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Thanks, nail (from yesterday).

Today I'll pour a shot of booze upon the ground for those men I served with -- the men who didn't return alive. Another shot will be for those I didn't serve with, who made the ultimate sacrifice.

I'll knock back a shot myself, and fantasize. I'll ponder a day when we stop killing one another. Is such a thing possible? I can dream...

Drift — May 28, 2012 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal



**Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise**

Simpson continued: "If you want to be a purist, go somewhere on a mountaintop and praise the east or something. But if you want to be in politics, you learn to compromise. And you learn to compromise on the issue without compromising yourself. Show me a guy who won’t compromise and I’ll show you a guy with rock for brains."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/27/alan-simpson-republicans_n_1549604.html?ref=politics

nailingit — May 28, 2012 at 7:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Thank you Mr. Simpson.

hawkeye — May 28, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This is what we were promised in 2010.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44311.html

roger — May 28, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Another source that says never compromise.

http://thomasczech.hubpages.com/hub/do-not-compromise

roger — May 28, 2012 at 10:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


More no compromising, especially with the atheists and homosexuals who worship Satan. Or something like that.

http://voiceciw.hubpages.com/hub/True-Christians-Can-Never-Compromise-The-Word-Of-God

roger — May 28, 2012 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And a little bit of lighter reading.

Sarah likes guns. Cool. And those red heels were sooo hot!!!

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/01/02/top-10-reasons-to-hate-sarah-palin/

roger — May 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So as i was heading home yesterday from a family outing, we decided to try and spot that tree that got hit by lightning this weekend, but as i was heading down fort vancouver way we got a suprise. A naked man standing on the corner across from the marshal center. We got there just in time to see a fire truck blocking off the area. Anybody have a idea what this was all about? mental? drugs? protest?

bigdevo82 — May 28, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***Get out your Visa card***

LOS ANGELES (AP) — For the right price, you or a loved one can rest in peace in the tomb of The King.

Celebrity auctioneer Darren Julien is selling Elvis Presley's original crypt to the highest bidder as part of his "Music Icons" auction later this month.

The tomb is located inside the granite and marble mausoleum at the Forest Hill Cemetery in Memphis, Tenn.

Presley was interred there alongside his mother, Gladys, after he died Aug. 16, 1977. Two months later, they were re-buried at his Graceland home. The original crypt has remained empty ever since.

Julien says the winning bid from the auction beginning June 23 will receive the crypt, opening and closing of the vault for burial, a memorialization inscription and use of a chapel for a committal service. Transportation and funeral home charges are not included.

hawkeye — May 28, 2012 at 1:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**ROGER & FRO**
re: Syria

this isn't just a regional mass extermination of children. syria plays a central role in iran's intention to rule the area.

iran is providing support for the current regime. since it's isolated from the rest of the world due to its actions, it will be dependent on iran, making iranina influence from afghanistan to beruit. and THIS shifts the blance of power in the whole area.

iran then could then become the dominate power in the entire region, and reach even further.

this has nasty implications all the way from oil production and shipment to sharia law to major attacks on isreal. and not to forget, our current allies wouldn't be there any longer and our ability to strike at terrorist groups would end.

so, yeah. we have a real self-interest in what happens in syria.

DeeLittle — May 28, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A lot of folks believe what happening in Syria is a determined group of Shites/Alwatis fighting to hang onto power in the face of a Sunni uprising. As far as Iran becoming the dominant power in the region, many, including those in the DOD don't feel so.

•The United States could destroy all key elements of Iranian military power in virtually any scenario in a matter of weeks, if Washington had the support of Iran’s neighbors. It could inflict devastating damage in a matter of days.
•Iran’s missile and potential nuclear capabilities should be weighed against vast U.S. and Israeli superiority in existing missile and nuclear capabilities. Israel alone could win any nuclear arms race with Iran for at least the next decade.
•Iran could not win any serious confrontation with Turkey, and cannot match the rate of modernization and defense spending by Saudi Arabia and the five other Gulf Cooperation Council sheikhdoms.
•But Iran has also already proven its ability to threaten, intimidate and carry out significant low-level or terrorist attacks—directly or through surrogates—against both major and regional powers.

In other words, Iran can and will continue to be a pain in the neck, but couldn't win a confrontation with Isreal, Saudi Arabia, five other arab nations, not counting Turkey. Hardly a dominant force. The notion that Iran will block oil shipments leading to certain, massive loses should be dismissed, the current regime likes itself too much for that, and they also like themselves too much to start a war with Isreal, again, certain defeat. This is a good time and place to quit listening to the sabre-rattling folks drumming up support for another war we can ill afford.

mrd — May 28, 2012 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee,

Not as simple as that. Syria and Iran have never been close historically - Syrian is Sunni majority ruled by a Shiite offshoot minority, and Iranian is traditional Shiite. Syrians are Arabs, and Iranians Persians. They became allies after we invaded Iraq - a common enemy due to our support of Israel. Iran provided oil and other supplies to Syria, and Syria has been allowing Iranian arms shipments to Hezbollah training areas in Lebanon to pass through their territory. But this has been changing - for reasons such as Hezbollah selling the Iranian weapons to the arms dealers who are supplying the Syrian rebels. Turkey has also been a player lately, and is helping drive a wedge into the alliance.

No alliance is permanent in that part of the world. If we stay out of the way, it'll probably fall apart on it's own.

And there are a few reports, apparently from Russian sources, that say the rebels are equally to blame with the recent deaths of innocents in Houla. Russia has condemned Assad's regime for the murders, but also says observer reports indicate the rebels may be killing people too. The rebels occupy Houla, and the Syrian army is shelling the area. Many of the corpses show signs of torture and being shot at close range - hence the Russian suspicion over the actual culprits.

And we're still broke, and are cutting our armed forces. I suppose we'll be sending arms shipments to the rebels, but actually joining the fight wouldn't be a wise move.

roger — May 28, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Romney has ex-Bush admin neo-cons advising him on foreign policy. The chances of getting involved in one more needless war with Romney are 100%. (important to remember neo-conservatives wish to hasten the arrival of Armageddon (world war) so those that believe will be "raptured", or beamed up and transported to Jesus. Jesus will then send deadly tortuous plagues causing unprecedented pain & suffering to all that did not follow the Christian faith, giving the raptured a front row seat to enjoy the massive volume of human agony. Hey, it's not everyday you get a free box seat to view this much suffering and pain. Jesus even has a dinner prepared for the chosen ones in case anyone gets the munchies.

The chances of Barack starting a needless war...25%. Barack bending over for Bettin' Yahoo and starting a war 75%. If you want to minimize our chances of needless war vote Obama.

This election is between Bush policy and Obama policy.

I'll take the latter.

---

Welcome to the basement 82.

nailingit — May 28, 2012 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


sorry, but it is as simple as that. iran is supplying arms. who else is going to support the current regime?

that's iran long term game plan. check out some of the geopolitical sites around.

DeeLittle — May 28, 2012 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mitt Romney did not distance himself from Donald Trump Monday for the reality TV and real estate mogul's continued skepticism about President Barack Obama's birth certificate.

A top Romney adviser said recently that Romney believes the president was born in the United States and the validity of the president's birth certificate - which has been released by the White House - should not be a campaign issue.

But Romney said he doesn't agree with everything his supporters believe. And in the coming election, according to Romney, he'll need their support.

"You know I don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't all agree with everything I b elieve in," Romney told reporters on an airplane before taking off for a campaign appearances Tuesday in Colorado and Las Vegas. "But I need to get 50.1 percent or more and I"m appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people."

In an interview with The Daily Beast last week Trump pointed to an old promotional material for Obama's publisher that listed the president as being born in Kenya.

"A book publisher came out three days ago and said that in his written synopsis of his book, he said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia. His mother never spent a day in the hospital," Trump told The Daily Beast's Lloyd Grove.

hawkeye — May 28, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't know if still true, but we used to be the world's biggest arms dealers. Possibly got passed up by Russians unloading old Soviet stockpiles. The Iranians are small time. And in case you forgot - someone took care of the nuke side the past couple of years - scientists were dropping like flies.

roger — May 28, 2012 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Not too big to fail***

Dewey & LeBoeuf, New York Law Firm, Files for Bankruptcy

Dewey & LeBoeuf, the New York law firm crippled by financial miscues and partner defections, filed for bankruptcy on Sunday night, punctuating the largest law firm collapse in United States history.

The filing, made in Federal Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan, marks the final chapter in a turbulent period for the New York-based Dewey, which unraveled after disappointing profits and prodigious debt forced it to slash partners’ salaries. The partners, already owed millions of dollars from prior years, grew concerned over the firm’s finances and their ability to get paid. A partner exodus destroyed the firm.

“This is a very sad day for the legal profession,” said Richard J. Holwell, a former federal judge in Manhattan now in private practice. “Dewey is a fabled firm with a lot of great lawyers and a demise of this magnitude is unprecedented.”

hawkeye — May 28, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Last couple of days I've seen a couple of news talk shows and a commercial pushing the idea of changing The Constitution to allow naturalized citizens run for President.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/19/zakaria-let-naturalized-americans-become-president/

roger — May 28, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


gee. why am i not surprised.

after all, it started with the 'it means what the he== we TELL you it means bunch.

as for syria, it IRAN giving them weapons. what happened in the past is really pointless, now isn't it.

DeeLittle — May 28, 2012 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Something tells me the Catholic Church doesn't know, but it looks like they've been declared war on. Wonder if these guys will try to get them hauled before the International Court?

http://salem-news.com/articles/may042012/catholic-changes-ka.php?utm_sou

roger — May 29, 2012 at 6:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 6:12- Sounds too good to be true. Until the faithful lemmings stop giving money to the Catholic church and demand a like minded agenda, the clergy will still rape & pillage.

The Catholic church imploding from criminal clergy with diseased souls, crucifying itself on the backs of raped children, excess & hypocrisy.

The Republican party destroying itself with hard line ideology, failed policies & a voodoo enhanced base that is dying off, if for no other reason due to age based attrition.

Both seem to be happening in our lifetime! When these matters come to a close, global/local societies/cultures will be all the better for it.

Till then a troubled rift in the spiritual realm will persist. Let's speedup the inevitable and demand as a people the dissolution of the Republican party and the prosecution of the Catholic diocese, to include their king (pope) if need be.

Cathoccupy if you will.

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Save Us Sarah!!!**

*Imagine belonging to a party (some that post don't have to imagine!) that is this void of credible leadership. A "vacuum" created by the likes of Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and a circus of others, and Sarah Palin is to fill it! Amazing stuff from our conservatives across the aisle.*

“There is a vacuum on the right now, and at some point that’s an opportunity for someone, and it won’t be resolved in this summer or this fall,” said Republican strategist Alex Castellanos. “Sarah Palin has as much a claim to that as anyone right now … I think she has settled into her role as the power behind the thousands [of] thrones, instead of sitting on one.”

Conservatives. They are ruining our country one vote at a time.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76810.html#ixzz1wGxcH2lm

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 8:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I’ve been wondering nail; with your zest for vilifying Christians, why you don’t show the same zeal for going after Muslims. I mean, after all, these ARE the folks that beat, whip or stone to death, women who are thought to be unchaste, in one way or another. And all sorts of variations, thereof. (I mean…come on now; talk about your War On Women!)

