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Ooooohhhh!!! We have a local literary ambassador in our midst...Miles Hewitt.

Congrats, Miles!

(I'd bet that his daddy at the Columbian is standing about an inch off the ground this morning!!!)

goldenoldie — September 24, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So glad you mentioned this honor for this young man, goldie!

I am saddened by the lack of attention such stories receive on here and other web-based news organizations.

Way to go, Miles!

Way to go, goldie, for reminding everyone that we need to focus on the good news and give from-the-heart credit to those young people who are making their parents and community proud.

manthou — September 24, 2012 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Newt Gingrich says Mitt Romney needs to be "as tough with Obama as he was with me in Florida." Sarah Palin says Romney should "go rogue."

There you go, good advise from two losers on how to lose bigger.

hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 8:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.

Both Palin and Gingrich have been elected to office many more times than Romney. Like them or not there is no denying that they are accomplished politicians.

frobert — September 24, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The man known to a generation of Americans as "The Science Guy" is condemning efforts by some Christian groups to cast doubts on evolution and lawmakers who want to bring the Bible into science classrooms.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bill-nye-warns-creation-views-threaten-us-science

"The Earth is not 6,000 or 10,000 years old," Bill Nye said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's not. And if that conflicts with your beliefs, I strongly feel you should question your beliefs."

Millions of Americans do hold those beliefs, according to a June Gallup poll that found 46 percent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago.

"If we raise a generation of students who don't believe in the process of science, who think everything that we've come to know about nature and the universe can be dismissed by a few sentences translated into English from some ancient text, you're not going to continue to innovate."

roger — September 24, 2012 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 24, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.

I'd much rather focus on the successes of our youth and of the wonderful achievements of folks and businesses in our community, Manthou...but sadly, this is after all an election year which generates more sales and the political hashing and bashing takes precedence over local achievers.

goldenoldie — September 24, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 24, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.

Maybe they have but neither one have been President, have they.

I rest my case.

hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, and the term "accomplished politicians", that's something to aspire to, isn't it?

hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.

So the only way a politician is successful is to be elected President?

So our good stalwarts of Murray, McConnel, Pelosi, Boehner, Reid, and numerous others just aren't successful.

As long as we all understand.

danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 24, 2012 at 5:44 p.m.

While I am completely appreciative of science, I still hold to my faith. I do have a question for Mr. Science Guy.

We as humans are classified as animals, specifically mammals. We have brought ourselves to a point of awareness that we can disregard instinct and behave in a civilized fashion. Can you give me a scientific explanation of what in our make up provides the ability to do this?

danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/24/news/nation/muslim-nations-seek-curbs-on-anti-islam-speech/?ref=latest

Let's look at the contrast...

*The demand for limits on anti-Islamic expression is coming from leading Islamic groups such as the Organization for Islamic Cooperation, and leaders as diverse as Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Recep Erdogan, Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.*

*These leaders consider anti-Islamic material a kind of “hate speech”*

And then we have...

*Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, told reporters in New York on Monday that Israel is only a short-lived presence among the ancient civilizations of the Middle East and would eventually be “eliminated.”*

Isn't this hate speech?

I know that if the UN tries to press this suggestion, there had better be a severe backlash from the US. While I may not agree with everyone, I acknowledge that we all have a Constitutional right to express out views (even hawk, nail and basil). If the UN tries to force us to infringe upon this in the slightest, I move to withdraw from the organization and evict them from NYC.

But, that is just me.

danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


you've got a 2nd on that motion, dana.

DeeLittle — September 24, 2012 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Dennis Prager:**

> But precisely because he doesn't offer
> details about his plans, Mitt Romney
> must run on the big issue of the
> direction of the country.
>
> And the number one issue must be the
> size of the state. America was founded
> on the belief that the citizen must be
> free as possible and that such freedom
> is possible only if the government is
> as small as possible.
>
> The bigger the state, the smaller the
> citizen.
>
> Every Republican candidate should be
> repeating that truth in every speech.
>
> Why? Because the American experiment
> is on trial this November:
>
> --Are we to remain the heirs of the American Revolution or become heirs to
> the French Revolution?
>
> Do we want to take care of ourselves,
> our families, and our communities --
> or do we want, as in Europe, the
> government to do so?
>
> --Is it moral or compassionate to saddle our children and grandchildren
> with a crippling national debt?
>
> --Is it moral or compassionate to keep printing dollars, which both devalues
> the savings of all Americans and
> imposes a tax on all Americans,
> especially on the poorest?
>
> These are the questions Romney must
> pose every day and in many of his ads.
> Only when Americans have to answer
> these questions will a sufficient
> number of them vote Republican this
> November.

this isn't "just another election". it's a decision about affirming or rejecting the vision of the founders.

DeeLittle — September 24, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As long as we all understand.

danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 8:52 p.m

See that's the problem. You DON'T understand.

Newt ran for President = AND LOST

Sarah ran for VP = AND LOST

See where I'm going here? Do you understand or do I need to talk slower?

Murray, McConnel, Pelosi, Boehner, Reid. Not Presidential candidates, not trying to give advice to Romney.

Got it?

hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 10:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 24, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.

If you think those are the "big ticket" questions, you better find yourself another candidate with some cajones. This one ain't got it.

hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I understand fine. When the point is made clear.

danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Skewed and Unskewed Polls** part 1
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/23/skewed-and-unskewed-polls/

*don't know if this is 'right' or 'left' leaning, but the statistics are at least verifiable as to accuracy.*

> In most all things, I try to follow
> Hanlon’s (or Heinlein’s) Razor: “Never
> attribute to malice that which is
> adequately explained by stupidity.”
>
> This is particularly important to
> remember when looking at
> polls.Sometimes, however, one must
> wonder.
>
> As I pointed out yesterday, the result
> of Romney’s “really bad week” was that
> Romney had gone from 5 or 6 points
> behind in Gallup, to essentially tied.
> Even so, a number of people have noted
> that there are some odd assumptions in
> that poll, and others. Pat Caddell and
> Doug Schoen talked about it recently.
> Asked if the polls were, in his
> opinion, a fair representation of the
> electorate, Schoen said:
>

DeeLittle — September 24, 2012 at 10:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*part II*

> “The simple answer is no John. The
> bottom line is there were seven
> percent more Democrats in the
> electorate in 2008 than there were
> Republicans. That’s from the exit
> polls and that’s about as accurate as
> you can get….President Obama won by
> about seven points. Given 90 percent
> of Democrats vote for the Democrat and
> 90 percent of Republicans vote for the
> Republican, every time you reduce the
> margin between the parties by one
> point, roughly it’s about one point
> off the margin.”
>
> Schoen pointed out that the Pew poll
> was based on Democrats sampled for
> having an 11 percent voters
> registration edge over Republicans. He
> further added, “saying that America
> has gotten more Democratic than 2008,
> which is a questionable assumption.”

DeeLittle — September 24, 2012 at 10:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*part III*

In fact, Rasmussen keeps a running monthly poll of party identification. In the latest poll, released September 1, they found:

During August, 37.6% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s up from 34.9% in July and 35.4% in June. It’s also the largest number of Republicans ever recorded by Rasmussen Report since monthly tracking began in November 2002.

Other polls — including Gallup — apparently have similar assumptions (called “turnout models”) in their polls.

There is a new website, called unskewedpolls.com, that basically reweights the data to fit the Rasmussen party identification. Their results are quite different, giving Romney somewhere between a five and eleven point lead.

Now, this should also be taken with a grain of salt. Basically, they claim (by the site name) to be an unskewed poll. In fact, they’re just a differently skewed take on existing polls. Instead of taking their numbers over, say, Gallup, though, what it should tell us is that even if the polls are being heavily weighted to Obama, Romney’s still essentially tied. Any difference in Romney’s direction in real turnout from the pollster’s assumptions would bring Romney into a lead.

DeeLittle — September 24, 2012 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.

We caused the problem in Iran in the first place, the last thing we should be doing now is sanctions and threats. We should be trying some diplomacy, not strong arm tactics.

frobert — September 24, 2012 at 11:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro-

Not sure I am understanding. What did the US do that causes Iran to be committed to the destruction of Israel?

And what does the US "strong arming" Iran have to do with the proposal to the UN to stop anti islamic speech?

I know that the current situation is due, in part, to policies of previous administrations in the White House. Got it. None of this justifies the hateful rhetoric from Iranian leaders, nor does it justify any attempt to try to "strong arm" the US to abandon one of the basic freedoms of out Constitution.

danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 12:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**dana**

i find it *deeply* disturbing that the US is even noticing this. the constitutional protection of free speech is SO fundamental to our freedoms, *any* deviation from it is a non-starter.

DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 3:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — September 24, 2012 at 8:58 p.m. -- "We have brought ourselves to a point of awareness that we can disregard instinct and behave in a civilized fashion. Can you give me a scientific explanation of what in our make up provides the ability to do this?"

Perhaps evolution? We never would have survived as a species if not for our greater brain power and ability to adapt. Many of our higher primates (gorillas, chimps, orangutans) not only have a social order in their groups, but appear able to understand the rudiments of human society and adapt to this (to a degree, anyhow). Marine mammals, especially dolphins, demonstrate social order, intelligence and the ability to learn. Dogs and cats haven't done too poorly in this area either, given their lesser brains and intellectual capacity.

But Bill Nye was addressing the creationist theories - those that deny what science tells us to be true. Our planet is much older than 6000 - 10,000 years; there's plenty of evidence that humanoids (latecomers to the scene) have been here somewhere around 100,000 years. Dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. Trying to refute carbon dating as being that wildly inaccurate, just to fit an interpretation of books written by men, makes about as much sense as saying the world is flat. If these people had their way, we'd return to the days of the Roman Inquisition declaring Galileo a heretic for his theory that the planets revolve around the Sun.

roger — September 25, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 12:31 a.m.

We caused the problem with Iran by overthrowing their democratically elected moderate government in 1953. We did this to assure that BP continued to control the Iranian oilfields, and reap the profits. This lead to the extremest takeover in 1979, and their radical stance on issues today. In short they don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us for taking away theirs.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 24, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.

Hey HAWKEYE....you callin' Hillary a loser??? She ran for president in 2008 - AND LOST!

Other *LOSER* Democratic Presidential Candidates in 2008:

Kucinich, Dodds, Richardson, Edwards (what a winner-thank HEAVENS he wasn't elected), Gravel.

In years passed, I would have chosen from the left side of the ticket for president. In fact, I did last time...chose the smooth talkin' attorney who knew exactly what to tell the people and how to tell them just what he could perceive as what they wanted to hear...and am mourning the choice I have made every time I see families, young and old who are obviously starving, waiting in food lines. It's really sad when one of those waiting in line is a soldier who fought bravely to ensure our freedom from terror...after going back for a second or third tenure because there was no job for her or him here and STILL has no work or food. To see older folks who took advantage of that ever so sweet "reverse mortgage" scam (shame on Henry Winkler)...and are now homeless or living with families or in shelters because they can't afford to live on their own; to see the current health care bill...ready to charge those who can barely afford to live independently as it is. To see stimulus funding through taxes we didn't even have the chance to vote on and the money disappeared overseas, in mega special interest companies which are no longer in business or the funding got lost in the shuffle in the administrators' pockets...

Just who in the *HELL* do you think I blame, Hawkeye???

Careless spending; ridiculously-inflated prices for food, clothing and fuel; freedom for those here illegally while those who came here worked their arses off to come here to live...going through the legal process; no jobs outlook to speak of for the *citizens and legal residents* of our nation and starvation and malnutrition at an all time high; bankruptcy, foreclosure and homelessness out of control; a rush-rush job on a healthcare bill which the president himself crammed down the throats of the members of our US Congress to approve without respect to the consequences; our freedom being continuously whittled away by presidential executive orders as these destroy our constitutional rights day by day...

***And you want FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS CRAP???***

The 3-3/4 years has reminded me of the old adage "Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice...shame on me."

Well Hawkeye...you and anybody who wants this for four more years...

You're right there with the three monkeys. What will you do *when* Romney wins??? Will you still condemn the president for what he stands for or will you do your part to make the situation better?

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry Hawk...but the failure of "Hope and Change" transitioning to "Forward" isn't any transition. It's more of the same old, same old.

Oftentimes while posting on the forum, condescending remarks by one whose views you support such as "cooking...or making bread or zucchini loaves or working in the garden" and for discussing how to become more independent (which was my intent with those comments) and was heckled with messages that I'm some follower of "Glenn Beck" and the righties, even though I've voted both sides of the ticket in the past. The fact is, I was taking it upon myself to follow the history of the Great Depression and multiple recessions and how my family had endured...and successfully survived those years and have done my homework on current needs of survival in hard times and have shared it here on the forum in hopes others would open their eyes and do the same at whatever capacity worked for them. Just because I'd given credit to Glenn Beck...Mr. Anti Obama...Anti Socialism...for bringing it to the forefront and warning those who didn't take the time out to learn survival through recessions and depressions, I was labeled a Beck follower even though he on several occasions has pointed out the BS of the current administration and where it's headed (spot on btw)...rather than seeing my message for what it is...to become independent of the Corporatocracy of the *Social Democracy* our current leader is cramming down our throats. You as well as a select few others have been displaying what you see from your side of the fence and haven't even bothered to see it from a different perspective. It's easier for you and the few others to go on attack mode but the fact is...by voting for four more years, you are increasing the size of the government and reducing your independence.

Well buddy, you and your cronies??? It doesn't feel very good, does it.

Nice to meet you, Pot. My name is Kettle!!!

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit...just to let you know as well...

Any time you post a link which clearly shows a hard left-leaning, opinionated statement whether the person be a political expert or Joe Schmoe...

Expect to receive a rebuttal pointing out the faults of his or her statement and the expectations that you search for data which isn't politically motivated. It's far too obvious you are trying a smear campaign rather than stating the facts, nails. The rebuttal may not be just from me, either. And any little comments about me being someone else...it's truly childish by you to suggest such banter just because there's more than one person who may think as I do.

So right about now...we shall be expecting one of those little pissy digs from soapbox4u because this woman spoke up against you, huh!

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"You're right there with the three monkeys. What will you do when Romney wins??? Will you still condemn the president for what he stands for or will you do your part to make the situation better?"

That question should also have been asked to Congressional republicans 4 years ago. Oh. that's right, it wouldn't have been necessary. They publicly stated their intentions. Sheesh.

mrd — September 25, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 25, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.

Why is it a suprise or shocking that any political party wants to make sure that their people are elected? Isn't that why **all** political parties were formed in the first place?

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


true-but there's that matter of degree. the collateral damage being caused by the political hacking today is over the top.

mrd — September 25, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


WOW goldie, what a bunch of crap from you this morning. I see a little anger there and I don't know why but honestly when I see you spew like that, I don't even read it. As for Hillery, or anyone else that ran for Pres, they don't count. If YOU paid attention to what I was saying and referencing, it was a statement from Newt and Sarah... PERIOD. That's all I was talking about, crazy lady!

"I did last time...chose the smooth talkin' attorney who knew exactly what to tell the people and how to tell them just what he could perceive as what they wanted to hear...and am mourning the choice I have made every time I see families, young and old who are obviously starving, waiting in food lines"

So this time you are going to choose, what, a smooth talking attorney that looks like a game show host? And exactly, where are these "food lines" you speak of? Never seen them.

You call Obama a "do nothing" President , well if that's true then how can you blame him for the problems we are having? The way I see it is we are much better off than we were when he was elected. Bush tried really hard to kill this country as did Wall Street, it's going to take time to get it back to good and that's what the President is trying to do. It would be really nice if Congress would help, but your buddy Boehner refuses to help.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's a shout out to a 14-year-old in Troutdale who risked his own life to save a neighbor boy trapped in a burning home across the street from his family home! Marcos Ugarte, it was your quick thinking and actions which saved that little boy's life! You were quite humble while being interviewed on television but it was truly a heroic act on your part! You are to be commended for your actions.

Kudos to you, young man!!! You *ARE* a true hero!!!

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, when you provide the list of people you deem as losers...it doesn't matter who might have said it when you support the discussion with your talking points.

BTW, it's Hillary, not Hillery...although your lack of respect for the woman prevails.

And I do not choose a president by their looks. That's superficial.

You say you haven't seen the food lines. Well sir, why don't you take your little keester out and about and help out at a homeless shelter or a rescue mission or at the local food bank to start...or is that too demeaning for someone who believes their union retirement is secure?

Who said Boehner is my buddy? He's just another career politician as far as I'm concerned.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.

The legislative branch is not supposed to follow the President's agenda, if they were we would be a dictatorship. The House follows it's own agenda based on the people that elected them. From their perspective they were elected for different reasons from different districts. Those that campaigned on repealing "Obamacare" are trying to repeal it, the same goes for those that want to spur job growth by reducing regulations. This is our form of government. Congress does not under any circumstances answer to the President, only the voters.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:01 a.m

Even in "good" times, the homeless shelters are busy. It doesn't matter what the economy is doing. It's always been like that. It will never change. There will ALWAYS be homeless.

Frankly, I don't care how you choose who you vote for. You slammed Obama because he was a good talker and a lawyer, and for some reason you think Romney is different from that. In that respect they are the same, are they not?

"Who said Boehner is my buddy? He's just another career politician as far as I'm concerned."

And so is Ryan!

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.

Fro, what's your point? The only problem I see with your take on this is that I don't think the House is actually following what their constituents want them to do. In fact, if I recall what they said at the beginning of the session, they said their main goal was to fight everything Obama wanted to do. Is that what you hired these people to do? I know I didn't.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well Frobert, let's hope he doesn't engage the US in an active war just before election time. All those little EO's will neatly fall into place if that happens.

Never mind what is happening in the Middle East right now...it's only affecting them, right??? Ahmadinejad..."Mr. Happy Happy Joy Joy" is just full of the Good Humor Man discussion points, isn't he! He's not threatening us with anything, right?

You know all those jobs Romney is proposing in the near future should he become president??? Can you guess what they'll be??? It won't be for manufacturing or technology industries. I'll give you a hint....no, better yet...I won't. No need to. It's right there in plain ink anywhere you turn. The removal of troops from Afghanistan??? Bet ya I could be right in my guess as to where they're headed!!!

But then again...this is just a conspiracy theory....right???

Or is it?

For all of you who think we're a divided nation...well my friends, we are divided. Divided by the powers that be who are working in unison to confuse us, to separate us by our ideals and our opinions...divided in order to allow what is soon to happen to our nation...to the world, and they're working with others in power - either government or financial. They're all in it together. They like to make you think it's different but it is not. You should know by now that in times of war, programs are cut or eliminated...our military must remain strong and must protect us at all costs...yes, ALL COSTS! This will be their only answer to disengaging the world hunger and money crises, people. That's all they have to go by in history so that's what they're doing.

Hawkeye and Nailingit...I've given you just a bit of a taste of your own medicine in political division...even posting a slanted article or two...why did I do that? So I could prove a point to you which I'm sure you're thinkin' I've blown a fuse. That's because it's what you DON'T want to hear.

For God's sake...does it take another 9/11 to bring us to our knees to wake the people up??? You think in my comment @8:06 am that I was serious about Romney being the next president...as though I had some kind of crystal ball telling me the future???

You'd best hold true to your faith, no matter what you believe in. You think we've seen trying times thus far??? It's our faith of existence which is just about all we will have left to hold onto. It takes educating ones self to survive. Ask yourselves why there's Seed Banks, DNA Banks and Sperm Banks not just for humans world wide THEN get back to me in rebuttal.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.

Do you have a source for your false statement that they said they would oppose everything Obama wanted to do? The President has nothing to do with the legislative branch anyway, He can't even introduce legislation. The President has clearly defined duties, he should worry about them and not get involved in the legislative branch.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""It's always been like that."""

Hawkeye...have you actually been to these places to see for yourselves? You haven't heard the reports??? You going to explain to me the increased reports in starvation deaths nationwide? Worldwide? It's not just the droughts, Hawk. It's also the selfishness of dictatorial leaderships who will refuse to feed the people because they don't want to follow the leadership. You think it couldn't happen here?

I have an acquaintance who recently accidentally shredded their WIC checks to pay for their little baby's formula. The person has seen the hardest of difficult times in recent months...which began just a few months before the birth of their baby. You know what our wonderful state told her??? "You'll have to wait till November to acquire the next checks."

Starving a baby??? ...and you think it's not happening.

Sound familiar???

Regarding Romney, Boehner (and Ryan), you can refer to my response at 11:30 am.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ignorance is bliss for those who seek to avoid the truth.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


September 25, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.

s/b "...to see for yourself?"

Also Hawkeye...unless you haven't been to the shelters, the food banks or the rescue missions to see for yourself, let alone to volunteer...

You're clueless.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.

Been to several of them. Take my word for it. Other than that, it's none of your business.

Of course you are aware that "they" are part of the 47% that Romney doesn't care about, aren't you?

Here fro, look for yourself

http://www.politicususa.com/gop-killed-4-million-jobs.html

http://www.brightfutura.com/227/

I could go on, but you get my drift.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


In part it's hysterical and seemingly unbelievable, then again it speaks to the Republican party tearing itself apart from the inside, while trying to usher in the ruination of America on the out. These nuts never quit. I hope the Dems put this guy front and center before the elections as an example. (although many states have begun early voting)

Utah Set to Send Glenn Beck-Approved End Times Novelist to Congress

Glenn Beck likes to say that he never endorses candidates—he just tells his followers how he feels about them. In Chris Stewart, the Republican nominee in Utah's 2nd Congressional District, Beck has found someone he feels pretty damn good about. "If he wasn't running, I'd be trying to convince him to work for me, to help me stay the course, strategize, and save the country," he said last winter, as Stewart's campaign was just getting off the ground. "I've actually tried to talk him out of running, because it's a lion's den in Washington."

