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Wonder why there's so much graffiti and increased gang-banger activity in Vancouver? Maybe this has something to do with it?

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_6820eb26-3ec1-5e09-b6bb-959b757a1726.html

PegoMan — September 5, 2011 at 6:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Peg-LOL! As the article states, much less immigration. And with Obama deporting people at unprecedented rates, I can only assume you think there has been an increase in Vantucky rednecks that are expressing themselves...the ones that can write, that is. I hope you are not old enough to vote!

nailingit — September 5, 2011 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Heads Up to all you folks coming from the north side of Clark County towards Vancouver on SR 503 near 119th Street. KPTV is reporting a working structure fire and lanes might be blocked.

I can still see smoke hovering in the area north of my home.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2011 at 6:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy Labor Day, all!

Did anyone have trouble posting to last week's Forum? I kept getting locked out with the "Page Unavailable" error message anytime I logged on after my one post of yesterday.

I had access to all the rest of the Forum topics and this one, too.

I wanted to comment on the Columbian print article of yesterday, that described Larry Smith, Bart Hanson, and Anne Ogle declining David Madore's invitation to be video interviewed by a hand-picked Christian radio personality for his website. All three reported that they want to speak their message to groups that are more "fair and balanced" (Larry Smith's words).

It was in the Print Edition "first" and will be posted on the web soon, I suspect.

I was so re-assured by Anne McEnerny Ogle's refusal to participate in that sham that I gave some money to her campaign (she is running against Bill Turlay, a Madore pick). I will watch the candidates debate when it is moderated by more neutral parties like the League of Women Voters and, dare I say, The Columbian staff. :)

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


PegoMan @ 6:10 am: I am glad to see you interested in the increase in graffiti. Please join us in being a good neighbor and report it:

http://www.cityofvancouver.us/police.asp?policeID=31530&policeSubID;=31593&itemID;=31653

In my neighborhood, several home-grown teens have been identified as a primary cause.

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good Morning, Manthou. I too was having difficulties last week...just signing into the Columbian as well...same message. Hopefully we won't see any more issues like that.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2011 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: Interesting. I emailed Libby Tucker, but did not receive an answer yet. It is the long weekend, afterall.

I guess that is one way to get us to reduce our postings! I have an image of Lou B, laughing maniacally over his keyboard and monitor, wringing his gnarled hands in glee: Take that, goldenoldie! Same to you, manthou!

Just joking. I think. :)

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


lol, manthou. I could almost imagine that. Did you also notice that there hasn't been a lot of local breaking news on the C, either. I thought for sure that by now, they'd have something about the fire near the Brush Prairie Winco. Some of the local news stations reported there was a woman taken to the hospital as a result.

I'm thinking it's working on autopilot right now.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2011 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Alleycat,

Thanks for your usual kick in the butt comments this morning. Add that in with a few cups of Joe and I'm fired up... I wonder if Rep Jaime is expecting unemployed protesters coming out in force at her jobs fair...it is not a matter of being uncivil, of disrupting the event, or causing trouble. It is just a way to stand up in huge numbers and let the leadership know the workers are here and they are serious about working. Sell off the Federal lands if we must, to get revenue. Have a fire sale on all Defense Department weapons systems. Sell the gold at fort knox. Liquidate! But get people working. Stop paying people to do nothing, grow nothing, and be a long term nobody!

mangoboy — September 5, 2011 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


They are working with a skeleton crew over the holiday, I imagine. Just like national news media.

I swear, sometimes I think they gather what's hot by reviewing the Forums and public records. They did not know about Jaime Herrera's upcoming "Jobs Fair", but got the tip from a FB commenter. I posted a link to Howard Schultz's (Starbuck CEO) National Town Hall in last week's forum and it shows up today as a news article. An email I sent a few months ago to City Council winds up on a reporter's desk, with a request to use it in a story.

Citizen journalism helps in hard times. I still remember how you commandeered Press Talk awhile back and started interviewing David Madore in Lou's conspicuous online absence! We got some good info from it! :)

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy: I like your ideas and passion about them. You are brief and articulate and make your point without beating us over the head until we are dizzy.

I hope there is a show of force at JHB's "Job Fair", too. Peaceful and powerful statements can be made if people mobilize.

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I encourage folks to consider participating in Howard Schultz's (Starbucks CEO) phone Town Hall tomorrow. It is not too late to sign up here:

http://hq.nolabels.org/page/share/schultz-townhall

If Congress won't chat with its constituents, I will be happy to engage one of the most successful businessmen in America on the issue. Please join me.

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Commandeered??? Naw...it was just Lou allowing us to do a sort of a one on one discussion in his "Press Talk" column which brought out so much information.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2011 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 5, 2011 at 8:46 a.m

I thought it funny that there are very few updates during the weekend and on holidays too.

Oh, I forgot, news only happens during the work week.

hawkeye — September 5, 2011 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen @ 11:19 am: I hear ya. They ask for that info for fundraising, I am sure. It is, actually, a 501c4 nonprofit corporation that, by law, can engage in lobbying and political campaigning.

I am intrigued by it and wonder whether our legislators and President will be moved by the fact that over 100 top American business leaders have joined Schultz in withholding any political donations until Congress starts playing nice and putting something on the table that actually works. They also pledged to increase hiring and create jobs in their businesses.

I rather think I will be listening, too, more than talking, given the fact that it is open to all who want to participate.

God knows, Jaime HB did not give me an opportunity to chime in.

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 12:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 5, 2011 at 2:19 p.m.

Keep in mind, that Jamie does vote party line 89% of the time, however Baird voted party line 95% of the time.

frobert — September 5, 2011 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 5, 2011 at 2:19 p.m.

According to http://projects.washingtonpost.com it is 87% and 93% but my point is still clear.

frobert — September 5, 2011 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good afternoon, Frobert. Well, Jaime has not had the opportunity to vote as many times as Brian Baird did yet, so I will be interested in seeing how that number decreases or increases over time. Regardless, 87 percent is still voting with her Republican colleagues the majority of opportunities, as I would expect from a Republican. I did not ever expect her to change her stripes.

Like I said several times on here: this is a fantastic opportunity for someone, anyone to step up and show leadership by bringing diverse, creative ideas together to actually solve the complex economic problems Americans face.

Hey, if it turns out to be Jaime HB, I will join you in singing her praises and voting her back in for 2012. Heck, I'll campaign for her!

manthou — September 5, 2011 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 5, 2011 at 3:58 p.m.

So what IS your point, fro? Brian is no longer our rep. Did you expect something else? I'm sure Jamie's numbers will rise as she gets deeper involved. I'm sure you will keep an eye on her numbers and report back as needed. As far as I'm concerned, she hasn't shown me anything yet including her upcoming "job fair". What a joke, possibly hundreds of people fighting for the two or three jobs available from the ten employers showing up. Sounds like fun, huh?

hawkeye — September 5, 2011 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From Jamie's web site. She wants this survey filled out. If you check "other", you don't get to add anything and you can't check all of them. Of course you have to fill in your name and email address and you automatically opt in to her newsletter.

What would you like to see Congress focus on in 2011?
1. Job creation and employment
2. Government spending and the deficit
3. More affordable health care
4. Other

hawkeye — September 5, 2011 at 5:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Any one check out the palimino..palmetto..something or other republican presidential forum today? Caught about half of it. Someone as bi-partisan as myself, appreciates an insight into the brain trusts of the GOP. Michele Bachman, Herman Cain and others provided some of it. Given some of the questions, Perry most likely did himself a favor fighting fires. Actually some good questions concerning the constitution were addressed today. Michele looked kinda hot..accept when she gives that exasperated smile, and she looks like she wants to eat a small child.

nailingit — September 5, 2011 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen,
True leaders have a little dirt on there hands and a skeleton or two in the closet and most people won't vote for this type of person and this type of person doesn't run very often. I think we need to get past this type of Bull$ as everybody has something or has done something otherwise they wouldn't be posting here, if you know what I mean.. But really, we need someone to go in there and kick some ars..Fire a whole bunch of idiots starting with the presidents cabinet then his economic advisor and half of cobgress.. JMHO..

stikoutking — September 5, 2011 at 8:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen-Some good questions on the constitution. I don't agree with a lot of GOP philosophy, but I like to understand things from a different perspective. It is sad that neither side can come up with a solid leader. I don't agree with the 8:43 post of lowering standards, I think they are low enough.

Torch Citizens United and put into place solid campaign finance reform.

nailingit — September 5, 2011 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ron Paul reminded me of a cross between Mr. Wizard & Mr. Magoo. Both of whom I'm quite fond of.

nailingit — September 5, 2011 at 11:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen @ 5:25-Snidley Whiplash and his dog as Newt. Bachman as Natasha. Mitt Romney as Dudley Do-right. Rick Perry as Beetle Bailey.

Jon Huntsman as "Underdog".

Barack Obama as Dondi.

Speaking of Hoffa, What a great role Jack Nicholson played in the movie 'Hoffa'. One of my favorites.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 7:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


U.S. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, R-Camas, will host a jobs fair this month in Vancouver.

The free event is open to all Southwest Washington residents, according to her Facebook page, and will be 1 to 6 p.m. Wednesday, Sept. 28 at Red Lion Hotel Vancouver at the Quay.

The unemployed are disorganized. They have no idea that if thousands rallied at this event, to make a statement for Rep. Jaime to take back to Washington and the local media to take notice of: We need JOBS!

mangoboy — September 6, 2011 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...Jaime Herrera as Betty Boop. Anthony Weiner as.........Woody Woodpecker.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John Boehner as Droopy Dog

hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Palin as Peggy Hill...

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If you are going to include King of the Hill, wouldn't Michele Bachmann be Reverend Karen Stroup

frobert — September 6, 2011 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Now here's a surprise,

"Larry Smith, Bart Hansen and Anne McEnerny-Ogle all said no to Madore’s requests that they appear on Madore’s website, Couv.com."

When you have no control over content, no control over editing, and you are being asked questions by the guy that is funding your opponent, I wonder why they wouldn't do it???

Another thing, if these candidates even bring up the CRC, they are just blowing smoke out their rears. They have no control over it so why bring it up.

hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- LOL!! A hybrid perhaps!

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Talk about karma, I guess that "less government" deal is working out for him. I wonder if he is going to ask FEMA for help?

hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I got a letter from Mrs. Jamie, today in response to my proposal on their retirement plan.

"





September 6, 2011



Dear Mr. XXXXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting me about the Congressional Reform Act. It is an honor to represent the people of Southwest Washington and I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with me.

We are facing unprecedented challenges in our nation and I agree with the call from families in Southwest Washington and Americans across the nation for Congress to undertake reforms. People throughout our region have been forced to cut back and make tough decisions in recent years, and Congress must do the same.

The first bill I introduced was the Savings Start with Us Act. If passed, the bill would cut the salaries of members of Congress, the President, and Vice President by 10%. I sponsored this bill because Congress voted to cut billions from the budget without cutting one dime from our own paychecks, and that's not fair. I realize this is only one step to Congressional reform, but I believe Congress must be willing to make the same sacrifices that so many in our region and throughout the nation have been forced to undertake. I came here to focus on job creation and to get federal spending under control. It is an honor to serve as your representative and as long as I'm effective in my job I hope to continue to be your representative in Congress.

Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue. I invite you to visit my website at www.HerreraBeutler.house.gov for additional information or to sign up to be kept up to date on these issues. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,

Jaime Herrera Beutler
Member of Congress

hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oddly enough, I have not heard of the "Congressional Reform Act" and after I received this, I looked it up. If there is an official one, I couldn't find it. The only thing I could find is an email idea that has been flying around for a couple of years and most of it isn't relevant.

hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 1:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk,

The insurance industry in Texas is calling the Bastrop fire a catastrophic event and brining many adjusters in to help with displaced residents put in a claim per article, this according to the Statesmen newspaper..Most of these folks it says have fire insurance for such an event. There may be some who do not have insurance though..This means most folks will get to rebuild there homes through there insurance company...To be displaced for sure is an event in itself.. Lets hope they see some good ol NW rain there soon.. Looks like something brewing off Yucatan P...

vanwadreamer — September 6, 2011 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye...maybe JHB was referring to these acts of Congress:

H.R.187 : Congressional Pay Reform Act of 2011 (1/5/2011)

H.R.882 : Congressional Foreign Travel Reform Act of 2011 (3/2/2011)

S.439 : Deficit Reduction and Budget Reform Act of 2011 (3/2/2011)

goldenoldie — September 6, 2011 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Could be Goldie but anything that has to do with reducing money to House and Senate members will NEVER get out of committee. That way, nobody has to take responsibility for saying "No" or "Yes". Too bad it can't be a Presidential order or up for a National Vote.

hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lots of stuff about Perry being involved with prostitutes and illegal drug use coming out on the internet from various sources. This much smoke this early...

Although it takes place in all walks of life, conservatives and licentious behavior, more than often seem to go hand in hand. No pun intended. I really do hope the right can come up with a respectable candidate for POTUS. But given their choices in the past and this election...who knows?

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Come to think of it, if it wasn't for the sex scandals of "conservative" Richard Curtis, Jaime Herrera would never have been. At least not at this level. We can do better than this.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Things seem to be a bit slow. That’s OK, since most of you Leftists are dull in the head anyway. In spite of what you think.

Thought I would liven things up a bit. Just for the fun of it.

Remember this?

[Not sure what they're trying to say, but the tune was good.][1]

[A lot of you may not even know this one, but it is good. Oh yes.][2]

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrUqA...
[2]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhM1X...

kn_dalai — September 6, 2011 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good tunes kn_d. Alvin Lee on of my favorite top 5 guitarists of all time, and nobody slides the "King Snake".

So Kn_d, what up? Out of the current field of Presidential hopefuls, who would you vote for, and if not happy with current selection, who would it be (living)?

