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**Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Arrests 6-Year-Old Undocumented Immigrant**
By Judd Legum on Jun 17, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Joe Arpaio, the controversial Arizona Sheriff from Maricaopa County, arrested a 6-year-old undocumented immigrant on Friday. The move came the same day President Obama announced a new policy halting deportations for young undocumented immigrants.
The Arizona Republic has the story:

**Top Conservative Evangelical Leader Supports New Obama Immigration Policy, Urges GOP To ‘Applaud The President’**
By Annie-Rose Strasser and Scott Keyes on Jun 15, 2012 at 3:16 pm
WASHINGTON, DC — Dr. Richard Land, a top conservative evangelical leader, came out strongly in favor of President Obama’s new immigration policy today, slamming Republicans who would call the move “amnesty.”
On the same day that President Obama announced a plan to give young undocumented people the ability to work in the United States, Land told ThinkProgress at the Faith & Freedom Conference in Washington, D.C. that Mitt Romney and other Republican leaders need to take a hard look at their own stances on immigration issues, especially in regard to youth “haven’t done anything wrong.”

mr_basil_seal — June 18, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

just saying.....

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Basil, seems like Joe would have better things to do but I guess you gotta catch them while they are young and before they are here for five years.

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

One or two that post here would be right at home with these guys. They love to hate, and they hate to love...

**Montana Republican Convention: GOP Showcases Bullet-Ridden 'Obama' Outhouse**

Delegates took pictures with the outhouse, which featured what was described as a "fake birth certificate" for Obama in an effort to showcase the birther movement, The Missoulian reported. State Republican Chairman Will Deschamps dismissed the outhouse, which also made sexual references to First Lady Michelle Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, as a "sideshow."

“It’s not something I’m going to agonize over,” Deschamps told The Missoulian.

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.

Wonder what the Paulite delegates' reaction was......

mr_basil_seal — June 18, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

btw, Paul McCarthy's birthday.... 70th......

mr_basil_seal — June 18, 2012 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You mean Lulu, actually sang more than ONE song????

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — June 18, 2012 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Drift, any thoughts?

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- Mind if I weigh in? Education is great. We need more of it to include myths & truths about other "recreational" drugs. Parents who are uninformed/ill informed and speak to their kids about it, are worse than those who won't address the topic at all. Kinda like depending on Fox news for a source of truth. :) Kids aren't stupid, but they tend to trust us as parents. Break that trust, with misinformation designed to "scare" them, only makes them distrustful, as will as smart. A lethal combination which can cause the most focused of youth to choose a less desirable path than what we would want for them.

Knowledge provides a gateway to empowerment.

*Gretchen Burns Bergman, a fashion show producer from San Diego, has two grown sons who struggled with heroin addiction, including one who served prison time. Founder of a group called Moms United to End the War on Drugs, she hopes more parents will support legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana as a relatively safe option compared to hard drugs.
"We've been talking down to our kids for far too long," she said. "It widens the divide if we say the stuff is just terrible, and they're not seeing the bad effects. It's just scare tactics, and they disbelieve us."
Indeed, marijuana activists make the case to parents that pot is less dangerous than alcohol.*

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 11:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Absolutely Incredible!!!** No death panels...just leave them to die.

Welcome to the Ron Paul revolution.

**Richard Mourdock Claim That Employers Should Not Have To Cover Cancer Sparks Attacks**

Democrats are hammering Indiana GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock over his statement that employers should not have to cover cancer in their insurance plans if they don't want to.

Mourdock, the state treasurer, argued in a newspaper interview last week that not only should employers not have to cover health care services that they oppose, such as contraception, but they also should be exempt from paying for anything they do not want to include, based on costs.

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Hey Drift, any thoughts?"

Sure. I saw that article in the Columbo this morning and was interested in the facebook comments, but I couldn't find it in the "e-version" of the C.

I think nail (pretty much) hit the high spots. I'm always blown-out by the folks that use the welfare of the children in their battle cry for prohibition, hawk.

Myself, as a grandparent, I truly wish cannabis was legal. With legality would come regulation (and hopefully) real education. I'm sure you've heard it many times, "Pot is easier for a kid to get than beer. Dope peddlers don't ask their customer's age."

I've always been quite honest with both my children and (now) with my grands about cannabis. They have no curiousity about it. It isn't some deep dark mystery that the grownups are keeping to themselves.

