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Good morning kids, it's March 19th and snowing. Who'da thunkit?

Manthou, regarding your post on last weeks forum, along with Josephine and Debbie, maybe Lew. He seems like a big supporter and it would give him something to do besides harassing everyone on the FB side.

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


LEW WATERS FOR MAYOR OF VANCOUVER!!!!!

(Sorry, Hawk...I had to tease ya this morning!!!)

The snow has let up at our house. Only got a dusting but it's still a good reminder that winter's grip hasn't let up on us, yet. You know I heard on the news that it was in the upper 70's back east???

Sigh...

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye,

I'll take what we got this morning anytime over how much where my daughter and her family live.

They have had over 120 inches since the 1st day of winter.
She said last night that the snow berms on the streets are over 10 ft high.

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I know Golden.....How about....HAWKEYE for MAYOR???????????????

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Heyyyy!!! I can see it now...the yard signs with a picture of a hawk...it's wary eye keeping a close watch on government corruption....

Hmm...might work! Yeah...good selection! At least we know Hawkeye is strong in his convictions and wouldn't give in and change his stance on things like some politicians have in recent years.

So how 'bout it, Hawk??? If not mayor...how about County Commish???

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dang, ELISI...you read all the posts from yesterday??? My gray bar function had to be reset...danggitt!!! Don't know why, but I feel like posting this video this morning. It's my wild side, today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRnZK...

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 8:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL Golden, good old Ted Nugent..one crazy dude!!

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Anyone else's internet running extremely slow this morning?

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


No problems on mine...at least, not yet.

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice, ladies...

Can't be Mayor of Vancouver, I live in Battle Ground and I think you need to be a resident. At least I HOPE you do. Clark Commish???? Maybe. Only if it includes medical and a large supply of Tylenol for the headaches that come with the job.

First order of business is to build the Casino and then a NASCAR track.

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Where would the NASCAR track be located? Portland has their little international raceway. Regarding the casino, I've heard the Mohegan folks have cleared their debts and are going strong right now.

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I've been thinking, Hawkeye. Once everyone clears the Jantzen Beach area during rush hour, isn't I-5 Northbound already a racetrack? Funny how the gridlock begins where the HOV lane ends.

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


LOLOLOL Hawkeye, my husband just said he'd vote for ya!

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Myself I prefer drags..funny cars with John Force

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think the track needs to go somewhere around Vancouver Lake. There's a lot of nice land around there and it's away from the majority of population. Portland has their PIR but it's not NASCAR. We could also add a track for destruction derby, people love that stuff.

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Book: Obama blamed troubles on Fox**

“…Fed by Fox News, they hear Obama is a Muslim 24/7, and it begins to seep in…The Republicans have been at this for 40 years. They have new resources, but the strategy is old,” Corn recounted Obama as saying.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74181.html#ixzz1pa5Us8RH

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Willard has an edge!!! He wears MAGIC MORMON UNDERWEAR. No wonder he's doing so.... well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cbfgm...

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 10:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I can't imagine what it's like to live down south. Imagine what the forums look like! It's the same old story...same old song and dance. Remember Dr. Tiller?

A new bill moving through the Tennessee House of Representatives would require the state to publish the names of each doctor who performs an abortion and detailed statistics about the woman having the procedure, which opponents worry will spur anti-abortion violence in the state.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/tennessee-abortion-bill_n_1363410.html

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk_ I knew about the underwear, but not about the special protection they offer. This type of ritualist acting reminds me of rosary beads, head coverings, etc. It has to be a source of contention within the church. With so much public Mormon attention via Romney, look for the church to come up with new revelation as they did in the 70's allowing blacks into the Priesthood.

So many of them are Baggers, Fruit of the Loom would be appropriate!

I'm thinking about starting my own sect. It would combine Mormonism, Catholicism, Extraterrestrialism, Judaism, and the French Foreign legion.

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What you can't begin a conversation on the new Columbian poll I just put up? ;-) Come on man! (And ladies too!)

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — March 19, 2012 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh Lou, too bad you can't spend more time here. The ONLY time you drop by is to promote something......

Just to make you happy (a little) I don't think it's going to be Romney against Obama. I think the Repubs are going to bring in a ringer.

As for Madore, I think he's going to drop out before it gets to the election. He's so lame, I think he's going to see that his numbers are going to be really low and won't want to spend any more of his not so hard earned money. It goes really fast when it's YOUR money.

BTW, how do you like my "reporter" look?

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, I'm "promoting" a discussion.

On to your point:

* I disagree. It will be Romney.
* I disagree. Madore won't drop out.
* I agree. You look pretty dang good with the hat. I need to get me one of those.
* And I feel Zod has a shot.

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — March 19, 2012 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Lou,

Don't forget the black trench coat to do with the Fedora.

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


oops meant "go" not do...;)

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't own either but you're right. They go together!

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — March 19, 2012 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Might give you different image..

I can see it now..

Ace reporter/editor Lou Brancaccio seen downtown on a case in this years trendy black trench coat and his trade mark Fedora.

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i read where the French are coming unglued because some guy on a motorcycle has shot and killed about a half dozen minorities, while wounding a few others in the past 10 days. This weekend alone in Chicago, 10 people were shot dead and 39 wounded, and it's just a headline. The French are turning up every rock looking for the guy, but in Chicago, ho-hum, just another weekend. The level of violence tolerated in this country is incredible.

mrd — March 19, 2012 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


50/50 it goes to a brokered convention. If so it won't be Romney...

No way in hell Dave's ego will allow him to drop out...

Superman always wins.

I thought the poll had more to do with assessing what interests the C's customer base. Local, National and/or Lil' Abner.

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This week the Georgia State Legislature debated a bill in the House, that would make it necessary for some women to carry stillborn or dying fetuses until they 'naturally' go into labor. In arguing for this bill Representative Terry England described his empathy for pregnant cows and pigs in the same situation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Why am I NOT surprised..

Budget differences aren't that big between Democrats and GOP

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2017770205_budget_differences_arent_that.html

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 4:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit - have you ever been active in politics?

soapbox4u — March 19, 2012 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


wow !!

to what do we owe the honor of a visit by the landlord?

(other than advertising, that is >smirk<)

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***repost from last week (hoping for an answer)*
MATT**

i've had some problems getting this thing scanned....worked out now.

however....

we've done this before and i'm wondering why, after you tell me i'm ok to post, you change your mind and pull my access. frankly, if the purpose is to keep me from fb posting, it's about to work.

if i send you this scanned piece of mail, what's next? a few posts again, then another silent plug-pulling?

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 5:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My vote's in for Superman -vs- Zod. Just don't let Zod in on where the kryptonite is hidden.

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI @2:41 p.m.

We wouldn't want Lou going into downtown Portland with his trench coat and hat. Someone might think he's copying Bud Clark.

goldenoldie — March 19, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u- Great avatar! Other than armchair quarterbacking not really.

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie, the difference was, Bud's hat was NOT on his head. (the one on top of his neck)

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mitt Romney Pledges To Push Back Against Teachers Unions**

Romney said he would not "necessarily" eliminate the Department of Education, but said that it may combined with agencies and that its "reach" into the states has to be "pulled back."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/mitt-romney-teachers-unions-education_n_1362689.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden and Hawkeye,

Only way Lou could be mistaken for Bud Clark is if he can do the
Whoop whoop and wear a handlebar moustache ;)

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In answer to Editor Lou's poll - Boldt vs. Madore. Madore has that entertaining quality of being able to have us love him or hate him. Our own local version of Santorum.

Besides - Obama vs. Romney is getting boring. We all know they're just talking for their constituency, and will go where the money says go once elected.

roger — March 19, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From the let's make drones company---

"It announced plans in December to add two new buildings to its waterfront campus at the Bingen-based Port of Klickitat on the Washington side of the Columbia River, directly across the river from Hood River, Ore."

the things these folks make kill people, plain and simple. Is this the new technology we want to embrace? Campus? Anyone think that's full of it? I thought a campus was a learning institiution, as in education, not an "educating" facility to sell something. Dopey me, but for their "jobs" claim. are these the jobs we want? I think we kill enough folks in the good ol' USA, we don't need to go abroad, heck, we can kill most right here in the good ol' USA!

mrd — March 19, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**MRD**

until the world suddenly morphs into paradise, i'm not about to be the first one to disarm.

as for 'things these folks make kill people, plain and simple"..these drones have more than a military use.

jobs...? youbetcha i'm for more manufacturing in the usa...and we're at a perfect point in global positioning to reclaim our mfg base; china can't keep it up or it'll destroy it's economy. watch for smaller nations with similiar gvt structures to try to compete...but WE have the base already ready to re-start.

*time to put the usa back to work.*

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The church of *calamité publique* .....

...a place where praying for the dead is a given, but mercy's not for the livin'.

...our churches contraceptive devices are equipped with variable speed control/containment accessories.

...we embrace exploration via our ancient mothers, the Palinthians, and our ancient fathers, the Santorians..ceremonial 'tea on the knees' every tuesday all day/nite..

...where yamaka's shine with the tinnist of foils, and Netanyahu is nothing more than a Russian e-mail address...

..and finally a place where french fries are served up 24/7 with your choice of accoutrements.
...soon to be home for the New York statuesque Lady of Liberty, she's no longer wanted in NY. Details to be worked out at a later date...

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 7:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd,

Not only are drones used for surveillance and for taking out targets with minimal collateral damage but once the Firescout is complete which is a drone helicopter it can fly in supply's and even medivac people. The navy even has a small drone boat used for protection of harbors.

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The things these people are making, for sales outside the U.S., do not kill people. The ones they make weigh only forty pounds and are strictly for surveillance.

They can't be used in the U.S. because they don't weigh enough and they have such a small signature on radar that they can be confused with a flock of birds.

The other things they make .. well that another story. As far as I can tell from their website all their models are just for everything but armaments. They can't carry any weapons. Or rockets. They are not big and heavy enough.

As far as the tech I want to embrace, well hell ya. If we can watch our boarders more effectively then I'm all for that. Go to the website and see all the tech they have available for these things. These things could save many lives with all the new gadgets and therefore I will gladly embrace it.

And by they way if anyone is worried about privacy issues, well we all gave that up when we had cameras installed everywhere else. You can't drive down the street more than a hundred yards without being on camera. Go to insitu.com for the rest of the story.

JohnCasey — March 19, 2012 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldenoldie, you may find that if one page after another looks the same, there is a good reason for that. Not trying to lecture you here, just saying something. My first rule of epistemology may have fallen flat, but it’s along the lines of all roads lead to Rome. If one understands that… then the VAST majority of political thought becomes clear. One side or the other. And while EXCEPTIONS abound, I believe that the major dividing line is in one’s belief in the purpose of government. Certainly there are two major divisions. Understand where one is coming from in one’s belief in the purpose of government: and much of the rest will fall into place. Other things are beating around the bush. So much of the rest of this is just rehashing the same thing in somewhat different terms.

Hey Hawkeye, sorry I didn’t find a way to get you in my last little story, but I thought you may not have liked being the professor’s assistant, and there wasn’t anything else left. Maybe I should have made you the Starship commander who took the Siberians and the Republicans to the new planet but that would have entailed another page. My story was already pretty long as it was. (And besides, you wouldn’t have liked to go away with those Republicans anyway).

I’ve been tired of this for a while now. I said I was leaving a few months ago ( this thing is addictive [put smiley face here]). This time I really mean it. Love you all. Kn_dalai. (And this time I ain’t even going look back. Yes, Is true.)

kn_dalai — March 19, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — March 19, 2012 at 7:42 p.m

Ahh come on kn_d, don't go away..I enjoy your posts.

You are correct when you said "all roads lead to Rome".
How true that is, oh so true!

ELISI — March 19, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai: Oh, please stick around. I mean it. Diversity of opinion makes the basement so much more interesting! I learned something of value when you pulled us up short once in awhile. Take a "vacation", by all means, (the kind goldie likes), but come back soon. God Speed. Good Speed.
________________________________
soapbox4u: Did you make that fantastic avatar? Clever!

manthou — March 19, 2012 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


k_nd- Love ya man! I've enjoyed our discussions. Please reconsider! We'll never see eye to eye on the proper role of Government, but I think we agree with the whole "love thy neighbor" concept. Hit me up for a cup a java some time!

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — March 19, 2012 at 7:42 p.m

Not opposed to hanging with the Republican'ts as long as I can keep them in the cargo hold.

You really don't have to go, who knows, it might get a little more interesting now that the Sphincter of NE 136th is running.

hawkeye — March 19, 2012 at 8:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdltHg...

kn_d- I remember you said you enjoyed Alvin Lee. In your honor my friend.

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Not only are drones used for surveillance and for taking out targets with minimal collateral damage"
Tell the folks in Pakistan, Aphganistan, and Iraq that. They might disagree. I'm not going to parse details, these things, internationally anyway, kill people-drones that is. If people are OK with that then I doubt the murder rate in this country is too much too handle. I luv the "taking out targets with minimum collateral damage". Sounds like a Pentagon press release. Yea, we kill 'em, but we do it cleaner than most-sometimes. If we can't get their alliance with money or foreign aid, we bomb 'em. Howz that workin' for us? It ain't a perfect world, so let's get with it and bomb 'em, it's the American way, either here or there. What the heck, we slaughter more of each other than the rest of our allies and enemies do combined. How many Americans have been slaughtered by Americans since 9/11? I'm sure the number dwarfs those killed on 9/11. But, as we're the nicest guys on the planet, that doesn't matter. What matters is how many others we can kill, especially if our number of killed to their number of killed is in our favor. So let's go for it! Brought to you by an aircraft carrier coming to your neighborhood soon. Bombs away!!!!
BTW-we're broke. Shall we continue this insane policy that we simply can't afford? Sure, why not, we've got a duty to kill these bad guys. After all, they don't like us. Wonder why. In most international polls, the US is seen as the largest threat to world peace. Hhmmm..but that says little because we're the good guys, right? Yea right.

mrd — March 19, 2012 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I wish the Pentagon & DOD endorsed your sentiments mrd, great write. Every time "collateral damage" takes place, we breed hate that will last generations.

Baggers detest anything equated to socialism, (so they think) but seem to embrace Imperialism without hesitation.

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal



methinks mrd needs a nice...cup...of tea.

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*In most international polls, the US is seen as the largest threat to world peace*

i'd sure like to see the cite for that one

DeeLittle — March 19, 2012 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


After 6 years of Bush...

**US seen as a bigger threat to peace than Iran, worldwide poll suggests**

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/15/usa.iran

nailingit — March 19, 2012 at 11:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie: You will be interested in this latest Occupy offshoot: the historic lawsuit against Monsanto by over 300,000 organic farmers, supported by Willie Nelson:

http://www.nationofchange.org/300000-organic-farmers-sue-monsanto-federal-court-decision-march-31st-go-trial-1329059467

I love it when the little guy bands together against an abusive giant. I will be watching this one.....

Speaking of Occupy: May 1 is a day to stay home from work or school (I guess unless you take care of the vulnerable) and a day to keep your pennies in your pocket:

http://www.occupymay1st.org/

No matter how you feel about this movement, you have to be grateful to live in a country that protects the right to free speech.

Today's quiz: Why is free speech important to democracy?
And, for our recently departed kn_dalai: Why is it important to a republic? :))

manthou — March 20, 2012 at 5:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Two years from now, the state will have a health care exchange under new federal legislation anyway, he said, making this proposal moot. The consolidated system wouldn’t even be in place by then."

Unless I read the article incorrectly, it seems the FBer's didn't pay attention. The state wants to consolidate teacher's health care to save money. The teacher's union is rallying against that plan and is being attacked for supporting Obama's health care reform way back when. As a state representative points out, the federal health care will do the same thing before the state could consolidate the teacher's health care anyway. If I were a teacher, I would be more than skeptical of the proponents of this bill.

mrd — March 20, 2012 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Kn-Dalai...I know what you're saying and didn't consider what you had to say as a lecture. Good food for thought, my friend. I'm sorry to see you have decided to leave the forum...boy do I know where you're coming from on *that* one. Sometimes I have to take an extended break and who knows on one of those breaks if I decide to come back or not. Most likely, I would and I know that would break a heart or two. All in all, it's a good group of folks who share in their diverse opinions, here...but like you say, it's rehashing the same old, same old.

I wish all good thoughts for you and maybe...just maybe...the forum will see you again (hoping, hoping).

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou at 5:07 a.m.

Thanks for the links. Regarding Monsanto (and Dow for that matter), knowledge of what it is they're doing and how it affects our daily lives is only half the battle. Taking action is the other. More power to the farmers...and even more strength is needed by the consumers to educate themselves and take action at home. Thanks to a dear friend of mine, I have finally found the need to stop utilizing margarine or whipped butter in a tub by making my own butter or Devonshire cream. And OHHH does it taste good on my homemade bread and biscuits!!! I've all but eliminated the purchase of anything in a plastic container or prepackaged meals/meal supplements.

Also, I just finished sharing an email with my niece from Australia who was literally in shock with what she had read about styrofoam containers. I shared this following link with her and would like to share it with everyone here:

http://www.medicinenet.com/plastic/article.htm

Here's the link she sent me:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6862965_toxicity-heated-styrofoam.html

All the more reason why I repeat my comment - *Knowledge is good. What we do with the knowledge we obtain is even better if used wisely.*

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Also Manthou...I just heard the occupiers are planning a protest in Portland...a protest against Trimet. That'll be interesting. They're protesting the cuts in service in hikes in rates.

And THAT'S what we have to look forward to in the future, here!!! Cuts in service and hikes in rates along with higher property taxes, sales taxes and yes...tolls.

Oh dither!!!

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 7:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, I too don't understand their thinking. However, what I think I'm seeing is their perceived loss of ability to negotiate for this benefit. In both cases, they will no longer get to chose their carrier but in the State's case they are still receiving health care as a benefit and in the National case, they will be receiving it as a right. All in all they think they are losing "power". I'm with the state on this one. If they can get a carrier large enough to cover everyone in all areas (I don't know who that might be)and to have them bid on the contract to get the biggest bang for the buck, it should be a win for everyone. And the unions are not losing anything, actually they are winning as well since they no longer have to deal with healthcare in their contracts.

hawkeye — March 20, 2012 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Morning all, I am doing the happy dance today for a few reasons.
Grandson, all A's on his report card 1 B. Where the family is living now,the schools are actually challenging the students. No longer is he being held back to wait for other students to catch up like he was here. Plus he was moved to first chair in band for the instrument he plays. Very proud Grandmom here.

Second, a friend stopped by last night, he and his son has opened their own business. I wish them success and do so hope they prosper.

Might be cloudy and rainy out today, but I feel like the sun is shinning..great day all around.

ELISI — March 20, 2012 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Chuck Winder, Idaho Lawmaker, Suggests Women Use Rape As Excuse For Abortions**

Winder, a Republican from Boise, responded to those concerns by raising the question of whether women understand when they have been raped.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/chuck-winder-rape-abortions_n_1366994.html

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 10:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**House GOP Budget Blueprint Released**

WASHINGTON -- Conservative Republicans controlling the House unveiled a budget blueprint Tuesday that combines slashing cuts to safety net programs for the poor with sharply lower tax rates in an election-year manifesto painting clear campaign differences with President Barack Obama.

Medicaid would be sharply cut and awarded to states as a flexible block grant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/house-gop-budget-plan_n_1366455.html

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 10:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


NAIL,
In reply to your post on 3-19 @ 11:07pm
That was a poll taken in 2007, can you cite something this DECADE? Thats what you replied to me in an earlier post....In addition a country like the US with its vast Millitary may indeed seem a bigger threat than a country like Iran or Indonesia or kerbackstan back in 07.. Who knows how the question was asked as well. You can make any poll say what you want by making the question lean the way you want the answer... Just my thoughts..OBTW Wall street Journal poll shows BO at 41% approval rating just last week. No president since GB had a lower approval rating...

vanwadreamer — March 20, 2012 at 11:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit and manthou, thanks for the avatar vote, funny how comments can stir the creative mind.

soapbox4u — March 20, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- *can you cite something this DECADE?*

Most Europeans cite Israel, our best friend, as the most dangerous.

