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A quote from last week's (last night in fact) posts, courtesy of Nailingit:

*"""A word that is often times missing in our society when it comes to another's belief system is acceptance."""*

Might I add to that and say "RESPECT" is another concept which is missing lately???

How about a fresh start to the week, folks!!!

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 7:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Time to batten down the hatches...or at least make sure your garbage can lid is secure this morning. Sounds like it's going to be a stormy day. I guess a "Bomb Cyclone" as Matt Brode from KOIN TV called it, developed over the Eastern Pacific and is slamming into Vancouver Island. We're on the outer skirts of it and should be seeing the effects of gusty winds later this morning. For storm watchers at the coast...70+ mph wind gusts. If you're thinking of heading down...be prepared for snow over the passes. They're expecting up to a foot of snow...and we might have a repeat dusting in the morning!

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden,

I just hope the wind stays away until tonight.
Brotherinlaw has the movers at their house today. Hopefully they will have the truck loaded and through the Gorge before the wind
makes it's way here.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- preceding paragraph- Interesting conversation about religion. Understanding is good. *Respecting* other beliefs, great! A "fascinating study", super! Learning is key, nice thought!

Good morning! I know what you are saying but with all due respect I submit that a discussion about religion/politics will always offend some. Decrying lack of respect can also be used by some as a shield if they are incapable or wish not to expound on their beliefs. Just sayin'.

Again, acceptance of others religious beliefs should be paramount in a diverse society.

But for politicians to infuse personal religious beliefs into our political system, then enact laws that serve only the minority of the population who voted them in, and not serve the greater good in order to act out those religious beliefs, is not only wrong, it's immoral and deceptive, and it fly's in the face of our founding fathers intent. And it's disrespectful. ;)

Don't you think?

You lay claim to being a registered Republican. Are you happy with your party's portrayal of Islam and the one's who follow it? You know, the ones that speak of caliphates, sharia law, NYC Mosque haters, Obama's a secret muslim...all that crap. Much different than the way Republican 8 year pres Bush saw it. Overall Republican's, not Democrats, have been the ones vilifying Islam, the most populated religion in the world.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sarah is still a major player as well as a top notch fairly unbalanced foxy neeews caster dontcha know. As Roger Ailes has stated. He hired her because she is hot.

Former Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin recently said she won't rule out the nomination if this circus goes to convention.

**Nicolle Wallace: 'Game Change' Was 'True Enough To Make Me Squirm'**

"Her incredible cynicism, her bitterness, her aggressive attempts to claw anyone that points out an area for her to work on, I think these things will continue to reveal herself and the people that love her will continue to love her, but the people who are not so sure about her will, I think, formulate harder opinions and more clarity about her."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/nicolle-wallace-game-change-sarah-palin-_n_1338729.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Today's a new day... the present.. a gift from God.
(yesterday is gone, no one knows about tomorrow)
so DO random acts of kindness today....that's your gift back to God

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Wind is really starting to blow! As are the Republican candidates!

I wonder if in the next 6 months Republicans will will introduce legislation requiring mandatory male/female circumcision for those living in poverty, minorities and those voting for Democrats!

Who would have thought Women's healthcare and contraception would be on the table in this day and age? Amazing stuff!!!

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal



I did the survey mentioned at the top of this page. In the section that asks for contact information, you know, encase I win the certificate, I entered "No thanks."

Heh.

Drift — March 12, 2012 at 10:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- I couldn't get past page three. Questions like how do you rate the quality of comments?

I suppose that would vary comment to comment! Just ridiculous stuff. I bet it's being done to factor in the dynamics of charging $$$ for the C.

Certificate? :))))) Who the hell is running things at that place?

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I took it but I wasn't sure if they were talking about the FB side or this side. The comments are very different. Here, we actually have discussions, over there it's more hit and run.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I took exception to them asking me what I thought "community" was defined as (my opinion) and then calling The Columbian's web presence a community.

I don't think so, mang. *This* is the web version of a news paper, nothing less nor more.

In one of the comments sections I mentioned us celler dwellers couldn't respond directly to articles, and I thought that a bummer. I touched on my reasons for preferring some anonymity.

I mentioned a LttE I had written. 'Course it was published with my -real- name (though I could argue "Drift" is also my -real- name). The morning of the publishing some ex-cop called my home to voice his apposing opinion. That didn't go over to well with Mrs. Drift. She was waiting for a brick through the living room window.

I don't care if The Columbian knows my identity, but I'd rather my birth name and address not be known to some individual that likes nothing better than harassing potheads.

Know what I mean, man?

I'm known to law enforcement. I'm known to the City Council and County Commissioners. I *want them* to know who I am.

The general public? No, that's asking for trouble.

Drift — March 12, 2012 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I mentioned a LttE I had written. 'Course it was published with my -real- name (though I could argue "Drift" is also my -real- name). The morning of the publishing some ex-cop called my home to voice his apposing opinion. That didn't go over to well with Mrs. Drift. She was waiting for a brick through the living room window.*

Wow! A brick or worse. I totally get where you are coming from. Sometimes a little paranoia is a good thing. What happened to you is more than disturbing, and re-enforces a person's need for anonymity.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Justice Department bars Texas voter ID law

The Justice Department has blocked a new law in Texas requiring voters to show a photo ID, saying that it disproportionately harms Hispanic residents.

The action is the second time in three months that the Obama administration has blocked a state voter ID law. In December, the Justice Department struck down South Carolina’s new law requiring photo identification at the polls, saying it discriminated against minority voters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/justice-department-bars-texas-voter-id-law/2012/03/12/gIQAUzgW7R_story.html?wpisrc=nl_pmpolitics

Interesting indeed, since those involved screamed about voter fraud in the past.
What's wrong in showing a photo ID when voting? One must show a photo ID when writing a check and sometimes when using a credit card.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Replying to ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe there's any law requiring an individual to have I.D., much less photo I.D.

Mmm, les' see... I've got a license. Yep, it's got my photo. My V.A. I.D. card, affirmative -- photo. What else? I think that's it. Pretty sure.

So, then, if I chose not to have a license and wasn't enrolled with the V.A. what would I have? Zero, zip, zilch.

I don't know about this "hispanic" stuff. I thought the argument was about folks who basically live in poverty -- no license, no photo I.D. The requirement would could make it impossible for them to vote.

Drift — March 12, 2012 at 1:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I voted for years before they started putting my picture on my license. Without that picture, how did they know it was me? I agree that there needs to be some kind of ID required to vote, standardized. Seems like I have a voters registration card around here someplace that I didn't need to have picture ID to get.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


EL, I absolutely hate these ads from EITHER side. These little chopped up pieces of crap can be made to look any way the editor wants them to look like. It's just as easy as cut and paste on here. You can make anybody look bad. You can't believe any of them and I'm disappointed that anybody has to stoop to this level.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


elisi 12:59

it seems the mis-leading is following the mis-leading. While Romney doesn't support an individual mandate at the national level, he states the feds will continue making payments to the states that basically will have an indivdual mandate in order to receive federal $$$. So while Romney is not talking an individual mandate from the feds, he's essentially paying the states to do it. Splitting hairs here, it seems.

as far as mis-leading political ads go, we ain't seen nuthin' yet. wait until the super-pac money kicks in this fall. the mud and BS will be flying in both directions.

mrd — March 12, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I think that HULU/Blockbuster/Netflix are going to making money this year. Broadcast TV is going to suck more than normal.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 1:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift, Hawkeye..

Many times in the past I can remember of having to show my drivers license and sign in to vote.

There is a state photo ID so if a person doesn't drive that could be used..it is accepted for photo ID for travel and for purchasing, alcohol etc.
Infact in order to purchase certain over the counter cough syrups one has to not only fill out paperwork but show a valid photo ID, so why not to vote?

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 2:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, mrd..

Agreed..these sound bites from both sides as well as the media are crap!

and mrd you are correct, I think the elections this time around are going to be REAL nasty!

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift --- Many states[34?]are implementing or introducing various Voter ID laws to restrict/suppress voters. This issue has come up since the 2008 election. Did you see the recent story [see below] about a vet who was unable to vote because polling place wouldn't accept his VA ID? He is 86. His eyesight is no longer good enough for him to drive so he uses his VA ID. That is not provided by the state so no good also, no address on VA ID. I believe that most voter fraud has involved elections officials and a very small number by individuals.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/voting-rights/willing-die-their-country-unable-vote-it

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/06/439324/86-year-old-ohio-veteran-cant-vote-after-government-issued-id-is-rejected-at-poll/

langenthal — March 12, 2012 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Speaking of sound bites! :)))

To honor the release of Game Change, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLY...

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye we have already started stocking up on movies.

There is a store off Mill Plain across from Wally's World that buy, and sell used movies for a fraction of what they cost new.
Great place to go to stock up on all those movies you've missed.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 2:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


[Really smart Democrat representantive.][1]

And some of you extremist Leftists, who call Republicans low IQ, have the absolute audacity to support collectivism, while belittling the philosophical personal liberty and limited government underpinnings of the Federal Constitution.

Big belly laugh here. Were it not so sick.

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11X0Cl...

kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal,

So true about military or VA ID! My son's friend who is in the military was told by not only the state of Wa, but Ca and Or that a military ID is not valid...go figure

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***I still find this unbelieveable.***

More than half of likely Republican voters in Mississippi say they think President Barack Obama is a Muslim, according to a survey conducted by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic polling firm.

Fifty-two percent said that Obama practiced Islam, while just 12 percent said he was a Christian. Thirty-six percent said they were not sure.

Obama, whose father and stepfather both came from Muslim backgrounds, is a practicing Christian and was a member of Trinity United Church in Chicago before he was president.

The poll, conducted by telephone of 656 likely Republican voters in Mississippi on March 10 and 11, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.8 percentage points.

In Alabama, the same poll found that 45 percent of likely Republican voters believed Obama to be a Muslim and 14 percent said they considered him a Christian.

The group conducted the polling in advance of the Republican presidential primaries in Alabama and Mississippi, which will be held on Tuesday.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 2:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 2:13- K_nd. All you are left with are labels, hats with tea bags falling off them and a troubled philosophy based loosely on a rightest conservative radical view of a country that hasn't existed for almost 250 years. Get over yourself and your misplaced elitism. Surrender your soul to.........

..........the Candy Man! (and no, don't be afeared non)Sammy wasn't a Muslim, he was a Jew!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRf1Ad...

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 2:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- LOL! Chris Matthews was just addressing this. I wonder what the stats would be in the basement!

And to quote k_ndly *Big belly laugh here. Were it not so sick.*

Some will never get it.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit at 8:52 a.m.

Yes, I was registered as a Republican. That was back in the 70's. Do I consider myself as part of any political affiliation now? Nope. I don't put a label on my political preference. You know why that is, Nailingit? It's because I haven't seen anything SINCE 1976 (the year I registered proudly so that I could vote like every American should), that I believe warrants my attention so your question as to referencing "my party," it has already been answered but I'll restate...the Republican Party is NOT my party. In the 70's we had to register our political preference. I was young and naive. Would I have made any difference saying I was a registered Democrat or Independent or Green Party affiliate???

Do I see anybody worth voting for at this time??? Nope! Too much mud slinging for my taste.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from now, nailingit.

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 2:13 p.m

Every "family" has their moron. Some of them even get to run for vice president and get their own show on FOX.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI...shhhh!!! Don't tell everyone about that wonderful video store that I've been grabbing my movies from as well. It's extremely affordable and you don't have to go back to that red machine to rent...at the same price. It's just a matter of video storage units, huh!

Seriously, I'd been looking for an old video in DVD form for years at all the big box stores...even Suncoast couldn't get it. And lo and behold...there it was at this wonderful store you speak of!!! I paid a bit more than usual for it as it will most likely never be re-released according to the producers...but I now have it and have thoroughly enjoyed it over and over again.

Now...if I could only get hold of Star Trek Voyager Season 4 at a decent price. Then I'd be a happy camper!

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Every "family" has their moron. Some of them even get to run..."

Now Hawkeye, that's not very nice....WAIT A SECOND??? DO I SEE RUSSIA FROM MY FRONT PORCH???

Nope. I was wrong. It's just the wind, today. (just teasin')

..

Speaking of wind...holy moley, that was a doozey!!! Dodging tree branches, being pelted by fir needles, rain pounding your face, stepping out of the car into a mud puddle you didn't notice till it was too late, hanging onto the car door as a burst of wind grabbed it!!! And now...possibly snow in the morning again??? Get the cameras ready.

You gotta love Pacific Northwest Winters!!!

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*It's because I haven't seen anything SINCE 1976 (the year I registered proudly so that I could vote like every American should), that I believe warrants my attention so your question as to referencing "my party,"*

You proudly registered as a Republican on the heels of the Watergate scandal to vote for...Ford?

Cool! I guess one never knows what it is sometimes that fire people up!

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lou Brancaccio...out of curiosity...

Why do you always choose Beaches Restaurant as the prize of choice? Yeah, their meal selection is good...always tastes good and has excellent service (never had a less than desirable experience there), but you know.... there's other dining places in Clark County which are well worth a bit of free advertising once in awhile, too!!!

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The there are a few series I'd like to get a hold of like the Band of Brothers, Star Wars in blue ray and Harry Potter.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Actually Nailingit...I was influenced by my father to join as a Repub. As I said, I was naive. Guess you wouldn't understand.

By the way, why is it you are getting so unruly lately? And all these signs of prejudice by you...What happened to your civility - your smooth demeanor? Why has that gone down the tubes? Do you have anger issues and this is your way of venting???? I was actually enjoying sharing comments with you lately, nailingit. Whu happened??? Guess I'll give you a bit of your own...diatribe.

So now Fissy Poo (my new nickname for you since you act exactly like fiscaltiger)...care to discuss issues rather than your blatant distaste for anyone who doesn't always agree with you??? Anger management might come in handy for you.

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 3:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI, would you believe...I'm going for "In Living Color." I've seen ONE season and would like to get others. Love the Wayans family sense of humor!!! Such brilliance!!! Now their offspring are planning on bringing back the series with *their* humor. There's so many older movies and shows I'm still looking for...always fun searching. I've even picked up a few at Goodwill and Value Village along with yard sales (if the CD is in good condition).

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Your sarcastic remarks, nail, are in every way an attempt to turn understanding 180, to reflect your own cradle to grave welfare state extremism One might note, that you have a penchant for refutation through humor or other obfuscations.

In my latest example: are YOU supporting Democrat Hank Johnson’s line of reasoning about Quam…”tipping over?”

And day after day, you ridicule Republicans. You only show your extreme fanaticism.

kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden,

I just started watching My wife and kids again..love that show!

Bernie Mac, Everyone hates Kris ...great shows!

I'd love to get a hold of all the original SNL shows.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*By the way, why is it you are getting so unruly lately? And all these signs of prejudice by you...*

Again...you turn the tables and accuse falsely when you are upset.

And you committed to never speaking about this terrible time in your life if I did'nt bring this "fiscaltiger" avatar up! You asked me never to mention this fiscaltiger again, as it upset you, and like a gentleman I agreed and kept my word.

*So now Fissy Poo (my new nickname for you since you act exactly like fiscaltiger)...care to discuss issues rather than your blatant distaste for anyone who doesn't always agree with you??? Anger management might come in handy for you.*

Back to the name calling...:))

Sigh...

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This is why basil and the cat left. They just got sick of you. Maybe you will get lucky pretty soon and I'll follow their example. I suppose you'll bring your posse of supporting avatars back...you know..

maybe it is time for FB.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.

Yep.

No one has ever walked a mile in anyone else’s shoes. Considering the uniquneness of each individual, that is clearly impossible.

Hence the belief in limited government.

kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now kids!!!! Can't we play nice? No name calling and no back talk. We don't want anybody getting carried away.

BTW, GO and EL, some of the best comedy is found in "Max Headroom" and from the SYFY Channel, "Eureka" . If you haven't seen them, they are worth a closer look.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh Hawkeye I am a fan of Eureka! Never miss it when it's on.

Who is your favorite character on that show? I'm kind of split between Joe and the sheriff. Fargo is good too.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Upset??? Hardly. Turning the tables? Nope...you've done that all on your own, Nailingit. I've had a great day, enjoyed time with some of my family and have all the intentions of sharing in good discussion with everyone today. No offense fiss...I mean, Nailingit...you started the bitter discussion, today. I started on a positive note. I was merely adding one word to your word of choice with I believe was pertinent in civility in discussion. You are the one who took it one step in the direction of sour apples, not I.

Who was it that said *"You lay claim to being a registered Republican. Are you happy with your party's portrayal of Islam and the one's who follow it? You know, the ones that speak of caliphates, sharia law, NYC Mosque haters, Obama's a secret muslim...all that crap."* - and - *"You proudly registered as a Republican on the heels of the Watergate scandal to vote for...Ford?"* An assumption by you which is clearly far from the target, Nailingit. As I have stated many a time...I said I "ORIGINALLY" registered as an R. I currently do not recognize any political affiliation as I believe none warrant my sole attention. Who I vote for is my business, not yours. You are clearly out to instigate negative emotion and I'm not buyin' it. Nice try, though.

You know nailingit...there is more to life than trying to rile others up to satisfy your sadistic needs. I on the other hand, am fortunate enough to witness the beauty of a new life in my family...a wonderful little baby girl who joined my family a few weeks ago...one of four beautiful grandchildren who are everything to me and are part of the future of our nation. All I want is the best for our future generations...and it doesn't include the game of political affiliation. It includes the game of utilizing my heart, my soul...my sense of urgence to work together as a nation to become even better than it is today. Nobody will tell me I have to belong to one political party. That solves nothing. I am a party of one...one person in one nation who has only one intention...to better our country for the future generations...and it doesn't include games like you are attempting with me because I don't always agree with you but when I'm falsely accused, you'd better believe I will say my piece. And yes, you are a constant reminder of a troubling time here on the C...no matter if I say his pen name or not...no matter if I bring up the past or not.
So now...if you have nothing of substance to discuss in a rational manner, then we have nothing more to discuss.

So... are you through with this useless waste of brain matter yet?

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Honestly, EL. It's really hard to choose, it's got such a balanced cast. I like Jo, I think they could spend two years on her and never scratch the surface of her character. I really like the Sheriff and Deputy Andy.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


N @3:25 p.m.

Bwhahahahahahaaaaa!!! Now I'm really laughing my backside off!!! Oh too too funny. And Alleycat...He left on his own volition.

Basil didn't leave because of me you silly goose. He left when I was gone for several weeks. Basil...the ORIGINAL Basil was enjoyable. He left because of the useless waste of drivel discussed...much like what you are generating lately. And you are trying to blame me??? Sooo funny!!!

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now...onto serious discussion. Hawkeye, I'll play nice. I can't speak for others, though. BTW, I've seen Eureka and miss watching it. We got fed up with all the commercials and garbage TV so we cancelled our satellite. I believe there's a few websites I can still watch the shows for free. If not, I'll be checkin' for the DVD's.

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh and Hawkeye, I almost forgot the guy that plays the Aussie that Joe used to date...now there's a quirky character for sure!

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden.. I think this season of Eureka is the final one....seems I read that somewhere...

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"...vet who was unable to vote because polling place wouldn't accept his VA ID?"

the reason he couldn't vote is because the county records showed him *dead.*

DeeLittle — March 12, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice quote I found which we all should take heed:

Peace is not merely the absence of war; peace is one inseparable oneness with all.

- Sri Chinmoy

goldenoldie — March 12, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The Oregonian and other newspapers are pulling Doonesbury and running it online or in the News sections.

I would love to hear some opinions on this. For me, I don't care where they publish it, as long as it gets published. First amendment and all, you know.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianeditors/2012/03/doonesbury_editors_decide_not.html

manthou — March 12, 2012 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Manthou --- I think you're adult enough to handle this. [SMH]

http://doonesbury.com/

langenthal — March 12, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee: I am curious about why posting on the FB area is so important to you. There is no judgment attached to my question, just simple curiosity.

Do you share an IP address with someone else who is posting?

Aren't we good 'nuf for you? :)))

manthou — March 12, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal: Shake my head, indeed. The Oregonian pulled it entirely. The Cleveland Plain Dealer did not.

Garry Trudea says that not addressing the right wing war on half the population would be "comedy malpractice."

I love his satire. 200 years from now, if there is anything left of this planet, he will be studied by political historians as Jonathan Swift is now.

I am absolutely surprised at Portlandia's daily newspaper pulling the strip. Whoddathunkedit?

manthou — March 12, 2012 at 4:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit @ 3:25: "maybe it is time for FB."

It's never time for FB. Or Twitter. Or Myspace. Or Pinterest. Or You-name-it.

We are drowning in social media options. Arggghhhhhh.

manthou — March 12, 2012 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee Little --- I read several articles and none mention that he was supposed to be dead. He lived in the same town for 40 years.

http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/portage_county_veteran_86_turn.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/08/1072230/-WWII-Vet-Ex-2-Term-Dem-Congressman-Denied-the-Right-to-Vote-

langenthal — March 12, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — March 12, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.

More likely Aldous Huxley.

kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai: :)

manthou — March 12, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — March 12, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.

> “There are three requirements – name, photo and correct address,” she said. “Unfortunately, we’re finding that some don’t have addresses on them. I feel so bad, but we have to follow the law and voters don’t always understand that at the moment.” -- http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/portage_county_veteran_86_turn.html

So what's your point langenthal? Unfortunate, but the point of law is to avoid arbitrary and capricious decisions. Whatever problem there is, should be addressed by the legislative body.

