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db - OK, I know I am late on response, but cannot let this go.

Yes, Afghanistan is the leader in opium. Yes, Colombia is the leader in cocaine. However, most points of entry into the US market are so well protected from these substances entering the country, the smugglers have all but stopped trying to use them. They need a point of entry that allows flow.

They discovered that there are enough holes in the border with Mexico that they can get it in. Part of the reason for the inflated street value is that they count on the fact that a certain amount of their product will be intercepted by authorities, while a majority will make it to buyers.

Me - You seem obsessed with the Mexican border, db. You do know there's one with Canada, too? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-ethnic-asian-gangs-dominate-drug-smuggling-canada-increasingly-active-inside-us

Those 45 (or so) grow houses that were busted in Clark County; were the names of those arrested Mexican?

The street value of illegal drugs is driven by what the market will bear, db. Nothing more. It's simple economics.

db - This is what has caused the cartels to rise in power. For the most part, they are just middle men. But with such an important role in getting the product to market.

We have cases of drug related violent crimes in places such as Minnesota that are connected to the Mexican cartels. They have been connected to human trafficking as well. They are bringing people to the US to work as prostitutes, as well as kidnapping Americans and shipping them to other location such as SE Asia into slavery.

Me - I already stated the vast majority of street gangs in this country have cartel ties. What's your point?

db - But if I am to understand you correctly, Drift, we have no basis to take a more agressive action against these violent, criminal organizations.

Me - There you go again, trying to put words in my mouth. What I implicated is -that method- is worthless. It creates more harm than good. Just ask the 50,000 dead along the Mexican border. 50,000 dead as a result of Calderon's "crack down." And I'll say again, you want to ruin the cartels? Take the money out of the dope.

Drift — October 15, 2012 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift: You should post more often on here.
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Only 23% of the population polled by Pew actually read a newspaper (the ink and paper kind) yesterday:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/pew-read-a-print-newspaper-yesterday-138438.html#.UHwCragPtIo.twitter

manthou — October 15, 2012 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Kerry is still role playing as Romney. A wind surfer prepping a body surfer for debate with Gordon Gekko on steroids. We're doomed!

Wake up Obama!

**Obama: Debate Preparation Is 'Going Great'**

WILLIAMSBURG, Va., Oct 14 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama said on Sunday his debate preparation was "going great" and aides said the Democrat would be more aggressive in his next face off with Mitt Romney after their last encounter gave the Republican challenger a boost.

Since that first debate in Denver on Oct. 3, polls indicate Romney has erased Obama's lead heading into the Nov. 6 election. Obama and Romney debate again on Tuesday at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. The third and final presidential debate will take place on Oct. 22 in Florida.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/14/obama-debate-preparation_n_1965457.html

nailingit — October 15, 2012 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*A forum right winger spoke of "agenda 21" awhile back. One of the many conspiracies promoted by Glenn Beck. When Obama wins the election I'm sure a new conspiracy will be "birthed".*

**Tea Party Activists Fight Agenda 21, Seeing Threatening U.N. Plot**

CEDAR FALLS, Iowa, Oct 15 (Reuters) - Tea Party activist Judd Saul admits that he can sound a little unhinged when he gets talking about an issue close to his heart that most Americans have never heard of.

"Agenda 21 is an elusive enemy that floats in and chokes you gradually," said Saul, of the Cedar Valley Tea Party in Cedar Falls, Iowa. "They want to destroy the middle-class way of life."

"Agenda 21 aims to undermine your property rights and force you" to live in cities, Jake Robinson told Tea Party members at a meeting in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, in April.

For Joe Dugan, leader of the Myrtle Beach Tea Party in South Carolina, "Agenda 21 is nothing short of treason."

..

A small percentage of Americans say it is an attack on their very existence - part of a grand conspiracy to take away their gun rights, destroy suburbia and turn America into a modern-day Soviet state.

At a local level across the country, conservative activists linked to the Tea Party movement have rallied around the cause of blocking development they say is part of the conspiracy.

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"I think the Tea Party people who turn up to shout at planning meetings are heading for a McCarthy moment," said Ron Littlefield, the mayor of Chattanooga, Tennessee, referring to the Communist witch hunts of Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s.

"They have been heard, and many people are sick of their scare tactics," added the mayor, whom local Tea Party activists have been trying to recall for raising property taxes.

Don Knapp, U.S. spokesman for the ICLEI, rejected the notion of an anti-American plot. "Sustainable development is not a top-down conspiracy from the U.N., but a bottom-up push from local governments," he said.

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Many conservatives also vehemently disagree with the global warming arguments behind Agenda 21. But planners and developers say sustainable development plans are needed to meet future shifts in the size and age of the U.S. population.

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Saul says that rather than taking on the parts of Cedar Falls 2020 he disliked most, he focused instead on Agenda 21 at a public meeting to discuss the plan. As almost no one in attendance knew what he was talking about, Saul says his words met with blank stares.

"I wish I'd focused on why the plan was bad," he said, "instead of talking about Agenda 21 and looking like a wacko nut job." (Editing by Claudia Parsons and Prudence Crowther)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — October 15, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 15, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.

You may want to check out the Washington State Growth Management Act.

Basically; draw a line around the cities, which is called the Urban Growth Boundary. Then densify the population inside this boundary. Densify is a word I saw used repeatedly, when this process was going on in Clark County and I don’t think anyone would disagree with the appropriateness of the word. In fact, it was the whole purpose of the GMA.

A lot of property was rezoned, because of this, in the early ‘90s. It’s why you now see the houses on postage stamp sized lots, and an abundance of apartments. Outside of the growth boundary, the two and one half acre lots were phased out, and others were increased to one house per 20 acres in some areas. I think even one house per 40 acres or more in some places, but not sure about that.

As I recall, special emphasis was put on especially densifying main corridors to make public tranportation more feasible.

The point of all of this was to preserve undeveloped lands by preventing urban sprawl.

One may consider it good planning for the future, but it IS centralized planning by government, it IS densifying the population by government, and it IS greater control of private property by government.

kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at noon ( | suggest removal


kn_d- Most good conspiracies have basis in fact and reason. It's the conflation of fact & fiction morphing into a "new truth" that so many latch onto. I'd be curious to know if this "small percentage of Americans" have also been deceived by telemarketers, deny global warming, believe Obama's a communist, are conservatives, champion zygote rights etc. etc. etc.

[excerpt]-"A small percentage of Americans say it is an attack on their very existence - part of a grand conspiracy to take away their gun rights, destroy suburbia and turn America into a modern-day Soviet state."

nailingit — October 15, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Limit urban sprawl = greater revenues by taxation for cities and counties.

soapbox4u — October 15, 2012 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u,

One might wonder why New York City, with all of its density, isn't a paradise awash in money, instead of a crime ridden, bankrupt megapolis.

kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai - Money? Paradise? It is where the money is going that would one should wonder about.

soapbox4u — October 15, 2012 at 4:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And just where is the money going?

Remember, this is about cities. Not the federal governmemt.

Look at Crazytrain's link at 1:22 p.m. for some discussion on this issue.

kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Bwaaaaaahaaaa***

The head of a charity in northeastern Ohio where Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan and his family were photographed cleaning dishes over the weekend said Monday that Ryan was not authorized to be on the premises and "did nothing" while there.

Brian J. Antag, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society in Youngstown, told the Washington Post that the Romney campaign had not asked to make the Saturday visit to the soup kitchen. He said that he runs an apolitical faith-based organization which has bylaws barring it from hosting political candidates, and that the visit jeopardized donations from private individuals.

"They showed up there and they did not have permission," he said. "They got one of the volunteers to open up the doors." Antag added that Ryan and his family "did nothing" while on the premises.

"He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall," he said.

Ryan was photographed cleaning "large metal pans that did not appear to be dirty" during a 15-minute visit, the Post previously reported. While television cameras rolled and photographers snapped pictures, the Wisconsin congressman discussed washing dishes while he was younger. He said he would get calluses on his fingers due to the heat from the industrial machine. You can see the video at left.

When Ryan arrived on the site in the early afternoon, the kitchen was clean and the dining area was empty, according to a pool report. After his time in the kitchen Ryan spoke to homeless people outside the soup kitchen, but reporters were kept monitoring the conversation.

The Romney campaign said the visit was designed to highlight the work of soup kitchen volunteers. As the video above shows, Ryan greeted five or six adults volunteers and two children before going back to the kitchen.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57532807/charity-president-paul-ryan-did-nothing-at-soup-kitchen-photo-op/

hawkeye — October 15, 2012 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


speaking of environmental issues, here are some news items I read today--

"This is the 331st consecutive month with global temperatures above the 20th century average."

"Sea levels in Delaware are rising 5 times faster than the global average." So implicitly, the oceans everywhere are rising as more and more land ice melts. And there's a double whammy. Because global temperatures are rising, the increased volume of water is expanding, pushing sea levels higher.

"Climate change debate is now occuring almost exclusively in the US." Reasons given-the scientific community worldwide has pretty much accepted the fact and moved on. The debate in the US is strictly political. The UN policies are kinda like the health care debate. No other developed countries emulate the American system of providing health care, so they're all wrong. We're the only ones that have it right.

We're pretty much facing the end of the road in many areas, including the environment. But economic plunder always wins out. The environmental fallout from all the fraking for oil in shale deposits is yet to be seen. But, with the fraking liquid now showing up in abandoned wells in ND, streams sterilized from this liquid leaking from storage ponds, that fallout will come. Remember Exxon Valdez? How about the BP mess in the gulf? Build the Keystone pipeline? Sure, why not? There's money to be made. Thinking the price of gas will go down with this pipeline is delusional. The US has so much excess gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel we're actually exporting the stuff. Meanwhile, we're paying $4.00/gal and rising. Hmm.....

While it is possible climate change is cyclical and unavoidable, it still seems strange to engage in practices that simply magnify the changes. If and when the economic costs of rising sea levels are guesstimated, I think the profits from fossil fuels wil be a drop in the proverbial bucket by comparision.

mrd — October 15, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Catch-22

kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

soapbox4u — October 15, 2012 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Letter: Fooled once too often by GOP**

Somehow, the letter seemed to have a little bit of a hollow, if not all too familiar, ring to it.

Interesting comment by James E. Hurley. Perhaps unexpected, but not really surprising comments.

kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Lobbyists ready for a comeback under Romney**

President Barack Obama’s gone further than any president to keep lobbyists out of the White House — even signing executive orders to do it.

But the mood on K Street is brightening.

Industry insiders believe that Mitt Romney will unshackle the revolving door and give lobbyists a shot at the government jobs their Democratic counterparts have been denied for the past four years, a dozen Republican lobbyists said in conversations with POLITICO.

"I've heard they are likely not to black ball anybody from any particular sector," said Republican lobbyist Sam Geduldig at Clark, Lytle & Geduldig. "I assume, everyone is welcome to apply. I'm sure they are interested in getting the best people possible."

Allowing lobbyists back into the White House could be a PR nightmare early on in a new administration, some Republicans fear. Romney would have to toss out Obama’s orders, which shook up how President George W. Bush did business and let Obama claim his agenda wouldn’t be hijacked by special interests.

Sources close to Romney’s campaign say there has been no official word from the campaign on what the rules about lobbyists in the administration will be. And Romney himself has said nothing definitive on the trail about the issue.

But there are clear signs that lobbyists could be back in the executive branch.

Some of the highest-level positions in a potential Romney administration are expected be filled by former lobbyists and Washington insiders. Health care consultant Mike Leavitt, who served as the head of the Environmental Protection Agency for Bush, is leading Romney’s transition effort. He’s considered a shoo-in for either White House chief of staff or Treasury Secretary. Campaign spokesman Kevin Madden, of JDAFrontline, is expected to get the job of White House spokesman.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82415.html#ixzz29QcgHrDJ

nailingit — October 15, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


from crazytrain-luv that-This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996


"This is the 331st consecutive month with global temperatures above the 20th century average."