Chop off the hands of thieves. Behead their enemies. Recruit children, and others, to blow themselves up in public places.

Hijack large aircraft for sinister purposes (well sinister, unless of course you’re a hijacker), wage Jihad, indoctrinate Muslim yutes in their hatred of Westerners, through their Madrassa schools. Not to mention Muslims’ support of Islamic theocracies. And what happens, anyway, to someone who burns or defaces a Qur’an? I want to hear all about it! These Christians look like real fuddy-duddies, compared to those wild and crazy Muslims.

I’m sure these are JUST A FEW of the things you can have a field day with!!

So how ‘bout it. Can we soon expect to hear some good old fashioned vitriolic such-and-such, about those Muslims?

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d a cRAYzy! :) Your argument on it's face is absurd and void of relevance. :)

*with your zest for vilifying Christians,*

A falsehood. I have never vilified Christianity or those who follow it. I have taken umbrage with so-called Christians who exploit the masses for personal and political gain. Be it perverting the political process or exploiting believers trust. Isn't that...terrible?

What you have done kn_d, is once again expose your extreme intolerance for those that don't adhere to your personal beliefs. You just insulted over a billion and a half people! Pull your head out man! Muslims could say the same of the old testament. God knows Christian's here do all kinds of crazy stuff. :) At least we don't have a Muslim military controlling our population. The folks in the sandbox can't say the same. I suppose if tables were turned and we had a foreign Muslim military occupying America, burning bibles might cause a little bit of outrage/death/destruction/heads exploding/etc.etc.

I'm concerned more with where I live. It's more focused than cherry picking the worlds religions trying to justify the ridiculous actions of American conservative politico's.

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal


oh, and don't forget their intention to legalize sharia law wherever they go. france is currently trying a wonderful father of five who killed the youngest daughter because she dared leave the family's rules. apparently, the least-worthwhile one takes the blame, confesses and allegedly takes the rap. france caught on to this awhile ago , and now they've convicted all the family including mommie dearest, and are preparing a case against the father.

his defense? what ELSE was he supposed to do??!? she brought shame on his family. anyway, this way she'll make it to paradise.

DeeLittle — May 29, 2012 at 2:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*SPEAKING OF WAR ON WOMEN....*

> “In this video, what is astounding is
> that Rebecca, the Planned Parenthood
> counselor, starts arranging with the
> actor about how to get a late-term
> abortion,” Rose said. “To wait until
> her pregnancy is so developed that —
> and using Medicaid for this, using the
> state to pay for the ultrasound to
> determine the gender, and then to do a
> late term abortion if it was a little
> girl.”

oh, and for those of you who like to vilify the source, been there done that. now how about commenting on the actual content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v;=U2H3ZDnBtuw

DeeLittle — May 29, 2012 at 2:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I see.

Once again, nail has shown his MO to be that of...a good defense is a strong offense.

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks for your appreciative words kn_d. But I think most people would respond to a false allegation in much the same way.

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, Dee. watched your video. Never heard of people doing that here. I know in China they have some kind of law for only one child or something like that.

I have some problems with ANY video that has been edited that is trying to prove a point. Also, I don't know who the "actor" is and who she's talking to. It could be someone in a waiting room for all I know.

If it is going on, I don't approve but i have never heard of it here.

hawkeye — May 29, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sure. But just what is the false allegation? And just what is the argument that I have made that "on it's face is absurd and void of relevance." (I'm also unaware of what "appreciative words" you refer to.

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I would say Aces High kn-Dalai.

soapbox4u — May 29, 2012 at 3:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*on it's face is absurd and void of relevance*

translation: "i can't refute it, so i have to erase it"

DeeLittle — May 29, 2012 at 3:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A quick look at dee's sight. First paragraph...

The video is first in a new series titled “Gendercide: Sex-Selection in America,” exposing the practice of sex-selective abortion in the United States and how Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion industry facilitate the selective elimination of baby girls in the womb.

This is what the right wing radical fringe is all about. Sigh. Another..golden conspiracy!

Git them FEMA trailors ready!

I get the feeling that a good percentage of conservatives who buy into the Beck, Limbaugh, radical right websites, etc., think moving to a FEMA camp would be an upgrade. The ones who believe Donald Trump really believes what he's saying. The ones who choose to ignore fact while embracing fiction to appease the hatred/bigotry/racism/class envy/hypocrisy within themselves.

The ones that hate life in general. The culture warriors. :)

What is more than troubling, is the lack of accountability the Republican party refuses hold their politicians to. It doesn't matter what they say or do, as long as their goal is to oust Obama.

There are a few conservatives that speak their mind once in awhile...

**George Will: Donald Trump Is 'Bloviating Ignoramus'**

“I do not understand the cost benefit here," Will lamented. "The costs are clear. The benefit — what voter is gonna vote for [Romney] because he is seen with Donald Trump. The cost of appearing with this bloviating ignoramus is obvious it seems to me." His fellow panel members laughed at the remark.

Will continued, “Donald Trump is redundant evidence that if your net worth is high enough, your IQ can be very low and you can still intrude into American politics. Again, I don’t understand the benefit. What is Romney seeking?”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/27/george-will-donald-trump-_n_1548873.html?ref=media

k_nd- ? And just what is the argument that I have made that "on it's face is absurd and void of relevance."

Here ya go..again. *with your zest for vilifying Christians,*

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*vilifying Christians,*...why did you stop there? In addition to "vilifying" Christian politico groups, I've also mentioned Mormons and those of the Jewish faith.

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


babblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabbleblahblahblahblahblahblah How can so many...Conservatives look up to this guy!?!

**Donald Trump Can't Be Controlled, Causes Major Headache For Mitt Romney**

He said the Obama campaign was trying to use "reverse psychology."

"When something that they don't like gets put in papers the best thing you can do is say, 'Oh we love it, we love it.' What they're doing is reverse psychology and I don't blame them one bit. They hate this subject. They hate it more than anybody has hated any subject, and the best they can do is to just say, 'Oh we're so happy it was brought up,'" Trump said. "And people like you, who I assume they consider are suckers, write exactly what they say. And I don't know if you're a sucker or not. It depends on whether or not you write it."

"They don't love it at all. They hate it. And let me tell you, I have plenty of friends in there and they will tell you, they will tell me, they do not like this subject one bit. This is not a good subject for them," he said.

Trump also said Obama should release his college transcripts.

"Why isn't he showing his college transcripts that have a little clause at the bottom that say, a little space at the bottom that says, 'You were born where.' It says, 'Born where.' And for some reason nobody's been able to find those applications for college," he said.

Trump dismissed those who say he is hurting the Romney campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/29/donald-trump-mitt-romney_n_1554152.html

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Reference the gendercide issue - The Economist used this term when covering how this happens in Asia a couple of years ago; thought that was the basis and went looking for the article. Well, I also found their update from 5 May 2012, which I linked to.

http://www.economist.com/node/21554250

It appears at least one US clinic is directing advertising at the Asian population in Canada - select the gender of your child. The article is vague, but it appears the service advertised was in vitro fertilisation, which is illegal to use for gender determination in Canada. However, the government did some studies and showed their South Asian ancestry populations are approximating the male/female birth ratios found in their home countries, where terminating a female fetus is acceptable.

It would be nice to see statistics for Asian, Indian and other populations in this country that come from cultures that have a history of valuing males over females. My suspicion is that we'd see a trend similar to what the Canadians discovered.

This would lead to a nice little dilemma. The women's right to choice movement would have to decide whether this "right" should be allowed to extend to discriminating against female fetuses.

roger — May 29, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Here’s the thing nail. If I have insulted over a billion and a half people, then it would seem that you have insulted over two billion people. You’ve out insulted me by a half a billion or so. Perhaps you can explain that. Adding all of your repeated insults over time, the way the legal system might charge a criminal defendant with numerous counts, then I’m sure you’ve out insulted me by several tens of billions. Oh yes, please do explain that.

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — May 29, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.

OK soapbox, I'll bite. Just what does that mean?

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Here’s the thing nail. If I have insulted over a billion and a half people, then it would seem that you have insulted over two billion people.*

Jealous? :)) If we take your billion and a half, pool my 2 billion, and in addition to Christians and Muslims we add a few million Mormons and force all to live in Atlantis, we would create many solutions but also add new problems.

On the up side incidents of violence would decrease.

On the down side Jehovah Witnesses would run rampant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqqGX0DEMM&feature;=related

**A falsehood. I have never vilified Christianity or those who follow it.** I have taken umbrage with so-called Christians who exploit the masses for personal and political gain. Be it perverting the political process or exploiting believers trust. Isn't that...terrible?

You're not thinking clearly kn-d. Please source your accusation. Otherwise.....

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In response to Dee's post with the gendercide video, Nailingit noted:

"The video is first in a new series titled “Gendercide: Sex-Selection in America,” exposing the practice of sex-selective abortion in the United States and how Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion industry facilitate the selective elimination of baby girls in the womb.
"This is what the right wing radical fringe is all about. Sigh. Another..golden conspiracy!"

Which got me to thinking. Sec'y State Hillary Clinton addressed this issue in India, back on 2009. She condemned the practice, but quickly (and diplomatically) noted that the government was trying to take steps to stop it. To the best of my knowledge, she's about the only person who might be considered a Liberal or a feminist who's spoken out against the practice.

I searched, and couldn't find any of the noted feminists speaking out against this practice. Why? Female children are being considered undesirable and aborted in an area where perhaps half the world's population lives. The reason this is done is because they're considered of lesser value than males - you'd think there'd be an outpouring of outrage over this. Is perhaps support of abortion in this country more important to them that support of women in the rest of the world?

In fact, one of the few sources I could find is attached - a very in depth discussion on a website dedicated to stopping violence against women.

http://brokendreams.wordpress.com/category/female-infanticide/

roger — May 29, 2012 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Soapbox's "Aces High" caught my attention too. Did a little looking.

My first choice is a song from one of the greatest concert bands ever - Iron Maiden. Aces High, from their 1985 World Slavery tour. (Relevant?) The song is about the Battle of Britain, and the RAF's valiant fight against overwhelming odds. (Again, relevant?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zoCZ4QhOdU

roger — May 29, 2012 at 7:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Aces High is a 1976 British war film starring Malcolm McDowell, Christopher Plummer and Simon Ward. The film tells the story of an RFC squadron in the First World War; the high turnover of pilots and the strain on the survivors, and includes aerial dogfight scenes.

And seeing as how it was never really popular here, I doubt that's the reference. But what did interest me was that the aerial dogfight scenes in Black Adder Goes Forth (a great Rowan Atkinson series that also starred Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry) came from this movie. So, in honor of those great British stars, I'm including it.

roger — May 29, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


No, I’m not jealous.

I will give you one point nail, a point which you have not even made, but I will. That while there is nothing unfactual in my comments about atrocities which have been committed by Muslims, I have not qualified those statements by adding that those egregious actions are, by and large, limited to a small number of Muslims and,and not necessarily, representative of the greater whole. Interestingly, there is, and always has been, since the days of the Diaspora, I guess, a small Jewish population in Iran, complete with synagogues. Apparently they’re treated well, and even have a seat in the Iranian parliament. Although I believe their numbers have decreased substantially in recent decades.

Having said that nail, you will note, that you do not qualify your harangues of Christians. As I did not qualify my own comments regarding the reprehensible actions of some Muslims. So what’s the difference? Far as I can tell, I’ve made some one time observations. You’ve made a cottage industry out of your bashing.

