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**PHOTOS: South Korean Christian Group Prays Lady Gaga Goes Away**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/south-korea-lady-gaga-christian-group-prays_n_1445192.html?ref=topbar#s894716

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


“The problem with conservatives is getting them to accept that an electric vehicle is not necessarily a left-wing environmental plot,” Lutz said. “They see it as a product of the Obama administration and a product of the green movement, and this is the result of government mandates. It’s taken on a symbolic role in the right-wing media as everything that’s wrong with Big Government, and yet, the vehicle was conceived by private industry.”

Lutz’s pitch centers on the Detroit-made car as a solution to skyrocketing gas prices and U.S. reliance on foreign oil. The vehicle — which runs for 40 miles on a battery charge and can go 300 to 350 miles on a tank of gas — is also attracting praise as a technological breakthrough, being named the 2011 Motor Trend Car of the Year and the 2012 European Car of the Year. It’s the first time a U.S.-designed, U.S.-built car has won the European award.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75449.html#ixzz1srzps1eH

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yep - And the gov't has closed attendance to anyone under 18. Seems they're not happy with what they see as trying to spread homosexuality.

Korean Christians are, or were, a bit more conservative than what we tend to see here. My secretary when I was there (one of the countless Mrs. Kim in the country) wouldn't speak to me (except for work-related) for about a month when I suggested the Church could do without her 10% tithing - that it was more important to get her husband a car so he could build status and work his way up the KPL management hierarchy. (Silly me!)

roger — April 23, 2012 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:30 a.m.

It funny how, liberals often try to claim that conservatives are afraid of technology or against advancement. The problem is if the market is ready for advances the market will pay for them.

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"The problem is if the market is ready for advances the market will pay for them."

If that's true. so would it's corollary. If the market isn't ready for advances the market won't pay for them, which would have netted us gas-guzzling, more polluting cars with no seat belts or airbags, all of which were requirements fought by the auto industry, and would have provided cheaper cars that most likely would have out-sold the others. In many examples, a "free market" isn't always the best notion. And BTW, finding that "free market" is very, very hard to do anymore as most larger corporations are able to insulate themselves from any meaningful competition in the market.

mrd — April 23, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 23, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.

When the market dictated fuel economy we had cars like the Festiva, the Metro and the Justy that got 50mpg, and were among the lowest cost vehicles. Seat belts and airbags were developed by the free market.

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:30 a.m.

*It funny how, liberals often try to claim that conservatives are afraid of technology or against advancement.*

Not real funny unless you include the liberal base laughing at conservatives. I think there are two primary reasons for this.

1. The obvious. Short sighted church goers that close their eyes and follow the local teaching of their faith to include a distrust for anything that isn't mentioned in the bible and a call to hate all liberals/progressives because they don't put Jesus in the driver seat.

2. Conservatives that are bent libertarian/non-religious believe that accepted knowledge will bring about further growth of the Federal government. You guys have been having nightmares for the last 40 years from the creation of the EPA. God forbid it's scope should continue to grow! :) Together with big oil lobbyists who sign Republican paychecks (and a few dems) during and when they leave office, who would ever want to believe in global warming?

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A study released Thursday in the American Sociological Review concludes that trust in science among conservatives and frequent churchgoers has declined precipitously since 1974, when a national survey first asked people how much confidence they had in the scientific community. At that time, conservatives had the highest level of trust in scientists.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/29/nation/la-na-conservatives-science-20120329

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*The vehicle — which runs for 40 miles on a battery charge and can go 300 to 350 miles on a tank of gas — is also attracting praise as a technological breakthrough, being named the 2011 Motor Trend Car of the Year and the 2012 European Car of the Year. It’s the first time a U.S.-designed, U.S.-built car has won the European award.*

Example...Chevy Bolt?

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**The Right Flames the Volt**

Yet there was also an undercurrent of nervousness at the breakfast. A reporter for **Fox News** had been prowling the auto show, asking nasty questions about the Volt. For months, the conservative propaganda machine — including Rush **Limbaugh**, **Bill O’Reilly**, and Neil **Cavuto**, the Fox News business editor — had been mocking the Volt, and linking it to President Obama, who has long touted the promise of electric cars. Cavuto, who has called the Volt “roller skates with a plug,” was rumored to be going on the air that very night with yet another Volt hatchet job.

What is the connection between President Obama and the Volt? There is none. The car was the brainchild of Bob Lutz, a legendary auto executive who is about as liberal as the Koch brothers. The tax credit — which is part of the reason conservatives hate the car — became law during the Bush administration.

“It’s nuts,” said Lutz, when I spoke to him earlier in the week. “This is a significant achievement in the auto industry. There are so many legitimate things to criticize Obama about. It is inexplicable that the right would feel the need to tell lies about the Volt to attack the president.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/07/opinion/nocera-the-right-flames-the-volt.html

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 9:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal



langenthal — April 23, 2012 at 9:52 a.m

April 18th.... I remember it well. It was just a day before that I was called a "Communist Spy" by someone who called ELISI a Nazi because she turned in people for not following the laws of this State.

It's true, "fact" is going by the wayside and we need to bring it back. You won't find it on FOX, unless you are watching "Bones", you will have to seek it out. Chances are, you won't find it in these pages either unless you are lucky enough to read an article referenced by someone. Good luck finding the right one.

hawkeye — April 23, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Facts is survived by two brothers, Rumor and Innuendo, and a sister, Emphatic Assertion.* ref. M.H. said article) :)) Isn't that the truth!

Great reads langenthal. Great to see you post!

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 10:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


seems to me that truth is defined by whatever you agree with

DeeLittle — April 23, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


better keep your eyes on the house goppers. they're moving thru something to whack railroad employees' retirement benefits, gopper Rysn claims railroader's benefit are better than SS. well, duh, on $106,000 railroaders pay in almost 10 grand, regular SS folks pay in about $6500. Secondly, the % paid into the Railroad Retirement fund INCREASES for higher earners. If anyone's retirement benefits are too high, it is Ryan's.

mrd — April 23, 2012 at 1:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


and i bet if the situation were reversed money-wise, you'd be complaining that ryan's was still too high. but the 106k is just perfect, huh.....

DeeLittle — April 23, 2012 at 1:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*April 23, 2012 1:34pm*

**WH: No WH staff involved in prostitution scandal**
byJoel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced that White House legal counsel has concluded no White House staff engaged in any "misconduct" in Cartagena.*
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/wh-comms-agency-drawn-secret-service-scandal/496626

now THERE'S a source we can depend on! the wh lawyers has decreed that the wh staff are innocent as ... wh staffers. yeah, that's the ticket.

DeeLittle — April 23, 2012 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So, let me get this right, Dee. You are AGAINST getting what you pay for? And you think if you serve ONE term in congress YOU think it's OK to get full retirement ***FOR LIFE?***

hawkeye — April 23, 2012 at 2:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I was wondering when that Secret Service thing would pop up here. In my opinion this whole "scandal" is nothing more than a construct of the media. I, also, find it reprehensible (the media being culpable) these individuals would be fired.

They were *not* engaged in an illegal activity. The argument over services rendered can be compared to a fare arguing with a cab driver about the miles driven.

The sensationalists sicken me. Those that buy the hype sadden me.

Drift — April 23, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dee-
it seems rather straight forward to me. why don't these people realize if you pay in $3500/yr out of pocket more than SS (at the cap for SS) and are paying an even higher percentage as you approach the cap, you're going to have more in the kitty? Plus the railroads' contribution rate is also about 50% higher than private employers. So my point was, these goppers' claim that the railroaders' retirement needs to be trimmed because it's better than SS benefits is absurd. It's better because employees and the railroads pay much more into the fund. Real simple. Under the guise of trying to reduce the deficit by these kind of cuts, these people are whacking the middle class hard-and they know it. That's the real purpose in order to protect the wealthy elite's positions.

These same folks dismissed Obama's tax hike on the wealthy as being "a drop in the bucket" (among other things) when that tax hike would generate much more tax revenue than this measure would save. That is simply the epitome of hypocrisy.

for more on how these folks are all about:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/201242117465961868.html

mrd — April 23, 2012 at 2:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*The sensationalists sicken me. Those that buy the hype sadden me.
Drift —*

they just reinforce my opinion of sheeple.

DeeLittle — April 23, 2012 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The baggers and goppers want to cut, cut, and cut, except the defense budget. In order to prevent $55 billion in defense cuts, they're going to take it out of someone else's hide. Wanna guess who's?

His comments came after he unveiled his plan for the 2013 budget, which was passed by the Republican-controlled House on Thursday. The GOP proposal protects defense spending by replacing a $55 billion scheduled cut in the Pentagon budget with cuts elsewhere in the federal government.

mrd — April 23, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift -- "They were not engaged in an illegal activity."

Illegal? Maybe yes, maybe no. The police weren't looking to arrest anyone, but look who the "crooks" were. If you or I had done what the one guy did, would there have been a different outcome? The girl had a set price, and after she delivered the service one tried to cheat her by not paying.

roger — April 23, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Anyone see any difference in Romney's proposed policies and Dubya? Why do some want to return to something that has been proven not to work? Amnesia is one thing but stupid is another.*

First of all, many reporters quickly noted a point that Mr. Romney somehow failed to mention: George W. Bush, not Barack Obama, was president when the factory in question was closed. Does the Romney campaign expect Americans to blame President Obama for his predecessor’s policy failure?

Yes, it does. Mr. Romney constantly talks about job losses under Mr. Obama. Yet all of the net job loss took place in the first few months of 2009, that is, before any of the new administration’s policies had time to take effect. So the Ohio speech was a perfect illustration of the way the Romney campaign is banking on amnesia, on the hope that voters don’t remember that Mr. Obama inherited an economy that was already in free fall.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/opinion/krugman-the-amnesia-candidate.html?_r=1

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


deelittle @ 12:47- *seems to me that truth is defined by whatever you agree with*

Doesn't your statement define the term "sheeple"???