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Nails:

Ron Paul.

But then again, anyone who has read and understands the constitution of the united states, small caps, understands the Libertarian foundations of government.

But of course, the president is but a small cog in a bigger wheel. Ahem, at least that's the way it was supposed to be.

kn_dalai — September 6, 2011 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A lot of things to like with Paul, but a lot to dislike also. What do you think of him signing the Susan B. Anthony pledge?

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 9:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


With your political ideology, there should be absolutely nothing, that you should like about R. Paul.

Gee Whiz. Do you people even understand relationships in terms of things called politics? Nope,not even close.

That your bud Catnip, has supported R. Paul for a couple of days, and then turned on him, should be some sort of evidence as to the transitory nature of the Left.

As I have previously stated, Roe v. Wade is the best decision which could be made, in regards to the most difficult political decision that there is.

kn_dalai — September 6, 2011 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d, your penchant for boxing thought is sometimes..polarizing. I like Paul in that he's passionate, and seems genuinely involved with what he believes, a purist of sorts. A corporatist, yeah, a Republican, yeah, a confused isolationist that lives in an alternate universe...oh yeah!!

But also someone who champions individual liberty and freedoms.

You "Libertarians" crack me up with your "individualist" spirit, until a fire or a tornado comes to town and it's PaPa..PaPa...over here. When your kids don't attain the level of success desired, it's the evils of Public education. Blah Blah...and a little more blah blah.

Most people I believe, to include myself, finds that one individual party doesn't speak 100% on their behalf. Or one individual for that matter

To include a sell out like Ron Paul, and sign a pledge that flies in the face of every thing the Libertarian party stands for. InMyHumbleOpinion.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 10:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ron Paul. A religious anti-abortion corporate suck-up conservative hack. Is this the best the "Libertarians" can do? You think Bachman's a Libertarian also? What makes her different from Paul, outside of her leading in the polls?

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 10:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen. I think they should be removed from office. It's reverse voter fraud of sorts, if the voters were not aware they were signing such a juvenile and destructive pledge.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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godsvoice — September 6, 2011 at 10:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...all righty then.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 10:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ron Paul, an outstanding human being who displays the content of his character, without fear of reprisal from his scummy little collectivist thinking opponents.

One who obviously understands the foundations of personal liberty. That which modern day Leftists cannot begin to comprehend.

Funny how so many of you long for people of character, in politics, and then pull out the stops to denigrate those who do not fit your little Leftist paradigm.

kn_dalai — September 6, 2011 at 10:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...and the Susan B Anthony Pledge? What's he got to fear anyway? What risk is he taking, other than busting holes in the lining of his pockets every presidential election, when he knows he has zero chance of winning, but he can sure rake in vast amounts of cash doing it. And now with PAC monies...YEE HAWWW! He understands the "foundations of personal liberty", about as much the airhead from Alaska. String the few faithful along, increase your fortune, and till next election live off the spoils or "work" for FOX news.

Character? The hard right politicians define the lack of it.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You are suggesting that Ron Paul is in this to make his own personal fortune.

What a jaded individual you are Mr. Nails.

Walk us through your reasoning.

I suggest, you really have no basis for your thoughts other than your own antipathy. Wholly unsupportable.

Of course, those revolutionaries back then, were quite thoroughly despised by those loyal to the crown.

It does raise the interesting question of who the Conservatives are, and just who the Liberals are.

As I have repeatedly stated, The Liberalism of the Enlightenment has nothing to do with the ‘Liberalism’ of this era.

kn_dalai — September 6, 2011 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Walk through what? I made no mention of his motivations. Just observations, something that eludes many elitist "constitutionalists". Perhaps I'm "jaded" because this lifetime entrenched government worker, wishes to tear apart the very institution he claims allegiance to.

What is it? How many terms in congress? 11 or 12? All the time fighting for "term limits". LOL!

Give me a break. I suppose everyone needs a hero.

nailingit — September 6, 2011 at 11:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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godsvoice — September 6, 2011 at 11:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: Here is a Republican Presidential candidate I can learn to love: Buddy Roemer.

Did you see Rachel Maddow's inerview with him last night? The former Congressman and Governor of LA will only accept up to $100 for a single donation. He has nailed the corruption that comes with accepting huge amounts of money from special interests. His poll numbers are better than Huntsman, but he is not getting debate time. Perhaps soon. I think America needs to hear his message. I'm listening.

I like this guy on many levels. I wish he did not hate the Health Care Reform Act so much. No one is perfect or will offer everything to all: http://www.buddyroemer.com/

manthou — September 7, 2011 at 4:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 6, 2011 at 10:14 p.m.

The sad truth regarding your concerns Allen...is the fact that each and every elected official is living a double standard and the newcomers don't realize that fact till after they've been in office a few days. Reality slaps them in the face and they are trained what to say to us and how to say it.. Why else do you think the seasoned career politicians are so good at telling us something which when it is interpreted, could god two different directions???

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 6, 2011 at 5:25 p.m.

I hear ya!

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 4:30..(4:30!) I have many reservations about Mr. Buddy, Turncoats months before an election, to me it shows lack of trust and character. I'm all on board for campaign finance reform and transparency. Buddy loves to cut programs and spending, and while a democrat, supported Reagan's attempt to corporatize America.

It is refreshing to see a Republican buck other Republicans once in awhile. I don't trust him, but he does bring a much needed conversation to the forefront. Of all the Republicans running I'd take Huntsman and a democratic house and senate.

Are you expecting anything with the jobs speech? I know I won't be disappointed, I expect zero! :))

alleycat- I see a lot of "Alleycat" in the first seven minutes of Roemer's speech manthou. Dude, get over yourself a bit. It's the way the majority of Americans feel. Roemer's just tapping into it. Everyone can relate to injustices, except those doling out the "justice".

goldenoldie- "...each and every elected official is living a double standard..." Care to source that? Your continuation of blurring the lines, in these days and times I might add, is a detriment to anyone that would take your speech seriously.

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen- "IMO, vote every incumbent out, doesn't matter what party they belong to."

Allen...let's take a scalpel to the situation this time. Vote out those who have by and large supported policies that we disagree with. Wasn't this the same mantra in 2010? Look what happened! Let's vote on individual merit this time around.

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If I inherited a business that was so out of hand and dysfunctional, and only 25% of the workforce were more than competent, should I fire everyone to make a point? No. For many reasons on many levels, you keep the good workers. Look what happened in 2010. Look at the kind of people who were elected, more often than not financed by huge corporate money to "blur the lines". These people rode the wave of discontent in 2010, and took advantage of a voting block that is very low info...think fox news, the media lies ranging everything from healthcare to the economy..jacked by radio and tv and look what we got.

The most corrupt and ineffective Congress in United States history.

Let's educate ourselves about the opponents this time around. It's the smart thing to do.

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I first happened upon this site over a year ago. My very first thoughts were.."this will be fantastic, at a tap of a key I'll be able to send my thoughts so others can respond back in my now hometown instantly".
At first it was quite exciting, comments about weather, daily doings around town/state, sports, politics, and even comments about the daily paper and staff. For the most part everyone discussed issues, and learned a great deal from the perspective of others. The ladies would comment about what they were cooking and caused all of us to smack our lips and drool.
There was no "my side" vs "your side", it was simply a melding of different opinions and light hearted chatter.

Instead of working together to understand why others think the way they do...
the comments now that differ from most are viciously attacked. Much like a pack of wolves salivating over an elk carcass. The talking points from all sides flows, much of what I see is propaganda from every angle of media spoon feed to you like pablum.
Not one side has all the answers nor is correct. This great nation of ours has taken a turn unlike any other time in history. It is going to take each and everyone of us to set aside our differences and work together to restore what we once had.

Instead of being an "armchair quarterback" stand up and be counted, go out into the community and volunteer, help those who are in need, neighbors, schools, churches, community centers, homeless shelters, shelters for the abused, hospitals, VA, nursing homes. Walk you neighborhoods and parks, report any suspicious behaviors, take a trash bag with you and pick up trash in and around your neighborhood. If you see a neighbor that needs their lawn mowed or weeds pulled, knock on the door and ask if you can help. This people is The **United** States of America, not The **Divided** States of America!

soul_pancake — September 7, 2011 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 9:28 a.m.

Here is a list of those buying our elections, and it looks like the majority of the money is going to democrats.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

frobert — September 7, 2011 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fro..good site and thank you for it. Just took a look at the PAC money alone, Republicans outweigh heavily. Will look later at the various nuances and money lines. But it reallt doesn't matter, does it? We need reform in this area..and as you know since Citizen's United, we can't keep track anyway.

Nice post goldenoldie..............

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- RE: 4:30 am comment
I have a question for you. Can you share with me what you like so much about the new health care reform act proposed by our president..What would you like to see enhanced or changed about it?

vanwadreamer — September 7, 2011 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


soul_pancake,

Re: 9:58 post; AMEN, Well Said, Thank You.

itiswritten

itiswritten — September 7, 2011 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It's family day!

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.

It appears that the PACs favor the democrats also.

frobert — September 7, 2011 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 8:58 a.m.

Well, actually...to answer you regarding my comment at 8:53 am, Nailingit... I don't think there's any need to source my "OPINION" and my "OBSERVATION." It is apparent I'm not the only one who believes that...if you'd like to read Allen's comment at 9:00 am right after mine. You see Nailingit, this is a place for us to voice our opinions and comments and we aren't beholding to anybody to "Source" our claims. No hard feelings, though.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.

?????

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 11:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


soul_pancake — September 7, 2011 at 9:58 a.m.

What a well thought, well written post...excellent food for thought. Right On!!!

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/se...

***Are they freakin' nuts?***

Anybody who has $2500 to throw around...let alone $5000 minimum contribution per person... just to sit at a table and chew the fat with *any* politician had better shake off the "visions of grandeur" and return to reality or get their heads examined.

Strike One, Jaime.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I agree Allen. There are people on both sides of the aisle that need to go. We need to educate ourselves as to the ones to keep, and the ones to fire.

$2500.00 a plate. Just to talk to Boehner and, who now, without equivocation, has earned the title..."The Princess of Camas". Incredible! Maybe I'm wrong about Jaime. Boehner has to be setting her up for a fall. Or are these politicians really just that out of touch?

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


They are really that out of touch. Refer to previous conversation re: elitists. They truly do not care what the average person thinks, needs, wants, etc. They can't even conceive of it...

PadmaRani — September 7, 2011 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm afraid you are right PadmaRani. Unfortunately.

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***WOW, I mean, just WOW !!!!!***

Is she serious? $2500 to talk to TWO used car salesmen and a one term prom queen???

Pretty sure there is something wrong with this.

Hawkeye OUT!

hawkeye — September 7, 2011 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


PadmaRani, I agree with nailingit at 2:12 pm.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye it makes one want to rush out to the auto mall and buy a car.

terick — September 7, 2011 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


perhaps if a couple thousand unemployed Clark Co residents demonstrated to the Camas Queen at Dick's mansion what's really needed here are JOBS, JOBS, and more JOBS, she might remember at least one campaign promise. I wonder how many unemployed people will be eating high on the hog with this bunch? This is so out of touch I'm surprised even by a politician's low standards. I guess she's got to fund the war chest for the next election, which apparently is most important. Hopefully, this will be the largest slap in the face Jamie hits us Clark Co bumpkins with this term, and better yet, she won't get a second chance next term. Simply appalling.

mrd — September 7, 2011 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***soul_pancake***

could not agree *more.*

DeeLittle — September 7, 2011 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Pass the maple syrup.

soapbox4u — September 7, 2011 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My thought on Boehner's coming here to fund-raise for Jaime: they are worried about losing the election. They are hauling out the big gunners to fill her coffers and get the base excited again. It won't work. If I have to pay so much to be able to have a face-to-face with my congresswoman, that says it all. I guess the Masters and Mistresses of the Universe will spend the time congratulating each other and stroking their egos. Or something like that.

On the FB side, Madore is suggesting to an unemployed woman that she go and visit Chuck's produce, in spite of her unemployed status. You don't have to buy anything, he says, just bask in the healthy ambience.

Maybe she get lucky and inhale some nutrition, eh Dave?

How out of touch can these people be?

Why do the poorest of the poor continue to support this wealth-protecting agenda? Someone explain it to me. Puleeeeze?

manthou — September 7, 2011 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen: Howard Schultz's telephone town hall was interesting. The call quality cut out every so often, but the questions posed were good.

The gap between the haves and the have nots is widening. Here is a good summary:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/sep/07/starbucks-howard-schultz-town-hall

manthou — September 7, 2011 at 6:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well Alleycat...by the way things are sounding, Allen's idea of "Vote 'em Out" might actually happen...but one question. How can we possibly vote them all out when several of the members of Congress will still be in their positions since their position isn't up for re-election? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of trying to vote them all out? After all, there's still the career politicians who have manipulated the system for how many years now????

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK Everybody,

Make sure to let Jamie know exactly how you feel about her $2500 per person meet and greet.

www.HerreraBeutler.house.gov

I know I already have.

hawkeye — September 7, 2011 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Alley...I don't think anybody questions your thoughts regarding the elected ones and their betrayal of our trust. I know I don't. You speak of playing semantics...but the fact is that in the real world, we've tried to "vote 'em out," but some have stayed...and...

look at what we have thus far???

..

Good idea, hawk. I'll be sending my email in a bit.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


sigh...

Alley...you don't have to yell! We hear you loud and clear, buddy. Now...care to explain to the people just what in the manner you speak of when you say "Prepare Yourself???"

-also-

You speak volumes about the sad condition of the work and how there are no jobs, yet you also speak about the choke hold the government has on all of us with the W-2's. So Alley...instead of telling us all this gloom and doom...explain to the fine people for just what it is YOU think everyone should do to prepare.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The Pillick of the year award goes to none other than NY City mayor Bloomberg.

