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A graphic is worth a thousand words and this one speaks volumes.

From The Stranger this morning. Counties in WA that tend to vote conservative get far more welfare tax dollars than do their blue cousins. Haul this out when Uncle George on Thanksgiving starts bellyaching about the liberal "takers." Better yet: ignore him and keep watching those football games and your gratefully full belly.

Doing my bit to dispel the myths and promote holiday family harmony for my basement friends:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/11/19/welfare-state

manthou — November 19, 2012 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

If you take a hard look at the map, one would see that the red areas are mainly farms, ranches, some logging, and military.

Blue areas are where the most jobs, and higher incomes are.

So yes, the blue areas pay more in taxes due to income and jobs.

That would be a given in any state.

ELISI — November 19, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hi, Elisi: Hope you are high and dry today. :) We were supposed to be driving to Seattle on I 5 and I am very glad that we are not.

I think the article was about amount of money each county received back from the federal government for every dollar given in taxes.

So, in Clark County, for example, for every dollar given to Uncle Sam, Clark County receives more than a dollar in return.

For every dollar King County gives to Uncle Sam, it receives less than a dollar back.

King County is quite blue. Clark County is more like pinkish. And you are right about where the jobs are, but the folks who need the handouts in the poorer states and counties might want to think twice before complaining about who is offering them the hand out. That is what the point of the article was, I think.

I think Chris Christie was rightfully talking about this formula when a reporter asked him whether he felt a little guilty taking handouts from the government for Hurricane Sandy. After he nearly bit off the reporter's head, he said something like, "Well, since New Jersey is one of those states that gives the federal government a whole lot more in taxes than it gets back in benefits (unlike a state like Alabama, for instance), I think it is OK to get something for my residents now." Or something to that effect.
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A CRC question for my downtown pals: that incessant pounding I am hearing: is that the boring of the earth to get samples? Anyone know? It is a little like Chinese water torture.

manthou — November 19, 2012 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks for the read manthou. How much more do highly populated areas need better bang for their buck as schools, roads, services etc. receive excessive wear & tear/depletion/demand.

Here's an article that addresses similar conditions nation wide.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/opinion/krugman-moochers-against-welfare.html

nailingit — November 19, 2012 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

I think it also varies from state to state, area to area.
I know of states that are predominately democratic that have higher rates of tax dollars going to the welfare program than any other program and state.

Also one has to consider that from those tax dollars not only welfare, food stamps, medicaid is paid but also farm subsidies, just to name a few..

Many are seasonal workers, without the farm subsidies our food prices would be so high none of us could afford to buy any.

My daughter has told me repeatedly how lucky we are down here in the lower 48 as far as prices and quality of food goes.

ELISI — November 19, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Also one has to consider that from those tax dollars not only welfare, food stamps, medicaid is paid but also farm subsidies, just to name a few.."

Not sure where I read it-credibile or not-but the vast majority of agriculture (farm) subsidies go to, wait for it, multi-nationals. Surprised? I'm not.

80 someodd percent goes to folks such as ADM ( Archer Daniels Midland?) and their ilk-but that's from my brother-in-law in Iowa, bless their pork. The "family farms" received about, on the average, $538/yr. Chicken chit.

So who do you think is really sucking up this federal-taxpayer money? The family farmer or the ADM's of th world?

mrd — November 19, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lets use the Billions in annual aid/taxpayer $$$ we provide Israel and invest it in American education and infrastructure. Apparently they have too much time & money to spare. Just like us.

**Turkey Labels Israel a 'Terrorist State'**

After another night of rocket attacks into Gaza by Israel, WSJ's Matt Bradley reports Saturday, November 17th, from the destroyed Hamas cabinet office and the Palestine Sports Club in the Gaza Strip. Via WSJ's #WorldStream.

ISTANBUL—Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of being a "terrorist state" on Monday and criticized world powers for supporting the weeklong bombardment of Gaza that has killed more some 115 people, signaling that the three-year-old rift between the countries is deepening.

International Crisis Group Arab-Israeli Project Director Rob Blecher joins the News Hub to discuss what all the fighting means for both sides of the Gaza-Israel conflict. Photo: AP Images.

Speaking in Istanbul shortly after returning from Cairo, where he held emergency talks on Gaza with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, Mr. Erdogan railed against what he called Western powers' failure to take concerted action to stop bloodshed in Syria. But harsher words were aimed at one-time ally Israel.

"Those who speak of Muslims and terror side by side are turning a blind eye when Muslims are massacred en masse," he told a gathering of the Eurasian Islamic Council. "Those who turn a blind eye to discrimination toward Muslims in their own countries, are also closing their eyes to the savage massacre of innocent children in Gaza. … Therefore, I say Israel is a terrorist state."

Read more @ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578128880612421650.html

nailingit — November 19, 2012 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Marijuana Advocates Find Champions In Congress**

After Washington and Colorado passed measures legalizing the recreational use of marijuana, members of Congress are asking that the federal government respect state laws.

Reps. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) were among the 18 members of Congress to sign a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Drug Enforcement Administrator Michele Leonhart on Friday requesting that states be permitted to function as “laboratories of democracy.” An excerpt from the letter:

*The people of Colorado and Washington have decided that marijuana ought to be regulated like alcohol, with strong and efficient regulation of production, retail sales and distribution, coupled with strict laws against underage use and driving while intoxicated. The voters chose to eliminate the illegal marijuana market controlled by cartels and criminals and recognized the disproportionate impact that marijuana has on minorities. These states have chosen to move from a drug policy that spends millions of dollars turning ordinary Americans into criminals toward one that will tightly regulate the use of marijuana while raising tax revenue to support cash-strapped state and local governments. We believe this approach embraces the goals of existing federal marijuana law: to stop international trafficking, deter domestic organized criminal organizations, stop violence associated with the drug trade and protect children.*

*While we recognize that other states have chosen a different path, and further understand that the federal government has an important role to play in protecting against interstate shipments of marijuana leaving Colorado and Washington, we ask that your departments take no action against anyone who acts in compliance with the laws of Colorado, Washington and any other states that choose to regulate marijuana for medicinal or personal use. The voters of these states chose, by a substantial margin, to forge a new and effective policy with respect to marijuana. The tide of public opinion is changing both at the ballot box and in state legislatures across the country. We believe that the collective judgment of voters and state lawmakers must be respected.*

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/marijuana-advocates-champions-congress_n_2160933.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — November 19, 2012 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHejPkNbePU

A much needed message to the Republican base.

nailingit — November 19, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's a matter of time till Becktonian conspiracies will avow Obama as a barefoot Buddhist spy born in China bent on America's destruction. The Muslim thing didn't catch on well enough. He still got elected.

**Obama visit to Myanmar mixes diplomacy and tourism**

*President Obama meets with leaders and Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, gives a speech and visits a pagoda with Hillary Rodham Clinton during his six-hour tour.*

YANGON, Myanmar — Barack Obama was riding in his motorcade, the first U.S. president to visit long-isolated Myanmar, when he suddenly ordered an unscheduled detour Monday.

The Secret Service scrambled. Police raced ahead to clear crowded roads. Tourists were chased away.

Soon Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton were barefoot in the muggy afternoon. They hiked up a long set of marble stairs and took in the 325-foot-tall Shwedagon Pagoda, which is covered with gilt leaf and topped by a jewel-encrusted spire. It is the oldest Buddhist pagoda in the world and the most revered site in this overwhelmingly Buddhist nation.

After consulting a guide, Obama walked over to a statue for those born on Fridays, which he was. Tradition calls for pouring a cup of water over the Buddha's shoulder once for each year of age, plus one, to douse the "human flames" of emotion that cause suffering. Obama is 51. "I'm going to do it 11 times," he announced. No one complained.

After finishing, Obama turned to reporters and explained, "I was dousing 11 flames." Known to some as Mr. Cool, he offered anger as an example. The guide named a few others, including lust and hatred.

So went a whirlwind day for a president who showed himself willing to set aside the bloodshed in the Middle East, the "fiscal cliff" back home and other crises to mix tourism with diplomacy for a few hours in a nation struggling to emerge from decades of oppressive military rule.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-obama-asia-20121120,0,5058960.story

nailingit — November 19, 2012 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 19, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.

Not sure of the intent for your post, but it sounds as though you've pegged Israel as the Bad Guys with the current Gaza strip fight. And while I'm not exactly a fan of the Israeli state, I can't agree. Hamas started this latest round, firing their rockets into Israeli settlements. It appears the rockets are coming mainly from Iran and are smuggled in from Egypt. And reports show that the Israelis are attempting to take out real targets, not just firing indiscriminately.

It's unfortunate there are children dying. But the local populace at a minimum tolerates the presence of Hamas and other groups who engage in attacks on the Israelis. And at some point this leads to a culpability on their part. Ask the German people about WWII and a sense of national guilt over the atrocities of the Nazis. And also about the heavy price they paid.