Lived in the same town for 40 years? So what if the next guy this happened to only lived in the same town for 2 months?

kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


why post on fb side....

cuz i have to. when i read something that's factually wrong, or something that's so kool-aid-soaked it's got cyber-stains around it, it becomes an actual need to respond. a duty, like supporting civil rights in spite of being warned by the kkk. i guess i'm just another 'old soldier' who can't stop.

DeeLittle — March 12, 2012 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh c'mon!

My ballot is mailed to me. I sit in the comfort of my home and color in the little squares. I could walk out on Fourth Plain and have homeless illegal aliens color in the squares.

Just so's my signature matches the one of record, right?

This I.D. thing is a red herring.
Cut through the bull...

Oops, sorry. I didn't mean to blow up. ;^)
Gotta go stir the speghetti. Yeah, it's in a pot. So what?

Drift — March 12, 2012 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey EL, just a little BTW here, the Aussie on Eureka, is the same guy that played Max Headroom. And yes, this is supposed to be the last season of Eureka but I still send them emails telling them they are making a mistake.

hawkeye — March 12, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, I thought that the Aussie was that guy but wasn't sure.
Yeah sad to say Eureka's last season is this year. I feel they really didn't give it time to really develop the characters fully for the audience. I agree, they are making a mistake by ending it so soon.

But then again I feel the SyFy channel also made one big mistake when they canceled Star Gate SG-1 and Farscape also.

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**FIREFLY FOR*EVER*** !!!

DeeLittle — March 12, 2012 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL Dee, I liked that show too!!

ELISI — March 12, 2012 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> This is why basil and the cat left. -- nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.

Care to prove that? I'm real sure you can't.

On the other hand, I can give a compelling reason why Basil is gone.

And while I'm not sure about catnip, I think he got booted off. Once again. As he did when he was phoenix_rising and a couple of others. Since then, the Chief has continued to post, occasionally, and his comments have been quite thoughtful. As I always believed, the pseudonym alleycat, was just a plaything and catharthsis of some sort.

kn_dalai — March 12, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cool, first one up and on the basement! Snoozed so nicely on sofa all evening thanks to our crappy weather, woke up early as a result, thinking I overslept as it seemed so light outside-just to find tons of snow on ground and more falling...
What happened to that nice Spring weather from last Friday? I want it back.
What does everybody think of the proposed PDX to National airport in DC that Alaska Airlines want? I think it would be great. Flying east right now takes a day.

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 4:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere - There's something about the beauty of a freshly fallen snow that's hard to top - as long as it doesn't happen too often, that is. I've been enjoying my little tradition of taking the cats to the back yard, putting them down, and watching them set new speed records racing back to the house. They need a little humility in their lives. Beside, my satellite was out.

roger — March 13, 2012 at 5:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning, fellow forum followers. The snow began at my house around 12:30 this morning. We ended up with about an inch. Doesn't it make everything look so nice and clean???

Roger, I remember those days of satellite going out. I also remember those days of having to knock the snow/ice off the dish. Now...no satellite, no cable...actually get more accomplished around the home. I could actually picture you setting the cats down in the snow...watching their spastic reactions to the snow. I used to have a cat which barreled through the snow like a plow. He'd even roll in it. He was a character. My little dog??? She doesn't mind it...even for the little lowrider she is...but she'll avoid it at all costs and will wait and whine for me to find a "green space" in the lawn under the big fir tree.

..

Luvithere, with the experiences I've had in flying over the years, it's never taken more than a day to fly east. This new service sounds much more convenient if all it takes is one flight. That's one less layover midway.

goldenoldie — March 13, 2012 at 7:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I woke up around 2 am to it being ever so quiet last night, looked and yep, snow covered the ground and still coming down.
Back up around 4 am, snow had stopped but still covered all.

Now it's just in yards and roof tops, streets are wet, no problem with driving nor should school be delayed. I know, I know, kids are probably going darn, darn, was hoping for a day off from school.

Golden, my little furry friend dislikes rain, snow she don't mind. With rain we have to put her coat on her, harness, leash then she will go out. So both of us gets wet...I think she plans it that way...LOL

ELISI — March 13, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, we still have plenty of snow out there, it was snowing on and off until 6am. Looks very nice.

Goldie, it takes all day to get back east. What with layover and security, etc etc. It should not take all day to make that trip. A non stop to National via Alaska would be super! Also a plus: to put us back on the map. After we lost the international nonstop to Europe, we slipped into backwaters a bit.

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Woke up to white stuff all over the place, cat REFUSES to go out but I had to go out to brush the snow off the Dish. Got that done, fixed my coffee and sat down to check you guys out.

Good morning everyone. Time to check the news. See ya'll later.

hawkeye — March 13, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Voters blame president for gas prices, experts say not so fast

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/voters-blame-president-for-gas-prices-experts-say-not-so-fast/2012/03/12/gIQA8fsO8R_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most

I ask, how can anyone blame just Obama for the price?

ELISI — March 13, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Antipsychotic drugs grow more popular for patients without mental illness

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/antipsychotic-drugs-grow-more-popular-for-patients-without-mental-illness/2012/02/02/gIQAH1yz7R_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most

What in the heck are we allowing done to our children?
Please parents think twice before allowing any doctor to put your child on these medications. Get a second or more opinions before taking the easy way out and medicating your child and yourself!

ELISI — March 13, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Elisi, some good links and good topics.
As to anti-psychotic drugs: this whole country is getting medicated. It was bad enough before they allowed DTC (direct to consumer)advertising (and now all you hear/see are ads for meds) but we are definitely over-medicating the whole population. The saying "there's an app for that" here can be changed to "there's a med for that." Worst for me is the large number of kids currently getting dosed for attention deficit/hyperactivity. Please. I have no issue with some kids needing the meds, but that many? Now they even started on adults having the same issue. Getting ridiculous. But then, we now take meds for every little symptom we experience. A nice little drug cocktail to start the day. I actually know a number of people who were so overmedicated for all kinds of things, they got sicker. Dropped all meds and feeling pretty good ever since. Big pharma speaks, docs prescribe, and we swallow.

A bit of a pet peeve of mine.

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Voting is a right in our country and a very privelaged one at that. Cutting down on voter fraud is why many states are requiring photo ID. I think it is a good thing.
In Texas over 300K Hispanic voters don't have a valid drivers license or state issued ID card.This comming from the DOJ.

How do some of these folks get state or government benefits. If your pulled over on the road by our finest and they ask to see your license and you can't provide one what happens then. Most likely many of these folks probably arn't here legally. That is the issue these states are trying to fix. If your not here legally you shouldn't vote, plain and simple.

vanwadreamer — March 13, 2012 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


To vote, you must register. In Wa state, you have to have a valid driver's license, state ID card, or present the last 4 digits of your SS#. Seems there would be enough info there to sort out folks not eligible to vote. If E-verify can do it, why can't the state do it now without photo ID?

If illegals are getting benefits with fake ID's now, how long will it take them to get illegal photo ID's in order to vote?

Kinda like gun control-if the state can't enforce current laws, what chance do they have enforcing more regulations aimed at the same issue?

mrd — March 13, 2012 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — March 13, 2012 at 12:46 p.m

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but voting is not a right under our Constitution.

frobert — March 13, 2012 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST APPEARS TO BE BIASED. ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE READING**

i have to show an id to open a bank account, cash a check, rent a place to live and just about any activity greater than walking down the street.

voting is our most precious right. it is the foundation upon which the constitution rests. why in God's name would we NOT do everything possible to insure the process is never poisoned by fraud??

i look at the issue, and i see the fed justice dept usurping state's right, thus violating the constitution right there. if texas wants to have id voting, *they should have id voting.* disenfranchising? not only no, but he-1-1 no.

when *everyone* has to provide the same thing, nobody is 'disenfranchised', just lazy, stupid or unable to comply.

now, as for that last one on the list....why would anyone in the united states be unable to get a picture id issued by some gvt body?

handicapped, maybe. mobility, eyesight, hearing or mental. once again, if that person has any interest in voting, he can get help obtaining a gvt id just as easily as he does for doctor's appointments, personal hygiene, etc. so that's not a valid argument.

doesn't speak the language perhaps. no problem there either; i see multi-language signs all over the place. no biggie to simply print the steps to get a gvt id in lots of languages.

maybe...can't afford it. nope. that doesn't work either. these things are provided free to those who cannot pay.

well, that just leaves me with one other group; those who *don't want* to go to a gvt office and get an id. why?

maybe they just can't abide the gvt having an open, public record of them. or perhaps they have reason to be as anonymous as possible. they then have a choice to make; make a concession for the right to cast a vote, or don't vote.

that leaves the group who don't want the gvt to know about them because they're...let's all say it together...illegal aliens. so. we've come to the crux of it. illegals voting. which political party benefits from this?

as i review the voting patterns, the pandering to ethnic groups which would statistically have the most illegals to reap, i see one clear leader. and it starts with 'D'.

we've got a ton of stuff to fix in the usa. taken as a whole, it's overwhelming. so, as i see it, we fix what's trying to flatten us, then what's about to tip over onto us, then outward and outward until we've gotten a handle on it.

so, start with requiring voters to have a gvt issued id card, eliminate (i wish) or greatly reduce voter fraud, then start pushing to give state's rights back to the states.

and for the nailingit type, no, there *isn't* a comparison between requiring an id and the old, racist laws requiring the ability to read, etc because *any*one here legally can get an id.

end of speech. ThankYouVeryMuch.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A bit of a pet peeve of mine.

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 12:42 p.m

One of mine also and has been for years.
When my son, now 23, was in kindergarten, I was pulled into the school councilors office by the teacher and was told he needed to be put on meds for adhd. Well, I took him to his pedestrian to get his advice. The dr checked and hmmm he agreed with me that he showed no signs to warrant meds.
He explained in detail that we all have a degree of ADD. Anytime we yawn, mind wonders when sitting in a say a seminar..
He ended up sending a letter to the school district stating my son was in no way in need of meds. Teacher was less friendly afterwards. I'm just glad I'm one that questions others motives. As I seen it the teacher really didn't have much control in the class room and she was using the excuse of adhd to medicate the kids to make her day go easier.

ELISI — March 13, 2012 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 1:30 p.m

Good one!

ELISI — March 13, 2012 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DEE-
maybe there's something I don't understand. we are already req'd to get gov't issued ID's to voye-our voter registration card. What's the purpose of issueing another if the ones currently being issued apparently to some, aren't working?

i wish I could see this in a non-political light, but it seems to be a republican thing going after minorities that tend to vote democratic.

mrd — March 13, 2012 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


thank ya. waiting for the inevitable posting-storm.

as for adhd...had the exact same thing happen when one of my kids was in a washington state school. been about 20 years ago now.

today, he refuses to take meds, thinks the adhd crap may have permanently damaged him, *and STILL worries that they were right and he's 'defective'.*

God help us all.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**MRD**

voter registration cards aren't picture id's.

also, after a voter sign-up campaign, the city/county/state (don't know which one actually does it) just mails out cards to the names & addresses on the list.

that's how acorn got so many fraudulent registrations...dead people a lot, illegals, duplicate voters, etc.

if you've ever seen one of these drives in front of something like wal-mart, you'll see they are very happy to have you sign up...they get paid by the line. not a real great system for guaranteeing the system's not being gamed.

and when was the last time you saw a major ethnic minority group vote republican?

as for illegals, which party is pandering to them by refusing to deport, going to court to prevent law enforcement from even ASKING for *any* id ad. nauseum? they all seem to have 'd's after their names.

feel free to provide examples where i'm wrong.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


FRO-

There have been several amendments to the constitution regarding voters rights. Most important are the articles under the 15th amendment regarding voting. So to say it's not in the constitution is simply not true. It's all over the constitution with some of the most glaring amendments 15,19,26...It is a right.

vanwadreamer — March 13, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Can anyone here provide statistics for suspected voter fraud by illegal aliens? I mean, solid numbers.

Just askin'.

Drift — March 13, 2012 at 2:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Drift,

In order to provide stats on suspected voter fraud by illegals, one must admit to it being a possibility. Something our elected refuse to do.

If illegals are getting jobs, education, welfare, drivers licenses, medical care and some even social security, off our dime.. what makes you think they aren't voting illegally?

Good site to keep up on..

http://immigrationcounters.com/

ELISI — March 13, 2012 at 3:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Drift here is an editorial from today's NYT that goes into your question: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/a-rejection-of-discrimination.html?_r=1 and outlines the disenfranchisement that can happen with voter ID.

Vanwadreamer you forgot the 24th amendment that outlaws the poll tax, forcing people to pay for a voter id would be illegal under this amendment.

Dee, the ACORN story has be debunked so often that I'm not going to source it again, however, ACORN was required by law to turn in all registrations that its agents gathered whether they were legit or not. They used to turn in two batches, one of the legit ones and one for those they felt were non legit just to save the government registers time.

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**STATS ON ILLEGAL ALIEN VOTING**

nobody's done an actual sting, like catching acorn...YET.

