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**The Psychometer: Who Went Too Far Last Week?**

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Social engineering at its finest.

Saw on CBS News this A.M. that Archie (the comic) had a gay marriage. Black male doctor marries white male Iraqi war wounded Veteran. (Geez - have they left anything out?)

Doesn't the AMA have ethical standards that bar doctor-patient relationships? Or do they expect us to believe the relationship was purely professional until after war Vet was DC'd from the hospital?

I believe War Vet is in violation of the Law of The Land. The latest changes allow homosexual relationships, but doesn't DOMA ban gay marriage? If so, does War Vet get a Chapter D/C from the military?

Is there a pre-nup? Or will we see a follow on issue where wounded Vet says Doc took advantage of his situation, and he sues for everything?

I don't care about gay marriage - meaning, if that's your choice, it isn't any of my business. But I can't sit by and let silliness like this pass unnoted. Not without generating a little of my own.

roger — January 30, 2012 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**'Tea Party 10' Targeted In Multimillion Dollar Campaign By Liberal Super PAC**

"We're going to empower local activists to organize their friends and neighbors to lay out the truth about their representatives in the most basic terms," Arnold added. "They are anti-woman. They are anti-science. They are hypocritical, bigoted, and have said and done things that are downright crazy. They've done more to embarrass their constituents then they have to govern or work toward solutions. **They are unfit for Congress, and we're going to help their constituents hold them accountable.**"

The first six lawmakers targeted by the group are Reps. Sean Duffy (R-Wis.), Steve King (R-Iowa), Allen West (R-Fla), Joe Walsh (R-Ill.), Frank Guinta (R-N.H.), and Chip Cravaack (R-Minn.). Four more will be chosen by CREDO's members.

Although super PACs can take unlimited donations, the group is boasting that, with 11,000 donors, it is much more a grassroots organization.

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This guy sums up the newt's southern strategy perfectly--

*One of my students shared this parable: A rich white man sits with a poor white man and poor black man at a table laden with cookies. The rich white man snatches all the cookies but one, then turns to the poor white man and says, “Watch out for that darky. I think he wants to take your cookie.”*

the overall republican strategy is to substitute the poor white guy with a middle-class guy and the poor black guy with any poor guy.

mrd — January 30, 2012 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — January 30, 2012 at 7:35 a.m

If you were the "middle class guy" in that situation, what would you do?

hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

If I was the middle class guy here is what I would do:

I would ask the Rich white Democrat for several of those cookies telling him that I could use Obama's socialistic theory that I could brake those other cookies into many pieces and be able to feed many of the 99% that are less fortunate..

vanwadreamer — January 30, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- If you were the "middle class guy" in that situation, what would you do?

Pardon me for butting in guys. But I'd grab the rich white man's scruffy neck and make him put the cookies back. In the interest of fair mindedness, I'd assess a 50 future cookie penalty for theft, and charge him a 25 cookie surtax on the space he's occupying.

Then I'd sentence him to listen to Michael Jackson music for a week. If he's still sane after that, I'd put him on a Oreo Cookie factory line for a year.

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — January 30, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.

Wow, put your cranky pants on this morning?

I don't recall the story saying what party the man was or anything about the President. You made that part up, didn't you....

hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Yo Matt, don't know what you did but today the FB comments worked for me. I was able to see all of the "see # more" while in the chronological order, of course I didn't try the social ranking order so maybe they stopped working there (g). Well done to you and your techs, Thanks.

On another note do you know how hard it is to type an "a" with an acute accent? Let's see if a simple copy/paste will work: "á" okay that worked up here now let's try it in the captcha box. Well it seems to work but I haven't pressed post yet, wish me luck.

dfsadfh — January 30, 2012 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

the middle class guy is between a rock and a hard place, the best move is to convince Mr. Rich to leave two cookies.

the bigger picture seems to be the farther down the ladder you are, the less clout you have to change the system so that such inequities don't occur. Big money gets what it wants-generally-so the table was tilted toward the rich guy anyway. The Supreme Court's ruling on campaign contributions really tilted the table. Sad part is, three times the campaign money in 2011 came from old, established entities, while not near as much came from the sectors containing the more innovative enterprises. In short, our system is being purchased by yesterday's businesses. And don't forget the Wall St boys, buying legislation to insure their future. There's a lot of non-productive money here, doing nothing to aid start-ups, infastructure, education, blah, blah, blah. The practice of having trillions of dollars floating between these guys, doing little other than profiting them, hurts the economy in general. Corporate practice seems to be taking ideas that were R&D;'d by the government (taxpayers) and finding ways to bring that R&D; to market. The internet and computers are perfect examples of hidden corporate subsidies. Private companies added and devoloped features to this R&D;, but the basic engineering was public money. The new normal is to be the first to come up with a gimmick, create a market with advertising, dump it, and go for the next gimmick.

mrd — January 30, 2012 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The problem is, the parable doesn't fit reality. The rich guy will push the one remaining cookie to the poor guy, saying that the middle class guy doesn't deserve it because he's better off than the poor guy - he's already had a cookie before.

roger — January 30, 2012 at 12:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yes I do, sorry for the Crank pants bit this am...Just time for the R to start pressing Obama for real change. 2 thumbs up to Jan Brewer. She let the president have it, too bad the men and women of cngress won't, probab;ly wanting to keep their jobs huh?

vanwadreamer — January 30, 2012 at 1:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think the middle class guy and the poor guy should kick the stuffing out of the rich guy and tell him to go get his own cookies, then split them down the middle.

hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa, maybe the R's could say "yes" every once in a while instead of NO! Seems every time the Pres comes up with something good, these guys say no. I think that they should outlaw spray tans until Boehner gets his stuff together.

hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It works both ways and I believe the President has said NO more times but I could be wrong. He says no before it ever gets to a vote in congress...The system was broken right after he took office and lied about reaching across the isle... He is a pusher not a doer..IMHO

vanwadreamer — January 30, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

dfsadfh glad to hear it's working again for you. And did one of those characters come up in the CAPTCHA box?

In any event, your post made it through. Thanks for letting us know that the problem's been resolved.

Matt Wastradowski — January 30, 2012 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Matt, yes pasting the "á" that I copied from a Wikipedia page that was all about accents worked fine, I was afraid that I was going to have to go through symbols in my word processor to get it to work, which is always so much fun.

dfsadfh — January 30, 2012 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yo Matt, I have another one for you while you are here.

On the FB side while I'm looking at the lists of remarks and I click on the "see # more" , it opens them up but kicks me all the way back up to the top of the page. No matter where I am on the page, I have to start all over at the top and scroll down. If there are several places to open, it takes lots of scrolling to get to the bottom.

hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 2:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye, I've had that problem, too!

First, when you're viewing the comments, does the site URL have something like this at the end? "/?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150514053436272_20885010_10150514148981272"

If so, try erasing everything from ?fb_comment onward in your browser's address bar and hit "Enter." When all that is added to the end of the URL, your browser wants to keep going back to that same comment, even after clicking "VIew # More." It's confusing and can be frustrating.

If that's not the case, and you're just browsing the site, I'm not sure what's going on. I'm happy to bring it up with our developer. Will you send me a link to the article where it's happening? Or is it every article?

Matt Wastradowski — January 30, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Right on!

**Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abortion Bill**

To protest a bill that would require women to undergo an ultrasound before having an abortion, Virginia State Sen. Janet Howell (D-Fairfax) on Monday attached an amendment that would require men to have a rectal exam and a cardiac stress test before obtaining a prescription for erectile dysfunction medication.

"We need some gender equity here," she told HuffPost.

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

CNN's Ashleigh Banfield Quizzes David Vitter Over Prostitution Scandal (VIDEO)

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This reflects a posting last week linking conservatism to low I.Q. Another bagger elected 2010. Anyone here agree with the Senator?

**Stacey Campfield, Tennessee Senator Behind 'Don't Say Gay' Bill, Removed From Knoxville Restaurant After Anti-Gay Remarks**

"Most people realize that AIDS came from the homosexual community -- it was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall," he said in the interview. "My understanding is that it is virtually -- not completely, but virtually -- impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex...very rarely [transmitted]."

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Republican Misreading of the Declaration of Independence**

The Declaration of Independence, as claimed by Mitt Romney, is not a document based on "Judeo-Christian values and ethics." It is a secular document, written by an XVIIIth century deist (Jefferson was its principal author) who acknowleged the existence of a "Creator" who endowed "all men... with certain unalienable rights."

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.

I love Janet Howell, that's priceless!

I think the thing about AIDS is probably true but only in Tennessee.

hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think she's great also hawk, as is her offering to the "Theatre of the Absurd"!

I came across this timeless quote from an American treasure. We have a very "artistic" Congress!

~To string incongruities and absurdities together in a wandering and sometimes purposeless way, and seem innocently unaware that they are absurdities, is the basis of the American art, if my position is correct.~ MARK TWAIN

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 8:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bachman always has my back! I wish she was still in the running. Can she get back in? :)

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — January 30, 2012 at 10:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Damn, looks like this forum is practically dead... Where is everyone these days? They haven't all been blocked have they?

Genevieve — January 31, 2012 at 12:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Our politics appear to be sinking to new lows. I'd rather we go back to whipping each other with canes on the floor of Congress - at least there was an honesty about that.

"It's a funny thing, they were concerned about us having some prejudice against oil companies, and I can tell you, that's categorically not true," Kermit the Frog said late last week in a press conference in England. Miss Piggy was more combative and political; the puppet added that the charge was "almost as laughable as accusing Fox News of being news."

roger — January 31, 2012 at 5:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh please God...let it happen!!!

**Newt Gingrich's Promise To Campaign Until The Convention May Not Be A Bluff**

Even if the convention isn't ultimately brokered, the number of delegates each candidate earns and the way in which they are allotted are still significant. With the right number, candidates can force votes on certain issues, and they can make a motion on the convention floor to amend the party agenda or change the rules. They could also make a play for a key speaking role. It's why Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has pledged to keep campaigning until Tampa and why Gingrich is now offering the same posture.