Reporters like Anderson Cooper are just fueling the problem and making it worse, in my opinion.

roger — November 20, 2012 at 5:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**ROGER**

if you put your rocket launchers next to schools or day-care centers, be prepared for children dying.

if you're hamas or al-quaeda, it a win-win situation.

after all, liberal news worldwide puts bleeding kids on the front page, regardless of the situation.

iconoclast — November 20, 2012 at 5:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**icon**

if the press would do it's "due diligence", we would be told that the terrorists are to blame for children/family deaths, not isreal.

the people who WANT the jews to be blamed are the ones who accuse isreal.

DON'T BE ANOTHER NAZI SUPPORTER. see the REALITY of what's happening.

DeeLittle — November 20, 2012 at 6:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- *Hamas started this latest round, firing their rockets into Israeli settlements*

Really? I thought it was because Israel assassinated a top Hamas leader.

We might not understand past events, but certainly we should understand current ones.

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Hope this helps. Citing nazi's & condemning Anderson Cooper? Reality check.

**Gaza: Assassinated Hamas Leader Ahmed Jabari ‘Was Canvassing’ Truce Agreement with Israel**

*Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari had just been given the draft of a truce agreement when he was assassinated in Israeli strike, claims peace activist*

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/405383/20121115/gaza-hamas-truce-israel-jabari.htm

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If anybody truly wants to know who's to blame with the activities in the Gaza region, you might as well start at the beginning of the conflict way, way back in time. This is just another publicized event with regards to the missile attack against the militant Hamas leader by Israel. Yeah, they may have ceasefires...but the problem continues. These people have not learned yet...how to get along with each other WITHOUT violence. I couldn't even fathom what any family is enduring in the battle-ridden region of the Middle East.

I'm in *total* agreement with Roger @5:29 am when he stated and I quote *"Reporters like Anderson Cooper are just fueling the problem and making it worse, in my opinion."* It makes for great sensationalizing propaganda, raises the popularity of certain reporters and does wonders for putting the blame on one group or the other but the fact of the matter is...placing the blame on this situation isn't the answer.

Finding a solution to the problem IS.

goldenoldie — November 20, 2012 at 7:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit @7:43 am...being handed a draft for a truce agreement and actually agreeing TO that draft are totally different perspectives well worth the attention of people like Anderson Cooper (even though I like his reporting, he's just feeding the fire in order to keep employed).

BTW, Anderson was lucky the other day when the bomb hit far enough away that he wasn't injured. Can you imagine what the news world would have done with that story if the Coop' was injured??? IMO, the blame would have begun with the person who decided to get a good shot of the violence but I'm sure they'd say differently.

goldenoldie — November 20, 2012 at 7:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This was reported on the 13th of Nov BEFORE Israel took out the Hamas leader..

Israel considers resuming targeted killings of Gaza militant leaders to stop rocket fire

http://www.newser.com/article/da2h5oao1/israel-considers-resuming-targeted-killings-of-gaza-militant-leaders-to-stop-rocket-fire.html

Here's one from Oct..

Israeli forces clash with Hamas, kill two gunmen in Gaza foray

http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-forces-clash-hamas-kill-two-gunmen-gaza-080824080.html

If people would stop listening to the main media and do a little research, they'd find that Israel is bombarded almost daily. Talk to someone that has lived in Israel, or visited, you'll get the truth. Stop blaming Israel for only protecting their people.

ELISI — November 20, 2012 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I have to pipe in here and say that I agree with roger and goldie about the Anderson Cooper sensational reporting. While it is fantastic that journalists are putting their own lives at risk (or seeming to) by being on-site to report, I notice a lot of reaction drama when the bombs explode in the distance.

It is OK to ask ourselves: how much of this is reacting for the camera and how much is real?

Keepin' them honest, Anderson. Keepin' them honest, that's all.

You know, there is a lot of talk in the UK about regulating the press over the Lord McAlpine scandal in the BBC (he was falsely accused of being a pedophile in the press: defamation at its ugliest). Can't work in the US, they tell us, as Free Speech is too important.

But, if the press won't self-regulate like they claim they do, the public trust is violated.

If I were to lie or even stretch the truth in any of the professional reports I used to write on behalf of children who are wards of the court, I would have risked losing my license.

What happens to journalists who withhold the truth to make their stories more sensational?

Off my soap box. Carry on....

manthou — November 20, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I haven't paid much attention to Cooper's reporting, but it does sound like it's detouring somewhat from what is actually happening in Gaza. Maybe we should listen a bit to our allies in the region and not be so dependent on an individual's reporting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/turkey-prime-minister-israel_n_2163911.html?ref=topbar

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou...you bring up excellent questions that I believe we'll never know the answer. Reactionary reporting sells...and causes assumptions by those who don't check into the report a bit further. As Elisi pointed out...people need to do a little research in order to gain the facts. Unless we're living what they're living, we haven't a clue as to what is fact and what is emotion in reporting.

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Yet another prime example of sensationalized reporting but with much less merit than the Gaza battle -

A certain brand of baked sweets no longer sold at the markets due to bankruptcy.

What is worse...

The reactions of people as shared by the news world who will no longer get their Zingers or Twinkies! You know...those prepackaged yummies(?) with a shelf life of 20 years or more???

Another one bites the dust (but our economy is getting better, according to the ...er... well...I guess you could call it the News(?).

As far as I'm concerned, Hostess is going to cripple the health care industry by going out of business, lol.

What truly sucks is the FACT that a sizable number of people are losing their jobs...and (emotional thought) what a rotten time of year for that to happen to all those families!!!

goldenoldie — November 20, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Somewhat of an outline with current events.

**The Israel-Hamas Conflict, Explained**

*What you need to know about the escalating violence.*

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/latest-israel-hamas-conflict-explained#update1

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This Anderson Cooper thing. If I'm understanding correctly, (and that's a crapshoot:) is this the drama you guys are talking about? And are some of you insinuating the reaction was staged? I'd like to see some of you react! :)) I doubt if one ever gets used to powerful munitions exploding closely behind them. Yes, even the mighty manly Anderson! :))

There must be more I haven't seen. Someone please post other events to bring understanding. Thanks.

**Anderson Cooper keeps calm, carries on as bomb explodes behind him** **[VIDEO]**

Anderson Cooper is hard core. Yes, we've seen him report from war-torn countries before, dive with sharks and even fight with Star Jones, but Sunday night was further proof of his composure under fire — literally. Cooper was live on location in Gaza City last night, giving an update on the latest casualties when a bomb exploded close enough that he ducked for cover. (Some YouTube commenters have estimated that it was just a quarter mile away.) "That was a rather large explosion," Cooper said calmly. Meanwhile, we just spent 20 minutes cowering under our desks after watching it online.

http://now.msn.com/anderson-cooper-keeps-his-composure-as-bomb-explodes-behind-him

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: A judge yesterday ruled that Hostess and its bakers union should mediate before this company is allowed to liquidate. Soooooo, the Twinkie drama continues. For the sake of the workers, let's hope they can continue to operate. For the sake of all those healthy Americans hooked on this nutritious sponge cake confection, let's hope it can continue to fuel their passion. Ugh.

Here is a bridge drama unfolding North of us we all should note: the 520 floating bridge is unsafe? Was a whistle blower inspector laid off to muzzle him? Is the contractor a bully to WSDOT? Wish the Seattle PI were still in print to give the Times some competition:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Former-inspector-New-520-Bridge-a-disaster-4053243.php

manthou — November 20, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit: I think Anderson Cooper is an honest journalist, I really do, for the most part. What makes me cautious is the behavior of a few unethical ones.

What is the saying, "Once burned, twice shy?"

When he ducks and dodges, I wonder: is it for my benefit?

Does he play up the drama sometimes? Show off his biceps when he could be more discrete about his muscled bod? Flaunt his watchdog persona when he could do it without such shameless self-promotion? I think so. He has almost become his own self-satire. But that is my opinion. And I respect your side of it.

Shoddy journalism is making many of us cynical.

manthou — November 20, 2012 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou-I don't follow Anderson Cooper very much. I'd like to think he is an honest broker in reporting the news. Maybe he's not, but if his reaction to this explosion is indicative of current criticism I don't get it.

I'm more concerned with American attitudes that support Israeli aggression without blinking an eye. I understand the religious right duping themselves with blind support as their belief system dictates they should always be supportive of Israel.

Here is an interesting write on FB I thought you might find interesting.

An excerpt...

Israel constructs impenetrable walls, caging peaceful Arab citizens into what amounts to prison camps, and maintains the largest domestic military presence on the face of the earth for the sole purpose or insuring that certain citizens of "their" nation, be kept separate from "god's chosen people." If you want an example testifying that this is how most advocates of Israeli apartheid think today, go to any pro-Israeli blog on the internet, and peruse the reader comments the last couple of days. The exclusionary nature of nearly every comment is staggering in its intolerance.