I really don't know how to explain the difference, but a difference does exist. Without going political (that shuts me down immediately) what do you figure global warming-(climate change)- is doing? Do you deny it's existence? Do you believe it's BS? Does your "pause" in global warming indicate just that- global warming?

From your post--

"So let’s be clear. Yes: global warming is real, and some of it at least has been caused by the CO2 emitted by fossil fuels. But the evidence is beginning to suggest that it may be happening much slower than the catastrophists have claimed – a conclusion with enormous policy implications."

It seems even your source agrees global warming is occurying and is likely linked to the use of fossil fuels. The rate may be debatable, but the cause isn't.

mrd — October 15, 2012 at 8:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — October 15, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.

So you reduce crime by decriminalizing the behavior.

That is the same as getting more kids to achieve education standards by lowering the standard.

danabwoodley — October 16, 2012 at 5:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**"Sea levels in Delaware are rising 5 times faster than the global average."**

mrd — October 15, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.

OK, I am just a simple sort of guy, and am not completely versed on all these things, but I am a bit perplexed by this statement.

Now if I remember correctly, all the oceans and seas of the planet are connected, like one large, oddly shaped tub. As we lose ice on the poles, sea levels rise (a given right?). This melt goes into this large tub.

So I know that there are shifts in the oceans, between the trade winds and the lunar cycles. But how can it be that the coastline of Delaware, relatively small in comparison to the total amount of coastal land on the planet, can rise faster than any other piece of coastline in the world?

While I do not follow the "global warming" debate extremely closely to determine an opinion on the validity of the science, statements like this that make no sense to me really lead me to question the validity of the science.

Just saying.

danabwoodley — October 16, 2012 at 6:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal



DBW- *...statements like this that make no sense to me really lead me to question the validity of the science.*

Hope this helps...

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/scientists-long-beach-island-slowing-sinking-and-global-warming-is-to-blame/

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoOm-e...

**How old do you believe Earth to be?**

(A) About Six Thousand years old.

(B) Around Four and a Half Billion years old.

(C) Two-Hundred Thirty Six years old.

(D) Only God/Romney understand these types of things.

(E) I rebuke the question in the name of the lord.


nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Relax go. It's comedic thing. I find Mormonism fascinating!

**Supreme Court Approves Ohio Early Voting On Final Weekend Before Election Day**

Soon after the Supreme Court's ruling, Husted issued a directive to local election boards, setting uniform hours for the three days before the election: 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday and Monday, and 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. on Sunday.

The Obama campaign expressed delight with the ruling. "We now turn our full attention to educating Ohio voters on when and how they can vote along with presenting the clear choice they face when selecting their next president," Bob Bauer, general counsel for the campaign, said in a statement.

The early-voting period began two weeks ago in Ohio, but in accordance with the new law, mostly during working hours.

"Justice has prevailed," said Pastor Rousseau O'Neil, of Rockdale Baptist Church in Cincinnati, who has taken part in several Souls to the Polls campaigns. "We saw that early voting made a tremendous difference four years ago and I suspect that it will have a tremendous impact this time around as well."

"At this time in our lives and in this country, we can not afford to go back to a time when so many people were denied the right, in any form or fashion," O'Neil said. "We'll come out in droves."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/supreme-court-ohio-early-voting_n_1970603.html

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 11:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Bill Clinton Breaks Down Mitt Romney's Tax Plan 'Illusion' For Obama Campaign (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/bill-clinton-romney-tax-plan_n_1969879.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So I know that there are shifts in the oceans, between the trade winds and the lunar cycles. But how can it be that the coastline of Delaware, relatively small in comparison to the total amount of coastal land on the planet, can rise faster than any other piece of coastline in the world?

The biggest contributor currently is the warmer ocean water is expanding as it warms, and so sea levels rise. I read where on the east coast anyway, the land is also sinking very slowly, and has been doing so since the last Ice Age (from an article by the Delaware Natural Resouce Dept). It is expected that melting land ice and polar caps will become the major contributing factor as the global temperatures continue to rise.

mrd — October 16, 2012 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Be prepared Obama! These Right Wingers will latch on to anything Romney says and believe it to be gospel. Like poor misguided sheep being led to the fiscal slaughter. Be clear, concise and visionary. Speak to the Romney lies and address America's concerns.

Wake Up Obama!

Debate @ 6:00!

**The new Solyndra**

*A bankrupt battery manufacturer is sure to be a topic in tonight's debate. Here's why Obama shouldn't be afraid*

President Obama better be prepared to deliver an aggressive defense of his signature “green jobs” energy policy initiative tonight. On Tuesday morning, A123 Systems, a manufacturer of electric car batteries that received a sizable grant from the Obama stimulus, filed for bankruptcy. The Romney camp, reported the Hill, wasted no time painting the troubled company as a new Solyndra.

“A123’s bankruptcy is yet another failure for the President’s disastrous strategy of gambling away billions of taxpayer dollars on a strategy of government-led growth that simply does not work,” said Andrea Saul, a spokeswoman for Mitt Romney.

Romney is sure to reprise this attack during the debate. Fortunately for Obama, there’s no shortage of good responses, helpfully made available by liberal supporters of renewable energy.

For example, once upon a time, advanced battery technology was a bipartisan project. The Bush administration gave A123 a $6 million grant in 2007, and the same Michigan Republicans who are attacking Obama today for wasting money were writing letters in support of A123′s eligibility for stimulus grants back in 2009. Romney himself used to support government incentives to develop renewable energy. His current opposition is obvious political opportunism and Obama needs to point that out.

Furthermore, seizing upon a single company’s bankruptcy to condemn an entire energy policy willfully misunderstands how innovation works. If the Obama administration had put all of its chips on one company, that would have been stupid. But the Department of Energy gave grants to 29 different companies working in the advanced battery sector. Some of those companies were bound to fail. Some — we hope — will succeed. In the case of A123 Systems, another company that received stimulus money, Johnson Controls, agreed to buy A123′s assets. The factories aren’t disappearing. Consolidation is a normal part of the capitalist process. The weak get weeded out.

read more @

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/16/the_new_solyndra/

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Bill Clinton. A.K.A. Slick Willie.

It's always been debatable if it really was a balanced budget. But, in the end, Slick Willie took credit for it, when it was the Newt Gingrich led House, that sent back Clinton's budget proposal a RECORD 4 TIMES, until they could finally live with the fifth budget proposal.

kn_dalai — October 16, 2012 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Get "fired up and ready to go" Obama! For Christ's sake, Wake Up Obama!

Obama-Romney Debate 2012: Can Cool Hand Barack Dismantle Robomitt?

WASHINGTON -– Time for some drama, Obama.

With his presidency on the line, Barack Obama at 9 p.m. on Long Island must do –- is planning to do –- what doesn’t come naturally to him: personally, directly and forcefully confront his foe.

He failed last time, and can’t afford to fail again.

The president prefers to play the cool, nice guy, at least in public. He grew up moving from culture to culture, and learned to be accepted and even admired without taking on schoolyard bullies.

Now, he can’t avoid it. Above all, he must project strength: of purpose, of belief, of determination to the right thing for average folks.

If he fails, Obama will undercut 80 years worth of Democratic (but also, in the old days, bipartisan) devotion to the ameliorative and economically constructive role of the federal government. The Romney-Ryan ticket is a heat-seeking missile headed straight at the basic assumptions of the modern social state.

In Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, the president is facing a genial-looking, seemingly polite and gentlemanly man of faith who is, in fact, a ruthlessly ambitious, shape-shifting politician with enormous wealth, even wealthier friends and a proven reputation for using whatever means necessary to destroy anyone in his path and for blithely disregarding numbers, logic and truth in the pursuit of power.

In other words, a genteel bully, who has spent a well-born lifetime getting what he wants: the girl, the Harvard degrees, the Big Money, the big houses, the governorship and now, on the second try -– he hopes –- the White House. In a little-noticed passage of his secret spiel to donors in Florida last May, Romney said that the key to victory for him was getting on the stage with Obama.

So far he has been right.

The president must show up Tuesday night, and do so with a smile on his face and a spring in his step. But more than that, he has to puncture Romney’s blithe certitude. And he has to do it in front of a town hall audience that will be the source of the initial questions. The questions will be chosen by and filtered through CNN moderator Candy Crowley, who can ask follow-ups.

..

I’ve been told by a person close to the debate-prep process that whatever the question, he will stress these among other points: the impossible not-to-say cynical math of Romney’s $5 trillion tax cut proposal; his proposed the “voucherization” of Medicare; running mate Rep. Paul Ryan’s (and, implicitly, Romney’s) threat to do the same to Social Security; his support for continued and even more generous rate cuts for the wealthy; the threat his budget-and-tax plans pose to the non-entitlement portion of the budget.

read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/obama-romney-debate-2012_n_1967365.html

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The October Surprise! I never thought he would give details!

For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without raising taxes on the middle class or exploding the deficit, simply click the link below.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — October 16, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.

Pure insanity. We ramped up from 60K troops (something like that) to over 100K to barely control the Taliban - and now we're going to do something/anything useful with 25K troops? That's probably enough to protect Karzai and his people in Kabul, but it's pretty much writing off the rest of the country.

roger — October 16, 2012 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqqGX0DEMM&feature;=related

*I guess everything is for sale nowadays.*

**Billy Graham site removes Mormon 'cult' reference after Romney meeting**

(CNN) - Shortly after Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney enjoyed cookies and soft drinks with the Rev. Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham on Thursday at the elder Graham's mountaintop retreat, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

In a section of the website called Billy Graham's My Answer there had been the question "What is a cult?"

Answer: "A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith."

"Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others," the site continued.

No longer. On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/billy-grahams-group-removes-mormon-cult-reference-from-website-after-romney-meeting/

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is there a reason why you don't make "comedic" or in other ways, debasing comments about Muslims, nailingit?

kn_dalai — October 16, 2012 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I wounder what Billy Graham views as the biblical massage of the Christian faith.

rincon1 — October 16, 2012 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Is there a reason why you don't make "comedic" or in other ways, debasing comments about Muslims, nailingit?*

Here is the story of an Imam who got up after Friday prayers and announced to the people:

"I have good news and bad news. The good news is, we have enough money to pay for our new building program. The bad news is, it's still out there in your pockets."

Baa-Boom!

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


One minute! Wake Up Obama!

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Got a good laugh out of that nailingit:)

I thought maybe it was because you were afraid they might try to find you, and come over to your place and...cut your head off.

Or maybe just some good old fashioned oikophobia.

kn_dalai — October 16, 2012 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@romney#billyfrank/how much? Will u claim it as a deduction?

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@mobama#debate/use a hand signal&tell; him to turn up the heat!

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@obama#taxes/tear him a new one Obama!

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@romney#goingbigpotty/You have a new one after Obama disciplined U on Libya!

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Obama Runs Roughshod Over Romney**

*Ann starts knocking over chairs and cursing post debate while sons not paying attention asking, "is it was over yet"?*

[WASHINGTON] The numbers are in. The highly anticipated 2nd Presidential debate has been scored as follows:

Obama **68** Crowley **24** Romney **8**

The Hofstra hoedown decidedly was won by President Obama Tuesday night. The listening public chose not to drink Romney island iced tea and instead allowed the "Light of Long Island", Barack Obama, to articulate fact over fiction. Shortly after tonight's debate Mitt Romney, ever the job creator, had supporters polishing Mr. Romney's shoes and delivering his new suits to be dry cleaned, pressed and gilded in time for the next debate.

http://www.romneysucksforamerica-but-wears-nice-suits-shiny-shoes/cult/liantigni

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Correction** Ben Craig & Josh were cited as saying, "is it over yet?", while Matt was asking "was it over?", Tagg & 36 other boys who bore a striking resemblance to Mr. Romney (and several active female LDS in attendance) were playing foosball, eating chips and in unison cheering "go dad' in the Hofstra student lounge.