It's really bad when one of our strongest allies believe this about us. Given US aggression this is not new news vanwa. We are not well thought of throughout Europe.

Interesting to note this so-called Muslim Pres of appeasement, Obama is hated more in the Arab world than Dubya. That alone might catch a few GOP votes. :)

US bigger peace threat than Iran: Poll

Results from the opinion poll carried out by the German social research and statistical analysis, Forsa, indicate that 45 percent of those surveyed believe that the US is a more serious threat to world peace than Iran.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/189067.html

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Your welcome soap. Good to see you post.

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
I can see that... Again when you’re the big dog on the corner most won't like you for just that...Happens everyday in life too, sorry to say...I do like Ron Pauls stance on one of his Foreign policy statements. Quit giving money to other countries to help build their infrastructure when yours at home is in need of repair. We shouldn't be the world’s police unless there is imminent harm coming our way...We should be focusing on home...

vanwadreamer — March 20, 2012 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa @ 1:39- A rarity! I like Paul's stance also.

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ever heard of UN agenda 21...? does it really have wording like our prez is using about ... 'social justice'...how awful the usa is and how we must be relieved of monies and ability to use resources...?

if so...that's really frightening. now i understand why the aclu actually filed a request to have the un rule on state's rights to set voter identification rules.

hey guys....we're the united states of AMERICA, ***NOT*** of the un.

DeeLittle — March 20, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well Folks...we'd seen it coming but didn't expect it to happen so quickly. Guess in all the hubbub of world matters, it was considered to be a conspiracy theory (especially by the likes of people like Glenn Beck)...a theory which has come true. On the link I've provided, there's a link to the latest Executive Order signed by our commander in chief on March 16th. It's called the "National Defense Resources Preparedness" Order. If you're interested, read the EO in it's entirety before commenting...and try to keep an open mind on just what is stated. No need to read between the lines. Our fearless leaders will do that all themselves in order to implement that which they deem necessary:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_25076.cfm

No wonder the wild world of media is promoting food hoarding, doomsday stashes and all that. Our government is seeking "free" supplies.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**W.H.: Fewer regs than under Bush**

“In terms of just the facts, the Obama administration’s issued fewer final rules in the first three years than the [George W.] Bush administration did in the first three years,” White House regulatory chief Cass Sunstein told the roughly 70-strong audience at a POLITICO breakfast event at the W Hotel in downtown Washington.

Since retaking the House and increasing their edge in the Senate in 2010, Republicans have seized on the issue of regulations as a way to accuse the White House of hurting economic growth.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74227.html#ixzz1phFqTNTb

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The first sentence of the organic consumer site...

"We told ya so" just doesn't quite cut it anymore. As the American sheeple slept, selfishly refusing to take a stand against tyranny, the Obama administration has been plotting what can only be called a total government takeover of America.

:)))))

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


All these RW conspiracy sites tap into each other. A promoted link from organic consumers......

Birtherism. When will it end?.......................hopefully 2016

This executive order starts out by stating that the U.S. President is the "Commander in Chief" of the U.S. military. This is false. He is not the commander in chief unless and until Congress declares an Act of War. No acts of war have been declared in recent memory, and certainly not under Obama who doesn't even seek congressional approval for war.

So Obama is in no way a "Commander in Chief." In fact, it is questionable whether he is even a U.S. citizen.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035301_Obama_executive_orders_food_supply.html#ixzz1phJikQvU

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 3:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**

being naturally inclined to ... be careful, i self-censor much of my gut-feelings. this thing has been popping up over and over though, and each time it's more insistent and urgent.

global-warming was defeated by new nasa data issued today and the link to agenda 21 can't be denied, the imperial attitude of this president as demonstrated by instructing OUR (supposedly free) media to not report on the secret-service-protected trip to mexico of his daughter, and now this...this...bald-faced assault on our freedom is too much.

what i said to lew, i meant. he's set the bar for personal responsibility...doing what you must in spite of the attacks. i guess it'll be me now that takes the attacks; being 'tin foil wearing', glen beck following (a man who's radio program i turn off), racist, hate mongering you-name-it subhuman who must be beaten down and who's voice must be silenced (anybody ever actually READ saul alinsly...?)

great. personal responsibility's a b*tch.

DeeLittle — March 20, 2012 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*global-warming was defeated by new nasa data issued today* What the hell??? :))

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2012/01/nasa-global-warming-caused-mostly-by-humans/1#.T2kHjBw0i6Y

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/texas-heat-wave-caused-by-global-warming_n_1244788.html

**NASA Video Illustrates 130 Years of Global Warming, Hansen Expects New Global Temperature Record Within 3 Years**

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/01/27/413227/nasa-video-global-warming/

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*who must be beaten down and who's voice must be silenced*

No go, just corrected. The only victimization here, is if anyone would believe this crap.

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, my dear fellow forum follower, we ALL have a personal responsibility to stand up for what we believe in and to shout out when we see or hear of something which alarms us and that we know in our hearts that it is wrong...very wrong.

I will tell you honestly that Glenn Beck annoys me. He always has. Yes, I used to watch his show when it was on Fox...and through his theatrics and sensationalizing of everything from a president picking his sinus cavity, extricating some signal of authority to his cabinet members or some secret society...right down to his concern of "end times,"...he still had messages we all should listen to. The same messages that have been told to us in movies, television shows, talk shows and so on and so forth for decades. One of those messages...that the government would control everything in our lives if allowed, including acquisition of food ...and now this Executive Order??? (note there were no specifications of how to acquire the food)

I'm sure there'll be the comment of right winger Baloney and how this is a conspiracy by those who lean to the right...without the person taking the time to actually read the Executive Order...because they will be in denial that this is actually happening. It'll get to the point that people will deny all which is truly happening till it's too late...then they'll be the ones scratching their heads and say "Whu happened???"

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I see someone's got a lot of gray bars inserted between my comments. Must be they're in denial of the Executive Order listed on the white house. gov website. It's alllll there in plain English...right down to the acquisition of food supplies by the Department of Agriculture.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, the number one part of the entire Executive Order which concerns me the most is Part II Priorities and Allocations, Sec. 201.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: I had never heard of the recent Executive Order until you posted it and I spent a bit of time trying to learn about it. I am no lawyer, though, so the stuff on the White House website need to be interpreted for me.

I did check out Snopes and Media Matters for another point of view. Here is one:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203200010

I will keep reading, though. A lot of people are saying this is about oil and gas in the case of a national emergency. I do see the food and farm equipment stuff.

Well, I run my sweet chariot on domestic biofuel, but wish I had gone one step farther to making it a true waste grease car. I do have a friend on a ranch in Eastern WA who keeps telling me: keep that puppy filled and drive straight to our place when the shite hits the proverbial fan.

Some folks are wondering if the President knows more about the situation in Iran and Israel than he is letting on.

Duh.

Thanks for giving me my after work homework. I'll keep reading and dismissing any site with a biased agenda one way or t'other.

Peace.

manthou — March 20, 2012 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ok, any website that has an article that sensationalizes like this one did and also right throws in the question of Obama's citizenship....sorry, won't do. Birthers need not apply.

Second, I read the bill. It talks about contracts and procurement and who has authority to do such contracts and procurement, it does NOT talk about seizing all resources any time whenever time for no reason because Obama feels like a snack.
Yeesh. Yeesh.

luvithere — March 20, 2012 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks Manthou, that was a good link. Update of an update of an update of an exec order.
Nothing to see, moving on.

luvithere — March 20, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So luvithere, what do you call "Food Resources" and "Livestock Resources?" Do you think it's only found in boxes and cans on the shelves at the grocery stores???

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou, thanks for keeping an open mind on the subject.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Food stock and livestock, yes, food. I am talking about the whole bill. It talks about contracts, procurement, what to do if and when. That means buying. It mentions such things like bio warfare also.
It is a defense bill, and again, an old existing bill that gets regularly updated.
What I object to is that it gets turned into "Obama takes over."
If that were the case, it would be the perfect slogan for our GOP candidates. But as Manthou's link shows, even so-called right-wing media and groups lose no sleep over it.

I surely was no fan of Bush, disagreed with him, thinking his many signing statements in Rose Garden were terrible, disagreed with the Patriot Act as we lose our freedoms under it, hold it against Obama for not getting rid of it. But I never thought Bush wanted to be absolute King and Supreme Leader, etc etc. . And I do not think Obama is either. And that's my point.

luvithere — March 20, 2012 at 4:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I hear ya, luvithere...but one more comment for you. In Section 103 (c), it states

"(103) General Functions. Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order)or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs shall

(c) be prepared, in the event of a potential threat to the security of the United States, to take actions necessary to ensure the availability of adequate resources and production capability, including services and critical technology, for national defense requirements.

This includes Part II PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS which includes Contracts or *ORDERS* including the Agency heads of Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources, Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation, Secretary of Defense with respect to WATER resources and the Secretary of Commerce.

So what contract would any of these possibly have when it's under an *ORDER* by the president?

And by the way...for anybody who feels okay with the fact that anybody in government, whether it be Liberal, Conservative or Moderate...have no concerns...

There's a reason for that. Their numbers have already been called. They DON'T have to worry. Maybe some of you have heard about the "List???"

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Why worry about any of it? These folks haven't. http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/

soapbox4u — March 20, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I think it's good planning on Obama's part. As soon as this Kenyan brings about the complete demise & destruction of the America he and his wife both hate, we're going to need plenty of food to stock those FEMA death camps!!!

I'm starting to get on board for a standardized litmus test before voting!

!!!

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Procurement (definition)

1) The action of obtaining or procuring something.

2) The action or occupation of acquiring military equipment and supplies.

Nothing discussed about paying for what they get! Ahh yes, the stories of my mother in law when she was a young lady...and the foreign military who would "Procure" any and all food from any home, any woman of their choice for their personal needs if they had nothing else to offer...the same families whose husbands were beaten to death if they resisted. Did I mention this was during WW-II in Europe when the Nazi's invaded their home town? Oops...guess I left that little tidbit out till the end.

Anybody ever watch the movie, "The Guns of Navarone" ??? When you have relatives who witnessed the pillage and tell you of the terror they and their loved ones and friends endured...then you read this executive order. You truly wonder just how something so horrendous could be written in a "Legal Document" signed by our one and only leader.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL Soapbox4u...they'll be the first "storage units" hit up for supplies. These people should never have shared their stories on public television.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**NOTES ON 'NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS'**

*Sec 102: "...and capable of contributing to the technological superiority of its national defense equipment in peacetime...."*
didn't he just put into operation plans to REDUCE our stockpile of weapons, and cancel the contract for a new attack plane? reduce the pay and benefits for our all-volunteer military to the point where it won't attract many sign-ups?

*Sec 103. General Functions: "...relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs...."*
that definition for "national defense" is as follows:
"(j) **"National defense" means** programs for military and energy production or construction, **military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation,** homeland security, stockpiling, space,and **any directly related actity...."**

**Sec. 103(a) identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including essential military and civilian demand*
> *(b) assess on an ongoing basis the
> capability of the domestic industrial
> and technological base to satisfy
> requirements in peacetime and times of
> national emergency*
>
> *(c) be prepared, in the event of a
> potential threat to the security of
> the United States, to take actions
> necessary to ensure the availability
> of adequate resources and production
> capability,*
>
> ***(d) improve the efficiency and responsiveness of the domestic
> industrial base to support national
> defense requirements***
>
> *(e) foster cooperation between the
> defense and commercial sectors for
> research and development and **for
> acquisition of materials, services,
> components, and equipment to enhance
> industrial base efficiency and
> responsiveness**.***

so far, i'm only into 3 sections, and it's already making me uneasy. more to come.

DeeLittle — March 20, 2012 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Bet you 10 bucks each and every western country has the nearly identical document.
It still says contract before procurement.
Either way, I am not worried about this bill. I am much more worried about provisions in Patriot Act and other assorted things that go directly against the Constitution. This bill? Preparedness for everything, keeps lawyers busy.

I also have family that knows about nazis, and I have family that knows about the Russians overrunning them. Aware of the stories and probably more aware than anybody else here of the total media machine that was the Nazis. Considering the fact that I am from Germany and had the opportunity to study it in school over there, no holds barred. My family suffered from both sides. In two countries.

But it all hinges on the fact that I believe that neither Bush nor Obama want to be the Supreme leader. I would really like to know how that little "factoid" came to be. I do not mean from you, GO, I just mean how some people seem to take it for granted that he wants to be such a person. Good grief, in this country?

luvithere — March 20, 2012 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere, what concerns me even more than just the Patriot Act...combining that with the NDAA and this EO and whatever else is coming our way...without our rights being violated.

There's a lot more at stake than meets the eye and that's what concerns me the most.

..

DeeLittle...it's making you uneasy???

Now I know I'm not alone. I'm very uneasy and quite concerned about what I have read.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Okay...just this once, I've removed the gray bar feature as long as it is clear that we keep on topic.

Nailingit...if you had noticed my comment at 2:33 pm, I'd mentioned for everyone to read the Executive Order in it's entirety before commenting. I merely shared the link because usually, government websites do not remain available in a link. The EO link was in that article which was clearly opinionated...does not reflect my opinion. It is the executive order that is my concern, not the article.

I'm just the messenger and have questions I ask, hoping to make some understanding of just what it is the president signed.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""...because usually, government websites do not remain available in a link."""

Please add "Any time I've tried to share a government link, it says "time expired so that is why I shared the website."

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Would be good to see the older version of the bill then, the one used under Bush, Clinton. Seriously. That might ease the worries. Or not.

luvithere — March 20, 2012 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere, if you take a look at Section 803, it lists EO 12919 and EO 12656 as being revoked, the first one is Clinton's the second is Reagan's. Hope these help you:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/pdf/12919.pdf

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/EO12656.htm

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Who would a thunk a 50 year old B movie starring David Niven would be a springboard for nutty right wing bagger conspiracies!!!

go- No need to walk it back, your narrative speaks volumes. You have the right to believe anything you wish. When I was about five years old I saw a vampire bear outside of my window. Hey, It could have been real. My folks said "no way" as bears didn't live anywhere nearby. Not within hundreds of miles. But you know...I think I'll try and find some internet sites about vampire bears loose when and where I came from.

I bet I find a few!!!

I'll never stop being amazed!

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It appears the new EO has taken on a change in the manner of who has the power to implement this EO. Compare Sec. 104 with document EO 12919 Sec. 104.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The "list"...wasn't that in Deep Impact???

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, are you saying the executive order is a figment of my imagination? Please don't tell me you're going to try the personal attack angle again. It serves no purpose.

What truly concerns me is the fact that there have been other Executive Orders with nearly the same information, only with more authority acquired by our federal agencies and less freedoms to the people...written in such general terms that interpretation of each statement could be stretched beyond the normal boundaries and human rights having the potential risk of disappearing.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal


N @5:56 p.m.

I wouldn't know. I never saw the movie.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0silS...

Wait a minute. Morgan Freeman, black President, Barack Obama, black President.....

The russians involved with blowing up asteroids...

"E.L.E." extinction level event..add a couple of letters and it's a forum poster...

AHHH!!!

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Saying you are being personally attacked doesn't make it so, no matter how much you repeat it...ohhh...that sounded like make it so number 1! Where's Data???

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 6:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*.written in such general terms that interpretation of each statement could be stretched beyond the normal boundaries and human rights having the potential risk of disappearing.*

It's already happened. It's called the Patriot Act.

Reality front- Romney projected to win Illinois.

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'll give your theories some merit go. They provide stimulative conversation, and that's always a good thing.....in the basement.

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal



So help me out, here, goldie: What is "the list?"

manthou — March 20, 2012 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**manthou**

just a question, nothing more: have you read the EO, or only articles about it?

DeeLittle — March 20, 2012 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee: I did not read it in its entirety. It is on my list to do so.

But I am not a lawyer and, like any law or order, I assume it is open to interpretation.

Maybe that is what has people so spooked? What may seem innocuous to one, may be sinister to another.

manthou — March 20, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


With so many "ocracy's" running around, here's a good guide to understanding the terms many use. I learned a couple of new ones!

manthou, I came across this "list" trying to find what go was referring to. No luck.

10 Lesser Known or Used Forms of Government

*Excerpt*-Plutocracy-Corporations raise and donate significant amounts of revenue for politicians and political parties, and use their financial power to influence favorable legislation; similar to a corporatocracy. The Plutocracy is classically an oligarchy, so a handful of the wealthiest people control everything.

http://listverse.com/2009/03/06/10-lesser-known-or-used-forms-of-government/

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Whoa, this has been a strange day, re: the article on facebook password being required, I find myself in utter agreement with Lew, never thought that I'd see that day.

goldenoldie — March 20, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.

Re: National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order, per the powers vested in the presidency by the Defense Production Act of 1950. Ed Morrissey, who is not one that I would normally link to (being one of those right wing bloggers) says: "...the general impact of it is negligible. This EO simply updates another EO (12919) that had been in place since June 1994, and amended several times since." read his entire article here: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/18/national-defense-resources-preparedness-executive-order-power-grab-or-update/

dfsadfh — March 20, 2012 at 8:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*....what's going on now....*

**"I am pleased to announce that an initial group of eleven countries has significantly reduced their volume of crude oil purchases from Iran -- Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, and the United Kingdom.** As a result, I will report to the Congress that sanctions pursuant to Section 1245 of the National Defense Authorization Act for 2012 (NDAA) will not apply to the financial institutions based in these countries, for a renewable period of 180 days," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a Tuesday statement. "The actions taken by these countries were not easy. They had to rethink their energy needs at a critical time for the world economy and quickly begin to find alternatives to Iranian oil, which many had been reliant on for their energy needs."

The European Union banned all new purchases of Iranian crude oil as of Jan. 23 and will phase out existing contracts by July 1, ...."

...."The main countries that the United States might be forced to sanction at that time include China, Turkey, India, and South Korea, none of which received exemptions today. The State Department official admitted that **the conditions for receiving an exemption are vague.**

"On the case of the other countries, the legislation specifies ‘significantly reduce.' It doesn't define what ‘significantly reduce' is," the official said. "

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/20/state_department_exempts_11_countries_from_iran_sanctions

DeeLittle — March 20, 2012 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*....continued....*

""On the case of the other countries, the legislation specifies ‘significantly reduce.' It doesn't define what ‘significantly reduce' is," the official said.

The official said that Japan represents a model for how other countries could act to avoid sanctions. But under questioning, the official refused to say exactly how much Japan has committed to reducing its dependence on Iranian oil, calling that "commercially protected information." He said Japan reduced its intake of Iranian oil between about 15 to 22 percent over the last half of 2011, depending on how you look at the data. "

DeeLittle — March 20, 2012 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Man!! Start digging for conspiracy lists and it gets pretty wild. Could this be it? I don't want to dig any deeper. Weird vibes with this stuff...

Chinese Secret Society
Challenges Illuminati
By Henry Makow PhD
6-30-7

A Chinese secret society with 6 million members, including 1.8 million Asian gangsters and 100,000 professional assassins, have targeted Illuminati members if they proceed with world depopulation plans, according to Tokyo-based journalist Benjamin Fulford, 46.

They contacted Fulford, a Canadian ex pat, after he warned that the Illuminati plan to reduce the Asian population to just 500 million by means of race-specific biological weapons.

"The Illuminati, with the exception of Japan, is very much a white man's game," Fulford says.

The secret society confirmed Fulford's information and asked him for advice. **He provided a list of 10,000 people associated with the Illuminati, mainly members of the Bilderberg, CFR and Skull and Bones. Neo Cons are also high priority targets.**

"I have been promised that not a single person will die if they negotiate in good faith," Fulford says.