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Child support, rent, etc. Republican party leaders seem to be in quite a disarray.
Hopefully they're paying full amount to sex workers and not doing it on the cheap.*

The debt-plagued Republican Party of Minnesota is getting kicked out of its party headquarters near the state Capitol.

Massachusetts-based Hub Properties Trust filed paperwork in Ramsey County on Wednesday to evict the state GOP for failing to pay more than $96,000 in rent over the last year.

“Tenant remains in default under the lease by failing to pay in full when due, rent from April 2011 through the present,” the court papers read.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/hard-times-at-the-minnesota-gop-121337.html

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Hugh Hefner: GOP 'war against sex'**

“For months I have watched the rhetoric building,” writes Hefner. “Last October, in an interview with an evangelical blogger, Rick Santorum promised to defund birth control on the grounds that contraception is ‘a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.’ … Ron Paul was no better, believing that the birth control pill did not cause immorality but that immorality creates the problem of wanting to use the pill. Mitt Romney vowed to see a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and to overturn Roe v. Wade.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75472.html#ixzz1suv33yD7

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.

"Ron Paul was no better, believing that the birth control pill did not cause immorality but that immorality creates the problem of wanting to use the pill"

Separating government and morality is no better than tying the two together? I see a huge difference.

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- I believe he was referring to the overall thought that Republicans continually try and get between constituency bed sheets. And boy do they!

*Separating government and morality is no better than tying the two together? I see a huge difference.*

Please explain.

Who is Ron Paul to assess what is moral or immoral. Paul's a doctor and is well aware of the differing reason's for the pill. What if the only reason for the Pill was sex? Too many brand sex as something evil/immoral. Backward Paul thinking. Less government, more babies, more poverty, fend fer yerself approach. Some of the faux Victorians in 'Saul's' camp should give a hard look complimented with a warm approach to this Republican/Conservative mind-blowing subject.

It's one time when thinking inside the box might yield better results than outside the box.

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc_3ws...

frobro-Have you checked out this movie yet?

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal



nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.

"Who is Ron Paul to assess what is moral or immoral."

Everyone assesses what is and isn't moral, that is were morality belongs, the government has no authority to decide morality.

The government should NEVER make our personal decisions, that is the problem with liberals, they think government should do our thinking for us.

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.

Funny how your little propaganda piece didn't mention the cancer hospitals they built the millions they donated to the ACLU to overturn the patriot act, the money they have donated to causes like gay marriage and medical marijuana. The union busting thing, you should realize that they provide over 45,000 union wage jobs in their G-P division alone. Your kind aren't that big on facts, are they.

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OH NAILINGIT!!!!!!

Apparently, they can't afford to "buy democracy" or anything else. (snicker)

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Minnesota's debt-plagued Republican Party faces an eviction hearing next week after failing to pay rent for its headquarters since August.

The party's landlord filed the notice in county housing court last week and a hearing is set for next week. Minnesota Republican Party Chairman Pat Shortridge told party members in a memo that officials are trying to renegotiate its lease.

The GOP has 21 months remaining on a lease with Hub Properties Trust for space a block from the state Capitol. Shortridge revealed the rent hadn't been paid in eight months.

The most recent federal campaign reports show the Minnesota GOP owes nearly $1 million to vendors. That includes $107,000 to Hub Properties.

The eviction notice was first reported by Politics in Minnesota.

hawkeye — April 23, 2012 at 9:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*government has no authority to decide morality.*

Ron Paul would overturn Roe v Wade. So much for that.

*The government should NEVER make our personal decisions,*

Then you should be enraged at the anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-gay, pro personhood Republican agenda. If so, why not speak of it?

*that is the problem with liberals, they think government should do our thinking for us.*

You almost sound as ridiculous as Kn_d. You are wrong on so many counts fro...I don't know what your label is for me, but I know of no liberal with this made up thinking ya'all believe. It's a backwoods Vantucky mindset that triggers when all else fails. I'm glad there are a few "liberal/progressive" thinkers around here.

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Your kind aren't that big on facts, are they.*

Great libertarian mindset.

You shame democracy, but capture the current personality of Republicans very well!

Who needs elisi when we have you?!

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 10:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*current personality of Republicans*

should be current personality of conservative bigots...

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 10:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.

"Ron Paul would overturn Roe v Wade"

Really? you need to enlighten me on how he is going to do that.

I haven't made it clear that I am enraged by many of these positions from republicans?

I am not personally opposed to abortion, but I have a real problem with the court holding a penumbra of privacy on abortion, and denying it on matters such as marijuana, search and seizure, polygamy and hundreds of other matters. Roe v Wade is a contradiction. If our Government would support the right to privacy many of our problems would disappear.

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.

"should be current personality of conservative bigots"

Bigotry is irrelevant when the rights belong to the individual not the group or the government.

" "liberal/progressive" thinkers around here."
Kind of a contradiction in terms isn't that?

frobert — April 23, 2012 at 10:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Really? you need to enlighten me on how he is going to do that.* Why so crass?

.....of course Paul will never be in a higher position to enact/exercise power/influence for any of his positions. His candidacy is and always has been a sham anyway. Today's Libertarian party is a joke, Paul is the ringmaster and he's got you guys jumping through hoops.

He will never be President. This life long Federal government worker/politician/moneymaker is just about through sucking on the taxpayers teats. Great retirement package!

Attrition can be a good thing. All things must pass.

*I haven't made it clear that I am enraged by many of these positions from republicans?*

No. You're too busy getting nailed on statements like this...

*It funny how, liberals often try to claim that conservatives are afraid of technology or against advancement.*

*" "liberal/progressive" thinkers around here." Kind of a contradiction in terms isn't that?*

Back to square .. one. sigh...

nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 11:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 23, 2012 at 11:09 p.m.

You can't support your argument so you resort to juvenile attacks?

frobert — April 24, 2012 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 24, 2012 at 6:55 a.m.
"This life long Federal government worker/politician/moneymaker is just about through sucking on the taxpayers teats. Great retirement package!"

You don't let the facts interfere with your diatribe do you?

Dr. Paul has spent the majority of his adult life as a private physician. He has declined to take part in the congressional retirement plan and pays his own health insurance. With a net worth of 3.5 million and a modest home one could hardly compare Dr. Paul with the political moneymakers like Al Gore.

frobert — April 24, 2012 at 7:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*You can't support your argument so you resort to juvenile attacks?* Pathetic...

I'm through with you cases on the right constantly playing the victim card. You were not "attacked" or anything close.

Matt- If you get a complaint from this self-professed libertarian named fro, look at the comments before you threaten.

fro-Your absurdities grow with time as does your hero Paul. Have some Java.

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 7:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ron Paul (who is still running for President to rake in those lemming dollars $$$) as a lifelong government employee needs to permanently retire. Most likely he'll return to his basement penning racist newsletters.

But I suppose he's still running for prez to "get his message out"! LOL!

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Dr. Paul has spent the majority of his adult life as a private physician.*

He's either been running for office or employed by the Fed since 1974. Given that Paul is 113 years old you are correct. My bad.

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 7:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Governor Rick Scott Vetoes Funds For Rape Crisis Centers During Sexual Assault Awareness Month**

This is what happens when people vote "throw all the bums out". Oh for the moderate days of Charlie Crist. If people can't see Republican's "war on women" they're just not looking.

Rick Scott's teabagger mindset states the need for federal government. I feel sorry for the state of Florida and those Republican controlled states that are crushing "we the people".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/rick-scott-florida-govern_n_1447294.html?ref=politics

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Hypocrisy alert:** House Republican freshmen are begging their leaders to bring back a certain type of earmark so that they can help companies back home in an election year.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75506.html#ixzz1syHkkxyo

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**The Koch Brothers – Exposed!**
POSTED: April 20, 5:15 PM ET | By Julian Brookes

If the Koch brothers didn't exist, the left would have to invent them. They're the plutocrats from central casting – oil-and-gas billionaires ready to buy any congressman, fund any lie, fight any law, bust any union, despoil any landscape, or shirk any (tax) burden to push their free-market religion and pump up their profits.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/the-koch-brothers-exposed-20120420#ixzz1syILP8kk

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal



frobert — April 24, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.

I guess half is better than nothing!

hawkeye — April 24, 2012 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Crazy,
Na na na na na na na na Batman... Robin I think that the NAIL has been hit on the head by the HAMMER.. We need to save Gotham city and if the NAIL has stolen the HAMMER were all done...... Maybe Lou at the Gotham Times can help, He needs to put an all out for the HAMMER or Nail will certainly take the city down.....or even the world....

vanwadreamer — April 24, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


saw where Madore commented on the unemployment numbers and grinds the same old axes. It's government's fault-excessive regulations, etc. However, no business will expand and hire until demand increases. In the hellfire grow the county was experiencing several years ago, Clark County couldn't write regulations and codes fast enough. Because the demand was so great for virtually everything, businesses still boomed. It isn't always the government's fault.

Secondly, he wants to reduce the size of government to up the economy. All the while 600 public jobs were cut, and 1300 private jobs were created, for a meager increase of 700 jobs. See the connection, David? Cut, cut, cut doesn't, by itself, help. Check the austerity measures implemented in Europe, which have depressed every economy in the Eurozone. Gotta increase revenues with economic growth coupled with, yes sorry folks, higher taxes that flow back into the economy. Smaller cuts, and incremnental cuts in spending are required. If we shut off the flow of tax money back into the economy, we will shut down the economy. It isn't simple as just cutting away, even though a lot of goppers and baggers think so.

mrd — April 24, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Paul Ryan Challenged On Budget By Georgetown Faculty (UPDATED)**

“I am afraid that Chairman Ryan’s budget reflects the values of his favorite philosopher Ayn Rand rather than the gospel of Jesus Christ,” said Father Reese. “Survival of the fittest may be okay for Social Darwinists but not for followers of the gospel of compassion and love.”

