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Good morning, nailingit. In response to your comment yesterday at 8:48 p.m. in last week's forum...I don't believe it's just the D's who have that "Shadow Government," but I'm sure you knew that, right???

Kn_dalai, thanks. I come and go as everyone knows.

Hawkeye, we're not talking about $4 an hour. We're talking about a 40% cut in retirement like SSI. We're talking about medical bennies similar to Medicare getting axed...and I'm not just speculating. This is first hand information by someone we know in Greece and just talked with two days ago.

The people of Greece, the working class in our age groups...have never had the chance to build their savings since the fall of the Drachma. They had to rely on government retirement benefits such as SSI which was determined the same way...by prior wages. Now, their retirement checks have been drastically cut...paying outrageous costs for fuel and food at a much higher rate than here. Farmers are dumping their crops rather than trying to sell at market...hence the union clashes. This is just a piece of the puzzle, Hawk. The government is starving their people...and it should never have come to this....hence the people protesting the joining of the EU when more were independent of their government.

goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 8:38 a.m.

I understand and I told you it wasn't the same thing. I was more responding to kn_d about the unions. They are not all the same.

I'm sorry that the people in Greece are going through such a rough time in their history, seems to me they need to get their priorities in order and continue to work to get healthy again. I have no idea how they would do that, it seems overwhelming, but there must be a way without harming their own.

hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


One more item that I care to mention is directed to nailingit and your post about rightwingers and Soros. We all can believe whatever we want to believe but when the facts are there right in front of our noses, some of us care to ignore these facts.

Kn-dalai mentioned the troika in their post yesterday...the troika is comprised of international lenders to Greece. They are the International Monetary Fund, the European Commission and The European Central Bank. All I can say is that anybody who has done their homework, they will find who has major involvement with at least one of these entities and has used it to his benefit. I speak of the IMF and Mister S himself. I could also provide documented historic evidence to his shenanigans and what he is duly noted for with regards to control of world monetary funds and world markets...never mind the fact about his conviction in insider trading years back.

A philanthropist works for the good of the people. Mr. Soros has been hailed as a philanthropist but what he has done to England and other countries is hardly the workings of someone who wants to do good for the people. He made a pretty penny out of that one with regards to the Sterling and he hurt many people in the mean time. He's no hero. So before you try to make it sound like a conspiracy by rightwingers, you might get your facts straight, nailingit. Then you won't make yourself look like such a fool.

goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Then you won't make yourself look like such a fool.*

goldenoldie- Some things never change. To include your penchant for personal attacks, name calling and relying on Glenn Beck fringe conspiracy theories to support your extreme right wing view points.

I would suggest a change in media venue...but we know that won't happen!

Personal attacks and nutty conspiracies aside, good to see you post! :))

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning, Hawkeye. I'm glad you responded so quickly as I won't be on the forum much longer today. I'm not sure that Greece will make any kind of quick turnaround. I actually believe it will take 10-20 years before any kind of normalcy will return there but you know, we can all learn from this gross mistake before it's too late for us...and that's where each and every one of us need to continue downsizing our own lives. We could easily see the very same situation here with drastic cuts to SSI and to Medicare. I don't know about your situation but I know that if I were on retirement bennies right now, a 40% or larger cut to SSI would definitely be a huge blow to my life...and that is why I am planning my future (12 years from now). I'm not speaking of buying of risky stocks or or anything like that. I'm speaking of what I could do now to prevent such a catastrophic hit to my own pocket book. And let me tell you...unemployment benefits to a painter right now are the lowest they've ever been since work has slacked off in recent years. The qualifying wages have taken a huge hit. So the recession has hit...but we are surviving because we planned and prepared. You know in a way, when I invested in my wood stove...that was step one. Yes, it cost a bit but it's already almost paid itself off. Step two will be the solar panels this summer for reduction or elimination of our energy bill. Of course, anywhere that I can save a couple of bucks a month will help for that emergency fund. Funny how I still see an occasional penny or even quarter on the ground that nobody picked up. Did I turn them down? Aw Heck no!!! Imagine how those coins would add up over the course of a few years???

Anyhow...with recycling, we have reduced our garbage service and will reduce it to once a month. We won't have to purchase compost for our garden as we will faithfully collect compost for the garden. We will again grow our own veggies and there's another couple of bucks saved. Rainwater collection will help again in costs to water the veggies. Anyhow, you get the picture. We ALL need to prepare...even if it never pans out. At least we'll be ready for whatever comes our way. It's not too late...not yet at least.

goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Murdoch hit by threat of new legal fight in US
Mogul faces stark new threat as he flies to London following arrests of five Sun journalists**

Lions tigers and bears! The grips of reality are drawing closer and closer to the right wing propagandized FOX news empire.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/murdoch-hit-by-threat-of-new-legal-fight-in-us-6804801.html

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, you're such a silly person. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack...just some friendly advice, and thanks. Change of media venue? Naw...who would you have to spar with then???

goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And Nailingit....

Is that the best you could do to counter my argument with your post at 9:25 am??? Boy...yer a slippin'!!! Cat got yer tongue??? (yes, I'm teasing you.)

goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*It wasn't meant to be a personal attack...just some friendly advice,* :)

You can re-write just about anything! You highlight one of the many problems that face us today. A failure of people to take responsibility for their words and deeds.

Please. Again. I won't be your fiscaltiger or your alleycat.

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Congress Debt Ceiling Debacle May Repeat Before Presidential Election

Barring a major economic shock -- a financial meltdown in Europe, for instance -- the emergency measures should be enough to get the federal government past the election. But even under a rosy scenario, the next Congress will be forced to raise the debt ceiling as one of its first orders of business in 2013, if the lame duck outgoing body doesn't do it. And if the Treasury does have to invoke "extraordinary measures" before the election, it's easy to imagine a re-run of last year's political circus, magnified many times over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/debt-ceiling-congress-_n_1253655.html

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou, I just saw your comments in last week's thread on Ray and Cami's stories. Thanks for passing those kind words along. I've forwarded your kudos to both of them (in the event that they don't skim the threads here).

Hope everyone is having a great week so far!

Matt

Matt Wastradowski — February 13, 2012 at 10:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***I love it***

WASHINGTON (AP) - General Electric Co. (GE) plans to hire 5,000 veterans over the next five years and invest $580 million to expand its aviation business.

The announcements Monday were part of a four-day event that the global conglomerate is hosting with partners in Washington, D.C., that focuses on issues such as manufacturing and job creation in America.

GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt heads up President Obama's 27-member jobs council, which also includes AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, AOL co-founder Steve Case and Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg.

GE said Monday that its "Hiring Our Heroes" partnership will help match veterans with jobs. The company, whose products range from jet engines to light bulbs, will also team with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to sponsor 400 veterans' job fairs this year. GE currently employs more than 10,000 veterans and has about 100 U.S. employee reservists currently serving overseas.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20120213/D9SSG6U00.html

hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit @9:44 am...

Rewrite??? Nope, just saying it like it is. I see DeeLittle confirmed my suspicions in a post in last week's forum. (Guess I'm not the only one who has noticed, huh!)

BTW, nice roll of miniscule head-on attacks by you. Not my fiscaltiger or alleycat??? What's that supposed to mean??? Oh, *I* see! You're referring to the fact that you don't have anything of substance to discuss regarding political affiliations/conspiracy theories or anything to do with Greece/Soros/World Economic Climate? Just playing the little nasty innuendos game to rile the crowd like a little troublemaker would normally do. Okay. I can accept that. Guess I'll just move on and discuss the REAL issue at hand rather than the longstanding issue you have with me.

sigh...

Oh Well!

..

Hawkeye, that's good news! I've been wondering if there's any jobs left out there at all with all the vets coming home lately, you know. I was curious if the unemployment numbers would jump as the fighting brave come home. Now...let's hope the wages GE has to offer will be something people can actually live on.

Also...I'm wondering if GE is leaving jobs open for those at home who have been trying to support their families while the loved ones were at battle or for the millions who have been out of work for some time, now.

goldenoldie — February 13, 2012 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"**They want to be Rush Limbaugh. They want to be Bill Kristol. They want to be Charles** Krauthammer,"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/cpac-conservative-media-journalism_n_1272327.html

We used to be a people that were inspired to do better! LOL!!! It's a shame integrity and responsible journalism is not at the forefront. But then again...this is C-PAC. A home where the White Nationalists can teach and inspire!

**White Nationalists Share Spotlight With GOP at CPAC**

If the Conservative Political Action Conference can be expected to accomplish anything more than angry bellowing, it is to reliably embarrass every decent and sane conservative in America. Sometimes the problem is a conspiratorial extremist co-sponsor, like the John Birch Society; sometimes the problem is a certifiable kook giving the keynote address, like Glenn Beck; and sometimes the problem is just vicious bullying of gay conservatives, who have been officially expelled from the conference.

But now the annual Washington showcase of the far right is plunging toward new depths of disgrace, by featuring “white nationalists” among its speakers.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/white_nationalists_share_spotlight_with_gop_at_cpac_20120212/?ln

Do these guys know Jesus wasn't white?

To not criticize this type of debauchery...is to embrace it. Where are the voices from the right?

This will be front and center @ election time as it should be. At least they're not pretending to get the Black and Latino vote anymore.

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie, I'm pretty sure that just about anyone who isn't in a mental institution, has noticed. Long ago.

By the way, I've been wondering if the patients in those places have internet access.

(No offense to anyone.)

kn_dalai — February 13, 2012 at 12:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Spamatozoa!**

And now a commercial break from your regular political debate (thanks, for your indulgence, Matt. This will be my last mention).

http://litsam.com/2012/events/vancouver-signing-a-little-sex-a-lot-of-dope-and-an-aircraft-carrier/

Hey, Matt, you don't think there's a chance of mention in the Life section of The Columbian, do you? You know? Over in the left column where they'll mention someone from Battleground whom wrote a cookbook, or something....?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
BTW, I *do* have a spare copy laying around, drop me a line. It's yours if you want it.

Drift — February 13, 2012 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WTG Drift, I hope you sell a few.

Hey, here's an idea, tell everyone that there's a part in there about Romney or Rush or one of the Bush boys, smokin dope. They'll fly off the shelves.

hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 11:46 a.m,

Truthdig? Robert Scheer has been one of the more radical people in the news world since the '60's. You're slamming Glenn Beck and his buddies with a guy that's their polar opposite.

The guys referenced, Peter Brimelow and Robert Vandervoort, sound a lot lot Pat Buchanan - once Scheer's vitriole is removed from the article describing them. They're people who believe this is an English speaking nation - and that the "invasion from south of the border" must be stopped. This alone gets them on the SPLC's list - you don't have to be a practitioner or inciter of hatred to attain that status.

Pres Obama has a few mentors of his own that the Repubs like to jump up and down about. Frank Marshall Davis espoused communism. Bill Ayers, Alice Palmer and Saul Alinsky are extremely left of center. And Rev Wright apparently doesn't like white people all that much.

Oh well.

Now, if you want to really stir the pot, take the Jesus was a brown man a step further. He was a Jewish rabbi who was a follower of John the Baptist; all that messiah business was about the Jews rising and overthrowing the foreign oppressors - he was supposed to lead them. Herod and the Romans put a stop to that!

roger — February 13, 2012 at 1:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.

If Lew Waters is correct, GE also pays no income tax and is one of the corporations that's moved divisions to places like China.

I'm quite happy that they're investing in veterans. But I'd be even happier if they'd keep the jobs, and plants that lead to jobs with suppliers, etc, in this country.

roger — February 13, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Pres Obama has a few mentors of his own that the Repubs like to jump up and down about. Frank Marshall Davis espoused communism. Bill Ayers, Alice Palmer and Saul Alinsky are extremely left of center. And Rev Wright apparently doesn't like white people all that much.*

roger- This is being reported in many venues. I chose truthdig (which I haven't checked out before as I shy away from left leaning biased media...:))), because it was vitriolic. :) I understand the correlation to some degree, but this goes well beyond an individual (Obama). The optics alone...anyway.

*Now, if you want to really stir the pot, take the Jesus was a brown man a step further. He was a Jewish rabbi who was a follower of John the Baptist;*

And a Carpenter, the Son of God, God, (and according to Mormon doctrine the brother of Satan, no time for idle hands here!) and he swung a mean hammer at Temple gatherings. The guy kept busy!

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good luck on your book Drift. If Matt doesn't take your offer, I will. And I'll pay! :)

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**CAVE: HOUSE GOP GIVES IN ON PAYROLL TAX**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/payroll-tax-cut-extension-house-gop_n_1273781.html

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 3:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift, tell ya what: E-mail [bits@columbian.com][1] with your name, book title, some background information on the book, what inspired the book, and so on. I can't make any promises, but that's your best bet.

And if you'd like to get the word out about your book-signing, you can do so by filling out the form at http://www.columbian.com/weekendform/

Good luck!

