Open forum, May 21 - 27



The forums are moderated by Columbian staff and our community guidelines and terms of service still apply. To participate, login with your ID or register for an account at

Columbian staff members create new forum threads. Don't see a forum topic here that fits your comments? Email Web Edtor John Hill -- -- or Social Media Coordinator Matt Wastradowski --



"The National Guard is spending $26 million this fiscal year to sponsor Earnhardt’s team — "

Where's that guy that keeps getting up in Congress and pointing out how the government wastes money on 'stupid research'?

mr_basil_seal — May 21, 2012 at 7:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"...Day&Night;" watch. It doesn't tell the time, **it just tells you whether it's day or night.**

It may seem like a silly idea but it's really just a reflection of the times -- watches are less and less about actually telling the time (we all have cell phones and PDAs for that now) and more about style and luxury. The Day&Night; watch **sells for $300,000 and the first lot sold out in just 48 hours.** Apparently there are a lot of people looking to know whether it's day or whether it's night -- from their watch."

mr_basil_seal — May 21, 2012 at 7:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — May 21, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.

You forgot to mention that the watches are made with actual parts of the Titanic. Regardless, I'll bet Dee could use one.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Members Of Congress Speak Like High School Sophomores, Sunlight Foundation Report Says

The sophistication of federal lawmakers' speech patterns is on the decline, with members of Congress now talking, on average, at the level of high school sophomores. According to a new report by the Sunlight Foundation, Congress has fallen by almost a full grade-level since 2005.

The members speaking at the lowest grade levels tend to be freshmen Republicans.

As NPR noted on Monday, "Of the 10 members speaking at the lowest grade level, all but two are freshmen, **and every one is a Republican."** That measurement is for all speeches since 1996.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ohhhh, I just had a thought....

Maybe they could use them in Alaska.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 7:13 a.m

Nail, I wonder if the Arizona Secretary of State is checking the birth certificates of EVERYONE on the ballot? If not, he could be open to really big lawsuit.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- Less people are demanding this than attend most Jr High Schools. Amazing what a few idiots can do when they pool their idiocy as a collective.

Here is a thank you to America's tEa pArtY.

They have done so much for America.

Too bad none of it is good.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A reprint as to what hawk & I are speaking of.

*There is plenty of unused land in Arizona & Nebraska. As long as Obama isn't that big on personal liberty, how about requiring Baggers to reside in either state?*

Ken Bennett, Arizona Secretary Of State, Gets Response From Hawaii On Obama Birth Certificate Request Posted: 05/20/2012 11:38 pm

Bennett, in a radio interview last week, said he had petitioned the Aloha State to verify the existence of the president's long-form birth certificate, which the White House released last spring. According to Bennett, the request was made on behalf of over 1,200 Arizonans who had emailed him with concerns over Obama's eligibility for office.

Bennett further fanned the flames of birther rumors by threatening to keep Obama off his state's ballot if Hawaii failed to comply.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal @ 7:07- I'm sure 26 million would go a long way shoring up communities they race in. i.e. community services, education, healthcare etc. What a ridiculous expenditure.

*“What better group to communicate to than NASCAR fans if you’re the Department of Defense?” McHenry said.*

How about a pro human rights org.? Recruitment might take a hit but...oh well.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***Look at that, Fro got one right.***

When Ron Paul's campaign stated last week that Mitt Romney's delegate lead was insurmountable, Paul's staff insisted they would continue competing for delegates and cited Minnesota as their next target.

This past weekend, Paul accomplished that goal, winning 12 of 13 delegates at the state GOP convention.

"Victories in Minnesota and other states demonstrate that Ron Paul supporters possess the adaptability, organizational muscle, and unmatched enthusiasm required to continue winning delegates in upcoming contests," Paul campaign manager John Tate said in a statement.

Paul's victory means 32 of Minnesota's 40 national delegates will now be committed to Paul at this summer's Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla. The libertarian-leaning GOP candidate is remaining in the presidential race to compete for delegates in the hopes of shaping the convention and influencing the party platform.

***Wait!!! That can't be right, it's from the "lame stream media"***

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.

A blog is mainstream media?

How many of those delegate tracking sites you love to quote are showing these delegates in Paul's column?

frobert — May 21, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

sorry fro, I don't bother with delegate tracking sites. Mostly because I don't care what the republican'ts are doing in that respect because it really doesn't matter.

We all know who the candidate is going to be.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.

My problem is with the reporting, they continually add perspective delegates to every other candidate and refuse to show all of Paul's confirmed delegates. A good example is RCP shows Gingrich with 141 delegates when in fact he only has 24 confirmed, they show Paul with 108 when in fact counting this weekend he is over 150 confirmed.

frobert — May 21, 2012 at 12:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.

I see now that ABC news reprinted the Yahoo blog, so I guess that it does qualify as mainstream media.

frobert — May 21, 2012 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sir Basil and Nails,

The Navy and USMC have already slashed their sports sponsorship budget, and it appears Congress is getting ready to move on the Army and Air Force. Besides NASCAR, we're talking the X-Games, the All American high school football bowl, and a few others. Probably a couple of hundred million per year total.

There's also a renewed push to slash federal funding for the CPB - both NPR and PBS. That'll save another $500 million per year.

Guess we're going to have to throw Big Bird out with Roscoe P. Coltrane. Can't be making value judgments on whose entertainment to save. Too bad - I've thoroughly enjoyed the Brit-Coms PBS has shown over the years.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Also from your Huff Post article on Congressional Repubs speaking on the level of high school sophomores ---

Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.) clocks in at the lowest grade-level: 7.9 in this Congress.

"I was trained to write in a clear and concise fashion, and you didn't use big words if small words would do," Mulvaney, who graduated with honors from Georgetown and earned a law degree from the University of North Carolina, told NPR. "Certainly I'm not trying to dumb down the message by any stretch of the imagination."

Perhaps there's an invalid measurement being used?

roger — May 21, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From LTTE-kinda interesting point. Will go nowhere, but interesting.

"However, the separation of religion and government is addressed in the U.S. Constitution. Churches that endorse through any political candidate or try to influence legislative action can and should have their 501(c)3 tax exemption status revoked."

mrd — May 21, 2012 at 2:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- @ 1:29 I wouldn't worry too much as to what the Republican Congress wants. The approval ratings speak for themselves. No one cares anymore. Long live Big Bird. Baggers Beware!

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 2:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, you guys are smart, help me out. I'm looking for some software that will allow me to stream video from my home computer's web cam to my laptop when I am not at home.

Any ideas?

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*And we wonder why bigotry/bullying is so prevalent today.*

**Charles L. Worley, North Carolina Pastor: Put Gays And Lesbians In Electrified Pen To Kill Them Off**

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**This is Your Brain On Fox**

Last year, researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University produced a survey contending that Fox News viewers were the most systematically misinformed people in America—so much so, that when quizzed on current affairs, people who watched only Fox scored worse than people who watched no news at all.

That survey drew wide criticism, as it won't surprise you to hear.

So this year, the authors repeated the experiment, using a wider base of respondents. And guess what?

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When I see a vote of 299-120 to pass legislation knowing the Senate and the Pres are going to tear into it - I think it's a little more than a few teabaggers. If Boehner can swing this kind of support, I'd say he truly believes their side will hold the House and possibly pick off one, if not both, of the Senate and the Presidency.,0,3796399.story

roger — May 21, 2012 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.

Sorry, but without the questions asked, the story is useless. The study done last year had most of the questions based in opinion and then graded it based on the opinion of those doing the survey. Using the same criteria someone could come up with NPR listeners being the least informed.

frobert — May 21, 2012 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*(Reuters) - China can now bypass Wall Street when buying U.S. government debt and go straight to the U.S. Treasury, in what is the Treasury's first-ever direct relationship with a foreign government, according to documents viewed by Reuters.*

DeeLittle — May 21, 2012 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — May 21, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.

*"whose entertainment to save."*

Hmmm, NPR / PBS have a fair number of news and documentary programs.

As well as a substantial amount of no sugar added kids programming.

Not quite the equivalent of paying for a paint job on a car that ends up in the same place after going 500 miles.

mr_basil_seal — May 21, 2012 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cory Booker on Maddow, tune in!

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — May 21, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.

Ya know dee, I read that whole article and did NOT see his name anywhere. I'm wondering why you are blaming him.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, you probably know that at least some Republicans have had PBS and NPR in their sights for defunding for years. One previous time when this issue was in the news, I recall reading that some affiliate stations would be in much worse shape than others, if that happened. As I recall, OPB was one affliliate that is nearly self funded already.

Individuals and businesses have a way of stepping up to the plate when they know government isn’t going to pay for things. Sort of like Manthou’s Democrat convention where some were voluntarily donating to help others with travel expenses. I tend to think this would happen with CPB.

kn_dalai — May 21, 2012 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
"Ya know dee, I read that whole article and did NOT see his name anywhere. I'm wondering why you are blaming him."

It was an administrative decision, and who is in charge of the administrative branch? Just like drug scheduling and whatever innocent villagers we are bombing this week, Obama owns it.

frobert — May 21, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


this is really concerning. by fiat, all the rules currently in place regarding wall street transactions have been voided for china. no other country in history has been given this kind of unfettered ability to rummage around in the united states treasury. free of any third party's oversight. free of *any* rules or regulations.

the obama administration has just shut congress out of playing any role whatsoever in modifying or stopping anything obama wants to do with our treasury and china.

**what were they **THINKING**??!?!??**

DeeLittle — May 21, 2012 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger_ I felt the same as Basil about your "entertainment" comment. I thought it possibly to be bait for one of your causes. :)

Or did you just .. misspeak. It's not a lead in to your belief in forced sterilization is it? :)))

Kn_d @ 6:10 *I tend to think this would happen with CPB.*

Isn't it nice to have the world on a string!

Let them eat cake!

fro @ 5:17 *the story is useless.* Sounds like you watch Fox News. :)))))

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cory Booker is the keynote speaker at the WA State Democratic Convention dinner in Seattle.

Good to see Sir Basil back! Maybe I should take a longer hiatus and see what other prodical pals reappear. :)

manthou — May 21, 2012 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Good to see you manthou! Hopefully Cory's speech will be less controversial than his Meet The Press appearance.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

fro, maybe they did it to piss off wall street. Since the brokers aren't playing by the rules, or following the rules, maybe they get bypassed for now. I really don't know that much about how all that works, I really don't think anybody outside of it does, so I really can't judge.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — May 21, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
The questions are at

The largest effect is that of Fox News: all else being equal, **someone who watched only Fox News would
be expected to answer just 1.04 domestic questions correctly — a figure which is worse than if they had reported watching no media at all.** On the other hand, if they listened only to NPR, they would be expected to answer 1.51 questions
correctly; viewers of Sunday morning talk shows fare similarly well. And people watching only The Daily Show with Jon Stewart could answer about 1.42 questions

mr_basil_seal — May 21, 2012 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I received an email from Rob McKenna today, asking me to sign a bipartisan petition (that led to his campaign donation page!) that condemns attack campaigns.

Now that I know the Cory Booker story, I think the good AG is riding on this wave. He is trying to woo disgruntled Democrats. When his assistant attorneys general stop their extrajudicial ad hominem attacks on private citizens (a story for another day), then I might give the guy some serious consideration.

I signed the petition, but declined to contribute. :)

manthou — May 21, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*I signed the petition, but declined to contribute. :)* manthou, forever the diplomat! Your comments have been sorely missed the last couple of weeks!

I think Romney's experience at Bain is more than fair game. Booker should make penance and narrate some Obama/Bain ads!

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 4:49 *When I see a vote of 299-120 to pass legislation knowing the Senate and the Pres are going to tear into it - I think it's a little more than a few teabaggers.*

As always. With so much money for the taking, Defense Budgets always garner big numbers. Not sure of your point. As Kn_d mentioned, the right has been bagging NPR, PBS, (anything knowledge based) forever. There's too much reality based information for them I guess. It has nothing to do with "trimming the budget", given the free spending conservatives make it a target year after year after year.