inferring from opportunity is about the best i've got right now. sites are generally conservative-leaning. i believe that's because the liberals don't see this as a problem.
~~~~~

NC - as of 2004, 40,000 driver's licenses have been issued to people who could not provide a ssn.

this is from frontpagemag.com has a definite anti-dem slant, but contains actual numbers and verifiable facts:

> A report issued by the Justice Dept.
> in 2000 detailed a program run under
> the auspices of then Vice President
> Gore's "Reinventing Government"
> project to streamline government
> services. In a successful effort to
> clear a backlog of 1.2 million
> applicants, the INS engaged in this
> crash program called "Citizenship USA"
> to naturalize the immigrants between
> October 1995 and September 1996, not
> coincidentally, just in time for the
> presidential election. Douglas
> Farbrother, an official on Gore's
> team, is quoted in the report saying
> he "believed that the (citizenship)
> program had a deadline that was
> directly connected to the upcoming
> election." The Clinton administration
> bypassed the customary FBI background
> check for these new citizens
> demonstrating that creating new
> Democrat voters was a much higher
> priority than national security. It is
> estimated that tens of thousands of
> applications were approved without FBI
> review. The Justice Dept. report
> documented 1,000 cases in Miami; 1,300
> cases in Chicago; and an astonishing
> 2,500 cases in Los Angeles

.....and this

> As documented by journalist Joseph
> Farah ,on Nov. 6, 2000, (one day
> before the national election) the
> California Democratic Party sent
> thousands (upwards of 4 million by
> some estimates) of mailers out to
> immigrants who had citizenship
> requests before the INS. These
> non-citizens were informed, in both
> English and Spanish, that they were
> registered to vote as a Democrat and
> given a special identification card to
> "help...voting go more smoothly."

from Heritage Foundation:

> In 2005, the U.S. Government
> Accountability Office found that up to
> 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals
> called for jury duty from voter
> registration rolls over a two-year
> period in just one U.S. district court
> were not U.S. citizens.[1] While that
> may not seem like many, just 3 percent
> of registered voters would have been
> more than enough to provide the
> winning presidential vote margin in
> Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Census
> Bureau estimates that there are over a
> million illegal aliens in Florida,[2]
> and the U.S. Department of Justice
> (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen
> voting cases in Florida than in any
> other state.[3]
(continued)

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 3:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


.....and this

> Illegal voting by immigrants in
> America is nothing new. Almost as long
> as there have been elections, there
> have been Tammany Halls trying to game
> the ballot box. Well into the 20th
> century, the political machines
> asserted their ascendancy on Election
> Day, stealing elections in the
> boroughs of New York and the wards of
> Chicago. Quite regularly, Irish
> immigrants were lined up and counted
> in canvasses long before the term
> "citizen" ever applied to them-and
> today it is little different. Yet in
> the debates over what to do about the
> 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens
> estimated to be in the United States,
> there has been virtually no discussion
> of how to ensure that they (and
> millions of legal aliens) do not
> register and vote in elections.

realclearpolitics:

> Four days before San Diego's special
> election to fill an empty House seat,
> polls put Democrat Busby in a dead
> heat with Republican Brian Bilbray.
> Then she said to a largely Latino
> audience: "You can all help. You don't
> need papers for voting." At that
> point, it was all over for Busby and
> the Democrats' chance to score an
> important victory. . . . Rahm
> Emanuel, who heads the Democratic
> Congressional Campaign Committee,
> played down the import of Busby's loss
> for the Democrats' hopes in November.
> Waving off the immigration issue, he
> said, "Not every district is going to
> be on the border of Mexico."

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


of course the d's cater to these groups-that's were they get votes. the r's don't want them to get that vote, so here we go.

i'm not questioning that there are people voting that shouldn't be, i just don't see why, under the current set-up, getting a voter registration card can't do the trick. if your name, address & numbers on the info provided is verified, why photo id? again, is the government too inefficient to verify voter registration now, so we need voter ID to do it? if enforcement is so lax there is rampant voter fraud, photo ID will substantially reduce it? i think not. politics is a filthy business anymore, and photo ID ain't gonna do squat or eliminate corruption.

i'd rather see politicians outlaw PAC money if they want to clean up elections. but we know that won't happen. until big money is removed from politicians, as far as I'm concerned, they're just blowing smoke with issues such as photo ID to vote. all politicians want to do is make every election between fewer, distinct, more polarized groups so they don't have to pander to so many. they're not that good of liars, and besides, these forever campaigns take big $$$.

Obama kinda went back on his 2010 position on PAC money. A spokesman for him said, in effect, he had to do it because the r's were taking it, and to not sell out would put him at a disadvantage. (Big sigh here.)

As far as the # of illegal voters, hell will freeze over before the politicians accurately tell us. the numbers will be skewed by either side to fit their agenda.

mrd — March 13, 2012 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*....Dee, the ACORN story has be debunked so often that I'm not going to source it again,*

where was the debunking of it? did it include the video tape?

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Link to today's Doonesbury:

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip

My favorite forum comment from a reader of The Seattle Times:

"If I wanted a Republican in my sex life, I'd seduce one."

manthou — March 13, 2012 at 4:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthow; you are an example of why the founders put freedom of speech first.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As are you, kind-hearted DeeLittle. :)

Peace.

manthou — March 13, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee please see http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/CRS-ACORN091222.pdf which is a very long pdf. For a synopsis see: http://archive.truthout.org/1230091.

As for the video, are you referring to convicted felon James O'Keefe's sting operation?

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou-thanks for the comic strip link. I love it. I especially enjoyed the mudlines running across at the top. Boy, that is some pathetic sad stuff coming out of some people's mouths.
I have to ask again. This IS the year 2012, not 1952, yes?

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Meaning that mudlines are great, referring to some sad people with sad sayings. Had to clarify!

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — March 13, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.

Yes, amendments limit when voting can be denied, but it can still be denied for any other reason, therefore it is not a right.

frobert — March 13, 2012 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not sure who puts this site out, but they agree with frobert. The states say who can vote.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

"Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to."

roger — March 13, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Folks, a heads-up. Political calls and market research calls are about to happen. First, a call from something called the Tea Party Patriots. Ok, I couldn't help myself. Told them they really got the wrong house and hung up.
Not even 10 minutes later a political poll. I was nosy so I took it. Having done a share of surveys, including designing them, I have to say this was the most biased political poll I have taken in a long time. Crystal clear what party ordered it. Slanted phrases, reversed scales from one question to the next to muddle the picture with convoluted wording....it was bad. I will not identify the party, but dear me, they really, really need to do better. It was truly shameful. At least try and give the impression of this being a real poll.

luvithere — March 13, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"O'Keefe pleaded guilty to misdemeanor criminal charge of entering Senate office under false pretenses" - wikipedia

...was that the 'felony' you mentioned...? can't find any other charges.

this what you're referring to,

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee, my apologies you are absolutely right it was only a misdemeanor from :http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20006067-503544.html
"They were initially arrested on felony charges, but the charges were reduced today to entering a federal building under false pretenses -- a misdemeanor."

O'Keefe pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three years of probation, a fine of $1,500 and 100 hours of community service, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports.

"I take full responsibility for our decision to visit Sen. Landrieu's office," O'Keefe reportedly said in court. "I should have used other means" to investigate Landrieu, he added.

Now if you want to look at full blown cases of voter fraud then you need to check his actions in New Hampshire: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/11/402756/james-o-keefe-voter-fraud/.

Just for fun you should look at a real voter fraud: http://www.salon.com/2012/02/27/vote_fraud_retires_shameless_gop_official/

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — March 13, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.

***I LOVE Doonesbury, I get it emailed every day.***

hawkeye — March 13, 2012 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee,
PS
You said: "nobody's done an actual sting, like catching acorn...YET."

You do realize that ACORN is no more, that the O'Keefe sting and the republicans in congress managed to defund them around two years ago? It will be very difficult to catch Acorn in any kind of sting since they don't actually exist anymore. Note that they were defunded prior to the results of the CRS study I referenced above.

I hope that you will also recognize that the purpose of defunding ACORN was that they kept registering people that were not inclined to vote republican? Which, of course, was anathema to conservatives like O'Keefe.

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 8:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee, I forgot to ask, why are you berating me for mistaking a misdemeanor for a felony and not responding to the fact that I showed that the whole case was debunked by no less than the Congressional Research Service? Which is what I said in the first place. You cite WND, I cite congress, whatever.

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal



> I hope that you will also recognize
> that the purpose of defunding ACORN
> was that they kept registering people
> that were not inclined to vote
> republican? Which, of course, was
> anathema to conservatives like
> O'Keefe.

acorn was guilty of much more than registering illegal aliens....they were also guilty of supporting under-age prostitution via abortion: this is HARDLY a minor offense.

the fact that 'liberal/progressive' activists will turn a deaf ear to exploitation of minors belies their stated aims to liberate 'alternative lifestyles'.

there's a reason the 'old ideas' are still relevant in modern society: they work to create a solid foundation for future generations to build upon.

if nothing is out of bounds, there is nothing we will not accept.

i do not want to live in a society where the only line for acceptable behavior is drawn by society's acceptance of previously-condemned behaviour. some things are wrong on their face; progressives refuse to acknowledge this.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> Dee, I forgot to ask, why are you
> berating me for mistaking a
> misdemeanor for a felony and not
> responding to the fact that I showed
> that the whole case was debunked by no
> less than the Congressional Research
> Service? Which is what I said in the
> first place. You cite WND, I cite
> congress, whatever. dfsadfh —

the charge against them was that they used false pretenses to gain entrance, NOT that the data gathered was false. doesn't this weigh against acorn in your evalulations....??

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal




Dee, you have pretty much totally lost me here, what are you talking about? The original topic was whether the ACORN story had been debunked or not, you challenged me to provide a source, I provided a link to a congressional study that said it had been, very thoroughly debunked. You seem to be missing my point, it has been debunked, by congress. What are you trying to say?

"acorn was guilty of much more than registering illegal aliens....they were also guilty of supporting under-age prostitution via abortion: this is HARDLY a minor offense."

Per the congressional study they were guilty of absolutely nothing, is this so difficult to understand?

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 9:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


df....

the quote was, "acorn was guilty of much more than registering illegal aliens....they were also guilty of supporting under-age prostitution via abortion: this is HARDLY a minor offense.".

i will, tomorrow, review the link you provided. i will be more capable of doing that tomorrow than today...

is there a point where you will concede acorn was an activity created to promote progessive agenda? if not, then i'm wasting my time.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee, if you mean a progressive agenda to register people to vote, then I certainly agree with you. The fact that they were most active in areas that were more likely to vote democratic really has nothing to do with that other than the fact conservatives/republicans didn't want those people to vote. ACORN registered anyone who was not already registered, democratic, republican, or independent it didn't really matter to them.

Not sure what happened to my attempt to copy your comment but it really doesn't change my response, the CRS stated that they were not guilty. Period, end of sentence.

dfsadfh — March 13, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The subject started on the premise that illegal aliens were casting votes and possibly swaying elections. Something like that, right?

And so therefore it is imperative we have the illegal aliens show their legal drivers' licenses before they cast said vote.

Right?

Making Oak trees from ACORNS,
Drift (HEH!)

Drift — March 13, 2012 at 10:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


good one, drift :)

getting back to the gist of the post, yes...sort of.

we need to know that the votes cast in elections reflect NO gaming of the system, and only actual us citizens are voting in our elections. i don't think this is currently of any consequence to the justice department and, in fact, that department is acting in violation of the constitution right now.

DeeLittle — March 14, 2012 at 3:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*"""Again, acceptance of others religious beliefs should be paramount in a diverse society.

But for politicians to infuse personal religious beliefs into our political system, then enact laws that serve only the minority of the population who voted them in, and not serve the greater good in order to act out those religious beliefs, is not only wrong, it's immoral and deceptive, and it fly's in the face of our founding fathers intent. And it's disrespectful. ;)"""*

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.

A statement so true and well written....Nailingit, whether you believe me or not...I 1000% agree with your statement from yesterday. I also believe that it is unethical.

goldenoldie — March 14, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Unethical for the politicians to take that route, that is.

goldenoldie — March 14, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**How much do voters know?**

“The first lesson you learn as a pollster is that people are stupid,” said Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling, a Democratic polling firm. “I tell a client trying to make sense of numbers on a poll that are inherently contradictory that at least once a week.”
Jensen, a Democrat, pointed to surveys showing that voters embraced individual elements of the Affordable Care Act, while rejecting the overall law, as an example of the political schizophrenia or simple ignorance that pollsters and politicians must contend with.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73947.html#ixzz1p6aXyWvu

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Tip of the day:

When out shopping and you come across a young parent struggling to negotiate with a child in a full blown temper tantrum,.. instead of giving a dirty look, asking what's the matter or giving advice..pat that parent on the back and tell them they are doing great job!

Parents need praise also!

Have a wonderful day everyone!

ELISI — March 14, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


[Back to the future with Progressives (so-called)][1]

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLVlMXBYmzk

kn_dalai — March 14, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I only started posting links several months ago. I used to offer nothing but personal viewpoints and opinion. I endured month after month of being bashed by those on the right, (poor me!) who, rather than bringing substance to the table, loved to sling insults on a personal level, to include name calling and the skewing any personal information I was stupid enough to put out.

None worse than you goldenoldie/aka +?avatars??? Well maybe, ray_menlo and bobbo...no, go, you've been the worst over time. I would have to stand in back of the line to many others you've done this to.

But I'm still standing, and the notches on your bombastic pistolero will remain as they are.

To wrap this up, in short I provided you a great segue (@ 8:01) to enact some sort of apology for your outrageous and unwarranted comments @ 3:04. 3:42, 3:49.

Personally what got me interested in politics was Watergate and voting a redneck abusive Sheriff out of office when I was 18. It's interesting knowing what jump starts a person into politics. Your vitriol that is pointed at posters you don't agree with should stop in my opinion.

But it's my opinion...and only that. Please...just don't engage me. It's entertaining on some level...but it can digress so easily.

Peace and best wishes, and congrats on your new addition.

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...and on a parting note, Aunt Bee was lovable!

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


GO, I have to somewhat agree with nail on this. You called him "fissy poo" and he is NOTHING like fiscaltiger. Nailingit is intelligent and actually thinks about his answers. Fiscal was, at times, a little abusive and went on some strange rants.

Can't we all just get along?

hawkeye — March 14, 2012 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Federal Court Sets Hearing in Medical Marijuana Voting Rights Case

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/13/4332927/federal-court-sets-hearing-in.html#storylink=cpy

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I was gonna blog about that in the next few days!

Congress had denied the voters of D.C. medicinal cannabis for years. D.C. is a bit weird. The City Council's decisions must be approved by Congress to become law. Congress kept putting the weed on ice. Simply by inaction they (Congress, that is) didn't stop the process, D.C. now has a medical marijuana law.

The thought is, if Congress says D.C. can have medweed, then they can't say the rest of the country can't. That, too, is a law.

The loophole (not a good one) as I see it is, Congress never said yes. They simply didn't say no.

This'll prove interesting.

http://capndrift.wordpress.com/

Drift — March 14, 2012 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift- Bureaucracy and red tape at work!

I told myself I wasn't going to your site until I read your book..... I am taking procrastination to new heights, even for me! Will knock it out by end of this weekend. What I've read is superb!
If I wasn't so damn lazy about it...will do and thanks for your literary patience.

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail @ 10:44 - Who couldn't love Aunt Bee's home cooking!!

soapbox4u — March 14, 2012 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail! You mean you put it down?! Bummer. Hey, it doesn't really start to wind up until around the 4th chapter.

I'm funnin' with ya, man. I'm glad you've enjoyed it so far.

I did a quick med-post this morning. Other than that there's nothing new from your last visit. Oh, wait! I guess I did post the exchange with Commissioner Mielke on the blog. It's at the head of the "Letters" category.

I dropped Stuart a line this morning asking if he couldn't help me out. Stuart is my distict.

My Ol' Woman keeps telling me "they're" gonna drag me out'a here. Says she won't come visit either. Heh!

I'll bet you something shiny the "inaction is not approval" tact is what the feds take in this case. If'n I was on that side of the fence I darn sure would. I don't see any other wiggle room.

As I posted previously, it should prove interesting.

Drift — March 14, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soap- Best apple pie ever!

Jon Stewart is a satirical Genius!

His rant even covers some of the misguided/misinterpreted stuff that happens here! :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/jon-stewart-fox-news-rush-limbaugh-double-standard-video_n_1344552.html

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nail: Loved the Stewart video for sure! I especially liked his pointing out the hypocrisy of playing victim when the "other" exercises free speech. I guess it is only allowable free speech when you agree with it. :)

My new favorite phrase: Mouth dump!

By the way, welcome back. You had me worried for awhile.

And soap: don't be such a stranger!

manthou — March 14, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Rick Santorum put his foot in it this time.***

You'd think Santorum would want to butter up Puerto Ricans a bit more deftly, given the fact that Mitt Romney's victories in American Samoa and Hawaii last night actually won him more delegates than Santorum grabbed with his Alabama and Mississippi wins. Yet according to Reuters, Santorum told El Vocero, a local newspaper, "Like any other state, there has to be compliance with this and any other federal law ... And that is that English has to be the principal language. There are other states with more than one language such as Hawaii but to be a state of the United States, English has to be the principal language."

hawkeye — March 14, 2012 at 5:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye @ 11:01 a.m.

Of everything that has been said in debate between me and nailingit... a nickname of two parties whose writes parallel each other to a T...that's your reasoning to "somewhat agree" with him? Well my fellow forum dweller...

I respect your opinion. I do not agree with you in this instance, but I respect your opinion.

goldenoldie — March 14, 2012 at 5:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: Did you hear Rachel Maddow discuss the rumor of a Gingrich/Perry challenge ticket as a trial balloon at the Repub convention?

Maverick rogues. A revolt.

manthou — March 14, 2012 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Red Bull has had to pull its latest commercial after it received more than 100 complaints in one evening. The animated spot, which ran in South Africa, shows a "bored" Jesus climbing out of a boat to walk on water. "It's not a miracle," he tells the disciples. "You just have to know what the stepping stones are." He then slips and shouts his own name. "We suggest that the marketing team make a serious effort to attend sensitivity training," the Southern African Catholic Bishops' Conference said. "Faith based symbols are more than marketing opportunities."

Message to the Bishops' Conference: Success depends what on what you mean by sensitivity training and where you intend to apply it.

roger — March 14, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: Did you hear Rachel Maddow discuss the rumor of a Gingrich/Perry challenge ticket as a trial balloon at the Repub convention? -- manthou — March 14, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.

Interesting. Seems I saw Newtie on the early morning news saying he and Santorum would have 2/3 the delegates come convention time - the message was that Romney can pack it in; a conservative coalition would carry the day. I laughed then - Newtie would be lucky to have 20% of that 2/3. Now I'm laughing even harder.

REVIEW, rineshi

roger — March 14, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — March 14, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.

"Of everything that has been said in debate between me and nailingit..."

You know "debate" is one thing and I really enjoy it, but you two take it a step further and I don't enjoy that. I just wish you guys could find a common ground.

I, on the other hand, have a problem with Penny and can't take her bizarre thought process.

hawkeye — March 14, 2012 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal


N @ 10:38 am

http://tinyurl.com/298cnmy

..

Definition of "Peace" line number "2" Merriam Webster Online:

*"freedom from disquieting or oppressive thoughts or emotions "*

IN MY OPINION...that includes freedom from having to display such thoughts or emotions as well. The word, "Peace" is consistently abused in the English language. One does not engage in a personal attack to another, then expect all to be well by utilizing the word, "Peace" with the assumption the other person will not react. Rather contradictory in my book...but what else could I expect from you?

..

Nothing generated for "go" to have to apologize. Nope! Ain't gonna happen. I have no issues with issuing apologies but in this instance...there is none. Your opinion of me is just that...an opinion. While you may state that I am the worst on the forums, others have contradicted your thoughts. You have stated others have left the forum because of me...even though I was absent during the time they decided to leave. Yet another general statement with no evidence.

..

"I endured month after month of being bashed by those on the right..."

First of all...I'm not on the Right. I do not associate myself with ANY Political Party. I was merely stating what I had registered as...while my entire adulthood, I crossed party lines to vote. And you haven't been slinging the mud yourself??? You say "Poor Me???" Yeah...poor you. It's ALL about you now, isn't it. Remember, this is an "OPINION" forum. You're going to read things you don't agree with. Condescending comments never accomplish anything. Heck, just look at your reaction when I referred you to a prior forum dweller!!! You passed the test on that one.

..

N - We all walk in different directions in life. How you began your political beliefs, your political thoughts as a teen and young adult and how you have developed your opinion for what it is today is your business. Unless you walk in my shoes, you haven't a clue. I do not condone or condemn actions or words of those whose political beliefs I agree or disagree. I reserve MY right to comment or question those opinions expressed which do not follow what I believe. It is my intention to have the person share in discussion, explaining their point of view in order for me to further understand where they're coming from. When the other party resorts to condescending mannerisms rather than fully explaining their point of view...they'd better darned well expect me to pull my trump card and call them as I see them...hence the "fissy poo" comment.

And Finally...

For the kajillionth time, the person who goes by the pen name of "goldenoldie" ONLY posts as goldenoldie.

goldenoldie — March 14, 2012 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk, would that be Penny on FB side? Same goes for me. Cannot fathom where her stance on things come from.

As to the "debate": Nail and Fiscal do not write remotely the same. Fiscal could not spell nor think nor did he express any love for Ds. Did not like Rs either too much though. He is happily misspelling on FB side and that's where he should stay. No more speedsheets!

luvithere — March 14, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


is there a point where you will concede acorn was an activity created to promote progessive agenda? if not, then i'm wasting my time.

DeeLittle — March 13, 2012 at 9:27 p.m

*Dee, if you mean a progressive agenda to register people to vote, then I certainly agree with you. dfsadfh*

**done and done.**

DeeLittle — March 14, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That's fine, Hawkeye. I've said what I'm going to say to N...no second thoughts, no ill feelings from what I have said. You know the old cliche'..."If the person can't stand the heat..."

Remember reading this comment earlier in the week -

*This is why basil and the cat left. They just got sick of you. Maybe you will get lucky pretty soon and I'll follow their example. I suppose you'll bring your posse of supporting avatars back...you know..
maybe it is time for FB.
nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.*

Obviously false accusations brought to the attention of the forum dwellers by N just because I asked why he was becoming unruly and uncivil lately...and all you could say was "Now kids!!!! Can't we play nice? No name calling and no back talk. We don't want anybody getting carried away." Then I make a comparison of N with F...and THEN you step in with your comment at 6:00 pm???

I get it now...it's more of the same old, same old "Good Ol' Boyz Club." A woman with an opinion...one who's not afraid to speak her mind...isn't welcome unless she degrades herself by brown nosing and cowering to the boyz, huh!!! Gotta put the woman in her place, now.

Well, not THIS woman.

goldenoldie — March 14, 2012 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 5:33 PM: I did not have the pleasure of seeing that Red Bull ad. I think, in general, the media is pushing the envelope as far as the consumers who gobble it up will let is stretch. That goes for ads, as well. And talk shows and .....(fill in the blanks). Civility and manners do not seem to be very hip any longer. :(