And it's not just on the internet. A third of Israelis believe that their Arab citizens should be denied the right to vote, while almost half (47%) would like to see them stripped of their citizenship rights and placed under Palestinian Authority control, according to Israel's liberal Haaretz newspaper. 59% would like to see Jews given preference for public-sector jobs, while half would like to see Jews better treated than Arabs.

Even amongst Isreal's Jewish population, the existence of and PREFERENCE FOR apartheid is freely acknowledged: 39% believe there is a ‘slight’ form of apartheid in Israel, while 19% admit that there is ‘heavy’ apartheid. 74% want separate roads for Jews and Arabs in the West Bank. 69% are in favor of denying 2.5 million Palestinians the right to vote if West Bank territories are annexed. 42% would like to see separate housing and classrooms for Jews and Arabs.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews demonstrate even more discriminatory attitudes, with 82% saying Jews should be given preferential treatment over Arabs. Secular responders generally expressed more pluralistic views.

The findings "reflect the widespread notion that Israel, as a Jewish State, should be a state that favors Jews" echoing America's deep South of 50 or 60 years ago, The hardline nature of these opinions suggest that racism and discrimination is far more entrenched amongst Israeli Jews than thought even a decade ago.

http://www.facebook.com/RealTruthNow/posts/132799073538602

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- btw I respect your views also. Very much so.

As for Anderson becoming self-satire, how could he avoid it! :)))))

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Not to change the subject but...

Has anyone utilized any of the pot vendors who do home delivery? I have a regular provider but was thinking about hitting one of these services up for a little variety.

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 10:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: I will admit that I need to examine the Israel/Gaza conflict without emotion. It is difficult to see civilians from both sides being injured and killed and I am avoiding the subject to reduce the pain it causes me. I do think the US needs to evaluate any unquestioning, blanket acceptance of Israel's policies, for sure. Black and white thinking is rarely correct. There is always a little truth in both sides.

manthou — November 20, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I've been self sustaining for over five years now, nail. I didn't even know those outfits existed until a few months ago.

I've kicked strains to the curb because they've done absolutely nothing for spasm. If a strain won't work synergistically with vicodin they get tossed, too.

I *think* I'm coming to an end of a four year breeding program - an effort to provide myself with just the right medicine.

Too bad you can't do your own thing. I find the gardening quite therapeutic.

Not to poo-poo the "delivery boys," but I find it rather astonishing they can operate somewhat openly when The City would pass ordinances to (basically) prohibit patients from assisting one another.

Nope, never used 'em, man.

Drift — November 20, 2012 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks for your input Drift. The last of my brood is graduating this school year. I might start doing my own thing then.

I didn't know pot deliverers operated until recently as well. I have wondered about the legality of it. The prices seem reasonable and ballpark with what I'm used to. I'm wondering when dispensaries will start opening up and prices will start dropping.

I use vicodin also and find a targeted pain strain much more beneficial than vicodin provides.

I also very much enjoy a strong cranial experience! :)) Here's the site I've been looking at. I don't suppose I could call local LE and get good info as to legalities.

All these years of living with society's discriminatory practices against pot users, I'm a little paranoid about buying product this way. Things are a changing but still...

http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_jreviews&Itemid;=117&url;=N-San-Fernando-ValleyTujunga-Dispensaries/california-dispensaries/vancouver-washington-marijuana-dispensaries_c304_m117/

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't believe everything the international press tells you about the poor people of Gaza.

First, they are there because it was created as a refugee zone by the neighboring states when Israel was created from Palestine. They didn't want the Palestinians and wouldn't take them in; it suited local purposes to keep them in a state of limbo.

Next, their standard of living is a bit higher than those around them. Egypt's countryside in that area, for example, is definitely Third World. Watch the CNN News stories with Anderson Cooper and others, but look at the surroundings. Modern cars. Apartments with nice window decorations. People all nicely dressed. And even with reports of widespread malnutrition due to embargoes, the men in the scenes look surprisingly healthy - meaning VERY well fed.

At least the Syrian and Libyan rebels have/had the sense to man the stage with people who looked like they've gone through hard times. When I see shots from Gaza, it gives me the idea the Israelis know their Julius Caesar: "Let me have men about me that are fat, sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights. Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look, he thinks too much; such men are dangerous."

roger — November 20, 2012 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Yes, a virtual paradise.

From the FAO

The erosion of livelihoods leaves families unable to afford sufficient and nutritionally diverse food products. It has forced the poorest to adopt negative coping strategies, such as distress selling of productive assets and forgoing vital expenses, such as health and education, which increase their vulnerability. It is a vicious cycle, deepening poverty and diminishing self-sufficiency. Families employed in the agriculture sector face significantly higher than average levels of food insecurity: 32 versus 22 percent in the West Bank, and 75 versus 52 percent in the Gaza Strip. The average food-insecure household spends between 48 and 60 percent of its income on food.

Four continuous years of water scarcity and poor rainfall distribution in many areas (especially in the Gaza Strip, Hebron and Tubas) have further threatened livelihoods. Rains during the 2010/11 season were 28 percent lower than the historical average, and reached as low as 50 percent in many areas. Insufficient rains between September and November 2010 caused major losses in cereal production in 2011, including rainfed crops such as wheat and barley.

Women are among the groups disproportionately affected by the ongoing crisis and experience high unemployment rates (29 percent in the West Bank and 44 percent in the Gaza Strip). They play a key role in agricultural activities (from crop cultivation to livestock production and fish farming) and must often make sacrifices, such as skipping meals and selling personal assets, to keep their families nourished.

http://www.fao.org/emergencies/appeals-and-funding/appeals/consolidated-appeals-2012/westbankandgazastrip2012/en/

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"All these years of living with society's discriminatory practices against pot users, I'm a little paranoid about buying product this way. Things are a changing but still..."

There are three legal ways for a "patient" to obtain cannabis in this state; grow it, have someone grow it for you (and you only) and be a member of a collective. The City is in the process of banning collectives, so that only leaves two out of the three.

As an end user I wouldn't worry about the legality of the delivery services. Should Mr. Cooke decide to serve warrants it aint gonna be to *your* address. ;^)

Drift — November 20, 2012 at 1:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou/luvit & others who enjoy stats, check this out! Very interesting...

**Tell Me a State’s Fertility Rate, and I’ll Tell You How It Voted**

Grumbling GOP commentators and reveling feminists finally agree on something: This was the year when single ladies helped to deck the White House in blue. But another, even more powerful feminine factor was at play in this election, as it has been in races past: Almost invisibly over the past decade, family size in America has emerged as our deepest political dividing line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2012/11/states-conservative-as-their-women-are-fertile.html

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: You are a learned man, to be sure. Shakespeare, no less. If I can sit in front of the TV long enough (maybe watching CNNI), I will observe the surroundings more to see what you mean.

More on the media: While I support Rush and others' first amendment rights to express their opinions, it might be a good time for folks on the right side of the spectrum to start calling them out on their abuses to even out the noise and to let the world know that conservatives don't always follow that verbal garbage he disgorges daily on air. Rush's critics should not always be coming from the left, as encouraged in this short, but very wise opinion piece:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/19/gop-strategist-time-to-talk-back-to-rush.html

manthou — November 20, 2012 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If Hamas continues to fire rockets into Israel, a much superior military power, what the hell do they expect? How long would Americans tolerate al Qaeda lobbing missiles into an American city? After the first strike, justified or not to whomever, a response would be demanded. So it goes with Israel, with an invasion supported almost 100% by those in the south and west.

Also, how many years and deaths does it take for Hamas to figure out that isn't going to get Israel to the bargaining table? If Hamas purposely stations launchers in residential neighborhoods, near hospitals and schools, and then has the nerve to use corpses of women and children as evidence of Israel's brutatlity? Gimme a break.

I don't have a problem with the Palestinian's demands at all, but Hamas' approach is ridiculous, self-defeating, and obviously driven by hate alone, a poor recipe for success.

mrd — November 20, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgf-fd...

I don't have a dog in this fight so to speak. I'm not Jewish, Palestinian, Arab or Muslim. I don't condone violence on either side. But numbers mean something. Hamas using human shields? Maybe, then again maybe not.

I heard the Israeli ambassador to US declare today that literally "thousands of missiles" have been fired from Gaza in this latest conflict. Understanding the "Dome" takes out about a third, I wonder what kind of missiles Palestinians are using.

My guess is the ambassador is up to his eyeballs just like their war mongering cowboy leader Yahoo. He reminds me of Dubya except he's a bit more articulate.

Maybe both sides should use Gaza weaponry. It sure would reduce casualties.

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Palestinian Death Toll In Israel-Gaza Conflict Reaches 100: Health Ministry**

GAZA, Nov 19 (Reuters) - The number of Palestinians killed in Gaza during Israel's on-going offensive reached 100 on Monday, the Hamas-run Health Ministry said.

