Good Morning Radicals!

PegoMan — August 22, 2011 at 6:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cheers from Battle Ground!

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Top of the mornin' to everyone!

My observations:

Looks like last week's rollercoaster of discussion hit quite high numbers!!! Currently at 770!!! Me thinks we've got a great crowd who is not afraid to speak their mind and to exercise their freedom of expression (even when Matt has to do his job)....and some longtimers have rejoined to post as well as a refreshing addition...Genevieve!!! Let's all encourage her to continue...maybe even to include some of her friends.

Anybody notice how Lou's Press Talk hasn't changed since Alleycat noticed the minimal comment count had changed??? And after I mentioned the boo boo by Lou breaking the terms of potty words???

Milder temps coupled with high humidity...will remind me of Adelaide!!!

ON a sad note:

A tragedy on I-5 last night due to a suspected duii driver. Someone's little baby died as a result...Truly Tragic. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family as they endure the pain and suffering resulting from a poor decision of mixing drugs or alcohol with driving...and hope that the driver who hit the van gets the help they need as well.

Horseplay on HWY 14 east of Washougal doesn't mix well with convertibles. A man lost his life as a result.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 6:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Okay...I just read John Laird's column and it IS a good one this time. No shock though. He has a way to make people think...even disagree a lot of times, but this time??? Pretty darned good again, John!!!

Regarding the Roundies...the key phrase in your writes is "for motorists who are willing to learn and adjust." John...you're speaking of Clark County Drivers!!! Hmm... maybe Roundies aren't the best solution here, even though they work great in Aussie!

On the subject of the Supercommittee...you're asking a miracle for them to get the job done in one sitting! Guess prayers to Mother Earth, God, Yahweh or whoever everyone prays to better be put into high gear, huh!!!

And my favorite...your summary of voting the elected ones into office. That one just about brought my coffee to the monitor this morning after taking a sip while I read. I guess I'll never learn...

"Goldie - Note to self. Do NOT take a sip of coffee while reading John Laird's Column!"

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 6:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"Looks like last week's rollercoaster of discussion hit quite high numbers!!! Currently at 770!!!"

I wouldn't be surprised if 700 of those comments were made by the same half-dozen or so people. Neither would I be surprised if the FB side of this site actually draws more people to comment, they just post way fewer comments. I haven't counted and won't, but it seems possible.

mrd — August 22, 2011 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

And we get what we pay for as well, Allen...until folks wake up and get involved.

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mrd, no doubt there isn't as many people posting on the basement as they are on the FB side. That was the intent of the folks at the C. I believe the comments taken are utilized by local officials when trying to find a general consensus on certain issues. Too bad they're masked by the obvious truth that some of the comments on the FB side are from "outsiders" who won't have to pay the tolls or taxes of our community but will get their two-cents worth in for their buddies in high places in order to present a facade to better the interests of certain bureaucrats...or their own pocketbooks.

My statement reflected the freedom and the passion we have for sharing our opinions...and for the most part, I believe the people posting in the Basement have direct ties to Clark County whereas FB is more readily available for comments on the global side. Funny how a community news paper can expand to get comments from those on the other side of the nation...or world for that matter. ...

Well, I'm outta here. I'm going to meet up with a very dear friend today, something I've been looking forward to all weekend...so folks, you all have a great day and continue to exercise your rights to speak up - don't anybody discourage you!!!

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 7:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

...and that should say "don't let anybody discourage you!!!"

Ciao!!!

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

John Lairds' Democrat Blog was pretty good this week.

mangoboy — August 22, 2011 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mrd — August 22, 2011 at 6:54 a.m.

You may be right as to how many people post here but there is one really big difference. The subject matter developed here is of interest to those here and not pre decided by the editors.

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 7:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Interesting Photo on the cover of the Clark County Economic Plan Report. Kind of puts the bridge in a "good light."

mangoboy — August 22, 2011 at 7:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Elga Bartsch, an economist at Morgan Stanley, said the euro zone faced a real risk of recession because of a volatile mix of factors: slower global demand, tighter credit from banks, repeated austerity efforts, high commodity prices, an overvalued euro and higher interest rates from the European Central Bank.

I just don't get the whole idea of the Euro. Many of these countries in the "euro zone" have nothing in common. Imagine if Mexico and the U.S. shared a common currency. Thats about how much sense it makes. They really should revamp the entire concept and split up the euro into northern and southern currencies.

mangoboy — August 22, 2011 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Good Monday morning to all!

Anyone besides me notice how bad the mosquitoes are this year?
After preparing 15 lbs of green beans yesterday for blanching, I sat on the deck to do this, I even have bites on my ears! Good grief! No standing water anywhere but the birdbath and that gets changed daily. So beware folks, them hungry little critters are out there and looking for you as a food supply. ;)

Busy day today, meeting to go to then off to help a neighbor. You guys enjoy this nice cool morning, perfect for gardening, that is if the mosquitoes don't get you! LOL

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 8:18 a.m.

Haven't had that problem but then again, I have bats in the barn. Lots of them. They have kept my insect problem in check for several years now and work at night.

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

When enough isn't really enough,

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-plans-quadruple-size-calif-home-140700224.html

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 8:39 a.m.

And when not enough is the norm:

"the reader proceeded to create a chart that showed how incomes grew based not just on which party occupied the White House but also which party controlled the House of Representatives and the Senate.

This is that chart:

It will come as no surprise to readers here that, since 1947, income growth has been better under Democratic presidencies than under Republican presidencies. But looking at this chart reveals an interesting added dimension: While total Republican control of Congress and the presidency is very bad for the incomes of struggling Americans, the single worst thing for the incomes of struggling Americans is, plain and simple, Republican control of the House, regardless of who controls the Senate or occupies the White House."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/18/1008237/-Its-Time-for-Another-Look-at-This-Chart

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.

Is that what you consider a valid source?

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 9:58 a.m. " valid source?"

Let's start here:

1- Is it your contention that because it is DailyKos, the numbers are automatically suspect? In other words, an attempt at 'attack the messenger'.

Or

2 - That you've researched the numbers in the charts and have found them to be inaccurate? Then you'd need to show how you know that.

Or

3 - Hoping I couldn't cite the data source?

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dda4b/fact_checking_rachel_maddow_income_growth/

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 10:57 a.m

The very limited number of republican house sessions in the time frame included makes it impossible to draw a educated conclusion, let alone prove causation. In short it is no more than cherry picked data from a political blog. Using the same data, you could just as easily claim that growth in lower incomes is better with republican presidents.

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Super committee. How can they expect the same people who helped screw up the economy to fix it? I guess this is the mentality of politicians. Wouldn't it make more sense to put people on the committee who are actually "main street" Americans instead of people who really don't care about anybody except themselves? I'm sure their special interest buddies have already determined what decisions will be made. That is definitely true in regards to Murray. At any rate, I'm sure most productive Americans won't be happy with the results, but the deadbeats will really scream if they lose some of their freebies, courtesy of the taxpayers. If this happens, obama will lose a lot of voters, since these are the type people who had a big say in getting him elected in 2008.

cranky — August 22, 2011 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cranky — August 22, 2011 at 12:03 p.m.

What "freebies" would you be talking about?

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Good vid alley...I hope Dennis moves here and takes Herrera's seat.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cranky

I'd like to hear about those "freebies" too.

buckeye71 — August 22, 2011 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hi all, check out the new forum for discussion C-TRAN matters, brought to us by none other than our Goldenoldie.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/aug/22/c-tran-forum/

Libby Clark — August 22, 2011 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"Off Beat: Can’t drive 55? Then that may be the sheriff in your rear view mirror"

Aw geeze Lou.... Got that song stuck in your head or something? I know your eye for detail since you are an "Editor" and all but the speed limit on the freeway is 60 between Salmon Creek and the city and 70 after 179th. So the "can't drive 55" doesn't really fit, does it. Also, don't rag on Lucas for going out and stretching his legs, so to speak. I'm sure you go out and actually do some reporting from time to time. Or maybe you don't.

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 11:21 a.m. (

"Using the same data, you could just as easily claim that growth in lower incomes is better with republican presidents."

Data source is listed; why not try to, then?

By the way, you did notice that the weakest correlation between party and income was party of president and the strongest was house, right?

Sure, there is no 100% proof of causation; just a range of correlations depending on pres, sen, house.

But then, there are more positive correlations there than in the rw mantra of 'lower taxes means more revenue' or 'lower taxes means job growth'.

Just sayin'....

+=+= Sorta like the denier 'the data is suspect' and 'the data shows cooling'....

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen — August 22, 2011 at 11:25 a.m.

True, but empirical evidence is really, really nice.

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Awww!!! Libby, I'm blushing!

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"Off Beat: Can’t drive 55? Then that may be the sheriff in your rear view mirror"

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 1:04 p.m.

Oh dang it Hawkeye, now you've done it...now I have that dastardly song stuck in my head...that one is as bad as "I shot the sheriff"

Anywho.. Garry Lucas is doing his job. With cuts to the sheriff's office, as head of that dept he steps up to the plate. He's doing the job our tax dollars are paying him for. I'd much rather deal with the sheriff's office than the VPD any day. The few times I have had to contact the sheriff's office years ago before we were annexed into the city, they were courteous and bent over backwards to help. VPD, well what can I say, stiff necked, sour puss ogres IMO.

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 1:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 1:14 p.m

What is evident from the data is the two worst times, the president enjoyed majorities in both houses (Carter and Bush), Two of the three best times for lower income came after tax cuts (JFK/LBJ and Reagan). The overall best growth in lower incomes came with a republican president and democrats controlling both houses(Eisenhower). The only thing clear from the data provided is that nothing is clear.

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen — August 22, 2011 at 9:10 a.m

No can do my friend, those dryer sheet makes me sneeze and itch. Allergies are not fun!

If I get bit, cortizone cream is my friend...:]

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

It looks like Gadhafi is done. Mubarak is on trial....

We have countries overthrowing their dictator's in order to establish a fair government.

In America we have a fair government with dictators in the house trying to tear it down..

Those on the right continue to be a burden to our country and it's political process.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"""In the United States, a sheriff is a county official and is typically the top law enforcement officer of a county."""

(First sentence in a Wikipedia link about duties of a sheriff. I see nothing in the rest of the article that says he can't do the service of patrolling the roads as well.)

On degreedirectory.org, it lists the various duties which may be performed by the "Sheriff."

Duties of the Sheriff might include:

Investigating Complaints
Emergency Response
Patrolling
Resolving Disputes
Arresting Suspects
Criminal Investigation
Executing Warrants

And the list of clear explanations and definition continues...if only one would google the information.

Alleycat, I say Kudos to Sheriff Lucas who puts himself in the role of his sworn deputies. He's keeping in touch with his men and women.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 2:51 p.m.

Couldn't agree more Goldie. It's good to see someone "work the trenches" so to speak. You don't forget where you came from that way. Too bad more don't do it. IMO

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Well, I for one think way differently about what Sheriff Lucas job is....and the return on investment on that tax payer dollar...

alleycat — August 22, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.

Really? Seems like he made more money for the County in that hour then he would sitting at his desk. Think about it.

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

So according to you Lucas should be behind a desk, as a CPA, manager, supervisor and executive.. out of touch with whats going on, on the streets of Clark co. Gee I wonder what the City manager, Mayor, and the DA's jobs are then.

Oh alleycat, alleycat...THAT is the reason why you are NOT sheriff and Lucas is..

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Might I offer myself as the arbiter in this dispute? Sounds like some fat could be trimmed from the pork. I suppose that will happen when pigs fly. A helicopter would go a long way in detouring and capturing would be criminals.

Cut, cap and balance law enforcement. Merge the entities, across the board spending cuts of 40%. Reduce the "street walkers" with badges, get em' out of the value motel doin' hookers on our dime, hire civilian surveillance teams and task them with monitoring restaurants (i.e. Olive Garden) and snack shops (i.e. Crispy Creme) to ensure tax dollars well spent.

Use the savings to finance two helicopters, two pilots, and use the rest to finance further barbie-ques with hookers that "don't stink like most of em' do". Our local law enforcement should not be relegated to prostitutes that are of an odoriferous nature.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hmmm which party coddled the rich?? BOTH!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-21/wall-street-aristocracy-got-1-2-trillion-in-fed-s-secret-loans.html

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

..try a closer number of$40.00-$50.00 per hour plus bennies. I believe average wage of VPD officer ranges in $70,000 annual not to include OT & bennies, I assume about same for sheriff's dept.

How much does the Sheriff make? I've searched some but did not find.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alleycat,

You definitely wouldn't/don't qualify or you'd have the job.

In the words of --Forrest Gump "That's all I have to say about that"

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 4:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

City Council with Forum tonight.

I think it's important to see and hear the input from the public. Speakers don't have to be from Vancouver or WA. That allows for more input.

buckeye71 — August 22, 2011 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alleycat, I respect what you have to say and in a way I agree with you that duties performed by the sheriff should be higher than just traffic control, but...this is ONE small example of the multitude of duties the Sheriff of Clark County does. He has it in his blood to do ALL aspects of the job, no matter what...and that includes traffic duties. It just happens to be one the C had decided to bring to attention with the article. Would you rather he be sitting at a desk, taking phone calls? it is my opinion that I'd rather have our Sheriff out on the streets once in awhile. Public exposure lets it be known that the Sherrf ain't gonna let bad boyz be bad boyz! But then again...this is just my humble opinion, Alley!!!

Now...I've got a meeting to attend. I'll let everyone know on the C-Tran forum if there's really anything worthwhile to report.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

alleycat — August 22, 2011 at 4:09 p.m

You are really stressing the small stuff, cat. I'm sure the Sheriff doesn't do traffic stops ALL the time. It just so happens your buddy Lou got a shot of him in a random stop and decided to exploit it and get you all riled up. It worked, didn't it? He must be doing something right though, he got elected, again.

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 5:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

How 'bout that Jon Huntsman? He's getting some new-found attention by bashing his far right brothers and sisters. I am grateful for it and realize he has absolutely nothing to lose with this gamble. Maybe he has everything to win?

I'd love to hear from our Republican Forum friends on this. Truly, he got my attention. I will have to dig deeper to see if there is any truth and substance to his stance.

Way to go, Jon! Get the discussion going! It is about time!

manthou — August 22, 2011 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Also Cat, just for giggles, look at the caption on the photo. Specifically the date.

hawkeye — August 22, 2011 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 1:52 p.m.

Suffice to say, that such an 'interesting' interpretation rivals Jon A attempting to make denier claims......

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 6:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2011 at 6:39 p.m.

I took those "facts" from the link you provided, are you now claiming they are lies?

frobert — August 22, 2011 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 4:24 p.m.

Not absolutely sure but you might find it here..

http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=+Sheriff&l1=Vancouver%2C+WA

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

http://lbloom.net/ Heres a helpful site you can look up salaries of almost every government worker in Washington, might help you nailingit.

Genevieve — August 22, 2011 at 7:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

The great, fossilized and polarized institutions, the Democrats and Republicans days are numbered. The people are going to cut through the detritus and make their selections known and respected through the power of the internet revolution, here as in the Middle East...

Americans Elect 2012 americanselect.org

"What if there were a better way to choose a President? Beginning this summer, Americans Elect invites every registered voter to put the people’s choice on the ballot in 2012."

Americans Elect appears to be a centrist group. But the power of this idea, bypassing the conventional election process, will not be limited to only centrist thinking. True change cannot simply recycle old ideas and repackage them. And America is not ready for real change yet.

mangoboy — August 22, 2011 at 9:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey Genevieve,

The average compensation for a Federal Worker is over $100k including benefits. Can we visualize that being the TOP salary for ANY Federal employee, rather than an average? And while we are at it, raise the bar for those at the bottom who are barely getting by.

mangoboy — August 22, 2011 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Folks...meeting #1 finished at 8:07 on the BRT corridor open house. My comments are on the C-Tran forum.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2011 at 9:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI @ 7:10- Maybe it's me but can't come up with it.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 9:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve @ 7:21 Thanks. I had already looked at this site. It's really extensive to include individual salary's of what appears to be every State worker in WA. Can't find it in county...no big deal. I'm guessing around 115 K plus bennies, OT extra and way too much power for one individual.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

manthou- Huntsman seems like a horse of a different color to some degree. I was sorry to see his hand in the air as to not excepting 10-1 cuts, spending ratio in last weeks debate. He seems a bit reasonable, and for a politician, he seems a bit genuine. I could be totally wrong however. In mr_basil_seal's tradition of the plus system, I give Huntsman a big +1 for being a fan of Led Zeppelin!

Should be fun going forward! I believe he is featured next week on Meet The Press.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 10:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 9:56 p.m

All I did was type in Sheriff......Vancouver, Wa

I got..

Average Salary of Jobs Matching Your Search

Sheriff in Vancouver, WA $39,000 In USD as of Aug 23, 2011
Average Sheriff salaries for job postings in Vancouver, WA are 16% lower than average Sheriff salaries for job postings nationwide. Chart showing average pay across the US. and a chart showing different jobs and salaries. They are not paid by hr, they are paid by a set salary per year. Average Salary of Jobs with Related Titles

Government And Become Eligible in Vancouver, WA $56,000
Deputy Sheriff in Vancouver, WA $41,000
Detention Deputy in Vancouver, WA $32,000
Pharmacist Permanent in Vancouver, WA $87,000
Nursing Attendant in Vancouver, WA $21,000
Patrol Deputy in Vancouver, WA $39,000
Juvenile Justice Specialist in Vancouver, WA $40,000
Correctional Deputy in Vancouver, WA $75,000
Deputy in Vancouver, WA $55,000
Hrim Analyst in Vancouver, WA $45,000
Communication Technician in Vancouver, WA $29,000
Detention Officer in Vancouver, WA $29,000
Parole Administrator in Vancouver, WA $94,000
Identification Technician in Vancouver, WA $42,000
Criminalist in Vancouver, WA $52,000
In USD as of Aug 23, 2011

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit,

Now again, not absolutely sure that is correct, but it would seem so. Since I know someone who is a LEO in Alaska and they make about 30,000 more per year. But, everything in Alaska is more costly.

Oh my gosh it's raining like crazy here!!!