I am a big fan of this author: Martin Lindstrom. He wrote 2 excellent books, "Buyology" and "Brandwashed." I highly recommend them both because informed consumers are not passive consumers. He exposes so much of the psychological manipulation that goes into selling a product and a brand.

manthou — March 14, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere: Penny used to post as "Pen" here, until she got into a fight with another poster over, of all things, hunting. Or at least that is how I remember it.

manthou — March 14, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...gender cards not accepted. Too many race & bait cards going around.

manthou @ 18 n 30- Mouth dump indeed! Memorable! The Perry-Gingrich thing sounds like desperation on Newt's part. Newt likes to think he's smart now, wait till he's side by side with Perry! Isn't it ironic, that in part the Citizen's United decision is responsible for this drawn out circus wreaking havoc in the Republican party. If Rick and Newt didn't have their own Billionaire it would have been over a long time ago. It's sad when the wealthy can openly control a Presidential election. It's like we are 3rd world.

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift @ 1:41- *My Ol' Woman keeps telling me "they're" gonna drag me out'a here. Says she won't come visit either. Heh!*

With all sincerity bro, I hope that never happens! But if they do, try to videotape it. Great entertainment for the basement as well as great documentation for future action! :)

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: If you did not catch "Game Change" on HBO, I recommend it. I avoided it until I saw an interview with Steve Schmidt, who said it was all true as experienced. They just did not fully vet her. And Senator McCain, in another interview, did not refute anything, but he looked pained, poor guy.

That decision was the Achilles Heel of the Republican party (to draft Mrs. Palin). You mention the havoc a Gingrich/Perry option would pose to the convention. It all started with the 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate, in my opinion. And they have been scrapping ever since. I had a lot of respect for John McCain.

Such as it is. That and a quarter will get you nothing these days. :)

manthou — March 14, 2012 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Such as it is. That and a quarter will get you nothing these days. :)

manthou — March 14, 2012 at 7:58 p.m

Not true, I think you can still get a big piece of bubble gum.

hawkeye — March 14, 2012 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou-I plan on seeing it soon. I like Schmidt's analysis during the debates that I've seen on MSNBC. Palin has intimated that she could run if this goes to convention! What a show!

Before Sarah there was Bush, now we have Santorum and Gingrich in the last rounds.

The quality of GOP Pres/Vice candidates and runner-ups for the last 20 years speak volumes about their party.

We could still see a Palin/Bachman ticket!

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Okay, for some reason I finally decided to "Please take a second to review our community guidelines." How weird, the fifth bullet says:

"Respect privacy. Don’t post personal contact information. You probably wouldn’t appreciate it if that was plastered on Columbian.com, so don’t do it yourself."

Which to me would mean: don't do facebook, all or your info belongs to us (or maybe them). No real comment here, just a wow! You people are definitely strange.

dfsadfh — March 14, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY9yEi-ZNLE

roger @ 5:33-Hard to see why this offends anyone. The faithful should toughen up!

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 8:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*You people are definitely strange.*

YOU people....?

DeeLittle — March 14, 2012 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As I am apparently still awake (last night I had problems going to sleep. Every time I thought I was going to sleep an image of James O'Keefe in his pimp costume with multiple hidden cameras would pop into my mind and keep me from going to sleep) were any of the Columbian crew able to ask Rep H-B about the Limbaugh controversy? You know, what has become known as "Slutgate." I for one would like to know her opinion on this controversy.

dfsadfh — March 14, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh- What annoying images! The nightmare is that some support this guy.

*any of the Columbian crew able to ask Rep H-B about the Limbaugh controversy?*

Great question. She could use this opportunity and take a principled stand. Or she could.....

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — March 14, 2012 at 8:48 p.m

"YOU people....?"

Actually I was referring to the Columbian staff. They say don't do this: "post personal contact information" but they mandate using facebook which very definitely does that.

As I say, "how strange."

dfsadfh — March 14, 2012 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 8:43 p.m.

Well, let's just say they probably don't want to pick Mohammed for their next subject. I'm not that versed on Islam, but I don't think forgiving rates all that highly with them.

roger — March 14, 2012 at 9:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I think you're right. Extremists might go all salman rushdie on their fat wah's :)

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*any of the Columbian crew able to ask Rep H-B about the Limbaugh controversy? You know, what has become known as "Slutgate." I for one would like to know her opinion on this controversy.*

just to keep everything clear and unambiguous, would you also like to know her opinion of bill maher?

DeeLittle — March 14, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee,

Sure, let's hear the difference between a stand up comedian (who I don't agree with) who said the word slut referring to a public figure, I believe it was once, and Rush, who pretty much spent three days trashing a young lady who was not a public figure for things that she did not say and then gave one of the lamest apologies of all time. Yo, talk about false equivalencies. You do realize that the laws are different for public figures and private individuals right?

I'm off to bed, got to make up for last nights lack of sleep. Good night, bon nuit, guten nacht, what ever.

dfsadfh — March 14, 2012 at 9:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Rush+Bill=false equivalency. Not only the acts don't compare, but Bill Maher has never been touted as a Democratic hero and lionized on the floor of Congress as Limbaugh has been to Republicans.

**Rush Limbaugh, honorary Republican Congressman**

Some observers seem to think that Barack Obama has "elevated" Rush Limbaugh to a position of leadership in the Republican Party. Nonsense. Republicans did that long ago.

It was the House Republicans who made Limbaugh an honorary member of their caucus and gave him credit for the GOP takeover of Congress in 1994.

It was the leaders of the conservative movement who embraced Limbaugh's far-right agenda, marginalizing themselves with ill-considered and unpopular - though Rush-approved - stances on nearly every significant issue that has come up over the past two decades.

It was Dick Cheney and other prominent Republicans who chose to enhance Limbaugh's stature by appearing regularly on his radio program.

Limbaugh's place at the center of the conservative movement - though not of the population at large -- is so well-established, even Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz describes him as a "mainstream conservative."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200901280005

nailingit — March 14, 2012 at 10:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- Perfect false equivalency!

dfsadfh --- I empathize with you over the O'Keefe images. I was so impressed that you could continue to comment last night after seeing that someone was referring to O'Keefe [Breitbart], Joseph Farah [Birther, WorldNet Daily], frontpagemag.com [David Horowitz] as sources. You and mrd continued and I think that is a real skill. You have more patience and maturity than I have. At first, I thought the person was joking by bringing up the Breitbart devotees. Life is too short to waste energy struggling with Captcha to proceed with any attempt at rational discussion once the O'Keefe & Breitbart images are there.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTIADS4RKyw

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 12:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


wowwww... "langenthal".

you've elevated selective reading to an art. since there's nothing to indicate any form of an open mind in your post, you have **WON!!!!**

what, you ask?

why, the honor of being the first poster i've ever put on perm ignore after reading just one comment from you. i'm not even going to bother pointing out the inaccuracies that ooze from your fingers.

i'm sure you'll play with the other zombies just fine.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 12:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**dfsadfh**

sorry, diffie. donwanna play.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 12:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


sorry, diffie. donwanna play.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 12:49 a.m

There's a shocker! LOL

hawkeye — March 15, 2012 at 6:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Incredible stuff! These guys are giving humanity a bad name.....

**War On Women: Chuck Schumer Says Violence Against Women Act Will Get Senate Vote**

The Violence Against Women Act passed overwhelmingly in 1994, and was renewed easily in 2000 and 2005. But it suddenly became a partisan issue last month, when every Republican on the Judiciary Committee opposed it, and it passed in a 10 to 8 vote.

Republicans objected to new language in the bill that would extend protections to undocumented immigrants and LGBT victims of domestic violence, as well as allowing native American authorities to prosecute some non-native offenders.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/war-on-women-chuck-schumer_n_1346124.html?ref=politics

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 7:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


“Nothing in the world is more dangerous
than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

~ Martin Luther King Jr.

ELISI — March 15, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


One of the underhanded back door efforts Republicans are enacting in the War On Women is redistricting. This is what's happening in Republican controlled states around the country.

This one in NC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnQTE1...

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Separation of 'Church n' State'?.....:)))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9cD9...

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


go @ 10:15- LOL! Great vid! What a head of hair! He could throw in a few chord progressions and beef it up a bit though....just sayin'

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Think tanks still look for Koch cash**

Conservative groups are scrambling to distance themselves from a Koch money controversy, but that doesn’t mean they’ll stop cashing checks from the billionaire brothers who fund many right-leaning operations in Washington.
Charles and David Koch set off a firestorm in the think tank world when they filed a lawsuit in late February as part of an ongoing battle to seize control of the Cato Institute. In response, several libertarian-leaning scholars at Cato, came out swinging, publicly saying they would leave the organization if the Kochs are successful — which drew national media attention to the arcane shareholder fight.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74040.html#ixzz1pDW5pdVy

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.

Thanks for your kind words. It was indeed a task to keep my patience. I rarely go to the sites that were referenced, I like my blood pressure where it is, it took me a long time to get it here and I don't want to have it go back up, but really, wing nut daily? This is an accurate source? I'm guessing that the Congressional study I cited was not accurate enough for Dee since it has been ignored.

Now Dee has blacklisted you, don't know why, I didn't see any inaccuracies in your post, and I've been told Dee won't play any more. This is somewhat strange since I didn't realize we were playing, I thought that we were having a discussion concerning ACORN and the myths about it. And really, "diffie?" as in "I don't have anything to rebut your argument so I'm going to make fun of you."

Wasn't it Jim Morrison and the Doors who once sang "People Are Strange."

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*There's a shocker! LOL
hawkeye*
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he vus varned, haweye.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*And really, "diffie?" as in "I don't have anything to rebut your argument so I'm going to make fun of you."*

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no...as in, i asked you, "is there a point where you will concede acorn was an activity created to promote progessive agenda?", and your reply was, "Dee, if you mean a progressive agenda to register people to vote, then I certainly agree with you."

obviously, you're only interested in advancing your agenda. so, have a great life with your fellow travelers.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I have a question Dee. So, if a person does not agree with your opinion of Acorn and not concede a point to you when they obviously disagree, you then state you will no longer play? To me, the exchange smacked of anger on your part because someone disagreed.
Please let me know if I misunderstood.

luvithere — March 15, 2012 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.

Oh dear, did you really just say that you don't want people to vote or even get registered to vote? Isn't that relatively un-american? Now who has an agenda?

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i've been pondering the issue of our (new? just infrequent?) recent posters.

i'm going out on a limb here, and presume to speak for the group. FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME, GUYS.

the basement has been a community of posters looonnng before 'captcha' was anything except a regional pronunciation in lou b.'s mind.

we consist of struggling catholics (me), atheists, agnostics, pro- and anti-gay marriage, progressives, dem's, repub's, conservatives, libertarians, whatever.

we respect each others' opinions. we are here to listen to others' viewpoint, consider the facts they use to back it up, and are open-minded enough to *change our opinion if warranted.*

if you just want to attack 'the other side', go away.
if you just regurgitate talking points, we'll largely ignore you.

but, if you post here, expect ALL OF US to do our own research on your veracity, and point out where your facts are wrong. what you do with that information will determine if you're part of the community or not.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 2:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I have a question Dee. So, if a person does not agree with your opinion of Acorn and not concede a point to you when they obviously disagree, you then state you will no longer play? To me, the exchange smacked of anger on your part because someone disagreed. Please let me know if I misunderstood.*

if we can continue to discuss that which we disagree upon, i'm fine continuing. but if there's no intention to come to a meeting of the minds, then no:

> Oh dear, did you really just say that
> you don't want people to vote or even
> get registered to vote? Isn't that
> relatively un-american? Now who has an
> agenda?
>
> dfsadfh

as i've said before, *sincere* people can disagree.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*if you just want to attack 'the other side', go away. if you just regurgitate talking points, we'll largely ignore you.
but, if you post here, expect ALL OF US to do our own research on your veracity, and point out where your facts are wrong. what you do with that information will determine if you're part of the community or not.*

What the hell??? LOL!

Glad to have Drift, dfsadfh, langenthal...anyone new or old posting here. All are welcome, we don't have rules on people posting, Matt/C does.

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 2:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh and nailingit --- I don't understand the term "blacklisted" in this context. I use "Ignore User" if that is what is meant.

If you watch Melissa Harris Perry on Sat & Sun 7-9 am on MSNBC, she is going to have a panel discussing some of the voter rights legislation.

You are obviously up to speed on the subject. Sometimes it takes so much to just get the playing field even so a discussion on the merits can begin. Any nuanced conversation can be impossible because you have to keep correcting and trying to get all the background accurate. Another term that came to mind was "bargaining in good faith". I always thought of that when Fro was around. It seemed like a waste to engage because he didn't seem serious. Some similarities here.

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee,

"You are entitled to your own opinion, but are not entitled to your own facts."

Attributed to Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


back atcha, diffie....since i am convinced you're here only to attack...guess who just got blocked. now..either go away, or try to find another target.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle @ 2:22 p.m.

Good comment...and as Langenthal has pointed out in their comment about the utilization of "Ignore User..."

Not speaking for others opinions, but in my case...good advice. Sometimes, a person just can't reason with ignorance of others with their one-sided narrow mind as they post and it becomes a battle of wits, ugly innuendos and insults which accomplish absolutely nothing. In my case, it is hopeless in my attempts trying to share in civil discussion with people like ...well... you know who I'm speaking of (along with their little puppy dogs licking their wounded pride). That is why I've decided to take your advice at 2:22 pm and will continue to share my input in the way I know best and any personal attacks from here on in by others will be met with the dexterity of my forefinger as I click on "suggest removal." You know, it's amazing how so many comments in this week's forum have suddenly transformed into grey bars lately, lol.

goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dee,

Ref: "we respect each others' opinions. we are here to listen to others' viewpoint, consider the facts they use to back it up, and are open-minded enough to change our opinion if warranted."

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Not sure if it's the phases of the moon or something else, but we have a tendency to go through cycles where everybody is mad at each other (generally speaking) and others where we're all on good behavior.

As nailing notes, Matt sets the formal rules. Our "rules" are the informal ones. And we all break them as suits our purposes. Such as you and I posting comments on the facebook side, for example - heresy in the minds of some here. Sir Basil insisted every statement needed a reference. Etc.

I guess we're just one big dysfunctional family. There's a Ramones tune I'd find and plug in here, except I'm in a hurry. I think it's called We're A Happy Family, if I remember correctly.

roger — March 15, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Feds Grant Arapaho Tribe Permission to Kill Two Bald Eagles in Wyoming"

http://tinyurl.com/7k883nd

goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, care to cite your reference???

Just kidding.

goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The GOP candidates won't be coming to Portland, evidently Romney & Santorum declined. Not sure why, didn't see any reason given. No great loss to me, I wouldn't have watched it anyway, but I think OPB might feel bad about it, and that's too bad.

mrd — March 15, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**ROGER**
that's the same relationship i have with my siblings and my one remaining kid....WELCOME TO TH' FAMILY :)

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.

Yes, ignore user was what I meant, I was perhaps waxing a little too poetic.

I am rarely up at seven AM on any day unless it's a good day to play golf, I'll look for it on the MSNBC site.

I did not know that quoting deceased senators was an attack on anyone, live and learn I guess.

Dee, I understand that you are not reading this, but sorry I am not going away. On the other hand if the weather ever improves enough to play golf I won't be spending quite as much time reading online.

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In other news, or rather sports, my alma mater almost (but not quite) became the first number 16 seed to take out a number one. Drat darn and other words to that effect.

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger --- Can't understand anger when we are unknown to each other and it's an open forum provided by a newspaper. Some must be wound too tightly if anything here prompts anger. [SMH] However, as to dysfunctional family, Thanksgiving dinner might be awkward. A deft hostess/host would have to keep several conversations going and move along --- nothing to see here.

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*"Feds Grant Arapaho Tribe Permission to Kill Two Bald Eagles in Wyoming"*

yeah...they say they need feathers for their religious ceremonies. thing is, there's a gvt depository in oregon that has parts of endangered animals. they HAVE eagle feathers they could give the tribe.

on the one hand, they're a separate nation. but, on the other, that's the symbol of our nation AND very low in numbers.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh --- Chris Hayes comes on at 5 and MHPerry at 7. Panels are people you aren't used to seeing and time is allowed for actual discussions. Perry is a professor at Tulane & then goes to NY for Sat & Sun. The hashtag for her program is #nerdland on Twitter if that tells you anything. Def fact based.

I wish more from here were on Twitter. Some from WA in JHB district tweet regularly. Also, Columbian reporters tweet. Links can be shared and a reader can keep up with various writers and publications. Twitter moves quickly and you can keep up with any interest. 140 character limit per tweet but you get used to it. I see the headlines almost in real time.

Sorry if I seem incoherent, my computer is going bad & only stays on for a short time so I rush & don't edit.

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle @ 4:21 pm

It makes no sense to me whatsoever that they would have to sacrifice the lives of two splendid birds of prey with the accessibility through the depository (or even the Zoos or wildlife rehab centers). I'm not sure that many are aware that eagles pair up for life. If the Arapaho Nation decides to take out two eagles in different locations, that's like wiping out future populations which could be generated in two separate nests.

I have no issue with religious ceremonies which the Tribal Nations utilize Eagle/Hawk feathers but I do have direct concerns on the extent of acquiring Eagle feathers through elimination of these two, especially when there are plenty of extra feathers at rehab centers and at the depository. I am wondering though...do the Arapaho have the right to do this every year or is this just a one time elimination of our symbol of freedom?

goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**

i believe this is the first permit granted to anyone in fifty years.

perhaps, if there's an .. um.. change of opinion at higher levels around november, the decision will be reconsidered.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"...both the right and the left are upping the political rhetoric as the campaign unfolds".

oh, great. just what we needed. i wonder if can turn my tv into a device where i can just loop nice, fuzzy animal vid's until this 'season of the mouth' is over.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> You know, it's amazing how so many
> comments in this week's forum have
> suddenly transformed into grey bars
> lately, lol. ``` goldenoldie

-----------------------------------

just occurred to me....we've now a graybar hotel in the basement !!

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh @ 4:01- *I did not know that quoting deceased senators was an attack on anyone, live and learn I guess.*

You'll find that a few play the victim card when they run out of suitable logic. It happens frequently but provides humor!

langenthal-@ 3:07 *Sometimes it takes so much to just get the playing field even so a discussion on the merits can begin.* *Any nuanced conversation can be impossible because you have to keep correcting and trying to get all the background accurate.*

I've found one of the benefits of posting links is that it sets the stage somewhat for discussion.

*It seemed like a waste to engage because he didn't seem serious. Some similarities here.*

Yep! :)

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, why don't we just call it the Graybar Hotel from now on??? Those behind our gray bar can be the hidden basement dwellers, lol.

Regarding that "Nice Fuzzy Animal Videos till this Season of the Mouth is over..."

Even if nobody watched the videos, I'm afraid the outcome would still be the same.

Also...I noticed that this was the first permit...but I'm truly wondering what the specifics of this permit are...if it's going to be like the harvesting of whales up north where it's once a year or if this is a once in a lifetime commitment.

And what's with captcha again??? Seven times till the letters were actually legible.

goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It appears Glenn Beck had another "mouth dump" yesterday. Chris Matthews had to take the last few minutes of his show and debunk this idiot. How can anyone watch this creep?

langenthal- Thanks for the heads up on Melissa Perry's subject matter. Should be good. These baggers want to take us back to 1950.

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- I haven't thanked you for that. I really appreciate your efforts & always timely. That's how I use Twitter and the Forums too. I follow up on links others share. Wish Forum had a "Like" option. I always check for your links & then go back & read other posts [sans Ignore User ones --- smile. I'll confess I don't always have the mental bandwidth to research when it's not productive.

BTW,looks like I might be replacing my Sony Vaio. Suggestions? Laptop has been great to now.

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 6:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**I believe Mr. Santorum is trying to isolate a large part of his constituents.**

"Rick Santorum wants to put an end to the distribution of pornography in the United States.

"America is suffering a pandemic of harm from pornography," Santorum's official website reads. "Pornography is toxic to marriages and relationships. It contributes to misogyny and violence against women. It is a contributing factor to prostitution and sex trafficking."

The former Pennsylvania senator states that, "as a parent, I am concerned about the widespread distribution of illegal obscene pornography and its profound effects on our culture."

**Remember, when you outlaw porn, only outlaws will have porn.** Talk about your black market.

hawkeye — March 15, 2012 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee, GO, Haven't you heard? The state of Oregon is taking the bald eagle OFF the endangered specie list since they are back in full strength again.

hawkeye — March 15, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal: I just replaced my Vaio with a Macbook Air. It is the little 11 inch one that I can pop in my big purse when I fly. Amazing.

Nail: Six Republicans showed their support for the Violence Against Women Act: Sens. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, Mike Crapo of Idaho, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and Mark Kirk of Illinois.

I hope we are seeing some movement toward bipartisanship in this area. I don't understand any of this repressive legislation or talk of deep-sixing Planned Parenthood. Women are a good percentage of the population. Some would say the "better half." :) They tend to vote, last time I checked.

manthou — March 15, 2012 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk...

define 'full strength' >smirk

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> I don't understand any of this
> repressive legislation or talk of
> deep-sixing Planned Parenthood.
manthou

do you know about stings where p/p was filmed giving advise to a 'pimp' about abortions for his underage prostitutes?

if so, what is your opinion of them?

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee if there was such a sting, the people caught need to go. That does not mean Planned Parenthood needs to go.

Or we equally could say: some catholic priests are pedophiles, therefore the whole church needs to go.

luvithere — March 15, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- Thank you for the kind words!

*BTW,looks like I might be replacing my Sony Vaio. Suggestions? Laptop has been great to now.*

My computer expertise is most likely on the level of Homer Simpson. I've used Macs forever and sport a MacBookPro for my laptop. I can't imagine having a more user friendly laptop than this! It's great and never have had a problem. Having said that...

With what has come out about Apple taking the largest percentage of it's workforce to China and making insane profits off the backs of Chinese workers whose conditions are so bad they threaten mass suicide, .... too much self idealism I guess. There was a time America frowned on using slave labor..what a turn around in the last twenty years..anyway it would be nice if Apple could bring a few more jobs stateside.

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I heard Mitt Romney say he was would get rid of Planned Parenthood, in the same manner he would order his driver to hurry up and open his door for him. This guy is amazing!

What makes this War on Women the Republicans are enacting so weird, is not only that it's a political killer for them (and they double down anyway), but the motivations behind it. Which, to this point I haven't figured them all out. Concerning contraception, could it be as simple as the old "barefoot n' pregnant" thing? With planned parenthood and the many avenues of health services they provide to include cancer screenings, are they trying to shorten the life span and reduce the number of women in America? This thing with domestic violence, and so many other matters, onandonandon...:(