Conservatives. They blow up our economy then want to dictate cuts. Ya gotta love it.

Two unfunded wars, senior prescription drug plan and trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy.

Now they want a seat at the table.



nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Lord Basil,

I agree with your comparison of PBS programming vs. NASCAR. I was hooked back in the '70s when they ran I Claudius.

Unfortunately, Jim Bob Bubby doesn't agree. And Jim Bob has lots of friends - to include a few in Congress. And they're all highly patriotic - even though a few forget and fly the wrong flag. So, if they've got to give to give up some gov't sponsorship dollars, they'll probably rally the troops and go after NPR/PBS again.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


True, areas like here will ensure PBS continues. (I send them money, and I imagine a few others here in the basement also do so.) But, as you note, many areas are heavily dependent on the gov't money. And cutting is on the table again - that $500 million was for 2015. $500 mil will be hard to make up in donations.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What's the take on the education group (forget their name) who came out a week or so back and supported McKenna? If I'm remembering, they liked his plan to ensure funding for education, and weren't seeing/hearing much from Inslee.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails - Bait for one of my causes? Hmmm... and who went out of his way to make inflammatory comments that he knew would enrage some of the more conservative ladies that post(ed) here?

But, yes, forced sterilization is sounding better all the time. We're supposed to be an intelligent species, but we can't seem to exercise the self control necessary to keep from overpopulating this poor little planet.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I always thought that the advertising the military was doing with NASCAR was shooting for the lowest common denominator since that is pretty much what the audience is. Maybe they could spend some money with the WWF, that might reel in some recruits.

Or they could just start up the draft again.

hawkeye — May 21, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The Defense budget the House passed is a perfect example of what's wrong with this country. We're cutting strength, when Afghanistan is still going on, and Special Ops troops are in places we don't even know about. Meanwhile, the House wants to spend billions on weapons systems and missile defenses that the generals don't even want.

And once the Senate gets done tearing every other page out, we'll be back at the same impasse as the last couple of years. Nothing committed, and trying to fight a war on a continuing resolution.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh roger... *and who went out of his way to make inflammatory comments that he knew would enrage some of the more conservative ladies that post(ed) here?*

Why the cheap shot? Source your vitriol if you must. What the hell are you rambling about? Wow!

Don't tell me, you're making the case for forced sterilization!

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye - NASCAR fans listen to Toby Keith's American Soldier, God Bless The USA, and all those other patriotic ditties. Of course the services are going to target them. As for the WWF - they provided some pretty good entertainment for the troops in Iraq the past few Christmases - and even included their modern day version of the old USO show Playboy Bunny troupe.

roger — May 21, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit - don't be stealing Baron Basil's lines. And I don't need to source anything - you know exactly what I mean. And seeing as how I egged you on with a topic or two....

roger — May 21, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here you go, Nails - a peace offering.;=related

roger — May 21, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Leaving to watch shows about aliens and ancient societies. Erich Von Daanikan rules!!

roger — May 21, 2012 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*And I don't need to source anything - you know exactly what I mean.*

No roger, I don't know. No need to hide behind a shot at basil either. When you make a harsh accusation you should back it up. Not the first time you've done this. Why don't you try and keep things lighthearted instead of out of the blue taking a stupid non-constructive path of innuendo's and insults? Usually you seem a little more level headed, rather than displaying a need for a "jaws for life" type of posterior removal. (All in good fun)

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

But anyway ya man. No need for avatarial adversarialism!

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


..ahhhh, von daanikan. interesting theory, that. i went through a phase of interest in that subject. after all i AM of the area 51 generation, y'know. and *Twilight Zone* didn't do much to quell the talk.

i'm currently of the opinion that it's all classified experiments by the gvt. yeah, i know....traded one tinfoil hat for another.

as for nail...have no idea which 'conservative ladies' he's targeting, but, since i'm the only one left now, i can be logically certain it's me. too bad....i haven't read a post from him since before we all got thrown in the basement.

enjoy the program. lemme know if you have any 'hmmmmm' moments :)

DeeLittle — May 21, 2012 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*** for PBS.....***

i would ***REALLY HATE*** losing the bbc's new adaption of sherlock holmes. just watched the season-ender, and i cannot imagine HOW they're going to resurrect sherlock.

cant wait :) :) :) :)

DeeLittle — May 21, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- See what happens? Another golden write @ 9:41.

That's why you should source an accusation. Some go to any lengths to divide such as 'dee'.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 9:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Contentious posts are like blood in the water for a "couple" that post here.

A tribute. If misery warrants one.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Battle of the GOP intellectual titans!

**Texas Senate race features Perry vs. Palin backdrop**

The Texas Senate GOP primary has now become a battle between Rick Perry and Sarah Palin.

Perry is featured in a new TV ad touting Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in the May 29 primary, while Palin is supporting former state solicitor general Ted Cruz in a new robo-call encouraging early voting.

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 10:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Today's Republican won't even stand up for what's right, even though they do so in private. It's like they've been economically castrated. We need to start calling individual politicians out on this. Landrieu should lead the way. Which GOP leaders Landrieu?

**Mary Landrieu: Republicans Privately Support Revenue Hikes In Debt Ceiling Deal**

"I've heard [GOP leaders] say it in private," Landrieu said. "I've been in meetings when they've said it. But not one has come to this floor to say, 'We're willing to put revenues on the table so that we can match some cuts and move this country forward.'"

nailingit — May 21, 2012 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails, Dee, and anyone else --

Actually, Dee, you weren't the one I meant. You and I share the habit of bouncing between here and the facebook side. We haven't limited our options; if the conversations here become uninteresting or redundant, we can always find something over there.

My point is that this forum has dropped from about 15 - 20 regular contributors, and several more drop-ins, to maybe 5 or 6. My point is that the primary concern should be to maintain a level of participation here so The Columbian sees the value in continuing it.

There was a major "fight" here, about a month ago, that led to about half the regulars quitting. Without taking sides - was that wise? And there were several warnings given that the attacks were becoming too personal, so ....

And the only reason numbers stay about the same is because Mr. Basil Seal has returned - he and frobert have reengaged their never ending back and forth - point by point - debate. (Occasionally quite interesting - depends on whether I'm interested in what they're covering at the moment.)

As for the comment about disrespect to Lord Basil - far from it. I disagree with his "requirement" for a source for every point - for you, Nails, to mimic that is what drew my response. I went through a spell where I read several of Evelyn Waugh's books, so I know the source of his assumed name. I'm just having fun with that.

So - take this for whatever you consider it worth. If nothing - so be it. To be quite frank, I'd say Lou B. has "won" the war - the discussions on local issues on facebook have become a lot more interesting over the past few months.

roger — May 22, 2012 at 5:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I guess I was always a skeptic. My Boy Scout troop was into building things, and we tried some of the theories on how Egyptians moved stone on log rollers, etc. Seemed like way to much work and time involved. I think it was my senior year in HS ('69) that someone loaned me a copy of Chariots of The Gods. I was a bit surprised that there were lots of other people with the same doubts on what we were being taught. And his examples - Pre-Incan Peruvians, Mayans, cannibalistic savages building Stonehenge - stuff I found interesting. I took a couple of courses in college, Comparative Religions and something else, that led me to question how most religions share the same stories about gods from on high, wars between good and evil, a great flood, etc, etc.

Van Daniken has been labeled a fraud - he apparently borrowed from Lovecraft and from some French guy. But his questions on why primitive cultures would (and could) build what they did remain largely unanswered.

roger — May 22, 2012 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- If you mean goldenoldie I believe it was manthou's assertion she was posting as crazytrain which seemed to drive her over the edge as far as her "GO" postings, (btw, I agree with manthou on the crazytrain thing to include "dee little" as well.) As we all know Geneveive was the last straw for the elisi avatar. This is what I meant when I said source your accusations. If you are bent on throwing them,(why are you? This is the kind of thing that gets tiring for many. The soap opera factor) relax with the curve balls, they...blur the lines.

What a ridiculous conversation to have! People come and go and post as they please.

*the discussions on local issues on facebook have become a lot more interesting over the past few months.*

Whatever floats your boat roger. The times that I read FB it's the same old insults from the same old people (kind of like in here but with more avatars!) & Matt having to constantly warn the adults to behave. Some enjoy and thrive in that type of environment, to which I say, enjoy.

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So much drama!

**Sarah Palin: Jeremiah Wright Is Fair Game (VIDEO)**

On Monday night, Palin said that Republicans need to fight "tooth and nail" in 2012. Asked about who she sees as a strong possible GOP vice presidential candidate, the former governor reiterated her view that Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) could be a strong pick.

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So, Basil...

Where you been all this time? You disappear and then you come back with no explanation. Your "family" deserves better!

hawkeye — May 22, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

After seeing both interviews from meet the press then Mr> bookers retreat, i truly think his feelings were well heard on Sunday then our presidents henhmen come knocking down his dam door asking WTH are you doing... He is in the center of the fire storm and in the lead as Mitt romney main spokes person right now. I'm sure you've seen the ads by now...
Free speach under this pesident even within his onw party doesn't exist. He controls most of what the media puts out and try's to quash any personal negativity..
Mr Romney can stand proud on his business accomplishments...Obama will be out with his henchmen trying to dig up every little bit of dirt he can find. Romney has been mainly focusing on one issue. Obamas failed jobs plan..Which he has never had a plan except to spend 500million on shovel ready jobs that never dug a hole or ditch.

vanwadreamer — May 22, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa @ 9:51- Maddow captured "the interview" yesterday with Booker. Here is a video/transcript from yesterday. Don't worry vanwa, in spite of what O'Reilly has told you, your skin won't melt while watching a MSNBC show! (kidding!) (I think) (no intentional character assassination) (humor intended!) (don't crucify me, I've already been nailed!) (eggshells on the horizon) (keep it real!) Peace!

Some of you on the right are pretty sensitive vanwa, just want to cover my bases!

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What timing.... I appreciate your candid intellect and humor at times... No worries here about over sensitivity.. I bridged that gap when I was 22..LOL...She didn't want to move with me...darn it....Thought I couldn't be turned down...
What is Obama's presidential Platform anyway. Turning economy around, no..Adding jobs No.... creating more welfare recipients..YES. More people counting on others Gov't assistance yes... Better regulations so things like Solyndra couldn't happen on his watch,NO!:) or how about more government taxpayer waste under his watch, just to name a few.

vanwadreamer — May 22, 2012 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

you forgot the price of gas, too. the buck stops somewhere, right?

better check out your R's. Instead of cutting the deficit, they're planning to whack SS, medicare, etc. and pass the cuts over to the Defense Dept for a net reduction of zippo.
wonder how that'll sit with the baggers when they see their congress giving the Defense Dept MORE than the dept itself budgeted and for systems they don't even want-now there's some big wasted $$$. All the while they're paying more & more for health care as cuts set in. Maybe they figure they won't age, don't know.

With Romney in to rubber stamp a tea-bagger's House, we will self-enact our own austerity programs which are failing big time in Europe.

Obama & Congress have done little for the economy except fight tooth and nail for 2 years and accomplishing nothing.

mrd — May 22, 2012 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- In all seriousness, what has Romney proposed that won't take us back to the Bush years? When we were losing close to a million jobs......every month! At least we've had positive job growth. A responsible Congress would help. When Congress doesn't even allow a jobs bill to be voted on....

Again, how does Romney differ from Bush? Foreign policy, economic policy...Romney's staff is loaded with Bush advisors top to bottom.

Do you forget the Bush bailouts, the severe job losses, the unpaid wars, trillions in unpaid tax breaks for the wealthy, unpaid prescription drug's important to remember the how, why, and who for this economic downturn.

Again. What has Romney proposed that won't take us back to the Bush years? No new ideas. Nothing. Just a Massachusetts uber wealthy elitist who by and large profited from breaking up businesses, who ranked 47th in the job creation department as Gov.. How can you ignore his record as Governor?

