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Hawkeye - RE: MB; I see what happened. He blocked me on facebook. I gather he doesn't know I can turn it off and read his comments.

And a parting sinking ship/rowboat comment to dear Goldie (and anyone else).

Men are, by nature, problem solvers. When there are serious problems, men put aside their differences and fix whatever is wrong.

Women are, by nature, problem analyzers. They like to discuss problems from every angle, over and over and over.

So, when the ship goes down and we have one lifeboat, All Aboard. (We can toss a line over the side for nailingit to hold onto, seeing as how he doesn't want in the boat.) Men will row. If we're going in circles - we'll get there eventually.

Meanwhile - the women can talk about why the boat sunk.

Off to work!!!

roger — April 16, 2012 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Thank you for your generosity. :)

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Some after work reading. I think an assault on more than half our countries citizens individual liberty/freedom trumps job numbers any day. If anything, job numbers & gas prices are the smoke screen for this much larger issue. This op-ed from Senator Boxer sums it up quite well. I wish there were more women that would take this issue up that post here. A huge perspective is lost.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75143.html

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

It's OK, when it's your turn to row, I'll trade places with you in the water. I will need a line to hold on to since I'm not a great swimmer but that's OK too. Hey, a life jacket would be nice.

BTW, good morning to the basement, we all survived Friday the 13th, April 2012!

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks hawk! You'll most likely need a respite from the independents dictating survival procedures and from the Republicans deciding who will survive! :))

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My last competition number was 13 (motorcycle roadracing).

Last Friday my son-in-law brought me a new cordless drill, a 5th of tequila and also filled my propane tank. After filling the tank he grilled up a mess of carne asada. Yum.

Yep, I survived. ...didn't even awake with a hangover on the 14th! Heh!

As far as that life boat goes... sure ya'll wouldn't be needing a Cap'n? ;^)

Drift — April 16, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So far you have the best resume' Cap! I'd love to have a son-in-law like yours...

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — April 16, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.

13 huh? I actually don't remember my number. I think it was 43 at Sidewinders. It was on a 250 Greeves 2 stroke. Fast, loud and hot.

Sounds like you survived as well, as for a Capt, I don't know. Maybe we'll put it up to a vote.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Cap'n, hawk. Not "Capt." Capt. could have me brought up on charges of impersonating an officer! We wouldn't want that!

Now that I think on it... ya'll 'prolly be better off with a navigator.

Greeves two smoke? Dating yourself a bit, eh? Heh.

Drift — April 16, 2012 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think we would throw out the neutral people with their annoying neutralness.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think the youngest members of the forum should be allowed onto the boat first of course, and Fro would make sure he was the first chucked overboard. He can't take orders, he would be paddling in the wrong direction just to defy Captain Drift.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 10:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, you truly made me laugh today. Your comment at 6:35 this morning clearly illustrates an example of the problems of communication between men and women, even if it is in jest. Now before you get your dander up, thinking I'm being some PMS'y woman suffering the ills of menopause...that my dear friend is not the case here. This is all in fun, of course.

So now you're probably wondering what I speak of...I hope I have your attention as I tell you...it wasn't a man who came up with the initial idea of throwing our fellow forum follower a life ring when he stated he'd go down with the sinking ship. Just take a peek at last weeks forum, April 15, 2012 at 7:17 p.m. Problem analyzer??? Not exactly. More like someone who would be taking the proactive approach and offering my assistance. So when you have that life boat going around in circles...going nowhere...and you "guys" think you have things under control...don't be surprised if I take hold of the "extra oar" and redirect the rowboat to safer waters, okay!!!

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Age before beauty???

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 10:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I just reread the comments this morning and am really, really cracking up. So Roger...who is it that is doing all the analyzing in the life boat? You guys can't even decide a Captain of the life boat. I'd figure Cap'n Drift without a vote. It's in his name on his web, you know. Besides...we might get to one of his barbecues when the Carne Asada's grillin' once we're ashore!!!

I'm not much for a lot of sun so...could I borrow the Captain's hat???

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen, I would think it would depend on just how YOUNG they are. If you are talking 5 or 6 years old then yes. If you are talking late teens then...

Children, elderly and frail, then women, then first come. Of course those younger ones will want to show just how much energy they have by rowing longer that the older ones.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro...the neutral people with all their *"neutralness"* (a new word of the day???) would keep the boat in balance, lol.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Cap'n Drift - Goldie for Boats?

roger — April 16, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, at least we now have something we can all argue about!!

Cap'n Drift - how many can a lifeboat hold? It's starting to get crowded!

roger — April 16, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.

"(a new word of the day???)"

I can't claim that word, I heard it on an episode of Futurama.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Of course I would help row...
By the way I have a great deal of sailing experience having grown up on the Bay of Fundy, Halifax, and Maine. I also earned my kayaking, sailing, canoeing, and astronomy badges in girl scouts and know how to make prison wine so I have a lot to offer this expedition.

Cause let's face it, this group is going to kill each other after a day or so if we don't get some liquor on board.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Somebody needs to take charge in here for Christs sake!**

roger- You're in charge of the galley. Consult Drift for proper spice/additives.

Drift- You're in charge of agriculture. Just in case we are afloat a month or two.

goldenoldie- You're in charge of food distribution/preservation.

hawk- You're in charge of problem solving/common sense proposals.

manthou- You're in charge of subject matter, as this scenario has energized the basement.

frobro- You're in charge of steering the ship/or anything else that will distract.

Gen- You're in charge of my well being and the liquor cabinet. :)

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well I'll be the first to say i should beif not the last person on board the first male of procreating age as we'll need to populate the "new Order World". I'll also be in charge of the LIQUOR and ICE...LOL...Did I really say new World Order... OMG...

vanwadreamer — April 16, 2012 at 11:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


We will need a flare gun and shark repellant. Those **should** be built into the boat.

VanWa, so this means you and Gen are going to re-populate the "New World"? I'm thinking I'm out since I got snipped years ago. Of course, I don't know the viability of anyone else, you'all can figure that out. That would be out of my "problem solving" duties.

Oh, and a fishing pole might help.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Before discussing re-population, you people should keep in mind that Gen's gun toting redneck dad is on the boat.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hmmm lets leave the procreation issue alone, I don't think the world needs anymore basement dwellers running around...

Here's the real question how should resources be distributed? Should they be the property of who ever brings them on the ship or should they become community property. Maybe we should draw a line down the middle of the ship and put all the "Conservatives" on one side since I'm sure they will whine about redistribution of wealth and have all the more liberal minded individuals on the other side where they can pool their resources. It could be like a sort of contest to see who survives longer.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL you guys crack me up!

Love the chat!
If I were to pick a role in and out of the life boat, it would be medical. Since I am a PN, I'd be the one to come to to have anything stitched, etc. So make sure a medical bag full of supplies are on board!

In my spare time when not taking care of bumps and bruises I'd be helping Golden in the food dept. After spending many summers helping both sets of my grandparents on their farms, cooking since I was 12..dang that's almost 50 yrs..I think between Golden and I, we could whip up some marvelous healthy meals for all.

Oh Hawkeye my yes, a fishing pole, and don't forget twine! Twine can be used to make nets as well as traps!

ELISI — April 16, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Pshhh! Elisi, I can give stitches! All you need is a needle, some unflavored dental floss, the basic knowledge of how to do a blanket stitch or some duct tape.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Das Boot:
Please all be aware that I am in overall charge of the whole crew. I do not understand why there was even a discussion.
I will give everyone their orders and you will all work well together.
That's just the way it is.
Complainers will be swimming.

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Genevieve,

This is true, glue works well also....;)

ELISI — April 16, 2012 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I guess luvithere has answered the original question of who goes overboard first.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi, True! Gotta make sure to bring some superglue! I'm sure Drift can contribute a bit to the medical department as well, from what I hear he is very knowledgeable when it comes to homeopathic remedies for back pain, migraines, glaucoma etc.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 12:50 p.m

You know, if you want to be "in charge", ***you have to be at all the meetings!***

It doesn't look good for you so far.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 1:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Uh Gen, doesn't that create a "munchie" situation? With limited food supplies, that could cause problems.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 1:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Coconuts man, we are going to have to land the life boat on a desert island sooner or later, that's just how it works.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 1:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cause lets face it Hawk, nobody is sending a search party after us! The best we are going to get is a drunken Allan crashing a plane into our island.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***IN OTHER NEWS***

Fro, wasn't it you that complained about nailingit's reference sites? This is for you.

2012 Pulitzer Prize Winners Announced

The New York Times won two Pulitzer Prizes on Monday, one for its reporting on Africa and another for an investigative series on obscure tax code provisions that allow wealthy corporations and citizens to avoid paying taxes. But the bigger surprise this year came from new media. Online news outlets The Huffington Post and Politico both won their first Pulitzer Prizes, a sign of the changing media landscape.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Geeze, I'll bet that hurts..

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 1:17 p.m

Pulitzer prize only proves that they are liberal rags.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It was an enjoyable discussion this morning...but this afternoon???

PRICELESS!!!

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Nailingit, you definitely pegged our strengths! Does that mean I won't be helping row the boat???

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Hawkeye, there won't be a shortage of food. It's amazing what can be done with seaweed. Guess before I get on any boat, my super duper, compact emergency preparedness kit will be strapped around my waist. Should include a magnifying glass to heat up those fancy meals on the boat ya know!

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So folks...what about Matt??? He'll be looking for us...won't he??? Well...won't he??? And Lou...He's let us flounder around this long in the whine cellar without saying too much lately. You think he'd just be watchin' us the whole time as we float along in that life boat??? (hehehehe...Lou, you know I'm just teasin'!!!)

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 1:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL Golden, Matt might be happy to get rid of all of us...on second thought...naw.. what would the basement be with each of us?

22 bricks left to go and the garden patio will be finished..boy will I be glad.. won't have to wash the dogs paws every time she goes out and back in...then the fun part, getting all my veggies planted.

ELISI — April 16, 2012 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk, I am a force fo nature and the DETerminator, I am in charge and that's all there is to.

Fro-so if a newspaper or online pub gets a Pulitzer, they have to be a liberal rag? Where do you come up with that stuff?

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Read where Romney had his "open mic moment" at a Florida fundraiser, at least that's how the article was titled, but it seemed to be a lame connection.

Enyhoo, seems Mitt wants to eliminate or consolidate the Dept of Education and HUD. No wonder there, but good luck. He did, to his credit, remember the names of the departments.

It did puzzle me how Romney can eliminate deductions and his GOP buddies don't crings, after all, these guys have stated closing loopholes is a tax increase and they won't hear of it, the Norquist Pledge, apparently. Seems weird a politician would sign a binding pledge and remove all bi-partisianship, compromise, and negotiation off the table, but hey, these guys are pros, right?

What Obama and the GOPers are really dancing around in this tax inequality BS is HOW the really rich structure their money. They dump it into appreciating assets, where it appreciates tax free. They borrow, yup borrow, money for expenses. Better tax options and deductions. When they croak, assets are used to pay off the debts, and the appreciated assets are passed on-TAX FREE-to their heirs who play the same game. Neat trick, huh? Hear any talk of taxing the appreciation on those assets or taxing the heirs when they get control of those assets? Nope, and you won't, because, well, as we all know, taxes are for the little guys. Romney received a contribution of $10M from a single donor at the end of last year courtesy of United Citizens. Think our politicians are really going to put a damper on those kinda folks? Me neither.

mrd — April 16, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie/ELISI, I would most definitely rescue the forum members.

Then I would put you all on your own island and come by once a month to make sure you have food and water.

Kidding! Promise!

Matt Wastradowski — April 16, 2012 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Nailingit, you definitely pegged our strengths! Does that mean I won't be helping row the boat???*

Naw goldenoldie. I think some should get a pass and attend to their strengths. Just keeping the food supply safe would be a full time job! Mary-Ann and I will tend bar and...I mean Gen, and I will take care of liquid refreshments and.....coconut distribution!

hawk @ 1:17 & luvit @ 2:17- It's what I meant when I stated awhile back that a source doesn't matter to many on the right. They would take the latest Fox news Alert over what they consider the"lame stream media". (Which is any publication that doesn't bend hard right.) Something the bagger Palin help coin after she was embarrassed with her own self-imposed illiteracy.

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 3:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal



i definitely get a place in the boat. i've done so much with so little for so long that i now can do anything with nothing.

SOMEBODY has to provide replacements for the basics; water filtering, heat, needles, sewing materials for shelter, traps for food, ways to fish w/o gear, etc.

i'm a shoo-in.

and matt, when you check on us, make sure it's BEFORE i've devised a trap for YOU. gotta have something ta trade, ya know :P)

DeeLittle — April 16, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Conservative Scholar: Supreme Court Should Uphold Obamacare
**The Huffington Post** :) | By Mike Sacks

Yet another prominent conservative legal scholar has stepped forward to urge the Supreme Court to uphold health care reform as firmly within the court's precedents.

In a column published on The New Republic's website, Henry Paul Monaghan, a professor of constitutional law at Columbia Law School, applauded the Supreme Court's conservative justices for their aggressive questioning of Solicitor General Donald Verrilli during oral arguments three weeks ago, but went on to "submit that sustaining the mandate would not give rise to the justices' fears of boundless federal authority."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/supreme-court-health-care-henry-paul-monaghan_n_1429228.html

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow! I have had fun seeing where our life boat fantasy took y'all today! Too fun!

Nailingit: Remember our other fantasy about Dennis Kucinich moving to WA State? The dream is still alive. He wants to hear from us, Yea or Nay: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/04/rep_dennis_kucinich_polls_supp.html

If he moves here (he does own property here) before mid May, he can run. How about the 3rd District?

manthou — April 16, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt, as long as you bring plenty of Dutch chocolate, and cinnamon rolls with each visit you can put us on an island...**;)**

ELISI — April 16, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt;
Once a month, really..Thats it..Your on here a little more often than that and we might need some "Seperatin" if ya know what I mean.:)
MRD,
While I can't barrow money for expenses, yep sm bus owner, It's very hard today getting a small bus laon....I can invest serval ways, whichever tax wise is better for me, Just using todays tax laws as well as anyone can, some can just do it to Giagantic porportions like MR Romney and others. Until they change the tax codes which I'm all in favor utilize whatever means one can....

vanwadreamer — April 16, 2012 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Pat Campbell threw his hat in the ring against Madore and Boldt for CC Commissioner.

Curiouser and curiouser.......

manthou — April 16, 2012 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 4:11- It seems some of the Dem powers that be don't think it's a good idea. I don't know. I like the guy and the conversation he brings. He is a lightning rod. Not knowing all the nuances involved with State politics, if he had our States best interests in mind and could win...I say go for it!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2017991180_dennis_kucinich_polls_local_su.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/dennis-kucinich-washington-democratic-chair_n_1428239.html?ref=politics

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 4:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 3:56 p.m

I don't see anything in his writings to confirm his "conservative " status, or is the moniker being solely based on his support of Robert Bork?

He famously penned a paper critical of "activist judges" using the Constitution to expand individual rights. This paper in and of itself places him firm in the liberal category. Remember, a true conservative promotes individual rights and responsibilities.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 4:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You guys are a hoot! I've been sitting here GOL (giggling) over your "boat" posts. Most excellent!

I believe I'll wipe the tears from my eyes and go pitch a game of shoes with the neighbor. You know, being all "social" and all. *snicker/snort*

;^)

Drift — April 16, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Frobert...did you see the article about the "children" robbing a 34-year-old woman at gunpoint??? This is exactly what I've been talking about with regards to labeling a 17 year old a child. Yes, their bodies haven't fully matured but unfortunately, they've had to do a little growing up...most likely on their own...probably with no guidance. Unfortunately though...they think they're too "*growed up*" and did the unthinkable. That is...if they're found guilty.

These times...they are a changin'!!!

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So I see the life boat is still afloat! Good to see it!

So Matt, rather than trying to help us get back to the mainland...you'd dump us on an island away from the mainland??? Is there a parallel message there...OR...is it the fact that we've been able for the most part, to hold our own in the forum??? You could join us on the island if you wanted!!! Nothing better than one of my coconut cream pies!!! If there's some limes on the island as well...maybe a Key Lime pie as well???

For the pie plates...we could salvage a coconut husk or two...gather some wild bird eggs, save the coconut milk, use my pocket knife in my emergency kit to chop the coconut nice and fine AFTER placing it on the end of a stick and lightly roast it...locate some wild grasses to grind the seed for the flour to make the pie crust which would cook over the embers...

Okay...now that island sounds pretty good!!!

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And yes, I'd have flint and steel for fire starters for the campfires as well as a couple of fabric softener sheets to rub on my arms for mosquito repellent.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie

Have you seen the latest photographs from Trayvon Martin's 17th birthday party? These are from 9 days prior to his murder, look at the pictures and tell me if you still think he deserved to die? If you can look at these and not shed a tear I feel sorry for you.

http://globalgrind.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-9-Days-Before-Death-Photo?gpage=4

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Frobert, I'd be more than happy to look at the pictures and I will as soon as I am done with this post. One thing I want to clear up with is is the very fact that Trayvon Martin NEVER deserved to die. From day one, I've been asking why Zimmerman had a gun in the first place. I'd received my answer...from a legal standpoint but from a moral standpoint...aw HECK no!

All I was pointing out to you is the fact that kids these days are not like they were say...10, maybe 20 years ago??? If his parents hadn't been in two separate households, he wouldn't have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Our society is morphing into something none of us want to see.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro...in the pictures, it appeared he was a little annoyed with getting his photo taken...a typical teen reaction wouldn't you say??? He looked pretty tall in the photo where he's leaning against the wall next to the young lady.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.

In the photographs he seems to be an all American boy, I also notice no trace of the so called gang tattoos and gold teeth that the white supremacists are showing him with.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Thanks hawk! You'll most likely need a respite from the independents dictating survival procedures and from the Republicans deciding who will survive!" -- nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.

Well, my man, someone has to do the job. The Libs will probably focus in on how unfair it is that the ship sank.

Anyhow, glad to see you came to your senses after your morning coffee - too much shilly shallying was going on; someone needed to take the bull by the horns. Even though putting me in charge of the galley was probably a mistake in the minds of a couple of the ladies. I expect that by now they've relegated me to chief bottlewasher.

roger — April 16, 2012 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Frobert...just to rehash old comments, I've brought up two which I think you may have passed over:

On April 7th, I'd said in reference to the incident in Florida - "Never mind that there's a young man whose life has been cut short and another man whose life is ruined, knowing he has killed that young man, even if it was indeed self defense. And the families and friends of both families involved have a lot more to deal with than our debate about who is right and who is wrong."

Also Frobert, if you go back to last week's forum and re-read my comments...I'd said "We all can agree we want justice served and the truth WILL prevail. It just might take awhile before that happens."