It's to early to tell what the results of that will be with the grands. I can tell you that between six kids (between she and I) one has a substance abuse problem. And I think that would have happened if she'd been raised in a nunnery. Sometimes it's just the way of it. 'Specially with folks struggling with mental issues.

Fear, hawk, is a very strong emotion. Fear will have a person acting irrationally. I believe this is the phenomenon with folks screaming, "The Kids! What of the kids?!"

What of them? Love them. Rear them. Educate them. Protect them. Do Not Lie To Them.

Drift — June 18, 2012 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 1:03 p.m

This must be the year of "the idiot candidate". These guys are coming out against everything. Amazing....

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — June 18, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.

Right on, Drift. I cannot/will not argue with that. The worst thing you can do is lie to a child. As soon as they find out you are lying, you've lost their trust.

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 1:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 1:03- This is why the insurance contraception coverage issue was so important to the GOP, and most republicans don't even realize it. It will lend power to refuse anything.

Accuse Obama of going after guns and religion if you will, of which there is no evidence. You like this more?

**Wake up Republicans!!! This is a freaking corporate takeover!!! What will it take for some of you to open your eyes??? Cancer???**

You republicans and so-called libertarians are on board with this?? Remember the debate in which the Paul sheeple applauded people dying without insurance??


nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Another story to compliment the cancer issue. This is just sad. We need to grill all wannabee & elected Republicans with regards to these issues.

This why Jesus this the country we want our kids growing up into?

**Eric Hovde, GOP Senate Candidate: Press Should Stop Writing Sob Stories About Poor People**

During the Q&A; portion of the event, Hovde expressed his support for lowering the corporate tax rate, tackling the country's spending problems and lowering the national debt.

Then, pointing to a reporter in the audience, Hovde said he would love to see the press stop covering sad stories about low-income individuals who can't get benefits and start covering issues like the deficit more frequently.

"I see a reporter here," he said. "I just pray that you start writing about these issues. I just pray. Stop always writing about, 'Oh, the person couldn't get, you know, their food stamps or this or that.' You know, I saw something the other day -- it's like, another sob story, and I'm like, 'But what about what's happening to the country and the country as a whole?' That's going to devastate everybody."

In fact, journalists already give short shrift to stories about individuals struggling in the recession.

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey boys and girls... Oops. That's the wrong wrong marketing material. Where's my "mature audiences" stuff? Here we go.

Ladies and gentlemens, I'm proud to announce another book signing! Wow, this writer gig really keeps a guy hoping, eh?

That there Iron Horse Garage is owned by none other than Fried Fred. He goes by Wild Bill these days, but back then he was Fred - a character in the book (he's still a character).

Speaking of: Stone, Gator and possibly Stretch will be in attendance. ...more characters.

As you can see from the information, were trying to raise a few bones for the folks coming back from "over there" what could use a hand.

If you happen to be in the neighborhood, or've nothing else to do that day, come look at cars and bikes and shoot the breeze.

Drift — June 18, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- I've had kind of a nutty idea as of late. (no surprise!) A couple of times I've almost suggested on the forum some of us get together and meet. It would only compromise anonymity to a small degree, and I think it would be cool to meet some that post here. With your permission & out of respect, maybe your book signing would be a great place to do it. I've had issues (perhaps my own ineptness) posting to your blog and would look forward to seeing you again and jacking the jaws a bit more this time..

Sound like a good idea? If so, any takers? Right or left it doesn't matter. We're all in this thing called life together till we die. I'm not the most sociable person around. But I could do this.


nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Then again...maybe not the greatest idea in the world...;)


Hot meaningful info for today's conservative...sounds like Bristol shares her Mother's distaste for commitment.

Meanwhile, in the world of media nobody's trying to be somebody's...**Mike Huckabee: Bristol Palin Stood Me Up, Now She's 'Fair Game'**

“We had said earlier in the hour that Bristol Palin would be joining us about a new reality show that she’s gonna be doing and, apparently, she just didn’t show up,” Huckabee said.

"In response, Huckabee told his listeners he wouldn't watch Palin's new show..."

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I didn't mean to blow up the forum with the idea of a meet.

Perhaps some think it's..."social"ism!

nailingit — June 18, 2012 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Challenge-response techniques called "CAPTCHAs" designed to keep spambots off Web sites can easily be broken by humans who are paid to type in the responses, according to a new report from security firm Imperva.

CAPTCHAs, which stands for Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart, are created by programs and are intended to be difficult for computers to fill out.

