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"""*Columbia River Crossing planners made several key changes to the project’s environmental plans before sending them to federal authorities last week, but opted to wait on at least one other matter — updating traffic forecasts that remain overinflated.*"""

Why does this not surprise me that the key information is being withheld from the Federal Government which would determine the necessity of replacement in the first place? Shiftless, deceptive, underhanded and flat out wrong. There's no quick fix to the problem of our recession and people out of work and the FACT is that more people are driving BECAUSE they're looking for jobs beyond the lists on the internet.



goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 6:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

C-Tran, when the voters decide to not support your ballot measure come this November, you can thank the CRC officials and our fine elected crew for putting the nail in your coffin. The voters WILL speak.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 6:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, my glass is always half full...but when it comes to special interests trying to spend the tax dollars drained from our hard-earned paychecks...I will stand up and shout, my friend. And just to let you know...I've also shared my concerns with our US Congress this morning. Till our economic climate rights itself, there should be **no** replacement of the crossing. I expressed my opinion that the federal tax dollars for the bridge should be used to retrofit for earthquakes, inspections, footings improved should there be the necessity at this time and ramps to and from the freeway in the proposed corridor should be upgraded. This ridiculous "iconic replacement project" needs to be curbed. The need for light rail to the dead end for a minor league baseball team and for the few light rail riders is NOT there and will NOT be there for decades.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...and Alley, sometimes that half full glass starts to boil over the sides of the glass, but I'm still an optimist that my words are still being heard.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- You are continuously being suckered into this non fight crc/bridge thingy. Although it does give you an avenue to vent your frustrations. Have you ever considered your thoughts on this matter to be a case of displaced anxiety? With so much happening within the Republican party (their views openly flying in the face and spitting on new testament theology), perhaps inwardly, your disappointment and confusion should be directed in this area. Conservative leaders lead their minions into battles, making them 'sacrificial lambs' to be slaughtered when rational is brought to the fight. Then he will lead you to the next one.

When you get your direction from a local bible thumping millionaire that puts his boot heel to the throats of the sick, needy and aging every election cycle with rhetoric about not raising revenue, you will walk away...spent...disappointed...and needing to ... 'pray'. A continuous cycle of debauchery. Wake up! Be your own person! Think for yourself!

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat- Straight up it's a racket. That's why I was so disappointed when Obama refused to fight for a public option. As Obamacare is now, better to some degree, but needs public option/single payer...something that is all inclusive.

I look back and this was an early red flag that Obama's not a fighter. He wouldn't fight for his own's he going to fight for anyone or anything else. Rather he cowers in the shallow confidence that history will treat him kindly. Self-absorbed ... imo.

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, with all due respect...I could see where you're coming from but the fact is that the "local bible thumping millionaire" you speak of made a statement in the first day he was posting, way back when on the Columbian, thanking me for bringing to his attention the major issues with the CRC. I do not follow the man. I follow my own path. Thanks for your concern, though.

Alleycat, I know what you're saying but I am not a quitter. It may seem that nobody is listening to us and yes, corporatocracy plays a BIG factor in the decision-making process...but in the long run, they know who votes them into position and they also know who can vote them out just the same.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So Alleycat, you are saying that everyone should have high pay jobs that are willing to work, their pay collected and put in a general fund for all. Those that choose not to work don't have too, but, yet, get equal amount of money, housing, medical care as those who do all the work. With the majority going to the government.

Sounds like Communist China.

Or are you saying the people should work, have their money collected 90% for the government, 10% for the population.

Like Communist North Korea.

Or like Germany, where now the older generation out number the younger working generation, and they haven't enough money in the general fund to meet all the countries demand.

soul_pancake — September 19, 2011 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Soul_Pancake...The old cliche' comes to my mind - What looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You do know, Alley, that song is about communism? Albeit pure communism. Something that has never existed on the face of the planet. Not for the last 100,000 years or so, anyway.

Yo Goldie, take it to the CRC forum! (smiley)

Myself, I enjoy a socialist health care model. It's called the V.A. (and another smiley)

Drift — September 19, 2011 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — September 19, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.

What're you smokin' this morning?

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift, I already posted on the Columbia River Crossing Forum but it hasn't been updated lately and I wanted to bring attention up front on the matter. I'd previously asked Libby to update the specific forums and she did once, but the CRC one hasn't been updated for awhile...hence the reasoning behind my original post this morning on the new week's forum.

Besides...this is still an OPEN forum, isn't it.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"The Buffet Rule" Almost sounds too good to be true! :)) Sounds good if Obama sticks with it.

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat @ 9:08...To the best of my knowledge, smoking dope has not been linked to "kicking the bucket" or "suffering"!! Sigh.....

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 9:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Besides...this is still an OPEN forum, isn't it."

I even wrote the word, "smiley" 'stead'a keying one!
Tough crowd, I tell ya! ;^)

Drift — September 19, 2011 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Okay health nut, I was referring to your comment at 8:54. Nobody FORCES people to go to church. If they seek comfort in listening to the word of God, Yahweh, Buddha, Allah, Mother Earth or NASA...that doesn't mean they are brainwashed. They have CHOSEN to seek that comfort. Because one deranged man who is accused of murdering his wife and those in the church he has killed or injured...doesn't mean he was brainwashed by the church. You were off base on your comment as far as I'm concerned.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift...sorry, I didn't mean to sound so crass with you.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 9:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, it depends on what you call "dope." If you are referring to cannabis it can incite bronchitis in heavy smokers. The LD-50 for cannabis is like 1,200 lbs. in 15 minutes, however. That'd be tough to do.

A 30 year study performed by Donald Tashkin (UCLA) indicates no association whatsoever between cannabis smoking and lung cancer. It's rather interesting because smoked cannabis does contain a good many of the carcinogens found in cigarette smoke. The theory is the THC provides a "protective effect."

Drift — September 19, 2011 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

We're good, Goldie. I understand the cellar can be... Well, I understand.

Drift — September 19, 2011 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — September 19, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.

My thoughts exactly.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift...I was referring to cannabis. 1200 lbs. in 15 minutes. That would be a heavy smoker! Speaks to my earlier comment...too much sun can induce skin cancer, but going to the beach for a little sunshine can be a good thing.

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ummm....okay alley. If that's so what you state about brainwashing, then are you intentionally making certain repetitive statements to....


never mind.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey cat, you do know the Chinese smoked opium, don't you? That's your kind of medicine?

hawkeye — September 19, 2011 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

uh boy!!! Alleycat, you are getting two distinct words confused here.

Number 1:

Community: A Unified Body of Individuals as in State, Commonwealth. The people with common interests living in a particular area. An interacting population of various kinds of individuals in a common location. A group of people with a common characteristic or interest living together within a larger society. A group linked by a common policy.

Number 2:

Communism: A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Community is derived from the Old French word, communite' which in turn was derived from the Latin word. communitas which means "joint possession/use/participation; fellowship; community| kinship.."

Communism is derived from the French word "communisme" which came from the Old French word "commun"...stemmed from the Latin word "communis" which means "common, general, run of the mill."

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Golden- per your 6:35 am post.

When you sebnd eamil make sure you put a smiley on the subject line then it won't go into the "Trash" bin... Just like when you send a fax to complain it goes right into the paper shredder..

Alley- I ilked allot about what you said on the HC plan but not about how so much of what he says is good but can't implement it.. The HC plan should be re done with a public optionfirst off. Secondly lets not fine businesses. Do you know what the actual cost to you will be if you choose the new plan as it is???? Do you know how much more in taxes will be charged for the plan..We need to get the healthcare situation in our country under control for sure, why does an MRI in the hospital at SW cost 5K when you can get one at advanced MRI for $1200??..Hum

vanwadreamer — September 19, 2011 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, if there's any experts in the *Old Latin* language in C-Land, maybe you could correct my definitions that I believe are as close to accuracy as can be...but I could be wrong.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

lol, Vanwadreamer...I'll remember that for next time. I'm sure it'll take a week or two before I hear anything back and let you know what I am told. I'm almost positive it will be one of those form letter emails, though. They've already made their minds up that they're going to spend what they don't have...if it benefits their agenda.

Oops...did I really say that???

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*We can do it. For starters to control population, to give every person, family a fair shot at opportunities to improve themselves.*

Just like Communist China. One child per family. Best put in place a mandatory law that after the first child, that couple would be sterilized.

*To deny good education unless you have to continue discriminating against the have nots.*

Agree here, but look at what is happening to England.

*To deny equal opportunity should be criminal and so should be cronyism, nepotism and despotism. Punishable with jail.*

Equal opportunity is in place here and since it is, so are the rest. Punishable by jail? Then you better be prepared to put many, many families in prison for having family owned and operated businesses.

*To deny health ought to be criminal.*

No one is denied basic health care. If you care to argue that, then perhaps you need to speak with any hospital in the area and find out much they lose each year from those who have no insurance and don't pay. Last I knew SWMC about 4 yrs ago was in the red more than 1 mil.

*To deny a man an opportunity to support himself and family for whatever reason ought to be criminal.*

No one is denied, no one. Either it is because of the person's own doing, or lack of education is the reason they are denied a job. Would you want a person that, lets say has a record of say 13 or more DUI's driving the school bus your child rides? Or say, the person that's a known user and seller of drugs, as ceo of your bank or working at your doctors office?

*To profit merciless on the backs of other people's work without sharing the profits based on meritocracy but to the brown nose or closely connected ought to be criminal...*

Many companies have profit sharing in place, some award shares of the company, some match IRA funds.

*To waste taxpayer's funds ought to be criminal.*

Such as..plane rides to and from one side of the country to other like Pelosi? Or the cost of commuter train rides like Biden? Or say like the $35,000 a person dinner party for Obama? $15,000 per person meeting with JHB and mr fake n bake?

*To collude with economic powers to allow them looting the Treasury at all levels ought to be criminal.*

Like LBJ, Carter, Reagan, Clinton etc did the locked box for SS?

*To allow people to buy politicians ought to be criminal.*

Which ones hasn't been bought?

alleycat — September 19, 2011 at 9:05 a.m

soul_pancake — September 19, 2011 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Smoking pot or anything will destroy your lungs...wise up...there are better "delivery" methods...if you are looking for that medicine to soothe your pain."

I never asserted smoking anything was "good" for the lungs. I merely passed on a 30 year study that found no correlation between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.

The current program I have going is working fairly well. Better than anything has. I don't care to go into too much detail about my malady, but I'll say since I started taking a home formulated capsule every other night my dependence on an opiate pain reliever has dropped by about a third.

Speaking of opiates; I know it's legal to grow poppies, but if you milk them it's a crime. That's too bad. If I could, I would be totally independent for my "pharmacological" needs. That is, if you don't count the vegcaps.

Thanks for your concern though, Cat.

Drift — September 19, 2011 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


there is an easier way to control the population. Make it so that there is no more tax deductions for children and no more welfare per kid anymore. That should slow things down a little.

hawkeye — September 19, 2011 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — September 19, 2011 at 10:14 a.m

Matthew 7:15

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cat, I think you've got that backwards, man. It's the folks doing the alcohol, pharmaceuticals and drugs that step away from the tube to go play sports. Provided, horseshoe pitching is considered a sport.


Drift — September 19, 2011 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I really think we should be on some point system for health care. If you choose to be one of those people your healthcare should cost more just like auto insurance. If your a poor driver you pay more. There would be some issues though with hereditary issues..
Golden - You are right about the training part..What better training and hands on at that can you get really..Although many corprations want you re trained there way instead of the way bill, bob or sue was trained if you know what I mean..

Allen, I like your retirement plan, where do I sign up??

vanwadreamer — September 19, 2011 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Vanwadreamer, I believe it was Alleycat @1:13 pm who spoke about training.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pass the butter and syrup

soapbox4u — September 19, 2011 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Someone is living in a La La Land.. perhaps
one too many acid trips, hit the bong too many times, or been fed too much government cheese, maybe all three, definitely in La La Land.

soul_pancake — September 19, 2011 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Before you accuse me of non substance, I suggest you first look at your idol, Mr. BS, and recognize that this individual, is incapable of making his own arguments about much of anything, instead relying on some prolific number of partisan links and quotes which he himself has not even read. Actually, rather ingenious, in that he can thereby remove himself from direct criticism.

