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Let me just start by saying the word of the week!

***ZAMBONI !!!!!!***

hawkeye — October 1, 2012 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The homicide in Hazel Dell: why don't landlords better screen their renters?

I am a landlord and have never had any trouble. Seattle City Council today is considering mandatory registration and inspections of all rental properties. Might not be a bad idea.

manthou — October 1, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That is a great idea... What about when you have a home where they have busted people living there on various occassions only to have them to continue to live there selling drugs, having 4 to 5 different vehicles pulling up daily...How about posting these adresses online?

vanwadreamer — October 1, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — October 1, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.

They have tried that in some states and had fourth amendment issues. The tenants have to let the land owner in, but can refuse access to any government official. On the other hand the land owner cannot bar entry to anyone the tenant allows in.

frobert — October 1, 2012 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Have you guys seen this? Funny stuff.;=colike

hawkeye — October 1, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert: I was wondering about the 4th amendment thing with this proposed Seattle law, too. I will have to check out what happened with that.

On another note: this should concern us all: Prosecutors across the country are selling their letterheads to debt collection agencies. Yikes.;=editorial&bu;=National%20Law%20Journal&cn;=20121001nlj&src;=EMC-Email&pt;;=Prosecutors%20for%20sale&slreturn;=20120902102553

manthou — October 2, 2012 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — October 1, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.

I understand what you are saying. I will not try to say that these people should continue living at the location, but I will attempt to explain the most likely reason the condition exists.

The landlord could very well kick the person out. Unfortunately, the property is most likely not a very desirable place, nor located where people are itching to live. The landlord most likely feels very lucky to have a tennant living there at all, so long as the rent is paid. Knowing he may have a hard time finding another paying tennant, he will allow the offender continue to live there so long as he gets paid his monthly rent.

Not saying it's right, but it is a reality. It costs more for the place to sit empty than for it to be occupied. Even by criminals, as long as they are paying.

danabwoodley — October 2, 2012 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 7:31- Quite the realization of abuse & power! Arm twisting with a Soprano punch. Pervasive and unfortunately ingrained in our societal structure. Root it out!

nailingit — October 2, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

But will be implemented next year. GOP continue to make messes courts have to clean up with Tax Payer dollars.

**Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Ruling: Judge Halts Enforcement Of Law For Election**

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- A judge on Tuesday blocked Pennsylvania's divisive voter identification requirement from going into effect on Election Day, delivering a hard-fought victory to Democrats who said it was a ploy to defeat President Barack Obama and other opponents who said it would prevent the elderly and minorities from voting.

nailingit — October 2, 2012 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, I think if the States want voters to have ID to picture vote, they should start at least a year before the next vote to get people registered. I'm not opposed to it as long as it is done fairly and within reason.

hawkeye — October 2, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- I think that is a a main contention for most. Laws being put into place not only based on flawed logic, but necessitating unrealistic time restraints, restrictions, ID availability/cost, not to mention limiting early voting in districts that are blue and keeping them the same when they're red. What the right has done this season with voter suppression is sad. This should be a non partisan issue, but the right either remains silent or openly encourages it.

nailingit — October 2, 2012 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

danabwoodley — October 2, 2012 at 7:46 a.m

In the past, I had a part time job serving papers on people. One of the regular parts of the job was serving eviction notices. My area was North and Northeast Portland and I served on average 10 to 12 papers a day. Lots of apartments and some houses. It was surprising to me how many "repeat customers" I had. Over the course of 4 months, there would be 3 or 4 people that would play the system. I believe these days most apartment and property management companies have a list or have access to a list of "bad customers".

hawkeye — October 2, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting insight with the Romney's, to include Mitt playing the local narc.

**The Candidate Next Door**

ON Dunemere Drive, it seems as if just about everyone has a gripe against the owners of No. 311.

The elderly woman next door complains that her car is constantly boxed into her driveway. A few houses over, a gay couple grumbles that their beloved ocean views are in jeopardy. And down the street, a widow grouses that her children’s favorite dog-walking route has been disrupted.

Bellyaching over the arrival of an irritating new neighbor is a suburban cliché, as elemental to the life on America’s Wisteria Lanes as fastidiously edged lawns and Sunday afternoon barbecues.

But here in La Jolla, a wealthy coast-hugging enclave of San Diego, the ordinary resident at the end of the block is no ordinary neighbor.

He is Mitt Romney.


For now, though, the Romneys are making regular use of their La Jolla house. Despite a busy campaign schedule, they have stayed there for the past two weekends. Mr. Romney has been spotted pruning the trees by his pool and touching up the paint on a fence.

The Romneys rarely entertain neighbors, but they have tried to weave themselves into the fabric of local life. Mr. Romney and his wife take regular walks around La Jolla, exchanging pleasantries with fellow strollers and occasionally enforcing the law. A young man in town recalled that Mr. Romney confronted him as he smoked marijuana and drank on the beach last summer, demanding that he stop.

The issue appears to be a recurring nuisance for the Romneys. Mr. Quint, who lives on the waterfront near Mr. Romney, said that a police officer had asked him, on a weekend when the candidate was in town, to report any pot smoking on the beach. The officer explained to him that “your neighbors have complained,” Mr. Quint recalled. “He was pretty clear that it was the Romneys.”


The agent then broached another pressing matter: recycling. “We have cans and bottles we’d like to recycle,” he said, explaining that the Secret Service was a vigilantly green organization, whenever possible. Mr. Clark offered to collect the group’s recycling every week and take it to the curb along with the couple’s trash. (Later, out of earshot, he wondered aloud why the Romneys could not handle the task.)

As the conversation wound down, Mr. Clark eyed a couple of Secret Service men polishing a black S.U.V. and playfully asked if they would mind washing his car.

One of them gave him a knowing look. “You’ll be fourth in line behind Mrs. Romney,” he retorted playfully. “She’s always asking, ‘When will you do my car?’ ”

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nailingit — October 2, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sounds like a Hannibal sequel.

**Terry Vance Garner Eaten By His Own Hogs At Oregon Farm**

COQUILLE, Ore. -- Oregon authorities are investigating how a farmer was eaten by his hogs.

Terry Vance Garner, 69, never returned after he set out to feed his animals last Wednesday on his farm near the Oregon coast, the Coos County district attorney said Monday.

A family member found Garner's dentures and pieces of his body in the hog enclosure several hours later, but most of his remains had been consumed, District Attorney Paul Frasier said. Several of the hogs weighed 700 pounds or more.

It's possible Garner had a medical emergency, such as a heart attack, or was knocked over by the animals, then killed and eaten, Frasier said, adding that at least one hog had previously bitten Garner.

The possibility of foul play is being investigated as well.

"For all we know, it was a horrific accident, but it's so doggone weird that we have to look at all possibilities," Frasier told The Register-Guard.