Asked on Monday whether there was a chance he would drop out if he loses the Florida primary, Gingrich declared, "None... We’ll be in every state."

Read more @

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

In yesterday's paper there was a half page article on cannabis dispensaries in Olympia (pg. C-4). Does anyone know where the "C" has stashed it -here-?

Drift — January 31, 2012 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning drift! All I could find was this snippet printed yesterday buried a few pages back in the Northwest section. Although notable it's not the same article.


**42 Wash. lawmakers ask DEA to reclassify marijuana**

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) -- More than three dozen Washington state lawmakers are asking the federal government to reclassify marijuana.

IN a letter to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on Monday, the lawmakers said they supported Gov. Chris Gregoire's previous request on the issue. Reclassifying marijuana as a Schedule II drug would allow it to be prescribed by doctors and handled by pharmacists.

Seven Republican lawmakers are among the 42 who have signed on to the letter.

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I miss the Captain, thanks Nailingit.

Morning Gen, where have you been? Yes we are missing a few old friends, must be busy elsewhere.

Either that or they can't work that damn captcha thing!

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I saw the rescheduling thing, Nail. Thanks, though. I just find it odd that a half page article in the dead tree "C" would not be in the "E C."

Hey, Hawk!

Drift — January 31, 2012 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This is one of those must reads! I've been asking where is the Republican/Conservative party that used to exist. This speaks to it so well. Here are a few excerpts, but the entire article is gold.

When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?
Some of my Republican friends ask if I’ve gone crazy. I say: Look in the mirror.

By David Frum

I’ve been a Republican all my adult life. I have worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, at Forbes magazine, at the Manhattan and American Enterprise Institutes, as a speechwriter in the George W. Bush administration. I believe in free markets, low taxes, reasonable regulation, and limited government. I voted for John ­McCain in 2008, and I have strongly criticized the major policy decisions of the Obama administration. But as I contemplate my party and my movement in 2011, I see things I simply cannot support.


But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.


*Fox News and Talk Radio*
Extremism and conflict make for bad politics but great TV. Over the past two decades, conservatism has evolved from a political philosophy into a market segment. An industry has grown up to serve that segment—and its stars have become the true thought leaders of the conservative world. The business model of the conservative media is built on two elements: provoking the audience into a fever of indignation (to keep them watching) and fomenting mistrust of all other information sources (so that they never change the channel). As a commercial proposition, this model has worked brilliantly in the Obama era. As journalism, not so much. As a tool of political mobilization, it backfires, by inciting followers to the point at which they force leaders into confrontations where everybody loses, like the summertime showdown over the debt ceiling.

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- Is this the same story? Yesterday could have been a cut and paste from a previous article.

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Check out the C's crack crime reporters statement on FB.

"...a police sergeant shot in the chest with a large caliber handgun, a.45-caliber I believe (ballistic vest saved his life) over MEDICAL MARIJUANA here in Vancouver."

We have a lot of people shot "shot over" many things. Love, lust, power, money, sex, etc.

Let's not vilify a plant for inciting violence, but rather the laws that provoke such action.

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I saw that article the other day, Nail. No, the one I'm speaking of (typing of?) is from yesterday. It took up 2/3 of the page.

And responding to your "plant violence" post: Cannabis currently goes for $200+ an ounce. The RAND Corp. estimates if cannabis were legalized that would plummet to 10 or 20 bucks.

I've never had a fear of being robbed for the short case of beer in my fridge. The fridge on the backporch. Without a lock.

Drift — January 31, 2012 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It was the rich guy who baked the cookies to begin with.

Economics is not a zero sum game, like the Left believes.

kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Man, when I come here just to check in, and I see an easy to read CAPTCHA it makes me want to post simply to take advanatage of the legibility!

I suppose I *am* now at risk of being robbed. The convenience store near our place is going out of business. Everything is two for one. The street value of the contents of my beer fridge has increased dramatically.

There's fifty dollars worth of suds in there now! Heh.

Drift — January 31, 2012 at 12:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.

How do you know the rich guy made the cookies? Maybe it was the poor guy since it would be cheaper to make them rather than buy them or maybe it was the middle class guy because he liked the taste of home made cookies.

Taxes aren't just for the poor and middle class, like the Right believes.

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

WASHINGTON, D.C.--Is it November already? While the Republican presidential candidates were making their last-ditch pitches to Florida voters, Democratic National Committee representatives spent much of Tuesday bashing Mitt Romney, accusing him of pandering to seniors on the issues of Medicare and Medicaid.

He's a "political shape-shifter," Ed Coyle, the executive director of the Alliance for Retired Americans, told reporters on a conference call organized by the DNC. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Democratic representative from Florida and the chairwoman of the DNC, said that Romney has been pandering on the issues of immigration, funding for NASA and entitlement programs ahead of the Florida primary.

He wants to "end Medicare as we know it," Wasserman Schultz said. "Now, he has the audacity to lie about it and tell seniors he has their back."

Throughout the Republican presidential race, the DNC has issued press releases, attack ads and held press events such as Tuesday's primary-day call to criticize Romney— who holds a strong lead over Newt Gingrich in Florida, according to the most recent polling.

Today's DNC call followed up on a morning event Wasserman Schultz held at a Hollywood, Fla., senior center, where she issued similar criticisms of the perceived Republican frontrunner.

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hate. Misinformation propaganda. Vitriolic attacks. Rabid envy politics foam.

Has anyone else seen this article today about the tax rates of the wealthy? No I guess not.

> On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.
> This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
> Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.
> Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.


First posted by kn_dalai on — September 20, 2011 at 3:47 p.m.


kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***I guess you have to read the WHOLE article.***

Obama's claim hinges on the fact that, for high-income families and individuals, investment income is often taxed at a lower rate than wages. The top tax rate for dividends and capital gains is 15 percent. The top marginal tax rate for wages is 35 percent, though that is reserved for taxable income above $379,150.

With tax rates that high, why do so many people pay at lower rates? Because the tax code is riddled with more than $1 trillion in deductions, exemptions and credits, and they benefit people at every income level, according to data from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress' official scorekeeper on revenue issues.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year. Most, however, will pay other taxes, including Social Security payroll taxes.

"People who are doing quite well and worry about low-income people not paying any taxes bemoan the fact that they get so many tax breaks that they are zeroed out," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "People at the bottom of the distribution say, 'But all of those rich guys are getting bigger tax breaks than we're getting,' which is also the case."

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The additional information does not invalidate the first paragraphs.

kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The OWS’ers are showing their true colors more and more.

> About 400 people were arrested and three police officers were injured after a weekend protest by members of the Occupy movement in Oakland, Calif., turned into a violent confrontation with law enforcement officers that led to an assault on City Hall.
> The Oakland Police Department said in a statement that the crowd was ordered to disperse after protesters “began destroying construction equipment and fencing"
> “Officers were pelted with bottles, metal pipe, rocks, spray cans, improvised explosive devices and burning flares,” the police statement said. Officers responded by firing smoke and tear gas canisters and beanbags, and they initially arrested 20 people.



kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 3:14 p.m

I'm buying stock in a rubber bullet company. I'm also buying A stock of rubber bullets.

If the cops were pelted with bottles, metal pipes, rocks, etc. they had every right to fire back. I'm surprised nobody got killed.

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What up Kn_d? Who ya rootin' fer? Newt or Willard?

*It was the rich guy who baked the cookies to begin with.*

All right. Let's assume your assumption of assumably is assumable. That those on the right are more productive than those on the left. Does Keebler produce the best store bought cookies on the market? Yeah, by and large. Man, the Fudgesticks and Grasshoppers are just incre...sorry.

Is it because Keebler employs a great number of Elves with magical powers? Maybe... most likely not.

It's those in the trenches. It's the farm owners that receive subsidies from the Government to product. It's the immigrants that plant, grow and harvest the wheat. It's the lowly farm help that milk the cows. It's the Unionized truck drivers delivering ingredients to make the cookies to processing plants, warehouses and distribution centers across the country. It's the Government workers that inspect the cookies in order to ensure the public's safety. It's the factory workers that package the cookies according to left leaning policies that ensure public safety and that altogether Elf freshness. It's the workers that stock shelves and ready them for sale. It's the the checker at your local store that enables you to purchase them.

Does Keebler employ elves? Maybe.

*Economics is not a zero sum game, like the Left believes.*

No one knows this *better* than the left.

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye and professor. Aw come on. As far as assuming it was the rich guy that made the cookies…there is no doubt. Everyone knows the rich guy is…ROLLING IN DOUGH. (OK, OK, I just had to get that one out there.)

You’re making all kinds of assumptions yourself. One would think that International Harvester and John Deere were of government invention. That cows couldn’t produce milk except by government decree. That truck drivers couldn’t drive a truck without the union. Or farmers couldn’t grow crops without government involvement. (Don’t know a lot about government farm subsidies, but do know that at least in some cases farmers are paid NOT to grow crops. First started with the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. The idea was to decrease the amount of certain commodities on the market, in order to increase the price farmers received. Considering the effects of the depression, it may be questionalble that the government should want to see food prices increased when so many could ill afford it.)

I would not lump in government food inspection with the rest, as it may be considered a legitimate health issue. However, having said that, sometimes there is such a thing as a false sense of assurance.