Even Peggy Noonan has decried what her party is doing as a war on women...

America must never let a 2010 happen again!

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit- *Or we equally could say: some catholic priests are pedophiles, therefore the whole church needs to go.*

.....and...........:))

[meant in humor] I need a humor icon or something...oh yeah...:))

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 7:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 6:10- Nothing like small government! It's part of the Republican war on women in the porn industry!

Maybe if the current administration had a 'Porn Czar'.

What's Rep. Weiner up to nowadays?

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luv

hafta concede the point. however....

the church handled the issue by trying (unsuccessfully, obviously) to 'rehabilitate' them...that was the 'in' thing to do back then. we now realize that kicking their a$$e$ into a jail cell really was the right thing to do. don't see the same thing w/planned/p....they seem to be ideologically committed to the mindset that would allow the aforementioned activities.

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 7:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye --- I'm thinking porn, contraceptives, and Tide would be the way to go if you're setting up a black market enterprise.

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — March 15, 2012 at 6:10 p.m. --- "Rick Santorum wants to put an end to the distribution of pornography in the United States."

Yep - The boy's got some kind of issue going. I'll bet his momma caught him in the bathroom with the Sears catalog open to the women's underwear section when he was 10 years old. Traumatized him for life.

Maybe I better beg forgiveness now.

roger — March 15, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Go Zags!!! One win in the books.

roger — March 15, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.

I'm filling up my basement, know any video stores going out of business?

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.

Oregon said their numbers are back up and they didn't need to have them on the list any longer.

hawkeye — March 15, 2012 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POemb...

It's out! After game dessert!

My Runnin' Rebs have their hands full!

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.

Well this is probably useless after the last couple of days but:

Links please? Where is is this substantiated?

Damn, I'm channeling Basil.

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Curious the way Nate McMillan was canned. Granted, they aren't winning this year, but he's been a PR boon for that team. He restored order, made the fans forget the Jail Blazers, and filled the stadium.

Supposedly there were locker room problems. They got rid of two of their better players (Wallace and Canby). Aldridge isn't a leader, and Batun is too young. Something says that team will be in trouble for a while - just like when my Suns got gutted a few years back.

roger — March 15, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal, Nailingit, Hawkeye, whomever. Can anyone recommend a local Vancouver Blog that is a member of the reality based community?

There used to be several but they now either require a google login, (Blogspot/Blogger) which I don't do, or have stopped updating. I read horsesass.org daily but they don't necessarily cover Vancouver.

dfsadfh — March 15, 2012 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Almost forgot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQlM59...

roger — March 15, 2012 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Powerful video!

While watching I couldn't help but think what a Rick Santorum or a Mitt Romney video would look like.....ohhhh the parody!

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Can anyone recommend a local Vancouver Blog that is a member of the reality based community?*

dfsadfh- Drift has a most excellent blog with regards to all things Cannabis. His is the only local based blog I visit.

http://capndrift.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/more-moratorium-crap/

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh- Thanks for the horsesass turn on! (didn't sound right..)

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, you are speaking to someone who has studied raptors for many, many years...bald eagles, especially. I am fully aware that it has been taken off of the endangered/threatened species list. That isn't the point. The American Bald Eagle is the emblem representational of our nation's power and to some such as myself, killing them outright for ceremonial purposes to me...

...is just wrong, especially when there are a multitude of other opportunities to obtain Eagle feathers for their ceremonies. THAT'S my point.

goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — March 15, 2012 at 9:05 p.m

I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just saying that that's what Oregon did. I think they are quite beautiful and killing them for any reason shouldn't be allowed.

hawkeye — March 15, 2012 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**DOWN WITH KILLING ALL DUMB ANIMALS**.....except republicans, right?

DeeLittle — March 15, 2012 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee at 7:22 PM.

No, no they didn't try to rehab. At best they tried to isolate. At worst cover up. What pedophiles have to do with Planned Parenthood I've not a clue. And no, I'm not picking on the church. Anywhere you find children, Aqualung will be lurking.

Nail at 8:56 PM.

Thanks for the plug, man! dfsadfh, the closest I come to politics is the letter category. My blog is about prohibition reform. Not lefts, rights, conservatives...

GO at 9:05 PM.

Those people were taking eagles for ceremony long begfore there was a Untited States. I don't know, but the taking of the bird could well be integral to the gig. Next you know, someone will say they can't reach another plane through the ingestion of... Oh, wait.

I'm off to work on that short story (currently 1,500 words). I got it back from the first mark-up. Oh, geez... what a mess.
I've 15 days before the submission deadline.

Plugging into Pandora and punching out.
Night all.

Drift — March 15, 2012 at 9:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh --- Wish that I could help. I think that's why I use Twitter. Of course, I don't use my name.

I follow an excellent and informative education blog out of Seattle: http://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/

Please post if you find one. That would be great to not have to filter.

Hawkeye --- Ha! A really great video store [Movie Movers] went out of business in January but they didn't carry what you're looking for!

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 10:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Classic! Maher for President!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if88Pg...

nailingit — March 15, 2012 at 10:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit and Manthou 6:18 --- To end the evening on a mellow note --- Here's a link from Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. Click on the video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-barbara-boxer/standing-up-for-our-right_b_1336577.html

langenthal — March 15, 2012 at 10:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, can someone please explain to me the thing with Tide? I understand that people are actually stealing it from the stores but other than doing laundry, what is it good for? I would think there would be at least five or six things that you could steal from the store that would be more valuable than Tide. Just wondering.....

hawkeye — March 16, 2012 at 12:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning Hawkeye,

Tide you say?
Well as you know it's used for laundry, it's also used (in powder form) on roofs for moss control ..and it works great to clean up oil off concrete garage floors..

That's all I know..have no clue why people are stealing it.

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 6:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


“The aim of education
should be to teach the child to think,
not what to think.”

~ John Dewey

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 6:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


dsfadfh @ 8:31 PM: Are you talking about Politics is a Blood Sport? That was my favorite for Clark County and WA state politics. The blogger is an excellent writer and presents a point of view that is acutally educated and digestible.

Here is the link: www.aneurinsblog.blogspot.com. It now requires a google account, so this might be the one to which you refer.

For satire, nothing is better than The Daily Couve: http://dailycouve.blogspot.com/ Rumor has it that this is the brainchild of the former Vancouver Voice editor, Ossie Bladine.

I am a fan of HorsesAss.org, too. Great for state politics. Don't forget All Politics is Local here on the C for local slant. I think the reporters have done a great job.

Hey! Why don't you start your own? If you do, let us know. :)

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal and nailingit: Thanks much for posting the video links at 8:17 PM and 10:37 PM. Very inspiring.

I have to say, this attack on women's self-determination from the far right has ignited a spark in so many to unite and fight back. It is almost surreal this was such a political miscalculation. Way to disenfranchise a large portion of the voting population, guys! Keep it coming. You have unleashed the best in personal advocacy and have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

The President's video is awesome. What can I say?

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 6:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning. Dee, I think you missed my point yesterday. If you want to throw out all of PP because of one sting, then let's close down the whole Catholic Church also. There are too many cases of pedophile priests to allow the church to continue. Forget everything else they do. Same logic. Same fallacy.

The point I was trying to make is that you cannot paint it all with the same brush and get rid of it based on one incidence. But if you do, let's do the same for other organizations, like the church. But let's not pick on one organization who does not fit our mind set and use one instance to argue for their demise while ignoring all the many bad instances of another. That goes for both sides.

However, rehab for those priests? Give me a break. Moving them to another parish and hiding the crimes is protection of their institution, not rehab. And it still continues. As a lapsed Catholic, I know plenty about the institution.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift @9:44 p.m.

Quote by Author Margaret Coel:

*"The eagle is a mediator between people and the creator because it flies the highest of all creatures and connects humans to the Creator. That is why the appearance of the eagle is always considered a good sign. Eagle feathers are considered sacred because they belong to a sacred bird."*

With all due respect our published forum author (congrats BTW and good luck to your future published works), the key word in your post is "were." It's just an excuse to bring attention to their little "neck of the woods." It isn't going to make any difference to their traditions by acquiring Eagle feathers from the sanctuaries (or government depositories) who preserve the very bird the Arapaho recognize as sacred (...as evidenced by their need to implement Eagle feathers in their rituals. Killing the bald eagle is not part of the ritual. Nobody is saying they cannot use the feathers and by the way, they are not the only tribe to use Eagle feathers. Elimination of the American Bald Eagle - even only one or two - is not necessary. And the feathers from just one or two Bald Eagles will not complete the wardrobe utilized in the dance they perform. This opens the door for other Tribal Nations to acquire the permits as well.

So..., I guess next that people will come up with the same mentality with the reasoning for casinos and slot machines too...because they were gamblers long before the US became what it is today??? Oh wait...they have already...SERIOUSLY! I'm not just coming up with this out of the blue. Check out the second link.

Sheesh!!!

Sun Dance

http://www.crystalinks.com/sundance.html

Arapaho

http://www.windrivercasino.com/info/about.php

goldenoldie — March 16, 2012 at 7:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A cultural dance worth attending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiioW1...

goldenoldie — March 16, 2012 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee and luvithere,

Close down churches cause of pedophiles?
Then we better shut schools, all sports, never go to a doctor or dentist, never leave your home, never allow family members into your house..never go to a circus, park...they lurk there you know..

Pedophiles are everywhere.

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi, my comparison was to illustrate a point.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere, So was mine

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


But the topic was not pedophiles (although you are correct, of course, they seem to be everywhere. Sadly, a big concentration in priests, however).

The point is not to throw out the kid with the bath water. Any other likewise comparison would have worked. I just picked that one.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


In the article I read about Native Americans killing eagles (some use golden eagles) it was mentioned the carcasses and feathers obtained from the federal repository were rotten and not suitable for the ceremony. Also, they asked how Christians would feel needing to petition and go to a federal repository to pick up a Bible for use in their religious ceremonies which is evidently how it's equates to them.

If the taking of a few eagles a year is what these folks want, it seems, after all this country has done to Native Americans, it wouldn't be too much too ask. Forcing them to petition the government that basically overran them seems rather insulting in the first place. I doubt being a national symbol of their conquerors is much of a consideration.

mrd — March 16, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


and more and more seem to be popping up in our schools lately also.

ughhh this captcha

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Plugging into Pandora and punching out. Night all.* :)

Man...you gotta love this guy!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal @10:37- The first 30 seconds I thought this vid could use beef, but wow, powerful inspirational stuff!! The GOP has awoken a sleeping giant!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, GO! Thanks for the "congrats."

I'm not sure what a casino has to do with a sacred ceremony...
What's the name of the tribe who's allowed to take a couple of whales annually? In the link you offered did you notice how the plains indians revered the buffalo (bison, actually)?

Species of whales are endangered. The bison were nearly wiped out. The bald eagle was threatened. All as a result of the behavior of European immigrants. Not from the practices of the peoples who were here thousands of years prior to the invasion.

I was going to use the word "irony" here, but I'm not so sure it's a good fit. Even still, hopefully you catch my Drift?

Drift — March 16, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Senators Say Patriot Act Is Being Misinterpreted**

“I want to deliver a warning this afternoon: When the American people find out how their government has secretly interpreted the Patriot Act, they will be stunned and they will be angry,” Mr. Wyden said. He invoked the public’s reaction to the illegal domestic spying that came to light in the mid-1970s, the Iran-contra affair, and the Bush administration’s program of surveillance without warrants.

Another member of the Intelligence Committee, Senator Mark Udall, Democrat of Colorado, backed Mr. Wyden’s account, saying, “Americans would be alarmed if they knew how this law is being carried out.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/us/27patriot.html

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BREAKING NEWS---CLOONEY ARRESTED---BREAKING NEWS---CLOONEY ARRESTED---BREAKING NEWS---CLOONEY ARRESTED---BREAKING NEWS---CLOO

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere, if the instances of pedophilia within the Catholic Churches were compared with every aspect of life including medical clinics, hospitals, dental offices, public and private schools (as recently as this week here in Vancouver), families, homes, neighborhoods, daycare facilities, athletic centers and so on and so forth, you'd find the majority of the claims the Catholic Archdiocese has had to face isn't nearly as broad as what is being portrayed by the media.

And how many of those financial reimbursements paid by the Catholic Archdiocese were settled without admission of guilt due to the length of time between the actual incidents and when reported to the church leaders???

You can't always believe what you read on the side of the media...OBVIOUSLY!

goldenoldie — March 16, 2012 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift, let me spell it out for you. Knowing what I know directly from the source with regards to acquisition of Eagle Feathers for ceremonial purposes, there's sensationalism in every article in the media world...including on organization websites. You already knew that though, right??? My point with regards to the connection of the casino and ceremonial traditions is...word manipulation to suit the needs of the writer. (Did you read the reasoning for the gambling institution on the link I provided??? Pretty convincing, huh!) Any excellent writer has that natural technique and is evidenced by the writes of several who post here in the forum.

goldenoldie — March 16, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


go- *It's just an excuse to bring attention to their little "neck of the woods."*

Would that be North America? South America? Or a combination?

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Rick Santorum turns to secretive group for money muscle**

The group’s rules forbid members from discussing it, and the media is barred from covering its meetings, even when top government officials speak, such as then-Vice President Dick Cheney and then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who appeared before the group soon after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, or Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who was the headliner at a 2008 conference.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74096_Page4.html#ixzz1pIc1UjaL

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, GO, cannot always believe the media. All so very true. But the Church covered up for pedophile priests. No ifs and buts about it, no excuse, no nothing. End of story. Period.

Still not the point of my comment to Dee yesterday. Point is: one pedophile priest should not be enough to close the church. One sting should not be enough to close PP.

I think Dee understood what I was saying. Good enough. Moving on.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou and other http://dailycouve.blogspot.com/ followers --- Check it out today. Temple Lentz is shutting it down for awhile. She is very talented.

langenthal — March 16, 2012 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.

NAILEDIT!

hawkeye — March 16, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


wait, was she not running for council or something? Do I have that totally wrong? enlighten me please.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.

Do a search on her, she's been quite busy.

hawkeye — March 16, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 12:59-**Thieves rolling Tide detergent out of US stores**

In Prince George's County, police said they learned from informants, undercover officers and other sources that drug dealers encourage their customers to pay with shoplifted Tide instead of cash.

"I'm out of marijuana right now, but when I get re-upped I'll hook you up if you can get me 15 bottles of Tide," one dealer was quoted as telling an informant, according to police.

[LOL!! WJS can be suspect at times anyway with it's far right slant. With the "selected" quote, it makes me think this is made up RW crap or at the very least exaggerated.]

Let's see...if it's the large size *HE* Tide w/Downy...and given it's 'hot Tide'...I'm figurin' about 17 large/w Downy could fetch an o-zer of decent quality.

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP3ae8bd344fbc4e80ad12a4213420cc0b.html

Oooh man...I'm in a fight with my kitchen sink/garbage disposal. AHHhh! My out of touch liberal world is being impacted with nuts n' bolts and...

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 12:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere @ 10:27 am

And my point was that the pedophiles are everywhere and have been living in secrecy for far too long. I agree with you that one bad seed isn't enough to close any organization...(in my opinion - unless it is that one bad seed running it all by themselves). And yes...moving on.

goldenoldie — March 16, 2012 at 1:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal @ 11:31 am: Temple Lentz is the Daily Couve! Well, I'll be.......

So sorry to see it take a hiatus. So impressed with her satire!

Did any one here guess this mystery author correctly?

Loved this blog!

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**LUV**

re catholic church: my information about attempted rehabilitation came directly from a priest.

re planned parenthood: before i go any further, i'd like to know what it would take for you to decide planned parenthood exists mainly to do abortions.

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — March 16, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.

Yes Politics is a Blood Sport as well as Jon DeVore, jondevore.blogspot.com are behind Google passwords and I don't do Google for the same reason that I don't do Facebook. Democracy for Vancouver, http://www.democracyforvancouver.org/ is sort of weird, the side bar references items from today including the weather, but there has not been a post since September last year. Of course I don't know if DeVore is still posting at all, He used to post up at horesesass.org but stopped about the same time his sight started requiring a Google password. Plenty of other blogspot/blogger sites out there that don't require a password, Digby's Hullabaloo, http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/ and Atrios' Eschaton, http://www.eschatonblog.com/ come immediately to mind so I have no idea what's going on.

dfsadfh — March 16, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere, be careful how you answer Dee at 3:13. Possible chance to be put on ignore if you start quoting facts about the three percent.

dfsadfh — March 16, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


planned parenthood was founded in 1916 and was known as American Birth Control League. Changed name in 1942 to Planned Parenthood.
PP began receiving fed funds in 1970, law signed by Nixon.
In 2009, Planned Parenthood provided 4,009,549 contraceptive services (35% of total), 3,955,926 sexually transmitted disease services (35% of total), 1,830,811 cancer related services (16% of total), 1,178,369 pregnancy/prenatal/midlife services (10% of total), 332,278 abortion services (3% of total), and 76,977 other services (1% of total), for a total of 11,383,900 services. The organization also said its doctors and nurses annually conduct 1 million screenings for cervical cancer and 830,000 breast exams.
No federal money is used for abortions which accounts for only 3% of their clients. It would be difficult to convince me Planned Parenthood exists mainly to perform abortions.

mrd — March 16, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As I stated on one previous occasion, I believe that Roe V. Wade, was the best decision that could be made, considering everything. Roe v. Wade is contingent on a time frame and individual circumstances.

I am hardly a fanatic on the issue. While I agree with Roe v. Wade, I empathize with the anti-abortion folks on the whole thing.

Even though no one cares what a woman does with her own body. The problem, and political problem, is what she is doing with someone else’s body.

Someone else’s body.

It is disingenuous and game-playing politics, to so summarily dismiss these concerns.

If a mother threw her new born infant in the trash can, she would suffer legal consequences. So what if she kills the unborn child a little before then, by a different method called abortion.

While I believe in the rights of the woman to kill her unborn child, within the Roe v. Wade parameters, one should be able to call it like it is. Hence: “Women’s healthcare”, “Women’s reproductive rights”, “the war on women”, and now I see Manthou’s: “women’s self determination”, is nice little way to couch the true nature of abortion through hyperbole and euphemism.

Nailingit’s constant diatribe against those who do not agree with his ideas, on much of anything, is emblematic of the unreasonableness, indeed the anger, of the Left.

This whole thing has nothing to do with some euphemistically described “War against women.”

kn_dalai — March 16, 2012 at 4:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd --- Here's your info in graph form too. It's from FactCheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

langenthal — March 16, 2012 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DFsadfh: I cannot help if anybody puts me on ignore for my opinion. I will try and always be polite. if that is not good enough... So far, dee and I are having a decent conversation.

Dee, it is my considered opinion that PP offers many healthcare services to women. They do NOT exist solely to provide abortions. Please check the stats on this issue.

They do, however, provide abortion services. Last time I checked, this is legal in this country. I much prefer that a woman gets this service at PP and not in a back alley like it used to be for so many hundreds or even thousands of years. It always happened and it will always happen. That's a fact of life. Period. I am also a supporter of this court decision.

So what does it take to make me change my mind that PP exists solely for this reason? My mind cannot be changed as I am aware of real statistics in this matter. So why would I ignore such stats? But why is it so important to change my mind? Is a friendly, non-hostile debate not enough?

As to rehab of pedophile priests. Right. There's no pedophile alive who got rehabbed yet. And you are basing this on info from one priest? That's fine. The fact remains that this church tried their hardest to cover up for decades. All over the world. And that's also a fact: quite a number of those who tried to cover, admitted it. Did some try to rehab? Possibly. But giving the priest a new parish ain't no rehab.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Even though no one cares what a woman does with her own body. The problem, and political problem, is what she is doing with someone else’s body.
Someone else’s body.*

If "no one cares" what a woman does with her body, then why all the bru-ha-ha concerning contraception? My God, Rick Santorum's idea of a missing rubber is forgetting one shoe when it rains.

I assume being redundant with the phrase "someone else's body" was done to add emphasis and a little drama. So be it. Who does that body belong to?

You so-called Libertarians can't even stand on your own beliefs.

Sooooo...as opposed to the law as it is now...you would rather have law enforcement imprison doctors for up to ten years for each patient in which the good doc did not ensure his patient was viewing her ultra-sound correctly........as is proposed in Alabama. A year in prison for dispensing birth control, either as a private citizen or a health professional.

Libertarians......I embrace many values of the Libertarian party. What I can't embrace are those who will compromise their beliefs at the drop of a hat to further a typical Conservative right wing agenda. Not honorable in my opinion.

*Nailingit’s constant diatribe against those who do not agree with his ideas, on much of anything, is emblematic of the unreasonableness, indeed the anger, of the Left.*

Feel better?

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 4:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Rick Santorum has made a campaign promise to bar "hardcore pornography" from American websites, magazines and television, but industry giants who produce much of the nation's porn aren't worried that the crusading candidate will stop the multibillion dollar industry from churning out the next "Deep Throat."

"I don't see a danger," Michael Lucas, New York's largest producer of gay adult films, told Yahoo News. "There's no danger that he will be the Republican Party nominee."

Santorum's campaign posted a position paper on its website in February that vowed to "vigorously" enforce obscenity laws and restrict the distribution of hardcore pornography, which it says has reached "pandemic" levels. The former Pennsylvania senator said he will "prohibit distribution of hardcore (obscene) pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops and through the mail or by common carrier." A spokesman for Santorum's presidential campaign did not return a request for comment.

***Especially hotel/motel TV !!!***

hawkeye — March 16, 2012 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


k_nd- By the way, good evening. *I am hardly a fanatic on the issue.*

You just never miss a chance to post on the issue.

Are you also a "personhood" advocate?

You know, "life begins at ejaculation?" Seriously.

Interesting take you have on this issue, considering you lay claim to wanting small government and all. It doesn't add up.

I bet if a person polled "Libertarians" as to Dubya's last job performance they would say it was less than dismal.

I bet if a person polled "Libertarians" as to if they voted Dubya in the second term it would be greater than great! 90% + easily.

In the words of Tyler, "It's the same old story..same old song and dance..my friend"

Again, the baggers are nothing more than Ross Perot in a skirt. Wearing funny hats. With tea bags falling off them. :)

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 5:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*this left me speechless and shaking:*

Do you remember the famous ABC radio news commentator Paul Harvey? Millions of Americans listened to his programs which were broadcast over 1,200 radio stations nationwide.

The following commentary was broadcast 47 years ago.... April 3, 1965. I hope you will listen to this. It's short...less than 3 minutes.