A pathologist was unable to identify a cause or manner of death, the newspaper reported. The remains will be examined by a forensic anthropologist at the University of Oregon.

Terry Garner was "a good-hearted guy" who cared for several huge adult sows and a boar named Teddy, said his brother, Michael Garner, 75, of Myrtle Point.

Piglets were typically sold to local 4-H kids.

"Those animals were his life," Michael Garner said. "He had all kinds of birds, and turkeys that ran all over the place. Everybody knew him."

Michael Garner said one of the large sows bit his brother last year when he accidentally stepped on a piglet.

"He said he was going to kill it, but when I asked him about it later, he said he had changed his mind," the brother said.

Domestic hogs are not typically known to be as aggressive as their feral cousins, but "there is some degree of danger associated with any animal," John Killefer, who heads the Animal and Rangeland Sciences Department at Oregon State University in Corvallis, told the newspaper.

While pigs "are more omnivorous than other farm animals, (such as) cows," Killefer called the case highly unusual.

Most hogs are raised until they reach a market weight of between 250 and 300 pounds, while breeding female pigs rarely weigh more than 400 pounds, Killefer said.

nailingit — October 2, 2012 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

An F for eFfort...

**GOP voter laws getting walloped by the courts**

*Eleven states have blocked voter suppression laws*

Since 2010, Republicans have been successfully passing laws that effectively suppress voter turnout. Less successful have been their attempts to defend these laws in federal court.

Ari Berman of the Nation counts 11 cases that have been rejected by the courts, including today’s ruling in Pennsylvania that narrowly (and temporarily) blocked a voter ID provision passed by the state.

In other key battleground states, like Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin, judges have similarly ruled against crackdowns on voter ID laws, restrictions on voter registration and early voting, and voter purges, among other things.

“It is a remarkable development that courts across the country have almost uniformly rejected every single law passed making it harder for eligible citizens to vote,” Wendy Weiser, director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center, told Berman. “This is a clear rejection of attempts by politicians to manipulate the election rules for political gain.”

However, some states, like Kansas and Tennessee, still have strict voter ID laws on the books for this cycle.

nailingit — October 2, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Since we have made mention of voting rights, how is this for a whopper out of Wisconsin.

What gets me is the Government Advisory Board, when it is suggested that the deadline for the ballots to be recieved to be counted be extended, states it would take a court order to do that.

What are you waiting for? Find a judge to sign it already!

danabwoodley — October 3, 2012 at 2:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The article about the CRC (Wednesday, October 3rd Clark section, pg. 3) is supposed to be about the Taxpayers for Common Sense's take on the funding waste. The web site it reference's leads to a site for a Canadian watchdog group. What's up with that?

I have said, many times, that this project was a waste of money when they can't seem to get it through their heads that we do not want Loo-Rail. The need for a third bridge is more paramount than redoing the old one. Any fool can see that!!

Yes I said it. You are a fool, in my opinion, if you think that by redoing the old bridge and adding a rail system will fix everything. The need for a third bridge is needed for the future, not a redo.

The people will speak. With their ballots. The next thing on the agenda should be a referendum introduced to make any funds that would be used for any rail system go before the voters in Clark County. Just like Clakamas County did.

JohnCasey — October 3, 2012 at 5:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Note to the homeless standing on any corner. DO NOT LIGHT A CIGARETTE while begging for change. And smiling about it just adds insult to injury! Actually it was more like a smirk when he saw me looking at him.

You're supposed to be broke, out of work, homeless or what ever put you there. The first things you should give up are smoking and drinking. With winter coming on you could catch your death of pneumonia.

Don't get me wrong. I do feel for them. But during the summer I saw some pretty pathetic scenarios. Some with kids and dogs. Signs that said they were 'too ugly to strip.' Signs that told the truth. One said 'I need a drink.' There's one out there that says he need to get gas to get home. He must live really close because I've seen him a lot up on Mill Plain.

JohnCasey — October 3, 2012 at 6:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

One more thing! Why is Battleground school district buying bottled water?? Isn't the city water good enough for them? I have seen the delivery twice now and I just can't see why.

It makes me question whether or not other school districts do the same thing. If so then quit asking for more money because if you are wasting money on bottled water, what else are you wasting my tax dollars on??

JohnCasey — October 3, 2012 at 6:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Presidential Debate 2012: Mitt Romney Gets His Moment**

Romney isn’t a mystery. People essentially don’t like him. His “unfavorables” continue to outweigh his “favorables” in the polls.

Too many voters -– particularly women and Hispanics, to name the two key groups –- tend to see him as a wealthy, distant, isolated and callous guy who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

Romney has the white male vote locked up: not because he hunts “varmits” (which he doesn’t, really), but because he talks in the language of tax cuts and a less intrusive federal government and because he isn’t Obama.

We know he isn’t Obama. That much is clear. Tonight he has to explain to middle class working women why a guy who said he could care less about the 47 percent of the country really does care about us all.

Mitt, you’re up.

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nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: whose gonna be online here tonight for the debates?

Buzz Kill:
A warning to anonymous posters: The Spokesman-Review commenter is still being by the woman she allegedly defamed:

Play nice. Use qualifiers (appears, seems to be, looks like, etc) and provide links to original sources whenever possible. :)

manthou — October 3, 2012 at 12:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

" outbursts at times produced humanist collective static, often insuring decreased forum posts resulting in gratuitous declamations such as this. when partnered with measurable bias, it provides the avatarian nexus when determining synchronicity/toxicity with initial inducer, often times mimicking withdrawal symptoms associated with addiction research*. and to note, regressively low serotonin levels consistent with innate need to embrace one's self within without you.

*[the skrow of lian tigni; /prophetic/forum/observations/1496 B.C. ] {cyclical paradigms vol. 2 p. 424:18} C1496

When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind,
Is waiting there....

And the time will come when you see

we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you.

~George Harrison~

nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@manthou:-*nailingit: whose gonna be online here tonight for the debates?*

Hard to say manthou. The posts have been few this week. I'll keep my tweeter posts brief and disqualifying if that encourages anyone.

I hope we get some decent info instead of gray policy and platitudes. I hope Obama is energetic and Romney channels his inner Willard.

I hope Romney gets numbers specific with his economic policy, and Obama drones on about drone attacks, not only how it has impacted foreign relations, but potential consequences to our domestic social fabric and perceived freedoms. :))) (new meds!;)

I hope both of them are at the top of their game and give us the best look possible.

A lotta hope.

nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey guys, can anyone explain to me why gasoline is going up when oil is dropping like a rock? Under $89 today.

hawkeye — October 3, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — October 3, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.

Deficit spending devaluating our currency.