I cannot say how I'd want to see the course of events to finish out as I have to believe in the court system. First, they have to decide on whether or not Zimmerman was within his rights in defending himself before a conviction of murder is even possible. Unless witnesses are already rounded up...IF there were any, it'll be a case of Zimmerman's 911 calls and his comments when interrogated which will be the deciding factor no matter how we feel about the case.

I do believe in Trayvon's memory, the State of Florida will be reviewing the Stand Your Ground law.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie - He's wearing a Reese's Peanut Butter cup T-shirt. No self-respecting bad boy would dare do something like that - guaranteed butt kicking for being a PAB. Sorry - the more we learn, the more this kid looks like any other.

But I'm sticking with the case moving beyond Zimmerman's guilt - this will be about Stand Your Ground and states rights vs. gun control and the ability of the federal gov't to determine the outcome of a trial. And it still remains quite possible he'll never stand trial for the murder itself.

roger — April 16, 2012 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Frobert @ 5:19...

I hadn't seen the photographs you speak of. Besides, tattoos and grillz do not make a criminal. Other than the ones you shared, I've only seen the one with him in a red T-shirt when he was younger and the one in the white hoodie. He looked like a clean-cut, all-American teenager. And no...I don't judge him by his "hoodie." That is a bunch of hype by the media.

Now if I'd seen the teenager (any teenager for that matter) snooping around someone's living room window, trying to jimmy it...or waving a pistol around...THEN I'd be the first to call 911. Otherwise, kids are kids and fashions are fashions.

Now...if some of these kids walking around the mall lately would learn to pull up their drawers! Their pimp limp...er, their walk to keep their pants from fallin' to their heels is getting ridiculous!!!

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*If his parents hadn't been in two separate households, he wouldn't have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Our society is morphing into something none of us want to see.*

I had to chime in. Didn't want this to turn into a Fox News culture war thingy...

I believe if his parents lived under the same roof and his last name was Cleaver it wouldn't have mattered! He still would have been walking along minding his own business eatin' his Skittles!

Our society is full of people young and old that contribute greatly. Not everybody is a gun tote'n wannabe vigilante that targets kids walking home by themselves.

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 16, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.

Gun control is irrelevant to this case, Zimmerman was studying at the local University to be a police officer. He either would have been exempt or soon would have been exempt from any gun regulations. The scariest thing is, if he had waited until he had a badge before murdering his first child, he never even would have been investigated, he may have even gotten a medal.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What would we be saying if someone had shot these two kids?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/04/portland_police_arrest_teenage.html

Portland police arrested a 13-year-old girl and 15-year-old boy who allegedly used a fake BB gun to rob a woman at a Northeast Portland elementary school Sunday afternoon.

roger — April 16, 2012 at 5:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *Well, my man, someone has to do the job. The Libs will probably focus in on how unfair it is that the ship sank.*

It was SO unfair! Why didn't Kathy Lee's boat capsize! It's NOT FAIR!!! :)

rog, the galley duty was based on experience. After we get settled I'll send one of the girls to give you a hand. ;)

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, I'm thinking you're right about the trial...sad to say. The parents may never have closure which is a devastating torture in their hearts as they try to remember anything they can about their son.

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On another note...Nailingit, this comment is for you. Thanks for getting the theme song of Gilligan's Island stuck in my mind, lol!!! So this my fellow forum follower and everyone else...is for YOU!!!

Juuuuust sit right back and you'll hear a tale...a tale of a fateful trip...that started in the basement here...aboard a little boat.

Drift was a mighty sailin' man; Goldie brave and sure...us passengers set sail that day for a three-hour tour...a three-hour tour!!!

The discussion started getting rough, diatribe was tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew...the forum would be lost...the forum would be lost!

The boat set ground on the shore of this uncharted isle Matt had found. With Nailingit...and Hawkeye too...Genevieve and her dad...

(okay, okay...I'll stop!!!)

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 5:38 p.m.

Accept some individual responsibility man, nobody forced you onto the ship in the first place.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit @5:31...you're probably right. As I'd said before...Trayvon was in the wrong place at the wrong time. According to Frobert's comment, Zimmerman was studying to become a policeman...and that is a scary thought.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WAIT A SECOND!!! Nailingit...you'd "Send" one of the girls???

Maybe we'd allow you to THINK you're sending one of the girls.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie

After reviewing last weeks posts, I apologize, it was ELISI who was complaining that the mainstream media was refusing to use the photoshopped images.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro...no need to apologize. Sometimes ELISI and I sound a lot alike. I just wanted you to remember where I was coming from...for future reference.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I can do ANYTHING with duct tape. My daughter calls me MacGyver. So if Matt drops us all off on some island, please leave me a case or two of duct tape and we will all be fine.

Fro, WHY do you keep bringing up the Martin case? Are YOU just trying to stir up trouble? It sure looks that way. Give it a rest, let the trial take care of itself, you aren't helping.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye...I brought it up when I mentioned the two teens robbing the lady. It was in reference to our discussion yesterday. Don't blame Fro on this one.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.

This is an open forum, meaning I can bring up any subject that the Columbian staff does not find offensive. Other people are discussing it, which would lead any reasonable person to conclude that I am not alone in my outrage on the subject.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Duct Tape??? I've heard of planes that had damage on their fuselage were patched with duct tape. No fair using it on mouthy writers, lol.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, Hawkeye, Goldie

Jesus Christ people. You just keep complaining about those evil kids and their flash mob robberies and their BB guns. Kids (and yes a 13 year old is a kid, no matter how big and grown they are in their heads) don't deserve to be shot or have their lives destroyed because of something stupid they do when they are CHILDREN. I mean these KIDS aren't even going to be legally able to drink a beer for 6 and 8 years each but some how they are supposed to be old enough to take responsibility for their actions? How about we punish the real culprits here, the parents who are letting their children run rampant. Lets put their parents in stocks for the day and let everyone see them for what they are, maybe a little public humiliation would make them rethink their parenting style.

If I had done anything as stupid as using a bb gun to rob a stranger when I was younger (which I never would have done because I was raised properly) I would have gladly gone to juvy before going home to face the wrath of my father and stepmother. Actions like those of these kids are the result of crappy parenting not some inherent evil inside of them.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


All,
I am STILL in charge even if we end up on an island. I will make sure every one will be assigned a role that fits him or her best. Gold gets to cook I think. Hawk will wash dishes, Fro will grumble about, well everything, Nail will convince us that I am the 1% and you all need to stick together, and I am still in charge. Roger will be my personal philosopher and first adviser though. Drift will contribute mightily to the all round good feeling every evening.

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Love the song parody Goldie, its perfect! =)

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen...some of those "kids" are already into meth and drinking. Would putting the parents in stocks for the day solve the issue? It would probably make the kids even more defiant. Sadly though...I agree that these kids don't have solid parenting. Unfortunately, some parents have to take more than one job to support their children and at the price of having someone watch your kids lately??? Also...they are one-parent households, leaving an older sibling to watch over the younger ones...frustration, defiance, mouthing off and hanging out with kids the parent has no time to check out. And with this economy...I don't see a lot of improvement coming.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 16, 2012 at 6:06 p.m

Yes you can. Doesn't mean you have to.

Gen, sounds like a great idea to me. I always tell my grandkids that if they get thrown in jail for any reason, I will NOT bail them out. Of course they never would put themselves in that position, they, like their Mother, are great kids.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen...glad you liked it.

Luvithere...ELISI has also volunteered! With the crowd we have, I've got a sinking feeling we'd be doing a lot of cooking.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.

***DISHES !!!!! *** I don't think so. You can do better than that.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


After reviewing last weeks posts, I apologize, it was ELISI who was complaining that the mainstream media was refusing to use the photoshopped images.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 5:57 p.m.

buzzer sound egggghhh Wrong again frobert!

I was not complaining about the media not using any Photoshopped picture, had no idea there were any. I never have seen any picture you speak of, of Trayvon in gold teeth or with tattoos. The pictures I was talking of was the one used of him in the red t shirt at around age 12 they used compared to one of him sitting at his computer in a white hoodie.
I complained cause they used a picture that was clearly 5+ yrs old where the one in the white hoodie was/is more up to date and they never used it and still aren't.

You know what frobert?? If you are going to complain (to use a word that will not get me ban) try getting your facts right. This kind of crap is what ticks me off. I'm with Hawkeye, sick of talking about, sick of hearing about it. Let justice take it's course. If you feel so much for this case, then may I suggest you fly to Florida and offer your services to Martin family's attorney and to the DA on the case. I'm sure they are waiting breathlessly to hear from you.

ELISI — April 16, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I make a mean lobster bisque, if we happen to be stranded in the north Atlantic, and have some heavy cream.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great lyrics to tune goldeoldie! Too funny. I figure one of the best things about being stranded on an uncharted Isle would be the lack of governing authority. To include the censoring po-po's.

I'll take my isle with freedom & choice, and a side of Utopian Neapolitan.

fro- I just came across a recipe for Psychoactive Toad on a Stick. No waste no want!

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Um...er....Hawkeye...

You'd have an easy job. We wouldn't *HAVE* any dishes if we were stranded on a desert island with only a life raft and a couple dozen people!!! Would you rather have latrine digging duties??? We'd need something to keep the grounds healthy.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Utopian Neapolitan???

Is that two scoops or three???

goldenoldie — April 16, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GO,

I figured with my background and experience and age, I should be construction supervisor. If we are going to be there for any amount of time we will need shelter and amenities. Maybe even an outhouse.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,

If kids are on meth at thirteen and their parents aren't doing anything about it then the state needs to intervene, simple as that.

In the majority of these cases the kids are out running a muck because the parents' failings, they are on meth, or they're out at the bar, or just out in general being crappy parents, putting themselves before their children's well being. Just because a family is poor doesn't mean they can't teach their kids proper values, and just because an older sibling has a hand in the raising of the younger ones doesn't mean they are going to run wild.

There are always a few bad apples in the bunch, but the majority of these kids I believe act out to get attention because they aren't getting any from their parents.

Luvithere-

Sorry Luv, I'm going to have to support Drift's claim to Leadership.... He's more fun then you.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ok Hawk, construction supervisor (under my general supervision) it is.

But-HOLD IT. As we are on tropical island, I need me my **CABANA BOY**. Who volunteers for that illustrious role? Fro? Nail? HAWK?

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie @ 6:29... 3. More than that I tend to get overwhelmed.

btw my captcha is dgmeth law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0Dm-...

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen, Drift might be more fun, but this requires a cold, sober mind to keep you all in tune. So much debate and heat here online, can you imagine the in-person interactions without **ME** directing?

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — April 16, 2012 at 6:21 p.m.

The legitimate press used the only confirmed images of Martin that they had available. The "hoodie" picture is still not confirmed to be him. If you look at the photographs from his 17th birthday party, 9 days before his murder it is quite clear that the image that was being used was not 5years ago. In the more current pictures he still is a child and portrays a certain innocence.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You know Luv,

You are starting to sound just a wee bit pushy. I suspect there will be a mutiny on the horizon and you just might end up on the bottom of the pile. What do you think this is, "Survivor"? Sorry, Homey don't play that game.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Someone ring up Mark Burnett for a new reality series starring avatars from Vantucky!

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere

Exactly the reason we need Drift's horticultural expertise and calm demeanor. There's not that many of us, we can always send nailing it and Fro to opposite corners, then the rest of us can sit there in our neutralness drinking, eating coconuts, smoking (oregano of course), and talking about the Illuminati in hushed tones.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit @ 6:37...I figure since I had to look up the term "Cabana Boy" it's most likely not me.

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail, that's too bad. I have the feeling all the ladies here know exactly what a cabana boy is. One can dream, right?

And see Hawk, we are already starting to argue re leadership. That's just what we do here, always pushing.

Just better if I assume the role right away and we all live happily ever after, especially if that cabana boy of my dreams steps up and announces himself.
have to say though, Gen, you portray a nice picture of our eves on the isle..hm....

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


One common theme that exists with the Isle scenario, one common thread, one succinct message, one singular thought, one like minded thinking has been...

Socialism!

**Run RP Supporters! Run for your lives!!!** **AHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!!!**

Sorry. I had to get that out of my system. Now back to unreality.

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.privateislandsonline.com/Ilha-Caetano.htm

Hey look guys! For less then 80,000 dollars we could be the proud owners of a 16 acre island in Brazil. It even comes with..... 172 coconut trees! lol ;)

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 7:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good thinking Gen. Only 20 mins away from civilization. We can make this work!

luvithere — April 16, 2012 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift & anyone interested. In about 7or 8 minutes Lawrence O'Donnell is having a segment on Legalization of Drugs and alluded to Obama legalizing pot in near future. MSNBC

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You send me a picture of you in some "nice" clothes and we'll talk about your cabana boy proposal.

172 coconut trees doesn't give you water.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes Hawkeye, yes it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_...

Interestingly enough it also makes a nice substitute for blood plasma if anyone is in need of a transfusion.

http://www.naturalnews.com/031505_coconut_water_health_benefits.html

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


At 75 coconuts per tree annually, 172 coconut trees would produce 12,900 coconuts. At a conservative average of 1 cup of liquid per coconut that is approximately 800 gallons of water plus we could probably collect several gallons a day from a seaweed solar stills.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen, you can't take a shower in coconut water. I guess you could but that's a lot of crackin' to take one shower. Then it would probably get sticky and nobody wants that.

hawkeye — April 16, 2012 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere,

What's the exact job description of personal philosopher and first adviser? I mean, this sounds pretty cool, but if I have to be a eunuch or something, I'll stick with bottle washing.

roger — April 16, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Silly Man,

THERE'S AN OCEAN ALL AROUND US....

On a completely unrelated note, coconut sap can be boiled down into a sugar substance similar to maple syrup. An old tree can produce over a hundred gallons per year, so with a still one could probably make a rum like substance.

Genevieve — April 16, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Surrounded by a bunch of survivalists - Gilligan didn't have to put up with this!!

roger — April 16, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


For anyone familiar with "herbal" remedies, I am sure there are a number of plants growing on islands off of south America that they could use.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit,

After thinking it over, you were right from the outset. Going down with the ship would be a lot less painful than the fate that awaits us in this Amazon matriarchy that's being planned for us. I can see it now - "Fetch my drink." "Sweep the beach - I want it looking nice when I lay out today." "Collect more seaweed; I want to take a bath." and a host of other commands delivered incessantly.

I bow to your superior foresight and wisdom.

roger — April 16, 2012 at 8:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, Gen - something that I'm not going to let go unnoticed. Was that a compliment you paid your father at 6:08 p.m.? Mellowing out, are we?

roger — April 16, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 16, 2012 at 8:43 p.m.

That's why I am happy that I have been banished to a remote corner of our remote island.

frobert — April 16, 2012 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It was cool reading the posts listening to Canned Heat.

Hawk, forget about showers, man. Water for drinking is of the most import. A simple still would do the job... when I wasn't making booze from the coconuts.

You guys have me thinking, if I ever take that cruise to Australia (a wont of mine) I'll be sure to carry a few seeds in my pocket. You know, just incase?

Oh, and not to be a bummer - and I'm not taking a stance here, because I don't know the facts -, but fro's repeated 'child' thing prompts me to offer the following:

http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/96natyouthgangsrvy/surv_6a.html

I'm off to the jacuzzi and then I might settle in to work on the latest manuscript.

Night all.
You guys are fun!

Drift — April 16, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...so....

who fishes? who cleans? who fashions the bones into tools?

who digs the pits for water filtration and cooking?

who chops away all that undergrowth so we can have a camp?

who gathers the wide leaves and the spiny ones so we can erect shelter?

SOMEbody's got to also take control of ... sanitation for this crowd.

there's only soooo much i can do alone...what with my degenerative knees 'n all.......

DeeLittle — April 16, 2012 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


oh, and the most important....

who's gonna take charge of implementing the plan to capture matt & leverage him to get us OFF this paradise?

sorry...i'm a true libertarian.

DeeLittle — April 16, 2012 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


of course...there's also alternate plans....

if we get good at producing something...a fantastic fish recipe or some incredible creation by goldie...some hand-made exotic must-have... i could manage our business, and matt could be our delivery system..for a fee, of course.

then we could each have a luxury boat and could come and go as we please :)

DeeLittle — April 16, 2012 at 10:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *Surrounded by a bunch of survivalists - Gilligan didn't have to put up with this!!*

*Going down with the ship would be a lot less painful than the fate that awaits us in this Amazon matriarchy that's being planned for us. I can see it now -*

Amen!

Hey, why not just fix the boat?

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 10:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I just have to respond to a letter to the editor about the higher costs at the DMV.

I ask an employee about having to replace the plates. She said that because of the poor quality of the materials used the plate loses it reflectivity over time. I said something about Oregon not having that problem. She said then move there. True story.

I asked why and how did the state come up with what makes an SUV. My Jeep gets over 22 MPG. It's NOT a four wheel drive. It's a two wheel drive highway princess. I get better MPG than some cars out there. I was told that maybe I should buy a car instead.

I asked why doesn't the state give seniors a break on licensing a vehicle. Oh no sir, we couldn't do that. It wouldn't be fair.

I asked why did we need two plates on our vehicles. I was told that the police need to see a plate on the front for identification purposes. Then why do a lot of vehicles have a plate shoved in the front window on the dashboard?

Everyone out there has seen this one. You're driving down the road and the car in front of you has a frame on the plate that covers the state. How is that legal? Or better yet how about the ones with bike racks that block the whole plate?

You know what's not fair?? Their holier than me attitude!!! It comes down to the dollar. The state didn't like losing all that revenue and ever since the law was changed some bean counter said we have to figure a way to get more money. Instead of figuring a way to save money the first thought is always how to get MORE. Typical government attitude.

Here's how to save money. Quit kowtowing to the special interests. Print the manual in English. The people who are getting their license NEED to learn it to drive anyway. Make one plate and make sure it's put on correctly. Change vendors if the material is of poor quality.

Finally, test all drivers every five years. That would be a great step forward to ensure that drivers keep up with the times. We have seen poor drivers across the board as fas age is concerned.

JohnCasey — April 17, 2012 at 5:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I forgot the biggest problem of all. I drive the I-5 slog everyday and I see this. A LOT of drivers with Oregon plates. They still have the morning dew on their vehicles. I see a lot of the same ones everyday. I have not seen one stater pulling them over and I've been doing this for a couple of months now.

It's time to put a lot of pressure on these cheaters. I will name one business that regularly crosses over the bridge every morning. It has Oregon plates. This driver does not deserve a drivers license. He darts between lanes and cuts you off and gets mad if you don't let him in. Even when you car is halfway along side. I wonder how the owner would feel if this special kind of driver was to get into an accident. SKY heating and air conditioning. He scares the hell out of me and should scare the hell out of you.