Fulford is the former **Asian Pacific bureau chief for Forbes magazine.** He quit in disgust when Forbes refused to run a damaging story about one of its advertisers. Fulford has since written 15 books in Japanese. His most recent is a scathing dissection of the 9-11 Hoax.

http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

nailingit — March 20, 2012 at 9:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*****I am no lawyer, though, so the stuff on the White House website need to be interpreted for me.*****

Manthou...dictionary.law.com might help you on that for in the future. US Courts has a good glossary as well. Reading the Executive Order on the White House Website can be complex. What is really sad is a law can be written any way but it's the Judge who makes the decision on how that law is interpreted. (I have worked with judges who have told me that.) And with the Executive Orders, that is our President who makes the decision.

Hopefully it will never come to Order for National Defense Resources Preparedness, but after going through each section, if it does.......

mxfun118 — March 21, 2012 at 12:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**NOTES ON 'NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS'** (cont'd)

Sec. 104. Implementation.

> (a) The National Security Council and Homeland Security Council, in
> conjunction with the National Economic Council, shall serve as the integrated policymaking forum....
>
> (b) The Secretary of Homeland
> Security shall:
>
> (1) advise the President...
> .
> >
> > (2) provide for the central coordination of the plans and
> programs....
> >
> > (3) report to the President

the National Economic Council: (http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nec/)

"The National Economic Council (NEC) was established in 1993 to advise the President on U.S. and global economic policy. It resides within the Office of Policy Development and is part of the Executive Office of the President. By Executive Order, the NEC has four principal functions: to coordinate policy-making for domestic and international economic issues, to coordinate economic policy advice for the President, to ensure that policy decisions and programs are consistent with the President's economic goals, and to monitor implementation of the President's economic policy agenda."

soooo...from "National Defense Resources...." we go directly to **GLOBAL ECONOMIC POLICY**.

DeeLittle — March 21, 2012 at 1:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*...continued*

(c) The Defense Production Act Committee, described in section 701 of this order, shall:

> (1) in a manner consistent with
> section 2(b)of the Act, 50 U.S.C.
> App. 2062(b), advise the President
> through the Assistant to the President
> and National Security Advisor, the
> Assistant to the President for
> Homeland Security and
> Counterterrorism, and the Assistant to
> the President for Economic Policy on
> the effective use of the authorities
> under the Act; and
>
> (2) prepare and coordinate an annual
> report to the Congress pursuant to
> section 722(d) of the Act, 50 U.S.C.
> App. 2171(d).

*section 701 describes the Defense Production Act Committee as follows:*

Sec. 701. The Defense Production Act Committee. (a) The Defense Production Act Committee (Committee) shall be composed of the following members, in accordance with section 722(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2171(b):

> (1) The Secretary of State;
>
> (2) The Secretary of the Treasury;
>
> (3) The Secretary of Defense;
>
> (4) The Attorney General;
>
> (5) The Secretary of the Interior;
>
> (6) The Secretary of Agriculture;
>
> (7) The Secretary of Commerce;
>
> (8) The Secretary of Labor;
>
> (9) The Secretary of Health and
> Human Services;
>
> (10) The Secretary of Transportation;
>
> (11) The Secretary of Energy;
>
> (12) The Secretary of Homeland
> Security;
>
> (13) The Director of National
> Intelligence;
>
> (14) The Director of the Central
> Intelligence Agency;
>
> (15) The Chair of the Council of
> Economic Advisers;
>
> (16) The Administrator of the
> National Aeronautics and Space
> Administration; and
>
> (17) The Administrator of General
> Services.

*so now we have the entire government under the **DIRECT CONTROL OF THE PRESIDENT.***

DeeLittle — March 21, 2012 at 1:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**PLEASE, PLEASE PEOPLE.....**

**READ THE ORDER AND THINK FOR YOURSELVES. DO NOT RELY ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE *TELL YOU* IS IN IT. 'LEGALESE' IS ONE THING, BUT ANYONE CAN CONNECT THE DOTS.**

DeeLittle — March 21, 2012 at 1:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...last thoughts before bed....

1. 'useful idiots'...check out the definition @ wikipedia

2. 'the price of freedom is eternal vigilance

3. "Distrust and caution are the parents of security."
~~ Benjamin Franklin

DeeLittle — March 21, 2012 at 4:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


WOW !!! Just WOW !!! I have been saying for years that a social network could come back to bite you and now it has come to fruition.

I have been constantly telling my kids, grandkids,relatives and nieces and nephews that posting what might seem to you 'harmless fun' could hamper your search for a job.

Some of them have put things on the FB that would make a sailor blush!!

I do not believe that a potential employer should judge you by what you put on the net. Nor should they be asking for any password to your social network accounts. It should be based on qualifications and job history. But we know that isn't all together true. If a potential employer calls a previous employer the call goes like this. If they say you showed up and did your job, that could mean a variety of things. Mostly not good. If they say you were an exemplary employee then that will say you are employable. They are not allowed to say anything derogatory about you in any way. Ha!!!

We are now entering a very gray area as far as privacy laws are concerned. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You NEED a job but at what cost to your personal freedom. Some of the younger generation don't think twice about it. They are willing to give up their freedom. The 'cradle to grave' syndrome is pervasive in society today.

Personally, I say they are in for a bumpy ride to the grave. The government has got into too much of our lives and the children just don't get it. It takes them out of their new comfort zone that the government has provided them and they don't want to upset that apple cart.

JohnCasey — March 21, 2012 at 5:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit at 6:25 p.m.

Go reread your post at 5:50 p.m. It is conveniently positioned after my share of posts for which I have raised concerns and was taken as a personal hit. Now...on to the discussion. How 'bout it? Keep the digs out...the discussion is worthwhile. Little digs remaining??? No discussion. Get my drift???

Regarding your comment at 6:32 pm, you've got THAT right! Now combine it with the new verbiage on this Executive Order and it all ties in just too conveniently for our fearless leader's control of his own people as far as I'm concerned.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou and nailingit...regarding the "List," you've got to ask yourself this. Have you ever seen the politicians sleeping amongst the people in the shelters...*anywhere* at times of emergency evacuations???? I know I haven't. They might come in and discuss issues...but they aren't staying with the community members.

Regarding the elected officials...if they needed to evacuate from the US Capital or even the State Capital Offices anywhere in the US in a national emergency...do you see them leaving and joining their loved ones at their private residences???

It's no conspiracy and it's no movie shot. Now, if you could come up with some documented information as to the contrary, I'm all ears.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""The government has got into too much of our lives and the children just don't get it."""

And in some cases JohnCasey, neither do their parents.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


the government is moving into our lives at a pretty good clip as are retailers, and as children grow up with it, you're right johncasey, it will become the accepted norm. can you imagine a government agent pulling a grandmother out of a boarding line to submit to a strip search 50 years ago? I can't, but today.... it's OK. raise a ruckus, you're next. some kids today get to experience metal detectors at school, they've grown up with surveillance cameras hanging everywhere, what's next, surveillance drones? oh, yea, too late. the so-called Patriot Act (what a name) would have never made it anywhere 40 years ago. we've waived all constitutional rights for drunk drivers and suspected druggies. who's next? with the next generation of computers combined with face recognition software, hmmmmm. Samsung now makes TV's with built in cameras and microphones (no on/off switch & no indicator lites) along with face recognition software. you connect to the samsung cloud to access your apps. wait until the government or hackers can access that, or samsung sells your info to someone. BTW, samsung won't say if your connection is encrypted, so one must assume it's not. having personal info encrypted is generally a selling point, so it seems if your info was encrypted, they'd say so. This will make google providing your internet searches to others seem tame. think you can stay under the radar by avoiding facebook? now you better not do or say anything near your TV you don't want everyone to see.

mrd — March 21, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey- I was pretty taken back about the employer/FB request. Incredible. Imagine if every dumb thing we did as a kid were put on display for all time.

Quite a few people use the same passwords or similar to manage bank/personal accounts. Not smart but people do. Not only would a potential employer have access to FB password, but anyone in the job chain or other. It''s absurd and perhaps Big Brother should step in.

deelittlegoldenoldie- Of course we have evacuation contingencies. You blur the lines between responsible planning and eating fruitcake.

Get real.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Soon employers will want to review people's high school yearbooks for comments. Employers to include corporations are gaining too much power/influence over people. Other than employing for sensitive positions, it shouldn't be their right to dig through people's trash or require drug testing imo.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Underwear with super powers, nut jobs like this one...I'm starting to long for the "sensibilities" of Jeremiah Wright!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2emBx...

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Politicians - especially those in the party that's not occupying the White House - have long harped on high gas prices when expedient. Then-Sen. Barack Obama said in 2008, when he was running for president, that "here in Ohio, you're paying nearly $3.70 a gallon for gas, 2-1/2 times what it cost when George Bush took office."

But Obama, who has seen gas prices go up 73 percent since he took office, was singing a different tune last week in his weekly radio address: "The truth is: The price of gas depends on a lot of factors that are often beyond our control. Unrest in the Middle East can tighten global oil supply. Growing nations like China or India adding cars to the road increases demand. But one thing we should control is fraud and manipulation that can cause prices to spike even further."

The political party of the president doesn't seem to matter to the price at the pump either. Since 1976, the average monthly gas price, adjusted for inflation, during Democratic presidencies has been $2.25; under Republicans it's been $2.34. Obama had the steepest monthly average at $3.05 and Bill Clinton the cheapest at $1.68.

When Bush and running mate Dick Cheney campaigned in 2000, they argued that as oil executives they could get oil prices down, with Bush saying, "I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply."

Yet it was during the last few months of Bush's term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20120321/D9TKR60G0.html

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Employers have been looking deeper into our lives for many years with the use of background checks of variuos types, Credit/Criminal/MVR..... I use my facebook account to keep up on what my kids and friends are doing. If an employer finds anything I have posted offensive and therefore doen't want to hire me so beit... But if they say that is part of their hiring practices I guess it would weed out some would be suitors... Remember too GOOGLE has all our records of where we go on the internet too... In 2008 the speculators drove the price of oil up due to several factors, Storm damage to offshore drilling rigs, Damage from storms to refineries where production fell over 10% here in the US... And I don't think you could discount it being an election year for the Presidency either... Sound familiar this time around too.I would like to see the nuts and bolts of Newt's plan to get gasoline down to $2.50 a gallon...

vanwadreamer — March 21, 2012 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I would like to see the **nuts and bolts** of Newt's plan to get gasoline down to $2.50 a gallon...*

Too late! Believing a nut should cause you to bolt vanwa. I got some swampland in Flori...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3uVW-...

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


N @ 8:43 a.m.

You never cease to amaze me with the continued insults, nailingit. Shooting the messenger for bringing up the information I'd obtained regarding the Executive Order...and I had serious questions and concerns...and you have the audacity to compare what I have shared...AND MY OPINION...regarding the order and what plans are already in place...the same plans (the list, mind you) with which you tried to compare to a Science Fiction Thriller...AND THE FACT that this new EO gives more power to our government leaders to further control us...

...and all you can come up with is that I(we) blur the lines between responsible planning and eating fruitcake???

Buddy, your comment was uncalled for. It is obvious you show a direct prejudice to the two women who have concerns...two women who took the time out of their lives to ask others...to discuss with others their thoughts. I believe you have forgotten what the forum is for and have abused your rights. Consider yourself in the Gray Zone.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, I'm curious...

It would be interesting to know just what their retirement stocks focus on. Betcha their stocks have a lot to do with it.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW Hawkeye, did you see any snow up your way this morning? We had one small snow shower before sunrise then it turned to drizzle. No accumulations. It'll be interesting as to what we might get tonight...another chance of slushy stuff.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Come on now..Your sounding more like LEFTY LOOSIE than Tighy Righty...
Have you or anyone on here heard about something inside the new OHCP that calls for a 3.8% tax on the sale of your home starting in 2013. In addition do those who are on medicare or getting close to that age know what they will be paying for coverage in 2014???

vanwadreamer — March 21, 2012 at noon ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Please source this info.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*You blur the lines between responsible planning and eating fruitcake.*

@ 11:30...who would have thought? Again...*Saying you are being personally attacked doesn't make it so, no matter how much you repeat it...*

Opinion is one thing, slanting conversation to draw unwarranted sympathy is another.

Relax. Bake a loaf of bread, can some fruit, whatever floats your boat. But this personal victimization thing is silly and irrational.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 12:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**good news for We, the People....**

*In a statement, the Sacketts praised the court for "affirming that we have rights, and that the EPA is not a law unto itself."*

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46808695

DeeLittle — March 21, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
I had someone forward that tax issue so I checked it out and here are the answers...

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/a-38-percent-sales-tax-on-your-home/

vanwadreamer — March 21, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's almost hard to believe a bust of Rush Limbaugh will be displayed in Mizzou's capital! These lawmakers are pathetic!

It puts the false equivalency the right has made with Bill Maher to rest. Last time I checked Democratic lawmakers aren't concerned with Bill's bust! But I'm sure Faux news will keep beating the drums.

**Rush Limbaugh Bust Protest: Women's Group Sends Toilet Paper To GOP House Speaker**

The National Organization for Women (NOW) is using a new weapon in the fight against a bust of Rush Limbaugh slated for display in the Missouri capitol: toilet paper.

According to the Associated Press, the Missouri chapter of the women's group sent hundreds of rolls of toilet paper on Monday to Steven Tilley, the Republican state House Speaker, encouraging him to "flush Rush." On March 5, Tilley made the decision to induct Limbaugh in the Hall of Famous Missourians, which features busts of prominent Missourians in the statehouse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/limbaugh-bust-toilet-paper_n_1370030.html?ref=topbar

Thanks vanwa. It makes it easier to fact check. I'm not doubting the info...if it's the case inflation's a bummer.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sounds good vanwa. Thanks for bringing clarity. Here's an excerpt for anyone who wants...

So there you have it. The sort of people who would have to pay the tax might include, for example:

A single executive making $210,000 a year who sells his $300,000 ski condo for a $50,000 profit. His tax on the sale of that vacation home would amount to $1,900, in addition to the capital gains tax he would have paid anyway.

An "empty nester" couple with combined income of over $250,000 a year who sell their $1 million primary residence to move to smaller quarters. If they cleared $600,000 on the sale, they would be taxed on $100,000 of the profit (the amount over the half-million-dollar exclusion). Their health care tax on the sale would amount to $3,800 over and above the usual capital gains levy.

**However, a typical home sale would not incur any tax.** In March, for example, half of all existing homes sold for $170,700 or less, according to the National Association of Realtors. Obviously, none of those sales could possibly generate a $250,000 profit, and so none would be subject to the tax.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Premium Nonsense On Medicare
Posted on April 1, 2011

Q: Will the new health care law raise Medicare’s basic monthly premium to $247 in 2014, as a viral message claims?

A: No, Medicare officials project the basic premium will be less than half that. But the law will eventually cause 14 percent of seniors with incomes over $85,000 a year ($170,000 for couples) to pay higher "income-related" premiums, up from 5 percent currently.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/premium-nonsense-on-medicare/

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It would be interesting to know just what their retirement stocks focus on. Betcha their stocks have a lot to do with it.

goldenoldie — March 21, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.

HUH? Who's stocks. I don't follow.

No, no snow in la casa today. Some (read lots) of rain today.

You must forgive me this week, my Father in law that was living with us passed last Friday and life has taken a 180.

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- So sorry to hear about your loss. I hope you and yours take care and manage well. Best of thoughts bro.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 1:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


US Department Health & Human Services

Medicare Part B premiums for 2012 lower than projected
Affordable Care Act helps keep Medicare affordable

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pres/10/20111027a.html

“The Affordable Care Act is helping to keep Medicare strong and affordable,” said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “People with Medicare are seeing higher quality benefits, better health care choices, and lower costs. Health reform is also strengthening the Medicare Hospital Insurance Trust Fund and cracking down on Medicare fraud.”

Medicare Part B covers physicians’ services, outpatient hospital services, certain home health services, durable medical equipment, and other items. In 2012, the “standard” Medicare Part B premium will be $99.90. This is a $15.50 decrease over the standard 2011 premium of $115.40 paid by new enrollees and higher income Medicare beneficiaries and by Medicaid on behalf of low-income enrollees.
The majority of people with Medicare have paid $96.40 per month for Part B since 2008, due to a law that freezes Part B premiums in years where beneficiaries do not receive cost-of-living (COLA) increases in their Social Security checks. In 2012, these people with Medicare will pay the standard Part B premium of $99.90, amounting to a monthly change of $3.50 for most people with Medicare. This increase will be offset for almost all seniors and people with disabilities by the additional income they will receive thanks to the Social Security cost-of-living adjustment (COLA). For example, the average COLA for retired workers will be about $43 a month, which is substantially greater than the $3.50 premium increase for affected beneficiaries. Additionally, the Medicare Part B deductible will be $140, a decrease of $22 from 2011.

langenthal — March 21, 2012 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Having trouble posting today...anyone having trouble?

ELISI — March 21, 2012 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — March 21, 2012 at 2:01 p.m

What's your point?

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 2:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OMG :) You guys should watch MSNBC Hardball today. It's on again at 4:00 and a few more times tonight. At the 20 min. mark, Chris interviews Washington State Rep Republican Cathy McMorris Rodgers.

So this is what our Dems in the Capital have to contend with. WOW!

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 2:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- I believe langenthal was addressing vanwa's noon post.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Something to keep in mind about Cathy McMorris Rodgers. She represents the cream of the Republican women crop. She's the highest ranking female Republican in the House.

I don't know why she did this interview. The topic concerned Republican legislators enacting laws prohibiting women's choice. More women should run and get into office. Just like guys, women are every bit as smart and provide a nuance that guys can't. In a perfect world a 50/50 balance would be appropriate.

It's obvious from seeing McMorris Rodgers perform, the female political gene pool needs a blood transfusion*.

*On a side note I had a JW at my door today.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I should have included that I was replying to Nailingit 1:16.

I was updating some of the Part B info in the 4/11 FactCheck.org with 10/11 HHS info that shows the Part B Premiums are LOWER than projected. That doesn't change any of the other info in the FactCheck.org piece.

I pay $99.90 so I recognized that it was LOWER than projection.

langenthal — March 21, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


* Nailingit,

Did you send them to my house 'cause they was just here!

STOP THAT, it's not funny, no more.

BTW, it's free pie day at Shari's

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Free pie at Shari's? Free anything nowadays is worth a go! My bride's folks have moved on as well as my father. I know it's not easy to lose faces and hearts we've known so long.

*STOP THAT, it's not funny, no more.* ???

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Read the line above that one.

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks nail. It just means I'm the oldest in both of our families now. Of course nobody respects that any longer, times have changed.

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nail - should have told the JW that you are already Awake...

soapbox4u — March 21, 2012 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


John Casey, nail, the fb issue is pretty much a mute subject. Go to fb and see how many John Casey's are listed - hundreds, some with pictures, some with a generic pic. Point is, so many fb pages, who's to say if you really have none, one or two or three for anyone to look at. The old saying: junk in, junk out.

soapbox4u — March 21, 2012 at 4:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- I'm a little slow today. Maybe slower than most as I'm trying to beat a flu-bug down. Nothing to compare, but our household has been in emotional turmoil this week also. My best friend and mega loved four legged feline family member became extremely sick a few days ago. We got some great news today and it looks like the big guy is fixable! Again, not comparing as there is none. I must be getting old as I've been a mess over it.

soap- She started telling me about a world-wide celebration. I had to intervene and ask her what faith she represented. I just thought of something. Why is it Mormon missionaries are always the young guys, and not young mormon women when on bikes and feet, while JW's usually are 50+ yr old women?

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nail, it's because after the boys get out of high school they have to do their one year missionary gig. I don't know why the JWs use the ol' ladys. Those are the ones I always get too. They always pull up in my driveway and they are the only ones that ever actually ring my doorbell (except for UPS).