You portray a very collectivist and centralized planning scenario that I ain’t buyin’.

kn_dalai — January 31, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The rich man spends a number of cookies to create the 10 cookies. This includes paying the 1 cookie wages of his employees, who are or aspire to be the middle class. In the beginning his investment is high - let's say 9 cookies to earn 10. Everyone is happy. Over time, as facilities and equipment are paid off, his investment drops - perhaps as low as 3 cookies to earn 10. At that point the worker sees the owner keeping 7 cookies out of 10, while he still gets only 1 cookie. The worker figures he should get 2 cookies, and that 6 should be good enough for the owner. The owner either agrees, or says screw you - its all mine. If the latter, the workers form a union, strike, and show the owner its better to play ball and pay 2 cookies. But the previously happy relationship has been destroyed - in time, the worker is going to come back and ask for 3 cookies. But the owner is no dummy, and he goes and buys a few local politicians and gets laws passed that protect his interests. This may cost him 2 cookies, but its better than allowing the worker to obtain a raise to 3 cookies.

What about the poor man? The rich man has his politicians throw them a few crumbs that were swept from the production room floor. When they complain this isn't enough, they say "so sorry - but the greedy middle class workers are getting what should be your share. Vote for us and we'll keep them in check and then you'll get more."

But the rich man isn't happy with just 6 cookies - he wants more. So he moves the cookie plant to a 3rd world country, pays them the crumbs swept off the floor, still pays politician 2 cookies, and is now back to 8 cookies for himself. And the middle class worker becomes the poor man receiving no cookies.

And that is the reality of capitalism as we've seen it practiced in this country.

roger — January 31, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, I see that every accident on or near the I5 Bridge will continue to receive maximum press coverage.

It was reported at 7:45 a.m., and cleared up by 8:30 a.m., per the article. Not bad, especially for rush hour traffic. Try getting an accident on the I205 Bridge clear in 45 minutes during rush hour, even with the lanes for emergency vehicles to travel. It isn't happening. But we don't read about these accidents, do we?

roger — January 31, 2012 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And we're supposed to take these guys seriously? I haven't seen such good comedy on TV since Carol Burnett and the original SNL crew went off the air!

The Newt Gingrich campaign has a robocall out in Florida claiming that Mitt Romney once took kosher food away from Holocaust survivors.

The text of the call:

As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney vetoed a bill paying for kosher food for our seniors in nursing homes. Holocaust survivors, who for the first time, were forced to eat non-kosher, because Romney thought $5 was too much to pay for our grandparents to eat kosher. Where is Mitt Romney's compassion for our seniors? Tuesday you can end Mitt Romney's hypocrisy on religious freedom, with a vote for Newt Gingrich. Paid for by Newt 2012.

roger — January 31, 2012 at 5:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No idea what happened with that cut/paste.

The text of the call:

As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney vetoed a bill paying for kosher food
for our seniors in nursing homes. Holocaust survivors, who for the first time,
were forced to eat non-kosher, because Romney thought $5 was too much to pay for
our grandparents to eat kosher. Where is Mitt Romney's compassion for our
seniors? Tuesday you can end Mitt Romney's hypocrisy on religious freedom,
with a vote for Newt Gingrich. Paid for by Newt 2012.

roger — January 31, 2012 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Or.... The owner could realize that the reason he is making 7 cookies is because of the workers so he decides that he doesn't HAVE to make that much and he makes a deal with the workers that he will give them a raise every year that sales and production go up and that he would be willing to hire some poor people and train them on an apprentice program so they could work their way up and build the company so they could employ more people and pay LIVING wages.

The downside to this is.......uh.......

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Your train of thought is similar to what Demming proposed. Quit putting the focus on profits - instead, reinvest in the company and strive to make a better product. (Investing in your workforce was a key aspect of this.) Once achieved, sales and subsequently profits will go up. Everyone on the company team benefits.

roger — January 31, 2012 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney's "crushing" victory in FL isn't as impressive as the news is portraying it. Add the more conservative Newtie and Santorum backers and they were even up.

Newtie says he'll end up absorbing those voters. Maybe. I'm curious about the populist track he's trying to take - Romney is Wall Street, and Newt is The People. Where's his money coming from? And his new Contract With America is amazing - by direction to Congress and Presidential decree, he's going to change the course of the country. (Children - Can you spell megalomaniac?)

roger — January 31, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just when you thought it couldn't get any nastier, some Florida voters today have been greeted with pre-recorded telephone calls saying Mitt Romney took kosher meals away from Holocaust survivors.

"Holocaust survivors who for the first time were forced to eat non-kosher because Romney thought $5 was too much to pay for your grandparents to eat kosher," the robo-call said. "Where is Mitt Romney's compassion for our seniors?" The call ends with these words: "Paid for by Newt 2012."

***Now, that's just mean. Maybe because he's Mormon.***

hawkeye — January 31, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*You portray a very collectivist and centralized planning scenario that I ain’t buyin’.*

Kn_d.....collectivist? I think sometimes you hang too tight with the "rugged individualist" concept, and stretch it a bit to fit your ideology. Not criticizing, just observing The inability to distinguish reality from fantasy is inherent with conservatism. :)) But back to this *collectivist and centralized planning scenario*.

What about the roads and road maintenance *International Harvester and John Deere* move their equipment on. The Bridges that support their cargo and the dams that harness electricity. Why were the Teamsters formed in the first place? Because Jack Nicholson and Danny DeVito can kick some serious tail? Maybe. What about Fed involvement in natural disasters? Leave it to the states? They're starved for funds the way it is. Countless scenario's that require a need for a centralized government, to include National Defense, health and safety, education.

Personally I get it when it comes to American individualism. I've never asked for government assistance. I'm not old enough to collect S.S. or Medicare, and 'enjoy' paying taxes like most. But I view American heritage in the frame of the Statue Of Liberty, rather than Wal-marts, starved communities and a people with repressed freedoms.

This is a collectivist society after all. We enact laws to ensure some degree of stability and civility exists so we can thrive, and we are finding out when it comes to business and culture, we're just one big happy f-ng family.

We're all in this game of life together, why enact separatist policies that unfairly starve the majority, while unfairly rewarding the minority.

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal






its a GREAT DAY.

DeeLittle — February 1, 2012 at 12:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle: Good news, indeed. I am so sorry that you lost your children to this disease and very grateful for the science behind the new medicine. We need to fund research and value the minds that create miracles and hope.
I have been up in Olympia, observing the goings on there as part of my job and I fear that what I am seeing is turning me into a rabid Libertarian.

I hardly recognize myself with the loss of my newly deceased beliefs. I am so disappointed and disgusted, I can barely type.

Also added to my disgust: the way reporters are being manipulated by political lies so easily and willingly.

The noun "whore" comes to mind.........

manthou — February 1, 2012 at 6:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of whores, Romney's super-pac released it's financial info last nite, just prior to the deadline, but after Romney's victory speech. No surprise here, but all the Wall St boys chipped in bigtime. Hopefully the newt will tear into this guy and expose him for what he is-a puppet to the big $$$.

mrd — February 1, 2012 at 6:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle, absolutely wonderful news! Doing a happy dance in your honor!

Manthou, good to see another leave the dark side and come to the light. You are finding out what Golden, others and I have found out many months ago. Just wait, there's more for you to uncover. When you do, the noun "whore" will be too good to use.
You may ask ...why didn't we tell..we tried but, it's the very fact that no one wanted to listen. Best to let you find out on your own. :)

ELISI — February 1, 2012 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd, and you don't think that everyone of them in DC isn't a puppet to the big $$$??

I have an island for sale....

ELISI — February 1, 2012 at 7:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — January 31, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.

I disagree with your entire assessment.

It has nothing to do with rugged individualism. It is about the state protecting one’s own liberty. The Left has taken this principle and turned it on its head by changing the purpose of governmnent to that of overseer and charitable trust.

No one is disagreeing with the need for government and by extension, centralized planning. It is the purpose of government that is the question. And the efficacy.

Article 1 section 8 of the Federal Constitution charges the government with the duty of building post roads. It is hardly a stretch to include such things as the Interstate Freeways, as they are also used for postal purposes. In any event, the issue of roads is mentioned in Federalist Papers number 14 and 42 and in both cases is taken as an obviously necessary and proper function of governnment. Certainly, government building of infrastructure such as roads and bridges, dams and canals, are easily justified under the General Welfare Clause. Article 2 section 40 of the Washington State Constitution specifically allocates money from the treasury for, and charges the state with, road building and maintainence.

The purpose of roads is not to take public monies to make someone rich, but rather to facilitate the public good. It might be added that those roads are paid for out of money collected at the gas pump, for one thing and by license fees. In both cases those trucking firms, or other businesses, are paying for their bigger rigs and miles driven.

Freedom of association. A concept seen by SCOTUS as embodied in first amendment rights. The Wagner Act of 1935, gave legal protections to unions. But in so doing, stripped businesses of their own freedom of association. And also some employees who may be forced into union membership against their own will. While Scotus ruled in favor of the Wagner Act in NLRB v. Jones and Laughlin Steel Corp., one might wonder the political nature of this decision, as it seems clearly to grant one faction rights by violating another faction’s rights.

“We’re all in this together” is a nice sentiment, so long as it is understood in the context of: voluntary associations. Government is force, and is the best reason for limited government.

kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 9:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well now. Any good leftist is a believer in wealth redistribution by government. Is that perhaps the point of your educational post of 2:29 p.m.? That the proper role of government is to stick money in someone’s pocket, so that they’ll buy more stuff? That the money is confiscated by the power of law, against a certain faction is, I suppose, irrelevant. Don’t know if that is your point, but it makes a good segue. HA!

Funny you should mention H. Ford. Although he was not the first to design and build an internal combustion engine, he was the first to put the automobile on a production line. Which increased it’s affordability, which increased demand…greatly. Please note the use of the word “increased”. Additionally, all of that crude oil, which had hitherto had no great economic value, suddenly became valuable. Which created another new industry, which created either directly or indirectly, a lot of new employment. As a result, e.g. various peoples of the Arabian Peninsula witnessed an economic boon. And it had nothing to do with the government distribution of, in this case, natural resources. 10 times nothin’ is still nothin’. Nope, Henry Ford, and others like him, made those people wealthy.