Matt

[1]: mailto:bits@columbian.com
[2]: http://www.columbian.com/weekendform/

Matt Wastradowski — February 13, 2012 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.,

The Repubs are separating the "payroll tax cut" extension from unemployment extension and something to do with Medicare. The claim is they're frustrated with the White House refusing to negotiate in good faith, or some such nonsense. How the White House will respond is up in the air.

"Carney added that the unemployment insurance extension and the "doc fix" are "equally important" as the payroll tax cut extension."

With all due respect, Mr. Pres's mouthpiece, the "payroll tax cut" is NOT a tax cut - it is a short term smoke and mirrors bit of legislation designed to make the taxpayer think he's getting something. All that's being gotten is a reduction of funding for Social Security, which can only bring about that system running out of money ahead of the current 2037 (I believe) projection. Of course the Repubs will "grudgingly" accept this extension - it plays into their desire to privatize Social Security.

roger — February 13, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I don't think the GOP leadership is willing to bend to their most extreme members this time. Last December when Senate Republicans voted down extending the payroll tax cut, while lobbying for tax cuts for the rich, it was the final straw for many. The tanking numbers for elected republicans went completely in the toilet, and Obama started inching toward the 50% approval rate. If GOP leadership has any control at all (and that's questionable) they will fly it through any way they can. Voters remember fights like this.

I hear you on the SS issue. We should borrow the bucks from China. Like Bush and Obama did for the Bushie tax cuts. :)

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


On another note...RIP Whitney Houston. Im not a fan but what a voice.

Having said that, if I hear that damn Bodyguard song one more time....oh crap...

it's happening again!!!

I will always love uuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuu... Enough! :}

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey anybody else got a call from our own Jamie? I was on the other line and did not release so I was treated to her voice mail. Nice recording alright. Telling me she was sorry to have missed me but will conduct more such phone interviews as well as coffee shop talks with people so they can tell her what is important back home. Told me she cars about what we want and think and is fighting hard.
Just surprised she called this house. We are definitely NOT on a Republican list if any kind. so this was either a mistake or she is reaching out to those of us who could be considered, eh, less friendly.

luvithere — February 13, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Germany is balking at more bailout money for Greece, until some other things fall into place. Hardly unexpected. It seems to me, that even if Greece gets the next bailout tranche, it’s only delaying the inevitable.

Greece’s GDP is certainly tiny compared to many other European nations, but there is the problem of European banks, which hold large amounts of Greek bonds, and to a smaller extent U.S. banks, and the ensuing ripple effect.

The whole thing is extremely sad and scary. Goldie, you provide some information and insights that isn’t seen on the news. As far as I’m concerned, I’d be interested in any comments you care to share on what’s going on over there.

Nailingit. Cool avatar. PBS’s American Experience had an episode on Geronimo a couple of weeks ago. Good program. Maybe you saw it. Unless you’re Native American Indian, perhaps you’re soon to leave these shores, and go back to wherever your predecessors came from. Please write.

kn_dalai — February 13, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — February 13, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.

I suppose there's a possibililty that she's calling up 3rd congressional district constituents, rather than just the R's.

kn_dalai — February 13, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And might I further add, as far as I’m concerned, what’s happening in Greece, is a macro-metaphor of the problems of too much collectivism. Both on the country wide level, and the personal level. And there are those who believe in a strong, United Nations. Some sort of pie-in-the-sky one world government.

kn_dalai — February 13, 2012 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere- If she calls again please tell her I said hi!

kn_d- *Please write.* Thanks man, but I'll hang stateside for a while. It is nice to know you care!

kn_d @ 6:50 It's not like you to go into such intricate detail. :))

On another note...goldenoldie it is good to see you post and hope you continue to do so. And I'm not even being 'snarky'!

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I got an email from Jamie, yesterday. I sent her one a several weeks ago telling her that she needed to start getting along with the kids on the other side of the aisle. In the letter she seemed to agree with me but there was so much double talk, I'm really not sure, but she thanked me for writing (I think) and signed her name.

hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There is an idea called getting half the loaf.

If you can't get the whole loaf now, get half the loaf.

Then, get the other half later. Maybe that has something to do with the Republicants.

Oh Gee OCD, I guess I better start pulling one article after another from the Cato Institute, and the Heritage Foundation, and the National Review. Then I better get into the other really good stuff. I guess that would make me well informed and deep.

kn_dalai — February 13, 2012 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yeah yeah yeah. But all I see is meatloaf!

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ah. I see I have been all wrong about you. You definitely can see your own brains after all.

Now, please do try to look outwards, while the rest of us stand a good distance away. (I'm not a big fan of getting someone's brains splattered all over my white shirt, as the full metal jacket of truth hits them.)

kn_dalai — February 13, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not to worry. I used breadcrumbs and an egg. It should keep the splatter factor down.

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK boys, just take 'em out and get the measuring tape.

Are we done now? Good.

Let's get along now.

hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


??? I believe it's all in good humor hawk.

Sometimes we are closer than we think for a major change on the court. I hope it doesn't happen this way...

**Stephen Breyer, Supreme Court Justice, Robbed While On Vacation On Island Of Nevis**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/stephen-breyer-robbed-supreme-court-justice_n_1274331.html

---

This site is pretty cool for those interested!

http://www.supremecourt.gov/

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk, you would want me to LIE?! Heh.

Nail, drop in at the signing. There might be a loose one kicking around.

Matt, Thanks so much for the pointers. You're alright, man!

Drift — February 13, 2012 at 10:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- I wouldn't miss it! I'll try to get back on your forum in near future. Again, best of luck! We have a published author in the basement!

My God. I turn to Fox and it's nothing but Laura Ingram & Greta Vansomethingorelse doing nothing but tearing apart Grammy performers. People that support Fox as a news station...nevermind.

On the subject of insults which managed to weave it's way in the door the last couple of days. Seems like old times :(

When I first started posting awhile back, the personal insults and vulgarities were many. I'm sure I threw some myself, and have to catch myself even now from lashing out to some degree when attempts are made to de-humanize me, my country, my President, people of color and all others in between.

But insults roll off pretty well when you understand that those attacking invisible people with avatars comes from a dark and lonely place. I think most folks who get their freak on throwing insults @ avatars are either too timid in life to "man up" and deal with problematic situations in a thoughtful and mature way, or for many it's a matter of displaced anxiety. Hating much about themselves, others, sometimes life itself to some degree, they take pleasure in releasing their frustrations on others to appease themselves and placate their misguided egos. Some worship at the alter of narcissism and receive stimulation that demeaning others provides.

I just try and stick to our dum-bass politicians. :)

Everyone has their own viewpoint. Right, left and in between. And I'm not saying these viewpoints should always be respected. Some are just downright weird and anti-American in my opinion. But my opinion is...just my opinion. And only that. If someone disagrees, that's cool.

Just try and be somewhat respectful of others. What I always tell my kids, (and I like the way they are turning out!) treat others as you wish to be treated. If everyone did that the world would have zero problems.

Unless Republicans were in charge! ;))

amen

nailingit — February 13, 2012 at 11:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HaHaHaHa!

Now that some funny........stuff.

Seems that someone hit a deer up the street and I hear the coyotes fighting over it. Howllllllllllll

hawkeye — February 13, 2012 at 11:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The WA State House has passed and sent to the Senate a bill requiring insurance plans that cover pregnancy to also cover abortions.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/fe...

They say this is in preparation for the 2014 implementation of Affordable Health Care. There are a couple major exemptions - the religious one, and plans that cover more than one state.

What I'm trying to decide is whether this is largely symbolic - pandering to the liberal base up north - or whether it could actually lead to reducing the number of abortions we're currently paying for with State funds.

And what if the Repubs win in 2012 and get rid of "Obamacare"?

roger — February 14, 2012 at 5:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Pres Obama wants the community colleges to start offering training which will give people the skills to get the millions of unfilled jobs.

This is one of my "soapbox" issues. Back when we had Jaime's Job Fair, it seems some of the jobs were trades (HVAC, for example), but most were in the electronics industry. Why are we not offering this training in the high schools? I took an electronics tech curriculum at Phoenix College in AZ in '79 & '80 (my color-blindness derailed going further) - there was nothing that a reasonably intelligent and motivated high schooler couldn't have mastered! I accept that technology has grown tremendously, but if the basics are taught in high school, it seems to me the fix would be well under way.

roger — February 14, 2012 at 5:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- My daughters ex boyfriend was involved with the skills center which speaks somewhat to the issue. I'm not sure how entailed it is or how much credibility local businesses give it, but has been here for quite awhile and seems like a good program.

http://www.ccskillscenter.com/about_us.php

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Right left or center, it's good to see the Fed work.

**Health Care Fraud Judgments: Federal Authorities Recovered $4.1 Billion In 2011**

MIAMI -- Federal authorities say they recovered $4.1 billion in health care fraud judgments last year, a record high which officials on Monday credited to new tools for cracking down on deceitful Medicare claims.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/health-care-fraud-judgment_n_1275320.html

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning, folks!

Nailingit, I couldn't help but laugh at your comment regarding the bodyguard song. Now there's something we truly agree upon, 100%. It's a good song but I'm tired of it being crammed down our throats. Kinda like the Hound Dog song in the 70's when another famous singer died. Also...as I've said before, I'll be coming and going like usual. You know I can't stay away totally from the group!

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Kn_dalai, I was just telling a friend of mine yesterday about a phone call we had made to Greece. The person we spoke to was telling us of the 6' snow drifts and the bitter cold weather. She had looked out the window where she'd thrown a few grains for the little birds and saw a young teen sneaking around with a shotgun. The kid shot about 6 of the small birds. The woman opened her doorway and asked the kid why he'd done such a thing. Redfaced, the teen grabbed three of the birds and took off running through the snow.

Kn...this teen's family is starving. He was trying to find whatever he could for food and THAT's something you don't see on the news.

goldenoldie — February 14, 2012 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- It is good to agree on something! I was watching the grammy awards with the wife (for me it's a 80% nails on a blackboard headache giving experience), but the end really kicked some serious butt. An eclectic group guitar players (to include Joe Walsh, The Boss and Mr. R&R; royalty himself, Sir Paul McCartney playing lead for a change) jammed to a portion of Abbey Road. It was truly a piece of Rock n' Roll Heaven!

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, it's all in good humor. And just to prove that...Happy Valentine's Day, Nailingit.

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie. Sad. I'm afraid they all have a long road ahead.

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You too my forum friend. Crap! I forgot it's Valentines day!

BTW thanks for not adding X's & O's!

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai...I think there's a long road ahead for everyone, not just in Greece, but yes...it is sad and I continue to hear of the troubles the people are facing...from a personal standpoint.

Nailingit, I missed the Grammy's this year. Sorry I missed Sir Paul McCartney's Abbey Road piece. Guess I'll have to see if there's anything on YouTube. BTW, I have actually agreed with your viewpoint on many an occasion...
:)

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Hearts to all today.

goldenoldie — February 14, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good Morning everyone, and a special Hi to you Goldenoldie.

Roger, Thursday and Friday from 6 to 9 pm, if you are interested, My old High School, Benson Polytechnic, is having their open house for everyone to come in and see what and how they teach. It has changed quite a bit over the years but they still have some good classes. Everybody is welcome to visit and it's totally free. I graduated in 1970 and enjoyed every minute of it. Also, because I went there, I got my family wage job that carried me through to retirement.

hawkeye — February 14, 2012 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ra·tion·al·ize
v.

1. To make rational.
2. To devise self-satisfying but false or inconsistent reasons for one's behavior, especially as an unconscious defense mechanism through which irrational acts or feelings are made to appear rational to oneself.

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- Thanks for sharing your epiphany!

goldenoldie- Thought you might be interested in this read...

**Monsanto Guilty: Paul Francois, French Farmer, Poisoned By Biotech Giant's Chemicals**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/monsanto-guilty-paul-francois_n_1274326.html

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nope. No epiphany. Just trying to help others.

Projection n.

In psychology:


a. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: "Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projectionof clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field" (Alex Shoumatoff).
b. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt.

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


BREAKING NEWS !!!! (just like Channel 6)

Speaker Newt Gingrich has unveiled his Faith Leaders Dream Team — rallying several fearless Christians including Don Wildmon, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, George Barna, JC Watts, Chuck Norris, Mat Staver and others as he takes on the the radical secularism of the Obama Administration.

The Gingrich Faith Leaders Coalition is Newt Gingrich's official advisory coalition on issues pertaining to life, marriage, and religious liberty.

***I'm so excited, Chuck Norris is going to kick butt again for CHURCH?***

hawkeye — February 14, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Monsanto's "business practices" are of a big concern to both folks that have an interest in hemp farming and psychoactive cannabis. I've a tendency to agree.

If you take a look you'll see that cotton requires quite a bit of both hebicide and pesticide. America uses a good chunk of those products sold, specifically for cotton. Hemp would put a big dent in the market. When I write "big dent," you know I'm saying big bunks, right?

With psycho-cannabis (heh!)it's Big Pharma that's the devil. GW Pharm. is currently in phase three trials with the FDA on a "drug" a person can grow in their backyard and process in their kitchen.