I have repeatedly stated my belief of the founding documents of this country having been based on the Libertarian political philosophy of John Locke. Which at the time was called Liberal.

Furthermore, about the most you yourself have ever said boils down to: ‘I hate Republicans’. ‘ I hate George Bush’.

I have asked you a simple question about your assertion of the ‘new democracy of the 21st century’. You have repeated steered away from answering that. Please do so now.

Regarding R. Paul, just what ‘social engineering’ thing are you referring to? If you are referring to the abortion issue, I suggest you are quite off base, as the issue is whether a fetus is a human being or not, and should not be construed as social engineering. For my part, I believe that Roe v.Wade is the best possible answer to this most difficult issue of government versus private individual. But I will not vilify anyone who believes differently on this most difficult issue.

kn_dalai — September 19, 2011 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Can't you just FEEL THE LOVE in the air today????

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Love is in the air everywhere we go XXOO... I think i'm feelin lucky, how about you Lucy?

vanwadreamer — September 19, 2011 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

One flew over the cuckoo nest

soul_pancake — September 19, 2011 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Plagiarism (noun): cutting and pasting entire passages of wikipedia and not crediting your source, thereby pretending that you know many things that you do not, in reality, know. See also Wikigurgitator

Wikigurgitator (noun): a person who spends a significant amount of time reading Wikipedia in order to use the information attained to sound like a specialist in the subject in a later conversation.

*That boy is a wikigurgitator. He doesn't know anything about the Beat Generation, he just read about Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs on Wikipedia.*

PadmaRani — September 19, 2011 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Soul Brother- Stop I just fell out of my chair... Gotta go, take care all you boys and girls.. Keep it sain, no sane.....

vanwadreamer — September 19, 2011 at 5:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat — September 19, 2011 at 4:41 p.m.

Cat, I often tend to disagree or ignore you
but THAT list is so right on target!!!! You nailed it!

luvithere — September 19, 2011 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Never underestimate the power of the people.

goldenoldie — September 19, 2011 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Running with scissors.

soul_pancake — September 19, 2011 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Matchstick men

soul_pancake — September 19, 2011 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_d @, I appreciate your avatarial presence, but this high maintenance stuff reminds me of a girlfri...never mind, sorry. Your first paragraph, in regards to BS (I assume basil) as being someone I idolize. Talk about left field! Please feel free to source that belief you have. Should be easy enough to do. Read your's like you are muttering to yourself. You criticize, than praise Basil...odd but revealing. Call out to him and perhaps he will answer your cry! And you must admit, he makes Lew look ridiculous. But then again, when Lew posted in the basement many of us also took him to task. Also Lew does a good job of making himself look ridiculous on his own...anyway...

This John Locke guy, yes...quite a stoic chum..yes indeedy. I've never accused you of "non substance". Just not contributing and answering questions. You didn't answer 4 of 5 yet blah blah. "I hate Republicans, I hate George Bush" If that's your take away than so be it. At least something gets through.

This "new democracy" you continually speak of has been addressed. Are you to hound me like you did Allen, when a purported misquote was being addressed by you? When responses aren't quite up to your standard, you tend to address them repeatedly.

As far as the abortion issue. Surely you are not so short sighted, as to not see this is also about a human being rights over their body. I don't think one has to be of said gender to realize you would not want big brother dictating what you are to do with your body, or child for that matter. That my friend is social engineering, and you are in denial in a very deep way.

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

John Locke take part in any witch burning across the pond? Sounds like he was involved in the slave trade up to his...My God man...

...this is the 21st century.

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 9:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

~I like any reaction I can get to my music. Just anything to get people to think. I mean if you can get a whole room full of drunk, stoned people to actually wake up and think, you're doing something~ Jim Morrison

nailingit — September 19, 2011 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Boehner said today, giving up more tax money is the equivalent of feeding a crack addict. The rubber is meeting the road in a big way. This should have happened a couple of years ago but better late that never. I'm sure there will be some in the middle class that will "cling to their guns, religion and stupidity", and continue to vote for these shysters on the right. But the numbers will be fewer as the lines become...less blurred. Rock on Dems...stick to your guns and continue the good fight.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mister Buddwing

soul_pancake — September 20, 2011 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well folks, much to my surprise, I received an answer from Rep. Herrera-Beutler this morning...much sooner than I'd expected regarding the CRC. It was brought to my attention that I should share this in the Columbia River Crossing forum, but how many of you actually read that forum lately??? Was this a form letter style email??? I don't think it was as I've received many a form letter from our folks in DC and in the State of Washington...but I could be wrong. her email she highlighted a few things of which I will quote to you and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't mind my sharing of her response to me. Hopefully it will stay in the format I originally typed. Sorry if it doesn't:

*Our community has been wrestling with the best way to update the current bridge. Rest assured I will continue to be Southwest Washington's tireless advocate for a safe and affordable bridge that addresses our unique transportation needs without adversely affecting our economy.*

*Many residents have expressed their concerns to me about the new bridge and how it will be paid for. It is important that our region is not saddled with a disproportionate share of the costs. I have stated that any proposal must address our region's unique concerns. Specifically:*

o What is the economic impact of the project to Southwest Washington?

o What is the financial impact of tolls? Will tolls be used to pay only for the cost of bridge construction or would they continue indefinitely?

o Does the financing plan make sense? Would this bridge saddle Southwest Washington with too much debt?

o What impact will the bridge footprint have on the region's unique features?

o Is light rail the best option for Vancouver? Is there a more economic solution, like bus rapid transit, that will better serve the region?

...and of course, my favorite response by her:

*With these questions in mind, I believe any major public project that will involve both tax increases and user fees must receive the consent of those tax payers and users. I firmly believe voters of Clark County should have a say in this process and there should be a district-wide public vote.*

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Does anyone give a crap about the "Buffet Rule"? The new jobs plan? Anything regards to..anything?

I suggest a "personals" section in the forums, devoted to those who can't get enough of themselves and those who enable them.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...and perhaps a CRC forum Part II. I guess one is not enough.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

sportyjames — September 20, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.

Sporty, thanks for my coffee that managed to go everywhere on my desk...AGAIN!!! Not what I'd say as a gesture of civil discussion but definitely a SportyJames original.


nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 8:10 a.m.

So nailingit...what exactly do you want to see accomplished in DC when it comes to the national debt? Do you think we need to borrow and spend more in DC? Do you believe there should be a restructuring of sorts? Maybe you could outline what needs to be done.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.

A CRC Forum II??? Why??? Isn't this an Open Forum??? Anything goes (within reason)...right???

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie...have you ever stopped to think why no one "actually read that forum lately???"

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Yep! Sure Have!!! There hasn't been very much about it in the news lately...not much to talk about that we haven't before. But one thing that has been discussed in the forum in recent days is the lack of attention our elected ones are providing to the people. I merely was providing the information I received in a very timely manner. I was reacting to news of the day yesterday when I posted my first comment. As long as it impacts our community,'s worth mentioning when something comes up that we should all be up in arms about.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I would like Buffet to pay for my Netflix, errrr Qwikster subscription.

PadmaRani — September 20, 2011 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, I believe it is incompetent that the local officials and the National Transportation Administration is trying to cram down our throats an $8 Billion dollar-plus project in the first place. Do I blame her after being in office for under two years for not having those questions answered already? Well Alleycat...why didn't her predecessor have those answers by the time he retired from his position? Seems to me he wasn't too keen on the cost of the project and was pushing for it, no matter what impact it would have on his constituents.

It ain't over till it's over, Alley...and right now, it's in the hands of the Feds, my friend.

You speak all the time about booting out all the current office holders, making it perfectly clear that they are incompetent yet when one, yes ONE who is still green around the gills is in office and is doing what she can as ONE person in an office of hundreds of other elected officials...including those who are career B.... and complain about it.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Actually Alleycat, I do not know who SportyJames is other than just another person who posts. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed with the person and called the person less than civil. It was the shock factor when I read the post. Whether or not you put me on the "short bus list," whatever floats your boat, Alleycat.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, I was merely pointing out the FACT that Brian Baird made a stink about the cost projections of the crossing project, a project he supported yet when it came time for our final environmental impact statement to be presented to the governors and to the Feds, they hadn't fixed the obvious issue of project traffic impact and possible revenues. He was ONE man, ONE voice...yet the CRC officials didn't make the necessary change they should have. If you go back and read that article that I presented yesterday (first comment of the forum), you will see what I speak of. So how could a well trusted man like Brian Baird who did a lot of good for our region, not be able to accomplish what he set out to do? And he was a career politician, yet you complain about a new politician in the House.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And Alley, I will not feed you on your troll-ish attacks back at Sporty. What Sporty says is their business and I was merely responding to Sporty. I don't have to answer to you and you don't need to tell me what I can or cannot do, my end it and get back on track, please.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

oops! At 9:59, that should have read "project traffic impacts and possible revenues. Sorry about that.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

For those who've been jumping on Goldie the past few days for bringing up the CRC here --

Most of you are talking barely relevant political BS. There's a special page for this too - WAY at the end of page 2. At least CRC and BRT are locally important. And how about the Vancouver school district - should they join Tacoma and go on strike? What about that Metcalf lady whining about how no one appreciates all the hard work ICC does to "improve" things for the rest of us?

The prelude to the facebook transition was many users complaining about the tangential arguments taking place on the daily editorial. Looks to me like this page has reverted to that mode - which I suspect is why several of the basement dwellers (like myself) are losing interest.

roger — September 20, 2011 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Alleycat, the more you speak of the matter, the more you are feeding them fuel for more firepower. Now would you please try to continue the discussion from my post at 9:59 am or are you just going to continue with your childish jibberish?

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 1:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Please remember why a CRC forum was created to begin with. Because 3 or 4 would endlessly drone on with "self important" knowledge and so-called logistical data as to to that..over and over and over, constantly veering discourse in said direction. You of course being one. I suppose to "suggest" an additional CRC (what the hell, let's add to it)/BRT/Godless lightrail/no taxes/no baseball forum and you see it as "jumping" on goldenoldie.

We could have three or four. It's all well and good. it's local and it's tangential!

Everybody's a victim nowadays.....

Even alleycat, who has the unmitigated gall to accuse others of character assassination! LOL!!!

One thing this forum is not very boring. (except when the thread is dominated by the CRC seniors:))

People quit whining and feeling sorry for yourselves. Be honest with yourself and others. Let it reflect to those you come in contact with.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 1:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I agree with your post at 12:38 although the discussion numbers are clearly quite hearty and that's what the news websites count on. In my case, I can say I have become discouraged on occasion by obvious partisan battles between sides which in my opinion are never solved. That my friend is part of the problem of today's society. It is quite divided and till opposites continue to separate from the seriousness of the situation rather than trying to come to some agreement, the problem will only metastasize. I see the very same discussion traits on the Facebook side of the Columbian as well as with other news comment sections.

It is my opinion that either the news websites will allow this type of discussion to continue only so it accentuates their facade of popularity or all comment sections will shut down altogether.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Earlier today, I decided to do a little yard work and I kept hearing siren after siren after siren. I lost count on the police vehicles after 12. It turns out that not too far away from my home next to the Vancouver Trap Club on 76th Street east of Five Corners, there's a suicidal woman the police are dealing with. Detours have been set up in the area which explains the fewer vehicles on the road for the past couple of hours.

I hope for her sake that she does get the help she needs. These are tough times and I believe many people are at that breaking point. My thoughts and concerns pour out to her and her family.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit...a reminder to you:

"""**Open Forum, Sept. 19 - 25**"""

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As far as the rest of your comment other than your opinion on the CRC, I concur.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and a reminder that a separate CRC forum exists for you, roger and a few others.