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I get your point soap. Another angle could involve a competitor setting up a faux FB page in the name with the face they're competing with to gain unfair advantage. A lot of angles. It's the ability to pry. Pry open one's life in order to flip a burger, turn a wrench or teach a subject.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- Girls also go on missions to include overseas at the same age. I'd be much much more open to a 20 year old woman at my door than....

Maybe that's why!

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 4:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- re McMorris Rodgers

Looks like she is from the Michele Bachmann school of obfuscation. She just merrily kept on with her talking points. Love it that Mathews gave her plenty of time to make a fool of herself. What a piece of work.

Isn't she a mentor to JHB?

langenthal — March 21, 2012 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- Yes. Hopefully JHB isn't taking any cues. How Rodgers keeps getting elected...

And the subject matter! If Chris would have went there, I bet she would have defended Limbaugh arguing Dems do the same thing. blah.. blah... and some more blah! Amazing.

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 4:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I didn't see crazy's post before posting! Now that's funny!

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit at 4:43: Some Lake Oswego high school kids did just that: set up a fake Twitter account and then posted racist tweets against a Lakeridge High African American football player.

Online social networking is creating a world of narcissists and worse.

manthou — March 21, 2012 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Some things in life a person can see a fix to. These privacy issues seem to only get worse with time and with no end in sight. Employers now jumping into this mess muddies it up that much more.

Pretty soon Basement offerings will be placed at the alter! Drug tests and now this!! AHH!

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 5:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Evidently I have a lot of company when criticizing "conservative" fiscal policy...

This is a monetary concern "Dave" refused to address. Always shouting with a loud voice denouncing any type of tax hike to benefit education, social services and infrastructure investment, to the point of repealing candy tax for Christ's sake, while insisting the uber wealthy receive continued and increased tax breaks and incentives from local communities while offering few jobs. Some of them are like locusts.

We should let this wolf in sheep's clothing get a political foot in Vancouver's door? I don't think so.

**GOP Budget Proposal: Faith Leaders Say It Is 'Immoral' And 'Irresponsible'**

By Annalisa Musarra
Religion News Service

(RNS) Faith leaders and poverty experts Wednesday (March 21) called the new House GOP budget proposal "immoral" and "irresponsible."

The budget released the previous day by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., included deep cuts to programs that would unfairly burden the poor, middle-income families and senior citizens, said the Rev. Thomas Kelly, who participated in a phone conference with the media.

"Using the deficit as an excuse to pursue a radical agenda that punishes the poor is simply dishonest and immoral," said Kelly, a Catholic priest and Ryan's constituent, on the call hosted by the Center for American Progress.

The Republican blueprint calls for cuts to Medicaid and other programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program -- also known as SNAP, or food stamps -- and would turn them into block grant programs, putting states in charge of tailoring them to local needs.

Read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/gop-budget-proposal-faith-leaders_n_1371336.html?ref=religion

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Senator: Ban bosses from asking for Facebook passwords

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74325.html#ixzz1poVVWRAA

nailingit — March 21, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I've got about 3/4 of an inch at 11:15 and 34 degrees.

hawkeye — March 21, 2012 at 11:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


To those who were willing to look up John Casey I'm afraid that it would be a waste of time. My birth name is that, but I was adopted by a mean, petty, small, abusive man. He changed it. I used to use that name here but that didn't work out so well.

My FB page is for relatives only and even then a select few. If I was EVER asked to provide a password for anything on the net the answer would be no. Fortunately I'm a little too old to do job interviews so the issue probably won't come up.

I'm the second from being the oldest in our family. Kind of a weird feeling. There are 45 immediate family members behind me in age. I've never thought about it till just now.

JohnCasey — March 22, 2012 at 5:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I see where we are not going to continue to seek return of lost soldiers from North Korea. How very sad. It seems that the new pres is just like the pres of North Korea.

JohnCasey — March 22, 2012 at 6:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


To those of you who still use your damn cell phones for talking and texting, quit endangering the rest of us who share the road with you. You are not more important that us. That call or text is not a matter of life or death. Instead it could be the direct cause of accident or death to the rest of us. You are still an idiot.

The new technology should be used to turn off cell phones when the driver uses any numbers other than 911. Problem solved.

JohnCasey — March 22, 2012 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mornin' John,

About texting, I have trouble doing it when I'm sitting in my livingroom let alone in the car so, no, I don't do it. As far as calls in the car, my new car has that speaker thingy so when someone calls all you have to do is tell it to answer and talk. You can keep your eyes on the road. It's no different than talking to someone in the car.

I used to be the second oldest, my older brother died five years ago from leukemia. It's weird being the oldest, he was always there, now not so much.

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 6:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning, Hawkeye. I just read about the loss of your father in law. My thoughts and prayers pour out to you and your loved ones. Your father in law is at peace.

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The snow began in earnest about 9:30 last night. We've got a good coating of about 2 1/2" on the ground north of Orchards. Still slushy on our street but with the morning light...I wouldn't doubt if it's icy dicey.

Take care on the streets and sidewalks this morning, folks.

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 6:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks GO, I appreciate the thoughts.

I've been out already this morning, too the Wife to work in Hazel Dell. I didn't have any trouble except for the spray on the freeway from the trucks.

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


should be "took the Wife"

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 7:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, Sad to hear about your father in law Hawkeye, my thoughts are for your family today.

JohnCasey, I never answer or text while driving, no phone call or text is that important that it can't wait until I am parked. The phone is there for my convenience and emergencies not for everyone and their brother to call me.

Golden, we have about 2 to 2 1/2 inches here..32 degrees and the sky looks like it could snow again at any moment.

ELISI — March 22, 2012 at 7:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Huh, channel 12 just went off the air

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mornin' to you also, Hawk. My condolences to you and your family for your loss. I find the pain really doesn't go away so much as we find a way to deal with it in our daily lives. Every person handles it differently. I hope that you have a good support of family and friends to help you cope with your loss. I speak from personal experience as I have lost a daughter. You know the old adage you are not supposed to out-live your kids? It's true.

I just can't seem to let go of my anger at these idiots who for what ever excuse (It is not a reason) to continue to drive and either talk or text while having the cell in their hand. I applaud you for having a hands free device.

I still have to dodge them while I'm doing the I-5 slog. As it's getting lighter I'm able to see more of them. I use SR-500 in the mornings and the speed through the construction zone is 45 MPH. EVERY day Idiots pass me while holding their phones up to their ear or looking down to text or read text. They get mad if you are doing the speed limit or, in the case of bad weather, a little slower. With the narrower lanes bad road surfaces and the Jersey barriers it demand your full concentration.

And a special shout-out to those of you who think that by riding my butt that I will move faster. First of all, you are a SPECIAL kind of an idiot. If I have to make a emergency stop and you hit me, I will own you. Think about it. This weather is awful but your day will be much worse. Believe me.

I have seen two county mounties going through there well over the speed limit. No lights or sirens. Just plain stupid speeding. It is their responsibility to set a good example for the rest of us. I hope that someone with the sheriffs office sees this comment and tell them to drive right.

Hey that damn CAPTCHA just used pictures of signs!! And I can't read the last letter or number. Oh well!!

JohnCasey — March 22, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Hwy 26 corridor has had problems with outages all morning...including KPTV. Earlier, we had problems with KATU. They're all reporting issues with power...including some here with Clark PUD...I think they said 200 lost their power in Clark County.

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JohnCasey, well said about the pain we suffer when we lose a loved one. We all have our good days and our not so good days.

Regarding Cell Phones...I use my husband's in our car...as a passenger. I agree with you that people who drive with their phone to their ear or in their hand while using speaker phone can be as dangerous as a duii driver or someone suffering the ills of a medical condition. But then again...a heavy chain smoker going through a bout of cougher's hack is just as bad, too.

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*To those of you who still use your damn cell phones for talking and texting, quit endangering the rest of us who share the road with you.*

amen

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


CrayZYtRAiN @ 10:31- For your personal edification and use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hUL...

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Blaze, Site Founded By Glenn Beck, Insinuates That Slain Teen Trayvon Martin Was Troublemaker

An ugly story may be getting uglier.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/the-blaze-site-founded-by_n_1370843.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Harry Reid: GOP Speeding Toward Transportation Bill Wreck

WASHINGTON -- Republicans torn by Tea Party divisions in the H**ouse will pay a political price for threatening to stall the $109 billion job-creating transportation bill, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) warned Thursday.

The Senate passed the bill last week with 74 votes, including 22 Republicans. Rather than take up the Senate's version and try to pass it before the previous transportation legislation expires on March 31, House leaders have decided to abandon the effort in favor of a temporary three-month extension.

"They are so disorganized, such a state of disrepair, the House of Representatives, that they can't even extend the highway bill. I don't know what's in their mind," Reid said in opening the Senate's business on Thursday.

"The interstate highway system was the brainchild of Dwight Eisenhower, and now the Republicans in the House are talking as if it is some socialistic program," Reid complained.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/harry-reid-transportation-bill-tea-party-house_n_1372531.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Next they will be suing the country, then the world...anyone that will hear of their frustration with having a black family in the White House, to include a black man as President of the United States.

Birthers Sue California Over Candidate Eligibility

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- People who believe President Barack Obama was born in Africa have filed a lawsuit demanding California's secretary of state verify the eligibility of presidential candidates before allowing them on the November ballot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/birther-lawsuit-obama-candidate-eligibility-california_n_1372614.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nail, I'm surprised that McKenna hasn't done the same thing.

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Article on "The Blaze" pointed out by Huff Post article on insinuations made by "The Blaze" of slain teen:

http://tinyurl.com/7b4af9z

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 10:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John,

Now add the speed at which they drive in california and see how many more accidents and road rage you'll see with drivers talking and texting and not paying attention. The fines should be like driving without insurance $575 for the infraction because it's so dangerous... People would think twice...

vanwadreamer — March 22, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks for the link, GO. For me, this is not racism. I think we are dealing with a wanna-be cop who feels like a big man when he straps on that gun. Small brain, big gun, bigger ego and lots of insecurity bolstered by gun. Now a 17 year old kid is dead.

Awful awful story.

luvithere — March 22, 2012 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What? Did I stop the conversations?

luvithere — March 22, 2012 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not at all, luvithere. In my case, I just got home after running some errands. Looks like Clark County got the brunt of the snow. We went to Portland and everything near the airport was green. No signs of snow except for what was flying off of cars.

You're welcome on the link I provided. I just wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page when commenting about the young teen who lost his life for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Like you say...a trigger-happy vigilante. With the constant reports of break-ins, robberies, assaults, thefts...everything lately in the news...

I think the man who shot the teen is just the enlightening of a major trend happening across the US...and the rest of the world. People are edgy, unnerved...upset about the economic situation...and they're taking that chance to protect, even when the protection by gun isn't necessary. I guess only time will tell as the investigation comes to a close.

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And of course, I came to the conclusion...of calling him a trigger-happy vigilante out of your post by your comment that he was a wanna-be cop who strapped on the gun and now a 17 year old is dead. To me, the two descriptions of the shooter are one in the same.

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


let's see, Madore donates to the local GOP for the Nov elections. Three months ago, the local GOP sanctions Boldt. A week or so ago, Madore announces he's running for Boldt's seat. What a coincidence.

I hope Madore can toe the party line and not be found astray by the local GOP. Probably wouldn't hurt him much, I doubt he needs their money. More like the other way around.

mrd — March 22, 2012 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey mrd, you don't like who is running.. you could always run against Boldt and Madore..

ELISI — March 22, 2012 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Now this is just funny, I don't care who you are.***

Rick Santorum suggested Thursday that re-electing President Barack Obama would be better than electing Republican rival Mitt Romney, a statement that is arguably his toughest criticism of Romney to date.

"You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there," Santorum told supporters in San Antonio. "If you're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future."

Santorum was referring to Romney, whose campaign strategist said recently that they would be able to "reset" the campaign when they transition to the general election "like an Etch A Sketch."

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hello fellow...fellows.

snow: was driving last night, when it started to snow. watched it turn from rain to slush to actual snow at 55 mph. AMAZING. i love nature; it never ceases to take me away with it. realized the slush was totally snow when it got so *quiet*. watching snow fall directly down while standing to a street light is awesome.

cell phones: can't agree enough on this one. *in one block* i counted four idiots (driving, of course) on cell phones.

HAWK: very sorry to hear about your father-in-law. mourning is a personal thing, and my wish for you is that comfort lies just beyond.

JOHN: i've lost two children. there are more of my family 'over there' than over here. it's a special kind of pain, and i wish it on nobody.

DeeLittle — March 22, 2012 at 4:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee and everyone else, thanks for the good thoughts. We are doing......OK. "Fine" will come later.

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Not A Day Goes By That President Obama Isn't Racially Attacked (so says N) "It Don't Matter None, Ain't Many Negroes Livin' In These Parts" (so says too damn many people)**

Offensive Obama Cartoon Leads North Carolina Blogger To Resign
Tara Servatius, a blogger for the John Locke Foundation, a "free-market think tank" in Raleigh, N.C., resigned on Thursday after posting an offensive cartoon of President Obama on the foundation's blog earlier in the week.

According to the Charlotte Observer, the cartoon showed a chained Obama wearing high heels and standing over a bucket from Kentucky Fried Chicken, combining a series of sexually and racially charged images into one drawing. It accompanied a blog post from Monday in which Servatius argued that Obama's opposition to a ban on gay marriage in North Carolina was a calculated move to increase the vote among young Obama-supporting professionals in the state.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/obama-offensive-cartoon_n_1373697.html?ref=politics

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Rick Santorum suggested Thursday that re-electing President Barack Obama would be better than electing Republican rival Mitt Romney,*

hawk @ 4:05- No doubt this is the first time I have agreed with Santorum.

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.

Do you really need to post a link to every anti republican article on huffingtonpost.com? None of the more conservative elements on here feel the need to post a link to every anti democrat article on conservative blogs.

frobert — March 22, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**fro**

that's how his mind forms opinions...by uploading them from "anti-everything-but-OUR-side" websites.

for the rest of us, it's called 'koolaid drinking'.

DeeLittle — March 22, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*None of the more conservative elements on here feel the need to post a link to every anti democrat article on conservative blogs.*

Glad to be different! It's nice to have some foothold(link) in reality fro. Without links you conservatives run off the rails too easy.

And look at some of the Wacky RW links that are posted! Each to their own.

Nice of you to drop by, if only to add ....criticsm.

Huff Post...Politico...WSJ....it makes no diff to you.

---

CraZy- I've created a Frankenstein! Abbynormal!

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...and so we try and get personal. :( In a adversarial avatarial way!!! !!! :)

!!! :)))

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 5:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Former Priest Admits Charges

PHILADELPHIA—A defrocked Roman Catholic priest pleaded guilty Thursday to charges that he sexually abused a Philadelphia boy in the 1990s, just days before a landmark priest-abuse trial is set to start here.

Edward Avery was sentenced to up to five years in prison after his guilty plea to charges of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and conspiracy to endanger the welfare of a child, according to the Philadelphia District Attorney's office.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304724404577297772885786812.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5

Two Catholic clergymen are scheduled to go on trial Monday, including Monsignor William Lynn, a former ...

**This better???**

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, Fro & Dee, nail doesn't have to dis your little group, they are doing it ALL by themselves.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/ma...

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Waiting for Stephanie Rice to update with all the names of those involved.

It's like a local level Grover Norquist & his pledge that JHB signed before she knew what proposals would be presented.

This says it all:

Denise Lukins · Top Commenter · Camas, Washington
I find it amazing that his party wanted a commitment on the admissions tax BEFORE a public hearing. My goodness, why bother to have public hearings at all if you must follow the party line regardless of the hearing testimony?

langenthal — March 22, 2012 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk-LOL! The flavor of the day is Lemming Lemonade! These folks can't see past their bigoted tow-the-party-line noses LOL.

Me thinks Dave's path to grab the key to the city is laden with dirty, ugly, cheesy, underhanded stab-you-where-it-hurts politics.

Nobody fights dirtier than a conservative. And when it comes to eating their own?

Just look at the Four Tops---Willard Newt Ron & Rick (with a silent P)

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 6:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dee & fro- Timely comments!

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk....

and my 'little group' is what, specifically?

DeeLittle — March 22, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The sanctions included getting removed from the Clark County GOP’s website and not being able to use the party’s resources, such as financial support and mailing lists, said Brandon Vick, chairman of the Clark County GOP.

Vick said the decision to sanction Boldt has nothing to do with the fact that Madore donated $4,990 to the Clark County GOP on Nov. 2, according to the state public disclosure commission. The donation was made approximately three weeks before Boldt met with party officials.

Let's see. 1 &1 is 2. 2 & 2 is 4. 4 &

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh Dee, did you forget already? And before you try to deny it, if it walks like a duck..... it could be a Republican't.

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk:

if ***MATT WOULD ANSWER MY QUESTION SO I COULD POST ON FB AGAIN,*** you would have read that i think the r's are no better than the d's. we elect our representatives to do EXACTLY THAT: represent US, NOT be part of some slimy political machine.

i don't care if it starts with a d or an r or any other letter of the alphabet.

DeeLittle — March 22, 2012 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

-Confucius

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee,

Are you trying to tell me that ***WE*** are not good enough for you to relay your feelings to? Or was that it?

hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great Quotes:

Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.

-Richard Armour

..

George Washington is the only president who didn't blame the previous administration for his troubles.

-Author Unknown

..

Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.

-Plato

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A funny quote by Ronald Reagan:

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it...and if it stops moving, subsidize it.

(Now if this isn't the mindset of today's political climate....then what is?)

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 7:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, I so wish you'd think about staying around the forum even after you regain the use of the FB side. Don't let a couple of old curmudgeons steer you clear of here. Your thoughts and opinion are needed in the dungeon...er, I mean...the forum. It has become quite lopsided these days.

goldenoldie — March 22, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**

the fb posting has become a...cause. i'm allowed, then banned. allowed again, then banned again.

THIS time, i want a *final* decision. up or down. for us programmers, 1 or 0.

if it's done publicly, it's more trustworthy: no take-backsies. there's no point in repeatedly providing requested data, just to have somebody reconsider, ban me w/o notification and demand yet *another* bar to reach when i ask what's going on.

i remember the reagan quote...loved it. lots of quotes out there that are great.

don't have any plans to leave. wish kn_ would be of the same mindset.

DeeLittle — March 22, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


These guys will crap on anybody...they just don't care...

**Pro-Jesus Jews paid Rick Santorum**

The alliance supports Messianic Judaism, which embraces Jewish heritage and customs but holds the fundamental Christian belief that Jesus is the son of God. Its beliefs are similar to those of the group Jews for Jesus, which has drawn particular ire from Jewish leaders for its proselytizing efforts.

David Shor, spokesman for a group of Orthodox Jewish Santorum supporters called Jews Pick Rick, said Messianic Jews in general “are trying to spiritually corrupt our community,” but he added that Santorum’s speech “does not trouble me. It has nothing to do with the campaign.”

The Messianic Jewish Alliance of America, which is based in Central Pennsylvania, initially tried to land Sarah Palin and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, both of whom are devout Christians who are strongly supportive of Israel, as speakers at its 2010 conference, according to Chernoff.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74371.html#ixzz1pu6sSQAq

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye - Sorry to read the news. Be there for your wife.

roger — March 22, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee Little,

They apparently think you're someone else. I've seen a couple of your comments and they're quite tame.

roger — March 22, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting article in The Columbian. There are 33 WA State Senators drawing per diem during the current special session. Problem is, there is only a small group working on the budget (Zarelli is one). Pridemore said he wasn't part of the group, so he declined the per diem and decided to go campaign for auditor. Benton is sitting around, drawing max amount, attending caucus briefings (whatever those might be - the election is months away) and meeting with lobbyists.