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 9:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This just in! Mitt Romney taps Warren Jeffs to head Domestic policy in future administration.

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcTDE5stw7w

The first 55 seconds sums it up quite well.

Quite well indeed!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

nailingit — October 16, 2012 at 10:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


They both, largely propose government solutions to all manner of issues.

Just the same, Romney to a lesser extent.

Bias taints one’s view, and extreme bias taints one’s view extremely. Looking at the FB comments, this seems apparent. Once again. I don’t think there was any clear winner. There seldom is in these type of things. In spite of the spin.

I thought Romney’s best moment was about the embassy attack. As far as I’m concerned, at one point, Obama didn’t even know what to say.

Aside from that, there are any number of things in which the facts are in dispute. Gee, imagine that.

What I find interesting is, this was actually a debate, not the usual smiling at each other and playing nice.

In the early going, they reminded me of a couple of boxers getting their instructions from the ref, while staring each other down. I think they were a little more candid that the usual fare.

As I stated several months ago, I think you extremist leftists, are going to be very surprised by the election results. Just like Wisconsin. If so, you may wish to consider why that is.

kn_dalai — October 16, 2012 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yeah they were Joe. Real sketchy. Etch a sketchy!

**Joe Biden: Mitt Romney 'Had Nothing But A Sketchy Response To Everything'**

"Everything is sketchy," Biden said in an interview aired Wednesday on NBC's "Today" show.

"There's no direct answers to any questions," he added, saying that he suspects the answers are vague because Romney's policies, "really do mirror the policies of George Bush on the economy, and they don't want to talk about it."

He said he thought President Barack Obama did an "incredible job" in the debate on ABC's "Good Morning America," and added, "I thought it was incredible that Governor Romney had nothing but a sketchy response to everything."

read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/joe-biden-sketchy_n_1973020.html

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


k_nd @ 11:23- *As I stated several months ago, I think you extremist leftists, are going to be very surprised by the election results. Just like Wisconsin. If so, you may wish to consider why that is.*

You're overstating positives with the recall election. The Democrats now control the State Senate. The Wisconsin electorate won big time. Walker has to govern now instead of following/carrying out orders from the plutocrats who financed his campaign.

No surprises then and expecting little now. Remembering that Bush was elected...twice...reminds me of the sweeping idiocy that can overcome a good % of the electorate come election time. With high unemployment, a huge deficit mixed with all the secret PAC Romney money, it's amazing it's even close.

Sketchy at best.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


NAIL-+
"Be prepared Obama! These Right Wingers will latch on to anything Romney says and believe it to be gospel. Like poor misguided sheep being led to the fiscal slaughter. Be clear, concise and visionary. Speak to the Romney lies and address America's concerns"

What a hyprocrcy or Crock as I would be not PC...Our president will go down in history as one of the worst if not worst and yet.. He has the lowest approval rating of any president that has won an election and the worst of any sitting president seeking re election...

His Military leaders and rank and file can't stand him and he has yet to come up with any strategy to create jobs..

Obama is great at taking credit for things he actually hasn't done.. That's how he won the Noble peace prize... The facts remain. Obama hasn't done much as president except divide the people of our nation even more. To stand on the stage and say Romney is for paying a different tax rate than average Joe is simply not true. If average Joe earned his money the same way as Romney they would be afforded the same tax rates.

What this election boils down to is can the US and the world have 4 more years of what Obama has done and plans to do. This world will not be safer nor will the US be better off....What is Obamas plan for Job creation? for foreign Policy?

vanwadreamer — October 17, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Did you vote the Palin/McCain ticket in 08'?

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Bush/Cheney in 2000 & 2004?

And you're giving advice? :)))))

Republican mantra. Elect Republicans because they can fix Republican screw ups quicker than the a Democrat.

Obama might not get elected because he hasn't fixed Republican screw ups quick enough. Some people want to elect Romney who has the same policies as the one who screwed them up to begin with to fix them faster. Ya gotta love it!

Think people.

Let's try not screwing things up from the get go.

Afghanistan, Iraq, the economy, Wall Street, taxes etc., Democrats are always left to clean up the mess Republicans leave. It's why they're afraid of a second Obama term. Conservatives by definition resent and resist change.

Maybe it's why Republicans make so many messes. It takes four years to clean them up and move forward. By that time a fickle low info public will forget history and clamor for change.

None can make a bigger mess than Romney/Ryan.

Who knows how long it will take to clean up the next Republican mess.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


More cut & paste from commenters on Beck's "The Blaze" website.

It's not only sad, it's...cRAzY!

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mitt Romney's still unreleased tax returns: What is he hiding?**

The real reason we need to examine 'Romney's previous tax returns is to see if he puts his money where his mouth is. The two he has released are eye-openers.

The 2011 return has 267 pages devoted to offshore corporations and partnerships. Reuters' Lynnley Browning reported that $4.5 million of the Romneys' long-term capital gains for 2011 came from foreign assets and $3.5 million from foreign income. The New York Times noted that Romney invested $77,262 in CNOOC Limited, the Chinese state-owned oil company, and in the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China. He also had large investments in a Swiss bank, a Luxembourg steel company and machinery companies in Denmark and Japan. (These were all sold on Aug. 10, 2011, the day before Romney debated his Republican rivals in Iowa and before he started blasting President Barack Obama for being soft on Chinese trade policies.)

To explain all this foreign activity, Bradford R. Malt, 'Romney's tax wizard, said, "These are investments in third-party entities. Suppose I buy 100 shares of Toyota stock. I do not have a Japanese account. I have 100 shares of Toyota stock." (This is true of some of 'Romney's foreign activities, but not others, such as Sankaty, the Bermuda shell corporation "wholly owned" by him, and the Swiss bank account that tax expert Lee Sheppard in Forbes called a "bet against America.")

Malt's Toyota analogy makes you wonder: Was Romney investing in Toyota when he wrote that 2008 op-ed recommending that General Motors go bankrupt?

..

Ann Romney played the victim card, going on TV to claim the "more we release, the more we get attacked." Let's just point out that Obama released 12 years of his returns. But, as Ann Romney surely knows, hers and 'her husband's are not garden-variety returns. Bermuda shell corporations, Swiss bank accounts, investments in 30 offshore corporations and partnerships in tax havens -- and this in just the two Romney returns prettified for public consumption -- raise important questions about Mitt Romney's commitment to America. They will be answered only if he comes clean with the rest of his returns.

With so many red flags blazing around the Romneys' finances, it's a scandal they have not been forced to disclose more. Equally disturbing is that Mitt Romney, who claims his father as a role model, continues to betray his father's legacy of integrity.
Man up, Mitt. Stop dishonoring your father. Release the decade's worth of tax returns from before your current campaign for the presidency.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/10/mitt_romneys_still_unreleased.html

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit all you said is where he got his information, which may or may not be true, where he got his information not the content, You are showing no proof. Neither are you showing any proof that what he said was not true. That leads me to believe you have nothing to refute what he said. Therefore it must be true or you would defiantly refute it with proof to back you up.

As fore as Romneys tax returns. He has disclosed all that he is legally required to divulge. What I think would be fair is that he would release his tax returns and President Obama would release his collage records. Neither is required by law to do that, but wouldn't it be a fair thing to do?

rincon1 — October 17, 2012 at 1:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn-dalai m, Is your spell checker to the right broken?

soapbox4u — October 17, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon- I spoke to the Blaze reference, not only for it's absurdity and lack of facts, but to this crazy persona who is unable to create her own thoughts.

Bush used his veto power eleven times during his eight years in office. All eleven were in his final two years as President. :)) Need I say more?

The Dems did not hold a super majority in the Senate (not to mention Leiberman is not a democrat) or the House in Obama's first two years. Republicans ruled with a record number of filibusters. Some things are just ridiculous to refute when they are so wrong on their face. Although I know the right has been echoing this for so long they're starting to believe it.

A reminder...

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/03/13641077-a-fleeting-illusory-supermajority?lite

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 2:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon- Please tell me the reason/reasons why you want to see President Obama's college transcripts and how it relates to this election.

Romney's tax returns would speak to Romney's business success and decision making, giving the electorate a window into his business dealings and how he might shape policy.

How would Obama's transcript release affect anything?

*you would defiantly refute it with proof* I don't do "defiantly" too much! No need. Just the facts mixed with some understandable partisanship! :)

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*It's because of idiots like this we need laws made at the Federal level. Why are so many on the right so irresponsible with their vote? Separation of WHAT?*

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) stated on Tuesday that the legacy of slavery in the United States was a particularly ugly moment in the nation's history, but that the situation now is even worse.

Speaking on a conference call with far-right pastor Rick Scarborough, Gohmert warned listeners that the nation could be coming "toward the end of [its] existence," as evidenced by its leaders and citizens allegedly neglecting to remain true to biblical teachings.

"We strayed away different times. Andrew Jackson’s time was not a great time, different times slavery was a blot on our existence," Gohmert said. "But the trouble is we have never as an entire nation overall been so far away from God’s teaching and so openly rebelling, even from the top, against God’s teachings in the Bible."

Gohmert frequently speaks about what he sees as the degradation of religious principles in American society. Over the summer he blamed the supposed trend for the mass-shooting in Aurora, Colo.

Read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/louie-gohmert-slavery_n_1974425.html

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1- Is it one or more of these 4 reasons listed?

**Why fringe conservatives are obsessed with Obama's college grades: 4 theories
Birthers are so 2011 — meet the "transcripters," who fervently believe Obama was a lousy student and vow not to rest until you know how he did in school 30 years ago**

http://theweek.com/article/index/231692/why-conservatives-are-obsessed-with-obamas-college-grades-4-theories

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I find posts like the one @ 12:21, 22, 23 fascinating. These types of fractured/formulated talking points are put together by some RW blogger, then distributed throughout the right wing blogging world, so those who can't carry a discussion can rely on this kind of crap. They become some kind of chain letter and multitudes of fringe right sites/memes adopt and reproduce them.

Kinda like a telemarketer without the tele. Just enter a search on a sentence or phrase from the write that is produced, and it's amazing what comes up. Mass Plagiarism of skewed politics 101. I don't know if the left does this type of thing, I hope not. A search can also reveal someone passing off others writes as their own which is not cool. Again, fascinating.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> kn-dalai m [sic], Is [sic] your spell checker to the right broken? -- soapbox4u — October 17, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I would guess you also have no idea what you're talking about.

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.

Interesting comment considering that most of your posts are just regurgitating talking points from some left wing blogger.

frobert — October 17, 2012 at 4:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Groan.

What are we going to talk about come Nov 7?

roger — October 17, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nov 8th?

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- It goes to point on facts and credibility. We can consume a provable well rounded diet or pig out on zucchini bread and lard. We are what we eat, so to speak.

roger- *What are we going to talk about come Nov 7?* Election 2016? Will Hill run? Bubba back in the house? Will the Republicans garner less respect than the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes Lodge No. 26? Will the GOP be reduced to "rubble"? Will Michele Bachman become the Grand Poobah?

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ah kn_dalaim (use articulation to understand not the connotative) or just be a playa instead da laim. You are never one to disappoint. Two thumbs up for you bud:)

soapbox4u — October 17, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Off the deep end she has.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit, I really don't care about his collage records. He says they are all in order. It was just a suggestion as a sort of compromise. Neither one said they did anything wrong. So let them prove it and lay the matter to rest. I wonder, do you also condemn ex-pres. Clinton for his 18 vetoes like you do ex-pres. Bush. for his 11.

rincon1 — October 17, 2012 at 6:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> frobert- It goes to point on facts and credibility. We can consume a provable well rounded diet or pig out on zucchini bread and lard. We are what we eat, so to speak. -- nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.

Nailingit says " well rounded diet" .. Wow! Just Wow!

> rincon- I spoke to the Blaze reference, not only for it's absurdity and lack of facts, but to this crazy persona who is unable to create her own thoughts. -- nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.