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I'm talking about the head honcho...am I not seeing something? Top dude is not making 39 K.

nailingit — August 22, 2011 at 10:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit if I were to guess, I'd guess with bennies maybe 60,000 a yr not over 75,000. I could be way off either way. Like I said, not absolutely sure. Plus you have to consider years of tenure also.

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LOL Allen....my poor little furry baby has bites all over her tummy. Her and I are sharing the cortizone cream tonight.

I have watch her tho, if she goes to lick the bites I have to snap my fingers to get her to stop. 3 things could just disappear and it would make me very happy.. 1. spiders...2. snakes...3. mosquitoes

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 11:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ok nailingit, just talked to my son and he said in his opinion, with the amount of years the sheriff has served, as a deputy then as sheriff, bennies etc he guesses around at least 95,000 +

That 39,000 could be starting salary for the office of, then add tenure, bennies etc.

ELISI — August 22, 2011 at 11:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alleycat-

Per 2010 records form the columbian news article Mr Lucas made 98K I have the article below for you to read, what was interesting is they turned down a proposed pay increase to him.

I understand where you are coming from, return on investment is how we play in the private sector but that is not how it's down in the public sector, especially for elected officials...With benefits his salary and bennies over 120K...

Commissioners to turn down salary, car allowance increases by Marissa Harshman, Stephanie Rice

stikoutking — August 22, 2011 at 11:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen, set off a bug bomb in there and close the door. Should take care of it for some time.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 6:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Try some chlorine bleach...about a cup mixed with water which fills just the bottom of the tub, then let it drain. Make sure your ventilation system is going, though. The smell is overwhelming. Also...you could try it with Pine Sol.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Boy...I'm still abuzz from last night's meeting at C-Tran's open house at Covington Middle School...standing for two hours in the high humidity and stuffy building (no AC and no open windows...phew! Felt like a sauna in there!!!)

Folks, I know we have a forum for C-Tran here on the C...but I can't stress enough how important these meetings are for each and every one of us in Clark County as well as for those coming from outside Clark County and must utilize the Fourth Plain Corridor. You've got to ask yourselves this..."Just where do I want my tax dollars going, are we paying too much already and how can we keep them from producing something I DON'T WANT when it comes to the service?" If you haven't given your two-cent's worth...then your wants and needs go unheeded and you'll get what you pay for no matter what you say. They WANT YOUR INVOLVEMENT!!! Please try to attend or at least...let your friends and family know and encourage someone you know to attend.

Here's the Next Meeting:

August 31, 2011 from 3-6:00 pm at the Jim Parsley Community Center, 2901 Falk Road.

On August 29, 2011, there will be an Information Display at the transit platform at Westfield's Vancouver Mall from 2:00 - 6:00 pm as well.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 6:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

DANG IT!!! Now I'm really upset! Jantzen Beach Barnes & Noble is closing because of the Target Expansion. That really sucks!

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 7:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Goldie, It makes me wonder if any of these moves are in preparation for "the new bridge". I wish they had never torn down the amusement park. Now that was a loss. Anyway, don't you have another B&N off Fourth Plain and Andreasen?

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 7:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

In the case of Target, they are expanding in order to have a fully functional grocery department. Barnes & Noble is not moving and will close this weekend. And yes, we have another B&N store at Fourth Plain and Van Plaza Drive...my store of choice, but sometimes when we are in the area at Jantzen Beach, we like to stop in at the one closing.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I think the C should reinstate BobL's posting privileges. We need a strong local voice for those expounding on Bachmann - Perry - Cain - Paul - Dobson - Hovind talking points.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil...do you know what you're asking??? I hope you're being sarcastic.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

No, actually. Having his blow-hard commentary helps show the thinking of that crowd. And Lew needs company.

If the C were to make it clear if whatever he said last time gets repeated it will stay up as an example, I'd be pretty willing to bet:

1- Bob would toe the line

or

2- he'd get a knock on the door from a person in blue.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.

I'm not sure Bob will ever "tow the line". I really don't think he knows where the line is or understands that there is one.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 9 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

In that case,

3- becomes rather obvious there are other issues to deal with.

The advantage of having BobL onboard to 'tow' the line (as in pulling the rw / cc line) would be to have that minority voice that that minority always claim is being stifled.

You know, like Jon A's 'climate change is to control the people' and Ray M's 'the communists are taking over'.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

One other issue is that the C has ' cut off 'at least one other FB poster who used to post on the site. One who didn't push the edges with threats or bad language. Why he got ousted from posting on FB never came up.

And that just smacks too much of censorship. Just as Low being allowed to use what we aren't and is a common way of discourse that keeps the meaning intact.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 9:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I don't know who you mean, the only one I was aware of was BobL. on that side of the world. I think he was dumped because of his rant against on of the writers (Stephanie, I think) and he may have gone too far. He does have a way of getting under the skin.

I understand your wish for someone to "mix it up a little" just to get something going but I don't think Bob is the one.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 10:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Not so much a 'mix it up', but more a 'wind out of the sail'.

And if BobL's transgression was because of something written specifically toward a staff member there would be many other ways to address the problem beside banning a citizen's speech.

And, yes, the C is a private site and can make its own rules. Just as they can claim that substitution of punctuation isn't appropriate while national papers both not only don't substitute but let the word go to print or do substitute.

But, seeing as how I / we may not have seen BobL's post and don't know the content:

1- if it threatened violence, there are plenty of choices to pursue.

2- if it were an outright lie, there are plenty of ways to show it out.

3- if it were yet another personal attack, pointing that out lets everyone see what the level of thinking is. And plenty of others are left on the FB side.

4- if the concern was that it might offend other readers, then leaving a link to BobL's FB page and a short explanation covers that.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil, a link to his FB page is fine but what about those who are not linked with him or have no FB account? Then we cannot read his rants (and they are such rants that I almost enjoy reading them for sheer entertainment)

luvithere — August 23, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I would think with today's problems facing us we would want to elevate the quality of discussion, rather than debase it.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

luvithere — August 23, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.

His pages are public, no need to be a 'member'. FB does require you to be signed in though.

The main point is that a simple deletion of his (or really, anyone's) posting without explanation is more negative to the C than a help in fostering an atmosphere of discussion. An example is how Matt's reminder has settled down alleycat's over the top rhetoric (which really isn't much different than Ray's old postings).

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.

The only reason to ban opposing viewpoints is if your's is to weak to defend.

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Earthquake in DC!

frobro- soooo....If I wanted to ban domestic abuse and chose not to listen to the 'upside' from an abuser, the argument for hitting people has validity?

fro- It's not about the right to say something...it's about choice.....purpose, you know, why choose the clown given choices? Just asking. I could draw several analogies but I think you get the point.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 10:44 a.m.

'At first they went after the.... and I didn't say anything...'

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert @ 10:51 am

Hmmm...no frobert, that's not so. When the opposing viewpoints hit upon actions of prejudice or malicious intent including threats of bodily harm or otherwise, that's the time where "suggest removal" should definitely be clicked.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:02 a.m.

Or, if a leading anti-gay marriage trope is the attempt at calling homosexuality a lifestyle or the false equivalency of comparing it to marrying your sister....

And, as I pointed out at the beginning, there is a certain advantage to getting the 'clown given choices' posted.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.

Suggesting removal for an inappropriate post is one thing, banning someone because you don't like their opinion is quite another.

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey nailingit, I saw that about the earthquake. A 5.9 at about 6/10ths of a mile under the surface...poorly constrained. There was also a 5.3 about 2 1/2 miles under the surface in Colorado as well.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal- I agree that the 'C' should explain themselves when they ban someone. I'm not one to think anyone should be banned (criminal intent aside). Just speaking to personal choice.

@ 11:03...it's early! What are you referring to?

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Breaking News!!!

Three out of four people make up 75% of the world's population! (s)

keep smiling!!!!

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nail-now how do you know he was busted for domestic abuse?

Basil-thanks for the FB tip. learn something new every day....but it does not show his rants. And I so want to read them

luvithere — August 23, 2011 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.

" actions of prejudice... "suggest removal" should definitely be clicked"

That would eliminate about half the viewpoints every time a letter about gay rights is posted.

"threats of bodily harm or otherwise, that's the time where "suggest removal" should definitely be clicked."

Yeah, because we can't have Buckley threaten Vidal and Chomsky.....

There are venues to use when that happens in public; virtual or real life.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/crank-who-targeted-science-writers-lured-into-threatening-police.ars

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I understand that bobbo is a great vessel in which to make a point. It's the DV thing. And from the clown's ranting I'm sure he get's quite excited when he's mentioned here. That alone gives me pause!:))

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

manthou gave a link awhile back luvithere. The incident was in the 90's I believe.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

thanks Nailingit. Interesting alright, must be the faithful in him.

luvithere — August 23, 2011 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie @ 11:12...America's fracking apart! This could be the beginning guys!

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Well Basil...just because someone might suggest it...doesn't mean the perp will be eliminated. Heck, I flagged Lou's comments on two of his press talk articles (not in the comment sections, either)...and they're still on the C.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

...and in Lou's case, one of them was threat telling him to..well...you know what!!! lolol.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

The main point is that a simple deletion of his (or really, anyone's) posting without explanation is more negative to the C than a help in fostering an atmosphere of discussion. mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 10:53 a.m

Oh just like what I posted on last weeks forum Basil, that you made a stink about and had it removed? Wasn't MY comment by the way, it was a comment made by a REPORTER and it even named said reporter. I was simply sharing the comment that I thought was hilarious. I never received a warning, no email explaining why..just removed. I did find what happened all more telling how some people work. Squawking like buzzards about what they want, shoving their opinion in everyone's faces, yet, they don't want differing opinions stated. Calling them false, demanding of sources to back them up. Opinions are like my color blindness for the colors blue and purple. What appears purple to me, is blue to someone else. Who's right, who's wrong..

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Good morning to you Golden!

Getting ready to start blanching carrots here. Read your posts on the C-tran. Good going! Keep the fire to their backsides Golden!

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:16 a.m

You are such a math wiz. See, I knew you were smart.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal...I get your post at 11:03...it's just that FB provides many in which to make a case or refute a claim.

BTW..I enjoy your banter with Lew. I have concerns for Lew's health though. You can sure jack that boy's blood pressure up! Keep on rockin' mr_basil_seal!

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Good mornin' to you too, ELISI! I'll do my best.

Just curious...would'nt it be nice if there were an automatic carrot peeler so your hands wouldn't pay the price???

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

luvithere — August 23, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.

Wall will get to comments that are public (and those that get deleted from the C) He links to his Notes pages from there.

I don't know if FB has the Notes set up to be less public or what. My FB site has notes from friends show up with no notification.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.

Actually, mine got deleted first.

And I pointed out to Matt that he was being inconsistent.

And that was to show how anserine the policy was.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen, The article you posted is obviously biased, and makes Liberals appear to be a bunch of raving narcissists. I hope you were trying to be funny. Intelligence and party affiliation have nothing to do with each other, if anything NOT being a member of a party shows intelligence because you are actually thinking for yourself and forming your own opinions instead of just spewing out the views of others. Liberals believing that their opponents are all stupid and inferior is dangerous and will be their downfall.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

5.9 magnitude earthquake rocks East Coast

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.

I once saw some gloves advertised that you could put on and rub on the carrots and it cleaned them. Seems like that would work.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 11:35 a.m

The son is peeling them for me, I'll do the chopping, blanching, icing, bagging.

Now his hand are orange! LOL

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:41 a.m.

Mineral, Virginia. About 83 miles south of D.C.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Two nuke facilities closed near quake.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Wonder if the quake will shake the critters up in DC and they see it as a sign get to work..LOL :]

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Now I must get back to the carrots...water is boiling..

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.

Calling them false, demanding of sources to back them up.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Attributed - D. Moynihan

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 11:49 a.m.

The ONLY sign that will effect those boneheads will have to be about 100 feet tall and falling on them as they walk out of the building.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI,hawk...ain't nobody home..they are all on vacation! Chris Coons from Delaware was working...might have been about the only one. I hope Coons takes a Senate seat next year. He seems to have a great work ethic and is fairly centrist. He's the one that ran against and defeated Christine O'Donnell in 2010.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 11:34 a.m

That's right Hawkeye! I'm edjuma..eddjica..eddjerma... I gots myself schooleded!!!

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey!!! Anybody know a secret to remove carrot stains from your hands? Sounds like ELISI's son could use some good advice!!!

I'll betcha I could identify him in a crowd, lol.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit at 12:39 pm...

Do you truly believe that even when in office, they are STILL all there??? Seems to me even during sessions, a lot of them are out to lunch even while sitting in their seats!

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ahhhh all done with the carrots. 20 pints vac packed and in the freezer. Next..corn on the cob. THAT I'm not looking forward too. So will do in 2 or 3 batches next month.

Golden, we have found the best for carrots stains, pure lemon juice and baking soda. Works great. Even on fish or onion hands too. :]

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 12:59 p.m.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! good one Golden!

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey, we need an earthquake hit New York every day. The market is up over 300 today.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.

Wrong again Basil, I am entitled to my own fact that I am color blind in the colors mentioned. To what degree, can not be proven, just that I am. Only I can say to what degree on the shades. Plus there is a difference between Fact and opinion. I have my own opinion of you, may be fact, may be totally off the mark. But I am entitled to it either way. Do I have to prove it? Not a snowball chance my friend..

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LOL Hawkeye, no kidding huh? Maybe the after shocks will scare it up more...

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

It must have shook lose whatever it was that was making the computer stick in the "down" mode.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

What causes the stock market to rise and fall...really? It's the fears and hopes of those wealthy enough to have enough money in the market to actually make a difference when they buy and sell. If they wake up afraid of their own shadow one morning, they sell. If they wake up with a nice cuddly blond, they buy. It's the hopes and fears of the wealthy class that cause them to chase their own shadows around the dark rooms of their heads and, thus, drive their personal stock market up and down. In other words stock investors chase their own tails. The rest of us small investors are at the mercy of the hopes and fears of the wealthy. Add to that the fact that the average Wall Street investor has the psychology of a gambler and risk taker rather than the psychology of sane and stable humans, it's easy to see why the Stock Market ought to be discontinued as a way for making money off the sweat and labor of those who actually get their hands dirty doing what they do. Of what necessity is the Stock Market to the daily doings of business, eh, of the borrowing and investing that builds businesses and creates jobs? Without the stock market, those men and women might actually have to do a days' work rather than sitting back and paying some stock broker to earn some dividends for them. What the working class needs is a solid healthy savings plan that offers large interest rates compounded monthly.

aintnogod — August 23, 2011 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 1:24 p.m.

I am entitled to my own fact

You do realize the D. Moynihan is talking about people who make facts up, right? As in lying. Purposefully.

Though it also applies to those who just repeat lies out of intellectual malfeasance.

that I am color blind in the colors mentioned. To what degree, can not be proven, just that I am. Only I can say to what degree on the shades.

If you are medically /physically colorblind, it is measurable. But there is also the syndrome on just not wanting to be aware or caring to be sensitive to variations.

Plus there is a difference between Fact and opinion.

Yup. And there is a significant difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed one.

I have my own opinion of you, may be fact, may be totally off the mark. But I am entitled to it either way.

True enough, but you are using an illogical position based on a misreading of the Moynihan quote.

Do I have to prove it? Not a snowball chance my friend..

Actually, if you are trying to sway others' thinking through expressing your opinion, anyone has a right to call you on it.

And if you can't give a logical basis, then that pretty much sums up the case, wouldn't it?

Which is one reason the Lews, BobLs,froberts, et al go ballistic when asked to support their claims, their assertions, their opinions

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

By the way, some of you may not have noticed, but there's a forum expressly for carrot peelers and those busy about their household tasks.

aintnogod — August 23, 2011 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Anyone read the FB comments re: east coast earthquake, very high schoolish and the reporters right along with them. SIGH

Oh and by the way, anyone heard if JHB has scheduled a hometown meeting? Just wondering?

itiswritten

itiswritten — August 23, 2011 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil- Fact is not absolute, fact is not stead fast, it is always evolving and changing based on new information. At one time in our history the earth was flat, and that was fact because it was all anybody knew. One person can know that something is true and to another person it is just not. You need to get over your obsession with "fact". I hate to break it to you but you are not some all knowing god, you do not know everything. People can voice their thoughts, their opinions, and their realities. Argue about their opinion, explain why your's differs, don't attack their right to have an opinion and to think.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

By the way, those pursuing the color blind discussion. All reality is a process in the individual brain. A person's personality, his/her feelings, everything that a person does and feels and is, is the result of electrochemical synaptic patterns in the brain. Reality doesn't exist "out there" so much as it exists "in here". That old saying that arose back in the 60s is true: "Wherever you go, there you are." These synaptic patterns are the result of individual genetic inheritance acted upon by the electrochemical processes that receive, perceive and store data in memory. This means that there are actual cases of people being blind whose eyes work perfectly. What's wrong for them is that their brains are not connected like the brains of those whose visual cortex works correctly. They are blind without being blind, in a sense.

aintnogod — August 23, 2011 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Also the quote you posted:

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Attributed" - D. Moynihan

That would be an opinion according to your own ramblings, not a fact.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

aintnogod — August 23, 2011 at 2:03 p.m

You can always use the "ignore user" button if one or two comments made by me or someone else isn't to your liking.

I have ask, when were you appointed the moderator of any of these forums?

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 1:59 p.m

Oh and Basil, since when did you acquire a medical degree and practice medicine?

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

itiswritten, there aren't any public town halls scheduled with Jaime Herrera Beutler right now. If one's scheduled, we'll get the word out.

Matt Wastradowski (Columbian Staff) — August 23, 2011 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.

Not sure why you'd assume "a medical degree" would be required to know about color blindness.

And I could think of several scenerios:

1-having been tested for it

2-professional work

3- family / care giving

4- read a book

So maybe a bit quick on the snark, eh?

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.

Fact is not absolute,

A fairly broad statement that would probably need some qualifiers before proceeding on that topic.

fact is not stead fast, it is always evolving and changing based on new information. At one time in our history [people thought] the earth was flat, and that was fact because it was all anybody knew.