But, Beck added, "I believe he's a Daniel."

Like the Old Testament figure who emerged unscathed from a pit of lions, Stewart—an Air Force pilot turned consultant turned end times novelist—is also a prophet of sorts, and his message is grim: "If we don't make some difficult decisions now, if we don't show the courage to do what we have to do to save our country, we won't make it for another 10 years," he said in February, in a campaign video that also served to promote a book he'd just published under Beck's imprint. But there was hope. "At critical times in our history…we literally had miracles where God intervened to save us," he said. Send me to Congress, Stewart seemed to imply, and it could happen again.

It's near certain that Stewart, running in a deep-red district in a deep-red state, will get his chance at fixing Washington next January. But his campaign has raised eyebrows in Utah, where Stewart has left a trail of furious Republicans calling for an investigation into electoral dirty tricks and old hands in both parties predicting the second coming of Michele Bachmann. "From time to time, we get a certified nutcase," one former Utah Republican politician told me. "And Chris Stewart truly is a certified nutcase."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/chris-stewart-utah-republican

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, many more important things to do today than argue with you guys.

Maybe take a nap.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow, I really spaced out the forum starting a new week. Thought it was pretty dead!

Repeating a few posts...

Brian Williams/Romney interview LIVE on MSNBC. Audience Q&A; to follow.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

---

Check it out! :))))) The latest forum conspiracy theory!!!

Nails...the new forum has been up for a couple of days now, you know. that message could have been helpful for some on the current forum. *Guess you didn't want it too publicized for a reason???*

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


lol...nailingit, glad you woke up and joined the current forum, albeit a bit late for folks to share in watching the Williams/Romney interview this morning.

You know a symptom of dementia is memory loss and that includes forgetting what day or week it is...(nyuk, nyuk!!!)

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.

How about a reliable source? You might want to check their facts out with one of the reliable fact checking sites.

Again, it is not congress' job to follow the Presidents agenda, Why do liberals think this is supposed to be a dictatorship whenever a democrat is in the White House? We have separation of powers for a reason, the legislature alone creates laws, not the President.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


:)))) goldenoldie is criticizing me as if I posted this week! You can't make this stuff up! :))))

Somebody's had waaay too much coffee today! :))

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


go @ 12:07- Of course I'm demented, I'm a liberal Democrat.

Thanks for the inside info!

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


long, long sigh...

Hawkeye...you think any politician running for president cares??? They're not out for the betterment of the people. If you think that...again, I say...you're clueless.

As for it not being my business with regards to the shelters...you made it my business to ask you a question regarding those shelters. If you don't answer...that's your business. I could care less what your response would be since you'd rather avoid the discussion altogether, BUT... it leads one to speculate that it hasn't been in the past six months that you'd visited any of these places OR you showed up after dinner hours or AFTER the allotted nonperishable foods were already handed out. A good hint is the poundage of nonperishable food items and clothing which is donated on a regular basis by so many giving citizens and companies. Those in need are lucky if they get ONE GOOD MEAL. You know how many are turned away because the places who have provided that meal have run out of food? You know how many fights are happening as people wait for that handout? This tells me you haven't witnessed the actual DIRE situation, buddy.

I won't even get into the curb wars of the people begging for a hand out. That's another story in itself. It's pretty sad to see the elderly having to destroy their self esteem, asking for help from strangers at the street corner but it's happening.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hehehehe....Nailingit!!! You're on a roll, today!!! Just reactin' to past posts...never too late for a response, eh???

A Demented Liberal Democrat??? Ohhhh...Lordy....
I won't touch *THAT* one with a Ten-Foot Pole!!!!

Too much coffee??? Does it show that much??? Heck, with all the cookin' and preparin' for the freezer lately...guess I needed that extra "gallon" of java, lol.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 12:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW...here's another shout out to a young Battleground High School Student...

Young Miss Kyle Harris!

This young lady's talent in writing her essay was part of Battleground's application for Best 100 Communities for Young People award which she also earned a $2500 youth scholarship for her writes. She's an amazing leader of her peers.

I congratulate you, young lady!!!

Anybody who wants to see the article, it's courtesy of The Reflector.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


lol Nailingit...your coffee avatar...it fails to mention how much easier it is to multitask successfully when you've had your morning brew!!! thanks for the smiles

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 12:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- May I throw you a question while I am currently not (I think) being reamed out by you?

Why do you play the gender card so often/at all. Many times you have thrown this view into the forum arena, or at least implied, of being victimized because of your said gender. I would think that...

(A) No one posting has ever criticized or implied either gender is deficient in any way to my knowledge. (although I remember alley had some issues, but beyond that...)

(B) Any discriminatory message can be sourced. One of the benefits of viewing past comments. Where are they if so?

(C) Doing so undermines the message of real gender inequality/discrimination if it should happen in the forum.

(D) You are smart enough (although many times directionally challenged:) to articulate your own arguments without his red herring.

It seems to be a fallback for you, but lately using it more without any provocation, i.e. *because this woman spoke up against you, huh!*

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.

(E) Now go bake a zucchini loaf or something! :))) (humor intended, btw zucchini loafs are not relegated to gender)

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So right about now...we shall be expecting one of those little pissy digs from soapbox4u because this woman spoke up against you, huh!

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Coffee? - Her mouth antics are from the lovin' she received this morning from her little Oedipus.

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LMAO, ask and you shall receive. Got religion?

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


She must have sat on that olive branch, or maybe the whole tree, she was offering the other day. Way too easy.

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 12:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Since the shyster Beck has been brought up, I ran across this the other day. This guy not only lacks brass, lacks conviction, lacks honesty, but proves himself to be a nothing more than a challenged eunuch.

If you're going to promote hate & division in order to make $$$ off the gullible and misinformed, at least show a little gusto outside of your box. An oldie but goodie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVH_45...

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- I tend to barely skim your posts when they are so .. lengthy, but this caught my eye. This goes to my earlier point. A misspelling is showing a lack of respect? I believe hawk has stated in the past he likes Hillary (hope I got the spelling right) and would vote for her if she was on the 2016 ticket. Insecurity???

*BTW, it's Hillary, not Hillery...although your lack of respect for the woman prevails.*

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 1:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning or afternoon Goldieoldie, during the depression, food wasn't quite so nonexisting for poor people as many believe. My Granddad had a ranch and he was ordered by the gov't to kill and bury a bunch of cattle, I forget just how many but it was to keep the price of cattle up. He put them in a corral in town and went to the local places where people gathered and told no one in particular that he hated to do it but he had to shoot all the cattle in the corral. He said he was going to do it the next morning. He then went home, and sure enough, the next morning there wasn't a steer in the correl, But the local people living in poverty had meat for quite a while. Also my grandmother had a nice peach orchard in the back of her house. She had very nice peaches for years. She traded them with people that had something to trade and gave a lot of them to poor people that had nothing to trade. Low and behold here come the Gov't and said her orchard was not fit to grow fruit and distroyed the orchard. There was nothing wrong with the orchard, they just wanted to keep the prices up. A lot of poor people suffered because of things like that. That was during the last years of the depression.

rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"And exactly, where are these "food lines" you speak of? Never seen them."

Those unsightly soup kitchens would be all over the place if we hadn't gone to food stamps and EBT cards. We can't have the world seeing our failure to be able to provide a decent income for millions of people. Wouldn't look right, spending billions on weapons and billions on foreign aid while people were standing in lines for a bowl of soup and a piece of bread.

mrd — September 25, 2012 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye...you think any politician running for president cares??? They're not out for the betterment of the people. If you think that...again, I say...you're clueless.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.

Actually, yes! Crazy lady, I think MY PRESIDENT cares quite a bit. On the other hand, I don't think Romney gives a rat's butt about anybody but himself and his possible election. It's all about the office for him, he could care less about the people. Well, at least 47% of them.

As for Hillary, I wish she was on Obama's ticket for VP. Then after this election and their victory, she could run in 2016 and win the Presidential election then.

Also, you don't read so good, or maybe your comprehension is a little off. I said it's none of your business how I got my knowledge about the homeless shelters. Funny how you read into things.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 12:47 p.m

So nails...you're going to ignore the REAL discussion and only make feeble attempts to discredit the facts stated today??? It isn't going to work bud! You're skewing the discussion...even distracting others from what is truly important. People aren't here to discuss any intentions you suggest I have or where I've supposedly drawn any conclusions about gender bias....they're here to discuss the issues of just where our country is headed. They're here...WE'RE here to discuss the community, the nation, the world.

Nice try.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.

My fellow forum dweller, not everybody lived on farms or ranches. You might check the history of the bread lines during the Great Depression. As the years progressed, people had to re-teach themselves about self reliance and sustainability. Wouldn't it be a better situation if people would learn all this *before* the current depression worsens???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.

Your response is absolutely as lame as it gets. If you can't defend your ridiculous unfounded statements which are intended to disparage a persons character, perhaps you should consider not making them in the first place.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.

As usual...name calling prevails by you because this "Person" (is that better, nails???) disagreed and still does with your opinion???

Wait a second...you want Hillary to run as VP??? What's wrong with her going for president??? You don't see her as being ready enough??? She had the same credentials...if not more than Obama did before running for office in the first place. hehehehe...guess you stepped in that one a little deep.

And you are wrong...I understood you completely...even with your grammatical errors. I'll take the reasoning for that is your compassion in your writes and you didn't have time to proofread.

I didn't ask you where or when you had visited any shelters, rescue missions or food lines - just that I'd said it appeared it hadn't been any time recently. You're quite defensive about that one, Hawk...a bit too sensitive in fact.

There's no shame in it, Hawkeye. Heck...I'd rather blurt it out the last time I was at any one of those places...as I donated food and clothing to help out. I think more people should get involved to help. A relative of mine volunteers their time once a month to help feed the homeless and other volunteer efforts for the less capable. Another volunteers their skills to stitch together and provide warm blankets for the homeless as well as those tiny angels in the NICU. You see Hawkeye...me and my family sees the need to help those in need. Sorry you are ashamed to even discuss the matter.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon, goldie --

My great grandparents lived in a little factory town in central PA. During the Depression they (and everyone else around them) dug up their back yards and planted veggie gardens. Also most had chicken coops. Lots of canning and trading going on. From what I was told growing up, beef, dairy, coffee, and flour for baking were the luxury items - but no one starved.

Now, if you lived in a city, or someplace like the Oklahoma dust bowl area - I can imagine it was a different story.

roger — September 25, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.

Mountain out of mole hill on your part perhaps??? If you can't defend your ridiculous politically-slanted smack when someone points out the obvious prejudices you make with copy/pasting your links then utilizing your worthless attacks against those who don't agree with you, then maybe YOU should consider not making them at all.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Restoring Estate Tax To Pre-Bush Level Could Make Huge Strides Toward Avoiding Sequestration**

WASHINGTON -- If the estate tax is restored to a level similar to its rate before the Bush-era tax cuts went into effect, the federal government could rake in over $500 billion in revenue over the next 10 years, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office.

The windfall could make up a large portion of the $1.2 trillion that Congress needs to find by Jan. 2 in order to head off the potentially disastrous sequestration cuts currently scheduled to take effect by the year's end.

"The catastrophe that the House has created is coming," **Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.)** told The Huffington Post. "At some point, people are going to have to face the fact that we need some revenue. And if we don't face that, we're going over a cliff ... When we finally get down to this, it is going to be a bloodbath. We cannot cut the budget of this country $1 trillion without decimating everything that we consider civil government."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25/restoring-estate-tax-to-p_n_1904613.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger @3:21 pm...what you and rincon1 have pointed out is the resources people chose to acquire while fighting the battle of poverty. Bartering and trading was good to an extent...but it wasn't the only answer. People who lived in high-rise apartments didn't have yards to grow their own vegetables or to raise their own livestock.

Malnutrition and disease was rampant during this time as was the suicide rate. The actual death toll is difficult to determine since records weren't reliable but the estimated number was around 12 million.

Here's an excellent link to check out which gives a general overview of the Great Depression, courtesy of Digital History House:

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/children_depression/depression_children_menu.cfm

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh boy, just another day in the forum the QUEEN of a country called drama.

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 3:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


before the spelling teacher kn dalai gets here...in the forum with the Queen of a country called drama.

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 25, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.

There is a soup kitchen in Vancouver, I had an opportunity to see it when we were looking for a missing neighbor. Far from unsightly, watching people helping others with no judging is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:17 p.m

You just can't let it go, can you? Like I said before, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! You can speculate all you want and I don't care about what your family or friends do or don't do.

As far as Hillary running for President this year, no. I like here right where she is and next term she can take over for Obama. I'm sure the Republican'ts won't have anybody qualified available for at least the next 8 years.

Did you want to correct my grammar? Or did you fall off your high horse?

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I agree, just about all rural people had kitchen gardens and had it easier than the city dwellers, as a rule. That's not to say they didn't have a lean time, it was just easier to live if you had room to grow food, garden stuff as well as meats of different kinds.

rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Far from unsightly, watching people helping others with no judging is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.

I guess every cloud can have a silver lining. My poorly made point was that the lines of people around the block in pictures I've seen from the 1930's (not real picturesque)waiting to get a meal, have been replaced by other things. If these changes had not been made, there would be millions lining up today because they have no money for food.

mrd — September 25, 2012 at 4:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Man, puts another slant on "Jesus wept". Are there any right wing evangelicals left who aren't completely nuts?

langenthal/others- The latest in the resurrection of Ralph Reed's money schemes.

**Ralph Reed's Group Compares Obama Policies to Nazi Germany**

*In a "voter registration" mailer, the outfit founded by the ex-Christian Coalition leader also refers to Obama's "Communist beliefs."*

Ralph Reed. Gage Skidmore/Flickr
A mailer blasted out by the Faith and Freedom Coalition, a nonprofit group spending millions of dollars to mobilize evangelical voters this November to help Mitt Romney's campaign, compares President Barack Obama's policies to the threat posed by Nazi Germany and Japan during World War II. It also says that Obama has "Communist beliefs." A copy of this so-called "Voter Registration Confirmation Survey" was obtained by Mother Jones after it was sent to the home of a registered Republican voter.

The Faith and Freedom Coalition is the brainchild of Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition who was once hailed as "the right hand of God" and who is now tasked with getting out the evangelical vote for Romney. In the mid-2000s, Reed was ensnared in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal. Reed was a longtime friend of Abramoff's, and he took payments from Abramoff to lobby against certain American Indian casinos. Reed once ran a religious-themed anti-gambling campaign at the behest of an Abramoff-connected Native American tribe to try to prevent another tribe from opening a competitor casino. His current efforts for Romney are something of a political rehabilitation for Reed.

Read more @

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/ralph-reed-obama-mailer-nazi-communist

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 25, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.

There was an episode of star trek called "A taste of Armageddon" where war existed in their virtual world and casualties had to report to disintegration chambers. The point was that if people don't see the tragedy it never ends.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 4:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Oh boy, just another day in the forum the QUEEN of a country called drama.
soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 3:33 p.m*

i'd rather have a drama queen than a truth-denier.

DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 4:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rather have a drama queen than a truth-denier.

DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

You seem to be more of a mad dog 20-20 and any pill available mixer type.

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

"When was the Seaside riots?
I live during my teens in Boise, in '70 got married and moved to Ca for 2 yrs, then moved to this area in June 72"

crazytrain-December 9, 2010 at 12:47 p.m.

"...the naiveness, blindness or maybe I should say ignorance of those on the left. As goldenoldie has stated, you are clueless..."

crazytrain — September 25, 2012 at 4:39 p.m.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Latest 2012 Polls Show Biggest Barack Obama Lead Yet**

WASHINGTON -- Monday's new polls produced no signs that President Barack Obama's recent polling "bounce" is fading. If anything, the latest surveys indicate that his lead over Republican nominee Mitt Romney may be expanding.

A sign of the depth of Obama's current advantage comes from the fact that he led at least nominally on 19 of 20 new polls HuffPost Pollster logged into its database on Monday, including six national releases and a dozen new statewide polls. The exception was a new poll in Montana, a state not carried by the Democrats since 1992.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25/2012-polls-barack-obama-lead_n_1912113.html

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.

You went back thru two years of posts to point out something that not only has been thoroughly discussed but is irrelevant? I have to say, that's kind of creepy.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- Not correct in your assumption, a bit more modernized, but thanks!

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ahhh yes, the polls...an incomplete tally of opinionated yet unofficial questions asked...usually targeting a select group hardly willing to take time away from their very important day to provide straight answers.

According to crazytrain's H. Stern link, some think Obama chose Paul Ryan as his running mate and that Romney is African American. Others believe McCain and Palin are running again this year and have a 20-40 edge on Obama. What cracks me up is that some on that excerpt don't even realize OBL is already out of the picture. Makes you wonder who's answering these polls now, huh!!! Hopefully the people in the link posted by crazytrain...will not vote if they know what's good for our country.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"cRaZy"- Thought I would help you out with the rest of the article you failed to print. Didn't want you to appear to be...disingenuous or anything.

And here's...the rest of the story. (an extremely conservative publication ta boot)

According to Rasmussen, the rich and the poor chose Biden as the most qualified to be president, but likely voters earning $20,000-$75,000 picked Ryan.

Overall, however, the public is split 44 percent to 44 percent over who is better qualified to be commander-in-chief. The split is much larger when the vote is broken out among Democrats and Republicans and whites and blacks.

Men and women also split, with men favoring Ryan over Biden 55 percent to 38 percent and women choosing Biden 49 percent to 36 percent.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/middle-class-says-ryan-not-biden-ready-to-be-president/article/2508860?custom_click=rss#.UGJbmhwU7Dr

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Nails...does calling someone names like "Crazy Lady" and "Drama Queen," show any type of gender bias here on the forum or is this acceptable discussion points since it's your little fan club saying it?

Just curious.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Some homeless shelters are NOT doing good around in the area's because they are seeing a maximum occupancy far more than they have before. How do I know this? I am an active volunteer. I will say this, the Clark County Food Bank- does need extra help. What about the WHO or Portland Rescue Mission? They could always use extra people. What about reaching out into the community and doing a random act of kindness?? Do any of you know how it is to be the one who would provide food for someone who needed it and is now on the side of receiving the food? Or to give extra food to a lady who was around 80-90 years old because her social security was cut only to find out they found her dead from starvation in her apartment a few weeks later? Or seeing a man who is down and out on his luck, no food, dirty/rotten clothes,and he gave up his meal to a lady because she deserved to have the food more than he does? If anyone thinks the shelters are fine and dandy, you're wrong. But those people have something that many take advantage of now-a-days, living, laughing, and loving. The people that go through the lines walk by faith not by site.

Roger 24/9/2012 @ 5:44 Enjoyed that article- I've always thought the world has been here for God knows how long, but how was evolution created? I think someone had to snap their fingers (metaphor) to get the ball rolling. I always think to teach of both ways not just one because there is always two sides to every story. Oh and to answer last week, Yes I am studying Greek Orthodox but I am also studying Christianity at large.

~Swiper no swiping, swiper no swiping! HAHA the only show I let my toddler watch!

mxfun118 — September 25, 2012 at 6:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:03 p.m

Would you prefer "Crazy Man" or "Drama King"?

Pick nits, much?

Get over yourself

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This might help explain this fervor on the right claiming conspiracy in polling.

**Conservatives Embrace Alternate Polling Reality**

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/conservatives-embrace-alternate-polling-reality

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Can you all please (except Roger LOL) go and get some action in the bedroom? Oh my goodness I know they have viagra or cialis in the old folks home and it is available by Rx. Please go get LAID so your mouths are shut even if it means going onto 82nd ave in Portland. I'll make it a field trip for you guys as long as you don't mind a fast and noisy car (hehehe wrx). Or get you the Rx or the ky intense gel!

mxfun118 — September 25, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*they're here to discuss the issues of just where our country is headed. They're here...WE'RE here to discuss the community, the nation, the world.*

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.

goldie @ 6:03- You seem to have gotten off your message.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Funny...I ask Hawkeye a question and nailingit answers. Now I ask nailingit a question and Hawkeye answers. They both post definitions exactly like the other and are both on the attack consistently.

Hawkeye...if I was asking you, I would have posted your name on the comment. Did you see your name on my question to nailingit? I sure as heck didn't. I was just following up on a statement made by nails.

Get over your own self and take mxfun's advice at 6:14 would ya???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.

Stop spewing out the BS and side steppipng the issues with your clouded and obviously politically-unbalanced links and maybe some serious discussion can return to the forum. Sooo....no answer to my question, huh! Cat got yer tongue???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- Great minds et cetera! Here's the link I had saved including comments:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/25/1136311/-Covering-all-the-bases-Abramoff-pal-Ralph-Reed-links-Obama-to-Nazis-and-commies-in-a-single-mailer

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.

I'm finding that as this recession/depression continues, more churches that have added ground space which used to be empty fields are turning their fields into community gardens to help those who don't have the space at their homes. This is yet another example of people working together to cut the problem of hunger in our community.

Watching the local PBS channels, you will also find they are promoting the growing of more crops in ways which provides a higher yield in less space. It is this kind of knowledge everyone should acquire...even those with limited space such as with an apartment with a balcony or locating community gardens. You'd be surprised at how much could be grown on a balcony. Also...seed savers exchanges is a great way to acquire the next season's crops for those who find the pricey packages in the store to cost too much.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LISTEN UP OLD LADY!!!

It was YOU that insisted on butting your nose into my conversation with DWB goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 8:06 a.m.

Nobody asked for YOUR input, you volunteered

"Hawkeye...if I was asking you, I would have posted your name on the comment. Did you see your name on my question to nailingit? I sure as heck didn't. I was just following up on a statement made by nails."

In that vein; YOU DIDN'T SEE YOUR NAME ON MY QUESTION TO DWB, DID YOU?

BUTT OUT!