"One of its inherent flaws today is that it can be easily bypassed by outsourcing it to human solvers for a very low cost," the study (PDF) says. "When the CAPTCHA is solved for the attacker by other humans, it doesn't matter how good it is at distinguishing humans from machines. Therefore, a CAPTCHA alone is not enough to guarantee the security and the content quality of the site."

Bad CAPTCHAs can also turn people away if they are difficult or annoying to complete. To avoid this, the report suggests creating mini-games or using CAPTCHAs only when there is suspicious behavior.

hawkeye — June 18, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From the comments on *Vancouver council OKs sending parks levy to voters
It would cost a homeowner $70 a year*

" Since it is the homeowners who are going to have to pay why would we vote yes in the first place? Most homeowners have a back yard and, therefore, a personal park and recreation center. "

mr_basil_seal — June 19, 2012 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And, even more idiotic is Sowell pontificating way outside his area of expertise on autism.

As explained by a writer in the IBD.

Oh, sorry. He is writing in his area of expertise.

Water carrier for right wing talking points......

mr_basil_seal — June 19, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**GOP goes after military rape victims**

Women in the military are already vulnerable to rape, but even more dehumanizing is the fact that they are the only federal employees who are not able to access abortion in the cases of rape or incest. If a woman in the armed services is raped and becomes pregnant (as happens in a few hundred cases a year), she has to pay for her abortion herself and often if she’s abroad, travel off-base.

nailingit — June 19, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I found it strange that Sowell's examples of improperly defined items all included things conservatives don't like-right out of a tea-bagger's playbook. What are the odds that would happen?

But perhaps he's got a point. Maybe we should re-define poor to mean worse off than the poor in Sudan, then the problem would just go away. We can say America's great because our poor folks our richer than everyone else's poor folks. Our un-educated poor are smarter than yours. Our sick people are healthier than your sick folks so our healthcare system really works. You could solve a lot of problems this way.

mrd — June 19, 2012 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***Baby soaps and shampoos trigger positive marijuana tests***

Commonly used baby soaps and shampoos, including products from Johnson & Johnson, Aveeno and CVS, can trigger a positive result on newborns' marijuana screening tests, according to a recent study. A minute amount of the cleansing products in a urine sample — just 0.1 milliliters or less — was found to cause a positive result.

Researchers at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, began studying the issue after an unusually high number of newborns in their nursery began testing positive for marijuana exposure. Newborn screening for marijuana at hospitals, particularly among babies of women who are considered at high risk of drug use, is not uncommon: at U.N.C. Chapel Hill, 10% to 40% of newborns are tested.

Positive results can precipitate an investigation by child welfare authorities. "We really did this to help protect families from being falsely accused," study co-author Dr. Carl Seashore, a pediatrician in the U.N.C. Chapel Hill newborn nursery, told My Health News Daily.

Soaps that were specifically associated with false-positive marijuana test results include Johnson & Johnson’s Bedtime Bath, CVS Night-Time Baby Bath, Aveeno Baby Soothing Relief Creamy Wash and Aveeno Baby Wash & Shampoo.

Other products, such as Johnson’s Head-to-Toe Baby Wash, CVS Baby Wash, Baby Magic and even standard hospital gel hand soap, also indicated the presence of marijuana metabolites when tested, but not at sufficient levels to qualify as a positive result according to the hospital lab's standards.

hawkeye — June 19, 2012 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And hawk, what's the beef in first friggin' place?!

Yeah, I know, a "weed blog" 'prolly isn't a good source to quote. Nonetheless the study exists. I'd find the pdf (or whatever), but I just awoke from a nap and I'm still feeling a bit lazy. And I got dishes to go do.

Hmm, maybe I should do some search-engine-research instead? Naw, last night's refried beens are starting to stink. I'd better get off'a me butt. ;^)

Drift — June 19, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Drift, I just thought it was funny (weird) that 1) they test for that and 2) that baby shampoo can trigger it and 3) that so many shampoos triggered it. Go figure.

hawkeye — June 19, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It's all about the witch hunt, hawk. Are you aware that anandamide (an endocannabinoid) is the biological analog of THC? That anandamide induces suckling in newborns? And there's this:,0

Drift — June 20, 2012 at 6:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Was it something I said...?