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — October 3, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.,

We're in our own little world here in the Northwest; the suppliers can manipulate prices to their hearts' content. Our state-level political leadership is largely either business or environmental oriented; neither will aggressively pursue controlling this.

Maybe if we all call Senator Cantwell's office she'll announce another investigation into gouging. It's only a temporary fix, but it's the only positive step I can recall being taken the past couple of years.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


how can currency devaluation-generally a slow movement-affect short term prices? If the price of oil spikes, gas prices also spike. But when oil prices drop, gas, well doesn't so much. Hmm....

mrd — October 3, 2012 at 3:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou and Nails,

I read an update saying they'll be discussing our economy, so I'll definitely be watching. How long I watch depends on whether they get into detail.

And, to be honest, I'm waiting to see Romney use his zingers. As Maddy Albright said the other day - the guy is a loser personality-wise. I'm expecting (hoping for) something lame enought to keep both Stewart/Colbert and SNL going for a few weeks.

Stewart still brings Mr. 999 on occasionally - Herman Cain may have bolo'd with his economic plan (among other things), but I'm thinking he's the true winner out of the Repub field this year. He's a perfect comedic foil, and plays the role so naturally.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.

Sorry, that wouldn't explain why we are 50 to 60 cents higher than Las Vegas. If everyone was the same, I might buy that. Also, I know what you are going to say next, taxes. They are almost the same as us.

hawkeye — October 3, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If we were Israel, Israel would be Turkey, and Syria would be Palestine. Lotsa opportunities for a new administration loaded with neo-cons to shape a new war. Something to consider in November.

**Syria Mortar Attack: Turkey Fires Back At Syrian Targets Following Deadly Cross-Border Shelling**

Turkey, a NATO ally, is anxious to avoid going into Syria on its own. It has been pushing for international intervention in the form of a safe zone, which would likely entail foreign security forces on the ground and a partial no-fly zone. However, the allies fear military intervention in Syria could ignite a wider conflict, and few observers expect robust action from the United States, which Turkey views as vital to any operation in Syria, ahead of the presidential election in November.

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nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Why don't I believe Mr. Romney when he says he wants to help the middle class?

manthou — October 3, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

That comment about the top 2% of "small businesses" employ half the people got me wondering just what Romney means by small business.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

But Romney is doing much better with offering specifics on how he wants to build the economy - coal, oil, Keystone XL, etc.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pres Obama's little spiel on how he cut taxes on the middle class is somewhat bogus - most of his tax cuts are that 2% cut to the Social Security withholding tax - it's going to kill that program if not removed.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — October 3, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.

Mainly because you never believe anything a republican says.

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 6:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — October 3, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.

At one point in the 70's General Motors qualified for small business loans with 200,000 employees. I don't have a source but it was in a Business Administration text book in the 80's.

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 6:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

" based on performance"

of what? outcome of patient care? improvement of patient?

or reduction of per-patient cost?

notice he didn't say what they'd be performing to get more money.

DeeLittle — October 3, 2012 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney is more than holding his own. It looks to me as though he paid attention to what Pres Clinton did at the Dem Convention - he has consistently followed just about every major point with specific details and examples. Extremely confident too. Something says this race will be a lot closer in the next polls.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@Romney4pres#gameshows/you look like bob eubanks

@obama4prez#debate/Do better next time

@forum#whocares/Romney dictated the debate and Obama was on his heels far too often. Romney faired better.

nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@roger640/no specifics with numbers

nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney looked good, but he lied.

manthou — October 3, 2012 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — October 3, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.

Kind of like when Obama said he wouldn't use federal funds to circumvent state law?

Or when he said he would close Guantanamo?

Or when he said, well just about everything else?

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney looked good, but he lied. -- manthou — October 3, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.

Truth is what you can get the audience to believe to be the truth. That's where I think Romney excelled tonight.

His best line (paraphrased) was that Pres Obama was right - he did come in facing a major economic meltdown - and yet he wasted his first two years pushing Obamacare instead of trying to stop the crash. That, in my opinion, probably struck home with a lot of the audience.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- *Romney looked good, but he lied.* Agreed. Obama wouldn't take him to task. No framing of the 47%, Romney's governing job growth record, a weak defense of Medicare and no mention of women's rights, immigration, unions and little of citing Romney remarks concerning policy. Important domestic policy issues left by the side of the road.

There's going to be a new deal with tax reform and entitlement spending. I hope Obama has a little more zeal for the middle class than he displayed tonight.

nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pres Obama missed his opportunities as often as Romney nailed his. For example, Romney kept saying the solution for health care was to send the programs to the states. Yeah. Right. Texas. Louisiana. You want third world care right here in the US, and you go right ahead with that plan.

OK - he couldn't mention the states by name, but the point would be driven home.

The common post debate observation on CNN was voiced by James Carville - that Romney wanted to be there, and Pres Obama didn't. And it showed.

roger — October 3, 2012 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As an Obama guy,

Romney 1
Obama 0

Romney stood up, looked good, Obama wilted and was passive, in short, he sucked, IMO.

Even made me wonder, maybe, just maybe, Romney actually could lead this country out of this depression better. I'm not so sure 4 more years of the same old, same old, is going to get 'er dun. Hmmm...But Romney's still stuck with Lyin' Ryan, who, imagine this, has been pretty silent as of late. Perhaps, a Romney ticket can actually get something done. It's apparent Obama can't. It's not a fault thing-just reality.

mrd — October 3, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 3, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.

I like Lady Gaga's complaint that Mitt is a millionaire and only pays 13.9% income tax, she doesn't mention that Obama is also a millionaire and pays about the same percentage, or does she offer to show us her taxes.

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 9:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I also have to comment on Cher's comment that Romney doesn't care about the 47%, after checking philanthropy websites Cher gave away some concert tickets to the needy, Romney on the other hand gave away 29% of his income, more than $4 million to charity last year. What puts Cher in a position to condemn Romney's compassion?

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — October 3, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.

Many economists are now saying that we are in fact in a depression, if that is in fact, the case, neither will be able to lead us out of it in 4 years.

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 9:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — October 3, 2012 at 9:17 p.m

Agreed. This is a global issue, we are caught up with the rest of them. Will take more than 4 years and neither will be able to do it alone. Depressing. I think I will go to bed and think about which country to move to after this is all over. Bora Bora anybody?
Eggnogg is one of the captcha words. Might be best to have a drink after this.
Still supporting Obama though!

luvithere — October 3, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

next debate's the vice prez's.

wonder if they're training biden with shock sticks.

DeeLittle — October 4, 2012 at 1:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

romney was a solid win.

i'd be more joyous if it wasn't usual for the contender to win the 1st debate.