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Get over your own self and take mxfun's advice at 6:14 would ya???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

you and your little Oedi already done?

soapbox4u — September 25, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Funny...I ask Hawkeye a question and nailingit answers. Now I ask nailingit a question and Hawkeye answers. They both post definitions exactly like the other and are both on the attack consistently.

Hawkeye...if I was asking you, I would have posted your name on the comment. Did you see your name on my question to nailingit? I sure as heck didn't. I was just following up on a statement made by nails.

Get over your own self and take mxfun's advice at 6:14 would ya???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.

Stop spewing out the BS and side steppipng the issues with your clouded and obviously politically-unbalanced links and maybe some serious discussion can return to the forum. Sooo....no answer to my question, huh! Cat got yer tongue???

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

they're here to discuss the issues of just where our country is headed. They're here...WE'RE here to discuss the community, the nation, the world.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.

goldie @ 6:03- **You seem to have gotten off your message.**

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- Great comments! I wonder how a few in the forum would respond to it! :)))

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 6:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**ARE we in danger of collapse?**

this is an excerpt from a blog post by Stephen Walt, a professor of international relations at Harvard University.

> We like to think that open societies
> foster a well-functioning "marketplace
> of ideas," and that the clash of
> different views will weed out foolish
> notions and ensure that problems get
> identified and addressed in a timely
> fashion. Sometimes that's probably
> true, but when well-funded special
> interests can readily pollute the
> national mind, intellectual market
> failure is the more likely result.
> After all, it is often easier and
> cheaper to invent self-serving lies
> and distortions than it is to ferret
> out the truth, and there are plenty of
> people (and organizations) for whom
> truth-telling is anathema and
> self-serving political propaganda is
> the norm. When professional falsifiers
> are more numerous, better-funded, and
> louder than truth-tellers, society
> will get dumber over time and will end
> up repeating the same blunders.

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/08/25/what_i_learned_from_jared_diamond?wpisrc=obnetwork

DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- Read - Think - Respond.

Surely you jest!!

[Please spare me the Shirley jokes!]

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.

I find it a bit disturbing that Romney thinks this guy is "helping" him.

On the other hand, I would prefer if the current administration would drop the embargo on Cuba and open it up to tourists.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye and Nailingit --- Tried to post this in the a.m. but it continues not to work so will send in 2 parts. work.

I wonder if most voters understand that Supreme Court appointments are lifetime tenure appointments. Romney's puppeteers [Adelson, Kochs, et al] would select candidates that would make Justice Thomas look like a pillar of integrity and intellect. Justice Scalia would look like a radical leftist.

[I'm not an Obamabot. I am very disappointed in Obama's continued support of Arne Duncan. He needs to be kicked to the curb asap. He's a real embarrassment to say the least.]

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: Ralph Reed -- This is from the Wiki article on him.

"Reed has said that, in September 1983, he had a religious experience while at Bullfeathers, an upscale pub in Capitol Hill that was popular with staffers (and, to a lesser extent, members) of the House of Representatives. Regarding the experience, Reed said "the Holy Spirit simply demanded me to come to Jesus". He walked outside the pub to a phone booth, thumbed through the yellow pages under "Churches," and found the Evangel Assembly of God Church in Camp Springs, Maryland.He visited the next morning and became a born-again Christian."

I'm sure there's a song in this somewhere -- drinking with the devil and saved by Jesus.

roger — September 25, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My favorite comment;

"Rich people are not the cause of a robust economy, they are the result of a robust economy."

Just about says it all.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldieoldie, thank you, I will look into the PBS station. Yes window boxes are good for more than flowers. I have some motherearth books. I like them, they have some good stuff in them. Like with all things you have to sift through them to get the ideas you want.

rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mxfun118 — September 25, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.

For another take on homeless people, check out this article from The Oregonian - especially the comments that follow it. Most of the posters who appear to have some knowledge say what you say - help at or donate to established shelters. Giving money to the panhandlers on the streets just makes that problem worse.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/09/portlands_livability_conflicts.html

roger — September 25, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail and Hawkeye,also MRD and mathou, what is your take on the Howard Stern bit. I haven't seen it yet. I have heard the repubs comments but not the other side. I would be interested in hearing them. Thankyou.

rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And I'm wondering why I shouldn't get laid too? Oh well - guess I'll do something useful like see if there's a show about aliens coming to Earth on TV. King Abdullah of Jordan is John Stewart's guest tonight; that may be interesting.

Hey!!! "New" web editor John Hill - Not sure if you're paying attention, or if you've joined Editor Lou and decided to ignore us. ANYHOW - Could you PLEASE do something about killing this ridiculous CAPTCHA? If there were any to begin with, I'd say we've scared all the robo spammers off; they must have decided they can't compete with the people who post here every day.

roger — September 25, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- SCOTUS appointees are my biggest concern with a Romney admin. Pretty sure Ginsburg is going soon due to age/health concerns, and three others in play considering age and Scaliaitis! More than scary if the court moves further right. I've always held that arguably, SCJ is the most powerful position in our land. We need some type of term limits imo. 20 years maybe?

Don't know if you got to check out Brian Williams/Romney interview/Q&A; today on education.

Of course Romney dished out RWTP with voucherizing schools and stricter guidelines on teacher performance/test scores. When Romney compliments Duncan you know somethings odiferous. Not sure where you stand on this but would like to know if you have time. Lengthy involved subject I know.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 3:16 a.m.

The US notices it because we are members of the Security Council. If the body passes a resolution, the world looks to us to enact the policy within our own borders. If for no other reason, if we fail to do so, some countries would love the opportunity to say we are thumbing our noses at the UN, the way we accuse so many others of doing (Iran, Iraq for example).

This could prove to be a no win situation if they make such a resolution.

danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Rincon1 --- Were you the one that wanted discussion on local issues?

I went to one of Ms Wylie's coffees a few weeks ago. I encourage anyone in the district who would like to have a real conversation to try to drop by. She doesn't do the "bullshit baffle". You can hear that she has depth and she brings a lot of background & experience to the job. She doesn't shy away from questions neither does she rustle papers and read her answers. I appreciated her varied working career. I have also worked more than one job at a time so I could relate to that. I also admired the types of accomplishments she has to her credit.

This is from yesterday's Columbian:

49th District Position 1 House race: State Rep. Sharon Wylie, D-Vancouver, will host a "coffee and conversation" event from 10 a.m. to noon Wednesday at the Starbucks at Garrison Square, 8086 E. Mill Plain Blvd.

Wylie is seeking re-election to her 49th District House seat and is challenged by Republican Debbie Peterson. For more information, contact Wylie's campaign at 360-901-8551 or campaign@sharonfor49th.com.

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.

The only possible good that could come out of a Romney presidency is the Supreme Court justices. Have your ever even read any of Thomas' opinions, I could suggest you read the conservative dissents in Gonzales v. Raich. That should give you some insight on the need for conservative justices.

What is your issue with the Kochs? Is it their support for ending the wars? Their support of Gay marriage? Their opposition to the drug war? Forcing 67000 people to work union wage jobs? The hundreds of millions they give to cancer hospitals? Support for NOVA? Maybe the dinosaur exhibit at the Smithsonian that they paid for?

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon- Howard had one of his "ace" reporters select the biggest know nothings bias people they could find. Something Stern admits to. Ridiculous/comedy driven stuff. Entertainment for some on the right. For others, factually driven rhetoric for low info's to use as a forum talking point.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice try tho, keep on keeping on nail, dat hole you's diggin is getting deeper!

crazytrain — September 25, 2012 at 7:24 p.m

If I keep digging, will I see the top of your head???

---

Man, it's kinda fun throwing some bones to the trolls today. Guilty pleasure I suppose! I'll quit pretty soon though, if for anything else out of self respect! :)) Truly some golden moments!

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.

The "food lines" are no longer people lining up somewhere to get a free meal. The "food lines" can now be found in the grocery store.

And before anyone gets giddy thinking I am talking about how well everyone is doing that they are able to shop and feed their family, I will point out that many more of those people shopping at the grocery store are using food stamps.

This may be evidence of our willingness to help out those in need, and I will agree with you. But it is also evidence that they are in need because of a lack of means, or a lack of willingness, to support themselves.

danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Today's talking points are enough to make a person blow chips.

Excuse me while I go...

crazytrain-June 14, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

Every web site that doesn't fit into your little liberal world is according to you a extremely conservative publication ^snort^

crazytrain — September 25, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XTAo6QEqkM

"Hey Nails...does calling someone names like "Crazy Lady" and "Drama Queen," show any type of gender bias here on the forum ..."

Just curious.

goldenoldie — September 25, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I will try again. Thankyou nailingit, that is kinda what i thought. That is my idea on the polls too.

rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


SCOTUS appointees are my biggest concern with a Romney admin. Pretty sure Ginsburg is going soon due to age/health concerns, and three others in play considering age and Scaliaitis! More than scary if the court moves further right. I've always held that arguably, SCJ is the most powerful position in our land. We need some type of term limits imo. 20 years maybe?
Nailingit 7:33

Agreed. That's a point I try to make when talking to hesitant voters. I know there are many disillusioned educators that want what's best for children and not the corporations who are talking about not voting or under voting. However, by November, I hope most will come around to see what's at stake. It's a huge task to try to pry education reform away from corporations, Michele Rhee, Eli Broad, Pearson, Gates, & Duncan.

I've been tryng to send 2 links but they keep getting filtered. Any suggestions?

Will send more on education issues later. It's not an easy subject for many to grasp given the hype and huge bucks that are being spent by corporations right now.

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.

Promoting hate and division?

That is done by every media outlet and politician out there. Don't believe it? They why do all the news outlets give poll data that includes data from specific demographics? This is division.

Not hate? I have stated before that by focusing on these divisions, we perpetuate the attitudes that allow the hate.

Losing the division will not eliminate the hate, but I strongly believe that it will be a step in stemming it, leading to eventual eradication.

danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I've been tryng to send 2 links but they keep getting filtered. Any suggestions?*

Nothing comes to mind as long as characters are under 3000. Sometimes it's like the Republican primary's, a crapshoot!

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.\

Yes, we all want higher taxes don't we?

Afterall, the problem is only a matter of income. There is not a problem whatsoever in spending. Except for defense that is.

danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm sure there's a song in this somewhere -- drinking with the devil and saved by Jesus.
Roger 7:11

Don't mean to be sacrilegious but this hymn popped into my head:

There is power, power, wonder-working power in the precious blood of the lamb.

[Or at least booze from Bullfeathers and a job at Pat Robertson's knee.]

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DBW @ 8:08- It's the nature of the beast. Something each individual is subjected to. BS will always exist (although in your world I suppose it ends when the lion lays down with the lamb) It's a matter of degree, intent, and motivation compounded with truth/lies. To say all do it (and to some degree yes) only serves to blur the lines and give cause for many not to use their..."God given filter".

Beck uses his podium to stir up hate for those already inclined to act that way. On top of that he bleeds em' dry and faults government, extolling trashy conspiracy theories. Dudes like a bad comic book. The National Enquirer/telephone scam artists/used car dealers rolled into one, taking advantage of mostly older folks that are confused to begin with, and unfortunately affecting the political spectrum to some degree.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 7:39 p.m**

she's one of the good guys. she's got *my* vote.

**This could prove to be a no win situation if they make such a resolution. danabwoodley — September 25, 2012 at 7:35 p.m**

too bad 9/11 didn't target the un imho. ralph nader wants to charge the big 'o' with treason...didn't followup on why, but i could see reasons for it. we're actually pandering to and paying bills for an organization that appoints a muslim whacko, who denies any rights to women, to the human rights council..? riiiight. **you're** certainly relevant. michelle's comment about 'never been proud of my country' certainly comes to mind when wondering if her hsb would defy our constitution.

**roger — September 25, 2012 at 7:33 p.m Hey!!! "New" web editor John Hill - Not sure if you're paying attention, or if you've joined Editor Lou and decided to ignore us**

one of his first official acts was banning me again on fb....samo samo. i've sent an email reminding him of my agreement w/matt: i will fax him a piece of mail with my name on it *if that's the last time my identity will be questioned*. matt let all posts stand: johnnie banned me immediately....yeah, the 1st amendment is the press's best friend, huh....

DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Always the victim.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I sense someone's doing their homework. Study hall can be a ball.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- The C is filtering because they need to shield the delicate eyes of the basement dwellers.

Google PCTC blog and then scroll to:

What has Obama Done? Here Are 200 Accomplishments! With Citations! [This is in a sidebar to the right.]

September 14, 2012
Here's What Obamacare Does; Sell it With All Your Might

September 18, 2012
Forget Willard and the GOP; Here's a New Bill of Rights for ALL Americans

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is it safe? Can I come out now? Been hiding for two days here, reading silently. Is it the weather.? Do we need rain to clear the cobwebs from some brains? Why is everybody snippety and cranky? This is Washington State, not Washington DC. The back and forth, the bitching and whining, you'd think this is the basement of the Capitol building.
Move on, people. Have a brewski, do October fest. You will feel better, trust me.
Note that I did not send you off for carnal fun like another poster. Just a few harmless swigs.

luvithere — September 25, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I can think of several things Obama has done.

Asked for and received extensions of the Patriot act.

Singed into law NDAA giving himself the power to indefinitely detain Citizens without judicial review.

Ordered the extrajudicial assassination of Citizens.

Shut down more medical marijuana establishments already than Bush did in his 8 years.

Committed military to operations without constitutionally required congressional oversight.

Kind of makes Bush look like a champion of civil liberties doesn't he?

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, I saw my typo after I posted.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, we all want higher taxes don't we?

Afterall, the problem is only a matter of income. There is not a problem whatsoever in spending. Except for defense that is.

then tax consumption, not income. the rich folks will finally have to pony up, and the poor folks won't pay a dispropotionate percent of their income in payroll taxes, sales taxes, state income taxes, gasoline taxes, need I go on?

But, it'll be a cold day in hell before there's tax equality. After all, can't tax the "job creators", or they'll not create any jobs. But how do we tax the Chinese anyway? Or the Nikes of the world that "outsource" their production to essentially slave labor camps in China? Wanna live in a factory provided dorm and make ipods? For slave wages? Pay off your indentured debt as the Malaysians do? Even the Chinese don't want to and rebel against the system. Saw pictures of the factory that had a revolt of 2,000 workers and it had dozens of military/police trucks on the grounds. There's our future, folks. We'll serve the military/industrial complex or die. Think I'm nuts? The US's exports of killing machinery increased 3 fold in 2011. We now have 78% of the world's market for arms sales. We'll supply a war wherever, whenever, however because there's money to be made. Simply put, we suck. But the corporations that live on the governments teat will prosper. Anytime there's government $$$ tossed around, savy companies will suckle off it, and the taxpayers will provide the money for them.

Did helping mortgagees with underwater loans (a bad investment) ever even come up? Of course not. But taxpayer money was used to insure investors (making the same bad investments) didn't lose near as much wealth. But then again, it's our job. The masses must protect the rich. Our very existence is a gift from these folks. Sheesh......

Gotta be careful here. In our "free" society advocating the overthrow of the US government is illegal, so I wouldn't do that. I think I can say, however, it seems strange our government will support an "Arab Spring" (as long as the results favor the government's position) but totally dimiss most populist movements in this country-the real ones. It's sad there's no place on the presidential ballot for "none of the above", forcing us to place a candidate that doesn't suck or one that isn't the same as the other on the ballot.

mrd — September 25, 2012 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- Loved these two paragraphs. Great "New Bill Of Rights"!

What Willard Romney said in May in front of his rich investors (and let's face it; no one donates $10 million to anyone without expecting a return) shouldn't actually surprise anyone; this is how the current version of a Republican thinks; that people with lots of money are the brains behind the country, and all the rest of us are just a bother. Ironically, the biggest freeloaders in this country are among the richest companies and people in the world, and the states getting the most actual welfare are red states. Also, consider the fact that the guy who handed you your fries paid more in payroll taxes than Wlllard Romney paid in income taxes that one year he's let us see so far, but he thinks that rate is too high and should be cut in half.

The most bothersome part about the Romney diatribe, though, is how ingrained his attitude has become throughout this formerly great country. If you start working once you graduate high school, you'll be in the workforce for 50 years or more. During that time, you'll pay hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in taxes, health insurance premiums and other various and sundry charges that come along during that time. Yet, many who ask for help are looked upon with scorn or pity, and that simply should not be the case. The vast majority of us pay far more into the system than we'll ever take out of it, expect possibly at the end of our lives, if we happen to be one of those unique individuals who gets to live more than a century.

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere --- This is for you. How about a little levity among the basement Sturm und Drang of the day? However, Ignore User works for me.

I think everyone knows the context of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHXevn...

langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL!!!

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 25, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.

If we tax consumption, the poor who use all of their income on consumption, will pay a disproportionate amount as all or their income will be taxed.

As far as the bank bailouts go we have to look further. Warren Buffett owned the banks that failed, owned the rating agency that rated their toxic paper as AAA, and companies that he invested in received close to half a trillion dollars in bailout funds. Then we got "Obamacare" which forces citizens to purchase insurance from private companies or face a penalty, the insurance companies are still allowed to charge what ever they want. The largest investor in insurance companies is non other than Warren Buffett. Now we have the proposal for the "Buffett rule" which will "tax the rich" but it will not, it will only tax high end wage earners, the "Buffett Rule" would not cover capital gains, which ironically is where Buffett makes all of his money.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 8:47 p.m.

Here fro, for your continued education;

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.

Is that meant as a joke?

You might want to check some of the "facts" with some of the non partisan fact checking sites.

More garbage from a leftist blogs, and you guys think you have room to criticize Fox?

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 10:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 25, 2012 at 10:38 p.m

Seriously? What would you know about non partisan fact checking sites.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 10:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When running for President in 2008, Obama promised to not use federal funds to circumvent state medical marijuana laws. Today the Obama justice department targeted more dispensaries in one day than the Bush administration did in eight years.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/feds-target-71-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-in-la-county.html

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 10:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 25, 2012 at 10:59 p.m

Did you even READ the story? Dispensaries are supposed to be NON-PROFIT! These stores were making millions. I guess that's OK with you. And YOU were the one whining about inhalers costing so much.

Also, riddle me this, Fro.... How many dispensaries were around when Bush was in office as compared to now? I'll bet not so many.

hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**frobert**

they also told us that federal funds wouldn't go to pay for abortions.

and the justice dept resembles one in russia more than the united states' highest protection of justice.

DeeLittle — September 25, 2012 at 11:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 11:12 p.m.`

When have I ever complained about inhalers costing too much? I complained about them being taken off of the market in a completely partisan move, that demonstrated total disregard for human life, by Senate democrats.

frobert — September 25, 2012 at 11:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


For anyone up. Lady Ann is about to appear on the tonight show. Should be a hoot!

nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 11:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ann did all right! Looked great!

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 12:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — September 25, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.

This happens when a certain duo posts and others decide to share their 2 cents worth. The certain duo doesn't like it when others prove them wrong so the insults fly. Bruised egos for sure!!!

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hawkeye — September 25, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.

Nope! No can do. You and nailingit have proven you chime into other people's discussions. It's a two-way street, hawkeye...not the forum according to your rules. Just click on "ignore user" and POOF!!! You won't see my comments anymore and won't have the urge to preserve your ego to answer them.

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nailingit — September 25, 2012 at 8:05 p.m.

Why is it I'm not surprised you chose a video link to respond...since you have issues with stating your own words??? Nails, you silly person, you...I was responding to your question at 12:47pm regarding the "gender card," as you were accusing me of playing that card yet it's okay for your fellow forum comrade (who you have spoken for on more than one occasion) to utilize gender bias in fits of rage. If the "gentlemen" of the forum (and I use that term loosely) don't want women bringing up such facts as a response to the question raised, then maybe they need not ask such a futile question in the first place.

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 6:47 a.m.

Or, you can just butt your butt out of my thread.

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It is my opinion that one of the best ways to see what our president is doing is to check the signed executive orders.

February 13, 2011: Remember his proposal to cut $100 Billion from the Pell Grant Program and higher education programs???

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/13/news/economy/obama_budget_pell_grants/index.htm

..

EO 13621 - Signed July 26, 2012

EO 13592 - Signed December 2, 2011

EO 13532 Signed February 26, 2010

EO 13555 Signed October 19, 2010

Okay...granted, everyone has a right to education excellence but programs are already in place to help ALL who seek a better education. It is the personal urge...the drive to seek that better education and the opportunities are there IF the current programs aren't butchered by those seeking special interest groups in order to gain votes. Seems to me these two orders are a maneuver to separate ethnic groups...but then again, that's my opinion.
.

EO 13528 Signed January 11, 2010 - Establishment of the Council of Governors...

I don't dare say what I think about THIS one!!! Let's just say...things aren't always what they appear to be.

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1 — September 25, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.

You're welcome...

BTW, think upward when planning a window box. If you have an overhang and live in an apartment or condo, maybe the landlord could approve a couple of hooks for hanging planters. Tomatoes and strawberries do well in those upside down contraptions.

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 7:15 a.m.

Such a classy response!!!

Hawk, this *isn't* your thread. That is...unless someone who works for the C has hijacked your avatar...THEN it's your thread. Sounds like you need a vacation.

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, Nailingit

Just got this email from Little Creek Casino;

The Rock N Blues Fest will be a show like no other. Legendary musicians Edgar Winter, Rick Derringer, Canned Heat and Kim Simmonds of Savoy Brown will take the stage in the Skookum Creek Event Center for an unforgettable night.

October 19th, doors open at 7pm, tickets are on sale now for $50, $55, $60.

Should be a blast.

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**
i was thinking the *exact same thing* about all those mushroom-posts casting aspersions on our gender.

but then, maybe i *am* you.....

it couldn't be more obvious some here are sexists and are (dare i say it?) waging a war on women.