These people all need to go away.

roger — March 22, 2012 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — Do you really need to post a link to every anti republican article on huffingtonpost.com? None of the more conservative elements on here feel the need to post a link to every anti democrat article on conservative blogs. -- frobert

frobert - This page nearly died after you, Sir Basil, and a couple of others took a hiatus. Nailingit might post some crazy stuff (we all do occasionally), but the conversations this generated could quite possibly have kept this area alive.

On the other hand, a lot of it drives me crazy too!! But I'd rather argue about local issues like the CRC. There are only so many ways to state the obvious about the Repub Clown show before it gets boring.

There's a real far out there religious guy arguing the evils of homosexuality in an LTE - entertaining reading there too.

Hmmm... I must be saying something wrong - CAPTCHA won't give me something I can understand. Must keep trying....

roger — March 22, 2012 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**ROGER**

after this boldt thing, i think benton and his crew may feel more at home in chicago.

DeeLittle — March 22, 2012 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey guys, it's hard to find any pro-republican article to post! Unless you think Obama's a Kenyan born commie sympathizing anti-American baby killing tax raising apologist who's one and only goal is to bring about the destruction of America.

Just sayin'...

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal



roger- *There are only so many ways to state the obvious about the Repub Clown show before it gets boring.*

Don't sell these guys short! Check this out! :)

**Richard Hanna, GOP Congressman, Tells Women To Give Their Money To Democrats**

As the only Republican Congressman at a rally for the Equal Rights Amendment on Thursday, Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) gave women an unexpected piece of advice: Give your money to Democrats.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/richard-hanna-gop-congress_n_1373381.html?ref=politics

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VURr...

One of the funniest bits ever...[:))

nailingit — March 22, 2012 at 10:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't sell these guys short! Check this out!--- nailingit,

Thanks for reminding me --- I just saw Santorum's etch-a-sketch speech where he says you might as well vote for Obama as Romney.

Stuff like this is helping me make my mind up - a "wasted" vote for Ron Paul may be the most satisfying choice of all. The guy may have some nutty ideas, but.... I guess the lies and other BS, at all levels of gov't, are starting to outweigh rationality.

roger — March 23, 2012 at 5:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


There's a common theme going through discussions on the facebook side - Do we elect people to office to use their best judgment when voting/making other decisions? Or do we elect them to represent the "will of the people" from their district (or other electoral entity)?

Put another way, how do we define our representative form of gov't? For those who've read The Federalist, this seems to be something Hamilton and Madison didn't agree on -- and I don't think we're any closer today.

roger — March 23, 2012 at 5:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DL, I offer my condolences to you also. I think we all have suffered some kind of pain from a physical injury. But the pain we feel for the lose of loved ones is more. It's also much harder to recover. Most do, some do not. Enough said.

JohnCasey — March 23, 2012 at 6 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, I usually comment on the CRC quite regularly. The problem is The Columbian won't list the CRC project as a stand alone forum for the basement/dungeon crowd. They still lump it under general forums. I have asked them to list it like some other columns.

Right now, under the general forums, it's dropped down far enough to be off the screen. When people can't see it they have a tendency to ignore it. I am talking about the posters who don't use FB.

While most of the articles get a good amount of comments on the CRC project on the FB side, I think there a lot of us who want to comment without using FB. After one day the article is gone from the new day's news. You do have to hunt for it. But I think there are readers who want to continue the discussion.

I firmly believe that the CAPTCHA crowd are a bunch of sadists!!! LOL

JohnCasey — March 23, 2012 at 6:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John,

I don't know if there is an answer to how this side is set up that works for everyone. Most of the special forums tend to see decent activity for a few days, and then drop to 2 or 3 people using them - long before they move to pg 2 and drop from sight.

I think the bottom line is that most people would rather come here and have a free flow discussion.

The advantage to this side is that the discussions are usually much better and more informative. (Or entertaining.) The advantage to facebook is that more people read it; when there's an issue of local importance I go there to argue my point of view. This especially applies to the CRC.

roger — March 23, 2012 at 6:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This is a everything always forum anyway. Rap about BRT-CRC-RightLail(Japanese pronunciation)
in this room. Since the conversion to FB comments are down anyway...

just sayin'...

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 7:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Besides, it springboards my movement calling for increased jet pack studies/funding.

And the opportunities for a few of us who love to trash dave would increase.

A win win.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Highway Bill Gets Headache Awaiting House Republican Boehner**

Boehner, R-Ohio, blamed his difficulty in passing the bill on the House's ban on "earmarks" – provisions that used to be tucked into bills that direct spending to lawmakers' pet projects.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/highway-bill-house-gop-john-boehner_n_1374775.html?ref=politics

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What amuses me is the C's counter on the most commented stories in the past. It appears to not include rebuttals to original posts. The most commented story this week was in fact the sanctioning of Boldt. There were way more rebuttals. Mostly by a few continuous posters.

On another note, anyone who is over 65 should be retested for their Jet-Pack license.

JohnCasey — March 23, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey, maybe we need to continue our discussions of CRC here in the general forum since it is an issue keeping the specialized forums updated. I have no issues with discussing here in this forum. How 'bout it???

Regarding the FB side, I've noticed the number of comments recognized are usually far below the actual numbers of comments produced. Maybe that's because it's the number of original comments in a face-off between several in a discussion.

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just read where Bank of America is launching a "Mortgage to Lease" pilot program. BofA says they are working on their customer's needs, when actually the plan is part of a settlement with the feds for their past illegal foreclosures.

If a homeowner is deliquent, they can give up interest in their house, the debt is forgiven, and they can rent "their house" from the bank at current market rates for up to three years. Once the bank has re-poed the house, they sell the mortgage to investors. See how much the banks have learned? No wonder they pay their execs so much, look at the original, secure ideas they come up with! Or is it because they can BS the feds to go however the banks need them to go?

I could't find anything out about what happens when the lease is up, but I assume then the bank can sell the property, after all, it's legally their's. It seems this whole thing helps the banks and investors while milking their "customers" for three years worth of rent. They are, in effect, protecting their own a$$es by curtailing the flow of foreclosures, thereby protecting the value of their investments. Another sweet thing of this arrangement is it gives the property three years to appreciate so the bank can make more money on the sale. (If that doesn't happen, say property values continue to drop in a weak market, can you say "toxic asset"?) The ex-homeowner will still have trashed his credit, and will have nothing to show for three years of rent. They'd be better off to walk away rather then go this route.

I know I'm a cynic when it comes to this stuff, but jeez, it seems the banks have the feds right where they want them, and the consumers are getting screwed by both under the guise of being helped. Truth is big money controls everything.

Maybe there is something at the end of this road for the homeowner, but I couldn't find anything to indicate there was.

mrd — March 23, 2012 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — March 23, 2012 at 8:02 a.m.

If the Bush/Obama bailout had not happened the banks would have been forced by the need to stay solvent to work with homeowners. The value of homes would not have plummeted as fast and the rate of foreclosure would be much lower. Our elected "leaders" of both parties felt keeping Mr. Buffet and others rich at the expense of the average citizen was top priority.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 8:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


John- No limits on altitude! :)

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Quite a heartfelt take today from our President concerning the Trayvon Martin case. You haters say what you will about our Pres, he has raised the character bar for future Presidents.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.

Well, you are part right... He is a character.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Ever hear of the Agenda 21?"

Section II, Chapter 11 should read;
Plant Hemp.

;^)

Drift — March 23, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Drift (I'm still ashamedly procrastinating the prognosticatable)

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Can anyone please explain why the very same Dems who attacked Bush's economy in 2004 defends Obama’s worse record today?

Last Friday, the bureau of labor statistics reported that unemployment remained steady at 8.3% in Feb. That marks it at 37 months the rate has exceeded 8%, the longest streak in post WW11 era.
Compared to unemployment rate in 2004 it was 5.6%

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:39 a.m

"You haters say what you will about our Pres, he has raised the character bar for future Presidents."

The same President that has refused to seek congressional approval for war, the same President that feels executive decision about who lives or dies fulfills due process, the same President that promised to stop the persecution of medical marijuana and then stepped it up? Obviously your definition of character differs from mine.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


elisi- With all the info that's been discussed in this forum as well as the world...about said subject, most likely any info wouldn't matter.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*...your definition of character differs from mine.*

No doubt.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


More to ponder this morning...

Who Owns Petrodollars and Why They're getting rid of them.
How the End Petrodollars will affect U.S. Treasury Bonds
What Central Banks Are involved
The Ultimate Plot Behind The U.S. Dollar Dumping Scheme
Who Will Benefit From it
How Will It Affect Your Money

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELSI-
i don't think 8.3% is even close, not by a longshot, it's way higher. In this depression, even using that number, kinda like EPA gas mileage numbers just as a method of comparison, doesn't work. In this economy, with millions of older folks having lost jobs and unable to find work, they don't count. Early retirement, etc, they're leaving the workforce. The boomers are moving off into the sunset. A more telling number is the % of working age people that are working. That number is is the mid 60% as opposed to mid 80% ten years ago. Don't remember the exact #'s, it's been a while.

The % of males working in the age group, something like 21-35 years old is way down, again, I don't recall the exact nummbers, but I think it was 56%, whatever it was very low. So who's paying into SS & etc to finance all these boomers retiring? Very few. Batten down the hatches, it could get ugly as it did in Greece and Portugal when everyone's pensions, public & private, evaporate.

mrd — March 23, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Elaborate "Dave" who??

vanwadreamer — March 23, 2012 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, B of A is the WORST offender in this whole mess through their acquisition of Countrywide. Countrywide had the worst record of giving out loans for people that couldn't qualify for a 19 inch TV at Aarons. A friend of mine (years ago) told me that his Countrywide loan was so cool because he could pay whatever he wanted on it, be it just interest or interest plus a little principle or the full payment. He could even skip up to two payments a year without a penalty. Of course, he didn't know the penalties that would incur but you have to know they were substantial. No wonder we are in this mess. If this kind of thing was standard in the industry and then everybody called in their loans when things got tough, it's a surprise anybody owns a home. It doesn't surprise me in the least that they have come up with yet another creative way to steal your home from you. Of course, reworking the loan and actually making an effort to keep you in your home wouldn't occur to them.

hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa-madore

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, I couldn't agree more!!

The true numbers on unemployment we will never know.

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
Thanks..I thought that was who you were speaking of.. He certainly is a Polarizing figure in our county...

vanwadreamer — March 23, 2012 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- He's a lightning rod alright. I have a feeling he likes that.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Some things in life just aren't fair...

**Megan Piper, Porn Star, Can't Attend Prom With Mike Stone, School Says**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/megan-piper-porn-star-cant-attend-prom-mike-stone-school-says_n_1371140.html?ref=mostpopular

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency.

-Pope John Paul II

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — March 22, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.

How many years have I been posting here? You still haven't figured out that I am NOT a republican.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Peace begins with a smile.

-Mother Teresa

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives.

-Dalai Lama

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If patience is worth anything, it must endure to the end of time. And a living faith will last in the midst of the blackest storm.

-Mahatma Gandhi

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.

-Buddha

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I had plenty of pimples as a kid. One day I fell asleep in the library. When I woke up, a blind man was reading my face.*

~Rodney Dangerfield~

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Bernanke: Economy Lacks Strength to Sustain Gains**

There is still not enough spending and investment to sustain the economic recovery, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday.

Bernanke said consumer demand remains weak relative to its level before the Great Recession. He noted that other contributors to economic growth — including borrowing and trade — have declined.

"Consumer spending has not ... recovered. It's still quite weak relative to where it was before the crisis," Bernanke said in the second of four lectures he is giving to George Washington University students this month. "We lack a source of demand to keep the economy growing."

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Woman at Gun Range to Santorum: Pretend Target Is Obama**

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/03/23/woman-at-gun-range-tells-santorum-to-pretend-target-is-obama.html

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


One must ask...

Did Bernanke intentionally devalued the dollar?

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes elisi. He is part of a vast left wing conspiracy...

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**David Rosenberg: US Mired in 'Weakest Economic Recovery Ever'**

The current recovery is the weakest one ever and being driven by warm weather, not by fundamental improvements taking place in the economy, says Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg.

Deficit spending and loose monetary policies have further propped up the economy, which is much weaker than otherwise improving economic indicators would suggest.

"We've got four years of trillion-dollar-plus deficits, we have a Fed balance sheet that's tripled in size, zero policy rates for three years. Of course you're going to get some growth."

It's that kind of artificial growth that should worry the country.

"If you want to take a big-picture perspective, this goes down as the weakest economic recovery ever, despite all the ramp up in government stimulus, and that really tells you something."

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — March 23, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.

Yes, but the way you defend them (or rail against the Dems) sure makes you look like one.

hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI, what does he expect, nobody has any jobs. Ya gotta have the bucks before you can spend them. People are being careful with what they have for fear of dropping back down the rabbit hole.

hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Naming Names – the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy**

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/naming-names-the-vast-left-wing-conspiracy/

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**HAWK**

re; frobert

is it possible, just *possible*, that it's because the dem's are doing more that's damaging the country than the r's right now?

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 2:24 p.m

I speak out against anyone that insists that only one side is to blame, but with the departure of bob and ray, nobody on here is blaming the democrats.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 2:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Consumer spending has not ... recovered. It's still quite weak relative to where it was before the crisis," Bernanke said in the second of four lectures he is giving to George Washington University students this month. "We lack a source of demand to keep the economy growing."

so true, elisi, and all the tax cuts & breaks in the world for corporations, businesses, and the wealthy won't increase demand in any meaningful way. Until the masses have jobs and a little security, don't look for much recovery, strike one.

Public hiring has led the economy out of virtually every recession. With governments still cutting jobs, there's strike two.

Significantly cutting tax dollars re-distributed is strike three. SS, unemployment checks, etc, are tax dollars that go right back into the economy. We're going to learn a very painful lesson if things continue as they seem to be headed, that is, cutting our economy off from these sources of income. Looks as if we're going to try and go cold turkey, look out!

mrd — March 23, 2012 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**ELISI**

interesting... bernanke says we're in trouble because we don't have 'a source of demand to keep the economy growing.'

we don't export anything anymore...exceptions being high tech KNOWLEDGE and oil. thank you GE for giving china our "protected" information. is that why you're now on the prez's personal go-to list?

the 2nd reason, we sort of share with china: no domestic demand. in china's case, they don't pay their workers enough to buy the goods they make, and their economy is in trouble because of it.

here, we don't have enough people who are willing to bet all they own and their future to start businesses that employ people.

and the reason for THAT can be placed directly on the doorstep of the feds. and that, dear reader, begins in the white house.

want to kill jobs? do things like demand a local grocer spend all his development money to 'restore' natural water runoff to levels that existed *before 'europeans' ever set foot on the land*.

way ta go, EPA. why doesn't great leader rein them back? kinda answers itself, doesn't it.

want to kill thousands of jobs? dither around making a decision about building a pipeline from canada to our refineries (AFTER canada re-routed it to avoid issues with aquifers) until canada gets so fed up it turns to russia for the deal.

want to waste what *could* have been payroll for hundreds? play slimy politics with a degenerate mayor of another city. agree to build a 'train to nowhere' and feed it to the stupid voters as 'replacement for the old bridge'. feed all the development money to cronies for 'consultation' and plan on awarding no-bid contracts to accommodating fellow travelers to build it.

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


want to kill jobs? do things like demand a local grocer spend all his development money to 'restore' natural water runoff to levels that existed before 'europeans' ever set foot on the land.

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 3:03 p.m

Dee that is just one example, I have a friend that wanted to open a restaurant in Hazel Dell, but because of the high cost of fees, she chose to go to Portland to open one there. Our loss of jobs here, their gain.

Oh has anyone heard that Wa state is upping the cost of our car license another $15.00? At least that's what I thought I heard on the radio this afternoon.

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If auto licensing fees are on the rise, I'd wonder what their excuse would be *this* time!

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Naming Names – The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy**(heavy man)...

Barbra Streisand? That is scary! :)

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Arizona Birth Control Bill: Democrat Responds To Republican Sponsor's 'Extremist Tactic'**

"We weren't even physically off of the podium, and she was pushing her way toward it," he said. "It was a breach of protocol and really demonstrated a lack of decorum. It's an extremist tactic for an extremist measure."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/arizona-birth-control-debbie-lesko-matt-heinz_n_1376004.html?ref=politics

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Reproductive Rights and the Long Hand of Slave Breeding**

If there is an upside to the right’s latest, seemingly loony and certainly grotesque multi-front assault on women, it is the clarion it sounds to humanists to take the high ground and ditch the anodyne talk of “a woman’s right to choose” for the weightier, fundamental assertion of “a woman’s right to be.”

http://www.thenation.com/article/166961/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary"*
-Ayn Rand, author of “Atlas Shrugged”

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lets look at the high rollers...

Financial contributors to Media Matters for America, from The Daily Caller:

Tides Foundation - $4.3 million
Bohemian Foundation - $2.3 million
Stephen M. Silberstein Foundation - $2.2 million
Dyson Foundation - $2.1 million
Gill Foundation - $1.1 million
George Soros’ Open Society Institutes - $1 million
Ford Foundation - $966,466
Schumann Fund - $600,000
Joyce Foundation - $400,000
Sandler Foundation - $400,000
Barbara Streisand Foundation - $85,000
Lear Family Foundation - $55,000
MoveOn.org - $50,000
Stride Rite Charitable Foundation - $25,000

The list of Media Matters’ foundation funders, 120 in all, reads like a Who’s Who of the American progressive movement, including the far-left Tides Foundation ($4,384,702), George Soros’ Open Society Institutes ($1,075,000), the Ford Foundation ($966,466), the Sandler Foundation ($400,000) — endowed by subprime mortgage lenders Herb and Marion Sandler, who once bankrolled the embattled ACORN organization — and the Schumann Fund for Media and Democracy ($600,000), managed by longtime PBS host Bill Moyers and his son.

They also include the anti-George W. Bush organization MoveOn.org ($50,000), the Barbra Streisand Foundation ($85,000), the kids’ shoes-powered Stride Rite Charitable Foundation ($25,000), the Lear Family Foundation ($55,000) – endowed by the TV producer and People for the American Way founder Norman Lear – and the Joyce Foundation ($400,000), whose board of directors included **Barack Obama** from 1994 to 2002.

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lets see if this link works..

(RELATED: See the list of Media Matters’ foundation donors)

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What's your point? We could talk Republican social engineering from the Koch's as well.....odd.

You've just reminded me of a contribution I'm due to make...:)

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Guess not since it is in pdf form. Oh well if one wants to read the full lists guess they will have to follow the link on the the first one I provided earlier above.

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.

What social engineering from the Koch's are you talking about, their opposition to the wars? their opposition to the war on drugs? support for gay marriage? Or perhaps forcing over 50,000 Americans to work union wage jobs?

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Buying higher institutions of learning to further their right wing extremest agenda for starters. fro fro fro....... Yes fro the koch's are progressive liberals......reality man...at least a little...

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.

"Buying higher institutions of learning to further their right wing extremest agenda for starters. fro fro fro......."

Are you referring to all those cancer hospitals they paid for on university campuses? Or maybe the remodel of the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

Reality man... they are Libertarian.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh I forgot to mention the $20 million they gave the ACLU to fight the Patriot Act. Wasn't it President Obama that asked for and received an extension on that?

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I forgot how much you shill for them! I'm not going to once again post the partisan giving of your freedom heroes fro. Please invoke basil. He's much much more patient than I.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8aUSp...

I couldn't resist.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You make vague claims, but do not want to discuss the facts? I guess I am not surprised.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal



**Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales**

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVA0yn...

Hope these few links lend others insight frobro.

I know it won't with you. You're gone. :(

How's Gen?