There are many that decry the cannabis seed industry. The claim is "feminized" seeds jeapardize the genetic diversity of the plant. Throw the Monsanto model in here and what have you got?

Try to grow corn with the corn you grew. It aint gonna happen.

I don't know about Goldie, Nail, but "Monsanto" *does* give *me* a tingle.

http://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context;=fac_pm

Drift — February 14, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Good* to see some of the old gang back together again. And good to know that despite some differences we all occasionally have, this is the place to have a diverse conversation.

Other places are good as well but this will always be home!

:-)

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — February 14, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Huh? Who said that?

hawkeye — February 14, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dat wascal wabbit ...Woo Who:)

vanwadreamer — February 14, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good day to you too, Hawkeye!

Hey...good to see you poking your head in the forum, Lou...almost as often as me now, huh!!!

Nailingit, thanks for the link on Monsanto. You're right. I am interested and the battle continues in order to show the world just what it is they are doing to us.

Another excellent website to gain information regarding Monsanto's works is this:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/organicbytes.cfm

Oh...and one more little tidbit for everyone who buys organic. You have to be careful in what you are purchasing in the freezer section. Sometimes they aren't exactly what they appear to be:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/bytes/ob266.htm#SEC1

goldenoldie — February 14, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift...those "tingles" are most likely a side effect from products affected by...well, you know. But yes...they make me sick (as well as everyone else). By the way, you can still grow corn which will reproduce but you must begin with heirloom seeds from a seed exchange organization which can easily be found through your preferred internet search engine. You most likely will not be able to reproduce seed from corn purchased in the packets in the stores. And chances are...any seed you reproduce from commercial stock will show characteristics of earlier types or will have stunted growth.

goldenoldie — February 14, 2012 at 4:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- Thanks for the eye opener. Monsanto seems to shove it to the public/private sector more ways than one. This consumer victory could snowball.

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie/Drift- Thanks for the links. This is one consumer that will pay attention to something I haven't been.

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Zell Miller. (b. 1932). Lifelong Democrat. Former govenor of Georgia. U. S. senator. Disgusted with the Democrat party. Gave a keynote speech to the REPUBLICAN National Convention in 2004.

[Republican National Convention][1]

[Republican National Convention][2]

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXSQ5B...
[2]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXSQ5B...

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


[continued][1]

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVryCh...

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- I had to weigh in on this one!

“I know what Dan Quayle means when he says it's best for children to have two parents. You bet it is! And it would be nice for them to have trust funds, too. We can't all be born rich and handsome and lucky. And that's why we have a Democratic Party. My family would still be isolated and destitute if we had not had F.D.R.'s Democratic brand of government. I made it because Franklin Delano Roosevelt energized this nation. I made it because Harry Truman fought for working families like mine. I made it because John Kennedy's rising tide lifted even our tiny boat. I made it because Lyndon Johnson showed America that people who were born poor didn't have to die poor. And I made it because a man with whom I served in the Georgia Senate, a man named Jimmy Carter, brought honesty and decency and integrity to public service.”

~Zell Miller~

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**'Russia Was On The Brink Of Biggest Catastrophe Since Chernobyl'**

MOSCOW, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Russia came close to nuclear disaster in late December when a blaze engulfed a nuclear-powered submarine carrying atomic weapons, a leading Russian magazine reported, contradicting official assurances that it was not armed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/russia-nuclear-disaster-submarine-fire_n_1276660.html

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit @4:29 pm

Glad to hear you've seen the light! Now if you really want to check something that will make you wonder about what you're eating, check out some of those labels on your food. A recent addition to commercially-prepared bread...Azodicarbonamide. Oooh, yummy!!! A wonderful synthetic chemical used to bleach our flour which is also used in conjunction with polymers and plastics. Doesn't it just make your mouth water??? Add to that the High Fructose Corn Syrup/corn sugar/glucose-fructose syrup along with MSG added to the bread along with your chemically-manufactured vitamin enhancers and we're talkin' about a great blend of...well......

Still...nothing beats homemade! (6 loaves in two days. That'll do it for the next couple of weeks in our home).

goldenoldie — February 14, 2012 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- Assuming you freeze your bread, do you have a method to keep it fresh?

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When all else fails...

"Somebody who wouldn't be good enough, who wouldn't be certified to pick tomatoes or clean bathrooms is sitting in the White House," Taitz told Gingrich, reportedly to a mixed reception from the largely Tea Party audience.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/newt-gingrich-orly-taitz-birther-question_n_1276444.html?ref=politics

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Joe Lieberman.

Lifelong Democrat. Democrat vice presidential candidate in 2000. Left the Democrat party.

The keynote speaker of the 2008 Republican National Convention.

The idea that Republicans are on the verge of collapse is laughable. Democrats have been split apart by this socialist thing for quite a while now.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG3G9l...][1]

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG3G9l...

kn_dalai — February 14, 2012 at 6:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I guess that Zell thing fell through...

Invoking Joe Lieberman as a center stone for Republican stability?

And Joe isn't even republican!

All righty then! :)))))

Take McCain while you're at it.

Combine all three and you have the "GET OFF MY LAWN!" Trio!

Oh man...the repubs are hurtin' sooooo bad!

nailingit — February 14, 2012 at 9:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Putting a spin on things just ain’t goin’ to cut it. The Zell Miller speech was rousing. And Joe Lieberman was a former Democrat vice presidential candidate. When’s the last time you heard of a Republican giving a keynote speech at a Democrat national cconvention? Hmmm? And while I’m at it, when’s the last time a Republican quit the Republican party to become a Democrat? I can think of quit a few Democrats who became Republicans. Including one who became President. You’ve got the Leftist university professors and the blue collar unionists forming a rag tag coalition of strange bedfellows. The anti-military/ socialists fractured the Democrats long ago. Leftists live in a state of denial, and I ain’t talking ‘bout Egypt.

kn_dalai — February 15, 2012 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Nailingit, sorry I didn't respond immediately to your question about the bread. Yes, we freeze what we don't eat right away...just as we would the commercially-prepared bread and it's just fine. Toasts well, slices well and freezes well.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — February 15, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.

Everyone except government officials.

kn_dalai — February 15, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie

I find that Zerohedge.com has the the most up to date info about the driving factors behind the problems in Greece. What amazed me is the fact that we have more spending on social programs as a percentage of GDP than they do. It is coming and will be very bad. At the rate Monsanta is buying up seed companies, the won't be any let soon. The can seriously overpay to eliminat competition, we soon will have no more heritage non GMO left.

Rightwing_Extremist — February 15, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Putting a spin on things just ain’t goin’ to cut it.*

An impassioned quote from the source is now considered "spin". :)

kn_d...think about your statement.

Again...

~My family would still be isolated and destitute if we had not had F.D.R.'s Democratic brand of government. I made it because Franklin Delano Roosevelt energized this nation.~

I don't think time has served Zell well, but what the hell.

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe he just had enough of leftist extremism. He sure didn't come accross as senile to me.

And ditto with Joe.

kn_dalai — February 15, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
I found this snipet from a quote from FDR:

"The millions who are in want will not stand by silently forever while the things to satisfy their needs are within easy reach. We need enthusiasm, imagination and the ability to face facts, even unpleasant ones, bravely. We need to correct, by drastic means if necessary, the faults in our economic system from which we now suffer. We need the courage of the young. Yours is not the task of making your way in the world, but the task of remaking the world which you will find before you. May every one of us be granted the courage, the faith and the vision to give the best that is in us to that remaking!"

It is too bad we don't have anyone currently running for president or the current president that had his ambitions and courage.

RWE: You are correct our current president is plunging our country deeper and deeper into class warefare and socialism... He touts programs that continue to add to the deficit without anyway of paying for them.. Lets just take from this agency to pay for this over there and it's just a viscous and Ludicrous circle.

vanwadreamer — February 15, 2012 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Lets face it, and throw the truth out there. If the leftist had their way the majority would be living in government housing, standing in government own and operated bread and soup lines."

If the righties had their way the majority would be living in government housing, standing in privately owned and operated for profit bread and soup lines.

mrd — February 15, 2012 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- Thanks for your reply. I should have been more specific. How does one keep the moisture from getting sucked out of bread during freezing?

vanwa- Great quote!

kn_d- *Maybe he just had enough of leftist extremism.* The word maybe speaks to many. Zell's motivation is a bit of an enigma on this. This Slate article seems to be pretty unbiased on the Zell thing. I followed it up countering Zell's point on racism.

A National Party No More makes it clear Miller sees today's Democrats as snooty elitists—and he resents them. "The biggest problem with the party leadership is that they know nothing about the modern South," he writes. "They still see it as a land of magnolias and mint juleps, with the pointy-headed KKK lurking in the background, waiting to burn a cross or lynch blacks and Jews."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/assessment/2004/08/zell_miller.html
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But this time, the legislators at risk are white men and women who have had the temerity to represent majority African-American districts, and Latino legislators who spoke up for their growing Hispanic population. In crossover districts, where whites and blacks have worked together for decades to build multi-racial voting coalitions, the new district maps devised by the Republican majority have slashed through those ties with speed and precision. If the maps proposed by the GOP in Georgia stand, nearly half of the white Democratic state representatives could be removed from office in one election cycle. Call it the "race card"—in reverse.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/09/19/how-southern-republicans-aim-to-make-white-democrats-extinct
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Doug Heye, the RNC’s communication director in 2010 tweeted: “Wonder why many minorities have problems with GOP? Hiring Obama impersonator to tell ‘black jokes’ at SRLC, for starters.”
UPDATE: RLC President Charlie Davis said that the Obama impersonator was “funny the first 10 or 15 minutes.” That’s when the racial jokes were told.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/18/248057/obama-impersonator-srlc/

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Apologies for the bold print. Not intended.

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Nailingit at 12:55 p.m...

Good question. I think it all depends on the type of freezer you are using. If it has automatic defrost, then chances are the moisture content could be stripped. If it's a manual defrost, there shouldn't be a problem. Also, temperature control with any freezer can cause issues with just about everything in that particular freezer. (Also, I recycle bread bags from commercially-prepared bread). In my family's case...it never lasts long enough in the freezer to ever have such a problem.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Rightwing @ 8:38 a.m.

Boy oh boy, I hope they don't consume the entire seed industry/FOOD industry, although they have just about already. Still, folks are going out of their way to produce the heirloom seeds through rather elaborate methods such as enclosed operations. As far as the homeowner who grows their own from seed and harvests their own seeds, I don't think Monsanto has grip on us, yet.
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CrazyTrain...you think they(Monsanto) already might be practicing production of Soylent Green already (ew!!!)??? Funny how movies like Soylent Green, Demolition Man and Idiocracy...along with a zillion other movies as well as television shows like Star Trek and All in the Family have been telling us what was in our future...which now is the present???

For anyone who thinks I'm stretching it...commercials that show those who are working out crave for those sport drinks promoted by football stars??? I refer to it as the Brawndo Effect (Idiocracy). On Star Trek, they had the telecommunicators...those little thinks we call cell phones today. And what about Lieutenant Ohura's ear piece??? Bluetooth in it's early stage??? And Demolition Man??? Outlawing of just about everything or you live in the sewers and cryo-freezing of humans. And what in the heck is the reasoning behind the three shells??? Then there's the theme song to All in the Family with my favorite two lines which I believe are worth their weight in platinum:

"Didn't need no welfare state, Everybody pulled his weight."

Yep, those were the days. BTW, we were going through a recession when this show was on the tube.

Anybody watch All in the Family on Monday night??? If you did, you would have heard the first words mentioned about what is being put in our food the television special Mike and Gloria had to watch.

No Joke.

All you have to do is sit back and watch a few episodes of our old time television shows and you'll hear the messages, folks.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- Thanks. That explains things! It'd be nice to stock up once in awhile, but when I attempt, water in the bag, the bread tastes like crap and resembles something my cat would hawk up. :)

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sure, nailingit. Glad I could help. I don't recommend keeping bread in the freezer longer than two weeks, though. After a while, it might have that "freezer burn" taste.

...something my cat would hawk up??? Now that painted an interesting picture!!!

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I see there's an article that just popped up about BPA and I've noticed something lately that I wanted to hear what others have to say. Last week, after the winds had died down, there was a report of power outages in Hazel Dell, Minnehaha and Camas and I think in the Battleground area. Over the weekend, I'd noticed two street lights on my road blinked out for about 5 minutes...two lights which had been recently replaced and never had any problems. Then yesterday, my daughter's power went out as did the rest of the neighborhood and the elementary school behind the Ross Complex.

My concerns are that we are facing the potential that these are rolling blackouts and brownouts. Does anybody in Columbianland have any information as to whether or not my concerns are correct??? I'd sure love to hear from the folks at Clark PUD about this one.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW, regarding the neighborhoods that had power outages...