DeeLittle — September 26, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**goldie**

what did you think of the harvard professor's opinion on our country's impending collapse?

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/08/25/what_i_learned_from_jared_diamond?wpisrc=obnetwork

DeeLittle — September 26, 2012 at 8:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 26, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.

The left has a bad habit of getting quite misogynistic when women think on their own and don't believe what they are told. Liberals believe that all "intelligent" women will believe what liberal men tell them to believe. One only has to look at the comments on here a while back about Michelle Bachmann, I personally do not subscribe to her NeoCon/Religious right views, but I would never question her intelligence.

frobert — September 26, 2012 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. (AP) — Some of the tea party Republicans elected to Congress two years ago are seeing their beliefs put to the test as they campaign for second terms.

They're caught between their promises to rein in government spending and the demands of constituents who had grown accustomed to money and projects being steered back home.

In Michigan, freshman Dan Benishek has drawn criticism for voting to cut rural airline subsidies and failing to seek continued federal funding of an Olympic scholarship program in his district.

His Democratic opponent says Benishek is putting ideology ahead of his constituents' needs.

Benishek says voters sent him to Washington to reduce the deficit and that's what he's trying to do.

***How's that tea tasting now???***

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***Uh-Oh, there's trouble on the trail***


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Name-calling begins as reported rift opens between ‘Stench’ Romney and ‘Gilligan’ Ryan (via Raw Story )


Vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) has apparently “gone rogue” and is now openly mocking his running mate, former Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) in front of reporters and staff. Ryan has gone so far as to nickname Romney “The Stench,” and top brass at the Romney campaign have taken to…



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hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


try again

Vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) has apparently “gone rogue” and is now openly mocking his running mate, former Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) in front of reporters and staff. Ryan has gone so far as to nickname Romney “The Stench,” and top brass at the Romney campaign have taken to referring to Ryan as “Gilligan.”

It was former political director of the Republican Party of Iowa Craig Robinson who said to the New York Times on Sunday, “I hate to say this, but if Ryan wants to run for national office again, he’ll probably have to wash the stench of Romney off of him.”

The remark has been taken up by Paul Ryan as an inside joke on the campaign trail. Politico‘s Roger Simon reported that while Ryan “had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, ‘If Stench calls, take a message’ and ‘Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.’”

Meanwhile, according to Simon’s anonymous sources, the Romney “brain trust” of senior campaign officials in Boston have taken to calling Ryan “Gilligan.” Campaign headquarters apparently feels that the man brought on to the ticket for his alleged deftness in navigating complicated snarls of budget and policy numbers is turning out to be an intellectual flyweight.

Outward signs have indicated rumblings of discontent on Ryan’s part regarding Romney’s leadership. When the now-infamous “47 percent” tape surfaced, Ryan slammed Romney’s words as “obviously inarticulate,” although he said he hewed to the statements in principle.

Raw Story (http://s.tt/1op63)

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The rest of the story;

The turning point allegedly came last Friday when Ryan addressed the AARP and earned boos from the crowd, a crowd that included his 78-year-old mother. Campaign officials, including Iraq War architect Dan Senor, had ordered Ryan to deliver his speech with no off-the-cuff remarks, to stick to the script provided for him.

The crowd reacted badly, booing loudly when the candidate vowed to repeal “Obamacare,” and embarrassing him in front of his mother. On Saturday, Ryan went off script and rebelled by delivering his stump speech as a PowerPoint presentation.

“I’m kind of a PowerPoint guy, so I hope you’ll bear with me,” Politico quotes Ryan as saying to the audience. He then began “clicking through four slides, which showed graphs depicting U.S. debt held by the public from 1940 to present, debt per person in the United States, percentage of debt held by foreign countries and a breakdown of federal spending” and “launched into a 10-minute monologue on the federal debt.”

When the campaign reacted angrily, Politico claimed that Ryan responded, “Let Ryan be Ryan and Stench be Stench.”

Recent polling has Romney and Ryan trailing President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden in key battleground states, including Ohio, which is considered a necessary win if Romney is to have any hope of winning the presidency.

Raw Story (http://s.tt/1op63)

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 10:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This happens when a certain duo posts and others decide to share their 2 cents worth. The certain duo doesn't like it when others prove them wrong so the insults fly. Bruised egos for sure!!!goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 6:47 a.m

Actually, I see insults on all sides and I also see how many others don't want to be seen wrong. I also have not yet felt attacked on this site at all because I am female and voice my opinion.

Sorry, GO, but there's plenty of blame to spread when it comes to sniping here. If blame even needs to or should be spread.

luvithere — September 26, 2012 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 8:05- Kim Simmonds is one of my favorite blues guitarists. Wonderful creamy tone. I've got a butt ton of Savoy Brown CD's, among favorites Raw Sienna & Street Corner Talking. Might have to check it out! Many thanks for bringing this info to the forum.

luvit- Well said.

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 25, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.

Laughing, laughing.

That was the best Bond movie ever. In a class by itself.

I've got the thing on the old VHS. Think I might watch that tonight.

kn_dalai — September 26, 2012 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, here's a new twist.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Supporters of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney plan a campaign fundraiser for him Thursday in Hong Kong as U.S.-China trade friction becomes an issue in the White House race.

Romney supporters already have raised more than $385,000 for him in Hong Kong, a world financial center that has been administered by China since Britain turned it over in 1997.

Romney accuses China's government of trade, currency and intellectual property abuses, and says President Barack Obama has failed to confront Chinese officials as the abuses worsened.

Obama supporters say the administration has stood up to China and accuse Romney's former firm, Bain Capital, of aiding the shift of American jobs to China.

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai --- 1:28 This was 1964 and the 3rd Bond film. I don't know how it holds up now. Ebert wrote the review below in 1999. I saw the early Bond movies starting in 1962 with Dr No. I was reading all the Fleming novels too. Pres Kennedy was a fan of Fleming so the author was popular too. This was before all the special effects movies that came later. Bond films really were a big deal then. I'm assuming you weren't seeing them in early 60s.

BTW, I watched "Space Cowboys" & enjoyed so picked up a couple more Eastwood. Tommy Lee Jones was in movies I watched this summer too. Can't find "Dash" but I'll continue to search. Watched "Remains of the Day" this summer. Seems I was on an Anthony Hopkins binge after my Jeff Bridges indulgence.

Ebert - 1999
Of all the Bonds, "Goldfinger" (1964) is the best, and can stand as a surrogate for the others. If it is not a great film, it is a great entertainment, and contains all the elements of the Bond formula that would work again and again. It's also interesting as the link between the more modest first two Bonds and the later big-budget extravaganzas; after this one, producers Albert "Cubby" Broccoli and Harry Saltzman could be certain that 007 was good for the long run.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19990131/REVIEWS08/401010322/1023

langenthal — September 26, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 26, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.

Dee, my friend and fellow clone (wink, wink), I found the discussion on the link to be quite fascinating and pretty doggoned spot on. I do note that the gentleman who wrote the piece continually stated phrases like "may have" or "may not"...leading some to speculate the information provided. In my opinion, the most accurate comments stated were in the fourth source and the fifth source.

Thanks for sharing.

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- Surprised that Adelson was so forthcoming about his Romney expectations.

Sheldon Adelson: Investigation Into His Casinos By Justice Department Is Top Reason For Backing Romney

Adelson's casino empire, the bulk of which is based in Asia, is being investigated for bribery and money laundering. He told Allen that Justice Department officials have been disparaging him in the press. "When I see what's happening to me and this company, about accusations that are unfounded -- that kind of behavior ... has to stop," he told Allen.

In other words, Adelson is spending millions of dollars to curry political favor in the United States, hoping to fend off charges that he spent millions of dollars to curry political favor in Asia.

Among a number of stories in the press lately, The New York Times dove into the murky China-dominated world in which Adelson's casino's thrive:

Federal investigators began looking into the Sands's China activities after the former president of the company's Macau operations filed a wrongful-termination lawsuit in 2010. The former executive, Steven C. Jacobs, charged, among other things, that he had been pressured to exercise improper leverage against government officials in Macau, and that the company had turned a blind eye to Chinese organized crime figures operating in its casinos. (The Jacobs lawsuit raised questions about payments to another well-connected local figure -- a lawyer and legislator in Macau -- that were recently explored by ProPublica and are also part of the federal bribery investigation.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/adelson-investigation-justice-department_n_1917141.html

langenthal — September 26, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — September 26, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.

Sorry luvithere, but I didn't place the blame solely on two people. I focused on the "duo" due to their discussion format they chose to engage in rebuttal of my statements. Just the suggestion in a response to someone else who asked the question sent them into a tailspin. THAT is why I mentioned the "certain duo" comment. They don't like to be proven wrong...obviously true. Just a review of their comments as the issue escalated displayed their inability to cope well with correction by others and resulted in insults and name calling.

Truthfully, I don't think anybody enjoys their bubble being burst when it comes to what they perceive as facts...weren't really facts but responses based on emotion. I took what nailingit had asked and applied it to two clear examples of gender discrimination and requested a response from nailingit. And what was it I received??? Some ridiculous, childlike video...no response from the person...just a copy/pasted link. He couldn't even dignify my question with an answer.

Now in my case, if I felt I was in the wrong by asking...I'd be willing to admit it. I've admitted errors at times here on the forum. Was I wrong for asking such a question as I did to nailingit? It is my understanding that I was not. Chances are, the two I referenced have never admitted when they have been in the wrong, even with facts backing the statement of others.

Definitely an interesting study in human behavior, wouldn't you say???

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 2:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Langenthal...you ought to check out the movie "Gran Torino."

For anybody who doesn't realize it...Clint Eastwood was in a few comedies like "Every Which Way but Loose" and "Any Which Way you Can." He also starred in "Paint Your Wagon," "Bronco Billy" and "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot."

goldenoldie — September 26, 2012 at 2:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 26, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.

I’ve never been a big fan of Roger Ebert, but I think his assessment of James Bond is right on.

And yes, Langenthal, I’ve seen the Bond Movies since, not the early but the mid sixties.

I don’t care much for Connery in a lot of other things, except Red October, but he was just great as James Bond.

I thought George Lazenby was an excellent Bond in “On Her Majesty's Secret Service”. Don’t know what happened to him after that.

Roger Moore was excellent as Bond afterwards, but in a different kind of way. With Moore, the Bond movies became more…farfetched, but had their own quality. My favorite Moore Bond movie was Octopussy. I like it better that any other Bond movie except for Goldfinger.

After Moore, they took on a little darker side, and I’m not a real big fan of the Bond movies after that. Although I think D. Craig is a good Bond. It’s all about the story lines, or lack thereof.

BTW. It’s “the Dish” not Dash. Glad you saw “The Remains of the Day”.

kn_dalai — September 26, 2012 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal @ 2:44- **Sheldon Adelson Sets New US Political Donation Record: Report**

And he's given **70 million dollars!** Talk about trying to buy an election!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/sheldon-adelson-donations_n_1910094.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And some on the right still fail to acknowledge race is an issue.

**Mecklenburg County, Virginia Republican Party Refuses To Take Down Anti-Obama Photos**

The Mecklenburg County Republican Party in Southern Virginia is defying the state GOP and refusing to remove a series of anti-Obama pictures from its Facebook page in the wake of public pressure.

Pat Mullins, chairman of the Virginia GOP, told the Washington Post that the series of Photoshopped images, which carry birther messages and depict Obama as a neanderthal and witch doctor, "have no place in political discourse."

“They are offensive, tasteless and should never have been posted anywhere, let alone a local unit’s Facebook page. The Republican Party of Virginia condemns this sort of imagery in the strongest possible terms," Mullins said in an interview with the Post. "I am in the process of contacting our Mecklenburg County unit to inform them that this is unacceptable behavior from any local unit associated with our party.”

But R. Wallace “Wally” Hudson, chairman of the Mecklenburg Republicans, told the Post that the photos were there to stay.

“If that group is that sensitive, I’m sorry, they’re just not human,” he said, according to the Post. “It’s not American. If they’ve got a problem with it, we’re not going to change what we do.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/mecklenburg-county-virginia-gop_n_1917278.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 4:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SclDiN...

Sweet Jesus! :))

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.

Only one word describes that video

***LAME!!!!***

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You guys reading about the protests in Spain and Greece about austerity measures? Without going into why the countries are where they are, can you blame the folks? I bet you the fatcats over there are still fat cats - while the rest of the population is suffering. No employment, no food, no safety net, no unemployment money left, pensions cut to the bone. Infants without food, seniors starving. Social programs cut, cut, cut, no jobs. Must reduce debts, must reduce deficits, must must must.

Sooooo, let's do the same here, shall we (military excepted, we give them more than they asked for, because we might have to attack a few more countries if Mitt wins). Let's gut it all.

Sorry if I sound cranky, but it burns me that regular people are always the ones suffering. Over there as well as over here. All due to the complete and utter stupidity of the folks in power. Continue the way we have been doing business for say 50-60 years and no foresight, no brain, so that eventually, the house of cards must collapse. But that's why we have the dirty masses! Let's stick it to them! And then let's call them lazy, non-producing, on government handouts!

luvithere — September 26, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.,

OK, Nails - Do you like Mika just a tiny bit more, after the way she rubbed Joe's nose in that bit of doggie doo?

I was drinking coffee and watching the show this morning - spit it all over the place from laughing when they panned back to his reaction.

roger — September 26, 2012 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- The Romney/Ryan campaign wreaks of desperation. Even in Ryan's home state of Wisconsin Obama has a 6-14 point advantage.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-wisconsin-polls-paul-ryan-20120919,0,2339898.story

If Romney doesn't hit a home run in the first debate it might be the final nail in his coffin. The money trail will tell.

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luvit- I hear you. The Republicans are always accusing Obama of forging Euro policy, while advocating Euro style austerity on average Americans. We can borrow $$$ for next to nothing right now and invest in infrastructure, jobs programs, lowering student loans, investment to individual states, public services etc. All providing jobs and resources that by nature will not fly overseas, and will pay dividends for America's future.

And of course we could borrow $$$ for next to nothing in order to give the 1% tax breaks and hope it trickles down...................

As a side note, more jobs were created during eight years of the Clinton administration than 20 years of Reagan and the two Bushes combined! Of course the right has all kinds of explanations/excuses for this. :))

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- No on the Mika thing, although she does have her moments. A great moment on Morning Joe. What clarity it brought to the current state of the Romney campaign!

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye and Nails,

Savoy Brown was great - though A Step Further probably doesn't get included in a conversation of their best, there was a neat little tune called 'I'm Tired' on it - our wannabe rock band tried convincing the local armory/splash hop crowd it was a good dance tune. Not too successful, though we did get a couple of people interested in them.

roger — September 26, 2012 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wonder if they finally found Jimmy Hoffa? That guy has been buried in more places - under a driveway outside Detroit is going to be a letdown.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/jimmy-hoffa-remains-roseville-dig_n_1917396.html?icid=maing-grid7|maing6|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D211442

roger — September 26, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.

But Nails - She did it so artfully - sitting there all ladylike (sweet but firm) - while she's sticking the knife in and twisting - one can just imagine her saying "I've got you now, bud, and I'm going to make it hurt."

roger — September 26, 2012 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — September 26, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.

RE: Good Sean Connery movies - How about The Rock?

roger — September 26, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- The Hoffa thing has always fascinated me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWitsA...

The man himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTlAAE...

Perhaps my favorite actor of all time. At least I can't think of anyone I like better. Hoffa is a great flick and Jack is superb!

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Edgar Winter put an album out about 2-3 years ago that was pretty good - Rebel Road. I'd like to see him get back with that short-lived mid-70s lineup of him, Johnny, Rick Derringer and the bass player that was in most of their groups - Randy Hobbs.

roger — September 26, 2012 at 7:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger-Johnny makes it into my top five guitarists of all time. If you've never checked out his live album 'Johnny Winter And' treat yourself. A 17+ minute live rendition of 'It's my own fault' is amazing. To include Johnny B Goode, Jumping Jack Flash, Meantown Blues and about a 20 minute Rock n Roll medley! One of the best recordings ever from anybody.

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I saw Edgar mid seventy's sometime after he came out with the weird hit 'Frankenstein'. He put on a good show. I was hoping Johnny would join him on stage (as he often did) but no such luck.

All things considered, it's amazing I can even remember seeing him! :)

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 7:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail, just watched the joe video, that's hilarious. Not his reaction - Romney's spiel and the lack of response. Joe's reaction - well, it felt.....GOOD
and my captcha reads: points sismitt. hm.....

luvithere — September 26, 2012 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit- :))) Mitt looked like a cheerleader for a losing team!

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

Saw the '71 Johnny Winter And tour twice - in Detroit (with Humble Pie - another one of my favorites), and then a few months later back in the Philly Spectrum (with the Allman Brothers - Duane and Johnny had a "friendly" (?) little contest that the crowd loved.

Saw him again in summer '73, Hampton Roads VA (my brother lived in VA Beach at the time). His Still Alive and Well tour. Not bad, but he was somewhat upstaged by the intro band - Foghat. They'd just released the Rock and Roll album, and I think most people had no idea who they were - my brother told me Lonesome Dave and someone else from Savoy Brown were in the band, so I was hoping for something good - they were great. Definitely worth the drive down from PA.

roger — September 26, 2012 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Some really great concerts! I didn't see either. I love Humble Pie myself. Remember that guitarist they had? Mr. Peter Frampton is still rockin' I believe. I understand Johnny's health isn't very good, and when he does tour nowadays, it's limited and he sits through the sets. Man. When you think of all the Heroin that flowed/flows? through some of these guys veins, Winter, Jagger, Richards, Reed and others, it's amazing they're with us.

Jagger still has incredible energy when performing, I wonder if he's slammin' adrenaline! :)

nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 26, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.

Nope.

I didn't like "The Rock"

I think Connery is an A hole. For more reasons than one.

Don't like the man at all.

But he was a great Bond.

I would never do anything to diminish that.

kn_dalai — September 26, 2012 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I still think Connery was the best Bond. Then Pierce Brosnan. Connery's best movie (to me) was The Untouchables. He was so good in that. And yes, kn_ he probably is.

luv, thanks for the post earlier, you really are a classy lady.

hawkeye — September 26, 2012 at 10:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks Hawk :)

Ok, now ideally need to ask. Why is Connery considered a not nice person?

luvithere — September 27, 2012 at 5:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 26, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.

That would be me, Dee. Remember my extreme views on abortion and government mandating free contraception?

danabwoodley — September 27, 2012 at 6:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 26, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.

So is this one group of people representative of every person out there that is critical of the President?

That is part of the problem in todays political picture. We aren't willing ignore the dissidents that subscribe to the outdated ideas. Even when the majority aren't of the same mindset.

danabwoodley — September 27, 2012 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*We aren't willing ignore the dissidents that subscribe to the outdated ideas.*

"...wake of public pressure."

"The Republican Party of Virginia condemns this sort of imagery in the strongest possible terms,"

So the "majority" of reasonable people are speaking out against racism and you are criticizing them or doing so? Society should bury our head in the sand, not police our own and hope everything will be fine? You are faulting those who bring injustices to light so we as a society can deal with them and resolve problematic situations?

Or are you faulting these racist few who refuse to listen to mounting opposition against their racism? That would make sense.

Please tell me. Within your structured world of the military, when offenses occur that are outrageous and perpetuate hate within the ranks, what do your CO's suggest as problem resolution, (at least on the books and verbally) Ignore them and they will go away?

*the dissidents that subscribe to the outdated ideas*

Outdated ideas would include buying the latest dial phone or cassette player.

*the dissidents that subscribe to the outdated ideas.*

Indeed!! You don't know how right you are.

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 7:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It really should come as no surprise to anyone on here that I am conservative. After reading about the Obama administrations para military action against medical marijuana providers the other day, I have to ask of other posters.

Do you support states rights in this issue or should the federal government have this authority.

frobert — September 27, 2012 at 7:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"As a side note, more jobs were created during eight years of the Clinton administration than 20 years of Reagan and the two Bushes combined!"

True...very true. In fact, he's also credited with signing the Brady Bill, expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit for low income families along with a few others which he should be commended. Hey...wasn't it his sidekick that got the change going towards energy efficiency for everyone with the "global warming" controversy??? Although it was for the wrong reasons, I'm sure a plethora of those jobs generated went to companies like Solyndra and we all know where that went! Hey...wasn't it Solyndra who received stimulus funds as well??? Hmmm....

Oh yeah...wasn't it also Clinton who signed into law the "DADT" Bill??? Rather than focusing on protecting our nation, they were more influenced with gender discrimination than the patriotism of a nation and the idea was to keep those in the gay community hidden in their closets. That was a winner now, wasn't it!!!

He also put into law, the North American Free Trade Agreement...working hand in hand with GHWB on this one which obviously started the ball rolling for incentives for jobs to outsource and the end result appeared during the GWBush Administration...so of course, folks LOVE to blame the Republican Administration for the sudden drop in jobs.

Oh...if people could only realize that it isn't just one side screwing up our situation and that it is a conglomerate of issues!!! Neither side is a better choice for president. Either way, things will be just as screwed up and we'll all be right back here on the forum arguing over who's a better choice and who did what to screw the taxpayers over.

As Luvithere pointed out in her comment, the US is doing the exact same mistakes as Greece and Spain. In my opinion...it doesn't matter WHO is the president. This is a global issue and any mistakes made along the way will only compound the issue. I'd pointed out some executive orders which nobody responded....three of which include improvements to education for certain ethnic groups. What a waste of time and taxpayer dollars here... Instead of implementing approval on tax allotments for these programs, why didn't he just make ONE Executive Order which would cover ALL people???

Seriously, if those that are elected would have refrained from making brownie points with their target groups and focus on what needs to be done...there wouldn't be a division of society and there certainly wouldn't be financial issues like we're seeing today.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sean Connery???