On his Facebook page, ministry spokesman Ashraf Al-Qidra listed Mohammed Tbail, killed in an air strike in Nusseirat refugee camp, as the 100th Palestinian fatality.

Qidra said the Palestinian dead included 24 children and 10 women. Ministry figures for the number of men killed in the conflict with Israel make no distinction between civilians and militants.

According to the ministry, 850 people have been wounded in Gaza since the hostilities began on Wednesday. They included 260 children and 140 women.

Israel puts its death toll since Wednesday at three civilians - two men and a woman killed by a rocket fired from Gaza. Police said more than 60 people have been wounded.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/palestinian-death-toll-israel-gaza-conflict-2012_n_2159085.html

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 4:35- It's interesting to watch some of these RW political hacks denounce Limbaugh & others after embracing them for years. Do you sense a little insincerity? :)

The Right is still not getting it, and if they are they're not saying.

I've heard many on the right say they are not being "delicate" enough. They are alienating voters with their hardline rhetoric and they need to be kinder and gentler when they speak to the electorate.

It must be "superior" thinking on the right to reach this conclusion.

Hispanics, women, young adults, African-Americans, minorities etc, aren't stupid.

*It's about policy.*

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 5:35 p.m. "I wonder what kind of missiles Palestinians are using."

Hamas has been firing their own rather primitive Qassam rocket at Israeli settlements, both in Gaza and in Israel, since about 2002. They're inaccurate (kind of like a smaller version of the SCUD Iraq was firing), but they still pack a punch. They've been firing thousands a year, escalating since calling off a truce in 2008. There have been several Israeli casualties.

But in this latest attack, they've suddenly started using a much more sophisticated Iranian rocket, the Fajr-5. These are being sent from Iran to the Sudan, and then smuggled into Gaza through Egypt's Sanai peninsula. They're a much more accurate missile with a range that would allow Hamas to start firing on Tel Aviv.

As mrd notes - We wouldn't tolerate this, and Israel shouldn't have to either. It's too bad Hamas finds it necessary to hide among the civilian populace and expose them to danger, but their hatred of Israel makes everyone expendable in their eyes.

Oh - A link from a professional organization who knows what they're talking about. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hamas-qassam.htm

roger — November 20, 2012 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*But in this latest attack, they've suddenly started using a much more sophisticated Iranian rocket,*

Thousands fired...3 dead.

Then I wish we all used them as a primary weapon. Fewer casualty's. Throwing claw hammers at them would be more effective as well as cost beneficial.

*We wouldn't tolerate this, and Israel shouldn't have to either.*

Nor would we tolerate having US leaders assassinated within our borders among other things.

*Don't believe everything the international press tells you about the poor people of Gaza.*

Then who should we source, the Arkansas Gazette? Humor intended. I cited UN stats earlier. Who do you source?

*but look at the surroundings. Modern cars. Apartments with nice window decorations. People all nicely dressed. And even with reports of widespread malnutrition due to embargoes, the men in the scenes look surprisingly healthy - meaning VERY well fed.*

Honestly, I'm at a loss for words! (I know, hallelujah!)

Sounds like a good location for republicans to secede to. At least make it a prime RW vacation spot and hold the 2016 RNC there. Please indulge me and source your assertion about Gaza economy "Next, their standard of living is a bit higher than those around them."

I think it's really neat some of them can afford decorations in their apartment windows. (The nerve!! By God they better be hand made!) What else could they possibly want?

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 8:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I really don't know what everybody is concerned about. People dropping bombs on other people, people retaliating. Come 21/21/2012 it's all going away anyway. Right? Isn't it? I mean, if it isn't, I'm going to actually turn 61 this Christmas.

Please, everyone, I think it's all caacaa but feel free to weigh in on this one.

hawkeye — November 20, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I'm going to actually turn 61 this Christmas.*

Jesus? It can't be.....

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal



OK. Like it or not, my two cents.

Back in the '40s, the Hebrews rose up and took over the country that was known as Palestine, and established the nation of Israel. The Arab residents, not extremely pleased with the turn of events, chose to stay. Many have since taken to fighting against Israel.

Israel, after many years, agreed to set aside some territory for the Palestinian people to occupy, and even self govern, but still remain a part of Israel. For some (read Hamas) this isn't good enough, even though their leaders accepted the agreement, so they continue the violence.

If the violence is continuing from these areas, Israel has a right to respond in kind. To determine the root cause of this conflict, we would have to go back centuries.

Personal opinion: This isn't going to end at the table with peace talks. They have been there how many times? How many agreements? The violence continues. It will not end until either the Hebrews, or the Arabs, are completely removed from the lands with the borders of Israel.

The question that remains: How will they be removed?

danabwoodley — November 21, 2012 at 4:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Shoddy journalism is making many of us cynical.

manthou — November 20, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.

Oh BOY do I agree with that comment!!!

What's even worse is when you contact the local journalists with regards to a newsworthy police situation in Clark County that another news entity has already covered for over an hour...even with the news copter rattling windows of homes...and the one news entity you've trusted for decades appears to be snoozing at the wheel so to speak! Yeah...shoddy journalism is definitely making ME cynical!

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Nailingit - November 20, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.

Staging a report??? Not so much staging a report but staging a scenario which would leave people jumping to conclusions if they didn't know the entire story. I still find it difficult that news entities allow reporters on the front lines for that perfect video shot of the violence, putting their own lives at risk (probably with one heckuva life insurance policy for their loved ones)...reporting at ground zero of the injuries and death and the anger and frustration of those immediately in the picture...other than if it's to be a selling point for that news reporting agency (or whatever else you'd want to call it) as well as to get their own spin of what is happening...like in the Gaza region for one example.

goldenoldie — November 21, 2012 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — November 21, 2012 at 4:51 a.m.

Dana, I don't think they'll ever find a solution to the Middle East Crisis. The concept of "Peace" apparently isn't in their vocabulary and if it is...they definitely have differing views on how to achieve that peace.

It is believed by some in the religious world that when the Middle East becomes peaceful, it will be the calm before the storm with regards to the coming of the AntiChrist.

goldenoldie — November 21, 2012 at 6:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


from a Hamas spokesman. comments on a bus bombing yesterday in Tel Aviv:

"Hamas blesses the attack in Tel Aviv and sees it as a natural response to the Israeli massacres...in Gaza," he told Reuters. "Palestinian factions will resort to all means in order to protect our Palestinian civilians in the absence of a world effort to stop the Israeli aggression."

Someone explain to me the logic of basically asking for a retaliatory strike in the name of protecting your civilians? Sounds beyond way stupid to me. In a tit for tat war, one side's agression is the other side's retaliation. And so it goes on and on and on......

Seems as though the tit for tat fighting is prefered in this region, especially among the Arab states. That way neither side is totally vanquished, and can continue on and on.

mrd — November 21, 2012 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Joe Scarborough has apologized for making fun of Nate Silver on the air! Whoo too! Let's have more of this, please, media talking heads.

Defenses break down slowly. I think the publicity this election gave to Silver and other geeky numbers guys/gals has helped open a few brains to the possibility that we, the public, should turn off the noise and become better educated as to what is real news and what is news-as-entertainment.

The Scarborough apology:

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/21/joe_scarborough_to_nate_silver_im_sorry/

manthou — November 21, 2012 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Jesus? It can't be.....

nailingit — November 20, 2012 at 9:15 p.m

YES IT CAN!!! And what does my landscaper have to do with it?

hawkeye — November 21, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 10:49- *And what does my landscaper have to do with it?*

Now *that's* funny! :))) Thanks for the laugh hawkeye. Sorely needed today.

nailingit — November 21, 2012 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd- Apparently another ceasefire is in place with both sides claiming a victory of sorts.

If people realized there is no true victory when waging war, maybe we'd have fewer of them.

nailingit — November 21, 2012 at 12:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Israel-Gaza Poll: American Opinion Divided On Conflict**

Israel and Hamas announced a cease-fire Wednesday after a week of intensified violence. But the cease-fire may do little to quell the conflict's partisan dimensions in the U.S., where attitudes divide sharply along age and party lines, a HuffPost/YouGov poll finds. Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by a 27-point margin, but while Republicans and those over 65 are steadfastly supportive of Israel, others are less inclined to take a side.

The online poll, conducted Tuesday and Wednesday before the announcement, found deeply divided opinions and little certainty about Israel's recent military action in Gaza, with 40 percent supporting it, 23 percent opposing it and 37 percent not sure. Reactions were similarly split to the possibility of an Israeli ground invasion into Gaza, with Americans about equally likely to back the idea, oppose it or have no opinion.

More broadly, 36 percent of Americans said they sympathize more with Israel and 9 percent more with the Palestinians -- roughly the same as in an Economist/YouGov poll from March, when Israeli worries about a nuclear-armed Iran made headlines. Another 13 percent said they sympathized with both sides, while 24 percent said neither side and 18 percent were unsure.