DeeLittle — October 4, 2012 at 2:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

If team Obama plays it right, they should use Mitt's debate words and birth some campaign ads to lower the flame with this debate debacle. After awhile I started mouthing obvious talking points Obama wasn't, telling myself at best, the Prez might be distracted with some major threat, but remembering all too well this is the same Prez that continued the Bush Tax Cuts, caved on a public option, teflon coats Wall Street, and it sounds as though Obama cuts in Medicare would be on the table.

*I hope Obama is energetic* My one hope went to hell.


**Wake up Obama**

On cable shows Thursday morning, meanwhile, Obama surrogates touted the same line. Senior adviser David Axelrod told MSNBC that Romney's debate performance was a "shell game" and gave him "an 'F' for being honest with the American people." Martin O'Malley, Maryland's governor, said on CNN that Romney had promised "We can all eat cake and lose weight."

The campaign has a good point: Romney's policy explanations, particularly about how he was going to pay for $5 trillion in tax cuts, were vague, misleading and riddled with falsehoods. But he delivered them with conviction. Obama supporters will probably be asking themselves how their candidate failed to rebut Romney during the debate, rather than after, until the next meeting between the two on Oct. 16.

nailingit — October 4, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mr. Romney looked poised, confident and on point... I think Obama thought he could Roll out of bed and win the debate and election. If we had to pay him for his performance, he would owe us. One thing O bama is good at is saying the same things enough that people start believing him.. Too bad he hasn't owned a small business; he might actually have a perspective about jobs and the economy and what it takes to create jobs...I still see Obama getting elected anyway as too many people don't want someone with Romneys wealth as our president. I personally don't care how wealthy someone is or isn't, I don't judge people but by what they say and if they do what they say... Obama has no clue and hasn't had a clue how to get the economy growing or create more jobs...

vanwadreamer — October 4, 2012 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

economists can do or say whatever, basically they're clueless. The problem is much, much deeper. For years now the banking industry along with the government's willing assistance, has been creating money out of thin air. These actions have been masking the fallacy and endgame of capitalism. That fallacy is requiring infinite expansion in a finite world, or at best, slowing the growth so as not to hit the limit. Either way globally, so eventually domestically, we'll hit the limit, unless there's another bubonic plaque or something to take about 1/2 of us away and reset the game.

mrd — October 4, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I watched the debate while cooking a meal, eating, socializing and providing those within ear shot commentary. :) I recorded it and I'm afraid to watch it again and fill in the blanks! Wake up Obama!

I knew when John Kerry was cast as Romney for their debate preps there was a problem. I'll see your economy and raise you a swift boat. Wake up Obama!

**Obama's Social Security Answer Leaves Democrats Utterly Baffled**

WASHINGTON -- Of all the moments that left Democrats scratching their collective head following President Barack Obama's debate performance Wednesday night, his comment on Social Security appeared to sting the most.

It was not that the president said anything particularly alarming about how he intends to address the program: His broader points were consistent with past statements. It was that, when presented with the opportunity to contrast his vision with that of his opponent, Obama took a pass, going so far as to say he didn't think it was an issue of disagreement.

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nailingit — October 4, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Maher made some funny tweets last night, and per usual spot on!

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
Barry, stop nodding at Mitt when he’s lecturing you, it looks like he’s right and you’re chastened!

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
Romney looks more confident and energetic – he’s about a minute away from holding Obama down and cutting his hair. This better be ropeadope

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
healthcare: if Obama can’t win this round, Eddie Futch has to stop the fight

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
i can’t believe i’m saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
my rating: Romney won the debate, Obama had the facts on his side, and Lehrer sucked. Next debate, get @SethMacFarlane to host!

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
Pundits already weighing in that Romney won. They’re cheering on Planet Kolob!

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
Looks like my pre-thought about Romney knocking it out of the park was accurate, or so says the media that’s so in the tank for Obama

nailingit — October 4, 2012 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher Romney looks more confident and energetic – he’s about a minute away from holding Obama down and cutting his hair. This better be ropeadope

Maybe it was. From what I've read today, Romney may have written some checks he can't cover, and a lot of folks saw them. Also, Romney's bought off on Ryan's SS & Medicare "reform" via endorsing Ryan's budget plan, yet accused Obama of cutting a boneload from the program which ain't what Obama's on record as having proposed. And showing how, thru closing loopholes and eliminating deductions, he's gonna cover a 20% tax cut without increasing the deficit should prove interesting. BTW, what's the difference between a loophole and a deduction. If a loophole is legal, the IRS buys off on it, isn't it just another deduction? I guess it sounds better, as though you're actually addressing a problem.

Should provide Obama with some good fodder for round 2, and after last nite's weak performance, he'll need it.

“When I got on stage, I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney,” he said. “But it couldn’t have been Mitt Romney, because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the year, promising $5 trillion dollars in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. The fellow on stage last night didn’t seem to know anything about that.”-obama

mrd — October 4, 2012 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

obama lost by a landslide. Debate number two should be interesting. Romney just has to be himself. obama is now on the offensive. Of course, after Ryan completely destroys Biden next week, obama may have a lot of damage control to do in order to offset Biden's incompetence. He will definitely have his hands full.

cranky — October 4, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


wouldn't it be the absolute high point of ANY election if biden acted..well, biden-ish?

we could all use a break from all this politicking.

DeeLittle — October 4, 2012 at 9:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

just wondering....

if homeland security picks up a us citizen and holds him without charges, is it a violation of the 4th amendment?

DeeLittle — October 4, 2012 at 11:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — October 4, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.

Not if they send him to Chateau D'if.

danabwoodley — October 5, 2012 at 4:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher Looks like my pre-thought about Romney knocking it out of the park was accurate, or so says the media that’s so in the tank for Obama

nailingit — October 4, 2012 at 3:59 p.m.

To Mr. Maher-

This tells you exactly how poorly Mr Obama performed if the media can't even spin it to at least a draw.

danabwoodley — October 5, 2012 at 4:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just to show how pathetically blind some people are in their devotion to the President, I actually saw a few people I know on FB try to say that Mr. Obama performed beyond stellar in the debate.

While I will admit that I didn't personally see them (typical day for me is up at 0500, in bed at 2200), 0200 is a bit early for me to get up if I am not being shot at. From the various items I have read, as well as comments from some of the other basement dwellers here, I think it is safe to assume that the President's performance left a lot to be desired.

But alas I guess some never learn.

danabwoodley — October 5, 2012 at 4:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**7.8** Conspiracy in their morning coffee they will find. Like children they are!

**Conservatives: Jobs data is phoney**

The release Friday of unexpectedly positive jobs numbers immediately touched off a conspiracy theory among conservatives, who suggested the data was being manipulated.

Read more:

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 7:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DBW @ 4:39@4:45- Maher points out the faux victimization of conservatives by the "liberal media". Just not so but Fox makes their living from it. Romney has been given a free media pass with any Romney policy details.