The Georgetown scholars pointed to the devastating impact of cuts in food programs that keep the poor from starvation. From personal experience, they also “know how cuts in Pell Grants will make it difficult for low-income students to pursue their educations at colleges across the nation, including Georgetown.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/paul-ryan-challenged-by-georgetown-faculty_n_1449437.html?ir=Politics&ref;=topbar

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal



fro @ 10:53- Paul's been getting a raw deal in the media as well as his own party.

I wish Paul would run as a independent. I might even work the phones!

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is Fox reporting this?

**Report: Mexican immigration drops**

More Mexicans are now leaving the United States than entering, in a reversal of a four-decade trend that had brought a wave of some 12 million Mexicans into America, according to a new Pew Hispanic Center study.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75521.html#ixzz1t0Nj8EOd

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.

I do not follow the teachings of Christ, however I am pretty sure that he taught that compassion and love was the job of the Church and neighbors not the Government.

frobert — April 24, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Paul Ryan said he was inspired by his Catholic faith when he shaped his budget. He said it was in line with the teachings of Jesus. When Catholic leaders criticized him for it he blew them off and said they weren't a good representation.

Maybe Paul Ryan should keep his mouth shut. But I'm soooo glad he's not!

Why aren't you more concerned with Ryan playing the religious card in shaping policy, than you are with some comment about government love?

"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" Matthew 22:21

nailingit — April 24, 2012 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

So, are you Der Fuhrer, and is your work here a modern day Mein Kampf, as crazytrain suggests?

"All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

One small problem - Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln, Winny Churchill, Mahatma Gandhi, JFK, MLK Jr... the list goes on an on - could all be described by Hitler's little observation.

And why does Alleycat's name keep coming up?

roger — April 24, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***This Just In!***

"According to a recent poll, painkillers have replaced religion as the opiate of the masses."

hawkeye — April 24, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd @ 3:52 PM: Good points, well-said! I cannot wait for the press to start putting the heat to Mr. Madore with similar observations. Can't come too soon for me.

frobert @ 4:02 PM: I don't agree. A great government, the best leaders know how to take care of their most vulnerable, marginalized citizens. Compassion is not a dirty word in public service, which is what government and its employees do.

goldenoldie @ 8:55 am: You still cling to the use of sock puppet personalities. I am so disappointed, for what it's worth. Just come by and be your lovable ol' self. You aren't fooling anyone. :)

nailingit @ 4:54 PM: Interesting information about the drop in immigration from Mexico. Wonder what the impact will be on agribusiness?

manthou — April 24, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*even though a lot of goppers and baggers think so.
mrd*

you really should start trying to use adult-type words. your verbiage reduces your point to zero.

DeeLittle — April 24, 2012 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*"According to a recent poll, painkillers have replaced religion as the opiate of the masses."
hawkeye*

my degenerative arthritis musta missed the memo. i wasted a whole three days of wonderful weeding weather lying in my freaking bed trying to prop my knees in a least-painful position.

I HATE OLD.

DeeLittle — April 24, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I mean, I can’t tell you in the last election how many grandparents I ran into who said, I wasn’t going to vote for Barack Obama until my grandson talked to me, until my great-grandson talked to me, and talked about the future he wanted for this country.
You can get out there with your parents. You guys can knock on doors. I had one young lady who brought me a petition — she’s already working. You can convince wrong people. Sometimes we don’t listen to ourselves, but we will listen to our children.*

*Michelle Obama*

..and the indoctrination goes on

DeeLittle — April 24, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 7:06- Your comment caused me to read crazy's post. :)) There are a couple of posters that mind/eyes gloss over & crazy is one of them.

*So, are you Der Fuhrer..."* NEIN NEIN NEIN!

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 2:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *And why does Alleycat's name keep coming up?*

I think someone desperately misses her cat. A feline Felllini could not have provided her with a better script.

hawk- *"According to a recent poll, painkillers have replaced religion as the opiate of the masses."*

I'll be there for Sunday Mass, Bar Mitzvah and Temple gatherings!

manthou- *Wonder what the impact will be on agribusiness?*

Good question. It makes me wonder what four more years of Bush policies would have done. Our economy has become less desirable to third world countries! The radioactive Bush excrement is still washing up on our shores. Gotta be careful of the one in Florida...surf's up! Is it really past 2;30? Cripes!

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 2:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If team Obama are smart (and they are) they will box Romney in the extremist corner and mitigate this "Etch-A-Sketch" tactic

*Romney’s Etch A Sketch Campaign Begins**

"After having repeatedly denounced any need for the federal government to subsidize tuition costs during the primary, Romney has now endorsed Obama’s call for extending lower rates for federally-subsidized loans. Romney says he supports the measures..."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/romneys-etch-a-sketch-campaign-begins.html

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 2:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal




Good morning, all! Just checking in to see what's going on in the forum. A couple of comments...

**Frobert**, on April 24, 2012 at 4:59 p.m., you stated *"I do not follow the teachings of Christ, however I am pretty sure that he taught that compassion and love was the job of the Church and neighbors not the Government."*

You are absolutely right in your thoughts. Now, the problem is the reality that the "documentation written by the people" is what controls us, not who governs us and it is their ideals which shape the laws we live by. No matter what we say, how we feel or what vote is passed, it is always written in the ideals of one group and there will always be another group who disagrees.

..

**Manthou** my dear fellow forum follower, I truly do not need to justify who I am to you or to any other member of the forum crew...but I will reiterate to you for the *final time* that I am *not* Crazytrain and neither is anybody else in my household. I sometimes wish I had the wit Crazytrain shares, but he's on his own with this one. As I have said in recent days...I'll be checking in once in awhile, but I am currently working on a strategy to manage and run my own business (lifetime aspirations) and am quite busy these days. I don't have time for mind games such as the tease you attempt and I certainly don't have time to tease as I once did. Sometimes in life, one takes a turn in a different direction. Mine no longer entails multiple posts day in and day out on the forum...just an occasional visit like this morning. I wish you well as I do the rest of the crew here in the Whine Cellar. It is sad to see our society becoming so suspicious as the lack of trust continues to fester. What is happening to us??? What I'm about to share might offend those who do not believe in God...but I feel compelled to share my favorite prayer.

A final thought -

*God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change;
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference.*

*Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
As it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
If I surrender to His Will;
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life
And supremely happy with Him
Forever and ever in the next.*

goldenoldie — April 25, 2012 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"I do not follow the teachings of Christ, however I am pretty sure that he taught that compassion and love was the job of the Church and neighbors not the Government."

So a Roman official could crucify or feed to the lions all the Christians he desired, but when he was off the clock, he was to show these same folks love and compassion?

mrd — April 25, 2012 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 25, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.

At the time, by definition a Roman official could not be a Christian.

frobert — April 25, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


King county chair throws a temper tantrum because Ron Paul supporters "took over" convention.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2018061271_king_co_gop_leader_boots_caucu.html

Why do I keep coming to these peoples defense?

frobert — April 25, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Republican leaders, meanwhile, have been irritated at what they see as rude, disruptive and paranoid behavior by the Paul supporters///.One caucus attendee, Michael Brubaker, was so upset by Sotelo's actions he's suing her in small claims court. That's because each caucus-goer paid $10 to participate...

fro- Are these the Paul people that represent the legislative district of right wing trailer parks? Lawyering up because they couldn't behave themselves? Thanks for the link. I hope most Paul supporters display a bit more decorum than these.

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, that was some funny stuff. Maybe if they held an actual election, they would know who to endorse.

hawkeye — April 25, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 9:25 a.m

The Paul supporters followed the rules and behaved themselves, it is up to the convention to elect it's chair. The GOP needs to live with whatever the majority of convention attendees decides.

frobert — April 25, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 9:25 a.m

*The Paul supporters followed the rules and behaved themselves*

Were you there? The article clearly speaks otherwise.

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I hope most Paul supporters display a bit more decorum than these.* I retract.

I hope this continues to convention and beyond!

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The King County GOP caucus appears to be a repeat of the Clark County one - Romney supporters thinking they're going to call the shots, and finding out the Paul supporters aren't going to play ball. And it looks like in both cases that when the full story comes out, the Old Guard are the ones with egg on their faces.

roger — April 25, 2012 at 11:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Obama ijust gave a helluva speech @ University of Iowa.

roger- Poached, fried & sunny side down for the old guard. Scrambled for the "new".

Either way, eggshells and chickens are dumping all over the place! :)

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


FACT CHECK: Romney on his dad growing up poor;

WASHINGTON (AP) — Mitt Romney likes to talk on the campaign trail about how his father "grew up poor," but that's not the whole story.

The father of the presumptive Republican nominee, George Romney, grew up in a family that suffered financial losses and enjoyed prosperity. The elder Romney pursued an upwardly mobile path to become chairman of American Motors Corp. before being elected governor of Michigan.

http://mycenturylink.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9UC691G1%40news.ap.org%3E&ps;=1018

hawkeye — April 25, 2012 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration**

"You will remember this day," Draper reports Newt Gingrich as saying on the way out. "You’ll remember this as the day the seeds of 2012 were sown."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A Catholic's Guide to Living In a *Haunted House*

Among other things, he felt strange electrical sensations in certain parts of the home, he saw shadows moving around the house, he and his wife heard weird sounds, and reminiscent of the movie Poltergeist, his son's toys would turn on and off on their own.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/a-catholics-guide-to-livi_b_1451074.html?ref=weird-news#vmix_media_id=18175193

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**World's Largest Toilet: Japanese Designer Sou Fujimoto Builds Glass Restroom In Spacious Garden (VIDEO)**

“We wanted for those who used the toilet to enjoy this scenery and that feeling of release.”