I came onboard here, about a year before you did. One of the first things I noticed, and commented on, was that your big hero was utterly incapable of making his own arguments, instead relying on quotes from one Leftist rag after another, to make his points for him. I found this to be true in any "discussion" that I ever had with him. While he was always quick to needle others for "sources" etc. he would not provide his own sources whenever he might actually state some opinion of his own.

> They become some kind of chain letter and multitudes of fringe right sites/memes adopt and reproduce them. -- nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.

Did you ever check out the LTTE which I referenced @kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. The "facts" of which the "hate R. Reagan" letter writer, are disputed in comments by a railroad employee union representative of the time. Perhaps the letter writer's allegations are one example of the "chain letter", "adopt and reproduce" them mentality which you refer to.

Bias taints one's view, and extreme bias taints one's view extremely.

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit, sorry it was a typo I meant definatly. Don't know how to spell it and the spellchecke won't help me.

rincon1 — October 17, 2012 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK, crazy, I get it. And to an extent, I agree. But I have to ask a few questions--

1) lack of education/relevant skills is what employers are saying is holding back hiring. How is Romney going to address that? Generally, education funding is gonna take a whack, (typical conservative move- Big Bird's gonna take a cut)how does that jive? That oughta fix things, yea right.

2) with the demographics such as they are, a lot of old folks like me are moving out of the work force and removing our productivity-such as it is-what or who's going to replace us? I see nothing on the horizon to replace us as we remove ourselves from the workforce and hunker down in retirement. Whether Romney/Ryan is in the White House or Obama/Biden, what's gonna change that? As we-the old duffers-draw more SS & Medicare (please note, these things are not some government give-away, I PAID for that stuff) do you believe Ryan's voucher plan will fix anything? If his screwy vouchers save a damn dime, it's because benefits that me and you have probably paid for are being cut-SCREW THAT. Granted these cuts will probably be phased in,and may or may not screw us old duffers, but the rationale is the same. Screw those folks, not these. If you want to go to vouchers and take your chances in the health insurance market, go for it. My mom had a set-up with Medicare (for which my father PAID for) and a $128/mo supplement that pretty much covered her medical expenses. Wanna trade that for a Ryan plan? WIth vouchers that won't come anywhere near covering the actual cost? Go for it-just be careful what you wish for-you might get it.

It's not so much the little crap that makes this election important, it's the future stuff that matters. Planned Parenthood?-gimme a break. Typical red herring kinda thing. A drop in the bucket, and a small, insignificant one at that.

mrd — October 17, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1- *nailingit, I really don't care about his collage records.*

Then why did you bring it up? A presidential candidate showing his tax returns has precedent. Please rincon1, speak freely. Do the four talking points @ 3:18 ring a bell?

*I wonder, do you also condemn ex-pres. Clinton for his 18 vetoes like you do ex-pres. Bush. for his 11.*

"Bush used his veto power eleven times during his eight years in office. All eleven were in his final two years as President. :)) Need I say more?"

How is my statement condemning Bush or anyone else's veto's? I was commenting as to the time frame of a majored Dem congress and when Bush chose to exercise his veto power.

Is there a full moon tonight?

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"big hero" "Wow! "Just Wow!"

Republicans. Always with the drama.

*I came onboard here, about a year before you did. One of the first things I noticed, and commented on, was that your big hero was utterly incapable of making his own arguments, instead relying on quotes from one Leftist rag after another, to make his points for him. I found this to be true in any "discussion" that I ever had with him. While he was always quick to needle others for "sources" etc. he would not provide his own sources whenever he might actually state some opinion of his own.*

It sounds to me like,

(A) You have unresolved issues with another poster.

(B) If it's mr_basil_seal perhaps you should send him a message telling him all about your negative feelings and move on.

(C) If it is Basil I remember how frustrated you would become when he would show you where you were wrong on issues. Let your ego fall by the wayside, it is then you will experience truth grasshopper.

(D) You are in the throes of displaced anxiety. Breathe in deeply, like Clinton smokin' a J. Now hold your breath for seven minutes.

ticktockticktocktickto...

Now let it out slowly and stay away from the light.

*Did you ever check out the LTTE which I referenced @kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. The "facts" of which the "hate R. Reagan" letter writer, are disputed in comments by a railroad employee union representative of the time. Perhaps the letter writer's allegations are one example of the "chain letter", "adopt and reproduce" them mentality which you refer to.*

Perhaps...

*Bias taints one's view, and extreme bias taints one's view extremely.*

Well, I suppose that's one way to put it. Try to read the HuffPo a little more and open up your life's periodical's.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Speaking of...where is mr_basil_seal anyway?

mr_basil_seal- kn_d is not the only one who laments your absence. In addition to kn_dalai, many of us have missed the info you provide to the forum.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.

Once again, you have fluffed things off without responding to anything at all.

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Once again, you have fluffed things off without responding to anything at all.*

It's not all that easy, but does come somewhat natural.

kn_d- In all seriousness, articles/references many times provide a solid baseline for conversation. They can provide a good starting point for discussion as well as accommodate fact checking (depending on the write).

Some of you guys on the right really get carried away if one removes all the boundaries. Credible articles help keep some of you on point and at the same time provide you with some mainstream thinking.

"A man is not an island unto himself."

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What's up with the sardines, two lemons and foliage. Have I yet again missed a point you're making?

Does it represent a joke?

What is fishy, sour and partially covered with foliage?

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 9:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Of course, I never mentioned the other poster by name.

I see that you immediately knew who I might be referring to as; “your big hero”.

Good.

It took a while, but at least we finally got that straightened out.

Now that’s REAL progress. (BTW, does he have a fan club? And are you by any chance the president of aforementioned fan club? And are there any members other than you, and of course the unamed poster himself?)

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Who else would it be kn_d? You speak often of and about him. :))

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 9:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqBwX...

kn_d, you seem to have some heart. You've gotten off course at some point and never corrected. You're driving on a dirt road somewhere in Bulgaria.

You've been snared into a boxed ideological mindset predicated on hope, falsehoods and unfairly compounded with a pre-disposed resentment for Sean Connery.

Grab the vine.

Grab the vine.

Yea I say unto thee, grab the vine.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Excuse the change-of-subject, but this really concerns me:

Frank Blethen, publisher/owner of the Seattle Times and a couple of his business operations people, have actually purchased, with ST funds, two political ads, one supporting Rob McKenna, the other supporting marriage equality and will be running these $75,000 each ads until the election. He is hoping to tap into the political ad coffers that only TV and radio seem to enjoy.

His paper is dying and he is selling his reporters' ethical souls to the devil.

The reporters are pissed and are circulating a letter that they are signing to protest this madness and present to him. This is big news and is making its way East as I type.

How far will newspapers whore themselves to stay afloat? His managing editor claims not to have known a thing until AFTER it was decided. The Stranger is following this well:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/10/17/reporters-at-the-seattle-times-dismayed-working-on-letter-of-protest-to-publisher-frank-blethen

manthou — October 17, 2012 at 10:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- It well be interesting to watch how this story trends with public opinion. Plutocracy is becoming a reality in our lifetime. Ethics & integrity are being pushed out the door.

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 10:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> A man is not an island unto himself. -- nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:59 p.m.

Where did you get that quote from?

Perhaps you meant: No man is an island”. I’ve used that quote myself at least once before on the forum.

Here is the complete quote:

> No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. -- John Donne

It was once an “answer” on “final jeopardy”.

John Donne. You know...one of those 16th century guys whose ideas you think are obsolete in this age.

The righteousness of the observation cannot be denied. So what. There is voluntary and there is mandatory. There is freedom of association and then there is a beaurocratic hell hole, which I imagine even beaurocrats can’t even stand. No one has ever walked a mile in anyone else’s shoes. It is most certainly the reason for the notion of limited government. When referring to crime and punishment, John Locke stated it as something like: “we are all partial to ourselves”.

Try telling your ideas about : “We’re all in this together” to various factions in the middle east. The ramifications of that doesn’t even fly with any two people, in the same room, here in Clark County. And this is the basis of your political philosophy?

Did I ever tell you about that pie in the sky I once saw. I reported my sighting to NORAD, but they laughed at me.

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 10:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> What's up with the sardines, two lemons and foliage. Have I yet again missed a point you're making? -- nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

I refer you to my comments regarding "growth management" @ kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at noon.

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*A man is not an island unto himself. -- nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:59 p.m.*

*Where did you get that quote from?*

The [skroW of lian tigni] 'cyclical nature' series; soulful prestidigitation on ice ch.4 v.3/9-6

*I refer you to my comments regarding "growth management" @ kn_dalai — October 15, 2012 at noon.*

So you're endorsing cannibalism?

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 10:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This will be on the front page of many newspapers tomorrow:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019458942_adcampaign18m.html

Please Columbian, no matter how desperate you are for revenue, don't follow suit.

manthou — October 17, 2012 at 10:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 10:43 p.m.

WHAT?

Is this some sort of joke? Just some more words strung together without conveyance of meaning?

kn_dalai — October 17, 2012 at 11:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal



did you know it takes 4-5 minutes to strangle a person?

DeeLittle — October 18, 2012 at 2:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — October 16, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.

So the rising in Delaware is only partially attributable to the melting poles. The initial post sounded as though the warming was the exclusive blame.

danabwoodley — October 18, 2012 at 7:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 7:24- Well that's just... crazy! Hopefully your zucchini bread sets better than the constant barrage of cheap shots you cook up! :))

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mitt Romney Encouraged Business Owners To Advise Employees How To Vote**

"I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections," Romney said. "And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope, I hope you pass those along to your employees."

He continued: "Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision, and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well. I particularly think our young kids ... they need to understand that American runs on a strong and vibrant business and we need businesses growing and thriving this country."

Romney is correct that such behavior is not illegal. After the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, which greatly expanded corporations and unions' political speech, employers can legally compel workers to participate in political campaigns.

However, the practice is often controversial. Westgate Resorts CEO David Siegel gained national attention when he emailed his employees to argue that Obama's policies would "threaten" their jobs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.

What does Citizens United have to do with discussing your political views with employees? This has always been considered "protected speech".

frobert — October 18, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


cRaZy- Here is your attention for the day. Sorry to take away your latest obsession, but you get a golden star for blurring the lines anyway! Bing Bing Bing! :))

**Migraine, not stroke turned reporter's speech to gibberish**

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700111221/Migraine-not-stroke-turned-reporters-speech-to-gibberish.html?pg=all

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.

What difference does it make what debilitating medical condition caused it?

frobert — October 18, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- *After the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, which greatly expanded corporations and unions' political speech,*

I suppose interpretation has something to do with it. Look for lawsuits in the future which would inevitably wind up in the hands of the 9.

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.

Citizens United, deals with political advertisements by corporations, it has nothing to do with discussing your political positions with employees. Citizens United did not "expand" anything, it just confirmed that the government can't limit political speech because it is made by groups of people rather than individual people.

frobert — October 18, 2012 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*What difference does it make what debilitating medical condition caused it?*

Sometimes I forget just how empathetic and politically correct conservatives are! :))) You're right. With your reasoning a common cold, a hang nail, athlete's foot etc. would excuse inordinate behavior.

Maybe that's what happened with Obama the first debate. Perhaps he was upset concerning Mitt's halitosis and it threw him into a tail spin of psychological madness producing a catatonic state which we saw in Obama 1st debate.

I'm sorry I criticized Obama, knowing now it could have been the result of some unconfirmed malady.

Amazing what crosses some of you pick up....

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert @ 8:58- I'm sure defining corporate influences who apply arguably coercive techniques to subordinate employees in order to do their masters political bidding will never come up.

Definitions within definitions. It's another spawn of the begat theory.