Democrats continue to hold this President's feet to the fire, a quality that was missing from the right during the Bush debacle. On the debate. It'll be forgotten after the second. Hopefully Obama's poor debate performance has awoken him. Wake up Obama!

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Stewart Baffled By Obama Debate Performance (VIDEO)**

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails -

It seems you're a minor celebrity of sorts. Go read the comments to the Cantwell article today; the posts headed by one from Lew Waters. Some guy named Erickson advises Lew that you're strangely quiet today (actually yesterday) - presumably because of the debates? Hmmm... guess that means it's time to check Lew's website and see if your name pops up there too.

I'm jealous.

Oh - scroll to the end of that comment thread and you'll see my response.

roger — October 5, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Took a look and no one mentioned to include yourself? It appears my fleeting fame was ill begotten.

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I own a small business as well. I asked my accountant about those 18 tax breaks. She said sorry, but what the president said doesn't actually exist. She has had several calls from other business owners asking same question... Kinda like "where's the Beef"....

I woulda loved to be the Fly on the wall at Nail's place. I had the same thing going on at our place... Too many Libs at my dinner.. They were bitten by the Obama bug about class warefare.. Why arn't the Rich paying more taxes when I pay a higher % than they do.. It's because thats how some of them "earn" there money and oh BTW they pay $$$ allot in taxes..

vanwadreamer — October 5, 2012 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


does that mean he can raid the federal vault too? (assuming, of course, there's anything IN it)

thanks for the smile; i need all i can get during *this* season.

DeeLittle — October 5, 2012 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

wind's blowing hard...ducks are taking refuge in the cattails at the edge of the pond...

grass has stopped growing (yaaay, no more mowing) and all the flowers are gone. gonna have to bring in the potted herbs soon. get out the grow-light....

real things. i cling to them like a survivor of a boat sinking clings to pieces of debris.

on tv, radio, in the papers, on the internet there is a different 'reality'.

*my* guy wins, no matter what **factually** happened. good news for my side? *publish 2" headlines!!*

bad news for my side? release it @ 4:00pm friday night and bury it after the obit's.

what's a citizen to do....?

read. MORE THAN ONE SOURCE. more than one side's source. listen to actual words and don't depend on somebody's 'interpreting' it for you.

now, more than ever in the history of our country, we need voters **informed** . we're about to decide what kind of country we want .

do we want to continue our 236 years of self-detrmination, or do we want, like greece, britain, france and spain a daddy-government that takes from *everybody* and gives according to it's own interests?



DeeLittle — October 5, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.

If you mean you didn't see it - the other Cantwell article, actually posted last night. He's followed on to say you keep things interesting. Not sure whether he actually posts here or just reads. I was interested that he mentioned you to Lew Waters in a way that suggested Lew would know who you are. Sort of suggests the Tea crowd has you on their public enemy list. (I've said many a time - you're a rabble rouser!)

roger — October 5, 2012 at 12:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — October 5, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.

" the Tea crowd "? Lew is a big government NeoCon not a tea partier. The tea party in theory is for smaller government, the last thing Lew seems to want is smaller less intrusive government. I am sure you can come up with some tea party organizations that do not believe in their founding principles but you shouldn't consider them tea partiers.

frobert — October 5, 2012 at 12:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert - I stand corrected. I'll defer to your take; he's definitely anti-Libertarian, so I figure you've spent more time determining where he comes from than I have.

roger — October 5, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — October 5, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.

There is no shortage of people trying to seize the tea party momentum, but to quote Tim Sample "If your cat has kittens in the oven, that don't make um biscuits".

frobert — October 5, 2012 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- *Sort of suggests the Tea crowd has you on their public enemy list.*

That's a scary thought. What are there, about 12 left in Vancouver? :) I'm reticent to call them baggers, teabaggers, teabaggerites etc. as I understand it not only invokes images the GOP has a hard time running away from, but one or two will charge hypocrisy and hate. So in the PC spirit that conservatives so readily embrace...'s a friendly and consoling gesture. I know they must be feeling lousy watching Romney fail week after week after week after...and with the polls, the trends, the dynamics, all favoring four more years of Obama.... then this sugar high with the debate...anyway, may this inspirational song boost moral within the bagger ranks. :)

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

sitting here alone, but not alone.

36 years now. so hard to grasp, my mind can only acknowlede it as just a number.

today. it started today.

poured myself a shot of my favorite adult beverage. gonna down it soon, neat no chaser.

as i said to you on 2/15/1997, bending close to your ear while wiping away the ooze of blood coming from the edge of your mouth, i will love you forever.

happy birthday, jeff.

jack daniels time.

DeeLittle — October 5, 2012 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.

Please read where frobert corrected me on mistakenly labeling Lew and friends as being the local Tea crowd. I should have suggested you're on the neoCon public enemy list.

I'm a big fan of Brit comedy - I can't find too many short clips from this show, so the attached will have to suffice - civility has gone down the tubes. But who's at fault?

roger — October 5, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — October 5, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.

The government has been raiding the vault for years. They found at one point they were sweeping the vault hoping to find some dust from the bars that used to be there. Then...

The good ole federal reserve opened it's vault with a welcome sign. The interest required was in fine print (about the size of the dust grains they were sweeping before).

danabwoodley — October 5, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 8-Richard looks like a Brit version of George Kennedy.

In a literal sense, being Politically Correct has become a difficult task for many on the left. Every other day brings a new slogan, branch party, definition, conspiracy etc. for the right. It's hard to keep track.

People can call them teabaggers, birthers, birchers, truthers, neo-cons, cons, ditto heads, religious right, center right, far right, fringe...etc. etc.

Easier to call them Republicans.

nailingit — October 5, 2012 at 10:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If common sense framed this debate, there wouldn't be one.

**Access To Free Birth Control Causes Abortion Rate To Drop Dramatically: Study**

When women are given access to birth control at no cost, the rate of unintended pregnancies and abortions among them drops dramatically, according to a new study published on Thursday in Obstetrics & Gynecology.

The Contraceptive Choice Project, conducted by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, Mo., enrolled 9,256 women and teens from 14 to 45 years of age in the St. Louis area between 2007 and 2011. The participants were all uninsured, low-income, or otherwise determined to be at risk for unintended pregnancy.

Each woman was given a choice of birth control methods, ranging from long-term and more expensive contraceptive devices, such as the intrauterine device (IUD) or an implant, to more common methods, including birth control pills, the ring and the patch. Since price wasn't an issue, about 75 percent of participants chose the implanted methods, which are more effective than short-term methods.

The results were significant: The annual birth rate among teenage girls in the study from 2008 to 2010 was only 6.3 per 1,000, compared to the much higher U.S. rate of 34.3 per 1,000 for girls the same age. And the abortion rates among among all participants ranged from 4.4 to 7.5 per 1,000 women over the two-year period, substantially lower than the national rate of 19.6 abortions per 1,000 women in 2008.