And also a fact that happens to get misused quite often. How many years has it been known to be false?

But, yes. Ideas and thinking can change as knowledge changes. One reason why Climate Science moved to calling what was happening Climate Change back in the 70's. We could, I guess, do a Rumsfeld, and point out that you should make a diligent effort to get the best knowledge before making a decision / forming an opinion

One person can know that something is true and to another person it is just not.

Rather to broad to discuss that; But I think you might be conflating opinion based on incomplete facts or filtered through an opinion. You know, the ' to a hammer every problem looks like a nail.'

You need to get over your obsession with "fact". I hate to break it to you but you are not some all knowing god, you do not know everything.

Wow, I had no idea......

People can voice their thoughts, their opinions, and their realities. Argue about their opinion, explain why your's differs, don't attack their right to have an opinion and to think.

You can have your own opinion. Obviously. My point is when that is an ill-informed or uninformed opinion and it is being passed off as fact it should be called on.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Just an observation here...

The one with the mature attitude of the day in my opinion goes to Genevieve.

You GO girl!!!

And my opinion doesn't have to be substantiated with fact and anybody can call me out on it if they differ with my assumption, but the truth shall set us all free...and as I see it, what I just wrote is the truth.

..

Aintnogod...maybe that explains why some in the basement see red while making their comments. (s)

I do want to point out to you that this is an open forum that doesn't have a specific topic, but it would be nice if comments were made occasionally on the most read topics of last week, even though the majority of the most read articles are surrounded around accidents. The other two being a "suspected" drunk driver arrest witnessed by our very own editor who has made a cameo appearance on the Back Fence this week (yet to show here) and the release of the water from the dam at Northwestern Lake on the White Salmon River.

So in my observation aintnogod...let's just let the forum flow as it was intended to do. Don't be hatin' the carrots.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 2:26 p.m.

So, it is ok to lie? To make up 'facts'?

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 3:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 3:55 p.m

It is always okay to draw your own conclusions.

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Dear, Dear Basil...

We all know how you expect fact-based comments and that if someone wants to post a comment they wholeheartedly believe to be fact which can be debunked with fact, you will be the first one to note the problem....but sir, in all honesty... ...when you point out the discrepancy, it has a touch of self-righteous, authoritarian demeanor which can be quite a negative hit to the person who believed truly in their viewpoint and the facts presented to them at the time of their statement and would most likely be rebutted by anger and frustration.

Just my OPINION and OBSERVATION, Basil. I mean no hard feelings to you. I'm just realizing my own feelings from past discussions with you. And Basil, some people will say a statement just to pull in perspectives by others. Not all the time does it have to be proven with links and quotes and data...as my OPINION and OBSERVATION truly doesn't have to be proven.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 4:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Thanks Golden.

Basil, theres a difference between lying and different view points. Take the colorblind example. If I look at the sky and see green, and you look at the sky and see blue, the sky is still the same color. We just have different facts.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 4:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil at 3:55

If a person knowingly makes a quote to exhibit false information, then it's a lie. If they believe in what they are telling, it's the truth to them.

Diplomacy goes a long way.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Exactly Golden!

Basil, you remind me of the media specialist that was at the grade school my children went to years ago. Sad to say, the kids disliked him and even his wife took enough of his self righteous authoritarian attitude and divorce him.

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

So true Genevieve!

That is what I was trying to get across to Basil.. But, sad to say no matter what, he'll argue the point.

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Well ELISI, if he's not a media specialist, he's definitely put his mind to the grindstone with fact searching and the gaining of knowledge in his lifetime.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 4:08 p.m.

Take the colorblind example. If I look at the sky and see green, and you look at the sky and see blue, the sky is still the same color. We just have different facts.

No, the sky is the same color. One of us has some issue in how it is perceived.

And that goes a long way in explaining why

It is always okay to draw your own conclusions. frobert — August 23, 2011 at 4 p.m.

is fundamentally inaccurate.

If the colorblind person knows they are colorblind, then they know their perception is one that is inaccurate to a very large percentage of the human population.

If the colorblind person wants to argue that their perception is factually accurate, then they are working on an uninformed opinion at best. And at worst, aren't willing to verify the facts.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve- I assume you are 18 or close. Who would or will you cast your vote for President in 2012 if the field remains as it does today. Who would you have voted for in 2008?

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.

quite a negative hit to the person who believed truly in their viewpoint and the facts presented to them at the time of their statement

And, as I recall, you - with grace - admitted to your error. Which can't be said for a great many.

as my OPINION and OBSERVATION truly doesn't have to be proven.

And doesn't have to be accepted or respected; esp. if it isn't defended.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

...and what color do you perceive the sky to be, Basil??? Please answer truthfully.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil, you seem like an informed individual so you should know that the sky is not in fact blue it is simply reflecting the color of the oceans back at us. Any elementary student could tell you that. So both of us would be telling the truth and both of us would be wrong. I used this example on purpose because by you saying the color blind person is wrong and the sky is blue, according to your logic you just lied. Can't you see. There is always more then one answer and more then one truth.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 4:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:24 p.m.

You made me smile with your comment.

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Genevieve, you have the legal right to not have to answer nailingit's request at 4:23pm.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 4:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 4:14 p.m.

self righteous authoritarian attitude

Wow, from asking for proof that supports an opinion?

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit- If you didn't have to be 35 to serve as president I would vote for myself. As it stands now I am undecided.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Golden that may be true, but, this constant daily..prove, source..etc breaks down the flow.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, I may not agree with it. I won't sit here and demand for them to prove it. I would like to see people who disagree on issues to discuss them. Not grilled like a gestapo would do to prove..

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 4:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 4:32 p.m.

Many people on here ask for supporting evidence of facts, Basil, however asks for supporting evidence of opinions.

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Matt,

Thank you. No big surprise about no public appearnaces by JHB.
Maybe your political reporter will do an indepth interview as to why there are no town hall meetings planned with her constituents.

She does not answer emails and her staff continually states that they are "working on' time/place for a public meeting.

Now you are saying that she has no plans for a meeting. Where did you get your information?

itiswritten

itiswritten — August 23, 2011 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Now I need to go finish prepping dinner. ohh opps sorry aintnogod, that's right, there is another forum for that..

If the colorblind person knows they are colorblind, then they know their perception is one that is inaccurate to a very large percentage of the human population. mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:19 p.m.

Who's to say that the one who is termed color blind isn't, and is one who is seeing the true color and the large percentage of humans are the ones are not?

That is like reality, what is reality to one, may not be to others.

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

itiswritten — August 23, 2011 at 4:38 p.m

Esp. considering that Sen. Murray has already had meetings vis a vis her appointment on the Super Committee ...

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 4:37 p.m.

asks for supporting evidence of opinions.

There should be no problem with bringing the facts that one used to inform one's thinking.

And if those facts are shown to be inaccurate, then you can make a choice to hold an unsupportable opinion, or like goldenoldie said, change it.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie @ 4:26....:))) You're falling off that rocker again!?! :)))

Genevieve- You are certainly not one to lack confidence. I wanted to know if you felt America's political process of voting is worth your time. If you would choose not to vote because a party or candidate did not meet your individual standards or criteria.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 5:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit- I feel that as an American I have a responsibility to vote. How can I complain about or take pride in my country if I don't exercise my right to have a voice and make a change. I will always vote, I did so for the first time in a city council election two days after my 18th birthday and I plan to do so for every election between now and my death (not to sound melodramatic). That being said I will not cheapen myself or my country and vote for someone who I don't think has this country's best interest at heart. So when I vote in the presidential election if neither the Republican candidate or the Liberal candidate meets my standards, then I will vote third party.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:56 p.m.

Some of us view facts and draw our own conclusions, and then form our own opinions. No, I do not have a political blog or a half crazed extremist to quote, just my opinion. As far as I am concerned an opinion you get from someone else is useless.

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit, I have a recliner, not a rocker and I'm certainly not falling off of it. I'm sitting in my office chair as I write. (s)

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mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 4:56 p.m

I said that??? I know I agree with your comment that I'm not afraid to admit to error in my perception of fact when overwhelming presentation of facts as perceived by another clearly show my error.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

How did you feel about 2008? Who would you have voted for or did so? Feel free not to disclose, as goldenoldie/counsler/legal expert/master gardeneress/PITA expert has advised you! A little humor..or things can get muddled in the muck and mire of egocentrism..{:-))..at times the Dems haven't put much on the plate as well as the GOP.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 5:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal,

I swear, sometimes....check that.... most of the time, your needing evidence of proof for someones opinion really wears on my nerves so most of the time I don't really read you. Seems like you just can't let it be and accept one's opinion as theirs. I'm sure that if I could provide you with proof of why I feel that way, I probably could, oh wait, I can. Just read your posts. There you go.

I guess Alleycat decided to prowl away for a while, I think I upset him yesterday with all the talk about the Sheriff writing tickets. Oh well, he needed some time off anyway. He was getting way to stressed.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 5:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve, it is obvious that I needn't remind you to do your homework and study each and every aspect of every ballot, every vote you participate in to ensure to yourself later on to vote accordingly in order to avoid as much as frustration as possible...that you don't mentally kick yourself for voting the way you did...

...and I speak from experience, my dear.

Anyhow...from what I've been reading thus far in comments by you...you are a smart individual and have a good head on your shoulders.

So maybe you can inform this grannie at 53 years of age...do you honestly see anybody currently in government that truly has America's best interests at heart? I'm still searching. I think when the new politicians are first elected, they honestly do have America's best interests at heart...then reality hits.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 5:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit, stop...would ya? My cheeks are aching from smiling so much today!!!

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

:))

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alley, I hope you enjoyed your day away from the C today. It's nice to take a break once in awhile, isn't it!!!

Regarding your list of issues....

My friend, there's a plethora of issues but not enough room to mention all of them, although you make good of a short list. And it's not a million posts...

not yet at least.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2011 at 5:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 5:20 p.m.

Some of us view facts

Good to hear. Hopefully, next time you bring an opinion here you'll be able to bring the support that informed your thinking.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2011 at 6:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

-Nailingit

In 2008 I would have probably written someone in if I had been old enough to vote. None of the candidates, (third party included) where right for the position in my opinion.

-Golden

I'm still trying to figure that out. I like Ron Paul, he seems very honest but I disagree with him on a lot of social issues like gay marriage and abortion. I think we need real people to run for office. Our representatives are to far removed from the general population and from the real issues that plague the average American. I want a working class president who understands me. I don't want someone who's mommy and daddy paid for college and bought them their respect.

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

alleycat @ 5:35"...discussing what?"...free speech, 2012 elections, the color of the sky, goldenoldie smiles, earthquakes, C-tran, holding politicians accountable...just to name a few.

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mr. Basil never gets tired of arguing -

Fact or opinion?

roger — August 23, 2011 at 6:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger — August 23, 2011 at 6:40 p.m

Both :]

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger — August 23, 2011 at 6:40 p.m.

I depends on if you can prove causation or just correlation.

frobert — August 23, 2011 at 6:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SEATTLE - The Federal Highway Administration has approved plans to replace the State Route 99 viaduct through downtown Seattle with a tunnel. State transportation officials say the federal agency signed an agreement Tuesday to allow Washington state to begin final design and construction of the 1.7 mile bored tunnel to replace the two-level viaduct along Seattle's waterfront. The highway administration decision ends a 10-year environmental review of the $2 billion project.

1. How can they dig a 1.7 mile tunnel, buttress much of the structure due to overhead buildings, and build a road with 2 or 3 lanes each direction for half the price of our CRC project?

2. I thought the Pacific Northwest was overdue a megaquake? That's what the CRC supporters keep using as one of the reasons we MUST replace the current I5 bridge. So does it really make sense to put Hwy 99 underground?

These high dollar transportation projects are making less sense all the time.

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit!!! That's my cat Scooter!!! Get that nasty cigarette out of his mouth!!!

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Goldie at 11:01 in the C-Tran forum.

"...you could imagine the look on their faces when they discovered who I am in real life beyond Goldenoldie...I'll just say...the reaction was priceless!!!

OK, young lady - you blew your cover to a bunch of strangers? I'd say about 50 Hail Mary's are due!!!

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

From Greg Jayne's latest column, where he presents his latest arguments supporting the baseball stadium deal --

"As an aside, I would rather gouge my eyes out than support light rail, which is the biggest boondoggle ever foisted upon the public. Light rail: Never has so much been spent by so many to benefit so few...I can empathize with those who are dead set against light rail. But if light rail does reach its slimy tentacles across the Columbia River...."

HOLY COW!!! What will Mayor Tim and Rep Jim have to say about this? And how could Editor in Chief Lou have approved this, unless....

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger, I think it's a blunt. Your cat's got a monkey on it's back.

Come on Roger, tunnels are easy, just get a big enough boring machine and drop it in a hole and give it lots of concrete sections.

Bridges, on the other hand are much harder, you know, they are outside, crossing water, and everybody can see it.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 7:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

From Stephanie Rice's latest All Politics Is Local contribution, where she dimes Commissioner Stuart out for not paying his coffee fund bill --

"Commissioners were paying $6 a month to keep the coffee supplies stocked, but the dues went up in June to $10 due to price increases...sent Stuart a polite reminder that he's behind on payments. Stuart owes $31."

Now, even though I tried real hard, I just couldn't find a combination of 6's and 10's that totalled 31. I did get a 32; is it possible he gave a buck one time in hopes the fund manager would let him off the hook for the rest?

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye -

I think he went to P'town last week and bought a doctor's prescription for the green stuff. I'll have to ask him why he's hangin' with nailingit.

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Just kidding, Matt!!! Don't know if my last comment violates posting policy, but I would never disgrace The Columbian's basement by advocating an illegal activity.

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

From a news article covering a short "technical" session of the Senate held today...

"The session was necessary because Congress has not formally recessed, even though lawmakers are on a month long vacation."

For both the military and the civilian employees of the federal government this would be judged an unexcused absence (AWOL) subject to disciplinary action. Maybe we can hold this over Congress's head, giving a suspended sentence with implementation contingent on playing nice together and accomplishing something useful in the next couple of months?

roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Aintnogod, who is more important…the guy that digs the ditch, or the guy that invented the shovel? I’ve touched on this subject a couple of times before. Does President Obama, who sits around in his office and talks to someone or another, do any work, or is it the gardener who mows the lawn out front that makes things work?

When someone who starts a business or wants to expand an existing business needs capital, they can go to a bank for a loan. But for a larger amount of capital, and for a longer time frame, they’re going to go to venture capitalists or the stock markets to raise cash. Which is used to construct buildings, expand production and among other things employ people. Simplistic way to state things perhaps, but to the point. Ultimately, the value of stock shares in a business will rest with the value of the company. Speculation is a part of free enterprise. I take it as self evident, that free enterprise is but one manifestation of personal liberty. It is not my place, or yours, not in a free country anyway, for government bodies, boards, panels or commissions of people to collectively and bureaucratically decide someone’s value to free enterprise. I take it that you see things much differently. I share your apparent contempt for some of those high rollers, but, in my case, only for the manipulators and deceivers. E.G. those hedge funds which may have used ‘naked shorts’ to drive a business to ruin. There is no place in Capitalism for force or deception, and I have no problem with government addressing such issues.

I remember when you first began you series of lamentations on the unfairness of it all. Perhaps a year and a half ago. Among other things, ANG, you were incredulous that you had previously been referred to as Socialist, Communist, bleeding heart. Think there might be a reason for that? While I respect thinking and thought, denial of the obvious is counter productive.

The first two rules of KNDalai’s three rules to understanding the Left:

• Socialists have been passing themselves off a Liberals for decades.
• Their agenda is anger driven envy politics, based on the unfairness of it all.

kn_dalai — August 23, 2011 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Not to be blunt!! LOL A little cat nip never hurt anyone!

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 8:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Everything in moderation, my brother.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 8:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawk @ 8:58...:)) Time to moderate!

nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen,

You make me laugh. You remind me of a mellowed out gunnery Sgt. ;]

ELISI — August 23, 2011 at 9:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Matt:

"Folks, just FYI... we can't have speculation and the like. Our community guidelines are clear: "Don’t post rumors. Along those lines, steer clear of posting allegations, unfounded accusations, innuendo and other information known to be false or unsubstantiated."

So that means we can't talk about the stock market, congress or politics. Huh, that sucks.

hawkeye — August 23, 2011 at 10:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Marissa Harshman, your article on Mr. John Russell...Top notch, heart warming...well written and well executed article. I thank you for sharing your talents!!!

Ailing man's wish to fish fulfilled by Marissa Harshman

goldenoldie — August 24, 2011 at 6:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

The Latest "Anyone But Bush Update"! For all of you liberals who voted for Mr Immelt's co-conspirator.

I even took the quote from your favorite newspaper, that is, other than the C. Sure hope none of you have loved ones working for Boeing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/business/global/18plane.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

If you're really interested in the truth (not likely) here's another one: http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/18/is-ge-arming-china-to-compete-with-america/

PegoMan — August 24, 2011 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pego, sorry I can't handle the truth--today.

Today is "Founding of the National Park Service" Day. Informal Survey: when was the last time everyone visited a National Park, and how was your experience?

mangoboy — August 24, 2011 at 6:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 6:22 p.m

I hear ya...and concur!

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nailingit — August 23, 2011 at 6:36 p.m.

Your wit continues to entertain...and yes, put that smile on my face.

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roger — August 23, 2011 at 7:15 p.m.

FIFTY Hail Mary's??? uh boy... Guess I'd better get started, huh!!!

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Allen — August 23, 2011 at 9:14 p.m.

Allen, have you read Lou's Press Talk in recent weeks??? or even some of the articles??? (not the comments themselves...the articles)

How many "corrections" have we seen in recent weeks????? (Okay, I'm going question mark crazy this morning. My pinky finger is extra expressive today!)

goldenoldie — August 24, 2011 at 6:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Wow! Now it comes out that 80% of the general public is smarter and more perceptive than you liberals!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/only_20_think_government_anti_poverty_programs_really_work

PegoMan — August 24, 2011 at 6:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Don't worry about insulting me. We just decided to go out and climb Beacon Rock before it gets hot! I won't be here reading them... will be hiking and taking some pictures with my beautiful bride! Much more fun than reading all you curmudgeons!