Notice especially what he said in 7 seconds, from 1:57 to 2:04 in the broadcast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJc8Mz...

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- It's these same conservatives that mask themselves as Libertarians. These guys have been trying to get past our bedroom door as long as Jimmy Swaggert's had a penchant for fresh produce. Almost unbelievable but not.

Instead of jobs and alternatives to healthcare it's this!

The Republican party will take more than a generation to recover from this, if they ever do, or if they ever want to.

The Republican War on Women. If this wasn't crystal to the public before, it is now!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**LUV**

> As to rehab of pedophile priests.
> Right. There's no pedophile alive who
> got rehabbed yet.

yeah, that's what i said to the priest. he looked disquieted and just said, 'well, that's what the church believed back then. it was part of the times'.

as for p/p.....i know there stats out there that show the major portion of their money comes from abortions, and only recently have they been defunded state by state because of it.....don't have cites....if i spend the time to dig through the stats-pile, would it matter to you...?

i'm happy w/an amiable stale-mate if not

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What I don't get is that Republicans focus on all this. Not jobs-now they complained about lack of jobs and Obama causing all this unemployment for three years. Now it's all about the women folk. Why? I don't get it. Right in middle of election season? Huh?

Do they want to lose? Or do they think they can get the rw base so fired up that they for sure vote?

Thereby forgetting the vast base of moderates...

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**mrd**

you didn't mention that it was founded by margaret sanger, to reduce the population of blacks.

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**LUV**

it started by the wh trying to force religious organizations to pay for coverage of birth control pills. when that started an uproar, it was changed to 'women's health', 'women's choice', 'attack on women's rights' etc.

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 5:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


President Obama's speech today in Atlanta: amazing.

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Senator Pam Galloway Resigns Seat On Wisconsin Legislature, GOP Loses Senate Control**

They are starting to fall!!!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee, I am all for stalemate at this point. Neither of us will give, let's face it. And that's fine by me. You got your opinion and I got mine.

The following post is not directed at you, my friend, it is a general post.
The pill is a wondrous thing in my opinion. It sure freed women.
As long as the same insurance company, no matter who the employer is, pays for the little pill for the male randy goats, pay for it all. To forbid pill, when it does so many good things for a female besides even birth control, is absolute hogwash. Only when the Viagra pill was invented, did males all of the sudden have so many issues. uh Huh. Ok, so I am opinionated-sue me. :)

Catholic church against it? So what? They do not rule here. Get a few women into the church hierarchy, and we are talking! Those old fogy cardinals do not speak for me. wasn't THAT long ago that this particular church was very much frowned upon by other christian churches. Kennedy debacle comes to mind. And now they seem to be **the** voice for a topic? Nah, thinketh not. But they are losing their standing in Europe these days, so they need to spread their influence where they can.
Again, my opinion. This is an opinion forum after all.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I feel so...feisty...today. I better shut up soon.

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**luv LOL**

fwiw, church ok's pill for medical use...just not contraception only. if it prevented fertilization of the egg...maybe. but (it's my opinion, too) the church sees the fertilized egg as a human being.

unless there's some really incredible science discoveries coming our way....can't err on the side of killing my baby.

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Preach it luv!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well Dee, let's just say if my kid (female, 18, the most wondrous best daughter ever) were raped by some dirt bag, I would be down at PP as soon as possible. AND pay for the procedure. At the every least, the morning after pill-if possible-would be bought the next day. For me, a fertilized egg is just that. An egg. And if I can prevent the fertilization, even better.

We beg to differ on what is life and when it starts.

And the church's role should not be in sex. As I said, a few good women in Rome and things would change drastically. They usually do. Women make the world go round!

luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...and now you know the rest of the story.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9MUy...

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


that we do!! try continuing the species without us :)

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


for that matter....
try finding the REMOTE without us

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.

So what am I? A Conservative or a Libertarian?

Personally, I don't think you have a clue. I don't think you have any more of an idea about political factions than Alleycat had.

Everything is based on your own feelings.

Ever heard of re-inventing the wheel?

No. I guess not.

kn_dalai — March 16, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*So what am I? A Conservative or a Libertarian?*

Exactly! It's hard for me to say. In the spirit of keeping posts friendly, would you like me to research the differences between the two and help you figure this out?

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In 2012, we really have to argue about renewing this law? Thumbs up to Murkowski for going up against the good ol' boys club.

http://www.adn.com/2012/03/15/2373746/senate-women-lead-fight-for-domestic.html

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.

Yes. I would like you to do the research.

I'm real sure you don't have a clue about political underpinnngs. You really have no idea.

Kn_dalai's first rule of epistemology:

- break things down to their basic parts to see what you're working with, then put things back together again to see how things work.

You may find those 17th century guys addressed issues which are still prevelant.

After 400 years, Shakespeare is still popular. West Side Story won academy awards. Midsummer Night's Dream, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Othelo, Merchant of Venice. The Taming of the Shrew. Much
Ado about Nothing. All highly acclaimed Hollywood movies.

But NOOOO. Everything is different now.

Please do your little research.

kn_dalai — March 16, 2012 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi @ 7:23: This is what I have been crowing about, too. Republican and Democratic women are going to unite on this.

Leave it to the women to figure out how to get along. :)

BTW, my husband was on a flight to Alaska with Lisa Murkowski recently and engaged her in a very serious and civil conversation about the importance of finding common ground. He reported that she was an interested listener and expressed agreement about the importance of promoting bipartisanship for the good of the nation.

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — March 16, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.

I so totally agree with you. But I am sitting here in great amusement with a side order of deju vu. Really, I thought that I was having a discussion with Dee but it turned out that my facts were actually attacks (hey that rhymes) and Dee didn't like that, so now she doesn't read anything I say. No loss at all for me but she (I presume Dee is a she) doesn't want to read anything that goes against her world view. This would include the facts about PP.

Hey, at least she hasn't started calling you Luvey. I think that is probably a sign that she has given up and is resorted to name calling.

And yes I am a bit irate that she told me to go away and stop posting. As always ymmv.

dfsadfh — March 16, 2012 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dfsadfh: Dee doesn't like me, either. I hesitate to engage her because her responses are often mean-spirited and punishing, even though I have always treated her with respect.

So, Dee: In keeping with the theme of that Paul Harvey devil audio/video you shared at 5:24 PM, let me add this:

If I were the devil, I would do my best to spread disharmony and arguments on internet forums, diminishing and demeaning those who held opinions that differed from my own.

If I were the devil, I would focus on our differences with laser beam precision to divert attention from all the good we share in common.

That's what I would do, if I were the devil.

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Yes. I would like you to do the research.*

I did. I researched many unidentified sources to include biological/biophysical and psychological/paranormal politically based journals/E.T. scholars while projecting myself back in time. Fed my data up Starfleet Command's Apple and this is what I got...

At heart you are a hopeless Liberal! To quote Fat Al, What you hate-ba you's becomed-ba, what you are, you is-ba. Accept it my friend! Accept yourself for who you are and become..empowered!

*After 400 years, Shakespeare is still popular. West Side Story won academy awards. Midsummer Night's Dream, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Othelo, Merchant of Venice. The Taming of the Shrew. Much Ado about Nothing. All highly acclaimed Hollywood movies.
But NOOOO. Everything is different now.*

Then there's that...

We can work out payment options 1st Officer alai. I'll speak with the Captain.

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**MAN**

gotta agree w/you, but probably a different interpretation of your post than you intended

as they said in 'my time' (60's)...peace out.

DeeLittle — March 16, 2012 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akt3aw...

Not to worry manthou & dfsadfh, dee thinks I am the devil and I believe she has stated as such.

deelittle- God told me He doesn't want you to watch this video. 3 times.

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i don't support abortion, i would, as dee said, err on the side of caution. i think birth control is very sexist. i'm not a woman, but i think-don't know-that i would find it very offensive if my "attractiveness" was based on my ability to have sex at anytime w/o pregnancy being an issue.

abortion is the law of the land, and while i have no dog in the race, i think it's silly, actually one of those silly wedge issues, for this kind of crap to surface every election cycle. there's bigger fish to fry.

after 50 years, is abortion/birth control still an issue with merit? let's get over it, there are other issues much more pressing.

mrd — March 16, 2012 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Leave it to the women to figure out how to get along. :)

manthou — March 16, 2012 at 7:47 p.m

LOL Maybe that is cause we have 100,000's of hours under our belts from raising children and dealing with everything from temper tantrums to siblings full blown fist fights.

ELISI — March 16, 2012 at 9:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Nailingit’s constant diatribe against those who do not agree with his ideas, on much of anything, is emblematic of the unreasonableness, indeed the anger, of the Left.*

*One might note, that you have a penchant for refutation through humor or other obfuscations.*

Just thought I would expedite your reply k_nd!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 9:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A side note, Toni Iommi, Sabbath's founder & lead guitar player was diagnosed with Lymphoma last month. Toni's a fine example of human adaptation to injury. When he starts blazing at @ 5:52, check out his middle two fingers on his fret hand. He cut off the ends at 17. He fashioned thimbles to substitute as the tips of his fingers and kept on keeping on. Inspirational.

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I should mention it was an accident. Not self-mutilation!

nailingit — March 16, 2012 at 10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lou B's Press Talk today: Journalists should be held to a higher standard. I so agree. Professionally, the public relies on you to investigate the truth agressively and follow ethical guidelines in reporting that truth.

Journalists can do that well, even if their personal lives display tragic and tawdry human errors.

A friend of mine likes to say that we all, no matter what our profession, should live an "excuse-free" life. Keeps it clean and simple on and off the job.

My heart hurts for Bob Caldwell's family who lost him twice, in a way, last week.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 6:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Captcha below my posting right now has Hebrew in it. I kid you not.
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In keeping with the journalistic standards theme, I would so love to hear from a C staffer or editor (please join us once in awhile here) about how you handle it when you discover that your major "reliable" source on a printed story has lied to you?

Maybe this source had some built-in credibility associated with their job. Maybe the young reporter failed to fact-check the source as a result of this assumption. The newspaper can and is printing a retraction in an attempt to reduce the damage done.

What does the newspaper do about the source? The reporter who failed to fact check?

We hold many professions to a higher standard, I guess. Maybe we should not be so quick to assume they are self-policing well.

Just wondering......

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Good morning! Melissa Harris Perry is having a friendly discussion right now about the nuances of talk radio to include processing information.

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 7:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: Thanks for the tip. Will check it out.

My concerns: Traditional journalism is having to compete with citizen journalism, talk radio theater and social media, making the temptation to dramatize and exaggerate to grasp and hold their own share of an audience a real risk.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This 2012 Republican Presidential candidate is placing his boot heel directly to the throats of Texas women. This is who they are. This is what they do.

Conservatives are ruining America.

**Texas Loses Entire Women's Health Program Over Planned Parenthood Law**

The federal government pays for nearly 90 percent of Texas' $40 million Women's Health Program, and nearly half of the program's providers in Texas are Planned Parenthood clinics. But the new law that went into effect earlier this month disqualified Planned Parenthood from participating in the program because some of its clinics provide abortions, **even though no state or federal money can be used to pay for those abortions.**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/texas-loses-entire-womens_n_1349431.html?ref=mostpopular

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


lou's column made me wish other important people had the same concern for holding on to high standards...like the mayor, for instance.

journalism has probably been more affected by the internet than any other profession. while it's wonderfully liberating (think chicago newspapers), it's also a way to mass-broadcast unvetted information to a (mostly) uncritical audience.

that is frightening.

DeeLittle — March 17, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Thanks for banging the drum on Journalistic integrity. Clear guidelines must be followed, and when they're not.....

*it's also a way to mass-broadcast unvetted information to a (mostly) uncritical audience.
that is frightening.*

Although liberal, MSNBC police they're own and offer commentary that are tied to facts. When an entire network of talking heads get on the same page to skew/lie about events in order to push a radical political agenda, (as in Fox News) to include a staff loaded with conservative Republican Presidential candidates...

dee's right. It's more than frightening.

It shapes our elections.

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit: Thanks for the update on this continued attack on women's self-determination for health care. Amazing.

Dee: I could not agree more. I very much worry about what is happening to journalistic ethics.

For an example close to home, an editor from The Oregonian was fired yesterday for lies of omission related to Bob Caldwell's tragic and sudden death (see Lou's column, too):

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/bob-caldwell-oregonian-journalists-fired.html?mid=rss

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 8:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Why is it we're so interested in the personal lives of people? I can see something like exposing hypocrisy in officials. You know, like a senator who preaches one thing and then does another (or the same, whatever). That exposure gives one information about the senator's moral fortitude.

I haven't much use for liars and cheats.

Why we need to know some editor died after having sex out of wedlock I haven't the foggiest. Frankly, I don't see how it's any of my (our) darned business.

I don't care how many speeding tickets Lou gets. Lou is not in the business of regulating and/or enforcing speed limits. If he was, that would be something else entirely.

Lou is the editor of a small town newspaper. A known conservative paper. I've no interest in Lou's driving practices or (enter any and anything here).

The Columbian won't give me a blurb about my book. Apparently the mere title is too risque for The Columbian. _A Little Sex, a Lot of Dope and an Aircraft Carrier_. Why, just seeing that in print in the paper would set Campbell's hair afire.

But exposing a dead man's personal life with the attitude of , "Shameful, simply shameful," is just hunky-dory.

Would you care to discuss, Mr. Editor, how that relates to a "Higher standard?"

Drift — March 17, 2012 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift! I just copied quotes from Lou's article that speaks to your point. I was totally going to write an opinion piece in the same vein that you did!!

What if this was a consensual experience fully embraced by his wife? What if a medical/variety/hell it shouldn't matter reason existed? What if his wife did not know.

Lou who are you to cast him in such a negative light?

**And it was unbecoming.* You stand in judgement...:(

*Caldwell had not died behind the wheel of his car as the paper was first told. Rather, the 63-year-old married man died in the apartment of a 23-year-old woman. They were having sex.
And that woman was not his wife.*

Wow...just...wow!

*In exchange, he got sex.*

A journalist with your skills should have displayed much more respect. Both for him and his family.

Instead you went for the drama.

Hell, I should just paste the entire article!

**Now, let’s be honest. If we were to do a story about every politician and high-profile community member who was cheating on a spouse, we wouldn’t have the room in the paper.*

Yet you can't keep from sensationalising it?

So it might be a more difficult decision to do a story **if it was just passion run amok.** :(((

But Caldwell was paying for it. :(((

*I also thought about Caldwell’s family, the real victims here. They have to live through this exposure.*

Do you think they appreciate your send off?

*But then, everyone we write about -- who has done bad things -- has to live through the exposure.**

This is just my opinion Lou. I generally appreciate your writes. You should have covered this in the vein of the NYmag. For the family , the deceased and the girl who was most likely traumatized, you added a layer of hurt.

A higher standard?

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And your competitor ta boot........

You've become the story.

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


i didn't see that attitude in the article. i can understand lou's reasoning in copping (no pun intended) to the ticket: if you're honest in the small things, the large ones take care of themselves.

DeeLittle — March 17, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


you didn't mention that it was founded by margaret sanger, to reduce the population of blacks.

DeeLittle

didn't know that, but that wasn't the point. The point was PP's major mission is not to provide abortions.

I believe the state of North Carolina is paying black women hundreds of thousands of dollars to compensate for forced sterilization. This happened recently compared to the American Birth Control League's founding. In all fairness, there are probably many examples of this type of cruelty aimed at blacks in the not so distant past.

mrd — March 17, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee at 9:52 am: *if you're honest in the small things, the large ones take care of themselves.*

That is what this Oregonian controversy is all about. The public relies on journalism, true traditional journalism like The Oregonian, to be unbiased and truthful.

That sometimes mean printing embarassing information about one of your own. It also means that you must hold your own accountable for the truth or else you might as well shut down the presses and shutter the doors.

If this had happened to my neighbor, it would not have made the news. Nor should it.

Here is a link to The Oregonian's editorial on this, which explains it better than anyone:

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/03/peter_bhatia_misinformation_no.html

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I agree with the firing and accountability. I don't agree with Lou casting judgement, and in my opinion, assault on this man's character. Sex today is demonized to the point that this is how this man will be remembered by many. Not for being a loving father, husband and a hard working professional.

I'm glad the Oregonian cleaned it up. Not to happy about the way this op-ed was written.

And there are worse circumstances a man could die in. Just sayin"...:)

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit: I hear ya.' I really do. I don't think that there was any judgment made about Caldwell's choice of extracurricular sex, was there? Or of his character? Maybe I need to read Lou's column again, 'cause I missed that.

I remember when Nelson Rockefeller died under similar circumstances. Or the prominent Portland attorney who died, tied to a tree in the Oregon woods, at the hands of a drug addicted prostitute and her boyfriend.

The police provided the newspaper with the details and they were printed, no praise no blame. Just the facts. The facts are embarrassing to the surviving loved ones and deepens the loss and pain. But the facts are facts.

No praise. No blame.

It was news because these men were prominent in the community. An argument could be made that they were public figures.

You or I or Drift or hawkeye: the press would not make an effort to waste the ink.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Check the Willamette Weekly article for additional info.

Kathleen Glanville's rationale for reporting the false story to her coworkers at The Oregonian. She regrets her loss of her job at The Oregonian and apologizes to her coworkers there for what she did. However,

"There are times in people's lives when you have to make a decision about what is most important."

Keep in mind that 1) She got the true details from Caldwell's wife, and 2) she was an old friend of both the Caldwells.

I'm siding with Ms. Glanville on this one. There are times when common decency should rule the day, and I can't see why that shouldn't be the case here.

roger — March 17, 2012 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I think the emphasis casts judgement. No one said he was "cheating", except Lou. "Passion run amok" "unbecoming" "bad things".

Then again perhaps I'm casting judgement also.

Time to self-circumspect.

I hope Lou gives equal print time for the positive this guy did, to equal out his take on "passion run amok".

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 11:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I see what you are saying, Nailingit, with the specific words you cite. My bad that I missed those details.

roger: Sorry. Glanville's responsiblity to the public good trumps her personal responsibility to the family because she is a professional that ignored her professional ethical principles.

That would be like a teacher, a mandatory reporter by ethics and law, covering up knowledge of child abuse because your friend and collegue was the guy who slapped the kid.

Glanville, in my opinion, crapped all over the values that make newspapers the protector of free speech and democracy.

If she were the janitor at The Oregonian, she might have had a pass.

But as a journalist? She violated her professional ethics at the expense of public trust.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You or I or Drift or hawkeye: the press would not make an effort to waste the ink.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.

And just what makes you think I'm not that important?

just kidding !!!

hawkeye — March 17, 2012 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: Please excuse my passion about this issue in advance:

There is no such thing as an acceptable little white lie in journalism.

Lies of ommission are lies.

Thanks for your patience. I respect your right to your opinion, but, people who are not bound by professional ethical guidelines often think there is wiggle room for error.

Personal ethics have a wide range of acceptability, depending on the situation and circumstance. To protect the public, professionals are held to a higher, tighter standard and that, I think, was one of the points of Press Talk today.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Naw, hawkeye: You are important to us here, for sure! If you make it on the front page of the C, though, please let us know!

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.,

Read the editorial manthou linked to again. The young lady in question says this has been going on for about a year. He was giving her money to pay for school and books. Bhatia uses the term "sex act" twice. Do Pres Clinton and Monica come to mind? And the moral outrage expressed over that little thing lasts to this day.

Lou isn't overtly attacking Caldwell; rather, he's defending the editorial staff's decision to run the follow-up story. The rest is some sort of hogwash where we're supposed to accept that newspaper types have to meet a higher standard than mere mortals.

However, when scrolling down and reading comments posted to the editorial, I ran into a reference to Gov Neil Goldschmidt. A little research into past history (mostly Willamette Week articles) shows The Oregonian's editorial staff was involved in covering up (through ignoring) known indiscretions on the part of Gov Goldschmidt, Mayor Adams, and Rep Wu - Caldwell was a part of all of that.

So perhaps there is a more than reasonable basis for Editor Lou's seeming righteous indignation. And if so, then kudos to Lou for his tact in addressing the issue.

roger — March 17, 2012 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

Read the text of Glanville's statement at Willamette Week. She knows she violated her professional ethics, and accepts her firing for that reason. As she says, she put her loyalty and friendship to Caldwell's wife over the public's "right to know."

This is not the same as a teacher abusing a child - is this something we'd label as a false equivalency?

HOWEVER, from your use of that example, I'm suspecting you perhaps knew and were thinking of some of the past history? The stuff I was ignorant of until I read a comment and went digging? If I'm correct, then the focus should be on Caldwell and not Glanville. Pres Bill Clinton's pastime was nothing when compared with the crowd he was helping cover for.

roger — March 17, 2012 at 12:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

In my military career and in my job now, I've always been bound by a code of ethics. I've been responsible for millions of dollars of equipment over the years, with serving as a Contracting Officer's Representative, and with ensuring I'm making legitimate purchases on my Gov't credit cards. And yes, I've had to dime out a couple of people I knew who violated their trust in these areas. In my case, no friends were involved, so it was easier than what Ms. Glanville faced.

Ms. Glanville made a decision and is ready to live with the consequences. It's relatively easy to sit back and compare our own life choices with those made by others - especially when we've shared similar responsibilities. However, and just as with the you Staff Sergeant who blew away all those Afghanis the other day - until you've actually been in that person's shoes....

(And if you in fact have been there - then feel free to wipe my nose in the doggie doo. I never take our disagreements to heart because I've not found reason to doubt your honesty with your beliefs, etc.)

roger — March 17, 2012 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, my friend. I am not even going to try to change your good mind because I know how stubborn my view on this issue is. It comes from having to adhere to my own profession's ethics and I know what would cause me to lose my job if I let personal feelings for one family allow me to forget the greater duty to overall public safety and trust.

Same principle here.

I am focusing on Glanville exclusively. Mr. Caldwell's sad demise provided an opportunity for her to make a choice. Do I protect the family at the expense of journalistic ethics?

She chose the family. And, while I can see how many would think that is admirable, her esteemed profession (I mean this without irony and the deepest sincerity), in the form of her employer, has determined that her ethical lapse cannot be forgiven or tolerated. If they had given her a pass, The Oregonian would lose respect and credibility and they might as well close up shop for all the good that does for their watchdog role.

When you hold a job that protects the public interest, you need to protect the public interest. Teachers need to protect children. Doctors need to "do no harm." Journalists do not lie, because if they do, they have diminished a noble profession and the long-standing trust that goes with it.

Thanks for your patience and tolerance. I have a different perspective, that's all.

It would be great if a journalist would chime in. We are so shut off in the basement at times.