The rate of abortions in the study was even dramatically lower than the rates in the St. Louis area, which range from 13.4 to 17 per 1,000 women.

"The impact of providing no-cost birth control was far greater than we expected in terms of unintended pregnancies," said Jeff Peipert, MD, PhD, the Robert J. Terry Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology and lead author of the study. "We think improving access to birth control, particularly IUDs and implants, coupled with education on the most effective methods has the potential to significantly decrease the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions in this country."

The findings of the study are significant at a time when a number of conservatives in politics and public policy are pushing back against the Obama administration's contraception mandate under the Affordable Care Act, which requires most employers and insurers to cover birth control at no cost to women. Moreover, a number of states have voted to defund Planned Parenthood -- one of the nation's leading providers of contraception to low-income and uninsured women -- because some of the organization's clinics also offer abortions.

"I would think if you were against abortions, you would be 100 percent for contraception access," Dr. James T. Breeden, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said of the results.

nailingit — October 6, 2012 at 12:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***question for the group:***

do you think racism is still a major factor in america?

please provide examples for your belief.

DeeLittle — October 6, 2012 at 4:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 6, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.

So what you are saying here is we now have scientific, statistical data that supports the notion that the general population has a responsibility to provide a means that reduces the unwanted results of an individuals own irresponsible behavior.

Do I understand correctly?

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 6:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — October 6, 2012 at 4:19 a.m.

Yes, very much so.

We still have instances of violence that is racially motivated. We still have groups that publicly pronounce their racism. I have heard many people that speak racist lines in private.

What many fail to realize is that absolutely everyone is a "victim" of this racism. Regardless if you are black, white, asian, hispanic, whatever, someone is displaying a racist attitude toward you.

I had an opportunity visit a wide variety of communities in this country. In the south, many areas are still very much racist toward the african american population (stay away from the town of Pitkin, LA). I have been in neighborhoods in Texas, Arizona, and California where a white man is very closely scrutinized by the Latinos. I have had conversations with people of all races where I am disparaged in words for the color of my skin (just to clarify, I am a white man).

So to ask if it is a factor, yes it is. If you want to try to point out the group that is an offender, I don't have enough fingers.

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 6:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

One could easlily flip that, db.- Statistical data supports the notion that the general population has a duty to provide a means for individuals to behave responsibly.

Mornin' folks.

Drift — October 6, 2012 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Racism is alive and well, Dee.

And not just in N.Y.

Drift — October 6, 2012 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — October 6, 2012 at 4:19 a.m.

The hanging chair in Camas is racist symbolism - no matter how cute people want to get with tap dancing around the issue, the person who did that was lynching the Black President.

Dana's response is on the mark - we're all racist, and every other -ist out there. It's human nature to be suspicious of those who are different from us. Once we recognize this, and challenge the behaviors that move from -ist to -ism, we can work toward overcoming this. Denial gets us nowhere.

Hmmm... Second time today I've said this - I gave a longer version in response to someone on the facebook side. Somehow, I suspect the people here have a greater capability of understanding my argument.

roger — October 6, 2012 at 8:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — October 5, 2012 at 7:46 p.m.,

Tuesday would have been Margie's birthday. There were some sad moments for me.

If we're going to believe in anything, we have to believe that those who we loved, and who loved us, would want us to carry on with living.

roger — October 6, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Scary stuff-at the highest levels of government, no less.

"U.S. Rep. Paul Broun's view that the theories of evolution and the big bang are "lies straight from the pit of Hell" is getting more exposure than he might have expected, thanks to a video that was made at a church-sponsored banquet in Georgia and distributed by a progressive political watchdog
The Georgia Republican is already well-known as an outspoken conservative Christian, due in part to his unsuccessful campaign to have 2010 declared "the Year of the Bible." But the latest comments have taken on an extra dab of controversy because Broun, a medical doctor, calls himself a scientist in the video and chairs the House Science Committee's panel on investigations and oversight."

He seems a good choice to chair the House Science Committee's panel. How does nonsense like that happen?

Broun goes further saying the earth is about 9,000 years old and was created in six days. Dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden-whooda thunk?

mrd — October 6, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Do I understand correctly?*

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 6:05 a.m.

It's hard to say dana. Are conservatives so wrapped up in ideology they reject practicality and reason? What gets lost is the life of the unborn, the supposed reason far right activists espouse "personhood".

Negate contraception is evil and it aborts the conflation of RWTP against pro-choice.

nailingit — October 6, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 6:05 a.m.

I'd much rather pay to prevent life from happening than pay to take one. And given the two choices, I'd say providing free contraception for those who can't afford it, or for all, is the most responsible choice on our part.

As for other people's lack of responsibility - we deal with that every day. Sometimes we're in a position to correct the behavior, and other times we can only negate or reduce the impact. (Which I'm sure Big Sarge knows quite well.)

Do we really need statistics to support common sense?

roger — October 6, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Is this the same Boehner who was "morally" inspired to pass out tobacco industry bribes on the House floor? Boehner's motivation in government functioning with the best interests of the general populace in mind stops with his pocketbook. Boehner should not be in the place of power that he is. It's another example of republican failure to right their own ship.

Republicans need to look no farther than their own party when blaming others for the lack of moral resolve and extreme disarray the GOP find themselves in today.

**Boehner wary of lame-duck deficit deal**

Boehner isn’t saying nothing will get done – in fact, he’s not making any proclamations about the prospect of a compromise with Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and whoever occupies the White House .

What he is saying is that he thinks is that the time is too short for something large – *and more significantly, that he’s morally opposed to lawmakers with one foot out the door making decisions on behalf of the nation.* That could seriously limit options for avoiding the so-called “fiscal cliff.”

The speaker’s remarks were a peak inside the mind of one of the most important decision makers in D.C. What Congress decides to do about expiring tax rates, cuts to both defense and domestic spending, the debt ceiling and a host of other expiring provisions will reverberate not only in Washington but on Wall Street and across the world.

Read more:

nailingit — October 6, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — October 6, 2012 at 6:17 a.m.

For those veterans on here, let me give you an example. This is something that can be found in today's Army, not sure how it was for you.

You have a soldier that goes out on the weekend, has some drinks, makes an idiot of himself, then drives home. He gets popped for a DUI. While it is true that the soldier is going to face the music and receive his punishment, there is another aspect that some don't realize. This soldiers leaders (Platoon Sergeant, Squad leader, etc.) will be called into the office of a more senior leader (like the battalion commander, or sergeant major, or both) where they are going to get chewed on. Why? Because they didn't prevent this soldier from getting into trouble.