Automobiles, planes, trains, ships and petroleum products created an entirely new economy.

Then there’s Silicon Valley. Did they satisfy a demand, or did they create a demand which had not previously existed? I’ll go with the later. It’s usually referred to as the “new economy”.

Ever wonder why there was a wall between East and West Berlin? In this country, we build a fence to keep people out. Over there, they put up fences to keep people in. I’ve addressed this idea a couple of times before. Ever heard of a brain drain? As far as I’m concerned, that kind of flies in the face of your idea that someone can just build some manufacturing plant, or provide some service, to meet demand. Personally, I don’t think that the Soviets, or the Poles, or the Cubans are lazy or stupid. I think there is some other reason why their economies were so bad, and everyone was miserable.

Sorry, I just don’t buy into your scenario of the irrelevance of business in creating jobs.

KNDali2025—March 25, 2011 at 4:54 p.m.

*Reprinted with permission from the author.*

kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

From Michelle Bachman;

Let me be absolutely clear -- there are absolutely no negotiations between me and the Romney campaign regarding any pending endorsement of Governor Romney. I continue to speak with all the candidates and plan on uniting behind the presumptive nominee. The Boston Globe article today is completely false and I call on the Globe to retract their article.

This tells me she isn't going to back anybody until a sure winner is chosen so as to not burn bridges. In the real world it's called CYA.

hawkeye — February 1, 2012 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just like Obama will be getting over 1 billion from his "backers" thats not 1 billion people putting a dollar in either.. He will have raised more money from Pacs-super pacs than all the Rep combined.. Who is kidding whom when they want to tear Romney down for getting money from rich people. It's what all politicians do.. Where esle ya get da $$$..

vanwadreamer — February 1, 2012 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Re: your post — January 31, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.

I don't know if you wrote that message or just did a "cut and paste". But the way I read it they are comparing apples and crab apples.

First it talks about those making aver $1mil paying ~29% in "federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and *other taxes*"
Then it talks about those in the $50K-$75K and $40K-$50K brackets. It conveniently leaves out the phrase "*other taxes*". Leaving you to assume that it is included.

Reading contracts and statistics you are always told "not to assume anything".

Being in one of those lower brackets I can assure you that when I include "*other taxes*" (just feds) I am above the averages stated.

pdxtech91 — February 1, 2012 at 12:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW...Those that are having trouble with CAPTCHA.

At least 99% of the time you can ignore any punctuation, capitalization and accent marks. It is just looking to see if you can copy the 2 alpha-numeric character strings.

I hope this helps with some frustrations.

pdxtech91 — February 1, 2012 at 12:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As the day began, the former Massachusetts governor told CNN from Florida: "I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it. I'm not concerned about the very rich. They're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of America, the 90-95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling."

"You can focus on the very poor, that's not my focus," he said.

President Barack Obama's re-election campaign was quick to criticize.

"So much for 'we're all in this together,'" tweeted Obama campaign manager Jim Messina.

***Oh Mitchell, you stepped in it again!***

hawkeye — February 1, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My bad, Not Mitchell --- Willard!

Who knew?

hawkeye — February 1, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

pdxtech91 — February 1, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.

Perhaps the former duckey? Well…no matter.

> I don't know if you wrote that message or just did a "cut and paste". But the way I read it they are comparing apples and crab apples. -- pdxtech91 — February 1, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.

Not really sure what you’re talking about here. The first two sentences/paragraphs are obviously my own. I have used the Columbian’s “quote” feature, to copy and paste from an Associated Press article. Also obvious. Then I provided a link. And finally acknowleged that this was reposted from a former post from myself.

I agree with you and also hawkeye, that there are some ambiguities in that article. Maybe not wrong, but just not clear about some things, the way it is written.


It also says that:

> The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.
> Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent.

These statements are not ambiguous.

kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 2:26 p.m

Seems to me, with all the different ways this can be seen, IT'S TIME FOR TAX REFORM!

Dump the current method and come up with a better way to fund our country. Whether it be flat rate or something else, make it easy, make it fair and make it better.

And make it no captcha!

hawkeye — February 1, 2012 at 2:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — February 1, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.

Something which I believe we can agree on. Although the 8% figure, I believe you have previoulsy stated, is way too low.

Also, there is the question of the propriety of an income tax to begin with. It is, without question, an invasion of privacy, and should so be considered.

kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This is what freedom looks like when republicans have their way. Are any of you so stoked up with Fox Kool-aid you support this? Incredible that the GOP has no checks and balances within their party. Their constituents sure won't hold them accountable. Boehner's quite the leader.

Imagine if the Dems did this. It would be headlined in every paper in the country.

These is what some of you numbskulls voted in last election. Take responsibility and vote them out.

nailingit — February 1, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism**

Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and the study's lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a vicious cycle: People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn, prejudice, he told LiveScience.

Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative ideologies? Because such ideologies feature "structure and order" that make it easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice," he added.

Dr. Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychologist, echoed those sentiments.

"Reality is complicated and messy," he told The Huffington Post in an email. "Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies."

nailingit — February 1, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The gall of this freshman. Pretty soon it'll be "In Brigham We Trust". Pathetic. This Congress continues to set new lows.

**Sen. Mike Lee Vows To Block Obama's Nominees, Uses PAC To Raise Money Off Effort**

Lee goes on to equate Obama with "a tyrannical Executive" and "a dangerously unchecked president who would violate our God-given rights as citizens of this country."

nailingit — February 1, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee Little,

I'm happy for you. I'm also impressed by your obvious personal strength - what I endured with my wife over the past couple of years pales in comparison to what you've been through. Your ability to maintain an interest in life and to still care about others is something I hope to be able to emulate.

roger — February 1, 2012 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 1, 2012 at 6:07 a.m.

So, are you going to share what you saw in Oly that disgusted you?

We had an article or two here recently showing the bills being introduced in this special session that's supposed to be determining where to make cuts and how to keep essential state services funded. I noticed that many are for idiotic silliness. Might this play into it?

Or perhaps the complete lack of interest in accounting for where our taxpayer money is being spent by the CRC and Evans? Or was it something else?

roger — February 1, 2012 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have always found it rather curious, that those on the Left are so prone to jump from their socialist ideas, all the way over the Republicans, and suddenly embrace the ideas of Libertarianism.

One might wish to examine the Libertarian philosophy of the Classical Liberalism of the founding fathers, as espoused by the political philosophy of John Locke, the purpose of government, and the Libertarian Social Contract Theory idea of the state of nature.

All of which the founding documents of the United States were based upon.

kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"I have always found it rather curious, that those on the Left are so prone to jump from their socialist ideas, all the way over the Republicans, and suddenly embrace the ideas of Libertarianism." -- kn_dalai — February 1, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.

If this was the Repub party of early WF Buckley Jr. I'd agree with the point. But once they sold out to Pat Robertson and crowd, as part of their (successful) move to build numbers, the answer to your question seems fairly simple. Perhaps because the Repubs want to impose more control over personal lives than the Libertarians?

Or, on further thought, it may be because both of the two major parties are morally corrupt. They've sold out on core principles for dollars and for doing whatever necessary to retain power. Representing their constituents rarely ranks as a higher priority. So, once our Leftist (is this the same as Liberal?) loses faith with the Dem party - the Libertarian party is probably the most appealing option out there. Sort of like the Socialist Workers Party of the early '70s was for some of us.

roger — February 1, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting discussion between kn_dalai and pdxtech91 earlier this afternoon. The Brookings Institute figures for 2011 effective tax rates by income level tend to support kn_dalai.;=1

But this is just looking at federal taxes. What I'd like to see is something that factors in all the various state and local sales taxes, real estate taxes, school bonds, etc, etc. My guess is that those of us who spend a much higher percentage of our income on basic survival (and a few more toys than probably necessary) end up with a higher effective tax rate than the very wealthy.

roger — February 1, 2012 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Haven't you used that Gene Wilder avatar before? Or are you getting us ready for a greatest hits recycling before dumping the folder?

roger — February 1, 2012 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 6:07 pm: Watching the legislature work up close and personal is like waking up the morning after a one night stand, taking a bleary-eyed look at the partner beside you in the full morning sun and running to the bathroom as fast as you can to hurl. It ain't pretty and it feels real bad. Not that I would know anything about that, mind you.......

We are bleeding out our eyeballs, writhing in pain here yet our noble electeds are actually voting on ADDING departments and more layers of fat to the bloat (based on personal vendettas and pet projects, not evidence of need), while some worthy programs are left to shrivel from neglect. There does not seem like there is any priority to which a law makes it to the ol' hopper first or which one gets through a committee. I have a suspicion that it all depends on which contituent is perceived as having the most power to influence an election.

I cannot be more specific right now, because I swear I will jinx the mojo I am giving CPR to now that is very fragile. Suffice it to say that you are right: most of us don't matter to 'em. We are expendable after we fill in the little square that gets them elected. Problem is: some journalists are looking the other way or actually printing half-truths and lies of omission to garner favor with the powerful. And they are harming good people in the process. That bothers me more than anything. Who is looking out for the little guy anynore?

Sorry this all sounds so cloak-and-dagger and vague. I just am more convinced that we are the ones who need to keep looking over the shoulders of our legislators. We need to keep writing them. We need to keep calling them and telling them what we expect, in spite of the fact that THAY ARE NOT REALLY LISTENING AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO CARE THAT WE KNOW.

I am so disappointed in my own naivety and the fact that I actually expected more from Olympia.

manthou — February 1, 2012 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's some homework for tonight, friends:

Give me the definition of pack journalism and its threat to a free democracy.


manthou — February 1, 2012 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gosh, I'm actually proud to be a Washingtonian today! Hope it passes the house!

Genevieve — February 1, 2012 at 10:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm proud to NOT be a Republican't.