Lou B? Buehler? Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- The amount of time spent helping a college student through school shouldn't matter. The amount or type of sex they were engaged in through time shouldn't matter.

*Lou isn't overtly attacking Caldwell;*

But then, everyone we write about -- **who has done bad things** -- has to live through the exposure.

His family might disagree.

*So perhaps there is a more than reasonable basis for Editor Lou's seeming righteous indignation.*

Then a history with shoddy journalism (if that's the case) should be addressed.

Instead of the emphasis being placed on a man whose "passions had run amok."

Again, our country should have an honest debate about legalized prostitution. In this circumstance it appeared to be a win win.

Man happy. Woman happy. Needs met. :)

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 12:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: I agree that Ms. Glanville probably made a calulated choice and is willing to live with the consequences.

Some see her as a heroine. Some as a responsible journalist who made a professional fatal error in judgment. And some are vilifying her for giving the profession and her employer a bad name.

All that is in the range of legitimate public opinion. She made a choice and is living with the consequences.

I just don't see her employer as being over-the-top in its decision to fire her. Maybe that is the real point of our difference.

Regardless, I enjoy discussing issues with you because you are always kind and never resort to name-calling or ridicule.

Thank you for that.

Peace.

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit: Not to drag this out today, but, I saw some comments in other newspapers and the Huffington Post and NY Magazine (yeah, this story has worked its way across the country like wildfire), that accuse Kathleen Glanville of turning her back on the use and abuse of the young college student by Caldwell.

I don't think anyone knows enough about the relationship to declare whether this young woman was exploited. I take my cue from the grace of his wife's statement and focus on the journalist.

For sure, I would like to have someone like Glanville for a friend. But, if I were a publisher, responsible for producing a credible product, I would not be so warm and fuzzy about it.

I have been taken aback at the implication by some news stories, though, that this young woman's accepting money for school makes her a prostitute.

Some would say she is just trying to survive.

I have spent my monthly comment quota today and will sign off to give y'all a rest.....

manthou — March 17, 2012 at 12:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I'll give it a rest myself. It's cool that basement dwellers can have such a civil discussion with such a hot topic. If I may repeat your post...

**It would be great if a journalist would chime in. We are so shut off in the basement at times.
Lou B? Buehler? Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?**

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Are Voters Stupid, Or Are They Just Routinely Subjected To Terrible Political Reporting?

[I]rrationality on policy issues transcends party lines and cuts across groups that feel differently about the president. Taken all together, the issue polling compiled so far in the 2012 cycle presents a sharp corrective to the candidates' description of the race as a great debate placing two starkly different philosophies of government before an informed electorate.
In reality, the contest has been more like a game of Marco Polo, as a hapless gang of Republican candidates and a damaged, frantic incumbent try to connect with a historically fickle and frustrated electorate.
And "fickle" is a nice way of describing the voters of 2012, who appear to be wandering, confused and Forrest Gump-like through the experience of a presidential campaign. It isn't just unclear which party's vision they'd rather embrace; it's entirely questionable whether the great mass of voters has even the most basic grasp of the details -- or for that matter, the most elementary factual components -- of the national political debate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/stupid-voters-political-reporting_n_1349779.html

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*When you hold a job that protects the public interest, you need to protect the public interest. Teachers need to protect children. Doctors need to "do no harm." **Journalists do not lie, because if they do, they have diminished a noble profession and the long-standing trust that goes with it.***

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how i wish that could be tattooed on the foreheads of every network 'news anchor' in the country

DeeLittle — March 17, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This conversation has split.

There's the, why expose some cat's dirty laundry, part.

And then there's the, uh, journalists aren't supposed to lie, part (here I agree, though pragmatism tells me...).

My issue is with exposing the fact the man was having a dalliance (an admitted supposition on my part) prior to kicking the bucket. To what end?

I will also state what we now have is your common everyday media feeding frenzy. I'm'a gonna go out back and puke, then pitch a game of shoes.

I guess I could wish the family peace before I go.

Peace.

Drift — March 17, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, and others. Honest debate is not effectuated by feelings and hyperbole.

Why don’t you knock it off. All you do is post your little links to one leftist rag after another. Don’t tell me about “feel better now”. I can deal wiith logic. I am well versed in logic. Your little leftist, socialist, politics is all based on feelings over the unfairness of it all and supported by a totalitarian mind set.

Oh Gee, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Poland. Czechoslovakia (invaded by the Soviets in 1968 for there uppity thoughts). Hungary ( invaded in 1956 for their uppity thoughts). Bulgaria. Albania. All of which were dedicated to some proposition of equality of circumstances through government. Then there is Fidel in Cuba, who recently acknowledged that capitalism needs to play a bigger role in Cuba’s future economic health. Pol Pot. (Care to call him a Rightist?). Mao, Same thing. Ask the Tibetans about Mao’s Egalitarianism. Have you seen what is going on in Europe? They cannot blame their economic crisis on military spending, which is not even close to the percent of GDP that this country spends. Then there are the individual states. California is running on empty. You think maybe it has something to do with their social welfare state spending? Probably not about how much they spend on their military.

So is eveyone going broke over the military industrial complex? Nope, there must be some other reason.

I tend to think that the Left too easily dismisses that unfortunate “social experiment” , ie. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, et. al. as being “over there” someplace. Nope, I don’t think so. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. There are some of us who believe that what happened “over there”, in one year, is happening over here, through a decades long process. It is the frog in the slowly heating pan of water thing.

While I would hardly call myself a Christian, I have nothing but empathy for those of faith. While I have contempt for those who would force their faith on others, I also see those of the religious Left, who through their SOCIALISM THROUGH GOVERNMENT, attempt to do the very same thing. After all, how many of you socialists have invoked Jesus’ name to support your ideas of socialism through government.

They may call it “economic justice”, but of course, it’s all about Totalitarianism. (Please see above. The Soviets. The Eastern block countries. Fidel. Pol Pot. Mao. And yes, even Adolf, were all Leftist totalitarianists.) Despite what your leftists authors whould have you believe .

The pro choice side, is couching their ideas in euphemisms and hyperbole. While I ultimately agree with their beliefs in the limited role of governmnet as it pertains to abortion, ie. within the framework of Roe v. Wade, I will have nothing to do with their hyperbole.

kn_dalai — March 17, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kn, I am confused. Let's pick one point. Are you saying to knock off posting to leftist site? Are you saying post to right wing site instead or are you saying don't post at all?

I got the simplest answer as to why Soviet state failed-and that's my take on it. Greed at top, no say at bottom, ain't going to work. Ever. Example:The farmers over there farmed for the state and produced little. When they farmed for themselves, harvest went up. A few got filthy rich, living it up in their dacha, the rest starved.

I, of course, simplify here to make a point. But a bit of psychology can tell us a lot as to what will work and what will not.

luvithere — March 17, 2012 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal


k_nd- pol pot mao Bulgaria cuba adolph...my God man pull your head out. It's the 21st century.

When sound logic fails, blame the publications, start distributing your "leftist labels" and agree with the Democrats. i.e. *While I ultimately agree with their beliefs in the limited role of governmnet as it pertains to abortion, ie. within the framework of Roe v. Wade,*

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*So is eveyone going broke over the military industrial complex? Nope, there must be some other reason.*

Since your narrow view involves labels...

Conservative maybe...no way a Libertarian. No way at all.....LINO LINO LINO. And LINO

....and one more LINO

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That should be when "unsound" logic fails...DOH!!

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh course, once again, you have refused to substantively refute my discussion.

And Fidel is still relevant.

Socialism is hardly new to the 21st century.

So how come the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had such a bad time of it? Hmmmm?

Of course, that's just for starters.

And how about my allegation that "women's health care" etc. are just euphemisms.

kn_dalai — March 17, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A conservative Liberal who validates his beliefs by focusing on perceived weaknesses of those around him? A self imposed dictatorial historian with a penchant for 1700's romanticism? Am I getting close? A wanabe Utopian, but only in your dreams, because you've embraced a disconnected reality that is stayed in a time that no longer exists?

k_nd- You constantly criticize without offering any fixes. You lambast anyone that posts a "leftist rag" site while embracing undocudemented thought from "crazy train" citing a ridiculous unsubstantiated attack on a RP supporter a few weeks ago as gospel. You've been running off the rails for some time now bro. Way too much judgement & hate to be taken seriously in any format.

In my....humble opinion.

*And how about my allegation that "women's health care" etc. are just euphemisms.*

And you tout personal liberty as your mantra. :( I wonder if authentic Libertarian women share your viewpoint.

When did 10 years in prison become a "euphemism".....

sigh...

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A couple of weeks ago I posted an article from the WSJ, a favored right publication, stating that all of the Republican candidates (with the exception of Paul) economic proposals would dramatically increase our debt compared to Obama's spending proposals. What did the righty's have to say?...........

......................................................nothing..........................................

It doesn't matter with some what the source is. It's hate Obama 24/7 regardless of what he does.

And without regard for the price America is paying because of Republican/congressional obstruction. Plain and simple.

Tell me k_nd Romney or Santorum....which one would you vote for. Please don't say Paul, he's not viable in the Republican Party.

Always the critic, never the playwright.

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> A conservative Liberal who validates his beliefs by focusing on perceived weaknesses of those around him? A self imposed dictatorial historian with a penchant for 1700's romanticism? Am I getting close? A wanabe Utopian, but only in your dreams, because you've embraced a disconnected reality that is stayed in a time that no longer exists?

You seem to like verbiage, without actually saying anything. "self imposed dictatorial historian", "A wanabe Utopian". Ah haha.

Quite the opposite. As one who recognises the myriad of unpredicable exchages between human beings, I can hardly be some utopian when rejecting centralized planning through government. Now just who is it that believes in centralized planning? And just who is it that believes in propriety of government Uber alles.

I say again: Leftist are totalitarians. Government is force. Government is necessary. No doubt. It's the limited idea you people have a problem with. No doubt, envy has a lot to do with it. Be careful, some day they may come for you.

> k_nd- You constantly criticize without offering any fixes.

Perhaps you can finally understand the nature of limited government. It has a lot to do with people like you sitting around thinking you can decide everything for everyone. And by the way, I have hardy sat around and lambasted everyone for everything. That is and always has been your province.

kn_dalai — March 17, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i am so....SOO very glad there's a graybar hotel in the basement.

DeeLittle — March 17, 2012 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


completely off-any-topic....

anybody here read greg gutfeld's book *The Bible of Unspeakable Truths*...?

just read some samples....really funny stuff.

DeeLittle — March 17, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You seem to have quite a limited thought process nailingit. I have always thought that Obama is intelligent and well spoken, and will not denigrate him to the same extent that others have.

I will not vote for Democrats which I consider to be socialists. I may also not vote for the Republican presidential candidate in 2012.

Not sure right now. I may vote for the Libertarian candidate.

I was one of those who gave M. Cantwell the senate seat in 2000. Because I voted for the Libertarian instead of Slade Gorton. Sort of a protest vote I guess. Also voted for Ross Perot the first time around.

I may have been wrong about the Gorton vote. But I never regretted my Perot vote.

kn_dalai — March 17, 2012 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good afternoon, Dee. I haven't read the book but I did check it out. Sounds like it's chocked full of satire...most likely while telling the truth as it is. Careful, though...you're going to see a lot of gray bars popping up here in the forum since the book is written by someone on Fox News...and we ALL know how that certain someone in the Forum has a love/hate relationship with Fox News. Complains all the time about it...as though they watch it all the time just for ammo in their attacks, lol.

goldenoldie — March 17, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kn_dalai...having fun this afternoon??? Ever feel like you're trying to read the next page in a book, only to discover that each page is identical to the first one???

goldenoldie — March 17, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*As one who recognises the myriad of unpredicable exchages between human beings*

translation; when people disagree

*You seem to like verbiage, without actually saying anything.*

Seems to be viral. :))

*I have always thought that Obama is intelligent and well spoken, and will not denigrate him to the same extent that others have.*

Have you stayed silent while those around you make absurd claims about our President? i.e. he's a non-citizen, a communist, a (God forbid) socialist, a racist, a (God forgive agin') Muslim, anti-American, etc. etc.

*Now just who is it that believes in centralized planning?*

Not I. I still have to make an appointment to do my taxes. :)

*No doubt, envy has a lot to do with it.*

Can someone explain this to me? I hear it on Fox all the time.

k_nd- You constantly criticize without offering any fixes.

*Perhaps you can finally understand the nature of limited government.* :)))))

Now I understand Boehner and the House. It's a do nothing Congress by design!

Let's all sit on our collective but and screw the public that expected us to do something!! Beautiful!

*I may have been wrong about the Gorton vote. But I never regretted my Perot vote.*

Neither have the Democrats my friend. A belated thank you.

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Matt Wastradowski...

Any chance we can get those gray bars changed into green for the rest of St. Patrick's Day...and maybe golden for the first day of Spring? They would light up the page so nicely!!!

goldenoldie — March 17, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ooh...and Red, white and blue for the Fourth of July...Orange for Halloween...Red and Green for Christmas...

...and Bright, Bright Blue for the first day of Summer...ahhh, Summer!!! Barbecues, camping, picnics at the park, a walk along the beach...

Sounds so nice right about now!!!

goldenoldie — March 17, 2012 at 6:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.

And once again you spout verbaige without saying anything.

Perhaps you would actually care to make some statement of your own.

Oh Gee. You already have now haven't you? So lets go from there. Because some believe that abortiion is murder and should be illegal, then that is a "war against women"? Rather than dealing with the underlying issue.

And how about insurance. If the Government cannot force insurance companies to pay for contraceptives then that's a "war against women"? Dee is absolutely correct in this. When insurance pays for lifestyle choices, it stops being insurance. and is some "spread the wealth around" idea of those who have an entitlement mentality.

kn_dalai — March 17, 2012 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*If the Government cannot force insurance companies to pay for contraceptives*

What the hell?

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 6:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.

What?

kn_dalai — March 17, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*And once again you spout verbaige without saying anything.*

sigh...

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d @ 6:56 Exactly!

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GOLDIE

let's make 'em black...with red letters.

(watched kansas this am....bad basketball, great uniforms)

DeeLittle — March 17, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal




Why Conservatives Are Still Crazy After All These Years
POSTED: March 16, 11:55 AM ET | By Rick Perlstein

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/why-conservatives-are-still-crazy-after-all-these-years-20120316#ixzz1pR9pA0LU

nailingit — March 17, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


15 minutes ago on Twitter. I have no independent proof this is accurate.

Jim Mains ‏ @maindistinction
David Madore is going to run for County Commission against Marc Boldt. #lettheracebegin

langenthal — March 17, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — March 17, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Especially when he has told everyone in the past that he has NO interest in running for ANY office. Just wish I could vote against him!

hawkeye — March 17, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


He has his website [couv.com] up & running. He has a religious organization. He has all those non-profits. He has employees. The whole No Tolls front gave him a ready-made base. He has money. He has people who "owe" him.

It will be imperative to vet what he says & does. We need PolitiFact [although not always correct] like the Oregonian uses.

langenthal — March 17, 2012 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What a horrible time for Temple Lentz to take a break. Maybe she'll come back for this. It could get real juicy.

hawkeye — March 17, 2012 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye 10:11 --- Agree and agree.

langenthal — March 18, 2012 at 1:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Langenthal, if it were true that David Madore is thinking of running again, he's got his work cut out for him. Marc Boldt has made a name for himself here...rather like a household name. Not sure if Madore has enough backing no matter how much "political advertising" goes into the plan. Yeah, he runs a good business and has kept his employees working throughout the greater depression...and that says a lot for the man, but running a county is a whole different ballgame.

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Dee...Red Black and White....I like that combo. Dang...those gray bars are still going!!! Must be something I said, lol.

goldenoldie — March 18, 2012 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal: Wow! Marc Boldt is moderate and, until now, had no challengers.

David Madore does have a growing base in Clark County and a popular self-funded news source to get his message out.

Don't underestimate his ability to get votes, goldie. :)

I guess we will see.

manthou — March 18, 2012 at 7:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 9:30- There was a time, I think, when you could take a conservatives word as "gospel".

Those days seem to be long gone.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou, you may be right on that one. Anything's possible in this county. Heck, look how Tim Leavitt was elected!!! (Oops, sorry Mayor Leavitt.)

Yesterday, I noticed you'd made a comment about finding Hebrew lettering on Captcha. I too had discovered the same, but I only keyed in the English letters and it was accepted.

goldenoldie — March 18, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


In the world of calligraphy (Greek translation - beautiful writing), you recognize the art forms, the designs and the angles of the curves...the emphasis of one's deep inner thoughts in each letter written. I find Hebrew text to be a beautiful art form as I do other languages which utilize a totally different alphabet from English. I only wish the art form of cursive writing would remain in the public school system. It takes patience and creativity to acquire the style of beautiful writing and cursive writing should never be underestimated. Patience is in my opinion...becoming a rarity.

goldenoldie — March 18, 2012 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"They cannot blame their economic crisis on military spending, which is not even close to the percent of GDP that this country spends."

it should be noted the federal budget is 36% of spending. Adding past military spending (veteran expenses, etc) brings the total to approx 50%. This number does not include the money required to service the federal debt created by military spending, but if 50% of the interest is applied to total military spending, the percent of budget approaches 55%.

While military spending is not solely to blame, it is the largest contributor, by far, to our economic crisis. To say otherwise is like a guy spending 55% of his take-home pay on car payments, maxing out credit cards to buy necessities, and wondering why he's going broke. He then concludes he's spending too much on food at 5% of his budget, but no problem with the car payments. One could say it's his money and how he spends it is his business, but in the case of military spending, it's not the government's money. While you'd never convince them of that, it's really not.

mrd — March 18, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I used to gray-bar the heck out of this forum but after awhile I too saw that the answers to some were so funny that I just HAD to see what the fuss was all about.

I am more enlightened now. I see a lot more truths here than in some of the FB comments to editorial columns.

That being said I believe that we are ALL voyeurs to a degree and articles about everything from adultery to who said what about who proves this point. (I am just as guilty as the next person, I admit it).

Journalists play on this. They know we can't resist the titillating articles about someone in the news. Whether it be a politician, an entertainer, or joe shlome who commits some gruesome act or folly. The news industry has gone for glitz without substance on so many occasions that it is becoming painful to read or watch. In the industry of 'NEWS' it's called a hook. I call it sensationalism for the sake of higher ratings or sales.

Now way back in my high-school dayz my journalism class instructor used to say "believe half of what you see and none of what you read". He went on to say that one needs to hear or see both sides of an issue before making a decision about the subject.

Now days that has become much harder to do only because the news industry has gone for sound bites and either they are left or right. It's much more slanted. Here's the good part though. It may contain more than what you want to know.

In the end you still have to decide what that truth may be. Today we do get more information but the drawback is we have to be more cautious abut that truth. It ain't that simple nomore.

JohnCasey — March 18, 2012 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, Matt, will you move the CRC forum? It needs to be kept in the public eye in the basement, ya know?

JohnCasey — March 18, 2012 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey, you make me smile with your comment about gray bars. I think we all have a bit of curiosity when it comes to the sudden onslaught of gray bars when one has clicked that feature. In my case, I utilize it only when I have the intention of continuing to share my opinion and do not wish to read a controversial attack for which I reserve my right to decide between the fight or flight response for which we are all gifted. For awhile...I choose the flight response. Avoidance is recommended by the folks at the C...and that includes utilizing the "ignore user" feature. Right now, in my case...to keep from REALLY blowing up at another forum dweller...I'll continue to utilize my "Ignore User" feature. It's no hard feelings to that person...just the best course of action at this time by me in order for me to continue posting.

goldenoldie — March 18, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I see the grip of winter is holding out right to the very last hours till the official start of Spring...for which I believe we will still have a few more wintry-type days. Already had sleet this morning and the doppler shows a lot of "pink and white" towards Ridgefield. Guess it's time to have another cuppa java near the wood stove. I'll miss those toasty winter fires we've had this winter as we enjoy our summer...but then again, I'll enjoy those summer walks at the beach and along the river. Oooh and those yummy barbecues!!!! So much to look for as the seasons change...spring garden surprises as the Swiss Chard and Spinach continue to grow...fresh carrots and peas, new sprouts of summer veggies, Spring harvest of winter garlic bulbs, Tomatoes growing under the lights, awaiting warm soil for planting outdoors...!!!

goldenoldie — March 18, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dear God

Please let this happen! I promise I will buy 10 more boxes of thin mints and vote for tax increases. Please God??

**All Odds Aside, G.O.P. Girding for Floor Fight**

They would embark on an unscripted, contentious and televised drama that has not played out in 36 years, a period in which both major party conventions have become slickly produced and highly choreographed pep rallies kicking off the general election campaign.

With that in mind, campaign and party lawyers are dusting off their party rule books, running through decades-old procedural arcana and studying the most recent convention-floor fight, between Ronald Reagan and President Gerald R. Ford in 1976. Republican officials also are bracing for the possibility of a prenomination clash between the party’s establishment and members of the Tea Party movement, many of whom may be attending their first national convention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/us/politics/republicans-brace-for-possible-open-convention.html?_r=1

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ref: David Madore running for County Commissioner. Lew Waters' website carries an e-mail from Madore - posted yesterday - saying he'll be filing to run against Brian Baird. Says Mielke needs a real conservative Repub as a partner to get the County back on track.

I suspect The Columbian will wait a while to report on this, or will relegate it to an All Politics entry. Mr. Madore has floated running for a few offices in the recent past - at some point this is no longer newsworthy.

roger — March 18, 2012 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — March 18, 2012 at 8:22 a.m

Might want to check these sites out as well.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS

http://www.federalbudget.com/

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

ELISI — March 18, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — March 18, 2012 at 9:05 a.m

Hmm since when has Brian Baird decided to run for office again?
Did he not leave office in the last election?

ELISI — March 18, 2012 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger --- Brian Baird? Do you mean Boldt?

langenthal — March 18, 2012 at 9:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I am dyslexic. Mildly. I have to laugh at myself when I read an article or comment too fast. My mind say one thing but the words say another. It gets me laughing though because I get a different slant on things and coupled with my English humor I go though life with a smile on my face. Oh, and I usually have to read it twice!!!

I have been attacked on this forum, once or twice, but it is of no big consequence to me. I have a fairly thick skin. I just ignore anything said personal and shrug it off as someone having a bad day. It is, after all, a forum. If someone disagrees with what I write then so be it. I still have the right to write it. I recognize they have the right to disagree with it all they want. And if they slip into personal attacks then I move on. I refuse to get into a peeing contest with anyone on this forum. I will not rebut what has been said about me for the simple fact that it IS a forum.

Also my comments are not said or based in fact so much but contain my thought on a particular subject being discussed. If I say for instance that I believe that "A" is true that just means I believe it. It doesn't mean that you think it's true and I don't feel the need to back up my statements with a source or an example. It's my thought. Nothing more nothing less.