But please, as you always do, feel free to speak whenever about whatever. Just a reminder, the The Columbian newspaper created a forum just for this subject.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 2:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and goldenoldie you seem more reasonable the last couple of days with your posts. It's noted and appreciated. Not that what I think means anything :))...just appreciated that's all.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 2:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I seem more reasonable the last couple of days??? Oh boy am I slipping, lol.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...not to worry, I'm confident it won't last! LOL

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'll tell you what, nailingit. I'll gladly take the discussion to the CRC Forum as long as others who are interested join in on the conversation. Otherwise, the exposure on this forum which happens to be at the top of the list of forums is a better location. I thought Libby would update the forums each month but I haven't seen it done yet with the CRC Forum. Guess I'll send her a quick little note.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit - - -

message sent.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cheshire grin on your comment at 2:19. Nailingit, there's times where certain discussions I read between other commenting individuals are truly disgusting or flat outright boring. I've seen you joke about opening up a forum just for those people, but I guess it comes with the territory. It's one of those "grin and bear it" days. Usually, I'll just avoid posting altogether when those discussions continue...sometimes for days, especially when it involves insults going back and forth between two. It's bad enough to see little children fighting over the use of a toy or the he said she said game, but grown adults fighting over whose word is more credible than the other is outright childish, you know. Opinions are just that...Opinions. The concept is hard to grasp for some.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie @ 2:19...Yes! That must be it! That explains the lack of CRC conversation in the CRC forum! The location of the CRC sub-heading! Brilliant!

We should tell Boehner to put the jobs bill at the front of the house. More discussion!

Sometimes things are just too easy!

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Regarding my comment at 2:27 pm...I admit, I've been caught up in childish gibberish myself...but every day's a new day and we learn something as long as we can learn to listen and to understand.

Regarding your comment at 2:28 pm, nailingit...

My jaw is getting sore from smiling too much.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HOLY MOLEY THAT WAS FAST!!! I see Libby has put the special forums at the top of the list!

Thanks Libby!!!

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Libby!!!

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You see goldenoldie...there is always mutual ground to walk on! Peace.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This might fall under roger's "barely relevant political BS", but the basement would be remiss not to acknowledge our troops and policy makers to include Obama, on this, the first day that gays can serve openly in our Armed Forces. A huge progressive step in the right direction to end discriminatory practices in our country.

I harshly criticize Obama on most things, it's only right he gets some credit, when credit is due.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 3 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hate. Misinformation propaganda. Vitriolic attacks. Rabid envy politics foam.

Has anyone else seen this article today about the tax rates of the wealthy? No I guess not.

> On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.
> This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
> Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.
> Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.

kn_dalai — September 20, 2011 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You know Nailingit when I was in the service in late 60s we had gay people in the military then to.But I don't remember any getting tossed out.We had them in Viet Nam also.We just didn't pay that much attention to it.

terick — September 20, 2011 at 3:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

terick...and no doubt they fought in the civil war also. All the time fighting for the freedom and recognitions they were being denied. I'm glad the playing field is a bit more level. For all people.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

~The bible is one of the greatest blessings bestowed by God on the children of men.-It has God for it's author; salvation as it's end, and truth without any mixture for it's matter.-It is all pure~

John Locke

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Funny, how after 400 years or so, Shakespeare is still popular.

Things haven’t changed that much.

kn_dalai — September 20, 2011 at 4:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

~Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces~ Malachi 2:3

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...then again...

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Like "leaving all doubt of your idiocy when you try to "expand" your opinion...

You know yourself well - your vociferous posting are entertaining!

soapbox4u — September 20, 2011 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

7 hours later and 76th Street at 107th Avenue is still closed. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the comments on the Facebook side of the article regarding the suicidal woman. In their own selfishness, the ignorant ones speak of being inconvenienced by what they consider as "selfishness' by the one who is suicidal.

What in the world has happened to compassion and caring?

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 4:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie @ 4:51 PM: I thank you for your depth of caring on this issue. I don't know what else to say.

I watched an interview with Anderson Cooper of his mother, Gloria Vanderbilt, that was recently posted online. They were remembering, with such shared sadness and raw honesty, the suicide death of his older brother, Carter. Because of their privilege and fame, it gets the sympathetic press and public response it deserves. All families deserve the same.

Whatever pain was behind the motivation to take her own life, I hope this woman receives the help she needs for recovery and healing. And I pray that she does not see those cold, cruel comments.

manthou — September 20, 2011 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Mr. Nails,

In addition to your contempt for Republicans, and George Bush, I was remiss in not previously noting your rather unworldly like disdain for those of faith. Which you have repeatedly displayed. For those of the Christian faith anyway.

While I do not necessarily share Representative Paul’s Christian faith, or that of Mr. J. Locke, I also do not hold that against them, as you seem to do.

While I will note that aspect of western religion, which holds that God commanded the universe into being, is very much anathema to the scientific method, it must also be noted that science, as it currently exists, is inadequate to offer a viable alternative.

At least as I see things, it is a stretch to believe that once the various atomic compounds formed into amino acids, they subsequently differentiated themselves into eyeballs, teeth, brains, skin, bones, and etc. And then the bigger question is: 'What came before".

Are you aware of the String theory, which has been all the rage in theoretical physics for 30 years. Or more. Funny thing about this, is that because of the enormously tiny particles theorized, there is no way to scientifically prove such existence, which would relegate this hypothesis to that of philosophy. Now wouldn’t that be funny, if this turns out to be ‘true’ and there’s no way to prove it.

I am unaware of any culture in human history that has not had some sort of reverent supernatural awe for an unknowable existence.

kn_dalai — September 20, 2011 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soul_pancake — September 20, 2011 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Alleycat, I wish you peace in your life. You have been listened to... if that makes any difference to your decision to cut out from the C. It's a tough crowd for sure here.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou...all I know is that nobody deserves to be accused of being selfish because of the state of their emotions when they are at the point of suicidal thoughts. When a person is so depressed to the point where they want to do something drastic, they aren't aware of the zone around them. The mental anguish is deafening and blinding to the person suffering...but there is hope. There is a helping hand out there for this woman and it takes the folks with CCSO and everyone else involved to convince her of that helping hand waiting for her. I know it doesn't mean much to some of the people in Columbianland, but for her...I am saying some prayers of strength for this woman and I hope anybody else who has tendencies to pray for those in pray for her as well.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: We are so lucky here in Clark County, too, to have Crisis Intervention Training for so many law enforcement officers and first responders. Instead of drawing a gun and shooting, as is so often the sad case in Portland, our policemen and women are skilled at verbal de-escalation.

That is why it takes so long and that is why anquished lives are spared.

manthou — September 20, 2011 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Amen, Manthou.

goldenoldie — September 20, 2011 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat @ 5:23...what the hell? Hate? What? Dude you need to get right in some way shape or form. You are misreading me and perhaps many others. But if you want to make yet one more dramatic exit ..then so be it!!!!! LOL The drama!

You take yourself way over the top too seriously. You make it all about you cat. I'm sure you've heard this all before in the real world. Not to get to personal. When I get accused of showing hate it sets me back.

From seeing would be "enemies" parked outside your house to wearing a concealed weapon due to fear of life because you felt threatened by..a commenter! (what MC club you in?)....who was it, r8der or something like that? About the time you were enamored with DM. I give you a pass on most things, and although When I do briefly skim your em'bold'ened posts, I get the idea you've changed your outlook on more.. time. I hope this one sticks.

I have never displayed hate or anger with you, and you have kept me out of your name calling rants. Till now. Go back to the old way cat, it'll serve you better. That's a good thing.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There's a story idea for you, Columbian journalists: CIT training that is given twice a year in Clark County. Ask Cliff Cook and Gary Lucas how it saves lives.

Portland now emulates our model after the James Chasse murder-by-cop. We have been hosting this training for years.

There should be a CIT training coming up in October, if the budget for it has not disappeared. :( It used to be a collaboration between the county and Clark County NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) and a professional trainer.

manthou — September 20, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_d @ 5:30...Great post and well written. Except the "unworldly like disdain" comment. That was brilliant! Although we disagree on much, well......I really do appreciate your perspective.

Everyone has a right to be wrong! :))

So why is the exception made in the Republican party. Politics in general for that matter. If you are wrong in the minds of the American majored Christians, then unelectable you become. That my friend, is where my unworldly disdain lies. The innate hypocrisy in most religions, that if you choose another door, then all of eternity will be unkind to you...

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh Gee Whiz!

Hate! Anger! OOOH NO!

The third rule of KNDalai's three rules to understanding the Left:

> Liberalism, so called, is a mental disorder.

kn_dalai — September 20, 2011 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_d...I'm sure Rick Perry and Michele Bachman "have some sort of reverent supernatural awe for an unknowable existence", it's when we skew it to serve our purpose that presents a problem. And be it the constitution or public office, it has no place other than figurative value.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit-read Alleycats last post a little closer. You were not lumped in with the Trolls.

mangoboy — September 20, 2011 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 20, 2011 at 6:59 p.m.

Don't forget to cite your sources....

Michael Savage

mr_basil_seal — September 20, 2011 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

~Can't we all just get along?~ R. King

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

In the spirit of good behavior, I apologize to anyone I have offended on this forum.

In the spirit of poor behavior, I could care less. Suck it up and move on.

In the spirit of mediocre behavior, treat others as you would have them treat you.

mangoboy- It's hard to tell. I can't see through the self loathing.

nailingit — September 20, 2011 at 9:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

NAILINGIT!!! THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE LAST STRAW, BUDDY!!!! Now I'm never, ever, ever, EVER, ever, ever gonna talk to you again, you meany head!!!

*Just kidding.*

Now...shall we get back to discussing REAL matters and enough with the whaa whaa whining????


Last night in my neighborhood, we heard two shots and thought the worst for the distraught woman. Thankfully, after reading the updated article by John and Craig...the woman is in custody and suffered no serious injury. I believe what we heard was the bean-bag or foam pellet guns when they subdued the woman.

I hope she gets the help she so desperately needs.

My observation...for more than a couple of hours, there was a small plane circling overhead...most likely State Patrol. It left shortly after the two rounds were fired.

Thank you CCSO and everyone involved trying to help the distraught woman.

goldenoldie — September 21, 2011 at 5:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — September 20, 2011 at 8:30 p.m.

I had not even heard of M. Savage until I came on board here a couple of years plus ago.

Since then I have listened to him a few times. I have found him to be rather humorous (and accurate) in his description of certain political factions.

It is true that he has stated that “Liberalism is a mental disorder”. I have added my own variation to that to include that “Liberalism” is “so called”. I have addressed this on many occasions, most notably KNDalai’s first two rules.

As I pointed out to you once before: that someone else has first made a claim does not preclude me from making the same claim.

Although I first made this claim as political caricature I have, sadly, come to realize just how true this really is.

kn_dalai — September 21, 2011 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 21, 2011 at 6:17 a.m.

*I have added my own variation*

"Bernard of Chartres used to say that we are like dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, so that we can see more than they, and things at a greater distance, not by virtue of any sharpness of sight on our part, or any physical distinction, but because we are carried high and raised up by their giant size."

John the Little

< / sarc>

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 6:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Quite a beautiful sunrise this morning....

mangoboy — September 21, 2011 at 6:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It truly is, mangoboy...quite beautiful.

goldenoldie — September 21, 2011 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 6:31 a.m.

I will note your well made point, mr. bs. And were I to receive the Nobel prize, I would use all due diligence in crafting my own unique phrases for my acceptance speech.

However, I take my “Rules” to be a matter of political theory.

Perhaps you would insist that those who would say “all men are created equal” must of necessity first attribute that claim to the U.S Declaration of Independence.

But then before that:

> A state also of equality, wherein all the power and jurisdiction is reciprocal, no one having more than another; there being nothing more evident than that creatures of the same species and rank, promiscuously born to all the same advantage of nature, and the use of the same faculties, should also be equal one amongst another without subordination or subjection, unless the Lord and Master of them all should by any manifest declaration of his will set one above another, and confer on him, by an evident and clear appointment, an undoubted right to dominion and sovereignty.

The Second Treatise of Government by John Locke. Chapter 2, section 4.

Then one might pursue the possible predecessors for the phrase “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

In any event BS, while I acknowledge that I first heard this similar claim by Mr. Savage, I now make this claim myself. It is now my own.

kn_dalai — September 21, 2011 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- Glad the situation turned out well...for the moment.

There are a few subjects that seem taboo for us as a society to address. i.e. legalization of all drugs, legalized prostitution, regardless of the long and short term benefits. The demand for drugs & sex will always exist. As a society we've chosen incarceration and a soaring crime rate over legalization.