There was no wind, ice or snow.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*No wonder Metallica gave him the boot!*

**Rick Santorum Endorsed By Megadeth Frontman Dave Mustaine**

Weighing in on the rest of the field, Mustaine called Newt Gingrich an “angry little man” and said Ron Paul will “make total sense for a while, and then he'll say something so way out that it negates everything else.” As for Mitt Romney, the rocker said, “I've got to tell you, I was floored the other day to see that Mitt Romney's five boys have a $100 million trust fund. Where does a guy make that much money? So there's some questions there.”
Still, Mustaine would pick any of the GOP candidates over President Barack Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/rick-santorum-megadeth_n_1279794.html

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,
we had a power outage of a few hours a couple weeks back on a Saturday. No winds, snow or ice. No explanation either and no word on the C about it. We were not the only ones also.
Maybe they want to raise rates????

luvithere — February 15, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hmm...

Luvithere, I'm thinking this isn't a manipulation of power to the masses. I seriously believe there's an issue of power drain in our region. If you consider the building explosion of the region over the past years...

You know me...I can be quite suspicious to entities putting on a facade that we NEED their "improvements" (like the CRC issue), but this time I am leaning more towards an energy issue, especially since we are connected to the Northwest power grid and possibly the national power grid.

sigh...All the more reason for everyone to consider energy conservation I guess. I just finished a solar energy calculation through Clark PUD's website to one of the listed companies and found I could save up to 50% of my current energy bill through photovoltaic solar cells. I was hoping for 100%, but I don't think that's a possibility during winter months. So my next step is re-evaluating our electrical appliances, including our water heater, clothes washer/dryer and refrigerator. Any place I can cut back my energy consumption...I'm going for it.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt Wastradowski, mind if I give a recommendation for another forum...possibly one which provides ideas for Energy Conservation?

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hm, possible. Not like we really have upgraded infrastructure in this country in the past few decades. Power grids are overloaded on a regular basis, maybe it is finally starting here? Definitely a possibility.

luvithere — February 15, 2012 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden, good to see you posting again

Golden and luvithere,

My son read an article about a week ago about how we have an over abundance of power here in the PNW that is why our rates have gone up....go figure.

Most power outages are caused by squirrels. We had a transformer catch on fire feet away from my house once, we were without power for hours til they replaced it. Never seen anything like it before...blue flames shooting about 20 ft straight up in the air!

ELISI — February 15, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


First it was Iowa. Now Maine. It appears the republican dirty tricks department has set their sights on their own. This is serious stuff. I watched a senior adviser for Ron Paul last night on Rachael Maddow's show. He eluded to what is unfolding. One more Huge red flag that the GOP is unraveling. Say it ain't so!!!

http://www.dailypaul.com/214233/watergate-voter-fraud-in-maine

http://www.fox19.com/story/16937227/reality-check-was-there-voter-fraud-in-maine

kn_d- *The idea that Republicans are on the verge of collapse is laughable.*

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110829204856AAKnJod

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 6:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks, ELISI. Normally I'd first think it was a resulting effect of those critters, but the street lights I believe are on a different grid from houses.

goldenoldie — February 15, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...and a resounding groan reverberated throughout the basement... :))

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...have they gotten ahold of Orley Taitz yet? :)

**Michele Bachmann: 'Dancing With The Stars' Rumors Untrue, Not Joining Show**

The conservative darling and two-term Congresswoman is the second former candidate for the Republican nomination to dash "Dancing" speculation. On Tuesday, a spokesperson for Herman Cain said that the Godfather's Pizza CEO and Pokemon enthusiast would not be competing on the show because he "can't dance in an eight-count. He can only dance in a nine-count," a quip that referenced Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan.

Bachmann and Cain's respective decisions to dance away from the "DWTS" spotlight come after mixed results for Republican contestants. Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Governor and GOP Vice Presidential Nominee Sarah Palin, came in third place in the competition in 2010, while former House Majority Leader Tom Delay quit the contest early during the fall 2009 season.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/michele-bachmann-dancing-with-the-stars_n_1279264.html?ref=politics&ir;=Politics

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden, the street lights here are all on the same grid, they are above ground in my area as are homes...but one street over is on another grid and is underground. Many times the homes and street light on the underground goes out more and stay off longer than those of us that have above ground lines. At least here in my neighborhood.

ELISI — February 15, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal



OMG, nailingit! Was that from the 70's? Did you see them together at the Rose Garden last year? Amazing. Carole King is pushing 70 and I swear, she is so youthful and energetic.

I had a talk with an old friend tonight about how ephemeral some musicians are. Blink and they are gone. But some endure, thankfully.

Thanks for a nostalgic end to a long day!

manthou — February 15, 2012 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal



manthou- *Did you see them together at the Rose Garden last year?*

Yes!! And it was one of the best shows ever! I love these guys. They are truly American icons, and their music has meant so much to me in my life. I went for all these years and never saw either one in concert. I saw them at the Rose Garden and it felt like a puzzle piece to my life fell into place. I'll be quiet because I could go on for hours about these two! I believe Carole and James are both immortal! If not, their music will surely live forever.

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't think we'll ever again experience a flood of fresh and soulful music like a decade brought. 65-75......man! From Arlo to Jimi to Elton and Janice and all in between...so special.

nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 10:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"I don't think we'll ever again experience a flood of fresh and soulful music like a decade brought. 65-75...." nailingit — February 15, 2012 at 10:45 p.m.

I guess it depends on what you want from your music. The 80's brought us Metal - Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, etc. Also one of the greatest hard Rock bands of all time - GnR. And other bands that started earlier - Rush, Judas Priest - finally hit the big time in the 80's. Every one of the bands I mention are going stronger than ever today (some may argue about Axl's version of GnR). (We have to hide it from the youngsters that these are old guys in their 50s and 60s putting out butt kicking music like they do.)

But don't leave Eric off your list! I prefer Cream, but his music after that time was pretty soulful, etc.

roger — February 16, 2012 at 5:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie, Elisi,

Is it possible the electrical problems are entirely equipment related? I can't recall any sort of outage here in the 5 Corners area in quite some time. Its been several months since I've had to go reset all the digital clocks (stove, DVD, coffeepot, microwave, etc.)

roger — February 16, 2012 at 5:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My wife watches DWTS faithfully, and I'll watch it with her a few times a season to hang and check out the action. (Some of the dancing outfits are manufique!)

Michele would have boosted the ratings no doubt! And Rick Santorum is made for this show.

I actually like the personalities of Bachman and Santorum. I find them personable and genuine to a degree. (a nice change from most politicians).

Maybe next season Michele! If you would trust Marcus being around Rick, he would make for great competition!

Till then all we can do is hope and dream. :)

Thank God some of her talent has been documented. She's a natural!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ4csY...

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Man Charged For Allegedly Cooking And Eating Cats: Jason Louis Wilmert Arrested In California**

Neighbors called sheriff's deputies when they heard cats wailing and screeching at the 36-year-old's house in the Bakersfield suburb of Oildale.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/man-eats-cats_n_1281496.html?ir=Crime

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger-*But don't leave Eric off your list! I prefer Cream, but his music after that time was pretty soulful, etc.*

Amen! He made incredible music before he went into rehab. After he cleaned up it was this "I shot the sheriff" crap. He has aged like a fine old world wine. I gotta say he is one incredible guitar player. His acoustic numbers are mind blowing.

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I'm on a posting video kick! I hope no one minds. Sometimes visual/audio stimulation brings things home somewhat.

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal



roger — February 16, 2012 at 5:30 a.m

Sure equipment failure is possible at any given time. I have to say that in the 32 yrs we have lived here we have never gone more than a few hrs without power. Unlike Ca when we lived there for 2 yrs, power was always going out.
I believe our grids/system is far better shape than those like in the eastern sea board or even Ca. Our Clark power company is first rate in response to outages.
What many do not know is they trim trees away from the lines each yr, through out the city.. they are constantly checking the lines for any updating that is needed. Maintenance is key to what keep machines running smoothly and Clark Public does a wonderful job at doing just that. One has to understand also that city power comes first, then the outline areas.
I'll take our power company any day over Oregon's, Ca or the eastern sea boards.

ELISI — February 16, 2012 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/fe...

Man, I do wish I had the legalese to take both the city and county to task for taking illegal action against their citizens.

The "collective gardens" as described in Washington law are **not** the same as those a person might visit in California.

A collective garden in this state is nothing more than several folks (with cannabis recommendations) pooling their resources and sharing the harvest. These gardens **are not** subject to licensing, registration nor zoning laws.

These government bodies are operating beyond their perview.

Drift — February 16, 2012 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm no economist, but it seems Romney's blasting Obama for the GM bailouts is way off. The guy accused Obama of "crony capitalism". This coming from a corporate raiding investment firm CEO, aka an equity group, so consider the source on this.

GM posted record profits 2 years after bankruptcy. Most of this turnaround can be attributed to the federal government's decision to buy into ownership. Mitt thinks private investors should have done the investing. Problem is Mitt, there were none. Had there been, the politically neutral thing to do would be to allow private money in, get government out.

The Treasury holds $25B in stocks (ownership). Mitt wants this stake to be sold off now. Had he bothered to look at the ticker, it's currently trading at about 50% of it's IPO. With that strategy, I'd question how wise that would be. With GM posting record profits and planning on considerable hiring this year, seems unlikely the share price is going to fall.

Mitt also dislikes union trust funds having holdings in GM. Isn't this real employee ownership? Seems having a profit sharing program would give line employees a desire to see GM profit. Their profit-sharing checks for 2011 averaged $7000, and that ain't chump change. That's about $3.50/hr. Works for me.

Romney doesn't strike me as much in the way of a leader that would attempt to pick up the economy from the bottom up, which is about the only way it's going to work. Instead, he's going to tell voters he is all for Main St and not Wall St, blah, blah, but will do the exact opposite.

mrd — February 16, 2012 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- I agree. These situations won't get resolved except at the Federal level. Obama's been conservative on this issue. It's most likely for the same reasons our State and local Gov won't lend support. They're afraid of losing votes/favor with their party for seeming "too radical", or too "liberal." On both sides of the aisle. This is a good example of State/local Gov left to their own devices. This shouldn't be an issue as it should be legalized at the Federal level. Both for recreational and medical use. Big Gov needs to get off the backs of the people they serve.

I know you're not political, but this is a politically laden issue. There is a train of thought that once Obama wins the White this year, he won't be as concerned about the political fallout for decriminalization.

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 12:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Newt's sugar daddy! What if you get a headache? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM6ifR...

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Drift- Even though the overwhelming majority of people support legalization, it's who go's to the polls and cast their ballots. 2008 taught us what people can do to effect change. Obama overwhelmingly won in 08' because it was a referendum on republican rule. Republican rule which decimated our economy, brought 2 wars to our doorstep, and was entrenched in corruption and depravity. {:())) (although most republicans will say it's because he's a smooth talker and a con artist. but hey, this is politics :)

ELECTION 2010
Rightward, March: The Midterm Exit Polls

Independent voters, a key to President Obama’s election two years ago, turned sharply to the G.O.P. Republicans also won more support than usual from reliably Democratic constituencies: less affluent and less educated voters, urbanites and voters from the nation’s East and West.

Voters under 30 were the only age group to support Democrats but made up just 11 percent of the electorate, typical for a midterm election. By contrast, voters aged 60 and older represented 34 percent of voters, their highest proportion in exit polls since 1982.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/weekinreview/07marsh.html

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Most of the turn a round at Gm was due to re negotiated contracts, shuttering several under performing factories, laying off thousands of workers. They were also able to write off several billion through bankruptcy... Did the bailout help? Yes but it was more about cleaning house and starting over with less overhead...
With the introduction of the Volt and being 100% financed by our government we should see more job creation there. This according to the UAW... The VOLT has been a total disaster resulting in several to its design flaws and overstated economy..
Wait till this Solyndra investigation hits full stride.. Can't wait to hear what the President does when he gets hissubpoena...

vanwadreamer — February 16, 2012 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*..the overwhelming majority of people support legalization,*

To clarify, with the exception of conservatives and republicans (according to the Gallup poll). Again the minority, but they vote with a vengeance! Great article btw with some revealing stats.

It has much to do with messaging. The average age of Fox News viewers is 65. The MSNBC and CNN audience average 8-10 years younger. But Fox kills in the ratings with it's extreme right wing conservative messaging. They skew the news with falsehoods and extreme politically slanted conservatism. They are constantly "reminding" their viewers, that they are the only news that's "fair and balanced", and vilify their competition warning the good ol' folks that "lame stream media" is socialistic/communistic garbage, while instilling the type of fear some get at being ripped off from a telemarketer if they watch any other station. Add Limbaugh, Forbes, Beck, etc., to the mix, to a people that are by and large elderly, conservative, and with many retired.

It works! 2010 brought us the worst congress in history. Hands down. Approval ratings, effectiveness, any productive category one can think of. And Fox news contributed immeasurably to this.

They have a huge following. Because you can't get the crap that Fox News serves up anywhere else.

A good slogan for extremist right wing seniors... *Collecting Government bennies, while demanding austerity for tomorrow's generation. The hope of yesterday, gone today.*

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yo, Nail, see "yellow jounalism, Randolph Hearst, et al." Same as it ever was, man.