Two-thirds of Republicans said they sympathized with Israel, and just 2 percent with the Palestinians. Democrats, by contrast, were equally inclined to support Israel, both sides or neither, and only slightly less likely to sympathize mainly with the Palestinians.

Americans over 65 were also firmly in Israel's camp, while those under 30 were most likely to express no opinion or sympathy for either group.

Americans who stood behind either side were likely to suspect the president disagreed with them. A majority of Israel's supporters said President Obama sympathized with the Palestinians, while a plurality of Palestinian supporters said he backed Israel. Half of Republicans thought Obama was closer to the Palestinian side, compared to 4 percent of Democrats and 21 percent of independents.

Overall, an identical 22 percent of Americans said that Obama sympathized more with Israel, or more with the Palestinians.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/israel-gaza-poll_n_2171086.html

nailingit — November 21, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

I read your Huff Post poll link - was initially going to comment along the lines that it carries no more weight than a Fox poll. But they actually listed their methodology, and it seemed a pretty legit attempt to gain a good cross section. So then I read the findings. You've noted my favorite part - no one who takes sides thinks The Pres is on their side. Just possibly that shows impartiality?

However, that news conference with the US and Israeli flags in the background probably didn't make too many Palestinian supporters happy. And both Pres and Hill emphasized the same point - if things get ugly, we're backing Israel.

roger — November 21, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy Thanksgiving to all! I am grateful for a number of things, first and foremost: I am still breathing, therefore alive.

I am also thankful that I don' believe in Mayan Doomsday talk and therefore think I will still be here after December, all things being equal. Meaning I can also wish Hawk a Happy 61st in December!

I am, of course, extremely grateful the election went the way I wanted it to. Which brings me to my last gratefulness of the evening: we haven't quite killed each other yet in the basement with all the political differences and the anger often exhibited down here.

Have a good one, everybody! Enjoy the turkey or the tofurkey and try not to overindulge!

luvithere — November 21, 2012 at 6:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I just posted a comment to the BPA I5 Corridor project site. The Better Way BPA group is irate; BPA picked the central option, which skirts Battleground proper and heads down through Hockinson. I'd feel more sympathetic to that group's viewpoint if it wasn't for the tack they've taken with this all along. Rather than joining the other groups and fighting to push the route over to the forest, they always took the position that BPA should use the right-of-way where the present lines are. Their argument was that it doesn't matter that 10 times as many homes would be directly affected along that route; the people who bought those homes should have known better than buy near this right-of-way. OK - well it looks like the 5-acre minimum lot size crowd took it in the shorts, and the retirees and moderate income people that predominate the areas along the current right-of-way got the nod for once.

But - now that I've gotten that out of my system - I'm still really bothered by something. Looking at the BPA project, the primary need for these new lines doesn't lie in Southwest Washington; the main beneficiaries will be Oregon and California. Oregon especially - PPL is overtaxed (old facilities and a growing demand that overtaxes them), and the need will continue to escalate as development continues down through Tualatin toward McMinnville and eventually beyond. I've seen real estate crowd predictions that this will be where the greatest residential growth will occur over the next 20-30 years.

So, my question is why it's considered OK for us here in Southwest Washington to have to sacrifice our quality of life, property values, etc, for the benefit of Oregon, but the opposite doesn't hold when they don't want more bridges across the Columbia? Why are our leaders contually acceding to Oregon's demands instead of using this leverage and playing hard ball with them? You want electricity? Then we get bridges.

roger — November 21, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes - Happy Thanksgiving to all our Basement crowd! And sorry, Luvithere; I fully intend to overindulge - but NO to tofuturkey.

Something says we'll still all be here after Dec 21. Not to be too trusting, but I figure people of Mayan descent will have a better grasp of what their ancestors were thinking than others. So when I read this article acouple of weeks ago - well - decide for yourselves. http://news.discovery.com/human/mayans-pissed-off-about-doomsday-diceit-121026.html

On the other hand, if I catch wind of Nails riding a white horse down the road, I'm heading for the hills!!!

Just kidding.

roger — November 21, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Grover Norquist and his anti-tax pledge appear to have a problem: Not only are leading Republicans paying lip service to the need for more tax revenue, but after this month's election, neither chamber of Congress will have a majority of members who support it. But Grover says he's not breaking a sweat:

Mr. Norquist contends that every few years, several noisy Republicans say their support is squishy. Yet every time, he says proudly, the outcome is the same.
“It’s been 22 years since a Republican voted for a tax increase in this town,” he said in a recent interview. “This is not my first rodeo.”

This might not be Grover Norquist's first rodeo, but this is certainly a rodeo in which he's completely irrelevant. In fact, he's so irrelevant that not only could taxes could go up, they could go up with the cooperation of a majority of Republicans—and not a single one of them would need to violate his pledge.
The reason for that is simple: If Congress does nothing, taxes go up at the end of the year. Unless Senate Democrats suddenly cave and agree to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and President Obama agrees to sign such an extension or a last-minute tax reform package miraculously materializes, starting on Jan. 1, 2013, Bush's tax cuts on income above $250,000 will vanish.

That means the real question for House Republicans is what they will do with the middle-class tax cuts they've been keeping hostage for years now. If they do nothing, tax rates go up for everybody on Jan. 1, 2013. If they pass the Senate's legislation extending middle-class tax cuts, then the only taxes that will be going up will be on income over $250,000.

The point is that taxes are going up under current law. Republicans don't have to vote for tax hikes because the tax hikes are baked into current law. If Republicans pass the Senate legislation, it will effectively settle the issue of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy because those tax cuts will finally be decoupled from the middle-class tax cuts. The hostage crisis will be over. But they won't actually be voting to raise taxes, which means they won't be violating Grover Norquist's pledge. And if that happens, we can all stop talking about Grover Norquist's power. Because if Republicans can let taxes go up without breaking his pledge, the best word to describe Norquist will be this: irrelevant.

hawkeye — November 21, 2012 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You know how sometimes when you get rocked, you get rocked. Then there's times when you get rocked, you really....get...rocked.....

I'm thankful for that.

nailingit — November 21, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm thankful for my Wife, she keeps me in line.

I'm thankful for all of you here, you blur the line.

I'm thankful for my glasses, to help me see the line.

And I'm thankful for Kitty Carlisle who was on "What's My Line".

hawkeye — November 21, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I feel I've being remiss, who can forget----

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7K4jH...

hawkeye — November 21, 2012 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Have a very Happy Thanksgiving and remember to say a little prayer for our Armed Forces, past, present, and future.

And for goodness sakes drive safe and sane to and from your destination!!! Please don't become a statistic.

JohnCasey — November 22, 2012 at 3:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

luvithere I am with you, I am very thankful to be alive and breathing!

Thankful for family and friends none better!
Thankful for our men and women in our Armed Forces, that keep us safe from foreign enemies. Thankful for our police forces and firemen/women for keeping us safe here at home.
So much more I am thankful for, but I'll leave it at that..

ELISI — November 22, 2012 at 6:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrksaQ...

roger @ 7:16

Pack a lunch!

nailingit — November 22, 2012 at 7:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I just love this little Forum community! Hooray for the First Amendment and for The Columbian that gives us a home base(ment) to exercise it.

Enjoy a relaxing day with your logical (by choice) or biological (by blood) families and friends, all!

manthou — November 22, 2012 at 7:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

Quite right; we can't forget to thank Editor Lou and others at The Columbian. (And as much abuse as he takes when he does remember to "drop in", I'm surprised we're still here.)

roger — November 22, 2012 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My best wishes go out to the paper carriers.

I'd suggest this afternoon you alternate between heat and cold. If you have access to a spa, use it tomorrow and try some stretching excercises when you get out.

2.2 pounds doesn't sound like a lot of weight (today's paper. yes I put it on a scale), but when you multiply that by hundreds... and it was 35 F out there this morning.

Drift — November 22, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBAwv4...

A holiday offering in the spirit of bi-partisanship.

Songwriters: ALVIN LEE

Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, monopoly

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Them and us, stop the war

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

nailingit — November 22, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL MY BASEMENT NEIGHBORS**

i'm thankful we're still able to post freely (if you eliminate the fb side) to one another, and, to have enough news and blog places to access, that we can ferret out the truth of what's happening in our world.

i'm grateful to those of us who have evolved into active and vocal participants. those who continue the traditions of freedom that keep our country alive.

i'm thankful to God. He has given us a chance to see how bad things have *really* gotten, and just how close we are to losing the constitual freedoms the founding fathers created for us.

i'm thankful that general war has not yet broken out, and, like england before the invasion of poland, we have the chance to act in time.

may everyone have today the joy of abundence and being surrounded by loving people.

DeeLittle — November 22, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


We're cooking the bird/stuffing/potatoes and heading over to my daughters house early this evening for a full dinner. Smelling the goods while watching football/Godfather flicks & not being able to eat is torture!