Drift — June 20, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The thing about morning sickness doesn't surprise me at all. It's good for the nerves. I'll bet it would be great for motion sickness. HEY, you might know about that! (LOL)

hawkeye — June 20, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The first time I went to sea on the carrier I got sea sick. I soon became acclimated, however. Err, or... something like that ;^)

Drift — June 20, 2012 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And who would push for prvitizing SS? Republicans, teabaggers? Who else?

"The "aging workforce" narrative serves to encourage and support the critics who claim that our problem is too many retirees lining up to collect their entitlements only to find that the government has failed to properly manage the Social Security Trust -- leaving the next generation of beneficiaries to be shortchanged 25 years down the line. As a result, the privatization pushers argue that Americans would be far better off looking out for their own retirement accounts so that government mismanagement will not come between hard-working citizens and their retirement money.

This is the Great American Social Security Lie.

It is a lie concocted by those seeking to fulfill Wall Street's eternal quest to get its sweaty palms on trillions of dollars of our retirement cash, allowing them to expand their casino operations beyond their wildest imaginations -- and Wall Street has a very healthy imagination."

mrd — June 21, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal;=&pnt;=671&lb;=


Acorn, Black Panther takeover, Shirley Sherrod, Sharia Law,, TV Glee, Birtherism.........onandonandon. Fox News has the Lemmings going on this one! Why it's just...cRAYzy!

Issa finally gets his trophy
Darrell Issa's contempt vote was a long time coming after big promises and little to show

nailingit — June 21, 2012 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


executive privilege means that people who advise the president don't have to divulge that advice.

so....this means that obama DID know....or why is he claiming the privilege?

DeeLittle — June 21, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

:))) To point...

nailingit — June 21, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Conservatives. They are ruining our country. One vote at a time.

**Yes, Iraq Definitely Had WMD, Vast Majority Of Polled Republicans Insist**

Rather than a failure of the media, therefore, this latest poll result seems to indicate a refusal -- unique to the modern Republican Party -- to acknowledge facts.

According to this poll, an even larger proportion of Republican respondents who said Iraq had WMD -- 64 percent -- said they have either always believed (or have come to believe) that Barack Obama was born in another country, which he was not.

Overall, the poll found Republicans to be considerably more militaristic in their worldview than Democrats and independents.;=Politics

nailingit — June 21, 2012 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

you folks worying about "executive privilege" need to do some homework. it's not about "executive privilege" being invoked here to hide something, it's about not releasing White House INTERNAL documents, memos, etc, in other words, things used to come to a position. I don't remember the name of the legal term used here, I think it's something like "deliberative privilege" which means the White House (the same privilege extends to Congress) does not have to divulge documents that show or reflect the deliberation process used to arrive at a position- the subjects that are discussed in private, but simply the documents available to arrive at the decision, which the Justice Dept has willingly released. (Obama's detractors should continue to go after his birth certificate, at least that exposes them for what they are) So in other words, this is a witch hunt beyond belief. Perhaps our esteemed Congress should go after another ball player accussed of steroid use or an attorney general or some other matter of national importance, after all, with things going so well, why would they worry about Social Security, China, the European market crisis, Iran, N Korea, etc.....

mrd — June 21, 2012 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional**


nailingit — June 22, 2012 at 12:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A little something to think about:
If there is something that is law, and you do not necessarily agree with it, then there are actions to take to change the law. One of those acts should not be to violate the law.
It appears as though we are slowly allowing those violations to change the law.
Marijuana is an illegal drug and therefore illegal to possess, cultivate, and use. We are now at the brink of it being legal. How did this happen?
First, many were arrested and convicted of this violation. So many that they soon began reducing sentences for violators. Then the classification of the violation got downgraded.
Then it got to the point that if one was in possession of a certain limited amount, you would only have it confiscated, but you would not be sited. Then came the Medical use law (another story altogether).
So now we are at a point where legalization is now a viable option. What does that say about our government that has allowed violating the law to be a means to change the law? Will a sudden outbreak of murders become a grounds for legalizing unlawful deaths?
I am not saying whether I believe we should legalize marijuana or not. It appears as though I am in the minority these days on this issue. But I believe the arguments many put forward in favor are very weak to say the least. I am just appalled at how we got here.
Many are going to respond to this by picking out one portion of my post and attacking it, and not concern themselves with the point I am trying to make.
We now can change law by breaking it.

danabwoodley — June 22, 2012 at 3:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

danabwoodley — June 22, 2012 at 3:07 a.m.--- "If there is something that is law, and you do not necessarily agree with it, then there are actions to take to change the law. One of those acts should not be to violate the law. It appears as though we are slowly allowing those violations to change the law."