In Washington State, we are only one of a few states that allow in some cases, a person to decide his or her fate. The 'Death With Dignity Act". A person has to be judged "terminally ill" with 6 months or less to live, to qualify for assisted suicide.

Given the right pre-cursers, maybe it's time to lower the threshold. For the benefit of society.

Should the government be in the business of controlling our lifeblood? The demand for many to take their own life will always exist. Again, given the right pre-cursors, why should we seek to prevent a person from deciding their own destiny, as long as others aren't jeopardized in the process. Too many times innocent people get hurt, to include law enforcement, when someone puts a gun to their head.

If societies private sector were allowed to provide dignified ways to exit this world, it might cut down on real crime.

Think soylent green. Eddie G had it pretty mellow during his exit.

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ah yes...soylent green, the little food biscuits supposedly made with Soybeans??? Hmm...possibly a little precursor to awareness of...well...Monsanto GM foods??? And just what is in those GM vegan burgers??? Is Tofu all it's supposed to be??? Hard to believe that most of our food has soy protein in in, huh!

Hmm...all the more reason to cook from scratch. Oh...and that Vegetable Oil everyone buys...soybean oil is inside it, too...and it's GM.

Well Nailingit, it appears the hospitals across the US along with Big Pharma are making a Big, Big stink against Obama's Deficit Plan...oh boo hoo! Bear in mind, I'm not thinking about the squeeze on the Medicare patients but rather...who's profiteering from the seniors.

goldenoldie — September 21, 2011 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Top o the mornin to all you Vancouverites!

Fall is in the air, our little furry wild friends are scurrying about stocking foods for the winter..gourds, squash, and pumpkins are ready for harvest. Leaves are just showing signs of the beautiful fall colors. Thank goodness that all the street construction is starting to wind down. Soon we will be smelling stews, soups and chili cooking, pumpkin and zucchini breads, oh yum...don't you just love the fall? It's a time for slowing the hectic pace of summer down to a nice mellow fall to winter stride.

More time to renew old friendship, start new ones or add to ones just forming. So get out there my fellow Vancouverites and enjoy and seize the day! Have lunch with a friend, go shopping or just have coffee and share a joke or two. Share a picture of your kids or grandkids with someone. I know I am today. Lunch, great conversation and share a picture of grandkids with a sweet dear friend today. It does a body good. ;]

ELISI — September 21, 2011 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Okay ELISI, talk about getting people into the holiday spirit...yes, now is the time to start planning the gatherings, home made gifts and all that good stuff. The weather is wonderful...low 80's...cooler nights...autumn colors.

I like your idea about meeting up with friends. Maybe I'll call a friend today and arrange something this week.

goldenoldie — September 21, 2011 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh Golden it soothes the soul, relieves tension to just be with friends, laugh and share!

After these last few weeks in my life I need it.

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nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

They probably fertilized the Soylent Green with Brawndo, too.


High Energy Plankton gathered from the oceans of the world...

Krill Oil perhaps???

goldenoldie — September 21, 2011 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anybody heard of "C-Diff"?

I haven't before this but I put my Mother in law in the hospital with it on Sunday. Dehydration, possible kidney damage, colon problems, nasty little bug. Lately, it has been transferee to people by "health workers" in "health care centers". Keep an eye out for it, symptoms are diarrhea, vomiting, constant sleeping and low blood pressure.

hawkeye — September 21, 2011 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If sex and drugs were legal, then the suicide rate would go down, because everyone would be happy having fun.. we have way to much reality, its better to alter the states...

Legalize suicide, then those who are worried about spending time in the nuthouse can go ahead and pull the trigger without fear of repercussions? Do we own our bodies, or are we just renting?

mangoboy — September 21, 2011 at 12:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mangoboy lol...I concur. But I don't think legalizing drugs would cause much of a (pardon the term) spike in drug use. Those that use have resources. What it would do...

*Create jobs for those that would venture into this avenue of the pharmaceutical retail business.

*Provide a solid revenue source for the Fed as well as the states.

*FDA approved pharmaceutical's cause less death and health problems. Today we have FDA approved heroin, morphine and cocaine just to name a few. To my thought no one has passed away from a hot or tainted dose.

*The billions of $$$ we spend each year, arresting, prosecuting and housing citizens for crimes directly related to drug illegality. i.e. possession, paraphernalia, sales, would be saved. A good portion of said saved $$$ would be used for proper drug education and rehab. centers.

*It would free up law enforcement to downsize and target their resources in other areas.

*It would free up prison space in case Bush and his cronies are ever put on trial.:))

*It would give Americans more options when it comes to personal health care. In many cases, American citizens are not allowed to manage their own pain...this is UnAmerican imo.

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If prostitution were legal, many of the same principles apply. Except the part about usage. I think more men and women would utilize prostitution services if readily available. In the context of creating jobs, individual freedom and a service that provides, in a sense, a holistic form of medicine.

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Charlton Heston _Soylent Green_ 1973.

Drift — September 21, 2011 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye, it's medical term is Clostridium difficile.

It is most common among older adults that have spent/spend long term in the hospital or nursing home. Most times shows up during or after antibiotic medications are used.
The bacteria can be found throughout our environment in soil, air, water, human and animal feces.

It is spread from unwashed hands of those infected. The spores the bacteria makes, lives on walls, floors etc for weeks to months. The toxins it produces attack the lining of the intestine and colon.

ELISI — September 21, 2011 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Certain criteria and a waiting period no doubt would apply with legal euthanasia. If someone is hell bent on offing themselves, let it be with dignity, and within the guidelines of the law. Why make a human beings last wish illegal. Mortuaries make tons of $$$ after your time has come. Investment on how you get there should not be a crime.

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift @ 3:31...but there's so much of it, and the yellow tastes like chicken!

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"holistic medicine" lmao!!

PadmaRani — September 21, 2011 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 19, 2011 at 4:16 p.m
*I have repeatedly stated my belief*

You are well entitled to state any "belief" you wish; however, if you have any interest at all in attempting to sway others' opinions you'd do well to bring some documentation, or as you call it; " partisan links and quotes "

That you can't bring anything to the table in support makes your opinion basically worthless. But, if that is what you want......

You do realize that that basic expectation is pretty elementary, right? Like elementary school.....

So, perhaps, instead of tossing out meaningless statements like "he himself has not even read", you should focus on either showing how the evidence is wrong or bring your own to the table.

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"However, I take my “Rules” to be a matter of political theory."

And that absolves you of the moral obligation to show where you 'borrowed' them from, how?

"must of necessity first attribute that claim"

Actually, in most writing, no. Called "common knowledge". Of course there are times when people need to be reminded......

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

In 2007, the Swiss legalized assisted suicide for the mentally ill. That is a difficult one, as the person must have the "capacity for discernment."

Persons who suffer from psychotic disorders are not consistently in control of their thoughts.

manthou — September 21, 2011 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou- I agree. More than difficult and not acceptable. Part of the criteria to meet would be the ability to make a sound decision. In some cases continued confinement is a must. Although it begs the question as to which would be a better reality/existence for such an individual. The nuances and situations are countless. While I don't think legal euthanasia would cause a disproportionate amount of citizens seeking death, it would lend some dignity to what is with many, an undignified death, languishing in a hospital, rest home etc. For some that works, others I'm sure would opt out. It comes down to quality of life I suppose.

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Mr bs,

Sir, I have been ever mindful of the Columbian’s admonition against one’s unspirited verbal assaults against another. While I have generally done my best to live up to this high ideal, I must admit that, I have at times, failed miserably.

In that spirit, Sir, let me first say that: you are a fool.

And a stubborn one at that.

Your, and your could spin apple pie into looking like some vast right wing conspiracy. It is shameful. As are you. (Oh gee, no offense or anything).

We have been through this at least once before.

My statements are my own. They are of a political nature. I have defended them on at least one previous occasion with you.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- The United States Declaration of Independence.

So just what do you think of this statment BS? Perhaps you can bring evidence to support or refute this allegation.

If you wish to contest my own statements, then bring your refutations to bear.


kn_dalai — September 21, 2011 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 21, 2011 at 6:34 p.m.*"Your, and your could spin apple pie into looking like some vast right wing conspiracy"*

Proof? Show us an inaccurate citation there.

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*"My statements are my own. "*

Ummm, M. Savage ring a bell?.......

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Make your own arguments for a change.

kn_dalai — September 21, 2011 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @5:43: Dignity for sure.

One of my favorite quotes is from Norman Cousins:

"Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live."

Giving self-determination back to someone who lives with daily suffering, mental or physical or both: that is one of the arguments at the heart of the death with dignity controversy for sure.

On to lighter fare: Check out the Daily 'Couve's most recent dig at The C. Hilarious! Who are the genius writers behind this blog? :)

manthou — September 21, 2011 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, thanks for the definition. It really did a number on her but she is on the mend now and back on the feed bag as well. I see her up and about in no time.

hawkeye — September 21, 2011 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye, good to hear! It is a nasty bug that takes weeks to months to get over and nothing to sneeze at. Think of it as food poisoning at 100% worse. Just a very good reminder how important it is to wash hand and use hand sanitizer.

I cringe every time I see parents that allow their babies to chew on the handles of shopping carts in the stores. Knowing that hundreds of hands have handled them over the day and not knowing where those hands have been and touched is enough to send me running for hand sanitizer.

ELISI — September 21, 2011 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**The Wall Street Journal's Solar Orphan** by Shauna Theel

In March 2010, the Journal ranked Solyndra #5 of the Top 50 Venture-Backed Companies in a survey designed to gauge “the odds of success for U.S.-based companies valued at less than $1 billion.” In a separate survey seeking “to identify those green companies that have the capital, executive experience and investor know-how to succeed in an increasingly crowded field,” the Journal ranked Solyndra the Top Clean-Tech company in the country.

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There has been a lot of talk about the Government wasting money by investing in industries that cannot support themselves, and so it should all be eliminated as "wasteful pork." Well, hogwash...First of all, starting new businesses has always been a high risk proposition, and many fail. But the only way to really know if the ideas will succeed is to get them going and see what happens. Secondly, the Banks are not lending, but hoarding money. So that leaves the Gov't with the responsibility to make sure there is money out there for capital. And thirdly, there are probably many good business managers and investors who sometimes make bad decisions. Its just human nature.

mangoboy — September 21, 2011 at 9:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

National Solar Jobs Census: Over 100,000 Americans Work in Fast-Growing Solar Industry
By Stephen Lacey

There are now 100,237 jobs in the American solar industry, according to preliminary figures released this morning by the Solar Foundation. The organization is currently putting together its second solar jobs census, which will be released next month. The census tracks a diverse range of jobs in solar PV, solar thermal and concentrating solar power.
The Solar Foundation found that between August of 2010 and August of 2011, the solar industry grew by 6.8%, far outpacing the 0.7% growth rate of the overall U.S. economy.


Much of the solar activity in 2009 and 2010 was spurred by the Treasury Grant Program, a federal incentive package that replaced tax credits and made it easier to finance projects. That program is set to expire at the end of this year. While the federal investment tax credit is still in place through 2016, the lack of tax appetite among financial institutions may slow project development a bit. As the solar industry pushes for another extension of the grant program, lawmakers now have 100,237 more reasons to listen up.

mr_basil_seal — September 21, 2011 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — September 21, 2011 at 8:19 p.m.

I never wipe off the bars on the shopping carts but then again, I don't put my hands in my mouth or eat with my hands without washing them first. My parents did a good job of instilling a logical sense in me and my siblings which includes but is not limited to chewing with my mouth closed and never talking with my mouth full. Things that most young people don't understand, unfortunately.

hawkeye — September 21, 2011 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- Points well taken. Life isn't it only follows suit...

Good one from the dailycouve!

nailingit — September 21, 2011 at 10:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye, one doesn't have to put the hands in the mouth to catch/become infected with anything. A simple rub of the nose or eye/s is an open invitation for viruses. Or say one has to cough, hands automatically goes up to cover your mouth, unwashed hands that just touched a nasty handle of a door or cart...well lets just say perfect set up for cold, flu, and bacteria like C Diff, MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus}etc.

Another trick I learned many years ago in practical nursing class is to keep nails trimmed very short during the flu and cold time. Germs just love to hide under finger nails, not even soap and hot water gets to them there.