Happy Thanksgiving. I asked myself this morning *who* we should give thanks to. (I know, I'm a liberal, I think about this kind of crap:) This afternoon I found myself thanking my Mom (via phone) for all her years of cooking fantastic holiday dinners.

I guess that's a start.

I echo manthou & roger in thanking the C for a forum. Who knows, maybe someday basement dwellers will co-exist with Face Book users and express opinion equally.

To all the best of Holidays.

nailingit — November 22, 2012 at 3 p.m. ( | suggest removal


An article from the March 1992 Atlantic magazine. Seems like the writer (a Rutgers Poli Sci professor) made some good predictions (and for Asimov fans, reminiscent of Hari Seldon).

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1992/03/jihad-vs-mcworld/303882/

"The market imperative has also reinforced the quest for international peace and stability, requisites of an efficient international economy. Markets are enemies of parochialism, isolation, fractiousness, war. Market psychology attenuates the psychology of ideological and religious cleavages and assumes a concord among producers and consumers—categories that ill fit narrowly conceived national or religious cultures."

"As a result, like the new forms of hypernationalism, the new expressions of religious fundamentalism are fractious and pulverizing, never integrating. This is religion as the Crusaders knew it: a battle to the death for souls that if not saved will be forever lost."

"McWorld does manage to look pretty seductive in a world obsessed with Jihad. It delivers peace, prosperity, and relative unity—if at the cost of independence, community, and identity (which is generally based on difference). The primary political values required by the global market are order and tranquility, and freedom—as in the phrases "free trade," "free press," and "free love." Human rights are needed to a degree, but not citizenship or participation—and no more social justice and equality than are necessary to promote efficient economic production and consumption."

Dr. Barber wrote another book that I read while in school in the early '70s, "Superman and Common Men: Freedom, Anarchy and the Revolution." A quote that stuck with me over the years -- "The real struggle is in fact not for but against the minds of men. Persuasion as a form of coercion represents an assault on consciousness and intentionality."

Reading stuff like this is why I've grown up distrustful of all political philosophies. Further, it's a reason I like Wash State - with the almost balancing conflict between Liberalism and Conservatism demonstrated in party politics, it seems (to me) that the people have an intuitive grasp of what Dr. Barber says - neither Party will be allowed to get too much power before we yank the chain and bring them back under control.

roger — November 23, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh - I lost track when I diverted to the earlier writing - This is why I find the whole argument about China being the enemy to be ridiculous. What I fear more is that the corporate/business entities of the USA, the Euro Common Market, Russia and a Chinese/Korean coalition will control the world governments - with the blessing of the people. Because they require a degree of peace and stability to prosper, they would bring a lot of the strife under control. But individual freedom will go by the wayside.

And it's why I'm unhappy with both political parties. The Repubs may favor Corporate America, but the Dems are pushing us a whole lot faster toward the internationalist mindset that will tear down the nationalism of the neoCons and make us more susceptible to accepting this control.

roger — November 23, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Damn the torpedo's! Someone's turning 70 in a few days. Jimi continues to cut quality recordings 42 years after being laid to rest. Capitalism don's a nice face.

New Jimi Hendrix Album To Debut On March 5, 2013

LOS ANGELES — A new Jimi Hendrix album is coming March 5.

The musician's website says "People, Hell and Angels" contains 12 previously unreleased tracks recorded in 1968 and '69.

Rolling Stone revealed the album cover on its website Wednesday.

Hendrix recorded the songs apart from the Jimi Hendrix Experience as he considered new, experimental directions for his follow-up to "Electric Ladyland." He plays keyboards, percussion and a second guitar on the album.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/new-jimi-hendrix-album_n_2172981.html

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Nails - Maybe we'll get lucky with this new, post-Experience release, but I'll wait and listen before I run out to buy. I've bought most of what the Hendricks family has released in recent years, and have usually been disappointed. If he did this to follow Electric Ladyland, as the article says, I suspect we're in for some meandering jazz blues music along the lines of Rainy Day, Dream Away - and I suspect he shelved it because he wasn't satisfied with the result, and moved on to his Band of Gypsys phase instead. But we can hope!

And those guys at CAPTCHA are out of control. I'll refresh 3 or 4 times until I get something I know I can read correctly. And they still call me wrong!!

roger — November 23, 2012 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Remember when David Madore tried to hawk the FastNav system to schools? Fear-based marketing (for free, at first, he promised), playing on low-incidence, high-profile school shootings to get this system into the culture of public protection. We really, really need it, he begged. What was in it for him?

In Texas, a high school wants kids to wear RFID devices. There are already 200 CCTV cameras in that school, some that directly go to the police department. Sounds good to some, I guess, but what is really behind this? Money, folks. And power. Look what happens when one girl refuses to wear this device:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/

From the article above:

*"This is about money, plain and simple," John Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, told The Register. "School violence is falling and, as Bill Clinton pointed out, a public school is a very safe place for a child to be. It's all about getting funding from the RFID system."

The school has already installed over 200 CCTV cameras in an attempt to curb truancy, some of which have a live link directly to the local police department, Whitehead said. All of this, along with the RFID scheme, is paid for out of the education budget.

"What’s happening now is going to spread across the country," Whitehead said. "If you can start early in life getting people accustomed to living in surveillance society then in future it'll be a lot easier to roll these things out to the larger populace."*

Sounds paranoid? Hmmm. Maybe. Maybe not.

Texas is a nation unto itself.

manthou — November 23, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- It's a question of taste I suppose. Some incredible stuff has been released through the family. My glass is half full in this regard.

If it's meandering blues like Rainy Day bring it on! I love it! Electric Ladyland is my favorite out of the living four. Such diversity! From Voodoo Chile to Voodoo Child. Incredible compilation. Come On pt 1 to Mermaid to......

Jimi turns seventy in a few days. One can only imagine what level he would be or is currently on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSKcQK...

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I guess this is a red states idea of educational freedom. Scary!! And linking this to the holy one is fascinating!

Another example of people turning a bling eye to elect someone based on religious ideology imo.

Someone purchased elected office right in front of our eyes, and most likely from the same electorate that brought us the 2010 congress.

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The "holy one" comment was uncalled for on my part. He might be just a nice guy who got led astray somewhere along the line. Hopefully this business guy will use his success for the common good.

A holiday cheer for Truth Justice and the American way!

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


From Diane Ravitch's Blog:

Who Bought the Charter Initiative in Washington State?
http://dianeravitch.net/2012/11/09/who-bought-the-charter-initiative-in-washington-state/

Three times the voters turned down a charter amendment.

In this election, a small number of extremely rich people decided they really wanted charters.

So they raised $10 million to beat back the parents and educators of the state, who could not match their spending.

Read the list of donors and the comments.

10.9 million. Gates, Walton, Allen, Bezos, Ballmer, etc.

http://www.pdc.wa.gov/MvcQuerySystem/CommitteeData/contributions?param=WUVTIFdDIDUwNw====&year;=2012&type;=initiative

langenthal — November 23, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy holidays langenthal!

If I could imagine heavenly afterlife music without a Marshall & a Strat (which I can't) it might be this.

A holiday feel good thingy. I was reduced! Amazing and soulful. Sometimes reality brings more imagination than imagination itself. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NENlX...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WhWDC...

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Do you really think raising taxes on Bill Gates and others like him is really going to do anything to them? If they see a program like Charter schools to produce a much needed and better educated
up and coming populace why not donate to them? It's pretty clear that our public school system isn't working when kids entering college have to take high school level math, science and english before starting college level??!

That is a waste of one year of classes and money IMO and shows me the public schools are failing our kids.

ELISI — November 23, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal





Millionaire radio host Rush Limbaugh doesn't get why Walmart workers are unhappy:

What I'm telling you is that the damage to the private sector is still under way, the assault on capitalism and the private sector is still under way. They are not through.
Take a look at the unions and the activities they're amassing against Walmart, they're amassing at LAX trying to shut down travel on Thanksgiving, shopping on Thanksgiving. You might ask what are they mad at? They won the election.

They're never happy, folks. The left never—no matter what they win and no matter what you give them, it's never enough. It's why I've always been opposed to compromise with them. There's no compromising with them; there's no point where they're ever happy.

Rush apparently doesn't get—or wants his audience not to get—that President Barack Obama's reelection did not grant Walmart workers a raise above poverty wages. It may have prevented Mitt Romney from appointing Department of Labor and National Labor Relations Board leaders who would refuse to penalize wage theft and dangerous working conditions and illegal retaliation for worker organizing, but while it's fine and dandy not to backslide, Obama's reelection, in itself, has not yet moved workers forward. Walmart workers are still poorly paid, intimidated, and discriminated against.
And poorly paid, intimidated, and discriminated against is just how Limbaugh wants to keep Walmart workers. Anything else would be an assault on capitalism, apparently.

hawkeye — November 23, 2012 at 2:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's not just Rush that doesn't get it.