I will also note; I’m pretty sure that your idea of a good Christian, is one who agrees with your ideas of forced collectivism through government, and all the rest are only “so-called” Christians.

BTW. Mormons are generally considered to be Christians. Makes sense, considering their faith is Christ centered.

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Aces High is a computer based flight simulator war game. I probably would leave it go at this, except I found the following paragraph, which nicely mirrors what goes on here some days.

"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WW1 and WW2 air combat and sets it in a high intensity online multiplayer environment. Hundreds of players simultaneously battle it out against each other in massive aerial dogfights and bomber raids."

Well, sort of, anyhow.

roger — May 29, 2012 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Aces high is a doper term for cocaine.

No comment, 'cause I don't want Matt mad at me for saying all of the banned words in one sentence.

roger — May 29, 2012 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- The aces high reference was in regards to a prior or current poster from back in the day. Due to past postings, I think some believe kn_d to be "aceshigh. The postings were before my time.

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ace_high, and numerous incarnations after that, was also the name of a former and frequent Columbian poster. He did a little on FB after they made the change, but has gone away since. I liked Ace, had some fun stuff that he did, but his politics is a lot different than mine,so I'm not understanding soap's reference.

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And Aces High (or Low) is a call in many card games.

Not sure any of these can be applied, though.

roger — May 29, 2012 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I will give you one point nail, a point which you have not even made, but I will.*

*"You just insulted over a billion and a half people! Pull your head out man!"*

I did make the point as noted. It's just a matter concerning line of sight.

*BTW. Mormons are generally considered to be Christians.*

By whom? Not the mainstream evangelical crowd. It's considered a cult by Baptists, assembly of God, Pentecostal, Seventh Day Adventists, the Water Buffalo Lodge, Grand Poobah etc.etc. About the only folks who believe Mormons are Christians...are Mormons! The door swings both ways. Mormons believe so called mainstream Christians are doomed as their (Mormon) theology and Baptisms are the only true pathway to God. That's why they pray for the dead. Salvation can only happen through the Mormon Church.

*you will note, that you do not qualify your harangues of Christians.*

Again, I do no such thing. To qualify is to exist.

*As I did not qualify my own comments regarding the reprehensible actions of some Muslims.*

Not only did you not qualify your original statement, attempting to down play your blanketing bigotry is noted in your use of the word *some*.

*So what’s the difference?*

I qualified my statements with current events, news articles and facts. By your own admission you failed to do either.

*I will also note; I’m pretty sure that your idea of a good Christian, is one who agrees with your ideas of forced collectivism through government, and all the rest are only “so-called” Christians.*

My idea of a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, and seeks to emulate his instructions to the best of their ability. As a reminder, Jesus exhorted his followers that while they are in this world, they are not to be of this world.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, render unto God what is God's.

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 8:35 p.m

"My idea of a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, and seeks to emulate his instructions to the best of their ability".

My question is, what book of the bible did Jesus write? Honestly, I don't know.

hawkeye — May 29, 2012 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- Christians believe the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark Luke and John capture best the words and actions of Jesus Christ. Although Jesus did not pen any of the bible, the gospels are reportedly first hand accounts captured by these guys, then translated into holy scripture. The "Holy" part being the words are inspired by the spirit/revelation of God. Kind of like God doing some editing I guess.

Having said that, Christians believe in the totality of the bible to include the old testament. Jesus by his own words came not to change old testament law, but to fulfill it. (ref. Matthew 5:17)

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You seem to be particularly interested in the population issue, Roger. You have advocated for forced sterilization, a couple of times now. Aside from the totalitarian nature of this, there are other concerns.

Considering that industrialized nation’s natural population increase, is generally negative, i.e. death rates exceed birth rates, I wonder where you’re coming from. The increased population growth in industrialized countries, including the United States, is due to immigration. Slower population growth, is actually a problem for government social welfare programs like government pensions and health care; there being a smaller number of contributors, to support a growing number of baby boomer retirees.

There have actually been some number of European nations, which have paid couples to have children, so as to address this issue of the inverted pyramid.

World population increase is due to the undeveloped and developing nations. Unless you’re advocating for U.S. physicians to be trained as paratroopers, and parachuting into the Sahel or New Delhi, with scalpers and snippers, I’m don’t see where you’re going with this.

I might add, that Malthus’ linear based thinking regarding population growth, was proven inconsequential by the dynamics of human invention and adaptation. While I do not discount your valid concerns; I just wouldn’t be too Chicken Little about future prospects.

Are you aware of the mathematical models which show the historical patterns of increase and then sudden decrease in microbes, insects and other animal life? Interesting that nail brought up some new desease, the other day, and then wondered if this was going to be to extinction of human kind.

kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting quick read comparing Islam's view of Jesus Christ as opposed to mainstream Christianity. Most people are probably surprised that Muslims must except Jesus Christ's teachings to become a Muslim. Muslims also believe Jesus was sent from God and born of a virgin.

A tenet of the Christian faith is the virgin birth. Mormons do not believe or teach that Jesus was born of a virgin. In this context, the personhood of Jesus, Muslims seem to have more in common with Christians than do Mormons.

My God i just thought of something. What if Mormons turn to suicide bombings to get their ideological points across.

What if Mormons start donning IED's to protest IUD's? :)))

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@9:48- *Interesting quick read comparing Islam's view of Jesus Christ as opposed to mainstream Christianity.* http://soundvision.com/Info/Jesus/inIslam.asp

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


We hear the Islamic faith demonized on a daily basis. Mostly from the ever fearful right, trumping Christianity as the end all of religions while castigating anyone that doesn't believe in the supremacy of Jesus Christ.

Except for Jews and Mormons. They get a pass. Why?

Christians believe they become Jewish when they are "born again", when re-birthed into the "seed of Abraham". It still has that ever so clear "I'm right and you're wrong" elitist ring to it, but nuanced with a culture that most don't take the time to understand. But it sounds warm & fuzzy.

Mormons get a pass because they write checks and vote Republican.

Anyway, Check this out. Some Muslim faithful are willing to share in an unprecedented way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/easter-at-the-mosque-sacramento-muslims-help-christian_n_1412663.html?ref=islam

nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 11:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya3ck1HwLtg

Cops are blaming LSD for this one without a shred of evidence to back it up.

I bet they find whatever they want in his system to calm populace fears.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/29/rudy-eugene-identified-as-naked-cannibal-face-attack-miami_n_1552249.html?ref=mostpopular

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 5:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal



kn_dalai — May 29, 2012 at 9:15 p.m.,

Just read your post. If I had the answers, I'd be running this show.

Much of what you say has been addressed by Pat Buchanan, in books such as Death of the West. I don't agree with a basic premise of his (preservation of race), but the discussion is a very important one that we refuse to address.

We are at fault, to a great degree, for the current world overpopulation. I don't know your age, but those of us who grew up in the '50s/'60s should all remember giving our pennies and nickels to UNESCO and other organizations that were helping the poor people around the world. Our Peace Corps taught people better methods of farming, etc. We're treating and curing disease at an unprecedented rate. This list can go on and on. So, the great population levelers of the past (disease, famine) are isolated to places like Africa. Maybe something will come along that we can't stop.

The planet and it's resources can only sustain so many people. Is this a true assumption? If so, then we have to decide whether we're nearing the point where hard decisions have to be made.

roger — May 30, 2012 at 6:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I sourced Fox news because this one is hard to believe, and I figured those on the right would dismiss it as leftist propaganda.

Watching the Romney campaign over the months has been amusing. It's like the staff has been living in a religious bubble all their lives and are completly out of touch with mainstream "Amercia". Oh yeah......:)

Romney campaign spells 'America' wrong in new iPhone app
Published May 30, 2012

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/30/romney-campaign-spells-america-wrong-in-new-iphone-app/#ixzz1wMIcL0B4

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 6:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


There are those that aren't able to draw a distinction between an off the cuff verbal gaff and a campaign organized thought out internet presidential promotion that misspells America.

Then there are those who have the capacity to understand, and either ignore or misconstrue facts that don't fit into their ideology.

Unfortunately blurring the lines work with more than a few.

Obama 2012

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*"...presidential promotion..."* My bad. It should read wannabe presidential promotion.

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — May 30, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.

And you NEVER misspell anything, do you CT?

hawkeye — May 30, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.

Well professor, I see that once again, you have gone with your fallback position of a good defense through a strong offense. In other news, your comments are often so nonsensical as to be unintelligible or irrelevant. But I guess that’s the game plan now isn’t it.

I’m wondering how your repeated condemnations of Christianity and Republicans, does not constitute the essence of a bigot.

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*But to spin it as nailingit has done about Romney like it's the greatest sin ever..*

Well there we have it. A spin about non-existent spin! :))) I'll call it "Sin Spin "!!! "Or Spin Sin"!!!

I would say this campaign gaff speaks to competence and organizational quality, not sin.

Adding to our national debt by borrowing money from China in order to continue the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the uber wealthy while slashing needed medical services for the elderly and poor...now that could be classified as a "sin".

New verbiage added to the basement from the unsuspecting! Given the source, I'll dedicate this new phrase with a bible scripture. My God I feel inspired today!

1 Corinthians 1:27

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

- 1769 Oxford King James Bible "Authorized Version"

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*...you have gone with your fallback position of a good defense through a strong offense.*

Once again I'm compared to Dikta's 85' Bears!

*...your comments are often so nonsensical as to be unintelligible or irrelevant.*

Please source & provide examples. Perhaps it is a question of comprehension.

*...repeated condemnations of Christianity*

Please source & provide examples. Perhaps it is a question of comprehension.

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...my bad kn_d. I reread your comment again......*you have gone with your fallback position of a good defense through a strong offense.* and realize I misread it. It's more like you compared me to the 89' 49ers. :)

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 8:49 a.m.

Perhaps it is a question expression.

My idea of a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, and seeks to emulate his instructions to the best of their ability. -- nailingit — May 29, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.

Does this include forced participation through collectivization? Sure seems to me that’s where the religious Left is coming from.

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- Was it "forced participation through collectivization" when Jesus caucused with the masses & provided free food & health care? Was it "forced participation" when Jesus stated there is only one pathway to God and it is through him, then commanded his followers to be baptized and alter their way of life or face eternal damnation? It's important to remember context here.

Religion/Christianity & politics never have mixed well. Perhaps that's why a few back in the day thought it best to keep them "separate", to include Jesus Christ himself.

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It was voluntary. I have repeatedly stressed the difference between voluntary and mandatory; mandatory, as in forced participation through government. A point which is utterly lost on the Left. Perhaps it is a question of comprehension.

Religion/Christianity & politics never have mixed well. -- nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.

Why not just leave it at "Religion"? Why single out Christianity for specific mention?

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm hoping this Murdoch scandal takes down this faux news organization called "Fox News". If FN didn't exist, Romney would be forced to speak openly with the American people, rather than hiding/limiting his performance singing to the conservative choir in the confines of Murdoch Mansion.

This guy will bend over for Trump to get a buck, what could Putin, Yahoo, Karzai, etc. offer this enigmatic corporatist to bend his yet undefined will to? Can we trust this guy Romney?