The luxurious lavatory costs around $123,000, according to CNET.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/worlds-largest-toilet-japan_n_1452214.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Hello** hello ello llo lo o....

FYI The toast of the LAPD, Rodney King is appearing on the Lawrence O'Donnell show tonight. MSNBC

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


as i recall, he said that his father suffered hard setbacks during his lifetime. that's hardly 'growing up poor'.

DeeLittle — April 25, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v;=CZ-4gnNz0vc
*It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
Ayn Rand*

DeeLittle — April 25, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Why Some Conservatives Vote Against Their Interests**

http://open.salon.com/blog/steve_klingaman/2012/04/04/why_some_conservatives_vote_against_their_interests

nailingit — April 25, 2012 at 11:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Freemarketamerica? that video is wrong or misleading on so many levels. I can understand a mouthpiece for the capitalists saying such things, but to blame everyone and everything else that stands in the way of obscene profits is over the top. If people are convinced economic recovery is just a heartbeat away after unleashing these people, they're sadly and dangerously wrong.

Two points.

Look what deregulating Wall St and the financial industry has done. Nuf said there.

How damaging has it been to the economic recovery for big oil to export gasoline and other fuels while letting the price of gas domestically rise to $4/gal? Obviously they are putting profits way ahead of this country's interests. "If I wanted America to fail" I'd be doing exactly what these capitalists are doing, all in the name of profit. At the end of the day, that's all they're after. Now they're singing this same old tune about the Keystone pipeline, promising jobs. What they're really after is the ability to refine and export oil products tax-free out of Texas. Good for America? Hell no. Good for big oil? Hell yea. But to their credit, they have shifted the narrative from what we can do for them, instead of what we should do to them.

A totally free market is controlled by supply and demand. Our "free market" is controlled by the capitalists and their political minions. Ain't even close to being free.

BTW, I read where the 1% now spends 50% of the total money spent by consumers. Again, "If I wanted America to fail", I'd implement that kind of economic structure.

mrd — April 26, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


should read--

But to their credit, they have shifted the narrative to what we can do for them, instead of what we should do to them.

mrd — April 26, 2012 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Drift: That's what I'm talking about.

In her lawsuit, Herx claims that her bishop told her that IVF “is an intrinsic evil, which means no circumstances can justify it. “ She also claims in her lawsuit that her parish pastor told her that she was a “grave, immoral sinner” for pusuing IVF.

I'm sorry but these people are as destructive to people's lives as that "church" in Oregon City.

hawkeye — April 26, 2012 at 9:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Rick Scott Drug Testing Executive Order Ruled Unconstitutional By Federal Judge**

A federal judge has ruled that Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) violated the Constitution last year when he ordered drug testing for state government workers.

The ruling represents the second constitutional rebuke to Scott over drug testing, who last year signed a law to test welfare recipients.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/rick-scott-drug-testing-unconstitutional_n_1455963.html?ref=politics

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 12:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Newt Gingrich's Secret Service protection costs $40,000 per day**

His think tank went bankrupt. His campaign is $4.3 million in debt. He doesn’t hold a prayer of beating Mitt Romney, something he has all but conceded. And yet since March 6th, the Secret Service has honored his request for protection at a cost to taxpayers of roughly $40,000 a day (or, to translate that into a metric Newt might favor, enough to supply 13,333 people a day with food stamps). [...]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/24/1086082/-Newt-Gingrich-s-Secret-Service-protection-costs-40-000-per-day

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 12:34 p.m

The Secret Service needs to send all those "disgraced" agents to watch over the Newt. That, if he strays a little, they can be right there with him. Maybe they can make it a "last chance detail" for the last chance candidate.

Also, doesn't Newt have a PAC worth $5 mil still hanging around somewhere?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/what-will-gingrichs-super-pac-do-with-5-million/

hawkeye — April 26, 2012 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Are we providing an additional 13,333 with food stamps? Why not use that money for these people with job skill training instead of keeping them on the Dole?? And don't say where are the jobs coming from...

vanwadreamer — April 26, 2012 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- Where are these fiscally minded house members and Fox skews on this? What a ridiculous amount of money to protect anyone let alone the Newtster. These superpacs go against the very principles of American democracy. Hopefully SCOTUS will be majored by Dem appointees before Obama leaves office in 2016. It's sad when our own Supreme court is our political processes worst enemy.

vanwa- *Nail, Are we providing an additional 13,333 with food stamps?*

No. The article was saying the money could be used for something else while providing a shot at Newt's hypocrisy.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


International Business Times is reporting that Ron Paul has won the majority of delegates in Washington State. Doesn't this seem like something that we should have heard about in the Columbian first?

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 4:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, all. I just wanted to let everyone know about an event that's coming up tomorrow.

We have a new web editor. His name is John Hill, and he's been with us at the Columbian since 1995. He took over Monday and will take part in a live web chat tomorrow. I'll be joining him.

You can get the details on the chat here:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/ap...

We're chatting with users about the site -- what are we doing right, what are we doing wrong, what we can do differently, and so on. If you have any feedback, questions, or comments for us .... join us!

The anonymous users have helped us out before; it was an anonymous user, after all, who suggested breaking the Letters to the Editor out into separate pages, instead of running them all on one page. I think that was a great suggestion for so many reasons.

You do have to log in with Facebook, Twitter, or OpenID to ask questions and take part, but anyone can watch the chat.

And no, nailingit, if you ask how soon I'm going to leave and enter a new profession, I'm not answering that one. :-)

In any event, I thought you all might like to know.

Matt

Matt Wastradowski — April 26, 2012 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


paul is moving, albeit still a long shot. but another gopper pulled it off way back when-don't remember who-and ended up going from the candidate with the least delegates at the convention to become president. obviously, the conservative wing of the gop ain't real comfy with a Mormon that appears moderate to them. whether they'd get warm & fuzzy with Paul, I don't know. Who knows, if uncommited delegates and those from the dropouts go his way he could make some noise. As of late, political conventions are more of a coronation as opposed to hammering out a platform, which is not is Paul's favor. but I don't see the big boys or super PACS jumping on Paul's bandwagon. The big boys pulling the election strings would prefer a minion, a Romney, has been bought and paid for, unlike Paul.

The big boys will not want their money wasted, so if they perceive Romney more electable than Paul, he's t-up.

mrd — April 26, 2012 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*We have a new web editor. His name is John Hill, and he's been with us at the Columbian since 1995.*

17 years @ the Columbian and he is being moved to web editor?? How did he screw up?

*You do have to log in with Facebook, Twitter, or OpenID to ask questions and take part, but anyone can watch the chat.*

Since you disallow the anonymous from taking part in this "public" discussion, how about setting a separate time for the basement? Not too many posters here and it wouldn't take up much time. (having said that no doubt the questions coming from the basement would prove to be more thought provoking and meaningful than those on the FB side and would sometimes require a thoughtful/elongated response. :))

*And no, nailingit, if you ask how soon I'm going to leave and enter a new profession, I'm not answering that one. :-)*

Matt- Sounds like someone could be *movin' on up*! I'd just as soon have you here than break in a new po-po. :)

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-zOrBIXwBs

fro/Gen/Anyone @ April 25 9:09

Thought you might find this interesting.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, nailingit: It is gonna be such a wild ride this election. I really need to take a long vacation somewhere there is no electricity (and hence no TV) or enduce a coma. It is going to get uglier and uglier.

And the social media wars are really reving up. MoveOn.org is planning to place an Obama ad on every Facebook page of every college student in the US. No kidding.

On FB, Romney has about 2 million "likes" to President Obama's 26 million. :)

manthou — April 26, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


btw Matt, John- *17 years @ the Columbian and he is being moved to web editor?? How did he screw up?*

Good humor intended. Too many times my words are misunderstood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnYPYI...

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


haha John didn't screw anything up. He's been a reporter, worked to keep our computers on (and fixed them when they weren't), and wore a few other hats.

And if there's enough interest, I would happily take some time to answer your questions.

Matt Wastradowski — April 26, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- *It is gonna be such a wild ride this election.* Wow is it ever! So much money involved and so many minds to influence. If you find that spot of solace let me know! I'd still have to set my DVR...I'm hopeless!

Once again so called independents will decide elections. It seems as though whoever shouts the loudest gets the majority of their vote.

Many times claiming the center is because a center of belief is lacking. Not always, but too many times I'm afeared.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now? (Matt check out the vid. Al Di Meola on guitar)

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey guys, we need to invent something that, once you actually vote, you don't have to listen to or see anymore campaign crap. No TV ads, no posters, no signs, no nothing!

hawkeye — April 26, 2012 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt: if you're still hanging out here, I'd love to know if you have a journalism background.

The reason I ask is that I saw a video of David Boardman (Exec Editor of the Seattle Times) discussing the use of social media and digital technology in the newsroom. He basically said something to the effect that we mingle these guys right in with the reporters.

Just wondering.

manthou — April 26, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


To continue the social media and the election thread just a bit, here is a CJ Monitor article, foreshadowing the technological advances we can anticipate for 2012. I think it makes 2008 look like the dark ages:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2012/0426/Obama-slow-jam-on-Fallon-just-a-taste-of-epic-social-media-war-ahead

I finally broke down and joined nextdoor dot com to schooze online with my neighbors. An article in the C this week led me to it. We now have all of 5 neighbors linked.