When will Romney grant an interview on anything but Fox news? He needs to start articulating policy. Meet the Press, Face the Nation, take questions from the press, town hall meetings etc. A number of shows he could do. If he was proud of Bain and being Gov, why doesn't he exploit them instead of running from his record. It's "character assassination" to even inquire about his record.

vanwa...stand back from the trees and take a hard look.

You know you love the big O. Quit rejecting him and go to papa!

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

More news about the "made up by Democrats" war on women.

**Planned Parenthood In Pennsylvania May Be Defunded**

Pennsylvania State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler) will introduce legislation on Wednesday that would defund Planned Parenthood, adding his state to a list of four others that have pending bills to strip public funds from the family planning provider.

Planned Parenthood clinics receive a substantial percentage of their money through state and federal government funding streams, including Medicaid and Titles V, X and XX. The clinics use the funds to offer breast cancer screenings, STD testing and treatment, pap smears, maternity care and other medical services for low-income and uninsured patients. None of this money can legally be used to pay for abortions, which make up less than 3 percent of the services Planned Parenthood performs, but anti-abortion activists regularly make the argument that any money the organization receives will indirectly fund abortions.

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, that was quite the font ejaculation.....

mr_basil_seal — May 22, 2012 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sir Basil - Hilarious!! My respect for your wit reaches a new high.

roger — May 22, 2012 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's what got 'Life' site's panties in a twist:

What Are the Benefits of Masturbation?
Masturbation can be good for mental and physical health. People who feel good about their bodies, sex, and masturbation are more likely to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases and unintended pregnancy.

Masturbation is also one of the best ways we can learn about our sexuality. It can help us explore the types of touch we like the most and help us learn how to get excited and how to reach orgasm.

Learning about what feels good to you can increase your chance of feeling sexual pleasure with sex partners. When you know what you like when it comes to sex, your comfort with sex increases. And when your confidence and comfort level are high, it is easier to let your partner know what you like.

Masturbation can enhance our physical, mental, and sexual health and the health of our sexual relationships. Masturbation may

create a sense of well-being
enhance sex with partners, physically and emotionally
help people learn how they like to be touched and stimulated sexually
increase the ability to have orgasms
improve relationship and sexual satisfaction
improve sleep
increase self-esteem and improve body image
provide sexual pleasure for people without partners, including the elderly
provide sexual pleasure for people who choose to abstain from sex play with another person
provide treatment for sexual dysfunction
reduce stress
release sexual tension
relieve menstrual cramps and muscle tension
strengthen muscle tone in the pelvic and anal areas, reducing women’s chances of involuntary urine leakage and uterine prolapse

Mutual Masturbation
Masturbation is often thought of as a solo act. However, many people also enjoy mutual masturbation. Mutual masturbation is two or more people masturbating in one another’s presence. In addition to the potential benefits of masturbation listed above, mutual masturbation may
be a safe way to explore sex play with another person with no risk for pregnancy or sexually transmitted infections (Because partners are not touching each other, there is no risk of infection — and no risk of pregnancy unless semen gets on a woman’s vulva.)
provide sexual pleasure and intimacy before partners are ready for sex play
teach people what kind of touch their sex partners like

mr_basil_seal — May 22, 2012 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**What Are Some Common Myths About Masturbation?**

There are many myths about masturbation. You might have heard it is harmful or leads to strange behavior. The myths are just not true. Here are the facts:


does NOT cause hair to grow on the palms of hands or other strange places
does NOT lead to blindness
does NOT make sex organs shrink or grow or change color, texture, or appearance
does NOT stunt growth
does NOT cause infertility — men and boys will not run out of sperm
is NOT addictive
does NOT cause injury or harm
does NOT lead to mental illness or instability
does NOT make you gay

mr_basil_seal — May 22, 2012 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, There was that little event in Chicago....

**Attorney: "NATO 3" Activists Detained on Terror Charges in Chicago Are Victims of Police Entrapment**

You know, what happened was, we at the National Lawyers Guild have been—have a legal support hotline, so we’ve been available 24 hours a day to get phone calls from people on the street about what’s happening, you know, where the police have been present, what kind of police misconduct has been happening, where people are arrested.

So we received word of this midnight raid. And as soon as we received that word, we began to look for our clients. And we tried every echelon of the city of Chicago and the Chicago Police Department, as their lawyers, looking for our clients in police custody, and we could get nowhere. We called every police station. We called the superintendent’s office. We called the corporation counsel’s office, which is the city attorney’s office. And they would not tell us that they had our clients in custody. They would not tell us that our clients had ever been arrested. And they would not confirm to us that there was a raid. So we, through our own investigation, were searching and searching and finally found these individuals at 4:00 p.m. the day after they had been taken away and held in secret for the day.

In the course of that time, we interviewed other people who were present for the raid, who observed it, and we learned some of the items that were confiscated by the police department included beer-making equipment. The individuals who live in that house are home brewers. It’s a hobby that they have. And so, at least we know some of what has been confiscated by the police department is this home brewing equipment.

But, Amy, we have not seen any search warrant in this case. We have not seen any affidavit of probable cause. And we certainly have not seen any inventory of anything that was confiscated. So we are still really in the dark about what the state is claiming that the police department has to support these really sensationalized allegations.

mr_basil_seal — May 22, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal

cRAYzy @ 7:48- Such unwarranted vitriol! :)))))

Get a grip! :)))))

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I guess we could ask why crazy went so wacky about wanking....

mr_basil_seal — May 22, 2012 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal- Some things are better off left alone.

Hey. That's what he said! LOL!

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd @ 4:17 & others. This is some really scary stuff. It lends definition to "may God help us".

GOP leaders would have America become a true Oligarchy/Corporatocracy/A lotta other bad archy's & ocracy's type of "democracy". Scary scary stuff.

**Paul Ryan expects mandate for GOP**

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan predicted Tuesday that November’s elections could bring a broad mandate for the Republican Party to enact aggressive reforms to the nation’s finances.

In a nearly 30-minute speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, Ryan, a top name in the Republican Party, repeatedly evoked the Gipper as he called for changes to taxes and entitlements that Ryan said would parallel Reagan’s first year in office.

“We will not only win the next election — we have a unique opportunity to sweep and remake the political landscape,” the Wisconsin congressman said in a speech occasionally punctuated with applause and laughter.

Read more:

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.

"..evoked the Gipper.."
"...and laughter."
"...first year..."

mr_basil_seal — May 22, 2012 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal- Hopefully "pride goes before a fall" will be honored in this case.

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 9:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The arrogance of Republican leadership seems to rest on the disinformation the republican constituency so openly embraces from it's leaders. Scary stuff when truth takes a back seat to propaganda in a Presidential election.

The same "patriots" that swift boated John Kerry are working for the Romney campaign.

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 9:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A real story.

From real people.

nailingit — May 22, 2012 at 11:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney reassembles Bush foreign policy team

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 5:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Paul Krugman: We Could End This Depression Right Now**

The Nobel laureate talks about Washington, Europe and the bizarre alternate universe inhabited by deficit fear-mongering media and political elites.

The central message of Paul Krugman's new book, End This Depression Now! is simple: It doesn't have to be like this. No external dynamic is keeping unemployment at more than 8 percent and consigning a generation of young workers to an economy in which risk is plentiful and opportunities scarce. It is only a failure of political will -- and an almost universal embrace of conservative voodoo economics – that is keeping us mired in this dark economic moment.

Of the 2009 stimulus, Krugman writes, “Those who had more or less the right ideas about what the economy needed, including President Obama, were timid, never willing either to acknowledge just how much action was required or to admit later on that what they did in the first round was inadequate.” Instead of treating the dismal jobs picture as a crisis requiring their full attention, Washington “pivoted” to talking about the deficit – a phantom menace -- at precisely the wrong time. “People with the wrong ideas,” Krugman writes, “were vehement and untroubled by self-doubt.”

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


a Paul Ryan quote from the article you linked:

“This is a national trendsetting election in Wisconsin … and courage is on the ballot,” Ryan said. “What people don’t see [is] these reforms are really working well."

A recall election is trendsetting? Maybe people don't see these reforms working because, well, they're not working by their measurement-besides if everything's hunky dorry, why a recall election? Not exactly a ringing endorsement of "reforms".

"Courage on the ballot"? Again, it's a recall election.

mrd — May 23, 2012 at 7:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil seal @ 5:54- Chris Hayes makes a salient point in that the right has never owned up to the monumental mistake the Iraq war was. We the people, the press and this administration fail to hold the Bush clan's feet to the fire in a meaningful way. I'm afraid we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

As brought out in the vid, 17 of 24 Romney foreign policy advisors are leftovers from the Bush administration. If the economy is to decide this election, Obama needs to pound home that foreign policy and America's economy are inseparably linked, and by and large are not separate issues.

Colin Powell had something to say about Romney/Foreign Policy today.

**Colin Powell Trashes Mitt Romney's Team Of Foreign Policy Advisers**

WASHINGTON -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell on Wednesday questioned Mitt Romney's choice in foreign policy advisers, saying that some are so right-wing that the advice they give deserves "second thought."

"I don't know who all of his advisers are, but I've seen some of the names and some of them are quite far to the right. And sometimes they might be in a position to make judgments or recommendations to the candidate that should get a second thought," Powell said during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

He gave the example of Romney recently saying that Russia is the "number one geopolitical foe" to the United States.

"Come on Mitt, think," Powell said. "That isn't the case."

Romney's team of about 40 foreign policy advisers includes many who hail from the neoconservative wing of the party, according to a May analysis conducted by the The Nation. Many were enthusiastic supporters of the Iraq War, and many are proponents of a U.S. or Israeli attack on Iran.

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd @ 7:11 Just the fact more than enough signatures were collected to enact a recall to begin with speaks volumes. With the dems being heavily outspent, Walker could survive this. If he does I'm sure the right will hail it as a victory/mandate, despite the historically embarrassing recall in the first place.

Now it seems they are redefining the word courage! :((

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And of course the Christian conservative mindset is a little blown at the moment.

It could explain the uptick with the birther movement.

(God I love this vid!)

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


1) yet (adverb)
2) yet (conjunction)

Definition of YET

a : in addition : besides
b : even 2c
c : on top of everything else : no less
a (1) : up to now : so far —often used to imply the negative of a following infinitive (2) : at this or that time : so soon as now
b : continuously up to the present or a specified time : still
c : at a future time : eventually
: nevertheless, however
— as yet
: up to the present or a specified time
— yet again
: one more time
See yet defined for English-language learners »
See yet defined for kids »
Examples of YET

His latest novel is his best one yet.
I haven't read the book yet.
Has the mail arrived yet?
It's not time to eat yet.
“Are you ready?” “No, not yet.”
We don't yet know what their plans are.
Their suggestions won't be implemented, at least not yet.
We don't have a firm grasp of the situation yet.
Origin of YET

Middle English, from Old English gīet; akin to OldFrisian ieta yet
First Known Use: before 12th century
Related to YET

Synonyms: eventually, finally, someday, sometime, sooner or later, ultimately, at last (or at long last), at length, in the end, in the fullness of time, in time
Antonyms: henceforth, henceforward, hereafter, thenceforth, thenceforward (also thenceforwards), thereafter
Rhymes with YET

bet, debt, fret, get, het, jet, let, Lett, met, net, pet, ret, set, stet, sweat, Tet, threat, vet, wet, whet
Learn More About YET

Thesaurus: All synonyms and antonyms for "yet"
Spanish-English Dictionary: Translation of "yet"

Next Word in the Dictionary: yetapa
Previous Word in the Dictionary: yesty
All Words Near: yet
Seen & Heard

What made you want to look up yet? *Powell isn't endorsing Obama either!*

Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). The 'C', of course!