**Why Mitt Romney only does Fox News interviews: 5 theories**

CBS News' Bob Schieffer wants to know why Romney is largely ignoring other networks. Here, some explanations
POSTED ON MAY 29, 2012, AT 7:00 AM

When he interviews with Fox News, Romney is guaranteed as much air time as he wants, in front of huge amounts of friendly voters.
The only Sunday morning talk show Mitt Romney has appeared on this election season is Fox News Sunday, and the other networks are annoyed that the Republican presidential candidate is ignoring their invitations. "I know he does Fox," Bob Schieffer said to senior Romney adviser Ed Gillespie on CBS's Face the Nation this weekend, "but we'd love to have him some time, as would Meet the Press and the ABC folk, I would guess." Gillespie replied: "We're going to take our message to the American people. You saw him talking to schoolchildren last week." And it's not just the Sunday shows Romney is avoiding. Aside from two sit-downs alongside his wife, Ann — on CBS and ABC — and appearances on CNBC and CNN, Romney has only talked with Fox News since securing the GOP nod nearly two months ago. Why is Romney sticking with the "fair and balanced" network? Here, five theories:

read more @

http://theweek.com/article/index/228498/why-mitt-romney-only-does-fox-news-interviews-5-theories

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*It was voluntary. I have repeatedly stressed the difference between voluntary and mandatory; mandatory, as in forced participation through government. A point which is utterly lost on the Left. Perhaps it is a question of comprehension.*

*It was voluntary*...or face eternal damnation!!! LOL!

What is truly lost is your inability or unwillingness not to separate church from state. You verbally weave religion & politics as if they are one. At times your statements are Bachman/Palin/Perryesque, and context is lost.

*Why not just leave it at "Religion"? Why single out Christianity for specific mention?*

Because other religions haven't impacted our voting process to any degree, (thank God for all the new 2010-2012 Republican legislation banning Sharia Law!) and voting Americans overwhelmingly claim Christianity as their religion.

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.

> It was voluntary...or face eternal damnation!!! LOL!

It is a matter of choice whether to believe or not. Your comment is irrelevant.

> What is truly lost is your inability or unwillingness not to separate church from state. You verbally weave religion & politics as if they are one.

You have absolutely no idea what you are saying. In response to a question you once asked about Christianity, some months ago, I responded that I while I attended church as a yute, and was comfirmed, for me it became a matter of faith, and I cannot call myself a Christian. My own beliefs run along a Spinoza-like Pantheism. Nontheless, your constant derision of Christians, does not go unnoticed. I question, because the truth is the truth. Just as I believe that Roe v. Wade, is the best decision that could be made, while at the same time called out the reference to abortion as health care, or some other nonsense, for the euphemisms that they are. There is nothing that I have ever stated, in which I “verbally weave religion & politics as if they are one". Talk about laughing out loud. Your statement is indefensible

> Because other religions haven't impacted our voting process to any degree...

But Islam does have a major impact on the world stage, which this country is intimately involved in. You might also note, the number of mosques, which dot the landscape, that were not there forty years ago. Your comment borders on ludicrous.

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
More like the 07, Patriots..But on another non religious note the fishing up the Gorge on Sat was totally a blast... Got back before the weather changed. Didn't keep a thing but caught 14 trout, one was about 3 lbs but didn't have the heart to drag it home, oh well.. When the Lewis goes down a bit will try for a Steelhead. ..Eagle Claw 7 1/2 backpack rod I bought at a garage sale a couple weeks ago.. Gotta love those garage sales, never know what you'll find..... Purchased a couple new fly's that helped out allot as well.. Nothing much better than feeling the strike of a fish on a fly rod...Our area is some of the most beautifull this country has to offer and you don't have to go to far.

vanwadreamer — May 30, 2012 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- I haven't fished in a number of years (and never have in this area) but you are starting to give me the itch again. Sounds like a lot of great chow.

*Nothing much better than feeling the strike of a fish on a fly rod...*

That's what she said! :))

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*It is a matter of choice whether to believe or not. Your comment is irrelevant.*

Everything in life requires choice, to include following a "collectivist" agenda. [i.e. the U.S. Constitution] My view is if someone can't stand this type of "forced participation" from a "collectivist agenda", [i.e. paying taxes/businesses offering health insurance to include family planning] than leave. Get the hell out of a country that that refuses to bend to their will.

*You have absolutely no idea what you are saying.*

You're a quick study kn_d, can't get one past you!

< I responded that I while I > for me > and I >My own > cannot call myself > I question >as I > that I > in which I >....talk about yourself much? :)

I never associated you with a religion. But rather your false equivocation. ref. your post just today @ 9:05.

Because other religions haven't impacted our voting process to any degree...

*But Islam does have a major impact on the world stage, which this country is intimately involved in. You might also note, the number of mosques, which dot the landscape, that were not there forty years ago. Your comment borders on ludicrous.*

Let's print the whole statement you are criticizing. :)

Because other religions haven't impacted our voting process to any degree, (thank God for all the new 2010-2012 Republican legislation banning Sharia Law!) **and voting Americans overwhelmingly claim Christianity as their religion.**

Context kn_d...context. Watch Fox news much?

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Your comment borders on ludicrous.*

Why would my comment hinge on someone Bill O'Reilly makes money off of?

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


- On the Federal Constitution and collectivism through government: matters of degree are important. A distinction the Left is loathe to acknowledge. Really nailingit, your emotionalism will come to no good end.
- Apparently, you’re agreeing with me that you don’t know what you’re talking about. OK.
- Considering your multitudinous posts, you are hardly in a position to accuse others of being self absorbed.
- “What is truly lost is your inability or unwillingness not to separate church from state. You verbally weave religion & politics as if they are one.” But then “I never associated you with a religion.” Did I ever tell you that funny little story about the guy who hopped around with his foot in his mouth? Also,there is no false equivocation in my comment of 9:05.
- Adding the rest of your statement, does nothing to diminish my comment on the importance of Islam in politics, or your singling out of Christianity.
- No, I don’t watch Fox. If I did, so what? Judging from all of the comments you have made about Fox, it seems likely that you do. Hey...what's going on in the Daily Kos today anyway?

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And on a much lighter note....

I am back in town and gladly so. Being in LA for a few days showed me once more why we moved here. Did I miss the trees! The green! The great wonderful green!

LA=even more congested, more people, more traffic.

While I never fish, I agree with vanwa: it sure is great here.

luvithere — May 30, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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What made you want to look up multitudinous? *Witnessing yet again, kn_d's inability to apply context to content when contextually commenting on the comments in context causing contentious comments. And it's a cool word!* Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). *Considering your multitudinous posts, you are hardly in a position to accuse others of being self absorbed.* Why, the C'''! of course!

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Welcome back luvit. Thanks for the lighter note.

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Merriam-Webster does seem strange to few elitist "Bing.com" users I suppose! :) Anyhoooo

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fox News.......fair & balanced......:))))))))))))))))))))))

**'Fox And Friends' Anti-Obama Video Could Double As GOP Ad [UPDATE: Fox News Issues Statement] (VIDEO)**

Some media critics were outraged by the video. The Baltimore Sun's David Zurawik denounced it, calling it reminiscent of "1930s propaganda":

As the guy who challenged the Obama administration two years when it tried to deny Fox News access to interviews and other opportunities offered to the media on the grounds that Fox was not a legitimate news operation, I have to tell you even I am shocked by how blatantly Fox is throwing off any pretense of being a journalistic entity with videos like this. Don't be fooled by Bret Baier's Boy Scout smile or all the talk about how some shows are news and some are opinion on the channel. Any news organization that puts up this kind of video is rotten to the core.
Conservative commentators also expressed discomfort with the video. Hot Air's Ed Morrisey said that it didn't seem like something a news organization should be producing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/30/fox-and-friends-anti-obama-video_n_1556557.html

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From CNN--

"In an outreach to conservatives, Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter went to a right-of-center think tank, The American Enterprise Institute, on Wednesday to deliver the message that the Obama administration is determined to avoid the automatic cuts which take effect in January, and is pushing ahead with a strategic pivot from Iraq and Afghanistan to the Pacific Rim."

Huh??!! Trying to appease conservatives by telling them Obama's admin is working on what they want??!!

Spending cuts to a bloated military budget? It seems neither party has the cajones to do so. Whack the social, health, and educational budgets, you dummies! The little people will gladly sacrifice their health and living standards for "security". Besides, the rich folks can still afford higher education, and you don't want to waste a college education on cannon fodder.

mrd — May 30, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I had a strict taskmaster of a vocabulary and grammar teacher, nailingit. I learned multitudinous, shortly after I learned: I, me and my.

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Uh oh. Talking about gaffes. Seems our fearless leader has ruffled some feathers. At a White House ceremony yesterday, he referred to a “Polish death camp”. Problem is, they were Nazi Germany death camps. The Poles are rather sensitive to that sort of misstatement, and understandably so. Polish Prime Minister Tusk, is reportedly very angry and demanding an explanation. Maybe the prez should give some sort of apology, just so long as he doesn’t bow to the guy.

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Before sidetracking to other issues, I believe kn_dalai questioned why criticize Christianity but not Islam.

Perhaps the hatred of another religion stems from the monotheism of the Jews which the Christians and Muslims adopted. The previous many gods approach required an acceptance of what others believed - this One God meant that all others were wrong.

Add to this the attempts to convert others. The Jews aren't really that much into this, so we can pretty much give them a pass.

The Muslims had a history of an approach whereby once they conquer you, as long as you pay their taxes and obeyed their laws, they really didn't care what you believed. I'm not certain this holds true anymore, but they spend so much time killing each other for strange (to me) reasons that who knows what's really behind their actions.

Christianity, on the other hand, has a very long history of blatantly practicing "convert or die." Is it any wonder so many people dislike it when modern day sects (e.g., the politicized Evangelical movement of Pat Robertson and followers) start talking their true interpretation of the teachings of Jesus that we must all live by?

And the only real Truth is that it's all fiction. Might as well believe in aliens being the real gods; there's more proof to support this than these religions we hold to be so important.

roger — May 30, 2012 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The Republicans continue to embarrass themselves while turning our country into a laughing stock.

I think their secret weapon is Victoria Jackson. She get the Prez nod at convention.

**Will 'birther' Orly Taitz be GOP Senate nominee?**

Laguna Niguel attorney and dentist Orly Taitz, one of 14 GOP candidates in the race, has built a reputation on a barrage of lawsuits alleging that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen. She finished a distant second in the 2010 primary for California secretary of state, but the huge Republican field this time means the vote could be split by many - allowing Taitz to win.
"It would be an embarrassment to the party," said Allan Hoffenblum, a former political director of the California Republican Party. Hoffenblum now handicaps races but is not predicting a GOP winner in this one.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/california-356405-taitz-gop.html

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-yiRH...

~McCain was given a choice between Palin & Jackson for VP in 2008. He rejected jackson for fear she would show him up on foreign policy and steal his thunder.~

An excerpt taken from Volume 4- 3:19 (NIV) of "The Dead Sea Skrow-A latter day profile of lian tigni."

nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"This sign I give you: every people speaks its tongue of good and evil, which the neighbor does not understand. It has invented its own language of customs and rights." ~ Nietzsche

roger — May 30, 2012 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 30, 2012 at 4:21 p.m

Un-friggin-believeable

hawkeye — May 30, 2012 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***OK, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard (besides Victoria Jackson)***

New York Plans a Ban on Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the administration of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to combat rising obesity.