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I have read the Bloomberg piece, yes they legally sold products to Iran years ago, but why stop there, doesn't the same article also accuse the Koch brothers of being complicit in actions by the company when they were still in high school? It also points out every violation of G-P and Stainmaster, totally disregarding the fact that they all happened prior to being purchased by the Koch's. Come on you can do better than that, Can't you?

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gen is enjoying her role as a Ron Paul delegate from Clark county.

You need to come up with some facts and forget all of the liberal propaganda. I am sure there is some dirt on the Koch brothers but the stuff the libs come up with is pretty sad.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 6:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Liberal propaganda from Bloomberg, Washington Post, ABC news...like I said.

Where it comes from with you guys doesn't matter.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WOW just WOW!

**Specter: I May Vote for Romney**

Former Sen. Arlen Specter says that depending on which version of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney shows up for the general election, he just may vote for him, reports The Hill.

“I’m going to wait to see which Romney it is,” Specter said during an interview with The Hill, praising Romney for signing health care reforms into law during his time as governor of Massachusetts.

“The legislation to provide maximum healthcare coverage in America is a sound decision. I think Romney was right when he did that. I think that’s a right decision,” Specter said.

Specter made headlines in April 2009 after switching his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat which allowed President Barack Obama to pass both his healthcare and Wall Street reform bills.

Specter says that he is not sold on voting for Obama in November, specifically because of how the president has handled foreign- and economic-policy.

“I want to see what Obama does,” Specter said. “I was against his Afghanistan policy. I opposed sending 30,000 additional troops there. I think he made a terrible mistake in extending the tax cuts. He did that on his own. I opposed that strenuously. He did that while I was in the Senate in 2010. I think his economic policies have not been strong, so I want to wait and see what happens.”

Specter previously told the Philadelphia Inquirer editorial board earlier this year that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could plausibly replace Obama on the Democratic presidential ticket.

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”

― Stephen Hawking

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


David Koch Issues Letter in CATO Fight

The war of words surrounding the management of the Cato Institute erupted again on Thursday when billionaire businessman and Cato co-owner David Koch issued a nine-page statement blaming the think tank’s President Ed Crane for the standoff.

“We view Ed’s strategy as ‘Rule or Ruin,’ ” wrote Koch, who was also speaking on behalf of his brother, Charles. “He will either be allowed to rule Cato in the way he wants for as long as he wants, or he will try to ruin it.

“Some directors have even suggested that Cato ‘belongs’ to Ed. Having a board in thrall of the CEO has been the downfall of many nonprofits.”

The brothers have filed a lawsuit to resolve a dispute on the running of Cato, the Washington Post reports. In his statement, David Koch, a principal owner of Koch Industries, accused Cato Chairman Bob Levy and Crane of “unjustly challenging our intentions, and helping organize a public smear campaign.”

The Cato Institute is the nation’s leading libertarian think tank, founded in 1977, with a long history of championing individual liberty. Much of its success has been credited to Crane’s leadership of Cato over several decades.

Until last year, Cato had four equity partners: Charles Koch, David Koch, longtime President Crane, and Chairman Emeritus William Niskanen.

When Niskanen died this past October, the Koch brothers maintain that the shareholder agreement clearly indicates there should now be only three shareholders, Politico reported. But Crane maintains that Niskanen’s one-quarter stake should go to his widow.

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.

An ABC story referring to the Bloomberg article does not make ABC a source. Michael Bloomberg's bias is well known.

frobert — March 23, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

goldenoldie — March 23, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**NY Rep. Turner: Senate Will Never Work Until Harry Reid Is Out**

Stagnation in the Senate will never be fixed until Majority Leader Harry Reid is removed from office, prospective New York Upper House candidate Bob Turner says.

In his six months in Congress, Turner said his biggest frustration has been the Senate’s lack of action on bills sent up from the House of Representatives.

“They can’t act on anything, they haven’t done a budget in three years,” “It is just totally stagnant, and it can’t be fixed until Harry Reid is no longer the Majority Leader and setting the priorities of what has to happen there.”

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sen Ron Johnson: White House Economic Proposals Are “Jaw-Dropping” Ignorance

Sen. Ron Johnson, a successful businessman serving his first term in the Upper House, tells Newsmax that President Barack Obama’s “economic ignorance” is “jaw-dropping” — and charges that he wants to “punish success.”

When asked what would happen if President Obama is re-elected to another four-year term.

“It’s not pretty,” Johnson declares. “Financially it’s going to be a real disaster because it’s not only the fact that he’s not addressing our budget, but take a look at what his agencies are doing. Since 2008, 11,000 new rules and regulations have been issued. We’re crushing business’ ability to expand and that’s what we need to do. We need to grow our economy.

“This president is hostile to businessmen, to business owners and entrepreneurs. He wants to punish success. That’s not what made American great. What made American great is people taking personal responsibility, the entrepreneurial spirit that’s been the hallmark of this country.

“This president doesn’t understand it because he’s never operated in the private sector. He doesn’t understand economics. His solution to gas prices? Increase taxes on oil companies. How does that lower the price of gas? He’s done the same thing with Obamacare. His economic ignorance is quite honestly jaw-dropping.”

ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


totally off-topic:

anybody know the difference between a palor palm and a majestic palm?

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — March 23, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.

And that's HIS opinion. A first term Republican't Senator.

hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A palor palm is a Vegas term for a well oiled assist, majestic palm is a round robin with a magical twist.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Man this cool. If we all posted articles, the basement could become Vancouver's number 1 paper!!!

Think about it. We're beholden to no one.(except the C' :) We serve no special interests. We are anonymous as to detour liability and ensure dweller fact check. No boss. No overhead. No supplies. No scruples. Just the best reporting and opinion this side of Provo.

The Basement Gazette

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Climate Fund Seeks UN-Style Diplomatic Immunity***

*http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpps/news/climate-fund-seeks-un-style-diplomatic-immunity-dpgonc-km-20120322_18755189*

*(FOX News) - The Green Climate Fund, which is supposed to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases, is seeking a broad blanket of UN-style immunity that would shield its operations from any kind of legal process, including civil and criminal prosecution, in the countries where it operates.
There is just one problem: it is not part of the United Nations.*

this is another scheme to implement agenda 21.

fwiw....if they're not doing anything underhanded, w*hy are they trying to get immunity from any repercussions for their actions??*

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*.. trying to be 'a normal person', sent following email just now:*

Matt:

I've posted a question for two weeks in the forum, regarding the ongoing problem of my posting on the FB side.

I've posted the reasons for the question, and why I have used that medium to resolve this issue.

Were you unaware of the post, or are you ignoring it?

Dee Little

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 9:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**HAWK**

> *A first term Republican't Senator.*

fwiw, this makes you look like a knee-jerk partisan.

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Matt- As a favor to us all. Please put this "deelittle" situation to rest. Thanks.

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Ron Paul Blames Florida Loss On Expensive Advertising Costs Of Poster Board, Markers**

TAMPA, FL—After finishing last in this week's Florida primary, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul told reporters his poor showing in the polls was caused by the prohibitively expensive cost of the poster board, markers, and tape he uses to create and hang his campaign signs. "It's difficult for us to keep up with the better-funded campaigns and get our message out there when you have to dish out nine bucks or more for an eight-pack of multicolored markers," said Paul, adding that for his campaign, it was simply not financially feasible to use glitter or sparkles to make the posters more eye-catching. "We tried using ballpoint pens, but it took forever to make thick letters. Then we tried switching to typing paper, but it was just too small, and we couldn't fit 'Restore America Now' on there without having to flip over the page and put the last couple letters on the back side." Paul said he decided to suspend advertising in Florida after the black marker stopped working, reportedly because campaign chairman Jesse Benton forgot to replace the cap.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ron-paul-blames-florida-loss-on-expensive-advertis,27268/

nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HAWK

A first term Republican't Senator.

fwiw, this makes you look like a knee-jerk partisan.

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.

***And that would be YOUR opinion, such as it is!***

hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 9:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 23, 2012 at 9:45 p.m.

That's just funny, kinda sounds like Kim Kendal. LOL

hawkeye — March 23, 2012 at 10:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


have a good night, hawk.

DeeLittle — March 23, 2012 at 11:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GO and roger, If we don't post to the CRC thread we will not get a chance to be heard. This forum is pretty much political. That's good thing, though.

As long as The Columbian is willing to give any crumbs we might as well make the most of it. It could change on a dime. We all have a list of grievances that we have to get across to the CRC. I still choose to do it in the basement/dungeon. But I see that the question of legalities concerning the CRC is being looked into.

I know my spam didn't have anything to do with it but I am glad to see someone else is taking this folly seriously!!!!

See you over there ... over there ... over there. My coffee isn't ready yet!! Mustn't forget to nudge it.

JohnCasey — March 24, 2012 at 5:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Seeing as how Pres Obama has decided to change course on the Keystone Pipeline project and push completion of Phase 3 (Cushing OK to Nederland TX), it might be worthwhile to understand what's at Cushing.

http://www.energyindustryphotos.com/largest_oil_storage_facility_in.htm

This is the largest oil storage facility in the world. And we're no longer talking the dirty stuff from Canada that's mainly good for diesel; this stuff is "sweet crude" that has a much greater range of use (to include gas for cars).

Nederlands TX is part of the Port Arthur oil refining and exporting complex.

Need I say more? At the end of the day, this Liberal Democrat has no more concern for the welfare of the working person, who depends on a car and reasonably priced fuel for their livelihood, than any of the rest of that crowd in D.C. who are owned by the moneyed elite.

(I'm starting to think that the CAPTCHA folks are monitoring this site - "You think that was hard to read, you sniveling little whiner? Well, take this!!")

roger — March 24, 2012 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, a few days ago, I'd run a question by Matt. Half expecting an answer by the next day, I did receive one, but it wasn't an answer to my reply. Instead, it was a cordial note informing me that Matt was battling a cold. Most likely, he hasn't been at his desk most of this week (but I could be wrong). There's a nasty cold going around. It's wiped out the majority of my extended family.

(Matt Wastradowski, I hope you don't mind I'm stepping in here with this comment and I hope you are feeling better today.)

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 7:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning John, looks as if we two are first ones up and at it here.
I have not looked at the cellar in two days so this morning, I took some good coffee and read through the last two days of comments.

People people! We sound like Washington DC here! Bicker bicker bicker. We have the right, we have the left, and we got the token Libertarian here (welcome back, Fro). We have maybe 2-3 people that I would gladly call moderates.

We cannot find any common ground, we attack (that means both sides), we are becoming more entrenched, and we will not give. Conspiracy theories abound! Obama wants to destroy the country, and the right wants to be Taliban land.

And we wonder why DC is no better? We can't even do it here. We are a nice reflection of Congress.

Now, I am sure we all recognize that I am a very left leaning liberal, and I even embrace certain aspects of socialism (as we ALL do, when we call 911 or when we cash Soc Sec). But I am willing to listen to reasoned arguments.

How about ONE WEEK of stopping snide remarks, conspiracy theories, and outright attacks? How about we try and tackle a few issues like reasonable people? One local, one state, and one federal issue?

Have I lost my marbles? is this impossible? Do I dream on a Saturday morning? Have the winds robbed me of my brain? Am I delusional? Do I need meds?

I have the feeling we lost many posters because of the nasty feel we get here sometimes. I am not arguing that the cellar becomes candyland and is all sweet. But let's try and see if we cannot find common ground somewhere. We tend to tell our kiddies that they need to work it out, but we sure seem unable to do the same.

Anyone willing take me up on this? Maybe ONE DAY?

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Make that three of us, Luvithere. I'd be more happy to go at it more than one day! Sadly though, the discussion won't stop and insults/snide remarks, conspiracy theories and for the most part, links to sensationalized articles from websites swinging in the direction of the writer rather than the balanced clips will continue. All the more reason to enjoy those couple of days we take to exit ourselves from the C now and then.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This morning, I was reading Lou Brancaccio's Press Talk Column when at the end of the article was a little farewell wish to Libby Clark which states

*"On a personal note: Thanks, Libby Clark, for everything you’ve done for our website. We’ll miss ya!."*

I just wanted to say a hearty THANK YOU to Libby for everything you have done for us in the Whine Cellar and I wish you all the best that life has to offer!!! You will be missed.

Well now, we're moving along with more folks posting on this cloudy but mild and breezy Saturday morning.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


dee

"Since 2008, 11,000 new rules and regulations have been issued. We’re crushing business’ ability to expand and that’s what we need to do."

One would have to ask how 11,000 rules & regulations compare to, say 2004-2008. I don't know, do you?

Consider the source, a Republican. Any surprise he's critical of Obama? That works both ways, I wouldn't expect Obama to compliment, say Romney, but if imitation is the highest form of flattery, Obama certainly did so tacitly by modeling his health care reform package after Romney's.

IMO, I'm not so sure your source is any smarter. The tired, old notion that de-regulation is going to create jobs is mostly bunk. Increasing demand for goods and services will create jobs. Without demand, all the de-regulation in the world will simply move money straight to the bottom line where it will remain. While true, if there is increased demand, this money will allow for expansion thus creating jobs, but no demand still equals no jobs. Also, if a business is operating with a reasonable percent of return, there would be money to expand irregardless of regulations if demand for it's product is occurring. That's probably why, when the economy was growing rapidly from 2003-2007, there was little, if any talk crying for deregulation. In fact, especially in the financial sector, there was a lot of de-regulation, and look what we got.

mrd — March 24, 2012 at 7:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


See ya on the CRC forum, JohnC.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey mrd,
I agree that the talk of regulation/deregulation seems to be an artifact of some political leanings. Deregulating everything simply does not work. Human greed takes over at that point, and "pink slime" would be in everything, to simplify. Ueber regulating, on the other hand, is no good either.
Increasing demand will create jobs, no demand means no jobs. If people have no money, they will not buy or consume, there will be no demand for the goods, and no need to create jobs in the field. A simple proposition, but one that works.

Having said that, I need to pick on one regulation that makes zero sense to me. How in the world can we manage storm water runoff and get it all back to pre-European conditions? Can anybody tell me how to do that except if we all leave and let nature take over again, with no human in sight? What is it I am missing here?

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well luvithere, they can always build more grass-filled, mosquito-infested storm drainage filtration pits like the ones in these postage-stamp-lot neighborhoods! You know...those eyesores with cyclone fences around them everywhere !!!! (sarcasm, indeed!!!)

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This used to be a government of checks and balances. Now it's all checks and no balances.

- Gracie Allen

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Undeniable Truth:

The President of today is just the postage stamp of tomorrow.

- Gracie Allen

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 8:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Newt Goes After Obama’s ‘Muslim Friends’**

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/newt-goes-after-obamas-muslim-friends.html

nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good grief, yes, Goldie, I know which ones you mean. I would hate to live in one of those.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I am off to breakfast with a friend. While we typically hit Portland and one of the cooler breakfast places, we decided to go to Shari's and stuff ourselves with the stuffed hash browns. I will be back - looking forward to a civilized, non-link filled conversation among polite cellar dudes and dudettes.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 7:54 a.m

I couldn't agree more. I think those environmental laws are a joke and they are stopping growth in our state. How can ANYONE possibly take things back to pre-Indian times? Oh, I know, let's tear down all the buildings and everyone live and work in teepees. That includes ALL the buildings downtown and the new "C" building.

hawkeye — March 24, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Opinion Piece by N** :)

luvit & others...why do so many feel they have to criticize basement activities and continuously urge folks to do 'better'.

Conspiracy theories, "snide remarks", outright attacks obviously are subjected to opinion and viewpoint.

This is the basement for Christ's sake. Quit playing the faux superiority "civility" game and cause a few to walk on your ideological egg shells.

How absurd that a few would set rules and regulations to fit their idea of what honest debate and constructive conversation is.

In short people, get over yourselves.

nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 8:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, I believe there were mud houses and lodges according to what I have studied...not just the stereotypical teepees. I wouldn't mind a lodge to live in...equipped with wood stove, passive solar lighting, well water equipped with the old-fashioned pump, endless acres of wild land...

I wouldn't mind it at all, especially after seeing what "progress" has done to old farming communities across the US.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
that was a personal attack. **In my opinion**. And totally unnecessary.
We cannot even state opinions anymore as they seem to lead to personal attacks.
As you and I are on the same political side, me being conceivably almost to the left of you, this makes your comment even more puzzling. Did you feel singled out? You were not. It was a general comment.
I did not set rules and regulations, I asked for civility, honest debate and constructive conversation. Seems to me that you are the one who wants to decide what honest debate and constructive conversation is.

So let's start over again, shall we?

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Gold,
I would miss the showers and indoor plumbing too much. Electricity is nice, too.
I think we can manage storm water better than "pre-European" standards. Totally unenforceable standards.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit: Did you just fire your Civility Czar?

I took my cues from George Washington's Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior, who in turn got his from the 1500's Jesuits:

http://www.foundationsmag.com/civility.html

Seems like reasonable folks have been stepping on each other's tender tootsies for some time now. :)

manthou — March 24, 2012 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It's still possible, luvithere. Solar water heat, solar energy, your own wind energy...

...just staying off the grid. We can learn by our ancestors yet live with all the modern comforts. It's just my preference to have wood heat and passive solar lighting.

The big drawback...most utilities expect you to hook up to their grid so they can get the excess energy from you at pennies on the dollar.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I never thought I'd see the day where I liked something this man had to say:

"Today we affirm a new commitment to live out our nation's promise through civility, courage, compassion and character."

- George W. Bush

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


yea Goldie, but I like TV also, and computers...how else to post here???

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit- *Nail, that was a personal attack.* Where? A prime example luvit.

Soooooo I "personally attacked" folks with my opinion? Because I disagree with your criticism of basement offerings?

Why should anyone follow anyone's rules but the C? The basement vets itself.

*I will be back - looking forward to a civilized, non-link filled conversation among polite cellar dudes and dudettes.*

When you return you expect the basement to be link free?

*As you and I are on the same political side, me being conceivably almost to the left of you, this makes your comment even more puzzling.*

My political leanings include a passion for unbridled discourse. It makes no diff left or right.

I'm all for civility. I'm all against setting rules and guidelines for how others introduce their thought processes.

luvit...I personally attacked you? Get real. I guess ring up Matt and put me on ignore. Wow.

nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice sentiment by Bush. Too bad he did not listen to himself.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This says it all:

*“Civility means a great deal more than just being nice to one another. It is complex and encompasses learning how to connect successfully and live well with others, developing thoughtfulness, and fostering effective self-expression and communication. Civility includes courtesy, politeness, mutual respect, fairness, good manners, as well as a matter of good health. Taking an active interest in the well-being of our community and concern for the health of our society is also involved in civility.”*

~ P. M. Forni

..

luvithere...how about an indefinite tenure of civility????

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere @ 9:11 am

Ah yes, but we could listen to the words and take a positive action...wouldn't you say???

@9:10 am: Well, now we've got a problem. I personally could live without the internet lifeline, but I've got a good library of DVD's sure to keep me and my family entertained. Most likely though...we'd be visiting friends and relatives and working on the homestead. For transportation? Nothing better than a horse or our own two feet! Besides, the horse would provide excellent fertilizer for the garden, lol.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- #26-In Pulling off your Hat to Persons of Distinction, as Noblemen, Justices, Churchmen &c; make a Reverence, bowing more or less according to the Custom of the Better Bred, and Quality of the Person. Amongst your equals expect not always that they Should begin with you first, but to Pull off the Hat when there is no need is Affectation, in the Manner of Saluting and resaluting in words keep to the most usual Custom.

Does this include my Charger cap? :)

nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Now that sounds pretty good to me, Gold.