ELISI — September 21, 2011 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yesterday Republicans failed to pass a bill that tied spending cuts to disaster aid. It leaves them only days to avert a government shutdown. Boehner thought he could pass this ridiculous bill and had 48 right wingers vote against it. The speaker of the house has been rendered impotent.

Partisan or not, some of you on the right must be fed up with this guy and others. You can't blame everything on Obummer.

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, never ever have I said I blame everything on Obama.
I have always said I blame BOTH parties as well as the American people who have sat back, said and did nothing while the raping of the taxpayer has been going on. That my friend even includes you!

Sitting daily complaining on a forum in a town newspaper never gets anyone anywhere, or anything done. You want change, you want America to be better than she is today? Get out from behind that monitor and keyboard and help those in office make those changes. Pull your manpanties up, roll your shirt sleeves up..stop being old farmer Joe with a wheatsheaf in your mouth on a Saturday afternoon in front of the town's barbershop.
Nagging and complaining daily is as annoying as a dripping faucet.

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 9:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I wasn't addressing you in particular "ELISI". Please treat others as you wish to be treated. "ELISI" LOL!

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

May I remind you nailingit of what you said...

*Partisan or not, some of you on the right must be fed up with this guy and others. You can't blame everything on Obummer.
nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 7:46 a.m*

Yeah nailingit, I on the right more than the left, and yes nailingit I'm fed up with him and all the others...what I said earlier still stands.

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen- HR4646 is a bill sponsored (with no co-sponsors) by Chaka Fattah (D) Pennsylvania.

It has been wrongly attributed (GOP rumor & skewing the facts division) to Peter DeFazio & Tom Harkin.

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — September 22, 2011 at 11:13 a.m

Yes I have read about HR4646 and yes they want to take 10% of not only deposits but they also want 1% for each transaction from what I understand.

Check about it Allen.;=article&id;=642&Itemid;=129

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen- DeFazio speaks to this issue at his website.

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...and comments the "misinformed" right will post like, "yes they want to take 10% of not only deposits...", should not be taken with any more thought than Obama's "death panels".

10% of our deposits.....sigh

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This bill seeks to eliminate the national debt by **repealing the individual income tax** and adding a new 1% tax on all financial transactions, including all consumer transactions like uses of cash, check and debit. It would also repeal refundable and nonrefundable personal tax credits and the alternative minimum tax (AMT). This bill has not attracted any co-sponsors, moved in the legislative process, or gotten any attention from congressional leaders. There is virtually zero chance of it moving in Congress.

I kinda like it, although the net tax rate would be 2% as they hit it both ways-in and out-it would still be less than what I'm paying now. But it isn't going anywhere.

Also, it's a house bill-unsponsored-so it doesn't really have anything to do with Obama.

mrd — September 22, 2011 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Opps that should raed..."I have read about HR4646 and yes what I have read they want to take 1%"

Thats what I get for eating lunch and trying to type with one hand..LOL!!

Anyway Allen, from what I get it neither true or false.
If it ends up true, watch people leave their banks and credit unions and deal with cash only.

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 11:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Slapping nailingit hands and telling him to go sit in the corner...shame on you..LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I have a cure for you nailingit, come stand at the light post on the corner of my home as the water truck goes by to spray water on the dirt that is everywhere from the city putting in the sewer and new water lines.

My dog got nailed by it earlier when she was sitting by the fence as the truck went by, poor thing looked like a half drowned rat. Bet she don't sit there again! LOL!!!!!!!!

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"That's what I get for eating lunch and trying to type with one hand..LOL" Yep, those number 1 and 0 keys are pretty close! Perhaps your statement should be amended to...

That's what I get for having my lunch handed to me, trying to further falsehoods once again, with one hand..LOL!


nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...nice try though "ELISI". Anything to offer as substance today, or just childish nonsense. I think I see another personality about to enter in...

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 12:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I just want to remind everyone to watch the Republican Presidential Debate tonite @ 6:00 on........FOX NEWS! featuring that #1 FOX NEWS GQ centerfold babe.....Megyn Kelly!!! Megyn will be in charge tonite and conduct proceedings. Should be loads of fun!!!

nailingit — September 22, 2011 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL nailingit, I'm right handed, tried to type left with two finger and not paying attention will get me and anyone into double trouble every time! No lunch was handed to me by you or anyone else..No falsehood, just a simple mistake I should have caught before sending...and I did correct it..

Still slapping your hands and sending you to the corner!!

Besides, none of us is perfect by no means, not even you! So raspberries to ya ;)> ****

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

We need a flat tax, period. One that is so strong, the worthless politicians can't ruin it like they have social security, medicare, medicaid and just about anything else they can rob to pay for their stupid ideas. It will never happen until we have honest people representing us. In other words, we need people running the country who aren't lawyers.

cranky — September 22, 2011 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My unemployed son got a flier from Jaime - her job fair is Weds 28 Sep from 1 to 6 PM at the Red Lion at the Quay.

This is a stretch based on one example, but it's good that she's targeting unemployed people, rather than sending a blast mailing. It should be interesting to hear what employers are there, and the types of jobs being recruited.

And, as an aside, I wonder why the Red Lion? Is it possible they're more user friendly than the big hotel/convention center up the block that we're subsidizing?

roger — September 22, 2011 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lawyers aren't the only ones that get bought.

roger — September 22, 2011 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Some interesting info in Marissa Harshman's column yesterday

I suspect the 28% of children and 17% of adults in Clark County who are considered "food insecure" correlates much more closely to the real unemployed/underemployed numbers than the figures we're being fed.

roger — September 22, 2011 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I got an email from Jamie reminding me of the "Job Fair". Even though I'm not looking for a job.

I wonder why New Seasons had their own job fair? Seems like they could have saved money by joining Jamie's.

hawkeye — September 22, 2011 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Rep Jaime's job fair will cater to Republican employers. I will bet the farm David Madore will be their with a U.S. Digital table.

mangoboy — September 22, 2011 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A flat GRADUATED tax. Fair is fair!

mangoboy — September 22, 2011 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Mango, Cranky


hawkeye — September 22, 2011 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here we go again, will the idiots in DC ever learn???

*A day after defeating a virtually identical bill, the U.S. House has passed a temporary spending measure to fund the government through Nov. 18 by a vote of 219 to 203 after Republican leaders included a new spending cut to lure conservative votes.*

ELISI — September 22, 2011 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 22, 2011 at 5:16 p.m.

Roger, it is my opinion that she chose the Red Lion Inn at the Quay just for the mere fact that she is a Republican. If you were a Republican, would you set up a job fair in a building such as the Hilton with the financial history haunting it? Remember, Repubs don't want to spend like it's growing on trees. I think Representative Herrera-Beutler made a definite statement by choosing the Quay for her Jobs Fair.

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger and Goldenoldie, or they offered the use of their building.. for free, or as a donation. They may have offered the use as advertisement also. What better way to draw business in than to offer a service to a group for free, allow those who have never been there to see what they have to offer in hopes word of mouth draws customers back for..dinner, book room for friends or relatives during the Holiday season or vacation time. Or maybe even book the use for business meetings, weddings etc.

ELISI — September 23, 2011 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

~Finally, a guy who says what people who aren't thinking, are thinking.~

Jon Stewart speaking of Glenn Beck on the 'Daily Show'.

nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, thank you for your insurance health care post! Don't ya just love the song and dance? So if one does the preventive medicine and see their doctors, why is it now that some doctors feel if you are of a certain age that you don't get the same care that a younger person does? Here is my example, I broke a wrist a couple years ago and know a ligament was screwed up in the process of the fall. They were more concerned about the bone that broke and not the ligament. I was told to give up my gardening and live with it not fix it at my age! I can tell you I have worked with 20 years olds and work circle around them but I'm to old now if you look at my age??? Do you wonder why some of us old folks hate to go to the doctors?

karma — September 23, 2011 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

House Republicans are holding the funding of our government hostage, once again! This time over the funding of disaster relief aid! Amazing! 14 more months till these un-American baggers get the boot! Can't wait!!!

The Republican party is on fire! Let it burn!!!

nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 1:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI...I should have put that (s) behind my previous comment. What you say makes a lot of sense, though.


Okay, now I have to point something out about Sporty's comment to Allen and Allen's comment at 10:36 pm. Sporty, you are forever knocking down Allen's comments, laying claim to what you believe is a drinking issue...but Sporty, did you recognize the root word in the spelling of Allen's rendition of disappoint??? Hello, Sporty...Here. I'll help you:


Do you ever feel like you've been *dissed* and didn't even notice till someone pointed it out to you, Sporty??? I'm done with my nonsense.


goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal more thing and this is to Allen.

Sir, just because Sporty gives you the troubles and makes false accusations upon you, that doesn't mean others believe them. I will say for the record that I do not believe Sporty's accusations and believe it's all just a big tease. No need in my book for you to fight the person regarding that issue.

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Fake??? Actually, time away is good for everyone. It helps clear the mind of the polluted thoughts by a select few on the C. Isn't it time for you to go on one, Sporty?

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Alleycat, I was going to ask you if the past couple of days helped you gather your thoughts, but I see you're on the attack again. I'm not "With You" or "Against You." I am my own self. And regarding SportyJames, you might check their wall and read up on the comments. There's actually some context in their posts beyond their usual tease. You need not take everything so personally, Alley. It's not healthy. I received the same advice from others before in dealing with those who well as insult. You know the old cliche', Alley...Keep your friends close but your....

well, I wouldn't exactly say enemies closer...but it just seems to fit. far as the list of forums are concerned, it was Libby Tucker who agreed to update the select forums. I didn't ask for them to be put directly above this week's forum. That's ridiculous assumptions by you, Alleycat. I just didn't want them lost in the extended list of weekly forums...and as you can see just by checking them...the Back Fence is still continuing with occasional discussion. That my a process you'll have to take up with Libby. Why don't you pop her an email and tell her of an idea to improve the forum list. I'm sure she'd be more than willing to take your suggestions.

And far as C-Tran and the "working poor" who cannot afford a car most likely...Well sir, this person can afford a rather nice vehicle but would rather take the bus instead, only because she doesn't like to contend with the crazy drivers on the road. Nice try, though.

interesting picture, too.

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*He is an "internet terrorist" lady.. A moron that attacks all of us from behind over an over with nonsense. He does not have the "intelligence" to debate anything..."Comprende"? He is a coward that thrives in anonymity and lies.*

So Alleycat....what does that make you, a politician? Gag me either way!

mxfun118 — September 23, 2011 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"""I am totally boycotting this site until that "cojonesless" Matt something kick the crap out that "shorty james moron!" out of this forum."""

so why are you posting?

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

and I thought *I* got emotional on the C!!!

Geez Leweeeeze!

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Alleycat, if you want to be active in your need to go beyond the Columbian Forum Page. As far as the one liner insult mongers...

There's a little attribute on the C where you can hover your cursor over it and click "Ignore User." It works wonders when people are ticking you off. Just like that


They are nothing more than a little gray line with their more more insults. No more worries or hassles.

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You see Alleycat, I'll show you. Here goes...(click).

Hey Alleycat...Where did you go??? Oh...oops. Guess I'd better click "Show Comment." Sorry about that...but it worked!

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

""""Well, how would you like if someone came here daily to insult you with nonsense Golden?""""

Do you reeeeeally want me to answer you on that?

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now you see that??? SportyJames provided a link with information which matched the discussion. And it wasn't a one liner!

And Alley...I wasn't ignoring you. I was telling you how to ignore others who bother you.

You say and I quote "You do not contribute to this economy zit! Just a loudmouth so you can ride a bus to I don't know where but that is your wacky biz and on our dime, the ones that pay for that obsolete transportation system."

Care to explain? Seems to me you're on the attack, Alley. Did I condemn your words? Are you trolling today, Alley or do you have something substantial to share with all of us? Do you honestly know what I do away from the C? I've only provided a smidgeon of what goes on in my life. What makes you think I'm not paying my fair share? What makes you think I'm someone who is dependent on others? What makes you think I'm not doing anything in society to better the lives of my family AND the lives of others?

ASSumptions on your part...

Do you ever volunteer? Do you ever speak in a proactive manner to better your community. Are you involved in your community? Do you ever step outside your home and help your neighbor in need? Do you help those who NEED help???