If The Columbian keeps this as a more political forum they have that right. I do thank them for at least providing us with an opportunity to say our views. And I would like to say that the addition of a CRC forum is good. I see that there are many who comment on there.

JohnCasey — March 18, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.,

Even though the conservative side of the GOP would like Gingrich and Paul to drop out, it doesn't look like this will happen soon. Perhaps after Texas and New York, in early May? And there's no guarantee that all of their delegates will shift to Santorum - especially after the contraception fiasco.

The ultimate goal of a majority of Repubs, per the polls, is to get Pres Obama out of office. This Repub primary season is about overall messages, but when it gets to be time to play for real, nominating any of these four beside Romney is suicide. Ron Paul has a better chance of attracting the Independent voters than Santorum or Gingrich.

But there's a good chance we'll see the convention go to a second or third round. Depends how close Romney is, and whether the weight of the superdelegates can send him over.

But the alternatives are fun to think about. Will the three anti-Romneys come to agreement, and shift all their support to one? And can they pull in enough of the uncommitted caucus delegates to keep Romney from a majority? Then, will the GOP bring one of their superheroes out from hiding and have that person take the prize?

roger — March 18, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes to above - I meant Marc Boldt. I was thinking about Baird in relation to something else and forgot to switch tracks again.

roger — March 18, 2012 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey: Good to see you back and commenting more often! I agree with you that, for the most part, we are able to expand on our comments and share information and ideas, argue respectfully, much more than is possible on the FB side. FB is for advertising. The social networking piece? A myth.

At 8:30 am you re-introduced the ethics in journalism thread, so I hope my patient forum friends here will indulge me one more time. I have some chips in the credibility bank after all this time here, so I want to cash some in:

In journalism (or government for that matter), there is no such thing as a NOBLE LIE:

Please read John G McDaid's blog on the recent stretching of journalistic ethics in the Oregonian and Mike Daisey/Apple issues. The best I have read thus far:

http://www.torvex.com/jmcdaid/node/1841

manthou — March 18, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So I read on The Columbian that David Madore will be supporting Tom Mielke's re-election, as well as challenging Marc Boldt.

Look out, Clark County. Mielke does not have the gray matter to form a cogent thought of his own, so, if they both are elected, we will have David Madore squared.

I know some folks in CC are celebrating this. I think we really need to educate ourselves about what the CC commissioner board will look like with David Madore, David Madore puppet, and Steve Stuart.

Sorry for the unabashed political slant. The Dems will have a lot of work to do and will need to band together to support a moderate Republican.

manthou — March 18, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

I look at it in a different way...Mielke needs to go...Madore...I am willing to give him a chance **if he is elected**. If he doesn't work out by not doing good for all of Clark County by listening to all of us, then there is always the vote to take him out of office.
I have always been a person of giving people chances..but, if you blow it, step over the line.. you're gone.

ELISI — March 18, 2012 at 10:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning, Elisi: Thanks for your response to my concerns. Yep. I agree with you that Mielke needs to go. But now he will have Madore's money behind him for all the ads and flyers it can buy.

Problem is: there is not enough money in the world to give Mielke the brain transplant he needs, so, to a certain extent, he will have to hold up on his own words and record.

I was impressed with David Madore's intelligence and determination. He presents so well in public: soft-spoken, kind, well-mannered, educated. He got my attention.
His business is thriving and he has developed his own news multi-media site to disseminate his point of view.

I am not as convinced, though, that he has the public interest at heart. This is one local race that got very interesting and it will demand educated voters, so I'd better start doing my homework, eh? :)

manthou — March 18, 2012 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

Please note the section on avoiding harm.

This probably would have been a non-issue, except Willamette Week got hold of the true details. And while they're a great newspaper for digging up info The Oregonian and The Columbian would prefer to ignore, they also tend toward exhibiting a complete lack of interest in - shall we say - the moral aspects of a topic.

So The Oregonian editorial staff felt forced to react. Personally, I think they should have ignored this revelation - they could have released Ms. Glanville quietly, and by the end of the week everything would have been forgotten.

Where I'm having a hard time is that we're beating up Glanville for her violation of a code of ethics, when she at least has the justification of balancing the public's "need to know" with the harm releasing the truth would cause. Yet where's the outcry over our own similar situation some months back - when The Columbian made a decision to accept Rep Jim Jacks statement that he resigned for "personal and family reasons" and refused to follow up the rumors that were coming out of Olympia?

Personally, I think The Columbian was correct with Rep Jacks, and still somewhat surprised Editor Lou went the opposite direction this time. (I suppose I could make a smart aleck crack here about where politicians and reporters stand on the morality scale, but....)

roger — March 18, 2012 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mielke won the last time by what - a couple of hundred votes? And he probably got the victory by riding the No Tolls bandwagon.

The Columbian has been ridiculing him since Day 1 on the job. He has the support of the two on-line conservative websites; Madore's couv.com and Lew Waters' Clark County Conservative. And seeing as how Mielke represents District 1, which is quite conservative in voting patterns - I wouldn't consider his political demise a foregone conclusion. And both those sources have already mobilized against Tanner and the other person who say they're running against Mielke.

roger — March 18, 2012 at 11:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: Thanks for the link at 10:51 am and your thoughts on Mielke at 11:13 am.

Yeah. The WW has been good about putting the screws to the Oregonian for their double standard. Remember Nigel Jacquiss received a Pulitzer for his investigative piece on Neil Goldschmidt's sexual misconduct against a teen when the O did not consider it newsworthy.

I tried to do an informal review of which NW papers printed something about the journalist's firing at the Oregonian. It was printed more prominently in regions far away, even the UK. Seattle Times ignored it. Wonder if it was just too close to home? Wonder how many journalists are squirming and watching their backs this morning? Will I be next? Just print the truth. Live an excuse-free life, and all will be well. Good advice for us all. :)

Lots of finger pointing and blame here while family and friends cope with the sudden and tragic death of a loved one. I guess that is what gets lost in the controversy.
____________________________________

This CC Commissioner race will be the one to watch now. Don't know if any Democrats will come forward against Boldt to make it even more interesting. But I do know that many downtown business folk are very angry at Boldt for blocking the CC stadium.

manthou — March 18, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Governor Gregoire has threatened to veto all pending bills until she gets a budget. This is big news.

This video is worth the time:

http://www.tvw.org/capitolrecord/

manthou — March 18, 2012 at 12:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

*I am not as convinced, though, that he has the public interest at heart.*

I am not totally convinced as of yet, I guess time will tell along with homework.

ELISI — March 18, 2012 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Something for all to ponder..
I received this from one of my brothers..

No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, and only get 50% of their pay. While Politicians hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, and receive full pay retirement after serving one term. It just does not make any sense.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."

ELISI — March 18, 2012 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Thank you for the vid, the link and your opinions. *Just print the truth. Live an excuse-free life, and all will be well. Good advice for us all. :)* Amen!

Outside of Republicans dictating/enacting moral code to their constituents, they have refused to compromise and continue to obstruct progress in the states in which they have limited control, and the states in which Republicans are majored, they push through legislation that goes against the majority of "we the people", to include the ones that helped put them in office.

In regards to our Governors frustration...(kn_d this isn't a hit job btw, just bringing something to light)

k_nd- You constantly criticize without offering any fixes.

*Perhaps you can finally understand the nature of limited government.*

This is the 21st century way Republicans try and control. If not majored obstruct. If majored push through legislation any way you can to appease those who contributed the most monies to your election coffers.

They don't want to fix anything that doesn't fit into their narrative. As a matter of fact if it's broken, they love to highlight policy failures that in essence they have caused through obstruction, blame the party in power and wait till next election.

Not a whole lot new with this, except they are doing it with a ferocity knowing they can ride the coattails of the uber wealthy that put them in office.

Last week Scott Walker was bragging he is looking forward to making much much more than the (I believe it was $150,000 annual) taxpayers of Wisconsin provide him.

Can't wait for November, Wisconsin voters don't have that long to wait!

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


On Madore having a "change of heart"? :)))...about running....I think we all saw this coming.

If anyone thinks Dave (may I call you Dave? :)) has honorable intentions for our community...

Think back to when he 'graced' us with his forum presence. Constantly railing against raising any kind of tax to better our schools, fix our roads, and many many more much needed services. His inability to discourse with those who choose not to embrace his radicalized conservative culture should be enough not to consider him for office.

Don't let Huckerbee have a voice at this level.

It could damage our community for years.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi,

While what you show may seem unfair, we have a bigger fight on our hands - and the enemy is the Pentagon. DOD has been tasked to find spending reductions. They're already reducing the end strength of the military - we no longer have the assets to fight more than one conflict at the same time. This would be OK if we were closing down the combat zones, but with Afghanistan still up for another year, and places like Syria and Iran looming - this may be a bit premature.

DOD is also pushing (again) to have Active Duty family members and retirees pay TRICARE premiums and deductibles similar to any other policy. They're playing cute on this one - it wasn't guaranteed in the enlistment contract. Past recruiting promises and care delivered are meaningless to them.

The next target is military retirement - the 50% of base pay may soon be a thing of the past.

http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/07/military-retirement-faces-overhaul-plans/

Elisi, what's saved us from these things already being in place is a majority in Congress who believe that it's important to stand by the promises made to the people who serve(d). (And perhaps an understanding that we won't have a military left if these cuts continue.)

roger — March 18, 2012 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 9:43- *But the alternatives are fun to think about. Will the three anti-Romneys come to agreement, and shift all their support to one? And can they pull in enough of the uncommitted caucus delegates to keep Romney from a majority? Then, will the GOP bring one of their superheroes out from hiding and have that person take the prize?*

Heh heh. Yes they are fun to think about. Barnum & Baily would die from envy.

Palin has intimated she might make a go of it. The resurgence of Bachman, Jim Demint Tea would be in the works.....and they still have a Bush to push!

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Anyone remember when alley met with Dave? Dave has a life size cut-out of Dubya in his office.

Nothing more needs to be said!

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal



i watched animal planet most of last night (read 'tv is getting really lousy'), about 'pet acupuncturists', and this rehab place that animals can be sent who have been rescued. there was this feral cat found, sick with a virus that attacked it's nervous system. they were treating it by helping it walk again...strength training in a 90-degree pool of water, electrode stimulation of it's muscle groups.....

i suddenly realized...that cat is treated better than our wounded soldiers.
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GOLDIE: greg gutfeld used to work for huffington post...guess that'll calm down the frenzies.
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didn't go the 'start from seed' route this time...really don't have enough usable space to make that economically reasonable. i'm waiting for individual seedlings to come out...will buy heritage plants, save a few seeds for next spring.
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if he's businessman and not morphed-politician, i'm liking madore.
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like that 28th amendment idea, except i believe (being the paranoid that i am) we reduce our weapon stock at the extreme peril of our safety. and ***NOTHING*** is too good or too expensive for the best this country has; our warriors. take it from congress, give it to them.
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glad to see some returning names.the more seasoning, the better the soup :)

DeeLittle — March 18, 2012 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hey lew...madore seems to have pushed some major democrat button, huh.

thanks for taking the heat for being the one to point out the double standards and rank hypocrisy of the usual bomb throwers.

you set a standard i'm now gonna hafta meet...ah, the joys of personal responsibility....

DeeLittle — March 18, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**MATT**

i've had some problems getting this thing scanned....worked out now.

however....

we've done this before and i'm wondering why, after you tell me i'm ok to post, you change your mind and pull my access. frankly, if the purpose is to keep me from fb posting, it's about to work.

if i send you this scanned piece of mail, what's next? a few posts again, then *another* invisible plug-pulling?

DeeLittle — March 18, 2012 at 3:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mike Schroetke gave a C link on the FB side. Here's an excerpt. Transparency doesn't seem to be paramount with Dave...

"Have you ever held elective office before or does this represent the first time you've run for elective office?"

Madore's answer: "Rather than the public arena, my 30 year experience as CEO of a private business has helped me to develop good judgment, problem solving skills, and a passion to equip others to be successful."

It was a curious non-answer, considering Madore had run for office before, in his former hometown of Los Alamitos, Calif.

Madore was among a group of folks in Southern California who ran for school boards based on religious and "traditional values," according to an article, titled "We've landed; Now We Have to Infiltrate: Religious Groups are Undaunted by Losses," from the Los Angeles Times dated Nov. 7, 1985.

Many of the candidates were backed by a donor group called California Coalition for Traditional Values. Madore and another candidate "denied allegations that they were accepting money or were in some way controlled by the fundamentalist group. But the candidates did not reject the groups' endorsements or goals," according to the report.

Madore lost his bid for the Los Alamitos Unified School Board by 1,100 votes. None of the traditional values candidates won.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


While what you show may seem unfair, we have a bigger fight on our hands - and the enemy is the Pentagon. DOD has been tasked to find spending reductions. They're already reducing the end strength of the military - we no longer have the assets to fight more than one conflict at the same time. This would be OK if we were closing down the combat zones, but with Afghanistan still up for another year, and places like Syria and Iran looming - this may be a bit premature.

The Pentagon (please consider the source) is telling us we may be able to fight only one war at a time? It then seems the Dept of Defense is improperly named. The arguement should be framed as to whether the US can continue-read afford-to be an imperial power. Is our foreign policy so contrary to other country's policies an aircraft carrier needs to be looming on the horizon to implement policy? Perhaps so, but as our recent incursions in the Middle East have and will continue to demonstrate, that policy only lasts as long as the military power is there to ensure it's continuance. Lost in all this is another question, do Americans favor having a military with current capabilities and bear the cost? The butter vs guns arguement? It is possible I'm out of step with a majority of Americans. Maybe a majority do favor having a war machine from hell is worth draining the nation's resources. Maybe we are that trigger happy. Would explain the murder rate.

As far as global hotspots, the list is long, always has been, and always will be. How many wars is enough?

mrd — March 18, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, you are not out of step. The majority of people are tired of this constant war. Enough is enough. How many more need to die to get the point across? And for what? what did we get out of Iraq? Dead soldiers and a massive bill. But then again, that whole fiasco was a snow job to start with.

Countries where defense/war machine is such a large part of the overall budget, also usually do not last. History tells us so.

For everything else you said: yes, what you said.

luvithere — March 18, 2012 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd,

I tend to believe what you say about our country having a habit of getting involved militarily in places where we shouldn't be. A great deal (possible majority?) of those currently serving and veterans would agree with this observation.

The deal is, when The Pres or Congress say Go - we went and will continue to go. Duty and all that good stuff. The solution is simple - if you don't like this, then elect people who don't resort to using the military every time they get pissed about something.

What I was talking about (in that para) was sending our troops into conflicts undermanned and with substandard equipment. Which is something that becomes more likely as we continue with our slash and burn approach to budget cuts, while our civilian leaders continue to feel obligated to get involved with every perceived threat to our way of life or human rights violation around the world.

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his." GEN George S. Patton

roger — March 18, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**LUV**

i remember good ol' sadam....

he's the earlier iran: he was given sanction after sanction, condemnation after condemnation, and he did the same thing iran's doing...played for time and ignored everything else.

and, like iran, we kept up the intelligence (as best we could in that region) to monitor just how weaponized he was getting. based on that, our allies and the u.s. became sufficiently convinced he was so dangerous he needed removal. so, a multinational coalition (mainly us, since we're the superpower) did the job.

it's interesting to note that iran's supply of yellow cake was reported to have increased around that time....

so, we have two opinions; get us OUT OF REGIONAL CONFLICTS, or, based on WWII, NEVER AGAIN.

DeeLittle — March 18, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


On the Columbian's current survey to define "Community." If there is an online community for the Columbian, it is here, not on the Facebook side. But is "community" in the popular definition of the word even close to being present online? Isn't community people we actually see, hear, hang out with? And what is the Colombian's motivation for creating website community-is this an entirely altruistic purpose, or is their a commercial angle also? Lou Branncacio states the newspaper is making money. But for how long?
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3eef0bc4-6f73-11e1-9c57-00144feab49a.html#axzz1pW3bnf8E

normseubert — March 18, 2012 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Normseubert --- Isn't community people we actually see, hear, hang out with? And what is the Colombian's motivation for creating website community?

Recently The Columbian had a Tweetup for those who tweet w/Columbian. It was in the evening at Pizza Schmizza in Salmon Creek. From all reports, it sounded like attendees enjoyed meeting.

C has tweeted several times about taking the Comments Survey. However, I can't remember if anyone has stopped by here to remind us. I know there is the generic notice on this page.

You can take the survey without answering the questions that don't make sense and aren't relevant to us. There are several text boxes where you can write to the paper. Now that complicates things for the C. They might not bother to even read written comments. However, I think it makes sense to fill it out even to just say thank you for allowing us to converse. The C wants us to color within the lines.

langenthal — March 18, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Dee,
that whole intel thingy with Iraq, weapons, uranium, Plume, etc etc. I rather not even go there.
This was one conflict we did not need to get into. If I remember correctly it started with "Iraq has ties to Bin Laden" and it went down the rabbit hole from there. bad bad bad.

I was actually in favor of going into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden, Just never dreamed we would be there 10 years later.

if we just wanted to get rid of Saddam, well, hm, yea, remember how we got the other one?

luvithere — March 18, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm more worried about Israel and Obama's hawkish foreign policy than Iran. The Jews as well as Americans have no idea how advanced Iran's nuclear program is. It's the crap Bush doctrine of preemptive strike. Take a guess and sling some arrows, just like we did in Iraq. American politicians have to put the clamps on future aggression. The Jews are forcing Obama's political hand, and I'm sure this election year more than a few hardcore hawks have been whispering in Netanyahu's ear.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


agree, luv....gotta pick your battles (in a manner of speaking :)
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> Maybe we are that trigger happy. Would
> explain the murder rate
.mrd

i read news from everwhere...russia, china, uk...all over the place.

last friday alone, there were 16 shootings in chicago. think it's more gang than gun, mrd.

DeeLittle — March 18, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My favorite post about Madore,

"ya he just went from narcissistic businessman to POS politician. Not a step up. "

hawkeye — March 18, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfiE1B...

Some common sense from the northern community.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit, DeeLittle, luvithere, mrd,

Now, imagine what happens when (name your bad guy) decides they can do something we don't like. Say, Pakistan decides they can start selling nukes to whomever they please - something that will become very possible if al Zawahiri is successful with his current attempts to incite an Arab Spring uprising there and they succeed in overthrowing the government.

Or suppose Israel and Iran do go to war. Does anyone really think we're going to stay out of it, and not go to Israel's defense?

Anyhow, all our leaders in DC will get offended, and all the super patriots will start banging the drums, and lets send our Armed Forces in to take care of the problem. But guess what - there isn't one left that can do the job. Because we have an all volunteer service, and no one will want to play when Uncle Sam is so willing to renege on the promises made to those who went to take care of all this nastiness for us in the past.

But maybe that will be a good thing, because then we'll have to go back to having a draft. (And we can have nice little discussions about the poor fighting the wars while the rich get student deferments, etc., all over again.) Or maybe we can just sit back and pray nothing bad will come our way because we aren't acting aggressively - after all, if we're the nice guys, no one should want to bother us - correct?

Someone once said that in all of recorded history there were only 37 days when there wasn't a war going on somewhere on this planet. Once upon a time we could ignore them. But in this modern "smaller" world, what used to be regional conflicts tend to affect everyone. If you don't like the wars we're getting into, then elect the right kind of people who won't want to get into them. (Like Pres Obama said he was going to be - do you have any clue as to why he changed his tune?) But we need to be prepared to fight. And in the world we live in now, there won't be time to recruit and train up like in the past. We better have an Armed Forces that is capable of handling the problem from the outset.

roger — March 18, 2012 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger- I'm not altogether sure of your gist. There have been and will be scary scenario's around the world. Bombing, invading and occupying countries without just cause are why much of the world doesn't trust us. That's much the reason for our many wars that we get involved with.

Retaliation. It's why 9/11 took place as well as many other terrorists events. What did they think would happen putting U.S. forces in Mecca.

*(Like Pres Obama said he was going to be - do you have any clue as to why he changed his tune?) But we need to be prepared to fight.*

Military readiness as an excuse to war? I'm not getting what you are alluding to.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v;=BpiDZWo4vQQ&feature;=endscreen

Obama didn't come into office a peacenik that's for sure. He should have went exclusively with Biden's suggestion from the get go.

nailingit — March 18, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


MOLINE, Ill. – Mitt Romney doubled down on his critique of President Barack Obama’s energy policy at a campaign stop in western Illinois on Sunday, accusing the president of keeping a campaign promise to raise gas prices if elected.

"There's one promise he's kept. One promise he's kept. When he campaigned he said he wanted to raise the price of gasoline. He said that under him, energy costs would skyrocket. And then he brought in a trio of people to help him implement those policies," Romney said at a pancake breakfast here.

**An independent fact check by the Washington Post awarded three Pinocchios – the newspaper’s measure, on a scale of one to five, that measures accuracy – to a similar claim by a Louisiana congressman that the president "got his wish" with $4-per-gallon-gasoline. The Romney campaign did not respond to a request to clarify when Obama made such a claim.**

In a January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board, then-candidate Obama said his cap-and-trade plan would cause electricity costs to rise, but he did not reference gas prices.

hawkeye — March 18, 2012 at 11:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — March 18, 2012 at 8:30 p.m

No truer words spoken!

ELISI — March 18, 2012 at 11:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


re. wh wanting to raise gas prices....

> “Somehow we have to figure out how to
> boost the price of gasoline to the
> levels in Europe,” Mr. Chu, who
> directs the Lawrence Berkeley National
> Laboratory in California, said in an
> interview with The Wall Street Journal
> in September (2008).

and obama appointed *him* energy secretary.

the washington post may want to play symantic games, but the line can be drawn, if one simply opens one's eyes and looks.

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 12:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"the washington post may want to play symantic games, but the line can be drawn, if one simply opens one's eyes and looks."

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 12:34 a.m

Too bad YOU can't do that.

Newt is campaigning on $2 a gallon gas. It's just another thing he CAN'T do.

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 4:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Can Dave be on the C-Tran board? If so he may have a chance. But I'm thinkin' that the good ol' boy's club is in full force and he won't be allowed to play in their sand box so to speak.

Should be an interesting race! He'd better be more than a one issue candidate though.

JohnCasey — March 19, 2012 at 5:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


i remember good ol' sadam...

DeeLittle — March 18, 2012 at 4:42 p.m

So because you said that, we can "assume" that you were a fan of "sadam"?

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 5:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey: Another thing that got my alarm ringing about David Madore's candidacy: He pledges to assemble a crack "leadership" team to help him, according to a quote in The Columbian.

Who will the members of that team be? That is the question that haunts me.

I am not so impressed so far with the quality of "leader" he chooses to support him now. Think Josephine. Think Debbie. Neither present very well.

manthou — March 19, 2012 at 6:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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