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Thank you. I follow Robert Reich on Twitter but missed this excellent refresher.

buckeye71 — June 1, 2011 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Those of us who understand tech seem to agree on this issue, and those who don't...really, really don't! LOL It'd be funny, if it weren't so sad to watch them gleefully flush themselves down the toilet. It's one thing to make a mistake or do something stupid, but the handful of participants are proudly encouraging the demise of their privacy and security. I even saw an extremely ignorant women proclaiming "finally, no more stalkers" Before, this woman would have been anonymous and totally safe. Now, her full name and a bunch of personal information is out there. Her address can be determined and plotted on a Google map in less than a minute with very little effort. Her comment was completely backwards - only now are people at risk from stalkers.

The stupidity of this infuriates me.

JiveSoulBro — June 1, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I said that with a smile. "Smile" was cut off.

buckeye71 — June 1, 2011 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JiveSoulBro --- I have a Facebook account that I can use. I have it set with tightest security settings but what does that really mean --- not much. Google, Zillow, LinkedIn, etc. are tools that we take for granted today.

I try to follow the rule: Don't send email or any other electronic communication that you wouldn't want to see on the front page of the New York Times or even Columbian.

Allen --- CRC article quotes Joe Cortright. He's one of Mr Madore's resources. I believe he will be presenting at the event on Saturday, June 4.

buckeye71 — June 1, 2011 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Check out the excellent comments by Christina Hemphill:

Glad to see someone pushing for answers to questions that they can't fully and honestly address. A simplistic answer by Lance Haun misleads people into a sense of false security. Information that is currently private can become public at any time, and at that point cannot be taken back. You can't clean up a data spill. Facebook does not care about you or your privacy, the Columbian clearly doesn't care about you or your privacy, and the two of them use each other to profit off of what you mistakenly provide them. What is protected and safe today will not be tomorrow. It's happened before, many times, and it will certainly happen again. The question much data will you let them collect before they screw you?

JiveSoulBro — June 1, 2011 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, our old friend Bob Larimer is already listed as "Top Commenter".....

"[I'm sure The Columbian will still supply a special place where people can extol the virtues of big government, socialism, diversity and world community.][1]"


mr_basil_seal — June 1, 2011 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sadly, it's just a matter of time. There are plenty of nuts in this world, and we definitely have our share locally.


Funny thing is, although I hate social networking, I too have a Facebook account. I have never provided any identifying information beyond my first name, and only use it to observe, never providing it any additional information and certainly never using it to sign into any other website or post any sort of comment. I never post any pictures and try to limit the number of people who know I am on there.

As a result of this, even with a legit Facebook account, the Columbian would consider it fake. You have to really screw yourself in order to be taken seriously. LOL Not happenin'

JiveSoulBro — June 1, 2011 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I think that is hilarious! Regardless of how anyone feels about his politics, there's no denying that he could be considered one of the most prolific and polarizing posters of all time. For him to be back and in full force points out what a spectacular failure this whole Facebook revolution is. I'm quite certain they were hoping people as vocal and extreme as him would be silenced, yet here he is, a top commenter. LOL

JiveSoulBro — June 1, 2011 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bob's doing the 'accuse the left' and then will pronounce such as 'proof' when the C bounces him off - again- for the unfounded accusations and spewed hate speech. A self-fulfilled prophecy.

mr_basil_seal — June 1, 2011 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal



" the Columbian would consider it fake."

Seems their main criteria for 'fake' is lack of friend links and no photo (or photo of a not real person).

And somehow misses the fact that people might signup for FB solely to comment, post no photo, and never 'friend' anyone.

I think that most of the C's reason to move to FB can be found by reading up on monetizing ..... Now we'll wait and see if Bob's rants do as well for the C as that type of commenting / social networking does / did for freep.

Also see:
"What Facebook Is Hiding From You
In their online lives, most people are shielded from viewpoints that do not mesh with their own, making it difficult to build the diverse coalitions that lead to real change."

mr_basil_seal — June 1, 2011 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

saw that article, quite the eye-opener. I found it hard to believe the CSA is so radically different and cheaper the CRC. I also found it hard to believe the CSA debunks all of the CRC data. If the CRC data is that skewed, those people should be arrested and forced to give back the $126 million. According the CSA, the wider bridge will actually make the bottleneck at the Rose Quarter worse. That's what many have been saying on this forum for a long time.

mrd — June 1, 2011 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"I just luuuv that smell of emissions! We need to man up like thatthe there bobbo! I betcha with all that there truuuth bein' spoke by bobbo, he'll be able to see Bellview Mental Health Facility from my window!!!

Hey guys. Basil I thought the same thing! Bobbo is loose and as always this one is on the C. He's like a rabid dog frothing at the mouth! Any "civility" that the Columbian was hoping for, went down the gullet of a large mouth Bass!

This loudmouthed nut that has been banned from commenting on these threads multiple times in the past, is now accepted.

So much for setting a community standard.

Bob crapped on the new carpet the first day! LOL! This even furthers the negative promotional aspect of diarrhea.

His comments are so vile they will keep many of this new generation of thin skinned facebook users from posting. If he was smarter I would have thought he planned it this way.

nailingit — June 1, 2011 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd..I hear you. And for a public official to stop discourse during an open forum to be counseled by the likes of David Madore is more than troubling. A muti-millionaire hard core conservative right wing political activist. At least that's the way he presents himself. Just what we don't need. Working for the public used to mean something in the way of integrity.

I'm not a millionaire. If I was I certainly would not use my status to influence public officials.

And if I were a public official, I certainly would not let someone's 'status' take precedent over the rest of the public.

...could be why I'm neither!

nailingit — June 1, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

^^^^^^^meant to say alley not mrd^^^^^^^^^^

nailingit — June 1, 2011 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

check out some poster named Bob Larimer on the other site. The top commentator, I believe. If he's not attempting to start an arguement, lib/con, I've never seen anyone on this forum do any better. This guy could make a traffic accident a political statement.

I've noticed the "Williamette Week" has much better and more varied articles of local interest than "The Columbian". I'll hang around there (as if anyone cares) but will probably visit that site more often now. As the commentaries seem more relevant, especially those addressing the CRC (why haven't I seen such things on "The Columbian") I'll continue to do so. Madore can have this forum, he can afford to buy it anyway.

Glad "The Columbian" went to this format. Their changes are my gain-I've found a better site, more in tune to local stories. It's wierd a weekly can outdo a daily, but whatever.

mrd — June 1, 2011 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd..larimer has been booted multiple times from the C. It looks they have quite a few facebook folk, but maybe not enough.

nailingit — June 1, 2011 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

More facebook commenting cluelessness from the pit bull article:

· Owner-Operator at Celestial Creations
· Friends with [ name from my real facebook account ]
· Cook/cashier/go-go girl at DQ Grill and Chill

Right there without even stalking them on facebook, all with their face next to their comments.

Yep, that's the way to do it, Columbian.

van_native — June 2, 2011 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

def. A) respectable conservative: One that possesses and professes beliefs which ensure conservation of credibility, critical thinking skills, while continually displaying a lack of understanding of issues at hand.B) a person or persons who embraces a "conservative" ideology dating to pre-Ronald Reagan era (see Ronald McDonald)

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 6:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

def. dumb elitist A) at the date of this publication *94% of all living Republicans. B) a misunderstood and often misused term given to a latent disney character.

*(number based on perceived debauchery and amount of dissident santorum remaining on america's political process.)

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 7:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hi guys, finally found this "forum" area. Did anyone notice that person on the "REAL" discussion area of the "C" using my name and pic? Wonder who that is? Anyway, I see bobbo is up to his regular tricks now he can post his crap again. It will be interesting how they try to control the commentators.

hawkeye — June 2, 2011 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I've noticed a disproportionate amount of comments coming from the hard right. I might have to jump into the fray. It's too bad we are relegated to this 2nd class format and have to weigh security concerns in order to voice our opinion on local and national news with this publication. The math the right produces is always more than fuzzy to compliment their delusions. Speaking of fuzzy...looks like claire666 has made it to her dan'al!

I guess you don't have to use your face on facebook. Huh? What's up with that?!?

I know the voice is hurting for money. It would be nice for another paper to pick up the ball that the 'C' has dropped and have a forum like this in their paper. Advertisers where are you?

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hey guys, glad I finally found the "real" forum."
Saw Bobbie Larimer spouting off via FB, not one new thought in his brain though after all this time. Seems the rightwingers now control the comment section completely. Lefties and moderates semeed to have left.
If that is what the C wants-go for it.
Nailingit-which one is Claire? Want to ensure that i will not set foot in her restaurant-lol.

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey luvithere...just speculation coupled with a very acute sense of intuition..check out the self professed "queen" on the slanted Mitt Romney story the C gifted us with.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The more who give in, the more the Columbian wins. The more radical and unbalanced the comments, the better. It will turn people off and render the Facebook experiment a failure. The more who outright refuse to relinquish their privacy and safety, and come here instead, the more obvious and undeniable the fragmentation will become.

JiveSoulBro — June 2, 2011 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

" a spade a SPADE" This while decrying political correctness and speaking of our President!

In times past the C would have censured such an obvious racial slur.

Hey their a shortage of ashtrays in the facebook columbian world???

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My comment was directed at the "queen of self employed" concerning the front page story.

Again...the Columbian loves to make news rather than just report it.

This paper is running downhill.

I'm white, but I'M about to take this further.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, you might be right about the queen.
I give their FB attempt a few weeks, then people will complain mightily about the total slant and ravings, especially the top poster. Does that man have nothing else to do these days? Second day posting and he is already foaming. Sad really.

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Let's demand a clear face, addresses and phone numbers as well as place of employment be posted as well. It would be time efficient rather than looking through personal info archives the internet has to offer. :=)))

Always nice to be crystal clear as to who are posting such extreme messages of hate.

How about clearing that pic up Queen?????????????

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well yea, Allan, he is. That was clear months ago. pathetic actually, isnt he?

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nice job Columbian. You have allowed an extremist, unemployed bully to take over your comments section. Was that your goal all along?

Funny how you continue to allow a Conservative extremist like Bob Larimer to spew his vitriol speech against anyone that dares to believe differently than he does.

Anyone who conducts business or has a decent job in this area is not going to get on Facebook and debate with him.

Glad you cleaned up you website by shutting out so many posters that leaned to the left.

the_shadow — June 2, 2011 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Shultz,and other conservatives were saying that 30 years ago.

frobert — June 2, 2011 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Like others, I stumbled onto this site for us imposters. Now that I found it, I will keep my eye on it.

tax_payer — June 2, 2011 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I wonder if Golden will find us. Or Fiscaltiger; at least he toned down lately (somewhat).
I do have to say the FB comments are a wonder to read. I already detect a slight stirring with a few commentators getting a bit angry. I am sure the C will stop them soon. Only Bobbo will be allowed to rant there.
I don't miss artimus though, i really don't.

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

didn't photoguy say he has a blog/space for this area also? One that really is private?
I wont boycott for a while as along as we can have this section, but when they start here also and I am convinced they will), I am outta here for good.

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

and did you guys see the rant about graduation at WSU? Maybe the young ones and the universities are more lefties, but I really doubt they said all that crap they were just accused of in LTTE and the comments.
I am at WSU quite often and I can vouch for this just being untrue. That stuff would never fly.

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 4:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Surprisingly enough goldenoldie and I have be in communikay as of late. We've discussed this forum and I encouraged her to post. She contributes much and I hope to see her.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Anybody see this?

*Florida Gov. Rick Scott has signed new legislation requiring welfare applicants to take drug-screening tests.
The new law, which goes into effect July 1, will require the Florida Department of Children and Family Services to perform drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Welfare recipients will be responsible for the cost of the screening, but will regain the money in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the drug test may deligate another person to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.*

I just wish every state would do this.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI...gotta disagree. We don't make politicians piss in a cup so why should we make anyone else. The money that's "pissed away" through welfare folks spending it on dope, is nothing like the billions some of our corrupt politicians and heavy hitters on down misspend. I forgot, how many hundreds of millions are unaccounted for in Iraq and Afghanistan? Two wrongs don't make a right, but second classing human beings and forcing them to pee in a cup because they are down and out just is not right. Means testing would be and is supposed to be a better way to go.

The gov in Florida is a shyster and will profit from this. Watch.

...and good to see you post in here!

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 4:52 p.m.

Great post, ALL states should do this.

Hey EL, how you doin'? How do you feel about all of us outcasts being relegated to the corner? I kinda like it myself, as long as Laimer doesn't get to come in.

hawkeye — June 2, 2011 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat that isn't true, I know for a fact that my husband as a part owner of a business takes a drug test right along with his employees due to what kind of business it is. Many in the same business do also.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, the military has to do these tests, why shouldn't our elected officials? Maybe we the people should bring this up and suggest it. I could make a bet and win there are more drug addicts, prescription addicts that is running the show than not.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I hear you. We test the guy trying to catch a foul ball, but we don't with those that are deciding the future of our nation.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL Hawkeye so I see you have read some of his posts on the OTHER side.

I'm doing a ok Hawk and yourself?
I don't care for what the C has done, it alienates people.
I will not cave into the wiles of the C for no one. I like being able to post my thoughts and my opinion without worrying about the fallout. Not going to put my face out there for every Tom, Dick or Harry to see, nor subject my friends faces and their info to others. Like Facebook does.
To do what the C Has done just shows me that they really don't care about the privacy of their subscribers or their subscribers friends and families. If you think about it, this will/could end up opening a very large law suit against the C.
At least they could have done is make it optional if one wants to use Facebook, Twitter, or the old way of login.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Have any of you figured out yet who is who from the facebook side?
I have already figured out a few, place real name to the old posters
Think I'll make a game of figure out who they all are.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI I know from reading your posts you have people in our Armed Forces. Thank you for that and props to them for their service. I do know that in many cases (and I will just talk about Army and Air Force) Army troops stationed overseas lack a lot of accountability in that department. Certain folks before certain deployments somehow don't pop hot or don't get tested. Not all the time but there has been a lot of controversy in the recent past. European Stars and Stripes have done quite a few stories on it. Air Force seems to be on it more in that department, or at least they were in the last decade.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, I know first hand how it works. I have in past years worked on campaigns and seen how dirty things are done from both sides. and... now that our gov has gotten rid of the primary voting it's going to get even more dirty underhanded.

Every office held in this country needs to have an open door policy, where any citizen can walk in and demand to see records.
Every elected official should have to go through an investigation much like one does for a top secret level in the military before they can run for office.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I guess my point is, if there is one, is that politicians would most likely take cheating on a drug test to a new level!!!

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, I have an active AFNG living next door, my daughter was in the Army, two of my son's friends are in the Navy.
Neighbors does drug tests every 3 months, daughter went through testing every three months when she was in, son's friends, did a test when signed, tested before leaving for bootcamp, tested when arrived at boot, tested after boot, tested again at their schooling, which they just now are wrapping up and have been told will test again after graduation. Tested again when they report to first duty station.
Lets get real here, nailingit, when in a combat zone, no one has the time to run to the dr and be drug tested. Those troops are more into staying alive and watching their battle buddies back than worrying about making it to the dr for a drug test. I think you would be also.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 5:50 p.m

I haven't figured out who is who but I created a "fake" facebook page under this name but I can only see what I posted if I'm signed in to facebook. Also, posts that were there before seem to disappear. Bobbo posted something slamming me and after I replied it got removed. I don't know if he did it or the "C" did it. Also, I saw that post from "The Queen", but I went back to read it again but I don't know where it went. Either they haven't worked out all the kinks or it's just really screwed up.

hawkeye — June 2, 2011 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Don't know what to tell you Hawkeye, I have a facebook account, but I only use it for family and friends. Not going to use it for the C. I have it locked down tight and its going to stay that way. I'll just post here in this forum.

If you look close, George that posts comments to Bobbo is aintnogod...he was easy to figure out...karma and pen outed themselves.

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI --- I have tried to do that also. I don't know any of the individuals. However, I find it interesting that the ones on this current forum are not ones I had blocked with maybe a couple of exceptions. I'm starting over and not blocking any now.
I had not paid much attention to the Columbian until earlier this year shortly before it changed the format and allowed "Ignore User". I liked that because after a short time using "Ignore User" I could follow the narrative of those writers who seemed reasonable to me. If I wanted to read those I blocked, I could do that later. You will notice that isn't included with FB.
I discovered that there were many intelligent and articulate contributors. I had to change my assumptions about Columbian readers and looked forward to reading comments and following up on links. The narrative was smoother.
If you are following the Lew & Larimer Show on FB, it is already toxic with over the top paranoia, extreme religious and political rants. It's like someone opened the floodgates to vitriol and ignorance.
Looking forward to see if you or other contributors can "out" anyone! [smile]

buckeye71 — June 2, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Buckeye71, every single person that posts has their own style.
Certain phrases/words they use over and over, have told a tad about their personal life, many things that give a person away.
One just has to pay attention...

ELISI — June 2, 2011 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Exactly my point. I believe unless someone shows signs of abuse that could effect performance or cause injuries to others drug testing should not take place. I can understand perhaps initial testing depending on profession, after that a violation of civil liberties.

How would everyone feel if every person receiving any kind of gov aid to be tested. Social Security. Medicare,...veterans bennies..they can be called up at a moments notice!

The Government needs to stay out of our personal lives.

It's more than a slippery slope to take a class of people and require they submit their bodily fluids to Big Government.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat and luvithere

Do you think this is the speaker mentioned in today's LTTE? Connie Niva was the speaker at WSU Vancouver. She is an alum.

buckeye71 — June 2, 2011 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat and luvithere

I don't think the LTTE writer has attended many/any graduations.

How dare Ms Niva refer to Sec of Defense, Robert Gates; President Lincoln; Susan B Anthony; and last but not least --- DR SEUSS!!

She said, "You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts."

She congratulated grads in less than 14 seconds.

buckeye71 — June 2, 2011 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

could be. Ha-the nerve to mention global warming etc. No wonder that sets off the rw posters. And to talk about Washington ion less than stellar terms! Thanks for the video. I enjoyed listening; she makes sense.

luvithere — June 2, 2011 at 8:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It is hilarious watching you characters fall all over each other, expressing your anger over the “unfairness” of it all.


Well no, not really.

kn_dalai — June 2, 2011 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal




Ruby Red grapefruit.

Red Delicious apples.

Red grapes.

Red beets.

Red bell peppers.

Red potatoes.


Collard greenswithenvy.


Green beans.


Green Tea.


Obama Hama honey-glazed ham. (Try saying that one three times fast)

Swiss's cheese puffs.

Sharpton cheddar cheese.

Slick Willy’s cold pressed extra virgin olive oil.

Sickle and Hammer baking soda.

Mao’s chop suey.

Uncle Joe’s rice.

Frozen French toast.

Eating Left Multigrain Waffles.

On the Dole pineapple slices.

Apple pie in the sky.

Fidel’s hamburger helper choice #1 complete with noodles.

Fidel’s hamburger helper choice #2 complete with noodles and more noodles.

Neapolitan ice cream.

Molotov’s spicy shrimp cocktail in a jar.

Box of matches.

Red licorice.

Non-white bread.

Hershey’s without.

Progressive soup.

Safeway’s store brand substitute for Oreo cookies.

Suppositories for paranoids.


Mother Jones magazine.

10 watt light bulb.

kn_dalai — June 2, 2011 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I copied Columbian article below from Facebook. I believe the Bin Laden story probably was most read or close and Columbian probably got a spike in newstand sales too. That would be interesting to know. I doubt if many outside of HB staff would buy the paper just for HB article unless they buy the paper regardless of headlines.

I think that the reason the analytics showed the HB story is because it prompted a lot of comments and that includes repeat visits to read the added comments. I believe if the Columbian checks, it will see there were a large number of comments. Of course, I can't check since that info isn't available.

Don't sell readers short. Identify your demographics. You might see that we aren't interested in only local news.

Newstand sales + clicks but few comments vs no impact on newstand sales and many clicks from repeat visitors.

Do you have a way to determine UNDUPLICATED COUNT?

[I admit I don't get national news from Columbian.]

The Columbian
We asked what's most read story was in May. You said "Obama announces Bin Laden is dead." The answer (according to Google analytics)? Herrera Beutler holds first Vancouver town hall. Local news still reigns?

buckeye71 — June 2, 2011 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and the substantive comments from a dumbed down piece of shut the front door Vantucky conservative.

Oh man...these Vantucky CONserves are a hoot!

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 9:48 is in regards to @ 9:43.

Wait a mind numbing moment! I sure can get my liberal wood burning on a hot day.

Did not pay attention to the fine, endearing statements @9:43, which display a Rembrandt like quality, but brushed with the pen from the inkwell of Van Gogh. I like white bread though KND......

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks for the laugh KND. Not to stray from the subject matter where there is none..Godzilla vs Monster Zero is currently playing on The Movie Channel. A classic in every sense of the word.

nailingit — June 2, 2011 at 10:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The first troll! They have never commented before with that name.

Columbian can use this as excuse to not continue this. Will be interesting to see how Columbian reacts. However, there is the Vantucky Conservative factor --- hoot indeed. They probably think it is cute.

buckeye71 — June 2, 2011 at 10:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I take offense to the "red licorice" comment. I like black licorice, myself. Hey, maybe someone can tie that to Obama or maybe a racial reference.

hawkeye — June 2, 2011 at 10:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, I have closed my "fake" facebook page. It seems that they are still trying to control who says what. I made two posts to bobbo jr. and one of them got erased and then he made a smarta
** comment at me and I responded to that and then he erased his own comment leaving me hanging out there looking stupid. They seem to be allowing the commenters to remove their own posts if they want to. It looks for all the world that bobbo jr. is their golden boy.

Good luck with that Lou.

hawkeye — June 3, 2011 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ohhh, I just looked at the other side and the ONLY person to post is "TCB", (thanks Allen). BIG turnout and real comments HUGE success Lou. Good for you.

hawkeye — June 3, 2011 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat-Your last paragraph brings John Lennon's Imagine album to light. I agree. We need the Voice in one way or another. It's obvious the C is influenced with power and big money...perhaps the Voice could be influenced or bought with progressive money, in the sense of keeping it a float and spreading a progressive message. I know I don't have the cash reserves to invest in this and it appears no one else is willing. I think with the Columbian going to FaceBook it was a two for oner with a few people. Why spend money creating your own media outlet when you have the cities paper on your side? ;=)

Determinate on the publication, I would donate my time working with a news org. In exchange I'd want my own rant corner in order to correct the directional flow of the Universe when needed!

My first column would be past lives, and how they would look today.

The Guv of Wisconsin could pass as a cross between Soupy Sales and Gomer Pyle. I'd call my feature...Cross Jesting!

nailingit — June 3, 2011 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye- I wish success for this paper but don't believe they are going to find it this way. The nuts on the right will scream printable profanities until their spiritual elders admonish them to show a little kindness when shouting demeaning insults and racial slurs. That will last a few minutes after they get out of church and then continue once again, with the faux leaders leading the way! People on the left and center have issues in this area, but the right is rabid!

I think I've tied a couple of local businesses to one or two of these over the top nut jobs. I'm thinking about a facebook account just to call them out to inquire if their employer agrees and promotes their trash. If they own their own business all the better. In 2010 the Republicans local and national created a false anarchy to get the baggers elected.

Perhaps it's time for some genuine anarchy. Let these people who stick their chin out take a hit and see if they have a glass jaw.

I'll make sure I have my shop-vac handy.

Looks like a beautiful day out and am going to take advantage of it. To all peace.

I will say the conversations on this thread have been great. I guess a good aspect is that some are posting on FB, and it is making this a better place to converse.

For now anyway... LOL!

nailingit — June 3, 2011 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

buckeye71-This paper continues to create the news rather than just supplying it.

A few of the EGO'S at this paper must be enormous..that mixed with a crapload of need and insecurity.

We really do need another voice in this community.

nailingit — June 3, 2011 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's a link to an excellent blog that originates in Portland. Many comments refer to the area of Portland you mentioned.

Jack Bogdanski is the creator of the blog. He is a tax law professor at Lewis & Clark. He and the contributors provide independent thinking on many subjects including sports, music, politics, etc. with humor and more than a little snark sometimes. They take on Portland establishment, developers, planners, etc.

buckeye71 — June 3, 2011 at 8:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...check the all politics is local blog in dog bites Mayor. LewWaters had his A handed to him by the Mayor!!LOL!