First Responders and clergy are not invited to the Sept 11th 2011 ceremony at ground zero.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/responders.asp

soul_pancake — September 7, 2011 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The article describes this as “a fundraising event for U.S. Rep Jaime Herrera Beutler.”

Years ago, I saw some 6:00 news clip, of some smarmy little wet behind the ears kids, ridiculing GOP supporters who paid $1000 a plate dinner, at some GOP candidate function. “SHAME ON YOU”. Over and over.

But here’s the deal: anyone running for a public office does this kind of thing. Democrat or Republican. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners. It has nothing to do with eating dinner. It is a fund raiser. So essentially, the detractors found it convenient to suggest that the $1000 was to pay for dinner, when of course, it was really a contribution to the candidate of one’s choice. One must wonder, if these little wet behind the ears Leftists, also made such appearances at Democrat party functions.

From an earlier statement on the subject:

> Open Forum, June 7-12

> Letter: Where does all the money go?
>
> I would guess the letter writer is referring to money raised for and spent on campaigns.
>
> That money is spent on printers, newspapers, television and radio stations. Paying for travel and accommodations, renting convention centers and perhaps buying food and paying caterers. All of whom pay employees who pay taxes.
>
> It is a natural transfer of wealth from one to another and is the way free markets work.
>
> June 10, 2011 at 12:26 p.m.
>
> (By kn_dalai)

If I could make one change in my above statement, it would be that "natural transfer of wealth" should be changed to "voluntary transfer of wealth"

Thank You.

kn_dalai — September 7, 2011 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sporty's right, Alleycat. It's both sides of the ticket inviting folks to throw their money away...I'd say for a status quo...kind of that shining of the brass buttons mentality.(I believe Sporty had their first spelling test today in grammar school. He likes the letter "F" tonight).

..

Anyhow...it is all doom and gloom you've been sharing, Alley. Did I say that what you are sharing isn't the truth or that it isn't happening??? I know we have rehashed over and over again what you believe people should be doing right now, Alley...but when you are sharing your thoughts and concerns...once in awhile, it's good to tell others how to go about handling the situation we are being dealt. I like your ideas about meritocracy.

Now on a less serious note...your entire 7:57 pm post sounds like lyrics to a song.

...and yes, Alleycat. I am listening.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


No squishy, not unprecedented. Just rude and out of touch with her constituents. Can you afford $2500 for an evening with them (if you were invited)? Is it worth that to you?

To me (a district 3 voter) it's a slap in the face. And yes it would be the same if it was a Demo doing the same thing.

And yes, some people here are just to stupid to properly communicate, uneducated I would think.

hawkeye — September 7, 2011 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Given the times. Given the day. Given that Herrera refuses to have a free public forum in which the citizens who put her into office can address her...kn_d and sporty, think about what you are not only defending, but encouraging. Theatre of the absurd to be sure.

Politics, situations, as well as people are subjected to nuance. You guys know how much this situation, as well as Herrera/Boehner smell to high hell. Just to proud to admit it?

kn_d..pardon me if I pay you a compliment. You have more smarts in your little finger than most do in their frontal lobe. Surely you see through some of this.

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Unedjumacated, hawk.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Seriously though...I totally agree with you hawkeye, that this is a virtual slap in the face to a district flailing in high unemployment numbers, has seen a record or near record of families losing everything to this economic disaster...and some high-falutin' local car dealership magnate (not my first choice of words to describe what I really want to call them, but I'm being nice) puts on a two-grand dinner affair in honor of ...hmmm... well...

...you know what I mean.

And ANY politician who wants to pull this stunt in our district will receive the same email of concern. We don't need our politicians to virtually throw up their thumb on their noses to the very people who elected them...that hope and change thingy we heard about in 2008. I guess we'd never figured we'd be hoping for a miracle to change everything for the better, huh!

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 9 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai...good post at 7:53 pm.

goldenoldie — September 7, 2011 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie: I like the way you are trying to encourage a discussion on specific solutions. We need to plan for a further decline. Just because. Just in case. Just to show we can!

Unless we want to spend months holed up in a stinking sportsdome crammed like sardines, we sure do not want to rely on the government and the likes of J HB or so many other politicians to take care of us. They look out for each other.

Shelter, food, water, heat, sanitation, clothing. Pay off the mortgage. Find passive income sources. Barter and trade for services and supplies needed with your friends and family. Raise your own food. Store the rest. Live, laugh, and love more.

Politicians can do this, are independent of government programs to survive. They play with their constituents' security like it is a chess game.

manthou — September 7, 2011 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Anyone check out the GOP debate tonight? Anyone up there you would vote for?

Perry looked terrible, Romney and Huntsman looked good, Newt was ridiculous and kept playing the victim card, Cain was funny, Paul was seriously funny, Santorum was excited and Bachman...was Bachman. She wore the same shirt as she did in the first debate I believe, a bit tacky, but 'it seemed so real'.

I thought Huntsman did the best and he's my choice for President to this date. As long as Dems control House and Senate.

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW Huntsman refuses to sign Grover's pledge. He said he wants the other candidates to sign a pledge, not to sign pledges!

nailingit — September 7, 2011 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here is some really good info on the Repub candidates.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20110908/D9PK466O0.html

hawkeye — September 7, 2011 at 11:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit @ 10:32 PM: You asked last night if there was any Republican presidential candidate worth voting for. Jon Hunstman has my attention, too. I watched the debates and he made the most sense and seemed reasonable. I think you mentioned yesterday that Hunstman plus a Democratic congress would be a good balance (OK, you convinced me that Buddy Roemer was a one-night stand for me).

I still think we will be seeing President Obama in the job for another term. I am wondering what his jobs plan will be tonight and whether he can move it through Congress.

I agree about those pledges, even the one Howard Schultz asked fellow CEOs to sign. Enough, already! This is bordering on the ridiculous.

manthou — September 8, 2011 at 5:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**"""Shelter, food, water, heat, sanitation, clothing. Pay off the mortgage. Find passive income sources. Barter and trade for services and supplies needed with your friends and family. Raise your own food. Store the rest. Live, laugh, and love more."""**

Manthou, these words by you on September 7th at 9:25pm are the very same words I live by. I thank you for pointing out my number one intention while posting on the Columbian. I'm looking for solutions to this debacle we are all experiencing and am trying to get people to take one step further than just saying what we all know COULD happen. We need to work together to find those solutions in order to reduce our obvious dependence on the very same people we are condemning for "screwing up." Your quote...if you don't mind, has rolled it all into a good bundle of information and I will be sharing it with anyone and everyone who feels like there's no end to the problems at hand.

Now...from that statement, the work begins for everyone to reach deep into their hearts, their minds and take a good look at how they can better their own situation. We don't need to hear of how "John Doe" has taken the stock market for a ride and is living high off the hog doing things others cannot. Nobody needs to hear of how such and such has no debt and nobody needs to hear how Fred or Sam or Jane has stockpiled silver or gold and is ready for the apocalypse.

What we need is for everyone to re-educate themselves on just how to go about finding their own successes. It doesn't matter how small or how large that success is. Each small step is one giant leap towards that self reliance, no matter how minimal it may seem.

We CAN get through this recession/depression and we will. Humans are quite resilient to change but it all begins with an open mind.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 6:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Statement from Cowlitz County Sheriff's Office in the AP article...courtesy of Micah Rice...regarding the Union Protestors clashing with police in Longview:

*"This was not like the peaceful protests we've seen in the past. The protesters today were loud, aggressive and assaulted my officers." Said Cowlitz County Sheriff Mark Nelson.*

*"We've danced this dance before. When our officers went in to make peaceful, lawful trespass arrests, they were rushed by a mob of hundreds of protesters who were resistive and throwing things at the officers" Nelson said.*

*"I have been meeting with local union leadership and business representatives for two months now. I was always assured that things would not get violent towards our police officers. I guess the protesters from out of town didn't get that message." Nelson said.*

*"I'm very concerned about our local folks, and have been since this thing started. There are people outside of our community that are pulling the strings here, and our neighbors are the ones getting hurt."*

*"The courts have tried to step in and give direction to these parties. Disregarding the law is not something any of us in this community can tolerate."*

*"The goal of law enforcement has not, and is not to move a train. We're cops, not engineers or conductors. Our goal is to enforce the law and arrest those who break the law; which in this case is trespass."*

*"Approximately 40 officers from the Sheriff's Office, Longview Police, Kelso Police, Washington State Patrol responded to a gathering of nearly 400 people at the rail entrance to Port of Longview Property. Where they were blocking railroad tracks."*

*"Deputies were attempting to address the group through public address announcements, telling the protesters that they were trespassing and had to leave. The announcements were shouted down by the protesting crowd. Three trespassers were arrested at that time before it became too dangerous for officer and they withdrew."*

*Later in the evening law enforcement made an additional 16 arrests for trespass.*

*At this time, deputies are investigating vandalism that occurred to the train after it was stopped by the protesters.*

Should we be concerned? Darn straight we should be concerned. Not just for the implications of why the union is standing up to this company and where the members are coming from, but for the obvious fact that it is our tax dollars paying to keep the police on top of the matter. Also...if this was on BNSF/UP rails...where were their officers??? I'm curious to know why these protests were allowed to commence in the first place, yet whenever there's any type of police activity near the railroads...they shut the rails down all the way to Kansas or California or Canada.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 6:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat at 6:23 a.m

You say "The politicians are not working for the people.... It is happening every where as we speak.."

I agree...and it's all the more reason to sever the dependence the people have on their government to survive this transition we are all witnessing. Whether it's a transition for the worse or a transition for the better...

You said it yourself...we all have to prepare. Anybody who isn't even trying to make a dent in their lives...will be left behind, unfortunately.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 6:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/se...

Should we be concerned? Just how many local investors will be buying foreign properties...or is it the other way around??? Apparently the US is quite an investment hot spot for investors in foreign nations:

http://www.nuwireinvestor.com/articles/international-real-estate-investors-choose-us-properties-51896.aspx

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 6:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


After watching the debates last night, I wonder why democrats like Perry and Romney are involved in the republican debate. Well, several liberals on here have said they hoped a democrat would run against Obama.

frobert — September 8, 2011 at 7:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden,

Actually, I think, both your comments..at 6:31 and 6:37 can be tied together.
From what I understand the longshoremen and others are steadily losing their jobs over properties and businesses being bought by foreign investors and are bring their own people in for the jobs.

Correct me if I am wrong.

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 8:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI, I think it's symptomatic of ALL groups today losing jobs in their fields. If you were in the nursing field and an employer brought in another group of employees in to do your job at a lower wage and benefits, would you not be threatened?

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good observation, ELISI. It's pretty bad when they call in the enforcements from out of area, then start damaging property and rail cars...making a terrible name for the folks in Cowlitz and Clark Counties when it comes to working these union jobs. According to a new article this morning, the protesters have hit in the early morning hours, severing brake lines, dumping grain, smashing the guard booth to the shipyard...damages which will eventually trickle into our grocery stores. It doesn't sound like much but it's enough to bring attention to everyone.

I just don't condone the violence and damage and lasting costs and implications by someone who claims they're protesting for the rights of the workers. Now you have to ask yourself...just who are they doing all this damage for??? The workers needing the jobs or...(fill in the blank)?

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


everyone's job is threatened. today, replacing humans with robots, machines, and/or computers is the norm. as long as it takes fewer people to make the machines and computers, the jobs will disappear. how is it possible to provide jobs for all that want them while at the same time attempting to reduce the number of jobs? throw in a growing population, and now there's a real shortage, and it won't get any better. further down the road, there's no reason to assume the cheaper overseas job markets won't follow the course of most, that being wages will eventually rise and become threatened by automation. perhaps a look way down the road would indicate we need to re-think this job thing and evolve to a different economical system. the day is going to come anyway, might as well get a jump on it. the next few generations of computers will probably take my job. hopefully, I'll be retired by then.

mrd — September 8, 2011 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 5:56- I would rather see Huntsman at this point then Obama as President (with a dem congress majority). I'm afraid you are right. Four more years of a President, who up to this point disappoints everyone with his lack of resolve, courage and unwillingness to stand up for the issues that put him in office. And I like Obama and voted for him, but at this point he (as we) would be better served if he went back to the classroom (no disrespect intended). He hasn't "grown into" this job very well. He has allowed the anti-American message of the Republican corporatists to dominate his first years.I like Huntsman. And most likely for the reasons that Republicans don't.

He's well educated. He is willing to buck standard GOP talking points. He seems kind. Doesn't promote his undefinable beliefs in a higher power!, and understands that both sides need to work together to get things done. Most likely explains single digit popularity. The jobs/China connection is a plus not to be ignored.

Does anyone see anything...worth a crap in Perry? The fact that Republicans embrace him, only understanding his hate speech, doesn't bode well for them. Although two terms of George Bush made me realize that anything is possible. Anything.

Just curious...anyone here vote for Bush's second term? If so why? Abortion? Corporations? Tax cuts? Love of war and death? I am still baffled as to how in the hell he was elected...twice. I was overseas in those years and removed from the voting pulse in America. Re-electing someone that was so obviously inept as Bush.....why?????? I don't care if Soupy Sales was running against him. Instead we had a decorated war hero against him and look what happened.

Perry could very well get the nod and become President. And once again, the rest of the world will laugh and cry.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 8:20 a.m

I understand, but when is enough, enough?
Do we as Americans keep allowing foreign companies to come here and put our own people out of work? Keep allowing the borders to be freely open to all when our own people are suffering?

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 8:30 a.m

I have to ask, were the ones that did the damage actually connected to the union?...or are they bought and paid for to damage the union to bring it down, break it?? I know someone that used to be a "union buster". His job was to get in and undermine the union and break it apart. He told that he did whatever he had to do to break the union up.