It's a slippery slope. Next thing you know, I will be tweeting. Or something.

manthou — April 26, 2012 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oops: meant "schmooze", but, in my neighborhood, no one would know what that means.

manthou — April 26, 2012 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good article manthou. When I read something like that I'm glad to maintain anonymity.

At this rate of growth, imagine 20 years from now. Combined with Citizens United...I think we need a national dialog with regards to lifetime SCOTUS appointments.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.

Just how is Citizens United decision not in keeping with the Constitution? Have you even read the first amendment?

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry, nailingit, I had to run an errand. But how about we set something up for next week?

And manthou, I do have journalism experience. I spent two years working for my college newspaper, including one as the Managing Editor.

After graduating, I joined the Columbian and spent five years on the Life team. I did a lot of clerk work but wrote several stories over the span of about five years.

That's an interesting distinction that the Seattle Times editor made. I think journalism experience is vital in this role; a lot of what I learned before taking this position has helped me over the past year+.

Matt Wastradowski — April 26, 2012 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Just how is Citizens United decision not in keeping with the Constitution?*

Did I say it wasn't?

It might be someone's constitutional right to pour gasoline on themselves & light themselves afire if that is their understanding of pursuing happiness & personal liberty.

If that person were to decide it was also best for his neighbors to be set afire, perhaps a dialog should exist.

Interpretation. "Corporations are people my friend." Interpretation. Interpretation. Interpretation. Some of you self appointed constitutional experts are as dogmatic as an Alabama back woods Baptist Preach. And make even less sense.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt Wastradowski

Any reason The Columbian has declined to run a story concerning Ron Paul securing the majority of delegates in Washington? I shouldn't of had to read that in another publication.

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro, I'll look into it and get back to you.

Matt Wastradowski — April 26, 2012 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.

reread the first amendment, freedom of speech and religion is not limited to people,that would exclude the press and churches.

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Sorry, nailingit, I had to run an errand. But how about we set something up for next week?*

Have your people get in touch with my people. I suggest a minimum 05 minute/max 15 minute discourse at a disclosed location. I'll send an advance team to ensure security but suggest users provide for themselves as joining in discourse is at their own peril.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- I have this picture in my head of people wearing pilgrim hats burning witches at the stake while murmuring amongst themselves about the infusion of corporate money in 21st century politics.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 9:53 p.m.

Go to Danvers Massachusetts(not what is now Salem) and visit the site of the Salem Witch trials and read the placards and you might understand that NO witches were burned.

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 9:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- I have this picture in my head of people wearing pilgrim hats hanging witches until they're dead, while murmuring amongst themselves about the infusion of corporate money in 21st century politics. :))

Where's Gen? Gen?

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen has been volunteering all week for conservative causes. Do you liberals ever volunteer for your causes?

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Using your daughter's volunteerism to promote a bigoted view?

No. I must say we are most likely not to do as such. Hide behind our daughter's skirts that is. Shame on you fro.

tsk tsk. You know, I try. I really do.

nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 10:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 26, 2012 at 10:16 p.m.

You still haven't told us why you hate the first amendment.

frobert — April 26, 2012 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Thanks for the morning laughs:) I hope matt didn't attend and graduate from WSU....I didn't know they had a journalism major offered there, only drinking 101 and above..BTW I volunteered to mow a friends yard as he is ailing and won't be able to walk for 6-8 weeks...

vanwadreamer — April 27, 2012 at 10:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer, I graduated from WSU Vancouver -- so I missed Drinking 101. :-) They didn't have a Journalism major when I was there, but I graduated with both a professional writing certificate and degree in Digital Technology and Culture.

Matt Wastradowski — April 27, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- *Nail, Thanks for the morning laughs:)* Anytime vanwa.

*BTW I volunteered to mow a friends yard as he is ailing and won't be able to walk for 6-8 weeks...* If mowing takes that big a toll on your body vanwa, maybe your friend should consider someone else. Take care of yourself! :))

Matt & vanwa- I took Drinking 101 in Middle School. I found it only led to pursuing graduate degrees in the same field! I was at the top of my class!

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt Wastradowski, I am concerned. It appears the forum family has suddenly fallen off the deep end, leaving only a few in it's wake who have resorted to comments against family members or trying to pinpoint someone posting as though it's another person in a hidden persona. There used to be constructive discussion regarding newsworthy articles and daily happenings. It was rare to see personal digs against another person's family member and when it happened, it was eventually nipped in the bud...even with the removal of a regular on the forum. What has happened??? Is this still a news commenting forum or is it a social network?

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- A slow couple of days in here. Perhaps a good thing. Where is anyone's "family member" insulted? What regular has been "removed"?

*Is this still a news commenting forum or is it a social network?* I believe it's both.

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Are you Matt?

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Gen has been volunteering all week for conservative causes." -- frobert — April 26, 2012 at 10:11 p.m.

OK, what's going on here? I thought Gen was a pagan and a revolutionary, amongst other things? Now she's a conservative? Next you'll be telling us she's sponsoring a church bake sale!!

Local Army Recruiting stations were being picketed a few days - by a group saying they were Iraqi Vets Against War (something like that - only one or two had actually worn a uniform). I was checking a couple of the groups out, and talked with one of the leaders for a while - was wondering if Gen was one of them.

rstLond 383

roger — April 27, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Don't you think somebody oughta reckon with him, Matthew?" -- Festus

roger — April 27, 2012 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lol - someone has been offended, days ago, but wait, they will take it public in the forum when they can use it for the most!! Same old whine, nothing to see hear move along.

soapbox4u — April 27, 2012 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Soapbox4u, do you have anything of substance to discuss...like how our government could improve the lives of each individual in the US or how seniors aren't left in the dust due to budget cuts which will inevitably cut what SSI benefits they are barely holding to, any information regarding the decisions by the USCG regarding the crossing project or any other newsworthy discussion or are you only resorting to crap such as your comment at 1:24 pm?

Does it bother you that I've asked the forum patrol one simple question in line with the invitation by Matt which obviously...he's in absentia at the moment? Have you an issue with reading the comments on the forum in their entirety? You might check out Matt's comment on April 26, 2012 at 4:55 p.m. Today IS in fact the day with the Web Chat regarding concerns and questions. Since I do not have a Facebook Account or a Twitter Account and am unable to reveal my true identity to the public, this is where I post my questions and concerns.

No offense to you Soapbox4u, but it appears you are the king of trolls, here since usually, you try to scare people off with your snide remarks. Until my question has been answered truthfully by Mister Matt Wastradowski, I will ask it. If you have a problem with going along with the Columbian's program...that's YOUR problem, not mine.

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt Wastradowski???? I thought it was Mike Wazowski.

Bet you never heard that before.

I have a friend that went to WSU and he said "Drinking 101" was a prerequisite for Freshman there. How is it you missed that one, you do look like a party type guy.

hawkeye — April 27, 2012 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Reference that group of protesters. The guy I was talking with was having a hard time keeping his group moving - pretty much said they were lazy. I had to agree - was telling him stories about way back when we really knew how to protest against the gov't - Mayday in DC. Occupying the Justice Dept, abandoning old junkers in the middle of the old 14th Street Bridge, sneaking down and riding the subway under the Capitol Bldg - good stuff like that. He was properly impressed; said he wished he was around back then.

Then, once I had him hooked, I nailed him. They were protesting because the trial had started for the Manning kid who released the info to WikiLeaks. I had to tell him the little dirtbag was going to spend the rest of his life exactly where he belongs - in Leavenworth.

If you don't like the military, wars, the gov't, or whatever - fine. You're an American citizen, and have every right to stand up and say so. But if you're going to wear the uniform, you need to do so honorably. If there's something you disagree with, say so, and bear the consequences if need be. But don't betray your country and your fellow soldiers by sneaking around giving out info that could prove harmful.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is this still a news commenting forum or is it a social network?

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.

I think it's both.....

It's two, two, two forums in one!

hawkeye — April 27, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Matt Wastradowski** or better yet, ***Mister John Hill*** , I'd like to ask you a question in the hopes that you will be able to answer me without others resorting to their usual trash talk.

Is there any way possible a discussion forum which actually focuses on the previous or current articles or any newsworthy issues could be developed without the needless argumentative attacks on an opinion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age or anything else which sparks negative controversy by those who disagree with others?

This open forum is not what it used to be when we used to discuss individual articles or opinion pieces and is NOT an improvement as far as I'm concerned.

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matthew, that Pack Landers is the type of feller you gotta walk upwind of even if there ain't no breeze a blowin'.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye... as far as I'm concerned, it's the local lion's den and those of us who DO have all the intentions of sharing ideas, hoping to do our part in improving our world or to make a stance on what we believe in...only to have our words bashed apart by those who have nothing better to do than to troll away.

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie - Please - you're tougher than this. You've survived battles with fiscoltiger (or was it fiscal?), alleycat, and a host of others. We all win a few, lose a few, and at the end of the day this place is the best in the neighborhood.

Why do you have to sound like that whiny boy from Washougal (MB)? If nailingit is getting on your nerves, just tell us a few stories about baking bread, watching the deer, what you're growing in your garden, etc. He finds that kind of stuff soothing, and he calms right down.

For a moment, anyhow.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal



goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 1:54 p.m

Sorry GO, but you are just as guilty as anybody in the "social" side. As roger said, you talk about bread, gardens, deer watching, etc. That's really not "news". But every once in a while, everyone has to decompress and walk away from the news and do their best to ignore the crap that the media is trying to feed us.