...and Lew doesn't even live in Vancouver. Interesting.

They should rename it Mayor uses local Waters as a pissing ground!

nailingit — June 3, 2011 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen and nailingit

I think Nigel Jaquiss at Willamette Week has a lot of credibility. He has a good track record. This gives an alternate view of the CRC project in some depth. However, I don't feel comfortable that Joe Cortland is so aligned with Mr Madore.

I'm tempted to go to the Mr Madore sponsored event tomorrow knowing it will be one-sided. Can't imagine it would be the place for getting an unbiased presentation of the facts. Mr Madore et al. are using this for organizing for their political goals. I think we might agree on that regardless of where we stand on the bridge issue. I don't know any of these people but I watch the City Council, Board of Commissioners, etc. on CVTV.

buckeye71 — June 3, 2011 at 9:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*We could put most of the unemployed Americans to work by fixing our national infrastructure. Unfortunately, politicians can't see things logically.
Allen — June 3, 2011 at 10:46 a.m*

Allen I disagree. What unemployed American that has a BA or MA say in medicine or Law enforcement would work in construction of the infrastructure? What Joe/Chloette Blow that has worked in retail their entire career would work in construction? or a CPA, Jewelry salesperson, Stock broker?? None.

In order for a business to be able to hire, create jobs is by lower tax rate, less fees etc. Higher taxes and fees yes, are passed on to the consumer, but if you can't make a profit to hire new people to cover their wages, pay your business taxes and the bills that are generated, you either close your doors or you lay people off and work with a skeleton crew.
Businesses are struggling now with higher prices, people are buying less. The less people buy, cuts into profits therefore the business has no choice then to lay people off to keep the doors open.
I had a chance to talk with one of the managers of one of the Hollywood videos here in Vancouver just before they closed the doors. The very fact that the owners of the buildings that Hollywood rented refused to work with them and lower the rent caused the closure of many of them. When they could no longer generate enough business through their rentals to keep up with rent, bills and wages they had no choice but to close.

ELISI — June 3, 2011 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen, the trouble with it also is so many of the young think those kind of jobs are beneath them. They have been fed bs in school to think that only a degree and high level job is the only way to go. I know teachers in the Evergreen system that had to go before the school board and fight to keep wood shop, metal shop etc. They wanted them to see that not everyone gets to go to college and the need we have as a country for people to work jobs using those skills.
My son has talked to many older close to retiring people who are welders, plumbers, wood workers, electricians, and construction workers that have told him they are a dying breed. No one to take their place in those jobs. Our country can not continue without those jobs, they are the backbone that help make this country.

ELISI — June 3, 2011 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — June 3, 2011 at 12:30 p.m

You are 100% correct. I know electricians that are working far past their retirements because there are no apprentices to take their place. Plumbers are the same. This is really sad. When I was in high school, I went to Benson in Portland and we put out grads that could go right into their field and start work the day after graduation. Now, the school board has cut the school off at the knees and without a decent budget they are lucky to graduate a basket weaver. Education is what's wrong with this country, we need to teach our kids actual skills or we WILL fail miserably.

hawkeye — June 3, 2011 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye I agree. What are people going to do when they need a plumber, welder, electrician or even a tv repair person and there are none?
What then?
America needs to take a look at Germany and their trade school program. But, then again, in this country those that scream equality would be shouting down the house if this country ever tried to do what Germany does. Look it up sometime and check it out. I think we might be able to pull this country out of the down slide if we were to go the same route Germany has.

ELISI — June 3, 2011 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi, I am from Germany. I know the apprentice program very well. I say for the most part it is GREAT. However, they make them go though this even for simple things, and even to sell clothes as a shop girl you need to go thru school etc etc. That goes way way overboard. So we need to strike a real balance here. But again, our kids over there, if they decide against college, will learn a trade, that's for sure. But you can't tell that to the good old USA, because too many on right will scream that Europe is failing anyway. Well, Germany got itself out of its mess and is doing very well again.
Alleycat-yea, count me in if we have a space for ourselves somewhere where we can discuss. I said yesterday photoguy's place seems to be a good start. Hoping he finds us here soon. Same with Goldie. Now to enjoy sun!

luvithere — June 3, 2011 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

everyone claims businesses require tax breaks, less regulation, blah, blah, blah. what businesses need-including mine-are more customers. have enough customers, those other things become less important. businesses will always gripe about regulations, insurance, basically the cost of doing business. again, with sufficient cash flow, ie, customers, a business can thrive and survive. i suspect most businesses, especially those that get Don Brunell's ear, sing a tune of these items stifling hiring. that for the most part is a ruse. their desire is for more profits, which is understandable. i was gm for a small business in portland for many years. when the price of steel dropped, the selling price did only if the other guy dropped prices. i doubt any savings to businesses due to easing of taxes or regulations will be passed onto the consumer until neccessary.

from 2003-2005, construction jobs were going unfilled. even at very good wages, there simply weren't enough workers. taco bell on hwy 500 @thurston way had a sign up offering $15/hr for the nite shift. although the source of some this money in consumer's pockets was for the most part dubious, it does illustrate the fact if you have enough people spending money, our economy will move. but, right know, there simply are no jobs to create that spending, and from what i see, none on the horizon. without jobs, there's no need to produce skilled labor. even some college graduates aren't in demand. engineering, software design, etc, are but a liberal arts degree is hardly worth the paper it's written on.

businesses are simply following the same pattern of the 1981 recession, driving down wages, benefits, and taking on unions. when jobs are plentiful, wages and benefits will rise, but will be far enough behind the curve to ensure good profits. that's just the way it is.

mrd — June 3, 2011 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Columbian removed my post from this morning where I said two of my previous posts were removed. However, your reply to me is still here. 8:28

I was not in the least offensive --- just stated the facts that two posts were removed.

Interesting way to encourage participation.

buckeye71 — June 3, 2011 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yep webmaster. You might want to consider reversing the order so that the last entries are on the top.

kn_dalai — June 3, 2011 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

An original screenplay by KN Dalai.

The cast: Boris Basil, the head of the task force organizing the big upcoming people’s rally; Ilikenailinpalin, in charge of procurement; Vladimir “Chief” Catnipovich, in charge of security; Leonid Fallsdownalotonov, the bartender.
The setting: a rural pub somewhere just outside of Moscow. Boris Basil, Ilikenailinpalin and the Chief, are sitting at a round wooden table discussing their plans for organizing the upcoming rally.

Boris Basil: So good comrade Ilikenailinpalin, you have made arrangements for procuring party hats and noise makers for big rally Saturday next week, no?
Ilikenailinpalin: No.
Boris Basil: WHAT!
Ilikenailinpalin: Have run into problem. People’s factory number 57 is one that makes party hats and noise makers.
Boris Basil: So?
Ilikenailinpalin: People’s factory number 57 is shut down. Machine breakdown. Nothing working. Waiting for Moscow to make things work.
Boris Basil: I thought manager of People’s factory number 57 was in charge.
Ilikenailinpalin: Manager of People’s factory number 57 is drunk on cheap Soviet vodka. Says it all pays same anyway so why bother. Will wait for party bigwigs in Moscow to figure big fix.
Boris Basil: Then we will have to buy from Americans.
Ilikenailinpalin: But we have no money!
Boris Basil: Then we will steal from Americans! HA!
Ilikenailinpalin: HAHA!
All three: AHHH…HAHAHA!

Boris Basil calls out across the bar to Leonid Fallsdownalotonov.

Boris Basil: Hey…comrade Fallsdownalotonov…bring some good rooskey brewsky.
Fallsdownalotonov: Okay!
Chief: How he get a name like that, anyway?
Boris Basil: You’ll see. Now, next thing is…
Chief: WAIT!
Boris Basil: Yes?
Chief: Just remember, Saturday next week big riots by people. Much destruction.
Boris Basil: OH NO! How you know this.
Chief: Prominent soothsayer on National People’s Radio say so. Must have big rally on Friday instead.
Boris Basil: AH…HAHA! Good thinking comrade the Chief. Will have big rally on Friday instead.
Chief: O.K.
Ilikenailinpalin: Good!

Boris Basil looks warily at Ilikenailinpalin and slowly begins to speak.

Boris Basil: Commmrrradddde. Ilikenailinpalin does not sound like good Russian name. Just what kind of name it is?
Ilikenailinpalin: It is American.
Boris Basil: WHAT!
Chief: OMG! Wait…am not allowed to believe in God…I mean: OH NO!
Ilikenailinpalin: Yes, is true. I once started movement to ban Republican Party. But American government would not go along. So, I move to good totalitarian Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, where government know how to get things done!
Boris Basil: Very Good! HA! HAHAHA!
Chief: HAHAHA!
All Three: AH…HAHAHA!

Fallsdownalotonov arrives at the table and serves Boris Basil, Ilikenailinpalin and the Chief. As he turns and walks away, for no apparent reason he falls and lands on the top of his head.

kn_dalai — June 3, 2011 at 9:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Chief: WHAT THE…
Ilikenailinpalin: OH NO!
Boris Basil: YES. Is sad story. Comrade Fallsdownalotonov was scheduled to have brain surgery at hospital. His brain surgeon was suddenly called away on big emergency. So some other doctor did operation.
Chief: And other doctor was not a good brain surgeon?
Boris Basil: Other doctor was not brain surgeon. Other doctor was podiatrist.
Ilikenailinpalin: WHAT!
Chief: WHAT!
Boris Basil: Hospital administrator said waiting list was already too long. Could not afford the time to reschedule, so told podiatrist to do the best he could. So sad. Now, Fallsdownalotonov has sudden urges to walk on head.
Chief: Oh no.
Ilikenailinpalin: Yes, but at least every good Soviet comrade receives treatment from doctor.
Boris Basil: I like your attitude Ilikenailinpalin. HAHA!
Chief: HA!
All Three: AH…HAHAHA!
Boris Basil: Now, next thing is…
Chief: WAIT!
Boris Basil: WHAT?
Chief: Just remembered. Friday next week, big wind storms, buildings ruined, much destruction.
Chief: People’s National Weather Service has noted much hot air coming from Moscow Politburo big shots.
Boris Basil: So?
Chief: Everyone knows…when hot air and cold air meet, much wind created. Big destruction. Should move big rally to Thursday.
Boris Basil: Thursday?
Chief: Yes!
Boris Basil: O.K.
Ilikenailinpalin: Good.
Chief: Good.
Boris Basil: Ilikenailinpalin: how is arrangements for speakers and performers coming?
Ilikenailinpalin: Is good. Good Soviet Marxist economist will give rousing speech about how there is only so much money in world. Obviously, central planning government is required to figure out what everyone deserves. Will explain how simple this is to do with good understanding of labor input and good mathematical formulas to decide the value of stuff. Stupid Americans think wealth is created and expanded by invention, innovation and entrepreneurship. Capitalist profits are stupid! Free markets! HA!
Boris Basil: HA!
Chief: HAHA!
All Three: AH…HAHAHA!
Ilikenailinpalin: Then big finale will be Soviet superstar Bruce Springsky, singing his “Born in U.S.S.R.!”
Boris Basil: OH WOW! I love that old Russian folk song!
Ilikenailinpalin: Me Too!
Chief: WAIT!
Boris Basil: NOW WHAT!
Chief: Just remembered!
Boris Basil: YES?

kn_dalai — June 3, 2011 at 9:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Chief: Thursday next week… END OF WORLD!
Boris Basil: WHAT!
Ilikenailinpalin: OH NO!
Chief: YES! Fire fall from sky! Ground open up! Bad! VERY BAD! It is written!

Boris Basil strokes his chin in deep thought, and then has an inspired idea.

Chief: OKAY!

In an emotional display of triumphant exultation, Boris Basil strikes the table with his fist. The table then starts to falls apart.

Ilikenailinpalin: WAIT! DON’T…. OOOOH NO!
Boris Basil: WHAT THE…
Ilikenailinpalin: I was afraid of that. Table made in People’s Factory number 92.
Boris Basil: So?
Ilikenailinpalin: People’s Factory number 92 ran out of screws.
Boris Basil: How come?
Ilikenailinpalin: Don’t ask.
Boris Basil: So why not buy high quality screws from Americans?
Ilikenailinpalin: American capitalists want too much for their high quality screws. So People’s factory number 92 used Juicy Fruit gum to stick stuff together.
Boris Basil: Why did not good comrades use good Soviet made chewing gum instead?
Ilikenailinpalin: Soviet made chewing gum tastes like dirty socks.
Boris Basil: Oh.
Chief: I like Juicy Fruit.
Boris Basil: Hey. Have you been watching American movies?
Chief: Well…
Boris Basil: Don’t worry. I do too. I can only stomach so much of that Bolshoi Ballet BS.
All Three: AH…HAHAHA!
Boris Basil: Good comrades! Let us celebrate our good achievement!

The three comrades then join together in a good old fashioned Cossack dance.

[See sneak preview of movie trailer. There are 10 possible alternative endings. Vote for your favorite.][1]

The End.


kn_dalai — June 3, 2011 at 9:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This site has always been bad on recognizing formats.

Single lines get run all together.

kn_dalai — June 3, 2011 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I see the post I made here yesterday has also been removed. I therefore repeat my assertion that the real reason for the new facebook policy is that the real power in this city, AKA Vancouver Vitality, is feeling threatened. Their pet projects were receiving far to much criticism. The CRC is another example of why dissent was silenced. Way too much profit at stake to allow critics their soapbox. Most recently it was the proposed stadium that was under attack. How dare they say anything against baseball!
And in one fell swoop, all the inconvenient critics were silenced.
I find it rather humorous to see the facebook posters are already putting themselves at risk. "It's a beautiful day, I think I'll drive to the coast." That's an open invitation to COME BURGLARIZE MY HOUSE. They have your name. They know you're going to be gone.
Shame on the Columbian for enabling that.

willbridge — June 3, 2011 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Columbian has made a sound decision.

It has offered the best of both worlds to commenters.

There are those who might like to add something, but are reticent to do so over issues of Cyber-bulliying.

Facebook allows those individuals to make statements in the same way that LTTE writers do. While still allowing others to post anonymously in the “forum” section. It’s really none of your business to admonish others who do not follow your mold. Typical totalitarian mindset.

Funny to note, how the vast majority of commenters on this new forum, are you leftist characters.

Says something about the totalitarian paradigm of the left.


kn_dalai — June 3, 2011 at 11:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'll "admonish" whoever I darn well please, kn_dalai. And BTW, I am SO not a leftist.

willbridge — June 3, 2011 at 11:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"BRILLIANT!!!..says the Wall Street Journal of 'The Good Old Days' , the latest theatrical presentation from kn_dalai....."A WORK OF ART!"..states Forbes Magazine. "Pure unadulterated Communi-kay from the spirit world of Brezhnev herself!!" says Steve Forbes.......In the category of not endorsing playwrights after their backing of GlennSanity's screenplay and performance in 'True Grit', a failed but rewarding nail-biter, kn_dalai seems to have garnered the accolades and attention of none other than 'The Heritage Foundation'. Wink Martindale, head thinker in the FairBanksDivision, said 'The Good Old Days' delivered the baking soda, and while serving the Bolshoi, hits the Marx!

Check out this July's Playboy Magazine which will present an in depth interview with llikenailinpalin. Among other controversial subjects, llikenailinpalin will discuss his on going negotiations with FOXmoviecorp to have George Clooney play his role. IIikenailinpalin considers Mr. Clooney to accurately present the idea of 'What If', an upcoming reality show featuring the hard crock group, 'Unlived Realities'.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 12:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

'A Gem of a Jam' gets my vote! Brilliant write kn_dalai.

As far as the best of both worlds, I have been thinking in that vein as well.

You can really 'capture the moment' with your writes. Bravo!

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 12:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This is the first time these charges [Edwards] have ever been used. Ensign and Coburn for assisting Ensign should also be charged in addition to O'Donnell in DE. O'Donnell has used campaign funds for living expenses during more than one campaign.
However, I want Edwards to never have a moment of peace whether incarcerated or not.

Thomas should be recusing himself from any health care arguments at the very least. Did you watch the hearings when he was first appointed to SCOTUS? Here's some info on why I think he is ethically challenged:

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Do you think she will start having her Town Hall meetings in churches [private property] in her district? Others around the country are doing that. We can fill in the blanks as to why they make that choice.

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 8:39 a.m

Wouldn't that violate the separation between church and state?

hawkeye — June 4, 2011 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye and Allen

Huh? Separation of church and state? Have you been paying attention? [smh] Haven't you seen the municipalities that post the Ten Commandments in the courthouse? Why do you think there is such an emphasis on social issues since this Congress arrived in January? See Allen's comments above. Why all the intrusions into law-abiding citizens' private lives?

April Town Hall by Rep West in FL [Comments from FDL website --- I am not a supporter of FDL.]

West designed the whole Town Hall location and format so that he could get rid of pesky people who didn’t agree with him.
1) He chooses a hall that is a private facility (a church) so that he can evict someone for trespassing.

2) Questions are limited to writing. In a large crowd if you want to talk you need to shout to be heard. The optics of that means you MUST shout. When you shout you look angry and that could lead to a RIOT! (BTW, look at the police report on GottaLaff’s site to see that is exactly how they wrote it up.)

3)West’s people work very hard to “control the box” (the venue and all that goes into it)so that he ‘wins’ the event. All politicians want to do this, ones that are less skilled need to use tricks like West.

Here is the complete link:

This is just one example.

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of ethics --- Using Legacy of Watergate, John Dean to Teach Ethics

Last paragraph:

Legal ethics requirements are not the only reforms inspired by Watergate. Congress toughened federal election finance laws, authorized the creation of independent prosecutors, loosened the bonds of government secrecy and tightened the president’s powers to go to war without Congressional approval. “All those things have largely gone away,” Mr. Dean said, undercut over time by actions of the executive, legislative and judicial branches. Even the surge in investigative journalism in the wake of Watergate has ebbed, Mr. Dean noted, as newsroom budgets shrink. The upgraded legal ethics rules, he said, are “the only lasting legacy of Watergate.”;

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Umm Allen??? Who or what is TCB? My brain is in slow motion mode

ELISI — June 4, 2011 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh and Allen, Bobbo IMO is no more abrasive and extremist than LarryLittle was.

ELISI — June 4, 2011 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Jeers and Cheers**

Cheers>>> to those business leaders that give so much back to our community. Their generous contributions will help offset the extreme measures our local Gov has taken because we are "broke". These millions of dollars in tax breaks our local businesses receive in order to line their pockets and transport operations to include their own personnel will no doubt attribute to the on going philosophy of Hebrews 11:1.

Jeers>>> to the Columbian for isolating a poster's comments, and sharply criticizing them in a forum in which they know that person will not respond. There is a term involving fowl fecal matter to describe cowardice, but I will refrain in hopes of retaining a lack of censorship with my current remarks.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 11:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Have any of you read this yet? It was a "Friday news dump" piece. Washington State DSHS is having to pay $7.3 million to settle this abuse travesty.

Not one comment from the Facebookers.

I am absolutely appalled that DSHS could allow such abuse to go on, exposing the state to such extraordinary financial loss during this economic hardship.

manthou — June 4, 2011 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou, your are right it is appalling that abuse is allow in any state's DSHS program.
I know someone that was a DSHS worker and what she found so many times was neglect, and sexual abuse. These homes are supposed be certified by the state for a safe haven for these children. Someone in DSHS is falling down on their job.
My friend felt so compelled that she quit her job at her states DSHS to foster a child that had become one of her wards. This child by the time she was 4 yrs old had been sexually abused by her parents, they sold her body to other sexual deviants for drugs. The two foster homes she was placed in she was also sexually abused. My friend and her husband fostered this child from age 4 until she was 16, when the state where they lived decided she needed to be placed in another home geared more to her age. This girl ended her life before she turned 18.
But I also know of another couple that has fostered more than 35 children to date. Ended up adopting 7 of those they had fostered. You could not ask for better foster parents in either case I point out.
Many times it isn't the foster parents, in the cases such as the one in the article it is DSHS failing to do their job.

ELISI — June 4, 2011 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou-I just read some articles at the time it happened. A big question is why this perv qualified to begin with. So many years of abuse...the article said CPS was called several times but could not make anything stick. You would think with the extreme abuse to include keeping them drugged, a few visits in a short time could have spotted this. And here we are in an all too often familiar scenario.

They arrested him during choir practice at the local Christian church.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And good to see you post manthou! I don't think this forum will be available much longer. The powers that be will want this silenced also. Another Brick In The Wall. One brick at a time.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

86 degrees --- clear skies --- and --- wait for it ----

Pink Floyd!!!!

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It doesn't get any better than Pink Floyd Buckeye71! Danke!

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

They arrested him during choir practice at the local Christian church.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 4:37 p.m

Have you thought just for one moment that sick freaks like the one in the article that manthou shared used the church to say, hide behind? Probably/most likely thought by going to a church and pretense of being a member would throw off any suspicions of what he really was doing? Happens everyday. Not only in civilian life but also with our own politicians...Edwards is just one that comes to mind, he may not have abused a child, but he did his wife by doing what he did and professing to a up stand Christian family man.

ELISI — June 4, 2011 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi: Yes, there are many more good foster parents than bad. These high-profile cases are rare. So sad.

nailingit: Do you really think the C is gonna shut its version of Australia down? We're the criminal/subversive element, it seems. The point of this banishment is to leave us alone and let us all duke it out verbally until we drop, dontcha think? However, IMHO,the conversation on here is reasonable and interesting. And, dare I say, popular?

I did note that the Facebook crowd is ganging up on one poster, complaining about the content and tone. Same ol' same ol'. Even the politicians are joining in to gripe about it(think Jack Burkman). The more things c'est la meme chose!

buckeye71: Loved the Pink Floyd link!

manthou — June 4, 2011 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI-Of course they use the church to hide behind. With few exceptions churches tend not to promote child rape. Church members are widely accepted within their circles at face value, as being honest, good, and trustworthy, as long as they attend, say the Right things and give a good portion of their income up. After all, they have much in common. A sense of pride exists within the Christian movement, that pride that says 'I'm' one of God's chosen, that the God that 'I' believe in is the one and only true God that exists. How 'I', who became "chosen" for doing nothing more than say, uttering a few words with the promise of riches and a kingdom. And others, by reciting the bible, a Tora, a pearl, a cross, a mosque, three dogs playing poker with their 'I' privy to knowledge, and anyone that disagrees is wrong. Period. When God gives a gift of "salvation", promises a blessed eternal existence, 7 levels to include 72 virginal bagels with a paternal lox box. Just because. Ain't nobody, no how, is gonna take that away from me nobody now that's right yessireeee.

I believe from that pride, that 'sense of entitlement' produces everything ugly at an accelerated rate. Predators in churches have a field day sucking up unwarranted trust from sheep "blinded by the light", giving them opportunity, victims, shelter, power and with the victimizer I suppose it's all good. Cause all he has to do is ask forgiveness. Right?

A lot of good people attend church. A lot of good people attend a football game.

Why is it when it comes to protecting the most innocent and helpless in our society,

more times than not it's 4th down and cards fall to the foe.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou.."version of Australia" LOL! Speaking of devalued pride, the C seems to have much. I don't think they appreciate dissenting voices, and come a few months before the election or sooner, they will shut this down to silence those that have strong, well thought opinions that are contrary to the money that is keeping this paper alive. My guess is they will use one of their anonymous employee posts to say something destructive and use it to justify further censorship. Not to sound paranoid LOL!

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.

I looked at their Farcebook rant about the "change" and Lou was glowing about how wonderful it and he was. It made me sick. I wanted to slam him and all the other gladhanders patting each other on their virtual backs and talking about how nice it is that "we" are no longer there. When they take this away, they will lose any support I had for them. I will truly be disappointed. They think they are being progressive when in fact they are creating more discontent.

hawkeye — June 4, 2011 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

> My guess is they will use one of their anonymous employee posts to say something destructive and use it to justify further censorship. Not to sound paranoid LOL! -- nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.

Come now losingit. "not to sound paranoid" What? Har Har!

> I thinkest zee lady dothest protestest too mucheth -- Act 3, scene 2, Himlet by kn_dalai

LOL. You assume the C is Rightest, and then you assume the C is scared of people like you.

Really quite unbelievable. Then again, considering the paranoia of the paranoid left....