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 8, 2011 at 8:38 a.m

As I see it, that is the sad part mrd. Technology is wonderful, has brought this country a long way in the last 1,000 yrs. But it also has put people out of work... a "catch 22".

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 9:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 9:05 a.m

As of yet, no one, not one person running has me excited enough to even vote for president.

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


On another issue which hasn't been mentioned, concerning the Columbian hit piece against unions.....what the hell is that ..... I'll be nice...cop doing with his hamhock hands around the throat of an American citizen? That boy needs a slap down and so sorry for not being in a position to deliver it.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit, I was wondering the same thing. I took a couple of years of police sciences and I can't remember that hold from any of my classes. It must have been taught at the academy, but I can't think of a good reason to use it.

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I agree with Elisi.. watch the R debate, really found 2 lacking. Ron Paul, was one, and because I don't want to sound racest I won't mention the other. I did vote for Obama, but never again. Man has a proves track record for a looser, and had drug America down farther than Bush.
No one really courted the middle class.
Really tired of the symbolism, lack of substance. Would be a terrific time for a 3rd party write in canidate. If the right person would run they may win in a Nixon like landslide.
But who?

AllenAnderson — September 8, 2011 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit.. smartmouth probably deserved smacked with a night stick and not just grabed.

AllenAnderson — September 8, 2011 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye..I wonder if this is what they teach the wannabee cop citizens on their "ride alongs". There was a poster a few weeks back that mentioned she "rides" along frequently. I found this to be weird. Maybe she could expound on the some of the policy practices that our "protect and serve" officers apply. This..to be more than nice once again..cop, needs to be suspended without pay until this undeniable proof of abuse is addressed.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


AllenAnderson...so cops are judges now? Cop needs a lesson.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 9:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ALLEY!!! Before you start with that bit of information you share regarding police intelligence, do you have a verifiable, factual link to substantiate that statement? I'd find it rather amusing that 40 or 50 cops who went up against 200+ fired up union members did so just to instigate outrage and violence. If you go back and read the articles, they both state all but a handful of protesters had returned to their union hall. I'm not saying there isn't the remotest chance that this was a job by a certain group...but come on now - you're blaming the cops for this one???

-1

My advice...keep your statements credible or show verifiable documentation through a link.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Actually nailingit...in an emergent situation such as what went on yesterday, cops DO have to judge the situation in an instant in order to make the right move to contain and control and eliminate the problem.

I don't think he was out of line considering what ensued.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Naive??? Nope...far from it, but if you cannot provide anything that validates your statement against the police department, then your statement is simply rumor mongering. You say you know...you know a lot about many things. Well Alley, I do too and in this instance...I believe we are both looking at the issue from opposite views. You don't care to share, that's your choice but don't expect others to believe it.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Alley,
From yesterdays post at 7:42pm
I agree with a couple of your comments but a couple I have to say i don't agree with. You say back to basics.. Well thats a big black hole.. What are the basics??
On having everyone on a family wage job. There are jobs that pay minimum wage and for what reason? It's because it doesn't take allot of skill to perform these thus anyone can have that job. But as the pay sclae goes up so does the expetise and knowledge required for that job go up. If someone is complaining about there $10 an hour job then tell me how much do you want to make and then find those jobs that pay it and see if you have those skill sets. if so go after those jobs if not quit complaining about not having a better paying job.IMHO...
I totally agree with the imigration proposal and on top of that we need deal with all the illegal imigrants that are here right now in our country.. I am for some type of privatization of SS. I would have acess to allott more of MY MONRY at retirement and have the ability to pass that along to my family should I die and give them a legacy to build upon.. Current system is a joke.. Reform the tax laws and install a fair tax where everyone pays taxes.. That way everyone has a shared responsibility and obligation... Not sure where you want to go with the employment laws but I'm certainly for at will employment... One last thing.. If I accumulate wealth I certainly will do with it as I please and if I want to give to charity or to my family that will be my option and no one else's...Just some thoughts. Notice I din't yell at you either, we can read and understnad your thoughts without you yelling...

vanwadreamer — September 8, 2011 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Alley, Alley, Alley....
First of all my parents retired from millitary, without accumulating great wealth.. I paid for my own college as did my two other siblings..and I did not live at home and graduated in 4 years.. Used that degree to go into the profession I was trained and studied for in college. yes it can be done you just have to WORK at it.. Thats one of the problem our society is having now is so many don't want to work for less than what they were being paid prior to there last job. It's beneath them, or I'm better than that.. See thats where we differ.. You have to do what you have to do to live the way you want too. Quit complaining about it and go do something about it.. Yes it's tough out there, but maybe you and your spouse have to work more than one job, so beit if thats what it takes.. been there done that...

About SS and savings.. Well we differ again.. I know you put all your savings in a Guarenteed 3% return worried the world was comong to and end.. Thats your strategy, not mine.. I will more than double your plan in the same amount of time..
Your so worried about peole taking your money yet you still have it invested hum, very contradicterary....I didn't use a bank to start my business, hum novel idea.. I know many do but if thats your only resource well its your only resource..Your right though, it's all about performance..

So why would you care who we vote in as president as long as they can get the job done, whether they be R, D or Indy.. who really cares..In addition I want to leave something for my children and I will, hopefully they will do the same for theres.. you have some good ideas and some that we will disagree with lets say...

vanwadreamer — September 8, 2011 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Pootytat...its people like you that make the law enforcement work twice as hard. It isn't bad on the good side of the law...try it sometime, you might be happier instead of expelling your tripe.

mxfun118 — September 8, 2011 at 11:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat...I hear you. Huntsman right now, I see as the lesser of nine evils, to include Obama. Our system isn't going to change by 2012 (if ever), so the way I see it, let's put the person that seems to be least harmful to our country in office. Stem the tide if you well. Call me old fashioned or idealistic, but I believe divided government, if the players by and large have a measure of integrity, can be a good thing. Checks and balances.

Also Huntsman seems much more pliable than the others. Willing to compromise for the betterment of our country. Obama decided to compromise our economy continuing the Bush tax cuts, and continues to bend over for corporate junk yard dogs, and will continue to.

I would only want Huntsman in the House if the Dems controlled the rest. It use to be a progressive's dream to have a Dem Pres and total control. obama turned the dream into a nightmare with his lack of leadership and ... testicular fortitude. Before it's said and done, history well have it's way with Obama, I don't think it will be kind. War, taxes, education, healthcare, infrastructure, unions...you name it. He's taken a dump on the party that got him elected about 50 times too many. No more.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...and he's fluent in Mandarin! Man, how cool to give the State of the Union Address in Mandarin. It's all BS anyway. At least it would sound cool!

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Huntsman could run on this slogan...

"John Huntsman, the candidate who is least toxic and harmful for our country"

(brought to you by concerned citizens, committed to slowing down the ruination of America)

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 11:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat — September 8, 2011 at 12:05 p.m

Alley...you've stooped to a new low today. Because some "Fed Guy" doesn't sugarcoat the condition of our economy and tells it like it is...you're *ass-uming* the worst case scenario. One thing you haven't taken into consideration is how resilient the people of our nation are...and even with the words of you, the almighty wise one with all the fear mongering and minimal guidance dealt on the forum on a regular basis...

...you really think people will take someone like you seriously, someone who thinks their guidance is THE WORD TO FOLLOW when they resort to calling another commenter a demeaning name just because they said something you didn't like???

tsk...tsk!!! Shame on you, alley.

..

oh...and regarding your comment at 10:13am...I don't take your word for it. I know you about as much as I know the man in the moon and I would trust you about as far as I could throw a feather, bud.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen, what makes that different than voters here having to sign up for vote by mail? I'm not defending them, just asking.
It could be that they don't want to be flooded by the extra work it takes to manufacture these "free IDs" since they keep laying off workers.

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


obama has already won the election in 2012. The Republicans haven't got anyone who can beat him. He got elected in 2008 because he went after new voters, the brainwashed young entitlement generation and the voters from the ghettos. Now, because he didn't deliver on his promises to these ignorant people, he can't depend on their vote. So, now he is after the Mexicans, gays, and any other groups that can be easily swayed over to his side. The only guaranteed vote will come from some of the unions and the deadbeats who depend on the government teat for survival. It's hard to defeat someone who will stoop to any level in order to win. Therefore, I think the election will again be close in the popular vote like last time, but he will win the electoral vote easily. So, unfortunately, the Republicans will have to take the blame for our country continuing to fall apart because they couldn't come up with a formidable candidate to beat obama. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

cranky — September 8, 2011 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's hard to defeat someone who will stoop to any level in order to win. cranky — September 8, 2011 at 1:44 p.m

If that was true, the Republican'ts would win EVERYTIME.

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cranky...does anybody's vote really count? I think we are all led to believe we are voting these clowns in office but the truth is...they've already made their decisions as to who will be POTUS for another 4 years. Everything else is just a smoke screen to divert our attention away from what is truly going on behind the scenes. Just my thoughts.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL...not even going to dignify that with a response...I would but inappropriate language is not in my vocabulary...loss cause....

~Sometimes you have to join in the fight to defeat the fight instead of being against it~

mxfun118 — September 8, 2011 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Auntie Em!!!!!....... Auntie Em!!!!!***

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*In a speech tonight before Congress, President Obama will propose a nearly $450 billion program of tax cuts and new government spending aimed at energizing the country’s stalling economic recovery.*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-the-top-issue-for-the-nation-obama-making-face-to-face-appeal-to-republicans-on-jobs/2011/09/08/gIQAXp4OBK_story.html?wpisrc=al_national

I wonder just where he is going to get the $450 billion from..

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 3:43 p.m.

Remember Hawkeye to click your heels 3 times..

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


For a fleeting moment, I thought I saw Toto run across my living room floor...but it was my dachshund running for her toy.

..
Alley, what makes you think I've got my head in the sand? Ass-umptions gets people in trouble.

You ask me..."What if they take your hubby's job away and you end up in the street for one reason or another...would you then fight for your rights and dignity?"

Well Alley, we wouldn't be sitting back crying "Not fair, Not fair!" Instead, we'd be working proactively. You might review manthou's excellent words of the wise which are as follows -

***Shelter, food, water, heat, sanitation, clothing. Pay off the mortgage. Find passive income sources. Barter and trade for services and supplies needed with your friends and family. Raise your own food. Store the rest. Live, laugh, and love more.***

I will add to the list and say it is a good idea to keep a keen eye on the happenings around our nation, but do NOT base your life on the actions of others and how you can BEAT THE SYSTEM...rather, to remind yourselves and others just what is necessary in life and live it to the fullest, no matter what curve it has thrown you. You know the old saying...when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. It's up to each individual to decide just how sweet they want that lemonade.

THAT my dear sir, IS the AMERICAN WAY and THAT is the very basics of life we need to exist on this planet!!!

and thanks, Alleycat...I'm quite awake - bout don't pat yourself on the back because it's not by your doing. You say we are "this close." Well alley, I like to remind everyone of an old Get Smart comment whenever someone tries to say we're "this close." Maxwell Smart would always come back with his 5-word comment...

"Missed it by THAT much!" (referencing display of one inch space between thumb and index finger). Who knows...with Obama's speech tonight...maybe we will all miss it by "THAT" much.

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Also Alley...we don't live our lives as missing it by "That" much. Our virtual glass of lemonade fits our life perfectly. Part of the secret is keeping ahead of the game. You have mentioned time and time again, good calls on the stock market. That's because you've been able to keep ahead of the game. Well I may not follow the stocks like you, but I follow the trends and the news beyond CNBC or the Whitehouse or local/national news rags. I do my homework from a different perspective. You are aware there's an issue with grain and cotton shortages this year, right??? So what are you doing about that. Are you worried about the price of corn or wheat or cotton? Is your answer to stock up on corn products and wheat products and all the bvd's you'd ever need over the course of the next year? Well Alley...that's not where it will hit. We're talking about the cost of meat and flour...and anything else which carries any of the listed products. So...are you stocking up or are you changing your diet to compensate for the issues of expensive meat, grain products and clothing? Just how are you handling the rising costs we are facing? Are you complainin' and chokin' up the extra dinero to pay for what you once paid a lot less for or are you adjusting?

It's called planning and staying on top of things, Alley. Knowledge is good. What you do with the knowledge you have gained...it's up to you and it begins at home. As issues continue to rise...in the work force, with the unions, with the competition for jobs...you have to keep a keen eye on the trends. If you get caught up only in the negativities of what we are being dealt...you will get caught in the rut and that's what I'm witnessing by what I term as your "Doom and Gloom" discussion. I'm not saying to sugarcoat everything...but to always display pessimism...it's never good.

I've got a half-full glass of lemonade. Care to share?

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


New ice cream from Ben & Jerry's...no joke, Schweddy Balls!

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey sport! You offer so much!

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cut corporate tax rates, cut medicare, continue to outsource our jobs overseas...

...durn obummer..gonna keep jobs over yonder now....mm hmm.where's ma dri...aww..now then..dam obummer..takin' ma medicare an' givin' ta corprra..zzzz

I'm not seeing the outrage on the left...yet.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Schweddy Balls??? And you say Sporty offers so much??? So nailingit...are you going to order up a double scoop? (s)

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


squisheyjammies is waiting for his own ice cream, "Flannel Foot Jam". It stinks a little and it's a little fuzzy on the tongue but it's all his.

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Vanilla ice cream, a hint of rum and chocolate fudge covered malt balls throughout. Schweddy Balls sound great to me! I'll take three scoops!

goldenoldie & sporty...you two should get together and party .. down! Much in common!

I wonder if Schweddy Balls was inspired by the..rise in the Tea Bagger movement.

I wonder if Sarah would share a pint with me. I wonder.....

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Much in Common???

you've GOT to be KIDDING!!! Maybe just for you nailingit...the scoops would come in Junior Size. (s x2)

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You are really expending a lot of thought with this LOL!