It doesn't matter that he knows that the act was illegal. It doesn't matter that every Friday everyone gets a safety briefing of what not to do from the company level commander. The only thing they see is that your soldier got into trouble and it is your fault.

If this sounds ridiculous to you, then how can drifts arguement in favor of free contraception make any sense? I don't want to be responsible for paying for another persons irresponsibility.

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 6, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.

I am in no way trying to refer to contraception as evil (abortion yes, but you know how I feel about that). What I am asking for is personal responsibility.

If you want to go and act irresponsibly, you have the freedom to do so. But if you are going to exercise that freedom, do I really have an obligation for you do so without unwanted consequences?

Sort of like me sitting at home in Lacey and getting a call that Lady GaGa is at a bar in Portland drunk, and I am obligated to pick her up and give her a ride home to LA. Logical?

*disclaimer* - I am in no way trying to imply anything in regards to Ms. GaGa's lifestyle. That was merely the first name to pop in my mind. I believe that Ms. GaGa is, in her own way and mind, a perfectly upstanding citizen.

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 8 p.m.

Dana - Contraception is to avoid pregnancy. If someone is so poor they can't afford the pills, I'd much rather pay for this for them than to pay for their kids - because they won't be able to afford to raise them without public assistance. A lot more than the few dollars the pill will cost.

And if you really want to focus on that they could be responsible people and abstain from having sex -- take the freakin' rose colored glasses off!!!

roger — October 6, 2012 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dana - And if your BC or CSM calls the chain in and rips on them for an isolated DUI, then that person is a dick. The only time I ever experienced something like this was a group ass chewing (PSGs and 1SGs) because there were several soldiers getting out of line - sloppy uniforms and haircuts, falling out of Bn runs, disrespect, and infractions like DUI. CSM decided it was because we were failing to enforce standards and maintain discipline. Whatever - Just another day in the Army.

roger — October 6, 2012 at 9:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

** If someone is so poor they can't afford the pills** ---roger — October 6, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.

i doubt there is a population of *any* significance that is 'so poor they can't afford the pills'. do they have cell phones? hdtv? video games...? drink lots of beer and/or have money for pot or alcohol?

personal responsibility is not, unfortunately, encoded in our dna.

*why* should **i** pay for somebody's self-indulgent decisions?

DeeLittle — October 6, 2012 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


regarding contraception, specifically 'the pill', it doesn't prevent new life, it prevents that new life from implanting in the mother's womb.

just a very early abortion.

does that change your opinion any?

DeeLittle — October 7, 2012 at midnight ( | suggest removal


i lived in north carolina during the 60's. i saw the signs, 'white only in grill', restrooms 'male', 'female', 'colored'.

separate water fountains, schools, waiting rooms in hospitals...saw the hate, too. my sister's husband turned out to be kkk. among other things.

dr. king changed our world simply by standing there, afraid, arm in arm with others, and showed the world what happened to 'uppity nigras' in the south.

i also lived in los angeles during the riots. hate again. black against white this time. my brother-in-law was an la county sheriff. we prayed every time his shift came up.

i managed to escape los angeles before the latinos and blacks went to war. as i understand it from friends, that's still ongoing.

'racism' is an easy out. easy to claim. easy to hide behind, too.

i don't think there's any such thing, actually. there's just hate. hate looks around for a target, and usually centers on what's 'not us'. nazis vs. jews. chinese vs. japanese. blacks vs. latinos. american citizens vs. illegal aliens.

we've got to stop labeling hate. because we can label it, it somehow becomes less than it really is; something we've identified so we're not confronted by actual events. we can blithely pidgeonhole it as an issue we've overcome instead of the bald-faced evil and violence it really is.

we escape from having to deal with the reality that way. hate is the enemy; 'racism' is only the index card.

DeeLittle — October 7, 2012 at 12:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — October 6, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.

I am not going to try to fool anyone by saying that we can get people to practice abstinence. I understand what reality is, and will not even attempt to be so naive.

I am going to say, however, that I believe part of why we have such a lack of personal responsibility is because we built these nets for people that acted irresponsible. Now everyone expects that they will be taken care of, and what more nets put into place so they can take even more risks.

I say it is time we start holding peoples feet to the fire. Take responsibility for what you do, and don't expect others to take care of you.

Also, I am not sure how long you have been out of uniform, but occurances like what I described takes place frequently these days. It has progressively gotten worse in the 15 years I have been playing the game. I have had NCO stripes for the past 12. It seems as though every year there is something new a soldier will do that I end up getting a chewing for. The only reason I am not looking to hang up my boots right now is because I have too much time already invested to not stay for a retirement.

These next 4 and 1/2 years are going to be long and painful.

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 1:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


could not agree with you more. hopefully, we're on the top of the wave, and things will be going back to responsibility again.

before we destroy the country would be nice, too.

DeeLittle — October 7, 2012 at 1:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Totally unrelated to anything already being discussed but something that bothers me.

We all know that there is a war going on in Mexico between the cartels (cartel v. cartel and government v. cartels). We have seen the violence spill over into the US (recent shooting of 2 Border Patrolmen with one fatal). How is all this different from the activities of Pancho Villa?

How about if we informed Calderon that he has just one more incident to go? One more time that his war spills onto our side, we spill onto his. Afterall, there are some who will argue that the power of the cartels is the fault of the US by virtue of our demand for the illegal drugs they sell.

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 1:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I truly believe that our country is on the path to self destuction. I say this because we have expended so much energy on foriegn policy, that domestic concerns fall to the wayside. Domestic policy seems to have consisted of:

1) identify the problem

2) put more money into the problem

3) evaluate results

4) throw more money at what doesn't work

5) throw more money at what does work

6) ignore while you consider the next international issue.

And areas where we should consider foreign policy, we seem to be ignoring it (see my post at 1:56 a.m.).

But looking at the people we have running for the various offices, it looks as though things will continue to operate this way regardless of who wins each race.

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 2:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"what's that you say, mrs. robinson"

DeeLittle — October 7, 2012 at 4:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

responding to danabwoodley's post — October 7, 2012 at 1:56 a.m

You do know, db, that there's the possibility those border agents shot each other? Also, the Mexican Expedition was after one man, and Pershing wasn't successful.

You might be interested to know, too, the 50,000 or so Mexican deaths along the border are the result of Calderon's war on drugs.

You want to talk intelligently about drug violence? How bout we jump clear up to Chicago. When Mayor Emanuel took office he promised the citizens safer streets. As of June 17 there had been 240 murders in Chicago. That's a 38% increase from 2011.

July 13 of this year there were three gang-related shootings in Portland within nine hours.

Make no mistake, db, the vast majority of these gangs are tied to Mexican cartels. It's estimated there are over 29,000 of them in the U.S. Gang related homicides are about 12% of all annual murders.