The proposed ban would affect virtually the entire menu of popular sugary drinks found in delis, fast-food franchises and even sports arenas, from energy drinks to pre-sweetened iced teas. The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be prohibited under the first-in-the-nation plan, which could take effect as soon as next March.

***What's going to stop them from buying two or going back for a refill? ***

hawkeye — May 30, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit’s post of 7:17 p.m. had a couple of names that didn’t exactly sound of white anglo saxon origins. It reminded me of something I noticed quite some time ago. I.E. the number of blacks who have become Republicans, over the years.

A while ago, I posed the question of how many Democrats became Republicans versus how many Republicans switched to Democrat. At the time, I could think of any number who switched to Republican, but none that switched to Democrat. Since then, I now know that the late Oregon Senator Wayne Morse, once a Republican, eventually became a Democrat, in the 1950’s, after first calling himself an Independent. Aside from Morse; who else?

Here are just a few of the more prominent black Republicans: Alan Keyes, Thomas Sowell, Condoleezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Herman Cain, Allen West, J.C. Watts, Ken Hamblin, the late Eldridge Cleaver, and one of my favorites: Ward Connerly. Actually, they’re all my favorites.

Despite the undoubted hardships of being black in a mostly white country, these are people who have understood the vagaries of pop culture, and the underlying truths of human nature. And against great odds, have had the fortitude to ignore the insults and worse, thrown their way, in pursuit of a deeper truth: pop culture comes and goes, human nature doesn’t change.

When a Leftist says there should be more women in government, what they really mean is more women so long as they’re Democrats. After all, our local Leftists were fine with former 3rd congressional district congress woman Unsoeld, but they couldn’t stand Linda Smith (a former Democrat herself, BTW). When a Leftist says there should be more minorities in government, they mean like Barack Obama but not Allen West.

Bias is an interesting phenomenon, and not easily dispensed with.

kn_dalai — May 30, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Here are just a few of the more prominent black Republicans: Alan Keyes, Thomas Sowell, Condoleezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Herman Cain, Allen West, J.C. Watts, Ken Hamblin, the late Eldridge Cleaver, and one of my favorites: Ward Connerly. Actually, they’re all my favorites.*

Quite the list!!! :)))))))

I won't take the time to run down each one, many laden with incompetency and fraud. What a group! :)

*When a Leftist says there should be more minorities in government, they mean like Barack Obama but not Allen West..*

Well...at least you got something right. What an insane comparison!

Why do conservatives meekly speak of minorities within their party and over the top trump what few they have? Check out these stats!!!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0878575.html

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 5:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6J6z7...

Another guy that loves labels. (labels simplify life for many)

Most of these folks don't even understand what a Communist/Marxist is.

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 5:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Citizens United Attacks From Justice Stevens Continue**

WASHINGTON -- A day after receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, retired Justice John Paul Stevens on Wednesday night backed President Barack Obama's suggestion during his 2010 State of the Union address that the Citizens United decision could lead to "foreign entities" bankrolling American elections.

He urged the U.S. Supreme Court to explicitly explain why the president's words were "not true," as Justice Samuel Alito famously mouthed on camera, breaking the justices' usual stoic appearance during the president's annual speech.

Stevens has been a trenchant critic of Citizens United since the court decided the case in January 2010. On the day the opinion was announced, he spent 20 minutes reading from the bench a summary of his 90-page dissent. Stumbling over some words that day convinced Stevens, now 92, to retire, but he continued to condemn the ruling in speeches, writings and even on the Colbert Report.

read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/30/citizens-united-justice-stevens_n_1557721.html

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 5:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**eldridge cleaver, eh...?**

didn't know that. interesting.

DeeLittle — May 31, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


For you displaced America haters that Trump Black Panthers and crazy hate-filled D-Jays (ref. Kn_d @ 8:56) as "prominent Americans", here's some more hate for you to get off on.

One day you guys are going to pay a price for your misplaced rhetoric & division. For now, you'll have to be happy with rabble rousing and screwing up America's political process.

**Jay Townsend, GOP Spokesman: 'Let's Hurl Some Acid At Those Female Democratic Senators'**

A moderator of the NY19 U.S. House of Representatives Civil Discussion Center page responded to Townsend, asking him to "please refrain from calling our members names." The unnamed moderator also asked if Hayworth knew about his comments or whether he had "gone rogue."

Comments from outraged constituents quickly followed. "‎'Hurl some acid' Jay Townsend? Do you realize what that means?" wrote one person. "Acid attacks are particularly brutal, aimed almost solely at women, with the intent to maim and disfigure. I couldn't imagine a worse piece of invective from someone who puts the Republican war on women in quotes."

Another commenter: "Mr. Townsend, do you think we live in Afghanistan?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/jay-townsend-nan-hayworth-acid-war-on-women_n_1560693.html?ref=politics

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't know how this is going to be combated. This is what republicans do. If you don't have a message that resonates with Americans, drown out the ones that do.

*David Axelrod Massachusetts Press Conference Turned Into Circus By Mitt Romney Supporters*

But before he could get started, the event was sabotaged by a group of Romney supporters and aides who jeered, booed and even blew bubbles into the crowd. Shouts of "four more years" were countered with cries of "five more months." Talk of the president's accomplishments were met with chants of Solyndra and Cory Booker -- the latter in reference to the Newark mayor's off-message criticism of the Obama campaign's attacks on Bain Capital.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/david-axelrod-mitt-romney_n_1559517.html?ref=politics&ref;=politics

The end result was a circus, illustrating some of the more juvenile aspects of political campaigns, with one side leveling bromides and the other, boos.

"Thanks for the bubbles -- it was a hell of a lot better than the smoke Mitt Romney blew at us 10 years ago," said Somerville Mayor Joe Curtatone.

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BREAKING NEWS---BREAKING NEWS---BREAKI...The Justice Department demands Florida stop purging voter rolls.

This is something voters on both sides of the aisle should protest. 2010 elected corporate baggers are doing this around the country.

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Prominent definition: [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prominent][1]

Like “genius”, the word prominent is…amoral. Look that one up in your Merriam-Webster.

[1]: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prominent

kn_dalai — May 31, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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: standing out or projecting beyond a surface or line : protuberant
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Middle English promynent, from Latin prominent-, prominens, from present participle of prominēre to jut forward, from pro- forward + -minēre (akin to mont-, mons mountain) — more at mount
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What made you want to look up prominent? *Another attempt from a conservative to backtrack unthinking cut & paste posts to prove a partisan point. Attributed to short term comprehension derived from faux knowledge from an imaginative youth to faux news.* Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). *Like “genius”, the word prominent is…amoral. Look that one up in your Merriam-Webster.* Why...the C''''', of course!!!

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Question: do insane asylums have internet connectivity?

kn_dalai — May 31, 2012 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


using the basement as my study model, i'd say yes.

DeeLittle — May 31, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When are you going? Tell me which one and I'll do a search...

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — May 31, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.

Yep. That is interesting. Check out his bio. You’ll be surprised. I posted on him a few months ago. Who’d a figured E. Cleaver for a convert to Mormonism.

Another interesting and prominent American figure: P.J. O’Rourke.

> Patrick Jake O'Rourke was born in Toledo, Ohio, son of a car salesman and dance instructor. He began life as a Republican, but in the late 1960's he changed his politics to conform to the rest of the nation's youth. He says, "At least I was never a liberal. I went from Republican to Communist and right back to Republican." [http://pjorourke.com/][1]

For that quote; click on "bio". Aside from that Dee, if you want to have some good belly laughs; spend some time reading excerpts from his numerous books. Check out the "Parliment of Whores" -- excerpt. For one.

[1]: http://pjorourke.com/

kn_dalai — May 31, 2012 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


PJ O'Rourke claims to be a Libertarian. Parliament of Whores an excellent read. Also try Peace Kills and Modern Manners.

Didn't know he was prominent, though. Probably the best to ever write for Rolling Stone, but....

roger — May 31, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And if you're looking for nonWhite conservatives, you can't leave Dinesh D'Souza out. Read Illiberal Education and The End of Racism.

roger — May 31, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> PJ O'Rourke claims to be a Libertarian. -- roger — May 31, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.

So does Republican Ron Paul.

kn_dalai — May 31, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thomas Sowell - Civil Rights: Rhetoric or Reality?

roger — May 31, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Barnes and Nobel has a book The Leadership Secrets of Colin Powell. Someone took a lot of his old talks on the subject and consolidated them to a book. He was a great military leader - should have gotten his 5th Star. I leaned on his writings heavily in my higher military schooling.

roger — May 31, 2012 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thomas Dortch. (A Democrat) Founder of 100 Black Men, an organization that bases the advancement of Black people in the US on education, hard work and entrepreneurship. This organization has grown tremendously since I first heard of them in the late '90s - they've chapters all over the US.

roger — May 31, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And what got me on this little kick was something nailingit said this morning, as part of this extended "debate" with kn_dalai.

Listing Thomas Sowell (one of the most brilliant political economists and conservative thinkers of the late 20th Century) and Gen Colin Powell in a generic "I won't take the time to run down each one, many laden with incompetency and fraud. What a group! :)" is a ridiculous statement - one that could just as easily be leveled against the Rev Jesse Jackson and the Rev Al Sharpton. (And I like Rev Al's MSNBC show, by the way - I've developed a new respect for him since he became a Morning Joe regular a while back.)

I went to the military Equal Opportunity school back in '97 - something that always irritated me was that a minority leader had to fit a narrow mold or their relevance was discounted. Linda Chavez and I.M. Pei badmouthed for backing the Official English movement. Booker T. Washington for his "render unto Caesar" approach to working toward racial equality. On the radical side, Marcus Garvey and Farrakhan due to their separatists beliefs. If they weren't a Democratic who marched lock step with the Civil Rights movement - they didn't count.

roger — May 31, 2012 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal



the "rev" jesse jackson.....

i despise that man. he was just one of the inner group around dr. king. nobody special, nobody above anybody else.

when dr king was killed, the first one to run outside and grab a mic was....jesse jackson.

instant civil rights leader. i get nauseous just hearing the name.

DeeLittle — May 31, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*" is a ridiculous statement - one that could just as easily be leveled against the Rev Jesse Jackson and the Rev Al Sharpton. (And I like Rev Al's MSNBC show, by the way - I've developed a new respect for him since he became a Morning Joe regular a while back.)*

Didn't you just accomplish that?

It's amusing to watch a couple of white conservative "historians" cherry pick their fave black leaders & writes like they are a separate entity from the human race. Toss around accusations of "ridiculous" and educate us about black leadership and it's diversity. Must be a slow day. Thanks though.

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 10:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maryland Pastor Dennis Leatherman: 'My Flesh Kind Of Likes The Idea' Of Killing Gays

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/maryland-pastor-dennis-leatherman-killing-gays_n_1559998.html

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 11:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Bill Clinton Heading To Wisconsin To Campaign For Tom Barrett**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/bill-clinton-wisconsin-tom-barrett_n_1559976.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 11:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — May 31, 2012 at 10:06 p.m.

It's amusing to watch a couple of white conservative "historians"....

Gee - Never really thought of myself as a conservative before. I gather you're redefining that label to include anyone to the right of the extreme left fringes of the Democratic party?