As James Bond, he fit the profile of a womanizer well. I thought his acting was minimal...almost nonexistent although I still would watch 007 movies. Pierce Brosnan???...no comment.

In "The Rock...not a bad movie, rather bland acting.

In First Knight...my opinion that this was his best movie. Guess that was the Richard Gere influence that sparked Connery's true acting abilities...8))

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — September 27, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.

Uh oh....looks like her comment you referenced was removed. Must be she said something which ticked some people off.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Great new ad! Funny but oh so true!

Yahoo! Exclusive: See Samuel L. Jackson in new pro-Obama ad ‘Wake the F*** Up’

http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/yahoo-exclusive-see-samuel-l-jackson-pro-obama-120110618.html

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 27, 2012 at 7:23 a.m

My first inclination was to say "States Right," but then I took into consideration that not every state will have the same rule as another, giving those who utilize MM a disadvantage should they need to travel through one of those states...increasing the potential for criminal charges and a life ruined, should they be caught in possession.

It's a difficult call, frobert.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 7:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice Sam L. Jackson movie...all actors, even a sweet little child utilizing such profanity...and the message??? Definitely written to sway the voters into thinking the only answer is Obama.

Let's talk about Obama for a second. You remember the stimulus package he approved??? You know...the one also known as American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009???

Yeah...that was good...good for the nation!!! After all, look at all the jobs here in the USA which he has generated. And the economy....boy did that work, huh!!!

Of course, he takes all the credit being the president when OBL was captured and killed. After all, it's his administration, right??? Never mind who did the REAL work to capture the guy. Instead, one of the Navy Seals is in trouble for saying too much in his book. Too bad he tried to profit from it...before any politician could.

Okay, okay...I'm not being fair. The most notable promise our current president made was for "Hope and Change." Well, in his uncanny ability to convince the voters for what we thought would be to elevate our hope for a positive change....just look around at what the result was. Of course, we've got to change the verbiage on his plan. Isn't the word this year..."Forward" ??? Forward to what???

He's promising new "5 million new clean energy jobs over the next ten years." Didn't he do that before??? And what became of it??? Anybody know the actual statistics of people training to build wind turbines who are still working in that field??? And how many of those jobs will in turn be outsourced???

Talk about misleading the people!!!

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Yahoo! Exclusive: See Samuel L. Jackson in new pro-Obama ad ‘Wake the..."

I can see that backfiring, unfortunately. The language isn't appropriate for the young people depicted. That last scene is *really* going to ruffle some feathers.

Yeah, I know how many times I wrote the "F" word in _Carrier._ It also isn't meant to be read by children and/or adolescents. (shrug)

Drift — September 27, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


my bad...that's Sam L. Jackson political advertisement, not movie.

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I couldn't agree more, Drift. It will backfire but not just for the poor language. It will backfire for the generalized statements filled with "untruths" and misleading the voters in order to gain votes...something which is being done on all playing fields, too. Amazing what a popular actor can do for a politician, huh!

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And for all the forum equestrian's who require step ladders, here's Obama's ad about the 47% remark. Not only does it not contain any swearing, but for those offended even with implied swearing, this shouldn't get you in a twist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojpl-J...

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9xCCa...

In his own words!

**Disclaimer alert**: Millions of children involved. Many will find the following words offensive. I know I did. But at least there are no implied swear/naughty/cussing/bad/no no/improper, will maybe improper, words stated.

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What is getting lost amid the election year din: Our soldier are taking their own lives at the tragic rate of one per day, which exceeds combat deaths:

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/27/161853675/army-seeks-to-curb-rising-tide-of-suicides

manthou — September 27, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou...in the video, I was led to the assumption that this is the suicide rate of active soldiers. What is truly bothering if this is the case ...then what about those who are no longer on active duty? I'm afraid the numbers will be much higher.

We have to ask ourselves why the number of suicides have jumped since 2004 as well. I'm curious if there's ever been any study which showed even a hint of reasoning.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


correction..."after viewing the video, I assumed that this...." not "in the video..."

sorry about that

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal



frobert — September 27, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.

But did you REALLY read the article? The reason the feds went after these dispensaries is because they were ripping off the people that were supposed to be getting their pot for whatever reasonable price it was to be sold for. These were supposed to be NON-PROFIT operations and they were making millions off these victims. If you think the grower/sellers were right in charging way too much, then I can see where you would be upset over what the feds did however, if you support the buyers then what the feds did was the right thing. Had the buyers not been ripped off, I don't think the feds would have stepped in.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 11:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm watching Wettin'Yahoo give his U.N. speech. This guy is like a child! He said there's no difference between Iran having nuclear capability than that of Al Qaeda! I'm sure the 75 million people of Iran will appreciate such a comment!!

Then dude actually brings a cartoonish drawing of a bomb with a lit fuse and starts marking red a red line! My God this guy is a joke!

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 11:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere 5:08 am --- Check out the 1987 interview with Barbara Walters. There's a YouTube clip available.

langenthal — September 27, 2012 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.

The D.O.J. did claim that ever single provider in down town L.A. was out of compliance, I don't think anybody buys that line. This was a massive show of force including fully automatic weapons, armoured vehicles and military fatigues with face coverings. This was no more than a military show of force against the residents of a state, for exerting their states rights. The Obama administration, who campaigned in part on the promise to scale back the Bush drug policies, in one day took action against more providers than Bush did in his 8 years.

frobert — September 27, 2012 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 27, 2012 at 11:26 a.m

Still hanging in there with that right wing (Bush) line, huh? So what? It also said there were a large number of "providers" that WERE in compliance and they didn't bother them, did they?

I guess that only goes to show, follow the rules and be left along.

BTW, in California there are 7982 dispensaries.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EsxNY...

Maybe Romney can get the Osmonds to do a remix & make it his theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=551_hC...

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.

Right wing line? I complained when Bush shut down 40, Obama has shut down hundreds and seized 400 million in assets last year in California alone.

Since 1985 drug agents have raided the wrong house 191 times, resulting in 47 deaths of innocent people. Drug raids have also resulted in 26 non violent offenders being killed and 31 officers. I guess that just goes to show, following the rules doesn't mean you will be left alone.

Do you have a source for your 7982 figure, because the only figure I could find from the State was "nearly 1000" and that was before the D.O.J. started shutting them down.

frobert — September 27, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You want my source? I want yours.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


CATO institute.

frobert — September 27, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Wettin'Yahoo"""

I sense a little prejudice in your tone. Doesn't do for credibility of anything you say.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Doesn't do well for credibility of anything you post, either.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Cartoonish drawing"""

Much like Cartoonish links???

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal



wiki.answers as a source is the same as having no source at all.

frobert — September 27, 2012 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.npr.org/2012/07/23/157248903/large-calif-pot-dispensary-threatened-with-closure

Is this part of the process for laying the foundation of the new Obama Health Care Bill??? Cut out the little people who have come to depend on MC for relief of their ailments or is it because Harborside made too much profit...in a nonprofit entity???

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On another note...I was watching the local news this afternoon and had a good laugh when I heard the report of a marijuana grow which was seized. The plants, cut from their roots, were stacked and ready to be hauled to the police department so the plants could be dried and weighed in order to determine how much "pot" was confiscated.

Yeah....right!!! (bustin' up) Nothing was mentioned about incinerating the end product...just that it would be dried and weighed.

Sometimes you've got to find humor in the reporting. This one scored high on the list of "say whaaaaaaaat's???"

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW, these places were "medical marijuana" grows and dispensaries. (courtesy KGW)

http://www.kgw.com/news/Tigard-pot-171581181.html

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Wettin'Yahoo"""

I sense a little prejudice in your tone. Doesn't do for credibility of anything you say.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:05 p.m

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

I'm watching Wettin'Yahoo give his U.N. speech.

bigotry, prejudice, hate, racist....

crazytrain — September 27, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.

You can run son, but you can't hide from the truth.
Take a deep breathe, let it out, now just say it.
This golden person is your male lover isn't he?

crazytrain-February 10, 2011 at 7:27 p.m.

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 2:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This should get him a few more votes. :))

**ADVISERS URGE ROMNEY: BRING BACK TORTURE**

In one of his first acts, President Obama issued an executive order restricting interrogators to a list of nonabusive tactics approved in the Army Field Manual. Even as he embraced a hawkish approach to other counterterrorism issues — like drone strikes, military commissions, indefinite detention and the Patriot Act — Mr. Obama has stuck to that strict no-torture policy.

By contrast, Mr. Romney’s advisers have privately urged him to “rescind and replace President Obama’s executive order” and permit secret “enhanced interrogation techniques against high-value detainees that are safe, legal and effective in generating intelligence to save American lives,” according to an internal Romney campaign memorandum.

While the memo is a policy proposal drafted by Mr. Romney’s advisers in September 2011 — not a final decision by him — its detailed analysis dovetails with his rare and limited public comments about interrogation.

“We’ll use enhanced interrogation techniques which go beyond those that are in the military handbook right now,” he said at a news conference in Charleston, S.C., in December.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us/politics/election-will-decide-future-of-interrogation-methods-for-terrorism-suspects.html

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Still displaying that Dora video, eh nails??? A depiction of how you see yourself, perhaps???

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 27, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.

According to you and mrs. know-it-all, I know nothing so I guess you better get your info from the queen.

I'm out!

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Denver debate do-or-die for Mitt Romney**

The fear among donors and strategists: a break-even or so-so performance would subject Romney to a self-reinforcing cycle of criticism and pessimism in his own party that will send other Republicans fleeing and make it difficult for Romney to project a closing argument against Obama over the drumbeat of why-are-you-losing questions.

So the Mile-High face-off has gone from merely important to critical for a challenger in need of a break.
“It went from being important to being life-sustaining,” said GOP pollster Steve Lombardo, who worked for Romney in 2008. “Both from a fundraising perspective, to keep the money coming, and just a political perspective it’s huge. Romney can’t just do well and hold his own — he has to win and win decisively. If he’s at parity with the president, I don’t think that’s enough.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81729.html#ixzz27iKXqHFx

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk...if that negative reference was in regards to me sharing a link @1:43 pm? Queen status, huh! ooooOOOkay. Whatever toots your whistle!

Did I contradict your statement, Hawkeye? No I did not. I believe I was showing everyone that the feds are cracking down on California marijuana dispensaries. I didn't doubt your number you shared regarding the number of dispensaries in California. In fact, the number Fro shared was closer to that of maybe two of the cities in California with larger concentrations of dispensaries. I merely pointed out that the Feds are trying to shut all of them down in California which clearly reflects Fro's question of who should have the ultimate control on medical marijuana. At latest count...it's around 500 I believe.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger- HAHAHAHAHA lmao...I just put except you on getting laid because I figured you were the only one who is not insane on the forum (other than me but I am a demented College Grad and have made a success for myself on my own so I guess I am nuts.);P

Thank you for the link to the article about the Homeless from Oregon Live a few days ago- a lot of the issues is in people handing out money. A lot of it is the thought that counts but so many people do not realise they are only feeding the habit.

mxfun118 — September 27, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 27, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.....agreed about wiki! I always get a kick out of going on there and changing the answers or wording just to mess with people.

Crazytrain...Whoa! Funny Howard Stern Vid!

mxfun118 — September 27, 2012 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, from everything I have read, and I've read quite a few articles on this, even the California government has no idea how many there are because for every "legal" store, there is at least one "illegal" one. And the estimate is that there are at least 1000 in L.A. alone. Now California being as big as it is, I would think that 8k wasn't that far off.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sweet Jesus!

**Obama Surges Ahead Among Catholic Voters, Poll**

President Obama's support among Catholic voters has surged since June, according to a new poll, despite a summer that included the Catholic bishops' religious freedom campaign and the naming of Rep. Paul Ryan, a Catholic, as the GOP's vice-presidential candidate.

On June 17, Obama held a slight edge over Mitt Romney among Catholics (49-47 percent), according to the Pew Research Center. Since then, Obama has surged ahead, and now leads 54-39 percent, according to a Pew poll conducted on Sept. 16.

Among all registered voters, Obama leads Romney 51-42 percent, according to Pew.

Obama and Romney are essentially tied among white Catholics, which some pollsters call the ultimate swing group.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/obama-surges-catholic-voters_n_1918120.html

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Nailingit....since you're such a fan(atic) about polls, here's one I've set up just for you and anybody else who wants to take the risk to answer (all in fun).

Are you game???

Here's the question:

If you were one of only two people stranded on an empty but livable planet with no means of escape and only one other could remain with you on the planet, who would you prefer to be stranded with?

A) Pope Benedict

B) Sarah Palin

C) Glenn Beck

D) Jon Stewart

E) Mitt Romney

F) Barack Obama

G) Hillary Clinton

H) Homer Simpson

I) Dora's Grumpy Old Troll

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW...my choice would be Jon Stewart.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Move over, Gold, he's MINE!

luvithere — September 27, 2012 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Howard Stearns video was hilarious. I think he edited out all the sane ones and just kept the funny ones. I don't think he did it to show how dumb the Demos are but show how dumb some people are. That's not hard to do. You can find those kind of people in Portland, Bend and all the other towns in the U.S.A. or world. We have had some reporters locally who found those kind of people. Those kind of people are not found in just among the Demos, Repubs or any other group of people.

rincon1 — September 27, 2012 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'd take John Stewart, then Obama, then Sarah + a roll of duct tape.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOS ANGELES (AP) — The California man behind a crudely produced anti-Islamic video posted to YouTube that has inflamed parts of the Middle East was arrested for violating terms of his probation, authorities said Thursday.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was convicted in 2010 for federal check and sentenced to 21 months in prison. Under terms of his probation, he was not allowed to use computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.

Nakoula was arrested after federal probation officials determined he violated the terms of his supervised release, said Thomas Mrozek U.S. Attorney's spokesman in Los Angeles.

A U.S. District Court hearing was scheduled for Nakoula on Thursday afternoon. It was closed to media and the public.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 6:11 p.m.

Can't bend the rules but so far...Jon Stewart is in the lead according to this poll.

Maybe we should elect Jon Stewart!!!

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luvithere — September 27, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.

OH...*don't even go there*, girlfriend...*Uh Uh!!!* (I can't believe I just posted that, lol).

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1 @5:53pm

What is truly an American Tragedy is if these people actually vote this election. My question is....do they think clicking *"Like"* on Facebook earns their vote in this election???

What scares me the most is that I've seen several people in public in recent days like the ones on the Stearn piece. They have NO clue whatsoever about what is happening in the world...for that matter, in their own neighborhood. Just guzzlin' down their Querky Cola and thriving off of Mickey D's and Taco Smell!!! It's "more better" that way.

And some of them are driving the roads, too!

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou and goldie,

A Stars and Stripes page with several links to other articles - mostly asking the same question - why all the suicides?

There appears to be no single answer. A year or so back, the thought was that it must be related to PTSD from combat. But enough of the suicides weren't in combat. There are some common threads - finances and broken relationships - but these are also prevalent in the civilian world, so there has to be more to it.

And at least one of the articles covers vets - wondering why they don't take advantage of the services available to them.

And a lot of effort is being put into that second part of the equation - maybe we don't know why the feelings, but we can put out the message - over and over - that there's no shame in seeking help and working through it. And, as part of this, recognizing behavior patterns in others that could suggest a problem exists.

roger — September 27, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, Fox!!! Glad you could join in! That edyu..etjew..edjuma...that schooleded crazy is thinkin' too hard...but brought up some good points about that Idaho-born Alaskan! Leave it to crazytrain!!!

Stewart - 4

Palin - 1

all others...zilch

The lead continues!!!

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sarah for me, too. If there's something out there that's edible, she'll track it down, club it to death, and whip up a tasty meal.

roger — September 27, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 27, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.

Roger...what these guys have witnessed and what they've gone through...any civilian such as myself can only imagine the horrific stories they'd have to share. They're fighting a war within themselves. I'm not going to even touch what else it could be, but I have an inkling it might actually be something involving our own government which has turned some away from seeking help with the VA or facilities for those who are still active. I think there's a lot more to the story that we're not being told.

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And the poll results continue to grow...8)

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nails,

The genius behind Humble Pie was Steve Marriott - one of the greatest singers and performers of the era. According to Ron Wood, when Mick Taylor quit the Stones Marriott auditioned for the job. Keith Richards wanted him, but Mick said No way - Marriott had upstaged him and he wasn't having that.

He's another that drug abuse ruined - his downfall was cocaine and alcohol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEcslY...

roger — September 27, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I would have to go with Sarah, she can hunt, fish and perpetuate the species. Could we get a mute button?

frobert — September 27, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, she might hunt and fish -but do you REALLY want a little Sarah? Plus the folksy yakking would drive you crazy in two days.

luvithere — September 27, 2012 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*A*

DeeLittle — September 27, 2012 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Talk about your lack of intelligence...***

For whatever reason, Rush Limbaugh decided to discuss a study about male genitalia on his Friday radio show.

According to Rush, the study, completed by researchers in Italy, found that the size of male genitalia has decreased over the past fifty years.

"The study's leaders claim to have bona fide research that says the average size of a penis is roughly 10 percent smaller than it was 50 years ago. And the researchers say air pollution is why," Limbaugh said.

Limbaugh said that he did not believe that air pollution and global warming could have such an impact. "I don't buy this. I think it's feminism. I think if it's tied to the last 50 years, the average size of a member is 10 percent smaller ... it has to be the feminazis," Limbaugh said.

fro, that's why I wanted the duct tape.

hawkeye — September 27, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.

Goldie, if anything you've got it backwards - our gov't, and the upper levels of the military, WANT them to seek help. But they've got a long fight ahead - the military culture is one predicated on personal strength; mental and physical. The Warrior Ethos is the current name for it - weakness can't and won't be tolerated - it leads to death on the battlefield. This is something that we learned from Day 1, and as we worked up the ranks we passed the message on to the new kids. As a result, the person who needs the help stops himself from seeking it - it would be to admit weakness and violate that which he holds most dear. (I say he - I know female soldiers every bit as hardcore as the men in this respect - and they've got the pretty ribbons with citations to prove it.)

I can't speak for the other services, but the Army has been fighting this for several years now. (I sit through more mandatory training on the subject as a DA Civilian than I ever did when in uniform!!)

roger — September 27, 2012 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'd go for the troll...I mean think about it, he lives under a bridge he can be quite creative. I don't need a person who hunts and builds etc I can do it myself.

Hawky- That's called a man who has shrunk and is in denial about being old....just sayin. That guy is definitely a deck of a different cards

mxfun118 — September 27, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Langenthal - I watched Connery as suggested. Sigh, I got to agree with you guys. There goes my favorite Indy Jones movie...I get him on the island, I will indulge in prolonged Bond slapping before I dunk his inflated head under water.

luvithere — September 27, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit and Manthou

Pew: Half of Americans get news digitally, topping newspapers, radio

More Americans get news online than from radios or newspapers, Pew’s biennial study of news consumption habits says. Twenty-three percent of people living in the United States said they’d read a print newspaper the day before. That’s half the number who did so in 2000, when nearly 50 percent read a paper the day before. Twenty-nine percent reported reading a newspaper in any format.

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/189819/pew-tv-viewing-habit-grays-as-digital-news-consumption-tops-print-radio/

langenthal — September 27, 2012 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And this sock puppet begat that sock puppet who in turn begat this sock puppet.....

Sybil is certainly giving the...goldfinger to the basement! **;**[]

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Helllo everyone, you can call me Colbert (my nickname)

nail is crapping out consignment for Godly wrath

--

I spoke with Jon about this desert isle,

He told me a death certificate he would file.

Jon said living with a certain poster he would be desirous to not grow old,

tis' was banishment to the isle with the one you call gold.

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


They've kept George hidden through the conference and beyond. But not good enough!

In the "You can't make this stuff up category"!

Great timing & beautiful optics! You go Dubya!

**George W. Bush To Keynote Cayman Islands Investment Conference**

*Not entirely the party's message of the week.*

Former President George W. Bush is set to deliver the keynote address at the Cayman Alternative Investment Summit on Grand Cayman just a few days before the election.
The conference will feature Bush as the keynote speaker on the first night, and British billionaire Sir Richard Branson on the second night.

"Institutional investors, private investors, asset allocators, fund managers, service providers, academics and regulators will benefit from this discussion on the future of the industry," reads to the FAQ section of the website.

The timing of the conference could land awkwardly during an election season that's been marked by speculation about Mitt Romney's finances, particularly his offshore investments in tax havens like the Cayman Islands.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/george-w-bush-to-keynote-cayman-islands-investmen

nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 27, 2012 at 9:37 a.m

I grieve at the thought of anyone taking their own life. However, I must share something for everyone to think about in regard to suicide. WARNING: I will be stating opinions that some will not agree with. These opinions may even well up some strong feelings that will be directed against me. Just want to make sure you are all aware before continuing.

While there are reasons behind the up tick in the suicides, what those reasons are is not for me to say. I am in no way an expert in psychology. I recently read an article telling the stories of two Soldiers that killed themselves. The part that makes these two so unusual is the fact that both had not deployed at all. So to attribute all of these suicides to combat operations is not going to do anything to fix the problem.

Personnally, I find suicide to be two things. It is the ultimate expression of selfishness. You have determined that whatever problems you have are so bad that you just want them to go away, and the only way to do that is to die. You do not think of the consequences that those you leave behind must deal with. You are really thinking only of yourself.

Also, suicide is the ultimate act of cowardice. You are so afraid of the challenges you face in life that you are going to run from them. You end your life so you do not have to deal with living.

There are many other catch phrases that have been developed to try to convince someone not to kill themselves. I believe that if you address these two points, you might have better luck at getting through to a person.

danabwoodley — September 28, 2012 at 1:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


bigotry, prejudice, hate, racist....

crazytrain — September 27, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.