Seems as though The Donald is going to endorse The Newt. Could be good, could be bad. If he doesn't make it to the White House, maybe he can be on Celebrity Apprentice.

hawkeye — February 1, 2012 at 11:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The following has been treated as a page 2 to Sec'y Panetta's statements that we'll be shutting down combat operations in Afghanistan in 2013. Its based on a "leaked" intelligence report on prisoner interrogations - not highly reliable as a sole source - but fits the history of the region. And it has long been said that when we leave, Karzai is a dead man.

Probably the most damaging part of this report is that Pakistan's military intelligence operations have been leading the Taliban to a great extent - providing guidance on conduct of operations and who knows what else. This is a real problem for which we probably have no "right path" to take.

roger — February 2, 2012 at 5:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Genevieve at 10:46 PM: Thanks for reminding us all that our legislators can do the right thing once in awhile. I am pleased that WA will soon be joining the small number of other states in supporting gay marriage.

My tirade last night had nothing to do with this pending equal rights legislation and more to do with state legislator priorities on spending dwindling dollars and how they manipulate an underinformed public through fear to promote and perpetuate poor policy.

What seems stupid to one person may be brilliant to another. It is all a matter of perspective. This I understand.

manthou — February 2, 2012 at 6:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What is with these Repubs running for Pres? It seems every time one of them gets a lead, he says something stupid. Romney says he doesn't care about the poor - we have safety nets for them and if those are broken they can be fixed. (Ding ding ding - translation can go a couple of ways - and betting money says the poor won't like what this would mean.)

Romney also said he doesn't care about the rich - they're doing well enough without help. The entire conversation was that his focus will be recovery for the working middle class, who he says are about 90% of the population. But most people quit listening after the lead in statement - that he doesn't care about the poor.

One problem here is that most polls show he's the only Repub who can beat Pres Obama. Comments like this will soon mean none can beat him.

The real problem is that, in a way, Romney is right. We don't care about the poor. We're more than happy to throw money their way, but do very little to create real paths out of poverty. Where are the training programs for the trades? Why is higher education cost prohibitive? Why is Corporate America allowed to export jobs so they can increase their profit margins? Why do we train for minimum wage jobs, when the daycare "industry" is something minimum wagers can't afford or use due to working odd hours and depending on mass transit? This list can go on.

If we truly cared, then we'd find solutions - ones that truly help those that want to raise their standard of living. As for those who don't....

roger — February 2, 2012 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — January 30, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.

"This reflects a posting last week linking conservatism to low I.Q. Another bagger elected 2010. Anyone here agree with the Senator?"

Dude, you really have to start getting your information from somewhere other than Huffpo and MSNBC, they are rotting your brain,

Rightwing_Extremist — February 2, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Newt Gingrich and the Art of Racial Dog Whistling**

"What we’re also seeing in America is a bit of a civil war. The irrationality of racial hatred runs so deep that there are some who would rather see America crash and burn than to see a black man standing proudly in the White House. The talk of assassinating our leader and defying the federal government has rarely been greater than it is right now."

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

About your post at 4:34 yesterday. The majority of people in the US find our presidents actions and behvior at times to be exactly what he described. He certainly hasn't strayed far from pulpit in his beliefs to extend his socialistic agenda to create class warfare inciting those of whom he has dumbed down to think his policies are good for our country and it's citizens....Maybe you should go out into the community and listen to people talk. I sat with a few folks yesterday at a small coffee shop here in the couv and it was quite enlightening to hear what people think about our local and national political sceene...But you live in PEE town.. As liberal a city there is next to SF and look how good that city is doing and the state for that matter under the artfull watch of the wicked witch herself, Miss lying Pelosi....

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Rightwing @ 7:52- What is not covered in the study is the "inherent" aspects of Vantucky conservatism. Tell sis I said hi.

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"The defense of marriage bill is probably unconstitutional in that it discriminates against one group of Americans who are born with a different sexual orientation than other Americans such as heterosexual or bisexual orientations. Discrimination has no place in a Constitutional America.

aintnogod — March 2, 2011 at 7:50 a.m.

Unless you are wiiling to let my sister join my wife and I in our marriage you are being a hypocrit. Why should an FLDS member in Utah be discriminated against? If marriage is based on attraction or love then let all be married.
March 2, 2011 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

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Basil and insii

Your hatred and bigotted rhetoric has not gone unnoticed. In this day and age I find it hard to believe there are some that would show such open disdain for those who are different. I've been on here for one year now and would have never believed you, of all people, would take this bigotted stance. You may want to time to reflect and maybe address this fear of others. I should be able to find you help if you need it. I will also contact representative Moeller about funding to help others understand and realize discrimination needs to be stopped wherever it is found.
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Wow, all this time you represented yourselves as champions of diversity, while being the most sisterphobic people to ever want to restrict my freedoms. Shame on you.
March 7, 2011 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

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I have to disagree with you there. I am right and I don't understand insii's blatetent discrimination in this matter. Who is insii to decide what is a repugnant lifestyle? This is just more bigotry of those who claim to champion diversity and civil rights for all.
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nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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You are a hypocrit, who are you to decide the equivalency? What informs your thinking? Why do you choose to discriminate against what you don't approve of? This is bigotry in the highest order.
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Who are you to determine that "there are those who's "lifestyle" choices most find so repugnant, that the powers that be find it compelling and necessary to institute laws that restrict those actions"?
Why are you willing to discriminate against my sister and my wife and I, all living under a civil marriage? That is nothing but blatent bigotry. I have contacted a group of FLDS members and together we will lobby to have this bill changed.
That's excellent, we have 100 people not on unemployment. One question, how many jobs were lost? Since the unemployment rate is just a function of those on unemployment, how is it determined that there were 100 jobs gained? To make that assumption you have to speculate that they all got jobs. Is that even plausible? I think not.

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How does removing something from a primarily political organization have anything to to with bigotry and hate? We are talking about real bigotry and hatred against us. We are not asking for something special, which funding is, we are requesting the same civil rights as everyone else.
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I see you're back spewing hate filled venom. I never spoke about children, why do you setup that strawman? You on the religious left try to claim that sibling, sibling-plural, or plural marriages are somehow of less value than yours. This is why the 14th Amendment exists. You just want veto power over that with which are afraid of. I don't know how many phobias you have but it shouldn't deny us our civil rights.
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That's true Lew. Basil can't accept that I've loved my sister pretty much all my life. Though there was that rough patch as teenagers. This just about a personal decision we three have made. We are free American citizens due the same protections under the law that you have. End the discrimination!
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nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

^^^^^^^^comments attributed to Rightwing_Extremist^^^^^^^^^^

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- "But you live in PEE town."

You are incorrect. I live in Vancouver. As to the rest of your baseless rant, to include Nancy Pelosi :)), :)), and another :))!

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou-roger @ 6:07 pm: Watching the legislature work up close and personal is like waking up the morning after a one night stand, taking a bleary-eyed look at the partner beside you in the full morning sun and running to the bathroom as fast as you can to hurl. It ain't pretty and it feels real bad. Not that I would know anything about that, mind you.......

And these damn Republicans want to outlaw the Morning After Pill! :)

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Again. Where is the outrage from those who fancy themselves as Constitutional purists? Come on guys, give this event some print. Kn_d? fro?? Anyone??? Doesn't this concern anyone? This has to be one of the most outrageous and anti-American action ever taken by members of Congress and nothing is being made of it. vanwa, this is also being talked about.

I suppose it depends on how you like your coffee...Or Tea.

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**One Town's War on Gay Teens
In Michele Bachmann's home district, evangelicals have created an extreme anti-gay climate. After a rash of suicides, the kids are fighting back.**

"Here you had a large number of suicides that are really closely connected, all within one school district, in a small amount of time," explains Reidenberg. "Kids started to feel that the normal response to stress was to take your life."

Read more:

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry about the insult of saying you lived in PEE Town... My appologies... On another note of free press per your post above it looks like Fox didn't have proper authority to be in the room and no permission to tape the hearing as well. Looks by all accounts the arrest was well within the comitties rights.. Will have to wait for the fallout later and see what happens..

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- No umbrage taken. Portland's a beautiful city as cities go. It sounds like you are more concerned with the letter of the law than the intent and actions of these radical congressmen. It's the tolerance and promotion from those on the right that endorse Government enforcement as a means to censure and suppress. Using government powers to silence opposition coming from those that wish to maintain the basic tenets of American democracy.

Individual Worth

Individual Freedom


Popular Sovereignty

Majority Rule

Minority Rights

Limited Government



Drift & Thoughtful Dwellers

Medical Marijuana Law Challenged In Rogue River, Ore.

"It's turned into a Cheech and Chong movie. `Up In Smoke,' man," said Medford police Chief Tim George, whose officers arrested Brewer in 2009. "We are swimming in weed."

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Really.. So you label all R this way..Now thats a pretty large brush there buddy! Wether it was the letter of the law or not just like the "Ocupiers" which are breaking the laws ,
left and right, I dont think we are following the law enough......

I like your list though.. Lets move on to another topic.. Majority rule.. Washington Voters voted against a gay marriage bill so why is it that our legislators are going against the wishes of the voters??? Sticking to your list and letter of the law..Your thoughts

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

One inarguable statement from the gop's crop of hopefuls-Romey saying he doesn't care about the poor, and he means it.

*Actually, if you look at Romney's policy agenda, you will see that "fixing it" could not be further from his plan, unless it's doublespeak for "eviscerating it." Romney calls for immediate across-the-board cuts in nonsecurity discretionary spending. That would mean slashing the budget for many of the programs that comprise our safety net, by 5%, according to his spending proposal. These cuts would come on top of the* *17% cut already affected by this summer's Budget Control Act.*

*Further, according to analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, his proposals to cap total spending at 20% of gross domestic product, along with increasing already bloated military spending, cutting taxes and pursuing a balanced budget, would necessitate enormous cuts to vital programs. "The cuts would measure 21% in 2016 and 36% in 2021," the center said. "If policymakers exempted Social Security from the cuts and then cut all other nondefense programs by the same percentage, the cuts would rise to 30% in 2016 and 54% in 2021."*

mrd — February 2, 2012 at 1:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 1:03 p.m


I like your question but you already know the answer, don't you?