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Your speaking of the wrong big "O"....BTW what did BO do to "earn" the Nobel Peace Prize.... Maybe he can use what he did to earn it as his platform for re election because it had to be something that benefited millions..Right.. Why isn't he expounding on the virtue of a sitting president winning the Nobel Peace Prize??? I'm waiting with open arms and open mind:)

vanwadreamer — May 23, 2012 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- It's a pretty weak argument against Obama to use his Nobel Laureate status against him, just sayin'! :)))

*Why isn't he expounding on the virtue of a sitting president winning the Nobel Peace Prize???*

Priorities vanwa. I'm guessing bringing back job growth the way he has, killing Bin Laden, saving the American car industry, talking about corporate profits being at an all time high while effective corporate tax rates being at an all time low, ending the Iraq war, withdrawal in Afghanistan, immigration numbers lowering, etc., I'm guessing these Issues/facts speak more to the voter.

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm waiting with open arms and open mind:)

vanwadreamer — May 23, 2012 at 9:54 a.m

Surely you jest

( I know, I don't jest and don't call me Shirley)

hawkeye — May 23, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ann Romney: We'll have to "unzip" the real Mitt
By Matthew Shelley Topics Campaign 2012

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is introduced by his wife Ann. Ann Romney, wife of the Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, says her husband is not a "stiff" kind of guy -- contrary to how some people may perceive him.
When asked in an interview with Baltimore's WBAL radio if she has to fend off criticism about her husband's allegedly "stiff" personality, Ann Romney laughed it off. "I guess we better unzip 'em and let the real Mitt Romney out, because he is not," she said.

Sounds like Mitt might be an ol' softy after all...perhaps we should DNA test his children.

Somehow and in some way I think George & Barbara are mixed up in this.

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 11:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Should i call you Shirley??:) Great stupid movie but if it was a rainy day what else to do huh? Unless your basil... Hands off that subject..
Nail, End of Iraq war dec 2012..One of his 2008 campain promises he couldn't keep was to get them out in 16 months..Oh yea that was just another campain promise he couldn't keep. Any sitting presdient would have gotten them out in dec 2012.. Come on don't try to pull the wool over me, like HBO....Withdrawl in Afganistan.. Now thats a good one.. I already told you our troops and most of the educated world doesn't or didn't know why we were there in the first place.. As soon as we leave do your think the governmet will be able to do what they couldn't do before?? I and our troops think not...Saved the American car Industry..How was that.. Through the loans... See thats where many differ. They would have come back and in some cases even stronger with better management..Ford didn't need his handout... Imigration.. He is lost on imigration. I do know the biggest reason if any that this number may be going down is our economy sucks and many illegals are moving back south...Corporate tax rates. Whats his stand here. It's really no different than Mitt's. There "kinda" both for some tax reform but both lack the ability to make change here. Neither has a real proposal on the table.. But we have hope and change that if BHO gets elected he will work on it.. Really between all his rounds of golf, vacations and meetings with digs.. When will he have time to get anything done , he is just so busy.. And he has kids to raise, when will he have time to be a good parent??? He is a fraud, just like he was in the house in Chicago.. Ok someone infiltrated BiLadens sphere and the pres sent in the Navy Seals to kill him.. Really, some people think you cut off the head the body will die, not in this case because of semantics.. Lets look at his Foreign policies. name a country that he has improved our relations with?? We will probably have to wait 4 more years

vanwadreamer — May 23, 2012 at 1:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.

Huh? or What?

Maybe he went to visit Drift

hawkeye — May 23, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In March, an Arizona sheriff declared Obama's birth certificate a forgery following an investigation by a "volunteer posse," or group of untrained citizens, acting at the request of conservative Tea Party activists in the Phoenix area.

Not content with Bennett's probe, the office of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said on Wednesday that an investigator with this volunteer posse and a deputy detective had been sent to Hawaii in recent days to carry out their own investigation.

If we aren't already, this should seal the deal on American politics being the laughing stock of the western world. Now if we can get a super captialist-Romney-heading up the baggers' posse, we'll be good to go-broke.

mrd — May 23, 2012 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd- Now the Arizona taxpayers are funding this "investigation". What a joke!


**Emanuela Orlandi Was 'Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties,' Claims Father Gabriele Amorth**

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Will the right believe the WSJ? Mitt & the right falsely portray Obama's record so much many believe it true.

**Obama spending binge never happened**
Rex Nutting
Commentary: Government outlays rising at slowest pace since 1950s
May 22, 2012|Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

**But it didn’t happen.** Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Marketwatch & facts just gave President Obama a HUGE boost. Watch the campaign ads address this!

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thats the same people as well as others that said Facebook's opening bid was about right, now they come back and say wait a minute..The insider trading is of even larger concern.. Don't look at just one segment use several sources as well as face to face with people in the know.. It's too easy to keep clicking your fav place HUFPO.. try some other lame stream outlets...OBTW I just gave BHO a big boost, with da Footsie and maybe out da door in the fall.

vanwadreamer — May 23, 2012 at 3:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- Wake up dude. I sourced the Wall Street Journal. The topic was spending. What the hell???

Somebody check on vanwa. His lucidity is lacking!

Are you okay vanwa? What day is it? What year is it. What finger am I holding up? :))

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — May 23, 2012 at 1:02 p.m

*Great stupid movie but if it was a rainy day what else to do huh? Unless your basil.*

I didn't know hawkeye was growing basil.....

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


a few days away and then reading a number of comments through. You guys are a hoot actually. The last half of today was a nice funny mixture.

I am going out of town, need to escape rain. Have a nice weekend all, keep up the posting so I can read on Tuesday and don't argue too much.

luvithere — May 23, 2012 at 5:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Have a fun safe trip luvit. Please bring us some sun!

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 5:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk, man... (2:01 PM) what'a ya wanna get after me for? If'n the cat had'a come by he'd be all full of intro and retrospect. Not...

Heh. Snork.

Drift — May 23, 2012 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gotcha Drift, not gettin after you, just thought he might have lifted some "medicine" from you. I don't know what he's on but he needs to sleep it off.

hawkeye — May 23, 2012 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit, please be careful out there, there are some crazies on the road lately. Lots of stories about semis falling over and power poles jumping out in front of cars and stuff like that. Remember, buckle up and drive defensively.

See ya Tuesday

hawkeye — May 23, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 4:27 p.m

Gave up growing basil at the same thyme I quit growing parsley and sage.

hawkeye — May 23, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Rep. Mike Coffman Flops During Interview When Asked To Explain Birther Comments, Repeats Same Phrase 5 Times (VIDEO)**

On Twitter, Clark called the whole exchange the most "bizarre encounter" he's ever had with a politician, speculating during the interview that Coffman's being told to lie low.

The congressman has been doing just that since a fundraiser attendee caught him on camera sharing some startling thoughts about President Barack Obama, stating:

I don't know whether Barack Obama was born in the United States of America. I don't know that. But I do know this, that in his heart, he's not an American. He's just not an American.

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- Check in after you wake up. I hope you didn't mix things up too much.

Sometimes intervention can help. If someone would have come to Boehner's aid early in life, he never would have been Republican's top dog. Only an obnoxious drunk would pass out checks from the tobacco industry on the House floor. John earned his GOP monkey badge with that one. We all have suffered for his actions.

Normally I mind my own business about such matters. But in your case vanwa I am compelled to be pro-active. Take care. Pharmaceuticals & alcohol many times don't jive to well when taken in excess. (not to assume anything) You might want to consider God's green earth as a viable, natural, pleasing, healing, wonderful alternative.

Easier on the liver too!

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think we had a couple of posters here a recent while back that used some of these same phrases....

"An anonymous organization in Rock County, Wisconsin is distributing flyers targeting public school teachers for fighting back against Governor Scott Walker’s (R) cuts to education and accusing them of “false indoctrination,” the “sexualization of minor children,” and advancing a **“Marxist/Globalist agenda** in Wisconsin’s Schools.”

The flyers, sent to parents across the Janesville School District, list hundreds of teachers and their annual salaries, along with a plea for residents to contact the school district administration and ask that their child “be assigned to a classroom taught by a non-radical teacher.” Another brochure claims that teachers “dumbed down” the curriculum and teach revisionist and “anti-American” history. “Parents, do you want your children to be free Americans or slaves to the United Nations?” it asks. See the flyers, obtained by ThinkProgress:"

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, that didn't work so well, in spite of this excellent forum's software preview showing it was embedded... (sarc off)

So, a CBS News vid about the record heat and Anthropogenic Climate Change

Must-See CBS News: We Are ‘Living On A Planet With A Fever…. This Is Our Society’s Sink Or Swim Moment’

By Joe Romm on May 20, 2012 at 12:21 pm

The CBS Evening News had one of the best segments ever on manmade global warming. The piece is headlined on their website, “Assessing the risk of climate change” with this description:

The past 12 months were the hottest on record, and forecasters are predicting high temperatures across the U.S. this summer. Science and environment contributor M. Sanjayan explains the risk of climate change.

Watch it:

Kudos to CBS News for running this segment with Sanjayan, who is “the lead scientist for The Nature Conservancy.” Let’s hope CBS makes it a regular feature.

Unfortunately, there is also a post about Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) said that labeling heat-trapping carbon dioxide a pollutant is “propaganda.”...

How do those guys get out of 8th grade science?

mr_basil_seal — May 23, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal @ 8:01- Sounds like a small reduced sampling of what a 2012 Republican victory would be like. McCarthyism on steroids.


Tax em' & Book em' Danno

**Pastor Ronnie Spriggs Urged Congregation To Vote Against Obama; Targeted By Americans United for Separation of Church and State**

nailingit — May 23, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona's secretary of state said Wednesday that Hawaii's official verification of President Barack Obama's birth records meets necessary requirements, meaning the president's name will appear on Arizona's ballot in the fall.

The inquiry launched recently by Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett gave official weight to a long-simmering political controversy generated by those who say that Obama was not born in the U.S. and therefore is ineligible to hold the nation's highest office.

hawkeye — May 23, 2012 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...DARN there are a passle of irrelevant posts lately.

anybody hear about the pakastanis putting one of our ben laden sources in prison for 30 years....? at the same time we're giving their gvt triple-digit millions for their military...?

doncha just LOVE internationalism.

DeeLittle — May 23, 2012 at 11:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I swear, the day I hang up my drivers license I will go out and weld a length of rail road track to the bumper and go out and aim for every stupid driver that cuts me off. I will just say that they took a chance that I wouldn't hit them, by accident of course. I may not get very far but oh what fun I'll have, eh.

I quit commuting a few years ago but now I'm doing it again for a while. I'm just amazed at the amount of crazies allowed to get a license. Again I saw a LEO stop someone in the carpool lane to give her a ticket. Nice going. It caused a backup. Here's a piece of advice. Let them get over the bridge and they are able to pull over without impeding the flow of traffic.

Irrelevant enough I believe, eh Dee. LOL

I think I'll retire early and start tomorrow.

JohnCasey — May 24, 2012 at 4:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Reid Grows Some** (hang in there Harry!)

“I am not going to back off the sequestration,” Reid said. “That’s the law we passed. We did it because it wouldn’t make things easy for us. It made it so we would have to do something. And if we didn’t, these cuts would kick in.”
“To now see the Republicans scrambling to do away with the cuts to defense, I will not accept that,” Reid said. “My people — in the state of Nevada and I think the country — have had enough of whacking all the programs. We’ve cut them to a bare bone, and defense is going to have to bear their share of the burden.”

Read more:

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**My break with the extreme right**
I worked for Reagan and wrote for National Review. But the new hysterical right cares nothing for truth or dignity

I was always way ahead of the curve. And my exposés primarily appeared in right-wing publications. Back when they were interested in serious research. I also founded a conservative college newspaper, held positions in the Reagan administration and at several conservative think tanks, and published five books that conservatives applauded. I’ve written for umpteen major conservative publications – National Review, the Weekly Standard, the Wall Street Journal and Forbes, among them.