Remember, crazy, these only apply when the words are from a conservative. If a liberal says these things, then it's free speech.

danabwoodley — September 28, 2012 at 1:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.

Just for the record, as far as the poll is concerned, I vote for:

None of the above.

If I can have only one person with me, let that one be my wife. If not, I will be alone.

danabwoodley — September 28, 2012 at 1:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.

That is just more demographic nonsense. I don't care about the opinion of just one particular group.

Again, we are just perpetuating the divisions.

danabwoodley — September 28, 2012 at 3:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Danabwoodley...

Your comment @1:19 am to Manthou...how could anybody be angry with you on your thoughts and opinion??? As far as I'm concerned...it's an eye opener for everyone to think about when it comes to the issues of suicide, not just for those in military but for everyone. You're absolutely right that it is a selfish act...a selfish act the person most likely isn't aware of when at their lowest moment in life. Sadly though...they feel they have nowhere to turn...that nobody understands what they're going through.

Your answer to the poll...wins the "Goldie" medal of honor in my book.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — September 28, 2012 at 1:19 a.m.

I believe there's a certain Star man who made a similar observation a few weeks back - got spanked by the big boys and is now trying to backpedal from the statement.

Yours is a strictly rational point of view. Unfortunately, that doesn't always play when dealing with humans and how/why they think. Platoon Sergeant Hero says what you say to his troops. Specialist Snuffy, who just learned his wife is back home screwing anyone who buys her a drink at the club, hears "Shut the F-- up and drive on, soldier - I don't want to hear about your problems."

roger — September 28, 2012 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 27, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.

Thanks for setting the record straight, Roger. In this issue, I shared my thoughts for others to share theirs...something we all need to do more often in order to work for a solution...if there's truly a solution to the problem. All the more reason why discussion is vital for understanding the issue.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


To follow, I almost made that exact mistake many years ago. Fortunately, I had a good squad leader who wasn't afraid to come see me and set me straight on what was going on. We got the soldier into the proper channels. That squad leader is now a CSM.

roger — September 28, 2012 at 6:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 27, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.

Clever!!! You generated a Cheshire grin to my face as I'm sitting here at the computer, giggling at your poetry! Thanks for the smile generated, Nails. Still no answer to the poll? It's all in jest, my fellow forum dweller...all in jest.

Your post @8:15...What makes you arrive at such a conclusion??? I'd recommend you get outside and enjoy some fresh air to get rid of those cobwebs forming in your cranial region but lately...it's been too smoky in the area. Maybe a shop vac would work for you instead.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 28, 2012 at 6:45 a.m.

Thank heavens for your squad leader!!!

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Uh Oh....!!!! This isn't going to make some people here on the forum very happy when they read this article from CNN about who is suspected of causing the world crisis...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-flaws-democratic-system-cause-102123835.html

I'd like to read what others think about the conclusions drawn on this article. In my opinion...it's pretty accurate. Please tell me why I'm incorrect on my assumption.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 7:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well Goldie, this plays into what I said the other day. It's the few in power that ensure that things go wrong, often by not doing anything, keeping status quo, or just being too stupid to see it. This in turn allows certain fat cats, such as bankers, to go ahead, satisfy their natural greed, and voila! Here's the mess. A fundamental shift in thinking is needed. Or we will perpetuate this into eternity.

Thanks Roger, for your well-reasoned discussion about suicide. Causes are too complex and personal to allow us to point toward one cause.

luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Europe’s Austerity Madness**

Beyond that, a significant part of public opinion in Europe’s core — above all, in Germany — is deeply committed to a false view of the situation. Talk to German officials and they will portray the euro crisis as a morality play, a tale of countries that lived high and now face the inevitable reckoning. Never mind the fact that this isn’t at all what happened — and the equally inconvenient fact that German banks played a large role in inflating Spain’s housing bubble. Sin and its consequences is their story, and they’re sticking to it.

Worse yet, this is also what many German voters believe, largely because it’s what politicians have told them. And fear of a backlash from voters who believe, wrongly, that they’re being put on the hook for the consequences of southern European irresponsibility leaves German politicians unwilling to approve essential emergency lending to Spain and other troubled nations unless the borrowers are punished first.

Of course, that’s not the way these demands are portrayed. But that’s what it really comes down to. And it’s long past time to put an end to this cruel nonsense.

If Germany really wants to save the euro, it should let the European Central Bank do what’s necessary to rescue the debtor nations — and it should do so without demanding more pointless pain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/opinion/krugman-europes-austerity-madness.html?partner=rss&emc;=rss&_r=0

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


fresh air to get rid of those cobwebs forming in your cranial region but lately...it's been too smoky in the area. Maybe a shop vac would work for you instead.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:52 a.m.

Unscrew you head nail and let some fresh air in for a change, you might see both parties for what is really going on.

crazytrain — September 26, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

Still displaying that Dora video, eh nails??? A depiction of how you see yourself, perhaps???

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.

Revealing song about yourself there

crazytrain — September 25, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


from the conclusion of your link, GO-

"The fact that the Neo-Nazi party is on the rise on Greece does indicate that the connection between the rise of radical elements and depression remains a phenomenon, even in 2012," Dalio said. "In other, richer countries this doesn't seem to be a trend at all, but it's one reason to recognize that dealing with short-term economic crises (like unemployment) is also a good long-term move."

if you generalize "rise of radical elements" to include Tea Partiers or any populist movement, actually any political element other than the typical Dem/Rep or Labor/Conservative, I think you'd see a trend. That trend would be many are dissatisfied with the system as a whole, and that trend will continue and grow in relation to the amount of austerity forced on the masses. We haven't reached the point where totsl rejection of the system is occurring, but we will soon. The politicians are unwilling or unable to undo decades of maintaining a dysfunctional system by pushing the problems down the road, and we're fast approaching the end of that road. Rhetoric such as "this is America, we've faced tremendous challenges before and blah, blah" will soon wear thin.

mrd — September 28, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*WARNING: I will be stating opinions that some will not agree with. These opinions may even well up some strong feelings that will be directed against me. Just want to make sure you are all aware before continuing.*

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Wettin'Yahoo"""

I sense a little prejudice in your tone. Doesn't do for credibility of anything you say.

goldenoldie — September 27, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

I'm watching Wettin'Yahoo give his U.N. speech.

bigotry, prejudice, hate, racist....

crazytrain — September 27, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Try not to repeat yourself so much. Your "wildfire" writes are getting hosed. ^snort^ eh?

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I wish these guys cared half as much for America as they do playing partisan games. The GOP is done. Finito.

**Newt Gingrich: If Obama Wins Reelection, GOP Will Immediately Meet To Plot 2016 Comeback [VIDEO]**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/newt-gingrich-obama-2016_n_1922690.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 28, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.

mrd, I appreciate you getting back to me with a response. I was curious...in the manner speaking of the situation here in the US, I believe more people are fed up with things than ever before. Do you see an increase in civil unrest for our nation??? The "Tea Party" crowd was noted by the news...something I recognize as the start of the new trend...then it was the "Occupiers" and now, anarchists are being represented in the protests. Is it coming to a peak or is more to come?

When you speak of the Neo Nazi uprising, are you speaking of the "Golden Dawn" as they are called? If so, they aren't a political group but rather, are considered a violent gang...even though they are fighting against Greece and the EU due to the open borders policy. They're quite angry with immigrants taking the jobs and benefits from those born and raised IN Greece. Sound a bit familiar here?

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, at first I thought you were a member of the Columbian staff but it's obvious you are not...as the member of the Columbian staff would quickly establish the fact that I am not associated with crazytrain or Fox, although our posts are similar. Can I help it that someone else thinks as I do and vice versa?

You might refrain from flattering yourself with an assumption that makes you appear even more like a fool amongst colleagues than you did in the first place.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.

That fundamental shift for which you stated can also take us into a direction which nobody ever imagined would come true and things could be even worse than they are today. There's no miracle fix for what has metastasized for far too long in my opinion. You figure it took so many years to get the global economy to where it is today....it'll take just as many years if not more to balance it out.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 9:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*"""If Germany really wants to save the euro, it should let the European Central Bank do what’s necessary to rescue the debtor nations — and it should do so without demanding more pointless pain."""*

Why rescue these nations? Why not drop them like a hot potato, count their losses and let them start all over again??? Get the fat cats ousted and start with a new slate. The people in those nations have gotten by with nothing for centuries, so why not let them handle it themselves. When is the crutch everyone thinks struggling nations must lean onto...going to be kicked out and the people regain their independence from the dictatorship of the European Union??? This shift towards a New World Order with one leadership controlling the finances of the global masses isn't working. It's failing. They know it and all it's causing is a global uproar.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You might refrain from flattering yourself with an assumption that makes you appear even more like a fool amongst colleagues than you did in the first place.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86siAU...

A colleague is someone with whom you work. (noun)
An example of a colleague is a tutor who works at a center with other tutors.

See colleague in Webster's New World College Dictionary

noun

a fellow worker in the same profession; associate
Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio. Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

See colleague in American Heritage Dictionary 4

(kŏlˈēgˌ)

noun
A fellow member of a profession, staff, or academic faculty; an associate.

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Again...sidestepping the discussion with your useless links which clearly slow response time for anybody who wants to post.

Check out the synonyms for Colleague under the same Webster link, nails. You just might find that in this case, Colleague IS correct. That is, unless you are standing on a little soapbox or pedestal, giving you the false sense that you are superior to everyone here.

Regarding GB's video...pure nonsense that you would find the needless task of connecting my comment with GB since I've been studying the concept for far longer than GB was ever on television.

Some day you'll realize how narrow minded and ignorant you truly are. Hopefully it won't be too late.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***Guess you DO have to buy your way to Heaven***

BERLIN (AP) — The road to heaven is paved with more than good intentions for Germany's 24 million Catholics. If they don't pay their religious taxes, they will be denied sacraments, including weddings, baptisms and funerals.

A decree issued last week by the country's bishops cast a spotlight on the longstanding practice in Germany and a handful of other European countries in which governments tax registered believers and then hand over the money to the religious institutions.

In Germany, the surcharge for Catholics, Protestants and Jews is a surcharge of up to nine percent on their income tax bills — or about (EURO)56 ($72) a month for a single person earning a pre-tax monthly salary of about (EURO)3,500 ($4,500).

http://www.mycenturylink.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CDA1IS2A00%40news.ap.org%3E&ps;=1018

hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqc...

Some day you'll realize how narrow minded and ignorant you truly are. Hopefully it won't be too late.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- Eye opening post! Another article includes the church will also refuse to anoint the sick if you're not paid up.

I wonder if they'll use some of the $$$ to compensate the countless victims of clergy pedophilia/sex crimes within the church.

"And Jesus wept".

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 10:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"When you speak of the Neo Nazi uprising, are you speaking of the "Golden Dawn" as they are called? If so, they aren't a political group but rather, are considered a violent gang...even though they are fighting against Greece and the EU due to the open borders policy."

Michaloliakos began the foundations of what would become Golden Dawn in 1980. It first received widespread attention in 1991, and in 1993 registered as a political party. It temporarily ceased political operations in 2005 and was absorbed by the Patriotic Alliance. The Alliance in turn ceased operations after Michaloliakos withdrew support. In March 2007, Golden Dawn held its sixth congress, where Party officials announced the resumption of political activism. At local elections on November 7, 2010 Golden Dawn got 5.3 percent of the vote in the municipality of Athens, winning a seat at the City Council. In some neighbourhoods with large immigrant communities it even reached 20 percent.


The party ran a campaign during the Greek national elections of 2012 based on concerns for unemployment, austerity and the economy, as well as virulent anti-immigration rhetoric, which gained a large increase in support from the Greek electorate.[18] It received seven percent of the popular vote, enough for the party to enter the Hellenic Parliament for the first time with 21 seats.[19] Following a second election in June, this was reduced slightly to 18 seats.

Not a political group? Hhmmmm......

mrd — September 28, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.

Consider them false prophets when they take the word of the Holy Bible out of context, dictating how their followers should pay to support their church. The bible wasn't written to force people to pay money. It is the followers who should be willing to pay whether it be in the manner of helping others or through donations. (my opinion)

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit or is it "Narrow-minded and Ignorant" now? --- I'm going to repeat this because I think it's important to understand the role of ALEC and how the corporations are involved in legislation. Many still don't understand the origins of voter suppression attempts in key states.

Bill Moyers presents "United States of ALEC".

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This week, Moyers & Company reports on the most influential corporate-funded political force most of America has never heard of — ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. A national consortium of state politicians and powerful corporations, ALEC presents itself as a “nonpartisan public-private partnership”. But behind that mantra lies a vast network of corporate lobbying and political action aimed to increase corporate profits at public expense without public knowledge.

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In state houses around the country, hundreds of pieces of boilerplate ALEC legislation are proposed or enacted that would, among other things, dilute collective bargaining rights, make it harder for some Americans to vote, and limit corporate liability for harm caused to consumers — each accomplished without the public ever knowing who’s behind it.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/preview-the-united-states-of-alec/

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/09/11769/moyers-company-alec-documentary-launches-weekend

langenthal — September 28, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk, the tax was originally established when the state confiscated lots of church properties to make up for the loss. As more and more Catholics have left the church over there (big exodus), it is experiencing a drain on those full coffers, so they are now trying to threaten the people with such refusals. "No pay, no service" so to speak.

I remember filling out the tax papers over there when I worked in late 70s. HR lady came up and asked me which church (catholic or protestant, we got pretty much just the two) my tax would go to as I left it blank "by error." Told her it was not an error and that I did not want to pay. Total shock on her part - this was so ingrained that I was a rebel ahead of my time. And it was a much lower % back then. Turns out I was the only one in the whole company who refused. Too bad.

luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.

Good for you. I luvit!

hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 12:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- *Nailingit or is it "Narrow-minded and Ignorant" now?*

I think it's Radically Conservative Agenda. :) What a trip. After reading your post I did a search on the Koch Bros as to offer up how much influence they have with ALEC, and the same lady, Lisa Graves, who does the Bill Moyers intro is speaking for a few minutes on Jennifer Granholm's show. The Koch Bros are up to their pervasive eyeballs in ALEC. Thanks for the links. Will have to check out some of the imbeds later.

http://current.com/shows/the-war-room/videos/koch-brothers-exposed-alec-the-nra-and-influence

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Banned Books Week - September 30 to October 6

Banned Books Week: Celebrating the 30th Anniversary of the Freedom to Read

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/banned/bannedbooksweek

Banned & Challenged Classics

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/banned/frequentlychallenged/challengedclassics

National Council Teachers of English [NCTE] Titles Challenged 2004-2011

http://www.ncte.org/library/NCTEFiles/Resources/TitlesChallenged2004-2011.pdf

**Strong****Strong**

langenthal — September 28, 2012 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh poor goldenshowers why so pissy? Haven't got the forum under your control yet?

soapbox4u — September 28, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — September 28, 2012 at 1:47 p.m

You noticed? I thought it was just me.

hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Couldn't find it in German

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZb8s...

hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 28, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

I stand corrected...with an explanation. Upon further review of the data I read...it was a reaction by a prominent Greek citizen who does not recognize the Golden Dawn. The information you provided explains it in a totally different point of view which to me sounds much more credible.

I can tell you this that the livability in Greece is deteriorating. Even firefighters who have earned their retirement haven't seen any of their pensions for over 14 months (including an in law of mine) because there's no money in the fund. They're promised it...and that's about it. At best, some are only receiving a fraction of the pension they were promised. With an unemployment rate like we've never seen here, there's no work for anybody to supplement complete and utter poverty. Not all towns have food banks or aid to help the people. A Greek Tragedy for sure.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u, you're delusional. I'm not trying to control the forum...never have, never will. Nice try, though.

Don't you have anything better to do than shouting out these ridiculous accusations? How about discussing issues of our society or upcoming events or recognizing citizens for their effort to make our community a better place...something other than these lame attacks?

Oh wait...I'm trying to control you by suggesting you get involved in the discussion rather than spew your hatred for me. What was I thinking???

And Hawkeye...you're no better. You're just egging on a troll because of frustrations you have with my posts...even though it was you who used to complain incessantly about a few prior commenting individuals who would do the same as trollbox4u. Guess if they're on your side, it's not trolling, huh!

Pathetic souls!!!

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"A Greek Tragedy for sure."

I really see no reason this tragedy won't be playing soon here. Bulging debt, good chance of a costly war with Iraq, high unemployment and underemployment, social safety nets strained, and on & on. We've seen how imposing austerity chokes economic activity, and Europe will end up (probably) showing us the big money folks will be protected-again. Tax money funneled directly to prop up a doomed financial system. At least now we're paying directly into their coffers, don't have to hide behind middle of the night transfer of billions of dollars of "free" money.

With Europe in recession and no easy way out, China's growth significantly slowing, even the emerging economies such as Brazil and India slowing, the US can't "grow" our way out of this economic quagmire. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, assuming it ever will. Saw where the percentage of people who believe hard work will lead to success has fallen from 42% in 2008 to 13% today. Take notes on the Greek Tragedy playing out, it very well could be the "new normal".

mrd — September 28, 2012 at 2:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal



U.S. District Judge Dana Christensen ruled state laws were irrelevant in the case involving alleged violations of the federal Controlled Substances Act.

This was in the trial of a medical marijuana grower whose defense was that he was in compliance with Montana law.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Medical-marijuana-provider-trial-to-go-to-jury-3898873.php

Most polls show 502 with significant support among the voters.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/06/19/marijuana-initiative-flying-high-poll/

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8d573f69-9273-4d27-b14c-25f6a9531d5e&c;=16

Lots of interesting outcomes once the law is passed (assuming the polls are an accurate measurement).

The big winners are the Mexican drug cartels.

roger — September 28, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***Oh Todd, time to step away from the mic***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onL7RrBRcFc

hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Jesus said to his followers,"you received free, give free" he said nothing about charging ten percent or whatever of your income or charging for services. That is my understanding anyway.

rincon1 — September 28, 2012 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Rincon et al, the church tax was always voluntary, of course. But based on many centuries of the church pretty much dictating daily life for the peasants, once it was established it was viewed as mandatory. Let's just say it was the norm and not questioned. If you have ever watched the movie "Choccolat", where church going behavior was the norm and those who did not -well, I grew up in a village like that. A firm grasp was still had by the church in the 60s. That also holds of the protestant church naturally, they also paid.

As church going behavior declined,it became more alright to exhibit such previously frowned upon behavior. And it was fine until the church started to count the income -oops. So therefore no burial in a cemetery if you do not pay every month. Back to the old 10% mandatory tithing of medieval times...interdiction it is (see old Henry VIII of England for that one)

Nice behavior, isn't it? This will not go over well with the Germans, trust me.

luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thank you Luvithere, very interesting. Are you from Greece?

rincon1 — September 28, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


No, Germany

luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldenoldie,
No hatred for anybody here, just some disgust. You are the pathetic soul. You write a personal email to me and talk of your accident, brain injury and death of family,why? For pity? You share way too much personal information, period. You are the one responsible for putting that information out here. You are the only one to blame for your words. You do not know what it is to accept your own short comings. You sit here and bash, insult and troll other comments day in and day out, but only only cry out when the same is done to you! That is a double standard for sure. My contributions to this forum would be so much more if yours weren't. Oh, quit using the poor me woman excuse, it is very belittling to the rest of the women who comment here.

soapbox4u — September 28, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldenoldie, are you part of mitt's 47% and collect SSDI for the brain injury caused by that accident? Just saying....

soapbox4u — September 28, 2012 at 5:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Guess al Qaeda won't be the only ones needing to keep an eye peeled skyward.

Congress has directed the Federal Aviation Administration to come up with safety regulations that will clear the way for routine domestic use of unmanned aircraft within the next three years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/fear-police-drones_n_1920433.html?utm_hp_ref=technology&icid;=maing-grid7|main5|dl21|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D212315

roger — September 28, 2012 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — September 28, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.

I have a feeling you're right, mrd. Only time and poor leadership decisions will be the deciding factor.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — September 28, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.

Ah yes...taking things out of context to write your own twisted version of a personal email I sent you...and when was that email written, soapbox4u??? Care to share that with everyone??? Let's clear up the air about this right here, right now. First of all...yes, I was involved in an accident with my mother and it's been a long time!!! Yes, there was a severe brain injury...and it was my MOTHER, you sad excuse for a human being! YES, she died from the injuries sustained in the accident. NO I WASN'T LOOKING FOR SYMPATHY! NO I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS ACCIDENT, LOOKING FOR SYMPATHY. Why don't you go back and read just why I wrote you that email and why I discussed the subject matter, jerk. I've come a long way in recovery from that accident myself, both emotionally and physically. Am I looking for sympathy? No I am not!

You are one of the most evil people on the planet, Soapbox4u...

Karma will hit you in a BIG BIG way for your disgusting, heartless comments for which I see you stating this to try and push me out of the forum.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**

sorry for your loss. in such a painful way, too.

at least when there's long-term sickness, you have some time to adjust and prepare yourself.

soapbox (whom i've graybar'd for *obvious* reasons) sounds a lot like hawkeye...i got basically the same reaction from him when i posted about how wonderful people were in the area of north carolina where my father is buried.

jerks, yes. also losers.

DeeLittle — September 28, 2012 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Soapbox...(continued)

Just because I'm a stubborn person who won't back down from the crap people like YOU and a few others on here would prefer, doesn't mean we're going to allow you to push us around, either.

Regarding your question about the 47%...it wasn't me who had the brain injury. It was my mother who endured a long, agonizing fatal injury to her brain. Sheesh...you can't even get the facts straight!!! And no, I do not collect SSDI, SSI or anything else. In fact, I collect nothing from the government. I pay my taxes fair and square. So now you know something else about me. Oh no...I'm telling too much about my life!!!