Remember when we "voted" to remove the high cost of registering our vehicles?

I rest my case.

hawkeye — February 2, 2012 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Come on I was just trying to make a point...And your right about the auto license costs...

MRD-The center of Budget and policy priorities.. When did that department come into existance? That has to be a bloated dept since it sounds like they try to figure out what government is doing... I still say that if we as citizens could turn people in for fraud on license plates cheats and welfare and food stamps and we were rewarded monatarily wise we would be much better off and wouldn't need all these departments to check on these... Our government has gotten so big it's time to start just lopping off depts.. I like Ron pauls thinking on this subject...

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well there you have it, the news from last night was wrong. The Donald is actually backing Willard. Go figure, one rich guy snuggling up to another rich guy. Who knows what will rub off and who it will rub off of.

hawkeye — February 2, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gotta love the debate brewing on the FB side about JHB trying to get a vote out on the proposed new bridge...Seriously it's not a project that requires a vote. Hell no one voted on the St Johns overpass bridge that is killing several businesses over there, but oh thats only a small 50mil project and I avoid that area anyway... The new propsed bridge will be an assett to the whole community and everyone that travels I-5 for commerce...More people will stay in the couv to shop where they should support our local busineses...Other road projects will be built also during and after this project. A vote for this bridge would just be a symbolic one since we don't really have a say.. How about the r this bridge through taxes paid to the feds which will supply most of the money. Home owners and travelers locally will be only ones locally affected by fares and taxes. How much time do you spend sitting for traffic "ON" the bridge when you only want to get to terminal 6 for work.. Time is money..

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Our government has gotten so big it's time to start just lopping off depts.. I like Ron pauls thinking on this subject...*

At least Paul can remember which ones to lop off.

With all the unemployment, catching fraudsters could be a new career path for many, kinda like bounty hunters, although the biggest ones-Wall St-are beyond and above laws and regulation, so we as citizens need to catch the poor folks, the easy prey.

mrd — February 2, 2012 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


How about The guy that came into my business driving a 08 caddy with Or plates but vancouver address Lived here since 07 but hasn't registered his vehicle. He is acountant here locally.. He is not one of the poor!

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — February 2, 2012 at 4:16 p.m

If they have an Oregon business they register their vehicle to the business. That way they can register it cheaper and write it off the business as well.

I think if you own the vehicle, drive it for ANY personal use and live here, you register it here.

hawkeye — February 2, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Random musings.

A big first of all to Dee Little. I fear I was too self absorbed yesterday and was derelict in not commenting on the good news you presented. I echo Roger’s comment on your courage of perseverance. BTW, I’ve always really liked your avatar.

Nailingit. RE: your most recent avatar…it’s nice to see what you look like.

Roger: I’m a little surprised about your reference to, apparently, your interest in the Socialist Worker’s Party in the 70’s. Socialist Worker’s Party. A military career. Democrat. Now interested in Libertarianism. Interesting. Well, as I commented on a while back: Eldridge Cleaver, of Black Panther fame, became a Republican and even a Mormon.

Manthou: And now you’re interested in Libertarianism? Nah. Go on. After you’re obvious disdain for Ayn Rand, that’s …quite surprising. Although Rand really didn’t like Libertarians, I believe over issues of amorality; certainly the anti-collectivism-through-government message is the same. I believe you read Atlas Shrugged, as I did, a long time ago. Although I do not remember everything, I, and you , may recall about her message of bureaucratic decision making. It is the nature of the beast. “A zebra is a horse designed by committee” was the major theme of The Fountainhead, which she expanded upon in Atlas Shrugged. Not sure exactly what you saw in Olympia, but I’m sure it wasn’t pretty.

Hawkeye: Nice we can at least agree that the tax thing is pretty messed up.

That is all. Thank you.

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*I still say that if we as citizens could turn people in for fraud on license plates cheats and welfare and food stamps and we were rewarded monatarily wise we would be much better off*

vanwa- You trump libertarian philosophy, but are all about being a snitch to local authorities for a payday funded with taxpayer money! You were the rat in school that snitched on kids having a smoke out back or in the restroom? You were the kid that ran and told the principle if there was a fight after school? You're the guy that sucks up to bosses and gossips to get ahead? I don't know vanwa, principles should count for something...don't you think?


Whatever happened to live and let live? Congress arresting citizenry for looking and listening. Congress attacking women's health care. Congress attacking the middle class by not allowing a vote on a jobs bill. Congress attacking America with the debt ceiling debate. Congress attacking the middle class challenging the payroll tax cut for middle America, while attacking the behinds of special interest groups that fund their campaigns with the Savagery of a criminally insane serial rapist who recently escaped a Santorum. Onandonandon......

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_d- *Nailingit. RE: your most recent avatar…it’s nice to see what you look like.*

Thanks Kn_d. I thought I would reuse it for awhile, but don't go all "Mark Foley" over me. I prefer melons to pickles. :)

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Danny Ocean.

Laughing. Laughing.

Now you can see what I look like.

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Is that your wife? She's hot. :)

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ah. The battle of the avatars.

I'm pretty sure you can't beat this one.

(Well maybe if you can come up with one of you and Jennifer Aniston.)

No Wait! That's my territory.

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 6:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is that Squiggy? High marks for remembering one of the funnier guys on TV back in the day! Did you catch the episode where they premiered Lenny and the Squigtones?

roger — February 2, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.

Old saying. At age 20 we're liberal. At age 40 we're conservative. By age 60 its 50/50 on which one we stick with.

I tied into the SWP because of my interest in the Farm Workers. They were organizing boycotts of PA state stores due to carrying Gallo wines; that company was trying to kill the union. I'd seen enough of the itinerant east coast farmworkers to agree with the need for something - anything - to improve their lot. I didn't stick with the SWP very long - they took themselves too seriously. I was more in tune with the YIP crowd. As for the Democrats - they were already abandoning their traditional working class base (which was where I came from). Guess they saw the factories starting to shut down and got the message/moved on. By then I was astute enough to read the cards - I grew up a WA Senators fan and saw them leave TWICE for more lucrative markets - so by my early 20s I knew all about follow the money trail.

As I think I've said, Libertarianism appeals because of its tenet that the government should stay out of personal matters. Limits are acceptable, but should be restricted to where my behavior can cause you demonstrable harm. I've also noted that I prefer Chomsky's Euro-Libertarianism with its recognition that government has to monitor and control the business world. The American version is predicated on an assumption similar to trickle down economics - that the corporate world has a conscience and will support the common good on their own accord. Hogwash.

And if none of this makes sense... lo siento, mi amigo.

roger — February 2, 2012 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I loved Squiggy and Lenny. Two of the funniest guys on TV. Them and Larry, Daryl and Darrell.

hawkeye — February 2, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

More random musings.

Should have included this previously.

Your little hit job on RWE earlier is, IMO of course, a bit over the top, Nails. It’s pretty obvious that his posts regarding incestuous marriages are facetious. However, it raises a question of why homosexual marriage is looked at differently, quite apparently, than that of incestuous or polygamous marriage. This issue has been raised any number of times over the last year. After all, the idea of marriage between two homosexuals was thought to be nonsense forty years ago.

While love is often times raised as a justification for same sex marriage, it seems to me quite irrelevent. Certainly not all couples marry over love, nor is there any State test for this.

So by what right does one, through government, prohibit others from entering into whatever relationships, with other adults of sound mind, they choose to enter into?

I suspect that RWE and I may be looking at the outcome of this differently, but there are some fundamental issues to all of this which are worthy of consideration.

There has been quite a good discussion on the matter of homosexual marriage going on over in FB during the last week or so. While I believe it is really none of my business who is “married to who”, I will say that I have been much impressed with David Arnett’s comments regarding the difference of civil unions and marriage.

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger. There is a quote which I have sometimes heard attrituted to Winston Churchill. It goes like this:

> Someone who is young and not liberal, will be accused of not having a heart. Someone who is old and not conservative, will be accused of not having a brain.

Taking a quick survey of the internet, I have not found this quote. It is perhaps a misquote. Or perhaps was stated somewhat differently. Of course, the sentiment is the same, albeit, without the stature of Winston.

I was not alive during during Mr. Churchill’s era, so I may not know exactly what he or other’s of his time thought of as liberal or conservative. I am, however, quite sure that those terms have taken on very different meanings over the last couple of hundred years.

As far as I’m concerned, the terms Liberal and Conservative, are bantied about too much, and badly misdefined. If they are defined at all. I.e. there is such a thing as stereotyping. And just where does Libertarian fit into all of this?

While the Left may decry the Right’s invasion into the bedroom, the Right can equally decry the Left’s intrusion into other’s wallets.

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Your little hit job on RWE earlier is, IMO of course, a bit over the top, Nails.*

Rightwing @ 7:52- What is not covered in the study is the "inherent" aspects of Vantucky conservatism. Tell sis I said hi.

If you thought my contribution was over the top, what did you think of your compadre's?

*Nails. It’s pretty obvious that his posts regarding incestuous marriages are facetious.*

I would like to think that. Can you say that to a certainty?

On the topic of marriage.

"The most happy marriage I can imagine to myself would be the union of a deaf man to a blind woman."
- S. T. Coleridge

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit. I do not know Right Wing Extremist. I will likely never know RWE’s identity. Nor does it matter. While words are cheap, and I will never have to prove myself, I will tell you this: I would stake my very life on the facetious backdrop of RWE’s charade of marrying his sister.