Oh BTW, thank you for your KiND comments of 12:30 a.m.

kn_dalai — June 4, 2011 at 9:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- In the suggest a forum JiveSoulBro and manthou's posts sum things up in an adult way that far too often I'm incapable of. Extremely rational and well thought out. And to read Lou's column and berate the Chief like he did, didn't set to well with me. I'll be polite and say it wasn't too classy. Lou uses his bully pulpit to insult those that won't respond through facebook. A different sort of abuse, but abuse nonetheless. Sometimes I feel more than childish bitching about anything virtual myself! What's happened to my life?!? AHHHHGGGG!!!! The way things are now, works out pretty well for me. I get to spout my nonsensical jibberish and don't have to cow tow to a subject line! Having said that, Lou should work out a time on these threads to address those he try's to humiliate. In the words of Sister Sarah...

...time too man up Loooouu, .....we don't care to see snipes and insults from our windows...or in my case Mac

Lou swiped at goldenoldie as well right before....the lights went out, and the dank rank guttural utterances of Larimer went public...once again.. Readers that have contributed somewhat to the paper for quite a while, are demeaned and vilified, while those that have been banned multiple times in the past for posting their extremities between their shoulder blades for all too see, are embraced.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Knd...the c knowest no fear, and certainly none from me. The wheels to this fb format seemingly got put on the track a few months ago when "thunderous calls" were made for the anonymous to out themselves.. After Jaime's town hall after party got started, so did the change as it was brought to point during that thread. The negative comments far out weighed the good, and this time there was a different reality to it. Then again I see the dead and often have visions of Heather Locklear dropping to her feet and taking my hand in marriage.

There is some power when collective opinion is voiced. Especially when the Vantucky conservatives and others voice opinion on light rail and such. Not a question of fear so much that it's a question of suppressing opposing views for whatever reason. Our local politicians as with most, seek not only to cling to their guns and religion...but also their jobs.;)

In my most humble opinion kn_alai.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Who is the Chief?

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — June 4, 2011 at 8:35 p.m

I found him to be salivating like a dog over a juicy bone.
Dogs have to learn their place, his training has just

ELISI — June 4, 2011 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

buckeye71 @ 9:45 Chief Catnipovich, The third cast member mentioned in the prolog of 'The Good Old Days', beginning at 9:54, loosely based on the perceived persona of alleycat!

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bedtime reading tonight:

Hilarious satire.

Peace, all.

manthou — June 4, 2011 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit and Hawkeye
Are any of you on Twitter? If you are selective about whom you follow, you can get various perspectives on today's issues. Each tweet is limited to 140 characters.

I'm on Twitter and Facebook. If you aren't following Roger Ebert on Twitter and/or Facebook, you're missing some excellent writing on a variety of subjects not just films.

Warning: Twitter can become addictive. [smile]

Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel. [Source unknown]
We're just getting to play in his sandbox at his whim. That's not paranoia --- just the facts. We are uninvited guests. Fish and guests smell after three days.

I hadn't thought about the Australia analogy. I was thinking more along the lines of being relegated to the back of the "ski bus" or the "band bus".

[I hope you understand this is all in good humor.]

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and your good humor is appreciated! Not on either but am seriously considering going in that direction buckeye71.

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 10:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Funny stuff. Thanks for the link manthou!

nailingit — June 4, 2011 at 10:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hope you haven't overlooked this thoughtful post above including the link.

Posted by
mr_basil_seal — June 1, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.

buckeye71 — June 4, 2011 at 10:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, Lou and Columbian, I ignored the complaints of other people who objected to the Facebook transition and created my own account. I set privacy settings to most stringent and sat back and waited to see what happened. And I don't like it. I've got several hundred people I might know listed, many who I've never heard of. I clicked on several, and finally figured out what was going on. Facebook has gone through my Hotmail Saved e-mails and screened to see if they have Facebook accounts. If they do, then I get them added to my might know listing. And then Facebook goes through their Friends listing and also posts these people to my page. So, if I chose to, I could pretty much spy on my wife, son, co-worker, and a few other people I know merely by tracking who they communicate with.

Sorry, but I don't like this. I would have no problem putting my entire real name on these submissions, but I'm not willing to play the "my life is an open book" game that it appears using Facebook will result in. So, I deactivated my Facebook account. And if any of you more savvy users can let me know how to delete it entirely, I'd appreciate it.

roger — June 5, 2011 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

buckeye71: It took me awhile to scroll up to find Basil's link, so I will post it again here:

Thank you for drawing new attention to it. It makes so many good points worthy of further discussion. Using Maslow's Hierarchy to explain the surge in political activism of the late 60's was something I had never considered. The idea that we cannot inspire change by isolating ourselves with like-minded individuals all day makes perfect sense.

I am putting Eli Pariser's "The Filter Bubble" on my summer reading list!

manthou — June 5, 2011 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: About a year ago, I successfully deleted my short-lived Facebook account. It is a process that takes about 2 weeks. For the same reasons you mention and more, I wanted off the merry-go-round. Go to Facebook's Help Center and click on the link to "How dow I permanently delete my account."

buckeye71: You jokingly gave a warning that Twitter is addicting at 10:11 PM last night. I truly believe that research is going to show, if it has not already, that our reliance on Tweets, Facebook, internet forums like this, stimulate the same neural pathways in the brain that keep subtance abusers hooked.

manthou — June 5, 2011 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

John Laird started a new discussion on Washington's supermajority requirement. He actually supports it, primarily because we've voted on and approved it four times. He also makes a couple of negative comments about Democrats trying to figure a way around this.

Maybe this is why I like most of John's discussions. He's apparently a liberal Democrat, but at least he's honest enough to take the other side when called for.

roger — June 5, 2011 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If you noticed that when you click on the avatar of those who posts via FB, it will show the list of their friends and family.
By allowing that listing, opens everyone on your list of friends/family and their friends/family and on and on to an array of problems.

ELISI — June 5, 2011 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, the firefighters do their grocery shopping while on duty. If you'd have noticed they also carry their walkies with them in case a call comes in. I have no problem with them doing this, we all need to eat and so do they. It's not like they shop daily, each shift will do days of shopping. I understand most shifts are 3 days on, so yep, they need 3 days worth of supplies. In the 32 yrs I have lived here near 2 fire stations I have never seen the fire personal ever spend more than 15 mins in store shopping. They split up and move quickly, meet back at check out and go.

ELISI — June 5, 2011 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Every time I have seen them in store, they are headed back to the station after a call, an inspection of a business, school, or have been at a school to share the truck etc. They can not send just one person to the store, they are a unit, a team, if a call comes in, that unit moves together, they can not wait until someone returns to go. Where one goes, they all go with the equipment.

ELISI — June 5, 2011 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think you may be right re:

I truly believe that research is going to show, if it has not already, that our reliance on Tweets, Facebook, internet forums like this, stimulate the same neural pathways in the brain that keep subtance abusers hooked.

The gateway drug for me has been a laptop! There is increasing research on social media addiction. I had never considered it in relation to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. I just thought of the waste of time and productivity similar to WOW addicts except you can be adding to your knowledge. [I'm watching the French Open while I write so no time wasted.]

My summer reading includes:

Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

The Greater Journey: Americans in Paris by David McCullough

buckeye71 — June 5, 2011 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

About one year ago the Columbian ran an article about the local fire departments around the time that union negotiations were going on. Either the Columbian or a citizen posting a comment mentioned the call back pay firefighters received and suggested that staffing was deliberately adjusted to allow staff to collect huge amounts of overtime pay.

I was working at that time with a support staff person whose position with the fire department was eliminated. I asked if this was true. The answer to the question was that it was common for a fire fighter who needed extra money, say for a home remodel or needed to boost their pay for retirement to request someone call in sick so that they could collect the overtime.

I would not suggest that this is the majority of staff that would do this, but I think it is prevalent enough to add 25-30% of the overtime figure. Like every group, it only takes a
few to tarnish the good work of the many.

pineywoman1 — June 5, 2011 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It's hard to find fault with firemen and policemen - especially as when we need them, we'll be highly pissed if they don't show in a timely manner.

The only apparent waste I can see is a fire truck showing up for every call, when paramedics are the only requirement. And I'm not thrilled with Station 5, and the way they have their sirens going while doing a slow cruise down 63rd Street - not in a hurry, so probably not a real run. However, refer back to para 1.

roger — June 5, 2011 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Jack Burkman was noting that in 2010 The Columbian took a stand against using taxpayer to get the Beavers or another AAA team, and wants to know why is it OK now. Good question.

The Columbian's editorial today notes that there are several questions that need to be answered before committing to bringing the Bears here. Hmmm... weren't we asking these questions on the open (pre-Facebook) website when the subject first came up? And as I recall, the "naysayers" asking the questions were attacked by the "I want baseball!" crowd as impeding progress, being NIMBY's, etc. So what's changed now?

roger — June 5, 2011 at 10:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I wonder how many in the private sector take all of their sick days annually rather than lose them. 25-30%? Probably.

All the firefighters and paramedics I've ever encountered have been professional, concerned, polite, about anything and everything one could ask for. If this is what it costs to have very quality assistance in an emergency, then so be it. I'd rather pay more than have disgrunted employees showing up when my house is on fire or I'm having a heart attack.

My only gripe, and it's not directed at those receiving the benefit, is that many public employees don't pay into SS, rather their own retirement. I saw from a CALPERS source these folks average about 8-12% of their pay going into that. Everyone else pays about 8% directly into SS, and the same indirectly. But public employees basically don't have to subsidize other folks earning less, in some cases much less. Makes for a helluva lot better retirement. I'm jealous I can't opt out and do it on my own. Oh well, great gig if you can get it.

mrd — June 5, 2011 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Going to Facebook is supposed to clean this place up? Observations from scanning today -

Lew Waters and Bob Larimer (cranky?) are two of the top posters. Lew and Lou are actually being civil to each other. Wonder how long that'll last.

Lew and Rep Moeller are having a decent conversation about our state Constitution and tyranny of majority/minority today. Too bad only the extreme sides of the political spectrum are involved.

But the big thing is that there is still a lot of nastiness - I thought this would be cleaned up? Someone says what Bob Larimer says is a crock of s**t (which it is). Someone else is calling the city and county gov'ts hairlips and whatever else. Greg Jayne and others on the Columbian staff insult Commiss Mielke on a routine basis, and Jayne has gone on to call the whole bunch of them weak. Yep - peace and love reigns.

roger — June 5, 2011 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

if this is the 'political commentary' forum, why are 90% of all the posts about facebook...?

now we're talking about what's on the 'facebook side'.

i hate FB. never used it. but, for the sake of being able to comment when i need to, i signed up. i didn't give them an address, a phone number... in fact, i think the only thing i filled in was my name and email address.

big deal.

btw, i'm looking forward to the fb experiment to fail. we had a unique, trademark comments section, and now it's just another robot site.

DeeLittle — June 5, 2011 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I suspect you're right that we're talking too much about the Facebook side - I'm guilty - sorry. I guess it's immature to snipe and point out how blah most of it is. (Hang head and kick dirt sheepishly.) But we can't just ignore the topics being discussed there. Some are important.

roger — June 5, 2011 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What are your thoughts about the proposed multi-use stadium at Clark College and bringing the Yakima Bears here?

I attended an interesting neighborhood association meeting on Thursday, where this was the main attraction. Ron Arp was there as a consultant PR person for the owners. President Bob Knight from CC had a rep there. A couple of neighborhood advocates from Shumway and Arnada gave pretty good reasons why we should reject any entertainment tax: as long as we have had to cut essentials like safety and infrastructure services, why are we proposing to tax for a stadium?

Someone who used to be at the managerial end of Sleep Country Amphitheatre suggested the owner/county split be 50/50 not 30/70, if they do go ahead with the tax.

The County Commissioners will be meeting at 6 pm on Tuesday, the 7th, and taking more public testimony.

If you feel strongly one way or the other, it might be a good time to show up and weigh in. Or email or call.

I can see both sides of the argument, frankly.

manthou — June 5, 2011 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Glad I don't live in the "City", this whole ballpark thing stinks to high heavens. I think if they want it (whoever they is) then "they" should figure out how to pay for it. I don't care for baseball, myself. Too slow and boring, but I don't hate it. It's just like everything else, if it's good, it will pay for itself and make a profit. Like light rail, if it doesn't pay for itself, we don't need it.

hawkeye — June 5, 2011 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Give em' Heck in 012! Heck's back in it!

nailingit — June 5, 2011 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Let's call the stadium a church and get all the bennies that go with it!

Ordain all the players into some sort of Priesthood. The umps act like bishoprics anyway.

nailingit — June 5, 2011 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...just a thought..;+)))

nailingit — June 5, 2011 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

CHEERS>>>To goldenoldie for posting.

JEERS>>>To the editor for discouraging her to do so by taking a cheap shot.

CHEERS>>>To nailingit for a new nickname for the editor...Cheapshot...has a ring to it!

JEERS>>>To the owner of the C to empower such nonsense.

nailingit — June 6, 2011 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I see you saw the response also. Cheatshot isn't a word I would use for the low cowardly remark that was made. I have a name floating in my mind what I will call him, I just can't put it to print here. It fits him PPPPerfectly, if you get my meaning..

ELISI — June 6, 2011 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi, Nailingit - where did GO post and what was response from Lou?

luvithere — June 6, 2011 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden posted in the first one listed in this section....asking people to suggest a topic.

ELISI — June 6, 2011 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I got some things to do...but later let's discuss the bennies of Ron Paul and his ilk. You guys really want to turn our country completely over to corporate America? What the hell???!!???

nailingit — June 6, 2011 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen I saw what Golden said..POWER to her!!!

I could come back and say to your *"The great contradiction....their abortion fight on one end and to kill developed human beings on the other end (by being part of the war machine and profiting to continue buying politicians...)"*

How is that different than being pro abortion.. killing an innocent child, to fighting to stop a murder's death sentence being carried out?
That one has always boggled my mind. Those very people that will stand and protest a murder being sent to his death for what he did, are the same ones in line for an abortion.

ELISI — June 6, 2011 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Elisi-saw it. I am really shocked. That was truly uncalled for on his part.
Can't make it much clearer than that on what he stands for. So he prefers the rantings of Bobbo and lets those go? But dismissed GO just like that? I am glad she gave him back all it's worth!
Time to find another outlet for us I think. Looks to me the C really only wants comments from people like Bobbo and the rest of the rw fringe. Then they can point to comments and tell others that the whole of Clark County is in agreement on politics and other newsworthy stories like our bridge.

luvithere — June 6, 2011 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Here is the link to the Portland Tribune article:

buckeye71 — June 6, 2011 at 10:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Don't even answer him Allan. There is a real disconnect to reality there on his part. i have rarely met such a closed minded individual all my life, it truly is amazing.
heard from GO, I think I join over at photoguy's instead. The owners of C have lost their collective minds also, so why post here even? I am convinced it will be shut down soon anyway. Can't have people speak their mind with opinions that do not agree with C.

luvithere — June 6, 2011 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I saw the spewing profanity comment too as well as the boorish reply to goldenoldie. Let's keep this forum from descending to their levels. Can we get goldenoldie to join us?

Tonight is City Council with Consent Agenda. It looks like the discussion will center on the last agenda item: Disabled Parking Time Limit Ordinance.

Do any of you know the requirements for obtaining a placard versus disabled car license? I don't know if the requirements for a license are more stringent than for a placard.

buckeye71 — June 6, 2011 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This is a link to yesterday's Paul Krugman column
in the New York Times including 412 comments:

Vouchercare Is Not Medicare

"So in voting for the House budget plan, Republicans voted to end Medicare. Saying that isn’t demagoguery, it’s just pointing out the truth."

[You will note NYT does not go through FB. I've had the same Login for at least 12 years.]

buckeye71 — June 6, 2011 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**A little humor from Yahoo news today. **

You would think that a stock photo of former Alaskan Governor and possible 2012 presidential candidate Sarah Palin would be the one thing Fox News would have just lying around, ready to throw on screen at all times, but I guess you would be wrong. In a report about the race for the GOP nomination this weekend, all they could come up with was a photo of Tina Fey playing Palin on "SNL" in 2008. Somewhere, an intern is getting yelled at by whichever one of his or her parents got him or her an internship at Fox News even though she or he didn't know anything about politics. Or popular culture. Or how to double-check things before they go on TV

hawkeye — June 6, 2011 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, I made my point, I think. On that other page about GO, go look before they erase me.

hawkeye — June 6, 2011 at 1:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Chief@1:31..all right all right...I admit to lobbying for temperature controlled water in our nations urinals, as the sudden chill can cause involuntary movement. Oddly enough this proposed change would effect the largest in our society and not the smallest. It's a slippery slope that shafts the largest of American citizens while leaving the majority to the status quo.

I say these things in the spirit of A. Weiner...and not the Battle of the Bulge.


nailingit — June 6, 2011 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 6, 2011 at 10:54 a.m

Bobbo is far from what I consider a Christian, and certainly not any republicans I know and associate with.
He is what I term as one of the extremes...and you know as well as I do those extreme type are on both sides.

I have found this past week since we who choose not to go to facebook have had great conversations. No name calling, sniping etc.. Nice, laid back adult conversation here in our little exiled area of the C.

So here's a big thumbed nose to those who do post via facebook!

ELISI — June 6, 2011 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Creedence --- CCR --- right here on this Forum!

Looks like I have to take a second look at my assumptions/stereotypes.

buckeye71 — June 6, 2011 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye @ 12:53- Chris Matthews just had a quip and a clip on the Fox screw up. LOL!

Their reporting is shoddy on so many levels, but this one came with a bigger bite!

They might be sending our beloved sis a message...but that would take too much thought on their part.

At some level I have felt sorry for those that depend on Fox for the majority of their news.

Kind of like when I do when someone hits themselves in the head with a hammer.

But after continuous wallops all you can do is give them directions to the emergency room.

...and hope they don't vote Republican.

nailingit — June 6, 2011 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

oh, good. my graybars work here, too

DeeLittle — June 6, 2011 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DL-I remember you were greatly dismayed the last time larimer got bounced from this site and openly lamented his absence. Wonder what else in your life you graybar ;)

God Bless

nailingit — June 6, 2011 at 3:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye, your comment is still up there. good job!
Looks like he catching flak all day now over this.
I expect better from an editor, that's for sure.

luvithere — June 6, 2011 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — June 6, 2011 at 6:13 p.m.

Interesting, isn't it? My post is still there but they have deleted Goldenoldie's two posts. Can't take the heat, I guess. Typical thin skinned POS.

hawkeye — June 6, 2011 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting to note how so many are quick to label “Conservatives” as resistant to change. While “Liberals” are open minded. As I have repeatedly noted, and will note once again: the stereotyped, projected ideas of Liberal, and Conservative (not to mention Libertarian) , in a political context, are often badly messed up and misused, as is so often obvious, or should be.

Cogent to this thread considering the hostility expressed by so many, towards the new comments format.

kn_dalai — June 6, 2011 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Weinergate is exploding all over the television and the libs are talking about Sarah Palin? That is funny.

Woosker — June 6, 2011 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Wassup peeps! I found you..ha! I've been asked (more like drilled into my skull) by the spouse not to do the whole FB thing, so here I am. Just have to say that even though we all have our own political differences, at least it's "fun"-ish to read everyone's thoughts. SO lets keep on keepin' on.

Tired_of_the_Whining — June 6, 2011 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

PaPa grizzly in the house. Grrrr!!!LOL!

nailingit — June 6, 2011 at 9:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When President Obama spoke at the service in Joplin, MO recently he ended by quoting verses from the hymn, Amazing Grace. I thought of that when I read that cretin's contribution to the improved Facebook Columbian. However, I imagine he doesn't even know hymns. He must have quite a fantasy life to just make up such meanness. That toxicity has to affect other parts of his life.

Do you ever wonder what challenges and tragedies he has survived to be so bent? No? Me either! Hope I don't have nightmares now from taking the time to write this.

buckeye71 — June 6, 2011 at 11:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

i remember posts that said they read the c's comments precisely because they were different from their own area papers. these ppl were all over the us.

from the participation in comments now, i guess they left.

DeeLittle — June 7, 2011 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

There's a good read with the '55 Million Pledged in scholarships' story. That's what I've been talking about. Corporations giving back to the community they profit so heavily from and feeding some of those 'quality of life' issues with resources and $$$. Incentives for the community should be dealt with before hand and less nuanced, but every little bit helps. After the $$$ and lobbying efforts put into anti-tax initiatives it's the least business can do.

It's a little like bombing a country and then helping to build the infra structure, but it is what it is.

Local city businesses would do well to take a look at this.

nailingit — June 7, 2011 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Also a great topic is brought forth in the letters section with 'Is the GOP failing the middle class'.
hard to imagine how many comments it will get. Back in the recent day no doubt a couple of hundred. Solid issues in which to banter. I'll be in and out today, but would be happy to dictate someone's train of thought!

nailingit — June 7, 2011 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen - I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin. I'm also not a fan of any politician that stands up and lie to everyone for 10 days and then finally admits that they are sending nude phots to 21 year old college girls that they barely know. This was on every network, not just Fox. Try pulling up MSNBC.

We should expect more from our leaders regardless if we are left or right.

Woosker — June 7, 2011 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — June 7, 2011 at 10:09 a.m

There could be several reasons for that. Either the company feels they no longer need to offer it because the person can get it on their own at the same or better price or it's too expensive for the company (always the case) or it could be a number of reasons. What reason did they give or is this just a general statement with no substance?

BTW, I posted another story under the "business" heading, take a look.

hawkeye — June 7, 2011 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

They posted it but it got buried by "more news" on top of it. They also posted the names of the two 16 year olds from BGHS and the 17 year old from La Center. You have to dig a little to find it.

hawkeye — June 7, 2011 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — June 7, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.

OK, then my last statement was true, just a general statement with no substance. Got it.

hawkeye — June 7, 2011 at 10:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat @ 8:58 Agreed the system needs to change. Democracy seems to constantly find itself as stable as a blind gymnast. Short term help as such enables the pig to feed, but with not as much protein. A small step, but a step none the less.

I'm all for capitalism blended with aspects of what some would deem "socialism". Many ideas of the libertarian party are great.

What concerns me about the Paul Bros. the Koch Bros and so many others, is their mix of extreme right conservatism mixed with hard core libertarian business beliefs.

These people are taking everything good about Capitalism and destroying it.

How many bootstraps are left for people to pull themselves up by? When the gap of wealth disparity is at an all time historic high and the chasm widens every second, it's time for change.

Will the Republicans inadvertently bring down Capitalism and history will judge it as a bad experiment?

Or are they doing it intentionally in order to create and further the anarchy to bring about Armageddon...a conservatives wet dream.

Many Conservatives and so called hard core libertarians are tripping over their trunks and each other to try to and bring about the collapse of our country, for their own personal gain, whether it be $$$ or the second coming. Many of the sheep are willing to be led off the cliff.

They know in the end...God will provide.

Abortion and gays. There is not a true conservative that will vote for anyone other than those who will take their hard line positions. Ask em'.

And they are ruining our country at the voting booth.

nailingit — June 7, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ok I have some questions for everyone...

Should Weiner be forced to resign or just censured?

Time and time again we have witnessed our elected officials from both sides of the aisle do things of the nature that Weiner has. When are we going to stand up and demand this kind of behavior from our elected ones stop?
Why is it if anyone of us Joe's do anything like this we are brought up on charges, jailed and branded a sexual predator.. while the elite go scott free with just a slap on the wrist and remain in office? Shouldn't we hold those we elect to the same or higher standard than we do for ourselves?

ELISI — June 7, 2011 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Should he resign? yes, should he be forced to resign? no.

frobert — June 7, 2011 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen, have you ever lived on a farm or stayed on one for any length of time and observed a banty (bantam) rooster?

That's what I think is going on, Lou (banty rooster) has to try and out crow Goldenoldie, he won't win..we all know queen bees always gets the last sting in ;)

ELISI — June 7, 2011 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — June 7, 2011 at 1:38 p.m

Let me ask this then frobert...

If it had been your 18-20 yr old daughter that those texts and pictures were sent too, how would you feel then?
Are you saying that you have no problem with allowing him to stay in office even though what he did would have gotten anyone else in trouble and tagged as a sexual predator?