Saying you employ some...well, that's good...but it's for YOUR benefit mainly. Trying to say you are helping the community while your pocketbook gets fatter and fatter...

yeah...uh huh!


goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL, Alleycat. You are quite entertaining. I've lost your respect????

Oh well. I never thought I had it in the first place. And frankly my dear...

I don't give a ....(fill in the blank).

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, now that the drama is behind us, time to get back to the news. I see the folks who manage the Gifford Pinchot National Forest are up to their usual idiotic ways. Today, there's a planned burn in the Sawtooth Berry Fields...

DURING HUCKLEBERRY SEASON??? At least wait till after the hucks have all but died back for the winter, guys.

Smooth move, Ex-Lax!

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hi Kids, I just got a letter from you know who and JUST IN TIME!

September 23, 2011

Dear Mr. Xxxxxxxxx,

Thanks for your inquiry about town halls. I am sending you this email to acknowledge that I have received your contact information, and will let you know about upcoming events. It is important for me to hear from folks in our region and I value your feedback and opinion.

To date, I have held 17 successful in-person town hall meetings, telephone town halls, and community coffee meetings throughout Southwest Washington. At each one of these events, I gave a brief Congressional update and then opened the floor to your questions. I believe it's important that you get the chance to talk directly to your Member of Congress, ask questions, and discuss the issues.

Right now, our region's most important issue is Job Creation. That's why I'm hosting a Southwest Washington "Jobs Fair" on September 28 in Vancouver at the Red Lion at the Quay from 1:00 to 6:00 pm. I invite you to attend, and to send this information on to any job seekers you know. I look forward to personally seeing you there. Hopefully we can help get some folks back to work.

***My goal is to be as accessible as possible to you.*** Here are additional ways to keep in touch with me and use my office as a resource:

Learn about our upcoming town halls and meetings on Facebook:
See when my Vancouver-based staff is holding their next Mobile Office near you:
Sign up to find out when our next community coffee will be held:
Request to be on my next live telephone town hall:

Thank you again for contacting me, and please let me know if you have any other questions, thoughts or ideas.


Jaime Herrera Beutler
Member of Congress

hawkeye — September 23, 2011 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And out of the "17 successful in-person town hall meetings, telephone town halls, and community coffee meetings throughout Southwest Washington" how many of these have any of us been invited to or even been able to go to? For me ---- ZERO!

hawkeye — September 23, 2011 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Invitation??? I thought we'd see a public notice and attend if we so choose. I've never seen any personal invitation. I've received emails announcing them but invitations??? least she's giving the info to contact her and asking you to continue your quest for information from her, Hawkeye. With some of those in Congress...I never got any response...just an automatic sign up to their online newsletter.

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Let's see now...the 3rd Congressional District starts at Olympia, down to the I-5 Bridge, east to beyond Mt Rainier National Forest and west to the Pacific Ocean. And how many towns are in that district????

goldenoldie — September 23, 2011 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

After two years and 17 in-person meetings, she has talked to at least 200 people! Amazing! So how many more years will it take to get to the rest of us?

hawkeye — September 23, 2011 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — September 23, 2011 at 4 p.m.

Two years?

frobert — September 23, 2011 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Didn't even make it 4 full day...tsk tsk

Question,... has The Black Swan Escaped from Alcatraz and will it be another Fatal Attraction turn into The King of Comedy?

soul_pancake — September 23, 2011 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — September 23, 2011 at 4:20 p.m

Seems like it.

hawkeye — September 23, 2011 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

alleycat @ 2:12...dude, I thought you ran 5 miles a day. Is that an old pic?

nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Did anyone watch the debate last night? Anyone see and hear the booing of a soldier in Iraq because he inquired about DADT? Not one republican candidate denounced it. How about the debate when members in the audience cheered at the death scenario of an uninsured man. The short-sighted self-serving vitriolic nature of the hard right republicans has been on display for the country to see. i hope people are paying attention. Anyone else think Rick Perry is just too damn dumb to run our country?

nailingit — September 23, 2011 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I think the way to create jobs is the same as it has always been. It is hard work, innovation, talent, and determination, and figuring out a solution to whatever obstacles may present themselves.

But increasingly, we are looking at a situation where it is not a matter of finding work now for many. It is merely surviving.
Our entire world economy is undergoing something akin to fibrillation, with great stress and pain and no coordination or cooperation of the muscle tissue, resulting in reduced standards of living, dislocation, and forced abandonment of luxuries as well as necessities. Its a moment in history we have never had to deal with before, where economies are all related and instantaneously responsive to each other. The solution is probably simple, but it takes everyone working together, which we can't seem to pull off. That is setting the stage for needless tragedy, when the basic principle of working together cannot be recognized. The pride, the self righteousness, the do not lose face at any cost, and the hanging on to the same old formulas cannot rule the agenda anymore.

mangoboy — September 23, 2011 at 9:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There is a lot of mistrust and confusion in worldwide finance, a myriad of financial documents are floated around, each making claims about face value, each making promises to pay a certain interest, supposedly guaranteed by banks and governments. No one really understands the entire system, due to its complexity. But a number of clever individuals have mastered specific areas of the world economy and have figured out how to exploit it, whether it be in currency trading, day trading in stocks, derivatives, insider trading, floating bad paper around, whatever. Lots of scams and rackets at work. Faith in the dollar is kind of faith in a house of cards. Hundreds of billions of near perfect Dollars are being counterfeited and circulated world wide by sophisticated criminal cartels and even in collusion with petty dictators in "third world" countries. The scammers are bleeding the system of value and trust. "If you cannot hold it in your hand," if it does not have intrinsic useful value, its probably worth a lot less than you think. So that is my cynical/realistic take on current events.

mangoboy — September 24, 2011 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

" Mr. Bow tie (never trust anyone with a bow tie... they are usually.. well... different and usually "Lib-tards".... nuf said)."

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mr_basil_seal — September 24, 2011 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

40 years ago Nixon led a push to remove the gold standard. This allowed deficit spending to finance the Vietnam War. Also, the US government could freely print money-it didn't have to be backed by gold. The fuse for the explosion of federal debt had been lit.

Our dollar is worthless. From Muslin nations seeking their own currency, Euros, and China talking about dumping our currency as the world's exchange currency, the dollar's demise is inevitable. Even US banks don't want your dollars now. Hopefully it's because they don't have any demand for loans and just don't want to pay interest and FDIC insurance on money they can't flip. If not, big trouble ahead.

With another reccession looming, banks, especially in Europe, are in danger. However, for the vast majority of people, the recession has never ended. But if the "too big to fail" banks get hit, so will we all. Hopefully, this time they will be allowed to fail. While the consequences may be more dire, perhaps the system will right itself and not just push the problems beyond the next election.

mrd — September 24, 2011 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I agree 100%... Some people call this a Fare tax. Every corporation pays it as well..
I just read Lou's column about City Hall being too nice and I have to say Lou, what a hypocrite. He is crying like the little brother who had his toy taken away and now his sister is playing with it. Does he think were a bunch of kids and can't see through hie rhetoric. Like Golden might say GEEZ! I think I'm going to go cry a river for him..Speaking of out of touch with reality. He is a lost soul.Don't like the article, just sour grapes to me.. ..

vanwadreamer — September 24, 2011 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"the drugs must be peaking for you "

" still advocating legalizing drugs?"

mr_basil_seal — September 24, 2011 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — September 24, 2011 at 8:26 a.m.

Instead of a SAG, how about a researched number? A well researched number.

mr_basil_seal — September 24, 2011 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Pretty amazing stuff. Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll and it wasn't even close! Mitt came in third and he wasn't even there!

The Republican party is on fire! Let it burn!!!

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 4:30 p.m.

Seeing as the democrats have already burned to the ground, sure why not.

Paul and Johnson 2012

frobert — September 24, 2011 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — September 24, 2011 at 10:57 a.m.

Because those who advocate flat tax often show an appealingly low number without a hint of research.

Sorta like the George Bernard Shaw and 'negotiating the price' story...

mr_basil_seal — September 24, 2011 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 4:30 p.m.

"Eventual GOP nominee McCain ran a distant second to Rudy Giuliani in Gallup's early 2007 Republican preference tests, including by 25% to 42% in February. Giuliani maintained an impressive lead through the summer and fall."

mr_basil_seal — September 24, 2011 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Are you saying we should go back to the gold standard, as the basis of value for all currency? Why gold? Why not walnuts or 4 leaf clovers or multicolored tulips?

I say we have to some how restore confidence and trust with our trading partners, business associates, and government institutions. A promise is not a promise anymore. We have too many distortions, too much fine print and indecipherable legalese in contracts, too many scammers and the dumbing down of ethics and a sense of what is right. I think we need a new underground economy, which circulates Integrity dollars, which are used to barter for services and products. There is so much fear out there, of what will happen if the downward spiral of our country/world economy continues, but also fear of the necessary, significant changes that could put us back on the path of progress.

mangoboy — September 24, 2011 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal @ 6:32...thanks for the link. It provided some historical data to support the "burning". The GOP still has this race for frontrunner up in the air..:)) What has been your take away from the Republican debates so far?

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro @ 4:54...2nd degree burns...but coming back. If I may ask of you also, what has been your takeaway from the recent GOP debates?

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.

My takeaway from the debates.

Perry is a moron.
Romney is a democrat
Santorum is a latent homosexual.
Bachmann, Cain,Huntsman and Gingrich are insignificant.
Paul is doing much better than the media would have you believe.

frobert — September 24, 2011 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Excellent! My assessment is pretty much the same. I kind of like Huntsman. It was a bummer the way the crowd reacted to a deployed soldier based on his sexuality. I know Johnson later apologized for not speaking up. That means something, and he seemed somewhat sincere.

One of my takeaways is the tone of the audiences. It seems whoever speaks the harshest words concerning gays, raising taxes, Obama, abortion, healthcare gets great applause. To the point of cheering death and booing deployed soldiers. A bit unconscionable, don't you think?

On another note: kn_d, it was good to see you post as of late. Don't tell me a couple of basil body slams silenced you! :))

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 9:43 p.m.

I actually prefer Johnson over Paul, but he doesn't have a chance of winning the nomination. I disagree with Paul on several issues but he doesn't believe that those issues fall within Federal authority, therefore the disagreement becomes irrelevant.

frobert — September 24, 2011 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro- I understand where you are coming from. I have a soft spot for Libertarian philosophy. I will confess that I actually voted for Andre Marrou in 92'! I find elements in Dem, GOP and Libertarian that I like. It's finding the right blend for President. Although I'm hard pressed right now to think of any Republican ideals I embrace.

I'll amend my "elements" to exclude republicans, unless something comes to mind.

Nugent's a pretty good guitar player, and Brittany Spears is more than hot...but beyond that...

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 10:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And Elisabeth Hasslebeck is absolute sterling. A babe indeed. I would love to discuss my political differences with her!

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 10:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Allen — September 24, 2011 at 7:58 p.m.

My point is that those who advocate for a flat tax can't bring a researched number. And those that posit a number - SAG or 'top of the head' or ' back of the envelope' - bring a number that is appealingly low.

So, much like the climate change deniers who can't bring any research, we have a lot of noise and little substance. Which, if it is such a viable idea, seems odd on its face that there is no serious evaluation of the policy.

Where's the math?

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 2:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — September 24, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.

*Paul is doing much better than the media would have you believe.*

How do you know that? If the numbers "the media" are using are wrong, why are they using them? What are the right numbers?

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 2:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 8:39 p.m.

*What has been your take away from the Republican debates so far?*

Seems rather like noise from the teabagger /libertarian contingent at this point. And most any comments made in those debates only sound 'reasonable' by comparison to the person standing next to them.

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 3 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A bit of proof reading: SB teabagger & Libertarian contingents.

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 2:39 a.m.

He is polling at 13%, a similar number at this point in the contest to many past winners. The media however reports this as an insurmountable deficit.

frobert — September 25, 2011 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


No, I don't think a return to either a gold or tulip standard is particularly a good idea, but I think there are sound economic principles to learn from such a system as there are with the current economic policies. But, the current system is failing, and the lipstick on this pig ain't cuttin' it.