> Dude, you really have to start getting your information from somewhere other than Huffpo and MSNBC, they are rotting your brain,-- Rightwing_Extremist — February 2, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.


KNDalai’s third rule to understanding the Left:

> Liberalism, so called, Is a mental disorder.

No offense Mr. Nails.

kn_dalai — February 2, 2012 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


KNDalai’s third rule to understanding the Left:

Liberalism, so called, Is a mental disorder.

No offense Mr. Nails.

None taken my friend. But you would think that I was the one trumpeting a three way marriage with my sister! LOL! Fair try at a turn around, you might be able to take John King's job...but not the Blitzer!

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Jan Brewer Recall Possible As Arizona Collective Bargaining Has Democrats, Unions Planning Protests**

Arizona is the latest front in the war on public employees that has swept the country in the last year. After Wisconsin's approvals, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) had similar legislation passed only to see it overturned in a public referendum last year. Last month, New Hampshire's Tea Party-dominated legislature took up a legislative package similar to that in Arizona.

Many of the bills have been connected to the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative organization which has been providing model legislation to state legislatives nationwide. "We're fighting ALEC and the Goldwater Institute," Friend said of Arizona's battle. "The Goldwater Institute has filled the hearing room with Tea Party folks."

nailingit — February 2, 2012 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, this would normally have to be looked at as a bad joke. But given the GOP primary season -

Comedian Roseanne Barr announced Thursday on Twitter that she was running for the Green Party nomination for president of the United States.

“I am running for Green Party nominee for POTUS. I am an official candidate. I am4 the Greening of America&the; world. Green=peace/justice,” she wrote on Twitter.

“The Democrats and Republicans have proven that they are servants — bought and paid for by the 1% — who are not doing what’s in the best interest of the American people,”

roger — February 3, 2012 at 5:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The end may be near. News this morning is that Newtie is nearly $2 million in debt and is running out of travel money - he's going to have a hard time getting around as much as needed for the next round of primaries. Seems his SuperPac funding is committed to advertising. Donald with the bad haircut endorsed Romney - after spending the past year saying what a loser he is. And word is that Newtie is having a hard time deciding what tack to take next - attacking Romney on the issues and on his money isn't getting the desired result.

Or does Lazarus rise from he dead (again)? Does the Rich Man get sent to everlasting purgatory? PLEASE - someone bail Newtie out!! This is just way too much fun to have it end now.

roger — February 3, 2012 at 5:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I must thank you fot taking up and helping my bidding process. Will you be joining me in the referendum process to end all discrimination?

Rightwing_Extremist — February 3, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- I believe I have the solution for Newt. We haven't done enough for our good friends in the Jewish community. A closer relationship is in order for those that finance Newt, our elections, and our country.

Construction would begin on the slopes of the Mediterranean Sea. The plan centers on using Palestinian slave labor in order to relocate Israel to America. Omaha would be ground zero for the new Tel aviv. SAC would be used to ensure the skies are safe and the Pales work time on task.

The removal of Israel would allow the Red Sea to once again achieve historical significance, it's rushing waters would provide massive flooding, and the earthquakes to follow would destroy much of the region. We would be providing a home to our beloved Jewish brothers and sisters, while at the same time destroying civilizations America doesn't understand or agree with. A win win.

We would honor our Jewish brethren by not only rapturing them from an unfriendly region, but by renaming our country.......hmmmmmm let me think.............:)

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You bet RWE! A bidding process? Are family members cooperating? Always glad to endorse extreme right wing causes! Forget nicknames such as the "the couve", let's become the West Coast Salt Lake City! Nickname contests would take on all kinds of meanings. My warped mind is already linking Salt Lake to Utah birthrates and communal lifestyles!

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 8:48 a.m

OMAHA? Are you serious? Way too much snow. Do they even have a decent deli there? I was thinking Albuquerque. They could rename that since nobody outside of the state can spell it anyway.

hawkeye — February 3, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Albakerky might be better. Kill two birds with one stone! New Mexico...Mexico...the only difference is the 'New'. Rename it "Newt Mexico", the land where plural marriages flourish and cheap child labor abounds!

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What I am tired of is all the people who cheat the system for personal gain 550 million in Washington State alone. You may be one of them who knows but the fact of the matter is we spend way too many tax dollars for rewarding people to be put on public assistance. Extended UE benefits and more. Where does it stop.. It doesn't under this administration. He is just making government bigger and more costly. Its like he is rewarding the poor instead of inspiring them.

vanwadreamer — February 3, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: Post @ — February 2, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.

About Fox being arrested at the committee hearing.
Well it looks like there was another camera in the room. Because who the taping of the arrest? (C-Span) And I wonder if that camera kept rolling when the hearing started?
And, YEAH, it looks bad.

pdxtech91 — February 3, 2012 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- Go to the light...go to the light dude. A clearer reality exists outside of partisan land...

*Nail, What I am tired of is all the people who cheat the system for personal gain 550 million in Washington State alone.*

Then send a note to Herrera-Beutler demanding she stand up to this radical corporatized congress. Insist on regulatory reform, and demand they cease their congressional abuses of the system and allow voting to take place on different aspects of the job bills Obama's put on the table. While you're at it, tell her to stand up for Planned Parenthood, and denounce the war on women the right is enacting.

*He is just making government bigger and more costly.*

**Under Obama, a Record Decline in Government Jobs**

Over all — including a decline of 12,000 public sector jobs in the Labor Department report for December — government employment is down 2.6 percent over the last three years, compared to a decline of 2.2 percent in the early Reagan years. That is a record.

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Extended unemployment benefits are "rewards"?

After losing 3 and a half million jobs in 2008, .... never mind vanwa. Numbers, facts, history, current events...sigh...forget about it.

I think Shep comes on at noon.

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 11:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I've been mistaken. Voter fraud is rampant. In Republican controlled states. From Republican Reps. With Republican support. If these guys don't like America's democratic process...they should feel free to leave.

**Walker Backers Mount Effort To Write In Governor's Name in Democratic Recall Primary**

When asked about his initial impression of the write-in campaign, Wisconsin Democratic Party Spokesman Graeme Zielinksi said it was, “Surprise, then laughter.”

Zielinski said the effort has no chance of succeeding.

**“Republicans seem frightened by democracy and the will of the people** and, given what Scott Walker has done to ruin Wisconsin, they should be,” Zielinski said.

This isn’t the first time Republicans attempted to influence a Democratic primary. During the 8th Senate District recall election, Republican activist Gladys Huber ran in the primary. She was one of several "fake Democrats" who ran in the Democratic primaries across the state. None was successful.

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Very interesting Lars Larson show today...had JHB on and later will have what's his name DeFazio on about the CRC.

ELISI — February 3, 2012 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Anchorwoman Sausage Blooper Spices Up Morning News (VIDEO)**

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 2:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Koch Brothers, Allies Pledge $100 Million At Private Meeting To Beat Obama**

"Conference organizers and their guests successfully slipped in and out of the Coachella Valley without being detected, by buying out nearly all of the 500-plus rooms at the Renaissance Esmeralda resort in Indian Wells," reported The Desert Sun. "The resort closed its restaurants, locked down the grounds with private security guards and sent many workers home."

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

RE: DeFazio and JHB and the CRC bill that is in the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

It is no secret that Oregon and Portland want this measure to pass "as is" and have a bulk of the expense paid by us in SW Washington.

Pete is doing what's best for the folks in OR and Jammie is trying to do something for us in WA. What gets me is that it is a Republican ruled committee and Jamie's amendment went down to defeat so quickly. I guess this is what happens when a freshman tries to get anything done.

The FB comments are as good as the article. (and the big C has to be happy this is the most comments I've seen for any one article)
One comment that didn't make any sense was:

"Unlike. I cannot support someone that would want to waste another $140 million taking this back to the drawing board. What a waste."

My reply would be..."NO! you would rather spend + $3.5 Billion on a bad plan?

pdxtech91 — February 3, 2012 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Matt...maybe you can help...What does it take to be on the TOP of the FB comments when they are categorized by "Social Ranking"?

I understand the "Top Commenter" is written in by the FB User themselves. But I just want to know how someone's comments get push to the Top of the Heap

pdxtech91 — February 3, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

~Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.~

PDX @ 10:37 Check this video out to include Fox's account. I'm not hearing the outrage from so-called Constitutional/Constructionist/Purists about this.

Oh yeah, their the ones that had him arrested!

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

pdxtech91 — February 3, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.

The "Top Commenter" tag is given by FB or the C. The person has no control over that. I think it's assigned after you post ten times, or something like that. As for the ranking, I have no idea. I prefer to read them in chronological order.

hawkeye — February 3, 2012 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Christian Pastor Calls For Starbucks Boycott Over Gay Marriage Support**

A Christian pastor is asking customers to boycott Starbucks due to **the company's support of a bill to legalize gay marriage in Washington state**, King 5 News reports.

"Christians are upset with Starbucks for turning against God...Starbucks can follow Satan if they want to," Steven Andrew, and evangelical pastor and president of the USA Christian Ministries in California, said in a statement. "However, pastors are to help Christians. Are you on the Lord's side? Will you help the USA be blessed by God?"

nailingit — February 3, 2012 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

pdxtech91 — February 3, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.,

Well, after reading today's article on Jaime and the CRC, I gather the pro-CRC crowd finds throwing $3.5 billion into something that won't work preferable. The bottom line is becoming quite clear in this discussion - Clark County will get light rail. Previous votes and whatever the majority of the current population may think is immaterial.

roger — February 4, 2012 at 6:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Republican voter fraud is running rampant!

**Charlie White, Indiana Election Chief, Found Guilty Of Voter Fraud**

A Hamilton County jury found White guilty of six of seven felony charges, including false registration, voting in another precinct, submitting a false ballot, theft and two counts of perjury. He was acquitted on one fraud charge.