So, that's why I say , it's both and there's nothing wrong with that.

hawkeye — April 27, 2012 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LMBO - Goldenoldie, you are the first to step and take the whiner label to which I speak? I did not mention your name, your labeling yourself is of your own accord. As to contributing to the forum, we all do, in one way or another. Which is our right, as long as we follow the guidelines. You dare critcize someone as a troll, when you yourself attack most opinions that differ from your own? I call that a glass house. If anyone is that thinned skinned, or subject to imaginary persecution, they should stay away from this place or any other place like it.

soapbox4u — April 27, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, is it okay for John Laird to talk about things around Clark County and we cannot? Is it okay for the Columbian to have a food section which we cannot comment directly from? Is it okay for the Columbian to discuss the Clark County garden fairs and sales yet we cannot discuss issues pertaining to those subjects? If you check, everything I discuss is right in line with what is online at the Columbian...but we have only one forum with which to discuss. So I guess it's okay for you guys to talk about men hiding behind their daughters' skirts, getting drunk and high and all that hormonal male garbage, huh!!!

No surprise to me!!!

I have asked John why they cannot put up a forum which actually discusses the matters at hand. Is that a threat to you??? Remember hawk...today IS live chat day. Not all of us have facebook you know.

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 2:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And Hawkeye...should we discuss all the people who have voluntarily left the forum...never to return? Why don't you ask why??? I made one comment to Matt...and the cyber trolls took it up an extra notch to attack me because they didn't agree. Where's the idea of staying on task around here??? You guys are so bored with your lives that you have to stoop down to the level of going after a woman because she's free to speak her mind? I suppose you all hate the fact that women can vote, too???

Geez, I'm glad I don't know you guys personally!!!

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 2:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**LOL!**

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GO, you can talk about anything you want as long as it doesn't violate their rules. OK, you can't comment DIRECTLY to the story unless you have a Facebook login but so what? If it's that important to you, sign up for Facebook. Sure, it would be nice to have it the way it was but I don't see it happening.

What is the real problem here? Do you miss Lew?

hawkeye — April 27, 2012 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey everyone...I'll be stepping away from the forum for awhile. I have a heavy schedule in the coming weeks as I work towards reaching some of my life goals. I wish all the best to each and every one of you and will be thinking about the laughs we've shared...especially the life boat (thanks to Manthou's original comment...8))...!!! I might be stopping by a couple of times, who knows???

Take care!!! And remember, be kind to your fellow forum friends. The power of words can be overwhelming sometimes!!!

Live long and prosper....!!! (thanks to the Vulcans for that one).

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BAHHHHHHH-ZINGA!!!!

April 18, 2012 at 6:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User

As for reading all forum comments, tell me, what happened to a couple of weeks? Seems like the word troll could be broadly applied to your current stream of comments.

soapbox4u — April 27, 2012 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Soap...apparently you have nothing to discuss with me about issues in today's news world or events which is too bad. I would enjoy sharing my opinion with you...that is, if you could stay on task. Rarely do you share an opinion about events or the news. I've seen your comments when you DID stay on task but just like the forum, you too are transitioning in the same manner. It isn't about me. It's about improving the forum back to what it once was. I asked Matt a question, you came up with your little mind game as you always do...so predictable. Why does it bother you that all I expect is a complete, well-thought answer from Matt that we can all agree upon???

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Where's the idea of staying on task around here???* sigh.....one-more-time...

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a : a usually assigned piece of work often to be finished within a certain time
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: subjection to adverse criticism : reprimand —used in the expressions to take, call, or bring to task
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What made you want to look up task? Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). Another goldenoldie crazy assertion! The 'C' of course! *Where's the idea of staying on task around here???*

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ahhh...good question, soapbox4u. Well, first of all, I didn't say "a couple of weeks." I said I have a heavy schedule and would be checking in a couple of times. Today...is one of those times. I have free time today...taking a break from the hectic schedule and that's that.

So Soapie...what do you think about the military cutbacks in Japan? I hear some are going to Guam. Is this a good move??? Also, what about the increase in disability checks by the injured military folks? What impact will this have on SSI disability??? Care to discuss??

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 2:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie, we have separate forums dedicated to certain topics, and we're happy to create forums based on suggestions. But the open forum is what it is -- an open forum for community discussion.

Matt Wastradowski — April 27, 2012 at 3:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro, our News Editor Micah Rice has an answer regarding Ron Paul:

"I did a wire search and it doesn't appear AP moved anything on the wire. That wouldn't shock me, since AP often doesn't follow when something that was previously known/reported is formalized."

Matt Wastradowski — April 27, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,

Yes, we should move all the 19,000 Marines off of Okinawa; not just the 9,000 they mentioned in the latest agreement. They really don't want them there - haven't since that rape and murder of a young girl about 20 years ago. Also, I believe land is at a premium there these days, and I suspect they'd like the Air Force to go soon too so they can civilianize the airstrip at Kadena. It's kind of like Germany - we're shutting down bases all over. Both countries have moved beyond wanting or needing a large US military presence.

Guamanians are split on this. Some of the old-line Chamorro aren't happy, because this would take up more land and further erode the traditional culture. Where the additional people will live is a problem, and the infrastructure will need a lot of beefing up to support them. Still, a lot of Guamanians welcome the plan - it'll help boost the economy. And seeing as how there are a lot of streets up in the Yigo/Dededo area that still have USMC names, I'll guess they like Marines a little more there than on Okinawa.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here is a list of the Forums that are available at this time in addition to the weekly Open Forums:

Shop Talk business forum

What's happening? Clark County Events

Suggest a forum topic

Downtown Vancouver development forum

Columbia River Crossing forum [duplicate]

Back Fence forum

Tech forum

C-TRAN forum

"Occupy" forum

Columbia River Crossing forum [duplicate]

Matt and John might be able to create an archive for the weekly Open Forums. That would allow for all forums to be visible.

langenthal — April 27, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,

Military disability comes from VA funding. There's no tie to SSI. In fact, you can double dip; I was surprised to find this out recently. A guy I know was medically separated from the Army and draws a permanent disability from VA. He's had a few medical problems since then, and is now considered 100% disabled from the SSI side (or wherever this comes from). Not too bad a racket, but he's really screwed up - I definitely wouldn't trade places with him.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 4:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And seeing as how the varmints are loose today --

http://www.chuckhawks.com/oregon_varmint_massacre.htm

"First off, let's be clear about the guilty parties to this outrage against innocent rodents. The persons responsible for the Great Oregon Varmint Massacre included Bad Bob, Notorious Nate and Crazy Charlie. Malcontents all, it would be hard to find a more motley trio anywhere."

roger — April 27, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. John Hill,

Hello - I hope we'll hear from you soon. And I pray you'll be a bit more compassionate to our plight than Matt has been. This CAPTCHA is totally and completely ridiculous. We go through spells where we see letters and figures that are from no known earthly language - past or present; needless to say, it's a bit difficult to try to recreate them on our keyboards.

We've complained - repeatedly - to Matt, but he just responds with a sadistic sounding snicker and says there's nothing he can do.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Yvette Clarke, New York Rep., Notifies Police After Video Of Her Surfaces On Breitbart, Beck Sites**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/yvette-clarke-tea-party-video_n_1459057.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2FK2v...

It only seems like yesterday. Watch this creep get caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Much of Right wing media = no scruples, no ethics and no truth. Here is a snippet of how they work/manipulate. Beck, Fox News, Limbaugh and such. This is why we can't blur the lines.

Those that do blur the lines often are agenda driven as are a few who 'blur it up' on this forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjRV-...

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not to worry, all is quickly forgotten anyway.

soapbox4u — April 27, 2012 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ah yes, Matt...the forums you speak are well hidden lately. Pretty much what seems to be the general consensus when it comes to those of us who aren't afraid to speak our minds on here. What is it you told someone recently??? Oh yeah...you couldn't move up the forums as it would eliminate the context of the discussion or something to that matter, right???. How convenient when it entails issues such as local economy and the bridge!!!

So what you're saying about THIS forum is...anything goes now??? You are allowing the direct hits by others. the partisan bashing, the off colored jokes including getting drunk and high...trash talk in other words...rather than having a news media website concentrate on...what is it you call it these days??? Oh yeah...

News???

What a complete and utter disappointment!
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Nailingit...when I referred to the word "Task," I meant to keep on the mark of discussing news and events. Don't try to make more of it than it already is. And that link at 5:28pm...made me laugh. It explains a lot when it comes to those who are consistently watching for whatever reason.

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Funny...an otherwise extremely boring week in the forum due to the lack of discussion of community/national issues and events...was enlivened by a WOMAN who took the time out of her very busy day to ask ONE question of the Social Media Coordinator. Shall we review what the wonderful MEN of the forum decided to share???

And you wonder why the world is in the state it is in lately!!!

goldenoldie — April 27, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**
i've had a self-enforced hiatus from posting this week. but i've read the posts anyway...even tried to post once or twice myself.

i have noticed there are those who form the core of the group, and those who orbit the core (think atom).

imnsho, the core consist of elise, luv, you, roger and hawk. i am absolutely positive that i've forgotten a name or two and will beat myself black & blue after i've posted this.

anyway, if any combination of these ppl were to show up at a real coffee shop daily, instead of our cyber basement, everybody would probably stop by, sit down and join in.

but if the group didn't have any of the core, nobody would stay. it would dwindle and then cease to exist.

it's not WHAT we talk about; it's the atmosphere. with the sometimes-exception of one of us (sorry, hawk), we're spontaneous, lively, thoughtful, supportive of one another, do our own thinking and homework and always add to the general discussion.

we're friends. we argue. we disagree. and we don't say mean or demeaning or hurtful things to the others just because we can. we'll do it, but we'll be called on it. plus we'll think about it, realize we let our anger control our fingers, and usually make amends.

friends.

we're still the same, goldie. this is just a lull...not many of the core is around to keep it going. it'll change again, soon, and be the loud, nosey, opinionated bunch we've been all along.

as for me...it's looking like i'm going to have to get my meds with my 9mm
**J U S T -------------- K I D D I N G !!!!!**

i've got a whole new bureaucracy now at work against the fed healthcare system trying to get my meds. just think if this was surgery...... won't go there. no meds to control rage.