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Take a cold shower goldenoldie. I did not mean for this to get anyone worked up.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOLOLOL!!!

Cold shower??? For what??? Somebody's got their mind in the gutter. I figured if it contained malt balls...they're small, you know. did I offend someone tonight??? (s)

goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 8, 2011 at 8:33 p.m.

Frog size is more like it... riiiiiiibbbbit, riiiiiiiibbit

**;]**

ELISI — September 8, 2011 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit...I think it's the old teabaggers that inspired schweddy balls.

mxfun118 — September 8, 2011 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


schweddy balls actually came from a bit on SNL. I think it was an Alec Baldwin bit.

hawkeye — September 8, 2011 at 9:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Are Ben & Jerry Teabaggers? I have read that they are married. Sounds like they could be pioneering conservatives that have chosen to come out of the closet.

Imagine what they would call the shaved ice version of this. Depending on the toppings it could get a little strange.

nailingit — September 8, 2011 at 10:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now that's a low blow there, sporty (I say that as I laugh a sadistic laugh). If I were posting at 11:39 at night as well, my keyboarding skills would be a lot worse than they are now, too, lol.

Rember...huked on foniks werkt fer meeee!!!

goldenoldie — September 9, 2011 at 6:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


(looks like a refresher course in punctuation usage might be to my advantage this morning!!..;;-:::,,,""???!!!)

goldenoldie — September 9, 2011 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


psst....alleycat....if it makes any difference - I'm listening...keep on keeping on. You're on a roll with good food for thought this wonderful Friday morning...SERIOUSLY!

goldenoldie — September 9, 2011 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Kudos to the Greek Orthodox Nuns at St. Johns Monastery for working side by side with the firefighters to prevent destruction by the wild fire!!!

goldenoldie — September 9, 2011 at 6:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I like the yappie dog video better than the Dylan video. Its more spontaneous!
Missed the big speech last night...the Pres. already knows he cannot do anything substantial, since the Repubs first goal is to take him out, not create jobs. And the best way to do that is to try to help him fail at everything.

mangoboy — September 9, 2011 at 7 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Pendulum is a good analogy. A merry go round also comes to mind!
With puppets riding the horses, screeching out maniacal talking points repeatedly. We have a lot in this country to be thankful for, yet so many things are taken for granted. That does not bode well...time to pull the plug on the circus act.

mangoboy — September 9, 2011 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 9, 2011 at 7:25 a.m

Allen, honestly, we can all ask the same of Obama. I can't remember a speech he has done that he hasn't mentioned/promised jobs. So....where are they? 14 million would like to know.

ELISI — September 9, 2011 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**These Collective Garden Moratoriums**

Well, it's looking like I'll be pulling together another LTTE. I see it's been more than a month since my last...

The Chicken Little, knee jerk, ignorance of these actions is astounding! Section 403 of E2SSB 5073 (collective gardens) is really quite plainly written. It's obvious to me that section's intention is NOT the allowance of dispensaries, store fronts, whatever. How the heck the municipal officials read it otherwise is beyond me!

And how the heck do they interpret section 1102 (zoning for dispensaries) having any relationship with 403? Apples and softballs, man.

I sincerely doubt any of these people have read the bill (now law). I sincerely doubt any of these people have a clue what 45 plants look like. We aren't talking fields of cannabis here, folks.

Wake up and smell the flowers, Washougal, Camas, Vancouver... If you can find them. Sheesh.

Drift — September 9, 2011 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Lowering corporate tax rates from 35% to 25%, Re-defining medicare and possibly Social Security to pay for these tax cuts, nothing mentioned about cutting defense spending, continued policy to ship jobs overseas, 2/3 of the stimulus is tax cuts, no outline till next "week" as to how to pay for them.........

For once Bachman gets it right. Don't vote for it. My God, who is this guy anyway? A Democrat? Please! This is unreal. Of course the establishment Republicans love it. It's what they are all about.

Where is the outrage from the left? If they ain't schwedding now, they should be.

What the hell....perhaps it's time to re-invigorate my campaign. Yes. One suffer..all suffer.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen...be careful on the "what is good for the whole country". We need to see what programs, as well as what revenue proposals this guy comes up with. The ONLY people who live in his inner economic circle are wall street execs and lobbyists. You can better believe it will come out of the hide of the middle class. "what's best for our country" will be Obama's mantra for this.

Let's wait and see how this conservative republican prez in the white house wants to pay for this.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just watch. The republicans will add and subtract what they want, Obama will act concerned and gripe...but once again it is a "hostage situation". This time it's a jobs bill that will be taken "captive". And once again Obama will "regrettingly" sign what they want into law.

This guy lives so deep in the back pockets bankers and wall street, he farts silver dollars when he sits down. I can't believe this guy, and I can't believe the Democratic party will sign off on this.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE ON THE LEFT???

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I do have two cabinet positions open and saved for Sarah and Michele. It's important not to be too partisan...

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 9:28 a.m.

So, does that mean you will be keeping them in separate cabinets, or in the same one? I don't know how safe that would be, after some time together (say, 3 years) they might be able to share ideas.

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


As I watched and listened afterwards I didn't find a single "pundit" who actually thought this would lead to Job creation in the next year, not one. They all kind of went like well he had to say something about creating Jobs during his campaign speech, isn't that what many of the hapless wanted to hear.. There handing out FREE COOLAID at all unemployment offices today around the country along with signing up everyone as a registered democrat and ready to vote that way in the next election. A 450billion dollar jobs bill that will be added to the debt for at least the next 10 years to pay for it. I can't remember who said this last night but one of the pundits asked all the others, when was the last time a major bridge had been built in our country.. Most all said the one in Minnesota, He then asked why it could be built so fast, he had to answer that himself because they cut all the red tape out like environmental Impact study took only 3 months to complete as they worked away on the bridge...Look at our bridge, it's taken how many years to get where it is and we still haven't driven a single rivet or bolt yet.. Way too much government in our business life that keeps us from growing.revamp the tax code, I like the fair tax idea that everyone pays taxes.. We would probably be out of debt in less than 10 years, novel idea...

vanwadreamer — September 9, 2011 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye...sorry for not consulting on the logistical side. Both possess assets that have been utilized time and time again, for the pleasure of CEO's, Republican leaders, and anyone with a buck.

Now it's time to serve at the pleasure of the president.

Sometimes in one cabinet to share, others not to share, depending on the foreign dignitaries individual requests. They need to be fluid, in order to serve individual tastes with specificity, but not fundamentally change the way of United Nations protocol.

Yes hawkeye, I would like the two of them to warmly welcome dignitaries from...London, Capetown, Moscow, Beijing and beyond! Let them lay down, a welcome matt. We will make trade deals, that in the long run will be much more cost effective for the American public.

After all...America is broke! We have to make do and..stretch our savings. Our state dept. is a good place to start.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...and concerning the prevalent thought from Middle Eastern leaders, i.e. Gaddafi's photo album, who better for the Middle Eastern Dept. than Condi Rice. Pull her out of retirement, and let her give back to the people in which she and Bush took so much from. It would not begin to compensate..but it's a start.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...and Dick, Don and Bush will be tried for war crimes, as an example to the world that America will not tolerate the promotion and acts of torture. We have elected leaders that have shamed us as a nation, causing international condemnation. We must once again become the beacon of light for the rest of the world.

And after four years Sarah and Mick can oversee my island operations.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I see a problem here..... First, you are going to have to send Sarah back to school to educate her WHERE these countries are. All she knows is that Russia is out her back door. I fear that if she doesn't know where they are, she might screw up and say something (dare I say) stupid. At least Mick knows where Canada is. How about we get Hillary to school them? She is surely smarter than the two of them together, just keep them away from Bill.

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 10:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- The duties that lie within the purview of their job description, will only require the ability to pour drinks, good personal hygiene and the ability to adapt to problematic situations. There will be a doctor/Phizer rep on staff to address possible health concerns. I would not allow them to leave New York citing security protocol.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 11:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


There's not too much difference between democrats and communists. They both want to destory the United States as it is now by turning it into a socialist country. So, we don't need to worry about enemies outside the U.S.A. We have plenty of them here already, led by a dictator wannabe president. We shouldn't be dealing with China, Russia, or any other communist country. Our politicians and corporations who are should be tried for treason and face the consequences.

cranky — September 9, 2011 at 12:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


paranoia: a psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution, with or without grandeur.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Does anyone even realize that treason is defined in the constitution and it specifically excludes any other definition?

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

frobert — September 9, 2011 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cranky....

As opposed to the Republican'ts & baggers that are doing their best to destroy the President and bankrupt the country just to prove they can do it?

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So the Columbian protects Madore? He attacks Mr Hansen in an article that really had nothing to do with him Then I think it was Greg Owens questions Madore directly to him, not behind his back like Madore did to Mr Hansen. Then the columbian takes down Mr owens Comment but leaves up Madores? I have lived my whole life in this town and am sick of this newspaper pipming they political agendas. There is a reason Oregonian gets read. They have always had better coverage on the real stories in our county. Your prep sports section has always sucked. Oregonian has better clark county sports coverage.. Please do us all a favor in this town and close your doors, turn off the lights and shut it down. U have polluted this town long enough with your Garbage. Report a truth? ok, but make sure you twist spin and milk it first. Disgusted.

vancouvernative1975 — September 9, 2011 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 9, 2011 at 2:31 p.m

Please walk us through how the National Socialists German Workers party is not that different than the GOP?

frobert — September 9, 2011 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vancouvernative1975- I've noticed the same thing. When Madore is questioned about his ethics, comments seem to disappear. I believe he and his ilk played a big part in pushing the FB measure, he didn't like being criticized, and kept roaring about it on line, and within a couple of weeks this paper came out with FB plans. After Jaime Herrera's town hall last year, and the comments that followed, that was it. His princess was being bruised and battered, and his raucous bellowing finally ceased when the change was made.

The times that I have read Mr. Owens comments when directed to Madore, about corporate tax breaks and incentives Digital has received....he is as quiet as a...CHURCH MOUSE.

I directed questions to him concerning his campaign against raising any sort of tax to improve our schools and medical care for the elderly...of course I got no response.

Modern day conservatives. They better hope their idea of hell doesn't exist.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


After her interview with Kasey Montoya from CBS KOIN**Strong** affiliate in Portland, author Lisa Grace was named to AOL's Top Ten Most Challenged Book List for 2010 as the alternate to The Twilight Series. The Angel Series which includes Angel in the Shadows*Emphasis* **Strong**Book 1, Angel in the Storm Book 2, and Angel in the Ice Book 3 to be released Nov.1st has been optioned to be made into a major motion picture. After an effects budget by Dreamworks backers decided it could be as successful as a frachise as big as The Twilight franchise. Filming is expected to start in the fall of 2012.
Author Lisa Grace is on the Best Sellers List on Amazon ebooks and also will release The 15th Star an adult history mystery as an ebook on Amazon as well on Nov.15th. Publishing houses are bidding for the paperback rights before the release of the movie which is based mostly on Book 2 Angel in the Storm.**Strong****Strong****Strong***Emphasis***Strong***Emphasis***Strong****Strong***Emphasis**Emphasis**Emphasis***Strong****Strong****Strong***Emphasis*

Todd — September 9, 2011 at 4:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Okay, I had to jump in here to clear up some misconceptions.

First, if a post was removed, it was because it violated the guidelines for one reason or another. Simple as that. There was no political agenda. None whatsoever. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. You can't.

To wit: Those comments that Mr. Owens directs at Mr. Madore, do you see those disappear? No. If I was really pushing a particular agenda, you'd think I would remove those in a heartbeat.

And the move to Facebook had nothing to do with David Madore. That couldn't be further from the truth. He was an active commenter in the months leading up to the switch and remains an active commenter. He even used his real name when he posted with his Columbian.com account. We talked once -- and that was about a tech issue he was having with the comments.

Matt Wastradowski — September 9, 2011 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit, just a note here;

I just dropped a line to the Dick Hannah Dealerships and told them that I would NOT be bringing ANY of my vehicles to ANY Hannah Dealerships ever again because of the upcoming "meet & Greet".

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt- That would be a conversation (if it took place) that would happen above your pay grade.

Yes, he was active in the old forum, for a brief time. Why are you defending Madore? I suppose you are going to give such attention to a dozen or so other FB commenters you feel are insulted or being disparaged in some way. Matt, you don't stick your head in here for weeks, and when you do...........you just reenforced a bias you have been accused of.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt Wastradowski (Columbian Staff) — September 9, 2011 at 4:30 p.m

Dude, Every time I look at your pic, I think Matt Damon. Except he cut off all of his hair now, your move.

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm not defending Madore, just pointing out that some inaccuracies about him have been posted here today.

And I'm not sure what said bias is. Nor am I sure what's possible to counteract that bias.

And hawkeye, I know, I need a new photo. I'm super forgetful about that. I'll get there!

Matt Wastradowski — September 9, 2011 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat @ 3:14 today -

Sir, a classic. I haven't read anything as entertaining in weeks.

Matt - Perhaps you can approach Lou about a weekly column from Alleycat - call it something like Midnight Caterwauling. And here's the kicker - YOU allow comments from both facebook and here.

roger — September 9, 2011 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, did I miss something today or are you referring to 3:14 yesterday with his rants to mxfun118?

goldenoldie — September 9, 2011 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Are the longshoremen setting the stage for a coming working class backlash? This is no different than Haymarket in the 1880s or the Teamsters during the Depression - union members fighting to protect their jobs - management trying to turn them over to a more compliant workforce. Politicians behind the scenes with hands out, and sending out the Pinkertons to subdue the angry mobs at the direction of the factory owner.