As for a slow day - I thought that was what was behind the numerous postings about looney pastors and killing gays - thought I was just trying to help carry the ball and help turn the conversation toward something vaguely relevant to the real world. Sorry to have earned your disapproval with this, nails. I'll try to do better next time. Promise. Really.

roger — June 1, 2012 at 5:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So Nailingit, what will the misdirection be today for zero? I suspect we will hear that the job market is cooling off due to the tremendous growth in the economy of Antarctica. I haven't checked Huffpo to see what the talking points are for the day yet.

Rightwing_Extremist — June 1, 2012 at 6:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice little controversy shaping up here, with both sides exhibiting a great deal of inconsistency. You got some 'splainin'!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/sex-selection-abortion-vote-fails-house-gop_n_1559827.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl9|sec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D165987

What are sex selection abortion stats in this country? Around the world, this procedure is overwhelmingly used to abort a female fetus - hence the tie in to the "war on women" by opponents of the practice.

One would think abortion opponents would support any legislation that restricts the practice. But the article doesn't really get into why a Republican-controlled House didn't pass the bill. It focuses on the arguments of pro-Choice Dems, saying it was another attempt to restrict that "right" to choice.

roger — June 1, 2012 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Never really thought of myself as a conservative before.* I know.

*Sorry to have earned your disapproval with this, nails. I'll try to do better next time. Promise. Really.* Thank you

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 6:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Doug Koesel, Cleveland Priest, Writes: What The Nuns' Story Is Really About**

This is what annoys American Catholics. The Vatican is hypocritical and duplicitous. Their belief is always that someone else needs to clean up their act; the divorced, the gays, the media, the US nuns, the Americans who were using the wrong words to pray, the seminaries, etc. It never occurs to the powers that be that the source of the problem is the structure itself. We can say that now with certainty as regards the sex abuse crisis. It was largely the structure of the church itself, the way men were trained and isolated, made loyal to the system at all costs and not to the person, that gave us the scandalous cover-up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/priest-writes-defense-of-nuns_n_1561271.html

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 7:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mike Elk, Labor Reporter, Has Microphone Yanked Out Of His Hands For Questioning CEO (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/mike-elk-microphone-honeywell_n_1562452.html?ref=politics&ir;=Politics

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


4/24/12 @ 7:44 PM- I echo the sentiment. Come out of hiding you "silly goose". :)))

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So it's no surprise that, behind closed doors, Republicans are high-fiving about today's lousy jobs numbers which were the worst in a year. Only 69,000 jobs were created in May and the unemployment rate ticked up to 8.2%.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/stock-crash-while-republicans-high-five-over-lousy-161325388.html?l=1

***They should be proud of themselves, they are responsible for this, not the President.***

hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.

How do you figure the president is not responsible?

frobert — June 1, 2012 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The house refuses to bring the President's Jobs Act to a vote.

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And the president is posturing against Iran and artificially inflating fuel prices. This puts a huge burden on working class families causing the economy to falter.

frobert — June 1, 2012 at 10:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — June 1, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.

How do you figure he is?

hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*And the president is posturing against Iran* And what would you have him do?

*and artificially inflating fuel prices.* Please source. I wasn't aware the President could control the price of gas.

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — June 1, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.

Haven't you heard, gas prices are DOWN. Except here because of refinery shut downs.

hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


UH-OH FOX could be in trouble

***News Corp. lawyer: 500 hacking claims possible***

LONDON (AP) — A lawyer for Rupert Murdoch's British newspaper group says the company could face 500 lawsuits from victims of tabloid phone hacking — far more than have so far been filed.

Michael Silverleaf told a court hearing Friday that "we are dealing with 500 claims, potentially" from people who say their voicemail messages were intercepted by the now-defunct News of the World.

Murdoch's News Group Newspapers has paid millions to settle lawsuits from 60 actors, athletes, politicians and other public figures whose voicemails were hacked by the tabloid.

More than 45 new cases are due to go to court, with claimants including soccer star Wayne Rooney and Cherie Blair, wife of former Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Murdoch closed the News of the World last July amid an outcry over its wrongdoing.

hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Romney needs to crawl out from underneath Fox news and do some honest interviews. I hear Obama indicted daily, yet no response from critics as to what policies Romney wants that will make things better. So far it's Bush 2.0.+Ryan Plan. Take away the anti-Obama emotionalism from the right and what's left? What has Romney offered? [rhetorical question]

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Koch Brothers Plan To Funnel Tens Of Millions To Conservative Allies To Influence 2012 Elections

Three GOP fundraisers familiar with the plans of the billionaire Koch brothers and their rich friends told The Huffington Post that their donor network is expected to funnel this year tens of millions into conservative groups, including the **National Rifle Association**, **Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform**, the **National Right to Life Committee**, **Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition**, **the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund**. By spreading their wealth throughout the conservative ecosystem, the Kochs can exploit trusted brands with passionate followings that reach beyond the Tea Party base. These three sources all requested anonymity since they are not authorized to speak about the Koch donor network's plans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/koch-brothers-network_n_1560596.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 1:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nice to see some old posters back....makes for good er, ah...'dialog'.

DeeLittle — June 1, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i'm watching clinton on some news channel and i'd SWEAR he's had work done.....facelist or something....

DeeLittle — June 1, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


SO THOSE KOCH BROTHERS ARE GOING TO MAKE POLITICAL DONATIONS. WOW! THAT'S FASCINATING.

IN OTHER BREAKING NEWS: WATER IS WET!

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 1:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Good one.

Now maybe you'd like to drink the stuff.

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 1:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Crazy,
Obama's administration are hell bent on "NOT" stopping voter fraud. I guess It's because he is from Chicago, thats were all the dead folks get counted three times..I'm thinking Obama thinks he will need these votes to defeat Romney, just a thought... This whole Illegal Alien crap is out of control. Washington State still issues DL without proof you are here legally... On to the vote: I think we should have to provide Government issued approved ID when we vote. Show the ID and your good to go...

vanwadreamer — June 1, 2012 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain-

this was buried at the bottom of the article you provided in case you missed it.

"Outside the Golden State, a handful of liberal billionaires have been writing checks and raising funds for the President, although Romney counts on the support of far more of the Forbes 400."

Couldn't be the dude running Forbes, your source, is Malcolm Forbes, the guy heading up the Heritage Foundation, a conservative "think-tank"? Or head of the Right to Work committee, an anti-union bunch? I really can't figure out why they would bury the fact Romney depends on these billionaires "far more" than does Obama. How 'bout you?

mrd — June 1, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice catch mrd!

soapbox4u — June 1, 2012 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice catch mrd! Says soapy.

Malcolm Forbes died years ago. (maybe you mean Steve Forbes)

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 3:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn-dalai, such a small world for you? The nice catch mrd was for the information buried at the bottom of the article notation, no more, no less. Try some other approach for your ego.

soapbox4u — June 1, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


oops, yea the guy is Steve-the one that does (or did?) a weekly show on Fox News, called Forbes on Fox.

mrd — June 1, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The thing is seven paragraphs long. Short paragraphs in large print. It takes maybe a minute or two to read. You think maybe the term “buried at the bottom” is a little on the overkill side. Interesting observation, I suppose but, no offense or anything, not exactly a great catch, unless one’s reading span is ten or fifteen seconds.

If they wanted to cover it up, they would have said nothing about it at all. If you think this is biased reporting, then maybe you ought to start complaining about the Leftist rags which it is common to see posted here.

Forbes on Fox? Maybe, I don’t watch FOX. Steve Forbes was a presidential candidate in the Republican primary years ago. Don’t remember which year. His father was Malcolm.

How's that for ego.

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Tsk, Tsk, such a wanna be in this small world here.

soapbox4u — June 1, 2012 at 4:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good catch D. I'm surprised they even mentioned it.

*hen maybe you ought to start complaining about the Leftist rags which it is common to see posted here.*

I'm finding "leftist rags", too be much more credible that the strongest of right wing publications. Forbes...another failed laughing stock of a candidate in Fox's ongoing attempt to place one of their pundits in the White House. Remember the Forbes story about the ghost of Obama's Kenyan father guiding Obama's decision making? Front page stuff for Forbes. What a joke!

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem_print.html

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wanna be what soapy?

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 4:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


We're a happy family....

roger — June 1, 2012 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Looks like most news sources are ready to hand the Wisconsin recall election to Governor Walker. Polling shows him with a 7 point lead among likely voters. Atlantic also notes a similar lead for Romney over Pres Obama.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/why-are-democrats-losing-the-wisconsin-recall/257856/

roger — June 1, 2012 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> I'm finding "leftist rags", too be much more credible that the strongest of right wing publications. -- nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.

No kidding. That’s kind a like a parent thinking their own child is the most beautiful in the world.

The D’Souza write, is pretty clearly his own analysis. If you don’t like his opinion, then that’s understandable, but maybe you should use your critical eye on Leftist writes as well.

Let’s take a look at some of what D’Souza writes:

> So who was Barack Obama Sr.? He was a Luo tribesman who grew up in Kenya and studied at Harvard. He was a polygamist who had, over the course of his lifetime, four wives and eight children. One of his sons, Mark Obama, has accused him of abuse and wife-beating. He was also a regular drunk driver who got into numerous accidents, killing a man in one and causing his own legs to be amputated due to injury in another. In 1982 he got drunk at a bar in Nairobi and drove into a tree, killing himself.

Just wondering nailingit…you remember when you ridiculed Romney over his grandfather having been a polygamist?

> What then is Obama's dream? We don't have to speculate because the President tells us himself in his autobiography, Dreams from My Father. According to Obama, his dream is his father's dream. Notice that his title is not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams from My Father. Obama isn't writing about his father's dreams; he is writing about the dreams he received from his father.

D’Souza writes that according to Obama Sr.:

> As he put it, "We need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now." The senior Obama proposed that the state confiscate private land and raise taxes with no upper limit. In fact, he insisted that "theoretically there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed."

D’Souza continues:

> It may seem incredible to suggest that the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. is espoused by his son, the President of the United States. That is what I am saying. From a very young age and through his formative years, Obama learned to see America as a force for global domination and destruction. He came to view America's military as an instrument of neocolonial occupation. He adopted his father's position that capitalism and free markets are code words for economic plunder. Obama grew to perceive the rich as an oppressive class, a kind of neocolonial power within America. In his worldview, profits are a measure of how effectively you have ripped off the rest of society, and America's power in the world is a measure of how selfishly it consumes the globe's resources and how ruthlessly it bullies and dominates the rest of the planet.

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> In his own writings Obama stresses the centrality of his father not only to his beliefs and values but to his very identity. He calls his memoir "the record of a personal, interior journey--a boy's search for his father and through that search a workable meaning for his life as a black American." And again, "It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself." Even though his father was absent for virtually all his life, Obama writes, "My father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!"
>
>
> In an eerie conclusion, Obama writes that "I sat at my father's grave and spoke to him through Africa's red soil."
>
> America today is governed by a ghost.

Other topics:

- The Obama’s admistration’s policy of banks repaying their TARP loans.
- Obama’s oil policy.
- Obama’s thoughts on NASA’s mission.

Remember the Forbes story about the ghost of Obama's Kenyan father guiding Obama's decision making? -- nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.

You haven’t even read D’Sousa’s piece have you nails. You thought “ghost” meant some sort of apparition. Didn’t you.