Now, excuse me while I spit the hook and jump from the net. You -almost- had me in the 'politics boat.' Almost. HEH!

Drift — February 16, 2012 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


New Jersey Assembly Passes Gay Marriage Bill; Veto Promised

New Jersey’s Assembly voted 41 to 33 on Thursday to approve a gay marriage bill that could pave the way for New Jersey to join six other states where same-sex couples can today legally wed.

**To become law, the bill would have to be signed by Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican who has promised to veto the measure.**

*Who didn't see that one coming?*

hawkeye — February 16, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — February 16, 2012 at 2 p.m.

I can see where you might be upset about GM. I'm sure you would have been much happier if they would have totally shut down, laid off EVERYBODY and the company gone away.

Yea, that would have been so much better, thousands more on unenjoyment, more food stamps, more suicides, more crime, longer recovery. Sure, that would be great. Maybe they should have just dropped a bomb on Detroit. That would have fixed everything, huh?

hawkeye — February 16, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Now that is a SLANTED opinion....LOL The only thing that changed in the 2010 elections was the house gained more R than D.. The senate is still controlled by the D.. And we have a D president.... Why hasn't anything gotten done ...We all have our opinions

vanwadreamer — February 16, 2012 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk,
You are totally off base, Maybe read it again backwards....sorry.. I was merely stating how they became profitable. If I could wipe all my current debt off from my business.."Not pay my vendors" I would be in a much better position. And tell my staff I need to cut 2 of the 4 of you and reduce the other two pay by 30% ..Yeah I would be very profitable..Not several BILLION but very profitable...

vanwadreamer — February 16, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe I missed something, but didn't the SEC announce just a couple of weeks ago that they were going after the people who caused the housing crash by dealing in the subprime loan bond market?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/subprime-mortgage-_n_1282157.html?ref=business&ref;=business&icid;=maing-grid7|main5|dl13|sec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D136390

Sounds to me as if there's a buck to be made, nowadays you can pretty much get away with anything. And Martha Stewart went to prison for what?

roger — February 16, 2012 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As concerns resumed trading in subprime mortgages, however, there may be a silver lining. Hopefully this means the tanking of home values has pretty much stopped. The article doesn't indicate they're betting on failure.

roger — February 16, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, vanwadreamer & hawkeye,

Interesting conversation. I've also heard the Volt is garbage - compared to Ford's Fusion hybrid, anyhow. We'll see, I guess.

How long do we hold that $25 billion in stock? I'd think it great if we could eventually make a profit, but do we really want our gov't playing the stock market? And what kind of ethical issues exist with our Pres saying how wonderful GM, Solyndra, et.al., are? Does this somehow violate laws against using your position to influence the market?

roger — February 16, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry, vanwa, I guess I took the wrong slant on that one. I heard the Volt was a little crappy but it should get better with the new repairs. I hope so, they need it.

I don't know how Ford built their Fusion so I have no point of reference on that one.

I can't wait to see the new Tesla model X.

hawkeye — February 16, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't see where people get the idea that obama won by an overwhelming margin in 2008. Only the democrats believe this lie. In the electoral vote, yes, but the popular vote was very close. A couple of percentage points would have put McCain in as the popular vote winner. And for anybody having the willingness to look it up, Carter was president when the sub prime mortgages began. Why? Because the blacks thought they weren't getting a fair shake in home buying. So, Carter and congress screwed over the people who were qualified buyers to take care of the losers who shouldn't have owned homes. Clinton was at the helm when congress gave wallstreet the OK to do whatever they wanted to do to make a profit, even overturning laws that had been in effect for almost a hundred years. Of course you can't blame Clinton, he was more interested in who he could climb in bed with than in running the country. If you watched a "Sixty Minutes" show about this a couple of years ago, you would also know that nothing has been done to prevent it from happening again.

cranky — February 16, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cranky,

I seem to recall the problem back then for Blacks was that they tended to score lower on credit ratings than Whites, when income, etc, were identical. That credit ratings were based on "intangibles" and the deck was stacked.

The bigger problem with the subprime mortgages was people getting ARMs on homes that were much too expensive. That real estate agents, mortgage lenders, and the financial "experts" were all saying buy as much as you can cover, and then sell the house in a couple of years - before the higher rate kicked in. Everyone was going to get rich because houses were going up in value at least 9% per year during the 2000's - until late 2006, that is.

Race never entered this picture.

roger — February 16, 2012 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Because the blacks thought they weren't getting a fair shake...*

*...to take care of the losers who shouldn't have owned homes.*

Thanks for being open about your racial bias cranky. Most "losers" prefer to stay in the shadows.

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*The hypocrisy screaming from the right is deafening. Maybe that's why they can't hear themselves. I'm guessing Fox Skews won't report this.* Their paid piehole hucksterbee is nothing short of pathetic. He's starting a movement "we are all Catholic now". If that's the case, I can think of a few imaginative uses for rosary beads. This is nothing short of disgusting. Using the church for a meaningless movement motivated to line his pockets.

We need Jesus to start cracking the whip on these jerks.

**Before current birth-control fight, Republicans backed mandates**

Reporting from Washington— Since President Obama moved to require Catholic hospitals and universities to offer their employees contraceptive health benefits, Republicans have rushed to accuse the administration of an unprecedented attack on religious freedoms.

None has been more forceful than former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who accused Obama of "a direct violation of the 1st Amendment." But years before the current partisan firestorm, GOP lawmakers and governors around the country, including Huckabee, backed similar mandates.

//www.latimes.com/health/la-na-gop-contraceptives-20120216,0,3392996.story

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 9:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- *Now, excuse me while I spit the hook and jump from the net. You -almost- had me in the 'politics boat.' Almost. HEH!*

Hey, can't blame me for trying! I checked out your blog again and left a comment. See you at the signing!

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Complete address for 9:29 comment.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-gop-contraceptives-20120216,0,3392996.story

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal



One of Rick Perry's main squeezes. These people make Jeremiah Write look more than reasonable. These jokers are absolutely nuts and they power today's conservative movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yIgZP...

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Only time will tell if a brokered convention takes place and which candidate could emerge on top, but Palin told Bolling, “I cannot predict what will happen in the future, but I know that I have got the fire in my belly to try to help, to try to make a difference and if that involves running for public office at some point in the future, I’m game for that.”

~Sarah Palin~ TODAY

The gloves are coming off this election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VtF7Y...

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 10:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting perspective from CNN of the Religious right. It sets up what we have today to include Newt and Romney! From 2007...almost "prophetic"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxc50X...

nailingit — February 16, 2012 at 10:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Matt, would you guys please move the CRC forum up?

Well it's another day and I will go slogging across the I-5 bridge at about 6:45 am. I am still trying to figure out why it is that the drivers around here don't give plenty of space for people to merge. It would be far faster than tailgating the car ahead of you and it wouldn't make people have to stop to let them in. I have been honked at for doing that very thing. People, MERGE is not a french word for stop.

Another issue is the Oregon side of the road. People who are traveling south wait till the last possible moment to merge left. PLAN AHEAD stupid. Same goes when you stay in the left lane till the last moment and you have to slow down people at the Fremont bridge exit.

It was a sight yesterday afternoon when I saw a motorcycle cop pull over a single occupant vehicle in the carpool lane. She stopped partially in the lane and he gave her a ticket there instead of getting her to move off the freeway. Now how STUPID is that. I was headed north about 35 minutes later and the traffic was still affected by that idiot.

Capatcha 27 me 1

JohnCasey — February 17, 2012 at 4:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Responding to Nail @ 2/16 9:36.

I have the comments section set up so that I must approve a poster's first entry. You're in.

Yeah, see ya Saturday after this!

http://capndrift.wordpress.com/

Drift — February 17, 2012 at 6:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey — February 17, 2012 at 4:33 a.m.

I see the same idiotic "me-first-centric" driving habits on the I-205. What was it Pogo said? We have met the enemy and he is us?

roger — February 17, 2012 at 6:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk,
Back in the 30's, 40's and 50's and I suspect even today large manufatures of automobiles, yes automobiles, like Ford, Chevy, used to go after people who made parts for vehicles which improved them in one way or another. Sometimes these people never surfaced but there ideas became parts on vehicles. I hate to play the "Conspiracy thery card" here but I firmly believe the automakers have colluded in some way shape or form to prevent certian ideas coming to fruition... And now with the government fully involved by propping them up who knows what is really going on. I think it is 13 or 18 deaths directly attributted to the poor design of the VOLT> It's like another "PINTO" on the road...

vanwadreamer — February 17, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — February 17, 2012 at 9:39 a.m

Is there a common thread for the deaths or do you know? I haven't kept up on this car mostly because I don't think the technology is where it needs to be yet.

hawkeye — February 17, 2012 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — February 17, 2012 at 9:39 a.m

OK, I just did a search on the Volt and didn't find any deaths attributed to the car. Can you please tell me where you got your info?

As for the Big Three hiding ideas of inventors, it wouldn't surprise me that some may have been paid off and then their idea gets put on the shelf until later or to keep it away from other companies. I suspect that happens in other types of businesses as well. I can't say it's illegal or even a bad idea but it is part of doing business.

Like Steven Hyde used to say on "That 70s Show" , "they got a car that runs on WATER, man".

hawkeye — February 17, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Anecdotal hearsay to follow-

Back in around 74 I'd a buddy that was quite the gearhead. He would later join the Army, going from a Crew Chief to a chopper pilot. But that aint what I'm writing of...

Back in 74ish he came up with a carburator a person could bolt to a V-8 manifold and instantly get 50+ MPG. This isn't all that incredable, really. I recall my Pop telling me about stuff they'd do to get more ponies from their hotrods. Stuff as simple as putting a piece of door screen between the carburator and manifold. Better aspiration, dontcha know.

My buddy sold his carburator, and the rights, to a company for around 10K. To an oil company...

No, it was never marketed. Imagine that!

Drift — February 17, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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nailingit — February 17, 2012 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hope none were offended with my latest rant against conservatism. I do believe conservatism, at least today's brand xxx conservatism, i.e. video's posted, Santorum, Romney, Palin etc, is eating away at the heart of America. Pulling the very fabric apart that speaks to our freedoms our founding father's meant for us to have. Not that the old rich n' bloated slave owners were all that. But they brainstormed pretty well. It's too bad women were allowed to give input, and not just output. (so to speak :))))). Given the number of republican women in this congress, some want to keep it that way. The recent actions involving this "religious liberty" smoke screen is just sad.

Bringing Wisconsin GOP style politics to the Hill. They are more than embarrassing.

Man. I was getting into Johnny Winter's version of Stray Cat Blues from "Saints and Sinners". Given the lyrics, imagining the aging Johnny or M. Jagger singing the tune, it felt a little creepy! Those were the days...

Remember when high schools had smoking areas and no dress code? Although I wonder if some of the schools, at least my kids, have a dress code today.

nailingit — February 17, 2012 at 12:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*too bad women were allowed to give input,* Meant were **not** allowed

nailingit — February 17, 2012 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


the current Congress, by far the most inept I've seen, continues to avoid facing the reality of the US's severe economic plight.

While SS is on the road to nowhere, the payroll tax cut was extended. I could be wrong, but that menial cut hasn't seemed to fire up any economic engines. Why extend it? Unless destroying the program is the ultimate goal. It also seems foregoing fee reductions to doctors treating Medicare patients is going to put SS in the red sooner, also. Raise the cap instead? Nudge up the contrbution rate to Medicare? Inexplicably not even on the table.

The business tax cuts for R&D;, depreciation on new equipment among others was **not** extended, but because it "had strong bi-partisian support, it is likely to be revisited after the elections". Huh? With profit margins lowest in years, that tax cut could easily be the difference for many business decisions. But this Congress, spineless as well as worthless, just punted. It's February, and this bill is said to be the last substantial piece until after the elections. That's 9 months of nothing, probably resorting to the ol' hot button BS for the elections, then 2 months of nothing during the transition, then months to get something thru the next Congress. No sense of urgency for these clowns.

If the White House and Congress would get on the ball and on the same team, there might be some substantial progress on turning the US economy into the most vibrant in the world. But the focus seems to end at Wall St, something they all can agree on. But working for Main St seems to lead only to political catfights that go nowhere.

mrd — February 17, 2012 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal



John,

I couldn't move the forum up due to tech issues, so I created a new forum that's at the top of the forum's main page.

[You can find it here][1].

[1]: http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/fe...

Matt Wastradowski — February 17, 2012 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


from letters to the editor. It concerned providing health care benefits to women and children.

*Ms. Ivey, I would suggest that the parents look out for their children. If you as an adult chose to have children, with that comes some responsibility. I appreciate that the economic conditions present some difficulties. As a parent you have the privilege to raise a child as best as you see fit. That includes education, values, and yes health care No one said it would be easy*

easily said, but this personal responsibily theme, in this particular case, is whitewashing a larger issue. This philosophy ensures the poor will remain that way, and can be justified and written off as a lack of personal responsibilty.

mrd — February 17, 2012 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — Gov. Chris Christie has followed through on his promise to reject a bill allowing same-sex marriage in New Jersey by quickly vetoing the measure Friday and renewing his call for a ballot question to decide the issue.