Costco Wholesale Corp. often is held up as a retailer that does it right, paying well and offering generous benefits.

But Costco’s kind-hearted philosophy toward its 100,000 cashiers, shelf-stockers and other workers is drawing criticism from Wall Street. Some analysts and investors contend that the Issaquah, Wash., warehouse-club operator actually is too good to employees, with Costco shareholders suffering as a result.

“From the perspective of investors, Costco’s benefits are overly generous,” says Bill Dreher, retailing analyst with Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. “Public companies need to care for shareholders first. Costco runs its business like it is a private company.”

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/costco_employee_benefits_walmart/

That was 2004. Here's an Oct 2011 article that says otherwise. And it also looks like Deutsche Bank has had to eat their words - Costco is a buy, while WalMart is a sell. http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=58cfe657-a90e-46cb-9d80-c2960f8c72a5

But stories like this are too few. A third member of that "Big Box" market - Target - could actually be treating their employees even worse than WalMart. A comparison of health care plans shows WalMart's is quite a bit better, and is available to both full and part time employees, vs. just full time for Target. Not sure why they've been allowed to avoid the criticism WalMart gets.

roger — November 23, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, Nails,

What say we go Occupy KGON or some radio station - best music in town, and a whole lot of arguing over politics.

roger — November 23, 2012 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I've always been told I have a radio voice. Could I cut & paste talking points and use a teleprompter?

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 4:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Howdy, folks! Anybody try their hand at shopping on Black Friday??? I had my first experience this year...not at Midnight or 5:00 am. We at least waited till it was light outside. The stores we went to really didn't have that big of a crowd but the mall...nice wall of humans descending upon us as we finished our little shopping experience. All that went through my head is what the cartoon character, Snagglepuss used to say...*"Exit, Stage Right!"* Good advice...and that's just what we did. It was quite simple getting out of the parking lot...no big delay.

All in all, I didn't really see any great deals to speak of...nothing I wouldn't have seen the prior month...except I did acquire a couple of classic comedy movies for a sweet deal. Would I ever venture out on Black Friday for super deals again??? Naw. I found even better deals by shopping a bit earlier in the year and by shopping the local small vendors rather than the Big Box Stores. And yes, you can't forget the hardworking craftspeople and their wares at the Holiday Bazaars. There's some big Bazaars this weekend!!!

...and tonight...the tree lighting ceremony at Esther Short Park. I only wish it wasn't so wet, but I guess we're used to this type of weather, huh!

I love the holidays!!! So many festivities...

Now...where's that horse-drawn sleigh we can ride and later, some hot spiced cider or hot cocoa??? For now, the crackling fire and good company is more than enough!!!

goldenoldie — November 23, 2012 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


M M M M M MAX!!!! HEADROOM!!!!

Man, I used to love that show. Funny stuff.

I know several people that work at Costco and they are probably the best to work for. I wouldn't mind, at least they don't have to work all hours.

hawkeye — November 23, 2012 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — November 23, 2012 at 5:22 p.m

Went to Freddies about 9:30 this morning and got some half priced socks and slippers. Everything else will most likely be online.

hawkeye — November 23, 2012 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye...how were the crowds where you went??? Just watching the news tonight...we were fortunate, considering what was happening across the country. MAN those people get nasty!

goldenoldie — November 23, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


btw Hawkeye...about three to four weeks ago, I'd purchased two packages of socks...bought one package, got one free. Guess that made each package 50% off. The next week they were buy one get one half off. Then last week...25% off. I guess it's the traditional sense to buy AFTER Thanksgiving.

I find it funny how on one day, people are thanking the world for what is good in their lives then the next day, they're fighting for their lives over...

...get this...

cheap headphones and plain bath towels??? Yep! That's what they reported on the local news tonight!! I wonder if they're still thankful for what they have???

goldenoldie — November 23, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hehehe...buy one get one half off...the same as 25% off, but that's Fast Freddy's sales tactics!!! You gotta love 'em.

Speaking of Black Friday...some acquaintances of mine said they literally saw little brown mice scurrying around the stores so early in the morning. Kind of gross, especially if one of the stores was a grocery store/department store.

goldenoldie — November 23, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"I've always been told I have a radio voice. Could I cut & paste talking points and use a teleprompter?" -- nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.

Now, you know that's the way Rush Limbaugh does it, I hope?

roger — November 23, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...and I thought he pulled his comments out of his arse!

nailingit — November 23, 2012 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal



You pay a price living in this part of America. I wonder if they're union...

**Kendra Baker, Kentucky Teacher, Under Fire For 'Can't Be A Democrat And Go To Heaven'**

A Kentucky teacher is being criticized for writing a politically charged statement on the whiteboard in class.

South Laurel County High School teacher Kendra Baker is drawing complaints from parents and students after she wrote, "You can't be a democrat and go to heaven."

..

Over the years, particularly during election season, educators have repeatedly sparked controversy for bringing politics into the classroom.

Last month, South Carolina teacher Laurie Humphrey was removed from the classroom for a sign placed in her classroom that read, "The road to hell is paved with Democrats."

Humphrey, an educator of 15 years, was temporarily suspended while district officials investigated to "make sure the students are taken care of" while still being fair to the teacher.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/23/kendra-baker-kentucky-tea_n_2179034.html

nailingit — November 24, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,
I spent Thanksgiving with people who originated in Alabama. Long conversations about politics, race, south, etc. If anybody should know the state of affairs there, this person probably does. Let's just say, I thought we had come further than we actually have...so your posts re the teacher do not surprise me at all anymore. Disappoint, yes, surprise, nope. Somehow, the 21st century has left many behind, don't you think?

Politics, religion, a terrible mix. Lack of a broader understanding of the world outside of one's level of comfort and tight geography - bad, bad mix. I just notice that those who never traveled, those who believe strongly in just what they know and feel comfy with, those who deny others might have a valid point of view, those are the most ignorant persons I have ever known.

Wow, I am down today. Somebody cheer me up fast!

luvithere — November 24, 2012 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting that you put that post up, Nails. I was just thinking over something related. I've got an old friend who reacquired religion over the past few years, and has become very involved with the Catholic Church. (Really annoying, but one doesn't discard friendship over things like this.) Well, leading up to the election he kept putting up these posts on his facebook page that were very political in nature - basically, the message was that Pres Obama and crowd were evil because of their stand on issues like contraception, abortion and gay marriage. I finally got around to replying - a comment that while I understand the desire to get politically involved and fight against things like this, what I can't understand is the "family values" candidates like Rick Santorum aligning themselves with the party that represents the temple money lenders (the Repubs). That with their concern for people, I'd think they'd have remained Dems (the traditional party of the Catholics) and tried to redirect the party from within. I haven't heard back - and he's been ignoring anything I say since.

ANYHOW - This has led me to wonder about something. When we talk about separation of Church and State the argument tends to go to whether the Founding Fathers were thinking about a State controlled by a particular religion, or a Church within that religion. But, looking at European history and the interrelationship between Church and State, is it just possible they were in fact trying to prevent religion from being corrupted by politics?

roger — November 24, 2012 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"...is it just possible they were in fact trying to prevent religion from being corrupted by politics?"

And now and again... a pearl. Now *that's* thinking out of the box, roger. I find your question thought provoking. Thanks.

Drift — November 24, 2012 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


is it just possible they were in fact trying to prevent religion from being corrupted by politics?

roger — November 24, 2012 at 11:17 a.m

And vise-verse, maybe?

hawkeye — November 24, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit- Sorry to hear you are down. Better living through chemistry I always say.:0 I know I'm about ready for another trip to the German bakery!

roger- Sorry to hear about your friend closing you off. I guess he isn't as understanding and accepting of others viewpoints like we are.:)

With regard to the church/state thing. Considering many of them were deists and realized how corrupt the church already was, I think they were more concerned with our political structure.

nailingit — November 24, 2012 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, I agree with Nail on the church thing. I think the direction was to keep religion out of policy making. Probably because most of them were deists, they figured it might be good to keep the two separate to avoid one church rising to the top and dictating what will be policy.

Notice that we still have churches trying to dictate policy. Good thing we have separation.

luvithere — November 24, 2012 at 2:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The local football "civil war" sure turned on a dime! Man...

nailingit — November 24, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow. You guys some batting around some deep thoughts today. I don't feel worthy, a little slow, to be hanging out amongst ya'll. I'll just scoot on by quickly with this thought:

I noticed that the (Not Quite) Daily "Couve is back with Temple Lentz adding video now that we know what genius is behind this local satire. She is brutally funny (IMHO) with the local politicians, especially Madore, and even herself, bless her.