Now I know this post might get me censored but the fact still remains. He is currently the most dangerous driver out there. I believe that if we were to post more of these special ed drivers here, that it would change their habits. The drivers are driving on a public road and are not subject to any privacy laws. The plates are of public record. They should be called out every time.

JohnCasey — April 17, 2012 at 6 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey, have you by any chanced ever noticed if there's a reciprocity tag in the rear window of the "Oregon" vehicles??? If so, then they can be here in Washington. BTW, I agree with you that the state has to crack down on the cheaters.

As far as that poor driver...you can grab his plate and call 911, reporting his erratic behavior if you have bluetooth. I'd hate to be the recipient of a poor commercial driver (AGAIN) due to his or her negligence. You just might save a life.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


YAAAAAAYYYYY!!! Nailingit @ 6:41 pm...I LOVE that song and always have!!! I'm just a smilin' this morning! And three scoops it is!!!

BTW, I almost sprayed coffee all over my screen with your suggestion to call Mark Burnett.

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Dee...I love to fish. Don't mind cleaning and cooking it either!!! Any fish fileting experts among us???

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Roger, I think everyone has a bit of that "survivalist" tendency when it comes right down to it.

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Drift...sailing to Australia??? Nice!!!

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Hey guys - for you that want to go down with the ship...everything takes a good plan. We're just working out the minor details so it's a complete success for all of us.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Hey, why not just fix the boat?"

I'll take the island life...as long as there's some mountains to run to in case of sudden tidal surges.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


How is the state supposed to track down on the cheaters?

Free travel among the "several states" is a constitutional right. Detaining anyone without "reasonable suspicion" that they have violated a law is unconstitutional. For years I used a company car. Should I have been pulled over and harassed every morning? The cheaters don't care about the law, and will get pulled over for another reason eventually.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Why stop at drivers you have decided without any proof are breaking the law, why not have the police start breaking into peoples homes because you think they are doing something illegal. I have a better idea why don't you mind your business and let the other free citizens of this country mind theirs.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


How is the state supposed to track down on the cheaters?

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 7:25 a.m

This is what I was told by one of the agents that work at a DMV.

There is a State Patrol officer that handles the out of state license. You will have yo go to a DMV and inquire his name and contact info. I will not give it out here.

If you have a list of licenses from out of state, you give the list to the officer..he then checks for owners name, then proceeds to check here in Clark county with the utilities the name and how long the person has been a utilities customer.
Bingo, you have the person.

From what I was told those that work the out of state licenses has in the past concentrated on the Fishers Landing area. Highest amount of out of states were reported there. I know that I watched for a month the cars that came to the grade school my oldest grand son attended, I counted over 25 cars that would drop kids off each morning. So I turned those license numbers in.

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey — April 17, 2012 at 6 a.m

Get the license number of the vehicle and look to see if there is vehicle number painted near the front bumper or door. Call the company this driver works for ask to speak to the safety officer/director if they have none ask to speak to the owner.
Be sure to also note the time and location to give to them.

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 8:04 a.m.

Agreed, I spent many years in logistics management and the last thing any company wants is unsafe drivers or even drivers that make them look bad.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What I find funny is, there is always the company one can call and turn in a bad driver, but, who do you call if you are said driver and a car cuts you off..causing the driver to swerve and possibly hit other vehicles to keep from hitting the person that cause the problem in the first place.

Or the person that calls in complaining the driver wouldn't stop let them merge into traffic..Ok Mr or Ms Smarty pants, you tell me where 18 wheels, fully load truck and trailer suppose to go when all lanes are full and no place to go. Ahh yes, stop dead on a freeway just so you can merge and be on your way...maybe the driver should get out and put flares out and hang a banner that says so n so wants to merge, give them a round of applause.

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.

I've gotten plenty of those phone calls also.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Two >8 earthquakes in Sumatra these past few days... Other >6 quakes along the western Pacific... The Ring of Fire is gearing up for something big!

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow Elisi, just wow. You really feel the need to not only spy on your neighbors but to waste tax payer dollars filing reports on people who for all you know could be driving a company car or have boundary exceptions.

People like you are a blight on society. "Oh the Government says I can so I should". If tomorrow the government decided it was illegal to be colored, or gay, or wear a pointy hat would you be lined up with a list of names, just because it would be doing your civic duty? That's the exact same logic German citizens used when they reported their Jewish neighbors to the Nazi police.

Live and let live, if it doesn't hurt you or someone else then mind your own damn business.

Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow Gen, just WOW! Nazis and Jews?

I guess it's OK with you that people are cheating YOUR state out of revenue that you and I are going to have to cover. But you're right, why worry about those people, they probably are the ones that kept their Oregon drivers licenses so they can use it to buy stuff without paying sales taxes. Ah what the hell, just let them live here for free when everybody else has to pick up their tab. Just because it's going to cost EVERYONE else money is no reason to complain, is it Gen.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 9:28 a.m

There are Federal, state and local laws we must abide by. Break the law, you pay. With out laws where would society be?

Oh yes mind one's own business, ok will do..next time I see someone breaking into your home, stealing, or better yet next time I see a female being raped I'll turn and walk away..next child I see being abused, I'll walk away..oh and the next female that goes in for a court ordered restraining order for an abusive husband, I'll make sure she doesn't file so when she gets beaten to death, so you can protest no crime no foul..oh ok...I'll mind my own damn business..

Now go take a long hard look in the mirror at yourself..

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.

Obviously you missed the part in Gen's post where she said not hurting you or anyone else. But that doesn't fit into your diatribe does it.

Gen makes a good point, most vehicles with Oregon plates are in this state perfectly legally and with real problems in this city like child prostitution and meth labs, why waste our resources chasing boogymen.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Also, your question where would society be without laws.

Without Federal marijuana laws we would be $50,000,000,000 richer every year as a country.

Without prescription drug laws, people could afford their medications, and healthcare reform would't even be an issue.

Without laws restricting who and how many we can marry, we could regain much of our freedom of religion.

I am sure if we tool a few years and went through the list law by law I am sure most of them serve a special interest and not the people. Some laws may be a necessarily evil but most should be eliminated.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


FOREIGN LICENSE PLATES: waaay back, when i first moved from california, i rented in hazel dell. one day i was pulled over by a sheriff's car. cop asked me where i lived, i gave him my hazel dell address. he asked me how long i'd lived there. didn't really remember exactly, so i thought a minute, then said, 'about five, six weeks'. he asked me if i knew i had to get my vehicle registered and plated in washington and i said i intended to. he said it was past time and i said then i'll do it today. he let me go, no ticket, no warning. i drove directly to the license place and got my plate.

wish that's how the world always worked.

GOVERNMENT WORKERS: man, do i hear you! i'm currently STILL fighting the great government healthcare system just to get a prescription refilled. i now have a deeper understanding of 'going postal'.

UH...GEN.... are you still playing devil's advocate..?

fuzzball's out chasing ducks. guess it's time to go get him.

DeeLittle — April 17, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIIDm...

I would have shared my advance teams knowledge but...

obviously we were doomed from the start!

nailingit — April 17, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — April 17, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.

When police officers were members of the community and not part of an elite privileged segment of society, we had more verbal warnings, explanations and a lot less bullets in the backs of unarmed citizens. Has everybody forgotten that government is here at our pleasure and not the other way around?

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert so most are here legally? When the state generates more than $600,000 last I knew a few years ago in fines on out of state licenses alone?

Legally when those cars are parked at homes, apts, for over a year...if the owner is paying for utilities in this county, they live here making it illegal. If they are a company car, they would have a sticker stating so, easy for any officer to see.

Nope going to stand by what I said frobert, cause maybe to someone else what is being done to that female, or child isn't harming them. Or that stealing isn't bad cause it's the mind set, that what you have I want attitude. You know...share the wealth..
and then we do have those who agree that a husband or wife for that matter has every right to beat their spouses.
As far as robbery goes.. oh thats ok too huh? Since robbery of items hurts no living being as long as murder doesn't take place.

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi,
Your argument at 10:25 holds absolutely no merit, unless there is something seriously mentally wrong with someone then they are not going to stand by while a child is beaten or a woman is raped.

I wonder what happened to you in your life that made you so self important that you feel it is your job to conduct Oregonian witch hunts and deliberately inflict financial hard ship on your neighbors. But I digress, my mother always told me when I was younger to "Never argue with a fool" and from the posts I've seen you write over the last year I know it would be a waste of my time.

Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry Dee,

That was much closer to Gen's views then Sir Alleynit's I will try to serve my office better.

Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Your mother and father should have taught you how to speak respectfully to your elders. It's one thing to discuss issues, another to say the things you have. You my dearie have no respect for anyone, not even yourself to speak to someone in the matter which you have to me.
You try to come off as being mature and intelligent on here and with your last statement, proves that to be very wrong indeed.
You just keep on believing what you do, some day you will grow up and blinders will fall off.

and...since I am such a horrible person I'll leave this forum all to you dearie. Have fun living a life of a fool.

Been nice Golden, Hawkeye and others. Goodbye forum..

ELISI — April 17, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi,

My parents taught me to give respect where respect is due, not simply because someone is older then I am. There are plenty of people on this forum who I do respect: Alan, Golden, Hawkeye, Fro, and Nailingit to name a few (although I argue with everyone at various points).

I don't try to come off as sounding mature or intelligent on here, I sound the way I do in real life. I apologise for spending my time reading instead of running a muck on the streets in gangs?

You're right I am not the most "adult" person in the world but I can tell you I am mature enough to not throw a hissy fit and leave the basement because a child insinuated that I was a stubborn fool. Actually I've been called a HECK of a lot worse on this forum without high tailing it out.

Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**ELISE**

this place would suffer deeply if you leave. i'm beginning to wonder about dearie gen's motivations myself. there's playfulness, satire, then there's giving oneself a way to act outrageously without incurring consequences.

i'll play devil's advocate for a bit too: hey gen. 'not the most adult person'...the only thing adult about you is your diapers. and from the smell radiating off your posts, perhaps it's time to change you.

DeeLittle — April 17, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee as I said before the posts to Elisi had absolutely nothing to do with playing devils advocate. My posts insinuating that Hawkeye was a Communist Spy that was playful satire, people who act in the way Elisi was promoting actively undermine what it means to be an American. Countries where it is socially acceptable to report your neighbors for such small insignificant issues as is becoming the norm here end up dictatorships with thought police like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, North Korea, and China.

And for the record there were a lot worse things I could have said about Elisi then that she is foolish. This is the woman who excused the deaths of 5000 American soldiers by saying that Vietnam was worse so our brothers and boyfriend's lives don't matter.

Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Grow up, Gen. And "respect your elders" is a saying for a reason. Not because they are older but because of what they (we) have gone through getting to that place in life that you don't have a clue about.

As for "our neighbors not following the laws", I would give them a reasonable amount of time to get their affairs in order after moving to our little spot of heaven but enough is enough. After a period of time, they need to follow the rules like everybody else, that's why the laws are there. This is not a dictatorship, it's a democracy and to make it work, EVERYBODY needs to follow the laws, not just a few because it isn't hurting anybody. BTW

As for your Brothers and boyfriends not mattering, they all matter and yes Vietnam WAS worse.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 17, 2012 at 2:41 p.m

I don't think that is going to help.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.

There is no age here in the basement, for all I know you could be a 14 year old, hiding out in your mothers attic.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye,

The things people have gone through in life have nothing to do with age. There are plenty of people my age who have gone through things that would give you nightmares for the rest of your life and there are plenty of people in their 70s who have lived perfectly idyllic lives.

I never said Vietnam wasn't worse, but it has no place being used as a justification for the deaths going on now. When Elisi used that as a defense was when I stopped treating her with respect.

Genevieve — April 17, 2012 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 17, 2012 at 3:01 p.m

Ah, if it were only true.

I do question the logistics of being in the basement AND the attic at the same time, though.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, it has been interesting catching up on today's posts.
Elis-don't leave, You and I might totally disagree on politics, but we also find common ground and I prefer you stay!

Gem, I am with Hawk. A bit of respect goes a long way. I often have real trouble figuring out if you are serious or if you are kidding around. Your kidding and sarcasm often come across as not so funny or downright rude. That's just what happens on the net.

I don't care if Vietnam or now is or was worse. None of it should have happened, period. Every death is a death too many. But maybe one needed to be around when Vietnam happened to fully understand it?

luvithere — April 17, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 3:09 p.m

I could answer that with some quantum mechanics, but that would take too much time, but then again time is irrelevant.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Really Gen, you are going to argue this with me? THERE ARE VERY FEW IN THEIR 70s THAT HAVE HAD IT EASY! Be it Korea, Vietnam, he Gulf Wars etc, most have gone through something. What are you, 20? Try again.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Hey Gen, they should leave her alone too? She's not hurting anyone?***

LINCOLN PARK, Mich. (AP) — A Michigan lottery winner was charged with fraud Tuesday for collecting food stamps and public health insurance despite pocketing a $735,000 jackpot.

Amanda Clayton, 25, was silent during a brief court hearing after spending a night in jail. A not-guilty plea was entered, and her lawyer vowed to fight the charges.

Lottery winners collecting welfare benefits have embarrassed Michigan officials. Clayton is the second person in the state caught with food stamps despite newly minted wealth, and Gov. Rick Snyder last week signed a law requiring the lottery to notify the Human Services Department when someone wins at least $1,000.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


People avoiding paying taxes, licensing fees, etc hurt us - our state runs on them w/o an income tax.

Goldie is correct in that we have to check for the sticker before assuming the worst.

There are many people in the stores who pull out their OR license to claim tax exemption - while having WA state cards in plain view. Does make one wonder.

I pretty much agree with Luvithere's 4:17 post.

Though some of us do get a bit thin-skinned at times.

Something that did catch my attention. Gen - what was with that comment about drunken Allen? If you don't mind answering.

roger — April 17, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — April 17, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.

I can make the suggestion that everybody kick back a couple shots of bourbon, or better yet how about boilermakers.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 4:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There's an old saying which states "Loose Lips Sink Ships." Guess our lifeboat sunk today while I was away. Good thing I know how to swim, huh!

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


drift-
smoke a fatty? what's that? yuk, yuk.

enyhoo, I know you've told others, but how do I get a copy of your book? is it available locally? the title alone makes it worth a looksee.

mrd — April 17, 2012 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kumbaya my Lord...

Kumbaya!!!

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Gen...whazzup young lady???

You are aware the license plate cheaters are putting the heavy on all of us who DO change our plates and DO pay our tabs and DEQ, right??? You'd better believe it if I knew of someone in my neighborhood cheating the system...more like cheating their fellow residents by not changing their plates...I would call. Don't bother calling me a Nazi, either. I want to make sure we're all paying our fair share. Nothing wrong with that, eh???

One other comment...I hope you remember it's just what I believe...

The difference between Vietnam War and the Afghanistan conflict (as well as what has been going on in Iraq the past 10+ years) was(were) quite different in one BIG, BIG issue. The fact that the folks who fought in Vietnam...many of them didn't have a choice. They were drafted. They HAD to go and it messed up a lot of minds. It took many years for our government to realize the after effects of war, aka PTSD...leaving those Vietnam Vets AND their families to fend for themselves. The folks who have bravely served in Iraq and are in Afghanistan had a choice when they joined AND have immediate care available when it comes to PTSD.

Unless you lived in the era of the Vietnam War or have a relative who suffers the ills of PTSD from Vietnam...you really can't understand what the Vietnam Vets have had to endure.

Any war...is Hell and that Hell continues for a lifetime in the minds and hearts of each and every brave one who hits the front lines.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift...I thought it was Dee who was having the problems obtaining the prescriptions because of red tape.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert: Now you've gone and impressed me big time with your quantum mechanics understanding.

If an electron can be in two places at the same time, why can't we?

Anytime you want to open up a conversation about entanglement or spooky action at a distance, I'm game. :)

Do I have to put y'all back in that lifeboat to learn how to work together again?

manthou — April 17, 2012 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou...

methinks the plug was pulled on the life boat. Got a bucket???

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 5:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI, it sure won't be the same here if you don't come back.

Gen...not trying to play the mediator here or anything, but maybe going back and re-reading ELISI's comments over the past several days might help. I don't think she was trying to lessen the impact of the IRAQ/AFGHAN wars and those who have died. In fact, I think she was trying to say there should be acknowledgement of ALL soldiers who have fought as well as died in wars, no matter what and the fact that not one death is more important than another. These guys and gals on the front line are risking every breathing second of their lives in order to retain our freedom and to take out those who are doing their best to prevent us from living our lives without fear of terror attacks. Those who have died...gave it their all.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2012 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou, that reminds me of an old Firesign Theater bit, "How can you be in two places at once when you're no place at all?" Seems logical to me.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — April 17, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.

"If an electron can be in two places at the same time, why can't we?"

Well, I would argue that every subatomic particle within our bodies is, the trick would be getting them all into the same place at the same time or the same spacetime.

Also one could argue that if you open the spacetime disruption created by a subatomic particle you could travel through it.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Because Manthou, those quantum particles are tiny beyond words. The odds of an entire human body, being composed of such a huge number of quantum particles: all being synchronized so as to be in two different places at the same time; are so astronomically high, as to be impossible.

Goldenoldie, I believe your statements of April 17, 5:10 p.m., are the best you have ever written. And the same goes for hawkeye, with his earlier statements on the same subject.

Perhaps Genevieve can reference Elisi’s comments where she said, or inferred that “This is the woman who excused the deaths of 5000 American soldiers by saying that Vietnam was worse so our brothers and boyfriend's lives don't matter.”

kn_dalai — April 17, 2012 at 6:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie, It was Dee with the medication problem? Okay... I won't bother to look as it's not of import, and because I thought it was ELISI is why I thought some restraint was in order. Sounds like I'm all wet.

Actually, I am. We pitched in the rain. He won. I had 18 to his 21. He needed to win a game. I usually get him.

mrd, my apologies, the book is not available locally. It can be found in three places; The publisher (Litsam) has both paperback and "e" versions available. Amazon has both, too. Barnes & Noble a Nook version only.

I hope you've an e-reader as the paperback is kind of spendy (in my opinion). I would highly recommend (regardless of where you get it) that you read a few pages from the Amazon site. The book isn't for everybody.

Litsam (preferred. I get an extra dime):
http://litsam.com/bookstore/

Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Sex-Dope-Aircraft-Carrier/dp/1935878042/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie;=UTF8&qid;=1334712250&sr;=1-1

B&N;:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-little-sex-a-lot-of-dope-and-an-aircraft-carrier-capn-drift/1108004937?ean=2940013863194

Drift — April 17, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal



> One common theme that exists with the Isle scenario, one common thread, one succinct message, one singular thought, one like minded thinking has been...
>
> Socialism!

nailingit — April 16, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.