DeeLittle — April 27, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Those that do blur the lines often are agenda driven as are a few who 'blur it up' on this forum."

Nail, every one of us has an agenda. Otherwise, we wouldn't take the time to do this.

Dr. Dre -- "Follow me now, Let me lead the way, If your gonna believe in something, Believe in Dre, It's only civilized, For us to live our lives, Royal, Spoiled, The American Way!"

Superman -- "The never ending battle for truth, justice, and the American way."

Toby Keith -- "We'll put a boot in your ass. It's the American way."

Hank Williams Jr -- "And I'm learnin', a little more every day, About the power of the dollar, And the people with white collars, And the good old American way."

Dog the Bounty Hunter -- “But we know that we are fighting for justice and the American way, and we got to make sure everything is legal. And we take a deep breath, and he haw, here we come."

roger — April 27, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,

I am bored to death with the never ending debates over whether it's the liberals or the conservatives who are evil incarnate. If it was MY WORLD, I'd restrict these conversations to Sunday morning from 8 to 10.

But it isn't my world. For some entirely unfair reason I have to share it with people like Frobert, Hawkeye, Nailingit, Elisi, kn_dalai, and others who find these discussions important and stimulating.

Now - to something truly important and relevant to everyday life. You never got around to answering my question from a couple of weeks ago. I accidently bought noninstant powdered milk (something I never heard of). When baking, if I'm using instant, I can just mix the powder in with my other dry ingredients. Can I do the same with noninstant, or do I have to dissolve it first?

Another question. I'm finding that a lot of my old recipes produce a denser loaf than when used previously in AZ and PA - could there be something in the water? Maybe the brand of flour (unbleached all purpose King Art)? I'm sure I'm kneading enough, so I doubt that's it. I've compensated by using gluten, but still --

Thanks for any advice.

roger — April 27, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 27, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.

What does religion have to do with conservatism?

Why can't a revolutionary be conservative?

Haven't you heard of the Ron Paul revolution?

And Gen is quite good at baking, she makes a mean carrot cake.

frobert — April 27, 2012 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert -

Ask Rick Santorum and/or Michelle Bachmann.

A revolutionary wants to bring about change, while a conservative wants to maintain.

Is he related to Les Paul?

Yum!!! Is she for sale?

roger — April 27, 2012 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — April 27, 2012 at 6:14 p.m

I'm not what? Spontaneous? What does that even mean?

hawkeye — April 27, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


gol/dee- You guys have quite the timing with your posts! Lightening is fast but... wow!!!

roger @ 6:30 .. Exactly my point!

roger @ 8:52 .. *Yum!!! Is she for sale?*

If I were to post same I'd have the VantuckyVatican/Columbian po-po's/a misguided redneck and no doubt a young lady sayin' "What the " down my neck!

hawk- Sounds serious!

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 10:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hhPY...

Friday night treat.

nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 11:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's another Hendrix cover - he never gained the top billings he deserved (alcohol kept getting in the way, and led to his death), but his fans considered him the best guitarist of them all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-dL4...

roger — April 28, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Press Talk today: Lou B's recap of the sweet, sweet perfect game pitched by White Sox Humber against the Mariners: almost as good as being there. Almost. I am sooo envious of those few Sox fans who were there. Get those ticket stubs and programs framed. My Chicago roots and memories are absolutely entwined with this team. Comiskey Park with my dad and brothers on a hot Saturday afternoon: brings tears to my eyes.....

hawkeye: I think those who are bored by baseball don't fully understand its complexities and strategy. It is like a game of chess and requires mental focus, concentration and physical stamina.

Poker players love baseball for that reason, too, I think. :)

It rivets me, but football, on the other hand, fogs my brain. I am at a loss to follow that game. I might not be smart enough for it. :)

Chacun a son gout.
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Hey, fro: I am off to the Clark County Democratic convention this morning, so some of us liberals (even the middle of the road ones), are out doing our civic duty today like Gen. You must be proud of her, as I have stated so many times before. :)

Matt: We appreciate your participation here. Thanks for answering the questions and taking the well-meant joking.

manthou — April 28, 2012 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"If I were to post same I'd have the VantuckyVatican/Columbian po-po's/a misguided redneck and no doubt a young lady sayin' "What the " down my neck!" -- nailingit — April 27, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.

It's like this - I was planning on a quick turn-around because that carrot cake is so good. The idea was to sell at a profit to Drift and his buddies. I figured by the time Gen found out and got pissed, I'd be out of the picture.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"hawkeye: I think those who are bored by baseball don't fully understand its complexities and strategy. It is like a game of chess and requires mental focus, concentration and physical stamina." -- manthou at 6:58

Playing through high school and my freshman year at college, I found the hardest part out there in right field was to stay awake in case something did happen.

But perhaps I'm being unfair. When my Senators announced they were abandoning us, I went back to DC and met up with a few friends - we became part of the near riot in their last game that led to it being forfeited to the Yankees. I went to a couple of Phils games afterward, but it wasn't the same - the connection wasn't happening.

Meaning, I think you need to have that devotion to a team to find baseball - or almost any other sport - really entertaining.

But Editor Lou does spin a good story when he's motivated - I read and enjoyed every word of his column.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Roger, though I do enjoy a good carrot cake (banana w/nuts is better) cannabis has never given me the munchies.

Okay, so last night as I was reading in bed I had 1/2 an orange, a piece of chocolate and two hard candies, but I'd hardly call *that* the munchies.

;^)

Drift — April 28, 2012 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I've always enjoyed Buchanan. I think he got the most out of a telecaster one could get.

manthou- Baseball rules! It would be SO nice to attend a bears game tonight in our fine city...but alas, such is "progress".

roger- You were the guy we stuck out in right field? (kidding :)) I always had a great glove/arm and coveted playing shortstop. I could hit also and usually led the team I was playing with on stats. I was a "hired gun" on the local "B" league tournament circuit back in the day.

I was a legend in my own mind!!! :))

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- At least you eat healthier than I do...you had an orange!

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nail,

I kept trying to play shortstop, and my coaches always said there's no way a lefty can play there - get back to the outfield and stay there.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — April 28, 2012 at 8:13 a.m.

Probably the quality of today's munchies leaves something to be desired. Back in the day, before we got all health conscious, it was hard to beat a McDonalds chocolate shake and a large fries! And when we figured we could go right at closing time and the manager would make them on the house, just so we'd take them and leave, they tasted even better.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"hawkeye: I think those who are bored by baseball don't fully understand its complexities and strategy. It is like a game of chess and requires mental focus, concentration and physical stamina." -- manthou at 6:58

Yes Yes, mental focus. Translation- staying awake! Concentration, translation- need glasses, can't see the signs the coach is flashing from left field. Physical stamina, translation- well OK, I got that one, you need to sprint 90 feet and be able to catch a ball without running into your neighbor. So it's just like chess, or it would be if you were playing chess and someone on occasion removed one of your pieces. (wouldn't THAT be fun)

Seriously, I guess there is a little strategy involved when you get to the bigs but until you can control EVERYTHING the ball does, it's just hit it and hope you score and whoever scores the most wins.

Manthou, good luck at the convention. If it comes up, the thing I'm most interested in (as a potential Senior) is them maintaining SSI and Medicare.

hawkeye — April 28, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I looked up manthou's French saying and found something else that might make a good motto for the Basement.

chacun a ses vertus

But then, perhaps not. I suppose everyone has that special someone it wouldn't possibly apply to.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I played a few years with a left handed 3rd base. I'll tell ya, nothing got down the line with this guy. At the same time it opened up a few more opportunities for me. :) I loved it. The smell of grass and leather, (come to think of it times haven't changed that much!:)) the bravado, the camaraderie, the pop of the ball and the crack of the bat...

...I don't think it was too much to bring the bears hear. It would have lifted part of this community.

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*bring the bears hear* here, not hear. My mistakes are many but usually not that bad

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Lou Brancaccio

Great column today! Thank you. I can't imagine anyone capturing the spirit of this event as well as you have. Your write and vid were truly...

somethin' special!

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

A real baseball team - even Single A - yes. But the cost was looking way too high for a short season team. And seeing as how we don't have a good track record with these money making ventures (Hilton, Clark County Amphitheater) - numbers just didn't add up.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


~To compose our character is our duty, not to compose books, and to win, not battles and provinces, but order and tranquility in our conduct. Our great and glorious masterpiece is to live appropriately. All other things, ruling, hoarding, building, are only little appendages and props, at most.~
― Michel de Montaigne

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goldenoldie/whoever- I take exception to those who openly criticize what other folks are speaking of because it doesn't fit into a certain narrative. No one carries on about drug/alcohol use. A few might re(e)fer to a comical quip or a pleasant experience, but nothing nefarious. Please spare us your faux high mindedness. Please quit framing conversation with the intent of making yourself out to be a victim. Too often you are the victimizer and it gets old.

Please put those on ignore whose conversations you find so disturbing and please quit hammering Matt & The New Guy to censor and vilify what you deem inappropriate, but the majority finds acceptable.

For whatever reason you are resorting to some type of gender card. Please quit implying there is some sort of gender discrimination happening in this forum. It ain't so and you know it.

I'm not bringing this up to stir things up.

Just turning the light on.