When there is an effort to stimulate the depressed economy from the bottom up rather than from the top down, we might see some improvement. As trickle down economics has never worked, never will (unless you're at the top) why keep doing it? Get the economy growing and perhaps the dollar will survive a while longer. It's impossible to stay at the top forever, but this country seems to be doing everything possible to hasten it's economic decline.

Honoring "promises", "trading partners", NAFTA, European Union, etc, are among a list of failed economic agendas. Sorry, but it's a dog eat dog world and business climate out there. In a very competitive economic environment, why give the competition an edge? Look at China-they haven't and probably won't give up any advantages. In fact, the playing field is so skewed in their favor starting a business there is the beginning and end of it. To open a business there-seems like a good idea when one factors in their import tariffs-this business must adopt a Chinese "counterpart" and share all technologies and processes with the Chinese. Soon the counterpart branches off and becomes your government subsidized competitor. The game they play with the yuan makes it extremely difficult to compete in markets to which the Chinese export. Fair? Hell no. Effective? Hell yes.

mrd — September 25, 2011 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — September 25, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.

*a similar number at this point in the contest to many past winners.*

Well, first I'd like to see the historical data on that. Plus we need to consider that the 'election campaign cycle' has certainly been pushed further forward since, oh say, when the first Romney ran.

The media however reports this as an insurmountable deficit.

Partially accurate; look at his own reporting - - also shows a bunch of 7's (and a smattering of 14's).

This - - also sheds some light on the reason for why R.Paul isn't considered a viable R. contender.

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*No, I don't think a return to either a gold or tulip standard is particularly a good idea,*

You might enjoy this:

mr_basil_seal — September 25, 2011 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

i luv it! I'm going to have a tea-bagger read my palm tomorrow to see if I should dump everything I've got into chocolate. But, as with all commodities, after the gamblers, er, I mean speculators have driven up the prices with artificial demand, I'll be stuck with a bunch of chocolate to eat. Not such a bad thing...

mrd — September 25, 2011 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

From the C-Tran forum...

*It is the name calling and belittling that you, "elisi", and a few others take part in that mucks things up in the basement.I just asked if you could tone it down a little...that's all. Political Correctness has nothing to do with it.
Treating others as you want to be treated has everything to do with it.
Grow up or shut up. It matters not to me which one.
nailingit — September 24, 2011 at 2:28 p.m*

Oh nailingit you never cease to amaze others.. an adult stooping so low as excuse others of exactly what they themselves do... simply remarkable. Juvenile thinking at its best.
To bring my name up makes me laugh, yes it truly does since in the past week I have posted a total of about maybe 12 times, in the last 2 days nothing. How many have you posted? How many times have you tried to "muck" things up with your attacks of insults, name calling...
If you actually think that others should follow you lock in step in your beliefs, do have a lot to learn.
Grow up or shut up? Sounds like "gavel down" all over again.
Last time I checked, I'm female, free American and well over 21, don't answer to anyone, not even you nailingit. Don't like what I post, then I suggest you hit the "ignore user" button..and as far as " treating others like one wants to be treated" Seems you need to take your own advice nailingit, pot calling kettle black ..

ELISI — September 25, 2011 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Check out 'Education Nation' on MSNBC today. Good stuff.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — September 25, 2011 at 9:24 a.m.

LOL mrd!!!!!!! Will you have a chocolate party?

ELISI — September 25, 2011 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It is amazing how the conversation has changed so much in our country. Public employees have been vilified, while corporate profits are lionized. Teachers deserve much respect, and making sure they have more than adequate resources go a long way.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think it's not all teachers but we as parents have become upset with some that should not be teaching anymore and then the administrations which are so top heavy. Look at all the middel schools and high schools here in VSD. Our HS administartion has admitted they are more about baby sitting and "getting kids htrough" whether they deserve to or not. The counselors and Admin also feel like HS secuirty cops. So much waste at the school it's just rediculous. How can we cut so many positions 16.5 at the main office and still do what we were doing last few years, now thats FAT, no PORK..

I also think that if you can make a dime go for it, but corporations all of them, need to be paying taxes, no more brakes.. I wonder if Mr Madore is getting tax breaks..Hum?

vanwadreamer — September 25, 2011 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer- I agree that if you can make a dime (and then some) go for it. Corporations receive benefits in regards to so many things, from using public roads to hiring workers who benefitted from public Ed, and all things in between and around. It's more than troubling that Corporations receive additional incentives to invest here, then advocate publicly against revenue to maintain and improve our community.

And some in the good name of Jesus!

No easy fix to systemic problems. But no question we need the funding to provide resources to improve. Our society is rapidly changing. Imagine facing 30 students loaded down with every imaginable media resource available to them, to include social networking. Imagine facing 30 students who are living at poverty level and gang violence every day. Focus is an ever changing situation. Teachers, at every level have a very challenging job in front of them. They should be paid well, and be looked up to in our communities. Imho.

Waste needs to be targeted and removed. That is ongoing in any business structure. With public Ed the measure isn't $$$ and cents. It's dollars and sense. :)

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 11:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer- Check out/DVR Education Nation on MSNBC. Eye opening and informative. A great format with Brian Williams hosting leading educators and taking questions from the audience.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I believe nailingit has decided to appoint (or perhaps anoint?) itself as moderator of the basement forums.

Also from the same source you referenced -

"Mr. Leavitt is a real person. Not just an avatar. I suggest you show just a small amount of decency on this forum. Your name calling and sarcasm have no place here. Vote against Mr. Leavitt in the next election if you will but please, your vitriol is boring and improper."

It's OK for nailingit to make snide comments about teabaggers, Republicans, and anyone on this forum that it disagrees with, though.


roger — September 25, 2011 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Referencing and insulting a political movement is a little different from targeted personal attacks...don't you think? Ask for a "small amount of decency" after reading personal attacks against our Mayor, and this is what you get! LOL! Why don't you reference the personal attack when criticizing me?

Slow day?

You used to sound half way reasonable roger...but I always knew you had it in you.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And please "man up" a little, and address me if you have a problem with what I say.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 12:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I did address you - earlier this past week. Back when you decided to take it on yourself to tell Goldie she shouldn't be discussing C-Tran on this forum as one was created for that purpose. Remember?

And, to refresh your memory, there's also a forum for discussing politics - "From budgets and deficit spending to health care and immigration. This is the place to talk politics." Remember that one? You made the last comment - back on July 15.

So please explain why it's OK to discuss those topics here, but not other ones?

As for my sounding half way reasonable, and the follow-on "...but I always knew you had it in you." - yes, I am very capable of being a total ass when I feel it's called for. To this point I haven't. But I don't care for pretentious fools, which I'm starting to think of you as being.

So, have I made myself clear enough for you now?

roger — September 25, 2011 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 12:26...Not really roger. I referenced your comment at 12:03. July't the forums shifted since then?*

Again, it's fine by me if you feel it's necessary to speak of.... anything you wish. And again a reminder that the Columbian has devoted a forum/forums to the subject matter/matters in which you speak. i.e. CRC forum, C-Tran and all things transit.

*Nothing to do with being a "total ass". That was clearly in the cards by your own admission. It had to do with your need to attack when unprovoked, without merit or consideration for the subject matter at hand. Sorry that a call for common decency and a request that the vitriol be kept to a minimum has upset you so much.

Did you get a chance to check out 'Education Nation' on MSNBC? Good stuff.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


One might say that your comments made to Goldie on the C-Tran forum were also unnecessary, unprovoked, or whatever. That young lady and I don't agree on much - beyond believing that we're being taken to the poorhouse by ICC and others with their CRC and C-Tran planning - but I will come to her defense when her right to speak her mind is being challenged. (Alleycat is on his own - which is how he prefers it.)

No - I missed Education Nation. I support teachers and their right to strike. (Perhaps my own guilt from making their lives miserable way back when.) I hold the point of view that people in this country expect them to turn out educated young adults, but barely fulfill their own parental responsibilities of working in partnership with teachers to get there. And I'd also support VSD paraprofessional and administrative employees if they elect to strike. (What came of that vote of no confidence?)

I'm also of the opinion that our education system's focus needs to change. As someone here (or somewhere) noted recently, they're teaching to passing a test. They need to get back to building a solid 3R's foundation, and then branch into developing critical thinking skills. Take the damned computers away; make the kids learn to write and work scientific calculations longhand. (I'd say bring slide rules back, but that's probably too harsh.) My point is that they need to learn how to learn - that way they can keep up as adults.

What I do like is Evergreen's satellite school being built that's geared to the health services professions. Maybe we'll have someone from Vancouver find the cure for one of the cancers, or for one of the many other physical afflictions that plague us.

roger — September 25, 2011 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I happened to glance at The Columbian's 360 Marketplaces and saw an ad for Los Jalapenos, on 117th Ave and 99th Street. Good food there at reasonable prices, and everyone is very friendly.

roger — September 25, 2011 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Thanks for the tip on Jalapenos! I'll check it out.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Rant, Rant, Rant.....

If anybody is interested in the BIG job fair put on by our own Jamie, here is a link to the attendants. I see about 100 jobs (more or less) available. Lots of luck.

hawkeye — September 25, 2011 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of Jaime (and why does she have a guy's name?) --

I got a flyer from her in the mail. She wants to hear from ME!! But only by checking the block on a few topics - no space on the card for comments.

The main theme this time is that she'll protect Seniors - even if it requires standing up against members of her own party and voting against a deficit reduction plan that would have failed to protect the benefits of Washington seniors.

The plan she supports preserves all Social Security benefits and cost of living increases. She opposes efforts to privatize the system or to raise the retirement age to 70. And she notes that seniors have spent a lifetime earning this benefit. My only real disagreement here is that the retirement age should be raised - 65 is no longer too old to work.

She wants to preserve Medicare for those currently 55 or over, and to provide the same health care options to those under 55 as "enjoyed" by Congress (and federal employees). I'm not certain about this. It'll place health care back in the private sector, subject to federal controls on costs. (Controls currently, anyhow.) Here's a link to the Heritage Foundation that does a pretty good job covering the subject. What they don't say is the cost. Currently, the majority of the federal workforce subscribes to a Blue Cross Blue Shield family plan that runs about $1200.00 per year. Considering that Medicare Part B has a similar cost, and the prescription drug coverage and access to service is nowhere near as good, this sounds like a good exchange.

She's also got a blurb that she'll support a responsible deficit reduction plan that focuses on reducing the federal civilian workforce, bans earmark spending, eliminates waste and fraud, and reduces subsidies for large companies and ends corporate welfare.

Offhand, it sounds good, but will never fly with today's crowd in DC. I wonder if her voting record will/does support these claims? And if it does, then is she planning on RNC support come election time? Or is this just possibly a realization by mainstream Repubs that it's time to marginalize the Tea Party if they plan on maintaining any sort of relevance with working class America?

roger — September 25, 2011 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Nailingit...

TWICE I have asked you questions on the C-Tran forum in which were direct questions regarding C-Tran, yet all you could muster up on the forum was your vitriol and belittling of another person commenting. Seems a bit trollish, Nailingit....actually, quite trollish in fact. Care to head back to the C-Tran Forum and engage in subject matter that has everything to do with C-Tran rather than your personal vendetta to discredit my comments? I've waited since yesterday afternoon and I see you are commenting here.

Or are you just trolling on the C?

You moved my discussion regarding C-Tran over to the C-Tran forum, then you took the opportunity to go on the attack. You do your fair share, bud. You aren't innocent of the very accusations you spill on me...not by far! You are trying so hard to claim I'm asking for civil discourse and again, you are far off target. I'm ASKING FOR OUR MAYOR TO DO WHAT HE WAS HIRED TO DO!!!

You think our Mayor and member of C-Tran's Board of Directors hasn't heard what I said on there? You think that reduces any respect others have for me on here or in the community? I'm just saying what they're thinking, Nailingit. Even in Lou's column, he describes distinctly the problem of communication...let alone face to face with the mayor. Doesn't that tell you something, Nailingit?

.. you feel the City of Vancouver iis any better than it was when Mayor Pollard ran the show? If so, would you please clue me in on FACTS!

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just to refresh your mind,'s the list of questions I asked to discuss with you on the C-Tran Forum. I'll be checking in on the C-Tran Forum for your response...or here on the OPEN forum:

*So nailingit, what is your take on the bus rapid transit corridor? What improvements would you like to see along Fourth Plain Road?