All our politicians are talking about making jobs. Meanwhile, people continue to lose them at record rates. How many banks will follow BofA's lead and start terminating people by the thousands? What about the tens of thousands of states and federal employees that will lose their jobs in the upcoming downsizing efforts? The pols TALK about trying to lower unemployment from the current 10%, but their ACTIONS are geared to raising it much higher. How long before the next "outburst" like we had in Longview the other day?

And another lesson from the Port there. We have been led to believe projects like the CRC will generate jobs for people who live here? Right - as long as the company holding the contract feels like playing along. But when they can import cheap labor from elsewhere.... Go back and read the economic impact statements closely; you'll see they often refer to the influx of new people spending money locally. That's the new workforce - the current unemployed workforce here will fight over the new minimum wage jobs being generated to take that new group's money.

This will get much uglier before we're done with "fixing" our economy.

roger — September 9, 2011 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie -

You're correct - it was yesterday. Thanks.

Those rants were most entertaining - and you have to admit you enjoyed crafting your response to him much more than the standard comment - hmmm???

roger — September 9, 2011 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 4:33...That's pretty cool hawkeye. I purchased a new car from them in 09' and still have life on the warranty or I would do the same. What I will commit to doing is bitching them out on the phone tomorrow, and vow to them no future purchases. When I go there I'll make it a point to speak with someone. I appreciate your spunk and rousing me a bit. A voice to be heard is a voice to be heard. Dick..are you reading this Dick?...Dick?...Dick!

matt @ 5:44..had to bip out for a few or would have addressed you sooner. Said bias is that you take time to address Madore concerns, and not others that have been railed against.

Don't mean to split hairs, I was just presenting a timeline. And that timeline was oh so clear and was commented on much at the time.

Peace.

When are you guys going to quit giving DM so much print time anyway. ;))

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit and hawkeye: My sweet little Jetta TDI wagon was a Dick Hannah purchase in 2005. I get the thing serviced there like clockwork and expect it to run it 'til it putters out. I rather doubt Mr. Hannah will miss the likes of you and I if we stop doing business there, but, it is a good thought.

You know, I would not mind the fundraiser if JHB had had the decency to meet with us little folk, too. In the context of her snubbing us, however, it is grossly obscene.

manthou — September 9, 2011 at 9:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I thought the same manthou. Not much difference being made, but it will be nice to bitch about it and release a few endorphins! If a few hundred locals reacted this way.....it would give the C something to report on besides David Madore abuse. :))

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit and manthou, it's like the letter I wrote to Jamie. Had she taken the time and had a few town halls and allowed "us little people" to voice our opinions about the mess in DC, this wouldn't seem so bad. No coffee meetings, no telephone town halls, real face to face town halls. What's the matter, CHICKEN???

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 10:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Totally agree with the fundraiser. It's a matter of public time and public trust. To not engage with the local "commoners", and only with the $2500.00 a plate crowd, in your home town, is not only wrong...but tacky as well.

I read my Dick post and annoyed myself. I will be polite, and respectful as well. People work for others hey don't agree with all the time. I've had nothing but top notch product and service from them. I would like to E-mail the Dickster personally. I will try and see if I can make that happen.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 10:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- If I can get a good e-mail or other address for the Dickster I'll pass it on. I wonder what other business owners will show up at Jaime's $$$ fest. Maybe the C can have a reporter on scene?

I wonder if our favorite conservative business leader will be there.

nailingit — September 9, 2011 at 10:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Why not, it's a write-off

hawkeye — September 9, 2011 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen: Wow! I had not heard about that Wisconsin state worker firing. Your YouTube link of the 1946 Despotism video is broken.......:(

manthou — September 10, 2011 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Found it!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAqk2b...

Fascinating. I cannot imagine being able to show school kids a video today that displays a silhouette of a hanging man, but this video is very simple and effective.

It should be able to be well-understood by mostly everyone who watches it. :) Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

manthou — September 10, 2011 at 7:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The decline to despotism and/or facism began 25 years ago. We willing allowed government agents to arrest and punish drunk drivers without due process because it would be the other guy, not me, that got the shaft. Next came drug dealers. Go ahead, punish them and seize any items that appear to be fruits of illegal income. Again, it won't be me. Then came 9/11. Go after that other guy in the name of national security, it won't be me.

With the proven income distribution disparity, the tax disparity, the respect disparity, heck it's all there.

Recently, I saw the same sort of thing about the beginning of facism. Most, if not all warning indicators are present in the US. We're pretty much past the point of turning it around with our silly little meaningless votes. The power of the ballot box has been purchased by corporations, PAC's.....you get the idea.

Take it to the streets? Good luck with that. Did you know 200 police departments have purchased a vehicle called a Bearcat? It's basically an armored vehicle with a machine gun type weapon able to haul 12 agents. Wonder who that weapon is intended for? The government's primary function is to preserve itself with it's armies, FBI, CIA, marshalls, national guards, sheriff's depts, local police, state troopers,.....they seem ready.

The longshoremen, not known as a union to take things sitting down, probably understand better than a lot of us the reality of the situation.

mrd — September 10, 2011 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 8:14 a.m.

I think a lot of those to be let go came from Countrywide Financial that the bank bought back before the crash and was one of the biggest companies involved in the crash and probably caused a large part of it. In my opinion, if they are the same people, they deserve to go especially if they were "management". Actually, that's where they should start, the ones that caused the whole thing by giving loans to people that had no business getting them.

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 8:42 a.m.

The people did fine with the loans until the ARMs kicked in. The problem was a failed business model, putting short term profits ahead of long term profitability.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat — September 10, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.

Companies controlled by Buffet received more than 200 billion in bailout money, and people complain about the Koch brothers.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen,
What Buffett said was misleading as his money comes not from earned income but from investments, taxed totally different and misleading to AVG JOE.. I do agree however that we need to revise tax code so all pay fare share... From TOP to Bottom..Cut out loopholes
On another note I'm still waiting for anwser from Madore about his tax breaks.. Whats not good for the goose is good though for the gander... I like the way he chimmed in right away after president gave his speech for more construction on infrastructure...

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2011 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.

Buffet only draws a salary of $100,000 and has the company pay all of his expenses, so any tax on the rich he supports would not apply to him.

The Koch brothers have built at least 4 hospitals, payed for the recent remodel of the Met, given 20 million to the ACLU to fight the patriot act and have strongly opposed ethanol tax credits when they are major investors in ethanol. If the government on the other hand, had taken that money, none of the good they did with it would of happened.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 10:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


We need a large infusion of money. Money to beef up the states and the fed. Investment in education, infrastructure and so on.

A one time tax from those that profit the most from middle class usage. i.e. Big Oil, Auto Industry, Healthcare...the industries are many, and tax could be according to profits/bonus's/diversified monies from overseas, etc. that have been made. i.e. 2007 - 2010 wallstreet gave themselves record setting 100's of Billions of dollars in Bonu's alone, in one of the worst economic times in history...without cutting into the profit margin. The amount paid would scale in many factors, as well as transparency and definable corruption.

Tax breaks and incentives would allow these same corporations to, over a period time...say three years, to bring their profit margin to where it was and beyond. Stop the wars and keep giving some amout of foriegn government payouts, at least our boys and girls won't be losing arms, legs and life in the field at the rate they are now. We'll always have conflicts, but we have made our own bed in many circumstances. Undo it. Today.

When in the future, when we start or participate in wars that are approved or not approved by Congress, a heavy, undesirable tax must be levied on every American. Everyone needs to taste at least one of the consequences of war up close and personal. Maybe we'll think twice before causing so much unneeded death and destruction as we have in Iraq and other campaigns.

3 Trillion dollars should do it. But as this initiative moves forward, I suspect it could go to 4......4 and a half Trill. ;))

nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 10:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen: I used to minimize any talk of a US police state and/or revolution, but I am starting to think, "What if?"

I also used to dismiss those survivalists who talked about preparing for the worse and ever-so-gradually, I started to think, "Why not?"

A good friend of ours lives on a sprawling remote ranch in Eastern WA. When I got my diesel car 6 years ago, he told me: "Keep that thing full of biofuel and carry some full cans with you. Don't let it get low. When the proverbial poop hits the US fan, pack up the old man and the pooch and drive straight to our place."

Imagine a plain talking cowboy lawyer with as many gray matter furrows as he has wrinkles on his face: a deeply conservative man who was an anomaly because he provided defense to the indigent. We always got along, in spite of his politics, because he is compassionate and insightful and has an uncanny ability to prepare and predict.

I keep that tank full.

manthou — September 10, 2011 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 12:22 p.m.

I have a problem with the misinformation that is being perpetuated by the media. The media would have you believe that they are the major controlling factor in politics, when in fact they are the 86th largest political donor behind mostly liberal donors. Many liberal groups are advocating a boycott to eliminate a relatively small amount of conservative contributions at the expense of 50k+ union wage jobs.

I strongly support some of the issues that the Koch brothers support, such as ending the wars, ending the war on drugs, ending the patriot act and getting the government out of the marriage business.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Fro, if you are REALLY having trouble with the media, take a look in your own (FOX) backyard first. Not a (FOX) news company like they advertise, more of a (FOX) misinformation company.

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 12:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 12:58 p.m.

Just because I don't believe the liberal propaganda, you assume I watch the conservative propaganda? You are very narrow minded.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


getting the government out of the marriage business.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 12:47 p.m

So does that mean they should get out of the divorce business as well? When your wife leaves you, who is going to decide who gets your stuff, some preacher?

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just because I don't believe the liberal propaganda, you assume I watch the conservative propaganda? You are very narrow minded.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 1:04 p.m.

Nope, I've been reading your posts for quite some time now, it's an educated guess.

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:09 p.m

"When your wife leaves you, who is going to decide who gets your stuff, some preacher?"

If you really had been reading my posts, you would know that I am not christian. Dissolution of a contract should be handled by an arbitrator, if it can not be amicably resolved then the courts are an option.

"it's an educated guess."

Not very well educated, I am a libertarian and disagree with fox news about the same amount that I disagree with liberal media.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, so who marries you, in your world?

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:23 p.m.

"OK, so who marries you, in your world?"

It shouldn't matter, nor should it matter to whom or to how many.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yup, that's going to work. Where did you say you live, Utah?

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.

So the law should be there to enforce christian morals on consenting adults? Are you sure you don't watch fox news? You sound like you would fit right in.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- You want less government but support the Koch Bros. who have invested in supporting those that wish to outlaw abortion, and treat gays as less than American citizens. i.e. Mike Pence, Michele Bachman. Why champion those that seek to destroy what you believe in? I understand they spend millions trying to undo the patriot act, cut defense spending, legalize drugs and gay marriage. All worthwhile ventures imo. It makes me wonder why they support candidates that counter their libertarian philosophy, other than getting targeted support for their personal business enterprises. The no corporate tax crowd. Don't you think they sell out with their $$$ support?

nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen @11:09a.m.,

Don't hold your breath waiting for the generals to do anything other than support the regime that's in power. Who do you think selects them? The generals that spoke out against - e.g., Schwarzkopf and Shinseki - were quickly sent packing.

roger — September 10, 2011 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 3:19 p.m

Pointing out the lies and misstatements it the propaganda does not mean that I support everything they do. Can you think of anything they do that is worth putting their 50,000 employees out of work?

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- Just asking for your opinion. Chill dude. I agree with several of their causes. Just wonder what reasoning you think they have for the outward double standard, that's all.

nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 4:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.

Tactically, it makes the most sense, the government can't oppress if they don't have the money. Both of the current parties advocate oppressing the average citizen.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat — September 10, 2011 at 4:08 p.m.

I hate to be the one to tell you this but Perry is a democrat.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat,

General Petraeus is moving to take over CIA after over 35 years in uniform. I strongly suspect that during his tour with CIA they'll become much more aggressive in hunting down Al Qaeda and whatever other groups that decide to wage war against us. And after the widespread approval we gave the Seal team that took out Bin Laden, I doubt there will be much in the way of complaints about a few assassinations as long as the job gets done.

Gen Petraeus has, in a way, been most fortunate with the timing of his assignments. Gen Shinseki was invited to retire when he told Rummy and Cheney there was no way we could control Iraq with the number of troops they wanted there. A couple of years later, when Gen Shinseki was proven right, Gen Petraeus was given all the men soldiers he wanted - the Surge. Gen McChrystal laid the groundwork for his success in Afghanistan. And once again, this involved raising the troop levels to where the job could get done.

This isn't meant to say Gen Petraeus is just lucky - he punched his ticket serving as a leader in some of our best Army units, to include the 82nd and the 101st. You don't get ahead in those units by kissing butt.

roger — September 10, 2011 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Run a search of job openings, and you'll see they're mostly in the technical and medical fields. The jobs that don't require years of advanced training are either not there, or are part time work.

Now, consider that when we start shutting down the combat theaters, and closing bases in other overseas countries, we are going to have to reduce the size of our military. These people, many who have spent years putting their lives on the line, will come home to what - jobs flipping burgers or clerking at Home Depot?

America rose to greatness after WWII in large part because our troops returned and were able to get decent jobs where they would be treated respectfully by their employers and earned enough to own a home and send their kids to college. Unfortunately, that climate no longer exists - the current powers heap praise on our troops while they're serving, and then tell them to get lost once they take their uniforms off.

I'd say something needs to get fixed soon.

roger — September 10, 2011 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'll tell you how to fix it!

Get alleycat to invent something that we can sell to the world, that we can only build here and that takes a lot of people to make and that costs a lot of money to buy but little to make.

simple

alleycat, get on it!

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye,

Sounds to me like maybe you want alleycat to start a pot growing coop ala the Tyson Foods model?

roger — September 10, 2011 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is it time for Matt to show up?

roger — September 10, 2011 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk @ 5:08...I've had this idea about funny urinal inserts for quite awhile. Endless possibilities.

nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"I'd say something needs to get fixed soon."