White expressed no outward emotion as the verdict was read, and later said outside the courtroom: "'I'm disappointed for my family and the people who supported me."

nailingit — February 4, 2012 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

(Reuters) – J.C. Penney Co Inc said on Friday said it fully backs its partnership with chat show host Ellen DeGeneres after a conservative group urged the retailer to reconsider hiring DeGeneres as a spokeswoman because she is a lesbian.

Penney’s decision to hire DeGeneres spurred conservative group One Million Moms, a division of the American Family Association, to slam the company for not being “neutral in the culture war.”

“Funny that JC Penney thinks hiring an open homosexual spokesperson will help their business when most of their customers are traditional families. More sales will be lost than gained unless they replace their spokesperson quickly,” the organization posted on their website, urging supporters to call their local J.C. Penney store manager to lodge complaints against hiring DeGeneres

hawkeye — February 4, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Is Romney the guy we really need or want? Even the newt has called him out for his actions as CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity group. Seems the newt is oblivious to the fact his attacks play directly into the hand of the Occupy movement. Ain't that sumpin', a good ol' southern boy conservative on the same page with a bunch of flag burners, pothead hippies, and lefty socialists.

I guess they don't like the term "leveraged buyouts", but that's what they do. Not a Ponzi scheme, but still pretty good. So Romney spots some firm, and the hunt is on. They take over the company, then leverage the company to the max. Then the company, not the equity group, is one the hook for the loan(s). Next, all the worthwhile assets are sold off. Employees are canned with no severance pay as that privilege is reserved for the higher up yukky mucks that don't need it anyway. These guys won't eat their own. Now, the company makes interest payments to the equity group-the owners. So instead of paying taxes on dividend income, they pay a much lower rate on the interest income, so in essence, it's a taxpayer subsidy. And it gets better. At the end of the day, if the owned company is worth anything, it's sold the same way over and over. If not, the company moves into bankruptcy, a lot of creditors get stiffed, more jobs are destroyed. Then the hunt moves on, having pocketed millions and haven't created anything of value.

With their pockets full of money and politicians, these guys are untouchable. This is the new face of capitalism, far removed from the early days of Ford Motor Co, where the capitalists created sustainable things of real value. Small wonder the financial industry is awash in money, the markets are doing surprisingly well, but for Joe Lunchbox, his pockets have been picked.

mrd — February 4, 2012 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You might be right about the votes.

Reading the comments on the article. I saw something that reminded me about what you said months ago on how many commuters MAX can handle during rush hour.

By Bob Moon: "...The problem with the whole system is that Neil Goldshmitd convinced them that it should be run on the surface streets which means that the trains CAN NEVER be more than 2 cars long. This is problem that because OREGON started this whole thing ON THE CHEAP no matter what happens now or in the future YOU CAN NOT HAVE A MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM..."

And Mike Briggs went from Living in Washougal, WA to works ar Civic Activist.

pdxtech91 — February 4, 2012 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Happy SuperBowl basement!

Pats 31 Giants 20

**What Time Is The Super Bowl?: 2012's Game Start Time And More You Need To Know About It**

nailingit — February 5, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Enjoy the Super Bowl, everyone! Drive safely coming home.

Stephanie Rice: Thank you for your article about the suicide prevention education program in Battle Ground, plus all the references on where to go in Clark County for help. Important stuff. Responsible journalism. We need to do more to take the stigma away. We are losing our precious children while we hesitate to tackle this important public health problem.

John Laird: You keep getting better and better and I appreciate the humorous look at a series topic today. I lost my cool this week over our state legislature's crazy priorities. I wish I had your skill of using humor to drive home a point. Can you teach me how?

All Politics is Local bloggers: You rock! My favorite part of The Columbian comes from your hard work and witty insights.

Forum Friends: Have a fantastic day and good week ahead. It is only geting better. :)

manthou — February 5, 2012 at 9:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Same to you manthou. Let's lend some gender equality to this male dominated sport!

Happy LingerieBowl!

Temptation 31 Passion 30 (Salerno with a long ball late hook up to her fav wide reciever)

:) All kidding aside, these ladies are extremely talented and play hard.

nailingit — February 5, 2012 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 5, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.,

Are you going to call a winner for the Puppy Bowl?

roger — February 5, 2012 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- As long as his team doesn't dig itself too many holes, and are able to hold the number of butt-sniffing penalties at bay, I'll scoop up **Anthony** as MVP.

My God, Michael Irving and Warren Sapp anchoring football commentary, the average Super Bowl ticket going for around three grand, Madonna providing half-time entertainment...

...we are truly in the end times.

nailingit — February 5, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just think if we had a pair of anal glands. Would our family and friends pass the smell test?


*~~~*Why Dogs Sniff Each Other's Butts*~~~*

Do you ever wonder why dogs sniff each other’s butts? Whether the dogs are new acquaintances or old ones, they meet up and immediately run to the rear. Most people believe this is their way of saying “hello.“ However, this belief is a myth. Dogs sniff each other’s butts for a much deeper reason.

Dogs have two anal glands in their rectums, which emit a strong scent. Dogs sniff each other’s butts in order to get a whiff of it. The aroma they smell gives them detailed information about the other dog.

The aroma emitted from a dog’s butt tells other dogs vital information about him. It tells his sex, health status and temperament. Therefore, on a first meeting, two unacquainted dogs know if they want to befriend each other or not. So what does that mean to us? We need to trust our dog’s instincts.

If he doesn’t like another dog, there is probably a good reason. The other dog doesn't pass the sniff test. So let nature take its course. Allow your dog choose his own friends because in the long run he nose best.

Continue reading on Why Dogs Sniff Each Other's Butts - National Dogs | Examiner.com

nailingit — February 5, 2012 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...random thoughts on a sunny day....

nothing is as beautiful as wood ducks pecking at oats on the lawn

good, bad, heroic...everything dies.

trees are always better prognosticators than weathermen when predicting the coming of spring.

humans can make only one thing - tools. how we use them can made a paradise or exterminate all life.

enjoy the sunny day, friends

DeeLittle — February 5, 2012 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Of Romney, meanwhile, Gingrich said: "I had never before seen a person who I thought was a serious candidate for president be that fundamentally dishonest."

Guess our boy Newtie hasn't looked in a mirror lately. But he wouldn't know anyhow.

roger — February 5, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Not that good a game, but the closeness kept it exciting.

Madonna's show was boring. She looked uncoordinated and out of step with her moves. If not for the guests it would have been a dud. And it seems the girl with the M on her outfit is being accused of flipping the bird. Ho Hum.

There were a few amusing commercials. The Doritos one with the dog burying the cat and buying the guy off was my favorite. But, being a cat person, the product is now permanently banned in this house!

roger — February 5, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry, nailingit, but the MVP of the hotly contested Puppy Bowl was Fumbles. He looked like Troy Polamalu out there, playing a swarming defense with reckless abandon that had the other pooches intimidated.

roger — February 5, 2012 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I enjoyed the Chrysler commercial (Clint Eastwood for President) , the Audi commercial and the one with Betty White. Darn near anything with Betty White is good.;=fb

hawkeye — February 5, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

John Laird is down on Don Benton for introducing an English is the official language bill.

On the one hand, I agree with Manthou that this is one of many instances of stupid legislation introduced in what's supposed to be an emergency session to deal with budget shortfalls.

However, consider that we provide services, instructions, etc, in countless different languages - what does this cost us? And would this be necessary if we had an official language?

And let's get real. This official English movement arose in response to the Chicano nationalism movement and their most visible political party La Raza Unida. In the late 60's and 70's La Raza was about improving the socio-economic condition of the Latino. But by the 80's they'd shifted direction and were advocating a separate nation. From their website discussing their 1980 convention - "At this convention we took the position that our struggle was for the Liberation of Aztlan, and that Aztlan is composed of five southwestern states; California, Arizona, Nuevo Mexico, Tejas and Colorado."

But that is, or was, in the Southwest. Do we have this problem in the Northwest? Everyone I've met here, whether from Mexico, El Salvador, Russia, Eastern Europe, or elsewhere, all attempt to speak English (with varying degrees of success). The way its supposed to be - without a law mandating it.

roger — February 5, 2012 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Darn near anything with Betty White is good." -- Hawkeye

My son also finds her hilarious. I've never completely understood her appeal. She's been on game shows and a support actress on TV comedies for as long as I can remember. But considering she's in her 90's - kudos to the old girl. I hope I've got a tenth of her energy and zest for life when/if I make it that far.

roger — February 5, 2012 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Really Hawkeye. So you like Eastwood for president?

Of course you are aware of Mr. Eastwood's Republican and Libertarian predeliction.

> Academy award-winning actor Clint Eastwood told The Daily Caller that the Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is “as good as anybody else” in the race but that he will decide on a candidate in another month or two after “listening to all that crap on television.”

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> George H.W. Bush, trailing Democrat Michael Dukakis in the heat of the 1988 presidential campaign, briefly but seriously considered Hollywood renaissance man Clint Eastwood to be his running mate, a former Bush aide says.




kn_dalai — February 5, 2012 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yes, I'm sure you think he's a bad guy but he's also a business man that understands how the world really works. I talked with him for a half an hour over a nice scotch one afternoon and found him quite intelligent and knowledgeable. Anyway, what world leader would screw with him? I mean, it is a 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

hawkeye — February 5, 2012 at 9:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Seems to me you're the one that has things mixed up. Would you care to call Clint a Republican't. And want about those Libertarian sentiments!

kn_dalai — February 5, 2012 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Fumbles was a ringer. The game was fixed!

Passion gives in to Temptation.

And a Manning gets another ring. It ain't right.

nailingit — February 5, 2012 at 10:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nope, I wouldn't call Clint a Republican't, mostly because he isn't. A Libertarian, maybe, a realist - yes. I don't believe he is one to place labels on anyone including himself.

hawkeye — February 5, 2012 at 10:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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