PegoMan — August 24, 2011 at 6:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PegoMan — August 24, 2011 at 6:47 a.m.

Of course, most of that is from the framing of the question, and a rather steady drumbeat of campaign rhetoric.

Rather than the basic reading, learning, and thinking .....

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2011 at 7:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Wouldn't it be great if a teacher in Clark Co would ask Kenneth Davis to do a presentation on Skype with a class?

DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ELECTING THE U.S. PRESIDENT? A Classroom Skype Invitation

http://www.dontknowmuch.com/2011/08/don%E2%80%99t-know-much-about%C2%AE-electing-the-u-s-president/

buckeye71 — August 24, 2011 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal ---

I know, I know truth and facts and integrity and honesty are so over-rated these days. However, this is worth the time to read unless of course you think we've only been here for 6,000 years. [Don’t even get me started on false equivalence.]

http://www.alternet.org/story/152131/8_ways_conservatives_abuse_history_..._and_the_truth/

Remember AZ Sen Kyl last April when he announced abortion is “well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does”? In reality, just three percent of its work is related to abortion. [excerpted from article below]

When he was confronted, he said, "his remark was not intended to be a factual statement"---.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/08/157415/kyl-walks-back-claim-about-planned-parenthoo/ For those who need another source, go for it. kyl planned parenthood About 2,780,000 results

I was reminded of that when we were just getting comfortable here in the basement. I replied to someone with facts. I think it was one of those obvious chain emails. The reply to me [us] was to the effect --- Oh, I don't know if it was true or not. I just thought it was interesting. I swatted another chain email or right wing talking point inspired drivel. The person accepted my source because it was from the Murdoch Wall Street Journal. Have you noticed no one is submitting those easy lies any longer? However, I do have a few Ignore User types so I wouldn’t know. I’m too old & don’t have time to participate in idiocy when the other side isn’t acting in good faith.

[BTW, the reason I refer to these missives as chain emails is because I used to receive them from elderly 2nd cousins that I've never met. Now people use their FB pages for these prepared lies with doctored photos that are often tied into religion. I wrote to one old guy in Paisley, OR who was displaying a photo on FB of the President and First Lady using left hand over right chest during the Pledge of Allegiance. I sent proof it was doctored. He kept it on FB. His photo displayed all sorts of ribbons on his uniform. That makes it more offensive to me that he is blatantly telling lies.]

info on my

buckeye71 — August 24, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

So sorry --- last three words should be deleted.

The link works but I didn't make the type larger. I thought I figured that out in the past. I know you can't use a series of periods. Maybe the parentheses triggered it. Ugly.

buckeye71 — August 24, 2011 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Did anybody read the business section today.If you did what did you think of Jim Moellers answer to Tim Howell questions.The drift I got was that is all our fault for voteing in I-747 to restrict tax's.It is also the citys fault for not bringing back the B&O tax.The B&O was not brought back because instead the city charges all of us in business a 50.00 head tax for each employee we have.I think it might be time for Mr. Moeller to join Pat Campbell.

terick — August 24, 2011 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terick,

Agreed. Rep Moeller is part of the crowd in Oly that has gone to the court to try to overturn the restrictions voters have placed on their ability to raise money to spend. Rather than get the idea we don't want them to spend, they consider us - the majority of the VOTING citizens in this state - as deluded people under the influence of Eyman.

roger — August 24, 2011 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71 — August 24, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.

Thanks for the excellent examples of why using good sources to inform your thinking is so important.

And notice how yesterday's thread ended with several people basically saying they were quite happy to have an opinion without having to have the responsibility to own up to the thinking behind it.

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2011 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Roger do any of these elected ones realize that the bulk of us in business are small operations that are having the same problem with this economy in our busniess and personal lives.I know of several people in business that have quit paying their selfs,just to keep their employes working.I really don't think it matters which side of the fence they are both the D and the Rs have spent us into this mess along with their big banking buddies.

terick — August 24, 2011 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71: I have seen those email posts-as-truth, too. We are seeing an increase in public figures lying outright, like Kyl did, to stir up the sheep who comprise the base.

Some voters cannot do the research necessary to be fully informed, so they lap up those sound bites. If you can get people to believe a lie, you have them in your hip pocket.

I do take heart, in a way, that members of Congress are not holding town halls during this recess. I think they should and wish they would. But I believe they are not because they cannot take the heat the voters are throwing at them. This tells me that more and more voters are doing their homework and asking hard questions of them.

It just ain't so easy anymore for them to lie and get away with it. I hope.

manthou — August 24, 2011 at 4:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71 — August 24, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.

Lies in politics are not exclusive to republicans, democrats in fact have perpetuated some of the greatest frauds on the public in the history of politics. I often see in print that the republicans and democrats have switched positions since the civil war, when in fact the republican platform has remained mostly unchanged. I recently read an article concerning the Koch brothers anti-gay stand, when in fact they supported gay marriage before that stand was popular. I even recently read an article in a progressive newsletter, stating that republicans opposed the civil rights acts in the 50's and 60's, again an outright lie.

I do not mean to convey that it is only the democrats that put forth false propaganda, but to blindly follow the lies of one and condemn the lies of the other is hypocritical.

frobert — August 24, 2011 at 5:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I hope it's not so easy also manthou. Our representatives need to have town halls. It should be a requirement of holding office. We've got a little over a year to get these guys out from under their rocks and out of their FOXholes.

nailingit — August 24, 2011 at 6:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71 — August 24, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.

And notice that those taking umbrage with your example aren't sourcing anything that supports their examples.....

The Kochs supporting gay marriage is an example; How do they? What organizations? What candidates? How much? What have they written? What efforts have they done in their businesses to lend support?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2011 at 6:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2011 at 6:54 p.m.

Here is one example of a Koch funded paper on gay marriage.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11112

Your New Yorker article nothing more than political commentary, full of half truths and inconsistencies, and as such should be ignored.

frobert — August 24, 2011 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil, you seem like an informed individual so you should know that the sky is not in fact blue it is simply reflecting the color of the oceans back at us. Any elementary student could tell you that. -- Genevieve — August 23, 2011 at 4:26 p.m.

You are quite wrong about that. The color of the sky is due to the way light from the sun enters the Earth’s atmosphere. It has nothing to do with the oceans. If this is what you have learned in the public education system, then I suggest that you are a poster child for the inadequacies of public education. I will also acknowledge that we all make simple mistakes. As such, it is presumptuous to read too much into your simple error.

You have entered into a forum whereby, your thoughts which you think to be quite reasonable and cogent, are quite the opposite to others.

Also, the color of something is defined by it’s wavelength. In this case it IS definable by its physically measurable attributes.

kn_dalai — August 24, 2011 at 8:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 24, 2011 at 8:29 p.m

Walk us through how you know that is a "Koch funded paper on gay marriage".

Esp. since it is a reprint from a newspaper....

And you might ask the author why he contradicts himself about three paras apart. Twice, at least. Not to mention it isn't so much pro-gay but rather pro-privatize.

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2011 at 9:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2011 at 9:12 p.m.

The author of the article is chairman of the Cato institute, Which gets major funding if not the majority of it's funding from it's founders the Koch brothers.

You claim to champion fact, and then perpetuate lies when it supports your liberal agenda.

frobert — August 24, 2011 at 9:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kn_dalai — August 24, 2011 at 8:34 p.m.

"You are quite wrong about that. The color of the sky is due to the way light from the sun enters the Earth's atmosphere. It has nothing to do with the oceans. If this is what you have learned in the public education system, then I suggest that you are a poster child for the inadequacies of public education. I will also acknowledge that we all make simple mistakes. As such, it is presumptuous to read too much into your simple error."

I looked up what you said, and you're quite right I was taught wrong in elementary school, but the meaning of what I said still holds true, and this further illustrates the point that if someone believes what they say to be true they are not lying. The example really didn't matter that much. The point was that different people have different perceptions, and just because two people have a different viewpoint doesn't mean one of them is lying.

As for your suggestion that I am "a poster child for the inadequacies of public education" maybe I am, but maybe you are reading to much into a simple error. I'd hazard a guess though that my SAT scores will still get me into a better college next year then you or anyone else who is here in Vancouver, Washington posting on the Columbian message boards went to. No offense meant to anyone, and not to sound conceited but I know my flaws. I can be full of myself, impulsive, petty at times, and definitely argumentative, but one thing I am not is stupid.

Genevieve — August 24, 2011 at 10:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Just for the record, before someone accuses me of being a narcissist.I'm not saying I'm better then anyone else on here, or smarter, I'm sure most of the people on this forum are far wiser then I. Just that I am a far better student then the majority of public school graduates and that I am going places.

Genevieve — August 24, 2011 at 11:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve, I like reading your posts. It is quite apparent that you are intelligent, but there is something you don't have and you won't get in your highfalutin universities, and that is you aren't old enough to have gained much life experience. so please don't look down your nose at us who do have many years of life experience as well as very well educated. That only makes you sound like blowhard.

rincon1 — August 24, 2011 at 11:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

...and I thought the sky was blue because God was sad...

nailingit — August 25, 2011 at 12:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

C'mon baby take a chance with us

And meet me at the back of the, blue bus

Doin' a blue rock

On a blue bus

Doin' a blue rock...

C'mon yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end

Beautiful friend

This is the end...

~Jim Morrison~

nailingit — August 25, 2011 at 12:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

@Rincon, I know that. As I said in my last post, I'm sure the majority of the people on this forum are much wiser and more experienced then I. When I said that my SAT scores would get me into a better school then most I did not mean that I am necessarily more intelligent then all the people on this forum. I meant that I am a better student, and a better test taker. If you do not view failure as an option it is not an option, that combined with intelligence is what makes a good student, not necessarily 10 extra IQ points.

Genevieve — August 25, 2011 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Genevieve, be proud of your accomplishments and don't be afraid to show them...just continue in the direction you seek, girl. You've got a great start in life and you as well as other grads in your capacity of education hold a lot of promise for the future of our nation. Of course with age comes education by experience...already you show you are learning as you go along in life.

Rincon1 is correct in that the universities (and colleges, btw) do not teach everything you need to know to be a success. It is obvious your parents have done well in providing you the best educating experience they could ever provide...and it is my assumption that they are also teaching you well in the college of "Using your Noggin."

And yes, we're a tough crowd...but it appears to me you are holding your own, dealing with us basement ogres, lol.

I'm curious...and maybe you've already addressed this to everyone but I have to ask. Are you considering a future in politics??? You don't have to answer me if you wish not to...but I see a lot of potential in your writes, Gen.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 6:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

As I had posted on the C-Tran forum...Kudos to the Columbian for promoting and emphasizing my comments of the necessity for all of us to do our homework regarding the baseball stadium and yes, C-Tran's Fourth Plain Corridor improvement project as well as providing a link to upcoming C-Tran meetings. Get involved, people. Don't get stuck in the hype. Do your homework.

BTW, glad to see C-Tran has a meeting in Portland as well. Commuters living in Portland who come to Vancouver have to know what's going on in our neck of the woods across the Columbia from their homes as well although they will not be able to vote on the propositions, but their input is necessary.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 6:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I was taught wrong in elementary school, but the meaning of what I said still holds true,

What's odd about that statement is that the science books as early as 4th grade don't say what you claim.

And the subject is expanded upon in 8th grade. And a physics class in HS would ........

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2011 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I think the young lady has made it quite clear that her point isn't why the sky is blue or whether the moon is made of green cheese - rather, it's that if someone truly believes something, then it becomes their own truth.

Which is what religion, politics, economics, and even most theoretical mathematics and physics are based on.

It would be a very boring world if we all thought the same few thoughts.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2011 at 7:36 a.m.

Now you are being an ###, she made a mistake, she admitted it, now move on. You are not even the one that caught it, but you have to, in classic narcissistic form try to form an insult from it.

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Oh darn, I was hoping it was blue because of the reflection of the ocean. I've never been to the Caribbean but I've been told the ocean is really green there. I was wondering if the sky was green too. Sorry, just random thoughts.

Basil, why so critical?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

The Sun's spectrum changes slightly with the seasons.

During the summer months it's a bluish (5,800K or so) tint. During the winter it goes toward the red end a tad. The change has to with the amount of atmosphere the rays have to penetrate before reaching terra firma.

The Sun is overhead in the summer. It's toward the horizon during winter. In those months the rays pass through more atmosphere, thus a larger portion of the blue spectrum is stripped.

That, and polution, is why Sunrises and Sunsets are red.

This is also why indoor growers change the spectrum of the artificial lighting when going from the vegetative to the flowering stage of plants. The light interval is changed as well. The intent is to simulate the seasons.

Sure, anytime. Now to chores...

Drift — August 25, 2011 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hmmm...Looks like frobert's post was removed because he called Mr. Basil an ###. Or maybe it was acting like an ### - I don't remember exactly.

C'mon, Matt - this is getting ridiculous. Especially given that your co-workers routinely attack local officials on their Politic is Local forum. They might not actually use "bad names", but the implications are certainly there. Especially when Commissioner Mielke does something they don't like.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 9:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Actually Genevieve isn't far off in her description of why the sky is blue.

Light is sent by energy waves, and with all the particles that are in the air.. dirt, ash from volcanoes, water, gases etc they act as a prism. Blue being the shortest smaller energy wave that is what we see the most. As the sun sets, the light is closer to the atmosphere, and the energy waves goes through more particles that is why we have red, orange and even a yellowish sunset.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger — August 25, 2011 at 9:17 a.m

Very true roger. There were no consonants or vowels connected to those # marks. I suppose if I were to say !!!! I'm tired, this comment would be removed also????

It takes someone to "flag" the comment to get it removed... Draw your own conclusion to who did the flagging.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

It takes someone to "flag" the comment to get it removed... Draw your own conclusion to who did the flagging.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 9:31 a.m

Not so sure about that, ELISI. I think if Matt or whoever, if Matt is off to the beach, sees something they don't like, they can pull it just because. But really, that comment wasn't even bad. Why are you being such a (place comment here), Matt?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BTW, the "(place comment here)" part could be good or bad. Take your pick.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

It takes someone to "flag" the comment to get it removed... Draw your own conclusion to who did the flagging.

Well, we can guess all day long....

Mr. Basil, did you request the comment frobert made be removed? If true, why?

roger — August 25, 2011 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2011 at 7:36 a.m

Also Basil, to continue why I don't usually read you is because it's difficult to figure out what you are saying. When you quote others in your posts, you don't show it as a quote so it's hard to tell if you are commenting on yourself or someone else.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawkeye and roger, that is why I said to draw your own conclusion to who did the flagging.

No one knows if it was someone just reading the forum, posting or a staff member.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 9:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

THIS IS A TEST.

kn_dalai, you're an ###.

kn_dalai, you're a dumb ???.

kn_dalai, you're dumber than a dumb @!%.

OK. lets see what happens. (I'm guessing since everyone agrees with the above statements...they'll let it stay!)

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WOW!

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Is it flagging or flogging??? Maybe flagging is an online virtual flogging. All I know is I flagged Lou for his potty talk... I mean press talk...but the comment's are still there.

Whoever flogged fro, could you flog...I mean flag Lou's press talk. (What a tongue twister!!!)

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.

"but some animals are more equal than others" George Orwell

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey, all.

I overreacted. I shouldn't have removed the comments I did and brought them back. I'm sorry!

Matt

Matt Wastradowski (Columbian Staff) — August 25, 2011 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hmm Allen and kn_dalai you both made me laugh...

I wonder... If the word "dung beetle" is offensive.. I view some who posts as "dung" and some as "dung beetles" and some are succubus or could be incubus's...

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert...yep.

Did you see that? My comment was gone for a short time. Allen's too. Now the're both back. I think someone in the newsroom is having some fun today.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

It's all about mind control kn_dalai ;]

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Good on ya, Matt!

Drift — August 25, 2011 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 10:37 a.m

flagging or flogging....LOL

some need flagging and some flogging Golden, I have a list!! ;]

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

OK Matt, We forgive you, just don't let it happen again or you'll have to go out back and cut a switch from that big willow tree.

Now off to the beach with you, be good.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Oh Maaaaatt!!!

Why is it that we aren't supposed to use a trashy word that begin with the letter F yet our own esteemed Editor in charge gets to use it in his Press Talk Column? And for heaven's sake, why is it listed under "News" rather than "Opinion???"

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

OOooo OOooo Golden is going to get flagged then flogged for using the...looking around for Matt and his happy delete finger...letter F

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 10:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

And Matt, I'm referencing Lou's editorial and the comment which he assumes what Mayor Leavitt would say to him with Temple's advice. I'm sure you know what I mean. He used a certain asterisk after the capital letter F...and the word wouldn't mean "Fix."

I'm waiting for a public explanation and haven't seen it yet. Hey, I know...maybe Lou can make a cameo appearance and explain!!!

Oh Louuuuuuuuu!!!!

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

now ELISI...I didn't put an asterisk after the letter. I just mentioned the letter and would like an explanation which I think we ALL need.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

And ELISI...if I'm flogged with a wet noodle, maybe it'll be a fettucini noodle, lololol.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my I see each of our inner child is being very obnoxious creatures today!

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I don't flag anyone's comments. Mostly, because, it's a waste of my time. For anyone who has been on or read KATU television's forum, you know they use a thumbs up, thumbs down type of rating system. It's very juvenile and when a forum becomes a popularity contest, the forum is worthless. I, among others on there have intentionally tried to upset people just to see how many thumbs down I can get. I finally gave up trying for the record (whatever that is), because, after receiving tons of thumbs down, for some reason, I posted something that people agreed with and because of many unexpected thumbs up, I lost my chance at the record. I guess I need more practice. I'm not sure how flagging actually works, but if it only takes one flag to get a remark deleted, that's not right. Apparently, that's not how it works, or there wouldn't be any comments left on the forum.

cranky — August 25, 2011 at 11:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cranky, that was YOU??? Oh well cranky, you've got a thumbs up from me.

..

ELISI...I hope when Matt was offered the job to watch over the forum and FB comments, they informed him that we weren't going to be an easy crowd.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Oh who knows cranky, what is offensive to one maybe not be to others. I think we are all pretty much adults or soon to be here. I don't care to read a nasty word every other word either. It takes away from what the person is trying to get across to others. A slip here and there, no problem,as I see it.