ELISI — June 7, 2011 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I do not support what he has done and he should have the integrity to resign, I however know of no constitutional provision that allows anyone to force him to resign.

frobert — June 7, 2011 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of stories being buried...I notice there was no Columbian coverage whatsoever of Mr. Madore's public meeting Saturday. Not online, anyway. Whether you are for, or against the CRC. You should still hear what was presented by watching the video at Pretty damaging testimony.

willbridge — June 7, 2011 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Lets see, should Mr. Weiner (OK I'll say it, what an appropriate name) get fired or quit? I think neither. I think the pictures he sent to the six women should be plastered all over the news and in papers with a picture of his face right next to it. Then he just might be humiliated enough to realize how stupid he really is. From what I understand, it wasn't anything very sexual, he was in his tightie whities so nothing really showed. Really stupid to do that on twitter and not personal email. If he's that dumb, he shouldn't be in office. Also, I think he's gonna get some payback from his wife.

hawkeye — June 7, 2011 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

that's the new normal, will.

wanna bet there will NEVER be a facebook-generated post ala golden oldie left up?

and here i thought lou was a standup guy. "oh well". no happy face.

DeeLittle — June 7, 2011 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm afraid that his apology might be what most would call...too little, too late.
Now mind you I did say MIGHT BE.

ELISI — June 7, 2011 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If memory serves me correct, but wasn't Sen. Bob Packwood forced to resign?


Was looking around about Weiner resigning compared to what other senators or congress have been forced to resign and found this...

Quite interesting to see all the way back to pres. Washington how corruption and scandals has escalated from Washington to 2009.

ELISI — June 7, 2011 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Should Wiener resign? Yes.

Also Franks, Rangle, Pelosi, McCain.... The list can grow with a little more thought. All have been engaged in unethical behavior in the past. I suppose I'm missing one or two, but for the moment Dan Rostenkowski is the last one I can recall who was actually sent packing.

roger — June 7, 2011 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's a list of politically related sex scandals including Curtis and Brock Adams from Washington and Packwood and Sam Adams from Oregon.

buckeye71 — June 7, 2011 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If any of you are following the pit bull coverage, I recommebnd that you watch the portion of the City Council discussion that covers that. Click on Communications.;=2983

The Columbian is really being irresponsible by not reporting on the discussion. Some council members said they are specifically not in favor of breed specific rules. It will come up at a work session in August. There will be time for public input. The city is putting together a group including Humane Society and Animal Control to assist going forward. They have a contractual relationship with Clark County for Animal Control. They emphasized that this will be a long process and didn't want to get people riled up.

buckeye71 — June 7, 2011 at 4:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Funny stuff, alleycat. Total pot/kettle stuff. I like it.

hawkeye — June 7, 2011 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Animal Control Hearing is tomorrow at 1:30 on CVTV 23.

It is the regular hearing and not related to City Council. I got hooked on watching them years ago. I don't know any of the parties and usually can't place the locations they discuss. Gives me some insight into animal owners.

buckeye71 — June 7, 2011 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye - Regarding Weiner. There are more photos that have not been released of him fully naked and let's say "excited." They are not being released right now but I'm sure they will leak out at some point. The creapy part is that he didn't even know these women that he sent these photos to. He is either a sexual predator or has some other serious issues. Either way he has zero credibility.

Woosker — June 7, 2011 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat - it takes two to tango. However, not every man is deprived of sex by his wife. They have been married about a year and he has been doing this since the day he said I do so I think blaming the wife on this one is not accurate. If he wants to send weiner photos out, don't get married and stay out of Congress. He should be thrown out as he doesn't have the common sense to be making such important decisions.

Woosker — June 7, 2011 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*President Obama's Solicitor General said during oral arguments before the Sixth Circuit Court that if you don't like the individual mandate to purchase health insurance, there is a simple solution - earn less income.*

So does this mean we should quit our jobs, take one flipping burgers or making tacos and go on welfare?

ELISI — June 7, 2011 at 7:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

We think it's bad now...elect a Repub Gov and all hell will surely break loose.

Hopefully after the shady politics that are being played out in places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and so many other places, people have learned a lesson.

nailingit — June 7, 2011 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I won't ask what your source is for your 7:22 comment but let's assume that it seemed a little over the top or unreasonable to you. Maybe it didn't pass the smell test. Did you go to the Google? If you did, you would not find any references from NY Times, Washington Post, or LA Times. I don't mean that those are the ultimate in print media but they could be standard example of print media. There was no mention on the web such as CNN, Huffington Post, or any other electronic media. However there were MANY pages limited to right wing, Libertarian, impeachment sites in the first three pages of the Google search.

Here's the link to the truth about your quote:

Right-Wing Media Misrepresent Gov't Attorney's Statement On Minimum Coverage Provision

In their campaign to manufacture false attacks on health care reform, the right-wing media has seized on a new, obscure, and absurd argument: that, in oral arguments debating the merit of a legal challenge to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act's (PPAC) individual mandate provision, Neal Katyal, the acting solicitor general of the United States, recommended that individuals who do not want to be subject to the mandate could choose to "make less money." Cue the right wing freakout.

I know it's lengthy and includes an explanation and the actual transcript. It even includes a video clip of Gretchen Carlson, Doocy, and Kilmeade on Fox & Friends.

Here's an excerpt from one of the comments:

"...The Fox "news" group so totally and deliberately misrepresented the facts, that ordinary non intense political citizens simply would not accept that Fox lies with such impunity. Almost no one would believe that any news show would lie so gratuitously. ...."

I've heard that parents of children with pre-existing conditions are glad they can get insurance and carry young adults until they are 26 years old. Insurance providers can't put a lifetime dollar amount limit on your coverage either. Of course there's more to it. It's a start.

You're entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts.

buckeye71 — June 7, 2011 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Please reread what I posted. Where anywhere in what I posted did I give my opinion or my facts?

I posted what I had heard someone say, then asked a question. I guess I should have been more clear..

In you're own words buckeye71 you are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. But nowhere, no time are you entitled to make assumptions over someone posting a question.
As far as to your facts via, I find them just as nauseatingly bad if not worse than Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN.

ELISI — June 8, 2011 at 12:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal



But nowhere, no time are you entitled to make assumptions over someone posting a question.


I'm sorry. I don't believe I was making any assumptions about you. I was just pointing out that a statement you took the time to post wasn't valid. We have an opportunity to share information from a variety of sources along with our own opinions. It never occurred to me that it would be OK to just make things up and let readers think the statement is true. That could be a slippery slope.

Media Matters, Crooks & Liars, and are examples of sites one can use to check facts. Analysis is up to the individual. That's where different opinions can be fun and worth examining.

Again, I'm sorry but I really wasn't making "assumptions over someone posting a question".

buckeye71 — June 8, 2011 at 2:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


When you posted..."You're entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts."

You were assuming.

As I said, I posted what I had heard, and a question in hopes someone knew and could clarify the statement either way. Or lead me in the direction of a site that is neither left (like mediamatters) or right (Fox) I could check.

Media Matters isn't a site I trust with the truth, Never heard of Crooks & Liars. Snopes isn't bad..but I want more than one site and certainly not one that leans heavily to the right or left.

ELISI — June 8, 2011 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A letter to Mike Tindall...

I only read a few stories a day from the Columbian thread, if any. This thread works great for me, as I can spout my nonsense and not be concerned with guidelines or context to some degree, while retaining the bennies of anonymity. I see the upside of remaining anonymous more than I do the downside. Having said that, I am tempted to enter the local fb political fray, complete with many of the nutjobs and proud redneck, roughneck, Vantucky conservatives this community has to offer.

But when and if I most likely will know it. I've only checked out a few stories in the last couple of days and noticed you were calling out for nailingit, Wondering if someone else or others are associated with my avatar. To this date no.

But we need to talk.

1. If you used to post on these threads I think you are still allowed to do so. Please feel free to approach me on this thread, perhaps I can answer your impassioned pleas. Having said that let me state...

2. I am happily married and heterosexual*.

3. Your new friend bobbo is a girl.

4. If you are a cyber stalker embracing deviancy to include the acceptance of marital incest, and are encouraging society to embrace the "new norm" leanings, then might I suggest you steer that EvinRude of yours into different Waters. I guarantee in your fb forum there are plenty of big mouth basses to steer it in to.

5. *asterisk to indicate the 'exceptional clause' which is activated at tax time.

These things I know to be true in the name of Christallah, Abrahymen and Jack Frost.

nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Allen I will check them out.

ELISI — June 8, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Has anyone checked out google Mars lately?

This could be the start of something big...

Allowing viewable information comes from those on high...

Perhaps they/we are getting ready for full disclosure...

This could make facebook more than interesting...

Look to the skies...and the United States Senate...and your neighbor.

It's all good.

nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit, I really enjoy your posts. I don't always understand them but they are entertaining. Thanks, Hawk

hawkeye — June 8, 2011 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Losingit doesn't understand them either.

Here's what happened:

The hippies spent the sixties trying to find themselves. Before one can find it, they must first lose it. He never found it. That's why he's called Losingit.

kn_dalai — June 8, 2011 at 12:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal! Thank you hawkeye, and knd makes some sense, out of sometimes nonsensical senseless nonsense, in that at times it's difficult sensing the scent and self consensually bringing about a sound consensus of ones self. Soit'inly. Consences of senses, why that would be senseless!

knd, your sensitive yet sensible statement alluding to sensi as a sensible source, is nothing more than a general consensus as to my non-sensical senselessness, which could make sense out of this indesensible, indefensible nonsense, and make me a victim of... soycomstance!

nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 1:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and since it's a slow day on here, allow me to give our portland and vancouver pd's a shoutout for grabbing multiple headlines today! And God bless America...and a few other localities that aren't local. Peace

nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Maybe Hussein Obama should run back over to the middle east, bow to some more sheiks and make speeches about how bad America is?
Worked great last time, eh?

comment by Bob Larimer on the facebook thing. Spouting off moronic blah, blah, blah as he does, he should have chosen to remain anonymous. I wonder if Bob realizes we import most of our oil from canada, more than the total imported from the middle east? we import more oil from Mexico than Saudi Arabia, our largest Middle Eastern supplier. Only 3 Middle eastern countries make the top 15 of American oil suppliers.

But he was able to work a slam in there as usual, so I guess he's happy. Aw, ain't ingurnentcencse bliss?

mrd — June 8, 2011 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd, I stopped reading whatever Bob Larimer posts a long time ago. He reminds me too much of that group from Westboro.

ELISI — June 8, 2011 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 1:31 p.m.

Thanks, that clears it up nicely. Always a pleasure. LOL

hawkeye — June 8, 2011 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ed Rollins has signed on to Michele Bachman's campaign now that the Huckster is out.

HAHAHAHAHA! LOL!!! Sarah wasn't enough, and she's still in it, ...

Now it's BACHMAN!

These conservative nutballs will elect A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y to the White House as long as they are against abortion rights and gays...Anybody.

Given the failed policies of the last decade and the quality of candidates Republicans have...

How on God's green earth could anyone trust the Republican party again?

And they want to return to Bushes policies and then some! Incredible.

If anyone thinks Bachman has no shot, think Palin, Quayle, my God, even Santorum brings definition to this race. What a joke, and what an insult to the American people......LOL!!

nailingit — June 8, 2011 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You have to love people, driving Japanese cars, wearing Chinese made Levis and Nikes made in Thailand, all the time complaining that the Democrats or Republicans haven't gotten them a job.

frobert — June 9, 2011 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert-It's not about complaining. It's about holding our officials accountable in regards to the public trust. Right and left. The House was taken over in 2010 overwhelmingly by Republicans, many proclaiming allegiance to the tea party. Their message was unified. Their message was singular. The voters handed the House to Republicans who ran on a jobs platform. Period.

What kind of jobs incentive regs and legislation has the House put forward. They vote down any type of jobs stimulus package. I won't go into much. Too much time involved and many don't care. The House is diseased with idiots who know nothing of law or history. The Sarah's and Michele's.....this is what the Republican party has brought us. More conservatism with zero brain.

How many Hundreds of bills involving outlawing abortion and so called "moral" issues have these idiots sucked up their time with and have it rubber stamped by tea party guvs around this country.

You have to love local millionaire business men and women. Driving European cars, wearing Armani suits, dress shoes made in Italy, all the time complaining that the Democrats or Republicans haven't given them enough tax breaks so they can squash the complaining of those...that haven't gotten them a job.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Regardless of what modern "republicans" are trying to tell you expansion of government control over the citizens is not conservatism.
We have been throwing money at the jobs problem for years with no progress. The only ones capable of solving the problem is the consumer.

frobert — June 9, 2011 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat- To look at the problem and understand what the future holds is all good but.. the people are relegated to our current political structure. Understanding what's happening to our country and holding those we vote for accountable isn't whining, it's part of America's political process and heritage.

And we are not broke. By any means. Just ask the few thousand on wall street that awarded themselves 140 Billion dollars in bonus's, just in bonus's mind you a few months back.

This is about stopping a Republican (ssdd) corporation@"values" radical takeover of our country utilizing the system we have at hand. We can change a people we can turn this around.

A beautiful day and hope everyone enjoys.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I can't really disagree with you on the evils of what the republicans have become in recent years, but the democrats have given us extension of the patriot act, more war, corporate bailouts, how are they any better?

frobert — June 9, 2011 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You talk about tea party hate rhetoric and then end your statement with a derogitory term for the tea party. Who is using hate rhetoric?

frobert — June 9, 2011 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

fro@10:11...It's a world economy. What are you basing your model on? Dem is the only way to stop the faux values corporate takeover of America. Hopefully during Obama's next term the sway of the Supreme Court will change. The lesser of two evils being the overall argument, gotta go with Dems without question. It is what it is.

Let's get some change we can believe in.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 12:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It's not a world economy as long as some countries allow basically slave labor.

The only change that could occur in 2012 is if Ron Paul or Gary Johnson were to be elected, and they are largely ignored by the media. A vote for a mainstream democrat or republican is a vote for more of the same.

frobert — June 9, 2011 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**I think Gnewt's campaign is falling apart.**

Gingrich’s Senior Campaign Aides Resign

Newt Gingrich’s campaign manager and a half-dozen senior advisers resigned on Thursday, two aides said, dealing a significant setback to his bid to seek the Republican presidential nomination and severely complicating his plan to make a political comeback.

The campaign manager, Rob Johnson, along with advisers in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, joined together to step down after a period of deep internal disagreements about the direction of the campaign.

Mr. Gingrich, a former House speaker who has been fighting to regain his political footing after a rough campaign announcement last month, had been absent from the campaign trail for about two weeks on what aides had described as a pre-planned vacation. He made his first return to the campaign trail on Wednesday in New Hampshire, one day before the resignations were announced.

hawkeye — June 9, 2011 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL Hawkeye you REALLY didn't think old Newt would have a chance did you? I sure hope not.
He burned his bridges along time ago.

ELISI — June 9, 2011 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, maybe he's trying to kick start the economy buy putting campaign money back into play. Personally, I don't see where he has a chance, a last hurrah, I suppose.

hawkeye — June 9, 2011 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

At least Newt Leroy is well rested from his Luxury cruise in the Greek Isles that he took it in order to get away from the negative publicity he was getting slammed with about the Half Million $$$ jewelry charge at Tiffiny's. A. Weiner took the spotlight off that, RyanCare, the drum beats of Wisconsin so on and so on. Newt's a bum. A rich bum. But a bum. But a bum. But a bum.

I wish Michele Bachman the very best. It will be interesting to see just how deep she positions herself in the muck and mire of her Christian conservatism. Debating Romney on the values ticket. Most hard core Christians believe that the Mormon church is inspired from the devil. They believe Mormon leaders are false prophets, and their followers are doomed to an eternal existence in Hell...wailing and gnashing their teeth, crying out for a drop of water, watching reruns of Three's Company...forever and the end of days. Just ask em'.

I hope they discuss their faith and respond honestly to targeted questions during their campaign. Michele should take the lead as she has the numbers on her side with this issue.

Nobody can bring the filth like conservatives running against each other. They eat their own at the drop of a vote.

Mitt will get the nod, but the trail of dirty conservative politics, will keep many conservatives home next November. IMO

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro- I could not agree more. If Paul or Johnson were elected it would bring dramatic change!

This pre-packaged tea party manure is like a freaking disease. This idea, that our founding fathers intended that our Country be run like a business, this crap is more than pervasive today than it ever has been. The tea's hot and the party's just gettin' started. The main course is Grizzly bear served from the skull of the middle class, and medieval goblets, brimming in oil.

Remember people, in the last month alone the Bush presidency lost over 700 Hundred Thousand jobs...millions that year.

PEOPLE!!! Don't buy into to this tea party crap anymore!!! What the hell!!!

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

PEOPLE Don't buy the liberal crap, the government shouldn't be deciding if you wear a helmet, if you use a seatbelt if you smoke a joint, if you buy health insurance. The bill of rights is not a rule of thumb. This Country was founded on liberty, not government control!

frobert — June 9, 2011 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and this term 'tea party' I find to be offensive. I think the term 'tea party' in these days and times represents something much more disgusting than a consensual act of sex.

I think the baggers should find themselves another term, rather than equate their party with an act of sex that some humans participate in.

Perhaps the baggers should look to the animal kingdom for inspiration. :)B

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL!!! The people you would have in office will more than force us to do these things. They own the plastic factory's, the pot plantations, the seat belt manufacturers, ... like they ALREADY own the health industry!!!

The bill of rights means nothing to these people. Look at Michigan, respect for ethics, rule of law, and justice.

Did 2010 teach us nothing?

We as a people need to be much smarter about this. Those of us that are able to wrap our heads around these issues need to vote and more.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit.....making a Facebook account look more and more appealing everyday.

r8dr — June 9, 2011 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Actually the term "tea party" is not thought of as a sexual act, the term "tea baggers" is.

Those associated with the Tea Party do not call themselves "tea baggers", hmm...just who does refers to those within the Tea Party as "tea baggers"?

I have to ask, like I did about Palin, she was mentioned all day every day for what reason. Why do you and a few other constantly speak of "tea baggers"?... it shows me and others that you are so fixated on the sexual act that "tea baggers" refers too that you have to speak of it daily or you're running scared of the Tea Party and what it would mean if they take most of the wins the next election?

Inquiring minds would like to know..

By the way nailingit, I am NOT a Tea Party member, but I do believe we need to run this country like a business. It takes money to run a country and since we buy more than we sell, (import v export) we are not making any money..that leads to no jobs..that leads to no money made to pay taxes services.

ELISI — June 9, 2011 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I added Mayor Leavitt's response to the Willamette Week article that is in Vancouver Voice. You can find the update here:

Columbia River Crossing forum

buckeye71 — June 9, 2011 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I posted this on the other forum also.

Columbia River Crossing forum

Here's the Metro vote from today:

Metro Council says Columbia River Crossing on track to address concerns

In a 5-1 vote, the Metro Council on Thursday affirmed that many of the concerns it has raised about the Columbia River Crossing project have been addressed and said that others will be worked out.

buckeye71 — June 9, 2011 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hi ELISI-To be honest I don't think of the sex act until someone says something, or I'm trying to get something across...tongue in cheek so to speak! The tea party folks are the ones that dress weird and wore tea bags all over themselves!LOL!

I'm not sure I understand the 'scared' and 'fixation stuff',

Or the frequency in which I mention Palin's muff,

Your inquiry to my mind, seems a bit muddled,

And your concern with my babe Sarah leaves me befuddled.

Do not fret my beloved ELISI, I shall spend more time with thee,

And I will shatter those chains that bind you, and free you of the demon jealousy.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

r8dr- Thanks man.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI-I suppose it's what kind of business you want our country to run like, and what customer base you think our country should appeal to. We certainly aren't broke, or anywhere close. Businesses are making record profits and wall street is already obese.

I wasn't around when the Statue of Liberty was gifted to us. But I try not to forget the spirit in which it was given, and what America once stood for.

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This brown avatar I'm showing is a photo of what is seemingly a structure on the planet Mars. The object is 150' X 700'. Nasa offers no explanation for this. This discovery and communication is being allowed for a reason.

Something is coming our way...

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Something is coming our way...

nailingit — June 9, 2011 at 9:10 p.m

I sincerely hope so!

hawkeye — June 9, 2011 at 9:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LMAO! Um no thanks to spending more time with me...I have a of yesterday 41 yrs. One man is enough! LOL

Think nailingit, if a person on a daily basis brings up another person, that obsession. Bring up the same subject daily is fixation.

ELISI — June 9, 2011 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I believe Allen is correct on that one. As I recall, there were even women walking around with straw hats with tea bags hanging from them reminiscent of Minnie Pearl. Seems they were quite proud of the moniker. Oh well, you call yourself something long enough, people are going to pick it up.

hawkeye — June 9, 2011 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen and Hawkeye,

I didn't know that. Like I told nailingit, I'm not one of them so didn't know. All I have ever heard is them being called Tea Party/iers.

I remember the hats with the tea bags, signs stating Tea Party, but I don't recall ever hearing them referred to as "tea baggers".
In fact the only time I have heard/read them being call "baggers" is on here.

ELISI — June 9, 2011 at 10:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen and Hawkeye,

I found these, it seems the Tea Party used the term "tea bag" it was others that ran with the term and stretched it..


ELISI — June 9, 2011 at 11:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and under the right circumstances, what's wrong with baggin' anyway?

Gives new meaning when someone is called an old bag! I thank this chick at Safeway for bagging me all the time! Why I remember this one time......

ELISI-Happy Anniversary!

@ 6:19 "Those associated with the tea party do not call themselves "tea Baggers", hmmm...just who does refers to those within the tea party as "tea baggers"?...............

My best guesses are Santorum baggin' Bachman...while O'connell, Boehner, Cantor, Gingrich, Huckleberry, Vitter, Ensign, Biden and Weiner are Bagging sarah.

Kinda has a ring to it. Like a title of a book, movie or theatre production...


SEE the multitudes that are brimming with passion...

HEAR the impassioned cries of those calling to Sarah...

EXPERIENCE what's it's like behind the closed chamber doors of Congress...for an extra twenty.

nailingit — June 10, 2011 at 12:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Or the oval office?

ELISI — June 10, 2011 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI-LOL!!! I'm sure she serves at the pleasure of the President!

nailingit — June 10, 2011 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

For those of you that are truly bored and need something to do, this might be fun.

hawkeye — June 10, 2011 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**"David Madore files for Vancouver port position"**

*I knew it! I asked that SOB if he was going into politics and he told me he had NO interest in any office.*

hawkeye — June 10, 2011 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting - Going for a Port position makes sense if building a resume for higher office. In six years time there's a good chance the Port's current and new tenants COULD produce a local economic recovery. If Madore, as a businessman, has ideas that help steer operations in the right direction, then he'll have done more than he'd ever accomplish as a member of the City Council.

Does the Port have the ability to influence the I5 Bridge project?

roger — June 10, 2011 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

In that case Hawkeye, not a very propitious start into politics.

Nonetheless, I hope voters remember what happened in 2007.

The port commissioners unanimously approved a tax increase to pay for the purchase of the old Alcoa site and other properties. Apparently, the port has the legal right to impose tax increases without a public vote. Unlike public school districts and libraries.

A petition drive by some rather upset citizens put the issue on the election ballot, and that tax increase was defeated by around a 3 to 1 margin.

Here are a couple of takes on the issue by a leftist and a rightist web site:



It would seem, the port commissioners were quite out of touch.

In all fairness the port said:

> By state law, a port cannot introduce ballot measures without referral from a petition of qualified voters living with in the port district. On February 5, 2007, the commission set the process in motion by activating the IDD levy. Shortly thereafter, a citizens group began a grassroots effort to gather at least 9,126 valid signatures on a petition to put the levy on the ballot.


> Ports are allowed, by the Revised Code of Washington (RCW 53.36.100), two six-year IDD levies, the first of which does not need voter approval. The Port of Vancouver used its first six year levy in 1958 to purchase land in Fruit Valley. Much of the land was later sold to Frito Lay, which has been a long-time fixture, providing living-wage jobs in Vancouver ever since.


Based on this, the port commissioners had no choice but to first vote for a tax increase in order to force a public vote. Well….

I will note that in the first quote above, no RCW was provided, while an RCW was provided in the second quote.

Here is the RCW as it pertains to ports:


Not sure where the prohibition on placing tax increases or bond sales on the ballot is, but Wolfe is an attorney, and formerly the city attorney for the cities of Battleground and Ridgefield. I would guess he must be correct. ?

Just the same, the whole thing did not seem quite proper.