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 9:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Dentist Pulls All Ex's Teeth Out; Anna Mackowiak Faces Jail Time**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/28/dentist-pulls-all-exs-teeth-out_n_1461288.html?ref=mostpopular

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**When Mormons were socialists
Joseph Smith would be horrified by the religion's present-day materialism -- and uber-capitalist candidate**

The rise and fall of the Nephite nation is a cautionary tale included in the Book of Mormon. The book purports to be the history of ancient American people, written by prophets who foresaw the present day and knew that calamity was coming. Joseph Smith reportedly translated the record by “the gift and power of God.” The prophetic message of the scripture is sharp; if Americans are obedient to God, we will be blessed with riches. If Americans set our hearts on riches and ignore the poor, we will be destroyed.

It’s an ontological dilemma facing every millionaire Mormon.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/27/mormons_who_fear_mitt/

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 1:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So I am heading for the state Democratic convention in early June as a delegate! I had to give a tiny speech and all. Even the likes of Jim Moeller could not wiggle out of standing up in front of the 149th district and asking for votes to be a delegate.

I almost didn't do it, but thought: what the hey. I can add this on a bucket list of "been there, done that." I won't look or sound any sillier than anyone else. I gave it my best shot, using talking points practiced here. :) 14 women and 13 men were chosen plus alternates from the 149th. We had a little over 100 voters from that district in attendance today.

What is interesting now is the jockeying that is going on already to get to the national convention. I am a real newbie at this, and a guy with a whole lotta experience under his belt (not to mention hot air) was giving me unsolicted advice which I think was meant to discourage and intimidate me and other greenhorns as I made my way out the door.

I think he needs to move over and give some others a chance, don't ya' think?

Hawkeye: protecting SS and medicare and protecting health care reform is big on the platform. Cannot wait to see what the entire state puts forth. Reviewing, debating, and voting on platform issues was the most fascinating process of the day for me. So glad to see a few young kids there. And a C reporter. :)

manthou — April 28, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Kudos to you! Thank you for your activism & lifting the blue flag of democracy! :)

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Obama is nailing it at the W H correspondent's dinner!!! Too funny! CNN

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

Yes. And if he doesn't move - well, the NHL playoffs are on, so a little hip check would be most appropriate.

Enjoy.

Hmmm.... The part about saving Social Security and Medicare sounds like Jaime.

roger — April 28, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Thank you for your activism & lifting the blue flag of democracy!" -- nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.

Nails, you got me feeling so patriotic that I had to go find us a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZ3jP...

roger — April 28, 2012 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Jimmy Kimmel rocked the White House dinner! i.e....

*Keith Olbermann has more pink slips than Marcus Bachman!*

Extremely funny show! Obama & Kimmel both hit home runs.

Matt would have banned Kimmel in the first few seconds! Why is television allowed more latitude with comments than the local C???

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Thanks roger! It's hard to beat the vocals of the Mo Tabs!

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mort Zuckerman says there is no recovery - government statistics are misleading, and many of the new hires are temporary jobs with no benefits. Employers are not willing to make long term investments due to economic uncertainty.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2012/04/20/mort-zuckerman-president-obamas-economic-programs-have-failed

He was on CNN's Your Money today - said Pres Obama missed the mark with his health care plan. Americans wanted him to bring costs under control. Instead, he focused on extending care to the 26 million, and allowed costs to skyrocket.

HOWEVER, he also said there was no way McCain would have done better. (I believe McCain was going to continue Bush's let the economy right itself approach which got us here in the first place.)

roger — April 28, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Mort is pretty far to the right. He's worried about a higher tax rate. I used to watch John Maclaughlin quite a bit. John was great! (is he still around?)..crazy but great. Whenever the subject of raising taxes was discussed, Mort would turn beet red and looked near death.

Let's go back to the effective tax rate when Reagan took office...70%?

Let's ask ourselves...

Were we better off as a country before Reagan took office...or after...:))

Romney needs to get specific. As far as I know he wants to take us back to Bush policies. I can't believe anyone would want that. With the exception of those conservatives that hide behind their church and insist that Jesus wants lower tax rates for the uber wealthy and pay for it on the backs of the poor. I think we have one running for local office!

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Saturday Night Open Treat. Or SNOT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXSU8...

nailingit — April 28, 2012 at 9:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Journalists using drones for mining their own data? The ultimate mobile app:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1835533/why-flying-drones-are-the-future-of-journalism?partner=gnews

Mobile technology vs privacy? I have no idea of where this will take us......

manthou — April 29, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***Did I not warn everybody? This is how it starts.***

Portland police say a clerk was assaulted by members of a "flash mob" at a Southeast Portland convenience store.

Sgt. Pete Simpson, a Portland Police Bureau spokesman, says officers were told that 15-to-20 young people chased a man and woman into the store late Friday. As the woman asked a clerk to call 9-1-1, the mob stole food, candy and alcohol.

The clerk tried to capture one of the suspects and was hit several times. The worker did not need medical attention.

Simpson says some of the young people later returned to the store, but fled when another employee deployed pepper spray.

Officers have obtained store surveillance video in an attempt to identify suspects.

Similar flash mob thefts hit the Lloyd Center Nordstrom and a Southeast Portland gas station earlier this month.

hawkeye — April 29, 2012 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ron Paul, won Louisiana yesterday and very well may have won Alaska. Since I am sure the Columbian and other mainstream media outlets won't tell you, I figured someone had to.

frobert — April 29, 2012 at 11:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, the Louisana Republican't primary was March 24th. And Ron Paul only got 6.1% of the vote. Maybe that's why the "mainstream media" hasn't mentioned it.

hawkeye — April 29, 2012 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 29, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.

As of yesterday Paul secured 74% of the state delegates in Louisiana, that would be a win.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-paul-wins-louisiana-caucus-2012-04-29

frobert — April 29, 2012 at 12:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro @ 11:23- Exciting! I'm behind him all the way.

GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL!

nailingit — April 29, 2012 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert: I read that Ron Paul supporters are planning a coup at the Nevada state Republican convention. I am impressed with their tenacity and committment. I truly think this will cause a big problem at the National convention and I hope they shake it all up there.

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Since I walk by here daily with my pooch, I have to comment on that terrible tragedy that claimed the life of the little boy yesterday on E Main and 27th.

C-Tran just re-routed their buses from Main to Broadway. When I was out last week, I noticed how buses get from Main to Broadway now: they turn east to 27th from Main and this is where the child was struck. I wwatched one struggle with the turn and then struggle to turn right on Broadway. It is like a pretzel move.

E 27th, right next to Dairy Queen, is hardly a block long. Until the buses started re-routing there, it was rarely used by vehicles at all: more like an extension of the DQ parking lot, really. No one is looking out for buses there because it is so new. I remember being taken by surprise when I watched this huge bus struggle to get from Main to Broadway there.

I feel such a depth of pain for this child's family. I am sure the driver's life will never be the same, either. Our lives can change in a blink.

It would be safer if southbound buses on Main turned east at 4th Plain and then south on Broadway. This other way was a shortcut of sorts that needs to be re-considered.

manthou — April 29, 2012 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — April 29, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.,

C-Tran should be required to stay on the main streets. We've got the same problem in the Orchards area - to save time, buses are using residential streets like 112th and 102nd Avenues. Their presence leads to an increase in other traffic as well. Which in turn leads to an increase in speeding. These streets have stretches where there are no lights and no sidewalks - basically, it's become quite dangerous to walk or bicycle on them in the evening anymore.

roger — April 29, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I wonder if we'll read about this in The Columbian. Reading stuff like this also makes me wonder about refusing to eliminate the sales tax exemptions for Oregonians - our state has to be losing out on tens of millions every year in the various taxes and fees not being collected due to people living here who pretend to be Oregon residents.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19980929&slug;=2774807

"Getting a car licensed in Oregon is cheap and easy and can be done by mail. But in most cases, it's tax evasion if you don't live there. The scofflaws are costing other states, particularly Washington and California, millions in lost revenue. States as far away as Nebraska and Oklahoma are suddenly reporting large numbers of Oregon-plated cars, too.

"Last year, the Washington State Patrol put two detectives on the registration scam full time in Clark County to handle cases where fraud is suspected - as opposed to more common cases where people procrastinate on changing plates after switching states. The Patrol plans to almost double its staff by Jan. 1. to combat the problem.

"Trooper Mike Kesler sets up monthly ramp checks in Vancouver, Wash., at which police jot down license numbers in the morning stampede of Oregon plates crossing from Clark County into Portland.

"Some suspects are easy to spot, such as the Oregon-plated cars with the bumper stickers that boast about their honor-roll kids in Washington schools. Kesler sifts through a stack of as many as 10,000 suspected scofflaws at any one time. He tries to stay realistic.

"It's a war that we're not going to win," he says. "But we're going to take some casualties with us."

roger — April 29, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 29, 2012 at 12:21 p.m

See, this is why a caucus is NOT representative of the voters in any state or district only that of the people attending the caucus. I think it's a stupid way to nominate anybody and to come in and hijack the nominations shows a total disregard for the voters.

hawkeye — April 29, 2012 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal




hawkeye @ 4:23: I would agree with you on the caucus limits. I think more people would vote by mail than would show up for an all day caucus. You would have a larger representative sample of voters by mail.

Here is another thing that woke me up yesterday: the high cost of being a delegate. It is pay-your-own way for all conventions. It is estimated that the cost of attending the national convention is $3000. And the state convention hotels range from $139-$199 per night.

I think that pretty much eliminates a whole load of Dems.

manthou — April 29, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — April 29, 2012 at 8:45 p.m

Will you, can you, accept donations?

hawkeye — April 29, 2012 at 10:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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