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Crazy-
You know that isn't true. It wasn't Altitude sickness but "ATTITUDE" sickness. He has a bull$$hit attitude towards anything but his agenda... His pre election 2008 promises have almost all virtually not come to fruition. That's because he was able to brain wash so many into thinking his way. The only problem is he didn't have a plan. I saw that after the second democratic debate.

So many drank his Hope and Change Kool-Aid.. Now look what we have... Were currently on the verge of Bankruptcy and he still doesn't have a budget more or less a plan..

Nail- can you splain what Obama's plan is.. Maybe you could check the HUFF POST I’m sure they have it posted somewhere deep into there abyss...

Nail- You asked me who I voted for in 2008- Well I would have Voted for Hillary if she could have beat out Obama, because I knew she would have Appointed William Sec of State and we would have been in much better shape today if that would have happened. William would have been able to create a much better bridge to those who want to harm the US. Hillary as Obamas Sec State is only doing the best she can as Obama makes a mess of our foreign policy. His ineptitude is egregious at best. I saw3 through all this during the debates. He never had a plan nor does he have one for the next 4 years

vanwadreamer — October 18, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*It's not so much the little crap that makes this election important, it's the future stuff that matters.*

mrd — October 17, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.

Remember people. A great chance one or more Supreme Court Justices seats will be filled during next term. Do you want a court with a 6-3 or 7-2 conservative rule? America would be screwing the pooch for more than a generation if this were to happen. Time for some of you right wing repressed regressives to put your thinking caps on for a change and question your own party about a few things.

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vanwa-*Nail- You asked me who I voted for in 2008-*

Sooooo, you're not going to answer?

Why is it so many on the right are reluctant to say who they voted for? :)))

Can't say as I blame them. Remember conservatives/republicans, life is ever changing. Don't let ego, pride or stupidity stand in the way of changing your viewpoints. It's okay to embrace your liberal leftist self. Step into the light!

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal



nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.

How is a conservative Supreme Court a bad thing? Most of our ills are caused by the fact that even the so called conservatives are too liberal.

frobert — October 18, 2012 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- *How is a conservative Supreme Court a bad thing?*

Kind of like asking Stalin how he governed by the numbers. Those that are religiously rigid in their belief system no doubt would love a conservative court.

We would not have the sane without the insane, nor the insane without the sane.

Usually the norm wins out. I think that's what the old farts had in mind who framed our society.

Here's hoping for the best...

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

I actually cast my ballott for myself. I knew what needed to be done and I wouldn't have needed Geitner to tell me what not to do. On top of that I would not have given bailout money to GM or Chrysler.. It would have turned around without them they only spent 30 days in Banko but kept there doors open... The problem is if all the unions would have felt the rath they would have come out even better afterwards.

The government doesn't need to bail out companies at the expense of average joe. So it looks like you'll be happy paying allott more in taxes if Obama is elected...

There are a couple things that could happen right now that would turn the US economy around on a dime if institued... I have to go for now and will see ya on the flip side...

vanwadreamer — October 18, 2012 at 11:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Nail,*

*I actually cast my ballott for myself.*

Well there ya go. Speaks volumes. I have a sneaking suspicion that those who gripe the loudest about government either throw their vote away like you or don't even bother to participate in the process.

You have no room to gripe about anything presidential. Are you to bothered to vote locally as well? Given your balloting egocentricity, do you just vote for yourself then?

(Republicans. At least they do society a few favors)

Counting on your vanwa vote again vanwa.

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Man, these guys are dropping quicker than "fly's".

**Dinesh D'Souza Resigns As President of King's College Amid Scandal**

D'Souza's former positions include being a policy analyst for president Ronald Reagan's administration. He is best-known for his controversial criticisms of President Barack Obama, such as the film "2016: Obama's America," which was based on his earlier book, The Roots of Obama's Rage. His 2007 book, What's So Great About Christianity, propelled him into being a sought-after Christian public speaker.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/dinesh-dsouza-resigns-kings-college_n_1980614.html

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Insightful!!! To include the second debate, common sense and a critter called FOX!!!

**Rachel Maddow: Conservative Conspiracy Theories Are 'Bull' (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/rachel-maddow-republicans-conspiracy-theories_n_1978750.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir;=Politics

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 12:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Remember people. A great chance one or more Supreme Court Justices seats will be filled during next term. Do you want a court with a 6-3 or 7-2 conservative rule?

I didn't think of that, but in light of the grater scheme of things, not sure how much it matters anymore. Follow the money kinda government. I'm figuring on a government default or some hocus-pocus coverup of default within a decade, so all this won't matter too much.

mrd — October 18, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature;=related

Good vid put together by a Ron Paul supporter.

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**New lie: The government spends more on welfare than everything else!**

*Senate Republicans redefine "welfare" to make it sound very expensive*

The con is pretty easy to see when you read the actual CRS report. Senate Republicans are counting 83 separate (and wildly different) programs as “welfare” in order to make the case that the government is spending more on poor people than old people. The majority of this money is Medicaid and CHIP, which are healthcare spending, which is increasing for the same reason that Medicare spending is increasing, which is that healthcare costs are increasing. (And Medicaid is much less generous than Medicare, because it is a program for poor people, not old people.) But so many other things now also count as welfare, including Pell Grants, public works spending, Head Start, child support enforcement, the Child Tax Credit, Foster Care assistance, housing for old people, and much more. They’re also counting the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is, traditionally, the form of “welfare” that conservative Republicans actually support. Basically, all social spending (though specifically not spending on rich old people or on healthcare for veterans with service-related disabilities, which Republicans requested be excluded from the CRS report) now counts as “welfare.”

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/18/new_lie_the_government_spends_more_on_welfare_than_everything_else/

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — October 18, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.

You could just post a video of what the Ron Paul people think of Obama.

frobert — October 18, 2012 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — October 18, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.

Obviously a Democrat - she thinks the gov't can direct the deer where to go to cross a road.

roger — October 18, 2012 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Someone is unhinged and crapping gold bricks today! :))))

frobert- *You could just post a video of what the Ron Paul people think of Obama.*

Feel free to do so. I ran across the vid looking for anti-Romney crap, so I "dared" to post it! :))))

At first I had to think who Ron Paul was. Where is he anyway? Somewhere in Tahiti spending all that hard earned campaign cash?

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqc...

Here's your bone "craZY"

*No soul just a deep dark void..a true internet troll*

*you are for sure!!! Ignorant, divisive, vindictive, insensitive, cruel...*

*Oh My what a wicked web you do try to weave. Why don't you just come right out and say it...*

*INSTIGATOR/BULLY/VICTIM = TROLL*

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 7:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Geeeeeze, I've been away for a while and after reading all this crap, I guess I haven't missed a thing. Good on you, guys.

hawkeye — October 18, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mitt’s economic director lobbied against China currency legislation**

*Former Wall Street lobbyist fought against the very thing Romney has pledged*

Mitt Romney has pledged that if elected president, he will sign an executive order declaring China a currency manipulator. Think Progress suggested Thursday, however, that this might sit ill with one of his campaign’s recent employees.

With the revolving door between Washington and Wall Street still spinning behind him, Pierce Scranton became Romney’s economic policy director in August, having worked as a top lobbyist for JPMorgan Chase. (He is listed as JPMorgan’s executive director of the bank’s lobbying department on public federal documents filed in 2012.) Think Progress reported that “While Scranton oversaw JP Morgan’s lobbying, the bank also lobbied against legislation meant to address Chinese trade and currency manipulation. JP Morgan and other banks and financial services companies lobbied against the bill.” Scranton fought the very legislation Romney would crystallize in an executive order.

Of course, it’s unproblematic that Scranton might have lobbied for one thing on behalf of former company, JPMorgan, and could push for counterposed legislation under his new employer, Romney. Viewed generously, Scranton’s previous lobbying over Chinese currency control serves as a rare example in highlighting where Romney’s position on something opposes that of major Wall Street banks. But his position in the Romney campaign also could raise questions about whether Romney’s China pledge is a bluff. But, of course, when a revolving door spins so fast, it’s hard to see what’s really going on.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/18/romneys_economic_director_lobbied_against_china_currency_legislation/

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Agree with it or not, interesting take on the latest Romney camp gaffe.

**Tagg Romney: Mr. White Privilege**

*Tagg Romney admits he'd like to slug Obama, becoming the latest white man that thinks he can say whatever he wants*

Tagg Romney, grandson of George Romney, son of Mitt Romney, is the latest flesh-and-blood embodiment of White Privilege on the national presidential stage. Though that stage has historically been a catwalk for the whitest and most privileged in the world, Tagg is in a class few achieve. With his lineage and his inherited wealth he equals George W. Bush when it comes to getting advantages by virtue of nothing more than whose crotch he popped out of in the hospital delivery room.

..

In a post-debate interview with a North Carolina radio station, Tagg was asked about his visceral reaction to President Obama, and he said his first thought was that he wanted to “jump out of your seat and you want to rush down to the stage and take a swing at him.” He then laughed and added, “But you know you can’t do that because, well, first because there’s a lot of Secret Service between you and him.”

One of the hallmarks of White Privilege is the unquestioned and largely unchallenged assumption that white people can say heinous things about people of color without blowback or even mild criticism — things that people of color rarely dare to say about white people, for fear of serious retribution. Tagg — aka Mr. White Privilege — proves the point perfectly. He feels totally comfortable fantasizing about committing physical violence against an African-American man. And remember, he’s not just any white guy pondering such grotesque dreams. On the contrary, he’s one of the public faces of a national presidential campaign appearing in a public media interview, meaning White Privilege has made him feel so comfortable airing such notions, that he didn’t hesitate to whimsically broadcast them to thousands of voters.

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If that’s not enough proof that this episode is a profound example of the pervasiveness of White Privilege, then simply go through the mental exercise of switching the races. Ask yourself: Would the media reaction be similarly muted if a young black male relative of Obama appeared on a radio show and publicly fantasized about violently bludgeoning Mitt Romney? No, it would be the opposite. It would be a multi-day, above-the-fold, 100-point-typeface story initially fueled by Drudge, Fox News and right-wing radio hosts, and then pervading the network news shows. We’d soon see headlines about security beefing up around Romney and his entourage, as staid “Face the Nation” and “Meet the Press” panels — populated by mostly white faces, of course — paternalistically lamented the “race issue” in America.

Read more @

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/18/tagg_romney_mr_white_privilege/

(A quick note, Lawrence O'donnell just called out Tag Romney to fight! :))

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Such vitriol! :))

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

Grumpy even has his jammies on!

*No one listens to you, nothing but LWTP spewed out like a fire hose.*

*None are so anti-Christian as you, are you Islamic by chance?*

*You work for the paper...*

*So yes, INSTIGATOR/BULLY/VICTIM = TROLL fits you quite well.*

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Obama Was Allegedly Considered As A Target In Terrorism Plot**

NEW YORK — Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis was a terrible student in his native Bangladesh, and his middle-class parents say he persuaded them to send him off to study in the U.S. as a way of improving his job prospects.

At the Missouri college where he enrolled, one classmate said Nafis often remarked that true Muslims don't believe in violence – an image that seemed startlingly at odds with Nafis' arrest in an FBI sting this week on charges of trying to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in New York with what he thought was a 1,000-pound car bomb.

"I can't imagine being more shocked about somebody doing something like this," said Jim Dow, a 54-year-old Army veteran who rode home from class with Nafis twice a week. "I didn't just meet this kid a couple of times. We talked quite a bit, sir. And this doesn't seem to be in character."

Federal investigators, often accused by defense attorneys of entrapping and leading would-be terrorists along, said the 21-year-old Nafis made the first move over the summer, reaching out for accomplices and eventually contacting a government informant, who then went to federal authorities.

They said he also selected his target, drove the van loaded with dummy explosives up to the door of the bank, and tried to set off the bomb from a hotel room using a cellphone he thought had been rigged as a detonator.