The best thing to do with our returning military is redeploy them to the Mexican Border. This will give them a slower reintegration into home life, keep their sense of being useful intact, and keep them away from the civilians here who do not understand the "battle fatigue" many of them will be suffering from for years. Then slowly reduce the size of the military and retrain these guys into civilian jobs.

mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy,

I spent a few years in Panama in the early 80s hanging out with a crowd of Vietnam vets that wore berets. They unwound - sort of. Many never returned to the US - still living overseas because they didn't like what this country had become. Most are probably dead by now.

So what are they supposed to do on the border? Sit around out in the middle of nowhere doing what? Mainstream America may not like the couple of outcomes I can visualize.

I agree with your overall thought process - unfortunately, the "what have you done for ME today" mentality won't allow for this long-term, expensive reintegration.

roger — September 10, 2011 at 5:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat,

Care to tie the rise in membership of outlaw biker groups to our troops returning from these wars? For example, wasn't the founder of the Bandidos a Marine Vietnam vet?

roger — September 10, 2011 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From the Mainstream side Northwest page --

EVERETT, Wash. (AP) -- An Everett man sentenced to more than seven years in prison for a deadly 2010 robbery has been allowed two weeks free to remove his gang tattoos. The Everett Herald reports that a judge on Thursday allowed 32-year-old Derek Boyd to remain free while he undergoes laser treatment to remove gang tattoos. Boyd says he doesn't want to go to prison with gang-affiliated marks on his skin.

Looks like the AP crew has the same problem we accuse our Columbian crew of. Like, who is paying for this tattoo removal??? The taxpayer??? Didn't anyone think this little tidbit of info might be important?

roger — September 10, 2011 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry cat, I got one of those shock collars for the dog and tried it on one day and haven't been able to get it off since, turns out you can really get addicted to the shocks, got it hooked up to a car battery now, it lasts longer.

Roger, I think he needs to go in as-is. It's the life he picked, a little too late for remorse, I would think.

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 5:28 p.m

I like the idea but who are you going to get to install them?

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mexico is a big problem in many ways-- it is a conduit for every kind of criminal activity imaginable-drugs, guns, human trafficking, criminal gangs, illegal immigration, corruption, and an economy that does not recognize human rights.

I'd rather have our boys closer to home then in South Korea, for example. And many of our military can reintegrate without a long wait. We sure don't need walking time bombs here, ready to go off at even a car backfire or following them too closely.

mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 6:30 p.m.

End the war on drugs and we solve most of those problems.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 6:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- What's Larry Craig been up to lately? I bet he'd work cheap.

nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy- To some degree you could substitute America for Mexico in your opening paragraph.

nailingit — September 10, 2011 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Legalization would be the solution but its not happening soon enough- The drug cartels establish the conduits, then they send all the other stuff through that pipeline using all their connections and safe houses.

America is obviously the other half of the problem, it takes two to tango. Just a huge appetite for every vice under the sun. I bet "Patton" could shut down that border in 10 days!

mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 7:16 p.m.

Drugs are not illegal under federal law, possessing using or distributing scheduled drugs is, they are however scheduled under executive authority. All it takes is one libertarian president to end the war on drugs.

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson 2012

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Right but even if America comes to its senses and figures out the war on drugs is a failure, which is not likely, the cartels would easily bump off Ron Paul and they have the money and connections to do so.
The only third party that has a chance is one that can draw mainstream support from both sides. "Radical" change, like Ron Paul advocates, will only happen when things get much worse. And people will want someone with more gusto, someone with military experience who they feel can handle the massive breakdown of law and order.

mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***ARRRRRRRGGGGGGG*** Why do I put myself through this????

http://www.columbian.com/news/presstalk/lou-brancaccio/

What a friggin idiot!

hawkeye — September 10, 2011 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 8:18 p.m.

An animal is not a consenting adult, therefore not included in my earlier post. One man one woman may be what your faith calls for, but should law enforce your Christian values on people of other faiths?

The drug addiction rate has remained fairly stable for the last 100 years, nothing is gained by having any of them illegal, however state law would still apply.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy — September 10, 2011 at 8:15 p.m.

Ending wars and eliminating the patriot act, is what Obama campaigned and reneged on, why is it now too radical of an idea?

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 9:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 8:59 p.m.

I never limited my statements on polygamy to multiple wives, it could be a line marriage or a group marriage. I also never indicated a desire to have more than one wife, only condemned the governments involvement in marriage.

I also never meant to imply you were christian only that your view on marriage was based in christian values. Last I knew Islam, Wicce or Muslim does not exclude polygamy.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


sorry Wiccan.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Alleycat,

Once again, your comments appear to be nothing more than wild and quite likely delusional accusations of the paranoid Left.

I refer you specifically to your most recent laughable, straw man propaganda of September 10, 2011 at 3:29 p.m. by which you give credence to one Cliff Hazen. And just who is Cliff Hazen?

Perhaps you are unaware of Mr. Hazen’s many previous head scratching comments. It is difficult to know exactly what this character actually thinks, other than that he seems to hold contempt for anyone whose name isn’t Cliff. Rather much like yourself, his message seems to be incoherent.

Here is a phone message, one Cliff Hazen left former representative Baird :[Scroll down to Threatening Calls Follow Baird Cancellation][1]

Aside from that Catnip, Hazen’s comments regarding Hedrick seem to be a bit outdated considering Hedrick’s wife said her previous allegations were her own fabrication.

To wit:

> A Clark County jury acquitted a one-time 3rd Congressional District candidate of allegations that he struck his wife in the head during an October argument at their Camas home.
>
> After deliberating for a half hour, the panel of four men and two women rendered their verdict at 5:30 p.m., acquitting David W. Hedrick, 31, of fourth-degree assault domestic violence.
>
> The verdict apparently wasn’t swayed by partisanship; none of the jurors said they knew of Hedrick. The Camas man first gained attention in 2009 by confronting U.S. Rep. Brian Baird at a town hall meeting in a video that went viral on the Web.

[http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/fe...][2]

Gee. That’s been several months ago. Just what is your point in your reference to Hazen and Hedrick?

Considering C. Hazen’s comments, one might wonder just who the far right evangelicals are.

While it is understandable, if not infuriating to us all, that others do not see things our way, and even duke it out regarding the proper role of government, I find the Charlie Mansonesque approach to government to be particularly troublesome.

[1]: http://nwdigest.com/tag/brian-baird/
[2]: http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/fe...

kn_dalai — September 10, 2011 at 10:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I should have said Islam, Wiccan or Buddhism have no prohibition concerning polygamy.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 10:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh Gee Charlie, I almost forgot.

Just what do you mean by this anyway? I mean that thing about representative democracy.

> But why? Because the whole thing is a con job. Representative Democracy does not work for the people. It is designed as a tool of disguise and control by the powers that be, that is the economic powers...

alleycat — September 9, 2011 at 7:13 a.m.

> I rest my case!

alleycat — September 9, 2011 at 7:13 a.m.

Me too bud.

kn_dalai — September 10, 2011 at 10:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 10:31 p.m.

I have not posted any definition of polygamy before.

A group marriage would be a group of husbands and wives living in one home and communally raising children, Similar to the "Hippie" communes of the 60s.

A line marriage involves a fixed number of husbands and wives, as each person dies they are replaced with a new young spouse, thus providing a truly permanent family unit.

I don't know how old you are but both these concepts have been around for a very long time.

frobert — September 10, 2011 at 10:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It was a little after 6:00 am when I was urging my youngest to get up and out of bed for school that mild sunny morning in September of 2001. It was unusual for her to not want to rise from her slumber...but for some reason, I really didn't mind. I could always take her to school if she missed the bus. I went to pour another cup of coffee and was just about ready to turn on the television for the morning news.

Then it happened...

The phone rang. My mother....her voice....something was wrong. Something was *terribly* wrong. She was crying...All she said was "Turn on the TV."

When I did...all I could do was cry uncontrollably. That was enough to get my daughter to jump out of bed to see what was the matter. We so wanted to call my husband at work, but at the time we didn't have a cell phone and he was en route to his job site. Then it happened again while I watched the news. Later, the Pentagon and Pennsylvania. I feared to go outside. I thought...what was next???

I know it happened clear across the country...far from us, but the images sunk deep into my mind, knowing my niece and her husband were supposed to be at work that morning in the very same complex which was under siege. My thoughts ran rampant... I called my in laws...no word from their daughter. I guess the phones were jammed or something.

That afternoon, we finally got word that she and her husband were allowed a few days off for remodel work they were doing at home. I thanked God and prayed for the people of New York, the folks at the Pentagon and for the brave ones in flight 93.

The impact was felt worldwide. Relatives from Australia called to see if we were okay...if everyone was okay. The world was in chaos.

Physically, yes our family was okay...but emotionally - that was a different story. As the day continued, the skies grew eerily quiet. No jet trails, no planes on their final descent, no small planes...nothing. The roads were just as silent once everyone got back home. The deafening silence was abnormal...it brought reality to the whole situation... it was a painful quiet.

When we finally ventured out to the stores...our eyes roamed. Anger filled our hearts. People were in shock. Everyone was suspicious and keeping their eyes peeled for "terrorists...""" the chaos continued.

(my memory of September 11, 2001 and the days immediately afterward.)

Ten years later, the leader of the terrorist group and all but a small handful of his henchmen are no longer with us but the threat continues...and we are a resilient group. We are strong. Yes, we may have been brought to our knees but the strong shall prevail. We are standing once again, but our guard is not down.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 5:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Norm Seubert · (FB Comment in article "Decade since 9/11 made new America)

“What I want is for people to remember what happened,” Lim said.

And maybe more important, what have we learned? Possibly the most significant historic event since Pearl Harbor, but with some differences. For the first time, we know what it is like to be hated absolutely and without reservation. We also realize our citizens are fair game and our domestic intelligence is dysfunctional. We have been largely successful in our war on terrorism, if body counts are any indication. We chased the enemy to the gates of hell, but... the waters came crashing down, with thousands of soldiers gone, many more wounded for life, our treasury depleted, our world standing as leader of the free world questioned, and our nation paranoid of terrorists around every corner. We are still hurting, still damaged. How can we move on and restore the soul of our nation? By uniting people throughout our country and the world in the cause of humanity, not ideology, religion, economic wealth, or politics. We are all the same underneath. Let's remain vigilant but also strive toward Peace through strength, unity, and world justice.

Well Said, Norm.

Thank you!

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 5:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**More Moratorium Ranting**

I see the current city moratorium of cannabis collective gardens is on tomorrow night's meeting agenda.

http://www.cityofvancouver.us/councilmeetings.asp?menuid=10462&submenuID;=10474&itemID;=85640

I saw no mention of this in the C. I picked it up from another source.

The agenda claims authority under E2SSB 5073 and it appears they are referencing Chapter 181. Aint no Chapter 181, mang.

Other RCWs are mentioned, such as 36.70a.390. This speaks to a city's right to pass moratoriums. The moratorium cannot be extended, however, without a work plan in place. Oh, but there could be a fly in that ointment. The last paragraph states that agriculture is exempt. Is 45 plants in someone's basement "agriculture"? Heh.

And then we have a typo. There is no 35.63.200. Ah, but there is a 35a.63.200. This has to do with a management plan in the Gorge!

Some peoples' kids... I tell ya. Sheesh.

Nope, I won't be there. I leave this shack very seldom, and, I'm a bit of a wild looking son-of-a-gun. I'm afraid my outlandish countenance would be detrimental to my cause.

Drift — September 11, 2011 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Alley and everyone else-
How about the rest of the day lay off the negativity and snarkyisms and if you want to say something positive great but if not lets have this day of rememberence for those people who lost there lives and loved ones on 9/11/01.

Thanks.

Have a great day

vanwadreamer — September 11, 2011 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


On that September day ten years ago, I had just sent my youngest to the bus stop when the phone rang. It was my husband, he told me to turn the TV on, that we had just been attacked. I can't repeat his words on here.

As I watched the repeat of the towers falling, fear washed through me. I prayed "Sweet Jesus protect all of us. Protect our military and our country" Wondered where will they strike next? Who would do this to America? What had we done to deserves this?

As I continued to watch the news, the Pentagon was hit, then another aircraft went down. I knew the whole country would be on high alert and every fighter across our land would be scrambled, military on the ready. I called the school and picked my youngest up from school. My oldest packed a few things and her and the grandchild came to stay.

As a family we sat, watched the news over and over that day.
Sat in silence as we ate. We gathered at church that night and prayed for those that were lost, the responders, military, our President and government, families.
Days that followed I noticed the quiet around town as if people had forgotten how to speak. Then it was like a sleeping giant woke up. Flags appeared everywhere. Horns blown, thumbs up by people, the whole country woke up from the shock. I never in my life time had ever witnessed a coming together of the people of this nation like I witnessed then. I was told later by my father-in-law that it was the same after Pearl Harbor. Only thing, after Pearl Harbor that camaraderie lingered well into the 60's.

Today I will spend the day remembering my Dad, a WW11 and Korean Vet who passed away at the age of 52, 33 years ago. My Father-in-law who was also a WW11 and Korean Vet just passed away and laid to rest last week. Each and everyone who lost their lives on Sept 11, 01 and every single one of our military who serve and have served us.


ELISI — September 11, 2011 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It is my opinion that every day we lament just places another feather in "their" cap.

I'm not saying I have forgotten those poor souls that died that day. No, not at all. I'm saying I'd much rather poor a small dram of good liquor upon the graves than I would my tears.

Because, see, I won't have my enemies watch me cry. That would indicate I'm beaten. I'm done. They've damaged me and so therefore can do with me as they will.

Nope. Aint gonna happen. Not me. I. Am. Not. Defeated. I'll hold my head high today, and not one single tear will touch my cheek.