I do wonder. Yes I do.


kn_dalai — June 10, 2011 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Palin's emails are now online, some that I have read are very strange. This woman was not qualified to be a dog catcher let alone a Governor.

hawkeye — June 10, 2011 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There was a workshop at the Hilton in March, designed to show businesses how to market themselves through Facebook. Wonder if The Columbian management attended and hatched their plan after that?

There are services designed to help scrub your online image: and are two examples. I am amazed when I see politicians and high-profile community leaders waxing eloquent ad nauseum online. Too much information (think Weiner). Jack Burkman, for example: you have given me more info than I ever asked for, and it is enough to take you off my "to vote for" list next round. You also promised, at a recent neighborhood association meeting, to keep your opinion on the proposed Clark College stadium to yourself: you were only information-gathering. However, I had read many of your statements here that show otherwise and reveal your opinion happily. Too much exposure, guys. Let's leave something to the imagination once in awhile.

I suppose that it can work both ways. You might gain some fans. Eventually, those who like to run off online will alienate someone.

We are growing a nation of online narcissists and Facebook is leading the charge.

manthou — June 11, 2011 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

> Without Rand's permission, We the Living, which had been published in an Italian translation in 1937, was made into a two-part film, Noi Vivi and Addio, Kira in 1942. The films were directed by Goffredo Alessandrini for Scalera Films of Rome, and starred Alida Valli as Kira, Fosco Giachetti as Andrei, and Rossano Brazzi as Leo. Prior to their release, the films were nearly censored by Mussolini's government, but they were permitted because the story itself was set in Soviet Russia and was directly critical of that regime. The films were successful, and the public easily realized that they were as much against fascism as communism. After several weeks, the films were pulled from theaters after the Nazi German and fascist Italian governments discovered the story also carried an anti-fascist message.



kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The Big Pot Bust

Ruining a home isn't cool. Unless, of course, it's the owner doing the ruining. Peddling pot to kids isn't cool. Period. Other than those two points...

These types of activities will continue as long as cannabis is illegal. The prohibition fuels the trade with exorbitant pricing making the lure of easy money tough for some folks to resist. In Malaysia people are routinely executed for drug "crimes." A lot of people have been executed for drug "crimes." The threat of death isn't even enough to dissuade the lure.

Some how, some way, the Task Force Commander, Mike Cooke made a connection with the grow and medicinal cannabis. I dunno. What I do know is that I find it a bit disconcerting that the Task Force commander doesn't know the law.

Cooke's assertion is the product was headed for the various dispensaries. "The reality is, medicinal marijuana is a cover for unlawful sales. all of these grows are designed to feed into dispensaries (and other distributors). The West Coast has turned into a manufacturing center."

Hey, Mike, which dispensaries are those? Cannabis dispensaries are not legal in this state. There have been folks that have attempted to interpret a section of the law, "one patient at any one time" with a twist (what does "at any one time" mean?), but they are walking on thin ice. The outfits in Spokane have shutdown as a result of a string of raids. King County is the only place in the state where dispensaries have been tolerated, legal or not.

SB 5073 would have provided for licensing and regulating dispensaries and growers, but Governor Gregoire did a line item veto and then signed the remainder of the bill into law. That has left the state with one heck of a mess. A WAY bigger mess than we had before 5073.

The law is clear about the number of plants a patient holding a recommendation can possess. 15 is a far cry from 1,600.

To make a connection between this obvious black-market operation and medicinal cannabis is disingenuous. Ignorance of the law is incompetence.

Let's end the madness;

Drift — June 11, 2011 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

> "The basic social principle of the Objectivist ethics is that no man has the right to seek values from others by means of physical force—i.e., no man or group has the right to initiate the use of physical force against others. Men have the right to use force only in self-defense and only against those who initiate its use. Men must deal with one another as traders, giving value for value, by free, mutual consent to mutual benefit. The only social system that bars physical force from human relationships is laissez-faire capitalism. Capitalism is a system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which the only function of the government is to protect individual rights, i.e., to protect men from those who initiate the use of physical force." Thus Objectivism rejects any form of collectivism, such as fascism or socialism. It also rejects the current "mixed economy" notion that the government should regulate the economy and redistribute wealth.



kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Gee Allen, you have a rather strange take on Rand for someone who has "read everything Ayn Rand ever wrote."

kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Still — sort of like venturing into the Everglades at night — I wander into our forum and hope to come out alive.
Lou Brancaccio*

Oh Lou, Lou, Lou, if that was your attempt at didn't work.
Next time you enter the "Everglades" at night, best watch out for those gators and cottonmouths. They like munching on Chi-town boys like you. ;)

ELISI — June 11, 2011 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The Editor in Chief is a master at playing, "Let's You and Him Fight," Elisi.

He throws out a one-liner to be provocative then leans back in his chair, cups his head in his hands, puts his feet up on the desk, and watches, in amusement, as the fur and feathers fly online. He feigns frustration, but laps it up. And we keep feeding the beast, don't we?

Conflict creates interest. Interest creates web traffic. It is what is done today in media to manipulate the masses.

Marshall McLuhan had his finger on the pulse and power of media and its effect on culture so many years ago. Look him up.

It is hard not to take the bait and jump in.

manthou — June 11, 2011 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I like to mess with Lou as much as he like to mess with others.
It provides great entertainment.

If Lou really wants to get down to the nit n gritty, he ought to visit the Bayous of La. I'd be more afraid of the critters in the Bayou than those in the Everglades. ;)

ELISI — June 11, 2011 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alley @ 7:12

...What would Jesus do?...

One can only speculate. My guess is that he would be focused on his message of redemption. Jesus never encouraged his followers to enter politics. One could say he discouraged it by exhorting his followers to be "in this world, but not of it".

Pride, envy and a propensity to ride the lighting of bragadocious behavior causes many to stray from the path they claim is a 'calling from God'.

Pretty soon these so called Christians are lobbying for policy changes to leave the elderly and disabled out in the cold. Oh yeah, that's already happened.

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: There is real cognitive dissonance in the way some right wing Christians portray their values and how they actually live it.

I am also stunned at how the poor and marginalized continually vote against their own best interest. They make themselves willing pawns in a political game where only the most wealthy and powerful survive at their expense.

I don' git it. :)

manthou — June 11, 2011 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

There's a hole.

If you go to the 1,600 pot plant bust article and choose to view the video, comments without FB are possible.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6,...

Drift — June 11, 2011 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou-I don't get it either. When it comes to problem solving like fixing the debt, healthcare, equal rights to include gender, age, race and sexual orientation, the populace overwhelmingly supports positions that fly to the left in the political spectrum.

I think it's the God factor to some degree, about 22-25% base their votes on God, Guns, Gays and Abortion. And they are ruining our country.

I don't have anything against Christians, Muslims or Mormons or (type in brand here). It's the pervasive belief that they are 'God's chosen' and exhort their followers on a daily basis, that they are the only ones on the planet that have an "in" with God.

Instilling God given pride via the pastoral route and others, quite literally the sheep obey, trusting in their "leaders" while their leaders are trusting in corporate wealth. Come voting time...why it's god's calling to vote against anyone espousing a different view of "morality".

The hypocrisy is staggering.

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

> I am also stunned at how the poor and marginalized continually vote against their own best interest.

manthou — June 11, 2011 at 10:01 a.m.

I was unaware of this. Perhaps you can expand upon that.

In any event, it raises a question of principle versus self interest.

kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Medicare and SSI are NOT the cause of the deficit

Conservatives opposed to all social spending have been trying to convince the public that Social Security and Medicare are the cause of the federal deficit. It's a big lie and I can prove it. This 11-minute video slide show & I will walk you through the real numbers.

proudprogressive — June 11, 2011 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 10:49 a.m.

Talk about staggering hypocrisy.

Voters send Democrats, who never saw a tax they didn’t like, to the state legislature. And then voters approve anti-tax initiatives.

I-695 in 1999, I-722 in 2000, I-747 in 2001, I-776 in 2002, I-960 in 2007, I-1053 in 2010.

kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Not quite sure of your point knd. Voters are fickle, especially the ones that have no party affiliation. They like to point fingers while having none point back, and tend to be low info, grabbing on to the strongest messaging that placates their ego. Nothing screams louder than anarchy.

Hypocrisy is found at every level. It's the institutional hypocrisy that places God before country, then enact laws that curb human rights and promote separatist, singular ideas on the public, and force them to cowtownow or else. i.e. Wisconsin republicans crapping all over the people and themselves in order to serve the all mighty God of Mammon.

2010 elected Republicans have spent their time concocting and enacting laws to restrict the freedoms of women i.e. proposed defunding of planned parenthood. Legislating their own twisted and perverse morality on those who voted them in, instead of doing what they were voted in to do in the first place.

The 2010 Republicans ran on a jobs platform. Period. Accountability needs to happen in 2012. What tax credits and incentives for small business have they gotten through in the house? How many times have Dems tried in this area, only to be voted down by the majored Repubs. WHAT have the republicans done in the house to stimulate jobs and our economy? It's the reason they were overwhelmingly voted in, and it's the reason they should overwhelmingly be voted out if they don't perform to expectations.

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Tons of "free" publicity with David Madore today, and it just keeps coming! I wonder if all the local political hacks get the same recognition? It would only be fair Columbian.

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Come now nailingit. My point on voting, is quite clear.

As far as restricting women’s rights: my dear sir, you exhibit that leftist mentality of government as a nanny. I.E. if government doesn’t pay, then one’s rights are being rescinded. Rather a perverted way of looking at “rights.” As the lefts’ “rights” are dependent upon government redistribution of wealth.

Please review my post of 8:20 a.m. Not asking that you, or others agree, but it might be nice if the Left could at least understand the paradigm of personal liberty. It would also be sort of nice, if the Left, as I have repeatedly stated, understand that the Liberalism of today, has nothing to do with the Classical Liberalism of the Enlightenment.

On an unrelated note. I recall that you once stated you worked in Germany for some years. Yes, the Germans are rather difficult now aren’t they. That has been my experience. Have you seen this poll on humorous by nationality? Yes, you do indeed deserve a medal.

[Germans aren't real funny poll][1]

I trust you found the Japanese to be attentive to business, but also welcoming and even humorous.


kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL! "I'm afraid we don't find some of the results very funny", said Badoo's director of marketing Lloyd Price, who is British.(after finding out Brits weren't high on the funny scale) LOL...the Brits don't get it, this is what makes funny!

The Germans aren't known for their humor, and I might say as of late, nor their love for Americans! Great recipe for relationships. Japanese all the above and more.

The common denominators are beer and tobacca!

I do understand the paradigm of personal liberty. But when society is dealt with as a whole from a government that is subsidized on taxpayer dollars, rich, poor, young, old, destitute, wealthy and unhealthy...the voices should be moderate with the totality of society taken in consideration. If I may humbly offer my opinion.

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 11, 2011 at 8:42 p.m.

What? WHAT?

This ought to be interesting.

Oh, By the way Allen...You're a fool.

kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

oh, sporty..... you're at it again. LOL

hawkeye — June 11, 2011 at 9:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

man I didn't get the flag out in time.


nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The last time you made your little challenge of answering your question, was a couple of weeks ago. It was about the definition of “avant garde.” I responded but you did not.

Then, you posted some phony quote, supposedly from the Governor or the Bank of England, a position which is roughly equivalent to the chairman of the Federal Reserve in this country, in which he allegedly laid out his plans for the vast right wing conspiracy to take over the world. And in a public speech no less. I repeatedly asked you for your source. You have always refused to provide such, while I provided evidence to the contrary. You got that phony quote off of some worthless blog and refuse to acknowledge such. It is a piece of phony propaganda , which makes you complicit, and therefore a propagandist yourself.

Today, here is the relevant portion of your post of 6:55 a.m.:

> Both Ayn Rand and Benito Mussolini were virulent anti-communists, opponents of labor unions, and proponents of the corporate state. Ayn Rand called her philosophy Objectivism, Mussolini called his Fascism. I read everything Ayn Rand ever wrote - years ago. I found her philosophy SIMPLISTIC, anti-intellectual, and VERY selfish. (which describes the GOP and Tea bagging idiots very well - no wonder they have fallen for her FICTION).

I have exposed your total ignorance in my posts of 7:42 a.m. and 8:20 a.m. It is unlikely that you have ever read a single thing that Ayn Rand wrote.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

In no way shape or form, was Ayn Rand a fascist. Your mind set is somewhat typical of the badly misinformed Left.

It should not even be arguable.

Hawkeye, before you involve yourself in this, I suggest you review the forgoing, and see that you are attempting to defend a fool and quite likely a drunk.

kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 10:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Your thing there with the flag is quite cute.

kn_dalai — June 11, 2011 at 10:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 10:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and HERE we go with the start of the 2nd half.

Representing the Red team, Johnny Walker #86 proves that all bark and no bite means you won't have to mow the grass in the morning.

And representing the far Red team, Mel tones Freed Man #420 has displayed the crushing power of individualism, and is trampling his opponent mercilessly.

Will Johnny regroup? Will Mel be charged with a crime?

...and here we go....

nailingit — June 11, 2011 at 11:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey sporty,

To be honest with you, I don't really care what you two are arguing about. In the real world, it doesn't really amount to the fuzz on a gnat's behind. You guys have been at it for as long as I can remember and I'm pretty sure nothing will ever be resolved.

I was just wondering why you changed your name.

hawkeye — June 12, 2011 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I agree - the problems you list are real, and many are at the critical stage. But is creating a national public works program a real solution that addresses root cause? Roosevelt's New Deal and Eisenhower's Highway Act provided short term solutions at best. Because they also contributed to later problems by facilitating growth and population expansion, thus requiring even greater need for the very problems they fixed. One can also argue that the two modern attempts to resolve these issues on the scale needed were Stalin's five year plans and Japan's post-WWII reconstruction. Both required putting the public good ahead of the individual. The Soviet approach failed for a number of reasons, and it appears that the more Westernized Japan becomes the more they're sliding into the same problems we have.

I don't know the answers. I do believe our governments are trying to accomplish too much - they've obviously subscribed to the belief that we have unlimited wealth in this country that can be tapped into. And we can argue all day over whether the capitalist economic system, the labor movements, etc, have run their course.

Locally, we've got the whole CRC project, which I'm surprised you didn't address specifically. To me, what's being proposed is a short term solution at best that will provide absolutely no relief to the traffic congestion. (Hence the earthquake rationale being applied.) The best answer from a Clark County perspective is more bridges. But it seems Oregon is being allowed to nix that solution. The next best would be to severely restrict residential growth here until we can figure how to bring more businesses to this side of the river. And seeing as how the developers reportedly own our city and county governments, that won't happen.

roger — June 12, 2011 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

rodger- Having a hard time deciphering why you addressed this issue. Could you explain your statement, "Roosevelt's New Deal and Eisenhower's Highway Act provided short term solutions at best. Because they also contributed to later problems by facilitating growth and population expansion, thus requiring even greater need for the very problems they fixed."

Is this to say that the population increased because we looked to the future and prepared?

What??? Please explain.

I don't have all the answers either. But we need, as a country to shore up and repair what we've instituted, put people to work, and prepare for the future.

We have the money. It's a matter of how it's spent.

nailingit — June 12, 2011 at 11:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Columbians experiment with social media does not fulfill and extend our cherished fundamental freedoms, particularly the freedom of speech and privacy.

This experiment to merge civil freedom with a giant information gathering enterprise seems one more manifestation of the homogenization of culture, with a bland superficiality. It is a perfect match for the major political parties, where everything and everyone fits into predictable boxes.

Humankind has gone through the most rapid changes imaginable in the shortest period of its history, and therefore requires even greater change in our way of thinking.

A viable third party would go a long way to fracturing the deathgrip the establishment has on our country. The Libertarians come close in many respects yet are still lacking in several key areas.

Going back to the origins of our country, we find some very fundamental truths in the constitution. Where are the leaders in this generation who can match the brilliance of the first progenitors? What inspired them to great ideas?

I believe they were more connected to real life, the seasons, nature, life and death. They were well read. They were free of the distractions of this current time. They had time and space to consider the true application of wisdom.

That's not to say they were faultless. Even the constitution must come under scrutiny to keep relevant to changing times.

The challenge is to keep our cherished values while giving up what doesn't work--or purging it.

mangoboy — June 12, 2011 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Lets face it here..
Our Dams, highways, power grids, seawalls, dikes, roads, streets, cities, towns are all deteriorating at a fast pace.
Why? Because our government would rather spend money for ignorant programs, millions to get re-elected and tell our kids they will not be anyone, they don't count unless they go to college, get a degree and high pay jobs.
That leaves who to do the repair and building of new?
Why not encourage those who don't or can't go to college to go to a trade school? If we don't go back to those days when our schools did that..
Who will you turn to for plumbing, auto repairs, who is going to build new homes, buildings for businesses, repair the electricity lines when they go down????
It has rapidly come to the point that you have those with college degrees and those who don't. Those that don't are the ones living off those who do. This is only going to get worse.

This country has ran industry to other countries cause of taxes, fees, epa, labor laws and yes even unions to some extent.
Even farming is being out sourced.
Start paying attention people at how much of your food is grown and processed in other countries!

There is so many factors as to why America is crumbling and not one elected critter gives a good damn. All they want, is elected so they can continue to live the high life of the elite, do as they want and tell us what to do and how to live.

ELISI — June 12, 2011 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


We spread into areas that didn't support high density population before these projects. Because of this, the need they were supposed to resolve once again became a problem. We tend to fix for the present, or maybe a generation or two in the future. Long term or permanent fixes tend to elude us.

Why did I address it? Because the solution Allen proposes, a national public works program, will be more of the same - a self perpetuating process. We need a longer term approach - one that can't be changed by the whims of the political process. And how to accomplish this with our current form of government is something I can't answer.

And then I threw in the CRC because it fit the conversation - sort of, anyhow. There were various ideas offered up, but the solution they selected resolves nothing more than not having to wait for an occasional bridge lift.

roger — June 12, 2011 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

rodger-I don't think we can fix a couple of generations ahead, given unpredicted technology, we don't even posses the tools. We can project needs for the current population and some years ahead, but long term fixes will always allude us to a large degree. Still not sure as to the preparedness question, but that's cool.

Our current form of government is a democracy that chooses leadership at the polls. Those leaders in turn work through our political process to strengthen our system. Not perfect, but I'll take it over most other forms. Not trying to be confrontational here, but what are you implying?

nailingit — June 12, 2011 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Right on all counts. Still, It ain't gonna change until things get a lot worse. Its a critical tipping point that is not known, could be a few years or decades away.

Most people are feeling the stress, yet, are coping and adopting, per "survival instincts." It falls to our us to have a blueprint ready, an emergency response plan for an almost total failure of all infrastructure systems and the crumbling of the thin veneer of civility.

First is self reliance, secondly a restructuring, reorganization of all levels of government and the removal of establishment types and their machinations. Only when things are really bad will people come to their senses and realize the necessity for real change...

mangoboy — June 12, 2011 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree - there's nothing better out there. And I've lived or visited most places the Army stations people, so I don't buy the idea of a utopian Euro socialism, for example.

There needs to be a long term, coherent policy for maintaining our infrastructure - one that the politicos can't touch based on the public opinion of the moment. Actually, you hit the nail with your previous comment of "We have the money. It's a matter of how it's spent." But the pie isn't as large as some people believe it is. So, what government programs and spending do we move the money from? Or, how do we create more wealth so everything can be funded? Spending money to make money doesn't appear to have worked. Is it true that the wealthy and the corporations aren't paying their "fair" share? Some point at our importing more than we export as being the problem; if this was true, then how do we explain Holland's long term financial stability? Your point that planning too far ahead isn't possible is good for details, but what about having a policy that says something like maintaining the infrastructure is a primary function of the federal government? Right now, they seem to think it's a secondary concern that they don't have to fund.

And my feelings aren't hurt by confrontation or debate over the "rightness/wrongness" of ideas. It's how we learn and grow. If you want to say I'm full of s**t - feel free to do so. They've got a few good discussions going on the Facebook side, but most is just repeating the same old jargon, cranky Bob rants, and a few people saying how nice everyone is.

roger — June 12, 2011 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal rock dude! All great questions, and subject matter that needs discussion from our elected leaders. Thanks for bringing clarity to the long term infrastructure question. I think there's a lot of merit in what you are saying.

nailingit — June 12, 2011 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

man...watching Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday use Tim Pawlenty as target practice. A good topic would be who would make up the most viable ticket for the GOP in 2012. At least one "true conservative" has to be on the ticket. At least given history, that seems to be the case, making a Romney/Huntsman not likely. I think it's going to be Romney/and I don't know.

nailingit — June 12, 2011 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit - one minor correction, if I may. Everyone who has stayed with the open forums rocks. To quote someone or other - "Good stuff all!"

But if alleycat starts feeding us excerpts from Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance....

roger — June 12, 2011 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There needs to be a long term, coherent policy for maintaining our infrastructure -?

And what about a long term, coherent policy for housing, education, health care, jobs? Its all in the toilet.

What about a long term strategy to reduce government inefficiency?

Look how government is handling the CRC. Nice job? The phrase interlocking directorates comes to mind, and a few others that cannot be printed even on a pseudo name forum.

Its a bit misleading, the "crumbling infrastructure" phrase. Don't forget the rural to urban migration that has been occurring for many years. Do we want to rebuild roads and bridges in ghost towns across America?

"Modernize" infrastructure might be a better approach, rather than "repair crumbling infrastructure." But who wants to raise taxes yet again on working people? You cannot go to that well an unlimited number of times. Especially with chronic unemployment and huge deficit spending numbers. I'm afraid self imposed austerity will continue to erode the lifestyles of the American middle class and of course everyone beneath. Obama better come up with some better employment numbers before November 2012 or he's toast!

mangoboy — June 12, 2011 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Chris Wallace interview of Pawlenty was strange. I was watching Fox news on the cable side, and they were acting like it was a must see interview. So I turned Wallace on, and it seemed as though he was trying to show Pawlenty up. I thought he was one of their main hopes for 2012 - wonder what that was all about?

To date, Romney is the only Repub that I can see mainstream Independents voting for. The Tea Partyers will probably back Palin, unless Bachman or the NJ governor decide to play. I think if I was the Repub shotcaller I'd take a chance with pairing Romney with Huntsman and focus on some of what Texas has done. (Which may not be as great as being hyped - seems I saw one of the bottom of the screen news blurbs say something about losing jobs.) But I think most people, to include Republicans, are starting to see the downside of the "let's trash the public sector" jargon, and the pols pushing that as their big ticket item will have to fold.

Just what is a "true conservative"? I used to think WF Buckley Jr, but he changed course so many times later on that I'm not so sure. Maybe the old Barry Goldwater Repubs, if any are left?

roger — June 12, 2011 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'll agree with your intro - our federal government is doing a poor job with the people programs too. Which pretty much leaves us with shutting down overseas military operations and bases, downsizing DOD, and cutting back all foreign aid programs. Return to the pre-WWII isolationism and fix ourselves first. (Is this truly a good idea?) But if we don't maintain the ports, roads, rail, etc, then we won't have the economy (jobs) to maintain anything else.

Where I'll disagree is your contention that we're all migrating from rural to urban - most are choosing suburban. And this requires cars, or some other personal transportation! Which is why I oppose the CRC plan to bring light rail to Vancouver - the only people who'll benefit from this boondoggle are the few who work in downtown Portland west of the Willamette. Seeing as how they already have C-Tran express buses, why bother? And I'm also in the camp that says a new I5 bridge will accomplish nothing more than eliminate a few bridge lifts. To move highway traffic quicker, they'll have to fix the freeway and interchanges further south - and Portland won't do that any time soon.

roger — June 12, 2011 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And the suburban settlement pattern you mention gobbles up more infrastructure, compared to the European settlement pattern, with higher density, less infrastructure. But that ain't America, we like our space--nevermind the costs. Think about what our total transportation bill is, when you include all of the tangential items. Even paying cops $100,000 a year to hand out traffic tickets, for example.

In the same vein the light rail doesn't work, because of the lack of density. It does work in some of the larger, denser urban areas back east, though.

No, we have a political system in place that is fossilized and ready to crumble, just like the infrastructure.

mangoboy — June 12, 2011 at 4:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Because of bucks bolts and jolts Romney I think will outlast anyone the GOP can put up. With some would be contenders either dropping out, NJ Gov making dumb helicopter transpo decisions(gotta be the tip of the iceberg) and track record...vetting several candidates is something I'm glad the Dems don't have to do this year.