During the investigation, he and the informant corresponded via Facebook and other social media, talked on the phone and met in hotel rooms, according to a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Nafis spoke of his admiration for Osama bin Laden, talked of writing an article about his plot for an al-Qaida-affiliated magazine, and said he would be willing to be a martyr but preferred to go home to his family after carrying out the attack, authorities said. And he also talked about wanting to kill President Barack Obama and bomb the New York Stock Exchange, a law enforcement official said.

Investigators said in court papers that he came to the U.S. bent on jihad and worked out the specifics of a plot when he arrived. While Nafis believed he had the blessing of al-Qaida and was acting on behalf of the terrorist group, he has no known ties, according to federal officials.

Nafis, who at the time of his arrest Wednesday was working as a busboy at a restaurant in Manhattan, was jailed without bail. His attorney has not commented on the case, but in other instances where undercover agents and sting operations were used, lawyers have argued entrapment.

Read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/obama-terror-attack_n_1978780.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MADORE$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Couldn't even keep his money local. Went to his California connects for advertising. It appears no one is willing to fund his campaign except himself.

Some interesting FB comments leaving Lew twisting in the wind with nothing but childish retorts.

**Madore has given campaign more than $300,000, records show**

*He has spent twice as much as any other local office candidate in state*

**Wealthy businessman David Madore has $329,542 in his campaign war chest — $314,267 of it his own money and $5,898 in-kind contributions from his company, U.S. Digital — and has spent $266,214** so far in his effort to defeat Clark County Commissioner Marc Boldt.

**Cash and in-kind contributions from Madore supporters total approximately $9,000.**

Updated reports filed with the state Public Disclosure Commission show **Madore, a Republican, has spent more than twice as much money than any other candidate for local office statewide.**

Ridgefield businessman Joe Tanner, who has raised $132,833 in his race against Clark County Commissioner Tom Mielke, has spent $117,086, the second-highest amount among local candidates statewide. Tanner, a Democrat, has put $31,000 of his own money into his campaign, and lent his campaign $10,000.

Ballots were mailed this week for the Nov. 6 general election.

**Boldt, a Republican seeking his third term, has raised $80,850 and spent $67,620, none of which is his own money.**

Mielke, a Republican seeking his second term, has raised $24,503 and spent $19,039. He contributed $5 and loaned $2,750 to his campaign.

**Madore has paid a San Francisco company, Dresner, Wickers, Barber and Sanders, a total of $122,947 to create ads and buy time to air them.**

**Madore has paid $13,350 so far to Anna Miller, his campaign manager and member of the Clark County Republican Party’s executive board, which voted to withdraw support for Boldt** for being too moderate before Madore announced his candidacy.

The Clark County Democrats stopped short of endorsing Boldt, but encourage members to vote for him. On the party’s website, it says, “Marc has worked well for the county and with our (Commissioner) Steve Stuart for some time, and deserves to hold his seat over the **apparently power-hungry and bridge-divisive Madore.”**

The Southwest Washington Central Labor Council took a similar approach, as it endorsed Tanner **but instead of endorsing Boldt, wrote, “Oppose David Madore.”**

Read more @

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/oct/18/madore-has-given-campaign-more-300000-records-show/#comments

nailingit — October 18, 2012 at 10:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.

Absolutely right!

And we all know that there is absolutely nothing sketchy about the current adminstration.

(I am sorry, is my sarcasm showing?)

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 5:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*...reminds me of the sweeping idiocy that can overcome a good % of the electorate come election time.*

nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 8:25 a.m.

Like in 2008, right?

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 5:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*What this election boils down to is can the US and the world have 4 more years of what Obama has done and plans to do.*

vanwadreamer — October 17, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.

Actually, I think the more important part that many are not considering is what he hasn't done.

Where is the budget (two years of your party dominance and no budget)? What has your jobs council been up to? (maybe if you attended a meeting you may know) If there are loopholes that allow the wealthy to lower their tax bill that are so "unfair", where is the proposal and signed law that closes those loopholes you also use?

Just saying.

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 5:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 17, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.

What I truly find amazing is that you will condemn a post as drivel when comes from what you consider a RW tainted source. The fact that there is actually truth there doesn't matter.

But of course a source proven to be LW is gospel. Yes I know that HuffPo gathers articles from a variety of sources, but the question is, how many articles from those sources that are critical of the left get published on HuffPo?

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 6:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1 — October 17, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.

Nail is just being true to form. When someone posts something that goes against the left, but cannot be refuted, then just cite it as RW drivel, or insult it in someway.

I expect no less.

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 6:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Way to go, Cap'n Drift!!!

roger — October 19, 2012 at 6:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — October 17, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.

Quite simple-

Nov 7 will be consumed with some condemning and some praising the results of Nov 6.

We will hear stories of the the greatness to come in the next 4 years.

We will hear all the doomsday prophesies of the next 4 years that will take centuries to recover from.

I am sure it will continue on those lines until Jan 21. From that day forward we will start hearing praise of what has happened, or we will hear the damnation of what has happened.

Typical cycle.

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Maybe there should a litmus test of sorts for holding office.*

**Joe Walsh On Abortion: No Exception For 'Life Of The Mother' Thanks To 'Advances In Science And Technology'**

"There is no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing," Walsh continued. The comments were first reported by the Illinois radio station WGN.

"There is no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing, with advances in science and technology," Walsh said, according to the video above. CREDO superPAC, which is opposing Walsh, tipped HuffPost to the comments.

Walsh's remarks echo Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), who similarly relied on an ignorance of science and medicine to proclaim a belief that women's bodies are able to prevent pregnancy in cases of "legitimate rape."

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist," Akin said, setting off a firestorm before the Republican National Convention, including calls for him to resign from the race. Akin now trails his Senate race against Democrat Claire McCaskill.

GOP establishment figures attempted to cast Akin as a lone extremist whose views are outside the mainstream of the party. But Walsh's fresh comments make that distinction more difficult to maintain.

Walsh and Akin, along with GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan (Wis.) cosponsored legislation that would have redefined rape as "forcible rape."

Read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/joe-walsh-abortion-exception_n_1983701.html

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Heres a replay for those that missed this. Very funny with both Romney & Obama doing a great job!*

**Mitt Romney and President Obama yuk it up** **[VIDEOS]**

The Al Smith Dinner in New York is a true test for the modern presidential candidate: Can he deliver hilarious lines written for him by somebody else?

The difficulty is in not cracking up, since the candidates are often hearing the lines for the first time themselves.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82610.html#ixzz29lKYg3FX

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Obama diagnoses GOP nominee with 'Romnesia'**

FAIRFAX, Va — President Obama told a cheering Virginia crowd that Mitt Romney had come down with the symptoms of a mysterious illness that he called "Romnesia."

"He's forgetting what his own positions are and he's betting that you will too," Obama said at a Friday rally on the campus of George Mason University.

"We've got to name this condition that he's going through," Obama said. "I think it's called Romnesia."

It's part of the Obama campaign's attempt to pin Romney down as a right wing ideologue and to keep him from moving to the center in the general election. Early on, the campaign made a strategic choice to portray the GOP nominee as extreme — rather than as a flip-flopping closet moderate.

"I'm not a medical doctor," Obama said at a rally that largely focused on women's issues. "But I do want to go over some of the symptoms with you because i want to make sure nobody else catches it."

Obama cited alleged Romney reversals on equal pay, a woman's right to choose, tax cuts and coal as "symptoms" of Romnesia.

"If you say you're for equal pay for equal work, but you keep refusing to sign a bill that protects equal pay for equal work, you might have Romnesia," Obama said.

Obama said, fortunately, there is a cure for Romnesia.

"Obamacare covers preexisting conditions. We can fix you up. We've got a cure. This is a curable disease," he said.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/obama-diagnoses-gop-nominee-with-romnesia-138989.html

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail-

I knew my "Voting" answer would be wrong no matter how I voted...
I think GO said it best. You are the moderator, the Judge and Jury, you are always right even when you are wrong, you are smarter and more benevolent than all of us mere peons...

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost... From our founding fathers John Quincy Adams...

I guess he was wrong as well....Stay dry my fellow Cellar Dwellers this weekend...

vanwadreamer — October 19, 2012 at 11:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I knew my "Voting" answer would be wrong no matter how I voted...*

*I think GO said it best.* *You are the moderator, the Judge and Jury, you are always right even when you are wrong, you are smarter and more benevolent than all of us mere peons...*

And that is your retort when criticized for writing your name in on a Presidential ballot, even standing behind John Quincy Adams to do so. Then playing the faux goldenoldie victim card to draw sympathy.

Great job vanwa. I'm sure Quincy would be proud.

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOFtm_...

With all the knocks Public Ed has been taking, here's a feel good story about about an inner city school that achieved when given the opportunity. The right would defund Public Ed, to include Title 1 and other programs that publicly assist the needy. Let's not turn Public Ed into a voucher program.

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Who are you to criticize anyone for the way they vote? When did the supreme being stepped down from the throne and put you in it? You really are a piece of work...*

Why do you try and provoke me all the time? If you don't care for my opinion then ignore it as I do yours much of the time. This constant crying out for attention is just ridiculous. I try to not show you too much attention. As I said a couple of weeks ago before your departure, I wish not to enable you.

Move on please.

The study in human behavior continues.

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 3:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Crazy-

Nails response is one I knew he would give.. But is voting for a 3rd party also throwing your vote away??? According to him.. As many as 3-8% in some pres elections have done, heck no... If I don't like the choices for whatever position I'm voting for and I am able to due to being over 35 years old does qualify me to be president as much as Obama, OOpps I'm also a small bus owner who has hired, trained many people and made a profit in each year we've been open.Yeah that's something our president isn't qualified to say because he has never done any of these things.. Wait a minute hasn't he balanced the national Budget, OOpps no, hasn't he created more jobs in the Petroleum Business, Nope, That's righ he has closed more public land to energy production than any other president..Oh yes .. Wow good thing he is doing something more than taking vacations and creating Hope and Change..

vanwadreamer — October 19, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Way to go, Cap'n Drift!!!

roger — October 19, 2012 at 6:26 a.m

So, you did serve aboard the America.
How else to make the connection?
Hey! Shush. Loose lips... ;^)

Drift — October 19, 2012 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift-or should that be Cap'n Drift?

Your book about carriers was-and I'm kinda ashamed to admit it-was the last book I've read, maybe will have to read more now that the rain is falling. Question is, is the book-selling business tanking as is most print media? Seems most folks I know never curled up to Tolkien or whatever. My wife does the Nook thing for her "frebbie Fridays" but if the financial incentive to write is removed, who's gonna write? Frankly, the days of the starving artists are, IMO, gone. Would you write (or have an ear removed) to write? Do you love writing more than an ear? (trying to be funny here, as you can tell, I'll never write comedy). Want some advice? I didn't think so,but look into Twain's "Letters From the Earth". I think, with your take on chit, you could smoke it.

Luved the book, got my daughter to actually read something. Good luck in the future. BTW-saw some pics of a group thing-a picnic or something back when-looks like you're really enjoying life. Good for you, continued success. PS-I'm not blowing smoke for an autographed copy. Heh, heh, as you say, Cap'n.

mrd — October 19, 2012 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — October 19, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.

I don't think authors will be going broke. Honestly a lot of what you see in the pricetag of a traditional hardcopy book goes to manufacturing the physical item you hold in your hand. The price of Ebooks being lower is because they don't cost as much in physical material to produce. So a larger percentage of that price is going to the author.

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — October 18, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.

Did you hear that in OH they put up some billboards that tell voter fraud is a felony, and list potential sentences if convicted?

True story. And you have to love the left. They are there to let you know that the billboards are...get this...

RACIST!

No words on the billboard mention anything about race, creed, color, national origin, gender, or sexual orientation. But just a billboard to tell of consequences of committing an illegal act is deemed racist.

danabwoodley — October 19, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So a larger percentage of that price is going to the author.