MY GAWD . I don’t know how many times I have addressed this very issue.

There is a distinct difference between a “SOCIETY OF MEN” and a ”A GOVERNMENT OF MEN”. Socialism THROUGH GOVERNMENT… is not the same as VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS.

A thought which falls upon utterly deaf ears of a collectivist.

kn_dalai — April 17, 2012 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry I didn't get the label right Kn_d. I'll try and do better next time. :)))))

You're fired!

nailingit — April 17, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Socialism???

Yes, I'm thinking luvithere was set up as the self appointed Queen. Maybe that's why the boat sunk, she kept giving people jobs they weren't meant for.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 7:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That and I ran out of duct tape. ***I TOLD YOU PEOPLE, I NEEDED A FULL CASE OF DUCT TAPE!!!!***

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hey now Hawk! I was queen of the isle, not the boat. I also allowed you to be construction supervisor and let you skip cabana boy duty, so please note I was flexible. Don't blame me for sinking the original ship, we never discussed the cause of that. The boat also did not sink as we reached the isle of happiness. If we could not make the commune a happy place, then that is because you did not acknowledge me as the universal queen. Or as I always tell my husband: If only you would do what I tell you to do, it would be done by now!

All in good fun and humor here, you do understand, right? Given the stressful tone today in the cellar...

luvithere — April 17, 2012 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert,

As near as I understand Hawking and string theory, we can be in two places at once due to existing in alternate dimensions occupying the same space. Or some such thing. The question is, are we the same person? And then the old sci fi conundrum - what happens if we meet ourself?

Wasn't there a Star Trek episode about this - something to do with their transporters?

roger — April 17, 2012 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger/Fro - you ever watch The Big Bang Theory??

luvithere — April 17, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye -

Are you SURE you don't have a roll of that duct tape left? I can think of someone who needs to be taped about 20 feet up one of those 172 coconut palms.

roger — April 17, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nope. Not until a couple of minutes ago. Two dudes arguing over Star Trek 1 vs Star Trek 5. I turned back to Anderson Cooper - he has them both beat for strangeness.

roger — April 17, 2012 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, you better not talk about stringing me up. I forbid it.
What is so strange about Anderson?

luvithere — April 17, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 17, 2012 at 7:27 p.m

Mirror Mirror if I recall correctly, Spock with a beard.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Secret Service Prostitutes Scandal: Brothel Owner Dennis Hof Asks Government To Only Hire US Hookers**

"If these guys had come to the Bunny Ranch and satisfied their needs before the trip, none of this would have happened," he said.

In the meantime, Hof has been a vocal supporter of Ron Paul's presidential bid, since the Texas congressman supports legalized prostitution.

"We're actually offering a special 'Ron Paul Party' at the Ranch where anything goes," Hof said. "We also have a 'Mitt Romney Party' where you can change positions as often as you'd like, and a 'Newt Gingrich Party' where a lawyer files divorce papers on your behalf while you're at the Ranch."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17/secret-service-prostitutes-dennis-hof-american-hookers_n_1432210.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — April 17, 2012 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 17, 2012 at 7:27 p.m

Not, of course to be confused with "the stranger within" in which Kirk was split in another transporter accident into his good and evil parts.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm also at a loss as to when/where Elisi downplayed the suffering of the Iraq and Afghanistan vets. She's been a vocal supporter of Wounded Warrior and other programs that help vets out. And I could have sworn she's said she has someone who's served in one of those theaters.

But there is a major difference. Our VA is doing everything possible to help the wounded vets of today. And the possibility that Army docs have overturned PTSD diagnoses because of the lifetime costs to the gov't has drawn an immediate reaction from our gov't. Meanwhile, we have VA continuing to deny Vietnam era problems caused by Agent Orange, and who knows how many continue to suffer the effects of untreated PTSD?

Vets of all these conflicts commit suicide at much higher rates than the rest of our population.

Different things affect people differently - Gen makes that point (sort of). One of our group died in El Salvador way back when. I ran across another guy a few years back - that death still bothered him.

And I doubt any of them - at least the ones I know - would appreciate being used in our petty squabbles like this.

roger — April 17, 2012 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro-I am impressed by your Trek knowledge. I always preferred Kirk to Piquard (probably even got name wrong). There's a huge convention in London this year, with all 5 actors who played the lead making an appearance. Would be a hoot to go. I love StarTrek.

luvithere — April 17, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Japanese Hermit Spends 20 Years Naked On Secluded Island Of Sotobanari**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/man-spends-20-years-naked_n_1428600.html?ref=weird-news

nailingit — April 17, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 17, 2012 at 7:33 p.m

I'd be more than happy to use one of MY rolls from MY private stock to accommodate your reasonable request.

Big Bang is a hoot. Hands down, the funniest show on TV.

hawkeye — April 17, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ah hawk, we agree 100% on BBT, a first today I guess. And with that-all a good nite!

Tomorrow we will all be friends!

luvithere — April 17, 2012 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 17, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.

"I'm also at a loss as to when/where Elisi downplayed the suffering of the Iraq and Afghanistan vets"

I believe this is the post Gen was talking about.

"You are far too young to know about what went on during Vietnam..now THAT was an uncalled for battle that went 10+ yrs, killed a hell of a lot more of our young than what we are in now.
So you are saying we should have stood back, turned the other cheek, and did nothing after 9/11? Sorry, but no can do."
April 3, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.

frobert — April 17, 2012 at 9:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I didn't have time to get the plate number as I was dodging him and keeping a lookout for other traffic. I have called before on poor drivers and by their reaction I won't waste my time anymore. Unless there is a weapon involved.

I have called the employers before and got a ration ... if you know what I mean.

So I will continue to post their misdeeds here and just have fun with it. If I get the plate number so much the better. I will, if I can, add the ones I see with cell phones and ones who are too stupid to lower the phone while texting. My passenger will assist me because I don't want to be the one to cause a problem on the road.

I gotta ask though why is CAPTCHA using math equations in the mix???

JohnCasey — April 18, 2012 at 4:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert (and Gen and Elisi),

OK - I read Elisi's comment differently, I guess. I don't see what she said as making a comparison in the level of suffering - rather, her comment is one of magnitude and of justification for the conflicts.

About 60K died and over 150K were wounded in Vietnam - far more that in our current conflicts. As Elisi notes, our military then had a large number of draftees; now we're entirely volunteer. Further, as I noted before, the level of support given our current war casualties is far superior to what Vietnam war returnees received. Strictly from those perspectives, Elisi could be considered correct.

Where I think Elisi misses the mark is comparing the reasons for the wars. In my mind, they were virtually identical.

Vietnam was about the godless commies overrunning the world. Total BS; it was about Rockefeller's Standard Oil trying to take control of some of the larger oil fields in the world off of Vietnam. We supported Ho Chi Minh during WW2 - some say to open the Burma Trail, some say to stop Chinese expansion, and others say to help build his capability to throw the French out after the war was over. Whatever - the fact is that Standard was buying anyone and everyone involved in the post-French gov't there.

If our 9/11 response was solely about being attacked by Bin Laden's group, we would have gone from Afghanistan into Pakistan to get him - as soon as he escaped from the fight where we took out much of his forces there (the place name escapes me; it's 5:30 a.m.). We would have then had a nice little discussion with the Saudi royal family about what needs to be done with their clerics and schools that were breeding grounds for these terrorists. But instead, we went after Saddaam in Iraq - over a number of contentions that are still unsettled. Why? Well, I sort of recall several discussions that we were going to fund reconstruction and building their new economy using their oilfields. And KBR, Haliburton, and all their cronies descended like flies.

So, though many (to include, I think, Elisi) believe the current wars are justified in that they're being fought to stop the global spread of Muslim fundamentalism - at the root, wars are about dollars.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 5:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, I don't think she missed the mark. She was merely explaining that she does not think lesser of one war to another and that there should be no comparison of the lives lost or injuries. It is easy for the younger folks of today to shrug off wars as less important...the wars which haven't occurred in their lifetime. BTW, good point about Agent Orange.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2012 at 5:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere...the Big Bang Theory is one of the funniest I've seen in a long time. Just listening to Sheldon's philosophy and his frank humor...for once, it's good to have a television show that hasn't fallen to the ills of dumbing down.

BTW, to those Trekkie fans...Janeway had Kirk and Picard beat!!! (I'm surprised the men have stepped up and mentioned Seven of Nine on this one!).

goldenoldie — April 18, 2012 at 5:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Boy oh boy...time for that last cup of coffee! I meant to say "I'm surprised the men HAVEN'T stepped up..." I'm sure everyone knew what I meant.

Hey everyone...I'll be stepping away from the forum for awhile. I have a heavy schedule in the coming weeks as I work towards reaching some of my life goals. I wish all the best to each and every one of you and will be thinking about the laughs we've shared...especially the life boat (thanks to Manthou's original comment...8))...!!! I might be stopping by a couple of times, who knows???

Take care!!! And remember, be kind to your fellow forum friends. The power of words can be overwhelming sometimes!!!

Live long and prosper....!!! (thanks to the Vulcans for that one).

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BAHHHHHHH-ZINGA!!!!

goldenoldie — April 18, 2012 at 6:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I had a hard time accepting Captain Picard. To me, Patrick Stewart was Sejanus, the prefect of the Praetorian Guard under Emperor Tiberius in the I Claudius series. I kept waiting for Picard to have someone hauled off and executed.

James Tiberius Kirk rules!!! All others were pretenders.

My rationale? Capt Kirk was about conquering the villains and the hot babes of the universe. Simple stuff, that guys can relate to. All the others were too busy moralizing about the meaning of life, or some such silliness.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, exactly. Original series was so straightforward and so much fun. Kirk fought the bad guys and got the girls. Spock and Doc argued and Scottie kept them afloat. End of story, still the best. Picard drank tea and thought. Boring.

I liked the new movie, thought Chris Pine had Shatner down pat there at the end.

luvithere — April 18, 2012 at 6:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


drift-

or should that be Cap'n Drift?

I read the pages on amazon. I'm in.

Looks like an easy, quick, and VERY entertaining read, a different angle on "it is what it is" whatever the hell it supposed to be. I probably won't leave the book around where my grandsons could find it, not because of the language, but rather I doubt I'd ever see it again.

mrd — April 18, 2012 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — April 18, 2012 at 6:59

Tea? Romulan ale, and then find something we don't understand and blow it up. Now that's the way a starship captain should act.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 18, 2012 at 5:47 a.m.

No, Elisi's point is quite clear, people our age should tell people Gen's age when to go to war, and if they object to going to die for a cause they don't believe in... well they are insolent little brats.

Do any of you people even remember what was going on when we were Gen's age?

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 7:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, I do remember. I remember thinking the Vietnam war was total BS, and I was younger than Gen then. I tend to agree with Roger's assessment on wars (see above), so I think what we do now is also total BS. We got some nice new scapegoat (Islam) to make people rich.
I was and still am all for going to get Bin Laden.But we are in Afghanistan for what? Rare earth minerals at the moment. we went to Iraq, hm, forgot the motive de jour at the moment.

What some of us took exception with was Gen's attack on Elisi. Sorry, never good to compare to nazis. Or call others a fool. She could have made her point a bit better and calmer.
Off to get work done, all have a good day!

luvithere — April 18, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIhGYu...

Everyone done carpet bombing Gen?

My God people!

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 7:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Uh Fro, how old is she?

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.

Sorry Hawk, she isn't here right now, without permission I wouldn't give out her age.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, I'll start with my last year of high school.

I was driving out to my job after school. I worked at a gas station at 181st and Burnside. It used to be a great neighborhood. As I took the exit off the freeway, I heard them read off my draft number. The anticipation was nerve racking, the whole day. The list was long, as anybody who was involved can remember. The war, we thought, was starting to wind down. Friends I had in school in the upper grades had gone and not come back and that was ALWAYS in the back of your mind. We saw some videos and it scared the hell out of everybody, me included. I thought I'd missed it. They hit the 300s and I was sure my number had been called but then I heard it, December 25 is #361. I almost relieved myself right there. Years, months, days of anticipation over. The chances of me going to war, this year, was minimal. So, off to college I went.

Yea, Fro. I remember.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift is fine, mrd.

For a "military memoir" I believe you'll find it a bit, uh, different. The rampant drug abuse wasn't confined to that ship. I've spoken to sailors from other vessels and they describe the same scenario. Many of the reviewers on Amazon are correct, it's not sugar coated. It's raw and "real."

At just over 50,000 words it is a quick read. Let me know what you think.

And thanks for the beer (royalties go to my beer fund ;^)!

Drift — April 18, 2012 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


KOOL AID KOOL AID TASTES GREAT! KOOL AID KOOL AID...CAN'T WAIT!!!

**Mitt Romney: Fox News Gives Us 'Good, Fair Play'**

"Fox is watched by the true believers," Romney told an audience at a private fundraiser this past weekend. "We need to get the independents and the women."

Asked by Ingraham about that comment, Romney said, "I realize, of course, that Fox has a lot of independent voters, a lot of Democrats that watch. In a network that is fair and balanced, our message gets a good, fair play. But there are some networks that do not give us that fair play...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/mitt-romney-fox-news-good-fair-play_n_1434327.html?ref=politics

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good for the House Dems holding these knuckleheads feet to the fire.

**WORK Act Would Give Low-Income Moms The Same Option As Ann Romney (For 3 Years)**

Democratic Reps. John Lewis (Ga.), Gwen Moore (Wis.), Barbara Lee (Calif.), **Jim McDermott (Wash.)**, Lynn Woolsey (Calif.), Jan Schakowsky (Ill.) and Rosa DeLauro (Conn.) are cosponsors of the WORK Act.

This story has been updated to reflect a change in the bill's title. It is the Women's Option to Raise Kids Act.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/work-act-low-income-moms-ann-romney_n_1434384.html

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Some kind of weird, stingy, corrupt, lemming voter type fraud? Ballot fraud? Is there a name for this other than taxpayer waste brought on by the conservative radicals that led this effort? Why should the taxpayers be held liable for anything these anti-government radicals do? Maybe the multi-millionaire anti-tax/anti-union/anti-abortion/anti-tolls Madore will step up to the plate and pay the bill. :)

**Anti-light rail petitioners fall short of signatures**

The Clark County Auditor’s office has declared more than two-thirds of signatures turned in by light rail opponents seeking a vote to be invalid.

Though their invalid effort will cost taxpayers more than $30,000,...

The PAC is funded by several donors, including anti-Columbia River Crossing activist David Madore,...

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/apr/18/anti-light-rail-petitioners-fall-short-of-signatur/#comments

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Before leading another tax payer funded train wreck, I suggest the people leading the next failed effort be required to provide the cost/funds up front as a retainer as well as proof of American citizenship.

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Part 1

I planned on not ever posting here on the forum again due to a couple people's accusations that is far from the truth of what I meant.
As usual, instead of asking to explain, my words were taken out of context, and twisted.
I will post this then I will gone.

After much thought I have come to the conclusion that some people in this country/post on this forum are suffering from an irresponsible credo I'll call "crisis of culture".
They believe that a person can do whatever they want cause there will be someone else to always take care of them.
Well, those "someone else" has the burden of producing more to take care of those who refuse to take care of themselves.
Once we fix this irresponsible credo of "crisis of culture" our nation's health will return.

Vietnam was a bloody mess and took a toll on our youth. Afghanistan and Iraq, the same. I don't like war any better than the next person,
but there are times when war is the only way. As a adult I understand this. I saw many of my fellow school mates go to Vietnam and not come back. or if they did came home
they did so with body parts missing, paralyzed, and suffering from PTSD. I know cause I worked at the VA in my hometown as a volunteer for the 3 yrs I was in high school.
During Vietnam, 4 of my 5 brothers served, my husband and his 2 brothers. All 8 of them volunteered cause it was what they then thought was what they needed to do.
Much of the mind set of the generation then was if your country needed you, you went. No questions asked.
With Afghanistan, we went to annihilate Bin Laden and his cronies with a full military that was and is all volunteer. Was the job done?..to a certain degree but we will never see the end of terrorism.
Iraq, after finding out that UK's intelligence lied about the WMD's the only reason for being in Iraq was humanitarian to stop the out right slaughter of the people. Then this opens the question of
why we are not doing the same like in Africa and other countries that doing the same. We still see today the effects of PTSD in our troops, we have the highest rates of suicide among our troops now
cause of being deployed over and over. Unlike during Vietnam when one served their year they went home or request to do another tour.
My daughter served her 4 yrs, now my son is looking into serving 6 yrs. So don't go judging me about not caring about our troops. Over the last 45 yrs since I was 15 yrs old I have done more,
cared more for our troops than you, little girl will ever think of. What have YOU done for them? Your juvenile tissy fit yesterday goes to show you still have a lot to learn and a lot of growing up to do.

ELISI — April 18, 2012 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Part 2

As far as turning people in for out of state license, yes I do. But not before I make sure the cars do not have duel state license or a military sticker. The ones I did turn in the parents that dropped their kids off
at school was most times wearing pajamas's and robes. I hardly think someone would drive from Oregon, Ca, Ga, Tx, Mi etc in their robes and pj's to drop the kids off at one of our schools.
If by chance the kids are from Oregon here on a boundary exception those in grade school would be taken to school by the daycare provider or ride a bus. What spurred me to turn them in,
was a DMV worker and an IRS agent that were a neighbors, the three of us witnessed another neighbor for 4 yrs drive two corvettes and a Cadillac with Oregon plates a different one each day. While the rest of us
paid (at that time high rates) $300-400 for each of cars licenses.
If one would have taken the time to research, I believe the money that is collected in fees and taxes for out of state license goes to the general fund, it might go to help with programs such as state health care, to mention one.

Now lay this to rest, The more you bring it up, the more you try...the light dims on you!

Take care all...enjoy life

Goodbye!

ELISI — April 18, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


elisi you stick your chin out and make personal insults more than anyone else that posts here. I believe it was a little more than your Bill O'Reilly take on the Iraq war that caused Gen to take the argument to you.

*I will post this then I will gone.* What's up with the glass jaw, dish it out but can't take it? :)

How dramatic! In all seriousness, please continue to post. I appreciate your postings as the hurling of insults and narrow conservative views you offer up are emblematic of today's misinformed bigoted & politically misguided conservative movement.

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


To quote Lou "oh well"

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 1:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

You're starting to sound like Mike Briggs. You might want to read the article again.