What suggestions do you have for saving money for our transit company? How can traffic mobility be improved with the reduction of one lane each direction?

How safe will it be for the pedestrians if they go ahead with the design element of transit stations in the medians?

Does C-tran need to continue investing in Hybrid Buses, given the fact that they will never pay for themselves?

How can the elderly and physically challenged be best served by C-Tran?

Are there routes which could be scaled back an a connector bus for select times be implemented at an additional fee to those few who would otherwise lose out on the loss of their routes?*

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie, you fight like my wife. She'll say when we get home, we're going to discuss such and such. Then, a split second later, I get both barrels.

roger — September 25, 2011 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- As stated, I was just checking the C-Tran forum for some info. I have no desire to answer your questions. Your demanding and bullying tone has no place with me. I had no idea a request for "a small measure of decency" would send you into a never ending tirade! "vitriol and belittling", "personal vendetta to discredit my statements", sigh...taking yourself too seriously is one thing, but.....I'll be kind and say it is a bit over the top!

Who do you like as a presidential candidate? What about Perry...isn't he a hoot?

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I don't think the Tea Party will be marginalized before they can be cajoled into endorsing one of the Republican Candidates. That's probably when Romney will marginalize them by moving closer to the center to win the general election.

The Tea "Party" is a "misnomer." Just a movement within the Republican/Independent parties. They most closely resemble the Moral Majority in dedication and focus, except now that economic issues have arisen, all the moral stuff takes a back seat. Kind of exposes where the real priorities are. They really don't care about Michelle Baughmann's antigay crusade, compared to the money issues. Maybe that's why she has dropped out of contention.

mangoboy — September 25, 2011 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mangoboy- I thought scandal would de-rail Perry. I didn't realize all he had to do was open his mouth at a debate! This tea party (imo) is just rehashed Perot crap.

That moral stuff is on a back burner (to some degree) for the debates. With legislation and policies that have been enacted in many states against abortion and support of DOMA, the moral majority is still very powerful, and is making it's screeching voice heard. Bachman and Perry are being outdistanced because of their absolute buffoonery on the national stage. Imho.

The right is still looking for a candidate that marries corporate power with a conservative brain. I don't think it will happen. Romney's close, but he's got that ol' God thing wrong for the base!

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney is like the Al Gore of the Republican Party. Kind of odd and clumsy, but he is persistent and has gotten better as a candidate, unlike many of the perennials who bring out the same shtick. If the American people can elect an African Hawaiian, its not too much of a stretch to Mormonism. And he could quite possibly beat Obama.

mangoboy — September 25, 2011 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Can the RNC powers afford to wait until the GOP primary? The Pres is doing a good job of selling that The House is being held captive by the Tea Party Reps and their unwillingness to negotiate or compromise - hence the ratings. The Pres is seen as a victim; weak and ineffective. He is definitely ripe for the kill. But almost no one likes The House; they've managed to attain the lowest approval ratings in history.

I agree that Romney is their best chance of winning the generals. I'm thinking the RNC was hoping Gov Christie would change his mind and run, but I also think Christie won't make this move unless there's a popular outcry for him - which isn't there.

roger — September 25, 2011 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree mangoboy. Good analogy! I thought they should have run Romney in 08'. But with the good ol' boy system in the GOP, it was not meant to be. It's seems to be all about messaging. Obama's done what he can to destroy his own, while Romney, like most will say anything to appease the voter. I even heard him mention the middle class, in passing, during the last debate! Amazing! He could beat Obama. But I don't think the conservative base will run to the polls in 2012 to vote for a Mormon. Most Christians seem to think Mormonism is a cult, and a product of the devil! Might be hard for them to color in that Romney square!

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So nailingit, what type of information were you seeking on the C-Tran Forum? I'm well versed in the subject of C-Tran and the Fourth Plain Corridor. I most likely would have been able to answer your question. Did you find what you were looking for? You say you have no desire to answer my questions. Why is that, nailingit? Isn't this a community discussion forum? I'll tell you what. You asked me who I like as a presidential candidate and I'll answer you once you have answered my questions I'd listed at 3:54 pm and in this post. After all, that's what the discussion forums are for...right???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 25, 2011 at 5:51 p.m

Ron Paul is the best chance to win the general.

frobert — September 25, 2011 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 25, 2011 at 4:27 p.m.

Roger, regarding the resemblance of argument structure between your wife and myself...great minds think alike, lol. She must be quite an independent thinker as I am, huh!

I find it interesting that nobody has come out and answered my question regarding our mayor at 3:45 pm. I'm still waiting on that one as well as the answers from someone who decided they had to play hall monitor on another forum which brought it to attention here on the Open Forum.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I was in Korea so I didn't hear a lot, but I got the impression Ross Peroit was a one-issue candidate - that NAFTA and other free trade agreements would allow overseas corporations to flood our markets with cheap goods. That the great "sucking sound" was caused by jobs leaving this country. If so, he almost got it right. Much of the cheap import goods may come from China, but a lot also comes from our own corporations that moved their operations to take advantage of less regulation and a dirt poor labor pool.

roger — September 25, 2011 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No specific info goldenoldie. Just how projects related are progressing. Believe me, from now on I will use a different source for info on transit. I asked you about Perry hoping it would give you a different focus. So much for that. Continue to badger if you will, but it's already really, really old.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'd vote for Michael Bloomberg, if he decided to save the Republican presidential race.

All of my Democratic NYC-livin' friends voted for him. He is a fantastic leader. But, like Romney, there is that religion thing that scares the undereducated and information phobic away......

manthou — September 25, 2011 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 25, 2011 at 3:08 p.m.

Roger, you can bet she is going to want and use the help of the RNC AND Boehner in her re-election, especially when she is having that fund raising thing at Hannah's house with Boehner. If she is really going to try to further her agenda like she says, it seems like she sending different signals to different people.

hawkeye — September 25, 2011 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 25, 2011 at 6:09 p.m.

There is also the fact that he is not a republican.

frobert — September 25, 2011 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ross was pretty special, with that down home texas straight talk. Some of his points are well taken. But it's the idea that government can and should be run as a corporation. Given the customer base...pretty hard to do. I looked at Wiki to refresh my memory...and oh yes...the paranoia! From Woody Harrelson's dad to Cuban hit squads, it was quite the show. He also made huge amounts of money from the healthcare industry, and I remember much talk about ethics or lack of them.

manthou- I like Bloomberg also. During the mosque debacle is when he really got my attention, he stood strong and was principled. The God thing is tough. Imagine being a devout Republican baptist, and have to choose between Obama and the devil!

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Actually nailingit, you DID answer one question and that was your curiosity of how projects related are progressing. Would this link help you?

The project will not progress till the need for community input has been satisfied. Why do you think I was asking you those questions, Nailingit? The folks at C-Tran ARE reading the forum and public input comes from all directions. Is there a reason why you fear answering those questions? I thought it would have been good discussion. ANYBODY...FEEL FREE TO ANSWER OR TO ASK THE QUESTIONS!!! IT'S OUR TAXES PAYING FOR C-TRAN. Wouldn't you want your money be put to good use rather than on the folly of a select few???

As far as Perry or any other politician running for President and my opinion regarding how I feel about them...

It's not your business who I like or dislike. I haven't been in the discussion regarding the current presidential hopefuls or our current president, but I'm sure you're quite aware of that already, right Nailingit??? If I so choose to engage in the discussion regarding the politicians...I'll gladly go to the Political Forum. You know Nailingit...the Forum designated for POLITICAL DISCUSSION. Maybe you should take that discussion to THAT forum instead. You've recommended I move to another forum regarding I'm recommending where you can go. :]]

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I've a couple of thoughts on C-Tran's BRT.

IF they would run BRT across the new bridge instead of light rail, then it could make sense. It would justify not only a commuter route down Fourth Plain, but also one from Salmon Creek, and maybe from a couple of other locations. But that won't happen, because Oregon (Portland) wouldn't agree to the new bridge without putting MAX into Vancouver.

I'm not entirely sold on David Madore's counterargument that hybrid buses are not more economical that diesel due to the outrageous battery replacement costs. His is the same concern that I have with the Ford Fusion hybrids. This is one very nice compact car, but the 6 year battery warranty and the current $5K plus replacement cost for it is scaring me off. Especially since I could get the same car as a straight fuel driven vehicle for about $8K less. But who's to say that batteries won't become cheaper when they finally die - probably quite a bit beyond the warranty expiration date on the average? If Ford can get their hybrid to catch on (and it is considered probably the best out there), then increased production should drive battery cost down.

And I remain highly skeptical that Dick Hannah is taking this Fourth Plain corridor to Van Mall plan lying down. Or will they get a sweet land deal somewhere further east, with a few million in costs transferred to us?

OK, that was a few - not a couple.

roger — September 25, 2011 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro @ 5:58....Kind of a stretch. But the Republicans can and have done worse.

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Aw screw it, I'm voting for George Clooney!

hawkeye — September 25, 2011 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Actually Roger, I believe Madore was speaking of the funding to purchase the hybrid buses and the end cost versus benefit as well as maintenance and operations. As far as the Dick Hannah Dealerships are concerned...that thought could go both ways.

Now as far as the BRT crossing the bridge, that's always been my number ONE supporting idea with regards to the replacement. I have felt from day one that buses are much more effective in transit mobility to Portland than any train to a dead end in Vancouver which would be in connection with the proposed minor league baseball stadium and parking garage. I still fail to see where that would be any kind of incentive for Oregonians to come to Vancouver when they have a Major League Soccer Team and NBA Basketball team as well as an international raceway.

It is obvious that there is a certain agenda by the select group of businessmen who have vested interests in the projects at hand and to "aich ee double toothpicks" with the taxpayers.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye...I was leaning towards Jon Stewart (oops, I gave it away).

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'd buy a Clooney/Stewart ticket.

hawkeye — September 25, 2011 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sounds good to me, Hawk. If that didn't fly, there's always Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2011 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hi, frobert! Well, Bloomberg ran as a Republican in 2001 and then left the party to become an Independent in 2007.

He was a Democrat before 2001, for sure.

Whatever the label, I like his leadership.

manthou — September 25, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 25, 2011 at 7:30 p.m.

Changing core philosophy based on what is most likely to get him elected, doesn't in my opinion, qualify as leadership.

frobert — September 25, 2011 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 6:28 p.m

Obama gained much support from younger voters with his statements concerning closing Guantanamo, ending the wars, letting the Patriot act expire and decriminalization of marijuana, Paul could gain these votes. Paul has been consistent in his views and does not change them to get elected, so with the exception of the Patriot act, the rest fall under executive authority and would end soon.

frobert — September 25, 2011 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro @ 8:16...I agree to an extent. Obama let em down before, why would they believe Paul? The youth movement I'm sure relate and care about issues mentioned. I don't think Paul could bring most back. The age and charisma gap. But if the messaging is good as well as boots on the ground, who knows? All of a sudden Obama's a Progressive! I like it. Now if he can get a little more liberalism in his blood he'll go somewhere. If he would just keep his promises. Instead of 2010 being a referendum towards 2008 Obama policies, it was a referendum towards his broken and skewed promises in which he didn't deliver. i.e. some of those you mentioned. No leadership. Most of us got that message. Somehow those around Obama in the WH didn't quite get it, and steered right. Out of touch. Maybe Oprah had a talk with him!

I like him this last week or so. I don't know how long it will last, so I'll ride the wave while it's there!

nailingit — September 25, 2011 at 10:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, your silence is golden when it comes to discussion on C-Tran. Your obvious little game failed. It's fine that you don't respond. I could care less. It's obvious you didn't even have the decency to respond to my sharing of a link for which I thought would help. You have clearly provided evidence to everyone what your intentions in discussions with me are on the C. Nice little virtual self inflicted-wound you gave yourself in the cyber world, nail. Anything you attempt in discussion regarding our little whatever you want to call is for naught.

goldenoldie — September 26, 2011 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 26, 2011 at 7:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting response at 12:37. An outing of sorts.

nailingit — September 26, 2011 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...correction 10:37.

nailingit — September 26, 2011 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You forgot who you were! LOL!

nailingit — September 26, 2011 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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