But no longer. That was the old right. The last thing hysteria promoters want is calm, reasoned argument backed by facts. And I’m horrified that these people have co-opted the name “conservative” to scream their messages of hate and anger.

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Romney bumps up against the “stained glass ceiling”**

“It’s not that Romney is a religious man. It’s not that he’s a church leader. It’s not that he is open with his faith,” says Dr. John Green, co-author of the study and director of The Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at The University of Akron. “It is that his Mormon faith, in particular, makes many people uneasy. And that unease has political consequences.” Green co-authored the article, published in Springer Science+Business Media’s journal, Political Behavior, with David Campbell of the University of Notre Dame and Quin Monson of Brigham Young University.

“Our findings suggest that the type of campaign messaging that can sway voters away from supporting Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon will be difficult to counter,” says Green.

If there is sustained contact by a minority group across religious boundaries (the authors call that “interreligious bridging”), the result is more religious tolerance in the political sphere. But a religious “out-group” like Mormonism has not yet created those social bridges.

The authors believe the study findings can apply to political candidates from other small and distinctive communities, like Muslims or Sikhs.;=Top%20Story%20Headline&crumbTitle;=Romney%20bumps%20up%20against%20the%20“stained%20glass%20ceiling”

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I sampled some good from the earth last nite, picked some spinach and radishes and some lettuce, sorry not hippi lettuce either. trying to figure out what to do or where to go this weekend. Wanna take the Fly rod out a see if I can't drag something big to the shore and possibly sample it later.. Went up the gorge a couple weeks ago, It is such a beautifull drive with the sun shinning on the rivers and lakes along 14... I was reading the FB side to see what people were saying about JHB jobs fair and what I assumed prior to reading the article is about what I thought people would say. If the job fair produced 100 jobs it still wouldn't saitsy the same nay sayers..Just saying...

vanwadreamer — May 24, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- *sorry not hippi lettuce either.* :)

I renewed my med card last week & out of say twenty patients the average age was about 50 and the dress respectably casual/professional. Although "hippi"s" are more than cool depending on your definition of such. Judge not lest you be judged. :)

*trying to figure out what to do or where to go this weekend.*

I hope you have a GPS or a responsible adult providing direction vanwa. Your response @ vanwadreamer — May 23, 2012 at 3:22 p.m. was less than coherent as well as a little disturbing! :) Glad you are okay.

*Wanna take the Fly rod out a see if I can't drag something big to the shore and possibly sample it later..*

If that's code for dating, good luck to you vanwa!

*I was reading the FB side to see what people were saying about JHB jobs fair*

JHB...isn't that an illegal drug which induces helplessness & memory loss? How can a substantial number of jobs result from this?

Have a great weekend vanwa. I'm thinking of a drive to Olympia and meditating on the capital steps. I might take my JAB (John Andrew Boehner) doll with and give it a stab. Be careful driving, even though they number 1 10th of 1% of 1% of 1%, there are some frustrated Ron Paul supporters who might take out their frustrations behind the wheel.

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Renewed mine the beginning of the month, nail. I'm going on my sixth year. I must confess, I was the wildest looking individual of the whole bunch. Heh!

Drift — May 24, 2012 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

i miss fishing.

i miss going to the wild, beautiful places where little streams hide rainbow trout.

cooking them up over a (safe) campfire after the day's catch is done.

>sigh< that's the way it is for old, disabled people with ruined knees.

DeeLittle — May 24, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Drift! On my third and was overseas before that. Some still stereo-type. ref. vanwa "hippi" comment. A door that sometimes swings both ways. At your signing I wasn't sure where the line was or where to stand to meet & get my book autographed. I stood next to some folks for several minutes thinking it was a line. (I've never been to a high falootin' book signing before! :) ) My first time in an American bar for a number of years. (I found out a few years ago alcohol & one of my ailments = a shortened life), Anyway this gal I was next to kept frowning at me like I was a cop or something. I couldn't blame her I guess. After awhile I moved away and rapped with a really nice guy from Oregon. (I think he was selling a bike) before we met. Anywhoo..I don't mean to rap too much. Laid up at the moment and dealing with pain & medicine to include prescribed Vikes. :) I get talkative on these things!

Sometimes I'm not the most socially adaptable person around and can be...

...misunderstood. :)

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- I remember you spoke of playing keyboard in a prior post.

Check out the (I believe to be Hammond organ)

Eric is living the dream!

And the girl...

And the girl...!

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

OMG you have me LMFAO.... I only wish I could have the literary handle you have.. I was not trying to put down "Hippie" or MED Marijuana.. Trust me I have often wondered how it would help my back at times. I don't take anything more than alieve anymore but sometimes are in need of much stronger... On the Fly fishing side, it is just great for the mind and body..There are so many places to fish within a few hours’ drive time..That drive to Olympia has to be the most boring drive there is in the state...You'll feel more refreshed and re invigorated than going to the dam capitol...That would be the last place I would go...have a great drive though, no Texting and put your seatbelt on, heightened patrols this weekend.. Have a great weekend all:):)

vanwadreamer — May 24, 2012 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***See, even China gets it***

Continued weakness in China's economic data, as well as growing risks of a Greek exit from the euro zone, will drive Beijing to launch aggressive stimulus measures in order to prevent a further deterioration of growth in the world's second largest economy, economists and strategists tell CNBC.

On Thursday, the HSBC Flash Purchasing Managers Index (PMI), the earliest indicator of China's industrial activity, fell to 48.7 in May from a final reading of 49.3 in April. It marked the seventh straight month that the HSBC PMI has been below 50, indicating contraction.

"All signs point to the fact that the slowdown is not letting up as fast as authorities had expected, partly because of challenging external conditions and partly because of the fact their tightening last year was too effective," Donna Kwok, HSBC, Greater China economist, told CNBC Asia's "Cash Flow."

***"We are going to have to see more active support being directed directly to consumer and business rather than through the monetary system via the banks," Kwok added.***

"We are going to have to see more active support being directed directly to consumer and business rather than through the monetary system via the banks," Kwok added.

China, which began to tighten its monetary policy in late 2009 to stem rising inflation , is now facing a sharp slowdown in the economic activity, raising fears of a hard landing for the economy.

In a sign the government is already growing worried about the slowdown, a state-backed newspaper reported on Tuesday that China will fast-track approvals for infrastructure investment.

Dariusz Kowalczyk, senior economist and strategist, Asia ex-Japan, at Credit Agricole, said the weak HSBC Flash PMI data strengthen the case for easing and he expects more fiscal stimulus.

"The focus of the stimulus is likely to be on the fiscal side, probably as a 'mini-Lehman crisis' package of state-directed lending for investments in infrastructure, because this is the fastest way to boost aggregate demand," he said in a note to clients

hawkeye — May 24, 2012 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, the keyboard I "play" is the one I'm currently pounding on. The bike thing... There was a time I was an avid motorcyclist. Both 'street' and track stuff. I've been (somewhat) forced to retire from that activity. Still, I associate with motorcycles and their riders. I've got stories, man! Heh.

Vanwa, there was a time I enjoyed the fishin' (frog giggin',and catching crawdad's, too), but then I moved to the PNW around 25 ago. I opened the rule book - gave it a quick pass - and decided there was no way I was going to keep all'a that straight. These waters, those. These fish, those.

Still, before my "official" retirement myself and the family would go up to Forlorn Lakes once a year and pitch tents for four days. They stock those mud holes, but I never pulled anything out.

The s-i-l had good luck at Goose Lake a few times. I don't think they were Rainbows, but Browns.

Is Panther Crick open for fishing?

Off to watch that Burdon vid...

Drift — May 24, 2012 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- *Nail, the keyboard I "play" is the one I'm currently pounding on*

Keep on pounding Drift. Let us know when your next write is ready.

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Amnesty International Cites Canada's Refusal To Arrest George W. Bush In Human Rights Report**;=Politics

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Chuck Schumer Denounces Eduardo Saverin Defenders, Nazi Comparisons As 'Appalling'** (UPDATE)

Schumer added that he found it troubling that conservatives would lionize someone like Saverin, who was called an American hero on Forbes' website.

"Can you believe it? An American hero? Renouncing your citizenship now qualifies as heroic for the hard right wing?" Schumer said.

He argued that most Americans consider supporting their country to be more patriotic than renouncing it and that people who grow rich in America are helped along the way by schools, police and other public investments, all supported by taxpayers.

"No one gets rich in America on their own," Schumer said. "And when people do well in America, they should do well by America. I believe the vast majority of Americans believe this too."

Saverin has moved to Singapore, a country that does not tax capital gains.

Schumer argued that right wing support for Saverin's move is a bad sign for the nation, suggesting that it will be all but impossible to agree on debt and deficit reduction if the right now places tax rates above everything else, including citizenship.

"This has gone so far, this idolatry they have taken to such an extreme end, [that] they make Eduardo Saverin into their patron saint," Schumer said. "In the name of low taxes for the wealthy, they have lionized an inherently unpatriotic person."

"It is scary. It is a scary, absurd place where even a tax dodger who renounces America for his own 30 pieces of silver is celebrated as a patriot and an American hero. It is perverse," said the senator. "I am appalled by making heroic a man who renounces citizenship to escape a tax rate of capital gains of 15 percent."

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 4:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Used to be a lot of decent fishing lakes off of WA 507 between Tenino and Roy. I remember Clear Lake near Rainier was good, and a couple of them further up in the Yelm area. Some of the bigger brown trout I'd ever seen (compared to what we caught back east, anyhow) were caught in either Hicks or Chambers Lake.

But that was about 20 years ago - I'm sure development has caused them all to be overrun and fished out.

What I was taught as a kid - if you find a good spot, keep it quiet!! - is truer than ever.

roger — May 24, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.

RE: Saverin. Many of our immigrants came here because of economic reasons. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I sort of recall many (if not most) countries slapped a heavy exit tax (or whatever) on assets before allowing them to leave the country. Why do we allow our citizens to stash their money in offshore accounts?

Still, this guy is another detraction. The real problem is US corporations allowed to run their manufacturing/technical customer service/etc operations overseas - thereby maximizing profits for their investors while crippling the working/middle classes of this country. Unregulated capitalism is a failed model - unless you're a proponent of the one world economy, in which case many of us are living in the wrong country.

The airlines are a classic example. How many did we bail out in the couple of years after 9/11? United, Delta, US Air, among others? Granted, the $15 billion or so handed to them under the Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act is pocket change compared to what we've given to the banks, car companies,, but look at their arrogance over the past couple of years. And you can probably magnify this several more times by the time the banks get done with us.

What's the fix? I don't know. I think some variation of Socialism (which is why I lean toward Chomsky as being the true Libertarian prophet - not all those Cato Institute types froberg follows!!).

roger — May 24, 2012 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger-*What's the fix? I don't know. I think some variation of Socialism*

I don't know either roger. I think whatever form we settle on, our Government should be absolutely transparent. The only times not for National Security, and then with few exceptions. I think philosophy, to include political, mirrors life in that it's multi-faceted, complex and should be measured prismatically if that makes any sense. I've always believed that true American democracy should take lessons learned from other government "isms" to include socialism, and apply what works for the common good.

I think a big problem now, and tell me if you think I'm wrong, I think the intentions of the hard right is to stop American government from functioning. The Ron Paul mindset would destroy government spending & programs at most levels, tax cuts & D.O.D. being the exception to most wingers. When you have a group of politicians whose only mission is to impede government or to make laws to do away with government/gov spending, whose goal is to do away with the last fifty years or so of progress, both social & economical, and do it with a religious fervor of no compromise, there's a real problem. Even though the House approval rating is in the gutter, there's the corporate backed select group of wingers with loud voices with $$$ who believe the House is doing a superb job. By doing nothing or starving programs. Filibuster has taken on a whole new meaning. It doesn't seem .. American.

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- And then there's the Senate...