Boston Tea Party, Underground Railroad, prohibition era speakeasies, ignoring "separate but equal" and unlawful assembly, burning draft cards, backroom abortion, etc, etc.

Nothing new under the sun. When mainstream America (whatever that may be anymore) starts breaking a law, willfully and without remorse, then our lawmakers tend to take notice.

roger — June 22, 2012 at 5:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And I believe the arguments many put forward in favor of prohibition are very weak, to say the least.

Drift — June 22, 2012 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Kansas’ nasty new tax plan**
Here's how it works when conservatives control everything: The wealthy get coddled and the poor get a bum's rush

Kansas is special. In most American states in which Republicans control the state legislature, the GOP busies itself with redistricting efforts designed to minimize the chances of Democratic electoral success. But in Kansas, the fight is over new districts cooked up to get rid of moderate Republicans. Similarly, nearly all Republican-dominated states are working hard to limit the ability of women to get abortions, but only in Kansas will you hear a state legislator compare rape to a flat tire.

Something is clearly the matter with Kansas, so it may be it’s not the wisest idea to go overboard extrapolating from the state’s behavior to potential developments on the national scene. On the other hand, if you’re wondering what complete Republican control of the U.S. government at the federal level would look like, Kansas does offer some clues.

Take taxes, for example. Last week, Kansas House and Senate negotiators agreed on a new tax plan that will sharply cut income taxes for wealthy state residents while at the same time raising taxes on the poor. The result, predictably, will be a shortfall in state revenue that will undoubtedly force additional cuts to state services.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities provides the analysis, but you don’t have to trust the left-leaning think tank for the spin. A newly formed group of retired Kansas Republican legislators are also declaring that enough is enough. The bottom line is this: If you’re wealthy enough and smart enough to structure your business affairs correctly, you can avoid both corporate taxes and income taxes. But if you’re poor, you will have to choose between whether you qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit, or a state-funded rebate on sales taxes charged on groceries. One or the other! Not both! Because if there is a tax loophole that favors working-class Americans, we’d better close it!

The details are different, but the basic outline is similar to the ideas codified in Paul Ryan’s Mitt Romney-endorsed budget: We’ll pay for tax cuts for the wealthy by cutting services that help the poor. Romney might not be as conservative as Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback, but when the bills passed by a GOP-controlled Legislature start arriving on his desk, his response will be identical: He’ll sign it.

nailingit — June 22, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***Breaking news alert***

Archbishop’s Aide Guilty of Endangerment in Abuse Case

A Philadelphia jury on Friday found Msgr. William J. Lynn guilty on one count of endangering the welfare of children in the first trial of a Roman Catholic official for covering up the sexual abuse of children by priests under his supervision. He was acquitted on two other counts.

Read More:

***One count, he'll probably get a slap on the wrist---- and enjoy it!***

hawkeye — June 22, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

In the same vein Jerry Sandusky, big shot serial child rapist at yet ANOTHER Catholic institution was found guilty on 45 of 48 counts of differing child based sex crimes. Look for huge lawsuits against Penn State. They should reassign staff and students to other institutions and bulldoze the whole damned place.

Then torch the Vatican. The world would be a better place.

nailingit — June 22, 2012 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Republicans Are Blocking Obama's Jobs Plan**

President Obama's ideas are not radical ones. Many of them, like investing in infrastructure, encouraging clean energy and allowing businesses to expense new investments, were supported by Gov. Romney in the past. But, as a presidential candidate, he has decided to reposition himself as a believer in the same excessive budget cutting that has choked off the economic recovery in Europe and plunged that continent into another economic crisis.

Republicans in Congress are the only thing that is preventing these measures from putting more Americans back to work right now. If Mitt Romney really wanted to get job growth going, he would tell his Republican colleagues to stop blocking the president's proposals.

nailingit — June 22, 2012 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning all, a slow week in the cellar. Let me start off by saying that I just read the comments on the story about rising sea levels on the C.

Conclusion? Might as well be depressed as the level of ignorance, stupidity, and downright nastiness reigning in Clark County has reached new lows. While such articles tend to bring out the fringe, it is appalling how much denial grows around here. Zero knowledge about anything related to science. Did I move to the wrong place when we settled here a few years back? Did these people never learn about science in high school?

luvithere — June 23, 2012 at 7:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Same crowd will tell you evolution is a scam, religion is fact, and a lot of other silliness. Oh, and don't forget that cow flatulence is a major greenhouse contributor. (Haven't heard this applied to people.)