The veto came a day after the state Assembly passed the bill. The state Senate had passed it on Monday. Christie, a Republican who opposes same-sex marriage, had vowed "very swift action" once the measure reached his desk.

***As advertised, the ugly head of Chris Cristie rises again.***

hawkeye — February 17, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Remember when high schools had smoking areas...? -- nailingit — February 17, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.

Second floor bathroom, with a lookout posted.

roger — February 17, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I noticed this article and picture about Michael Moore. I wonder why so many Leftists go around calling Rush Limbaugh a fat pig. Seems to me that Mike is less...photographic, than Rush.

[Mike][1]

I would guess that Rush Limbaugh is extremely wealthy. By various accounts, it would seem that Michael Moore is also a mega milloniare. I really don’t care.

Separately, here are some written comments of Mr. Moore’s of a few months ago. Does anyone else notice the problems with this. Lets take a look at this:

> I would first pay all my taxes. I told the guy who did my 1040 not to declare any deductions other than the mortgage and to pay the full federal, state and city tax rate. I proudly contributed nearly 1 million dollars for the privilege of being a citizen of this great country.
>
> Of the remaining $2 million, I decided to divide it up the way I once heard the folksinger/activist Harry Chapin tell me how he lived: "One for me, one for the other guy." So I took half the money -- $1 million -- and established a foundation to give it all away.
>
> The remaining million went like this: I paid off all my debts, paid off the debts of some friends and family members, bought my parents a new refrigerator, set up college funds for our nieces and nephews, helped rebuild a black church that had been burned down in Flint, gave out a thousand turkeys at Thanksgiving, bought filmmaking equipment to send to the Vietnamese (my own personal reparations for a country we had ravaged), annually bought 10,000 toys to give to Toys for Tots at Christmas, got myself a new American-made Honda, and took out a mortgage on an apartment above a Baby Gap in New York City.

[Mike 2][2]

FIRST OF ALL: Had it not been for the Reagan tax cuts, Moore would have paid at least an additional $1,000,000 in federal taxes. Of course, because of those tax cuts in the marginal tax rates, Mr. Moore can now espouse his generosity, due to R. Reagan letting Moore keep more of his own money. As he should well be able to do. The Kennedy tax cuts before that, saved Moore another million. Moore’s generousity was enabled by Reagan and Kennedy.

A guy who was making $98/week, hardly has any deductions to claim. What’s the big deal about not declaring any “ deductions other than mortgage” from someone who doesn’t have any other deductions to claim in the first place? . Moore is an absolute phony in this statement.

> What remained went into a simple, low-interest savings account. I made the decision that I would never buy a share of stock (I didn't understand the casino known as the New York Stock Exchange and I did not believe in investing in a system I did not agree with).

[Mike 2 ibid][3]

[1]: http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=704707&ocid;=ansent11
[2]: http://michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/life-among-1http://
[3]: http://michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/life-among-1

kn_dalai — February 17, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> “My work would create employment for others, good employment with middle class wages and full health benefits.”

"My work". Really, Michael Moore? What about the guys with the cameras and the sound thingys? Aren't they the ones who really make everything work.

Michael Moore: Capitalist in drag. In a state of denial. Phoney. May know something about f-stop exposures and how to shoot a scene, but otherwise, not much else.

kn_dalai — February 17, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


>Forget about above post. Thank you. Continued from 5:25 p.m.

And of course, he has gone to the American capital markets, for funding and distribution of his films, with companys like Lion’s Gate Entertainment, Miramax and Warner Brothers. And other wealthy private individuals.

> Finally, I believed the concept of making money off your money had created a greedy, lazy class who didn't produce any product, just misery and fear among the populace. They invented ways to buy out companies and then shut them down. They dreamed up schemes to play with people's pension funds as if it were their own money. They demanded companies keep posting record profits (which was accomplished by firing thousands and eliminating health benefits for those who remained). I made the decision that if I was going to earn a living, it would be done from my own sweat and ideas and creativity. I would produce something tangible, something others could own or be entertained by or learn from. My work would create employment for others, good employment with middle class wages and full health benefits.

[Mike ibid][1]

“My work would create employment for others, good employment with middle class wages and full health benefits.”

Michael Moore: Capitalist in drag. In a state of denial. Phoney. May know something about f-stop exposures and how to shoot a scene, but not much else.

[1]: http://michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/life-among-1

kn_dalai — February 17, 2012 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Who's Michael Moore?
Is he the Star Wars guy?
;^)

Drift — February 17, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I did most of my growing up in Vegas. My high school has an outdoor court in the center. Before school, between classes and lunch were acceptable smoking times. In middle school both the boys and girls :) bathrooms were usually smoked out. In grade school it was outside behind the maintenance shed or in the desert at lunch time.

Life was good!

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kn_d- Thanks for the Michael Moore link. I've never been on his sight before and found it interesting. Some of his tweets are pretty funny.

"Cavemen allowed to testify in front of Congress. Had to check clubs at door.
#metakewomanmakebaby." – Michael Moore (@MMFlint)

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hawkeye @ 3:10- I wonder what this Italian from Jersey has in his personal life to keep him from running. Not to stereo-type mind you, but he reminds me of a few people. To include Pussy from the Soprano's. (please don't censor Matt, that was his name) Maybe I should retract the-stereo type comment an...whoops! Too late.

Part of tweet in bold not intended.

nailingit — February 17, 2012 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Up early. Heading for the airport.

Press Talk today: I regularly compliment the hard working reporters and columnists at The Columbian. If it were not for this two-tiered level of commentary (I do not FB. Never will), they might get to read my kudos. I do email them, however.

Lou, I am going to send you an email when I get settled later today. Your advocacy for your profession is heartfelt and sincere and your staff merit every word. However, what can a regular citizen do when a young, eager reporter does not check their sources, chooses sides and writes lies about a person, all in the guise of investigative journalism? Where does "advocacy" journalism cross a line? It happens.

In the meantime, encourage your reportes to check my comment history when they are feeling unappreciated. :)

manthou — February 18, 2012 at 5:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I might add: Bloggers beware, too. Google Crystal Cox and what happened to her when she posted lies about a Lake Oswego attorney.

manthou — February 18, 2012 at 5:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, I agree!! If the commuters would just change a few of their driving habits I bet the stop and go would get up and git.

Some of the accidents are a direct result of trying to be first. That and the fact that some of the fools are STILL driving with their phones in their laps. Or on their ears!!

I propose that ODOT try a six month trial. Close the entrance to I-5 North from Hayden Island at three PM, and make them get on at the Marine Drive entrance. They may howl for a bit but I am willing to bet that you will see a dramatic increase of free flow traffic at the bridge.

To all the stupid drivers out there. And you know who you are. Plan ahead when driving so that you don't become THAT guy, or gal. If you know your exit is coming up in a mile or less move the hell over now, not when you can spit at it. Then you won't get the "you're number one with me" salute.

Here's a trick I learned from my trucker friends. When you see someone doing the last minute deal stay with them, don't let them in and make them miss their exit. I mean they didn't care about anyone but themselves, right??

If this sounds like I'm a bit mad, I am. I quit driving rush hour a few years ago and I'm doing it again for a little while. There may be more vehicles on the road but the fact is there are double the amount of idiots behind the wheel. You may take issue with that. It's OK. You just prove my assessment. You are the problem, not the solution!!

JohnCasey — February 18, 2012 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe I'm unable to detect it, but I've never noticed any bias by The C's reporters. Besides, they've got to be driven to report on things that are of interest to locals, because at the end of the day, they need to sell papers.

As for personal attacks on reporters, it seems that should be a moral victory for the reporters. If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.

mrd — February 18, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey — February 18, 2012 at 6:32 a.m

I'm right there with you, John. Your feelings are spot on. I do think there is one little problem with your idea about closing the on ramp at Hayden Island. That's the ONLY way off the Island, Northbound. Otherwise, you would have to go onto the freeway south and get off at Marine Drive and then get back on North there.

I think they could move the control room between the bridges and put in two lanes in the middle for thru traffic and make the right lane an on/off lane only.

hawkeye — February 18, 2012 at 9:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I take issue John and you won't find a more thoughtful and courteous driver than myself. People driving while using their cell phones has been a pet peeve with me like no other. Cops cruising around looking for the next free meal should be ticketing drivers for this.

Some are taking exits late because of uncertainty. Some are juggling kids. Some are thinking about what the doctor's visit will bring. I understand no one is perfect and always stress to my kids (who I'm teaching how to drive) to drive defensively is paramount. Expect the worse, drive your best.

When you react with flipping someone off (great example btw, why not increase road rage eh? You do this with your great grandkids in the car?) you can turn a nuisance into a volatile nightmare. It happens. Daily.

A message to your "trucker friends". Just because you are the biggest object on the road doesn't mean you own it. Your actions with regards to this not only impede traffic for countless cars, but make traffic less predictable and needless to say it's dangerous carrying out your "vendetta's". I would hope (and believe) most truckers have a better sense of responsibility.

*You may take issue with that. It's OK. You just prove my assessment. You are the problem, not the solution!!* Couldn't have said it better. Perhaps you should consider public transportation as you seem overwhelmed.

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I meant no offense John. I'm having my second cup of java now. :) I just strongly believe the irresponsible reactionary driving you're condoning is wrong.

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

I think what John was referring to is the driver who wants to fly down the left lane and then cut into a traffic lane at the last moment. I205 North at the 4th Plain/Van Mall exit, for example. Or my favorite - Airport Way getting onto I205 North. I won't let people in either. If you're paying attention to what's going on, you can tell when someone has made a mistake, and when they just don't want to wait with the rest of us. The latter get no break here. (Red Firebird with WA plates MGYVER, for example.)

roger — February 18, 2012 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I understand. It's the reactionary aspect I more than disagree with. To speed up in heavy traffic in order to impede someone else because this person doesn't fit ones standard of proper lane changing makes the problem worse times two. It could be as bad as times 9. Why it could make it 9 times as bad as 911.

In addition to inconsiderate drivers, some are just poor drivers that would have a hard time passing a driving test, and most likely did. Many are young and inexperienced, a lot are old with diminished driving skills that accompany their aging physiology.

When people get pissed off and react on the road, what good does it do? Add some 18 wheelers in the mix and we have a B movie. On the other hand...

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


NASCAR made an interesting decision - they're not going to allow the General Lee to drive a parade lap before their race in Phoenix on March 4. The reason is the Confederate flag on the roof of the car. Per NASCAR - The Confederate flag is a symbol of racism for some, a symbol of heritage for others. NASCAR said that the flag “is not something that should play an official role in our sport as we continue to reach out to new fans and make NASCAR more inclusive."

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2012-02-18/cooter-dukes-of-hazzard-general-lee-confederate-flag-nascar-southerners

And the reason I find this so interesting is that NASCAR's traditional (and primary) fan base is Bubba - the same guy who likes to have this flag plastered all over his pick up truck and who calls it a symbol of his heritage. And while I applaud their recognition of the negative symbolism this flag holds for many (and an attempt to educate Bubba of same?), can NASCAR survive this move? Who else, beside Bubba, can sit for hours watching a bunch of cars drive round and round and round... and call it entertainment?

roger — February 18, 2012 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

Well - If we're going to bring 911 into the conversation....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/911-memorial-concerns-nypd-suicide-risk_n_1284645.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl6|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D136693

And in some strange fashion, I suspect this supports your argument. But after crawling down Airport from 82nd Ave for a half hour plus to get on the freeway, MGYVER and anyone else who thinks they're cutting in front of me are sadly mistaken.

roger — February 18, 2012 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Although I have to admit I've been guilty of this more than once, and there's been a time or two.....
roger- You've no doubt spent time driving the autobahn. :) Good to be in the states isn't it? I miss the better travel time and driving as fast as I want that's for sure. I sure as hell don't miss the German/Euro drivers. Most are more than competent, but some are bent completely from hell, with death & destruction on their mind. I remember Stars & Stripes alluding to it, and base command warnings for travel. More than once I know I was targeted for road rage having USAREUR plates. The drivers over here? They ain't nothin'.

Playing games at 120 mph & up takes on a whole new meaning. Better to keep emotions saddled.

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

Yes, I traveled the bahn frequently doing my job. My favorite stretch was the A6 from K'town to Mannheim. I'd be doing about 100 mph in the fast lane, and have to hurry and move right due to someone blowing down the road so fast it seemed I was standing still. And the ones I thought truly insane were riding the high end BMW motorcycles - 160 mph plus on one of those has to be evidence of a death wish!