**Student loan bills stall in Senate**

Republicans want to divert money from a prevention fund created under the new health care law, while Democrats insist on eliminating a tax loophole for Subchapter S Corporations.
Both plans were largely expected to fail to reach the 60-vote barrier to kill a filibuster. And on Thursday, neither side was budging.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) went to the Senate floor in the morning to chastise Republicans for wanting to drain the preventive fund, which they deem an unnecessary slush fund.
“The Republican proposal is paid for by stripping Americans of life-saving preventive health care,” Reid said. “The Democratic proposal is paid for by closing a loophole that allows wealthy Americans to dodge their taxes.”

Read more:

nailingit — May 24, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For you motorcycle riders - hoping the weekend plays nice.

roger — May 24, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

all those automaker's jobs allegedly 'saved' or 'created' by the big o....didn't the corp's take their bailouts and hire offshore...?

DeeLittle — May 25, 2012 at 12:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Watched a short discussion about Start Up 2.0 on Bloomburg this morning.

The gist of this is, an analysis of the period leading up to our current recession showed small entrepreneurial businesses had in fact created most of the new jobs, and that much of this was no longer happening. Further, that much of that was from immigrant investments. This is a two-part visa approach. One is to attend college. Arguments for this were that their higher tuition rates help subsidize US citizen tuitions, and that many will opt to stay in or return to this country on graduation. This will bring foreign capital and lead to more of those small business start ups again. The second part included some sort of tax breaks, and included provisions that these start ups must hire US citizens - not just family members.

Given the current antipathy toward immigrants in general (they're taking our jobs!!), it'll be interesting to see how this progresses.

Something else that caught my attention - Politico interviewed one of the Democratic sponsors, and FOX's Hannity Repub Mark Rubio (another sponsor). Both were supportive, but I'd swear I was reading about two entirely unrelated efforts! Oh well - any small step back to middle ground....

roger — May 25, 2012 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hopefully no one will take affront (too much, anyhow) at my suggesting to Stevie Mathieu that The Columbian link the Political Beat blog to the Basement forums, so we can at least comment there. As I noted, what Stevie writes tends to be more in line with Basement discussions - not a lot of response from the facebook side.

And, as a teaser to get you to look - she took the conversation Nailingit started earlier in the week - about Congressional dumbing down - and ran down the local numbers. Poor Jaime - but she's still my favorite.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nothing like a cup of coffee, the paper and a little breakfast in the morning.

**Mao Sugiyama Cooks, Serves Own Genitals At Banquet In Tokyo** (GRAPHIC PHOTOS)

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Lucia Allain, DREAMer Activist, Escorted Out For Interrupting Mitt Romney During Speech**

Romney’s address on the educational disparities skirted around other hot-button issues affecting the country’s Latinos, particularly immigration reform and the federal DREAM Act -- a bill that would provide a legal process for undocumented youth who were brought to this country as children -- until Lucia Allain, 20, interrupted him.

“Right when he started talking about achieving the American Dream, and how every child deserves to live it. I interrupted and said, “I’m undocumented and I have a dream, are you still supporting 'self-deportation?’” said Allain to The Huffington Post, an undocumented college student and DREAM Act activist.

But, Romney did not respond to her question.

Allain was then escorted out of the building by a member of the Romney camp to cheers and clapping. She tells The Huffington Post that she was then pulled aside and verbally berated to the point of tears.

Romney continued on reaffirming his promise to veto the federal DREAM Act should he hold office during the South Carolina GOP debate in January.;=Politics

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Reference the cooking article --

Sounds like a red wine dish. Something fuller, like a merlot or cabernet? Or perhaps a lighter, nicely chilled beaujolais?

Does The Columbian have a food editor we can run this past? Should we ask Matt to check it out?

roger — May 25, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I suggest a flavorful bearnaise sauce would be apropos. $250 is a bit much to pay for meat loaf & mushrooms. Sounds like they got shafted. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Understood. My initial thought was Ripple, or MD 20/20. But wanted to go for the classier side. We might be in the Basement, but standards are standards.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I've heard of putting yourself into your work but isn't this carrying it a little to far?

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***Looks like David is writing his OWN rules for the C now***

David Madore
"Jim Moeller, As you surely are well aware, I warmly welcome others that have very different views to dialog and share their views. That conversation makes for a healthy interesting insightful debate.

Freedom comes with responsibility. That requires active ongoing discernment and proactive correction to those that would degrade otherwise healthy conversations. **Trolls and abusers will be corrected and their comments deleted.**

I normally ignore trolls and stalkers. But I periodically address their abuse. Jim, you are gravely mistaken to infer that that those corrections are directed at anyone who holds a different view. **I will defend anyone’s right to freedom of speech as long as they do not abuse it by violating basic guidelines.**

Minimum standards of decency, respect for others and manners must be upheld on my site. Let me share a few excerpts from the Columbian’s guidelines **and add a few of my own:**

I welcome and encourage lively and spirited discussion. But that doesn’t quite mean that my site is the Wild West of the Internet. In that spirit, I ask commenters to uphold a few guidelines. Offending comments will be removed and the responsible users will be monitored. Users who repeatedly break these guidelines will lose posting privileges.

Focus points, arguments and assertions on positions, not personalities. I love to see energetic debate and vigorous discussion. No personal attacks, defamation or hate speech.

Stalkers and Trolls are not welcome. Commenters should be open, honest, transparent, and not hide behind a false profile picture. Facebook asks users to use a real profile picture that shows who they are, not a picture of something else or a kid on a tricycle if they are an adult. So let’s engage in lively debate and keep it respectful and interesting."

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.

"she was then pulled aside and verbally berated to the point of tears."

As a Libertarian, I am not opposed to immigration, however as an observation, if an "activist" can be verbally berated to the point of tears, they really need to reassess their life choices.

frobert — May 25, 2012 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Which article was that in? I don't recall that exchange.

Since Madore announced his candidacy, the attacks on him have increased. I gather the local Dems have decided to throw support behind Marc Boldt for Dist 2 Commissioner. There are two stalkers who attack every time he posts. And Moeller has been getting on him lately. Of course, Madore does pontificate a bit, so....

And all that crap about rules for discourse, etc, is Matt's fault!! He started it. And a few people, to include Lew Waters and my favorite civic activist are now doing same. Geez - these thin skinned people need to read the comments on OregonLive - that place gets downright brutal.

Anyhow, I just recently got my little notification - I'm now District 2 instead of District 1. So I guess I'll have to start looking a little harder at the Boldt - Madore race.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


it's from the Jamie article, close to the bottom

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 12:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks - I went and read it. Wow - looks like Madore had a major meltdown there. I'd say Jim Moeller won that little exchange. And a couple of those who regularly go after him (Thom and Greg) are busy tearing their chunks of flesh too.

Madore didn't earn any points here with his attack on Stevie - I find her one of the more thoughtful political writers with The Columbian. Which is why I invited her to pay more attention to what gets said here and join in (my post at 7:43 a.m. today).

What really caught my eye, though, were the remarks by Michelle Molstead. I've been saying for some time "over there" that Madore needs to get away from all the arguments that are political and religion based B.S., and change the focus of the conversation to what he believes a County Commissioner can do to improve our local job creation. He very briefly mentioned road access taxes, but keeps getting involved in these arguments. Now I see that others have also asked for specifics from him, and are also disappointed in his lack of detail.

So, he's acquired a couple of negative marks with me today.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit went quiet this morning. Wonder if he's one of the group protesting Boehner? See the latest article on this at The Columbian's main page.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Somewhat interesting discussion on Hardball about gas prices. Some lady was making the point that international politics this Spring, Iran mainly, are what caused prices to climb - not speculators or some other internal cause.

What really got my attention, though, was the assertion that The President really can't do much to control things like this.

She's correct - to a great extent. The President is dependent on support from Congress, from the governors, and from his political party to have any real power. And after GWB tried to run a semi-autonomous Presidency, the power pendulum swung back to Congress during his second term, and remains there today. So, Pres Obama isn't exactly playing a power hand.

My thinking is, though, that the average American really doesn't understand this. The President is viewed as all-powerful. So, if these conversations are following the usual pattern and will be repeated across the liberal talk shows - are they making a mistake? If I'm running the opposition press, I'm going to start blasting the message that "See - He is a weak President! We need someone strong in the job who understands how to control markets!"

roger — May 25, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Heard about this on today's closing of Hardball, and had to go see what the deal is. The show's transcript must have come from this article - almost identical, except for a mistake the TV show made. They cited the Internet Privacy Act of 1995; this doesn't exist. The 1995 Supreme Court ruling protecting anonymous speech was McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission.

At any rate, NY is trying to pass a law banning anonymous postings to internet websites - such as facebook and newspapers. This appears tied mainly to cyber-bullying - people get away with saying some pretty nasty stuff about other people. (Not here on The Columbian - Marshal Matt doesn't tolerate varmints like that!) The general consensus is that this law won't pass legal scrutiny - anonymous posting of ideas was at the root of our Nation, and protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority, among other good stuff. The Federalist Papers keeps getting offered - old Publius would have been horsewhipped if people knew his true identity. All three of those scoundrels. (Burr took care of the main malefactor, though.)

So - Editor Lou - are you violating our Constitutional right to privacy by not allowing anonymous postings to the main pages of The Columbian????

Not that I care personally - but some people here do. And they have a right to be heard if this is truly a public forum.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


privacy, like every other thing the founders put in the constitution, assumed morality. personal responsibility. 'one nation under God' as it were.

so, how do we divide the baby NOW?

DeeLittle — May 25, 2012 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Going to disagree. Newspapers back in that day would make the readers of the cheapest, most sensational rags we have today gasp in total shock. Samuel Adams wrote some of the biggest lies ever printed while stirring up his Boston compatriots against the British occupation. It was common practice to use clever pseudonyms - sometimes one writer used many different assumed personae (e.g. Ben Franklin) when getting their articles printed. And for good reason - the whole pack of them would have been hung. Even after the Revolution this continued - Alexander Hamilton eventually got shot by Burr because of the lies and gossip he spread about others while writing anonymously.

So, Solomon is going to have to look elsewhere for guidance.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger, just checked the update on David. That guy is seriously clueless.

Talking about Ben Franklin and his assumed identities, what was HER name? Silence Dogood?

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

That was one. Alice Addertongue was used to spread gossip about Philly society folk. And there were others. There appears to be a minor study of sorts as to Franklin and his transgender personae. Considering other stories, especially of his time in France - let's just say he lived life to the fullest.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I was wondering if he was there too. He's not Stevie - at least I really doubt it. Unless he's her wild, crazy side outlet!! Perhaps you mean the guy talking about fancy cars and asking where our democracy is?

roger — May 25, 2012 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

He's probably Lou.

I mean really, what else does he have to do?

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


wasn't talking about newspapers. was talking about government and laws, laws, laws. also about how laws are now needed to control behavior that nobody would have sunk low enough to engage in previously. case in point: female who decided she'd raise her graduation gown to reveal her genitalia for the class picture.

DeeLittle — May 25, 2012 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Who's Lou? Nailingit? Or the guy complaining about everyone driving a Lexus?

Lou put his Saturday morning column out this afternoon. My bet is that Lou is in the air heading out somewhere for the long weekend.

Wonder if that means Matt is in charge.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The DM thing & censoring. Then he said he just got off the phone with Matt. This whole victim /snitch/crying behavior when someone points out how ridiculous certain views ..... reminds me of a couple that used to post here.....
How could anyone vote for this guy? Add Wentzel and you have a poorly done sit com from the 60's.


Hustler Magazine Sparks Rage With a Rude Image of Pundit S.E. Cupp

Flynt, the Hustler publisher, told The Daily Beast, “As the result of our publishing an ad parody of political pundit S.E. Cupp that depicted her having oral sex, the prudish and delusional right wing has accused me and my magazine of being sexist and waging a war on women. That’s absurd. The picture was clearly labeled as satire. It was intended as humorous commentary about her politics. We stated that no such image of Ms. Cupp actually exists. Secondly, the feature, which we run every month, has previously depicted such male luminaries as Mario Cuomo, Dan Rather and, most recently, my friend Bill Maher. How misogynistic or sexist is that?”