However, they have a valid contention - that much of the science that backs global warming appears to discount the cyclical nature of climate change over the centuries. And, whether true or not, the exposition of the contrived data used in studies a few years back fed the anti-global warming backlash.

No one wants to consider that the world has a finite capacity to support life. I'm not claiming to know exactly what the limit is, but I figure 7 billion people are doing a good job of stretching it to the limit. (And yes, Nails, this is my way of interjecting that we need to take a serious look at human population control measures if we want to preserve all life on this planet.)

roger — June 23, 2012 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

THEY'RE HERE..........

"An unclassified 2011 U.S. Air Force document revealed Portland’s status as a drone home. first reported on the document last week, followed by Wired.

The Air Force document shows “current and projected” U.S. Defense Department operations involving “remote-piloted aircraft” at two Oregon sites, Arlington and Portland."

The article also states police are "under intense pressure" to begin using drones. Problem is, you can't find the source of that pressure. The police chiefs of several large cities, including Seattle, where critized for testing drones without informing anyone. I didn't see any concern expressed for the actual testing of drones mind you, just the lack keeping other beaurocrats in the loop.
The scary part is the Air Force has said drone missions will not target the general public, but any info collected will be accessible to virtually any government agency. So in other words, if you happen to be under a drone, the government can use your pictures any way they please. Good grief.

mrd — June 23, 2012 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I've mentioned the surveillance aircraft that flies over Vancouver quite regularly. Heck, a few years back I even got the "What's Up With That?" column to look into it. It drones (heh) along in an elliptical path. I'm not sure of the altitude.

A couple of days ago it was over an area spanning around 500 to Mill Plain, Falk to Andresen. Though I'm hard of hearing I pick up low frequencies better than most. I recognize it from the other small aircraft without even looking. It flies just above stall speed.

Visually it's easy to pick out. It's path is a giveaway... and the black wing tips. With binoculars one can see the fin has "something" attached to it, as well as the port side of the fuselage (pilot side).

Like I said, it's up there often. It'll be back when the weather clears. Look for it. The thing is, no one seems to want to reveal exactly what they are looking at or for. And, no one seems to care.

Would it matter if there wasn't a pilot in the cockpit?

No, I'm not a whacko paranoid. Again, when you hear that small plane circling, take a look for yourself.

Drift — June 23, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger - agreed. I happens to also believe that the earth underwent natural climate change a number of times in its past (see ice age, etc., usw., and so forth). What gets me is the total disregard for a: we contribute to it now and accelerate it, and b: need to do something to protect ourselves from changes. Even if you do not think we contribute to change, why in the world would you also ignore the signs of the change? Don't answer- I know the answer. Throwing out the baby with the bath water. And yea, I agree with you with the finite population. We stretched it to the max, and it is not sustainable. However, bring up any population control and you would be accused of acting like the Chinese gov.

luvithere — June 23, 2012 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd & drift

I'm still waiting for one to look into my windows or wander around above my home. I still need some shotgun practice. And again I will repeat....... PULL!!!

hawkeye — June 23, 2012 at 11:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Tater gun, hawk... I'm tellin' ya. They aren't a firearm, and you can load them with grapeshot. I mean literally. A couple hands full of grapes traveling at 90 mph would (most likely) end its snooping.

The funny thing about my place and air surveillance: The winter months aren't very conducive to the endeavor. In the summer my property is under tree canopies. A Google sat pic shows nothing more than the peak of my roof.

Oh, and I have my own UAVs. Dog fight? Heh!

Drift — June 23, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Pot vs. Vicodin or Colorado vs. the DEA?

Drift — June 23, 2012 at 11:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

drift, what do you use for a wad? Tater first then grapes? Or just about anything messy? How about tater salad?

hawkeye — June 23, 2012 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A wet shop rag works good, hawk. One of those big blue ones (larger than the smaller red ones). They cram in pretty darned tight.

Drift — June 23, 2012 at 12:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***OK, now this is a gutsy move, I love it. Too bad Jamie doesn't have any of this kind of moxey.***

Just days after being sworn in as Gabrielle Giffords' successor, Rep. Ron Barber, D-Ariz., is carrying on his old boss' tradition by holding his first "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Tucson grocery store.