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Anybody out there hear that gas was $2.99 a gal. in the south? At my cheap station it was $4.09. I'd kill to pay $2.99 a gal. Just sayin!!

I heard that when the fire broke out at the refinery north of here that it represented 20% of our fuel around here. Well they're back on line after the repairs and the switch over to the 'summer blend' whatever the hell that is. My question is will this bring down the prices?

Barrels are at $86.00. It should be around that $2.99 mark.

Something is rotten around here.

JohnCasey — June 1, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I smell it too, John. Not sure if it's the gas prices or the pissing contest between nailingit, kn_dalai and crazytrain though. All I know is it's getting deep and everybody's lying.

hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*You haven’t even read D’Sousa’s piece have you nails. You thought “ghost” meant some sort of apparition. Didn’t you.*

Well let's see how wrong you got it this time k_nd....You claim you don't view Fox news. Okay...I guess I can accept that. Even though you read like a displaced Hannity a good part of the time. I'm sure you don't view MSNBC or any "lamestream media", so just what do you source? AP? Doctrines & Covenants?
This story's been around and discussed extensively bub, it's clear you don't read Forbes or other publications like it?!

kn_D -You got so wrapped up in the emotion of disproving my post you forgot the main ingredient to any story. Facts! :))) Or do they matter any more? I'll give you the White House response. You should get out more.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/howard-kurtz/2010/09/white_house_rips_forbes_articl.html

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


She produced another ridiculous website at 6:56. The right loves to perpetuate this lie. Let's sort it out. What does MarketWatch have to say?

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11814072-the-spending-surge-that-never-happened?lite

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The First Circuit Court's ruling that DOMA is unconstitutional apparently ensures a Supreme Court hearing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-decided-idUS228483148720120531

Meanwhile, Washington State and Maryland both will apparently have referendums looking to overturn legislative approval of same sex marriage, and Maine and New Jersey could have them proposing legalizing it. 30 states have laws banning it; haven't seen where any move is being made toward overturning them.

Per Madison, one of the fundamental reasons for the Supreme Court's existence is to review all legislation for constitutionality under the Bill of Rights, and to rule as necessary in order to prevent tyranny of the minority by the majority.

On the other hand, marriage is one of those areas left to the states to control.

However, there are areas concerning marriage that cannot be left to the states - e.g., federal tax deductions for married people, and Social Security benefits.

This is going to be a hard one. I'll vote against WA's referendum as I support gay marriage (couldn't give a damn about the religion and procreation aspects; only whether two people make each other happy enough to want to make it a permanent bond).

On the other hand, I'll be hoping for an extremely narrow Supreme Court ruling (if they hear the case) - something that tap dances around the issue with coming out a declaring gay marriage legal. We've got the Feds way too involved in matters belong to the states, and I fear the tyranny of a strong central gov't more than that of the majority of the people. Peoples minds can be changed; the Federal gov't is squeezing ever harder, and once they own us, our chances of escaping are minimal.

roger — June 1, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


For those that appreciate the game. Good vid.

**Johan Santana No-Hitter: Mets Pitcher Throws First No-Hit Game In Franchise History (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/johan-santana-no-hitter-mets-cardinals-history_n_1564211.html

nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I asked nail if he had even read the article he linked to. Then, without answering, nail says:

> Well let's see how wrong you got it this time k_nd....

Then links to that widely known, unbiased news source...the Washington Post.

So,

If you could actually look at that Washington Post article, you might see that they really haven’t said anything.

The White House response is a “Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire” evaluation of the D’Souza claims. They question Forbes magazine, without refuting anything, with the sole exception of their explanation of the oil drilling off of Brazil. Fine. Maybe. Maybe not.

Out of a scathing synopsis of Obama, and Obama's alleged intentions for America, that’s the best they can do? Criticize Forbes magazine, state that D’Souza is a conservative and get Gingrich’s reaction?

So why couldn’t spokesman Gibbs just say that Obama’s father was not a polygamist. (Funnything here nail, is that I for one really don’t care, but based on all of your Mormon and Romney bashing…obviously you do.)

Or refute the characterization of Obama Sr. as an angry socialist, and all the rest.

Or that the president categorically denies having contempt for free enterprise, or that he does not subscribe to the notion of; anticolonialist, as his father was said to be by D’Souza? etc. etc.

One thing that is verifiable is what Obama has written in his own book. Whatever. The truth is the truth. If he has been heavily influenced by the ideas of his father, then bring it on. Make the argument. Just don’t try to pull the Trojan Horse tactic.

And of course, you have not answered a very simple question. Who do you think you’re fooling. You never read that D’Souza piece did you? Don’t even bother. The answer is obvious.

And just what do you have to say about Romney's Grandfather's Poligamy?

kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal



*I asked nail if he had even read the article he linked to. Then, without answering, nail says:
Well let's see how wrong you got it this time k_nd....
Then links to that widely known, unbiased news source...the Washington Post.
So,*

That's not even third party stuff. A little creepy.

*(Funnything here nail, is that I for one really don’t care,)*

You are so verbose and filled with emotion. It sounds as though you care deeply. Your write is babble at best. You ok?

You're off the rails again k_nd. You are a bit incoherent. You know what happened the last time. You okay?

*And of course, you have not answered a very simple question.*

Awful demanding and over the top.

*Make the argument. Just don’t try to pull the Trojan Horse tactic.*

One second you care and the next you don't. One second you care and the next you don't. One seco.....Maybe it's time you hit the sack. I remember I would help ray_menlo out when it got late. Direction is much needed here. When you wake up things will be all better. I don't think I have to worry about you harming anyone though like the rayster...make me proud kNd_

*And just what do you have to say about Romney's Grandfather's Poligamy?*

Why would I have something to say about that? You okay?

What do you think about that no hitter?

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 12:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — June 1, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.

*I'm finding "leftist rags", too be much more credible that the strongest of right wing publications. -- nailingit — June 1, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
No kidding. That’s kind a like a parent thinking their own child is the most beautiful in the world.*

*The D’Souza write,*

Forbes Jumps the Shark

—By Kevin Drum
| Sun Sep. 12, 2010 11:02 AM PDT


I am flabbergasted. I was about to write a quickie "Quote of the Day" post starring Newt Gingrich, who apparently now thinks Barack Obama "is so outside our comprehension" that he can only be fathomed "if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior." But as I followed the quote backward, I learned that it was based on something that Dinesh D'Souza wrote. So I followed back again, and it turns out that the source isn't just something D'Souza wrote in some obscure lunatic outlet, it's the cover story of Forbes this week.

The. Cover. Of. Forbes.

Now sure. Steve Forbes is an ultraconservative true believer. But this is still a mainstream business magazine,1 not a John Birch Society newsletter. And D'Souza is the guy who wrote an entire book blaming 9/11 on the "cultural left," a book that expressed such obvious sympathy for the revulsion of conservative Muslims toward the American left's "deluge of gross depravity and immorality" that even most of the folks at National Review couldn't stomach it.

So now he has a new book out, and this week he's abstracting it on the cover of Forbes. D'Souza is ostensibly so bewildered by Obama's mainstream liberalism (climate change! national healthcare! non-nationalization of banks! progressive taxation!) that he insists Obama is completely incomprensible except when viewed through the lens of gibberish like this:

> So who was Barack Obama Sr.? He was a Luo tribesman who grew up in
> Kenya and studied at Harvard.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/09/forbes-jumps-shark

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 6:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*A good example of Republican "small government" at work*.

Louisiana House Approves Bill Banning Abortions After 20 Weeks

Under the Louisiana measure, doctors who violate the 20-week provision could face up to two years in prison.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/louisiana-house-approves-_n_1564113.html

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*This is going to get interesting. Let's pay attention this voting cycle.*

**Florida Voter Purge Will Continue, Defying Federal Warning**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/florida-voter-purge-federal-warning_n_1564131.html?ref=politics&ir;=Politics

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


btw thanks mr_basil_seal- If kNd was still as passionate today about this subject I was going to offer a slew of written opinion for the guy. This is old news but apparently new for some. The Mother Jones article is more than sufficient.

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


After Words: Van Jones, "Rebuild the Dream," hosted by Jackie Kucinich, USA Today
About the Program
"Rebuild the Dream" details the strategy and action plan of the platform and online organization of the same name. It suggests initiatives for supporting the middle class and putting people back to work. Mr. Jones discusses the Contract for the American Dream and the campaign to restore economic stability for the 99 percent with USA Today's Jackie Kucinich.

About the Authors
http://www.booktv.org/Watch/13388/After+Words+Van+Jones+Rebuild+the+Dream+hosted+by+Jackie+Kucinich+USA+Today.aspx

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


> mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 6:44 a.m.

Of course, your Mother Jones piece, does nothing to refute D'Souza's ideas. I take it you are familiar with the idea of attacking the messenger.

This is all really quite pointless. Unless one is willing to understand the two major different viewpoints of the purpose of government: 1) to protect the individual against transgressions such as violence or 2) to take care of people; then these little discussions about specific examples of this and that are overshadowed by bias,and an exercise in futility.

(Nailingit, I've always noticed that you have a penchant for throwing things back in someone's face, so to speak. So now I guess I'm the one whose emotional. Egads.)

kn_dalai — June 2, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"All I know is it's getting deep and everybody's lying." -- hawkeye — June 1, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.

Amen.

roger — June 2, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 8:50 a.m. (

Much of his (or both his's) stuff sorta reminds me of

Jonah Goldberg: Young People ‘So Frickin’ Stupid’ Voting Age Should Be Raised
by Noah Rothman | 6:24 pm, May 31st, 2012

Author and editor-at-large of National Review, Jonah Goldberg, gave a scathing review of youth culture and slammed what he described as an “unhealthy” reverence for young voters. He said that young people are “frickin’ stupid about some things” and believes that the voting age should be raised.

Speaking at the American Enterprise Institute, Goldberg said that he thought the voting age should be raised and it was a mistake to lower it in the first palace:

“I am not particularly enamored with the youth,” said Goldberg employing air quotes. “I don’t think youth politics is something very special or enviable. Personally, I think the voting age should be much higher not lower. I think it was a mistake to lower it to 18, to be brutally honest.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/jonah-goldberg-young-people-so-frickin-stupid-voting-age-should-be-raised/

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*(Nailingit, I've always noticed that you have a penchant for throwing things back in someone's face, so to speak.*

Only when a certain substance hits the fan. It appears you found your write unsettling also. Take your personal blowback and grow from it. After all, it's also used for fertilizer. :)

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — June 2, 2012 at 9:34 a.m

Sorta like it really isn't necessary to refute the Anthropogenic Climate Change denier claims....

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Or, from The American Conservative:

Obama, Anticolonial Hegemonist?
By DANIEL LARISON • September 9, 2010, 3:32 PM

Dinesh D’Souza has authored what may possibly be the most ridiculous piece of Obama analysis yet written. He takes a number of decisions Obama has made on a grab-bag of issues, declares that they are “odd,” and then proceeds to explain the “oddness” he has perceived by cooking up a bizarre thesis that Obama is a die-hard anticolonialist dedicated to his father’s anticolonialist legacy.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/obama-anticolonial-hegemonist/

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal @ 9:39- “It is a simple fact of science that nothing correlates more with ignorance and stupidity more than youth,” Goldberg continued. “We’re all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young.”

It sounds as though Mr. Goldberg was raised in a conservative household. :)

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — June 2, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.