The petition was submitted by City Councilor Bill Turlay and Vancouver residents Larry Patella, Debbie Peterson, Steve Herman, Charlie Stemper, Ralph Peabody and Donald Yingling. Larry Patella actually started the survey. Debbie Peterson is apparently out rounding up signatures to make up the deficiency. Whether she's successful is immaterial to me - this is a Vancouver City petition; it's intent is to keep Mayor Leavitt and City Council from spending City money to pay the $2.5 million annual Ops and Maint for rail if Prop 2 fails at the polls.

David Madore was only a donor - your comment is clearly intended to present him as being at fault for this. A couple of the people listed - Larry Patella and Charlie Stemper - have been very vocally opposed to the CRC for several years now. I don't know them, but kind of doubt they'd appreciate you considering them stooges of Madore.

As for "conservative radicals" and "anti-government radicals" - gee, you're talking about several of us here in the Basement. We've been addressing the problems with the CRC and light rail for a long time now; some much longer than David Madore has been actively involved.

As for lemming types - tell us how a $3.4 billion project, that will likely grow to being closer to $10 billion due to interest payments and toll revenues being lower than projected, doesn't fit your definition of fraud? Especially when the CRC itself says it won't make the commute to Portland any faster, and light rail won't be able to move enough people to reduce auto traffic by more than 2%? Pardon me for being inconsiderate, but those of you who are buying the crap of a 9.0 earthquake or the need for light rail to save our future world strike me as being the sheep in the crowd.

But at least I'm glad to see you finally consider this an issue worth discussing on the main forum here, rather than trying to chase us back to the separate room you wanted us to stay in before.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

"elisi you stick your chin out and make personal insults more than anyone else that posts here. I believe it was a little more than your Bill O'Reilly take on the Iraq war that caused Gen to take the argument to you."

Unfair.

I personally have helped you denigrate the religious beliefs some here hold, calling them fairy tales, etc. And I also recall your campaign a few months back to piss off a few of the ladies who were offended by your rather blatant sexism. Your comment to elisi is one of those "when you point a finger at me, three are pointing back at you" moments.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Roger,

My take on the whole light rail deal is this (and always has been), If the Metro Morons want to expand their little train over to our side of the big ditch, they should pay for it. They should pay for expansion, construction, purchase of the property, and maintenance. ***It's not our train, the only thing we should pay for is the fare to ride it, should we choose to.***

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.,

Yep, a lot of us were paying close attention to those lotteries. When they held the '71 lottery, I was getting ready to return for my sophomore year in college and had pretty much decided it wasn't for me. My number was 50, so my mind was changed very quickly. Mine was the last year a II-S deferment kept you in school; the next year they quit honoring them.

There was a humorous side to this. Three Dog Night was playing a concert on The Little League ballfield in Williamsport. A local radio station that was one of the sponsors gave a pair of free tickets to everyone who got a number - I gather ticket sales weren't doing too well. Anyhow, the crowd was overrun by a bunch of dope smoking hippies - something I don't believe the organizers were expecting when they did the giveaway. But the band was down with it - a lot of comments about sharing with them, etc - and they actually turned out to be a good act.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye,

Agree 100%. And I'm glad to see that someone recognizes that this all stems from Metro, and their vision that we're all one area under their leadership. They've got an interesting little document posted to their website that shows they plan on dictating all transportation development from Longview to Salem. Also, Vancouver is a nonvoting member to their little council - no one from this side of the River has a vote.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow, I went to work yesterday afternoon and the comments certainly stacked up.

Elisi, I am not even going to argue with you since it has been proven that I can not respond to your ridiculous, archaic, totalitarian views without people tearing me a new one about my insolence.

I will say this though, my comment did border on the inappropriate and after reviewing it if I could go back I would not have commented on the forum before my morning coffee as I tend to be extra b*tchy and even less tactfully first thing in the morning but, you are the one who threw the "fit". We all know you aren't leaving the forum for more then a few days. Your hissy fit was nothing but an attempt to get people angry and drive me off the forum but that's not going to work. If you were really as insulted as you claim you would have reported my comment to Matt and used that nifty little "ignore" button that I am now using it on you.

Thanks for the support Nailingit and Drift.

Hawkeye to answer your question I am 19. Yes there is a lot I don't know about the world but I guess I'd rather be slightly naive and childish then compromise my morals and integrity which seems to be the "adult" thing to do. I'm not going to bow down to Elisi or you when you have completely whacked out ridiculous opinions just because you are older then I. Now if you were talking about an issue that did relate to age like investing in retirement or whether or not the elderly should have to take a driving test to renew their license (Not that you are that old, just an example) then I would probably put higher stock in your opinions.

Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey roger- I'm just drumming up forum discussion! But I have to ask you a few things...

Given that my rant was targeted to taxpayer $$$ burden and fraudulent signatures for this wasted effort...you seem to have taken it for more than what it was.

*A couple of the people listed - Larry Patella and Charlie Stemper - have been very vocally opposed to the CRC for several years now. I don't know them, but kind of doubt they'd appreciate you considering them stooges of Madore.*

Please source the whole stooges thing.

*As for "conservative radicals" and "anti-government radicals" - gee, you're talking about several of us here in the Basement.*

"...conservative radicals that **led** this effort?"

I wasn't aware you all had money and resources/time invested. Maybe you guys should help Madore pay the bill. You helped create it!

*Pardon me for being inconsiderate, but those of you who are buying the crap of a 9.0 earthquake or the need for light rail to save our future world strike me as being the sheep in the crowd.*

I don't ponder earthquakes too much. I got enough shake rattle n' roll. Interesting thought line though.

*But at least I'm glad to see you finally consider this an issue worth discussing on the main forum here, rather than trying to chase us back to the separate room you wanted us to stay in before.*

It wasn't more than a few weeks agoI encouraged (I think it was JohnCasey) to post about the CRC/BRT/LIGHTRAIL/JETPACKS/SPEED BOATS/ETC. I believe he preferred the quietness of the CRC separate room provides. I can't blame him) was discussed. Something like that. Peace.

Again...taxpayers shouldn't have to fund this failed, seemingly fraudulent effort. (2 THIRDS SIGNATURES WERE INVALID???)

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *And I also recall your campaign a few months back to piss off a few of the ladies who were offended by your rather blatant sexism.*

Now that's offensive. Source it. Please! :))

What an absurd accusation.

Should be easy to source roger. I can't wait!

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen, seriously, you are nothing but a wanna be, wanna know, wanna wanna wanna. Your opinion means little or nothing based on your years alone. Now if I was to ask you about your opinion of, actually I can't think of anything I'd want your opinion on. Maybe the best college to go to or about the latest movie about zombies. Other than that, you have no viable input. Your life experience amounts to 2 out of 100. And to have the audacity to come here and berate someone who is your senior by a factor of 2.5, your mouth is writing checks that your butt can't cash.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Your comment to elisi is one of those "when you point a finger at me, three are pointing back at you" moments.*

Where's the finger roger? :) I've got one on each hand that seem to be twitching and crying out for prolonged extension!

What a crappy thing to accuse me of. Shame on ya!

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 2:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.

She has at least 40iq points on you and is not destined to a be a union parasite. In short she is worth 50 people like you.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Stark told The Huffington Post. "I think we should take Mr. Romney at his most recent word and change our federal laws to recognize the importance and legitimacy of raising young children. That's why I'm introducing the WORK Act to provide low-income parents the option of staying home to raise young children without fear of being pushed into poverty."

Nail, Isn’t it irresponsible to have children when you cannot support them properly....I have a son who waited till he was 30 with his wife so they had means to clothe, bath, feed, educate and insure before they had a child, isn't that the responsible thing to do? Mitt isn't forcing women back to work, he is trying to make it easier for them to actually provide for this or more children depending on how many there are.

vanwadreamer — April 18, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- This is all your fault! If it wasn't for that damn boat scenario! :)))

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- I supported said statement because the Dems are forcing the hypocrisy of House GOP to back up their recent statements concerning the whole CNN stay at home mother issue.

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro, then that means she has 70 points on you, huh? You don't know me, you don't know my IQ and if she is so smart then how come she doesn't realize just how much she doesn't know? It's nice that you stand up for your little girl but really, if she's all that bright, I'm sure she can do it herself. In short, she may be worth 50 people like you but as far as I'm concerned, she's still just a lump of clay.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail, must defend you. To the best of my recollection, you did not make sexist comments. That was always Alleycat.
Naturally, IF you are Alleycat, then well...

luvithere — April 18, 2012 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Naturally, IF you are Alleycat, then well...*

Oh the world of avatarial relationships! I'd be more of a house cat than alleycat!

Although I haven't been neutered, I never miss the box!

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I’m not sure, but I think this came out of Plato’s dialogue “Apology”. I’m also not sure of the exact quote, but it goes something like this:

> Who is wiser: the man who thinks he knows something or the man who knows he knows nothing?

OK. Thought I’d just throw that one out there. Now you can all go back to ripping each other apart.

kn_dalai — April 18, 2012 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What happened to my statement about roger being a gentleman and I felt sorry for him sifting through my statements? Looks like the local forum po po can't decipher innocuous from offensive. If this is the case then the C really has to get someone else with a little more insight and understanding!

Matt if you removed it then man up and say why. There was absolutely nothing close that was derogatory...except to myself!.....Incredible!!!

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 3:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nail,

The ladies were complaining about your avatars, as I recall. Now, personally I enjoyed them. But you went through a spell where some were considered offensive by a few of our regulars.

At least, I think that was you.

Matt,

Kindly put Nail's comment back up. We're just pissing with each other; we'll be best buds two days from now. I promise.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


MATT,

And beside - I accused Nail of sounding like Mike Briggs. For that, I should probably apologize.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit, I removed it because of the masked swear word -- and those are against our community guidelines.

In case you haven't seen them before, you can review the guidelines here: http://www.columbian.com/guidelines/

Now, granted, maybe you meant to say "Payback is a waffle" or "Payback is a blanket" and just didn't feel like filling in the blanks. But I doubt it.

(By the way, to everyone who detests CAPTCHA -- I thought you would find it amusing that I now have to enter CAPTCHA when posting to the Columbian's Facebook page. No one is safe -- not even Facebook!)

Matt Wastradowski — April 18, 2012 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- The one post he (I assume Matt) removed was nothing but complimentary if I recall. I'm no longer kidding about the need for someone who...thinks differently then Matt.

Anyone catch Matt's Twitter account the last couple of weeks? :) I was quite surprised with the swearing and constant references to alcohol. I am anything but a prude. Trust me!!! But someone in Matt's chosen position......judging comments for appropriateness n' all.

Tsk tsk.

---

roger-No need to recall. Source. Crappy accusation you made. Unwarranted and false.

*I also recall your campaign a few months back to piss off a few of the ladies who were offended by your rather blatant sexism.*

*some were considered offensive by a few of our regulars.*

Science & Mohamed offend a few of the regulars...and...

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


----- is a masked swear word? Wow! Perhaps you should follow your own advice. I guess representing the C on twitter feed is...special.

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ha, nailingit. I was in New Orleans! I copped to drinking a beer on two occasions, admitted to trying a hurricane, and lamented the lack of a microbrew scene down there. (And on none of those occasions was I remotely intoxicated!) I'm sorry for acknowledging the existence of alcohol in New Orleans; I won't make that mistake again.

And I swore once! The Treme Brass Band really was great! I had a lot of fun there! You would have sworn, too, if you had been there! (In all seriousness, though, that was unwarranted on my part. Not my best judgment, I'll admit.)

In any event, I'm flattered that you keep up with my feed. I hope that you find some modicum of entertainment and humor every once in awhile.

Oh, and, yes, that's a masked swear word. Don't mask swear words, and don't swear.

Matt Wastradowski — April 18, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt Wastradowski (Columbian Staff) — April 18, 2012 at 4:05 p.m

How the " " are we supposed to get our point across?

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Matty, if you can't mask the swear words (which I don't understand) and can't swear (which I do understand), what's left? Oh, and what's the definition of a swear word, again?

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I suppose the best way to get your point across would be to make well-thought, coherent, rational, and respectful arguments, backed up by credible sources when applicable.

But that's just me.

Matt Wastradowski — April 18, 2012 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I'm sorry for acknowledging the existence of alcohol in New Orleans; I won't make that mistake again.*

No need Matt. Just pointing out the glass house thing. Many of us classify alcohol as a drug. Not only as a drug, but the most widely used, most dangerous drug available today. I supposed if you copped to smoking a joint on two occasions, tried some X and lamented the lack of an oxy scene you most likely wouldn't be writing! I get it.

*(And on none of those occasions was I remotely intoxicated!)*

Really? What the hell is wrong with you? Vacationing in NO and not buzzed? :)

*(In all seriousness, though, that was unwarranted on my part. Not my best judgment, I'll admit.)*

No Matt, it wasn't unwarranted. You're in NO for Christ's sake. If people are old enough to twitter, they shouldn't get bitter! Anyone that navigates the basement is of age also. We do have the ignore button. Why that does not negate your job I don't know. Outside of blatant swearing or hate speech, people should be allowed to nuance their conversation freely.

*In any event, I'm flattered that you keep up with my feed. I hope that you find some modicum of entertainment and humor every once in awhile.*

I have a new respect for you Matt! Great slam as I am left with head in hand. :))

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *We're just pissing with each other; we'll be best buds two days from now. I promise.*

Agreed. I forgive you my forum bro. :) Yea I saith to unto thee, go and sin no more. :))

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**THE COARSENING OF THE CULTURE.**

You know how it was, back in our day, when parents didn’t have to worry about their children walking to school.

When school kids got detention for spitballs, not prison for murder.

And when certain words were not used in public.

A lot of good things have happened in the last 50 years. But a lot of bad things have also happened.

No doubt, there are a myriad of reasons for all of this, but as far as I’m concerned, the entertainment industry has had an especially large part in the coarsening part.

Maybe the Columbian is just trying to keep things a little less coarse, and deserves some credit, instead of ridicule.

Punched in a few keywords. Found this site in which the writer addresses a few of these things.

[http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/the-coarsening-of-america/][1]

[1]: http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/the-coarsening-of-america/

kn_dalai — April 18, 2012 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ooooooh man...not the scourge of manufactured faux news culture wars again. The evil entertainment industry...I suppose you have a point. The 700 Club is pretty much infoporn.

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 5:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: The IQ argument.

From I, Claudius.

Claudius: Senators, it is true that I am hard of hearing, but you will find it is not for want of listening. As for speaking, again, it's true I have an impediment. But isn't what a man says more important than how long he takes to say it? It's true again I have little experience of government. But, then, have you more? I at least have lived with the imperial family who has ruled this empire ever since you so spinelessly handed it over to us. I've observed it working more closely than any of you. Is your experience better than that? As for being half-witted: well, what can I say, except that I have survived to middle age with half my wits, while thousands have died with all of theirs intact. Evidently, quality of wits is more important than quantity.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Agreed. I forgive you my forum bro. :) Yea I saith to unto thee, go and sin no more. :)) -- nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.

Uh, actually my friend, I was thinking of your short attention span - I figured within a day or two you'll have forgotten everything that happens today.

(Joking!)

roger — April 18, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 18, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.

It has been 30 some years since I have read I Claudius and Claudius the God. I need to dig them out and read them again.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: the IQ argument.

I have known some folks, in my life, who were not granted the best of brains, but made a good showing for themselves. I’ve seen others, with the best of brains, who have collapsed. In sports, any number of people fit this description. As well as finance. And any other walk of life. Reminds me of that movie “Fargo”.

> There are many ways to be smart, and there are many ways to be stupid. -- Kn_dalai.

kn_dalai — April 18, 2012 at 5:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**"Gen, seriously, you are nothing but a wanna be, wanna know, wanna wanna wanna."**

What do I "wanna" be Hawkeye? Seems to me you are the one getting angry because I don't "wanna" be like you? The only thing I want is to make this world a bit better then it was when I got here and being active in politics and my community seems to be the way to do it.

**"Your opinion means little or nothing based on your years alone."**

Hawkeye, your attacks on me based solely on my age just prove your own ignorance.

**Your life experience amounts to 2 out of 100. And to have the audacity to come here and berate someone who is your senior by a factor of 2.5, your mouth is writing checks that your butt can't cash.**

Why do so many old people believe that the young are the disrespectful ones? I am only disrespectful to people when they have earned my disrespect, people like you on the other hand disrespect close to a 1/3rd of the people in this world simply because we are young.

Your argument that old people automatically have more life experience then the young is ridiculous. I'm pretty sure a 16 year old pregnant refugee on the West Bank has more "life experience" then any 50-something year old man who has spent his life in Vancouver Washington.

On a side note isn't it interesting that according to you I'm not old enough to have an opinion or any "viable input" but 13 year olds are mature enough to stand trial as adults? (April 13, 2012 at 10:10 p.m) Bit of a double standard.

Fro, Kn dalai, Roger

IQ is not a measure of a persons worth, actually a lot of times it seems that the higher someone's IQ is the less compassion and basic human decency they possess.

Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> IQ is not a measure of a persons worth, actually a lot of times it seems that the higher someone's IQ is the less compassion and basic human decency they possess. -- Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.

I was just wondering...who you think fits this description.

kn_dalai — April 18, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen,

As far as you being disrespectful only to those that "earned" your disrespect, who are you to judge? Aren't you the one that said you only respect those that have earned your respect? You can't have it both ways.

"Your argument that old people automatically have more life experience ***then*** the young is ridiculous."

OK, let's start here. It's THAN.

My argument that "old people" have more life experience THAN a 16 year old is spot on. And a 50 year old on the West Bank has that much more life experience THAN a pregnant 16 year old on the West Bank. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges.

I never said that you weren't old enough to have an opinion and I never said that a 13 year old should stand trial as an adult.

If you are going to put words in my mouth, at least get it right.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kn_dalai

Well it's not everybody but there are a lot of people who use their intelligence to gain power which they then abuse. Look at people like Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, all very intelligent men who used their intelligence for evil. These are extreme cases obviously but there are also a lot of people you meet in every day life who think they are superior because they are just a teeny bit smarter then the majority, and feel that justifies them bullying or manipulating those who they deem to be of lower intelligence then themselves.

Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


At sixty, I know little more about wisdom than I did at thirty, but I know a great deal more about folly. -- Mason Cooley (professor emeritus, the College of Staten Island)

roger — April 18, 2012 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, there is more then one level of respect. There is the blanket level of respect that you should have for everyone and from there people either earn or gain it.

The point is Hawkeye, you know nothing of my life though so for all you know you are comparing apples and oranges.

Yes you did say that my "opinion means little or nothing based on your years alone." and I cited the post where you said that a group of children ranging in age from 13 to 19 should be tried as adults. Don't try to skew things when you are confronted by your own hypocrisy.

Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 6:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult. -- Sigmund Freud

roger — April 18, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” ― Søren Kierkegaard

roger — April 18, 2012 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“I make mistakes like the next man. In fact, being--forgive me--rather cleverer than most men, my mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger.” ― J.K. Rowling

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“I think of myself as an intelligent, sensitive human being with the soul of a clown which always forces me to blow it at the most important moments.” ― Jim Morrison

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“I always appear smarter when I dress up in my giant nipple costume. I know this because I'll overhear people say things like, "At least he's not a complete boob.” ― Jarod Kintz

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen

***"On a side note isn't it interesting that according to you I'm not old enough to have an opinion"***

That's NOT what I said. I did say your opinion means little or nothing based on your years alone. Years don't contribute to opinion, it's what is done in those years that helps create opinion. Maybe by the time you experience more in your life, you will understand that.

Respect is respect, it's not a degree of measure. You either do or don't.

You are right, I know only what you have shared about your life, and YOU know only what I have shared about me. If you get my drift?

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.” ― George Carlin

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.

"As far as you being disrespectful only to those that "earned" your disrespect, who are you to judge?"

I'm quite sure that she is the **only** one that can judge what her opinion is.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And one of my favorites from one of my favorites ---

What a fine thing it is to have an intellect, and room enough in the seat of your breeches to hold it. -- Mark Twain

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow, Fro.

Good for you, jump right in there and stick up for her. I'm pretty sure she can't help herself. What is this, tag team harassment? Apparently I need a team mate.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Be respectful to your superiors, if you have any; also to strangers, and sometimes to others. If a person offends you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measure; simply watch your chance and hit him with a brick. That will be sufficient. If you shall find that he had not intended any offense, come out frankly and confess yourself in the wrong when you struck him; acknowledge it like a man, and say you didn't mean to. -- Mark Twain

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Actually, I have more important things to do tonight, like watch the grass grow. See ya, wouldn't want to beee ya.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OH, and fro,

Explain the difference between "then" and "than" to her. It really makes one look bad if they don't know.

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You know, Gen, I'm still curious about the drunken Allen comment. It's been a while, but someone used to come out of the woodwork every once in a while and accuse him of that. Used to send him into a bit of a rage. I'm not positive, but think this was all before your time on here - though Allen's departure may have been after you joined in.

And Alleycat was long gone. So your comment about Alleynit seems odd.

To quote Alice, Curioser and curioser.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.

Well Gen,

If you wish to debate the issue, then I shall pull the book: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, off the shelves of my personal library, in which the author called Hitler: a“genius” within the first 20 pages or so. (My personal library? Yeah,I thought that might get you going).Political genius: Is amoral in its description.

However, do not confuse the idea of genius, with that of high IQ. You are confusing intelligence with manipulative abilities.

Certainly, Hitler was a political genius, in his ability to bring a bankrupt country back from economic collapse, to that of economic and military powerhouse, in the course of 15 years or so. Hitler can well be called a genius, without necessarily having a high IQ. The ideas of genius and IQ are badly misunderstood, as are the ideas of conservative and liberal.

On another note, while Einstein is the epitome of “Genius” , Einstein hardly had the highest IQ. Far from it. There is an ability to see things, which IQ cannot test for.

There are many ways to be smart, and there are many ways to be stupid. -- Kn_dalai.

kn_dalai — April 18, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 18, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.

It was sportyjames that always made the statements about allen, however rambling often pointless posts, each and every evening about 8pm made it pretty easy to draw that conclusion.

Allen, if by chance you still read these, no offense, just an observation, I would enjoy it if you were allowed to return.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger Roger Roger, I say it again. You are my philosopher. It is so refreshing to see you post and be so incredibly knowledgeable and so widely read. Always a total pleasure!

Kn at 7:39pm: rats, I actually agree with your post. well stated, and your self-quote is spot on.

luvithere — April 18, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere,

You flatter me. Google is a wonderful tool; search for something you know, and a surprising amount of other interesting stuff may show up.

roger — April 18, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.

All of us on here, you included, make minor grammatical errors, pointing out Gen's to try to make yourself look brighter, is just pathetic.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now Roger, you should not admit such things. Better for me to think you are a Renaissance man. And one must already know something to google for something!
Pleasant night, off to read a book.

luvithere — April 18, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai,

If you want to get a good look into the hatred that fueled the Third Reich, track down The Goebbels Diaries. I found a copy of the 1942-1943 compilation in a used book shop somewhere, and it amazed me that someone could take the beliefs of a man like Hitler and turn them into a way of thinking that led to so many being willing to perpetrate the Final Solution. Amazon has all of the editions - I never got past this one. And some or all are out there as PDFs....

roger — April 18, 2012 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh fro, how could I possibly make myself look smarter than Gen since she is obviously more intelligent than me by at least 40 IQ points. (according to you) I mean really, if that is indeed true, than she would NEVER make ANY mistakes. Would she.

Of course, I could really be a communist spy and this is all a trap. BTW, remind me, what countries are still communist?

hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"'At sixty, I know little more about wisdom than I did at thirty, but I know a great deal more about folly.' -- Mason Cooley (professor emeritus, the College of Staten Island)"

I *really* do like that one.

Drift — April 18, 2012 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 18, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.

"how could I possibly make myself look smarter than Gen"

You can't, you just tried, and failed.

"BTW, remind me, what countries are still communist?"

What if anything does this have to do with our conversation? If you are trying to look smarter then I am, you again failed.

frobert — April 18, 2012 at 10:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger,

Sorry, I saw you post this before but I got distracted by other comments.

You are mistaken I believe, about when I originally started posting on the forum. I've been on here over a year. When I started posting Alleycat, Basil, Alan, and Scro... I mean Sporty were all still on here. When the the Guys got kicked off the forum I got mad and left for a while because Alan was my favorite.

Genevieve — April 18, 2012 at 11:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If I may lend input to the smart/stupid conversation. Thinking ability, smarts, intellect, I.Q. reasoning abilities, etc. can't be properly measured in linear fashion. Those with learning disabilities and those physically handicapped, society has labeling procedures for that but we are learning. Minus an outward savant moment, our capabilities of understanding *any* type of intellect is stunted with pre-conceived ideas and biases. Humans intrinsically lack the ability to see beyond our own noses, let alone properly judge another's intelligence.

But if we are to start.....let's throw the yardstick away. Think prismatically. So many roads both in and out up and down sideways and beyond, our thoughts solidify at some point causing corresponding action. Much of that corresponding action is supplanted with environmental/inheritance issues (i.e. Gen & hawks West Bank analogy) that present..a blockage of sorts.

It's the process in tearing down ourselves that we are enlightened. ref. Kn_d @ 3:07 *Who is wiser: the man who thinks he knows something or the man who knows he knows nothing?*

I've known many talented and brilliant people who package that talent and brilliance in many diverse ways, sometimes we don't see or understand it because of that two holed object right below the eyes.

Didn't mean to ramble, I hope I made little sensi.

nailingit — April 18, 2012 at 11:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 18, 2012 at 10:03 p.m.

No, you were answering for gen, I thought you'd like to chime in on that too, since YOU KNOW IT ALL!

hawkeye — April 19, 2012 at 12:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Then there are idiots like these with too much money at their disposal...

**Ann Romney Birthday Fundraiser: Some Attendees Question Obama's Citizenship (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/ann-romney-birthday-fundraiser_n_1432833.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 12:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, Gen - Thanks for the response. I remember your postings here - you'd ID'd yourself as fro's daughter, but of a differing socio-political persuasion, and people going "Oh boy, this is going to be fun!" I thought this was after Alley was gone. Whatever.

roger — April 19, 2012 at 5:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit,

Is High Times still around? Geez - That was one of the required occupants of my coffee table back in the early 70's. My Dad, an old straight-laced Marine officer, was glaring at a copy when he dropped in one day - I told him "Ignore all the dope stuff - check out this cartoon!" The Cheech Wizard - Vaughn Bode's Cartoon Messiah. Had him cracking up - it was the issue where Cheech steps from behind the tree and blows Hong Kong whatever away with a shotgun - "Welcome to the West, (and Matt won't let me finish it)." Next thing I knew, he was scanning the old issues, the Deadbone book, and I forget what else.

One of those "Thanks for the memory" moments. Too bad Vaughn committed suicide so young - his work was brilliant.

roger — April 19, 2012 at 5:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, my favorite was the Furry Freak Brothers.

R. Crumb was hoot. I too turned my folks on to them. My mom was one of the original subscribers to Rolling Stone and later to High Times.

She was a converted Quaker. Go figure. I think my great aunt was responsible for that. My aunt was an original 'flapper girl'. She was the first in the family to go to college in the twenties. She became enlightened at school and was forever lost to her mom. She lived to be 98 and continued to smoke and drink till the day she died.

She smoked and drank and never got along with my step-dad. He was old school and thought women had no business getting into politics. He got upset when High Times appeared in the mail. He was the very definition of being a prig.

JohnCasey — April 19, 2012 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I was reading the morning news, decided to check in on the forum to see what people were saying...and I was quite impressed with one particular comment, enough to take the time out to say this -

Nailingit, your comment on April 18, 2012 at 11:43 p.m....

Quite a profound statement, sir. You deserve more credit than you give yourself.

Also...the comment by Kn_dalai which you highlighted in your statement...LOVE IT!!!

Have a good one, folks! We've got a wonderful weekend weather event coming!

And be kind to each other. Life is too short to hold such bitterness!

goldenoldie — April 19, 2012 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just heard a TV news blurb saying Condy Rice is a top contender for Romney's VP running mate.

Guess the Repubs figure they need someone with brains and a sharp mind to counter The Pres on the campaign trail - too bad we won't get to see the two debate.

And I STILL LIKE CONDY!!! (I got pummeled he last time I made this statement here!)

These CAPTCHA people are too cute for the job they're supposed to be doing. I've got the Old English 's' which looks like an 'f' - which brings me to ask 1) what %age of our population knows what characters like this are, and 2) is their goal to verify we're not auto-generated spam, or is it to keep us from posting?

roger — April 19, 2012 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John Casey,

Yep - Read 'em all! Was it Phineas who turned his neo-Nazi dad and friends on to LSD, and they had a Nordic revival get together? And Fat Freddie's Cat was way better than Fritz!

roger — April 19, 2012 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,

After 5 years in Lacey and over 10 here, I feel comfortable in saying that if the weatherman is calling for a clear and sunny weekend on Thurs morning, then the odds favor overcast with some rain.

Hope I'm wrong, though - enjoy yourself.

roger — April 19, 2012 at 6:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting stuff. West (Palin's choice for VP) is so bound in bigotry it's almost funny. When you cast your vote this year think of West. This is what happens when people vote out of ignorance and frustration.

K_nd...not sure if he uses your favorite "collectivist" label, but he does cover the right wing misinformed labeling quite well. On top of everything, disgraced West is too cowardly to even name one name.

I wonder how these bigoted Tea Baggers speak of West behind his back. What a buffoon!!!

**CNN's Soledad O'Brien Grills Rep. Allen West Over Communists Allegation: 'Name Names For Me' (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/19/soledad-obrien-allen-west-communists-congress_n_1437416.html?ref=media

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie @ 6:22- Thank you for your kind words!

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, those communists, as Allen calls them are actually members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. There are 76 members and Oregon's Peter DeFazio is one of them. Their stated goals are:

"The CPC advocates "universal access to affordable, high quality healthcare", fair trade agreements, living wage laws, the right of all workers to organize into labor unions and engage in collective bargaining, the abolition of significant portions of the USA PATRIOT Act, the legalization of same-sex marriage, US participation in international treaties such as the climate change related Kyoto Accords, strict campaign finance reform laws, a complete pullout from the war in Iraq, a crackdown on corporate welfare and influence, an increase in income tax rates on upper-middle and upper class households, tax cuts for the poor, and an increase in welfare spending by the federal government"

I guess that makes me a communist too. So I guess gen was right all along. Although, I am not a spy.

hawkeye — April 19, 2012 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- Why the Progressive's 'People's Budget' hasn't been entertained from this so-called "socialist president" is beyond me. It seems like a great plan that needs to be pushed into the public spotlight.

*I guess that makes me a communist too.*

Me too! All this crap about communist's, collectivists, socialists, is just that. It's messaging from the right to discredit liberal progressive thought. Kn_d and others may not even realize it when they trash "collectivist thinking", that in actuality they are acting as censors of free progressive/advanced societal thought.

Wait a minute...they totally realize it. That's why they do it! Conservatism by definition is a philosophy abhorrent to change. Throw in a 2000 yr old book of God and combine it with insatiable fear. Another 225 year old document thats "strictly" :)) penned by a bunch of old slave owners and witch hunters as to how we are to function as a *whole* (oops! There's that socialist collectivist communist thinking again!) and a passion to punish those that won't follow their God or beliefs...enter the 2008 version of the Ross Perot/Pat Robertson movement. An ungodly matrimony fused by corporate greed and America's faux Christian movement. Their goal is to bring an end to the very principles that their God Jesus Christ exhorted them to promote.

Conservatives are ruining our Country. One vote at a time.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011041512/peoples-budget-plan-progressive-caucus

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70§iontree;=5,70

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


On another note, THE THIRTY-ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS OF LOCAL TAXPAYER $$$$$$$$ THAT HAS TO BE PAID BACK, in order to pay for a **fraud**ulent attempt to derail any...change, sure has gotten the comments!

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**HAWK**

and this worker's paradise is going to get funded...just how, again?

DeeLittle — April 19, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is it fair to say the bulk of today's "conservatives", in the abstract, are the personification of the Anti-Christ? Is this what the bible (Rev 3:16) was referring to when it references those that shall be spewed from his mouth come judgement day? Because when he was hungry they gave him no food, when he was naked they didn't clothe him type thingy?

Webster's Bible Translation
So then, because thou art luke-warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit thee out of my mouth:

These so-called Christians who are of this world and become a part of it to the point where they seek public office to enact policy the spits in the face of Jesus.. Those who slash dollars to the poor while lining their pockets with government giveaways.

Anti-tolls-anti-light rail-anti-tax-anti-...Christ?

Isn't there a local businessman running for office with this platform?

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What part did you miss, Dee?

The complete pullout of the war? The increase in taxes on the rich? The crackdown on corporate welfare and influence? I'm sure we can include a revised tax code where EVERYBODY ACTUALLY PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE!

I'd still like to see Romney's tax returns for the last 10 years. Oh and Nail, I'd like to see that California Businessman's as well.

hawkeye — April 19, 2012 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


(CNN) -- "Levon Helm, the drummer, multi-instrumentalist and singer for The Band who kept the band's heart for more than three decades, died "peacefully" Thursday afternoon, according to his record label, Vanguard Records. He was 71."

frobert — April 19, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal



hawkey- *I'd still like to see Romney's tax returns for the last 10 years. Oh and Nail, I'd like to see that California Businessman's as well.*

So would I hawk. We should make disclosing tax statements a requirement for all who run for public office. Having said that it sounds a bit intrusive. I'm not quite sure I agree with myself!

There is much to learn about the Romney fortune to include off shore holdings. The Dems need to ramp it up in this direction. How much of his money is tied in with special interest to include Saudi oil corporations/investment groups etc. etc.

fro- They don't come any better. RIP Levon

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOP Ryan's Plan Morally Indefensible** Catholic Leaders Outraged

“If Rep. Ryan thinks a budget that takes food and health care away from millions of vulnerable people upholds Catholic values, then he also probably believes Jesus was a tea partier who lectured the poor to stop being so lazy and work harder,” said Gehring. “This budget turns centuries of Catholic social teaching on its head. These Catholic leaders and many Catholics in the pews are tired of faith being misused to bless an immoral agenda.”
Indeed, 59 Catholic leaders and theologians took issue with Ryan’s claims, signing a scathing letter that slammed the Ryan budget plan.
“Simply put, this budget is morally indefensible and betrays Catholic principles of solidarity, just taxation and a commitment to the common good. A budget that turns its back on the hungry, the elderly and the sick while giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest few can’t be justified in Christian terms,” argue the signatories.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75109.html#ixzz1sXDuDoVD

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Allen West stepped in it, by accusing those Leftists of being members of the Communist Party. But I agree with his sentiment.

Although I have sometimes used the word Socialist, I generally prefer the word Collectivist. I believe it to be a more apropos description, as it includes Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Progressive and one I’ve occasionally heard; Communitarian, as well as Statist, which West mentioned. Which, one way or another, are all about government, over the individual. When it comes to economics.

West made a good point about the differences in political thought. Good for him.

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> West (Palin's choice for VP) is so bound in bigotry it's almost funny. -- nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.

A bigot? And just how have you determined this?

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*. But I agree with his sentiment.* Didn't you ridiculously label and name call some basement dwellers the other day?

Not surprising you appreciate what this idiot stepped in. You support about any radical that trashes the left. Didn't you express warmth for Rusho the other day? I have to think you understand the def of bigot, but we'll review! :) Just for you!

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb
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Examples of BIGOT

He was labeled a bigot after making some offensive comments.

“It's scandalous,” he said, in the tones once used by Colonel Blimp, Britain's best-loved bigot, who adorned the pages of the Evening Standard throughout the 1930s. —Nicholas Fraser, Harper's, September 1996
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Origin of BIGOT

French, hypocrite, bigot
First Known Use: 1660
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Synonyms: dogmatist, dogmatizer, partisan (also partizan), sectarian
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What made you want to look up bigot? Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). The C of course. *"A bigot?"*It was used by a failed addict of sorts...one who steps in it over and over and over and over an...

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Although I have sometimes used the word Socialist, I generally prefer the word Collectivist. I believe it to be a more apropos description, as it includes Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Progressive and one I’ve occasionally heard; Communitarian, as well as Statist, which West mentioned. Which, one way or another, are all about government, over the individual. When it comes to economics.*

You do realize how absurd your beliefs are...don't you??? :))))))))))))

C'mon......you're joking.....right???

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> What made you want to look up bigot? -- nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.

Why nail, considerering your constant and vitriolic diatribes against anti-collectists, i.e. your intolerance: I should rather much think it was because of you.

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> West (Palin's choice for VP) is so bound in bigotry it's almost funny. -- nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.

A bigot? And just how have you determined this?

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I should rather much think it was because of you.*

Yes. I know you do. *Who is wiser: the man who thinks he knows something or the man who knows he knows nothing?* This thought should be ingrained in order to bring enlightenment, not trivialized to take up space or sound off the flavor of the day...

*A bigot? And just how have you determined this?*

That's a blast from the past! Now I'm trying to assess the effect of polarizing redundancy in a dank environment. :) Right now it's a yawner...maybe one more time will change it.

*...but we'll review! :) Just for you!*

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance — big·ot·ed adjective — big·ot·ed·ly adverb See bigot defined for English-language learners » See bigot defined for kids » Examples of BIGOT

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nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzZpV...