My grandmother once told me, "if one has to cuss or name call to get their point across, it shows they are lacking in education"

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 6:16 a.m.

"I'm curious...and maybe you've already addressed this to everyone but I have to ask. Are you considering a future in politics??? You don't have to answer me if you wish not to...but I see a lot of potential in your writes, Gen."

Thank you Golden, I plan to attend law school and after that politics is one of my two choices, running an advocacy group being the second. My goal in life is to get children's constitutional rights recognized. If that leads me to politics, so be it.

Genevieve — August 25, 2011 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Well good for you, Genevieve. You're heart is in the right place and so is your path as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure that as an advocate, you'll be running into a lot of politics whether you want to or not.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 11:24 a.m.

Well I'll be a son of a "#@$!*%!!!" (that's monkey, Matt)

(s)

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I don't recall what I was researching... Something about a technical medical term? That, would undoubtedly be associated with my blog category on medicinal cannabis.

Anywho, I stumbled across "fornicate." Fornix is Latin for archway. In ancient Rome prostitutes hung out in archways. Fornicatio means, done in an archway. Fornicatio became synonymous with prostitution.

The etymology of the word currently in conversation is unknown and/or questionable.

In a high school creative writing class I recall a discussion about the word. It can be a verb, adverb, adjective, noun... It really is quite versatile. Yeah, in a high school class room. This was during the same time period that teachers kept wooden paddles in their desk drawers. Go figure.

The only time I find the word offensive is when it's used in a derogatory or hateful fashion. There are times when I find it quite... stimulating. Context is everything, eh?

By the way, being ex-navy there aint much in the way of cuss words that offend me. Heck, I've even invented a few.

Enough trivia for you today, folks. I've one heck of a mess on the back porch to clean-up. The posts and beam look marvelous though... simply marvelous in their stained and protected glory.

Drift — August 25, 2011 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Oh, I remember now!

It was about using THC and CBD to treat a cancer of the fornix (brain fornix)!

http://capndrift.wordpress.com/

Out of the basement and up (back) to the porch...

Drift — August 25, 2011 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

alleycat — August 25, 2011 at 1:49 p.m

I would have to agree with you, cat. I can't believe there are any openings for jobs anywhere in this country with so many out of work. It just doesn't make sense. There has to be qualified people walking in the door every day. If not, they aren't advertising the openings.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Drift (@ 11:55 and 12:39) and Allen (@1:32)...

I've got a BIG Cheshire grin right now after reading your posts.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alleycat and Hawkeye,

My son is 22 and has looked for a job here for over 2 yrs. He has looked for internship type jobs in areas where he has had classes on in welding, machinist, carpenter, electrical. He has tried for flipping burgers, prep cook to basket person at a local grocery store.

Nothing, as they give him an application, they also tell him they aren't hiring. So now he is looking at joining the military. He isn't the only one, many of his friends are in the same boat. No jobs to still stuck in the jobs they had in high school simply cause no one is hiring. One of his friends got his hrs cut in half and was told the shareholders aren't making enough money is why.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Just got this in email...

Jaime Herrera Beutler to Host Jobs Fair in September

Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler announced today that she will host a jobs fair from 1:00 � 6:00 pm on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 at the Red Lion Hotel at the Quay in Vancouver. The jobs fair is free and open to all residents of Southwest Washington who are looking for employment opportunities.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 2:44 p.m

OK !!!!! So that's how Jamie is going to fulfill her promises of jobs. ATTA girl, Jamie, GREAT JOB!!!!

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Well Folks, looks like Irene is packing a big punch for the folks on the east coast and they're expecting this to be one of the hardest to hit the East Coast in several years. With a niece and her family living in New Jersey, I hope they are planning an impromptu trip away from the storm's path.

(talk about a one-two punch for that region...first a moderate earthquake which has caused damage to monuments and older buildings; now a possible smack down by Irene.

-a great reminder as to who controls our lives-

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey Hawkeye...why don't you stop in and chat with the Rep??? Maybe you can get a better perspective of what her plans are.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawkeye, she is asking..well here will c/p the rest of the email....

�Job creation continues to be one of my top priorities,� said Rep. Herrera Beutler. �We need to get Southwest Washington working again, and this jobs fair will provide a venue for residents to connect with job-creators in our region,� she said.

Earlier this month Herrera Beutler held a Job Creator Forum at her District Office in Vancouver. The purpose of the forum was to get feedback from Southwest Washington business owners on the job market and get ideas on regulations, taxes, and other issues that can be affected at the federal level by Congress. At the forum, employers with job openings expressed some difficulty in finding qualified applicants. The goal of the September jobs fair will be to help connect area employers with potential new hires.

Employers interested in participating should contact Pam Peiper at Congresswoman Herrera Beutler�s office at (360) 695-6292.

�I ran for Congress so that I could help make job creation the number one priority of Congress,� Herrera Beutler said. �I am committed to working to remove barriers to job creation and helping foster an environment where people can find work in our communities.�

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

What gets me is how everyone kept saying to give Obama a chance...at least 2 yrs to get things started that he promised he wanted to do. He's in been office 2 1/2 +...are we any better off?

Herrera should be given the same. She has been in office what...7 months? Think things can just manifest over night? I guess so if you are of a certain party.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Golden, looks like Maryland got issued a Tornado warning on top of Irene. Looks like the entire east coast is under warning.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI, I guess I don't understand the "new way" of getting a job. " A job fair" seems a little weird. If you are an employer, and you have openings, you either put them in the paper or online or contact the state employment office with your requirements and people will literally beat down your door. Why is that so difficult?

As far as Jamie "creating" jobs. Her setting this thing up is like a radio disk jockey taking credit for the latest hit. There is no creativity there.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawkeye, just what type of creativity are you looking for? You rarely see jobs posted in the newspaper that haven't been there for several weeks as though the employer forgot they even put it there. Yes, there's been jobs fairs but how many of them have been with Representatives of the US Congress overseeing the operation? Seems to me that she's already got a way of attracting a crowd...so why not attract perspective employers whose companies could gain from the publicity that will definitely come with the Representative attending.

In my book, that's a pretty clever way of attracting business to Southwest Washington in order to drum up some jobs for the people AND for the local news entities to get all excited about an upcoming event, too!

Score +1 for Jaime!

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Golden, now that they are warning everyone on the East coast, they are going to shut down the refineries on that side of the country so up go the gas prices again. Doesn't affect us here but that won't matter.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mr. Basil,

Just got home and caught up on the remark deletion. Matt says he overreacted. My apology for thinking it may have been you who initiated it.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

The way I see it is she is trying to get employers matched with employees. She isn't creating jobs, in order for her to do that is be an employer. She is helping put the two together, possible even has asked employers to lessen up on requirements.

I know one job that was brought to my attention over a yr ago for a person to just answer phones and redirect those calls to others. It required a 2 yr degree. At the time and I still do, thought, 2 yr degree to answer phones? What the heck?? Even my 13 yr old grandson can answer a phone and direct it to the person it is for! I know cause we had him doing that in the office. Not hard to be courteous to those who call and push buttons on a phone, and sure doesn't take a 2 yr degree.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.

So what you are saying is that just because Jamie is going to be there, it will attract more employers AND prospective employees? So it's going to be "Sideshow Jamie" now? So do you think she's going to attract more republicans or democrats to get the jobs?

And just how is her setting this thing up going to attract more business to SW Washington? I don't get that one.

Sorry, -1 for Jamie, she said she was going to create jobs here, I still haven't seen it.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 3:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alley, I beg to differ with you on the Temp Agencies. Most are temp to hire and many people have received good positions in many places including government jobs with government retirement. Sounds like your experience must've hit a sour note, eh Alley??? I worked for two separate temp services in the past and both provided me permanent positions in companies I was quite happy with and so did my sister, my neighbor, two friends of mine and so on and so forth. The nice thing about Temp Agencies is the FACT that while you take on an assignment, YOU have the power to say...well, no...this position isn't working out...and you are still employed with the agency as they find another company to take you in on a temp to hire position.

So to say Temp Agencies are ripping you off. Eh!!! (buzzer sound) I am in disagreement with you.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawkeye, there even jobs that don't require a degree, they may require so many college credits. If a person doesn't have money to go to college to acquire those credits, again, no job.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawkeye...whether you believe it or not, she is an ELECTED Representative. You know...ONE IN WHICH THE PEOPLE VOTED INTO POSITION!!! Sideshow Jaime??? Hardly, Hawkeye...but the FACT is that by doing so, our elected official WILL attract the media with her efforts and it WILL attract potential employers for the people still struggling to find work.

As I said Hawkeye...why don't you attend the Jobs Fair and see about discussing the matter with our US Representative rather than continuing your obvious dislike for the ELECTED official. Be proactive for once rather than mumbling and grumbling.

Jaime's still at a +1 as far as I'm concerned.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

elisi, goldie, et al,

We can give Jamie kudos if she gets the employers who previously whined about no qualified applicants together and tells them "Look, suckers, I got the people here - now you hire some of them." Doing so will raise her popularity with people on the fence about her. Failing to obtain results, by the method I suggest or other, will cost her. (Unless the Dems are DUMB enough to run Mayor Tim against her, that is.)

roger — August 25, 2011 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Roger, a failure would be to not attend after making a point that she would attend. A failure would be a cancellation of the Jobs Fair. Just because she's trying to do her part to bring folks together in order to get the ball rolling, doesn't mean it's a failure. She'll be able to listen to the people who take the time out to let her know just how difficult it has been to try to find a job and what obstacles the people have had to endure. Now maybe I'm expecting more out of our ELECTED representative than what she's planning...but if I'm not, she's spot on!

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

In addition Roger, she could take the information she gained back with her to bring to the table in DC.

You know...whenever politicians make promises such as jobs growth, you all have to remember the list of issues they are working on in DC. Yes, jobs growth should be number one but unfortunately, they aren't. There's still our fighting brave in Iraq, Afghanistan and several other countries in the world. We have a pending natural disaster on our heels along the East Coast. Our borders aren't as secure as they should be and people are not getting the health care they should because of the expense. Fuel costs are too high and food prices are on the rise. Considering she has two years to get things accomplished, I think this is an excellent start for her attack on the jobs issue in SW Washington but it appears it's never enough for those who didn't vote for Mrs. Herrera-Beutler. What's the old saying..."You can please some of the people some of the time..."

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Goldie,

Just holding a jobs fair is a fairly passive effort. Jamie has said she'll get us jobs, and this is her first big chance to produce. She needs to be assertive with those employers and insist on results.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

...and the biggest headache hovering over DC right now is the Budget Deficit.

Am I wrong???

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Man, there's no jobs because the market for manufacturers is in the tank. That is, if there aint no outfit building it then why would they want someone to make nothing.

I think that sorta makes sense if you read it real fast. Maybe.

This is a bit of a sore subject for me. That Mean Ol' Woman I Been Shacked-Up With for all'a These Years* had worked at the same place for fifteen - and they sold to a larger outfit - whom promptly moved the plant to Mexico.

She searched hard for work. She's over fifty and somewhat specialized in her expertise (microscopic soldering). She searched HARD for a year-and-a-half. Finally! she copped a job through a temp agency. No, she's not soldering under a microscope.

The jobs aren't here. They're somewhere else. That, or the whole darned planet is out of work.

*TMOWIBSUWTY, around 25 now, she tells me.

Drift — August 25, 2011 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Roger, if a politician could pull a rabbit out of a magic hat...

Okay, I know...they can manage to make money out of thin air, but remember this. This is her first time as US Representative...and unfortunate for some people here on the forum, it won't be her last. There's not many options right now when companies don't want to spend. Passive effort? Maybe...but do you have any better ideas? She can't force the companies to hire just out of the blue. People have to have qualifications that match or come within earshot of the positions or the companies could face lasting complications.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Huh, that's funny Golden. You just listed a few things that Obama ran on and that the Republican't have been fighting him on. Kind of strange, huh?

I'll bet that if she shows up at all, it will be for a very short time so she won't have to put up with all the questions or she'll have someone there for a buffer. Regardless, I will not be there since I don't need a job and I wouldn't want to take a job away from someone that really needs one.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Matt,

Thanks for coming back earlier and relooking the frobert deletion.

Now, seeing as how you're into setting things right today, I've got another bone to pick with your co-worker Ms Stephanie Rice. Once again it appears she's spreading disinformation. In her latest Politics are Local entry, she chastises Comm Stuart for having a grungy coffee cup. That all depends. IF he uses cream and/or sugar she'd be correct. But if he drinks his coffee black, then a nicely developed coffee patina is highly appropriate. It would show he's a REAL coffee drinker, not someone who runs out and buys $6 drinks with nonfat milk, a splash of this and a sprinkle of that, and otherwise creates a caffeinated milk shake.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Well, well, JHB is putting on a job fair. I too do not understand this current tend of job fairs. If an employer has openings why not advertise, interview and hire. FACE to FACE.

I surely hope that Steve Jones from Entek will be there to personally interview for his firm, since he has stated, at the "invitation only" business luncheon with JHB, that he cannot find qualified workers, maybe some FACE to FACE with job seekers will help him find someone he can actually train. Also, Jon Johnston from Irrigation Speciaties will surely be there to seek workers to fill his openings. And let's not forget Mike Starks from Soha Sign who has said that the unemployed wait until a few weeks prior to losing benefits to look for work. Maybe Mike will show up and expose these slackers to prove his point!

Job Fairs in my opinion are for certain people to be "seen" while the media does coverage of the k-zillion people waiting in line for hours, how degrading for the job seekers.

As Hawkeye has stated, how does a job fair create jobs?

We await your answer JHB.

itiswritten

itiswritten — August 25, 2011 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LOL Drift...I's know what microscopic soldering is. ;]

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ahhh...so Hawkeye, you'd rather sit at the computer complaining about her. Well that's quite a proactive approach. So sir, what would you do to attract jobs for the people...and I am speaking of living-wage jobs???

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itiswritten, I'd thing it would be more degrading sitting at home on your backside, living off the government rather than standing face to face with someone who could very easily be your future boss. I agree with you though...the jobs aren't here like they used to be. What happened to Drift's other half has happened to far too many people in our country. And for the jobs that are available, a person has to find that certain "niche of creativity" in order to get hired.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Yeah alleycat...whatever. That's your opinion. Care to mention the Temp Agencies you speak of???

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Drift — August 25, 2011 at 4:12 p.m.

The power to bring jobs back to the United States doesn't belong to congress, or the president, it belongs to the people. The republicans believe that jobs come with less regulation and lower taxes, the democrats feel the answer is more taxes and more spending. Both have their merits and both will fail. The only way to bring back jobs is for the average consumer to refuse to buy Chinese made Levis, Nikes made in Thailand, a Maytag made in Mexico or a Ford made in Canada. Support U.S. jobs, buy U.S. products, flat out refuse to buy foreign made products by U.S. companies.

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

THANK YOU FROBERT!!!! I couldn't agree more!

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:25 p.m

Seriously? First off, I wouldn't have promised something I couldn't deliver.

Secondly, get rid of NAFTA or make it so those companies that take their manufacturing over the border to get cheap labor have to pay a tariff to bring those items into the country.

Also, I would require companies that want to do business in the U.S. to manufacture here just like the law in China.

Just two off the top of my head, it's not like I was elected to come up with this stuff, I mean who would take a job like that?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Okay Hawkeye...

So how could you do that all by yourself if you were the Elected Representative??? BTW, I totally agree with both suggestions and I'm sure some of our elected officials do too, but the fact of the matter is that both suggestions cannot be implemented by just one person and you should have known that. Hawk, have you ever checked out the work our elected officials have tried to get on the table, only to be ousted and thrown in the bin of red tape and rejection???

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

During Jamie's last visit she held a sit down with local business owners. A comment, which the article made sound as though more than one stated it, was that some of those guys had jobs available, but couldn't find qualified applicants.

Jamie appears to take the job of being in Congress seriously, and I'll take a leap and suggest she'll want to get reelected. She ran on jobs, and this is a chance to produce. If she doesn't, then her odds of getting a second term drop. No ideas what promises she'll have to make those guys with jobs, but....

roger — August 25, 2011 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Also Hawkeye...how many elected officials THIS TERM ALONE have made promises they couldn't keep? At least Jaime's trying, considering the bleak outlook for our area.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Geeze Golden, do you know how congress works? Someone writes up a bill and it's presented to congress and they have discussions about it and they vote on it. Yes, it ALL starts with one person. Why can't Jamie do something like that? Isn't that her job? For crying out loud, what the heck is she doing, listening to Boehner and voting the way he tells her to vote? Sorry, she still hasn't convinced me.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Also Hawkeye...how many elected officials THIS TERM ALONE have made promises they couldn't keep? At least Jaime's trying, considering the bleak outlook for our area.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 4:48 p.m.

You know what? I have no idea, I'm in Jamie's district, she's the one that concerns me.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Geeze Hawkeye, haven't you ever gone on the government website to check progress of the bills and who sponsored them, including bills that never passed??? That's what I was talking about hawk. So by her running this Jobs Fair, she should know ahead of time what the people will tell her??? Have you ever thought she is part of a group of reps selected to gain one-on-one feedback from the people and employers???

And Hawkeye, there are bills brought up in Congress which affects all of us, not just the district we share...and the whole scope of what is being done in Congress concerns me.

Oh well, I know there's no convincing you to let her give it a try. You're still grumpy because she was the one elected, not your preference. I'm done playing your game for now, Hawkeye. You have a good evening, now.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

OK, alleycat -

"On my way to the Decemberists concert....yeeeeehaaaaaa :)))))~"

Lonesome George at the zoo was a good call - fits the Vancouver scene. But an indie folk rock band? C'mon!! I can buy into having diverse tastes, but this is just a little too P'town. Next you'll be getting emo on us.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

If she's so concerned about everyone's opinion, how come she hasn't had a full open town hall and doesn't have one scheduled? Seems like that would be the best way and it would attract the most people. Now wouldn't it?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 4:54 p.m.