Last week, Dee and I had a lengthy conversation about abortion, religion, Planned Parenthood. We were on opposite sides but we actually managed not to insult each other. What's wrong with that? Nothing. I rather have such a chat than none or one with insults flying. And at times I felt like lashing out and I am sure so did Dee. But we did not.
Not that we convinced each other of the other's rightful stance, lol. But I got a better understanding of what drives her. Good enough for me.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*luvit...I personally attacked you? Get real. I guess ring up Matt and put me on ignore. Wow.
nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 9:11 a.m*
Oh Nail, there's a nice way of saying something and there's a snotty way of saying something. I actually enjoy most of your links and I won't put you on ignore. I just ask for civility. And that goes for all. I do expect a bit of courtesy from you and others. Naturally I cannot force you, but I just can't see the point of riling others up on purpose.
Sadly, friend had to cancel breakfast, so i better scrounge for something good here. Also means I am still in cellar.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit @ 9:17 am: Especially and specifically: your Charger cap!

manthou — March 24, 2012 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere, you and I both know that sometimes we disagree and other times we're in agreement...but we take the time to ponder what the other has to say in order to understand the different perspective. None of us have to agree with any one comment but it's the understanding that each of us have a right to our own opinion. Negative attacks don't have to be in the game. I guess it's a forever learning experience in the game of civil discussion. Some get it. Others do not. I'm still learning.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What??? No stuffed hash browns???

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nope, none of the stuffed hash browns and I was so looking forward to them. Well, at least my hips thank me. Stomach is sad, though.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere and golden,

Most important of all is respect. Respect others and their opinions.
I am just as guilty as the next person for nasty comments to others over issues. I have tried to have a civil chat with some, but when those few decide to become nasty..well you know, human nature's natural defense takes over.

We all have a lot to learn, never too old to do so. If others took the time out to listen to the other person and not just hear them we'd all be much better off.
But, we do have those who makes it their entire daily postings of snide snarky remarks to/at those they disagree with.

ELISI — March 24, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I have to say, my fearless leader at work had to sit down with everyone yesterday and have a heart-to-heart about, yes, the importance of civility in the workplace.

I encouraged her to couch it in the positive: instead of talking about bullying, let's focus on what we want: civility, respect, responsibility.

You could hear a pin drop, the room was so quiet.

Later, people came up to me, one by one, asking, "Was that talk aimed at me?"

If you have to ask that question, then, you might be part of the problem.

So, I suggest the same here. Lecturing and shaming aren't as powerful as modeling the positive behavior you want. It's contagious. Just wait and see.

Just my two cents worth on a sunny Saturday.

manthou — March 24, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


As always, Manthou, you hit the target.

I can get quite nasty myself, known for the big mouth and all, but with advanced age comes wisdom.....
That's why I am always right. LOL!

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Adding this: If someone posts something snide, disrespectful or demeaning to you, you can choose to ignore it. You can choose to respond in kind. You can choose to lecture the hell out of them. Or you can respond with civility, manners, and respect, even humor and let the readers choose who took the high road.

We are not stupid here. And you don't have to hang a bell on bully. Don't add to the problem or reduce your own credibility and respect by dishing out the same stuff.

'nuf said from me today.

Have fun, all.

manthou — March 24, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere: Big smile from me to your comment at 9:39! We're all perfect, you know! No errors here. Ever! :)

manthou — March 24, 2012 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,
Finally-someone who understands!

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI @ 9:37 am...

A------MEN!!!

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Manthou @9:43 am

Excellent food for thought. Thanks for saying it so well.

@9:45 am...ditto!

Time for positive thoughts...It's a beautiful Saturday Spring Morning and I wish a great day for everyone. Enjoy!

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Weren't we supposed to get rain? Sun here with tons of winds. Might go outside myself and see what I can get done. Sure is cold though.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This op-ed goes to point. Mr. Maher nails it. You may not agree...but what the hell...that is the point! Peace people. My comments speak for themselves. In my opinion I'm a pretty damn civil guy. But then again...

It's my opinion.

OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
**Please Stop Apologizing**
By BILL MAHER
Published: March 21, 2012

THIS week, Robert De Niro made a joke about first ladies, and Newt Gingrich said it was “inexcusable and the president should apologize for him.” Of course, if something is “inexcusable,” an apology doesn’t make any difference, but then again, neither does Newt Gingrich.

Mr. De Niro was speaking at a fund-raiser with the first lady, Michelle Obama. Here’s the joke: “Callista Gingrich. Karen Santorum. Ann Romney. Now do you really think our country is ready for a white first lady?”

The first lady’s press secretary declared the joke “inappropriate,” and Mr. De Niro said his remarks were “not meant to offend.” So, as these things go, even if the terrible damage can never be undone, at least the healing can begin. And we can move on to the next time we choose sides and pretend to be outraged about nothing.

When did we get it in our heads that we have the right to never hear anything we don’t like? In the last year, we’ve been shocked and appalled by the unbelievable insensitivity of Nike shoes, the Fighting Sioux, Hank Williams Jr., Cee Lo Green, Ashton Kutcher, Tracy Morgan, Don Imus, Kirk Cameron, Gilbert Gottfried, the Super Bowl halftime show and the ESPN guys who used the wrong cliché for Jeremy Lin after everyone else used all the others. Who can keep up?

This week, President Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, described Mitt Romney’s constant advertising barrage in Illinois as a “Mittzkrieg,” and instantly the Republican Jewish Coalition was outraged and called out Mr. Axelrod’s “Holocaust and Nazi imagery” as “disturbing.” Because the message of “Mittzkrieg” was clear: Kill all the Jews. Then the coalition demanded not only that Mr. Axelrod apologize immediately but also that Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz “publicly rebuke” him. For a pun! For punning against humanity!

The right side of America is mad at President Obama because he hugged Derrick Bell, a law professor who believed we live in a racist country, 22 years ago; the left side of America is mad at Rush Limbaugh for seemingly proving him right.

If it weren’t for throwing conniption fits, we wouldn’t get any exercise at all.

nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


part 2

I have a better idea. Let’s have an amnesty — from the left and the right — on every made-up, fake, totally insincere, playacted hurt, insult, slight and affront. Let’s make this Sunday the National Day of No Outrage. One day a year when you will not find some tiny thing someone did or said and pretend you can barely continue functioning until they apologize.

If that doesn’t work, what about this: If you see or hear something you don’t like in the media, just go on with your life. Turn the page or flip the dial or pick up your roll of quarters and leave the booth.

The answer to whenever another human being annoys you is not “make them go away forever.” We need to learn to coexist, and it’s actually pretty easy to do. For example, I find Rush Limbaugh obnoxious, but I’ve been able to coexist comfortably with him for 20 years by using this simple method: I never listen to his program. The only time I hear him is when I’m at a stoplight next to a pickup truck.

When the lady at Costco gives you a free sample of its new ham pudding and you don’t like it, you spit it into a napkin and keep shopping. You don’t declare a holy war on ham.

I don’t want to live in a country where no one ever says anything that offends anyone. That’s why we have Canada. That’s not us. If we sand down our rough edges and drain all the color, emotion and spontaneity out of our discourse, we’ll end up with political candidates who never say anything but the safest, blandest, emptiest, most unctuous focus-grouped platitudes and cant. In other words, we’ll get Mitt Romney.

Bill Maher is host of “Real Time With Bill Maher” on HBO.

nailingit — March 24, 2012 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*How about ONE WEEK of stopping snide remarks, conspiracy theories, and outright attacks? How about we try and tackle a few issues like reasonable people? One local, one state, and one federal issue? luvithere*

**LUV**
from your post to everyone's fingers!! :)P

i actually got *gardening* done yesterday. mannnnnnn.....are my knees paying for it now. got the kinda knees that prevent me from even stepping up on a curb, forget stairs.

but my little cherry tree, the one i paid a gardener to transplant when i moved here (and he put it off the lawn under a bunch of other trees - easier to mow) has now been re-transplanted to a place in the sun. my bare-root blueberry plants are now in the ground, and the cats are out wondering what happened to their yard.

it's a good day :)

**GOLDIE**: thanks for the info about matt. being the (all together now) natural paranoid i am, my go-to position is being attacked. still learning that one.

DeeLittle — March 24, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee, you were a brave soul yesterday, was way too cold and grey for me to go out there. But today! Finally some real sunshine. I am taking a break from cutting brambles.

I scored some really good deals on rhodies this week. Nurseries are cleaning out their stock right now, and I got some big ones for 5 bucks each. As I need about 20 in total, I made headway. Anybody know of a cheap place for plants like this, let me know.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 2:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, the fruits of your efforts will be well worth the pain you endured with your knees. Last year, our first batch of blueberries were so plump and sweet...and a great treat in the summer on homemade ice cream!!!! Yummy!!!

And yes, it is a good day. The sun actually feels warm in wind-sheltered areas...and even the wind felt kind of nice. Spring is definitely here. I even saw my a honey bee and the hummingbirds are building their nests. They found some insulation which they were gathering. They're cute little busy buggers.

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Luvithere, I'll keep my eyes and ears open for you. It's too bad I didn't know before. The Clark County Farm Forestry Tree sale was this morning at the Battleground Albertson's store. I've picked up nice evergreens in the past. Now, the trees are 20-30' tall.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oops, my bad. It was last Saturday morning.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks Goldie, I have made use of them before. We need no more trees, we got a forest full, but perennial bushes and shrubs. All that green needs to be offset by some colors now.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 2:37 p.m

Just got back from Home Depoe they have shrubs in 1 gal size containers for $3.98. Might be worth checking out. I noticed they have Laurel and arborvitaes and a few others.

We picked up the 20 emerald green arborvitaes for a hedge along the fence that sits on street side.

Plus we got 2 garden boxes built. Busy day today, just wish we would get more days like today over the next week...but *sigh* looks like rain for over a week.

ELISI — March 24, 2012 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Opps meant "depot" not depoe

ELISI — March 24, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks Elisi, might have to go by there also. Now I am in mood to get going outside, but with rain back, needs to wait again....

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


went to a local petco for kitty litter. today was pet adoption day... oooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo ;)

there was this BIG dog...kids could literally ride him. outside only dog. would liked to have adopted him, but i know i couldn't see a dog outside in the snow and just leave it there. the worker said it was outside ONLY. oh well...

there were dogs & puppies, cats, parrots, chickens, rabbits, even goats. found a little dog i filled out papers for....we'll see.

i looked at the baby goats, and thought, 'what a wonderful pet. stays outside, quiet, eats grass...." then i realized; eats trees, vegetables, blueberries, raspberries, lettuce...nawww. goats not good.

the one i'd have gotten if i could have afforded it (adoption fee was $225) was this 7wk old puppy. mix of doberman & rotweiler. came from san bernadino calif shelter. rough life already; very sick at first, rallied...now needs a hernia operation. after that, it'll be ready for a new home. exactly what i was looking for...largish dog that could play w/the cats. but too $$$$

seems lou and lew are good bud's now....in print, at least :)

think i'll plant some bulbs where my cherry tree was....it's weird looking there and seeing....just there there.

DeeLittle — March 24, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere, my hubby decided to plant at least 10 of the 20 arborvitaes today..that's what he is doing now. Said there is lots of daylight left. I told him to go for it and I headed for the house.

ELISI — March 24, 2012 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle,

Have you tried The Hannah Society for a pet?
They are in Clackamas and show pets for adoption every Fri, Sat, and Sun at the Clackamas Mall. Second floor.

http://www.hannahsociety.com/

ELISI — March 24, 2012 at 5:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It will soon be time for the Master Gardener Sale on NE 78th St.

langenthal — March 24, 2012 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What? What's this? Master Gardener Sale? My ears are perking up

Nothign else is, I worked too much out there today. I need a Motrin now-lol. Felt really good though.

luvithere — March 24, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**ELISI**

interesting site...very good program, too. two cats and a dog would be more monthly money than i can afford. but it's DEFINITELY worth the money!!

DeeLittle — March 24, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The WSU Master Gardener Sale is held every year on Mother's Day Weekend. Just checked it out on their website. Thanks for the reminder, Langenthal!!!

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle

Every time I've attended when it's the second chance pet adoption crew or any pet adoption gathering, I always feel so bad for these animals and what they have had to go through, let it be abuse or neglect...or being separated from their devoted master or mistress due to financial or health reasons. Because of my ol' soft heart, I always have the worst urge to want to adopt each and every last one of them...even the goats.

The last time I went to one of the local pet stores, the cats were oh so friendly...even reaching through their kennels in hopes I'd notice them, but there was one particular cat who caught my eye. She was halfway upside down with her paw extended through the cage and was making these little ka ka ka sounds. She was sooooo cute. I hated to turn away but we aren't ready for another cat yet.

goldenoldie — March 24, 2012 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Vice President Dick Cheney had a heart transplant Saturday, after five heart attacks over the past 25 years and countless medical procedures to keep him going. Cheney, 71, waited nearly two years for his new heart, the gift of an unknown donor.

*I hope it was from a Democrat, of course it will be rejected but it could plant a seed. Not only that but don't you have to actually have one to replace?*

hawkeye — March 24, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger-

I removed my comments from Lou's press talk because I felt they were a little off the topic and a little too personal.Also, maybe it's better to leave the do not disturb sign out for Lou and Dave so they can admire each other some more.

normseubert — March 24, 2012 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Better borrow a few of those etch-a-sketches for our own use here in WA.

On Thursday March 15 Gov Gregoire promised to veto all bills put in front of her until the Legislature quit pissing around and put a budget in front of her to sign. She was quite stern with the children - and repeated "25, 50 and 1" numerous times in her effort to get them to understand the bill must be acceptable to all 3 in the approval process.

http://www.tvw.org/capitolrecord/index.php/2012/03/in-case-you-missed-it-gov-chris-gregoire-on-the-threat-to-veto-if-lawmakers-dont-make-progress/

Well, let's see. On Monday March 19 she signed a dozen bills, mostly related to education. And on Friday March 23 she signed two bills - the one establishing an insurance exchange and the supplemental Transportation budget.

Now, it's been a few years, but I sort of recall the child raising classes preaching consistency and following through - NEVER make idle threats or the little miscreants won't respect anything you say.

I guess she forgot.

Anyhow, part of the Trans bill raises the cost of your drivers license 80% - renewal up from $25 to $45. I'll have to look for a copy of the final - the draft I saw earmarked a bunch of money for studying road tolls to replace gas taxes, and some more to conduct still another tolling study for the I5 Bridge (actually a good idea in that CRC used bad data).

roger — March 24, 2012 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


normseubert,

So how does one remove a post? I'm leaving my original, but the others look kind of silly just hanging there.

roger — March 24, 2012 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee and Goldie,

Watch out! The homeless four-legged crowd have a way of getting to you that the two-legged variety can't begin to emulate. Just a moment's weakness and you're done for - another mouth to feed in the house.

That's how I ended up with seven furballs. And every one a demanding little tyrant.

roger — March 24, 2012 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


normseubert,

Never mind - I figured it out - Unfollow post.

roger — March 24, 2012 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And I'm pissed enough about this that I'm posting it again. And give me one of Santorum's etch-a-sketch to use for our Pres, while we're at it.

Seeing as how Pres Obama has decided to change course on the Keystone Pipeline project and push completion of Phase 3 (Cushing OK to Nederland TX), it might be worthwhile to understand what's at Cushing.

http://www.energyindustryphotos.com/largest_oil_storage_facility_in.htm

This is the largest oil storage facility in the world. And we're no longer talking the dirty stuff from Canada that's mainly good for diesel; this stuff is "sweet crude" that has a much greater range of use (to include gas for cars).

Nederlands TX is part of the Port Arthur oil refining and exporting complex.

Need I say more? At the end of the day, this Liberal Democrat has no more concern for the welfare of the working person, who depends on a car and reasonably priced fuel for their livelihood, than any of the rest of that crowd in D.C. who are owned by the moneyed elite.

roger — March 24, 2012 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal



"Watch out! The homeless four-legged crowd have a way of getting to you that the two-legged variety can't begin to emulate. Just a moment's weakness and you're done for - another mouth to feed in the house.

That's how I ended up with seven furballs. And every one a demanding little tyrant."

Roger...You ol' softie!!! That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid right now, lol.

goldenoldie — March 25, 2012 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I love "The Onion." Always a great spoof. It reminds me of "The Daily Couve."

goldenoldie — March 25, 2012 at 7:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**The Fox News Effect**

Now I understand what Ailes and his diabolical mind-benders are up to. At the Fox News Channel, they treat the news as a script. A more apt slogan than “Fair & Balanced” would be “Fox News—Based on a True Story.”

But that’s not being objective, you say. Sorry, there’s no such thing as objective journalism. Objectivity is a sham. Every time you pick one story from the smorgasbord of news coming in, you’re making a selective judgment. When Uncle Walt used to claim, “And that’s the way it is,” Ayn Rand, Ralph Nader, the Smothers Brothers (either Tom or Dick) could say, “No, that’s not the way it is.”

Fox News is news with an attitude. It’s proud to be American news with a lot of flag-waving. It’s aimed at angry people who see good factory jobs disappearing overseas. It finds stories its audience didn’t even know they should be angry about until Fox News called their attention to them. Fox News is aimed at people who feel left out. People who feel the left-wing media controlling TV news don’t serve them the way talk-radio news does. It’s only a niche, but Roger Ailes has driven an eighteen-wheel Mack truck through it. And it’s all the Anointed One’s fault.

Read more @

http://www.thenation.com/article/166668/fox-news-effect

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Over many years, (55+) I've had so many cats and dogs and every thing in between. Birds, fish, hamsters et-al. All of my pets were rescued. This is my first year that I have had no pets in my home. After getting used to it my wife has announced she would like another baby. Meaning: DOG.

We were at the pound a while back and I was saddened that so many pets were up for adoption. One pooch in particular was watching us as we entered the kennel till we left. I went back to see how much it would cost us to spring him. I was shocked. I was told that we had to have minimum sq' ft of property. We couldn't have kids around him as he was 'high strung'. On top of that we had to fork over $250.00. That would have kept the pooch in dog food for a year. He wasn't a papered dog either. He was a mutt. Oh, and by the way, they won't barter with you.

Think I will go to a 'no kill' shelter. They ain't so particular. As long as you show them you are capable of caring for an animal.

I told my wife that I would lay on my back and put my hand through the bars if that would help. I would bark or purr. Her preference. I told her I was paper trained and everything. I even offered to wear a collar in public and she could walk me around on the leash. She wouldn't budge though. So I'm still looking for a DOG !!!

JohnCasey — March 25, 2012 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Unless a Democrat comes forward who can match or exceed Marc Boldt's commitment to public service, I am geared to write a check to his re-election campaign. Anyone but Dave and his coven.
_________________________________________

Marissa Harshman: Thank you for writing a balanced, well-documented (fact not fiction based on fear and emotion) piece on Clark County's legal costs for criminal trials. The issue is substantive vs procedural due process. No one thinks about the importance of the distinction until they or a loved one is facing the long arm of the law. I am willing to pay the costs for both prosecution and defense to do the most zealous job each can. When you tip the scales one way or the other, we all lose.
__________________________

Columbian editorial today: excellent, insightful! Clark County Republicans are destroying themselves by turning their backs on a moderate public servant like Boldt. Just watch this good gentleman take a sharp and hard turn to the right.......

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ooops: Laura McVicker was the journalist who penned the cost of justice piece today.

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mexican priest abuse scandals cast shadow on pope's visit

Mica Rosenberg and Philip Pullella
Reuters
9:21 p.m. CDT, March 24, 2012

LEON, Mexico (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's first full day in Mexico was clouded by fresh allegations the Vatican hid evidence of sex abuse by one of the country's most prominent Roman Catholic leaders for decades.

The authors of a new book say a trove of once-secret Vatican documents prove Church officials ignored complaints of drug use and molestation of seminarians by the late Father Marcial Maciel, founder of the Catholic order the Legionaries of Christ.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-pope-mexicobre82m0rz-20120323,0,3483742.story

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 9:10 PM: In the end, the bills will all pass without the governor's signature, unless she decides to veto some. I think the deadline is the end of March. Whatever she does not sign will become law anyway.

I was fairly impressed with her temper tantrum on camera and then disappointed that she keeps slipping in bills for signing, regardless of the drama of the performance.

Like I said, she is probably making a political statement by picking and choosing which get the sacred ceremony, as, in the end, they all become law without her signature unless she vetos them.

It's good to be a lame duck leader. You can honk off just about anyone at that point.

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit at 8 am: That sends chills of dread down my spine.

Maybe the Anti-SLAPP/SLAPP laws are handing journalism a one way ticket out of their ethical responsibilities.

Just because they CAN print/speak lies due to the extra protection these laws provide them, does not mean they SHOULD.

We have to vote with our attention, money, and time and refuse to support any media outlet that engages in promoting an agenda rather than fact.

The truth can be boring, though, so, if it isn't spiced up/dirtied/or salacious, it will no longer sell.

Got my first CS Monitor in the mail this week: enjoying reading true fair and balanced journalism in the old school style.

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


johncasey-
your situation sounds so familiar. BTW, we ended up with a 75 lb house dog. Good grief!

geeks in government! some neat stuff being done at the local, even neighborhood levels. check it out.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/25/opinion/pahlka-code-government/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

mrd — March 25, 2012 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Obama Health Law Reaches Supreme Court**

If upheld, the law will force dramatic changes in the way insurance companies do business, including forbidding them from denying coverage due to pre-existing medical conditions and limiting how much they can charge older people.

The law envisions that insurers will be able to accommodate older and sicker people without facing financial ruin because of its most disputed element, the requirement that Americans have insurance or pay a penalty.

Another major piece of the law is an expansion of the Medicaid program for low-income Americans that will provide coverage to more than 15 million people who currently earn too much to qualify.

By 2019, about 95 percent of the country will have health insurance if the law is allowed to take full effect, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/25/obama-health-law_n_1378112.html

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I read somewhere that Republicans are projected to pick up 5 senate seats this fall. If so, I doubt much of the health care reform legislation will ever be implemented. I'd imagine they will work towards dismantling it as eagerly as the Democrats worked to pass it in 2008-2010. It'll occupy center stage while everything else is put on hold.

mrd — March 25, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, did you read David Madore's response in Lou's article? I can see why he thinks he should run for office, any office. Talk about an EGO.

hawkeye — March 25, 2012 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit at 9:01 am: A little closer to home on this: Governor-candidate Rob McKenna has entered WA in this Supreme Court fight with the promise that he only wants to challenge the mandate that requires all of us to purchase health insurance by 2014 or face a fine.

Problem is, the arguments presented to the Supreme Court are advocating for scrapping the whole law, not just parts of it. I guess he cannot control the process as much as he thought.

This could come back and bite Mr. McKenna in the political rear here.

I guess we will see.

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — March 25, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.

One would think if Mr. McKenna was as smart as he thinks he is, he would have known that BEFORE he stepped into this fight. I suspect he doesn't care.

hawkeye — March 25, 2012 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye at 9:35 am: McKenna is known as a moderate and received much support from Democrats in his 2005 election. I am almost 100% certain that he hooked WA up with the likes of many Southern states in an attempt to woo the far, far right voters. He made a political error. I am sure of that.

Your comment at 9:11: Thanks for pointing out Madore's free self-promotion ad on Press Talk today. Amazing.

Grandiose and narcissist comes to mind.

And, Dave: the reason that most, if not all of Mielke's motions die without a second is that they are, for lack of a better word, really, really silly.

Madore squared. Mielke squared. Whatever. This race has become crucial for the future health of Clark County.

Marc: the check is in the mail.

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 10:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Think I will go to a 'no kill' shelter. They ain't so particular. As long as you show them you are capable of caring for an animal." -- JohnCasey — March 25, 2012 at 8:02 a.m.

John - Check the following website. They're over in Washougal, but also have adoption days at the PetCo that's in the shopping center at Fourth Plain and 117th Ave. They're a No Kill rescue center that (I'm pretty sure) has nothing to do with the actual Humane Society. When my wife was alive we volunteered at Furry Friends (a cat shelter), and used to work with WCG Humane on some things.

http://www.wcghumanesociety.org/

But the deal is, you probably won't be able to find a dog or cat much of anywhere that isn't going to cost. They microchip, spay/neuter, and vaccinate - and that stuff isn't free! These nonprofits run on donations, and a lot of "out of pocket" from their volunteers. (Trust me - my bank account suffered. I had to beg my wife to save the receipts and a vehicle log for tax time.)

I was also taken aback by the restrictions. Furry Friends does an in home check to verify you meet adoption requirements. I initially thought they were crazy, until I started seeing "returns" because the new owners decided they couldn't handle/afford a cat after all. And finding one guy I recognized from FF run over by Orchards Park kind of swung me over to their point of view.

Another choice - check the want ads for Free to a Good Home. You might get lucky.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


By challenging a law that so many feel is unconstitutional, he is just doing his job. This should not be politicized. Never in the history of this country has the federal government gone as far as to mandate the individual purchase anything.

frobert — March 25, 2012 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The FOX News Effect -- nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 8 a.m.

OK, read the article from The Nation, and here's my response.

Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Rev Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Hayes, Melissa Harris-Perry....

The deal is, they shouldn't be calling these news channels; they're public opinion channels. FOX caters to one extreme, and MSNBC to the opposite. (Except Morning JOE - my personal favorite - where they tend to provide all sides. But even there, they determine what we should be thinking about.)

I watch both channels. Occasionally they'll actually agree on what's important, and I can have a better shot of determining where the possible reality of the topic might lie.

CNN used to give a somewhat middle ground presentation. But I quit watching - that bleached blond fruitcake and his hand-wringing turned me off. And they also killed a halfway decent morning show by replacing Allie whatever and the rotating cast of (intelligent) women with Soledad O'Brien.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — March 25, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.

3 years after we moved into this house, a momma cat left us a present. He was an orange tabby and was left in the barn and was afraid of everything. I really didn't want a cat but after he ran in and out of my legs and rubbed up against my feet, I was hooked. At first we kept him outside, I took him to the vet, had him fixed and I built a box with a heater in it for him for the winter. Flash forward a few years and now he lives in the house, uses a little box, has a kitty window and weighs 15 lbs. and lives better than I do. What are you going to do?

Also, I got him fixed at Battle Ground Vet, they were less expensive than the vet at Petco. It pays to shop around.

hawkeye — March 25, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — March 25, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. -- I might be wrong, but the Repubs would have to pick up the Presidency and/or 60% majorities in both the House and Senate to actually overturn the Health Care act. However, if the House continues to refuse to fund implementation, and if states refuse to provide funding or introduce bogus insurance exchange plans, then the likelihood of it collapsing grows much greater.

I'm in favor of national health care. But anything of value (like true competition among insurance companies, or a "one payer" or other rate control, were negotiated away just to get something passed. What we ended up with appears to be expensive and virtually useless to all except those with pre-existing conditions and long term care needs.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger-
totally agree. the fact the insurance companies and big pharma have "taken their lobbyists and gone home" (for the most part) on this issue pretty much tells me they got most everything they wanted. I don't see or hear any dire predictions from these folks either. Maybe I've missed it, I don't know.

mrd — March 25, 2012 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye,

I'm curious whether he saw the exchange NormSeubert and I had, where we went into greater detail on the religious ideologue topic. But we both deleted last night, so I don't know. And from his lack of response to what I had in my original statement, I think he'll ignore this issue. I almost deleted the original as well, and now I'm glad I didn't. He stated in his response that he will definitely file in May - no wiggle room that I can see to back out without Editor Lou jumping all over him.

Normally I wouldn't bother being concerned with his religion - after all, we just had 8 years of George II and it doesn't look like we suffered that much from his religious beliefs. But I remember old Pat Campbell accusing him of being a religious fanatic on this site pre-facebook split, and an article in The Columbian on how prayer precedes his decisions. He's also got the bus ride story and someone explaining the Gospel of John to him. Ding ding - number one, this rich dude doesn't ride the bus. Number two, the Gospel of John is extremely important to the Pat Robertson Evangelical movement. And those are the religious zealots who I'm afraid of.

At some point I may return and ask a few pointed questions on what he identifies as hindrances to attracting and keeping decent jobs - after all, he is a business owner and should have some clear ideas on this topic. But that will have to wait until we start seeing some active campaigning.

And there's a part of me that wants him to win, and Mielke to get reelected. I'm not entirely sure the County can do much to stop light rail or BRT funding post-election, but....

roger — March 25, 2012 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — March 25, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.

Amen.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — March 25, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
RE: Your orange tabby. I know - I've got a gray tabby that my wife rescued from the dumpster at the PDX Sheraton several years ago. No one ever sees him except family - he still runs and hides. Anyhow, I have an evening treats routine for the cats. If I nod off watching TV and forget, he's the one in charge of whacking my leg to remind me. First whack - just paw. If I ignore it, the claws come out.

I can see why the Egyptians thought they had some tie to their gods. The arrogance of these little buggers is astounding. No wonder some people have such a strong dislike for them.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger and Hawkeye, I remember the time my "rescue cat #1" decided it was time for me to get up for the day at 4:00 in the morning. He would literally use one claw and lightly tap at my nose with that claw. This is the same cat that whenever I bent down to pick something up from the floor, he thought my back was his resting place...claws and all (OUCH!!!!). He was quite a character.

Then there was my "rescue cat #2." Each morning, if I wasn't up at a certain time, he thought it was important to sit and wait for me, making his cute little cat whispers...as he sat on my stomach!!! All 14 lbs of him!

I miss my babies. I'd take the little reminder on the nose and the 14 lbs of loveable kitty any day. We're waiting a few years for another kitty, though...but when it's time, the kitty will be a rescue kitty. They have such the personality!!!

goldenoldie — March 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Olympia is run by ultra-liberals - it's like the '70s/'80s Evergreen State College crew grew up and are running the show.

Rossi almost beat Gov Gregoire in '04, and only lost by a few %age points in '08, running on a nothing platform of being against anything she stands for. If Inslee turns out to be another of the crowd that backs Gregoire, and if McKenna can have a real message - I suspect we'll see a change. As manthou noted earlier, our lame duck Gov is no longer worried about who she pisses off. This could very well come back to haunt the Dem party.

I'm also going to be highly interested to see if the anti-gay marriage initiative makes the ballot - that one will generate some real fireworks.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou mrd roger & others...

Check out this site. It explains in layman's terms 6 ramifications of passed/not passed sections of Obama health care.

They give the wild card little chance. I give it 50/50.

The wild card being they will stave off making a decision another four years citing it's premature to decide the case based on the anti-injunction act/unpaid penalties thingy.

6 Ways Supreme Court Could Rule on Healthcare Law

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/03/21/240239.htm

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 12:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There's an old saying that good things happen to those who wait. Well, I've been waiting for Spring to finally arrive and I truly believe two nice weather days is a good thing...a nice treat!!!

Before it rains...I'm going to head to the out of doors again today and enjoy it while it lasts! I hope everyone else has a chance as well.

goldenoldie — March 25, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — March 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.

Why wait? There's a rescue kitty out there right now who'll be more than happy to be your #3.

http://www.furryfriendswa.org/index.cfm

And if you go to the available cats link, you can even read the "bios" and decide which cat most meets your needs!

roger — March 25, 2012 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 10:53- MSNBC doesn't tout itself as a news station. But rather a place for politics. Think Brian Williams NBC, Maria Bartilomo CNBC etc.

Besides, MSNBC doesn't make crap up! ZERO comparison to Fox.

I like Morning Joe, sometimes. If they had a replacement for Mika and injections of humility for Joe I would view it more often. :)

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.

There are two ways the court could rule on the individual mandate, they could uphold the penumbra of privacy as outlined in Roe v Wade, thus overturning the mandate. They could uphold the individual mandate thus overturning the penumbra of privacy and Roe v Wade. This is a win win for the neocons.

frobert — March 25, 2012 at 12:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: I so appreciate your skepticism and good questions. When it comes to David Madore, I hope you will share your impressions of his responses with us as this long journey to the election progresses.

You have a good eye for detail and bs. And seeing truth from different angles. Were you ever a journalist? Law enforcement?

No need to answer. I am just impressed. :)

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 12:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.

Did you read the comments section to your posted article on the health care options? These guys are hard to the right. What will all your "critics" say about you only posting links to liberal BS?

roger — March 25, 2012 at 12:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Problem is, the arguments presented to the Supreme Court are advocating for scrapping the whole law, not just parts of it. I guess he cannot control the process as much as he thought. manthou*

it was written without a 'severability' clause. that's legalese for "if any part of this law is voided, the whole law is voided".

severability means that part of the law can be voided, but the rest stands...it can be 'severed'.

DeeLittle — March 25, 2012 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — March 25, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.,

Nope. I was a Poli Sci major in college. In my opinion, all that degree is good for is to learn to sling BS, and recognize it in others. (It also freed up plenty of time for partying, as it didn't take a lot of work. In my case - too much party time and too little work. Oh well.)

And, as I think I've said here before, having my Washington Senators bail on me as a kid caused me to have a somewhat jaundiced outlook on life. I was there every summer rooting them on, even though deep down I knew they would almost always lose (especially when the Orioles with the Robinsons and Powell came to town). So, when they left town (for the second time, no less!) - well, my faith in humanity was ruined forever. So now when someone promises something, I tend to turn the rocks over, etc., to see what's hidden from view.

And yes - I'll be more than happy to share my opinions as that situation unfolds. Isn't this why we're all here?

I'll occasionally drop a comment on the facebook side - something along the lines of that if you actually want to get into a topic, get pointed to some references, and engage in a little debate where you can actually learn something - then you need to come here.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**here's what's coming into our country illegally:**

*Fourteen of the 20 people aboard the panga were determined to have criminal records that resulted in their deportation from the United States, El Segundo police Lt. Ray Garcia said.
Their crimes included burglary, robbery, spousal abuse, possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and LSD, weapons possession, animal cruelty, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder and murder, Garcia said.*

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_20243705/panga-that-landed-at-el-segundo-had-14?source=most_viewed

DeeLittle — March 25, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *What will all your "critics" say about you only posting links to liberal BS?*

They'll say the same thing. Cause mostly I do. :)

On this Madore issue...

**People. He has a life size cutout of George Bush in his workplace!!!!!**

Dave seems to have many many smarts when it comes to robotics, investments, tax code personal promotion etc.

Somehow his smarts don't translate well in politics. The Jean wentzel whatever her name is comes across as a really negative type individual. Remember Gladys Kravitz?

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal



*here's what's coming into our country illegally:*...?

"...that resulted in their deportation from the United States,..."

Better said, here's who is leaving our country, legally.

Good to see our system work.

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


On this Madore issue...People. He has a life size cutout of George Bush in his workplace!!!!! --- nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.

Well, all people are entitled to their little foibles. Lot's of people have pics of Abe Lincoln and consider him a great Pres. He's one of the principle reasons the Feds think it's OK to trample all over states rights. And he also suspended habeas corpus during the war - he wasn't putting up with anti-war protesters and anyone else who bad-mouthed his policies. Numbers weren't well kept, but historians say there were between 10,000 and 15,000 locked up without right to counsel or anything else - George 2 is a piker in comparison.

roger — March 25, 2012 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey nail

Dana Carvey is coming to Spirit Mountain May 25. FYI

hawkeye — March 25, 2012 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Have I been living under a rock? I had no idea, absolutely no idea that Kelly Hinton is Marc Boldt's brother-in-law. With relatives like this, who needs enemies?

I finally found my way to his toxic blog today (ugh) and see that Hinton himself is threatening to run against Boldt, too. He promises to expose the skeletons in his family closet.

This guy was Boldt's aide in the WA state legislature, I guess.

Nepotism is never a good idea.

Stay tuned, kids. Pull up a comfy chair and pop some corn. It is going to be a circus, unfortunately.

By the way, I wonder if Hinton is aware of fellow blogger Crystal Cox's 2.5 million dollar defamation slap for the lies she printed about an Lake Oswego attorney? Does he care?

I need to take a shower to wash off the filth from that nasty blog. Too much time on my hands today. :)

manthou — March 25, 2012 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**MAN**

what's the big whup about hinton...?

DeeLittle — March 25, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro @ 12:19- Could be their decision will be nuanced to include grounds for exception to roe v. wade. Who knows. Given the right's radical contraception agenda, we have 5 justices that will fall in line.

Citizen's United, now a few billionaires have the power to shape, alter and possibly change the outcome of a Presidential election.

Good job conservative court!

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***OH ........ MY ........ GOD !!!!***

just read laird's column and comments.... he's...he's....from ***ODESSA TEXAS***

that's where *my family came from*.

DeeLittle — March 25, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 3:27- You do realize you made some sort of comparison between Abraham Lincoln and...Dubya...no. No you couldn't have. Typo? Phrasing? Demerol? (In all good humor :)

Kind of like owning a piano moving business and having life sized cutouts of Laurel & Hardy in your window.

hawk- I bet he's good. I have to think he'd include the Church Lady in his act. Never gets old!

manthou @ 4:45- I've got to get deeper in local politics. This local stuff is fascinating! Boldt's family holiday dinners must be special!

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If you're going to have a life size anything...why not make it inflatable?

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal



roger — March 25, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.

"He's one of the principle reasons the Feds think it's OK to trample all over states rights"

You have fallen prey to liberal propaganda. The republicans of the 1860's fully supported states rights. The plan was to "choke" out slavery by granting rights to all escaped slaves when they reached a "free state", the democrats trampled states rights by passing the renegade slave act requiring that slaves be returned to their states of origin. The republicans further reaffirmed their states rights view by passing an amendment to abolish slavery. The "states rights equals slavery" argument is just democrat propaganda. The republican platform of 1860 is much closer to the republican platform of today, then to the democrats.

frobert — March 25, 2012 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That should pretty much sum up citizens united, the court upheld the Constitution for a change.

frobert — March 25, 2012 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Damn - Nailingit lecturing me for comparing Dubya and Lincoln, and frobert lecturing me for a revisionist, liberal interpretation of history. Now all I need is Lord Basil telling me I forgot my references.

I forget who says it, but if everyone's jumping on me, I must be doing something right!

roger — March 25, 2012 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- Yep! Next case! Locking up abortion doctors for 10 years...guilty! Next case...gun vs skittles....innocent! Next case...transvaginal ultra-sounds and published personal information for receiving legal abortion. Legal! Next case...Millions of voter disenfranchised from America's voting process due to needless and unwarranted restrictions.....legal! Next case...Woman gets raped by band of gypsy's and seeks abortion pill....guilty! Next case...woman ...

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 8:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger...as stated..in good humor.

In all seriousness........what the hell were you thinking? :)

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 8:27 p.m

The court has ruled on the first amendment, on the other issues you are just promoting hate and fear. But then again that is what democrats do best isn't it?

frobert — March 25, 2012 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle-

That would explain why John thinks he has died and gone to heaven. Odessa, TX... I lived in the area for a whole year and that was about a year too long! Beautiful sunsets and friendly people though.

normseubert — March 25, 2012 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**NORM**

my mom referred to it as 'nothing but heat and oil wells'

DeeLittle — March 25, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...sorry, correction: nothing but DIRT and.....

DeeLittle — March 25, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- *promoting hate and fear.*

Look at Alabama and some other states that are promoting "hate and fear" through legislation. I'm rather taken back to see you so-called "libertarians" not denounce some of these tactics and policies being pushed through. Just a small example of the confusing unfair America you state rights people long for. Chaos at any cost. I don't know if real libertarianism exists anymore. I think enough of you have trampled on the basics so long, you need a pocket version for a reminder.

Libertarianism...no way. Just agenda driven pro-life at any cost crap. Regardless of individual rights.

It's like Obamacare". The commerce clause could and should quiet the right wing swift boating of The Affordable health Care Act. Your thinking is no different than Santorum. No matter what you label yourself as.

nailingit — March 25, 2012 at 10:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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