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And again, you're supposing a morality that may not have existed. Ben Franklin's biography deserves at least an R-rating. And a lot of our other founding fathers also had a less than stellar past - Thomas Jefferson and Sally whatever comes to mind. I've seen more than one source that says not too many people liked old George Wash because he was such a stick in the mud - another perspective might be that the lack of morality on the part of what passed as civilized society back then disgusted him and Martha.

I'm of the opinion that there are certain points in time when the most degenerate people can somehow produce something that stands above the norm and can last through the ages. The Magna Carta. Our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. All points in time affected and caused by, but really didn't change, what was happening then. (Well, maybe a stretch there - but anyhow - to get to the point - we're no better or worse than we've ever been. We just go through spells where we hide our "indelicacies" and others where we're open with them.

roger — May 25, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

oooops! :) Dave & Joe?

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobro @ 11:48- Agreed!

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gen- Where are you? You are missed. What is the status of the Vancouver Ron Paul movement?

nailingit — May 25, 2012 at 9:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now that you mention it, where was U today, bunkie?

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And what happened to PadmaRani?

So many gone, wish most of them would come back. Those were the days.

hawkeye — May 25, 2012 at 10:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

G'morning, all! I am in the sweltering humidity of Chicago, heading for a mini reunion of my old college friends. One is an investigative reporter who talked about this great visual about Scott Walker's appointment calendar: his biggest money contributors get more of his time. The little guy? Not so much. Really, these are great graphics:

Roger: I have not had time to respond to your question about McKenna's endorsement from the education advocacy group. Many educators are concerned about his support of charter schools. Christine Gregoire is opposed adamantly. But I truly am still studying the guy myself. He is moving more toward the center again, which is where he shines and where his true colors lie.

He does run a very tight ship at the AGs office and is very supportive of open records laws. He promises to run the state in the same way. Charter schools are popular in Oregon and I have seen many come and go. I think the competition can be good for public schools. When you are the only game in town, quality can slide.

I really respect the guy on many levels. I just wish he had not joined in to fight Health Care Reform, but, making that choice was within his power.

I still have much to learn about Jay Inslee.......My mind is open, although very hot and sticky right now. How I forget the midwest humidity!

manthou — May 26, 2012 at 5:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning manthou! You caught me getting ready to post a pro-reality article. I hope the DNC makes a strong Wisconsin push ($$$) at the end for victory. Have a great time at your get together!

I think it's time we tear down all religious institutions and start over. The vatican would make a great convention center/homeless shelter/strip club/etc. Sell the Vatican's lavish art and decor for 100's of millions and feed the poor for decades. Just a thought. The pope is a ridiculously destructive figure. How can people buy into this, to include some weird dude in a "Popemobile" commanding his followers not to use birth control while fondling beads? It's....crazy!

Did Jesus have a butler?

**Paolo Gabriele Arrested: Pope Butler Had Secret Documents In Possession, Vatican Says**

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 6:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk @ 10:30- luciafalls, proudlefty, ronnieraygun, ek32...etc. A lot of good progressive thought has ben lost. At least ray_menlo and the clown aren't mucking it up anymore.

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Protests Planned Against Pastor Charles Worley Who Preached Putting Gays And Lesbians In Electrified Pen To Kill Them Off**

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just as Lou pointed out this morning, the devil's in the details. It seems that $1M out of $7M of a "parks levy" actually going to the parks should be a prominent point in an article noting the city is to put a levy to the vote. And as in the article below, which deductions the Republicans plan or have discussed axing should be noted. (wonder if it's a deduction the rich use-yuk, yuk) Why is it when Obama mentioned closing loopholes for corporations the baggers came unglued crying closing loopholes is really a tax hike-no way! But then they turn around and finance continued tax cuts for the rich by eliminating deductions? Those deductions are to be announced after the elections? Smells fishy to me. If these baggers gain a bullet-proof congress, we're screwed, unless you are very wealthy.

"Republican leaders have been mum on the details, but the measure is expected to renew the current rates for some period and lay out a framework for tax reform that lowers rates across the board. Many of the details, however, including which deductions would be eliminated, would be put off until next year."

mrd — May 26, 2012 at 6:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Judge: Anti-gay marriage law is unconstitutional**
By LISA LEFF, Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A judge in California has ruled that the federal law that prohibits recognition of same-sex unions is unconstitutional because it denies long-term health insurance benefits to legal spouses of state employees and retirees.
U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken also concluded Thursday that a section of the federal tax code that made the domestic partners of state workers ineligible for long-term care insurance similarly violates the civil rights of people in gay and lesbian relationships. Both laws were based on what she called "moral condemnation" of same-sex couples.
"Congress's restriction on state-maintained long-term care plans lacks any rational relationship to a legitimate government interest, but rather appears to be motivated by antigay animus," Wilken wrote in ordering the California Public Employees' Retirement System to allow current and former state employees to enroll their same-sex spouses and partners in the extended care plan.
Congress passed both laws that the Oakland, Calif.-based judge determined to be constitutionally suspect in 1996, when the gay rights movement was just beginning to push for the state and local benefits that come with marriage. She is the second federal judge in California this year to conclude that the Defense of Marriage Act violates the due process rights of legally married same-sex couples.

mr_basil_seal — May 26, 2012 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oregon County Decides to Go Native
Many of the rural counties in Oregon have been hurt economically by restrictions on logging timber. I haven't lived here long enough to fully understand the issues, let alone to have a dog in the fight, but any discussion of it quickly involves the spotted owl.

Since 2000 these counties have been getting payments from the federal government, on the theory that if they can't cut (or harvest, depending on your point of view) their timber, and if the land is federal and hence not taxed, the county deserves compensation. With the federal fiscal difficulties these payments have ended, or will very soon, so many of the counties are in dire straits, and with the Great Recession many of them can't find other economic opportunities (or haven't tried hard enough, depending on your point of view).

Josephine County (pop: 83,000), in southwestern Oregon, has just thrown in the towel.

Tuesday their citizens voted 2-to-1 against a levy that would have raised their lowest-in-the-state property taxes (58 cents per $1000 of assessed value) to $1.99, to make up a $12 million annual shortfall. (In Portland, mill-rates are $15-$20 per $1000.)

So yesterday county officials started cutting. The Sheriff's office staff will go from 98 to 28 employees, and the sheriff will be the only officer available around-the-clock. (This county is larger than Long Island.) 90 out of 120 inmates will be released from the county jail. 4 of 9 county prosecutors are being released. The district attorney will ignore all but serious crimes:
Most misdemeanors will not be prosecuted, which includes minor assaults, such as from domestic disputes, and minor thefts. Domestic abuse rises to a felony if it is done in front of the kids. Resisting arrest will still be prosecuted, as will some drunken driving. But reckless driving, menacing, driving while suspended, probably not. Even some felonies won’t go to court.


Essentially, this county has voted themselves back into the third world. (I would call it the "developing world," but it's difficult to see any development taking place somewhere that can't even enforce their laws.) You should probably stay clear, as I suppose any business will who was ever contemplating moving there. That's what they call a negative feedback loop.

It's difficult not to think this is what a certain fraction of Americans want for the entire country. Sad.

mr_basil_seal — May 26, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Richard Alley talking of "peak wood" (which I hesitate to point out given the crazytrain ejaculation earlier) but is otherwise a good turn of phrase for discussing our energy addiction.

mr_basil_seal — May 26, 2012 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Would the opposite of peak wood then be bottom pulp?

**Wisconsin Recall Debate: Tom Barrett Aggressively Goes After Scott Walker In First Face-Off**

"We cannot do-over the decision of Scott Walker to start a political civil war, which resulted in this state losing more jobs than any other state in the entire country in 2011. A decision that tore apart the state and made it impossible in some instances for neighbors to talk to neighbors, for relatives to talk to relatives, for workers to talk to co-workers, because it was too bitter a fight."

**Walker said he would like to see a change to the state's recall laws,** which require opponents to collect a certain number of signatures to trigger a special election against an elected public official. He repeatedly said the recall process was rehashing old issues and insisted it was time for voters to move forward.

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mr_basil_seal — May 26, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.

From what I've read, this was the voters not believing that federal and state funding for law enforcement wouldn't come through at the last moment. So they shot down this county levy.

The most interesting reading in the article I've attached are contained in the 7 pages of comments. It seems the figures reported on the levy increase for law enforcement were just that; property owners pay a much higher amount per $1,000 assessed value when everything else is added in. (Though they still don't appear to come close to what you posted for Portland.)

Apparently the towns and cities still provide some of the basic services - I haven't looked hard enough to see what's actually getting chopped beside the county sheriff's dep't.

I've no idea what employment rates are, or much else. The one thing I recall was when my brother-in-law was considering relocating from northern CA to OR; he was looking in either Grants Pass or Medford, and said houses were pretty expensive. Perhaps there's one of those situations where the larger towns and cities are doing OK, but not much there for the people out in rural areas?

This probably does bear watching, though. The article suggests this is just the first; other counties are expected to follow this example. And if so, OR is going to have a real problem - seems much of the State's discretionary funding that might be used to alleviate some of this is already committed to Portland transportation initiatives like the MAX Orange line to Wilsonville.

roger — May 26, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**7 Ways To Get Yourself Detained Indefinitely**

Civil liberties activists, however, are quick to argue that the statements lack the enforcement mechanisms to guarantee the administration will not use the vague language of the law's Section 1021 to indefinitely detain Americans. It also provides no guarantee that future administrations wouldn't willingly apply the statute more broadly.

U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest agreed with these concerns earlier this month, finding Section 1021 unconstitutional in a lawsuit brought by a group of journalists and activists. The measure had a "chilling impact on first amendment rights," she wrote in her ruling, deconstructing arguments from the president's lawyers several times.;=Interview_A_Member

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 10:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.

Somewhat strange to me is that the people who were so vocal in their criticism of Clinton and the "one world" government they say he was pushing should be screaming loudest about things like this. As I recall, we were going to lose our rights and protections under The Constitution if that was allowed. Yet a lot of these are the same ones who now say "If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear."

We have everything to fear from an all powerful central gov't. Doesn't matter which side is running it.

roger — May 26, 2012 at 12:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 26, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.,

Looks like the Wisconsin recall effort is failing. Polling conducted by St. Norbert College and Wisconsin Public Radio showed Barrett trailing Walker by the same margin he lost to him last time, 50-45 percent. The pollsters also say most people have already made their minds up; there are very few undecided. So this one is coming down to who can get their supporters out to vote.

And this is strange - Nothing in my RECAPTCHA box - Have they finally surrendered?

Damn - refreshed and they're back. Oh well.

roger — May 26, 2012 at 12:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**oh my God**

*GENEVA – The head of the U.N. observer team in Syria says at least 32 children under 10 years of age and more than 60 adults were killed in fighting in the center of the country Friday.
Gen. Robert Mood condemns the attack in Houla, northwest of Homs, as a "brutal tragedy" but hasn't identified who was responsible for the killing.
He says U.N. observers found artillery tank shells at the site of the fighting.
Activists say government troops shelled villages in central Syria before pro-regime thugs swept through the area and shot at people in the streets and in their homes, killing more than 90 people
Mood said in a statement Saturday that "whoever started, whoever responded, and whoever carried out this deplorable act of violence, should be held responsible."*

DeeLittle — May 26, 2012 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — May 26, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.,

Not to downplay the terrible event itself, but I'd like to know just who General Mood thinks is going to hold the ones who carried this act out responsible.

We can no longer afford to react to these things - if we could, I suspect we'd have been in Syria months ago.

NATO? With the European economic crisis going on?

The Arab League is doing nothing.