Per usual the "conservative" base will have to be appeased. And per usual there doesn't seem to be a viable conservative candidate available. In D.C. In all of America. In the entire world...and dare I say..yes, the Universe!

nailingit — June 12, 2011 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm not counting out the USA just yet. We've had an easy ride for a while now but when the going gets tough....

If American workers have a job, they will work. Its a nation built on hard work, and overwork, If anything...

America has a "patent" on America. No other country can claim our unique exceptionalism in so many areas.

World leader in arms manufacturing-ok, a dubious distinction, but true nonetheless.

Not to mention aerospace, agriculture, entertainment, ivy league schools, medical research, auto manufacturing, tourism, and home of the English language and the American dollar. And still the wealthiest nation on the planet. So things could be a lot worse. And the best entertainment value going-for 80 bucks, you and your family can visit every national park in the country for a full year. Not a bad deal...

mangoboy — June 12, 2011 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'll pass on Sonny's quotes. I've got a friend living outside Phoenix - he says Sonny moved there a couple of years ago, and that he's a pretty nice old guy. Something about his vocal cords and hard to understand, but he can still party with the younger guys. Me - I kept dumping my 650 BSA that I had around '71-'72, and finally came to the realization that I need to stick with 4 wheels.

roger — June 12, 2011 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hey alleycat, you talk like bikers are some special breed or something. They (you) are just regular people that ride bikes, nothing special with the exception that some of them forgot how to bathe.

hawkeye — June 12, 2011 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen-June 12 2011 at 5:14 p.m. The reason I think Mitt will go all the way is the money. He's got more moola than he knows what to do with, and political connections that have lasted generations. Outside of flip flopping on everything, to include healthcare, I think he's the most viable. The repubs will screw it up. They are getting as bad as the dems at shooting themselves in the foot. He's the guy that could have beat Obama in 08, but the good ol' boy got the nod. He's terrible in the jobs creation market. Someone brought up on I think it was Meet the Press today, that Massachusetts was #47 in the country in job creation.

nailingit — June 12, 2011 at 9:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alley-what's up with the hell's angels crap. I've known a few "outlaw bikers" in my time.

Nothing personal alley, I won't tell you what kind of fun they would have with a sailboater.

The angels, as well as the many off shoots and wannabees spend most of their time behind bars if society is fortunate. Drug running to control the southwestern meth trade, murder for hire and you name it.

Corrupted suits...what leather suits? Not to be confrontational, but trumping a criminal enterprise that screws up so many people in the name of freedom ain't right dude.

Most of these guys will sell their mama for month's worth of meth and a stolen credit card.

Integrity! LOL!

It makes me think at best you're a weekend warrior. There's nothing wrong with that.

At least you're not committed to bullying, raping, and stealing your way through life.

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, I'm not so sure you are one of those "bikers". I think you're a wanna be, sure, it's a nice dream but really, how many real bikers have a house that they are remodeling, a sailboat at a marina and post online on a forum?

OK, all you hard-ass bikers out there, raise your hands!

See, not so much.

While I understand you wanting to belong and your need to fit in with a certain group, I don't think that's the group for you. I have known many members of ABATE and worked with a few and they have all been regular, hard working responsible people that like to ride bikes.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alley..I'm not 'using you' or making you a 'scapegoat' for anything. It's nothing personal, not in the least and not sure why you take it that way. I'd just rather see people trump substantive examples of freedom fighters than site a bunch of dysfunctional criminals with screwed up childhoods on two wheels. It's a free country, and It's great that you can spout your opinion, as I can mine. Not all "outlaw bikers" are bad. Just most who 'really are', for a myriad of reasons. There's too much one has to turn their eyes and ears from if one is on the inside. And to witness, condone, participate, keep quiet about...all things above usually involve folks without a spine, or the backbone to do what's right. The prisons are full of them. Please, feel free to tout your hero's creed. Organized crime. It is what it is. To site disfunction in our government in order to give a free pass to organized crime isn't new, that always has been the mobs excuse! That's my opinion and please, once again, I don't think there is a need for you to take this personally.

Dude I'm not talking history channel, weekend lock -up or some fluff piece on Barger. I will say that I never had any outlaw acquaintances whose chapters have originated from this area. I have noticed a few boy scouts runnin' round though. Peace.

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


yeah. i saw some of that 'codes traditions and subculture' in cali's deserts around the 60's

aptly named 'hell's angels'

DeeLittle — June 13, 2011 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL DeeLittle,

In Idaho the group of bikers were called Gypsy Jokers.
I saw those bikers in Ca, most are dead or rotting away in prison for their "code".

Those are bad and ugly of the "biker" groups. Prostitution, drugs, gun runners..

The good biker groups are ones that ride for charity, work within the community to better things for the good of everyone.

ELISI — June 13, 2011 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I see Gregoire isn't going to run for the third term.


ELISI — June 13, 2011 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — June 13, 2011 at 12:29 p.m.

We have the Gypsy Jokers here too. They used to be a force in P town but not so much anymore. There are still a few of them around but they aren't as active as they were in the 70's. Of course Alleycat might argue with me 'cause he's been a big bad biker since 1971. Ohhhhh I'm impressed. In 1971, I was packing an M16 in the jungle, so I wouldn't know.

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I hear ya Hawk. Hubby was over there 69-70.

He was stationed in Ca from 70 to 72 and we seen plenty Hells Angel's and others up and down the freeway. In the small towns around the airbase we were at, they always intimated the people, raised hell and tore properties up. Came into town like a swarm of locust and left.

In Idaho, the Gypsy Jokers mainly kept to themselves.
Didn't cause too much trouble.
Couple of that group rented a house a few homes down from where my parents lived. They had a ton of German Shepard dogs. The dogs ran free all the time doing their business in everybody's yards. My Dad got tired of the piles in his front yard so one day he took the snow shovel, scooped up the piles and threw them all over the window, front door, steps and sidewalk of the house of the renters. He did this daily until they finally got the hint and kept the dogs in their backyard.

ELISI — June 13, 2011 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

[Ten Most Notorious Biker Gangs plus ten more ][1]

Some of your friends Chief?


kn_dalai — June 13, 2011 at 3:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just because that's what YOU believe, doesn't mean it's true.

"One of the characteristics is that Bikers are at constant war against other Bikers for territorial purposes. Deadly, bloody warfare. The evidence is overwhelming...the training is there and executed worldwide."

Same goes for gangs and the Mafia. It don't make you any better or worse. It just makes you the same as a bully. So, now it's time you sell your house, your stupid boat, leave your wife and kids, your computer and Iphone and go out on the road and BE ALL YOU CAN BE, Mr. Bad-ass.

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh wait, I don't know what I was thinking..... You can't leave now, it might rain!

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Actually, if all that really happens, you will be the LAST person I'll be thinking about unless you come by my house for a handout from my garden in which case, don't ride on the lawn.

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hey cat, also I may or may not have a couple of Castro's finest in my humidor.

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — June 13, 2011 at 3:48 p.m.

Here's a more complete news report on the missing money, which Allen seems unable to link to, for some reason. As usual.


So Catnip, what’s your point. Are you suggesting that G.W.Bush, and cronies, sent billions in cash over there so they could steal it and then divide it up amongst themselves? You kind of jump to conclusions there don’t you?

Have you ever seen that movie “Kelly’s Heroes”?


kn_dalai — June 13, 2011 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Right. Ahem.

So are you saying that Bush stole those billions?

kn_dalai — June 13, 2011 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh. BTW. Considering your affinity for outlaw bikers, (and might I add, a fixation that I have always been aware of), (and further more I might add, anyone who has read your posts from the time you first posted as phoenix_rising, should also have been aware of), and your defense of certain…” my way or the highway outlooks”, I have thought that I may have miscast you as the Chief.


I am now considering my next theatrical presentation which I have tentatively titled “Nurse Ratchet’s Dungeon of Death” in which you figure to play a leading role.

kn_dalai — June 13, 2011 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

City Council will be on CVTV at 6:30 or 7:00 tonight. City of Vancouver website says 6:30 and TV schedule says 7:00.

This is a Consent Meeting so there will be a Citizen Forum at the end. The Citizen Forum means that anyone from anywhere can speak on anything. The Columbian doesn't cover these meetings in a way one would expect from a local paper if they cover them at all. The Oregonian does seem to cover to some extent.

buckeye71 — June 13, 2011 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

YES! Another Knd production in the works. Kevorkian air bubbles, Indian uprisings, local ho's gone wild...only Knd knows what masterpiece is being envisioned!

Hawk, I gave up tobaccy for good about five years ago. I will say that a high end Cohiba tastes as good as tobacco can. Just thinking about one makes me salivate! Several years ago a bud of mine who's married to a Cuban and has connects in Florida, broke out a couple of high end Cohiba's, they were valued almost a bill a piece. I gotta say, if I were to have a last meal, one of those would do nicely. Almost edible. Come to think of it, perhaps Bill thought the same way!

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

We can all rest now. Everything well and....right.

Michele Bachman announced her candidacy for the office of the Presidency today.

Unemployment should go down, the markets will get a push, America's foes are trembling...

Sarah must be pissed.

Only in America!

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alley? Turning America completely over to the banks and corporations without any type of regulatory control is what you are after?

A bagger is the lone wolf of sensibility?

Man....I'm startin' to feel one of my lyrical, lymrical, poemtittical, convolutional nonesensical urges comin' on! I will try and repress it for the benefit of all!

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So what are you saying, nail? Bachman/Palin?

Scarey stuff

hawkeye — June 13, 2011 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Honestly Alleycat, I am in total agreement with you politically but cut out the "bikers are best" stuff. It does not wash. And while at it, cut out the somewhat male chauvinistic stuff you are at times spouting. This stuff about women working or not having sex with hubbies or whatever little stabs you present at times is getting old. Are you even aware how that reads at times? You are a smart guy, dude, but I am tired of the biker stuff and the anti-female stabs. let's stick to politics and I am willing to listen to you as you make a heck of a lot of sense.

luvithere — June 13, 2011 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk I'm thinking Romney/Bachman or Romney/whoever the loudest conservative is at the moment...could be Palin. The Republicans have already tried to put her in power once, and there'e something to be said about paying your dues, and I'm sure the Baggers are keeping the Boehner in his ear. Boehner's been in the back pockets of corporations so long, he most likely never needs to shave. Good thing, some baggers might lose their future. Electric or straight edge would make all the difference!

I'd watch for a no name. Because anyone that currently has a name, has mucho baggage to go with it. Hell, I'll get on the ticket.


NAILING democracy to the wall!

STRIPPING off the emperor's clothing allowance!

POUNDING away at principles, and public education as a hole!

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...kinda quiet in here tonite so I thought I would give a shout out to...

Eric Holmes! Our beloved city manager for reinstating a cop that was bad enough to get fired.

This is why we have a city manager?

nailingit — June 13, 2011 at 10:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

you sound like you blame women for society's ills. A statement like 'women in workforce...destruction of society." Now now. Ain't going to wash here. Saw plenty of males in my life who need no help from females to screw it all up. if you got a personal issue with females, well, that is your personal issue.
I do not turn around and start bashing the men.
And all I meant with my statements re biker sis that I do not think bikers will have all the solutions and are the only real men left alive. What a silly conclusion to reach by anybody.
But as I said, I agree with you re politics, so it's all good. I just cannot stand male chauvinism and that's what I see from you.

luvithere — June 14, 2011 at 6:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal the scent of romance in the air?

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 7:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alley, my opinion still stands. Don't give me the stuff re women in workforce are bad. I know too many idiotic males in the workforce. And stop blaming menopause. Good grief, leave the 50s, my boy. This is the year 2011. You don't want me to start on what men have done in the past few thousands of years while 'in charge'. I could easily say that's why we are in the mess we are in. And maybe dads shoudl also look after the kiddies? Stop blaming women for your ills.
But enough. Accept the fact that women are no longer barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Not Taliban land here, it is the USA. Our choice, our freedom.

luvithere — June 14, 2011 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

o Alleycat, Alleycat,

one does seem to be having a lil bit of issue with ze females. LOL. You sound as determined and sure of your take on things like Bobbo Larimer with his. When it comes to this topic at least.

Wonder what the wife would say when you accuse her gender of such things. I am sure she would have a few choice words for you.
I do feel sorry for such strong males who can only feel good when bashing the women folk. And trust me, you bash. Us women do have names for the likes of you and your buddies. O the envy you experience....

end of story, no more discussion. let's get back to politics, there you make sense.

luvithere — June 14, 2011 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


That is pure BS!

The males have forced the females into the work space.
Male that are so insecure of their own male ego, ones that seek younger females to boost their male ego, males that seem to think the female is there solely to perform for them, sex, wait on hand and foot, pump out kids like rabbits. When they don't get what they want, when they want, they run. Pure fact!
I have seen it more than just a few times alleycat in my almost 60 yrs.
When left, the female has no other choice then to go to work if she was a stay at home mother.
Women over the years, woke up and and decided no more will they rely on a man for everything and why should they?

Even in the Bible it says that God made woman to be a "help mate" no where does it say she is to be a man's door mat.

I have found men who speak like you have about this, is ones that have been caught with their pants down and yeah, got took in the courts. Their dumb fault I say. You mess around, best be prepared to pay the piper.

I do agree there are woman out there that their sole purpose is using a man. So in my book they are no better. They are scum also.

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh snap, snap alleycat,

Yes, a "door mat" I have seen too many men, manipulative control freaks and what they do.

This one I know, he comes home when he wants, he is the only one in the house that is allowed to eat ice cream, while his kids watches, he takes mileage on his wife's car daily.
She'd best keep a running diary of her comings and goings and log the miles. The time she left home, to the store, dr etc, the millage, time when left to return home.
Log phone calls, numbers, who and what the conversation was about.
This lady and I went out for lunch, just because we weren't in the restaurant area and chose to sit in the lounge area
(much more quiet), he showed up and made her leave just cause she wasn't exactly where she said she'd be.
He and he alone is on the banks accounts, he alone is on the mortgage papers etc. Both cars are in his name only.
He is such a control freak that his retirement and insurance is in his brothers name, not his wife's or kids.

They have been married 22 yrs, I have known them for 19 of those years.
He leaves work and goes on drunk binges for days, never calls, never goes home until he is ready too. Doesn't leave her any money for food for her and the kids. I can't count the times I have took food to her so the kids could eat.

That me dear alleycat is what you call being a man's door mat.
Snap, snap...

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*If women do not deny sex to their men, men would not wander...
Signed and stamped
Alleycat, Troll and Pagan in Chief!
alleycat — June 14, 2011 at 12:32 p.m*

Poor alleycat, so sexual let me play the worlds smallest violin for you so you can cry me a river..

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 1:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Elisi for coming to my rescue and jumping in also. My last thought on the battle of the sexes. and if the male can't satisfy the woman, she gets to do what AlleyCat says to do: go look somewhere else. Ha!

Alleycat, so sorry I compared you to Bobbo. Now that I think abotu it, that is a really bad insult. Naturally, you do not sound like him 99% of the time. NOBODY sounds like larimer, it is not possible. If he is on his humanist rampage again, he typically foams at mouth. I have rarely met such a fine specimen of the male type that has one brain cell to use, and I hope he is rare. Otherwise I would have to say many bad bad things about the males. We did plenty of that today.
Now for sure back to politics.

luvithere — June 14, 2011 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Posted a comment a bit ago but it seems to have been lost.
Alley, i can now agree 100% with your last 2 comments

luvithere — June 14, 2011 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Michele Bachman. A serious contender for the Presidency. The GOP should...once again..

..just be ashamed of themselves...but their not! Amazing! No shame, no ethics, no victory!

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

They need to get my Sarah back in the saddle. She's clearly the most qualified and competent of the bunch.

Go Sarah!!

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Does anyone else believe that women today tend to objectify men? We are just some piece of meat to be ravaged at their behest? Sometimes I don't like going out in public, the way some look me up and down and on occasion...say something suggestive. But I fight through it. Day after day. On the other hand, I have noticed that by and large women are very well respected and treated with dignity.

Let's all keep in mind that a human being exists beneath our clothes. Not just flesh..


nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 4:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Releasing all their sexual energy by themselves or playing the on line dating game to be disappointed many times..
alleycat — June 14, 2011 at 4:57 p.m*

LOLOLOL alleycat is that the excuse you use when you spent tad too much time in the shower or your wife's lotion disappears? ;)

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 5:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Madore did not check out current management or history or people or anything before publicly announcing his run for a public office spot with the port?

Alleycat, I know Madore seems to be a successful business owner, did he seem like the type to do something so reckless, ill thought and so ill conceived? Does this speak to more?

Or is something fishy at the Port?

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Or is he expecting to run for an office that brings a much higher profile to it in order to evangelize and tarnish the populace with his brand of conservatism?

If what you say is true. That he has a life size cutout of George Bush in his office, and emulates bushes decision making, and this latest thing at the Port....???

So many conservatives are confused as to their identity and place in the world, I didn't think he would fall into that category but you never know. Some people cry on the inside and laugh on the out.

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No, there isn't an ulterior motive for Madore's withdrawal. In his letter to The Columbian he said that AFTER throwing his hat in the ring he went and actually reviewed what the incumbents have accomplished. On doing so, he realized the 2 names mentioned have done a good job given the current situation, and he wasn't going to be able to improve on their performance. Or, more plainly put, the one he was going to run against would more than likely kick his butt. Not a good thing for one aspiring to higher level government positions. And probably a very smart move on Madore's part. His next move ought to be interesting - the CRC project is reaching a critical stage; the funding and overall GO/NO GO decisions will have to be made in the next year or two, and I'm sure he wants to be involved with this in some official capacity.

roger — June 14, 2011 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As The World Turns was highly entertaining - I laughed my butt off reading the exchanges between Alleycat, luvithere and Elisi. Sorry, Alley, but I think they got you this time. I'm surprised you weren't asked to ride sidesaddle in penance.

roger — June 14, 2011 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*LOL Elisi aren't we funny today....whatever it takes...pass your lotion....who knows....I could put it to good use...since you are good for the retirement home already....hahahah
alleycat — June 14, 2011 at 5:13 p.m*

Oh BIG snap, snap alleycat me boy..tread carefully...I maybe close to 60 honey, but I bet I could run circles around you.

Mess with an Irish/American Indian/Dutch lassie will get you in deep puppy do...

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In all seriousness, I must ask you,..

If Madore makes things for as you say "the war machine" so you wouldn't support him if he does..
Then how much GE products have you bought over the years?
How many times have you flown in your lifetime on an aircraft made by Boeing or Airbus?
Danner makes boots for the military, ever bought a pair of Danner boots?
New Balance makes running shoes for all branches of the military, ever bought a pair?
All used for killing people, boots and shoes on the feet of humans that are trained to kill.
Aircraft, to take said humans to the battle, bomb..
GE was making the triggers for nukes..
I am sure there are other companies out there, these just a few off the top.

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, this whole thing cracks me up. You would think an "educated" man like Madore would do a little investigating before jumping in with both feet. I know I would and I'm not a business owner OR rich. So if you extrapolate that equation..... rich, educated, business owners.. not so smart after all.

hawkeye — June 14, 2011 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Not really Hawkeye, how many times have you..umm jumped into something on a spur of the moment and then thought you shouldn't have?

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So, the feds say they didn't do anything wrong in their decision for the casino, huh?

Well, I say build the darn thing. If it makes it, good. If it doesn't, oh well. It's just like any other business, only the strong survive.

Of course, the County will waste more money fighting it and Spirit Mountain will pitch in a few hundred thousand dollars along with the Columbian and the La Center "casino" card rooms.

You bozos really want to do something? Take the money you are willing to spend on this and put it to good use helping others. That goes for you too, Scott Campbell.

hawkeye — June 14, 2011 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry ELISI, never anything THAT public.

hawkeye — June 14, 2011 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI- Don't you think think this is a bit exceptional? Madore has placed himself in the middle of public controversy on several occasions, has knowingly made himself a lightning rod to his critics by using his soap box and boisterous voice to express opinions A-Z. He is a seasoned public speaker that has a history of jumping into controversy This might have been a case of haste in wanting public attention. He used to post on these threads.

Right before he stopped posting, he was decrying and shouting against the ability his critics had on these threads................... to post here anonymously. Shortly after FB was in the works, and during the comments concerning Jaime H-B's town hall, this editor jumped into the conversation and said it indeed was a comin' regardless that no one brought it up.

I bet the phone was ringing off the hook!!! LOL!!!

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


These fatcat millionaire business people could give a rat's ass about the general populations health care. They just want to line their wallets off the backs of the middle class.

Just sick of people that move into our community, reap the bennies for doing business here,

then advocate to cut spending on our kids education and welfare, to repeal funding that's already approved, so we, the taxpayer can hand the millionaire's a welfare check in tax breaks. It's not right, human, Christian or MusJewCathoBat, it's just not right.

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Peace and amen.

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

sss..hey...luvithere, hows it goin'? Nice night tonite. Not tryin' to mock block alleycat but...I love women in the workforce!

nailingit — June 14, 2011 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 14, 2011 at 10:44 p.m

I can say the same about our president.

He too promised jobs, he promised change..he gave people hope, well, where are the jobs?..last I knew for those 18 to 24 unemployment rate is over 16% nationwide. For Clark county I'm sure it's much higher.
change.. I see the same policies in place that Bush had

ELISI — June 14, 2011 at 11:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A letter this morning addresses the runaway gun crimes we have here in WA. Imagine, some idiot is suggesting background checks to make sure mentally unstable people and criminals aren't buying guns. The nerve! This is Vantucky! That damn Obummer must be behind this...tryin' ta take ma freedums an' such.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Laws aren't on the books to stop, just prevent. Maybe if we offered good behaving convicted felons in lock-up a free Glock upon their released, it would encourage niceness within the prison pop. We could then reduce the number of incarcerated cons and prison staff could be reduced. Early release dates with a Glock would free up space in our houses of rehabilitation. We could use that space to provide instructional room for under privileged K-12 students, who have suffered due to the roll back on taxes.

The sharing of prisons and school is not a new concept. Think seminary school.

Consolidate the two, lease the freed up school building space and give the proceeds to multi-million dollar businesses in WA. It would help create jobs, and job security for first responders and hospitals in the area. A win-win-win.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Let's just give the Republicans our country. Today. The incestual combination of the Paul Bros could handle the money side while Palin, Bachman and the South would dictate our social structure. It's inevitable when people vote on emotion, rather than policy this will take place. Let's do it now, get RyanCare going on and ship our kids to china, those between the ages of 5-18, to work for our corporations, bring em back at 18 and stick em in the military to fight for the right to work in China.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...and just one not last thing...God Bless America!

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...and just one not x 2 last thing...gun safety courses are WAY overrated. To think, that big Government would ask anyone to take such a course when clearly every citizen is already informed and prepared.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Tell us what the democrats promise...then we all can compare them both...side by side.
Then let the campaign begin...Dems bad mouthing Repubs, Repubs bad mouthing Dems..oldest game in DC and across this land. Both parties got us into this mess..
Both parties are failures, both are liars..

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal hunch needed. That's the Republican plan and they are open about it. Same with the healthCare plan...your fave girls ... the Pauls are frothing at the mouth with those kind of ideas! LOL! Your girls aren't even trying to disguise their motivations. It's hard to understand why anyone that is not supremely wealthy and selfish would support them.

Get educated people!

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey cat, seems you are all full of questions.

How about some answers.

hawkeye — June 15, 2011 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

WOW have you guys read forethought's comment in Open Forum, June 13-19?

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Let's consider that what you say is true...wouldn't the elite know everything was about to crumble for them? Wouldn't they be worried? Wouldn't they know that they had to give a little and stabilize the middle class so that they could continue to prosper? Wouldn't that negate the need for anyone to worry?

playa — June 15, 2011 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The Republican elite in Wisconsin see it coming. That's why they are taking so many underhanded measures to enact law before they are recalled. The Republicans are holding up the debt ceiling that in part pays for Obama's 800 Billion dollar tax break package, much of it going to big business to..."stir" the economy.

Rescind the tax cuts. Along with every pork barrel project these fatcat's are involved with.

Time for Obama to get tough...don't know if it will happen or not but it's well beyond time.

Add up all the money the GOP has spent since 2010 trying to structurally reengineer the social values of our society. Send Boehner a bill and have the house pay up.