Drift?

mrd — October 19, 2012 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting that some on the right invoke hitler/nazism when they get the chance. If these wacko's would visit a death camp or talk with Holocaust survivors, maybe a few would get their head right. Glenn Beck and others seem obsessed with the invocation of nazism when it comes to all things Obama. I also remember some of the tea party signs in 2009-2010 referenced.

**Swastika Found On Obama Campaign Office In Colorado**

WASHINGTON -- A swastika was found painted on the window of President Barack Obama's campaign office in a Denver, Colo., suburb late Thursday.

The black Nazi symbol was found by building owners painted outside a window of the office, located in the Denver suburb of Conifer, 9News.com reported. The office opened recently in the Jefferson County hamlet.

The Jefferson County sheriff's office did not immediately return a request for comment. 9News.com reports that Obama's campaign has not commented on the incident, which comes a week after a shot was fired into a window of Obama's Denver campaign office.

**In 2009 during a Tea Party rally held to oppose the stimulus package on the day Obama signed the bill, a participant waved a sign bearing a swastika in the "O" of Obama's name. The sign holder had a picture taken with conservative activist Michelle Malkin and was reportedly on stage when then-state Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry (R-Grand Junction) spoke**.

The swastika incident occurs two weeks after an Obama supporter in Tulsa, Okla., who had an Obama sign on his lawn reported receiving a death threat from a neighbor. Kyle Counts, a 27-year-old law student, told HuffPost that the neighbor engaged him an argument after seeing the sign and then yelled the threat, which was captured on video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/obama-swastika-colorado-office_n_1988128.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 9:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh come on Crazytrain, a little investigating could help you. Not your everyday "public service announcement".

Color of Change, the nation's largest online civil rights organization, is taking on media heavyweight Clear Channel over billboards that the advocacy group claims are attempts at voter intimidation.

Recently, anti-voter fraud billboards have sprung up in swing states such as Ohio and Wisconsin, depicting a gavel and informing passers-by that voter fraud is a felony, punishable by up to three and a half years in prison and fines of up to $10,000. Although the billboards state that they were funded by a "private family foundation," Color of Change's executive director Rashad Robinson believes Clear Channel has a responsibility to remove the ads, and has started an online campaign in an effort to force them to do so.

Robinson told The Huffington Post, "For us, these billboards, they create a culture of fear. They've only been put up in black and brown neighborhoods, so these are not widespread billboards. They are targeting certain communities, and they're creating a fear for people going to the polls."

Robinson also took issue with the anonymity of the billboard's buyer. "These billboards were funded by an anonymous donor. So unlike the work of Color of Change, when we send out a petition or do a rally, when we take out an ad, people know exactly who paid for it. They know what we stand for, they know who we are," Robinson said.

Clear Channel, which owns the billboards, was purchased in 2008 by Bain Capital, the company founded by Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

hawkeye — October 19, 2012 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh the irony! :))

**Reince Priebus Distances RNC From Consultant Arrested For Election Fraud**

"Over the course of this election cycle, the Republican National Committee has now been implicated or alleged to have been involved in voter registration fraud in no fewer than three states: Virginia, Colorado and my home state of Florida," Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said in a statement. "It's not hard to connect the dots here -- each of these cases is directly connected to Chair Reince Priebus, who as Chair of the RNC hired a firm headed by Nathan Sproul, a longtime Republican consultant with a known history of alleged voter registration fraud."

Sproul also faced election fraud allegations in 2004. Nevertheless, the Republican Party, candidates and interest groups have paid Sproul and his linked firms $21.2 million over the past nine years.

"It didn’t stop the Romney campaign from paying $80,000 to a separate Sproul-run firm," Wasserman Schultz added. "It certainly didn’t prevent Karl Rove’s American Crossroads PAC from paying nearly $1 million to Sproul’s firms for voter outreach. And it has not stopped the RNC from directing millions to Sproul’s firm since Reince Priebus became Chair last year. It should come as no surprise, then, that Colin Small – the Republican Party field director arrested yesterday for dumping voter registration forms in the trash – was working under the supervision of RNC officials and was first hired by a Sproul-run firm."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/reince-priebus-rnc-consultant-voter-fraud_n_1988619.html

nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 9:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 19, 2012 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — October 19, 2012 at 9:51 p.m.

So why would such a sign make someone afraid if they meet all the requirements of a legally authorized voter?

And what you are also telling me is that regardless of the heritage of a majority of the residents in the neighborhoods, there are absolutely no white, asian, native american people that are seeing these billboards? Is there a warning on the signs that says "do not read unless you are black or brown"?

So the person(s) that purchased the advertising space for these signs wish to remain anonymous. Big deal. There is nothing in the law that says you have to clearly advertise your identity to exercise your free speech (some on here would probably not post at all if that were the case).

I will concede that the unknown purchaser of the billboards may have nefarious intentions. Yes it could be a racist trying to intimidate. But, to repeat, if you are a person that meets all requirements of a legal voter, then why be afraid? Give the billboard the bird as you cast your ballot.

danabwoodley — October 20, 2012 at 2:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


About books and writing.

I write because I enjoy it. I've always been a bit of a story teller. Frankly, I think my best work is done around a fire; a beer in one hand, a smoke in the other and fire from the tequila in my belly.

Folks tend to sit back and listen. I think the sitting back is prudent. I tend to wave my arms around. Depending on how full that beer is...

An email list I'm on is what prompted me to write "Carrier." I'd drop a short story on the group now and then. Folks mentioned they enjoyed them. Several suggested I write a book. So I did.

I'm currently fiddling around with my second, a collection of short stories I'll title _From the Attic of a Madman?_ The title is a bit of an inside joke, you see. I'm sitting in a loft as I type. Heh.

As a new author I was fortunate to hook up with a new publisher. Litsam does things a bit differently. Myself and an in-house editor traded Carrier back and forth three times before -we- were satisfied with it. Then, it went out to around 20 or so "beta-readers." Oh make no mistake, all, but a handful of the words are mine.

One of the betas is responsible for each and every in chapter break. I hadn't included any. I got feed back from betas about specific paragraphs; to go further indepth, to clarify, to possibly delete. I learned it's "bight" of the wire, not "bite." Though it darned sure *can* bite.

db is correct about the price difference in paperback and e-versions. The books are Print On Demand(POD). They aren't sitting on any shelf, including bookstores (unfortunately). The 4.20 e-price wasn't my idea, BTW. The publisher sets the pricing, not I.

After cost it's a 20/80 split, with me taking the big share. We both make a few more pennies on books bought directly from Litsam, having cut out a retailer.

I have no idea how many books have sold. I've an idea on what I make on paperbacks, but not e-versions. The largest (monthly) royalty check I've received was about 260 bucks. Last month I got zip, my cut being <50 bucks.

Thank you for the praise, mrd. Words like yours are my *real* payment. Yes, for a handful of them I'd gladly give up an ear. The darned things don't work anyway.

If you'd care, drop me a line and we can arrange for my pen to meet your flyleaf. I autograph in red, BTW. The joke there being obvious, eh? Thanks again!

Drift — October 20, 2012 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**When plutocrats bullied voters**

*The Koch brothers and David Siegel aren't the only billionaires putting pressure on their employees to elect Mitt*

Simultaneously, the powers-that-be have just awarded Donald Trump the right to run a golf course in the Bronx that axpayers are spending at least $97 million to build — what “amounts to a public subsidy,” says the indignant city comptroller, “for a luxury golf course.” Good grief – a handout to the plutocrat’s plutocrat.

This, in a city where economic inequality rivals that of a third-world country. Of America’s 25 largest cities, New York is now the most unequal. The median income for the bottom 20 percent last year was less than $9,000, while the top 1 percent of New Yorkers has an average annual income of $2.2 million.

Across America, this divide between the superrich and everyone else has become a yawning chasm that studies indicate may stifle jobs and growth for years to come. At no time in modern history has the top one hundredth of one percent owned more of our wealth or paid so low a tax rate. But in neither of the two presidential debates so far has the vastness of this astounding inequality gap been discussed. Not by Mitt Romney, who is the embodiment of the predatory world of financial capitalism, and not even by Barack Obama, whose party once fought for working men and women against the economic royalists.

But as appalling as all this may be, here’s a new revelation of which you may not be aware. The plutocrats know it and love it – and the rest of us should be forewarned: When the Supreme Court made its infamous Citizens United decision, liberating plutocrats to buy our elections fair and square, the justices may have effectively overturned rules that kept bosses from ordering employees to do political work on company time. Election law expert Trevor Potter told us that now “corporations argue that it is a constitutionally protected use of corporate ‘resources’ to order employees to do political work or attend campaign events — even if the employee opposes the candidate or is threatened with being fired for failure to do what the corporation asks!”

read more @

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/19/when_plutocrats_bullied_voters/

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Internet Troll / Forum Troll "Netiquette Guidelines"**

*What is an Internet Troll/ Forum troll?*

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

A troll is trying to make us believe that he (she) is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He (she) is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him (her). Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

While sometimes, he (she) may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda.

A Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject. He (she) is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him (her). Then, he (she) will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his (her) opponents get banned from further discussion.

He (she) in 90% of cases tries to start arguments and upset people.
Sometimes, he (she) is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts.
Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.

Trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Cyber harassment and cyber stalking are often used synonymously to describe the actions of persons who relentlessly pursue others online with the intention of frightening or embarrassing the victim. Sometimes a harasser intends to teach the victim a lesson or solicit information from the victim, and stalkers generally want revenge or attention.

A cyber harasser often will post comments to the victim that are intended to cause distress and will try to incite others to do the same.

Persons who feel they have been victimized should begin to document and collect all harassing messages, postings and other activities. If there is any indication that a perpetrator knows where the victim lives or works or how to find them offline, the victim should contact the local authorities immediately. In some instances, the authorities can track the harasser through an Internet Service Provider and issue a restraining order against the stalker. Victims who cannot file criminal charges against an offender might attempt to file a civil suit, have accounts revoked and have damaging websites shut down.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cyber-harassment.htm

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.

Have you read the letter from Koch industries to their employees? They don't mention Obama or Romney. Here is a quote from the letter and it doesn't sound like they are pressuring anyone.

"First, and most important, we believe any decision about which
candidates to support is – as always – yours and yours alone, based on the factors that are most important to
you."
http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/October1Letter.pdf

frobert — October 20, 2012 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**crazytrain**- To repeat- *Why do you try and provoke me all the time? If you don't care for my opinion then ignore it as I do yours much of the time. This constant crying out for attention is just ridiculous.*

*Move on please.*

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 11:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- I believe this site was the one that first obtained a copy of the letter and brought it to the publics attention. The letter isn't the whole story. The article includes a comment from an employee at the Camas Paper Mill...

[Enclosed with the letter was a flyer [PDF] listing Koch-endorsed candidates, beginning with Romney. Robertson’s letter explained: “At the request of many employees, we have also provided a list of candidates in your state that have been supported by Koch companies or by KOCHPAC, our employee political action committee.”

"The packet also included an anti-Obama editorial by Charles Koch [PDF] and a pro-Romney editorial by David Koch [PDF]. The letter went on to say, “We believe any decision about which candidates to support is—as always—yours and yours alone, based on the factors that are most important to you. Second, we do not support candidates based on their political affiliation.”

In the flyer sent to Oregon employees, all 14 Koch-backed state candidates were Republicans.]

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14017/koch_industries_sends_45000_employees_pro_romney_mailing/

I know you are a big Koch supporter, but in light of democracy, do you really think corporations should be doing this sort of thing with their employees? From the article;

*Election law expert Trevor Potter told us that now “corporations argue that it is a constitutionally protected use of corporate ‘resources’ to order employees to do political work or attend campaign events — even if the employee opposes the candidate or is threatened with being fired for failure to do what the corporation asks!”*

As I facetiously stated earlier regarding future legal problems, *frobert @ 8:58- I'm sure defining corporate influences who apply arguably coercive techniques to subordinate employees in order to do their masters political bidding will never come up.*

The waters are muddied up as never before. Overturning Citizens United is a start. Do you really think C.U. was a good decision? Is this what our founding fathers had in mind?