Not that I'm a fan of hers, but she has sponsored two bills last time I checked one to cut congressional pay, and one to ease runoff standards for silvaculture operations. So one to cut spending and one to help create jobs.

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Goldenoldie,

Guess I was not clear. I do not feel that it is degrading for a job seeker to do a face to face with a potential employee but rather to stand in line for hours with media helicopters overhead and reporters sticking a mic in your face to capture an interview. I have seen this too often.

itiswritten

itiswritten — August 25, 2011 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Goldie,

I voted for Jaime. She ran on things I could support, while that Heck guy didn't say anything useful. But I'd like to see results that have a direct benefit to our area WITHOUT costing us an arm and leg (anti-CRC comment here). A job fair where everyone fills out apps and nothing comes of it is a waste, and it would come back to haunt her. (Some of our friends at The Columbian will make sure of that!!) So, for a few reasons like this, she HAS to produce. And I suspect she's smart enough to know this.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

On reason there are fewer jobs than years ago, is the fact that so many jobs have left the US for whatever reason. Another reason is that with the new inventions and the advancement of technology, it takes fewer people to do the same job as in years past. So fewer jobs and an increasing population. quite a problem.

rincon1 — August 25, 2011 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Any of them pass?

And how does easing runoff standards create jobs?

How about changing the way Senators and Congressmen earn their retirement money? If you serve four terms or more, full retirement, three terms = 3/4, two terms = 1/2, one term = 1/4. Seems fair to me. Either that or they get SSI and a 401K like everybody else.

Lead by example, I always say.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- An Oregon judge who was bicycling to work was struck and injured by a car driven by a doctor.

Once again proving that no matter how hard we try, we can't top real life.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cause and effect.

There are different ways to interpret the information in this 60 minutes segment, but one cannot escape the view, that one theme here is, that increased tax RATES, have decreased tax REVENUES, and jobs.

60 minutes corporate tax rates

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 5:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

My son has found that most employers do not want a face to face until they do an interview, some don't even then. They have HR do the hiring. Days are gone where ones fills out an application, interviewed by the employer and hired or nor hired the same day. Now it is weeks to months and many interviews before one gets hired.

I know of a single mom of 2 that it took her 6 months and 5 interviews with 5 different people from this one company to get hired. So those that think it's so dang easy to get a job out there in today's market...go for it try it yourself.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 5:16 p.m.

"And how does easing runoff standards create jobs?" By making it easier for the companies to get the needed permits.

I don't think either bill made it out of committee.

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 5:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

For whatever it's worth --

I don't think we're going to hear from Matt for a while. The busiest facebook page is the latest baseball one - Commissioners float new baseball proposal to Yakima Bears. There's more hostility, name calling, and downright meanness going down there - Matt's issuing warnings by name, and I'm surprised he hasn't deleted a few more than he has.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 5:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Oh darn, he didn't make it to the beach, huh?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 5:19 p.m.

If we eliminate corporate income tax for companies that have say 90% of their employees in the U.S. what do you think that would do for employment? We would probably have to opt out of NAFTA first, but that's no big loss.

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 5:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

One hour ago on Twitter Unknown person wrote --- Just talked to kathie.durbin@columbian.com re Herrera-Buetler's lack of TH. She is doing a story. Email her!

buckeye71 — August 25, 2011 at 5:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TH?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Elisi

He's 22 so he's been out of high school for 4 years. One of the things that employers look at is gaps so that could be a flag unless he has been in college. Employers can cherry pick now. Any visible tattoos, piercings? Discs? Facial hair?

Has he tried Precision Castparts? I believe they use an agency.

WorkSource?

Who does he know? Uncles, cousins, neighbors, church, girlfriend's family, high school teacher. Who do they know? Get a network rolodex going.

Do you know anyone in Longshoremen's Union that could get him to an on call situation? My son had a fabulous opportunity for years and made excellent money. He had a full time job too.

Can he get into an apprentice program? I don't think he can get into some of the jobs you listed without following the process. Who is advising him on how to get employed in those fields?

Has he tried for sheet rock and roofing jobs. Maintenance worker? Mini-markets, gas stations? Mini-mart/gas near me just hired.

What does Clark have to offer for training? Is he signed up for fall term or has he graduated?

Just quickly brainstorming.

buckeye71 — August 25, 2011 at 6:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Evergreen Public Schools officials have awarded a $16.1 million contract to a Beaverton, Ore., building contractor to construct its new Health and BioScience Academy. Skanska USA Building, Inc., was the low bidder Tuesday at the school district’s second go-round on the bid award process. Skanska USA is based out of NY, so I gather the Eugene contractor works for them. And the corporate HQs is in Skanska's home country Sweden. So I'm guessing it's safe to assume the profit on the $16.1 mil won't stay here.

But seeing as how we've been talking about jobs --

I don't know how this field works. Will the Eugene contractor subcontract to local construction companies? Will he hire local workers here in Vancouver, or will he head for the day work corner on MLK?

I believe this is mostly federal funding, but it possible (legal) to specify in the contracting process that projects built with tax dollars have to hire a certain percentage of their workforce here?

roger — August 25, 2011 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Frobert,

I hardly know where to begin.

And I'm a nobody. But here is my first thought.

First of all, just what does it take to opt out of NAFTA?

On a related note, for example, my understanding is, that there is no provision for a member country to secede from the EU.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) -- Federal officials have awarded $50 million in homeland security grants to state and local agencies in Washington. Gov. Chris Gregoire said in a statement Thursday that the money will enhance protection of communities. Some of the money is earmarked for improving driver's license security and emergency operations centers. Other grants go to tribes and nonprofits.

OK, so we're funneling money home by playing on fear. Whatever - I like pork when the money comes here, but don't like it going elsewhere. And after a fashion I can understand the driver's license security (no idea what it is, but it sounds good) and the EOCs. But tribes and nonprofits under homeland security? Maybe the Nisqually Reservation has a chapter of the NRA that will mobilize to protect Olympia when the Crazy Clark County Conservatives get fed up and pay a visit?

roger — August 25, 2011 at 7:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kn_dalai,

From a 2010 CTV web page.

A group of U.S. congressmen is throwing its weight behind a new bill that calls for the United States to withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement. The bill, which is spearheaded by Rep. Gene Taylor, a Democrat from Mississippi, would require President Barack Obama to give Canada and Mexico six-months notice that the U.S. will no longer be a part of NAFTA.

It didn't look like Rep Taylor got much support, either here or in Canada.

roger — August 25, 2011 at 7:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71 — August 25, 2011 at 6:27 p.m

His appearance? No tattoos, no piercings, no disabilities, looks like he just came out of boot camp haircut, no facial hair. Yes he has been at Clark, and now needs to find a job so he can finish his studies at WSU.

He has exhausted every avenue he knows, family, friends, neighbors. One cousin works for an electrical company in Portland, and not hiring. One works in a dental office, one at a hospital in Portland, and one is a freight broker, all not hiring and knows no one that is.

Right now, he mows lawns and does a little handyman's work when people need it. He has decided to go into the military, while in he can finish his degrees plus the job he chose will also be counted as college credits. It was either that or move to Alaska where our daughter is. Alaska seems to have the opposite problem we have here. Jobs, but no one applies.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ELISI, a lot of the bigger companies in the Portland area use "Worksource", at the Unemployment office or online. I know that Freightliner hires from there, Precision Cast Parts probably does too.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 7:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 7:45 p.m

He has pretty much made his mind up and has started the process with a recruiter. I stand behind his decision and support him. Just have to see if he passes the physical, if he does then the wait to see when the job he wants is open. He has chosen 3 jobs all have a 2 yr school. All total he will serve for 6 yrs. After the 2 yr school he will then transfer his credits over to WSU for his college degree. So if he walks out after serving 6 yrs, he will have his degree and served his country. Only thing that bothers me about it, he is our only son and my husband's family's only grandson to pass the name on.
He is stubborn like me and will do what he wants, I have to support him.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 8:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

For anybody qualified to do any of these jobs listed in Portland, here's the link.

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Precision+Castparts&l=Portland%2C+OR

You check the qualifications...it's a specialized field.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

All I can say is good for him. I hope he does well. At times like this it's difficult to choose a reasonable path but I think he is making the right choice. Back in my day, there were no choices when you went in with the exception of which branch as long as it was volunteer. If you were drafted, no choice at all.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Freightliner:

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Freightliner&l=Portland%2C+OR

With both, I see the need for at least an Associates Degree in a specialized field.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 8:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 8:15 p.m

Huh, I qualify for four of those. Cool.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 8:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 25, 2011 at 8:17 p.m.

And I qualify for two of those. cooler.

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 8:15 p.m

How well I remember Hawkeye. Now they have the choice and now they give college credits for schooling unlike they did when you and my hubby was in. Hubby was in from 68 to 72. Hubby was crew chief on KC-135's his last 2 yrs he was in. When he was at Nakhon Phanom, Thailand that was the longest and most worrisome year I ever spent.

ELISI — August 25, 2011 at 8:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Roger, so just what does it take to opt out of NAFTA?

kn_dalai — August 25, 2011 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen, I have to agree with most of your post. Just look at her web site and the first thing you see is the big word "JOBS" .

The funny thing I hear from some is that it's her first go around or she needs time to get it all figured out, well answer me this, is she getting "learners pay" , is she not going to qualify for full retirement?

I for one want results! It is what we are paying for, isn't it?

hawkeye — August 25, 2011 at 10:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

H.R.2541

frobert — August 25, 2011 at 10:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Oh yea fro, we went over this one. No jobs. Didn't pass, and if it did, all it would have done would be to make some runoff muddier.

Show me something real.

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 6:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

The only thing Jamie & jobs have in common is both begin with the letter J. As the tea bagger influence permeates the GOP, they are, in effect, killing two of the largest contributions to ending a recession-public sector hiring and public money thrown back into the economy. Their premise of slashing government spending is poor timed at best. If there is a short-term increase in the debt, so be it. It's possible to balance the federal budget with a robust economy. A republican Congress & clinton did it. Restore the pre-Bush tax rates on millionaires. No need to exrtend them. It has been proven the cuts don't create jobs. Increased revenues will come as the economy heats up, allo0wing for a balanced budget. Gradually phase in spending cuts at that time. Remove the cap on SS. The claim SS contributes to the deficit is BS. Medicare contributes 8% of the fed deficit. Raise the contibution rate gradually to close the gap. It ain't rocket science Jamie, but you gotta DO something besides talk, talk, talk. All talk and no action will cause people to stop listening to you. I have.

mrd — August 26, 2011 at 7:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen — August 26, 2011 at 7:02 a.m.

For two years the democrats had the house, senate and presidency, where are the jobs?

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 8:15 a.m

Ask your buddy Bush. When you spend eight years digging a hole, it takes more than two years to fill it back in. Your girl, Jamie, ran her campaign on the "jobs" platform and we are just looking for results. Is that too much to ask?

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 8:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.

I have never claimed to support Bush, he is a liberal that expanded size and scope of government. Now more of the same is going to cause more of the same.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

In the US, with two million fed employees and 311 million people that is .6%. I saw where CAnada's % is .82. Relatively speaking, I wonder how much too large the gov actually is.

mrd — August 26, 2011 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"""Please wake up people. Do you WANT to vote for a proven liar?"""

Allen, do we really have much of a choice? Tell me one politician who hasn't been caught in a lie, would you please???

I voted for our current president who has made many campaign promises yet to be fulfilled or were flat out...well...I'll leave it up to you. I was told by Alley I made a mistake when I voted this last year and I shrugged it off as just Alley's opinion...but then I decided to do a bit of homework. I'm beginning to think he's right...but about the wrong person. Do you doubt my word, Allen? If you do, then maybe you can check this link out then tell me about politicians and lying to the people in order to get elected. Now guaranteed, I have not checked the entire accuracy of the campaign pledges and I'm quite uncomfortable with this link...but it was quite a list and I did recognize some of the promises which have not been fulfilled:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

So now after reviewing this link...again I ask...What politician hasn't been caught in a lie in order to be elected by the people?

goldenoldie — August 26, 2011 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

And you WONDER why so many of us find politics so danged confusing!!!

goldenoldie — August 26, 2011 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

That's a Capital D behind his name, Alley...D for Democrat, sir.

You've got to face the fact that the definition of Democrat is not the same as it once was...and the same goes for Republican or any other modern-society political group. I have and that's all the more reason for the confusion so many who try to understand the political world are experiencing.

Now you go and have a nice day, Alley...you and the rest of the folks at the C!!! I've left some food for thought for everyone to ponder, so my work is done for the day here.

For the first time this week, I don't feel like I'm living in a sauna and I'm going to make the best of the morning AND weekend. Harvest and canning/freezingdehydrating/packing time, you know.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2011 at 10:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen, I am glad you understood where I was coming from.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2011 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

alleycat — August 26, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.

The republican party from it's inception until now, has stood for states rights over centralized government and opposed "extravagant excesses in government", that makes Bush a democrat, not Obama a republican.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen,

Remember back when you were in school and we had class president elections?

I remember those running promising, chocolate milk at lunch time, longer recesses, no more home work, shorter school days, more holiday time off etc.. remember? We as children and teens would laugh, applaud, scream with delight and say YES! YES! YES! Then we would elect our class president on popularity and those promises knowing full well we'd never get those promises. Did we get any of those promises? Umm NO! Did they lie? Well yes and no. They may have wanted to see those things happen, but there was the school board, parents, teachers that stood in the way.

Same goes for anyone in the adult world that runs for an office. They can project to the voter what they would like to do, want to do (promises) but know deep down that they will most likely never happen. From a committee, to congress to senate has to be voted on by others, if it doesn't pass even one of those, it's dead in the water. If it happens to pass all, it goes to the president and he has the power to veto or pass. Most things don't even get pass the committee. Why do you think it takes years to get anything simple passed? Take Obamacare, it was thrown together, rammed through and even Pelosi said one would have to vote on it to find out whats in it. What kind of ( ) is that? That to me was NOT a responsible politician looking out for the best for her or anyone constituents.

ELISI — August 26, 2011 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawkeye,

It's not easy getting a bill in front of congess to get voted on.. If it were thats all they would be doing is presenting and votin.. But here is a link so you can understand the process that a bill takes to get voted on. I voted for JHB because she said things that I liked and i thought she was passionate about where Mr heck was as vanilla as cardboard.. I think we've already gotten more out of JHB than Our presdinet.. You know what JHB already has as much experience as the President did prior to him getting elected president.. Humm, makes one think doesn't it.. So before you criticize look at the process.. Like GO said no one can do it by themselves, it's a team effort...

vanwadreamer — August 26, 2011 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 10:28 a.m.

Well, sorta true. But look around #4 for the context.....

http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Republican_Platform_1860.html

mr_basil_seal — August 26, 2011 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

vanwadreamer — August 26, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.

Oh, I know it's not that easy but my point was, if you are going to make promises, do your best to fulfill those promises. Don't make any claims you can't do anything about. We have had way too many of those and it's time to put a stop to it. If someone thinks they are going to get elected and just skate thru, forget it. You are going to be a one term member.

Also, I still think the retirement pay needs to be revamped. My plan, as I said before is this;

If you serve four terms or more, full retirement, three terms = 3/4, two terms = 1/2, one term = 1/4. Seems fair to me. Either that or they get SSI and a 401K like everybody else.

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Also:

http://www.ushistory.org/gop/convention_1856republicanplatform.htm

mr_basil_seal — August 26, 2011 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 26, 2011 at 11:27 a.m.

My statement holds true concerning the republican platform, now if we could just find some republican politicians that understand what a republican is.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 11:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen — August 26, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.

Definitely incorrect, there have been many good republicans over the years, and even a few good democrats.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kn_dalai,

Ref: dropping NAFTA. Short answer is I don't know for a fact, and I'm not sure the federal gov't does either.

It's a congressional executive agreement - approved by a simple majority of both houses and signed by the President. The President would have to give Canada and Mexico notice of intent to terminate. But how we get to that point isn't clear.

Leaving a treaty requires the same as approval - 2/3 vote of the Senate and then Presidential action. A presumption is that the same would hold for an agreement - a simple majority from the House and the Senate, and then the President does his part. But I haven't run across anything that requires the President to act on that vote. There's also a stipulation that if elements of an agreement are like a treaty in nature, then the 2/3 Senate vote may be required. And there are some that think individual states can pull out of an agreement - I think this is because the Constitution only grants treaty rights to the federal level.

roger — August 26, 2011 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger — August 26, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.

NAFTA, was passed by simple majority in both houses, therefore some argue it is void, the Constitution requires 2/3 majority of the Senate for ratification of a treaty. The constitution makes it clear that states are bound by treaties, NAFTA, does not qualify as a treaty.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger — August 26, 2011 at 12:53 p.m

This is just my opinion but I think that if the "treaty" was originally a Federal treaty, the States have no right to pull out. If the Feds require a 2/3 vote of the Senate, that would lock in the States. Majority rules.

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 11:49 a.m

Let's try it again; Historical Context...

Note that they platform specifically talks about Kansas.

Why?

They don't like a recent Federal action there.

Why?

Note also that the platform specifically talks about the strength of the Union being important. Not the North, the Union of the Nation.

Thousand words and you or someone informing you pulls out 'states rights'....

mr_basil_seal — August 26, 2011 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Fro, you are probably right. That's why they call it an "Agreement" and not a treaty.

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

One Word Turns the Tea Party Around

http://weeklysift.com/2011/08/15/one-word-turns-the-tea-party-around/

Tea Partiers think:

The threat to our way of life comes from government, and the solution is to shrink government while freeing corporations from government control.

Just flip government and corporations in that sentence:

The threat to our way of life comes from corporations, and the solution is to shrink corporations while freeing government from corporate control.

Perfect. Now you can explain things like too-big-to-fail banks gambling trillions on the unregulated credit-default-swap market, sinking the economy, and then getting the taxpayers to cover their losses.