The deal was, everyone there was taught to drive the same way. (And they paid about $2000.00 for the mandatory course to get their license.) Accidents were actually very rare - though often fatal when they did occur - because of this. Unlike here, where $25.00 and 3 cracker jacks box tops will get anyone a license, and everyone makes the rules up as they go. (And I'm not claiming perfection - I'm a firm believer in following the speed limit on the streets, but that goes out the window on the freeways.)

The Germans I knew usually hated seeing our USAREUR tags in front of them. As a group, we tended to think everyone else should conform to our driving habits. But they disliked East Germans and Russians even more - at least some of us could drive by their rules - supposedly none of them could.

roger — February 18, 2012 at 1:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- {Germans} They seem to be the only collective who knowingly design their living conditions to exhalt the virtues of poor planning. (with the exception of the bahn, but that's outdoors and services everybody) But when it comes to everyday home living...

The average German height is about 8'. They design their basements with harder than steel door and entryways for about a 6' clearance. Ensuring a mild concussion/serious head injury for anyone 6' or above. (might explain my rational behavior :) Guaranteed head banging and frustration.

The average food consumption for a German is about 75,000 calories a day not to include beer. Times 75,000 by the number of calories in a good hefeweizen X how many brews the average German consumes a day, and the number begins to resemble in the trigintillions.

Yet the average size of a refrigerator resembles a large Coleman ice chest. The average stove can only accommodate about ten pounds of food, yet the average German household make-up is about 12 to 44 family members. Guaranteed head banging and frustration.

The average German being 8', yet the showers are designed to accommodate a remote pygmy pacific-asian population. Guaranteed head banging and frustration.

Germans are an active people and work off those brews bratz n' taters. Out walking, jogging and cycling in good numbers on any nice warm weather day, stopping only to smoke a pack of cigarettes between each bistro stop which provides more bratz n' beer. Yet health care costs only consumed 11% of their GDP in 2009. American head banging and frustration with that one.

They build family compounds, which compounds an already compounded problem. Guaranteed head banging and frustration.

Germans love conformity. Yet design every room in their home to host a sardonic array of light fixtures. Some resembling mid evil surgical instruments. Each fixture different and more backwardly complex and harder to service than the last. Again..guaranteed head banging and frustration.

Some things Germans/Euro's do right, and are much more forward thinking than us. A great transportation/train system to include the bahn/ "ICE". Beautiful well designed communities that are clean and unique. Events and traditions designed to reflect heritage and love of country. Environmentally aware, tolerant of others*(to a degree. Bush policies upped the level of hate for Americans, and provided some with newfound emotion!) but for the most part, Euro society by and large understands the basic needs of a pluralistic society.

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I would like to poll our members in Congress who are so..."concerned" about religious liberty and religious freedom. Would they feel the same about a Christian college? :)) Being targeted for being Christian?

Talk about a manufactured culture war consuming our freedoms!

**NYPD Monitored Muslim Students All Over Northeast**

In one report, an undercover officer describes accompanying 18 Muslim students from the City College of New York on a whitewater rafting trip in upstate New York on April 21, 2008. The officer noted the names of attendees who were officers of the Muslim Student Association.

"In addition to the regularly scheduled events (Rafting), the group prayed at least four times a day, and much of the conversation was spent discussing Islam and was religious in nature," the report says.

Praying five times a day is one of the core traditions of Islam.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/18/nypd-monitored-muslim-stu_0_n_1286647.html?

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


NEWARK, New Jersey (AP) — Whitney Houston's ex-husband, Bobby Brown, has briefly appeared at her funeral before leaving.

Brown arrived as the service began. He walked to the casket, touched it and walked to the back of the New Jersey church Saturday.

Brown says in a statement that he and his children were seated but asked repeatedly to move. Brown says he left because he didn't want to create a scene.

As he left, Brown appeared upset.

Houston died Feb. 11. A cause of death hasn't been determined.

Houston and Brown were married 15 years and have one daughter together. In 2003, police responding to a domestic violence call about Brown found Houston with a cut lip and bruised cheek. Their tumultuous relationship ended in 2007.

***However, he and his cocaine kept in close contact with her after their divorce. ***

hawkeye — February 18, 2012 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good grief, Nailingit-what HAVE you been eating/drinking today?
Your little summary of Germany was....well.. out there to say the least. Did you make all that up after consuming a few American made brats? You know, the ones masking as brats, filled with preservatives? Do you have ANY idea about Germany at all? Was this supposed to be fun? Humor? Enlighten me, please. The only thing somewhat near reality was the last paragraph. But let's also say - Easy to have great trains when the country is as small as the European countries are. One builds and plans differently when distances are small compared to here.

And: The Autobahn has speed limits. And they have the speed limits for many many years. So you were either over there, say, 25 years ago, consuming too much of the Weizenbier or you were not there and committing too much of said beer over here..
Die Amerikaner, meinen halt immer sie wissen alles. So richtig insular und besser wissernt. Aber auch bloss im eigenen Kopf.
No need to start a fight or battle here though. Much better to indulge in another beer all around. Prost!

luvithere — February 18, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey nail, I'm not sure but I think luv just said something bad at you. My German is really rusty (more like non-existent) but I think luv called you a whoosie, or something like that. LOL

hawkeye — February 18, 2012 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- LOL! Why I believe she categorized me as an arschlock! And perhaps a little deserved. The write was in a humorous vein and I thought that aspect was a given. I thought most figured Germans aren't really 8' tall, consume 75,000 cals a day, and smoke 18 cartons of cigarettes every two days. Because if you do the math, by how many stops German's make between bistro's, X the number of bistro's smoked at additionally, X the num......:)

*Good grief, Nailingit-what HAVE you been eating/drinking today?*

Leftover meatloaf, greens and an avacado/coffee and bottled water.

*Did you make all that up after consuming a few American made brats?*

Nope. Please review above response.

*Do you have ANY idea about Germany at all?*

Yes. I believe it borders The Netherlands.

*Was this supposed to be fun?*

Not as much fun as riding in an elevator packed with Germans on a hot summer's day! WHEW!

*Humor?*

Bingo!

*Enlighten me, please.*

I try luv, I try!

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere,

The only speed limits I saw on the autobahns were around cities (e.g., where A8 goes on the south side of Stuttgart), speed limits for trucks, and low end limits. This was 1997 to 2001. The B routes had speed limits.

Nailingit,

You left out the mandatory bier break at lunch time. But don't dare try to point out the Safety concerns over construction workers following their lunchtime liter of bier with going back on top of buildings a few stories up there. The time I did so, the Colonel I worked for suggested I go find something else to do and to quit bothering him.

Germans demanded, and got, quality. Their dishwashers actually cleaned your dishes. With the crap we have here, you pretty much have to wash the dishes before putting them in the washer. Their kitchen knives stayed sharp. A lot of GIs drove 20 year old Volvos that were still going strong.

Oh, and if you lived off post you could have the beer delivery man drop by - just like the milkman used to do here.

roger — February 18, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luv- No offense meant. It was totally in a humorous vein.

Germany was my home for 7 years. Recently. From 02'-09'. I lived in a few farmland rural areas as well as a couple of good sized cities and made many German acquaintances and friends. What you say isn't "near reality", is what many Americans and some eclectic Germans find to be humorous.

Hey. If some good natured trashing of German society gets you out and posting luv, I'll do it more often! Nice to see you.

I have also found most Germans feel a need to be taken seriously, and lack an appreciation for self-deprecating humor. :)))))...sorry luv! I can't help myself! :)

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit,

And seeing as how you mention the Netherlands, is it safe to say you've been to Trier? They made some of the best white wines in the world there in the Moselle River valley, yet the Germans had festivals on the cobblestones there where they drank that cheap green stuff while organ grinders with their "tame" monkeys ran around extorting DMs from the crowd.

Oh, and the only edible food in the entire country was at the Schutzenhaus. I'm pretty sure every town had one. The schnitzel with the brown gravy. But don't bother with the nasty curly fries.

roger — February 18, 2012 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*You left out the mandatory bier break at lunch time. But don't dare try to point out the Safety concerns over construction workers following their lunchtime liter of bier with going back on top of buildings a few stories up there.*

roger- And we both failed to mention the amount of lunchtime taken. Or should I refer to it as a duration of time involved that only a German supervisor and time keeper can make sense of. :)

Yeah. Great appliances knives and cars. Great beer! The bahn and most roads are well maintained. Relatively speaking, a stones throw from both LegoLand AND Dachau!

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit and Luvithere,

Actually, I tried to retire and stay in Germany as a DA Civilian. But Gen Miegs took over USAEUR and decided to enforce the 5 year rule, so I returned here instead. I lived in the Mannheim area - loved every minute of my time there. Germans may be somewhat, shall we say reserved, but they're really nice, fun loving people once you get to know them. (Except for the crowd outside Munchen - some of the most antisocial people I've ever met live down there.)

I used to catch the rickety old train that ran from Nurnberg to Vilsek - the one the working class people rode. Once they found out I was an American, they all felt obligated to get me drunk and be my best friends.

And I did actually find a place where I could get a good steak - in a little town where the Benz Museum was that I forget the name of - on the Rhine near Heidelberg. The restaurant was named the Kartoffel - you cooked your own steak on a stone slab. I gather they thought I was a barbarian, eating my medium rare steak. Near as I can tell, the Germans all prefer well done - shoe leather consistency.

But I did miss out on one bit of the local culture. The local swimming pools had "adult" hours - and the women ran around topless. My wife declared this off limits for me, but figured it was OK for our teen son to go with his friends. And of course the young SOB took pleasure in rubbing that in every chance he got.

roger — February 18, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hmmm... We're actually getting our numbers back up. They dropped off quite a bit when Frobert and Sir Basil decided to break from their never ending debate. I wonder where they went? I almost miss being told I need to provide references!

roger — February 18, 2012 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger, isn't the Benz museum in Stuttgart? I'd really like to go.

hawkeye — February 18, 2012 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not Trier, but it was a discussed destination a few times. But in and about and all around to include Belgium (Duvel best beer on planet Earth) to Munich to Frankfurt to Garmisch.. We traveled East and NE somewhat but never as far as Berlin which I regret. We spent the last few years in Bavaria.

My trips to the Netherlands usually involved Amsterdam. I felt I was robbing myself if I didn't go at least 4 times a year. I love that place. So rich in history and culture. I'd always make it a point to hit the Rijksmuseum while there, and stay in the Dam for at least a few days. I could spend six or seven hours a trip in the Rijk's and walk away visually exhausted, knowing there is so much left to see and experience. I was privileged to view Rembrandt's 'Nightwatch' before it was removed for restoration. I couldn't take my eyes off it for about half an hour. It's one thing to look at pics of great works, another story altogether to view them. I feel very fortunate and appreciative of that, and still kick myself in the ass for not making the trip to see the Louvre. The Rembrandt House and Van Gogh museum are close by also. Everything from Van Gogh to Picasso to Monet, I succumbed many times and fell under the influence of these great artists.

Or was it the place down the street? I can't remember :)

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye,

That's the Mercedes Benz Museum in Stuttgart. I never went there. The place I was referring to is in a little town called Ladenburg. I guess they have the first car made by Benz. And maybe it was the first factory too.

http://www.automuseum-ladenburg.de/

roger — February 18, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Not to leave out the Anne Frank house. Without it's existence to serve as a reminder of those horrific atrocities that took place not very long ago, those of us just traveling through would most likely not reflect. Especially in Amsterdam. There's so many uplifting positive experiences to partake in!

Perhaps the most memorable visit I've ever paid to anywhere in my life (outside of angeles city P I, ({;-()) was a day spent at the Dachau death camp. To the degree that I'm able, I understand the Jews strong advocation for restoring these places of horror. What men and women are capable of must never be forgotten or misunderstood. And what multitudes turned a blind/sympathetic/evil eye to must never be repeated. this "camp" is and was part of a german community.

According to Sybille Steinbacher, who wrote a book entitled "Dachau: The Town and the Concentration Camp," the US Army commandant of the town after the liberation spoke angrily to the 30 Dachauers on the day that they were brought to see the camp. He told them, "As punishment for the brutality that the town tolerated next door to it, it should be sacked and turned into ashes!"

The town priest, Father Friedrich Pfanzelt, who was among the visitors, pleaded with the Americans not to destroy the town. In a series of articles in 1981, a Dachau newspaper named the Dachauer Nachrichten wrote about how the priest saved the town: "On his knees, the prelate pleaded for mercy for Dachau."

According to Peter Wyden, author of "The Hitler Virus," 90 percent of the residents of Dachau were Catholic. Regarding Father Pfanzelt, Wyden wrote: "Then, from the pulpit of his St. Jacob's Church three days later, the priest set in motion Dachau's great trauma, the protestation of innocence, the denial of guilt that would never leave the community."

Of all people, Father Pfanzelt should have been aware of the atrocities committed inside the Dachau concentration camp. According to Wyden, "For years the SS had extended him the privilege of conducting Sunday services in the KZ. And he had reciprocated with many ingratiating letters (which Steinbacher found) and had taken pride in his cordial relations with most of the camp commandants."