(former carrier sailor, Cap'n Drift)

Drift — September 11, 2011 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Elsi,
Very nicely written..I too remember my Dad many times as he spent 30 yrs of his life in the millitary and a couple trips to vietnam. We have a son somewhere in Afganistan right now..Special Forces...I think more and more of him everyday. I always wanted to fly a flag and have now everyday for about a year. It makes us feel great to be americans and keep our thoughts on all our troops everywhere..

vanwadreamer — September 11, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift @ 9:32...right on.

nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 11, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.

I'm with you, brother.

hawkeye — September 11, 2011 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift, I can see where you're coming from in your post which was very well written, but today...we don't shed a tear. Today is a day of remembrance...a day of compassion a day of reminding how important it is to stand up for your nation and stand up for freedom, to fight those who concern themselves with trying to instill fear and chaos in our world. What Norm Seubert wrote this morning is truly the voice of reason and the importance of realizing NOW is the time which should be our turning point towards a better world.

Also...because some have shed tears and still will, that doesn't make a person vulnerable and it certainly doesn't make a nation vulnerable. What makes a nation vulnerable is to take everything for granted. From what occurred ten years ago today, I believe it has opened the eyes of those of us who witnessed that horrific day and I honestly believe that nobody should take anything for granted any more.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting to note on it's completion in 1931, it took only 18 months to build the Empire State building, at a cost of 24 million. The Freedom Tower might be finished within a decade, and at a cost of more than 2 Billion dollars...realizing there are many variables involved, but aren't we supposed to get better with time?

I didn't know this before but...(hey, could be a new daily column), I didn't know this before but...

In 1945, a B-25 Bomber crashed full on into the 79th floor of the Empire State building. Pilot got lost in the fog and slammed into it...killing 14 people. The Empire State building opened up for business two days later.

What a difference a day makes.

nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 11:12 a.m

That was back when they built buildings out of steel and rivets. Not concrete and re-bar. Also, the construction methods were a lot different, today there is more red tape and safety guidelines.

If the government wants to get the economy going again, cut the red tape it takes to build something. I know they can do it without sacrificing safety and environmental concerns.

hawkeye — September 11, 2011 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Also, on the "I didn't know this before" column, I'll bet they could get Lou to write it, I'm sure he could fill a book.

hawkeye — September 11, 2011 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk @ 12:05- Amen hawkeye, cut the red tape. We need those that have benefitted so much from our country, to be visionaries for the future. An ex GM VP and a politician made this happen. Back when shipping jobs over seas wasn't a priority. We really need to re-think how we deal with a global economy, and have STRONG incentives to produce/manufacture from our end of the stick. imho. @ 12:09 LOL!!! Now that is funny!

nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Actually alleycat I can silence you by hitting my ignore button and THAT is what I shall do.

Today is NOT about you nor your rants about religion, Christians, and businesses. You really do have a problem and in need of professional help in over coming it.

Today is about remembering, celebrating those lives that were lost on 9/11 and all those in the military that are no longer with their families and us.

You remind me of a spoil child that if they don't get the attention, toy, food they want, they go into a tirade until they do. I for one am tired of your daily tirades on here.
Today was my breaking point. No more alleycat will I read your garbage, no more will I sit in silence and let it pass.
It's time someone stands up to you and tells you, that you have gone too far.
If the truth were known, you have no idea what it means to be a Christian, to go to church and have fellowship, no idea the inner workings of the government and what it actually takes to pass even a simple law.
If you feel this country, our government, Christians, churches etc is so bad, then I suggest you leave this country find one you like better. Let me know when you do leave, I'll be first in line to wave bye bye.

ELISI — September 11, 2011 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...after reading goldenoldies instructions as to how we should feel and act this day, and ELISI's rant...I'll echo the intent behind vanwadreamer's post @ 9:09. (first time for everything! ;))

Blanch a bean, plant a tomato, bake a cake, take a ride, get laid, have a drink or whatever...

...just let this day in America pass in peace.

nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


alleycat — September 11, 2011 at 1:32 p.m

Not sure how you think anymore but you are as close to being "Christian" as Larimer is.

hawkeye — September 11, 2011 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So, ya think the C will hire someone to take the weekend shift?

I think I'm'a gonna go unplug the soaker from the laurels. The Ol' Woman wants to wash her car.

I've also got a blog post brewing in my head. All of this "church talk" has given my muse a kick. If I am a Rastafarian, then keeping the sacrament from my church...?
(see moratorium and zoning)

Hey, I'm just having some fun. I like having fun. Maybe I'll spray myself with the hose. Oh, maybe I'll spray...

Heh.

Drift — September 11, 2011 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail--
Blanch a bean, plant a tomato, bake a cake, take a ride, get laid, have a drink or whatever...

...just let this day in America pass in peace.

I don't know which I won't do but I sure I sure hope I "knock off" a couple on that list..
Ditto on your last line, let it pass in peace..

Alley- I'm not turning you off... You do provide a different view.. Not sure it's one shared by the majority of Americans, but I'm sure a few.. It's like crying wolf all the time..

My point was to just refrain from your ranting for a day.. Can you or do you know something positive?

vanwadreamer — September 11, 2011 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""after reading goldenoldies instructions as to how we should feel and act this day,.."""

Nailingit, you silly goose! I wasn't instructing anybody on how they should feel. I was reflecting on my memory of the day and showing direct support for a statement made by another member of our community. Sorry if I came off sounding like I was instructing on how anybody should feel and act this day. It wasn't my intention.

BTW, I like the idea of the new daily column. I remember seeing a "Did You Know" column years ago. I think this would be an excellent addition to the C.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Or being a Christian like you not me, gives you the authority to show me the door?"""

????authority????

Freedom of expression goes both ways.

Alley, this is a day of remembrance...a day of reflecting on the events of 9/11/2001...AND I think I understand why you are sharing what you are sharing today. Opportunists have definitely played a big role in what we are experiencing today and if we don't unite as a nation to curb what we are witnessing, we will continue to be victimized as a nation. It just won't be in the manner of an attack such as what we saw ten years ago today.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


oops. That should read It just "might not" be in the manner of an attack such as what we saw ten years ago today.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 3:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Uh boy...conspiracy theory time. You did it now, Alleycat. You want to know what I think about the conspiracy theory? Probably/probably not but here goes.

First of all, you said it was an inside job. Well, I think a lot of people believe that...even I question the events. Inside job??? Possibly...but was it GWB or Cheney??? Oh...I think it is a lot higher source in our government than GWB or Cheney. Yep, you heard me right...a higher source in our government and we are seeing it come to the public eye with the newly formed group chaired by Senator Murray. I believe there's about 6 people who are actually in charge of our nation and our president and VP are the cheerleaders and only answer to that cabinet of 6.

So there you have it, alley...my take on the conspiracy theory of 9/11.

The fact of the matter is...the PEOPLE of the United States were victimized. Our attention has been diverted away from what has been going on many, many times since 9/11/2001...and we are still being victimized pure and simple, my fellow commenting citizen. You Alleycat...have had the BAWLZ to tell it like it is on many occasion. You haven't feared repercussions from saying what's on your mind. You are exercising your right to freedom of expression and the right to speak what you see as the truth. If we lose that ability to speak what is on our minds...we have lost our freedom. Suppression of the right to speak our minds should never be sequestered. Abuse of that right is what puts our freedom to express our feelings in jeopardy.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And Alley - regarding your comment at 3:52pm...it isn't just the lies. It's the deception as well.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh good glory...the dang heat must be playing on my mind. In my comment at 3:59 pm, I made a statement which was so very wrong. My apology to everyone. I had said "Suppression of the right to speak our minds should never be sequestered." I MEANT to say "The Right to Speak Our Minds Should Never Be Sequestered." I blame it on my own issues of rewriting sentences to emphasize my point of view. Sorry about that.

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The best opinion piece on 9/11 today comes from EJ Dionne:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-to-leave-911-behind/2011/09/07/gIQA0dpUAK_story.html

An excerpt: "In the flood of anniversary commentary, notice how often the term “the lost decade” has been invoked. We know now, as we should have known all along, that American strength always depends first on our strength at home — on a vibrant, innovative and sensibly regulated economy, on levelheaded fiscal policies, on the ability of our citizens to find useful work, on the justice of our social arrangements....While we worried that we would be destroyed by terrorists, we ignored the larger danger of weakening ourselves by forgetting what made us great."

Before y'all jump on me, I believe in honoring those who lost their lives that terrible day. This 10th anniversary is significant and warrants the attention it is receiving.

However, I think we fell in love and became addicted to "victimhood." You are what you think. And that attitude breeds self-fulfilling prophecies.

Just saying.

manthou — September 11, 2011 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nobody needs to jump on anybody, Manthou...today or any day. The title of an article in today's thread says it all...

"""Anniversary likely to stir up emotions"""

...and it certainly has.

...

I hear ya, alley!

goldenoldie — September 11, 2011 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't put the blame on Bush. What happens when the majority of voting Americans grow up with cowboy culture and veneration, the cowboy who doesn't look for a fight, but is tough, not afraid to act, and when called out, comes out with guns blazing.
That's what the American people wanted and Bush was completely in character. I put more blame on Hollywood and all the fairy tales they have peddled. We call ourselves a Christian Nation. Yet when it comes time to turn the other cheek, we just can't do it. Who can? What was Bush's prayer, before he launched Desert Storm? Forgive me, Lord, for all the bodies I am about to stack up. One definition of insanity must be holding two completely contradictory beliefs, and belief both. Bush, the insane, Christian cowboy, and an American Icon.

mangoboy — September 11, 2011 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What would have a genuine Christian Leader have done after 9/11?

Called a national day of prayer. A prayer day for the enemies who had attacked us. Then, review, reorganize, and strengthen all domestic security measures. Invite secular Muslim leaders from all countries to a conference on interfaith dialogue. Create a coalition of the peaceful.

What would a President Madore do? First, go to the cardboard paper stand up Bush idol in his office, and pray?

And would a Christian Democrat President reacted any differently then Bush?

mangoboy — September 11, 2011 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Frontier Flight 623, with 116 passengers on board, landed without incident in Detroit after the crew reported that two people were spending "an extraordinarily long time" in a bathroom, Frontier spokesman Peter Kowalchuck said."

And how did the pilots explain the fighter escort? Your attention please, this is the captain... Some people are in the bathroom too long. So we have called in a few fighter jets as a precaution.

mangoboy — September 11, 2011 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy — September 11, 2011 at 6:42 p.m.

What would the victim of rape do?

Perhaps convene a council of bodies, boards, panels and commissions of folks.

Discuss the unfairness of life.

Collectively offer an olive branch of reconciliation to the alleged assailant?

kn_dalai — September 11, 2011 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Personally I'm giving the president a pass on criticism today. We would be remiss in the basement not to acknowledge that...ding dong the witch is dead. Props to everyone involved, to include our president. This is the first anniversary we've had since that SOB was killed.

nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: How right you are at 7:08 pm! We do focus on what's wrong so much that we forget about what went right.

manthou — September 11, 2011 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


All I am saying is if we define ourselves as a Christian Nation, what is that based on? Going to Church? Its easy to Love your friend, but your enemy? Kill them!

Striking back at someone who has wronged you or hurt you is called, "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." Look under the layers of self delusion to find your true self, and the culture from which we came, the shared ancestry. Kind of a blood feud going on? About which prophet is the true descendent of Abraham...does it even matter?

Or maybe its just better to have a nice, simple, sound byte explanation--they hate us, because they hate our "freedom."

mangoboy — September 11, 2011 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 4:53...I just read the must read you posted. Gracias. I usually just see EJD on Rachel's show or Chris Matthews. I'm going to read his print much more in the future!

nailingit — September 11, 2011 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen — September 10, 2011 at 9:01 p.m

"Also frobert, how does your daughter feel about your thoughts about having more than one wife? Hey, just asking..."

I would have no problem with my dad bringing a second woman into his marriage, if that was what he wanted more power to him. As long as my stepmother was fine with it and the woman wasn't a total *****. If he brought a man in, not going to lie it might weird me out a little, but if thats what he's into so be it.

Actually I am probably more pro-polygamy then my dad is, he believes in it because he thinks consenting adults should be allowed to do what they want. I on the other hand believe that but I also believe it is better for the family unit and for society. I think group marriages are the next step in social evolution as do many members of my generation. Group marriage is becoming a viable lifestyle choice.

Theres an old proverb that says "it takes a village to raise a child". That was true a few hundred years ago and its still true now. In this day and age where the old man across the street can't yell at kids for being stupid, kids can't run around and play, and they can't pop in and bake cookies with the neighbor lady we need all the positive adult role models possible. In a group marriage theres always someone to stay home and care for the kids. Nobody can say that sending kids to daycare and them seeing their parents only a few hours a day is good for them, in a perfect world one parent would be a homemaker while the other worked but today's economy doesn't allow it. A group marriage presents the perfect solution, and if one person chose to leave then the kids would not have their lives and homes ripped completely apart, they would still have at least two parents. People would be more satisfied, theres more variety, more spice and less reason to cheat. Over all it creates a far stronger family and gives better opportunity for emotional and financial security.

Genevieve — September 11, 2011 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mangoboy — September 11, 2011 at 8:14 p.m.

A Christian nation? Now that’s quite interesting. Considering the various refutations and controversies that that assertion has engendered.

Just how have you determined the accuracy of this assertion? And are you prepared to defend your assertion against an onslaught of detractors.

kn_dalai — September 11, 2011 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I have always found it most informative to observe, that while the ‘religious right’ is thoroughly vilified by the Left, for their attempt to use government to further their own beliefs, the same standard does not apply to the ‘religious left’.

That has been most notable when the religious leftistists decry the Right, and then go about invoking Jesus’ name to support their political idea of government cradle to grave welfare.

kn_dalai — September 11, 2011 at 9:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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