And more: Did the USDA put salmonella in our meat? No, meat-packing corporations did. And they’ve got enough lawyer-and-lobbyist power to keep the USDA regulators at bay. Did the EPA dump raw oil into the Gulf of Mexico? No, BP did. They cut corners on safety and no regulator was in a position to stop them. Did the government kill the 29 miners at Upper Big Bend coal mine? No, Massey Energy did, and had enough clout to keep the mine going even after inspectors had found more than 500 safety violations.

http://weeklysift.com/2011/08/15/one-word-turns-the-tea-party-around/

mr_basil_seal — August 26, 2011 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 26, 2011 at 1:14 p.m.

The actions in the Territories,may have been of utmost importance at the time, however I am discussing their founding ideals not their stand on current issues of the time. You are grasping at straws, trying to support an opinion that is unsupportable. Take your own advise and come back when you have some facts to back up your opinion.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawk,

I agree , I like your plan.. Good job. I know you knew but sometimes we and ME make generalities that are a little blown out just to make a point.. But seriously your plan looks good to me.. revamping SS is alos an agenda item I would like to see.. I would like to do my own investing with my own SS taxes instead of the government giving my money away... I earned it for possible future income but will most likely see very little.. And I would have much more to live on than the amount I'm projected to have... Invest for the long term and in yourself...peopl who have 401K with the majority of there investment into there own company are looking for problems down the road..

vanwadreamer — August 26, 2011 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Republican ex presidential candidate Pat Robertson thinks the cracks in the Washington Monument are a sign from God! Then what he must think of a 13% tea party approval rating.

vanwadreamer @ 11:03...really? JHB was a tenured 12 year law professor teaching constitutional law, then served seven years as a congresswoman, then three years as a us Senator?

Please....tell us more.

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 2:16 p.m.

And democrat ex gubernatorial candidate Fred Phelps believes that fellow democrat Obama is the anti-Christ. Do you have a point?

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert.......sigh......even when apples are apples and oranges are oranges...somehow you choose a pickle. Putting discussions in context is important fro, and by and large a learned behavior. You can do better than this.

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 2:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Not to decipher from fact from speculation is a bit absurd frobro. Why reach so far as to accomplish a negative. My comment wasn't even directed to you. Are you okay? That 13% bagger approval rating got you down?

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Too many fro-m's...

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit

You can't eagerly sign on to Norquist's pledge and still be flexible and listen to your constituents. She is locked onto a path laid out by Norquist & backers. Hope you take time to read this. She is comfortable speaking to these older people in Camas and just repeating a stump speech with talking points. She knows they aren't going to challenge her.

http://bizzylife.com/2011/08/coffee-with-the-congresswoman/

buckeye71 — August 26, 2011 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71...incredible read!!! Thank you! Great insight into Jaime's way of governing. She just seems to be a decoration of sorts and not a serious lawmaker. She had better enjoy this gig while she can.

Everyone needs to read this! This gives thoughtful insight as to where our Congresswoman is coming from, and there ain't no way she's gonna have a town hall! If she did it would have to be extremely short with scripted questions. Ahhh 2012...bring it on!

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71 — August 26, 2011 at 3 p.m.

Thanks for the link, it was interesting. Pretty much what I expected of her, no real surprises.

I suspect she will be a one term-er if this gets out so EVERYBODY READ buckeye71's LINK.

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 5:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71,

I read Tim's article and agree that we're electing people to office that don't belong there - on both sides of the aisle. But I have a problem with his conclusion that the political intelligentsia know what's best for us. The real solution is to clean up the voting pool. We are a republic; as such, there shouldn't be a problem with requiring prospective voters to show they know something about their government before letting them pull that lever.

roger — August 26, 2011 at 6:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Not a bad idea, Roger. but then you get into a bunch of "qualification" problems and "rights" problems.

hawkeye — August 26, 2011 at 6:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger @ 6:17 What "requirements" do you propose that prospective voters should have before "pulling that lever". Consider the spectrum and broad base of people who exercise one of the most basic freedoms we have in this country. However...

...requiring citizens who run for office to take a litmus test of sorts would be good. I'd like to see a jeopardy format for presidential hopefuls. It should be required. vanwadreamer seemingly draws no line with a candidate who is a constitutional law professor and a Joe Zarelli intern.

Everyone has their own idea of who is qualified......part of the dumbing down of America. Hell...........look how many would still vote for Sarah Palin...the same that would vote for the latest Texan shyster......

You voted for Jaime Herrea-Buetler...should you be disqualified this next election?

nailingit — August 26, 2011 at 6:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

One positive thing about the Tea Partiers. They weren't afraid to take a stand different from the norm. The Democrats and Republicans are so into themselves and so afraid to make changes they will continue with the status quo. The longer these two parties are in power or fighting to get power, the closer the United States is coming towards it's end. At least the Tea Partiers are causing some people to think for a change instead of accepting what the Democrat controlled media are preaching. The Republicans are not much different, with the exception that they are against socialism, which is another word for slavery.

cranky — August 26, 2011 at 6:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye, nailingit,

How about the same test we make immigrants take to become citizens? Unbiased, and it would show your ability to retain something beyond the talking points of the day.

As I said before, I voted for Jaime because she was saying things that sounded useful - like her promises to work toward cutting wasteful spending and for getting us jobs. I balanced that against the virtual lack of anything coming from Heck. And in times where money is tight, I'll usually support a fiscal conservative over a spend our way out liberal. Unfortunately, I didn't realize how much cutting these people were looking at. So, in answer to nailingit's asking whether voting for Jaime should DQ me from the upcoming election - can I plead the 5th?

roger — August 26, 2011 at 7:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cutting spending makes sense if tax breaks and subsidies are eliminated. I liked the list the "Green Scissors" group has targeted. But loans to struggling businesses are ok, if they have a reasonable chance of repaying the loans, like the big three automakers.

mangoboy — August 26, 2011 at 9:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hurricane Irene is on the way, but after Katrina, everything else seems to be just another storm...almost 6 years exactly since Katrina, and many parts of New Orleans are still lying in ruins.

mangoboy — August 26, 2011 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mangoboy

Are you aware that you posted to last week's forum today? I don't think anyone will see it.

buckeye71 — August 26, 2011 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Roger

Miscellaneous mindless jottings as I watch Irene ---

I wonder if the author votes in primaries. I have thought since the summer of 2009 that we should have available Civics 101 classes. I must have read wrong when I saw that one of the candidates for City Council said that Council members should just sit down over coffee and decide to agree. Do you suppose people think that's the way it works?

If you watched Baird's health care Town Halls, the ones further north in his district were quite reasonable with intelligent dialog. Of course, they were later too. I mistakenly thought that portion of the district would outweigh the votes for JHB in this area.

Here's some info to digest as Women's Equality Day comes to an end. Love how people refer to women being GIVEN the right to vote.

http://shoqvalue.com/liberal-achievements

This is Rachel and David Letterman from this week. She talks about her upcoming special on 10 years post 9/11.

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?pid=tqqEAmprpPaCcuZBaCg6ki8e5N_d3Utp

buckeye71 — August 26, 2011 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71 — August 26, 2011 at 10:44 p.m.

Your link about liberal achievements has many inconsistencies, both woman's suffrage and civil rights were conservative causes although a liberal president made a plea to congress and got the extra votes needed to pass them. Eisenhower was a centrist conservative not a liberal. I am sure I could find other errors in this piece of blatant propaganda, but it is late and I am tired.

It also fails to mention liberal causes like

the trail of tears.
the KKK.
Jim Crow laws.
The atomic bomb.
Segregation.
Bombing churches.

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 11:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Lou Brancaccio...if you're checking out the forum this morning, I just wanted to say I totally enjoyed your Press Talk today! Thanks for the chuckles...I "CRACK-ed" up with your story about the hot dog.

goldenoldie — August 27, 2011 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alley, it was a light and spirited write he did...and I still question why the website considers it news rather than opinion. As yours is, my post was my opinion too!

Speaking of hot dogs...anybody ever check out the ingredients in the buns....I mean REALLY check to find out what those ingredients are???

Take for instance...I purchased a brand from Winco that starts with the letter "L"...a name synonymous with memories of the Mom and Pop bakery many of us recognize from our childhood. There was an ingredient I didn't recognize and since it had "ide" as the suffix, knew it had to be a chemical process and another which we utilize to green our grass and Timothy McVey and his buddies used to do their dirty work. Well...what I found out turned my stomach upside down and I tossed the rest of the package after 4 buns had been either devoured or mold had set in.

The ingredients???

"Azodicarbonamide" and "Ammonium Sulfate." The first one, I have provided a link for everyone to read. If you like eating foam, then continue eating your Big Box store hot dog buns with your hot dogs. It's in most of the brands. Could it be this ingredient is needed now that the wheat has been genetically altered thanks in part by the wonders of companies like Monsanto??? This is the easiest link to read on the subject, although the other articles essentially said the same thing...including government links.

Azodicarbonamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Knowledge is good. How you take the knowledge and implement a healthier lifestyle is even better.

goldenoldie — August 27, 2011 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Speaking about hot dog buns...my bread dough is ready to punch down, to make home made hot dog buns for the barbecue this afternoon. Ingredients??? Yeast, organic flour, organic raw sugar, sea salt, organic butter and filtered water.

Can't get any better than that!!!

Everyone, do yourselves a favor...before taking a bite of anything you purchased on the shelves at the Big Box stores, take a peek at the ingredients. It just might save you the headache of expensive medical bills in the future...and prolong your life!!!

Have a great weekend, y'all!!!!

goldenoldie — August 27, 2011 at 7:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 26, 2011 at 11:34 p.m.

Walk us through how.

Each one.

Separately.

Show us what informed your thinking.

Show us the linkage between event and political outlook.

Looking forward to seeing it.

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 7:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Interesting that Lou's column would address how hard the media worked to turn the recent earthquake from a relative nonevent into something newsworthy enough to spend days covering. After watching some of the Irene coverage, I'm thinking the same thing about the government reaction to this storm, especially north of the VA Beach area. It appears to be losing strength and slowing down - latest predictions have it down to tropical storm strength with about 6-8" of rainfall in most areas north of the Carolinas. Yet we've already declared the entire East Coast a disaster area, and Christie and Bloomburg are all over the news telling people to evacuate. Maybe they're trying to divert our attention from something else?

roger — August 27, 2011 at 7:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 7:21 a.m.

My statement was based on rational, informed thinking. I don't take assignments from you, if you disagree with me, find facts not some propaganda piece to refute what I said.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 7:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckeye71-

I did not know that. Thanks, I will repost. It kind of helps me make my point in the critique of the forums, as in clutter/confusion inducing...!!

p.s. Ohio State graduate or High School graduate in 71?

mangoboy — August 27, 2011 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey goldenoldie,

You got nothing on my wife today...a large plate of fresh homemade cinnamon rolls is sitting on the kitchen island as we speak...

mangoboy — August 27, 2011 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 7:39 a.m.

Sorry, but you are the one making the claims.

And you seem to be blustering.

Blustering rather than showing your "rational, informed thinking".

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goldenoldie — August 27, 2011 at 6:48 a.m

"I see a crack!" LOL Lou did pen a good one this week..

He should pen one about all the "cracks" around town one can see when yard work is being done. ;]

ELISI — August 27, 2011 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Time to weigh in on the Forums organization-

This is the "Open Forum" but 90% of what is being discussed here is political. Bring back separate political and open forums.

The weeks past forums are listed, like a bunch of stale magazines that have already been read. Put them all under one category, "archived forums." That way they are still available for the fact checkers among us, but not distracting.

A "transportation forum" can cover the bridge, Light rail, bus, roads, all under one roof, as they are all related.

The "Tech" forum is dormant. I propose changing it to Consumer issues to include everything we buy, use, and rate for quality and usefulness, including back fence items like gardening tools, for example. Maybe reviews of local businesses...

Downtown should include all county wide land planning and neighborhood topics also, maybe needs renaming.

Just some suggestions....

mangoboy — August 27, 2011 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Good morning everyone. Does anyone know why people with last names like Forkidzsafety are allowed to keep posting on the facebook side? Please don't tell me that is Swedish or Norwegian.

PadmaRani — August 27, 2011 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PadmaRani — August 27, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.

I think it's NorSwedigan. Either that or Matt likes what they say.

hawkeye — August 27, 2011 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 8:16 a.m.

No I am not the one making the claim, the person that linked to a blatant piece of propaganda, full of lies and half truths, is making the claim. The very fact that it claims the Hover dam (proposed by conservative Herbert Hoover and approved by conservative Calvin Coolidge)as a liberal achievement, calls the entire list into question.

Another case in point, it claims that "The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944" was a liberal achievement, yet it was written by Republican national chair Colmery, do you care to walk us through how that works?

How about how does the ADA which passed the house unanimously, and was highly praised by George H.W. Bush, become a liberal achievement?

How many times did the woman's suffrage amendment get blocked by democrats before Wilson made his impassioned plea to get liberals to vote for it?

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Sorry should have been Hoover dam, I don't think a dam that hovered would do much good.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mangoboy ---

Neither. Ohio native. Cousin was prof at OSU but I'm California State University, Fresno grad. Alas, 71 is my age.

buckeye71 — August 27, 2011 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey Buckeye,

You are so right, no rights of any kind are "given." I believe "earned" is a more accurate, although still lacking, description.

Hey Frobert, etc,

The two major parties are very much interested in your discussion, and the relative validity of assigning credit to which party has accomplished more. Its all part of their propaganda and rhetoric machines, to brainwash the electorate into believing they are the answer, and if only they didn't have to deal with the other party, everything would be SO much better. Please get beyond partisanship, and realize no one has all the answers.

mangoboy — August 27, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mangoboy — August 27, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.

I am not a republican, but no one else on here is going to point out the blatant lies from the left. Yes, I understand that just as many lies come from the right, but we have plenty of people here who will point them out.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mangoboy- I believe (IMHO) buckeye was referring to the inequality our government and much of society placed, and to a degree still places with the female gender. It's absurd women were disallowed to vote to begin with.

nailingit — August 27, 2011 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 9:38 a.m.

Let me see if I got this right....

Buckeye links to a site that lists liberal achievements.

So you counter with some claims (the trail of ....bombing churches.).

You get called on it.

And you then say it is my job to prove or disprove your claims.

You then claim that buckeye's site is a " blatant piece of propaganda, full of lies and half truths,".

So, why not ask buckeye for proof supporting his site's list?

And you bluster about not needing to prove yours.

And it doesn't take much research to know why you are blustering and why you're not pressing buckeye.....

So, now you have two sets of unsupported claims;

The list: the trail of ....bombing churches.

And description of the site: blatant piece of propaganda, full of lies and half truths.

And we're back to your blustering rather than showing your "rational, informed thinking".

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 12:40 p.m.

You totally missed my point in my list of "achievements". If you accept the logic behind the posted list all being liberal achievements then the same flawed logic would make my list liberal achievements.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

this forum is kinda like wash DC. most defend a position rather than actually considering the other's point of view.

then the elected puppets argue who won and who lost, who's to get the credit and who's to blame. sell the load to the voters, most of whom identify by party rather than any singular issue, and presto-a dysfunctional government. but the rifts between the dems and reps, cons and libs, does, as someone mentioned, keep the puppet masters safely out of the fray and limelight, but still totally in control.

the extended campaign seasons become quite expensive ensuring the puppets will stay on their master's strings as they have no choice, unless us joe blows start buying them, and our pockets ain't deep enough.

mrd — August 27, 2011 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ran across a nice squabble on Mother Jones website.

Mayor Bloomberg has evacuation plans going on for all "at risk" areas of NYC except for one - Rikers Island. There is no plan to relocate the approx 12,000 prisoners there - they'll just move them to the center of the facility if necessary.

Interesting decision. He's a Republican, but "liberal" on a lot of issues. There was talk of him running in 2012 as an Independent, but he shot that down. But for 2016 - will a decision like this hurt him?

roger — August 27, 2011 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 1 p.m.

Your "point" only works if you:

A- prove your "the trail of ....bombing churches" list is 'liberal'

AND

B- That buckeye's list is fraudulent

And so far, neither has happened.

But we are getting a bunch of blustering posturing.

And, much like how it was noted with JHB, not answering the question.

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger — August 27, 2011 at 1:53 p.m "He's a Republican"

He was a democrat then a republican and now an independent.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

roger- Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat until he ran on the Republican ticket in 01'. Switched parties again in 07' to Independent.

nailingit — August 27, 2011 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

And on the Huffington Post Speculatron --

Here's Bruce Bartlett, chief domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan: "Rick Perry's an idiot, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that."

roger — August 27, 2011 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 2 p.m.

I have proved that some of buckeye's list is fraudulent, and no, my list is only valid if the same false logic from buckeye's list is applied.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

more of the same dem vs rep nonsense. I read the story about a contractor and Mult Co disputing material falling into the river. one of FB "top commentators"-whatever that is-put his take on it as a result of democrats hating the working class. Only in America......

mrd — August 27, 2011 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey Mango...I hope the cinnamon rolls were good. Too bad we don't have sensory features on the C. I could almost taste the wonderful hot cinnamon rolls. I did make some butterscotch brownies for the grandkids today...from scratch.

goldenoldie — August 27, 2011 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Yup mrd-

The R and D departments are diametrically opposed-and pulling further apart all the time. That leaves a little space for some sanity to flourish in the middle, and a recognition that government and a free market economy can coexist in a symbiotic relationship. Its mutual respect,and acknowledgement that each has a role to play, like a good marriage. Freedom must be tempered with responsibility, not just for ones own interests, but others, which inevitably yields mutual benefits.

mangoboy — August 27, 2011 at 5:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 2:24 p.m
..proved that some of..

Seems you are rather ascribing a lot of influence to heads of very large depts and programs in the 'proof'

And in at least one case, the 'proof' really doesn't match the facts - see the history of the Hoover Dam.

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 6:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 6:51 p.m.

So maybe a little off, however the legislation was written by conservatives, passed by the conservative house and senate and signed by the conservative president. How does that make it a liberal achievement?

How is the ADA a liberal achievement? Civil rights? Woman's suffrage?

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 7:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Basil

You continue to make the claim that you champion facts, but when the facts don't support your liberal view, you perpetuate lies. Are you really that brainwashed that you think all liberal sites are based in fact? That is why I don't link conservative sites, because all political sites are purveyors of deception.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

So maybe a little off,

you perpetuate lies.

why I don't link conservative sites

Oh......