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachauscrapbook/dachauliberation/aftermath03.html

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 10:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Good morning, Guys. I was not giving the single digit salute. I was referring to those I see doing it daily. Also I was referring to the idiots who come down on the right lane and cut in at the last possible moment. And the ones who come roaring down in the fast lane and cut in for their exit.

I do not get road rage. At my age my heart may not stand up to the abuse. I have had a CDL and have driven almost any kind of vehicle out there. I learned to drive in the dead of winter in Montana. In the Rockies.

I have taught my kids and grand kids to drive and to be focused while doing it. Next year I'll be teaching my great grand child to drive. I must be doing something right. My children trust their dad well enough to teach their children.

If some of you think truckers are just like us, try cutting one off. You may win. Or you may lose. They weigh in excess of 80,000 pounds. Why one would not give them the room to move is beyond me. But I see it every day.

One more thing. And this is very important, so listen up. If you get behind the wheel of a car then it IS your responsibility to think of driving and pay attention. If you have distractions such as thinking about something else or your kids are making a ruckus in their seats the for heaven sakes pull over and handle it. Do not drive distracted as my life on the road is just as important as yours and you are no better than anyone else out there.

Remember, driving is a privilege NOT your God given right. The very moment you think otherwise you become that idiot I spoke of.

JohnCasey — February 19, 2012 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning Nail et al,
naturally, I did not call you a bad name last night in German. Not even remotely close, mein Freund! It was a general observation about Americans and what people "over there" often think about them. Right or wrong, I just thought I throw some generalities your way also. It was fun to do so.
Glad to see that it invoked a number of postings in return though and allowed you all to exchange some fond memories of your time so wisely spent in pursuit of high culture - such as Schnitzel and bier! Offered in abundance over there.

Here's a piece of trivia. Did you know that beer consumption has dropped dramatically over there? That the national drink in terms of total volume consumed is now Apfel Schorle? That's a mix of apple juice and sweetened sparkly water. Quite refreshing. But it does not lead to that heightened state of well being and good will that usually follows the same consumption in volume of bier. Mein Gott-the Germans are sobering up.
One HUGE difference,all kidding aside,what always amazes me is the fact when I go back is that Germans actually have time to enjoy life. Yep, lunch might be somewhat long, but work gets done. And weekends? Actually time to relax instead of running around and getting errands done, etc. I just cannot figure out how they do it. Has nothing to do with the 6 weeks vacation they typically get at work (listening to them, it is pretty much a god-given right and should be increased). But I wish life would be a bit slower over here and mirror theirs in that respect. I believe the rest of Western Europe is the same. It's just us constantly on the go. Any of you noticed the same?

luvithere — February 19, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


johncasey- Thanks for your post and clarification. I hope this generation is as focused and passionate about responsible driving as you are. I think some get behind the wheel and give little thought to others/consequences. I'm sure many that post here have lost a friend or family member to a drunk/reckless/inattentive driver. The worse drivers are most likely those whose family members let them learn on their own, and wouldn't take the time to teach those they care about.

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 8:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Mein Gott-the Germans are sobering up.* Say it ain't so!

Good morning luv. We could learn much in the way of taking a breath and appreciating life. I found the Germans to be a fun loving and thoughtful people (kind of like you!) once you get to know them, and more importantly, once they get to know you. Please post more luv, international input and flavor is always appreciated. Didn't mean to ramble on too much. Some things you miss when you no longer have them. I'm glad I was old enough to embrace my 'Europe moment' in life and appreciate it for what it was.

*And weekends? Actually time to relax instead of running around and getting errands done, etc.*

Especially on Sunday's. Cause if you start up your lawn mower or power tools, someone will call the Polize! :))

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — February 19, 2012 at 6:50 a.m.,
Thanks for the info. I wonder who Rep. Lamar Smith thinks is going to enforce this law?

nailingit — February 18, 2012 at 8:06 p.m.,
"My trips to the Netherlands usually involved Amsterdam. I felt I was robbing myself if I didn't go at least 4 times a year. I love that place."
Uh - Time to start looking over the shoulder every time one of Vancouver's Finest drives past!

roger — February 19, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd @ 8:59 yesterday morning: My reference to the biased report with serious and harmful factual errors was not in The Columbian. My foggy morning brain left that out.

In the internet age, print and video journalism lives forever and catches a world-wide audience. Therefore, if lies are printed, the consequences are even more severe and lasting to the victim. There are journalistic ethical guidelines that I see being ignored in some newspapers.

Specifically, I am concerned about reporters who choose sides on an issue and withhold information they were given from reliable sources that might weaken that slant. Or reporters who become over involved in a source or topic, losing objectivity.

When spinning a good story becomes more important than exposing the truth, the damages run deep to public trust and personal lives.

I just don't know what steps should be taken when a person is the victim of such a story. Do they contact the reporter? The editor? Is there an obligation to make an attempt to correct the factual errors? Sometimes the damage is so deep that it may be impossible to repair.

Maybe Matt or Lou could weigh in on this.

manthou — February 19, 2012 at 9:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Geez - If we're going to continue with Germany....

Anyone else get into going to the swap meets? My favorites were in Homburg Saarland and in Njimegen. There was also one east of Hanau (to Aschaffenburg and then south to a schloss that I forget the name of) that was often worth the drive.

Junking? The first time I was told about this, my response was "You want me to pick through someone else's trash?" How wrong!! My wife and a couple of other ladies ran what was probably the most profitable military post thrift shop in Germany selling crap they drug in from junking - tens of thousands of $$$ for whatever the womens' guild spent it on!

Real brown bread and Danish butter.

The Silent Night festival in Oberndorf - an extremely special event that even non-Christians like me could appreciate.

roger — February 19, 2012 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- Another favorite stop in Nederland was Maastricht. It's a shorter drive from Germany and is rich in history, culture and tolerance. Until the heavy hand of Holland hypocrisy dropped, and discrimination came to the forefront. Holland's (a lot of Europe's) distaste for Americans is always there. It's hard to converse with any European that doesn't mention their distaste for Bush and his policies. I mean within 10 seconds of discussion. Maastricht is a big college town whose population is very mixed. French, Dutch, Belgiummites and Germans seem to be fairly equally numbered, and you'll hear French spoken as much as as Dutch or German. **This short-sighted repressive policy started there.** The last time I visited Maastricht ( I think around 05-06, many coffee shops were requiring not only picture ID at the door, but to enter you had to have your pic taken along with ID pic/personal info.

The court said that Maastricht was right to view drug tourism as "a genuine and sufficiently serious threat to public order", and thus the restriction of foreigners from coffee shops "constitutes a measure necessary to protect the residents of the municipality from trouble".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/16/maastricht-marijuana-tourism-eu

More insanity from the right. They want to jail everybody! I'll be quiet. Someone might hear....:)

*roger- Drift — February 19, 2012 at 6:50 a.m., Thanks for the info. I wonder who Rep. Lamar Smith thinks is going to enforce this law?*

They'll get the ones that stay up all night listening to police scanners! Active citizenship!

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — February 19, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.,
"Specifically, I am concerned about reporters who choose sides on an issue and withhold information they were given from reliable sources that might weaken that slant. Or reporters who become over involved in a source or topic, losing objectivity."

Several people are discussing this on Lou's Press Talk this week.

roger — February 19, 2012 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


rorger @ - I lived in Hanau for awhile! Our favorite "junking" was in Tongeren, Belgium. A stones throw from Maastricht. Everything under the sun and then some. If you couldn't find it there it didn't exist!

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 9:21 am: Wish I could join in, too. I am FB-avoidant. :)

manthou — February 19, 2012 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey, I, like you, still have my CDL and to date this, when I got it it was called a "chauffeur's license". I have spent around 350,000 miles behind the wheel of a big rig and probably 200,000 behind the wheel of a tow truck, all sizes. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that 90% of car/truck accidents happen from exactly what you described, cars cutting trucks off, cars thinking they have the right of way and just driving too darn close. As a rule, truck drivers just want to get their load from point a to point b without any trouble so the more room you give them, the better they will like you.

hawkeye — February 19, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger, have you noticed that "our candidate" is posting on that story?

hawkeye — February 19, 2012 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I dropped my CDL 25-year-ago when I moved up here. I used to deliver cement block with a ten-wheeler and pull a set of belly dumps.

I can't tell you the number of times I had some doink pull out in front of me. Those heavy vehicles don't stop fast. They can't. Mass x velocity or 'sumat. If I hadn't had a place to go, to point the truck, I'm quite certain I'd have killed someone, more than once.

Suicide by tractor?

The majority of my out of country time was in the Mediterranean; Italy, Spain, Egypt, what used to be Yugoslavia -- compliments of the USN. ;^)

Drift — February 19, 2012 at 11:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


There is always news to cause one to think outside the box. This border thing. It just hadn't crossed my mind that Gay Male Republican Conservative law enforcement are exploiting Mexican Gay Male nationals, in order to pursue homosexual relationships. Makes you wonder about cops in the states. No it doesn't. No doubt it's 11 times 911 X 714.

Go figure.

**Paul Babeu Says He's Gay After Misconduct Claims**

Babeu, a first-term sheriff who has gained widespread attention with his strong opposition to illegal immigration and smuggling, said the accusations were an attempt to hurt his political career.

He denied claims he tried to threaten the man, a Mexican immigrant and a former campaign volunteer, with deportation if their past relationship was made public.

The New Times posted a photo provided by the man of the two embracing. It also posted a cellphone self-portrait of a smiling Babeu in his underwear and another of what appears to be the shirtless sheriff in a bathroom, posted on a gay dating website. The man provided the magazine with photos of himself and Babeu and text messages between the two. Babeu didn't deny their authenticity.

The huge congressional district where Babeu is seeking election runs from western Arizona all the way to the desert south of Phoenix. Its voters are heavily Republican and generally very conservative.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/19/paul-babeu-says-hes-gay-a_n_1287515.html

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Man, I've been waiting for a "flash-back" for thirty years. There was a time I felt about half P.O.'d it hadn't happened. I mean, I thought it was supposed to be the dope that kept on giving...

Snork.

Drift — February 19, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- Remember the big scare about LSD causing birth defects? I've always thought the best way to approach the drug issue, especially with kids, is with the truth. And nothing but the truth in order to provide a solid factual knowledge base for them to draw from.

Just the facts.

And they say Obama won't listen to anyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQv4wE...

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Jack has always been my hero.

hawkeye — February 19, 2012 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The baby drowned because they smoked pot. Joe and Bill said so.

And we STILL haven't learned.

roger — February 19, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I looked for that episode and couldn't find it. If there's one episode I remember the best, that's it. The horror. Gazing upon one dead Chatty Kathy. Floating face down in the marijuana induced watery grave, water drawn by those, in whom she trusted and loved. Then her parents realization that her string had been pulled for the last time...it was almost too much and should have been rated.

I had forgotten how popular sucking paint had become! This is kinda like a creepier, conservative Goldfinger. But with a better ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zgIz...

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 2:17- A national treasure!

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger, have you noticed that "our candidate" is posting on that story? -- hawkeye — February 19, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.

You mean Kim Kendall? I don't know the history - just that he seems to be pretty negative about everything. We can do that!! I prefer my politicians to stand for something positive. (That I can agree with, of course.)

roger — February 19, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, Kim (M/F?) Kendall. He/it "ran" against Jamie. Not really but tried to convince everyone he/it was. It was like logic going amok trying to reason with it. It posted here for a few months before the election then disappeared.

hawkeye — February 19, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kim Kendall has to be "fiscaltiger". That bigoted rascally chap who used to needle and pester goldenoldie. Back when this newspaper thought those that wished to retain anonymity deserved to have an equal voice when commenting on current events. Way back when... a major national political story wouldn't ride the headline carousel for fear it would draw too much raw honest debate, and bloody those whose pockets and influence run deep in our community.

Hey...just trying to draw Lou out of his office to say hey.

Hey.

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 10:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh. I recall discussions between fiscal- and fiscol-, and one kept making all those wild statements like he was Goldie's acolyte or something. Anyhow, for someone who wants to be, or pretends to be, a political candidate, he isn't too convincing, is he?

Whatever.

roger — February 19, 2012 at 10:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Anyhow, for someone who wants to be, or pretends to be, a political candidate, he isn't too convincing, is he?*

No he's not roger. There has been calls for me to renew my candidacy for President of the United States of America.

I couldn't agree more with your observation. I figure it's all about messaging.

Obama's got the class disparity 99% thing locked up...

Romney's got the class warfare deal going...

Santorum has locked up the we will control the human race message...

and Gingrich is shooting for the moon.

Doesn't leave a lot of room for another voice.........so why have one?!

---My declaration---

A **U**nified **S**tate of **A**merica, **U**nited **S**olely for **A**nonymity, **U**niformly **S**tating **A**nonymously.**

USA X 3. USA X 3 X the number of words = 36 Absent current 3, 3 X 3 usage sustained by inverting 6 to 9. Final analysis and title for plan to save America.

the 9-9-9-9 plan.

nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 11:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal



@ 11:54- divisible by 4/

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