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 12:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Maher claimed to have found yet another secret video of Romney saying some questionable things at a dinner party**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/20/bill-maher-mitt-romney-women-hitchock-shadow-of-a-doubt_n_1992541.html

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — October 20, 2012 at 2:19 a.m

You know, not everyone is as educated as you think you are. If you put doubt in someone's mind, it can grow to fear. If you are afraid that you aren't completely "legal", you will stay away from what you fear. If those people have to go to the polls to vote and they are afraid, they won't go. This is what the people who put up those billboards are banking on. There probably isn't a problem with voter fraud, it's a total scare tactic. Too bad they don't have vote by mail like us.

hawkeye — October 20, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great talking point for the debate next Monday. Most likely before days end this subject will get the attention of several right wing conspiracy theorists.

**U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks**

WASHINGTON — The United States and Iran have agreed for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, has the last word on whether talks should occur.

Iranian officials have insisted that the talks wait until after the presidential election, a senior administration official said, telling their American counterparts that they want to know with whom they would be negotiating.

News of the agreement — a result of intense, secret exchanges between American and Iranian officials that date almost to the beginning of President Obama’s term — comes at a critical moment in the presidential contest, just two weeks before Election Day and the weekend before the final debate, which is to focus on national security and foreign policy.

It has the potential to help Mr. Obama make the case that he is nearing a diplomatic breakthrough in the decade-long effort by the world’s major powers to curb Tehran’s nuclear ambitions, but it could pose a risk if Iran is seen as using the prospect of the direct talks to buy time.

It is also far from clear that Mr. Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, would go through with the negotiation should he win election. Mr. Romney has repeatedly criticized the president as showing weakness on Iran and failing to stand firmly with Israel against the Iranian nuclear threat.

Reports of the agreement have circulated among a small group of diplomats involved with Iran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?_r=0

nailingit — October 20, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift-

When the attic of a madman thing hits, I'll give it a read. But I don't have a copy of "Aircraft" to sign, my wife downloaded it to her nookie-her words, not mine (pun intended-hope the C doesn't bounce me) so my thing about the autograph was kinda misleading. And if you scrawled your name across her nookie, opps,sorry her Nook, she might not get ticked but I certainly would. Again-that pun thang (please don't run those words together). The red ink-forget it.

Enyhoo, I'm looking forward to the attic thing. Any idea when it might be coming to a website near me? Didn't that used to be coming to a theatre near me? Oh, well.

mrd — October 20, 2012 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just walked up to the mailbox, walked the dog, and got soaked.

Did pick up a Madore flier with the usual political BS. Somehow, as a lowly county commissioner, the guy's got all the answers because, well he's rich and has a successful business-good for him, and I mean that. He claims he's gonna solve or at least help the unemployment problem. In short, he's picked up the buzzwords that resonate with voters-job creation, to be confused with trickle-down economics as the job creator mentality needs to gain traction.

As a lowly county commisioner, a position he's spent $300K of his own money to buy, er get (sorry) how's he propose to do that? Removing fees? De-regulating stuff? As a port commissioner? No wait, Madore bailed on that one. Remember those regulations cost money-money factored into these governments' budgets. Funny no one griped about regulations when the economy was so hot these costs were easily absorbed. With local governments such as the city and county virtually broke, ask yourself, who's gonna pick up the tab for the Madores of the county when they are relieved of their obligations? It's not going away, just merely shifted. Perhaps if the Madores of the world got tax breaks, etc. to hire folks and didn't or weren't able to do so, they'd have to pay back taxes on the breaks they received that didn't lead to employment gains. If they can't become job creators, don't allow them to hide behind the illusion they are job creators.

At least under the current system, these costs are passed onto those using them most directly-fair or not, you decide. But Madore's logic passes those costs onto us all, while giving businesses, such as his, a break. Someone has to make up the difference, and I think we all know who that'll be. Wanna help pick up the tab for his company? Then vote for him.

mrd — October 20, 2012 at 6:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The next decade will see two record-breaking telescopes come on line; the Square Kilometre Array (SKA), a huge radio telescope sited in South Africa and Australia, and Europe's Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT) that will sit on a mountain top in Chile's Atacama desert and be the largest optical telescope ever built.

Remember when the US was a leader in space exploration? These telescopes will put the Hubble to shame. Again, we as a country continue to fall from such endeavors. But we can still pay homage to retired space shuttles-there's the future, and it's not here. Oh well, space exploration, who needs it? We need those F-35 Eagle Strikers at a cost of $1.75T. Yes that's a trillion if the chit I read was correct.

mrd — October 20, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Trickle down economics? Just what does that mean.

I’ve my own ideas about that, and it has to do with equal tax RATES. Other than that, disparagers of the notion strike me as puveyors of envy politics.

Hawkeye, you have advocated for a flat tax rate on more than one occasion. Then you have made disparaging comments about “trickle down”. Seems rather contradictory to me, as the Left is all about “soaking the rich”. Certainly not about a flat tax.

Mrd, just what do you think “trickle down economics” means, and what should legislative bodies do about the apportionment of tax burdens?

Whether you realize it not, many of you advocate the “Utilitarianism” political philosophy championed by J. Bentham. No doubt, one of those old guys of yesteryear, whose ideas have no relevance in today’s world. To some of you. So you think.

Just the same, the idea of Utilitarianism, is about government decisions made for the greatest happiness, for the greatest number of people. What’s wrong with that?

It sets up government sanctioned factions. Reminds me of a lynch mob mentality. And then there is the law of unintended consequences.

kn_dalai — October 20, 2012 at 9:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal




Utilitarianism is just an attempt to civilize a mob.

kinda like thinking you can train a pride of lions

DeeLittle — October 21, 2012 at 5:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, when I did a signing up in Edmonds I "inscribed" an e-reader. The person handed me their device along with a stylus, "Sign my book?" I must admit, I was a bit taken aback. Even more so when it became obvious the individual had set it up to "print" in red!

It'll be more than a year before "Attic" comes out. That is, provided the publisher wants it. I'm not done with it yet and when I am it'll go through the same washing machine Carrier did before its release.

Thanks again for the praise. I must say, I do believe it reads a bit differently than your average military memoir, eh? ;^)

Drift — October 21, 2012 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — October 20, 2012 at 9:19 p.m

Yes you are right about the flat tax, I still think it's a good idea. Trickle-down?? I don't think I said anything about that. I'm not for soaking anyone, I'm for fair taxation. When Mr. Romney said ha paid around 14% for the last two years and I looked at mine and it was higher than that, I was a little disappointed to say the least. It's all those damn deductions. Of course, that didn't take into consideration all the bucks he HAS offshore.

hawkeye — October 21, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Herman Cain's bizarre 9-9-9 plan would replace much of the current tax code with a 9 percent individual income tax and a 9 percent sales tax. He calls it a "flat tax."

Next week Rick Perry is set to announce his own version of a flat tax. Former House majority leader Dick Armey -- now chairman of Freedom Works, a major backer of the Tea Party funded by the Koch Brothers and other portly felines (I didn't say "fat cats") -- predicts this will give Perry "a big boost." Steve Forbes, one of America's richest billionaires, who's on the board of the Freedom Works foundation, is delighted. He's been pushing the flat tax for years.

The flat tax is a fraud. It raises taxes on the poor and lowers them on the rich.

..

Flat-taxers pretend a flat tax is good public policy, for two reasons.

First, they say, it would simplify paying taxes. Baloney. Flat-tax proposals don't eliminate popular deductions. (I'll be surprised if Perry's plan eliminates the popular mortgage-interest deduction, for example.) So most tax payers would still have to fill out lots of forms.

Second, they say a flat tax is fairer than the current system because, in Cain's words, a flat tax "treats everyone the same."

The truth is the current tax code treats everyone the same. It's organized around tax brackets. Everyone whose income reaches the same bracket is treated the same as everyone else whose income reaches that bracket (apart from various deductions, exemptions, and credits, of course).

For example, no one pays any income taxes on the first $20,000 or so of their income (the exact amount depends on whether the person is married and eligible for tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit of the Family Tax Credit.)

People in higher brackets pay a higher rate only on the portion of their income that hits that bracket -- not on their entire incomes.

So when Barack Obama calls for ending the Bush tax cut on incomes over $250,000, he's only talking about the portion peoples' incomes that exceed $250,000. He's not proposing to tax their entire incomes at the higher rate that prevailed under Bill Clinton.

Republicans have tried to sow confusion about this. They want Americans to believe, for example, that if the Bush tax cut ended, small business owners with incomes of $251,000 a year would suddenly have to pay 39 percent of their entire incomes in taxes rather than 35 percent. Wrong. They'd only have to pay the 39 percent rate on $1,000 -- the portion of their incomes over $250,000.

read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/flat-tax-progressive-tax_b_1026339.html

nailingit — October 21, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**George McGovern dies aged 90**

*Life-long liberal who tried to unseat Nixon, "the most corrupt president in history"*

A proud liberal who had argued fervently against Vietnam War as a Democratic senator from South Dakota and three-time candidate for president, McGovern died at 5:15 a.m. local time Sunday at a Sioux Falls hospice, surrounded by family and lifelong friends, family spokesman Steve Hildebrand told The Associated Press. McGovern was 90.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/21/george_mcgovern_dies_aged_90/

nailingit — October 21, 2012 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- *It sets up government sanctioned factions. Reminds me of a lynch mob mentality.*

Are you referring to government oversight and regulatory controls to protect citizen investments?

*And then there is the law of unintended consequences.*

The financial collapse of 2007?

nailingit — October 21, 2012 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnr...

It's unfortunate this administration refuses to demand accountability on Wall Street. It's more than unfortunate that a Wall Street hack might become president and undo what little reform that has taken place, sending us plummeting back to the Bush years.

We need a lynch mob mentality when it comes to the uber wealthy squandering our investments for personal gain. RW media talking heads will have us blame the poor for our financial problems, and the Fox news crowd will fall Right into line as usual voting not only against their best interests, but the best interests of our country as well.

nailingit — October 21, 2012 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 21, 2012 at 9:52 a.m

Bull-puckey.

A flat tax is just that. No deductions! You wanna have 15 kids, you pay for them. You wanna have 2 houses, you pay for them.

hawkeye — October 21, 2012 at 11:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- What part of the article/line of reasoning don't you agree with? What flat % do you think it should be?

nailingit — October 21, 2012 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nail-

This is the part I have a problem with-

"First, they say, it would simplify paying taxes. Baloney. Flat-tax proposals don't eliminate popular deductions. (I'll be surprised if Perry's plan eliminates the popular mortgage-interest deduction, for example.) So most tax payers would still have to fill out lots of forms."

If you change to a flat tax, or any other type of a tax, you throw everything else out the window.

hawkeye — October 21, 2012 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye,

Suppose someone buys some shares of stock in some given year. Suppose they sell their shares of stock for a $1000 gain, in the same year.

Then suppose they buy someother shares of stock, in the same year, but this time they sell those shares of stock, again in the same year, but this time, they lose $1000.

They have a net gain (loss) of: zero.

Should they be able to deduct their loss from their gain, or should they have to pay taxes on the gain, and not be able to deduct the loss?

kn_dalai — October 21, 2012 at 9:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It sounds like a wash to me, under this system. In a flat tax system, they would pay on the gain and eat the loss.

hawkeye — October 22, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


[COLLECTIVIST ALERT]

hawkeye- I'm undecided. How about a one time fix all progressive tax off the backs of those making 10 million or more annually, rising to whatever needed to fix our country's fiscal problems. On the back end have government monetary hiring incentives for big business, to include keeping jobs here and increase American manufacturing. A win win.

Call it a Patriot Tax.

After all, they didn't build it! :))

nailingit — October 22, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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