Check it out when the football games are over:

http://dailycouve.blogspot.com

manthou — November 24, 2012 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow Manthou - the first picture really shows how some people really do not get it, doesn't it? Total cognitive dissonance a la Tea party that will never get resolved. LOL.

luvithere — November 24, 2012 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Our Founding Fathers were almost entirely from England. The Church of England was established when Henry VIII issued an Act of Supremacy, which claimed ecclesiastic authority for the Crown. Mary got rid of it, but it was reinstated when Elizabeth I took over. The monarch was named the Supreme Governor of The Church of England; this was intended to abolish any authority of the Pope. During the 1600s political disputes led to a Presbyterian/Puritan faction taking control of the Church. This ended with Charles II and the Reformation in 1660, when The Church reverted to its Anglican Catholic doctrine. And to this day, its leader - The Archbishop of Canterbury - is named by the Prime Minister for the Crown.

The history of the Catholic Church's Popes often had periods of time where either the French monarchy or Italian leaders of city states declared who would be Pope, and maintained tight control over that person. And while there were times that the Pope exerted authority over the Crown (especially with Spain), I'm not certain our Founding Fathers were all that concerned over a particular religion controlling the State. I think that given the different Protestant and Catholic populations of the new nation, a fairly influential Jewish one in Baltimore, the Quakers, and whoever else - that just perhaps the Founding Fathers declared this separation with the express intent that the State be barred from any involvement in those religions - that people should be allowed to worship their god in their way without direction from the State.

Of course, this went down the drain quickly. Religion was highly politicized by the time of the Civil War - hence the Battle Hymn of The Republic.

roger — November 24, 2012 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal





I've decided that cats are really aliens from another planet sent here to observe us. I mean really, think about it. They don't do anything except eat and poop and sleep. They are always there watching no matter what you are doing. They must be of higher intelligence since we do their bidding, we feed them when they want and clean up after them. There seems to be no end to their powers over us as we seem to spend a lot of money maintaining their lifestyle. Also, even though they have survived on eating critters from our fields, they are just as happy with bagged or canned foods. I just haven't figured out how they send back their reports but I think they do it while they sleep.

hawkeye — November 24, 2012 at 10:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, You may have something in that. No mention of cats whatsoever until they suddenly show up living with the Egyptian pharaohs and were being treated just as well as them. The pharaohs claimed to be gods - a title bestowed on them by our poor ignorant ancestors who couldn't comprehend a more advanced race from another planet. And when they left to go help bring other worlds toward civilization, they left their cats behind to help guide us. Unfortunately, our feeble brains still haven't developed to where we can truly benefit from their assistance. However, we just may be getting there. I've got two cats sitting near me now, both staring at me. No idea exactly what they're "saying", but I can understand that they want me to quit wasting my time on the computer; get up and do something they consider useful.

roger — November 25, 2012 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"You can keep a dog; but it is the cat who keeps people, because cats find humans useful domestic animals." -- George Mikes from "How to be decadent"

"In the beginning, God created man, but seeing him so feeble, He gave him the cat." -- Warren Eckstein

"In a cat's eye, all things belong to cats." -- English Proverb

"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior." -- Hippolyte Taine

" There are many intelligent species in the universe. They are all owned by cats." -- Anonymous

"As anyone who has ever been around a cat for any length of time well knows cats have enormous patience with the limitations of the human kind." -- Cleveland Amory

and, in closing --

"There is, incidentally, no way of talking about cats that enables one to come off as a sane person." -- Dan Greenberg

roger — November 25, 2012 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal



roger — November 25, 2012 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


$$$ buying $$$ to get more $$$ from those who have little $$$ to help those who do have a lot of $$$. God bless America.

**CEO Council Demands Cuts To Poor, Elderly While Reaping Billions In Government Contracts**

WASHINGTON -- The corporate CEOs who have made a high-profile foray into deficit negotiations have themselves been substantially responsible for the size of the deficit they now want closed.

The companies represented by executives working with the Campaign To Fix The Debt have received trillions in federal war contracts, subsidies and bailouts, as well as specialized tax breaks and loopholes that virtually eliminate the companies' tax bills.

The CEOs are part of a campaign run by the Peter Peterson-backed Center for a Responsible Federal Budget, which plans to spend at least $30 million pushing for a deficit reduction deal in the lame-duck session and beyond.

During the past few days, CEOs belonging to what the campaign calls its CEO Fiscal Leadership Council -- most visibly, Goldman Sachs' Lloyd Blankfein and Honeywell's David Cote -- have barnstormed the media, making the case that the only way to cut the deficit is to severely scale back social safety-net programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security -- which would disproportionately impact the poor and the elderly.

As part of their push, they are advocating a "territorial tax system" that would exempt their companies' foreign profits from taxation, netting them about $134 billion in tax savings, according to a new report from the Institute for Policy Studies titled "The CEO Campaign to ‘Fix’ the Debt: A Trojan Horse for Massive Corporate Tax Breaks" -- money that could help pay off the federal budget deficit.

Yet the CEOs are not offering to forgo federal money or pay a higher tax rate, on their personal income or corporate profits. Instead, council recommendations include cutting "entitlement" programs, as well as what they call "low-priority spending."

Many of the companies recommending austerity would be out of business without the heavy federal support they get, including Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase, which both received billions in direct bailout cash, plus billions more indirectly through AIG and other companies taxpayers rescued.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/25/deficit-reduction-council-fiscal-cliff_n_2185585.html

nailingit — November 25, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**A suspected NATO airstrike killed eight civilians — including six children — in eastern Afghanistan, a provincial spokesman said.**

The airstrike took place Saturday night in Paktia province, said Rohullah Samoon, spokesman for the governor of Paktia. He said an entire family was killed in the strike.

The LA Times identified the victims as “Mohammed Shafi, his wife and his six children,” and cited the statements from the spokesman for the Paktia governor’s office that “there is no evidence that Shafi was a Taliban insurgent or linked with Al Qaeda.” The Afghan spokesman blamed the incident on the refusal of NATO to coordinate strikes with Afghan forces to ensure civilians are not targeted (“If they had shared this with us, this wouldn’t have happened”). Also yesterday:

An American drone fired two missiles at a bakery in northwest Pakistan Saturday, killing four suspected militants, officials said, as the U.S. pushed ahead with its drone campaign despite Pakistani demands to stop. This was the third such strike in the country in less than a week. . . .

The officials said the victims were buying goods from a bakery when the missiles hit. Residents were still removing the debris, officials said. All of the dead were foreigners, but the officials did not have any information on their identities or nationalities.

All of this is so widely tolerated, even cheered, among large factions of the American citizenry due to three premises:

**(1)** I have absolutely no idea who my government is continuously bombing to death by drone, but I assume they deserve it;

**(2)** when my government extinguishes the lives of entire families, including small children, as it often does, I know it’s all for a just and important cause even if I can’t identify it; and,

**(3)** we have to stop the Terrorists, because they keep killing innocent civilians.

That’s the Authoritarian Mind, and it appears everywhere the Imperial Mind does.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/27/the_authoritarian_mind_2/

nailingit — November 25, 2012 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cats most likely started cohabitating with people shortly after the neolithic revolution.

When folks started storing grain it attracted mice and rats. It made for easy hunting for the cats. One day a cat wandered into a dwelling. And someone gave it a scritching.

The freeloaders have been hanging out ever since.

Drift — November 25, 2012 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***And capitalism is alive and well in China:***

Regulatory Win for Chinese Insurer Proved a Boon for Premier’s Family

In the aftermath of the Asian financial crisis in 1999, the head of financially troubled Ping An Insurance pushed Chinese officials to relax rules that required the company to be broken up. Insurance executives made a direct appeal to the vice premier at the time, Wen Jiabao, as well as the China’s central bank — two powerful officials with oversight of the industry.

In the end, Ping An was not broken up and went on to become one of China’s largest financial services companies, a $50 billion powerhouse. Behind the scenes, shares in Ping An that would be worth billions of dollars once the company rebounded were acquired by relatives of Mr. Wen, who became prime minister in 2003.

The New York Times reported last month that the relatives of Mr. Wen had grown extraordinarily wealthy during his leadership. The greatest source of wealth, The Times reports, came from the shares in Ping An bought about eight months after the insurer was granted a waiver to the requirement that it be broken up.

hawkeye — November 25, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


For anyone interested. AXS 798 if you have Comcast is showing a concert with Buddy Guy and John Mayer for the first time. Both are incredible guitar players and it should be great. Now till 9:00.

nailingit — November 25, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal




roger — November 25, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Well, I don't have Comcast, but you definitely got my attention. Thanks, Nails.

roger — November 25, 2012 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Your very welcome roger. I got pulled away to watch the Walking Dead but recorded it. What I saw was mostly Mayer acoustic pop and a lot of Mayer's in between numbers blathering drivel that he's noted for. At times mute is my friend. Hardly any Buddy that I saw, so your vids compliment it well.

Mayer is so musical it's sick, although he's at his best doing covers of Hendrix/Stevie Ray type stuff imo. Dude's got some chops.

nailingit — November 25, 2012 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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