About that comment everyone on the left side of the ticket has blown out of proportion...the 47% comment...

I will not discuss with you if I believe Romney was correct or incorrect in his statement.

YOU - SOAPBOX4U... have crossed that threshold between posting sarcastic comments and a vile and vindictive attack with absolutely no reason to do such. I'd suggest you cease such actions.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.
I always tell my wife this is her theme song, but today it is yours.

http://youtu.be/nvlTJrNJ5lA

frobert — September 28, 2012 at 6:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal



rincon1, check out the translation of Leviticus 27:30-32. I believe this is where the concept of giving a tenth of your earnings to the church began although through the bible there are several verses about giving to charity, to God, to those less fortunate.

I hope this has been helpful.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Frobert - You have brought a smile to my face after...well...

You know. And you're right!!! I won't back down! No way will I back down...and I will defend myself when needed.

Every day, there's challenges we all must face. Ignorant and selfish acts by others in order to gain what they perceive as a foothold in their demented mind is a challenge we must endure. Patience is something we all must practice and sometimes that patience wears quite thin to the point where we must defend ourselves with words or actions...but we hold onto what patience we possess in order to cope with that point to regain our composure. It is folks such as yourself who find something to fit in at just the right time which helps. Thanks!

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere...a church tax...it just sounds so very wrong. No separation of church and state in my opinion.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes thank you, I believe that was for the Israelites and the alien residence living with them and was one of the requirements listed in the law covenant given them by God through Moses. I believe that law covenant was done away with or fulfilled about the time Jesus gave us the new covenants, which is based on love of god and fellow humanes. P.S. I agree with you and Dee Little a 100 per cent.

rincon1 — September 28, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 28, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.

My friend...in life we are thrown a curve ball multiple times as you probably know...but we pick up that ball and carry it to the plate and toss it with all our might each time into outfield...so to speak. Yes, it was an extremely trying time. It's always difficult to see the ones you love endure suffering which you have no control to prevent...especially when it happens all too fast. One minute you're laughing and joking with the person and in a flash...they no longer can recognize anything around them. The pain they endure in their body, you endure in your heart...and it's a deep pain...an ache like none other. Sometimes, you don't have that time to adjust which is the worst emotional pain for those watching their loved one suffer. You seek answers...answers that never come the way you'd hope, but they're there.

The healing time for the family members of those who have passed is different for everyone...and it hurts...oh does it hurt! Just when you think you're getting your life back, some imbecile comes along and thrusts that curve ball right back in your face...but you've built up your strength to fight it off...to throw it right back at them and move on...

...and that's just what I am doing!!! The power of prayer has helped me to endure my losses and to help me regain my strength...and to regain my strength in humanity, even when the ignorance continues to flourish all around me. I'm sure others have gone through similar thoughts and feelings...but in the end, we'll be okay.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GO, yes i agree with you, the church tax is wrong. That's why I never paid it (plus I did not go to church anyway). As I said, it was implemented a very long time ago (before WWI I believe) and for a reason, valid maybe back then. But it has stayed on the books since then, and in last 20 years fewer and fewer have opted in to pay. Probably all thought they could use the money for themselves and so many never go to church anyway. How they would ever enforce the "pay for service" I have no idea. This will nicely backfire. Maybe Rome can open up the treasure house instead. They sure got plenty anyway.

luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


and by the way, I think France has the same tax. Probably Italy also, and a few others. Old habits die hard.

luvithere — September 28, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow...luvithere...just as I've said many times here on the forum...

We learn something every day.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


rincon1 — September 28, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.

Well stated regarding the biblical references...and thanks, btw.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***And the queen is back on her high horse!!!!!***

hawkeye — September 28, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Personal email? Can you do that here? I had no idea... where can I find that?

In the matter of cannabis distribution:

Pot is currently a schedule I drug. Even hemp, 'cause though it won't get a fly high, it too carries traces of THC (in Europe I think the cut-off is like .03%).

Schedule I. Period. End of statement.

Cannabis is not "legal" in any of the states (17 now?) that have medicinal cannabis laws. Cannabis is **not** legal. No, it's not, anywhere on the planet (Israel?, maybe...).

Why?

I used to think it had to do with the pharmaceutical industry, but I'm not so sure anymore. Aspirin is not willow bark. It was at one time (ASA is now synthesized), but when was the last time you saw someone stripping willow bark to make a tea? It's estimated 40,000 tonnes of the stuff are consumed annually. Aspirin, not bark.

Oh, no doubt the pharms see plenty of promise in the phytocannabinoids, ligands and synthetics. And **that** is going to get most interesting here shortly. Sativex (it's pot - no, really) is in FDA trials. Should the FDA approve...

No, I don't think it's the stoney nor medicinal side of the plant that has some shadowy group keeping it locked in a cage.

Then who?

The DOJ has stated they don't give a fat rats about me, you or them having us a bit of cannabis to relieve our maladies. That makes sense on several levels. 1. It isn't financially feasable to pursue me, you or them. 2. It's a way to turn a blind eye without changing the law.

The DOJ doesn't care about a few mice running about in the basement.

Now, when the meeces start building million dollar corporations. Uh...

And again, why? What, where, how is that an issue?

31 states have introduced (industrial) hemp legislation. 23 have passed same (sumthin' like that). Where are the fields of hemp? Oh, that's right...

Think about it.

The scheduling of marihuana isn't about getting stoned. It never was. It's more complicated than that. Hey! What's that behind the curtain over there?

Drift — September 28, 2012 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift: If you move your cursor over the avatar box, you will see a drop down column. When you click on that, you'll see the list of options. That's where it's located.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


now that we've had a little time to "find out what's in it", is obamacasre a good thing, bad thing or parts are ok while others are evil....?

DeeLittle — September 28, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Also Drift...I think you have to be logged out in order to utilize the option. Yeah...you'll have to sign in again in order to send that private message.

goldenoldie — September 28, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Funny how someone who is a "founding member of Caring Heart Society" acts in a childish manner. I mean come on the core values is to *support each individual and maximize opportunities so they can reach their highest potential*. Makes me sick to know of such hate people put out there who are involved in a good program who are completely hypercritical.

mxfun118 — September 28, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 28, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.

Alaska State law does not prohibit personal use of marijuana, I think Maine is now up to a pound before you violate criminal statute. Federal law however is another matter.

The Obama administration promised not to violate state sovereignty concerning medical marijuana, yet this past Wednesday, took action against more providers in one day than the Bush administration did in eight years.

Romney had an opportunity to take a leadership role and adhere to his parties stand of states rights, but he declined. The only advantage to Romney is that conservative Supreme Court justices are more likely to uphold the peoples right to use marijuana.

frobert — September 28, 2012 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Curious, I've always wondered why Cannabis was illegal yet gvt allows OxyContin?? Never understood that!

mxfun118 — September 28, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Okay, so I sent myself a test mail. Where'd it go?! I see a "wall, comments, friends..." I don't see anything telling me I've an unopened "mail."

It doesn't matter what the states allow, fro. That was my point. Until Uncle Sugar comes around the DEA (and friends) will be knocking on doors.

The states are ready to make a change (see Or., Wa. and Co.). The citizens of this country are ready (see polls for medicinal and outright legalization). Sugar's feet are still planted firmly in molasses.

And why -is- that?

Don't go all "treaties" on me. That's a non-starter.

Drift — September 28, 2012 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 28, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.,

Don't forget Justice Roberts' reasoning on required health insurance - Interstate Commerce can stop someone from doing something, but can't force one to do something. That supported the cornerstone of the Feds anti-marijuana crusade, and it would be hard for him to reverse tack now. 5-4 supporting the current laws.

The biggest outcome I see with 502 passing is if local and state law enforcement decide this means they're out of the business of caring whether you or I possess, grow or smoke pot. I think at that point drift's point that the Feds don't care becomes the Feds can't care - they depend on the locals for support. Small time local growers could operate with relative impunity - as long as they don't get too big trying to make too much money. Not sure about the income tax angle, though - how would one declare illegal income?

roger — September 28, 2012 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, and fro, when you say, "The Obama administration promised..." Are you speaking of this?

(quote)
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEMonday, October 19, 2009

Attorney General Announces Formal Medical Marijuana Guidelines

Attorney General Eric Holder today announced formal guidelines for federal prosecutors in states that have enacted laws authorizing the use of marijuana for medical purposes. The guidelines make clear that the focus of federal resources should not be on individuals whose actions are in compliance with existing state laws, while underscoring that the Department will continue to prosecute people whose claims of compliance with state and local law conceal operations inconsistent with the terms, conditions, or purposes of those laws.

"It will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana, but we will not tolerate drug traffickers who hide behind claims of compliance with state law to mask activities that are clearly illegal," Holder said. "This balanced policy formalizes a sensible approach that the Department has been following since January: effectively focus our resources on serious drug traffickers while taking into account state and local laws."

The guidelines set forth examples of conduct that would show when individuals are not in clear and unambiguous compliance with applicable state law and may indicate illegal drug trafficking activity of potential federal interest, including unlawful use of firearms, violence, sales to minors, money laundering, amounts of marijuana inconsistent with purported compliance with state or local law, marketing or excessive financial gains similarly inconsistent with state or local law, illegal possession or sale of other controlled substances, and ties to criminal enterprises."
(quote ends)

Read it thrice, and then get back to me.

Drift — September 28, 2012 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And I'll repeat an earlier post of something that just happened yesterday --

U.S. District Judge Dana Christensen ruled state laws were irrelevant in the case involving alleged violations of the federal Controlled Substances Act.

This was in the trial of a medical marijuana grower whose defense was that he was in compliance with Montana law.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Medical-marijuana-provider-trial-to-go-to-jury-3898873.php

Sort of puts a crimp on the AG's position; how can one be in compliance with something that has no legal bearing?

roger — September 28, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 28, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.

There is a video clip with a condensed version by President Obama himself. Holder's version sounds more like Orwellian doublespeak.

frobert — September 28, 2012 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee Little 7:53

I sent this a few days ago. Link still won't go through.

Google PCTC blog. Go to sidebar on right. Scroll to:

September 14, 2012 Here's What Obamacare Does; Sell it With All Your Might

langenthal — September 28, 2012 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If 502 passes (and I've said this afore) I think it'll be a symbolic gesture. The feds are using "illicit gains" as a tool. I've heard banks down in California (and Colorado) won't touch a medicinal cannabis account.

Before the siezure move on Harborside the IRS hit them with a several million dollar invoice. Because, an illegal business can't claim what a legal one can.

Gregoire vetoed 36 sections of 5073 to protect state employees. 502 would put them back in the crosshairs (yes, I know other states... I'm writing of this one). Will the new governor pull a Brewer and try to sue his own state?

'Course, on the upside, that bag of weed in your pocket will no longer be cause for arrest. Provided, the copper is a state or municipal employee.

Drift — September 28, 2012 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 28, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.

The road to ending the war on drugs is through jury nullification and States refusing to take part in it. That is what finally did away with prohibition, the 21st was just a formality.

frobert — September 28, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 28, 2012 at 8:51 p.m.

The DEA is currently in the process of trying to seize all of the lands of Haynes corporation, one of Maine's larges land owners and a major employer in the timber industry. Someone had an illegal grow on a parcel of their land. The DEA claim the corporation was complicit, but they don't have to prove that to take the land and put the employees out of work.

frobert — September 28, 2012 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, dude got whacked because the feds don't recognize medicinal cannabis. It's not an affirmative defense.

Now, now, I know you wanna say something about those tins sent out monthly to a handful of people. You know, that bunk grown down Mississippi? The name of that program carriies the word "investigational."

I gotta tell ya folks, and I'm not picking on anyone here, but -

I'm sure you're all aware I'm a bit of an "activist" (see, http://capndrift.wordpress.com/) the thing is though, twisting the "enemies" words is not productive. If anything ( IMHO) it's calling the pot... you know what I mean.

This issue needs to be met head on. No, "He said she said." No, "Well I thought they meant..." That's all bullhocky. The federal government needs to be pinned down.

The cool thing is, it's happening. The DEA is getting *their* door knocked upon. (One) case in point: http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=7260

There's an ongoing battle with the DEA in North Dakota. That one is about farmers wanting to grow industrial hemp. Yeah, you know, like cotton or sorghum or whatever.

Things have come a long ways in the last ten years. I'm guessing it won't be long before the various government agencies will have no choice, but to disobey their corporate masters.

Thing is, we, on this side of the battle, should not resort to their tactics of grey areas, double speak, and whatnot.

Think like a scientist. Facts, data, results. Period.
And then nail the bast... er, or something.

Drift — September 28, 2012 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, and that mail thing (he blushes)... I just opened my test message in my regular mailer inbox

Heh.

Drift — September 28, 2012 at 9:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not to keep this going, but I got 2 cents to throw away...

goldenoldie @ ...all week. A few comments of yours, just from this week alone. Doesn't even include your fave "crazy" sock puppet. I'm sure we'll see elisi pretty quick to take up any slack.

Do you ever absorb anything you post? The degree in which you exhibit forum social behavioral disorders are exceeded only by your political acumen. I don't respond to many of your posts because i don't wish to enable you. Not because "Sooo....no answer to my question, huh! Cat got yer tongue???"

Your arrogance/rudeness is beyond the pale. You constantly frame discussion in a combative manner while laying in wait to play your victim card. My God the insults and accusations that come from your fingertips. The upshot is we don't have to actually hear this trash.

There is no conspiracy "I see you stating this to try and push me out of the forum". But something you should consider. You've spiraled down before in this manner and seemingly a hiatus helps you for a brief time. Perhaps you should consider a professional if your words are indicative of your true character.

No one comes close to addressing you in the manner you address others.

I'll give it a rest now because soapbox4u said it all too well.

*You are the only one to blame for your words. You do not know what it is to accept your own short comings. You sit here and bash, insult and troll other comments day in and day out, but only only cry out when the same is done to you! That is a double standard for sure. My contributions to this forum would be so much more if yours weren't. Oh, quit using the poor me woman excuse, it is very belittling to the rest of the women who comment here.*

you appear even more like a fool

your useless links

Some day you'll realize how narrow minded and ignorant you truly are.

soapbox4u, you're delusional.

If you think that...again, I say...you're clueless.

Pathetic souls!!!

you sad excuse for a human being!

jerk.

Ignorance is bliss for those who seek to avoid the truth.

You are one of the most evil people on the planet, Soapbox4u...

some imbecile

cobwebs forming in your cranial region

You're right there with the three monkeys.

or is that too demeaning for someone who believes their union retirement is secure?

So right about now...we shall be expecting one of those little pissy digs from soapbox4u because this woman spoke up against you, huh!

Well sir, why don't you take your little keester out and about

Stop spewing out the BS

**Definitely an interesting study in human behavior, wouldn't you say???**

Indeed!!!

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 10:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From the one who knows him the best! Sure gives the American people a lot of confidence. Another nail in Mitt's political coffin.

**Ann Romney: Biggest Fear Is For Mitt's 'Mental Well-Being'**

WASHINGTON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - Ann Romney told a Nevada television station her biggest concern if her husband, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, becomes president was his "mental well-being."

In an interview Thursday with television station KTVN, Mrs. Romney was asked what her biggest worry was should Mitt Romney be elected to serve in the White House.

"I think my biggest concern obviously would just be for his mental well-being," she said. "I have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy. ... So for me I think it would just be the emotional part of it."

Mrs. Romney has been campaigning hard for her husband, with some bumps in the road. She had minor surgery on her right hand recently, making it difficult for her to shake hands, the Nevada station reported.

In Iowa a week ago, she had a tough response for the Republicans who have criticized her husband.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/mitt-romney-mental-well-being_n_1924622.html

nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 10:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit ---

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/patty-murray-says-gop-senator-blocking-vets-cola-increase/2012/09/27/da47ac88-08cb-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

I was listening to the radio today and the subject was how the COLA for veterans was held up by an anonymous Republican Senator. Patty Murray referred to the action as "stunning".

The conversation segued into this powerful speech by Jim Webb on "givers and takers":

Those young Marines that I led have grown older now. They've lived lives of courage, both in combat and after their return, where many of them were derided by their own peers for having served. That was a long time ago. They are not bitter. They know what they did. But in receiving veterans' benefits, they are not takers. They were givers, in the ultimate sense of that word. There is a saying among war veterans: "All gave some, some gave all." This is not a culture of dependency. It is a part of a long tradition that gave this country its freedom and independence. They paid, some with their lives, some through wounds and disabilities, some through their emotional scars, some through the lost opportunities and delayed entry into civilian careers which had already begun for many of their peers who did not serve.

And not only did they pay. They will not say this, so I will say it for them. They are owed, if nothing else, at least a mention, some word of thanks and respect, when a presidential candidate who is their generational peer makes a speech accepting his party's nomination to be commander-in-chief.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/jim-webb-on-givers-and-takers/263039/

langenthal — September 28, 2012 at 11:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**lang**

you couldn't have given a more biased source, but i read it with as open a mind as i could.

look, here's how i see obamacare: it perpetuates
the obscene profits of the current leeches in the system; the health-care delivery system, and the health-care insurance system. the only ppl who lose are those clueless and powerless schm***ks who will be taxed unto death to pay for it.

you want REAL health-care and health-insurance reform? CHANGE THE WAY HEALTH CARE IS PRICED.
cut off the freeway to riches of tort lawyers. force the HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS to show, just like they're trying on insurance companies, to DOCUMENT HOW MUCH GOES TO HEALTH CARE AND HOW MUCH TO ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.

obama paid off campaign debts (of support) with this no-fix 'change'.

only one who gets hosed with THIS plan is we, the TAXPAYERS.

fix HEALTH CARE EXPENSES. then insurance companies have NO EXCUSE BUT TO LOWER PREMIUMS TO A REASONABLE LEVEL.

DeeLittle — September 28, 2012 at 11:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**DANA & ROGER**

what do you two think about the cluster frick that the libyan ambassador's butchering?

we obviously *knew* it was a terrorist attack, timed for 9/11.

and yet we have the ambassador to the UN bald-face lying to the people. hillary even knew.

we were lied to. we didn't protect an ambassador who was in fear of his life.

i've heard unsubstantiated rumors our military was cut to below-effective levels, and were given 'do not engage' orders from great leader O.

put bluntly, i've had it. with pol's who play political one-upmanship with other people's lives. who make decisions based on election polls rather than the good of our country.

i see the *millions* of hollow-point ammo being hoarded by the current gvt, and wonder why they think there's a need to prepare to fight the citizens.

any comments.....?

DeeLittle — September 28, 2012 at 11:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 28, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.

DITTO

hawkeye — September 29, 2012 at 4:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee Little 11:29 pm --- Methinks you had your mind made up and your question at 7:53 was not sincere. However, I'll choose to play your silly game one more time.

I've repeated some info from the article in the PCTC Blog that you may have overlooked:

Beginning in 2015, payments to doctors will be based on the quality of care, not volume.

For-profit Insurance companies are now required to spend at least 80% of premium revenue on health care, with any excess returned to individual policyholders in the form of a rebate.

Non-profit health insurers, like Blue Cross don’t escape scrutiny, either, as they must now spend at least 85% of premiums on health care in order to take advantage of federal tax benefits.

Insurance companies live and die based on risk pools. The greater the risk they have to take on, the harder it is to make a profit. Keep in mind; before Obamacare, they used to maximize profits by denying coverage to anyone who might actually need health care. Thanks to the ACA, beginning in 2014, they have to accept everyone who wants to buy a policy, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and they can’t cut anyone off when they get sick. They also won’t be able to set annual or lifetime coverage limits. At the same time, they have to spend 80%-85% of premiums on health care, which means they are extremely limited with regard to the amount they can spend on administrative costs (including executive bonuses) and take out in profits. Higher risk pools and a a limited 15-20% of revenue to squeeze a profit from, and they'll be demanding a "public option."

Is the ACA perfect? Of course not. No single bill ever is. But it's damn good, and it improves our health insurance system enough that all we'll need to do going forward is to tweak it to make it better. [from PCTC Blog]

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, I decided to utilize the gray bar once again after considering your comment regarding North Carolina and your father. I remember what they put you through and what they are feebly attempting with me in regards to their piecemeal trash talk. I just laugh at them. They have sad, sad lives for sure. Some people haven't a decent bone in their body and have no conscience. And those gray bars??? Heck, it eliminated a lot of scrolling down to the most recent comments, lol.

You know...it's a beautiful Autumn day today. Maybe I'll head out with my dear hubby on one of those wonderful scenic rides that John Laird always brags about!!! The Autumn Colors are abundant and make great photo opportunities!!!

goldenoldie — September 29, 2012 at 5:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mxfun118 — September 28, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.

Good point, mx...good point! Not only are people like this hypercritical, but they are also hypocritical in their rants. No focus...just condemnation to those who aren't afraid to speak their minds against the hypocrits. If you notice, the person said they were a "founding member." Makes you wonder at what capacity!

goldenoldie — September 29, 2012 at 5:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*They deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth.*

~Plato~

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langenthal- Great impassioned speech from Webb. I'm sure we'll learn which Senator held up the COLA. They need to have their feet held to the fire. It's unfortunate the number of Senate seats up for grabs aren't a little more equal. If so the Dems would have no problem gaining a super majority. (the rule might change) I think the public at large is getting fed up with republican obstructionism.

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — September 28, 2012 at 11:39 p.m.

I am not following the UN too closely. Partly because I don't have good access the networks that are most extensively covering it. But mostly because I don't really care. I believe that the UN has outlived it's usefullness to an extent. There are some areas that it is doing good things, but the idea that they are going to pass resolutions in the attempt to persuade a government to behave in a certain fashion, but when that government doesn't conform they do nothing. And when a member decides to take an action in support of these resolutions, they are condemned?