Barber plans to meet with his constituents at a Safeway this afternoon, although a different location from where a gunman killed six people at Giffords' January 2011 event. In total, 13 people were wounded, including Giffords and Barber, who had worked as her aide.

"This event is the first of many I will hold so that I can be accessible to all of my constituents throughout Southern Arizona," Barber said in a statement. "I will not become isolated in Washington. My work at the Capitol will be influenced by what I hear and learn here in Arizona."

The event is scheduled to last an hour and a half.

Barber, who was shot in the face and leg, was sworn in Tuesday after a special election was held to fill the remainder of Giffords' term. The newest congressman said he plans to run again in November.

Before she resigned on January 25, one of Giffords' final acts was to finish the "Congress on Your Corner" event that had been interrupted by gunfire one year earlier.

hawkeye — June 23, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- *(And yes, Nails, this is my way of interjecting that we need to take a serious look at human population control measures if we want to preserve all life on this planet.)*

A serious discussion about any problem necessitates ideas concerning possible solutions. (or in this case perhaps dissolution :) At the risk of sounding like a Chinese government operative, what are some ideas you have to fix this?

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

here's a few starters for the US.

Eliminate the deductions on the federal tax returns for more than 2 children. Health care insurance puts more out of pocket expenses on the parent(s)for the third, fourth, When a woman delivers her second child, birth control is provided for free as long as necessary. Voluntary sterilization for men and women is made free, or at very low cost.
Nothing will work, however, as long as many people believe having a boatload of kids is a right, and they'll exercise it to the fullest.

mrd — June 23, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For America's part we could feed pagan babies to the rich and outsource the elderly with the Ryan plan. It would take some kind world order to go global. (UH OH!)

Besides, according to conservative Christian theology, God's going to kill off 2/3 anyway and keep the select few to start a new kingdom.

Where's the faith?

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No problem here with voluntary euthanasia. Let the the good times roll.

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd- With all due respect, I don't think eliminating deductions on American's federal tax returns for more than 2 children would make much of a dent in what some perceive as a global overpopulation problem. Just poorer kids.

*Nothing will work, however, as long as many people believe having a boatload of kids is a right,*

Are you suggesting the Federal government should impose limits to child bearing? Catholic & Mormon conservatives already crap their pants at the thought contraceptive use, let alone believe abortion is murder.

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I like mrd's idea about tax returns however, I think it should be eliminated altogether. People will justify the cost for two kids but it gets harder for the next ones. And it's not just the Catholics and Mormons, it's the Russian and the Apostolic faiths as well. Don't believe me, spend some time in Battle Ground.

hawkeye — June 23, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- *And it's not just the Catholics and Mormons* Of course it's not. Those two sects are emblematic. Again, should our Federal government be able to mandate the number of children American citizens produce?

We could revise tax code and remove benefits for children and those that produce them. Good luck getting that through congress as well as the political fallout for those that would advocate for it. It does kinda sounds baggerish though, and it would not begin to put a dent for the problem at hand. Is it the right direction to have government mandate something as personal as the number of offspring??

I think imposing strong regulations that address global environmental concerns would not only be much more viable, but doable. This is one area that big Global governments need to be on the same page.

Then again, Republicans want to throw measures such as this back to the states. Zero continuity results in zero effectiveness for our country, let alone the world at hand. We are just a small piece of the pie.

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The key to pop growth is education and access to birth control. Education as it opens one's eyes to what climate change and population growth actually mean. Birth control,...well, we all know what that could do to population.

Isn't it Brasil where education/access/plus work opportunity pretty much reduced the birth rate down to zilch? Within 1-2 generations? Might have the country wrong but the continent is correct.

luvithere — June 23, 2012 at 4:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit- Unfortunately education's key has broken off in the lock of the GOP. It doesn't matter. All you have to do is tell them it's the black Kenyan in the White House that is the source of all that's wrong. Check out the applause during Perry's delusional answer.

We have to reconcile that many people are just what you have described...*Might as well be depressed as the level of ignorance, stupidity, and downright nastiness reigning in Clark County has reached new lows.*

If any progress is to made globally, other countries seem much more adept than ours.

Perhaps we should have a "no creationism" litmus test for elected officials. So many are just downright willfully and stubbornly ignorant. And we all suffer for it.

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This guy is a hero to conservatives. How are we as a country ever going to effect meaningful change when absolute idiots such as Perry are considered Presidential material???

Just think Dubya Bush. For t-w-o t-e-r-m-s!!!!! The American people are capable of anything.