For you K_nd! It's important to understand some of our nation's history.

Don'tcha know you betcha!?

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, that’s all very cute and everything, but for the third time: how have you determined that West is a bigot? Do you think that maybe you can actually say something yourself, about this?

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 10:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The right uses Catholic leadership to argue against contraception, then gives them the fiscal high hard one against the ones that need shelter food and clothing. Evil personified.

Conservatives. They are ruining our country. One vote at a time.

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kn_d- I'd rather teach someone to sustain themselves instead of being so...inter-dependent on others to solidify their (in this case your) thinking.

I've provided you with the essentials to solve this. A written statement (to include definition) combined with opinion which will provide you an explanation. In order to help you properly format this equation to better your problem solving skills, I have provided an example...

!+1+!=!1!

Much beyond this and I'll have to consider rates/time/$$$.

Good luck with using the tools I have provided you. It's always better to think for one's self, but as a communist liberal progressive collectivist, I can see the value in helping others. :)

God Bless

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 10:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I don’t think I’m ever going to get a response from nail, about certain things.

So I’ll try you, Hawkeye.

Since you like the CPC ideas, which include higher tax rates for the wealthy, what happened to your advocacy of a flat tax?

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 10:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.

There you are.

Why can't you answer a simple question?

How is Allen West a bigot?

You seem to fit that description, much more than he.

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 10:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Does anyone else find anything strange about anything here.

Perhaps make one wonder?

I sure do.

Good night.

kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 11:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kBqr...

Again. The learning falls on you Grasshopper.

Conservatives are always looking to the past for answers...

When all they need to do is look for the present within themselves. :)

Grasshopper. Take notice.

nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 11:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — April 19, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.

Oh, I still think a flat tax is a great idea but wasn't it you that told me it wouldn't work? I really think tax reform is a must. There are way too many deductions for too many reasons, too many loopholes and too many cheaters. Taxes should be easy and quick and you shouldn't get a deduction if your uncles dog was from a farm in the mid west that was transferred to Washington because he was allergic to corn mites and was in a study to see if he would sneeze sideways if the moon was full and the tide was low.

hawkeye — April 19, 2012 at 11:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- I have a cat from Japan who barks like a loon! I wish it was simpler also. And cheap to have done.

K_nd @ 11:05- So cryptic! Goodnight Grasshopper.

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**HAWK**

you alluded in your post to actions that you'd take which would free up monies to pay for your socialist programs.

i believe it consisted of eliminating the military's current operations, and doing something to control 'big business'.

just how do you see that working to your advantage?

DeeLittle — April 20, 2012 at 12:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*West (Palin's choice for VP) is so bound in bigotry it's almost funny. -- nailingit — April 19, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
A bigot? And just how have you determined this?*

probably because he could spell it.

i know. i need more meds. speaking of the cymbalta, the great government healthcare gods have denied my dr's rx. maybe jhb knows more than we posters do about what's coming.

DeeLittle — April 20, 2012 at 12:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Brian Schweitzer, Montana Governor, Says Mitt Romney's Family 'Came From A Polygamy Commune In Mexico'**

Romney's religion has surfaced repeatedly during the campaign. Robert Jeffress, a Baptist pastor who supported Rick Perry's failed presidential bid, called Mormonism a "cult" and questioned whether Romney was truly a Christian. Jeffress was joined by other evangelicals, who said they believed that Romney's faith would pose a bigger problem for the former Massachusetts governor during the general campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/19/brian-schweitzer-mitt-romney-polygamy_n_1439239.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 12:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I believe that it will take more than five years to change the US Nuns Group. Good luck Pete, with trying to change a group of nuns who believe they should have more say in the church.

The Leadership Conference shouldn't be so shocked or stunned though. Radical feminist themes, HA. Today's nuns aren't as afraid of the church as in the past. Serious Doctrinal Problems? Ya betcha! But the problem is not the nuns.

What would happen if the women of the church decided to go strike? LOL

My wife's going to be upset with this. Not me, but with the church's stance.

JohnCasey — April 20, 2012 at 5:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai - last night, 6:57,
"Which, one way or another, are all about government, over the individual. When it comes to economics."

In my mind, there's a difference between creating wealth and controlling the means of creating wealth.

If I'm going to open a mine, hire people, and make money - that's a good thing.

If I'm going to build a town associated with my mine, and require my workers to live there and shop in the company stores - I'm walking a fine line.

If I'm going to increase my profit line by cutting corners and subsequently creating unsafe working conditions - I need to be controlled.

If I'm going to mine in a manner that destroys the area, polluting waterways and creating massive issues with soil erosion that affect the ability of the farmers living in the next valley over to farm - I need to be controlled.

And if what I'm mining is a critical resource needed by our country, and I elect to export it because someone else will pay me more, then????

To me, these are the issues that make unfettered capitalism undesirable. And they all happened in this country about 100 years ago (and more recently) until gov't began imposing controls.

Having said this, the pendulum can go too far to the controlling side - and we're probably there now. We need to identify and stick with a sane middle ground; one that encourages business development but protects what we find important.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Most excellent post! My thoughts exactly and then some. It's been my experience most conservatives/libertarians are a little short in real life details. I'm guessing the answer will be to allow individual states to decide the value of human life!

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.

Most of your questions were answered at the origin of this country by tort liability. Most of the regulations when it comes to worker safety and environmental, actually limit corporate liability. Who do you think writes the laws? the people?

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.

The States have always decided the value of human life murder, rape and bodily injury laws have always been legislated and adjudicated at the State level.

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Jaime- Cutting off your nose to spite your face .. again? Please consider the values you ran on and the constituents who put you in office. Clearly you are in bed with the powers that be. Clearly you need to be drummed out of office this year. This latest propaganda cost the taxpayer how much??? Between you and dave you've cost the taxpayers the price of a new Vette and a good dinner over the last few days.

I thought conservatives were supposed to save taxpayer's money, not throw it away on propaganda that only a few radicals buy in to. Shame on you. Shame shame shame.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/apr/19/herrera-beutler-medicare-fliers-claims-challenged/#comments

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- Really? What about abortion and civil rights, which in many minds caused or causes more death than anything else? Poisoning the land? Many of you want the EPA destroyed along with any type of regulation. Gun laws?

We see what happens when individual states decide important issues. i.e. Zimmerman just had his bail set at $150,000.

The Fed has and has to step in on important issues. The ever changing make-up of individual States have many laws in a constant state of flux.

Why should it be okay for me to live in Florida and have a license to kill anyone I please as long as there are no witnesses? (stand your ground) Then, for whatever reason I move to Washington State and the state doesn't recognize my penchant for committing murder like Florida? It ain't fair man! ;)

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm guessing the answer will be to allow individual states to decide the value of human life!

fro @ 8:10-*The States have always decided the value of human life...*

Bingo!

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxj...

Obama should have never backed off this statement. It's so true. If I was running his campaign I'd put this out front and center.

Obama needs to quit placating a few in order to sound more centrist.

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.

Keep in mind that one of the first things Hitler did is move the power to the central government. How well did that work out?

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal



fro- This forum is already loaded up with false equivalencies. ref. ELISI posts this week (as well as any other week :).

But here is some company with your line of reasoning...

**John Raese, GOP West Virginia Senate Candidate, Condemned For Nazi-Smoking Ban Comparison**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/john-raese-nazi_n_1440135.html?ref=politics

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 8:54 a.

Didn't the anti smoking propaganda campaign start under Hitler?

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fro,

Tort liability was something the common working man didn't understand, couldn't afford if he did, and probably encountered unsympathetic judges that found reasons to rule against him if he tried. Even banded together under the AFL workers ran into this - and encountered Pinkertons, federal marshals and/or armed troops if they attempted to organize and strike.

I do agree with your comment that many of the regulations limit liability - especially when OSHA is involved. Most on the job accidents can be attributed to unsafe acts on the part of the injured worker. Still, the protection provided the worker is better than what was there before - nothing.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Constitution decides what level these decisions are made at. The Federal level has been trying to usurp these rights for much of our history. The Southern states got fed up with it and exercised their right to secede from the Union - didn't get them too far.

A Constitutional Amendment would be required to automatically put decisions like what's going on in Florida in the hands of the Federal gov't. There were no state lines crossed and, even with all the claims, no evidence to show this would fall under hate crime rules.

And I agree with frobert - I would fear one central power more than 50 separate ones. My options become extremely limited if there's only one real authority.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 19, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.

Hawkeye, I never said it wouldn’t work. I did say that your 8% figure was way too low. So, since you are for a flat tax, and the CPC is for progressive tax rates, I guess there is one item you disagree with them on. You’ve just been demoted from A to A- in your Communist standing.

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.

Roger, I agree with you on this.

Perhaps a pure Libertarian can make a case for laissez faire capitalism, but I can see a compelling reason for limited government regulation of industry, over employee safety and environmental concerns. It’s the limited thing that’s tricky. For many on the Left, who preach “economic justice”, i.e. government distribution/redistribution of wealth, this is just the first step on a long road.

I don’t know how many businesses Chavez has nationalized in Venezuela, but I believe it’s in the hundreds, and now Kirchner, in Argentina, is doing the same thing. Considering the state of events in the Socialist countries of the 20th century, it’s hard to see how they think the outcome will be different this time.

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 11:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fro @ 9:17- I don't know.

roger- *I would fear one central power more than 50 separate ones. My options become extremely limited if there's only one real authority.*

By and large I agree large and little.

To include Civil Rights? Taxation? Defense? Normally States rights for most things make sense.

But in this bagger/anti-American/starve the middle class/take away women's rights/plutocracy world the Fox news/non-informed/bigoted conservative junkies watch 24/7, we have to be especially cautious of local government that continually enact legislation that spits in the faces of the majority.

2012 should undo most of the damage (hopefully) that many of the so-called "independents" and right wingers caused when they voted them in. This is the most loathed do nothing congress in United States History. I wish a show would dedicate (outside of C-SPAN) that would list everyday accomplishments from these people to include the latest Herrera-Beutler-Jaime-whatever scandal. Many states are finding ways around Federal law to enact radical right wing legislation. i.e. women's health care, abortion, contraception, extremely liberal gun laws, restricting voter freedoms, teaching the world is flat, etc. etc. & ... etc.

Bye bye taxpayer dollars! Thanks for the great $$$$$$$$$ propaganda JHB, and dave, I would expect nothing less. You represent today's conservative movement to a *tea*.

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And Dee,

> probably because he could spell it.

HA!

But come on now...don't you think those caring government bureaucrats, and the government legislators, know more about your situation than you do?

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.

Oh darn, well I guess you can't win them all. While we are being honest here, I'm not to sure about the "fair trade agreements" either. I guess I'd have to see them to determine just how "fair" they are. If that demotes me to B+, that's OK. We have a lot people in office that are pushing Fs all over the place.

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, be careful about using that letter F. You may find yourself taken from the basement, to the wood shed.

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Current Republican presidential nominee Newt Leroy Gingrich referred to it on Meet The Press (about the Ryan plan/medicare)

“I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering,”

Kn_d @ 11:33-You are always quick to jump on an insult Grasshopper. But yet denounce the level of conversation in the last 50 years! Look within yourself my child.

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yIkD...

Have you a...

...burdon Grasshopper?

Does the bird seek to be admired when it sings in the forest?

Take to heart the understanding you are compelled to give others.

Make it real in your heart and life Grasshopper...

...if you wish to grow.

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Planned Parenthood In Ohio, Wisconsin Loses Battles**

Defunding Planned Parenthood through Ohio's budget bill is a way for GOP lawmakers to pass the measure without having to vote on a separate bill, which would likely cause controversy. The Planned Parenthood amendment, introduced by Republicans in the House Finance Committee on Tuesday, puts family planning clinics that provide abortions in the bottom tier of priority for Title X funds, making it more likely that the state will run out of money before it can provide any funding to Planned Parenthood.

The amendment further prohibits federal funds from the Minority HIV/AIDS Initiative, the Violence Against Women Act, the Breast and Cervical Cancer Mortality Prevention Act and the Infertility Prevention Project from going to Planned Parenthood or any other family planning clinic that provides abortions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/war-on-planned-parenthood-ohio-wisconsin_n_1441148.html

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.

"Current Republican presidential nominee Newt Leroy Gingrich"

Newt is the nominee? When did that happen? How long was I asleep?

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 11:43 a.m

I'm not too worried. I'm sure Matt will know what I mean. If not, I'm sure I can explain it to him.

Hey Matt, It stands for FAIL. Not any dirty words, no hidden meanings, nothing nefarious.

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, he did win in Georgia, didn't he? I suspect that makes him their nominee, wouldn't it?

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 12:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- Georgia & part of Guam!

fro- Substitute candidate for nominee, I mis..typed.

All of a sudden Barack sounds pretty mainstream compared to Willard and Leroy!

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 1:09 p.m

"All of a sudden Barack sounds pretty mainstream compared to Willard and Leroy!"

When it comes to more war and less freedom, the three agree completely.

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***This just in;***

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The problem started when international hackers ran an online advertising scam to take control of infected computers around the world. In a highly unusual move, the FBI set up a safety net months ago using government computers to prevent Internet disruptions for those infected users. But that system will be shut down this summer.

The FBI is encouraging users to visit a website run by a security partner that will inform them whether they're infected — and explain how to fix the problem. After July 9, infected users won't be able to connect to the Internet.

To check and clean computers, try: www.dcwg.org

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So, if Obama thinks he doesn't pay enough in taxes, then why doesn't our fearless leader just send in a check for more?

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Caine: Is it good to seek the past, Master Po? Does it not rob the present?
Master Po: If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past.
Caine: I seek not to know the answers, but to understand the questions.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 2:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Quite cool Roger.

I have season 2, on DVD. Perhaps I can one day expand my collection.

I was always considered to be…out there. I guess.

Now. What sound is made by a man who claps with one hand?

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"When it comes to more war and less freedom, the three agree completely."

On the war issue, I don't know if Obama (speaking of Afghanistan here) is simply buying the military's version of the war and succumbing to their agenda. I'd say the same for Bush in Iraq.

What I don't understand is how the reality of the war can be so different, according to several ex-officers that have published books on what they saw there.

One likened the recent Taliban offensive to the Tet offensive in Vietnam. While the military writes off the action as "cowardly, disorganized, and futile" it seems they may be thinking 1145 enemy dead versus a handful of Afghanis is a victory. It seems they're missing the point. The Taliban, like the N Vietnamese, had no delusions about the outcome, they knew they couldn't win in a body count fight against superior forces. As for cowardly, most Taliban fighters knew they weren't coming back. Doesn't sound cowardly at all. And their objective was not to defeat anyone, it was to show they can still bring the war to anywhere they want, and will continue to do so however long it takes before we leave. They outlasted the British three times, the Russians, and they'll outlast us. With such different agendas, in their eyes, victory is guaranteed as long as they continue fighting. Why presidents get sucked into these things is amazing.

BTW Drift, I've started your book and it's great.

mrd — April 20, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Now. What sound is made by a man who claps with one hand?" -- kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.

There is no one answer, in that each person must learn to know their self to know their own answer.

Or something like that. I tried to understand Zen once upon a time - the many vagaries and seeming contradictions (according to my Western egocentricity) caused me to put that aside fairly quickly.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"What I don't understand is how the reality of the war can be so different...." -- mrd — April 20, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.

All Quiet On The Western Front still addresses this as best as anything I've read. The movie Apocalypse Now also does a good job. The reality of war to those pointing the rifles at each other differs greatly from those who strategize, and those who explain or theorize.

Look at the old time soldiers who travel back to their conflicts (Normandy, Okinawa, Korea, Vietnam --- and meet with those who were once their enemy. There is often a bond formed between these men, who once tried to kill each other, that they never had with their own generals who sent them out to fight and die.

I'm thinking this isn't what you meant, but it's an answer I find more important than why analysts differ in what they think.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I just stuck with the motorcycle maintenance, it made more sense.

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 5:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd - Perhaps a better answer would be that the Asian cultures tend to believe that the group is more important than the single member. Consequently, soldiers will continue to attack, no matter how many casualties are sustained, until their leaders call them off. This nearly resulted in North Vietnam losing the war; Tet was a do or die effort that followed a couple of years of losing almost every conflict they engaged us in. The Viet Cong and their guerrilla warfare tactics, coupled with a lot of political business that kept us from doing things like bombing the hell out of the north, allowed them to recover and make the push south when we decided to leave.

The Afghanis, on the other hand, are a tribal bandit culture - their history has been centered around attacking the merchants using the passes through the mountains. It would be foolish to continue a fight that would result in a sizable portion of your tribe being killed - you'll then fall prey and lose everything to the tribe next door due to your weakened state. So, they're much more likely to break off an engagement as soon as it starts going south on them.

As for our own military analysts calling someone cowardly and disorganized - I sort of recall old Yellowhair had the same thought process, until Crazy Horse and a few friends taught him otherwise.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro - And after the third time I dumped my bike, I learned to stay away from anything related to motorcycles.

There is an analogy - back in the day, my friends and I used to work on our own cars - couldn't afford paying a garage. I could handle a lot of things, but the brake system constantly defeated me. I'd do stuff like reverse the shoes (front and back), and never could get them bled properly. The Zen approach would be to calm down, understand the system, and take the time and patience to do the job properly. Screw that - it was a lot easier to call Ken or Dave to do this - and I'd end up rebuilding a carb or replacing a drive shaft in return.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.

I suppose that is as good an answer as any. But of course, there is no answer.

I’ve always believed that Eastern religion is akin to that branch of western philosophy known as metaphysics and also the physics of the theoretical. All of which question: what is the nature of reality?”.

I disagree with you on this, Roger: I really liked Cap’n Kirk. But for my part, I always admired Picard even more. I can still remember seeing the ads on TV, way back when, about this new SCI-FI show which was going to be on in the new upcoming season. Star Trek was everything I hoped it would be. But years later, Star Trek -TNG, IMO, was even better. The first year was a disappointment, but after that, they made some changes and got their act together. As far as I’m concerned: they broke the mold.

I like that questioning of the purpose of life thing. Or whatever it was that you said. And common’. How can any red blooded male, or some derivative thereof, not have the hots for Deanna Troy?

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.

The second year of TNG was just a re-work of the script of the next year of the original.

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2012 at 5:36 p.m.

After 30 some years of riding I laid mine down for the first time last summer, it hurt, I should have done it when I was young and gotten it over with.

My comment was referencing the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance"

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 20, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.

How so?

I felt that was the the case with the first year. But the second year?

Don't know Frobert, sounds like you do, but I thought the second year and after, took off on it's own.

There was a definite difference between the first and the second.

kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The first year of Star Trek Phase II with a continuation of the original crew, was written, but never aired, they reworked it for the second season. I am trying to find a source, but I can't remember where I read it.