Looks like the UN is left holding the ball. Time for some of those nations that have been criticizing us for the past few decades to foot the bill and do something. If not, then they'll have no moral ground to stand on when accusing us of injustices, war crimes, etc, in the future.

roger — May 26, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Did everybody see this.... DEE?

hawkeye — May 26, 2012 at 9 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Something that's got my curiosity is that there's almost no publicity for this year's Vancouver Marathon. It's in 3 weeks. Last year, there was a fair amount of hoopla leading up to the event; this year, advertising seems to be almost solely in the runner venues.

You'd think they would want to get the word out and attract an audience. Other than Hood to Coast, I can't think of too many races that can survive on just the runners and their support crews.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 7:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Candy Crowley had Rudy Giuliani as her lead off this morning. Seems Romney isn't so bad in his book after all - it was just that his track record when governor with deficits and job creation wasn't as good as Rudy's. (I think the term is 'left handed compliment' - he's better than Obama, but you dummies really should have picked me.)

Well, can't wait to see how enthusiastically the other Repub hopefuls come around to supporting Romney.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Good morning. *it was just that his track record when governor with deficits and job creation wasn't as good as Rudy's.* Is Kerik out of prison yet?

Not hard to do considering Romney finished his term as #47 in states job creation. If it wasn't for natural disasters down south he might have been the worst in the country. One reason why Romney isn't touting his "public service".


Funny stuff!

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just got done watching Ryder Hesjedal, of Victoria BC and Team Garmin, put in an outstanding time trial to win the Giro d'Italia. He's the first Canadian to ever win one of the big 3 grand tours. (Not quite the impact of the '69 Mets - Greg LeMond did that for the bicycling world - but pretty big in a sport still dominated by Europeans.)

Oh yeah - that's bicycle racing. And I wish Direct TV would let me know when they're turning Universal Sports on. Ever since Versus sold out to NBC, USN is the best channel for watching sporting events that are important to the rest of the world. A lot of good stuff coming up leading into the Summer Olympics, and two more bike races (though I suppose NBC will keep Tour de France).

roger — May 27, 2012 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It's the 75th anniversary of the Golden Gate Bridge. And applying the "out with the old and in with the new" thought process of the CRC supporters - let's tear that sucker down!!!

roger — May 27, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 7:56 a.m.,

Debbie Wasserman Schultz followed Giuliani on the show. She was doing a lot of eye rolling; probably thinking thoughts similar to yours.

I only watched her for a couple of moments - went and found the bike race and stayed there. I think she was mainly addressing the polls that show Romney and Obama in a statistical dead heat, and that Romney appears to be building a significant lead in the swing state of Florida. This is definitely shaping up to be another close one.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — May 27, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.

What the article you posted fails to mention is that the countries they mention do not provide secondary school for all students. We can compare apples to oranges all day, but I am unwilling to have our government decide what students do and do not deserve secondary education. It is easy to have higher overall scores if you throw out the lowest achievers.

frobert — May 27, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- I liked Wasserman Schultz Debbie Schultz Wasserman before she became DNC chair. Now she always seems to have a chip on her shoulder. I miss what's his guts.

*Romney appears to be building a significant lead in the swing state of Florida. This is definitely shaping up to be another close one.*

The Dems need to tie foreign policy to the economy, (I have yet heard a Dem suggest this) and pound home the "Romney/Ryan" health care plan (especially in Florida). Message we can't trust the Republicans not to enact the Romney/Ryan affecting today's seniors. Cite examples of Republican legislative overreach in the last four years, to include Federal court cases and tie the two together.

Tone down the Bain rhetoric for the moment and deprogram Fox news viewers with a 2008 comparison as to where we are now with job losses, immigration, private sector job growth and the reduction in Federal jobs. Hit Romney with his liberal record as Gov.

Damn it give me a job coordinating messaging for the National DNC! Dissecting regions and targeting real time events with messaging that means something to people. As long as the Dems can provide some pathway clarity. Dem Dems need to get their crapola together cause you are right, this is going to be close.

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — May 27, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.,

Some interesting points in your link.

I'm betting a lot of teachers go into their own pockets to help their students. My HS Physics teacher used to buy rulers for his classes - the ones the school bought didn't have the metric scale. If I was to think about it, I'm sure there were other examples. And back then, in the '60s, a teacher made less than a factory worker.

On the one hand, we want to tie teacher raises, and job retention, to their performance. On the other, we're looking at eliminating funding for programs that help mentor them so they'll be better able to achieve the desired performance.

So, even though "those who know" say the key to success is to go to college, we're making conditions such that the people who are expected to provide the basic education to get there are becoming less and less willing to work in the field.

frobert — May 27, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.,

But don't a lot of these countries - the European ones, anyhow - channel those who don't qualify for secondary education into training for other jobs? We have this to a degree (in some school districts anyhow), with shop and business curricula.

Additionally, the mindset in many of those countries is that one must try to succeed in school. Here? Depends on if it interferes with texting the BFF, etc.

This is pretty much a no-win situation. Some can and will work at learning - they shouldn't be held back for those who can't/won't. On the other hand, we can't allow throwing people away because they're not mature enough to make adult decisions, and their parents aren't helping change their minds for them.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 11:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — May 27, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.

"But don't a lot of these countries - the European ones, anyhow - channel those who don't qualify for secondary education into training for other jobs?"

Yes they do, France for one has different secondary schools for different career tracks, however it still skews the numbers. No meaningful comparison can be made to U.S. schools, so we are comparing apples and oranges.

frobert — May 27, 2012 at 11:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.,

The Repubs have a simple message that resonates - We can't continue spending what we no longer have. The model that you have to spend money to create jobs/growth might work when it's your own money. But when you have to borrow the money, and when your debt payments are consuming more and more of your annual income, this no longer works. The related problem the Dems have is that taxes on everyone have to increase - that's the only way to raise enough to quit having to borrow UNLESS we just quit spending (the Repub solution). And seeing how it's OK if you raise someone else's taxes but not mine....

There is another solution - and frobert's Ron Paul is the only one talking it. We have been at war overseas since 1992 - the First Desert, Macedonia, and Iraq/Afghanistan. We're talking trillions here, and much has been borrowed and led to our current debt problem. (And this argument can actually be extended further back to the post WW2 days - we spent a lot of money on the Cold War and in Vietnam and Korea.) At some point, we have to step back and admit we cannot continue to try to see that the rest of the world treats their people like we believe they should.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"No meaningful comparison can be made to U.S. schools, so we are comparing apples and oranges." -- frobert — May 27, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.

I can agree if looking at it from the perspective that we view higher education as an exercise in learning how to think, while what we're calling successful national programs train people to live life productively.

At the end of the day, not that many people are capable of creative thinking. We need to teach analytical thinking - learning mathematics, languages and sciences, and building on these foundations. Pursuits like philosophy and political science are nice, but for most they just train one to argue on forums like these.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I suspect these are for nailingit, but I have to respond to something. From your first link --
“But when one of those guys said, ‘Don’t let him up,’ I ran across the room and hit him as hard as I could in the face with a chair.”

No wimpy little Gandhi loving pacifists allowed in the Illinois European Heritage Association - huh?

roger — May 27, 2012 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

crazytrain — May 27, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.,

And this second article - the one from the WSJ that you call Obamanomics - is a total crock.

I've been paying into Social Security for 45 years so far; when I get around to filing for it, I'm going to think of it as having been bought and paid for. I've been paying the Medicare tax since that's started, and TRICARE forces me onto it once I hit 65 - plus one of the parts costs me $100 per month - both also bought and paid for. Though not mentioned in the article, I get a military disability payment - earned (stupidly, perhaps, but earned). And if I ever find I need to and can apply for unemployment, I'll consider that earned also - I've been paying taxes for stuff like this since age 15.

WSJ needs to do a better job of differentiating between those who make a career of living on gov't handouts and those who've earned/paid for them over the course of their working lives.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now, if you want to get nailingit's goat, post stuff like this. It says the Obama administration lied - federal and state monies were used to pay for abortions, by funding "high risk" pools that included these in their coverage.

By the way - This is from 2010 - I haven't bothered to verify whether she's correct or just another Obama hater who likes to stretch/fabricate the truth.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Time to call Matt!!!

George Will doesn't care much for Donald Trump.

"The costs are clear. The benefit — what voter is gonna vote for [Romney] because he is seen with Donald Trump. The cost of appearing with this bloviating ignoramus is obvious it seems to me."

Will continued, “Donald Trump is redundant evidence that if your net worth is high enough, your IQ can be very low and you can still intrude into American politics...."

roger — May 27, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*we have to step back and admit we cannot continue to try to see that the rest of the world treats their people like we believe they should.

as pearl harbor taught us, isolationism don't work no mo'.

beyond the outrage of gunning down small children, or beheading six little christian girls while sitting at their desks (, we're active in the area to TRY to prevent another 9/11 from ever happening again. since al-Qaeda isn't territory-specific, we have to dance the diplomatic two-step while, at the same time, send in the forces that will 'neutralize the threat' (i like that term).

in the end, it's not us being the world's cop, it's us acting per-emptively to keep us safe.

DeeLittle — May 27, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — May 27, 2012 at 3:13

Using diplomats instead of cruse missiles is not isolationism. We are constantly attacking other countries, this increases our chances of being the target of another terrorist attack. We can't give other countries freedom and democracy, they need to take it. We cannot afford the cost or consequences of our military adventurism overseas. Bring our troops home now and protect our country, let the others take care of themselves.

frobert — May 27, 2012 at 3:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Something that's going to cost about $1 billion per year.

Approx 45% of veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are filing for disability claims. Reasons given include keeping people alive on that battlefield that would have died before, the recent inclusion of traumatic brain injury (TBI) and post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as disabilities, and the economy. The last appears to come into play with people who might have ignored their disabling physical conditions if they'd have been able to return to civilian life and find gainful employment.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


We have to pick and choose; the cost of our high tech weaponry is steep, and we just don't have the bankroll to use it everywhere. And we can't cut the size of our military and expect those who remain to carry on indefinitely.

Syria is a perfect example. They pose no threat to us; al Qaeda isn't based from there. They have a decent army; probably much better than Iraq's was under Hussein. It would be an expensive, long fight to go there and stop them from killing off the people who are rebelling against their government. Further, I sort of recall that government has the support of Russia and China.

We can't do it. Anymore than we can put our armies in half the rest of the African continent. Somalia, Rwanda, Kenya, the Sudan, Libya... people are being killed in "ethnic cleansing" conflicts in those places and more.

Time for someone else to shoulder the burden. We've done more than our part.

Isolationism may not be desirable, but it's better than destroying our own economy trying to stop this never-ending string of conflicts.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Is the Euro dead? The writers of this article seem to think so. Greece is apparently getting ready to leave the Euro zone, and is expected to default on over 300 billion Euros in debt.

Italy and Spain are also on shaky ground, and several other countries are being kept afloat by investments in their banks. Germany, which is bank rolling much of the effort to keep the Euro solvent, is reaching the point where their people are no longer willing to keep this up. The increasing likelihood that they'll withdraw from the Euro zone to save their own economy is starting to lead to a rapid outflow of the investor money from those other countries banks. All in all, things aren't looking good.

roger — May 27, 2012 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Naked Man Allegedly Eating Victim's Face Shot And Killed By Miami Police**

The beginning of the end. The virus is with us. If it mutates and becomes airborne (if it hasn't already) humans risk becoming extinct. 12 monkeys becomes the walking dead.

Zombies! The living dead who endlessly search for human flesh on which to feed.

They are among us. They want to eat us and use our resources to survive. They feed on others without care or concern.

Hey...wait a minute...It starting to sound like the Grand Old Party!

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I just saw this on palladia, looked it up and thought I would share.

Happy Sunday & Memorial Day. vanwa, hawk, roger & dweller applicable military & dependents.

I thank you & yours for contributing to the freedoms we share today.

Peace & goodwill.

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...& not to forget a past protector of our shores, seas and all things budified :), Drift.

Domo arrigato

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A great version of Gimme Shelter. Fergies feelin' it!

nailingit — May 27, 2012 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Forum Login