Put Utah on a 72 hour notice that it will no longer be an independent state, they are to merge with Arizona and abide by the new rule of law which will be designed and implemented by me. Non-compliance will result in the government putting 50 million hits of birth control in their water supply. In a conservatives mind that would result in mass genocide and they would quickly succumb to new policy.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

WOW have you guys read forethought's comment in Open Forum, June 13-19?

ELISI -- Yes. Thanks for recommending it here. I imagine it won't be up very long.

buckeye71 — June 15, 2011 at 11:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I am using this forum to announce my candidacy for President.

Please contact this paper for $$$ contributions to be sent o me.

...feelin' like you've been shelved? nailingit in 012.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

buckeye71 and Allen,

Why are we not surprised at what is in that comment?

I agree buckeye, I have a feeling it won't take too much longer before someone sees it and dumps it off here. Can't speak badly about the Chi-town boy ya know..
I have it saved in email for anyone that wants to read it if it gets dumped.

Allen, right on about control freak..those kind stand out with red flags all around em.

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 12:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh I am so laughing right now....LOL

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit in 2012 !!!!

Can I be your campaign manager? I might even vote for you, if I can.

hawkeye — June 15, 2011 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — June 15, 2011 at 3:35 p.m.

THat is nothing new alleycat, Oregon over the years has sold much of Portland to Japan and the Arab countries.

Do a tad bit of research and you'll find it.
Schools, blocks of downtown, waterfront...etc

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Evidently Mr Lou B. isn't checking out this "The everglade" area of the C since Forethought's comment is still there.

Oh I am still laughing...

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yeah, but what are the chances Mr. Lou will shut this side down entirely once he does discover the comment? If he's truly as described, that can't be ruled out.

But, the chances are even better that he's decided to ignore us. For now, anyhow.

roger — June 15, 2011 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From the article on Jamie calling for a county-wide C-Tran vote -

"Herrera Beutler wrote a similar letter to the C-Tran board last month, after Vancouver’s three representatives from the city council threatened to use a bloc veto to stop the board from deciding on a district or subdistrict vote, saying more information was necessary."

"She said she has not received a response to her May 11 letter."

Now, a common observation by many is that Jamie isn't exactly the sharpest tack around. So, what does that say for our C-Tran board when they elect to ignore someone who is on the committee that will decide whether to fund this project?

roger — June 15, 2011 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- Without a doubt! Power to the people! We'll have this ship righted in no time. These baggers will be left with their chins hanging out. From Olympia to New Jersey, Jersey to Orlando, from Orlando to Vegas...I vow to council with the ancients if they deem me worthy, to fill the plates and roll some bowls up the balls of existential existents. To nourish the souls of a lost society, and destroy the will of those that corrupt!

Let them be baked! Dope and La Grange you can believe in!***

Yes we can! Yes we will!

***all campaign promises subject to federal and local law. nailingit nor campaign neither endorse or advocate unlawful activity

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

But, the chances are even better that he's decided to ignore us. For now, anyhow.

roger — June 15, 2011 at 5:31 p.m

Which maybe true. But many of us c/p-ed that into emails to those who have chosen not to post anymore. So what was said is making it's way around.
IMO he is exactly as described by Forethought, he showed that many times in some of his articles and his comments.

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A willful campaign of the people, for the people, to shut every church door in the country.

Religion...the opiate of the masses, the elixir of the asses, from chapel to stake, tax and bake.

We need sound reasoning. I vow to pass legislation that will give every American the opportunity to spend one week per year in Hawaii. Drastic changes in the tax code and healthcare. I will withdraw ALL American troops from the middle east within 1 year, regardless of conditions. Our military resources shall invade, conquer and occupy Cuba. All military personnel to receive 1 year paid R&R; in Cuba. All military divorce proceedings will be free of charge. This is the kick off...more to come. Hawk I've thought about La Center for local campaign headquarters, but will value your input.

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think as soon as we can, we should put the Casino on the fast track and mount your attack from the top floor of the hotel. The whole top floor. If they try really hard, they can have it done within a few months. Every spin of every slot machine will contribute two cents to the campaign, that should have us really flush in no time. This campaign will owe no one and everyone, what a concept. I'm excited and looking forward to the challenge.

hawkeye — June 15, 2011 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Brilliant! The top down approach from the top down!

We shall require sustenance. Upgrades for the restaurant, cocktail servers need additional training, this political penthouse shall represent the dreams of the American male. It will provide a high way to fill the asspirations as well as assign connectivity to the American female.

From bikers to hikers, it shall be a beacon of light to those given to sully ness.

Would the Columbian endorse me?......ah hell no they won't.

There could be a slot for the Chief if interested. No money down..of course.

If Knd would make himself available as a consultant to all things reality it would help.

I know what's on the horizon, I can't be mine own worst enemy...with so many failings...God help me do this. I promise to give back what others take. I will look to Newt Gingrich for inspiration when things get too harried. I might get fickle with my pickle like Newt due to stress, at least I have a role model and a crutch in which to support my third leg.

I will hobble on. Yes. Hobble on I will. I will interview prospective lean too's on the morrow!

nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***This reminded me of Alleycat***

There I was sitting at the bar staring at my drink when a large, trouble-making biker steps up next
to me, grabs my drink and gulps it down in one swig.

whatcha' gonna do about it?" he says, menacingly, as I burst into tears.

"Come on,
man," the biker says, "I didn't think you'd CRY. I can`t stand to see
a man crying."

"This is the worst day of my life," I say.
"I'm a complete failure. I was late to a meeting and my boss fired me. When I went to the parking lot, I
found my car had been stolen and I don't have any insurance. I left my
wallet in the cab I took home. I found my wife with another man and then
my dog bit me."

"So I came to this bar to work up the courage to put an
end to it all, I buy a drink, I drop a capsule in and sit here watching the
poison dissolve; then you show up and drink the whole thing! ......... But enough about me, how's your day going?"

hawkeye — June 15, 2011 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 15, 2011 at 8:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL good one Hawkeye!!

I like this one..

Late one night, a burglar broke into a house that he thought was empty. He stealthily crept through the lounge and was stopped dead in his tracks when he heard a loud voice clearly saying, 'Jesus is watching you!'

Silence returned to the house, so the burglar crept forward again.
'Jesus is watching you', the voice rang out again.

The thief stopped dead again. He was frightened out of his wits. Frantically, he looked all around. In a dark corner, he spotted a birdcage and in the cage was a parrot.

He asked the parrot, 'Was that you who said Jesus is watching me?'
'Yes', said the parrot.

The burglar breathed a heavy sigh of relief and asked the parrot: 'What's your name?'
'Ronald', said the bird.

'That's a stupid name for a parrot, 'sneered the burglar.' What idiot named you Ronald?'
The parrot said, 'The same idiot who named the Rottweiler Jesus.'

ELISI — June 15, 2011 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The big Weiner is going to QUIT. It's about time.

hawkeye — June 16, 2011 at 7:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Larimer's comment on the "medicinal pot" LTTE is a red herring. The medicinal efficacy of cannabis for many maladies has been clinically proven. I would suggest he go to PubMed, enter "cannabis" and cancer, or pain, or PTSD or...

And no, I didn't bother to follow his links.

Drift — June 16, 2011 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Drift, you don't understand. Larimer's (or Laimer's) comments on ***ANYTHING*** is wrong. And even if he could look at PubMed or any other link that has logical or actual studies on any subject, it wouldn't have any effect on his posts. He only knows what he thinks he knows regardless of whether he's right or wrong.

hawkeye — June 16, 2011 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Weiner should have resigned day of. In my mind, anyone that reckless can't be serving his constituency like he should, and with judgement that poor, taking away the Dems message for a couple of weeks, on our dime...he just NEEDS TO GO.

Not justifying his actions in the least, but we need a strong push on Vitter and others. Vitter even took calls from the DC madame on the house floor! The Dems need to put their liberal boot heel to the throats of these hypocritical republicans.

Hawk, would you dial up Heather Locklear and inform her that she has been selected for Chief of my Staff in the Up and Coming administration?

nailingit — June 16, 2011 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Bob is a contradiction, he believes in his "conservative" agenda and doesn't care how much he must expand government to achieve it. His desire to expand government is liberal and therefore contrary to his so called conservative views. He would be a libro-con, basically the worst of both views.

frobert — June 16, 2011 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ROFLMAO alleycat, that is old...seen it years ago..the original and the "beep" one.

1...2...3...4 faster, faster
So alleycat, are you telling all of us you actually count each stroke? muhahahhahhaa

ELISI — June 16, 2011 at 11:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mr. President (nailingit), I called Heather and she was really interested however, while we were on the phone together she got a call from Charlie Sheen asking her to run his comeback PR firm (it sounds like a long term thing) so I don't have a commitment from her as of now. I did put in a call to Paris Hilton but her personal assistant said she was "out of the country", I think they said she was in Minnesota. If you have any more ideas on who to call, please forward them to me. In the mean time, I'll be busy watching that new political show, I think they call it Larimer/Waters. It's purely fictional but it's really funny. Almost as good as The Daily Show.

hawkeye — June 16, 2011 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, I think the best way to get this economy going again is to knock $1.50 off the price of gas and diesel. Maybe people will get going again.

hawkeye — June 16, 2011 at 12:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cross posted at Open Forum

Did anyone notice that in order to reply to podcast, you have to sign up to be a Verified User including phone number?

buckeye71 — June 16, 2011 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dang alleycat, you're a jack rabbit!

Pointer Sisters...Slow hand...much more pleasurable..

ELISI — June 16, 2011 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I just heard the same group of super hackers that hacked into Sony, Nintendo, Senate and CIA web sites, Federal Reserve, also hacked into the FBI phone center flooded it so they couldn't get any calls out. Hacked Google and Yahoo email Facebook next?
I heard they tried to hack Facebook, but was met with a total shut down and blocking of the emails.

Anyone else heard more?

ELISI — June 16, 2011 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LMAO alleycat,

She singing about you? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

ELISI — June 16, 2011 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh I am laughing...

Looks like they have removed 2 of the 3 comments posted by Forethought yesterday has been removed...

ELISI — June 16, 2011 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Excellent idea hawkeye. The people's choice. Might I suggest a scaled tax in which the number will always end in .69 to remind America of the relationship with the Republican party and oil. That Paris is a sweetheart, and no doubt could firm things up around here. What about...

... auditioning for Chief of Staff. Leave open 7 calender days in July for this. Contact the front desk at the Moulin Rouge in Maui, inform them I'm leasing the property, during which time normal operations are suspended.

Thanks hawkeye. As soon as these interviews are done, we can all relax a bit.

No wonder our elected are stressed. This is already hard work.

nailingit — June 16, 2011 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI-LOL You are so correct. Along with rebukes and admonitions. Already they are putting their boot heel to our throats and threatening the life of these threads. Can they not bully enough? How ridiculous and repressive. This thing smells to high hell.

nailingit — June 16, 2011 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Did you also notice they removed manthou and seamus comments too? This is just too dang funny.

ELISI — June 16, 2011 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From Libby Tucker --- Columbian --- June 16

Roger, We would very much like to keep this anonymous forum, and we will as long as the comments here are in line with our community guidelines. But the quality of the comments in this forum has recently degraded to the point that we have to police it much more regularly.
The same commuity guidelines apply here as they did before the changeover. Please refrain from posting personal attacks and rumors and stay on point.
We kept this forum to allow for anonymous discussion and commentary, but we will take it down if commenters continue to violate our guidelines.

Does anyone have a clue what she is talking about? Do you think we should stop joking about bikers or do you think it is campaign talk by Nailingit? Could be that Allen, ELISI, Hawkeye, manthou, Drift and others are having too much fun. I think we've created quite a convivial atmosphere while sharing information. We agree or disagree and move on. I haven't sensed any rancor. On the other hand, we are helping keep a journalist employed who is assigned to "police it much more regularly" and contact those on FB to ensure real identity.

Remember this email to Willbridge?

"-----Today, I got an email from Libby Tucker, from the Columbian:

"Because your profile is locked down, we need to confirm you are who you say you are. Can you respond to this message with a phone number where we can contact you? If we don't hear from you in 24 hours we'll take you off the site. We're enforcing our real names policy. Thanks much."

Oh well.

buckeye71 — June 16, 2011 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have not been posting at all, just tuning in once in awhile to read posts.

Libby Tucker - I find it very offensive to continually read some of Larimer's posts naming our President "Hussein Obama". Apparently you think that is just fine. The change-0ver to FB seems to have increased the vile lies and attacks by the same old right-wingers, fine with you. Not worth reading to me. What you deem as "offensive" is just censorship, plain and simple. You must love the new format!
You also must love the hatred spewed daily on the FB forums! Sad.

Mrs_T — June 16, 2011 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Name calling such as Marxist, Communist, Socialist, etc. seem to be fine with the Columbian staff these days. I guess these names are not offensive to those that are to "monitor" the comments. Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

Mrs_T — June 16, 2011 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen and Mrs_T

I agree that bob is a bit offensive, but come on Plenty of liberals on here used the term W Bush or just W, as far as terms such as Marxist. Communist or Socialist, I have seen the two of you use terms such as Fascist or Nazi to describe republicans. What is the difference? I have no problem condemning him for his attacks on other posters but that would have to extend to the more liberal posters that make personal attacks against posters for their opinions.

frobert — June 16, 2011 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Mrs_T! Good to read you! Thank you alleycat for the post!

buckeye71-These threads are going down. I hope they give us some notice so some can stay in touch. Libby Tucker should explain herself. To overreach like she did is just building up a faux talking point till LouB gives the nod to shut it down. I remember when they were committed for all of two seconds, to have a moderator. These people are beyond lazy and or motivated to do just a fraction of work to keep their readers happy. I suppose I just made an insult and I will get removed...sigh

ELISI-Removing manthou...and for what? The same with seamus

To the Editor...I'm not speaking just for myself right now, and I don't mean to throw my weight around just because I'm seeking higher office...

Please have a time set aside on these threads to address us.

Us. The meaningless ones with no souls.

Explain this "degradation" that your trusted employee squawked about.

Define "personal attacks" and address the double standard set forth mentioned by Mrs_T.

Or will it be enough once again to isolate a poster or two and on the weekend make snarky remarks knowing they won't respond in FB format.

What is wrong with you people. Is your sense of self so shallow and unexplored that you resort to faux elitism to corral people into marching lockstep? And if they don't you censor???

This is a newspaper???

How do you people as journalists even begin to justify, let alone feel good about and support, your ridiculous and unethical behavior. Constantly censoring and then misrepresenting what you censored. What the hell???

nailingit — June 16, 2011 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...not to get off topic but $NailPac$ should be up and running soon. I wonder if this paper will give as much coverage to anonymous Presidential candidates as they do to those with names.

Hell no they won't! At least don't count on it.

nailingit — June 17, 2011 at 12:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ironic, nailingit. The post of mine that was removed was about a post of mine that had been removed months ago. It drew attention to a VanVoice article by Marcus Griffith that had scooped the not-yet-published Press Talk that suggested Bethany Storro had faked her attack. Griffith's article was stunning and would have diminished the power of Press Talk for any readers exposed to the VanVoice piece first.

The editor explained that it was against "policy" to give free advertisement to other media. Yet, I pointed out that, when he started getting TV interviews, the editor had no problem in publicizing THAT media. I guess when the camera is focused on him, policies be damned. Or made-up depending on the circumstance. :)

My advice for better living was no threat. Let me be clear: when a person surrounds himself with conflict and suspicion all day, every day, and has an insatiable need for total control and attention, his own health will be seriously compromised through his own poor choices.

I am non-violent. Peace. Namaste.

manthou — June 17, 2011 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


How can you associate bob's pro war pro expansion of government. anti civil liberties stance with the tea party?

Have you even read the talking points of the National Socialist German Workers Party(Nazi) from the 30's to compare them to bob or to republicans in general is an outright lie.

You need to stop getting your "facts" from left wing blogs.

I do not agree with the politics of bob, the tea party or even the modern republican party but come on you have little room to be calling the kettle.

frobert — June 17, 2011 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou I was able to read it before big local paper censor, and cause dissenting opinion to vanish. I saw zero reason for removal. These people, as they most likely see themselves as having their finger on the pulse of the community, should set aside a time on these threads to address these concerns. This paper must use prosthetics in their command structure, they never have a leg to stand on.

Allen- These will be great talking points for the 2012 elections. If some of these fatcats caviar was tainted, they would add additional funding then laugh at the middle class poster you referred to, for being willfully ignorant in order to march lock step with his party.

This rag needs competition. They puke on the spirit of a free press. Day after day.

Why? Positions on abortion and gays. Period. Conservatives are ruining this country.

nailingit — June 17, 2011 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

^^^haha...last two lines should be reversed in order. But you know something? It might be right!

nailingit — June 17, 2011 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — June 17, 2011 at 6:25 a.m

Manthou, the reason why I thought the removal of yours and seamus remarks was funny was, well...the removal was childish.

I look at as.. the neighborhood bully always having to be King of the hill, until one day the smallest kid in the neighborhood knocks him off the hill.

ELISI — June 17, 2011 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 17, 2011 at 8:16 a.m

Most of those who become sick from tainted food is simply cause of unwashed fruits, veggies, and hands.
How many say buy a bag of salad, or cut up fruit..take it home and eat it without washing it first? Oh I know it says "ready to eat" but is? NO!
Also people need to start paying attention as to how long to cook meats. Under cooked is just setting someone up for food poisoning. Same goes for out of date products.
Also, people need to wash their hands before handling any food item, and after to stop cross contamination.

ELISI — June 17, 2011 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***Libby says this was deleted because of "personal attacks on an editor, can any of you find one? This is a Where's Waldo moment.***

As someone who is friendly with a handful of staff at The Columbian (including a relative), I can tell you this: 1. The Facebook initiative has Lou's interests at heart. He wants absolute control of any criticisms leveled at the paper, constructive or otherwise. 2. These controlling tendencies have led to the resignations of several talented staff members, including the previous web editor who moved his family here only to have no authority in his position. He took them as far as he could considering. But, the lack of dedication to site planning and resistance to the opinions of hired consultants resulted in losing someone who has more social media fans than the paper itself. 3. The Facebook experiment is considered a huge failure among staff. The intent to grow traffic through social media has topped out at 1500 fans. Barely the audience of a popular teenage girl. 4. Lou's recent column had staffers' eyes rolling, and even some Facebook commenters were deleted for seeing through the obvious ploy to save face and gain comments. 5. Staff feels forced to engage in social media. Yet when they do, they are criticized heavily if they don't do it the way their editor prefers. Consensus is that he is so enamored of the spotlight, he wants others as watered-down as possible. 6. Morale is at an all-time low in the newsroom and other departments are wondering what the real strategy is for Rumor is a paywall may limit the free access to stories like larger NY Times. That move would surely disrupt the advertising the site gets. 7. This post will be deleted soon. But, my friends at the paper deserve someone to speak up on their behalf. And readers should know that their anonymous opinions were never valued, especially if they were counter to the paper's board.

Forethought — June 15, 2011 at 10:14 a.m.

hawkeye — June 17, 2011 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Try reading the tea parties statements on what they believe in, and not what your liberal blogs say they believe in. It is impossible to reconcile bob's desire of expanding government to outlaw everything he doesn't like, with the tea parties primary goal of contracting government.

frobert — June 17, 2011 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Folks?

You -are- aware that this website is owned by the Columbian, correct? It's not just their ball and bat, they own the field, too. I mean, if you don't want to watch/play the game, stay home?

Freedom of the press means that the government should not suppress journals in their reporting -- The government should not manipulate the press... It doesn't mean that we, as individuals, have the right to be heard in the press.

We can gather, protest and demonstrate, but no where is it written that Drift's LTTE has to be published. Nope. No where is it written that Drift has to be allowed to submit an opinion to this site. Nope.

I'm with y'all in that I think the Facebook move is a bummer. But what effect has it had? We, those that don't care to FB, can't post directly to articles. Is that pretty much it?

If you are -really- pissed, don't post here. If you are really pissed cancel your subscription. If you are really, really pissed, and have the resources, start your own paper and give The Columbian a run for the money.

It 'tis what it 'tis, folks.

Peeing in the sandbox aint gonna do anything, but soil the playground.

Respectfully submitted.

Drift — June 17, 2011 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

george_vancouver: One of my favorite posters! You do not chime in often, my friend, but when you do, it is always worth the wait.

Conflict of interest, eh? So you are asking if the sale of The Columbian building to Vancouver city has caused the paper to back off their pressure on city hall?

Wasn't the building in foreclosure and bank-owned? It had already left Scott Campbell's possession and he did not benefit from the sale.

Are you referring to another real estate transaction?

manthou — June 17, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, since this is an open forum for political discussion and the issues of Facebook have been mentioned here, I guess it's time for me to practice up on my well thought, meaningful Facebook Comments. I've got to make sure that if we are forced into FB to comment, that my comments match those I read on Facebook. How's this for starters:

(1) Figuring out politics sucks.
(2) Wow
(3) Double Wow

(4) What would Bob think?
(5) What(?) an improvement? Thank you Lou.
(6) Can I be the top commenter of the day?

goldenoldie — June 17, 2011 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, the comment preview showed the numbered list of my Happy Happy Joy JoyFacebook comments all nice and neat and in a row. Go figure...8'(

goldenoldie — June 17, 2011 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As long as he keeps posting on the Facebook side, that is.

roger — June 17, 2011 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Alleycat signs out this morning, saying "Later, got better things to do today!" Then, a short while later Golden returns!!!

Do we have a Jekyll and Hyde thing going here???

roger — June 17, 2011 at 8:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


calling you out on your BS is not insulting you, nor does it make me a troll. I made a simple observation that you did the same things that you accuse bob of. If you want to call bob out on his insults to other posters I'm right there with you. I no longer read bobs posts so I can't comment on them.

And no I will not read the liberal blog you posted.

frobert — June 17, 2011 at 10:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

george_vancouver @ 10:32 PM. Ah! You refer to this:

Please get on your pony and gallop over to the Downtown Development forum, where we have a better chance of engaging others in the excellent question you posed at 11:46 am.

Your good ideas and opinion may be lost in the shuffle here, good sir.

Bring Lewis and Clark with you. :)

manthou — June 18, 2011 at 7:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, anybody check out Stephanie Rice's commentary in the "All Politics is Local" blog which compares our elected officials with the muppets? Pretty spot on if I say so myself! Nice Job, Stephanie!!!

goldenoldie — June 18, 2011 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning, Roger. I guarantee you, I am not alleycat. It's just a coincidence. I usually post in the morning and mid afternoon but sometimes my schedule changes. Maybe Alleycat was having a Friday away from the rat race??? Heck, it was a beautiful day for a ride in the country or drifting in a sailboat on the Columbia River.

And like alleycat says, we just happen to share a lot of values which I perceive sometimes as being parallel to each other. Other times...I'll let alley know where I stand on issues as alley will with me, too.

...and thanks alleycat for the nice compliment. (we're dysfunctional????)

goldenoldie — June 18, 2011 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning Cat,

I see it has taken you a little time to get back to your "normal" self. There for a while you were head over heels for Madore and gave him the benefit of the doubt, I can't blame you, he plays a pretty good game of "I am the greatest, you must believe me".

I asked him some time ago about him going into politics and he told me, absolutely not! Which is why I was so surprised when he filed for the Port job. But it didn't surprise me when he jumped back out, it just seems to me if you are an experienced businessman, you would research a job before going after it.

David, this makes you look very unprepared and might lead to questions about your business sense.

hawkeye — June 18, 2011 at 8:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Concerning the Thursday article on Washington State's budget shortfalls, Rep Moeller responded with the following on facebook.

"This is nothing but political grandstanding on the Republicans part and I'm surprised that The Columbian (self acknowledge "middle-of-the roader's") would participate in promoting it. The revenues are more than enough to make it through the next 6 months to the next session and both Rep. Orcutt and Sen. Zarelli know that. Their assertions to the contrary is just another attempt to promote their campaign message. The PREDICTION of 163 million in reserves is over the 2 YEAR BUDGET CYCLE and presumes NOTHING is done during the supplemental session beginning this coming January to correct any additional shortfall. Catastrophizing, plain and simple. Is this really helpful in getting Washington working again? Does this promote confidence to invest in business and jobs when the Republicans keep beating the drum - "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"."