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**News Anchor FAIL Compilation 2012: The Best Accidentally Sexual News Bloopers (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/news-anchor-fail-compilation-2012-video_n_1441115.html?ref=comedy

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 20, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.

Well, you know what they say, Fro. There's two types of motorcycle riders, those that have gone down and those that will.

I laid mine down at 45mph on the asphalt about 35 years ago and STILL feel it. So much different from the dirt track.

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — April 20, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.

Uhura and Yeoman Rand (I think that was her name; the Barbara Eden look alike) were tops.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 20, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.,

Yep. The one guy couldn't fix his fancy bike when it broke down - had to take it to a shop - too impatient or something to figure out what was wrong and how to fix it. Narrator had an old bike that he kept going through patiently reasoning his way through problems until he found the solution. One of those books that I read part of and gave away.

My car repair skills went from one to the other. But that was when cars were made so people could work on them - I quit trying years ago.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I had a 650 BSA - it seemed top heavy. It was nice for highway cruising, but my last second decisions to turn didn't work - the rear tire would slide out and down I'd go.

roger — April 20, 2012 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Draft Dodger Nugent Can't Even Follow The Laws Of The Wild**

He met with Secret Service agents Thursday after making incendiary remarks about President Obama, and on Friday rocker/reality TV personality Ted Nugent copped a plea deal for illegally killing a black bear in Alaska.

Nugent will pay a $10,000 fine and agreed to cut a public service ad for TV on responsible hunting. He will be banned from fishing in Alaska waters for one year and prohibited from hunting on National Forest land for one year. He was put on probation.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/04/20/illegal-bear-hunting-ted-nugent-cops-a-plea/

**Ted Nugent: Draft Dodging Coward**

By his own admission, Nugent stopped all forms of personal hygiene for a month and showed up for his draft board physical in pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment. Creative!...read on

When he had a chance to actually arm himself with a machine gun he cowered in his own excrement.

http://crooksandliars.com/2007/08/27/ted-nugent-draft-dodging-coward

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.

I had a 650 Bonneville along with seven other bikes by the time I was 25. It was not much different than your BSA. I loved that bike. And yes, with a full tank, it was top heavy, oh but the power. Take the mufflers off and wow.

The fastest one I had, I only had for a few weeks, it scared the heck out of me. It was a 250 Honda six cylinder cafe' bike. Talk about a rush.

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymT91L...

hawk- Enjoy the flashback!

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 9:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh CRAP, that was it!!!!!! Sounded just like that.. Scary fast. I raced at Sidewinders on the dirt but it was never like that. Thanks, I got chills just now.

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This was one of my first bikes (Penton 125)and to this day my all time favorite. I saved up my $$$ from working at the local car wash and taco bell. (those were the days!) It was around $1100. Only a 125 but I could whip any 250 around. My last dirt bike was a Yamaha 360 Enduro stripped and modified for desert racing. Growing up in the desert had it's advantages. My last street bike was a Yamaha 650 4 cylinder Seca.

http://huskyrestoration.com/?p=86

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh yea, I remember those. It was the cooling fins on top that made it click in my brain. Cool looking bike, was it a two stroke? I loved two strokes with the compression release, you could really do a lot with those, a jake brake on a bike.

Getting late, gotta get up early, g-nite

hawkeye — April 20, 2012 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- 2 stroke Sachs engine, 6 speed tranny complete with magura hand grips and fork covers. I had the non-street legal MX version without lights n such. Expansion chamber from hell! I'm sure my neighbors loved hearing me crank it up. :) My dream bike was a Maico or Husky 400. I wish my body was still up to riding!

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 10:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My first bike was a 64 ducati bronco 125, I paid $20 for it.

frobert — April 20, 2012 at 10:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- My first bike (pre-teen) was a Cat mini-bike with a Briggs & Stratton 4 HP! I still have a B&S; 4HP but it's on my lawnmower :) After that I had a "real bike". A Yamaha twin 100 street which I stripped for the desert. God how I loved the sound of a screaming 2 stroke!

nailingit — April 20, 2012 at 10:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My first street bike was the Bonneville, my first race bike was a 250 Greeves. I also had a BSA 441 Victor which was a strange bike, 441cc single cylinder four stroke. Kind of a hard starting bike, you had to bring it up on the compression stroke before kicking it. At one time I had a 49 Harley that had the advance/retard for the distributor on the left hand grip. If you didn't have it just right when kicking it, it would either break your leg or put you over the handlebars. I flew twice.

Looks like it's going to be a nice day, think I'll go out and do something.

hawkeye — April 21, 2012 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Enjoyed the bike reminiscing, guys! It is fun to see you all gather around a common interest. Those two wheeled machines scare me, but I'm harm-avoidant and worry about the ol' man on his this late in his life.........:)

Lou B's Press Talk: The White Sox will always be the team colors I wear, no matter how many times I attend their matches in Seattle. Have fun, today! Too bad they don't have the Chicago franks to complete the experience.....

Reporters: You know I agree with you. I worry that the young ones will lose the influuence of you older and wiser journalists as you gradually start to retire, however.

Anecdotally, it is happening to a dear friend right now over lies printed by an over-zealous young reporter who became enamored of her biased and malicious source and did not fact check what was spoon fed to her. The respected paper is doing the right thing with a correction/retraction in the works, but the damage is deep and done. Can't take it back once it is out in the ethernet. My friend and his family have suffered.

There is an awesome responsibility that is placed on reporters' shoulders: hold people/govt accountable but make sure you do no harm to the innocent in the process. In the rush to compete with the immediacy and seduction of social media and video, ethics are at risk. You old geezers get it. The young ones don't have the benefit of your experience in old school journalism.

In my friend's case, spinning a tale that captured and held an audience was more important to the reporter than telling the truth because the truth, in this case, was just a little too boring.

Just sayin'.......

manthou — April 21, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.

I think it would be a great day to fire up the old bike.

frobert — April 21, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Christian Conservatives Plot Defeat For 'Socialist' Obama At Florida Revival**

Sheila Talley, 42, a nurse from St. Petersburg, Fla., came "to pray for our leaders, even if we don't agree with them." Clutching a large, well-thumbed black Bible, she said she was troubled that prayer was banned in schools while abortion was legal.

"I vote Bible," Talley said. "I pray for Barack Obama, but I'm not going to vote for him. I don't like the whole socialist agenda."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/christian-conservatives-obama-_n_1442125.html?ref=politics

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit - Ted Nugent: Draft Dodging Coward.

The story you linked to appears to have been based on a 1977 interview he did with High Times. He later denied he did this, saying he was just making up a story for a gullible reporter to enhance his rock star image. Snopes shows he started out with student deferments, and after he left college he was reclassed 1A. He went for a draft physical and came out 1Y. This pretty much indicates a DQ for something that wasn't a permanent physical condition - even flat feet got people 4F. When 1Y was done away with, in '71, he was reclassed 4F.

And the only real thing I get from all of this is that Ted Nugent reinvents his image every so often so he can stay in the public eye.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp

roger — April 21, 2012 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My first bike (1974) was a Yamaha 125 MX. I owned a Yamaha (street bike) for a short while when I was in the Navy. mrd will be reading about it shortly (thanks, mrd!). After getting out I picked up an old '62 Panhead -- still have it.

I raced a Yamaha FZR 400 out at PIR for a couple of years (circa 2002). I have several 2nd place (and below) trophies, but I never won a race (darn it!).

This afternoon I'll be taking the grandson out to PIR for the Oregon Motorcycle Road Racing Association (OMRRA) spring opener. I was the club president back in '04.

As a young kid mini-bikes and go-karts were aplenty.

My most serious crash was on the track. ...about broke my fool neck ;^)

Drift — April 21, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I forgot to add: the young reporter in my post above actually had the truth in her hands and withheld it because it did not promote the agenda her source desired.

Public records requests work both ways sometimes. :)

manthou — April 21, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Any truth that Romney is considering Nugent for Ambassador to Yemen?

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit,

You must need another cup of coffee - you missed the best part of the article.

"A large, orange cross was lighted on the stage as people rose and sang hallelujah with arms raised and eyes closed."

Hmmm.... who else was into large, well lit crosses?

But I can see why Huff Post doesn't go down well in some corners - they do have a definite bias.

roger — April 21, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit - I'd rather see Ted as our ambassador to The People's Republic of Portland - watching the fireworks up close would be highly entertaining.

roger — April 21, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *But I can see why Huff Post doesn't go down well in some corners - they do have a definite bias.*

I tip my hat to HP and others that carry these types of stories. It gives many of us a snapshot into worlds we never cross paths with. i.e. these easily led sheep who vote in Florida.

I should write them about the Lew/Dave affair. Kudo's to the C for proving matrimonial bliss. It makes reading the FB comments feel sinful.

As long as reporting is factual and fair, if it leans left or right many times depends on the reader.

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- There goes lightrail!

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


FB gem of a comment today: Every so often something good leaps out at me and Jerry F Brown posted this thoughtful response to Press Talk today:

"Journalism: Been there done that. Not bitter about it, but decided after several years I was dissatisfied with observing and reporting the best and worst. Interviewing life's achievers made me realize journalism is a sort of non-sexual voyeurism ( Wow! guess who I interviewed today.) and left me with no sense of accomplishment even after winning some journalistic awards. The sense of power and closeness to news makers one has as a reporter is a function of the position not the person. The gateway out is almost always public relations. I went on to have a very satisfying career in health care management where I had a sense of accomplishment from developing and managing resources that actually helped restore people to health. In retirement one finds not only time to play but perspective."
____________________________

Indeed, being so close to the powerful can be seductive to reporters. That is why it is so very important to step back to protect objectivity.

When a reporter starts to change the truth of the story to please her biased source, the public trust is violated.

manthou — April 21, 2012 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Phil Humber's no-hitter today against the Mariners. 4-0 Pale Hose win.

Sweet.

manthou — April 21, 2012 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Good for Humber! How cool that Lou B got to witness it. (ref. PT)

I appreciate White Sox fans more than Cub fans. (much of my family are Cubby faithfuls) Sox fans seem to know the game a bit better. The Cubs would still fill their stands everyday if they went 0-162.

btw..What a beautiful day!

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


baseball ----- yawnnnnnnnnnn

hawkeye — April 21, 2012 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Anyone get out for a ride today? I did, and now I'm home grilling some burgers.

frobert — April 21, 2012 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy Saturday Evening, everyone!!! Frobert, I didn't get out for a ride today. Instead, I got my zucchini and butternut squash seeds planted, along with corn. I know, it sounds early...but I've got remay cloth protecting them for the cooler nights. I'm also ahead of schedule on my latest aspirations (projects) and decided to see how everyone's doing.

I hear the clam tides had a good showing this morning at the coast. I'm expecting some wonderful clam fritters and clam chowder some time this week.

Manthou and Nailingit...congrats for your team (boo hoo for Mariners)...8'(

Hawkeye, it's more fun playing baseball with the grand kids any day, lol.

I read over the comments about the street bikes. It's obvious we've got some BIG TIME motorcycle enthusiasts among us, both on the street and off road!!! (Nice video, nailingit. I see what Hawk meant when he said it scared the heck out of him.)

Anyhow my fellow forum followers...take care tomorrow and don't forget your sunscreen!!! A taste of summer and a great day for a barbecue for sure!!! Have a good one!

goldenoldie — April 21, 2012 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good evening goldenoldie. Yard 'work' here. I just as soon see the Mariners win, but as long as they're going to lose it might as well be to a no-hitter. No hitters are cool no matter who throws one.

Sure would be nice going to a bears game tonight!

As long as we're still on motorcycle speak, the most famous MC event I've been to (haven't been to many) was Evel's jump at Caesars. I was still in grade school but remember it well. Where my Dad and I were standing we could see the take off, mid air flight and the initial ramp hit but not him sucking asphalt. Evel was the Man! If you didn't know it, just ask him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0uKDO...

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice day, planted 6 azaleas and went to the Stardust Diner on NE 164th for lunch. They make a great Monte Cristo and beer batter fries. I know, someone is going to tell me how bad they are for me but I only do it once in a while. They have lots of great food there and everyone there is so nice.

On another note, I don't have a bike anymore so no riding today. Really want to get another one and up until now my situation hasn't been conducive to taking time away from the home but things have changed and maybe if I'm lucky I'll be up on two wheels again soon.

hawkeye — April 21, 2012 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6tcg...

A Saturday night treat!

My heart is smitten!!!

nailingit — April 21, 2012 at 10:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Enjoy!!!

*Great is the sun, and wide he goes
Through empty heaven with repose;
And in the blue and glowing days
More thick than rain he showers his rays.*

*Though closer still the blinds we pull
To keep the shady parlor cool,
Yet he will find a chink or two
To slip his golden fingers through.*

*The dusty attic spider-clad
He, through the keyhole, maketh glad;
And through the broken edge of tiles
Into the laddered hay-loft smiles.*

*Meantime his golden face around
He bares to all the garden ground,
And sheds a warm and glittering look
Among the ivy's inmost nook.*

*Above the hills, along the blue,
Round the bright air with footing true,
To please the child, to paint the rose,
The gardener of the World, he goes.*

Summer Sun (Robert Louis Stevenson)

goldenoldie — April 22, 2012 at 6:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ya all know what we call riders who wear flip-flops, shorts and a tank top??

Donors!!

I never rode without boots, long pants and a leather jacket. It didn't matter what the weather was. Good thing I did. I was on a side street over in P-town and a little old lady ran a stop sign. I laid it down and my back tire kissed hers. I picked my cycle up and when I caught up with her I saw she was looking between the steering-wheel and dash. She had no clue that she ran a stop. Oh well.

Next time I was pushed over to the curb by a guy in a pickup truck who looked right at me as he did it. I caught up with him and kicked his passenger door in. He drove away and got on the freeway. Lucky for him.

Those are the only times I had to lay it down. I continued to ride for 40 more years till a back injury forced me to sell it. Gawd I miss it though.

JohnCasey — April 22, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John, like me, no longer rides. For those that still do, a word of advise: A motorcycle stops (much) faster when the tires are on the pavment. Engine cases and crash bars are not equiped with brakes.

Drift — April 22, 2012 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John, I had one similar to yours, coming down Holgate st. at about 30th a couple in their 55 Chevy turned on to Holgate right in front of me. I couldn't go around them because the street turned into an "S" turn and traffic coming the other way. I laid it down and climbed on top and rode it out. Almost tapped their bumper. It messed up my shifter and side case but didn't hurt me. I think I burned my leg through my jeans on the exhaust (no leathers that day) but I survived. It didn't stop me from riding, it's just one of those things that happens.

Have a great day, everyone. Spend some time outside.

hawkeye — April 22, 2012 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

Good stuff there! The young lady can definitely play.

Here's another guitarist I ran across a while back - Joanne Shaw Taylor. She's more blues rock oriented, but can get down when she wants. She's playing Jeff Beck's version of Going Down here - also does a good cover of Manic Depression, but I couldn't find a decent YouTube copy.

http://fangaroo.org/play-video/Joanne%2BShaw%2BTaylor%2B-%2BGoin%2BDown/Joanne%2BShaw%2BTaylor/1J2wnNiinqma2KKhrpnV1J7elNifzK7F19CarZmj1Mk=/yNSmkeCyv+KnudI=/

roger — April 22, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


First off, the C is definitely not optimized fir iPad use, takes forever to scroll and handle. Lou, get with the times.
But more important. What a glorious weekend! Drove up to Centralia yesterday and totally enjoyed the sights. And with grass freshly cut yesterday, windows open, the smell is intoxicating! All this to say it once more: we moved here from LA six years ago, and today I remember why again. Is there a better place? Nature wise and all? Plus, it does remind me of home in Germany, this move was a win win. I rather live here than anywhere else in this country!

luvithere — April 22, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


That didn't work - try this one instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAMuWL...

roger — April 22, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere,

Agreed - we have some beautiful countryside. But my favorite drive is still the Blue Ridge Parkway back in North Carolina.

roger — April 22, 2012 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 22, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.

New England coast from Boston downeast to Eastport Maine, now that is a nice drive.

frobert — April 22, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert,

Never been there, but my great grandmother and great aunt were from Bath. They used to talk fondly of their drives up to Bah Habbuh to stay with friends - cookouts on the beach, freshly caught lobster, and whatnot.

Those two old ladies used to drive me crazy with how they talked. I think the only 'R' used started words, and telling me to put my toys up was a bit confusing to a young kid - I put them up on a table, only to find out this wasn't what they meant. But they made some good cookies, and left a chair next to the counter where the cookie jars were, so....

roger — April 22, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 22, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

Ayah, I miss summers in Maine, the other 11 months of the year however, are quite a different story. Theyah gettin a nor'easter today don't ya know.

frobert — April 22, 2012 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 22, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecg_Wi...

frobert — April 22, 2012 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Too funny, fro!

Same thing I run into with my PA hometown. It's where my Dad was from, and the place he sent us to live when the USMC sent him overseas. Until I got here, it's where I spent more time than anywhere else.

I can tell the rest of the world I'm from there, but the locals considered me a Southern boy transplant. There's a facebook page where people from there like to talk - when the conversation turns to where an old store or something used to be, I'll get these comments about not really being from there and how would I know, etc. Have to shake my head sometimes....

roger — April 22, 2012 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit (and whoever else cares),

Female rockers - there's a few all female Zeppelin cover bands that do a good job.

Zeparella,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH-_9c...

Ladies Zeppelin (an Italian band),

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCOmr06J7I&feature;=related

Lez Zeppelin (she does Robert Plant better than he does),

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6mHIu...

roger — April 22, 2012 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And some more lady hard rockers.

An AC-DC cover band, Hell's Belles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDG6OA...

Iron Maidens,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XebvpP...

Misstallica,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-XD-1...

roger — April 22, 2012 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


To close - some old stuff.

The baddest girl band ever - The Runaways, when Cherie Currie was still in front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAF6x...

joan jett, covering an Iggy Stooge song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md81TY...

Saw L7 in Olympia after I got back from Korea in '93 - They blew me away - didn't know girls could rock so damned hard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPLOls...

Hole's Live Through This was the best music Kurt Cobain ever wrote - and Hole was dynamite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJlkx...

roger — April 22, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, today I planted a few more azaleas and three rose bushes. Tomorrow I set up the drip system and throw some new bark out. Hopefully the sun will peak out a little tomorrow.

hawkeye — April 22, 2012 at 9:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Thanks for the great vids!

nailingit — April 22, 2012 at 10:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Jon Huntsman Criticizes Republican Party, Compares Actions To Communist China**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/22/jon-huntsman-gop_n_1444529.html

nailingit — April 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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