Unless one is willing to understand the two major different viewpoints of the purpose of government: .....

http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon.htm

Comment?

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.

He probably does prefer a 'blank slate' being brought to his 'class'.... Easier to persuade if other's thinking hasn't been introduced.

Of course, if he want to rely on science, there is that pesky study or two (or three, now) showing how Fox viewers are less informed (or more misinformed ) than the average populace.

And there is that pesky loss of intellect that oft happens as one becomes more 'senior', the demographic of Fox.....

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Catholic leadership keeps bringing the hits. Sounds more underworld than heavenly.

My captcha word is Episcopal. (that could mean something to a superstitious few)

**Cardinal Timothy Dolan Allegedly Paid Suspected Pedophile Priests To Leave Ministry While Head Of Archdiocese Of Milwaukee**

The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests characterizes the payments as a payoff and bonuses to priests who molested children. The archdiocese disputes that characterization, saying the payments were in part to more quickly move those men out of the priesthood.

The group is calling on the archdiocese to release all records involving the payments and its handling of clergy sex abuse cases.

"You don't give a bonus to a man who rapes children," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel quoted SNAP Midwest director Peter Isely as saying Wednesday outside the federal courthouse in Milwaukee. "If they paid them anything it should have been for therapy and counseling."

According to the Journal Sentinel, the 2003 bankruptcy document appears to be the first public acknowledgement of a formal policy to pay trouble priests to leave.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/cardinal-timothy-dolan-archdiocese-milwaukee-payoff-abusive-priests_n_1559298.html?ref=religion

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Fraud & Racism @ the Top. My God, where are the spiritual leaders of today? They don't even pretend anymore. When "ministries" such as the National Right to Life Committee and Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition get unlimited funding from sources such as the Koch Bros as mentioned earlier, it breeds.............sin.

**Richard Land, Southern Baptist Leader, Reprimanded For Trayvon Martin Comments**

After an investigation, the board of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission on Friday reprimanded Land for the comments and the plagiarism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/richard-land-southern-baptist-leader-reprimanded-trayvon-martin-comments_n_1562672.html?ref=religion

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Austerity Agenda
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: May 31, 2012

So what happens if everyone simultaneously slashes spending in an attempt to pay down debt? The answer is that everyone’s income falls — my income falls because you’re spending less, and your income falls because I’m spending less. And, as our incomes plunge, our debt problem gets worse, not better.

This isn’t a new insight. The great American economist Irving Fisher explained it all the way back in 1933, summarizing what he called “debt deflation” with the pithy slogan “the more the debtors pay, the more they owe.” Recent events, above all the austerity death spiral in Europe, have dramatically illustrated the truth of Fisher’s insight.

And there’s a clear moral to this story: When the private sector is frantically trying to pay down debt, the public sector should do the opposite, spending when the private sector can’t or won’t. By all means, let’s balance our budget once the economy has recovered — but not now. The boom, not the slump, is the right time for austerity.

As I said, this isn’t a new insight. So why have so many politicians insisted on pursuing austerity in slump? And why won’t they change course even as experience confirms the lessons of theory and history?

Well, that’s where it gets interesting. For when you push “austerians” on the badness of their metaphor, they almost always retreat to assertions along the lines of: “But it’s essential that we shrink the size of the state.”

Now, these assertions often go along with claims that the economic crisis itself demonstrates the need to shrink government. But that’s manifestly not true. Look at the countries in Europe that have weathered the storm best, and near the top of the list you’ll find big-government nations like Sweden and Austria.

read more @

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/opinion/krugman-the-austerity-agenda.html?_r=1&src;=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nail-

you left out the most important observation in the article--

"So the austerity drive in Britain isn’t really about debt and deficits at all; it’s about using deficit panic as an excuse to dismantle social programs. And this is, of course, exactly the same thing that has been happening in America."

Now that the House passed a budget to cut more from social programs to offset the automatic cuts coming to the defense dept's budget, even fund unwanted programs for the DOD, they've proven to me cutting the deficit is just talk. That budget they passed further demonstrates, just as the author said, the deficit blather is just that, blather, and the House is bound and determined to stop the flow of tax money down the economic ladder. In their brand of socialism, wealth should only be redistributed upwards.

On kind of related note, now that cargo-hauling in space is going private, how many of the corporations are going to acknowledge that billions of R&D; dollars were provided via NASA by the taxpayers to get them going? Now low space tourism? Who's that for? It sure won't be for the vast majority that indirectly made it possible for them to turn a profit selling tickets.

mrd — June 2, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd- I guess I expect too many will click on the link. Thanks for pointing that out. Obama needs to get some different faces in his inner circle and Krugman would be a good one.

---

roger @ *Listing Thomas Sowell (one of the most brilliant political economists and conservative thinkers of the late 20th Century)*

I'm not trying to pick on you roger but...hard to let this one go. :)

I've read Sowell before in editorials and it was like somebody banging on a drum with no beat. You peaked my interest in this "brilliant" economist and "thinker" of the 20th century. (!!!)

My God man. After reading his comparisons of Obama & Adolph Hitler as well as his out of touch libertarian thinking to include to include all things vitriol...incredible you have never deemed yourself conservative.

I can see why the right wing heralds his writings. Black bloviating conservative intellects are almost non-existent. Find one who has a voracious non stop appetite for putting his words in print and doing interviews, one that compares Obama to Adolph Hitler and you have quite the prototype. Fortunately for society, this brand of blurring the lines, throwing scare balls and condemning anyone outside the radical libertarian belief system is an anomaly.

Reminds me of Allen West except a little more reserved and maintaining a higher intellect. But then again, when it comes to Allen West, most do.

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ7eus...

Good example of scare tactics from the right.

Elect Obama and the world could blow up.

Although he confesses he'll vote to put Sarah Palin in the Vice Presidents chair.

Obama 2012

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Why was the Bowers interview with Ann Romney removed? It was clean and informative. Then a screw up on the vids. Is this a glitch or just a poor execution of censorship?

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Must be a glitch on my end? Now it's cool. Strange things are happening in these, end times....

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

If you want to know something about Thomas Sowell, shut down all your ultra Liberal websites and take a stroll down to the library. Look for a few of Sowell's books - if you dare. I recommend:

A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles.

Civil Rights: Rhetoric or Reality.

And his book explaining Marx. (Name escapes me.)

Don't focus in on a couple of his recent controversial opinion pieces and decide that's what he's all about. That would be like narrowing LBJ down to his comment about little brown men after being told about the Gulf of Tonkin.

roger — June 2, 2012 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, and nails - not a problem with the picked on comment. I fully understand that you consider anyone to the right of Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and others of their ilk conservatives.

I don't agree with everything Sowell says. But his overall track record is such that I read his works.

roger — June 2, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I did spend the better part of an hour refreshing my memory and checking him out, and his name/reputation as some of his writes are not new to me. The vid I posted wasn't from a liberal site. I understand to a large degree where he's coming from. And if one agrees with Libertarian/Conservative philosophy, and can cast aside the ridiculous comparisons and partisan accusations he makes, I guess I can see the draw. I appreciate opinions that are well thought out, (as I might say yours are every once in awhile :)) even if they don't line up with mine. I used to enjoy Bill Buckley's writes (I used to have a dictionary at hand, Bill had a penchant for teaching me new words) and interviews and still do on occasion.

Thomas Sowell ain't no Bill Buckley.

Given the % of African Americans that swing Republican, and hard right Libertarian at that, there are far and few minorities on the right side of the aisle for Republicans to revere and act as a surrogate for their party philosophy.

Having said that, given Sowell's views concerning affirmative action...

Could it be ironic that he's iconic?

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The Sowell book that rarely gets mentioned is A Conflict of Visions. Yet it is probably his most clear exploration of his political philosopy.

Rather an Alice Through the Looking-Glass experience.

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


philosophy.....

mr_basil_seal — June 2, 2012 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i was wondering....

can someone who so viciously and obsessively creates post after post after post after post to attack the opinions that counter his...does he do it because he's unable to control himself, or, perhaps, is trying to reassure *himself* that he still believes.

DeeLittle — June 2, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


dee- I usually don't address someone who gets off on trolling, but for you...I'll make an exception. You try so hard with your... creative writing, I'll throw you a bone.

*i was wondering....

can someone who so viciously and obsessively creates post after post after post after post to attack the opinions that counter his...does he do it because he's unable to control himself, or, perhaps, is trying to reassure himself that he still believes.*

uh huh.

---

"Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?" Will he ask Obama to bail him out? :)

**Mitt Romney’s big green flop**

In its 11-year history, Konarka collected a total of $20 million in government research grants, along with $170 million in private capital. The company makes thin, flexible solar panels that its customers build into other products such as deck umbrellas, backpacks and portable chargers.

Konarka has fallen into the same bankruptcy shadow cast by Bay State clean-energy crashes Evergreen Solar and Beacon Power, both backed by controversial taxpayer subsidies.

Berke indicated in Konarka’s announcement that he hasn’t given up hope that a “rescue financing or acquisition” would materialize during the bankruptcy proceedings. He noted “worldwide interest in the company, including from the Chinese government” — whose subsidies for its solar industry prompted the Obama administration earlier this month to impose punishing tariffs.

http://www.bostonherald.com/jobfind/news/technology/view/20220602mitts_big_green_flop_lowell_solar_panel_co_he_backed_goes_under/srvc=home&position;=also

nailingit — June 2, 2012 at 10:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Chyenna Richards Sees Jesus In Bathroom Mold (VIDEO) (they are so blessed!)

The "holy mold" began growing a few months ago when Thomas George, who also lives in the house, was serving time in prison.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/chyenna-richards-sees-jesus-mold_n_1562593.html?ref=topbar

**Zombie Apocalypse!**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/cdc-denies-zombies-existence_n_1562141.html?ref=topbar

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/cannibals-in-the-news-fiv_n_1563482.html?ir=Weird+News&ref;=topbar

nailingit — June 3, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The bridge to no where..

When you can write your own check who needs to ask for money$$$ as in almost 70 billion..Where is he going to get all this money.. This "high speed" railway won't even be half as fast as first promissed nor will it reach it's said destination as was told and promissed to voters who took the Presidents word and passed the ref.. Now they hope to at least finish the first 100 miles before voter unrest does the project in. This coming from a state that is already broke, bankrupt and out of money, but our president uses our money to prop this project up. Why arn't you up in arms about this NAIL???
http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/cost-high-speed-rail-project-balloons-12325

vanwadreamer — June 3, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Your article is a bit dated. Check this recent write out. Hope it helps.

California High-Speed Rail Cost: Officials Say Expert Reports Indicate 'Wrong Numbers'
| Posted: 05/04/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/california-high-speed-rail-cost_n_1479588.html

nailingit — June 3, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 3, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

frobert — June 3, 2012 at 11:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fro- Pretty wild stuff. Could be a viral strain of some sort. Law enforcement are quick to point the finger at drug use. That's always suspect.

nailingit — June 3, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


John Laird- Great write today! Thanks for bringing a few examples to the table of just how far right we've gone as a country within the last couple of decades. Interesting to note, Fox News was launched in 1996.

nailingit — June 3, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — June 3, 2012 at 9:57 a.m

Too bad Walt Disney isn't around any longer, I think he could have done it reasonably.

hawkeye — June 3, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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