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 9:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

You still haven't come up with a rational indicating that any of these are "liberal achievements", but I don't suppose you ever will.

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

You own your claim.

And, it seems, have decided to not support it.

But thanks for the "So maybe a little off,"

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 9:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2011 at 9:38 p.m

My claims on the few I questioned are concrete and proven by fact. If I wanted to spend the time to pick apart the list I could disprove many more.

Like I said how is the Hoover dam a "liberal achievement"? Do you consider woman's suffrage and civil rights "liberal achievement" because the liberals finally stopped blocking passage?
ADA?
G.I. bill?

frobert — August 27, 2011 at 9:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Works for me!

hawkeye — August 27, 2011 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Why don't you submit your idea to Libby, Sporty??? She's open to new ideas, lol.

goldenoldie — August 28, 2011 at 6:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

But thanks for the "So maybe a little off,"

And part of the "a little off" is the cherrypicking.

BTW, Allen, if my stuff is "pure party line", then you should have no problem finding where the facts are inaccurate. Or showing what "party line". Or bring something that supports your POV.

Which would further a conversation. But it seems you'd rather just 'censor'. Maybe try the ignore button if that is your wont.

mr_basil_seal — August 28, 2011 at 7:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lol Alley...sounds like Mukasey is trying to Bribe the officials, huh!

Regarding the "values" and parenting duties...

Educating our children on government (something I don't think the schools are doing any more, probably because most of it has been attacked by government corruption these days and the fact that the books they learn from have been altered so many times) is a good lesson in corruption and an excellent visual display of bad moral character. As far as values...strong family values are never a bad thing to teach. Teaching them the value of the dollar...now THAT'S a challenge these days.

goldenoldie — August 28, 2011 at 7:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Regarding the "values" and parenting duties... goldenoldie — August 28, 2011 at 7:24 a.m

It's also hard to teach values to children who has a deadbeat, alcoholic, or drug abuser for a parent. I have talked to many kids with attitudes of..."well my mom or dad did this, why can't I"

ELISI — August 28, 2011 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Laird's column is thought provoking as well as entertaining, per usual. I have mixed feelings about the electoral college process, but given what happened 2000, popular vote must be the right way to go. It doesn't speak to constituent idiocy as was the case in 2004, brought on by misinformation, fear, lies and character assassination, but at least it would have stemmed the neo-conservative cancer that permeated our nation at the time and brought us to our economic knees in 2007.

nailingit — August 28, 2011 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

FYI, will be on OPB's Talk Out Loud show tomorrow (Monday)

We can put up possible interview questions now @ http://www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/shows/summer-recess-jaime-herrera-beutler/

mr_basil_seal — August 28, 2011 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SB,

FYI, Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler, will be on OPB's Talk Out Loud show tomorrow (Monday)

We can put up possible interview questions now @ http://www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/shows/summer-recess-jaime-herrera-beutler/

-I'm thinking you'd be more interested in listening to the Congresswoman than me -

mr_basil_seal — August 28, 2011 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Interesting story on the casino, the county wants the state to intervene on their part with the government. Seems that Steve Stuart doesn't think his suit has enough clout without McKenna's help. I think they are ALL wrong and should drop the whole thing. Read the response by Rod Van Mechelen. Covers it completely.

State’s still mum on casino lawsuit by Stephanie Rice

hawkeye — August 28, 2011 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"More than 50 percent of nursing home residents never have visitors. As a result, the remaining years of many of our community's elderly are spent in loneliness and isolation. The Senior Source is working to improve the lives of those residents through its Friendly Visitor Program. Last year almost 1,000 Friendly Visitor Volunteers visited Dallas area nursing home residents. Through visitations that fit their schedule, Friendly Visitor Volunteers can make a nursing home resident feel less lonely."

(The Senior Source)

What plan do the Democrats and Republicans have to alleviate the suffering of millions of the elderly living alone in their rooms?

None. that is one more reason why these two pathetic organizations are a total failure to our people, our culture, and our future.

mangoboy — August 28, 2011 at 8:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mr_basil_seal @ 8:22- Thanks for the link. Posted a question, although with zero expectations.

I wonder what dance she will entertain us with this time. I'm getting tired of the tap dancing... the twist?

nailingit — August 28, 2011 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mangoboy @ 8:32- Is there anything you don't blame government for? Should we employ government workers to be senior's BFF's? What the hell?

nailingit — August 28, 2011 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

OK nailingit,

We are a nation of laws....

We have laws against child abuse and neglect. Leaving the elderly alone in a room and life support amounts to "elder neglect." We cannot dump off the people who built this country and let them die alone...

mangoboy — August 28, 2011 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen, so they are saying that Giffords wasn't the target, Roll was? Why not say that one of the other people killed was the target and neither Giffords or Roll was involved. Amazing how anybody can spin a story.

hawkeye — August 28, 2011 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

A sudden collapse of the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could mean a breakdown in controls over the country's weapons, U.S. officials and weapons experts say. Syria possesses some of the deadliest chemicals ever to be weaponized, dispersed in thousands of artillery shells and warheads that are easy to transport. Although many analysts doubt that Assad would deliberately share chemical bombs with terrorists, it is not inconceivable that weapons could vanish amid the chaos of an uprising that destroys Syria's vaunted security services, which safeguard the munitions. "This is a scenario that's on the radar screen if things go downhill," said a U.S. security official who monitors events in Syria. "A lot of people are watching this closely."

http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/YLCS8G/C5QLJS/3Z3DBV/RW4HF9/TQN2O/GX/h

ELISI — August 28, 2011 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Conspiracy theory at it's finest.

Roll had received death threats a couple of years earlier for allowing Vicente v. Barnett to go to trial. But there never was any sign that Loughner cared about illegal immigration. There is evidence he had it in for Giffords, based on his writings found after the shootings.

I checked the ALIPAC website (Americans for Legal Immigration), seeing as how that member of the "elite side" appears to quote from there. They don't say anything about Roll's death that I can find - they're just pissed that Barnett lost and has to pay a big fine. So if he believes Loughner was actually gunning for Roll, he must get the idea from somewhere else.

roger — August 28, 2011 at 4:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

From alleycat's 6:41 a.m. post --

The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act makes it a crime for U.S. companies to pay bribes or offer any “thing of value” to a foreign official to advance the corporation’s interest.

The US Chamber of Commerce is trying to get enforcement of this act stopped - it appears the Obama administration is into aggressive enforcement of it.

I'm not sure I understand the logic for this act to exist. It is NOT OK for corporations to bribe foreign officials, but it's perfectly OK for them to bribe our own, under the guise of a donation?

roger — August 28, 2011 at 4:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Allen — August 28, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.

I have to tell you, I'm kind of off the salt lately but in this case, I'll take a pound.

hawkeye — August 28, 2011 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Un --friggin--believable;

SARASOTA, Fla. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann said Sunday that she would consider oil and natural gas drilling in the Everglades if it can be done without harming the environment.Bachmann, who wants to get rid of the federal Environmental Protection Agency, said she would rely on experts to determine whether drilling can be done without harming the environment.

No there's a great plan, rely on experts to tell you the truth. How did that work out for the people who trusted Bernie Madoff as an "expert"?

hawkeye — August 28, 2011 at 10:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mangoboy, your post on August 28th at 8:32 a.m. hit home base with me. In my opinion, what I had to witness with my mother's care at a skilled nursing facility in memory care would have been enough to close down the entire facility...but it's a plague which hits each and every SNF out there. I believe part of the problem is the fact that there aren't enough people out there who are dedicated enough to understanding the needs of the elderly whose mental capacities are failing. They don't take into account that some of these people are full-blown diabetics who need nightly visits to the bathroom and many of the patients' buzzers requesting assistance go unanswered which in my mother's case, ended with a hip with multiple fractures, unable to be replaced and her dying of complications. Another issue is money. Yes, money. If the SNF is short on funding and is not making the profits they need, they will under staff their facility to keep their profits within the margin they must keep.

It's a vicious end to quality lives of the elderly when they are forced to live in these facilities...a condemnation of sorts...and yes, I'm quite bitter with SNF's. I'd seen three in operation while my mother was moved from place to place because they could no longer maintain her care due to her injuries sustained in the accident. I've checked out reviews of a few dozen other SNF's and it's the same thing...same complaint read.

God help us all as we approach the time where we need assistance in life. It is my wish that home care is the only way to go. That way, the folks who provide the assistance SHOULD be fully qualified...

maybe new regulations should be in play, Mango.

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hawkeye — August 28, 2011 at 10:45 p.m.

All the more reason me to vote for someone else, Hawkeye. I'm wondering if it's her way to guarantee our dependence on foreign oil.

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 6:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oops...

that should read "All the more reason FOR me to vote for someone else."

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 6:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

It's always amazes me that people who advocate for less government, are for expanding government when it suits their needs or philosophy. mango your initial post I commented on had nothing to do with "a nation of laws", "child abuse", "neglect" etc. It dealt with seniors not having enough people pay them a visit. Is it really government's responsibility to ensure companionship as we grow older? You exaggerate to get a point across that never existed. Kind of like those that actually need another reason not to vote for Bachman. Two peas in a pod! :))

nailingit — August 29, 2011 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit, the seniors who are bedridden are neglected by the staff. Yes, I've witnessed it and YES we spoke with the ombudsman and YES they told us the same thing as what I posted earlier. Not enough staff, not enough profits.

And YES, there should be something here, much like The Senior Source which helps the seniors to cope with the loneliness and abandonment they definitely endure in those Hell holes. There should be mandatory regulations which provide a certain number of skilled staff members to be on duty at all times at these places or prevent the expansion by these facilities in order to gain more bed space so they can receive more government tax dollars WE ARE PAYING!!! THAT's where the government intervention needs to be.

http://www.theseniorsource.org/pages/about.html

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Again.....amazing.

nailingit — August 29, 2011 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nailingit, you're so cute when you're so vague. In order for a stricter law to be implemented, yes...there's some money spent in the debate time which would be better to spend on that rather than the plight of some minnow in a half-dried up man-made lake developed so the western grebe could carry on with life's rituals...but anyhow, it gives the ombudsmen a chance to have better control on what they are witnessing and could prevent the unnecessary abuse and neglect at these facilities. The ombudsmen's positions are already in place, nailingit. It would just be a strengthening of duties to prevent the problem from metastasizing.

Sorry, but if it were me to make a decision, I would much rather see money spent on helping the elderly rather than money spent on needless, failing special interest projects. It's a juggling act...but there's nobody willing to perform without some special interest group screaming "IT'S UNFAIR!!!."The elderly are not a special interest group. They are ALL of us at one point in our lives and we need to take care of our loved ones and take care of those who don't have any families to help them. Nailingit...why don't you take a tour of a few of the Skilled Nursing Facilities' Memory Care Centers??? It might just open your eyes to what you could be facing.

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I am totally empathic with the needs of seniors. You have no idea. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in people such as yourself whose mantra..."doesn't anyone get it???? We're broke!!! All for government money when it applies to something you care about. How did you vote on the soda tax? It doesn't matter. Your right wing partisanship wreaks with every passing..."I'm just trying to understand things"...unless that cause suits your personal interests.

nailingit — August 29, 2011 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hypocrisy??? Where is my hypocrisy? I see the obvious need for cuts in many areas in the Fed budget as well as adjustment in others. Personal interests when it comes to human rights should always be first on the list, nailingit. Do you find it more important to spend money stopping the sea lions, then pay for federal court costs because the Humane Society says stop killing them, then more court time to reverse the decision and the whole thing going again and again??? Talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars!!! They could save us all a headache and allow controlled hunting of the beasts. I'd rather see the dinero spent on the sea lions at Bonneville to be used on issues such as elderly care or as Gen said in the new forum...foster care. There's a lot of issues which are nonissues, nailingit. Enforcing laws such as Monsanto's patented GM grains getting into a private farmer's field and Monsanto coercing the government into believing they have all rights to that farmer's crop because the wind blew their seeds onto the farmer's land???

Come on Nailingit...get off the high horse and realize this is something we don't need to fight against each other on. We need to fight together to get the right solution. So how about it??? Give me some ideas of what you think NEEDS to be done because right now, nothing in DC IS working!

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

"...nothing in DC is working." Medicare is. You and your ilk want to make it a voucher system.

Social Security can easily be tweaked through means testing. Your party wants to dissolve it. After all...it's just a "ponzi scheme".

Additional revenue is sorely needed. Your party just wants to dump much needed programs.

You advocate for the right wing radical view on here daily, rarely empathetic to any idea or cause that is contrary to GOP talking points.

You advocate for conservative tea party ideals and people, to include the local conservative loudmouthed millionaire's, venom at the ready to those who oppose his point of view.

You voted for Obama? Yeah.................

nailingit — August 29, 2011 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

What's this "YOUR PARTY" talk? Me and my "Ilk" want to make Medicare a voucher system??? I do? Well nailingit...ummm, NO I DON'T. And that Additional Revenue...if it's from China, or if it means taxing the middle and low income people, I don't want it. If it comes from the working class, I don't want it. So where will it come from? My party wants to dissolve SSI? My party I belong to...babyboomers facing retirement within 10-15 years. Sorry, wrong again. I advocate for the Rightwing Radical View on here today? NOPE-just speak my mind. How can I be empathetic to people with trash talk, calling me anything they possibly can because I will speak up and say what I believe and they cannot give me any straight answers without insults?

I advocate for conservative tea party ideals and people? Nooooo. Again, I speak for myself and don't claim any political affiliation but again, that's what you choose to say out of defense to my comments and the obvious urge for insults.

And yes, I voted Obama. I voted Clinton years back and I certainly didn't vote for either Bush. I've also voted for Patty Murray and Brian Baird in the past as well as other Dems...and I haven't seen things working out, Nailingit. Care to explain why that is? Is it the teapartiers who rammed the Twin Towers, kamizakeed into the Pentagon and destroyed the jet over Pennsylvania...only to have the shrapnel fall to the ground where the current memorial sits? Was it the teapartiers who caused Katrina or any other major US disaster or found the necessity to help foreign countries to rebuild after natural disasters? Was it the teapartiers who bankrupted Greece and Spain and France and Italy? Do we blame the teapartiers for the world economic disaster, famine or drought? Need I continue, Nailingit???

Things have happened in the past decade which we haven't witnessed in our lifetimes. To blame one political party for all the problems is just plain ignorant. It is apparent you would rather complain than do something about the issue. I've offered the olive branch to share ideas with you on understanding the issues and possibly both of us sending our concerns to the elected ones in office with a combined effort to prove that people with two absolutely opposing positions could come together to find a solution, but you chose the attack route instead.

Nailingit...you wonder why people who have voted Democrat most of their lives (except for ONE person who was a Repub) are getting discouraged and are looking for other answers in another direction. If you truly believe in the Democratic Process, then attacking those who have asked for several months for answers who in return only got feeble verbal attacks and innuendos, it isn't serving your purpose very well.

You might sit on that thought for a day or so before trying to discuss anything further with me.

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 6:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Right On!!! goldenoldie you are not one to disappoint! Your need to feel victimized and party deniability were predictable, although I did not see the Kamizakeed tea bagging twin tower thing. Priceless! You are exceptionally emotional and quite verbose today. I thought one more avenue for you to vent would be a good thing and serve the populace at large.

I was mistaken. And for that I'm sorry. ;))

All in good humor. Relax! Kick it for awhile and let some GaGa take over!

nailingit — August 29, 2011 at 7:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Victimized? Hardly, Nailingit. When it comes to the situation my friends, my neighbors, even family members are in...it's hard to take such a situation lightheartedly or as you say...in good humor. My relatives have friends who fought the war in Iraq...even lost their lives to the war. I see people every day...just struggling to get by and cutting back like they've never had to do. It breaks my heart watching a young family of today, struggling to find shoes for their children and can't even afford the clearanced ones. It breaks my heart to hear a child cry when they are so hungry and Mommy is beside herself because she can't afford the food to feed him. It breaks my heart to see a young adult struggling to find something of nutritive value for a meal, checking to see if they had enough coins to buy that one item...and it breaks my heart to see someone who is obviously very ill...cannot get the medical help they need.

Nailingit, I see our city streets in disarray due to poor spending habits by our local officials and the obvious problem of expensive fuel and other expenses which shoot many projects out of the sky yet the very same government we've grown to respect wants to plop an $8 billion-dollar project (after interest and other expenses) right onto our laps, telling us WE will have to foot the bill so our fearless leaders in DC can have the super duper corridor of the future to move some other country's freight through the region. Seniors have taken hits against their social (In)security and Medicare. Children aren't getting the shots they need or quality education any more...

and you say it's all in good humor??? No Nailingit, I'm not the victim. USA is the victim and we're still paying for 9/11.

And yes, I do get emotional and I admit it...but it's only because I care, Nailingit. I care about what is happening in our nation and around the world. As far as kicking it...that's no prob, but you can take Gaga music all you want. I'd rather listen to some soft classical music, sitting next to my dear husband and enjoy a wonderful, quiet evening, being thankful to the God I believe in...and just blocking out anything to do with the rest of the world...if only for one evening.

Tonight, I will be saying a special prayer (because it makes me feel better knowing that I'm at least praying in hope that things will get better) for all who are suffering... and tomorrow I will lend a helping hand to someone I care deeply about.

Have a good evening, Nailingit. Till our next sparring.....!!!

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

...and nailingit, I was just responding to each of your statements in your posts at 3:52 and 7:11. So what if they were quite detailed!!!! Nighty night, Nailingit.

goldenoldie — August 29, 2011 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

What a caring and special soul you are....good night goldenoldie. May your tears for the poor not awaken you this starry night. I too pray that you receive a good nights rest, so that your caring and selfless devotion for our societies less fortunate will be less encumbered from a weary mind.

God...may goldenoldie receive a good nights rest, so that she may have the strength to bear the burden of Vancouver's less fortunate, (Vancouver WA..not the one in Canada) as well as America's feckless population. Amen........and that thing about world hunger...that hasn't been taken care of. Remember all the human sufferi.....anyway, just get the old gal a decent night's sleep so she doesn't raise too much hell on these threads. Amen.

nailingit — August 29, 2011 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )