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I thought swearing was considered a sin...

**Santorum Curses at NYT Reporter**

Rick Santorum was reportedly so frustrated by a journalist’s question Sunday night that he yelled “bulls--t” at him. Following a Wisconsin speech in which the presidential hopeful called his opponent Mitt Romney the “worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama,” The New York Times's Jeff Zeleny tweeted, “I ask Santorum if Romney is ‘worst Republican’ to run. He says: ‘Quit distorting my words It’s bulls--t.’ He says he was talking about health care.” The Romney campaign took the incident as an opportunity to say
Santorum is becoming “more desperate and angry and unhinged every day."

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Third Commandment...Thou shalt not take the Lord thy God in vain.

(KJV-You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God)

Just put it this way, nailingit...according to what I have read, the emotion commonly known as guilt would not be put upon any of us if we did not utilize curse words. Some may consider guilt as the punishment of cursing.


btw, good morning.

goldenoldie — March 26, 2012 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I could explain the differences between "cursing" and "swearing"
and if they are a sin or not, but, I won't waste my time.

Someone said last week something about "instigating" arguments..and I will not play into that anymore.

Looks like we may have a beautiful day today after all. Well, at least a dry day.

Did anyone get a chance to read the article about Babies n Need program? Wonderful program! KUDOS to those who run it.

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, I swear I won't curse today!...8)

goldenoldie — March 26, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Golden, once I get in my car today to cross the I 205, I will not swear, but I may curse a few drivers..;)

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, I'm sure you're not alone in those thoughts.

goldenoldie — March 26, 2012 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Too bad our politicians can't drive the routes from here to Portland daily for say about a week. They'd see and know more about the bottleneck and where it is as far as traffic goes.
Maybe they'd rethink about where to place the new bridge and if LR is really needed.

With gang related shootings up in Portland from 16 this time last year to 29 this year and all the crime that has happened on the LR they might change their minds.

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just to clear things up......

Santorum: ‘If you haven’t cursed out a New York Times reporter … you’re not really a real Republican’

***I hope that covers it for all of you!***

And according to.... ME, if you aren't cursing out your candidates, you aren't paying attention.

hawkeye — March 26, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A bit of FYI...

The following gas companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell.................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................. 62,231,000 barrels
And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC.
If you do the math at $100 per barrel, that's over $550 million PER DAY ($200 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC.
It won't stop here - oil prices could go to $200 a barrel or higher if we keep buying their product.

Here are some large companies to support that DO NOT import Middle Eastern oil:
**Sunoco.........................0 barrels
**Conoco.........................0 barrels
**Sinclair..........................0 barrels
**BP/Phillips.....................0 barrels
**Hess.............................0 barrels
**ARC0............................0 barrels
**Maverick.......................0 barrels
**Flying J.........................0 barrels
**Valero..........................0 barrels
**CAMurphy Oil USA*.... 0 barrels
**Sold at Wal-Mart, the gas is from South Arkansas and fully USA owned and produced.
*Not only that but they give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizen.

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning go. I hope you don't mind some personal diatribe.

*Someone said last week something about "instigating" arguments..and I will not play into that anymore.*

go I'm finding out that some who post here honestly believe that a spirited exchange of ideas is a personal affront or instigating some sort of attack. In my world I find this thought line to be absurd in many ways. I've come to realize others don't share my view at all. I'm sorry for any over the top insensitivity I've shown.

Last week when I urged people to stop criticizing the basement and get over themselves after reading a post I disagreed with, I was accused of "taking it personally", engaging in personal attacks, then the basement was treated to a tutorial on how to treat bullying. In my world it was a head shaker, in others it was meaningful, hurtful, personally demeaning and a time to share.

Sometimes I don't realize just how sensitive people are. I honestly don't print anything I wouldn't say to someone in person and seem to get along fine in this world. But it's my world and I should look well beyond that.

It's another benefit to only posting links to share my view. I think that's why I started dong it in the first place. Fewer toes get stepped on. Of course that gets criticized also. And that's fine. Opinion/articles are just that.

I think we have become a society where Political Correctness is paramount whether I agree with it or not, I also think the word civility is often used to shield against opposing thought, intentionally or not. I wish we could offer inflection/nuance in our print so people will know what spirit we are dialoging in.

So to shorten I'll try not to offend. I was surprised that no one commented on Bill Maher's column which I really took to heart. It affirmed I need to really watch what I print with some.

luvit I hope you recover from your perceived injuries, they were not intentional. I enjoy reading your posts as you offer a different perspective. Peace.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- btw, Santorum's "incivility" inspired me to write. I wonder if the reporter felt he was personally attacked? At least he/she gets paid for it.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Stag Party
The GOP’s woman problem is that it has a serious problem with women.**

By Frank Rich

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning Nail,
let me clarify that my call for civility last week was not specifically directed at you. There are plenty others who get miffed when one disagrees with them. it was a general call for constructive debate.

I only took exception when you blasted me after my comment, and a bit nastily.

However, I prefer not to harp on this. So, as this a new forum for the week and a new day, let's all move on. In a civilized manner, naturally!

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Golden, once I get in my car today to cross the I 205, I will not swear, but I may curse a few drivers..;) -- ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.

Putting a curse on them would be more satisfying.

roger — March 26, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Per you 8:47 am post.. Very taste full and thoughtful....You hit the coffee pot early this morning.. Have a great week everyone...
Should be interesting dialogues when the Supreme Court hears arguments on the Health Care Reform bill.....and makes some kind of findings....
My Captcha has "prayers and thought” in it.. How convenient....

vanwadreamer — March 26, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Nail, let me clarify that my call for civility last week was not specifically directed at you*

As I will state, one more time, I did not take it personally. My post was a general call against guidelines. Again, I said the basement vets itself. No one needs to. Let's not rehash, that would take a dissecting re-post and I wish not to offend yet again.

*I only took exception when you blasted me after my comment, and a bit nastily.*

Not to harp luvit, but you are inaccurate. It was a general post. It was not directed to you as I stated in original post.

I will move on as was my intention. But blatant inaccuracies need to be addressed. It could be a language/nuance thingy whatever. It's cool. I will check myself in the future.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 10:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- I have to think SCOTUS already have their minds made up. Health care does seem to fit the commerce clause, we'll have to wait and see. I think this health care issue has been totally blown up on the right.

After all, the personal mandate was a Republican brainchild and it used to be a bi-partisan accepted concept.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.

"Health care does seem to fit the commerce clause"

What Constitution are you reading?

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Not yours fro. It won't fit in my pocket. You might ask same question of the multitude of Federal judges who did not have a problem with the affordable health care act.

Let's see how it plays out.

I wish you cared half as much about a persons right to their own body as you do about controlling it.. Again. Your opinion is too entrenched in Republican ideology to be objective. Yes. Republican ideology. Not some faux libertarianism you and the tea party's got brewing.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit @ 8:47 a.m.

I appreciate your comment and remember this my fellow forum follower...I am not responsible for the comments made by others. As I have said before, I post only as goldenoldie and I will no longer attempt to justify that fact. Whether you choose to believe's your right. I do speak the truth. Also, each individual has a right to their opinion. I do not tell others what to say. They decide for themselves what they say. If you see a pattern of comments, that should tell you something. Common courtesy and respect warrants a healthy discussion. Insults or negative diatribe toward something or someone you do not support is not a healthy discussion...something we all could remember.

Nailingit - with all due respect, I understand your concern regarding the Catholic priests as I am concerned as well, but I also want to remind you that the issue is not just with the Catholic Archdiocese - something we are all quite familiar with...molestation is a world-wide plague afflicting all denominations, youth centers, shopping malls, preschools/day cares, babysitters, families, friends, schools, businesses, hospitals, doctor/dental offices - you name it... is everywhere. My point is that for those of us who try our best to be dedicated followers in our faith, it is a direct insult to those of us who are Catholics when you focus on the issues of molestation with posts on churches in Pennsylvania and elsewhere...and how it's been "hidden" from the public when it comes to the Vatican. It is also a test of our strength in believing in our faith while we ask ourselves why we must endure this plague. A church does not make one's faith but blows to the church we choose to follow is. You have to remember this, Nailingit...the issues of molestation are hidden from everybody till the victim has come forward no matter where it happens. All each and every one of us can do is keep our eyes and ears open and never turn away from this plague as it continues to fester. Nipping it in the bud is always the first course of action.

To question Santorum's comment and to ask if it is a sin to John 8:7 for the quote I share. We all make mistakes, Nailinigit.

Today is a new day. Treat it like there's no tomorrow. Celebrate the day...celebrate life for it is quite precious and could be taken away from us at the snap of a finger.

goldenoldie — March 26, 2012 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.

"I wish you cared half as much about a persons right to their own body as you do about controlling it"

When have I EVER posted anything that does not support a persons right to self determination? I have NEVER posted anything indicating support for government control over our bodies. You on the other hand have posted many times supporting government control over our bodies and our most basic autonomy.

Your argument is weak and without merit.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


That was I who said:

"Someone said last week something about "instigating" arguments..and I will not play into that anymore."

Not Golden. She is not me, nor am I her. We are 2 different individuals. Just because the two of us seem to agree on many thing, interested in many of the same issues does not mean we are the same person. I agree with many things others have to say that she doesn't and vis versa.
IMO Golden is more moderate, than I. I tend to fall a tad more towards the conservative side.

If we all could leave religion, and political parties out of discussions and discuss voting and work records of our politicians and issues there would be no personal attacks.
As I see it that is the whole problem with the elected ones, they play the "party", and the media feeds this discord. America's problems are NOT a "party" problems, it's ALL our problems. Are we not ALL in this together?

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 12:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL - Deja vu, some things never change.

soapbox4u — March 26, 2012 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

happy new week!

sun's shining...lawn's getting nowed....even managed to pull a few weeks out front. only a few. knees are still not functioning, and i'm getting sick having to take those opiate pain pills.

ANYway...hope matt's better this week cuz i'm gonna hafta stop reading the actual news part if i can't rebu- er, comment on the stories and other comments.

my bulbs are blooming :) hyacinth so far. little guys, but they'll grow. discovered that daffies have naturalized my yard, where the soil slopes into the pond. niiiiice.

nail seems to be so hung up on priests i'm beginning to wonder if he needs some kind of psychotherapy. really.

and, again from yesterday...whatzup with the hinton thing? posters here seem to hate him, columbian seems to hate him...what did he do?

DeeLittle — March 26, 2012 at 1:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I've no idea what the lawyers will present to SCOTUS, but two previous court cases are worth looking into to have a general idea of previous rulings on the Interstate Commerce Clause.

Wickard v. Filburn (1942) seems to be the one most widely credited with allowing the Federal gov't an extremely expansive purview. They basically ruled the Feds could keep a farmer from growing wheat for his own use; the rationale was that this affected the overall market, especially when the practice is expanded across all farmers.

US v. Lopez restricts the application of the Interstate Commerce Clause. Lopez took a gun to school (to sell) and was arrested. The Feds got involved and tried to argue the business of education affects interstate commerce and consequently the clause applies. Chief Justice Renquist's majority opinion shoots down this argument, noting that if allowed, almost anything could be construed as falling under the purview of the Feds - thereby invalidating the separate powers intent of The Constitution. (Or something like that.)

Anyhow, I'm hoping they address this head on, as opposed to skirting the issue by just addressing the as yet to be imposed penalties.

roger — March 26, 2012 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Dee,
hope you are feeling better soon and ready to waltz through the garden!
I am also very interested in this Hinton fellow. I went on his blog (thanks Manthou) and walked away thoroughly disgusted. Makes me wonder if the public will be able to listen in to some family squabbles that are going public. If anybody knows why this guy is so hot to trot to go after Boldt, let us know.

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

go, elisi thanks for your comments.

go- I understand child molesters are everywhere. This type of depravity exists in all walks of life and certainly has no boundaries. So does murder & mayhem. I view churches as being different when it comes to trust and setting examples. They stand with many as a place of "salvation," as well as a symbol of societal trust and civility. When's the last time someone was murdered or robbed in a church? Well, maybe a day or two, but child involved crimes are prevalent and systematic in many of these conservative institutions.

These crimes in the Catholic Church can be laid at their doorstep. When there is current news or news relevant to conversation I might bring up the Catholic church more than others, I don't know. I try to give all churches equal time! :) Assembly of God/Pentecostal/Baptist/Mormon/JW's etc.

In America these institutions are set up to represent the God they serve. Mostly Jesus. (come to think of it I can't recall child molestation being systemic and on going in some of the "cult" churches like JW's, Seventh Day, Scientology, mainstream Mormonism etc. like it is in "Christian" churches) anyway, a different example needs to be set. A higher standard.

Whether it be in Penn St. Italy, whatever. The Catholic church has it's hierarchy and leaders are on message. It's relevant what the leaders say. The coverup's are more than relevant/prevalent. I wish parishioner's were as vocal about their leaders crimes as they are about the image of the church. The victims, the victim's families deserve much attention everywhere, not only Catholic, but all. It's the only way to rid the system of garbage. Turn on the light and they scatter.

Don't get me wrong. I think church is great as it is meant to be. A place to worship God, pray for one another, help one another, organize and give to those in need, espouse and live as the best example one can. Church isn't meant to be political or a place to espouse anything other the written word that guides it. To take advantage and rape our youth at one of these institutions is to add to a crime that is already beyond the pale. There is a shock factor.

We should question and hold people accountable in our society. All the more with institutions that represent and espouse the morals and values of the God they represent, and demand their flock live in kind.


nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

well said, Nail.

I think that gets me the most-those that preach how to live, becoming so depraved. And then the's time for this church to clean house.
If women were allowed to be involved.....(I always have to say this)

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My comment about Santorum's "sin" was tongue in cheek. If one believes it's a sin to curse, then ... I don't know what to say. Santorum sets himself up as being holier than thou, but sets the example to his family and country it's not only okay to swear in public when you don't like something, but basically lie in order to walk back looking foolish. Santorum's an idiot.

It's amazing we are talking Rick Santorum in 2012. The Republicans are going down the rabbit hole and getting ready for the next reality. Obama for another 4 years.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 2:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit...way past time. These are the worst of the worst of crimes anyone could ever do. And for church leaders to cover up, let it continue and put the holy seal on it it is more than ugly.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 2:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, your post at 2:19pm...well stated. And just to clarify things, there are three churches in this community...three churches that are NOT Catholic churches who have had issues of molestation in the past year. The sad, sad truth is the pedophiles are hiding behind the cloth and think they are immune to prosecution. The issue of molestation has always been hush, hush...nobody wants to admit it. Nobody wants to talk about it and the issues have been allowed to fester, but now...these children who have come forward...mostly adults rehashing what they've had to endure...and they are trying to put a stop to the plague of molestation. Even the Pope has recognized the issue. Each archdiocese has their responsibility to "clean up their act" so to speak, but so do the church leaders in other religious groups.

Honestly Nailingit, I haven't seen you post any articles about the three (most likely more) recent cases involving other churches in Clark County rather than Pennsylvania Catholic Archdiocese. I've only seen you post regarding Catholic Churches. And what about the athletic clubs, the public schools...there's been several in Clark County over the past year. Maybe I've been so sensitive about it because I was raised Catholic and have felt like it was a direct hit against Catholics. We're not a bunch of pedophiles. In fact, we want them ousted, tried and convicted just as you do. They need to be held accountable for their actions.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

goldenoldie — March 26, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have to ask nailingit, what about police officers? There are those that have stepped over the boundaries and have molested and even raped. The very ones they took an oath to protect!
Same with doctors, they also took an oath to care for.
We send our children to school for an education and be safe while there. Yet, there are pedophiles even in our schools..teachers, coaches, volunteers.

Parent must keep aware, know the signs of and keep an open conversation going with their kids on the subject.

I see daily, parents that just drop off their young kids at the park across from my house and drive away. They come back in an hr or 2 and pick them back up. It amazes me how these parents can do that! It always brings back memories of the 2 boys that were molested and murdered by Dodd years ago just a few block from where my inlaws lived. When my kids were small if they wanted to go to the park to play, I made sure I sat on my front step or worked in the front yard so I could keep an eye on them.

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


let's not forget the homosexual pedophile currently sitting in the mayor's seat in portland.

don't see much condemnation of HIM......

DeeLittle — March 26, 2012 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

When my kids were small if they wanted to go to the park to play, I made sure I sat on my front step or worked in the front yard so I could keep an eye on them.

when I was a kid, a helluva long time ago, we could roam and roam all over the place. No worries, no trouble. At the ripe old age of 12, we'd ride our bikes a mile or so to a little country store and buy a Coke and a box of .22 shorts for a buck. Had our .22's right on our handlebars going along the highway. No one batted an eye. We'd head into the woods and shoot cans and snakes mostly. Aw how times have changed, and not for the better. Today, we'd be facing a SWAT team.

mrd — March 26, 2012 at 4:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It is kind of like the war criminal in the White House, the d behind their name makes up for all their shortcomings.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 4:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Way to bring it dee! Fired up and ready to go! The Mayor is a pedophile?

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.

"PORTLAND, Ore. — The mayor of Portland apologized Tuesday for lying about a sexual relationship with a male teenager he was mentoring three years ago, but asked the city to consider it an anomaly in two decades of public service."

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You beat me to it, nailingit:

Dee: When was Sam Adams ever convicted? You are tossing out a DSM IV paraphilic mental disorder diagnosis as if it were candy.

I'd be careful of doing so in a public forum, Dee.

manthou — March 26, 2012 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

thanks for the cite, **fro**

what..? no comments ??

DeeLittle — March 26, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have a suggestion for those who like to throw out mean with the nastiest of them.

Try Clark County Politics blogspot.


manthou — March 26, 2012 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*It is kind of like the war criminal in the White House, the d behind their name makes up for all their shortcomings.
frobert —*
um, Fro, the war criminal and torturer left WH a few years ago and he was an R.

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


some of us are wondering just what this hinton person did to turn everybody against him so much.

any input..?

DeeLittle — March 26, 2012 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.

First of all I am no fan of G.W.Bush, that aside however he did get the go ahead from congress prior to attacking Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush also did not to the best of my knowledge order the assignation of U.S. citizens. The only difference between them is the letter following their name, but that is all it takes for the democrats to change their tune.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

elisi- *I have to ask nailingit, what about police officers? There are those that have stepped over the boundaries and have molested and even raped.*

Policemen should be castrated, branded and imprisoned with the likes of Big Bubba & bros he helped put there. I know each case is nuanced and punishment would vary. I'd put this punishment towards the middle of the spectrum. And those who had knowledge need a special kick also.

Anyone in the public trust spotlight should be hit with a X whatever heavier punishment. I guaranty the Penn State situation would not have continued if coach thought a new living arrangement was probable involving guys with swastika's on their foreheads looking for a new toilet.

fro, how old was the teenager?

dee- Listen to manthou. Putting a name & face to that type of accusation without proof is wrong on several levels.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This "kid" was 18. Old enough for war and deciding his own sexuality.

dee you should retract

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Fro - Faking proof and evidence and therefore getting approval is criminal behavior in my opinion. But I rather not argue this for a few hours. We beg to differ.

Nail and everybody else: the worse the punishment, the better for these pedophiles. No matter who they are.

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 5:25 p.m
"fro, how old was the teenager?"
That varies depending on which party you talk too.

"dee- Listen to manthou. Putting a name & face to that type of accusation without proof is wrong on several levels."
The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that those that choose a life as a "public figure" have very limited recourse in libel cases.

"Policemen should be castrated, branded and imprisoned with the likes of Big Bubba & bros he helped put there"
The color of law statutes do provide for the death penalty for rape or sexual molestation under "color of law"

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.

Like I said perception of criminality is influenced by the letter following the name.

As far as I am concerned they are both criminally liable.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.

Even if he did wait until the child's 18th birthday, as he claimed, he was mentoring the child. Being in a position of authority and pressuring someone for sex is still improper.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — March 26, 2012 at 4:48 p.m

Oh yes, I too remember roaming the ponds behind the foothills for tadpoles in the summer and ice skating on them in the winter, playing "war", "cowboys" baseball etc for hours on end.
Our moms never had to worry about what was around the corner.
Mom could send me or my little brother alone to the store more than 10 blocks away for things.

Aww those were the days huh?

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 5:25 *if coach thought* By coach I meant the guy who witnessed Sanduski in the shower. Those in the know must be faced with harsh punishment if they lack the where with all to do the right thing. Maybe they'll get that where with all in a cell.

What the hell is wrong with some folks. It's hard for me to understand why some people take advantage of kids in this way. I see statistics with crimes against kids and it makes me sick. How can it be? I know it involves a type of mental illness/mindset and many times the abused become the abusers, but my God. I've been fortunate in my life never to have been emotionally/mentally/physically/sexually abused. For that I'm thankful. I'm also thankful for the empathy/compassion I have for those who have.

If you know something, do something.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit, I always ask..

1. How could any adult do that to a child?
2. How could any parent not believe the child when they do tell?
3. How can any parent not do something when they do know?

Most times the child is told not to tell or bad things will happen to them or their families.

Few friends that have been to Amsterdam have told of the disgusting things they witnessed there involving children. I always have wanted to go there cause one my grandmother's family came from Holland. I don't think I want to go after learning what goes on.
Then we have human trafficking, and Vancouver is right in the middle of the corridor.

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Anybody in the position of authority that commits an illegal sexual act on a subordinate or charge should be automatically sent to prison for a minimum of 25 years, that includes police, coaches, priests, teachers and mayors.

hawkeye — March 26, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Not certain how far you can trust the guy, but Beau Breedlove (Sam's boy) says they kissed twice when he was 17. And that Sam told him not to mention it to investigators.

roger — March 26, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Faking proof and evidence and therefore getting approval is criminal behavior in my opinion.*

luvithere — March 26, 2012 at 5:29 p.m

Hmm everything I have read shows that the Brits intelligence was the ones that gave GB the reports he used to get congress's approval.

ELISI — March 26, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry - my mistake - he told investigators he didn't tell Sam's lawyer. Anyhow, this inconsistency on his part is why Sam was prosecuted.

And here's another Oregonian article = it addresses numerous inconsistencies, but from their emphasis on numerous cell phone calls from Adams to Breedlove while 17, they're definitely planting a suspicion about when the relationship really began.

roger — March 26, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Perhaps it says something when it takes condemning sexual deviancy to bring about unanimous like minded thought in the basement. Evil without embrace*, is left to die on it's own. At least we all share this commonality.

That and a hate for lumpy mattresses, which I'm sure all can also agree with. Maybe...:)

*hey...who hugged Cheney?

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.

"I wish you cared half as much about a persons right to their own body as you do about controlling it"

When have I EVER posted anything that does not support a persons right to self determination? I have NEVER posted anything indicating support for government control over our bodies. You on the other hand have posted many times supporting government control over our bodies and our most basic autonomy.

Your argument is weak and without merit.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

elisi @ 7:18- Plausible deniability.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*When have I EVER posted anything that does not support a persons right to self determination?*


*Your argument is weak and without merit.*

So sayeth frobro. If my argument is "weak", then by definition must have some strength in order for you to properly assess in said self given format.........just sayin'.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.

I ask again, when have I ever advocated regulation over one's body? You are making unfounded claims and I am calling you out on them.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*I wish you cared half as much about a persons right to their own body as you do about controlling it..*

fro- If this is what you are referring to, my statement denotes emphasis, not restriction. Please quote so I may address it properly.

*I am calling you out on them.*

Man, I feel like I'm in school again. Relax fro. Kick it and play some tunes or something. Peace.

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.

Again, you have made false statements about my posts and my views, you should support your statement or retract them. I have never posted anything supporting government or anybody else controlling what someone does with their own body.

frobert — March 26, 2012 at 9:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Back in August I attempted to gather those people who were involved in the 1972 April 5th tornado for a 40 year reunion of survivors and rescuers. It didn't seem as if there were many from the (at that time) 4000 members of (You Know You Are From Vancouver If...) so I didn't pursue it further.

Now I am seeing a little more interest coming in on the event page I originally created with intent on a meet up near where the kids were rescued at Peter S. Ogden Elementary? I noticed "The old Peter S. Ogden Elementary School" group here:

So, either you meet up, online, or in person; your call! There are many of us bystanders that will be thinking of you and where we were when it happened this April 5 at noon. If you know someone who would like this information, please pass it on. Thanks

Were you a Fort Vancouver High School student that took part in the efforts to save children from the devastating effects of the tornado, April 5, 1972? Are you one of the victims who were trapped? Would you like to share your story? I’ve heard mention of vivid accounts of the disaster and wonder if it is just as fresh in your memory today as it was 40 years ago. I’ve also felt the compassion for others in words spoken of the survivors as well as those who did not make it. We’ve all thought about the actions of the high school kids who went directly to Peter S. Ogden for the kids. How is everyone doing today? If interested, or if you know someone who took part send them over!

Penny Bradford

HoPe — March 26, 2012 at 11:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Again, you have made false statements about my posts and my views,*

No...I haven't. Go pick somebody else's bone. Mines taken. Some of you republicans can be annoying at times. :)

Basil? You are needed!

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 12:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

tuesday morning' ta the basement crew. prolly a rainy day, but welcome to all the family anyway :)

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 12:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 12:30 a.m.

What makes you think Basil would back up your false statements?
You made a claim, you should be willing to back it up.

frobert — March 27, 2012 at 6:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Sarah Palin: Rick Santorum Showed Strength, Character By Cursing At 'New York Times' Reporter**

"So when I heard Rick Santorum's response, I was like 'Well, welcome to my world, Rick. And good on ya. Don't retreat, you are saying enough is enough,' and I was glad that he called out this reporter, and he and the other candidates -- all of them -- they need to do more of this, because believe me, the American people are tired of what that leftist media continues to do to conservatives."

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit AND frobert, wouldn't you say there's always someone around to complain about something...especially when it doesn't agree with their POV? Politicians are no different.

Sometimes we *all* have to come to the realization that it's okay to agree to disagree just to keep things on a civil playing field.

goldenoldie — March 27, 2012 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Nation's First Boombox-Carrying, Rollerskating Congressman Broke Boundaries**,26944/

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit...hail to the Champions (U of M study on Women's wages)

On a serious note, we hear of these studies...some more credible than others...but then again, I'm curious as to what the margin of error was in this study. I noticed they utilized the phrase "the more likely..." which to me is a scapegoat. That's like saying "The I-5 Bridge is more likely to suffer damage, should there be an earthquake." Generalized direct correlation between an earthquake, the magnitude of the earthquake and the type of damage the bridge would suffer.

Guess we should keep an open mind on it, huh!

goldenoldie — March 27, 2012 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

go- Study a little iffy. It makes sense that wages are increased given the less down time/complications due to unwanted pregnancy. I think it's relevant in that we don't consider some of these things when politicians are try to strip American women of the basic dignity of having control over their body. I think what fro is harping about was my complaint that he and others that are part of this "tea party libertarianism" spend little or no time on these matters. It's easier to refer to them as "scare tactics" rather than address them. Instead they want his birth certificate and call him a war criminal.

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal

'Grasping at straws' is one thing....Santorum is an idiot. Is this mainstream conservative thinking? (Idon't know)... Santorum is an idiot.

**Santorum hits Obama's Trayvon comments to conservative talkers, not national ones**

Rick Santorum told conservative radio host Scott Hennen a little bit ago, when asked if President Obama was "pouring gas on our racial fire, over the Trayvon Martin death, said, "It's clear the president has been not a uniting figure on an issue that, I think many Americans thought he would be. And it’s very tragic and to take a horrible situation like that and inject this issue, which, you know, may be a factor, may not be a factor, but even if it is a factor, it’s one… If it is a factor, it’s obviously one sick man and to use that instead of just saying, as a healing president would do, try to bring people together, but instead try to divide people is really a sad, tragic legacy of this president.”

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Man, that Elwood Bonner is a real card, isn't he? Have you seen his latest LttE?

When I read that in the dead tree version of the "C" I was thinking I'd have to pull together *another* rebutting LttE. After reading the Facebooker's comments I've decided to let it go.

As Bugs would say:

Drift — March 27, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 8:21 a.m

OK, I know I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning but I read that statement three times and still don't understand it. Is it a factor or not a factor and on top of that, what IS the factor? That's as clear as mud.

Yup, this is Presidential material.

hawkeye — March 27, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm not what you'd call a "mainstream conservative", but, I have been mulling some questions over since the shooting took place.

No one yet has answers to my questions, maybe those who post here do..
So I will throw out a few here and see what I get..

1. Why is the family so upset about the release of info about the boys detention? Makes me wonder what are they trying to hide.

2. Would the media have gone to this length in reporting if this boy would have been, say, Jewish, Arab, Native American, Asian, or (gasp) white?

3. Would Jackson and Sharpton along with community leaders be vocal if it were a boy that wasn't from the black community?

Children are killed every day in this country, be it shootings, stabbings, car wrecks, kidnapping, by the hands of parents and total strangers. Why do they not get the media coverage and outrage from the communities like this?

ELISI — March 27, 2012 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, I'm right there with you.

I saw a video yesterday about this shooting and the guy that did the shooting has been told by the police NOT to talk about it until he gets to the Grand Jury, so the actual story of his side hasn't been told yet. I suspect there is a lot more to this than what we have heard. And yes you are correct. What about all the drive by shootings, are they not killings of innocent, unarmed people? Where is Jackson and Sharpton when these occur?

I also thought that the guy that did the shooting (Zimmerman, I think) looked Hispanic or partially.

hawkeye — March 27, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


From what I read, Zimmerman is white/hispanic.

I really do think there is a whole lot more to this than what we are being allowed to know.

I also noticed the picture of the victim sure makes him look like he's about 10-12 yrs old not 17-18.

ELISI — March 27, 2012 at 10:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The coppers didn't arrest the cat, even with all of the hoopla. -Then- the head-copper took a hiatus, or maybe flat out quit, I don't recall.

Myself, I think that's telling.

And that's all I gotta say about that.

Drift — March 27, 2012 at 11:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


if it was a white kid and the adult died, it'd be white kid and hispanic victim. but i digress....

zimmerman told police martin attacked him. the police report records injuries consistent with being attacked; the back of his head was bleeding, his face was bleeding, and there were scrapes and bruising on his head. a witness, who is remaining anonymous (what...don't want to be targeted by the panthers??) says martin walked up to zimmerman, saying "you got a problem with me, man? YOU GOT A A PROBLEM WITH ME??" then knocked zimmerman down and began to beat his head against the concrete.

more is coming to light about the stellar character of martin; drug-user, possession of jewelery and a burglary tool, suspended from school for graffiti and there are unvetted stories that he attacked a bus driver.

course, you have to go to the international press to find *these* details

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Carl Sagan was a drug-user, Dee.

Just sayin' ;^)

Drift — March 27, 2012 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

* a reply from matt to my email:*

Dee, give me a call, and let's talk. My number is 360-735-xxxx. I'm in until 4 today but will be around until 5 the rest of the week.


* i call him? this negates my wanting it in the open....*

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Call Matt and get this sorted out.

ELISI — March 27, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Florida has a law: "The 'Stand Your Ground' law itself is an expansion of the 'Castle' Laws that give people some rights in protecting themselves, their families and their property in a day and age of increasingly savage violence and lawlessness. Both of these laws have provisions however that put a burden of responsibility on anyone who chooses to use deadly force and each case of the same must be examined to make certain those provisions are met.

Since no one wants to confront the issues of why we are such a violent nation and lead the world in incarcerations per capita, the least we can do is allow law abiding citizens the chance to defend themselves with legally registered weapons. No such burden will be placed on the lawbreaker who isn't much concerned about the legal status of their weapons or any legal distinctions of how they will use them."

soapbox4u — March 27, 2012 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.,

The Oregonian has an article today that has some of the same info - that young Trayvan might not have been such a little angel after all.

However, as a rule, our PD's tend to haul a shooter off to jail, and allow the DAs, lawyers and courts to sort out the part about whether to hold him. Wonder why this case is different?

roger — March 27, 2012 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi @ 9:15 I just know what I hear. A good way to look at this is, what if it happened to your kid? Would you be satisfied with the investigation.

When people focus primarily on the race issue, it dehumanizes the situation. Empathy, compassion, and objective reasoning becomes lost.

*Why is the family so upset about the release of info about the boys detention? Makes me wonder what are they trying to hide.*

Because the cops are the ones who leaked it. They are disparaging the character of their son to cover their asses. I smoked dope at seventeen and was in trouble at school. Not grounds to justify shooting me dead! An unarmed juvenile who was shot dead in the street by someone who has character issues to include multiple arrests involving violence. With no breathalyzer or background check done on the guy standing over a dead unarmed kid. Amazing police work! Would you be content with this if your had drawn his last breath?

*According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that’s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer …*

*Would the media have gone to this length in reporting if this boy would have been, say, Jewish, Arab, Native American, Asian, or (gasp) white?

I don't know. When most blacks get gunned down in the street it's not even back page news. Now a black killing a white.....that's never news. ;)

Would Jackson and Sharpton along with community leaders be vocal if it were a boy that wasn't from the black community?*

Most likely not. Why should they be? They are black civil rights activists focused on the needs of the black community. I'm sure their plate is full on a daily basis.

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and possibly heard on the tape is Zimmerman referring to Trayvon Martin as a F'ing c--n.

Then there's that.

It's hard to believe parents in this forum would be happy with this investigation and current non arrest of Zimmerman if this was your child. Your son. Your unarmed young man who will never find out what it means to be a grown man because a self-appointed wrongfully armed "neighborhood watch captain," disobeyed neighborhood watch guidelines, disobeyed police orders not to follow, then this joker with a violent criminal background shoots him dead.

It ain't right.

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***Passengers subdue 'screaming' JetBlue captain as mid-air rant diverts flight***

*A JetBlue flight captain had to be tackled by passengers today after he ran up and down a packed flight screaming about "terrorism" and "al Qaeda" in a terrifying mid-air outburst.
“Say your prayers!” the crazed pilot screamed as he ran up and down the aisle, a passenger told The Post.*

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

According to a story I read on CNN, there is a witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him and smashing his head on the concrete. Zimmerman was screaming for help. The witness shouted break it up, then went in his house and locked the door. He heard a single gunshot, looked out and saw Martin on the lawn, presumably dead. This corroborates Zimmerman's account rather well. I think I'd wait to weigh in on whodunnit in this case, might end up looking silly with egg on my face.

mrd — March 27, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

soapbox4u@ 1:04 PM: Why does the US incarcerate more people than any country per capita? Why are we running out of jail space in our own state (according to Seattle Times)?

The question I ask is this: Are we safer for all the incarcerations? Could the money be better spent on programs that work?

Could our liberal gun laws have anything to do with an increase in violence and crime?

Massachusetts thinks so.

Florida doesn't.

manthou — March 27, 2012 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It was a sad commentary, made by the Supreme Court, ruling against Washington DC's ban on handguns. In their ruling, they wrote basically Americans need guns to protect ourselves from each other. This is who & what we are, one violent society.

We accept on a daily basis a level of violence that no other "developed" country would. As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

mrd — March 27, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 27, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.

"Could our liberal gun laws have anything to do with an increase in violence and crime?"

Murder is at a 40 year low, rape is at a 30 year low and assault is at a 35 year low.

frobert — March 27, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


are you attributing those #'s to our gun laws? I don't.

mrd — March 27, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Zimmerman perused and assaulted Martian, He should be prosecuted. Even if Martian did instigate a confrontation(which I doubt) it was after he had been followed and felt threatened. It is irrelevant if Martian had at some time smoked a joint or had a screwdriver at school. Martians only crime when he was killed was being a colored child in a gated community.

frobert — March 27, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — March 27, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.

I am from the state of Maine, Maine has the highest gun ownership and the lowest violent crime, inversely, Washington D.C. has the lowest gun ownership and the highest violent crime, you figure it out.

frobert — March 27, 2012 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro: Thanks for the stats at 4:54. That's reassuring, but help me understand why we incarcerate so many people in the US and why, in spite of it, we feel the need for vigilante justice.

It is an illusion of protection, so why are we throwing our precious and dwindling tax dollars into programs that don't work.

manthou — March 27, 2012 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 27, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.

We incarcerate non violent drug offenders, because people and government cannot mind their own business and allow self determination. I have very little problem with people using all means to protect themselves and their own. That however, differs from vigilante justice.

frobert — March 27, 2012 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — March 27, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.

"It was a sad commentary, made by the Supreme Court, ruling against Washington DC's ban on handguns"

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

frobert — March 27, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It is what SOCIETY is: multitudes of people that have differences in just about everything a person could name (race, religion, gender, favorite grocery store, etc.). I have no finite answer on how to forever resolve the conflicts these differences will create.

soapbox4u — March 27, 2012 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

as you said, "a well regulated militia" was written when the US government couldn't afford a standing army back in 1788 or whatever. Today, with the "defense" budget out of line with GDP, is it still relevant?

I don't want to start an arguement, but reality is flying in the face of your position, and this simplistic interpretation of the intent of the Constitution is silly.

mrd — March 27, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There are two different stories coming out on the Martin killing, with unknown witnesses on both sides.

What continues to get me is that the police apparently released him on the spot. How often does that happen?

roger — March 27, 2012 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And to get less serious for a moment...

Possibly the greatest rock band post-Led Zeppelin paying tribute to the god of a whole genre of music - Metallica backing Ozzie at the 2009 R&R; HOF concert.

roger — March 27, 2012 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***Homeowner, 80, charged in shooting of burglar: 'Unjust that I can't protect me'***,0,3175723.story

*"Awakened by his 75-year-old wife, Wright confronted a 19-year-old burglar who had broken through some plywood over a bathroom window in hopes of stealing liquor, according to police. Wright grabbed his 38.caliber pistol, loaded with four rounds, and shot the intruder in the leg."*

and then there's this....

*"Because of prior weapons convictions, Wright was charged with unlawful use of a weapon, sparking calls by his family and neighbors for prosecutors to back down.*"

i think i'd rather risk being arrested for protecting myself and spouse than risk dying.

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*"I don't want to start an arguement, but reality is flying in the face of your position, and this simplistic interpretation of the intent of the Constitution is silly."

if you didn't want to start an argument, why did you call frobert 'silly'?

there's debate, then there's insults.

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*MARCH 27--With Twitter and Facebook continuing to explode with posts purporting to contain the address of George Zimmerman, property records and interviews reveal that the home is actually the longtime residence of a married Florida couple, both in their 70s, who have no connection to the man who killed Trayvon Martin and are now living in fear due to erroneous reports about their connection to the shooter.
The mass dissemination of the address on Edgewater Circle in Sanford--the Florida city where Martin was shot to death last month--took flight last Friday when director Spike Lee retweeted a tweet containing Zimmerman’s purported address to his 240,000 followers.*

it's time to start prosecutions for outrageous behavior like this. if someone at this address is injured or (God forbid) murdered, these hate-peddlers should be prosecuted as the instigators they are.

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

soapbox4u — March 27, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.

Excellent, excellent post!

goldenoldie — March 27, 2012 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Everyone on the forum, I believe the issue with young Mister Martin and Mr. Zimmerman is just a visual of the beginning of an era none of us want to admit to...and the age of the perps are younger too. Take for instance...the third grader on the Evergreen School Bus who allegedly pepper sprayed a fellow student. Was that an accident or was it intentional??? It was considered an assault...premeditated??? Did the child even understand the implications of carrying such a device and using it on another IF they in fact committed this attack?

Also, we're hearing of more home invasion robberies than ever before...with many resulting in someone dying, either the resident or the perp. There's just too many factors which are causing these attacks to happen...economic, exposure to movies and video games perhaps, both parents working, struggling single parents, peer pressure, drugs/alcohol, leniency of who has the right to keep and bear arms...just too many variables.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I read on one of the news sites back east that Mr. Zimmerman had a run in with the law in the past as well (not sure if there was a conviction, though)...possibly shoving a police officer to the ground as well as domestic violence. If that's so...then I'd be asking why was he packing a pistol in the first place??? Now maybe Trayvon did actually assault Mr. Zimmerman as was reported by a witness...but Zimmerman looked to be a lot heftier than Trayvon according to the photos. All I know is only time will tell and hopefully the facts will speak for themselves in this matter.

And what's with the kids saying they were attacked by thugs at Regal Van Plaza Cinemas??? I'd sure like to know more about this story. It was on KPTV's website yesterday...the article entitled "Teens Say they wee attacked outside Vancouver Theater." At any rate, the case was handed over to the Gang Task Force.

goldenoldie — March 27, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


yeah.. i'd like to see that, too. heard it on the radio news, but not a hint of it here.

DeeLittle — March 27, 2012 at 10:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HoPe — March 26, 2012 at 11:18 p.m.

Penny, the mother of a good friend of mine was killed in the bowling alley saving kids in the daycare. The family has been interviewed over the years. I have another friend that was in Peter S. Ogden that day and survived a brick wall that collapsed on him. I will be passing those links along to them.

Rightwing_Extremist — March 28, 2012 at 1:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It's been a while, I thought I would start things out by reminding you that you are wrong, not in a specific, but a general all around kinda way. Posting links to Huffpo is always a dead giveaway. Have a good day.

Rightwing_Extremist — March 28, 2012 at 1:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Should be an interesting morning. Sit back and have a cup o' joe. The show's about to start. Turn all cell phones off and don't snicker too loud. It might upset the animals. Put your pets in a spare bedroom. Make the kids leave the room. Quiet, the house lights are dimming. DOWN IN FRONT!!!

I would like to know why the family of Martin's want's to trademark his name. Apparently they don't get any money for the concessions. There was a program on BET Monday night that spent half an hour on the virtues of Martin. The show also pointed out that Zimmerman is in hiding. Tuesday they come out with Martin's criminal past. When I watched the show I was beginning to lean in favor of Martin, but with the news the next morning I went back to sitting on the fence again.Thusan

JohnCasey — March 28, 2012 at 5:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JohnCasey — March 28, 2012 at 5:15 a.m

I caught a little of that last night on the 11 o'clock news. His Mom wants to trademark two of the common sayings involving his name. It made me think that she had extensive conversations with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson and a lawyer. Sounds like it's becoming a real "payback" situation, although I have no idea who will be paying her to use his name.

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Rightwing Extremist!!! Good to see you're still around. I hope you comment more often. The forum has been a tad bit off balance lately!!!


Regarding the case in Florida between the Neighborhood Watch volunteer and the teenager...I am going to hold my personal opinion from hereon out regarding the case...till it's over. I have a feeling this will continue to be blown out of proportion (no thanks to the Jackson/Sharpton publicity stunt which seems to surface a lot in cases like these)...and now there's a bounty on the guy's head by the "New" Black Panthers??? And Nationwide protests??? I think everyone should take a chill pill...the parents should be diligent in finding out the absolute truth in the case...and if charges are warranted, then the guy should be prosecuted. If he had the law on his side, it will then go to civil well as a lot of proposals for new laws in Florida...possibly across the country.'s going to get ugly.

goldenoldie — March 28, 2012 at 7:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 27, 2012 at 1:57 p.m

Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday, life happens and that is to be dealt with first.

There is just too many unanswered question in this situation.
I threw a couple out there yesterday and still no answers.

Today I ask..why did the mother trademark his name? For what purpose? I have never ever heard of any parent doing such.
Did the Korman's trademark their son's name?

You asked if it were me would I be satisfied with the investigation?
I have not read anywhere where the investigation is done and closed as of yet. If it were my child, yes I'd want every rock overturned, every lead followed..

Why was this kids FB account deleted? Why is the media using a picture of Trayvon that is clearly more than 5 yrs old?
Why has the Black Panthers put a bounty on Zimmerman?
Why did Spike Lee take it upon himself to let thousands know where Zimmerman lives?
Oh nailingit, there are many, many questions unanswered.

Ask your self nailingit, is Sharpton and Jackson really civil rights leaders doing their job helping Trayvon's parents get justice or are they in it to be in the limelight for themselves?
To stir the guilt pot once again. Are we not ALL innocent until PROVEN guilty? Seems to me that the media, people, including you have Zimmerman guilty and at the hanging gallows before the investigation is even closed

Is this TRULY the way Dr Martin Luther King would have handled this?
I don't think so.

ELISI — March 28, 2012 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, it really makes me wonder what the world is coming to. Did Trayvon's Mother wake up the day after the shooting and say, hey my son's dead, how can I make money off of this? This whole thing just blows me away. Exactly why are so many people up in arms without KNOWING the real story?

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It has been a while welcome back. I have said it many times that if your quoting typically from one source "Huffffpo" it is what it is... It's a rag like many other rags, just like this rag. they all have there leanings and most are very Left leaning with very narrow views. Oh yea then you have the Big O accross the river too... Balance is what is needed in life and on here.. Hope to see you again soon.

vanwadreamer — March 28, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't know..I do know that the media and the likes of Sharpton and Jackson have fed the frenzy.

They all three have played the race card way too many time, like the story of the boy who cried wolf?

ELISI — March 28, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My opinion is that for the most part people are generally pissed off at everything and that this has been an outlet for them (the ones that are the most angry) to act out. They really don't need any more of a reason than a suggestion of wrong doing to get them going. I think a lot of it stems from the economy, the gas prices, the election could even have had a partial effect. All in all, there is just a lot of unrest in the U.S. right now.

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye if one adds all of it together..what you said plus the feeding of the frenzy..I'd have to say right on!

ELISI — March 28, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I really think you've hit the nail on the head for many americans. The media has blown this whole 99% thing out of the water changing how the everyone is being taken advantage of by the "Ultra" wealthy. In addition of the whole wealth redistribution theory being pushed by many in the media and the occupy groups... most in polictics today will be doing exactly the opposite of what there preaching when they leave office. There just flapping there mouths right now sounding like there really supporting the little guys and less fortunate but upon leaving office they'll take everything the governement and there cronies supported them with..People buy into this so easily, thats how BHO got elected...

You are also spot on with your comments... These peole are like vultures and anytime they can get airtime they continue to say things that divide more than bring people together..
I had to laugh last night when I heard JF was going to play Nancy in an upcomming movie...One movie I won't watch

vanwadreamer — March 28, 2012 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Preliminary reports are saying the health care laws are going to go down in the supreme court. If it's the old 5-4 split, I for one, will finally dismiss the supreme court as a bunch of politicians that dress funny.

One justice said the need for "judicial activism" was a concern. Another was concerned about the effect on the insurance industry.

And I thought these folks were to decide the constitutionality of the laws. Dopey me.

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.

Forcing the American public to buy something from a private company would be an unprecedented reach of federal authority. I would be really surprised if none of the more liberal elements of the court don't vote to overturn the law.

frobert — March 28, 2012 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — March 28, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.

You mean like car insurance?

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hello fellow subversives. anybody follow the supremes yesterday? interesting questioning by our highest court.


DeeLittle — March 28, 2012 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.

"You mean like car insurance??

First of all I am unaware of any federal law requiring car insurance, could you please cite a statute?

Also, auto insurance is a prerequisite for driving, the health insurance mandate is a prerequisite for life.

frobert — March 28, 2012 at 1:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye and frobert,

Car insurance is required by the lender, and by some of the states, not by the federal government.

Where health insurance isn't not required by state, with the healthcare bill it would be required (forced) by the federal government.

No one forces me to drive, and I do not want the federal government to force me to buy health insurance.
What right does the federal government have to force anyone to buy anything? Last time I checked, they don't.

ELISI — March 28, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nope, car insurance it required by the state as well as the lender otherwise a cop couldn't give you a ticket for not having it. Regardless, it's still government required. And yes, it's only for drivers or vehicle owners but that is a large percent of us, isn't it?

I think the President messed up on this one. He should have just mandated Medicare for everyone. It's already in place and if your employer wants to contribute, he can pay for parts B & D.

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gotta wonder, if a republican governor presses health care reform in Mass which also mandates health insurance purchases, where was the state or federal supreme courts on that? As most R's are against Obama's health care mandate, you gotta wonder if they're really oppossed to being required to buy health insurance, or if they don't want Obama's plan to require them. Which brings up a quandry for Romney, how's he going to critize Obama's plan this fall when it was modeled after his own?

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 1:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.

Although I am not a Romney fan, read the tenth amendment, if the state has that authority, then the federal government does not.

frobert — March 28, 2012 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***completely off-topic***

..anybody know where i can buy a double-usb cable?

and here i thought my scan issues were resolved

DeeLittle — March 28, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

double? double what? length or two side by side?

hawkeye — March 28, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Check out Best buy or Office Max

ELISI — March 28, 2012 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm not one of those that adhere to the Constitution verbatim, and in DC, I've got a lot of company. I wouldn't give the now very political supreme court much of a chance of doing it either. Strict adherance to the Constitution makes great parlor talk, but little else.

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

know what's outrageous?

going before the supreme court, and lying.

going before the supreme court, and playing political word games.

now, the obamamess was 'bipartisan'. gee. how does one get 'bipartisan' from ONE republican vote in BOTH houses? when republicans were literally shut out of meetings? when republicans had no input whatsoever in the bill? which brings up ....

now the forced-purchase of insurance isn't an 'individual mandate' anymore, it's 'individual responsibility'. and a conservative one at that.


DeeLittle — March 28, 2012 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


washington state is 3rd highest in "american's least corrupt states' list

"3. Washington
> Overall Grade: B- (83%)
> Public access to information: B-
> Legislative accountability: B+
> Political financing: C+
> Ethics enforcement agencies: B-

Washington stands out among states for its exemplary level of transparency. In 1972, the state was the first to pass a Public Records Act, which is a series of laws intended to guarantee public access to public records of government bodies at all levels. The state has strict ethics laws and campaign disclosure laws, and an Open Public Meetings Act that requires transparency. The state’s judiciary are elected directly by citizens at all levels. State legislature committee meetings and floor action are open to the public and often featured on state television. However, recent budget cutbacks have had an impact on many types of disclosure or ethics investigations, the State Integrity Investigation notes"

DeeLittle — March 28, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

the "Free Beacon"? might as well quote any anti-Obama source. Not saying the health care reform act is the answer to all, but to quote such a source is ridiculous. It's a perfect illlustration of how polarized every, and I mean every, issue has become. No wonder our Congress is a joke, they seem to cater to our crap, and we're as entrenched in our positions-as a whole-as we would have them be. Gridlock in DC, why does that happen? Your mirror will expose the folks responsible.

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

it's interesting to watch the gopper's eat their own as they're doing on the national level. Locally, as Boldt has been told, it's our way or the highway, rememeber that. Apparently, the gopper's and baggers don't want a consensus, they want a stalwart consenus-taking no prisoners. While I applaud their efforts-some consider compromise as simply kicking the can down the road-these guys are unreal. Reveals their mindset-compromise sucks. Bipatisianship anyone? NOT! Maybe we're past the need for such. It seems political wrangling is gone-look out!

mrd — March 28, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*the "Free Beacon"? might as well quote any anti-Obama source.***mrd** that out of your system, i hope. now ... refute the information.

DeeLittle — March 29, 2012 at 12:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What are wrong with parents these days.You're in an airplane and your kids start to act up. 3 year old AND an 8 year old cause a plane to be greeted by security when it lands.

The parents should have secured their children. With force. You do not let them run the asylum. A good swat might have been in order. I have had incidences where my children started to act up in public and before it escalated to a full temper-tantrum I took them out of the situation. It's not the same on a plane but there are other ways to handle it.

You do not try to reason with them. That is not the time or place to try that. Your law is the law. These two children will go through life thinking they won't be held accountable.

The parents should also be held to the same standards. Instead they got a pass. WHY???

JohnCasey — March 29, 2012 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Gotta love these high publicity cases. The latest news releases are showing Zimmerman cuffed and walking into the police station, and having no bruises or cuts to his face. It also says the police department did in fact want to detain him - on some sort of manslaughter charge - but they were overruled by the DA's office. This is a change from what the police chief said earlier.

I guess this is our next Peterson/Anthony/ case - I'll have to turn on the lawyer lady TV shows and see what they want me to think....

roger — March 29, 2012 at 6:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I thought Canada had a flawless health care system for all. Guess if your sister nation doesn't have an agreement with yours, the people are up you know what creek without a paddle. The only good news in this article is the fact that the couple's baby girl is healthy.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

There are two statues in a park; One of a nude man and one of a nude woman.

They had been facing each other across a pathway for a hundred years, when one day an angel comes down from the sky and, with a single gesture, brings the two to life!!!!!!!!

The angel tells them, 'As a reward for being so patient through a hundred blazing summers and dismal winters, you have been given life for thirty minutes to do what you've wished to do the most.'

He looks at her, she looks at him, and they go running behind the shrubbery.

The angel waits patiently as the bushes rustle and giggling ensues.

After fifteen minutes , the two return, out of breath and laughing. The angel tells them, 'Um, you have fifteen minutes left, would you care to do it again?'

He asks her 'Shall we?'

She eagerly replies, 'Oh, yes, let's! But let's change positions....This time, I'll hold the pigeon down and you crap on its head!'


commonguy — March 29, 2012 at 7:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Okay folks...are you all caught up in the Mega Millions mania yet???? The C apparently is with two articles promoting it, even mentioning the two stores which have the better odds in winning. According to the latest figures, the odds are 1 in 176 million.

Media Hype at it's finest??? (sorry Columbian) I do have to laugh at the article which describes how to spend 500 million in the county. Who's going to be idiotic enough to fund light rail for 194 years???? Paul Suarez (Andrea and Eric as well), thanks for the good laugh on that one. My monitor needed a clean up anyhow...even before that mouthful of coffee *showered* it!!!

Lesson learned - I've got to stop drinking coffee while on the computer.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 7:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Commonguy!!!! Glad to see you here!!! Humor is the BEST remedy for a rainy day!!!

(And I won't tell what I was thinking!)

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 7:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

i read where one justice of the supreme court was concerned how the health care reform law would impact the insurance industry. average cost to insure a family of 4 in 2002 was $9500/yr. That cost is projected to rise to $20,000/yr this year. seems it wouldn't be asking the justice too much to consider that.

mrd — March 29, 2012 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What would they care? They don't live in a reality world, they don't pay for their healthcare and never will. I don't know how they can "judge" when they aren't in touch with reality. On the other hand, aren't they supposed to be considering ONLY the constitutionality of the bill?

hawkeye — March 29, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Morning all!

Good to see you posting commonguy!


Just for my husband and myself he is paying over 12,000 a yr for insurance. Co-pays for drs are 35, 45, 500
medicine is 25, 50, 75
They don't cover chiropractors so have to pay out of pocket for that.
We have to go to one of their eye doctors for our glasses or they don't pay and they pay very little on dental if you go outside their list of providers.

On my emergency inhaler..the full cost is 125, my co-pay is 75.
Now the company has taken the potassium off the generic $4 list and is charging full price for it. So I pay out of my pocket at $4 if I went through the ins company I'd have to pay a co-pay of 25 for it. go figure THAT one!

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk-that's what I thought they'd do, but....

elisi-sounds like we're in the same boat, about $12,000/yr in premiums, no prescrition, dental of vision coverage. My wife uses insulin and I have a few prescritions, so we're out about $18,000/yr, and that's if we don't go to a doctor or dentist. Kaiser insurance, btw.

mrd — March 29, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Not knowing what your copay is on your wifes test strips, sometimes it makes more sense to buy them on craigslist near expiration or expired. There is a very tiny battery in the meter (not the main battery) that you can rip out and your meter will be able to use old test strips.

commonguy — March 29, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Here is a link to health care plans in our area. seems like 20K can be reduced depending on health and age. Helath care reform should be very high on our elected officials list, but "Bi-Partisanship" is nessessary to get something of quality done. The current plan in front of the supreme court however needs to be thrown out. No one should be forced to buy something by/from the government, nor be fined if you don't offer a plan to your employees or have a plan yourself for gosh sakes. There are a few steps that should be taken but our elected officials and insurance companies don't want to go there...

vanwadreamer — March 29, 2012 at 10:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone else besides me remember County Hospitals that offered medical care for seniors, those without insurance and people that couldn't afford medical care for free?

What happened to them?

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

County hospitals offered free care? Well I would assume the FREE thing started to cost too much and they went away like everything else that used to be free. One can't even get ICE at the 7-11 for free anymore...Free is a very good price and he is gone too. Oh and the other montra, what are the best things in life that are still free? Anyone got some answers on that....

vanwadreamer — March 29, 2012 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Best things in life that is free? Your family and their love!

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 11:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Lots of stuff is still free. A smile, a laugh, the sun, rain, love, a hug (one of my favorites), walking in the woods, on the beach, splashing in the river/lake/ocean, etc. Ya gotta love life.

hawkeye — March 29, 2012 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI and Hawkeye...I like the way you two think!!!!

Free is a very good price (thanks Tom Petersen for that quote).

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye and Golden,

My all time favorite thing to do is horseback ride in the woods..

When in high school some friends and I would trailer horse up to
Idaho City and a few other places.. go horseback riding around the woods..we'd come across old cemeteries and stop to do "rubs" of the tombstones.
Funniest saying on one I'll never forget..Here lays XXX XXXX he didn't draw his gun fast enough"

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I was hoping for those thoughts.. Hawk... I like to take drives but gas is pricey but the veiws are great...
Elsie, family like my kids.. How come I'm broke then:) Lots of Hand me Downs though... I like it when they call to say hello and I love you, then I say how much do you need...LOL

vanwadreamer — March 29, 2012 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Two loaves of bread out of the oven, brownies in the oven, now to get the stew finished.

Hey Golden have you ever tried to freeze your bread dough? If so did still bake up as good as fresh?

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL vanwadreamer, any of us that has kids have gone through that..but still wouldn't trade our families or kids for no amount.

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Right on...But do you have room for a 19yr old goingon 27 ...LOL
I like brownies, Do you deliver???...

vanwadreamer — March 29, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL nope vanwadreamer no room..I still have a 23 yr old at home.

and no I don't deliver....LOL well I do if you're ill :)

After June, hopefully he will decided to sign with the Navy, he is still looking into jobs he'd like.
He was invited to go on a Tiger Cruise on a carrier for a week.
I think after the cruise is done he'll be in a hurry to finish the signing.

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

and a rainy hello to the basement today.

free...finding out that daffodils have naturalized the edge of my lawn....having a mallard tap on my glass patio door to get my attention....watching a pair of bluejays swoop down for peanuts while the squirrels are too timid to cross the lawn...sunrises from the 6th floor of the blue cross building in portland (when i worked there)....can't buy any of this stuff at any price.

DeeLittle — March 29, 2012 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

He will definitely sign after the cruise... I have two sons in the Army, One over in the Afghan hills and another in Texas now... They actually like what they do... I just wish we as America wasn't over fighting a war we'll never win nor solve many problems but loose many lives. I think I have a cough comming on though, does that qualify as ill:)

vanwadreamer — March 29, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vanwadreamer!!!!!

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

GO, I used to really like Tom Peterson, (and Gloria too)and his "free is a very good price". He and my Dad had the same haircut. It seems though, that every time I walked out of his store, it was NEVER free. Oh well, that was then.

I forgot to add one free thing, the love I feel when when I'm here writing on my laptop in my recliner and my cat jumps up and snuggles in between my legs and falls asleep all safe and sound. Can't beat it.

hawkeye — March 29, 2012 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Aww Hawkeye....cute!

My dog comes and gets in my bed, lays down and rests her head on my shoulder in the mornings. Stays there until I tell her good morning...then she jets off for the backdoor to go out.

Also she rests her head on my shoulder when I am driving..stands on the backseat, front legs on the jock-box between the front seats..if we take her in the pickup, she sits on the jock-box between the seats. Lays her head on either mine or hubbys shoulder.

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Vanwadreamer @1:36 pm

My oh my, the gift you are giving your kids by utilizing hand me downs!!! I'm not being sarcastic, either. You are doing everything right in teaching the younger generation to be thrifty and to get the best use out of those "Hand Me Downs" and to pass them onto the next person when they are done. The problem with massive debt in today's society is because of pride. Too many folks had to buy brand new and didn't want to check with others to see if they knew of others who might have something they'd like to pass on. Would you rather have massive debt or would you rather be comforted knowing your kids are learning a valuable lesson in life? Take pride in your life, vanwadreamer. Also...regarding your kids and you having to ask "how much do you need???" I have experienced that occasionally with my kids as well...and it stems from generation to generation. I remember asking my parents as well. It's a family thing, you know.

It's hard times we're living right now. Of course we don't want our kids to endure an even harder time so we help when we can.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 3:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI...ohhh, do I miss riding horseback in the woods!!! Especially in the spring when the wild violets are in bloom!!!


Hawkeye...I hear ya. It's like a buy one get one free advertisement. You're still paying for one item in order to get that "freebie." Clever marketing strategy. I don't know why they don't just say "buy two at half price!"

One free thought I have is when I'm sitting in my recliner and my mother's aging dachshund who has adopted US is sitting on my lap and turns her head around, lays her ears back in happiness, tail wagging and her big brown eyes (one now blue from cataracts) are as round as silver dollars. And it all comes out of the though she is a wind up toy. You've got to watch out for that tongue though...she's quick on the draw and will nail your nose rather quickly and anybody who has ever owned older dachsies...their breath'd have to experience it yourself. She's really a sweetheart...the most loyal and devoted dog I've ever had (tied with my dear departed angel yellow lab, Bubba).

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI, I've never frozen my bread dough. The family doesn't give my bread enough time to stay around long enough. BTW, I've made three loaves of French bread and three loaves of my sweet-dough sandwich bread...along with a batch of baked potatoes which we like to use the leftovers the next morning for hash browns.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle, you sound like you have quite a little wildlife sanctuary by your house. I take it the mallard came from the pond near your home? Talk about wonderful free entertainment!!! We've got this one squirrel who frequents our bird feeder every day and whenever other squirrels come near her, she'll literally do back flips. Someone's been feeding her by hand though (not a good thing)...she'll run right up to us for a hand out.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Okay guys and gals, I promise this is my last comment for a while but my curiosity is up. Anybody notice that Luvithere, Frobert, Manthou, Soapbox4u and Nailingit haven't posted for a couple of days???

Just wonderin'.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 3:58 p.m

I posted 3 times yesterday, nothing so far today that I have cared to comment on.

frobert — March 29, 2012 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Frobert, thanks for clarifying me on that point. We all have those days I guess.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now HERE'S a free moment worth sharing to everyone! It's a good one!!!

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think its time for a change, you know our C's own weather guy Mr Tim... I'm tired of him and his forecast.... I read it again today like I do everyday and he also wrote a speel today on the back page...He says we can look forward to April pretty much being the same as march ARG.... I guess we'll just have to wait till July 5th before we see any sun... How in the heck are my melons going to get ripe this year???I started them inside at least.....

vanwadreamer — March 29, 2012 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL vanwadreamer, I don't listen to any of them. I check the weather channel and look outside for my forecasts.

ELISI — March 29, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Avoiding paying bills and checkbook balancing, so I chime in here a bit although I have not much to say. :)

Elisi, I have decided that a look thru the window is the best weather forecast. They are typcically so wrong anyway that this looking out beats them all.

Lousy rain today, even the dog has decided not to wander off and explore the forest. He is lounging upstairs in bed instead. I should have his life. No spoilder dog alive (new word-spoilder! And captcha is now not even displaying words, so who knows if this will post.

luvithere — March 29, 2012 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert - ditto, just nothing relevant to comment about in today's posts.

soapbox4u — March 29, 2012 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ohhhh Raindrops....sooo many raindrops....falling from the sky!!! (I love that song)

Hey everyone, I know the rain is getting to folks but look on the bright side. We could be dealing with out-of-control forest fires like in Colorado. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families who are dealing with the nightmare and wish they'd take some of our rain and douse the raging fires.

Now...let's hope the flood waters here at home stay within their banks. I hear Hwy 101 is already experiencing some high water right about now.

Some positive know how pretty raindrops look on a bright yellow daffodil??? Or a spider web??? Excellent photo shot! Even in this dreary weather, the yellow daffodils are like little spots of sunshine. Or how about a small child in their rain slicker and rubber boots, jumping up and down in a puddle???

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nothing relevant???? Well that's a party pooper response if I ever heard one!!!

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now *THAT'S* what I call a proactive approach in improving the workforce in our area!!! Here's hoping more companies can pick up on the jobs that have the potential for Clark County as a result of this gathering!

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 6:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Definitely a different day around here. Guess everyone ran down on trying to guess what the Supreme Court will decide?

I'm watching When Aliens Attack on Nat'l Geo channel. Sort of a modern remake of Orson Welles, with a lot of analysis. I got a good chuckle out of something - after a few days the survivor groups are starting to make contact via radio - all of a sudden the Pres of the US comes on and urges them to fight. It's Pres Obama - giving one of his speeches!!!

roger — March 29, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: were you hoping we all got kicked out or something?

Nothing much to say, that's all. :)

manthou — March 29, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, why would you say something like that??? Is it bad for me to take note of a group of people suddenly stopped posting as if there were a technical problem??? I honestly thought the Captcha thing wasn't allowing folks to post. I'd been having problems with it the past couple of days. Instead of letters, there's been hieroglyphics of a sort and pictures. If you read luvithere's comment after I'd said something, they made a comment regarding the issues with Captcha.

Touchy, touchy! (shaking my head)

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I'm thinking everyone's getting burned out.

goldenoldie — March 29, 2012 at 9:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


not 'burned out'... more like talked-out.

doesn't last long though :)

DeeLittle — March 29, 2012 at 11:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My daughter down-loaded a weather app for her phone. For months she wondered why her forecasts weren't same as the radio or TV. One day last week she even went so far as to show me the forecast on her phone to prove what she was talking about. She was really getting upset and was about to contact the store about it.

After a few moments I gently pointed out that she never change the area for a particular forecast. Her screen still showed Juneau, Alaska!!!

She laughed and laughed about it for days. She's usually the hip up to date professional. Her daughter had the same app and had set hers up the fist day and never told her mom.

JohnCasey — March 30, 2012 at 5:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

LOLOL...DeeLittle, you have made me smile BIG time!


JohnCasey, I think we've all made similar mistakes in one way or another. Just let her know that whatever happens in Alaska...usually doesn't stay in Alaska. We got a late winter, early spring reminder that Alaska has suffered a lot of winter snows...and now they're in a melt off with the possibility of some decent floods.

And what is it we've been facing here in the Evergreen State and in Oregon??? Heavy mountain snows and runoff.

If it were me, I'd keep the Alaska download.

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey all you gardening and landscaping (and home remodeling) enthusiasts!!! Here's a couple of days to mark on your Calendar:

Clark Public Utilities Home & Garden Idea Fair...April 27, 28, and 29 at the Clark County Fairgrounds

May 12, 9 am-4 pm...Clark County Master Gardener Plant sale...78th Street Farm in Hazel Dell

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Budget passed in House hits pay, retirement and staffing

In passing a budget outline Thursday, the House endorsed several provisions targeting federal employee pay, retirement benefits and job levels.

It rejected a plan to leave them alone but also voted down another that would have cut benefits more deeply.

The budget resolution proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) calls for continuing the freeze on federal salary rates through 2015; cutting federal employment by 10 percent by hiring one replacement for every three employees who leave; and requiring employees to pay as much into the retirement fund as the government pays. That provision would require an increase on the employee side of as much as 6 percent of salary.

ELISI — March 30, 2012 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Top of the morning to you fellow basement dwellers

commonguy — March 30, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning, commonguy. Love your wake up call!!!!

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL!!! That's almost as good as the plug in for engine sounds one from Australia!!

ELISI — March 30, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Bank of America CEO gets big raise
NEW YORK — Bank of America gave its CEO a pay package worth $7.5 million last year, six times as large as the year before. It happened while the company's stock lost more than half its value and the bank lost its claim as the biggest in the country.
The package for CEO Brian Moynihan included a salary of $950,000, a $6.1 million stock award and about $420,000 worth of use of company aircraft and tax and financial advice.
The figures are according to an Associated Press analysis of a regulatory filing Wednesday. In 2010, Moynihan's pay package totaled $1.2 million.
The board said the stock award to Moynihan was justified because the bank turned a profit after losing money in 2010, and because it ended the year with a stronger balance sheet.
Moynihan, 52, took over as CEO in 2010. Besides the lawsuits, his first year was marked by mounting losses in credit cards and vastly reduced income from checking accounts. Bank of America lost $2.2 billion.
Last year, it fought a tide of lawsuits that cost the company $14 billion. Worried over how deep the mortgage problems were, the Federal Reserve refused to let Bank of America increase its stock dividend.*

Wow, and this is the very same Bank that took bailout money, and recently lost their headquarters to foreclosure. Way to go BofA

ELISI — March 30, 2012 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie @ 9:46 PM: No need for scolding. My little smiley symbol at the end of my quote was intended to let you know that my comment was a friendly tease, nothing more. If I could make it bigger or had access to the bold option (does not show up on my computer when I type here with any regularity), I would have emphasized it more.
I notice that snarky comments continue here and really, it is just not that much fun to perpetuate the game. Sometimes ignoring them is an unspoken endorsement.

No praise. No blame. No lectures. Just sayin' that, for me personally, it is not my cup of tea.

manthou — March 30, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

commonguy — March 30, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.

Funny, of course you know that the Volt was a concept car back in 2006. Just a little before the Obama presidency.

hawkeye — March 30, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Scolding? Hardly. Manthou...I was just sharing my thoughts about Captcha and how messed up it is. Heck...if anything, it got those of you who are around and just not saying anything to speak up which nullified my suspicions about Captcha.

And Manthou....just what IS your cup of tea? I prefer Orange Pekoe...8)

Okay...that was a weird Captcha. It said Allah on one side and Hebrew letters on the other. Now how in the heck do we type *THAT* one???

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I think Mr Tim is as good as any of our weather folks and I like his articles...I was just tired of the rain forecast.. I know we need the rain for all the fishes and cleansing of our atmosphere....

vanwadreamer — March 30, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 8:22 a.m. Two thumbs up!!

soapbox4u — March 30, 2012 at 12:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A few days ago, I came to the aid of a friend who said they weren't feeling well. The person was rushed to the hospital and today, their condition has worsened and is now in ICU. My thoughts and prayers pour out to this person who I've known for three decades.


People, I urge you all to think about how precious life is...and to make the best of each waking moment. It can all be taken away from you so quickly. Trivial nonsense, the mind games, arguing over something none of us have any it really worth it???

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...are we drowning yet...?

i'm beginning to think i know why that duck was tapping on my patio door. good thing i bought flood insurance.

called matt. he was...unhappy...with my prior posts. said i was attacking him. thought about that and a post here that expressed fear in replying to me because of my 'attacks'.

from my pov, i try to write what most-closely conveys what i'm trying to say. and that may be the problem.

i'm someone who honestly, really believes she doesn't affect anyone with anything she says or does. i'm also someone who has spent most of her life as a loner...for a number of reasons.

i don't socialize, i don't go out, i don't entertain. since the third grade, i've had to learn how to be alone. that doesn't exactly promote 'playing well with others'. i miss humans, but my reasons are real.

the only way i can respond to matt and the poster(s) here is this: consider me like a cat. what may look like agression is just being what it is. unless i try to claw your eyes or attack your hand, i'm harmless.

one thing i can do that a cat can't....i can take criticism like this, consider it carefully, and apologize when necessary.

and to matt, i apologize for offending you with my words. my intention was to get everything out in the open, hash it out and come to a conclusion.

according to your last email, that conclusion should have been achieved by now, and this will be the LAST time i am 'banned' least for my being a real human. thanks, matt.

DeeLittle — March 30, 2012 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


praying your friend has the outcome God wants.

it's hard to stand by and just do...nothing.

DeeLittle — March 30, 2012 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle, you are so right. It's a miserable feeling when you know there's nothing you can do but to be supportive for a I pray. And for those who don't believe in the power of prayer, it does help the deep ache I feel for my friend.

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And Dee...

Thank you so much.

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

GO, I KNOW where you are coming from. I've lost two in the last six months. It doesn't get any easier. All you can do is be there for them and hope they aren't in any pain.

Leaving for the weekend, take care everybody.

hawkeye — March 30, 2012 at 4:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — March 30, 2012 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal Ozzy would sing:
"Mental wounds not healing.
Life's a bitter shame.
I'm going off the rails on a crazytrain."

Definetly a possibility.

soapbox4u — March 30, 2012 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — March 30, 2012 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — March 30, 2012 at 6:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well folks...did you buy a ticket? Any winners?

Yeah, there's several big winners. I'm not speaking of those who purchased the tickets. I'm speaking of the 25% of the revenue going to the government of the states (42 states, US Virgin Islands and District of Columbia) involved in the sales of the tickets...all in the hopes, the aspirations of those willing to fork out hard-earned cash, thinking they might have that 1 ticket in 176 million.

goldenoldie — March 30, 2012 at 8:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Second, please stop with the personal attacks toward other posters. Those are against our community violates and only dilute the discussion. If you're anti-Facebook, that's fine. But show us why the anonymous forum is great. Personal attacks don't accomplish that at all.

I remember telling goldenoldie "just because you keep saying you are attacked doesn't make it so." I was wrong. In Matt's mind it's all true. Either Matt doesn't read posts or it's easier to criticize without thinking. A great world to live in.

Finally, sweeping statements about religion or politics aren't helping your cause, either. When you cast such a wide net, people don't know where to respond, and it doesn't help the discussion at all. They're not productive, and they're not helping your points -- they're just alienating other posters and creating more friction than necessary in the forums.*

This is part of a scathing letter Matt Wastdrowski sent to me, to include condemning you tube video's for messaging. I haven't posted since I read it. He has condemned political and religious discussion, pointing to complaints he keeps receiving from certain posters.

Hey Matt! Is this the type of crap you want on this forum? I'm sure the ones posting vigorously in the last few days appreciate your censorship. Hell, someone accused Sam Adams of being a pedophile and Matt seems fine with it. Post a link about the Republican war on women, church crimes, GOP and it's anathema and grounds for censorship. Why have an ignore button? Instead of having the intestinal fortitude to tell it like it is, Matt criticizes those who never complain, hoping it will go away. Great job Matt. I again say, perhaps you should seek another profession. This doesn't seem to be a good fit for you.

Now enjoy the quality of discussion matt from your "ivory tower". From crazy to's all gold!

Time for my first cup of coffee....

nailingit — March 31, 2012 at 7:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Regarding today's article in the C, entitled "Tsunami debris nears U.S, Cantwell urges action"...

I'm wondering how dangerous this is for the shipping industry and for the fishing industry. I'm curious as to why the "ghost ship" fishing vessel has not been secured.

I've also read that the shipping and fishing industries keeps tabs on the debris flow. If the folks who utilize drag nets in order to provide fish for the food industry tangle up with this debris from Japan, it could put their struggling companies in financial ruins...yet another lasting result of the destructive earthquake for sure.

goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

that should be "...the shipping and fishing industries keep tabs..."

Guess my coffee wasn't strong enough this morning.

goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey folks!!! If you're brave enough to "weather" the weather today, there's a chance of thunderstorms and gusty winds upward of 35 mph today and again tonight (higher in the southern Willamette Valley), along with all the rain and possible flooding. Four weather alerts for our area on noaa's website alone.

I don't think it'll be good for the ol' bumbershoots or sandals, today...8)

goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 31, 2012 at 7:10 a.m.,

I'm guessing Matt's "supervision" is largely tied to receiving complaints - the squeaky wheel syndrome. I've also suspected he didn't read what transpired leading up to the alleged transgression. (As an example, and I'll be damned if I can remember his name, but we lost a regular here a few months back. Every so often he'd get "jumped" by a couple of people who thought making fun of him was good argument. I didn't catch the comment that got him banned, but I suspect it was something along the lines of bring your slimy little self somewhere and I'll kick your butt for you. And that someone reported him for this "dangerous" comment.

I've noticed a similar trend on the facebook side. Lew Waters, Jim Moeller, and a couple of others routinely get attacked by people of the opposite political persuasion making insulting comments - these guys tend to take the route of sticking up for themselves. On the other hand, there are some who make insulting comments, and then run to Matt when they get it thrown back in their face.

The deal is, nailingit, it's much more fun to be creative if you plan on rubbing someone's nose in the doo doo. I got my hand spanked by Matt for being mean to a poor fellow from the far east side; he tends to kiss up to the elected types he agrees with (this is putting it politely). Fine - but he also likes to play the arrogant "I'm college educated" game and speak down to those he disagrees with. I finally told him he should check out Dante's second level, eighth circle - that this was the perfect place for him. "Wah, Matt - he's saying nasty stuff to me." Probably thought I was telling him to go to hell. Actually, and I doubt either knew, what I was saying was that location was a fitting place for him.

From a synopsis of the 8th Circle:
"As Virgil and Dante cross the ridge to the Second Pouch, a horrible stench besieges them, and they hear mournful cries. Dante beholds a ditch full of human excrement, into which many sinners have been plunged. From one of these souls, he learns that this pouch contains the Flatterers. After a few seconds, Virgil says that they have seen enough of this foul sight. They progress toward the Third Pouch."

roger — March 31, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"If the folks who utilize drag nets in order to provide fish for the food industry tangle up with this debris from Japan, it could put their struggling companies in financial ruins...yet another lasting result of the destructive earthquake for sure." -- goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.

Goldie, what if it's a Japanese fishing trawler that refuses to abide by international agreements on whaling or catching dolphins? Might there be a little justice if one of these ships runs into trouble?

Actually, there's something about this floating debris field that I'm finding curious. I read something a couple of weeks ago saying the people trying to track it are having a problem - they can't find it. There's a supposition it may be floating under the surface. The problem with this explanation is that it hasn't been spotted by satellite either. There may be an explanation as to why, but I'm starting to wonder if this "ghost" debris field exists. Is it possible its broken up into the normal trash that floats? I know someone who goes to the coast to hunt for his collectible - the glass balls they use (or used to use - I don't know) on fishing nets. Stuff like this washes up all the time.

roger — March 31, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

True, Roger...true. Karma does have a way of biting folks when they least expect it.

Regarding the debris field, I kinda wonder if it is somewhat submerged...and that might have had something to do with the fishing boat that went down about a week to week and a half ago west of Ocean Park. Those glass floats are a rarity along the coast nowadays. There is however a coastal artist who in the past has released smaller versions into the Pacific for people to find. I wouldn't mind coming across one of those.

You know Roger, I truly can't wait for the warmer weather...strolls on the beach, checking out "treasures" along the shore...even the "broken homes (aka, empty seashells)" and such.

goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I found a golden oldie I wanted to share with all. Enjoy!!!

goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I am just pleased you know your Dante so well!

I got a few people who fit perfectly into each of Dante's levels. But as I don't believe in hell, well, guess they ain't going.

luvithere — March 31, 2012 at 11:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm curious about that "ghost" fishing vessel. True, it looks a bit rough, but obviously it's sea worthy. According to Maritime Law anyone can go out throw a line on it and own it (I'm pretty sure).

Though it looks a rust bucket the darned thing's gotta be worth several hundred thou.

Drift — March 31, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Roger, I am just pleased you know your Dante so well!" -- luvithere — March 31, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.

Luvithere, I have to tell the truth. I have a copy of the book that I bought about 40 years ago, and I still haven't finished it. One of my friends at college was an art major - he had one of those oversized books with pictures of Boticelli paintings - one of his favorite artists. I used to indulge in an illicit substance and look at the pretty pics. Inferno Canto XVIII caught my attention, so I learned the story behind it.

roger — March 31, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Goldie, A rare find! - it's hard to find video with decent audio from those days.

The Tremeloes also covered Good Day Sunshine - I went looking for it, but the only one I found was poor quality. So, in the interest of celebrating Spring time, here's from the originals.

roger — March 31, 2012 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, just checked my mail and got another flyer from JHB!!! This one is on saving Medicare for us old farts. No wonder I like the young lady so much. (That and she is really quite good looking - a definite improvement over all the political types on TV these days. But I suppose some may find this observation improper and irrelevant....)

roger — March 31, 2012 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone who wants to suggest anyone here in the basement sinks to new lows of ridiculous conversation needs to go to the article on unisex bathrooms at WSU.

At my college, a group of us got in trouble for running a great dane for homecoming queen - and when we rabble roused, got the people who didn't normally vote for silliness like that to vote for her, and she won - we were hated by the entire Greek world! Got called on the carpet by some dean for exhibiting an insensitivity to the feelings of others.

Anyhow, in this day and age, we would have been considered pretty lame. Go get 'em, girls!!!

roger — March 31, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

great dane, eh....?

she's definitely the better candidate compared to some i know of. at least you can call *her* a bitch and not get banned :)

DeeLittle — March 31, 2012 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Absolutely one of my favorite all time songs by the Beatles, Roger. Thanks for sharing it. I was a dancin' in my chair with that one.


Vote for a Great Dane for Homecoming Queen??? Hilarious...and she won??? Even more hilarious. Hated by the entire Greek World??? Maybe with the sororities at your college, but I think the Greeks in the community would be laughing at how ridiculous it sounded and actually seeing the Great Dane receiving her crown and sash would be quite a conversation piece (knowing the sense of humor of my relatives and friends). Now Roger, my question is... could you keep the crown and sash on the dog???

(Geez...a slow night, wouldn't you say???)


DeeLittle...I'm glad I finished my tea before reading your comment. I'm all smiles.

goldenoldie — March 31, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger improper maybe irrelevant no

rincon1 — March 31, 2012 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...getting into quite*discussion*...up in the Dark Side, er, FB side ltte "Letter: Facts working against Leavitt"

anybody know who this Mike Briggs guy is...? good test the past, i'd expect to have posts not increase the counter at about this stage.

DeeLittle — March 31, 2012 at 10:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i'm trying to get back to my teenage roots and make bread, etc... have a problem.

finally found a recipe that had 3 risings (like i learned back in home economics - google it, youngsters). the top collapsed when i baked it. texture comes out kinda cake-y, wanted more 'teeth'. any suggestions?

DeeLittle — March 31, 2012 at 11:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Dee,

I know I'm not Goldie, but I have that problem a lot when I bake bread. In my case it is usually because I'm lazy and don't knead the bread hard enough or long enough. You might want to check the yeast also, sometimes it deactivates over time or from temperature and humidity changes.

Hope it helps! =)

Genevieve — April 1, 2012 at 12:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


i'm thinking that i caused it: i put some parchment paper over the top so my moist towel won't stick to the top. i THINK that it 'sealed' the top where it was and prevented it from rising in cooking. the top had *some* placed that held the rising, and some places that didn't. that sound reasonable...?

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 12:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


and now i believe i'll go to bed (hopefully to sleep) and wish all a great new month !

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 5:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Happy April Fools Day morning to you as well, Dee (and to every one else).

Okay...I'll try to answer your question but it'll mean a trial and error process for you.

Gen is right. It could be the type of yeast you are using. I never use the quick-rise. That's good for bread machines for which I no longer use.

Secondly, it could be the type of flour you are using. The mainstream grocery brands never work for me and I have no luck with whole wheat flour. Too much gluten added. Anyhow, whatever it is they're putting in the flour, it causes huge bubbles or tearing loaves. I never use bread flour. Again, too much gluten added and that can cause larger gas bubbles in the loaves. I choose unbleached flour. I don't want to mention brands on here but I'll tell you it's the brand in the red and white 5 lb bag with a man on a black horse on the label. Winco appears to have the best price right now. It's a bit more expensive, but the bread should turn out better with this brand.

Thirdly...the bread recipes in the old time cookbooks still for sale in the stores are my favorites. They only have two after blending the ingredients and two after the loaves are formed. Easy!

The parchment paper might have caused a problem with the rise, but I'd doubt it. Better to throw a kitchen towel over the rising dough. Sometimes humidity or temperature levels in your home could have caused the problem. Also, before you take your bread out of the oven, tap the top of the loaf. If it sounds hollow, it's done. Another trick I do...when the bread looks done, I slide the loaves out of the pan and allow them to rest on the rack in the oven for a few minutes more. That allows the exterior to become crispy.

Finally, I know it's difficult to do...but never slice your bread while it's hot. (ooooh, the temptation of freshly-made bread with melted honey butter...mmmmm!!!!!) It can cause the bread to flatten and get mushy inside. Allow it to stand for about 10 minutes on a cookie rack. For those who aren't need a good serrated bread knife which will do the work when you slice it. Never put pressure on the loaf as you slice...and slice it while it's on it's side. You'll have better luck.

So much for Goldie's cooking lesson for the day!!!!

goldenoldie — April 1, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***Maven of self sufficiency????***

I like that!!!

btw, I'm just sharing what works for me in the world of bread baking. I wish you good luck in your future bread baking experiences, Dee!

goldenoldie — April 1, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


OMG, I M ROFL (just teasing)

I absolutely enjoyed your column this April Fool's Day!!! No Joke!!!

Now if the national power and cellular phone grid went down...what would all the tweeters, FB'ers and texters do then??? For that matter, the forum dwellers too??? I know I'd still be cookin' on my camp stove, the barbie or the wood stove, sharing in good conversation, and playing good ol' fashioned card and board games!!! Maybe taking a stroll, having a picnic or fussin' around in my garden.

You know, it's pretty sad when friends stand together, not saying a word...just a few snickers while they text each other back and forth. Yep!!! I've seen it...many times!!!

I feel for those who have allowed modern technology to rule their lives. Gotta text! Gotta Tweet! Gotta say their piece on FB!!! Well, in my opinion...they might as well take advantage of the internet and learn skills the old-fashioned way. You know...skills without the help of computers, electronics and all the modern-day gadgets which would cease to function should the power grid become undependable!!!


On the other hand, anybody see the news segment about the 8-year-old who caught the burglar red handed when he was able to utilize the GPS signal to locate his stolen I-Pad??? Smart kid!!! I guess the burglar was caught with thousands of stolen items in their residence, thanks to this 8 year old!!!! Smart cookie, that boy!!!

goldenoldie — April 1, 2012 at 8:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another couple of possibilities on the bread collapsing -

That last punch down and shaping to loaves is important. If you don't work it while shaping, you can leave air pockets that lead to holes, and possible collapsing, when baking.

Perhaps you let that last rise go too long/too high before putting the bread in the oven?

roger — April 1, 2012 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Looks like the Repub caucus was a bit of a 1,250 ansmizefiasco. The Columbian (Andrea) says it was the fault of the Ron Paul supporters. The Ron Paul supporters are up in arms - blame it on the local Repub machine being inefficient/incompetent, and a stalling move on the part of Romneyites.

What did I get from this? There sure are a lot of Ron Paul supporters here!

roger — April 1, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


maybe next time they'll haunt the dems

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 11:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — April 1, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

I think the problem lies with the old school christian fundamentalist democrats that have taken over the republican party (eg Lew Waters). People seem to have forgotten the fact that if you support a larger more intrusive government then you are a democrat.

frobert — April 1, 2012 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — March 31, 2012 at 10:51 p.m.,

MB is the one that I was referring to with my Dante remark. He makes the same lame pro-CRC commentary - over and over. He'll start with a generic comment, e.g., we need a new bridge because we're long overdue for the big one. Challenge him with details (in this case from the USGS website and a well researched Outdoor magazine article) and he has no response. So he reverts to his standard - that the people we elected are somehow smarter than us, and that our only recourse is to wait for the next election and try to get them out of office. (Unless the conversation is about Repubs like JHB - then he has no problems calling them on the carpet.)

The only thing he's ever said that makes sense is that he takes light rail to PSU because it's cheaper than buying a parking ticket there. For some reason, he keeps harping on that he can drive to Vancouver and catch the Yellow line faster than going to Gateway like he does now. I finally did my little breakdown (in the article you were on) to show him how he was wrong - typically, he ignored details.

As to who he is? From previous conversations, he lives in Camas or Washougal. He moved here (when unknown) due to the cheaper cost of living, but continues to look to Portland for his social life. He says he's taking Poli Sci courses at PSU. He's an older guy; he made a reference once about being brown shoe Navy (Naval aviation) in the Vietnam era. He argues politics from the social aspect, but doesn't seem to connect on the economics side - unlimited spending is OK if there's a perceived benefit to someone.

And No - I'm not a neoCon. I just happen to sound like one because I don't buy this Liberal philosophy that we should spend unlimited dollars now, that we don't have, on anything and everything that might benefit the future. Call me selfish, but I don't plan on losing everything I've worked for just to finance trying to build a utopian future that will never come to fruition.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 11:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I also find it interesting that the Columbian is allowing someone with the facebook name "Throwaway Accnt" to not only insult Ron Paul supporters but also those with Aspergers syndrome.

frobert — April 1, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

MB has posted on east side newspapers and blogs for years. Same old story. Calls politicians on the carpet except if they fit his thoughts. Calls everyone else posting on the carpet on a regular basis if they are not nice enough, but manages to often insult and offend himself. Has in the past started most comments with something like "like it here in this region and just wanted it all to be great". Has some type of anointed public position in Washougal right now, I believe. As I said, same old story for years.

Fro-I find it amazing that FB side allows posters without a real name to post. Was that not the whole purpose of this experiment?

luvithere — April 1, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


To a large degree - true. The social conservatives are doing the same thing to the Repub party that the environmentalists and the social activists have already done to the Dem Party. Good or bad - I don't know. I prefer the more simplistic days of the greedy rich Repubs vs. the working class Dems - the two parties have morphed so far from their roots, by trying to appeal to everyone, that they no longer represent much of anything.

I would still prefer that Ron Paul run as a Libertarian. If his goal is to pave the way for his son to lead a new (old?) Repub party, he'll fail. He was given a little air time at the beginning of the debate process, but has been completely ignored as it progressed. (Largely, in my opinion, because he refuses to play the gutter tactics of the other anti-Romneys - his simple, straight forward, unchanging message just isn't newsworthy). But mainly because both the main groups fighting for control of the GOP are opposed to his beliefs that we cannot control such things as sexuality, drug use, etc - can't let the masses think for themselves. Anyhow, I think we're long overdue for a new major player on the political scene. Running as a Repub won't get him there; he'll never make it past the primary. Get on the election ballot as a Libertarian, and I'll bet he pulls enough votes to surpass Ross Perot's showing in '92.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Off to do some shopping - Editor Lou got me fired up to make pizza. Goldie - thanks for the suggestion on the flour - I'm going to get some. I used to drive over to a store in France (Maxi's, I think it was called) because their white flour was the best for baking I've ever run across. Someone told me it was the grinding process, but couldn't tell me why it was different.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yep - that's a perfect description of the MB I "know." His pronouncements on the proper rules of civil discourse are a hoot. (As much as I got irritated with Lord Basil wanting references for everything, at least I could understand where he was coming from. MB is out in La La land.) I didn't know he was actually a "someone" in Washougal - maybe that's why Matt slaps my hand when I push him too far and he cries.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So, ya think the Nail's been 86'd?

Drift — April 1, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No, Nail is still here, just not saying anything.

frobert — April 1, 2012 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hmm and they say the main stream media tells the truth.. and Fox News tells lies..go figure..

**Furor Over Edited Trayvon 911 Tape Spurs Internal NBC Probe**

NBC News has reportedly launched an internal investigation to find out how an edited version of a crucial 911 recording in the Trayvon Martin case came to be aired on the network.

The investigation, reported by the Washington Post on Saturday (here), is in response to allegations that a recording of a conversation between a 911 operator and George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, was edited by NBC News in a way that would make Zimmerman’s actions in the case seem to be more racially motivated than they actually were.

This story started to gain steam on Friday when a key difference between the actual 911 recording and a version that had been played on NBC’s “Today Show” was pointed out by Sean Hannity on his self-named Fox News Channel show “Hannity” Friday night.

Here are the two versions, according to various reports appearing on Sunday, including this one on the Hollywood Reporter Web site:

In the first, edited version, Zimmerman is heard saying: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

In the second, unedited passage, he is heard saying: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

And the dispatcher says: “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”

And that’s when Zimmerman says: “He looks black.”

ELISI — April 1, 2012 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal

MB...what got me was his insinuation that it's a done deal because the gvt has decided what we get and how much we will pay for it. but what really floored me was when he tried to defend his position by saying we can't let a 'small slice' of the stat pile hold sway. *SMALL?!?!?!? how about 2% !!*
_____________________________________________________________ rises perfectly, i time everything so i'm not guessing, the loaf looks great going into the oven, and comes out flat. i'm thinking i'm just going to start making cloverleaf rolls again. less frustration, same bread.

NBC...yeah, saw that article. incredible that somebody actually thought they'd get away with it. and it's not like we need lying news sources to gen up race hatred. i, for one, don't really want to go back to race riots and national guard troops in the streets.

oh, and for you foxnews scoffers...? try watching shepard smith's news reports. he says he's doing an objective report, but his leftist preferences still come out. and as best i can tell....he despises bill o'reilly.

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 3:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi @ 2PM: News consumers need to be so vigilant about these doctored videos and audios. They are cropping up too frequently, embedded in "credible" journalism from the left, right, and every which way. A friend is negotiating with a big daily paper right now for a correction/apology on a sensationally-edited video. When the media journalists were challenged on it, they denied it, but went in and "blurred" the offensive piece after the complaint, then denied the cover up editing. Maybe in a deposition, they will fess up. Who keeps journalists honest if we don't? Some are not self-policing very well anymore. And the younger, tech-savy ones are taking advantage of their geezer editors' luddite attitude, I think (I am NOT refering to the C).

Drift: Maybe you can lure the Nail out of hiding. He likes chatting with you. The more diversity of opinion here, the richer the conversation, don't ya' think?

manthou — April 1, 2012 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle, maybe you need a different bread recipe.


ELISI...the edited 911 recordings are yet another example of why I never trust everything the media says during a frenzy like we've been witnessing with regards to the case in Florida.


Frobert, I too have noticed those "faux" names on the FB side. Some are downright hilarious wordplay...and what we were told as to why they did the switch didn't match what we're witnessing today.

goldenoldie — April 1, 2012 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey there ANYTHING at all in this county where the prices have fallen instead of risen??? Let's see...we've got that Discovery Pass for $35 for a year unless you buy it at the kiosks on location, fishing licenses went up in September, sales tax went up today (thanks to voters approving C-tran's request #1), food is continually rising, gas is going up, property taxes went up, PUD went up...


Now if only wages would follow suit.

goldenoldie — April 1, 2012 at 4:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee, I tried warning MB that if he pisses both you and Penny off, then he's in for a world of hurtin'! Not certain he's going to pay attention, though.

What gets me is when he makes the following type comments - "But these are the representatives who we all elected. And they hold the reins." I sort of recall the German people finding out otherwise, when using the same excuse for accepting Hitler's actions.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***I'M BAAAAAAACK !!!***

Oh I know, so what.

So, I spent a week of my life yesterday in CANADA! What a weird place, and their money is funny too. They don't like our money (except at Starbucks) it isn't worth as much as theirs and they charge you to cash it in for theirs or they won't take it at all. Oh well, safe and sound at home.

What happened to nailingit and who is MB?

hawkeye — April 1, 2012 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal

yeah, saw that. scared the hairballs outta the cat. guess i don't laugh very often....

and you don't even have an accent ! 'mb' is this guy, mike briggs, who's been posting comments on a ltte about leavitt and the bridge-doggle

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


too bad i have a 9mm and not a bb gun

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I had one of those, just put some paper in the fireplace and light it. EH!

hawkeye — April 1, 2012 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm good with any and all chatter, manthou. I figure it's like a smorgie-borg. A person picks and chooses according to their taste. An individual might not care for this or that, but having it there, knowing the dish is available should one have a change of heart...

Nail! Come out come out wherever you are!


Drift — April 1, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So I was surfing to view a 3 part interview of Rob McKenna by David Madore and Tiffany Couch. Only I hardly got to hear from Mr. McKenna as Madore and Couch lectured him on their frustration with the CRC. OK. They are not journalists and don't know how to interview. But I wanted to hear more from McKenna and will look for that elsewhere.

Which brings me to an interesting Madore FB observation. His political statement on there, very impressive and lengthy, makes no direct mention of the CRC.

No mention of tolling. The acronym CRC does not exist in it.

Zip. Nada. I don't think he has changed his position on either, but he just simply dances around the specifics.

Anyone: why do you suppose he did that? Who is advising him to do that?

I think it is very striking. Anyone else notice that?

manthou — April 1, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

MB is the CRC's #1 self proclaimed apologist. His latest favorite reason is that the bridge might collapse any day now. (He got that idea from The Columbian's latest Cheers & Jeers.) His last reason was that we're going to get hit with the big 9.0 quake and we need a new bridge (with rail) to save the world. (His world, that is; he apparently spends his time at PSU and elsewhere in P'Town.) And he wants rail because he thinks he can get to PSU from his home in Washougal faster by driving to Vancouver and taking the Yellow line, vs. his present drive to Gateway and then over on the Red line. (His current route would be about 20 minutes faster.)

He continually states that once we elect someone, then they go wherever and no longer have to answer to their voters - they are aware of things we aren't, and are in a better position to make wise decisions. (For some reason, however, this doesn't apply to the only Repub politician in the whole world that I like - JHB. He says rude things about the dear lady, and then cries to Matt when some people feel inclined to throw it back in his face.)

roger — April 1, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: There's a lot of cryin' to Matt going on.

What do YOU think of Madore's evasion of the CRC name on his political statement. Kinda like Voldemort.

I think he hired an experienced advisor who told him to soft pedal that so he won't lose some of his business colleagues as voters.

Anyone know who is running his campaign? I doubt it is Josephine.

manthou — April 1, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Canadian money is now worth more than ours? My wife brought a bunch of their quarters back from her last trip there a few years back, and was complaining that they took our money, but no one here would take theirs. Times have changed.

I was channel surfing and stopped at one of the money channels (Bloomburg or one like it) where the "expert" being interviewed said that we're next; the Euro is being brought under control and world focus will shift to fixing our financial mess.

Hurried up and changed the channel - thought I'd like to remain blissfully ignorant a bit longer.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I must admit that if I want to know what the righties are thinking, I usually go to Lew Waters' site (Clark County Conservative). But I went to; it's about half anti-CRC. Madore's facebook page had a couple of articles that I paid attention to. One was about a Repub convention, where he notes (among other things) that they were 1000 to 1 against the CRC. The other article was a tactfully written "No, we don't demand everyone march lockstep with the party line, but if we want to go north and Boldt wants to go south, then Boldt's got to go." Yawn. I left without finding a political "I'm running on this" type statement.

I'm going to guess he's going to allow his website fight the CRC battle for now. He's already made it clear that he wants Mielke back, and that the two are for the far east side third bridge option. If he's going to be successful, he's going to have to avoid the one-issue-candidate label, and start focusing on what ought to be his strong point - businesses and economic growth.

Maybe he's just waiting for an opening? He hasn't even formally filed yet, and it's a long way to November. On the national level, Romney seems to be a good example of what happens when you get into it too soon. A few months ago I thought he had a 50/50 shot at taking Pres Obama out; now, after all his lame interviews and allowing Santorum/Gingrich to direct the conversation, I'm thinking it won't be all that close.

roger — April 1, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou, I can't wait for the real campaigning to start with DM. It's going to be really fun to watch the "dancing". Of course I'm sure the he has hired the best manager "money can buy".

Roger, yes their money is worth more, like 2 or 3 cents more but they ding you for 8 or 9 cents in exchange. They also got rid of the dollar bills and have created one and two dollar coins instead. Our government, on the other hand, is going to stop the Presidential dollars after this year because they aren't taking off as expected.

hawkeye — April 1, 2012 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*No mention of tolling. The acronym CRC does not exist in it.*

manthou — April 1, 2012 at 7:44 p.m

manthou, I think it is well known how he feels about tolling and the CRC. Constantly talking about tolls and the CRC would take away from other things that are more pressing, like jobs for our county is more important.

ELISI — April 1, 2012 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

MB is, if my memory serves me correct lives in Washougal or Camas and writes for/or has written for the Post Record.

ELISI — April 1, 2012 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For those who could not find it, here is Madore's first campaign statement on FB:

Elisi: good thoughts on what the priorities are. It is going to be a very interesting 2012 campaign season at the local, state, and national levels.

I wish I had the discipline to turn off the news and TV for the entirety of it. Wake me up when it's over.

manthou — April 1, 2012 at 9:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*maybe liberalism really IS a mental disease....*

Sign at Wegmans draws attention

Posted at: 03/30/2012 4:59 PM

It’s a first for Wegmans in this area. They’ve put up a sign asking customers buying pork or alcohol not to use a particular checkout line when a Muslim teenager is on duty as the cashier.

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 9:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — April 1, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.,

The article says the locals are good with it, and draw a comparison to Christians having to serve alcohol. (Never heard of that prohibition.) If the bottom line starts to suffer, however, Wegmans' corporate office may show a little less sensitivity. (And, seeing as how Nail is currently serving a self-imposed exile, reportedly for being censored for saying things like this --) Because we all know what the highest god of all in this country is -- $$$$.

roger — April 2, 2012 at 5:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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