And I'll let you in on a little dirty secret, db, it aint about the drugs. It's about the money. It cost about $13.00 to produce one pound of pot. On the black-market that pound can sell for around $3,200. The artificially inflated price is a direct result of prohibition. The RAND Corp. has estimated cannabis would sell for ten to twenty bucks an ounce if it were legalized (as opposed to $200.00 plus).

In Forbes Magazine Joaquin Guzman Loera was listed as one of the worlds wealthiest men at a net of $1B (Sinaloa Cartel.

Do you know what it would take to end this madness? It really is quite simple. End prohibition.

Drift — October 7, 2012 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sort of like me sitting at home in Lacey and getting a call that Lady GaGa is at a bar in Portland drunk, and I am obligated to pick her up and give her a ride home to LA. Logical?
disclaimer - I am in no way trying to imply anything in regards to Ms. GaGa's lifestyle. That was merely the first name to pop in my mind.

Alrighty then!

I believe that Ms. GaGa is, in her own way and mind, a perfectly upstanding citizen.

I'm sure GaGa would appreciate your GaGa self assessment. :)) Not to judge an' all. :))

danabwoodley — October 6, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.


*I say it is time we start holding peoples feet to the fire. Take responsibility for what you do, and don't expect others to take care of you.*

*The only reason I am not looking to hang up my boots right now is because I have too much time already invested to not stay for a retirement.*

*These next 4 and 1/2 years are going to be long and painful.*

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 1:26 a.m.

Think about that...............

nailingit — October 7, 2012 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Pigeonholing last night @ 10:07 caused me to google search something I knew to be true. I don't know much about the site, but this write represents a decent liberal view that throws water on this type of conservative bigotry/hypocrisy/self-righteousness seen @ 10:07. Excerpts-

One of the great ironies of American society is that most abortions in the U.S. are caused by conservative Christians.
January 24, 2012 |

One of the great ironies of American society is that most abortions in the U.S. are caused by conservative Christians. Read the statistics: Forty nine percent of pregnancies in this country are unintended, a rate that has been painfully stable for almost 30 years. Almost half of those pregnancies end in abortion. Or, to turn it around, over 90% of U.S. abortions are the result of accidental pregnancy. U.S. rates of unwanted pregnancy and abortion far exceed any other country with similar economic development. So does our rate of religiosity . The fact that we are outliers on both is not a coincidence .

Three aspects of conservative Christianity promote abortion: pro-natalism, an obsession with sexual sin, and an emphasis on righteousness over compassion.


3. 38,000. That’s the number of Christian denominations. Ever wondered why? Traditional Christianity is about right belief, orthodoxy, rather than right living. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Acts 16:31 Contrast this with the central virtue of Buddhism, ahimsa, or non-harm. “Catholic” (meaning universal) and “Orthodox” (meaning right belief) are competing turf stakes from one of the first splits after Christianity beat out paganism. But schism and fracture are just one consequence of beliefism. Many believers would rather be right than in community. They’d rather be right than compassionate. They’d rather be right than solve problems. They would rather oppose abortion than prevent it.

The numbers are in. The most effective way to reduce abortion is to de-stigmatize sexual education, de-mythologize virginity, and invest in broad access to the most effective contraceptives available. In the highly secular Netherlands, that formula has knocked abortion down to 7 per 1000 women annually, one third the U.S. rate. So why does the Religious Right keep their focus on restrictive laws instead of contraceptive access? Why do they promote person-rights for zygotes, in contradiction to the very essence of personhood? Why do they oppose medically accurate sex ed? Why do they pledge to defund Title X family planning?

Because abortion isn’t really what interests them. They want purity. They want righteousness. Some want designated breeders . Even those who don’t consciously promote more births are subject to the competitive strategies that were baked into the desert religions from the beginning.'s_obsessions_promote_abortions

nailingit — October 7, 2012 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Soul selling as defined by Mitt Romney. He's bringing his church deeper and deeper into the conversation. I think it opens the door for Americans to have some straight talk about Mormonism. Theology, doctrine, history, practices, etc., their standing among named Christian fundamentalists. Why not? Sounds like a fun informative time considering Lord Mitt is now invoking his church based works program in an effort to appear human. Just sayin'.

**Mitt gets personal**

By JAMES HOHMANN | 10/6/12 11:50 PM EDT

APOPKA, Fla. — It took six years of running for president, but Mitt Romney has realized one month before the 2012 election that he cannot depend on family and surrogates to humanize him.

He must do it himself.

The Republican is using a three-day Florida swing to make a direct emotional appeal to voters. He is for the first time speaking more candidly to voters about his good deeds on behalf of others, a trait he has stubbornly shied away from during the majority of this campaign even as Democrats have painted him as an unfeeling corporate raider.

Starting on Friday night, Romney devoted nearly one-third of his stump speech to telling three revealing and personal stories that have been related before by other Romney allies — his wife, his friends — but never by himself.

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nailingit — October 7, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Holy $#!+! I'm listening to a Pierce Morgan/Ahmadinejad interview on CNN and the little guy is making some sense. Is it my liberal disorientation run wild? A problem with the translation? A wolf in sheep's clothing? Maybe a sheep in wolf's clothing. Is Pierce Morgan a Farsi? Is Ahmadinejad the anti-Christ? Pro Romney?

Okay, back to earth, now he's being a holocaust denier. He seems a little crazy, without the fox part. In many ways he sounds like a conservative republican (Pierce is grilling him on gay rights).

The guy looks like a dwarfed Danny Thomas, though most likely not a St. Jude advocate.

nailingit — October 7, 2012 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 7, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.

This post shows that:

a) there is not rebuttal for the comparison I make so let's instead just poke fun at it.

b) I believe there is supposed to be a connection made to my referencing recieving a retirement. Not sure what the exact point is, but I am sure it may eventually be revealed.

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 10:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — October 7, 2012 at 6:57 a.m.

My question for you is, do we lift the prohibition on marijuana only, or on all currently illegal substances? The cartels make their money on more than just the marijuana.

There are many cases in the US of violence all over the US that are connected to the cartels. I find it really hard to believe that we are not taking any serious action toward a foreign entity that is proving to be such a threat to our citizens.

While I can see how the legalization can be a personal liberty issue, and I haven't yet really made up my own mind on the isse, I still find it amazing that the idea of legalizing will magically stop all the violence. All that will happen will be a) a drop in price, and b) the organizations that are pushing will just find another product that they can make money on.

If you truly believe that the cartels activities are not a serious threat to us, then I say you delude yourself.

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 10:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*dbw- Not sure what the exact point is, but I am sure it may eventually be revealed.*

Yes grasshopper. Truth will be revealed to those who seek it. Do not ocean waves crash silently if one is deaf?

nailingit — October 7, 2012 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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