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Vantucky makes the Huffington Post! She's hot & she can fight! Dang! Run for office!

Priscilla Dang, Martial Arts Expert, Lays Down The Law After Teenager Gropes Her On A Jog (VIDEO)

nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 11:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

re: ... *absolute idiots such as Perry are considered Presidential material???
Just think Dubya Bush. For t-w-o t-e-r-m-s!!!!! The American people are capable of anything.
nailingit — June 23, 2012 at 6:13 p.m*.

Another case that makes it embarrassing to state 'I'm from....

"Christopher Holmes · Top Commenter · Works at Large Railroading Outfit
Do we live in a world now where people have to be stupid to get attention? If the ice sheets melt then the area where the ice was will now be water and nothing will flood. Remember folks, there is just as much water in the world today as there was when the Earth was created (by God, by the way)"

mr_basil_seal — June 24, 2012 at 6:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And, it gets worse:

Cato Guy Thinks You Guys Are Lazy And Stupid
By: TBogg Friday June 22, 2012 11:38 am


The Washington Post has an article this morning pointing out that Mitt Romney just likes to fire Americans every chance he gets and ship their jobs to overseas where people make like four cents a day and then Mitt pockets the difference so he can buy expensive dancing horses for Ann his bored wife. The Romney campaign then rolled out hapless Andrea Saul, who is this years Nancy Pfotenhauer, to explain that ‘off-shoring’ is not ‘outsourcing’ because, HAH!, they have different letters .. so SUCK IT lamestream media.

mr_basil_seal — June 24, 2012 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

" For all practical purposes, Kerr is agreeing that conservative judges don't even bother pretending to be neutral anymore. They listen to Fox News, and if something becomes a conservative talking point then they're on board. And that goes all the way up to the Supreme Court.

Maybe. The Supremes haven't handed down their ruling yet, and they could still surprise us. Because the truth is still the same as it was two years ago: the distinction between activity and inactivity—i.e., whether the federal government can mandate specific activity in addition to prohibiting it—has no historical basis at all. It was invented out of whole cloth. There's no precedent, no language in the Constitution, and for the most part, not even any discussion about it in the legal literature prior to 2009. **It's simply not something that anyone ever took seriously until it became the only plausible attack line against a piece of liberal legislation that conservatives wanted to overturn.**"
Sounds sorta like some of the arguments that come from the libertarians also......

mr_basil_seal — June 24, 2012 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Republican lemmings will live to fight another day. What will the next conspiracy theory be? Don't' some of you on the right get fed up and dog tired of chasing your tails at your leaders behest?

**Darrell Issa Contradicts John Boehner On Fast And Furious, Admits No Knowledge Of Obama Involvement (VIDEO)**

nailingit — June 24, 2012 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Great weather! Hope everyone had a great Sunday. Maher for Prez!;=related

nailingit — June 24, 2012 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting FB comments in the coal clash C article. Wow! Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a third world theocracy. Just amazing "opinion" on climate change!!!

It used to be "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink". Now in many places you can't lead a horse to water because it's no longer there. And it still doesn't matter. At some point one stops feeling sorry for these folks. Stupid is as stupid does! My God the ignorance that prevails in this area is astonishing! Cami Joner even chimed in with reason but it makes no diff. The conversations behind the scenes at the C must be interesting to say the least!


nailingit — June 24, 2012 at 9:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal @ 6:16- Corporations seem to be trying their best to keep folks dumbed down. Throw in Christian based home schooling and America will lead the world in ignorance & stupidity in no time!

**UVA Teresa Sullivan Ouster Reveals Corporate Control Of Public Education**

This emphasis on the for-profit education sector has been particularly dismaying to UVA faculty, especially within the context of the budget cuts Dragas reportedly sought in programs including the Classics and German departments. For-profit schools are not well-regarded in the academic community, and have been embroiled in scandals in the past few years for exploitive practices that include recruiting students eligible for federal loans and grants, but graduating fewer than half the enrollees.;=topbar

nailingit — June 24, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Not too many on the right post here anymore. It's kinda like RW politicians only do Fox news. They don't have to rationalize their positions and get a warm and fuzzy from pats on the back from like minded thinkers. Kind of like church I suppose! If free thought were water...many would suffer from cotton mouth.

Definition of Amen-A`men´
interj., a 1. An expression used at the end of prayers, and meaning, *So be it.*

nailingit — June 24, 2012 at 10:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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