Is Rep Moeller suggesting that he believes more taxes, or some other way to take taxpayer money, will come out of this supplemental session? Is there going to be some sort of accounting game to push costs down the road? Or are we going to see even more spending cuts?

I'm also a bit interested in the lack of response from The Columbian, considering that 1) this was an AP article, and 2) he's either calling the editors gullible (if not outright stupid) or shills for the state's Republican party.

roger — June 18, 2011 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Madore should put his hat in the ring for POTUS. He seems to be more qualified than most of the GOP candidates. He would have to explain the life size GW in his office though.

Alley- It was a cardboard cutout wasn't it? To think it was a blow up doll is disturbing.

For eight years Bush treated our fine country like multi-vented glory hole. We need leadership that will bring the workforce back to America, and penalize as well as incentivize companies to treat our Nation like the land of opportunity it is.

nailingit — June 18, 2011 at 11:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat and Golden - Just having some fun with my "observation" last night. I enjoy reading both of your comments and occasionally responding to them.

Actually, I figured alleycat had dusted his bicycle off and was out practicing for tonight's big ride in Portland.

roger — June 18, 2011 at 11:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I find your linking cranky and bob interesting but lacking, they share a similar librocon view(they don't care how much they have to expand government to achieve their "conservative" goals. but past that their writing styles shares no similarities. You should compare the opinions and writing styles of Robert Eiffert from the FB comments and Mr_Basil_Seal.

frobert — June 18, 2011 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 11:08 am: Thanks for doing the digging and sharing the response from Jim Moeller's FB page.

For those who work for the state, this publicity forced the governor to levy a freeze on hiring and spending through June 30 (I did some digging, too). Agencies were scrambling to spend down the last of the fiscal year dollars by that date, but now they must return the rest of the pot.

I, too, am surprised that The Columbian did not go further. But neither did The Olympian.

Summer approaches and people's heads are filled with vacation dreams.

george_vancouver: You re-focused your well-lit lantern on a very interesting issue that seems to have dropped from our collective radar. For that, I thank you. Roger has his target on it, too, so we will keep that flame lit.

BTW, I'm a ma'am. :)

manthou — June 18, 2011 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 11:09 Inappropriate and did not mean to offend. Have coffee now. Feel better.

nailingit — June 18, 2011 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...I offended myself! manthou and roger, if LouB or a staffer could further expound in a few areas, it would be helpful. I was surprised how this story wasn't addressed much on the facebook side, although I haven't looked today, well, surprised but not really given the climate of postings.

nailingit — June 18, 2011 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No offense taken, george_vancouver. "Manthou" is the name of my Greek immigrant grandparents. It is a rare name, even in that country. Manthos is the masculine. The suffix "ou" is the feminine.

I posted this response to your very good question in the Columbia River Crossing Forum and will paste it here:

george_vancouver: Keep at it. You have introduced a possible conflict-of-interest that no one else seems to want to talk about, but is truly worth digging into.

I repeated your thoughts on the Downtown Development Forum, giving you full credit, of course.

For those interested, our fair city's esteemed namesake is referring to this:

Road project hinges on Grant deal by Andrea Damewood

Scott Campbell owns this land that the city needs to continue the waterfront development project, but has not accepted a payment offer yet. Remember, he lost his building to foreclosure and this is an opportunity to recoup some funds.

It also poses the question of conflict-of-interest. How objective can The Columbian be in their coverage of city issues when its owner desperately wants this deal to be successful, lucrative, and sweet?

Journalists are bound by clear professional ethical guidelines, which include staying objective and avoiding conflict-of-interest. But what about potential lucrative business deals?

manthou — June 19, 2011 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The link above was broken:

Courtney Sherwood and John Laird make very good points in their columns today. Who will step up to replace the mass exodus of quality leaders in Clark County (Sherwood)? Where are the new candidates available to challenge incumbents in Clark County (Laird)?

Could it be that no one wants to endure the intense scrutiny and accountability voters and the public demand?

manthou — June 19, 2011 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Agreed. The problem is, no one seems to run for office saying I want to accomplish x, y and z. It's all just I'm for or against something. How can that be measured?

I'm thinking Vancouver voters missed an opportunity to get the attention of our officials by not initiating a recall vote for Mayor Leavitt. He ran on no tolls, and then changed his tune saying he didn't know. Yet his name is all over CRC and C-Tran documents from when he was a city council member - there's no way he couldn't have known.

roger — June 19, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, you have presented an excellent perspective of what those of us have recognized for quite some time. Hopefully, you have opened the eyes of the naive when it comes to our mayor and his history and his forked tongue. I don't expect Mayor Leavitt to respond to your comments since we aren't on FB, but I'd sure love to see what he'd say about your comment.

goldenoldie — June 19, 2011 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat: Due to the anonymous nature of the Forums, we would have no idea if current Columbian employees are joining us here.

My guess is that they are and part of the reason for the move to Facebook was to limit their ability to be critical of current leadership and policies.

manthou — June 19, 2011 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Also, when jobs are scarce, you do what you need to do to hold onto the one you are lucky enough to have. Backbone has little to do with it anymore, alleycat.

It is about putting food on the table. To do that, current reporters and staff may have to swallow a lot of bitter tastes.

manthou — June 19, 2011 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou -

In reaction to your 8:06 a.m. post I'm copying John Laird's comments that I would respond directly to if it wasn't for this facebook silliness.

"Again we see that the redundant, ever-present squawkers at Vancouver City Council meetings are more bark than bite. For all the lambasting councilors repeatedly absorbed in the past couple of years, one would expect a veritable stampede of foes was waiting to mow them down in the election. Alas, only four candidates stepped forward to challenge the three incumbents. That’s down from seven challengers in three races in 2009."

"This is why they’re called the Hounds of Whinerville and not the Lions of Action."


I can't speak for everyone, but a lot of us are too damned busy working, raising families and maintaining homes to run for office. Face it - to have the time for elected office you pretty much have to be rich, have a rich backer (like Josephine W. does), be using the office to support other interests, or be retired. Your article implies that if we aren't willing to step up, then we should shut up. Sorry, old pal, but my taxes say you're going to hear whether you want to or not.

Now that I've said that - I truly enjoy John's editorials. None of that namby pamby hurt feelings nonsense for him!! John, you really need to join us here on the Dark Side - I think you'd enjoy yourself a lot more. And wake Pat Campbell up from his nap and bring him along.

roger — June 19, 2011 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I hope every good Dad has a great Father's day...and the bad ones get better. LouB is on spot with those criticizing his personhood based on his home town heritage. People are people, regardless where they originate from. It's life experiences that form or disfigure character. We all disagree at times, and mostly agree to disagree, but when we don't, base dissenting opinion on the issue at hand and not the perceived character of someone. Avatarially advesarially speaking.

Most people have good intentions, just different pathways to get there. When I was a kid the phrase 'gas too high' meant stop syphoning for pleasure. Ciggs were the same price as a gallon of gas. 38 cents. Now it's $4.38. Short skirts are better than skirt shorts. Bernie Sanders should be our next President. Why are so many children conceived in CONDOMiniums?

nailingit — June 19, 2011 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal do have a way with words. I haven't staffed a full time speech writer at this point, but if you would like, I'll throw your name in the mix.

nailingit — June 19, 2011 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Countdown with Keith Olbermann premieres 5:00 tonight

Go to to find channel for Current TV. This is example for one zip code in Vancouver:

Comcast Corporation Channel 107 DIRECTV Channel 358 DISH Network Channel 196

buckeye71 — June 20, 2011 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks for getting the word out buckeye71. Should be good. Olberman says he has less restrictions this time around.

nailingit — June 20, 2011 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


5:00 plus reruns at 8, 11, 1a, 4a, and more.

buckeye71 — June 20, 2011 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just got back from an extended work day and missed Olbermann redux, so I will catch it at 11.

Nailingit, buckeye71: what did y'all think?

manthou — June 20, 2011 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I Tivo'd it, will watch in the morning with my coffee. Should be good.

hawkeye — June 20, 2011 at 10:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh lordie! People, you sound just about as obsessed about Olberman as Fiscaltiger did about Beck! He's just a paid televersion poisonality who's not afraid to say what's on his mind.

goldenoldie — June 21, 2011 at 6:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Countdown Premiere on Current TV: The only change I noticed was the simplified technical end of the production. Without the incessant high-tech kinetic graphics and sounds swirling in the background (as is too common now to capture audience shorter-by-the-minute attention spans), the show was familiar.

Without these visual and auditory major network-style distractions, the show has improved, IMHO.

manthou — June 21, 2011 at 6:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- I recorded it and just watched it. I agree. Much better without the thrills and chills aspect. The plain truth provides enough entertainment! Great guests. I'm glad that some attention is being paid to justice Thomas and the complete lack of guidelines these justices serve under. It has long been a pet peeve of mine that, IMO, given longevity and the content of the job, to be appointed as a Supreme Court Justice, arguably is the most powerful position an American citizen can obtain in life. In a political sense, how great it would be if we had a paid off right wing conservative in Thomas disgraced from the bench next summer and into the fall election cycle. His behavior is intolerable and he has disgraced the bench he serves on, and the people whose behalf he serves. The Dems need to be more aggressive on these types of issues for the greater good.

goldenoldie- One of the many differences between Beck and Olberman is that Olberman gets paid to speak his mind. Beck gets paid to speak Roger Ailes mind.

nailingit — June 21, 2011 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I just watched it as well, I enjoyed it to a point. I really like the gotcha kind of stuff, the one about Fox and John Stewart, good stuff. I'm really surprised about Thomas, as a Supreme Court Justice, he should be impartial and be held to it. I think there is way too much influence at home for him.

hawkeye — June 21, 2011 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, it doesn't matter who they are speaking for or why they are. It's a common realizaton that people like Beck, O'Reilly, Olberman, Larsen and anybody else who profess to know politics are only telling it for a certain following. It's no offense to you or Hawkeye or anybody else, but these guys tell you what you want to hear. GB is no different. He feeds off the crowd who feels our government has failed us. O'Reilly??? Well, when he was at KATU, his methodology was similar to GWB's methodology...Shock and Awe! That's why some follow him and others can't stand his guts. Olberman is excellent at what he does but again...he's targeting one crowd. All in all, every single one of them are only out for the paycheck and that's it.

goldenoldie — June 21, 2011 at 12:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, remember to close your eyes...breathe in slowly, then as you release the air filled within your lungs, exhale slowly as you think about things which comfort you and set you free...allowing all those frustrations out.

Then simply repeat the process a couple more times.

Hopefully by now, you have allowed yourself a moment of peace in this wild and whacky world.

(And yes, you are absolutely right. It's time for everyone to use their mind and stop following the fearful path of manipulative mind control. Those of us who have the free will to think for ourselves ALL know who's behind the mind control.)

goldenoldie — June 21, 2011 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and Alleycat, I was dead serious. I don't want you to think I was teasing you as I was not. A daily ritual of spiritual cleansing through moments of silence and relaxation, allowing your mind to wander even for a few quite healthy. I practice this each and every day. It helps to clear my mind.

goldenoldie — June 21, 2011 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

That works too, Alleycat!


goldenoldie — June 21, 2011 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I cross posted this on another forum. Hard to tell how many regulars use more than one forum.

Libby Tucker just tweeted this on Twitter. I'm posting without comment. Columbian's new slogan:


LibbyTucker LibbyTucker Very excited that @thecolumbian's new slogan is "Community Begins Here." Reflects our new focus. Look for it tomorrow in our print edition.

buckeye71 — June 21, 2011 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — June 21, 2011 at 2:45 p.m.

Damn, I miss my Harley

hawkeye — June 21, 2011 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh a trip into our favorite place in the mountains would be nice right about crowds, no internet, nobody telling us what we can or can't do??? Nobody controlling us, right???

But wait!!!

We have to donate to the Big Petroleum Producers and our lovely governing body for gas and taxes in order to fill the tank to drive to the mountains. Gotta pay the insurance in order to be on the road, too. Have to carry a permit in order to park in designated areas in the GPNF. The Rainbow Gathering masses are planning a big to-do near Swift Creek which means there's already more traffic on the forest roads heading for the peace and serenity of the forest preparing the site and more forest monitoring by our officials. Wild forest harvesters are out in force....


I could go to the beach and enjoy the serenity of the ocean as the energy of the ocean castes its endless waves upon the shore...

...but it's oh so crowded at the beach this time of year and a private beach is hard to find.

sigh.... . . . . . .

goldenoldie — June 22, 2011 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

That damn Obama. The Power that comes with the job must be intoxicating beyond reason. More wars, very little drawdown. Something I did not see discussed is how this will figure into our national budget. How much longer do we neglect our own in order to appease our Imperialistic sense of Democracy. We need a viable alternative to Obama. We need to place Bernie Sanders brain into Obama's head. He shall be named..

Burnrock O'Sandma

nailingit — June 22, 2011 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Point taken Allen. I've wondered if behind closed doors the pressure and threats of deep pain on humanity to include family that the Pres can't control and would be used under certain circumstances if compliance wasn't taking place. And if if's and but's were candy and nuts, then we could all be home for Christmas. It's secular's most secret society. From the CIA to the Military, unlimited money, power, sex, food, drugs to include your own private physician since you mentioned JFK...ability to influence world trade, start wars, and end freedoms. All in the name of democracy, the American style of democracy. Shoved up the citizens of the world's largest cavern, and pulled out of the mouth of an Apache gunner. Leaving life and limbs in arms way. Women and children led to their slaughter at the behest of our American Presidents. All in the name of freedom. All in the name of America. All in the name of us.

We need to leave these endless wars. Pre Bush we didn't escalate like we are now. President Obama is a war monger. Plain and simple who is defying his authority and spitting in the face of the war powers act. These wars need to be voted on as well as different options for leaving.

Where's the baggers in office? Cowtowing to their leaders because they have ZERO mind of their own. Where are the calls for fiscal responsibility? Obama is such a disappointment.

nailingit — June 22, 2011 at 10:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and where the hell is my campaign manager? I'm considering withdrawing from the race.

nailingit — June 22, 2011 at 10:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...damn it! I didn't vote for this. And where the hell is my drink. There it is....damn obummer...taken away ma hopes and changes...damn it.

nailingit — June 22, 2011 at 10:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, calm down.... You drinking again? Knock it off, you can't be going off half cocked full of piss and vinegar, I need you full cocked and half full. You can never seem to get that straight.

Anyway, I'm ALWAYS here regardless of whether you see me or not.

You can't withdraw from the race unless you want to me compared to Madore and nobody wants that, do they? I know I don't.

I'm getting concerned about the Republican'ts complaining about spending too much money and wanting to CUT spending but they want to keep the troops in Afghanistan that are costing the most money. I'm so confused, which side of Boehner's face should I listen to, the left side, no, the right side, no, the left side, no, the right side. ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!

hawkeye — June 23, 2011 at 5:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 23, 2011 at 6:32 a.m.

Given the history of racism in the democratic party I find it amusing that when the republicans find exception with a political figure of color the democrats scream racism. However when the democrats rail against Thomas or Rice, they claim it has nothing to do with race. You do realize the thirteenth amendment passed congress with only three democrat votes, don't you, and the fourteenth passed with none?

frobert — June 23, 2011 at 11:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert...we are living in the year of your lord, 2011. Today is June 23, 2011. It is the 21st century. I find it amusing that republicans use their generational time machine when it comes to issues of racism. Have the other justices received the type of private political monies like that piece of judicial crap Thomas has? Just look at how you play your backhanded race card. I'm sick of you so called "conservatives" that lack the hutzpah to base your arguments in today's world. And Rice? Another race card -concerning that lying war mongering incompetent ass kissing politician that screwed the American people every time her lips separated. Pathetic...and most of all frobert...


nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 3:58 p.m

You have proved my point, with your claim that a democrat can disagree with someone of color based on politics, however a republican can't.

frobert — June 23, 2011 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk...I am fully cocked without a sock and ready to birth nuanced by-lines. It seems as though today's politics just keep hitting new low points and I'm sick of it. Obama's lack of intestinal fortitude, passion on any issue, his disconnect from the American people, his willingness to be steered by big corporate interests...onandonandon. Couple that with so many people not engaging in the politics they espouse, being led by the nose with the latest scent and dollars in the air...the choices are's no wonder people are confused..we have a leader that is not leading..we need change..not hope.

Please try to get us a sit down with Michele. We'll work this from the back door. Maybe if we can talk to her, her old man might listen.

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert- Please state where I made such a claim. Dude, you are going downhill. There was a point in time in which you were somewhat coherent.

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 4:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nail, you might be right. I know when ANYBODY wants me to do something, they ask my wife to talk to me. Can't seem to say no to her. (what's that all about?) Anywho, I'll get a text off to her, maybe we can get a meeting on the DL.

hawkeye — June 23, 2011 at 4:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OR, we could play golf........

hawkeye — June 23, 2011 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks hawk, it's amazing what love can do. My wife's the same. God knows she's an understanding woman putting up with me!

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 4:14 p.m.

No I have gotten no less coherent, you have just replaced your critical thinking skills with your party doctrine.

frobert — June 23, 2011 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk @ 4:18...perhaps a foursome with Boehner and O'bummer.

I have had thoughts about a threesome with Palin and Haley...

froBERT! No I have gotten no.....less coherent. :))

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 5:09 p.m

Maybe a little less coherent today, I have a house full of kids.

frobert — June 23, 2011 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert-LOL. I can relate to that. More past than present, but obviously in my case it can drive a person wacky!

nailingit — June 23, 2011 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Okay...this is an awkward discussion for me to chime in...but I had to make a comment to Allen on his post at 9:04 pm, June 23rd.

Allen, nice post...and I couldn't agree more with you. Life is too short and everybody should make the best of every moment in their lives.

goldenoldie — June 24, 2011 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Frobert, I think Allen was referring to your comment on June 23rd at 5:12 pm when you said "Maybe a little less coherent today, I have a house full of kids."

goldenoldie — June 25, 2011 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So, Michelle Bachman is throwing her hat into the ring. Funny stuff.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning web site PolitiFact, for example, has fact-checked 23 Bachmann statements. The result: one statement is rated as “true” (regarding Obama and the debt ceiling), two are judged to be “half true,” four “barely true,” nine “false,” and seven “pants on fire!” – including Bachmann’s assertion that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi had a “$100,000 bar tab for alcohol on the military jets that she's flying.”

Even Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, who might have been expected to be friendlier (or at least more polite), asked Bachmann: “Are you a flake?”

hawkeye — June 27, 2011 at 6:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 27, 2011 at 6:13 a.m

Is there any source for that other than liberal blogs?

frobert — June 28, 2011 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wall Street Journal June 11 [That's the Rupert Murdoch owned WSJ]

"In my perfect world," she explains, "we'd take the 35% corporate tax rate down to nine so that we're the most competitive in the industrialized world. Zero out capital gains. Zero out the alternative minimum tax. Zero out the death tax."

buckeye71 — June 28, 2011 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Michele Bachman...a serious candidate for POTUS. From the same folks that brought us Sarah Palin last election...even if I wasn't concerned too much with politics...just looking at these God how ridiculous and irresponsible these "conservatives" are. They are ruining our country...election by election.

nailingit — June 28, 2011 at 10:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 28, 2011 at 10:06 p.m.

And the liberals have done better how?

frobert — June 28, 2011 at 10:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Michele Bachmann --- June 22, 2011 --- Rolling Stone

This is from A Project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. UPenn is a 501(c)3 organization.

Bachmann’s Waterloo
The GOP lawmaker's presidential campaign starts with a slew of off-base claims.

buckeye71 — June 28, 2011 at 11:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert @ 10:21...agree with ideology or not. Libs haven't nominated anyone. If you are referring to the Democratic may not agree in principle but my god man...Obama is extremely bright and knowledgeable with an ability to articulate himself. Most upper tier politicians have a common sense about them...right and left.But..... Bachman..Palin..Bush..Quayle..for Christ's sake man............

Wake up!

nailingit — June 28, 2011 at 11:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

buckeye71 — June 28, 2011 at 11:25 p.m.

You miss my point, as a libertarian I am no fan of Bachmann.

frobert — June 28, 2011 at 11:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 28, 2011 at 11:31 p.m

Wasn't Quayle a Rhodes Scholar?

frobert — June 28, 2011 at 11:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro...what is it? You are a self professed conservative AND a Libertarian? Au contraire Mosherri...

Wasn't Quayle a Rhodes Scholar? What the hell??? If anyone knows frobert on a personal level I encourage you to check on his well being. My God man...who is feeding you this...stuff?

nailingit — June 29, 2011 at 12:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 28, 2011 at 11:31 p.m.

War, Guantanamo, Patriot Act?

frobert — June 29, 2011 at 12:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Quayle, Rhodes Scholar, Hallucinations?

nailingit — June 29, 2011 at 12:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree with Allen.

seamuscallan — June 29, 2011 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen- The choices Repubs give us election after election it is amazing they remain a viable party.

ChristianGod, Abortion 'n' Gays. Take out these three items and I think 75% of the American people would be on the same page as to how our country should use it's resources.

nailingit — June 29, 2011 at 11:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — June 30, 2011 at 6:10 a.m

"They did manage to pass 256+ bills on women's reproductive rights"


frobert — June 30, 2011 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Boehner...where are the jobs?

nailingit — July 9, 2011 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nice to get on here and read some sensible discourse! I have missed many of you! Had to get on and ask the righties (frobert may be able to answer):

What's up with Boehner saying that a reduction of debt in the amount of $2 trillion is more "doable" than the $4 trillion presented by Obama?

Mrs_T — July 9, 2011 at 10:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

and who is Claire666? Does anyone know what restaurants she owns? I, too, want to avoid them!

Mrs_T — July 9, 2011 at 10:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal the heck are you? Good to see you in the basement!

nailingit — July 10, 2011 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

lol, still reading once in awhile and glad you are keeping up the good fight, along with others! The FB comments are rarely worth checking on, same old Larimer/Waters dribble, only even more one-sided than before. Can't wait until I retire, then will post without employer and client retribution!

Mrs_T — July 10, 2011 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Mrs T!!! Good to see you back home in the land of friendlies!!!! I too have found the basement to be a much better place to share thoughts and opinions...and it's much friendlier than it used to be. Hope you stay around!!!

goldenoldie — July 11, 2011 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thank you, goldenoldie! Very nice to see you on here, too! Yes, it does seem friendlier in the "basement"! I'll keep checking in more often! Wish they had a shorter span on comments, many to load each time! Is there no limit in number of comments or time span?

Mrs_T — July 11, 2011 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Mrs T

You can use the forum at the top of the list:

Open Forum, July 11 - 17

Columbian starts a new one each Monday. There were 318 comments in that forum last week. As you get the time, you might want to review some of the forums.

buckeye71 — July 11, 2011 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's an even bigger number for you, frobert! 916 bills introduced in four months! Yep, they are busy creating jobs and working on the budget!

Mrs_T — July 11, 2011 at 10:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Mrs_T — July 11, 2011 at 10:55 p.m

First of all it was bills passed
second it was excluding liberal blogs as sources

frobert — July 11, 2011 at 11:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — July 11, 2011 at 8:34 p.m.

In other words you are just spouting your moronic babble and you have no source. Not a bit of truth in anything you say is there?

frobert — July 11, 2011 at 11:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — July 12, 2011 at 7:35 a.m.

You haven't, and will not divulge the source of your "facts", because it either doesn't exist or it is a liberal blog. If you want to be taken seriously you need to support your "facts". Come on even bob and ray supply sources for their statements. Man up if you are capable, and admit where it came from or admit that you made it up.

frobert — July 12, 2011 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — July 12, 2011 at 7:41 p.m.

If you care to think back a little I questioned bob all the time, getting your "facts" from conservative blogs is as bad as liberal. Plus the only time I saw him write that it was in the FB comments. So just like bob your source is total BS. If you don't want to be questioned on your "facts" try not making unfounded outrageous claims.

frobert — July 12, 2011 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Man! The literary testosterone is a humping! Someone needs to avatar up!

My avatar is bigger than your avatar!

It's not the size of an avatar that counts, it's how you use it!

Gee, that John Boehner sure is an avatar head!

nailingit — July 14, 2011 at 12:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen...if you look at the two parties, both far from perfect, there is a big difference in the agenda's. Say what you will about Democrats...present day republicanism is just down right evil, incompetent and unjust.

nailingit — July 15, 2011 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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