That aside, I mentioned before, the idea that the Marines at the embassy would be given an order to not engage anything considered to be committing a hostile act, or even to act in self defense, is extremely absurd. If there is truth that such an order was given is a true sign of how the powers that be really do feel about protecting it's citizens and allowing the services to do their assigned jobs.

I do not know the truth to this. So I will avoid speaking out until I do.

danabwoodley — September 29, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Historically, when the the legislative branch of any government becomes intimidated by the executive branch it becomes a dictatorship. When a society degrades into a dictatorship it becomes tyranny. Most of the infamous dictatorships had legislative bodies that stopped answering to the people and started answering to the leader. By design we have separation of powers, the president is not allowed to introduce law. When our lawmakers block bad law it is not obstructionism, it is their job.

frobert — September 29, 2012 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


" Election officials in six Florida counties are investigating what appears to be "hundreds” of cases of suspected voter fraud by a GOP consulting firm that has been paid nearly $3 million by the Republican National Committee to register Republican voters in five key battleground states, state officials tell NBC. "

maybe the republicans ARE on to something with this voter fraud-their own.

mrd — September 29, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


correction;

The original article I read concerning the DEA trying to seize land in Maine, confused H.C. Haynes corporation(locally known as Haynes) with Haynes corporation. Although it still may just be a land grab by the DEA, the subjects are not, as I previously stated, one of the States major landholders or a major employer.

frobert — September 29, 2012 at 10:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***Ahmadinnerjacket leads in the polls***

Iran's leading news agency published a mock poll that claimed rural whites in the U.S. favored Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over president Barack Obama.

The mock poll was originally published on a popular U.S. media site, The Onion.

The FARS news agency—which touts itself as Iran's leading independent news agency while others note its ties to government—published much of the made-up poll that first appeared in the U.S. parody website.

The Onion site quoted a fictitious Gallup Poll that noted "77 percent of rural Caucasian voters...would much rather go to a baseball game or have a beer with Ahmadinejad...than spend time with Obama."

FARS led its story with that statement and even quoted someone from the Onion piece, West Virginia resident Swiderski, saying of Ahmadinejad, "I like him better."

Oops.

Word of duping the Iranian agencies made its way through media sites and was also picked up by media blogger Jim Romenesko.

The Onion had a little fun with it, too, it seems, adding to the end of the article, "For more on this story: Please visit our Iranian subsidiary organization, Fars."

The story was live on the FARS website early on Friday afternoon but was no longer available by 1:30 p.m. ET. The link to FARS goes to an earlier screen grab of the story that had been on the FARS website.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/iranian-news-agency-duped-onion-story-obama-poll-180154413.html

hawkeye — September 29, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- Thought this would be interesting follow up. Not surprisingly Fox News has been fooled. I'd be wiling to bet a few bucks Fox dishes out more propaganda than the Iranian news agency also! :)

**Fooled by The Onion: 8 Most Embarrassing Fails**

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/29/fooled-by-the-onion-8-most-embarrassing-fails.html

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal




**Before Debate, Tough Crowds at the Practice**

Mr. Romney’s team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since August. His strategy includes luring the president into appearing smug or evasive about his responsibility for the economy.

Mr. Obama is not particularly fluid in sound bites, so his team is aiming for a workmanlike performance like his speech at the Democratic convention. He is looking to show that Mr. Romney would drive the country in an extreme ideological direction at odds with the interests of the middle class.

For both men, it is a chance to reintroduce themselves to the largest audience in the campaign to date. “The debate at one level is almost a Zen moment — who is this person?” said Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, who debated Mr. Romney during the Republican primary campaign. “What’s the larger story? What are we watching? What’s the drama we’re watching?”

As the candidates prepare, the first trick for Mr. Obama is finding time. His rehearsals have started late and ended early because of events like the tumult in the Middle East. He showed up at one practice just after speaking at a ceremony for the four Americans killed in Libya, and aides found that his mind was elsewhere.

“The ability to find solid blocks of time to do nothing but prepare for debate is almost impossible for a president,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director. “The world doesn’t wait for debate prep.”

The president plans to decamp on Sunday to Nevada for a less distracting couple of days of practice.

During preparations, fewer than a dozen advisers are in the room. Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts plays Mr. Romney. Aides press Mr. Obama about unemployment, taxes and foreign policy, and try to be “as annoying as a White House correspondent,” as one put it. “You want to push the button and see how he will react,” the aide said.

Mr. Obama is a practiced debater after participating in more than 20 during the Democratic primary campaign in 2008, followed by three during the general election. But this will be his first as an incumbent, presenting new challenges.

Obama advisers are acutely aware that Mr. Romney used debates to dispatch Republican rivals one by one during the primary campaign. When they watched Mr. Romney’s recent interview with “60 Minutes,” they noticed that his answers were succinct and well rehearsed, a sign of the hours he had invested.

The president’s advisers said they were less interested in one-liners and were focused instead on making Mr. Obama more accessible.

read more @

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/us/politics/cramming-and-pruning-for-first-presidential-debate.html?pagewanted=1

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A story of survival...the 1% way.

**Mitt’s campaign-killing snobbery**

*If you need help docking your large boat, Romney's your man. That's become a problem for voters*

At a recent fundraiser, Bill Marriott, chairman of the international hotel conglomerate, introduced Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney by noting that they both have summer houses on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire. Marriott told a story of taking his boat into town with his grandkids to get ice cream:

*And we got into the docks and they were all full and I looked around, there was no place to park, so we stopped at the end of a dock. They all jumped off and ran up the dock. And I realized there was nobody in the boat to help me dock the boat, handle the ropes, do anything – they just left me out there at sea. So I finally found a place to park after about 20 minutes, and I pulled in, I said, ‘Who’s going to grab the rope?,’ and I looked up and there was Mitt Romney. So he pulled me in, he tied up the boat for me. He rescued me just as he’s going to rescue this great country.’*

No doubt all of the big donors in the room who have boats so big it takes more than one person to dock them were nodding along and thinking, “Yeah, Mitt Romney understands us rich people and is here to help.” Of course, for the 99 percent of other voters, that is precisely the problem.

The issue is not that Romney is wealthy. There have been many successful, wealthy candidates in American history — Kennedy, both Roosevelts, obviously plenty of members of Congress. In fact, it’s worth noting that President Obama’s net worth far exceeds that of the average American family.

read more @

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/28/mitt_romney_adrift/

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From Pew Research

STUNNING Graphic: Romney's 47% Video Has Been Viewed Three Times More Than His Convention Speech

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What needs to be fully digested is this:

A brave soul, discreetly filming a Romney fundraiser behind closed doors on a grainy, poorly-placed cell phone, has impacted the election (at least) three times more than Romney's own convention speech. The entity designed specifically to craft public opinion.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/28/1137757/-STUNNING-Romney-s-47-Video-Has-Been-Viewed-Three-Times-More-Than-His-Convention-Speech

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 2:15- ...and ALEC creeps into the forum...

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 2:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- Creeps? I don't think so. More like a blast of crap!! Take any one of those headlines & you will come up with the weirdest bunch of RWNJ crap purveyors. I feel like I've been blasted with all the crazy cousin emails and Facebook nonsense in one fell swoop.

These sources are what fuel some of the nonsense we see here on the forum. You will see the usual suspects on the funding list Koch, DeVos, Prince, etc.

Mackinac Center is one of the sources. Scan this info on The Mackinac Center including funding and causes [privatization; anti-union,etc]:

http://www.mea.org/privatization/pdf/mackinaccenter-thetruth.pdf

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In 2001, researchers Peter Cookson, Jr. Ph.D. and Katie Embree Ph.D. of Columbia University, and Alex Molnar, Ph.D. of Arizona State University, reviewed the Mackinac Center‟s research on education issues. Funded by the Great Lakes Center, which is in turn funded by the National Education Association and its 6 Midwest affiliates,12 the authors found that in only one case did the Center‟s research reach a quality sufficient to be considered for publication in a peer-reviewed academic journal.13 The authors found:

“Mackinac Center research is often of low quality and because of this it should be treated with considerable skepticism by the public, policy makers and political leaders. Indeed, much of the work of the Mackinac Center may have caused more confusion than clarity in the public discussion of the issues that it has addressed by systematically ignoring evidence that does not agree with its proposed solutions.”

The study went on to say: “Center reports tend to use social science language without proper social science methods in a way that gives the appearance of social scientific legitimacy to the Center‟s preconceived beliefs and ideas.”
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langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- I meant to say --- Take any one of those headlines & put in Google. You will come up with the weirdest bunch of RWNJ crap purveyors. It's all canned & ready to spread just like manure.

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 3:27 p.m

***BUT THEY HAVE TO BE TRUE, IT'S ON THE NET!!! AND THEY CAN'T PUT ANYTHING ON THE NET THAT'S NOT TRUE..... RIGHT?***

hawkeye — September 29, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 3:27 p.m

You use the Daily Kos as a source and then complain about Crazytrain's sources?

frobert — September 29, 2012 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert --- I want to think you know how it works but maybe not. I believe my recent post was from Pew Research that someone posted on DailyKos. I frequently forget to save something I have read and want to share so I do a Google search and if it comes up DailyKos, as the Pew Research one did, then so be it. That might not have been my original source. Yes, I am aware everytime I use those links it gets some of the basement dwellers reaching for the smelling salts. Whatever. They wouldn't be interested in comprehending the content anyway.

I think you're too savvy to not understand that. You understand how blogs & aggregators work.

Here are some examples of the websites I found when I looked for the blast of crap: weaselzippers.us; www.michigancapitolconfidential.com; www.yellowbullet.com;
www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/; exposingtheleft.blogspot.com;
http://cowboybyte.com/[a member of Liberty Alliance]

Honestly, do you think they are credible? I don't know if any are your brand of Republican/Libertarian. Hope you get a chance to check them out. Hardly in the same league as DailyKos or Huffington Post or even Drudge Report, I imagine. I haven't looked at it in ages.

So while we are talking about the lunatic fringe, I wonder if Michael Savage's resignation from his radio gig will cause him to be missed around here.

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Higher risk pools and a a limited 15-20% of revenue to squeeze a profit from, and they'll be demanding a "public option."

....and that's the *real* goal, isn't it. NOT "what is best for americans" but "how can we socialize medicine". well, this pile of paper certainly achieves that end. just wait until you *really* know just what's in it. but being of the political bent you are, you'll be delighted.

DeeLittle — September 29, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.

I read a little about Savage's fight with his boss and his resignation. It looks to me like he may possibly have a new boss with deeper pockets and a larger audience.

Scary, that.

hawkeye — September 29, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye --- Oh my! That's right & at such choice places on the net too. Combine that with everything that has to be true on the radio & Fox and look what you get.

I try not to reply but some of this is so obvious. If they didn't come at it from such a warped place, they could see much of what they put out there doesn't make sense. I'm not saying that all of this recent blast doesn't make sense but it inspired me to respond.

Dee Little recently stated in words to the effect that Obama doesn't allow Bibles in military hospitals. Not true. On another occasion, she made the Pledge of Allegiance sound divinely inspired. Maybe some don't know that we had to learn the new Pledge in 1954 with "under God" inserted.

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee Little --- You're right about one thing. I do want a "public option".

Do you understand how Medicare works? Do you think a person at 65 has to go to a government doctor somewhere? Does the government tell you what doctor you can use when you are on Medicare? How do you think it works? Do you think it is socialized medicine?

You have mentioned that you have to call the government to get your medication so maybe you have a unique program.

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:36 p.m.

You know, it just kills me that people get away with out and out lies and try to sell them as the truth. Wouldn't it be nice if people had to be held responsible for their statements?

hawkeye — September 29, 2012 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Anyone in here take time out from the same 'ol stuff and listen to the interviews with McKenna and Inslee embedded in Editor Lou's weekly?

My take was that McKenna got halfway meaningful questions - and he had answers. from his occasional reference to notes, it appears he knew what was coming. He came across as informed and articulate.

Inslee got "nothing" questions - like what do you think of Jaime. The only one (in the interviews posted) that was halfway useful would have required Inslee to antagonize an important part of his base - the public employees. Editor Lou went on his own topic - why should public employees get pensions. All his answers were somewhat evasive, though. He appeared mildly irritated. Perhaps he recognized a set-up? Or does he truly have nothing to say, and perhaps he didn't like this being exposed?

roger — September 29, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- As you know there's a few "flat earthers" that post here. They live and breathe to blur the lines so they can spout the latest hate hit about that .... socialist in the white house who doesn't understand what it means to be American. A blast of crap indeed!

I've made mention of publications that source credible journalism in addition to producing their own, i.e Huffo Po, Daily Beast & others as beneficial because they haven't started charging $$$ yet. It makes no difference. Still "liberal rags". The upshot is I think some who post here don't even bother to vote.

"crAZy" feeds on the conspiracy side. For the most part just ridiculous stuff without merit.

And speaking of "CraZy", @ 6:56-*GOP Politicians Look More Feminine, Congressional Physiognomy Study Suggests* Most likely that also includes the male GOP faction as well! Amazing what some find relevant.

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Slow day in the basement. I guess most were sickened a bit from goldenoldie's dramatic name calling/character aspersions fest yesterday. Certainly nice to get a break from that!

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.

You can choose which provider you see when you are covered by Medicare, but you have to ensure that the provider will accept Medicare.

While Medicare may not be socialized medicine by its strictest definition, it is a step towards it. If we were to include a public option into the ACA, you would soon find many taxes going up to cover costs. Our wonderful government would be so nice as to keep premiums very low. This would be very taxing on the budget. Taxes would be raised.

Who would stop the government from mandating all providers to accept this coverage? That would encourage more people to utilize this public option because they would not be turned away because of their coverage. The closer we have to 100% covered with the public option, the more control the government will have on the industry as a whole.

Wild conspiracy theory? Perhaps. But I like my freedom. Even my freedom to be ill and die.

danabwoodley — September 29, 2012 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.

Do you even read your own posts? The only hate on this forum comes from the left.

frobert — September 29, 2012 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 29, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.

Yes. On both sides of the spectrum.

danabwoodley — September 29, 2012 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Do you understand how Medicare works? Do you think a person at 65 has to go to a government doctor somewhere? Does the government tell you what doctor you can use when you are on Medicare? How do you think it works? Do you think it is socialized medicine?* langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 5:48 p.m

yes, i understand how it works.

no, a person doesn't have to go to a gvt doctor: there aren't any in practice - yet.

how it works...? it pays a flat fee to anyone willing to provide their services for that amount of money. and there's the point.

as m/c reimb rates are cut, fewer doctors are willing to take on new m/c patients. some, in private practice, even stop seeing existing m/c patients.

those in group practice, like kaiser, blue x, vancouver clinic, do a variety of things to recoup the lower fees paid. *they refuse to take new m/c pts unless they'd been a patient already. and they **increase** prices for non-insured patients**

this accomplishes two things: it generates additional income from those who have credit cards, and it eliminates those patients who would be more likely to go to collection.

eventually, to get what the big o wants, you simply **gradually** lower the reimb rates more and more, until people are *screaming* for access to medical care and are dying because of such long wait times.

ta-da! gvt to the rescue; socialized medicine with gvt doctors. and yeah, there WILL be **death panels**. it's inevitable and core to the working of the system.

DeeLittle — September 29, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


the system that's trying to be accepted in the usa is a win-win-win-lose one:

the gvt wins. more power, more control

the insurance co's win. their premiums can be increased to cover losses d/t forced coverage of currently-sick ppl, plus allll those increased administrative fees for ppl to process the claims, increased costs here, there..everywhere

the health care industry wins because it can charge anything it da*n well wishes without any worry about the consequences to people's ability to pay.

*only losers are **us**, the dolts who didn't realize that you can bleed to death by a thousand cuts just as surely as a knife across the carotid. a tax here, another one there, tax birth, death, travel, illness, food, water, RAIN,...*

THE ONLY WAY TO ACTUALLY *SOLVE* THIS PROBLEM IS TO CONTROL HEALTH CARE COSTS, INCLUDING BIG PHARM. won't happen unless we can outbid the big guys for politicans

DeeLittle — September 29, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Feel free to point out the "hate" in my post frobert. Otherwise quit the drama and move on to something a bit more substantive.

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A song for the week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aAB1s...

roger — September 29, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- Take the flat earthers, the conspiracy theorists and throw in an ultra Randian or two and you still have some thoughtful conservatives and progressives left that make the forum worth following. I guess it was because it was so slow today that I removed Ignore User in the afternoon.

GO is usually predictable with her outbursts towards you. It's almost cyclical. She will come up with something resembling a compliment or a suck up and within hours you are lower than a snake's ass in 15 feet of mud.

It never occurred to me that posters wouldn't vote.

I've never been called "molden oldies" before. Strange term don't you think? I never understand when posters see "hate" so readily. That's such a charged word.

langenthal — September 29, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 8:20 p.m.

"As you know there's a few "flat earthers" that post here."

"I guess most were sickened a bit from goldenoldie's dramatic name"

"The degree in which you exhibit forum social behavioral disorders are exceeded only by your political acumen."

"I'm watching Wettin'Yahoo give his U.N. speech"

These are just a few examples, not including throw away persona's.

Hate bigotry and fear has been the tactics of the democrats since the first president to use that moniker, ever heard of the "trail of tears"?

frobert — September 29, 2012 at 9:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal-*I've never been called "molden oldies" before. Strange term don't you think?*

Strange as hell! :)) I think she has to bring attention to herself in some way shape or form.

Avatarally speaking. :)

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 10:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- *I never understand when posters see "hate" so readily. That's such a charged word.*

Neither do I. Sometimes it's just throwing something at a wall and hoping it sticks.

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 10:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Molded oldies you are so deeply indoctrinated with filth these organizations put out, you're like a diver starving for air!

crazytrain — September 29, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqc...

LOL nope just sickened by your snot nose drivel

crazytrain — September 29, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqc...

Grumpy slept in! Here ya GO!

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mitt Romney Used His Private Foundation To Build Conservative Cred**

Mitt Romney's record of charitable giving reflects more than generosity. For a Republican presidential nominee who has struggled to be seen as right-wing enough for the GOP, he has deployed the right checks to the right places to help build his conservative credibility. And while many of those donations are not controversial, others have included checks to the religious right and an established anti-gay group.

read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/mitt-romney-private-foundation-conservative-_n_1923389.html

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 10:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Moderator Announces Topics for the First Presidential Debate

TOPICS FOR FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE ANNOUNCED BY MODERATOR

Jim Lehrer, moderator of the first 2012 presidential debate, has selected the topics for that debate, which is on domestic policy. Mr. Lehrer stated:

Subject to possible changes because of news developments, here are the topics for the October 3 debate, not necessarily to be brought up in this order:

The Economy - I

The Economy - II

The Economy - III

Health Care

The Role of Government

Governing

http://www.debates.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid;=41&cntnt01origid;=15&cntnt01detailtemplate;=newspage&cntnt01returnid;=80

nailingit — September 29, 2012 at 10:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well I'll be... Hell hath frozen! The Conservative Columbian endorses I-502. I shall mark this day and preserve the calender page.

Drift — September 30, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 30, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.

Legalization of marijuana is the conservative thing to do. In gonzales v. raich, the dissenting opinion(those that felt the current law was unconstitutional) was from conservatives Rehnquist,O'Connor and Thomas. The liberal justice were united in their support of federal marijuana prohibition. The 75th Congress, which passed the original marijuana prohibition in 1937, only had 88 republicans in the house and 18 in the Senate. George Shultz, conservative Secretary of State under Reagan, called for ending drug prohibition over twenty years ago. Ron Paul,who is rated the most conservative member of Congress has been introducing legislation to legalize it for thirty years.

frobert — September 30, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ryan has been the Republican vice presidential nominee for nearly three months, and has still not found the time to explain how a Romney administration would fund its tax plan of 20 percent deductions across the board. Perhaps that is because if he did, voters would balk at the cuts that would need to occur in programs like Medicare for the plan to remain revenue neutral.

Ryan’s refusal to talk specifics only lends further credibility to the various studies and reports that have found time to do the math. And as ThinkProgress has reported, those studies from non-partisan organizations show that the Romney/Ryan tax plan would actually result in a huge tax cut for the wealthiest Americans. And the only way to keep it revenue neutral is to balance their plan on the backs of middle class families, who would see a tax increase of more than $2,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v;=PM66-SxHDu0

hawkeye — September 30, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift: The Seattle Times endorsed I 502, also, as it did the preservation of marriage equality.

I cannot speak for The Columbian (I don't think it is necessarily left or right-leaning), but the Seattle Times "mainlines" Rob McKenna (as the Seattle Stranger's Goldy asserts).

I know the ST just reduced its staff again so maybe, just maybe, its endorsement of these popular positions is a not-so-veiled attempt to lure new readers and retain others?

Its editorial board, often reamed out by the aforementioned Stranger, has introduced a cute "I Do" campaign for marriage equality.

manthou — September 30, 2012 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert: I like it when conservatives and progressives find something to get behind together and I 502 is just that win-win proposition.

It would be nice to find more issues upon which we can rally as one.

A police officer I know says something like this: "I never had a domestic violence call due to marijuana use."

manthou — September 30, 2012 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 30, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.

I just read the part of 502 covering regulation and taxation of production, processing and retail operations.

With the amount of documentation involved, I wouldn't go anywhere near this as a business. Eric Holder can say anything he wants - you're providing everything the Feds need to bust you and make it stick. Or will WA State refuse to honor a federal subpoena?

Another thing that got my attention is the fees - in particular $250 application and $1000 license fee for each grow site. Hmmm... I didn't see it, but will they limit the number of plants at each site?

Also, the State hits each step with a 25% excise tax. I'm curious about the actual costs each step of the way, and whether we'd see any real marketplace competition or whether they'll get together and agree on the highest price possible. I'm sure the State will prefer the latter.

Does 502 eliminate the medical marijuana grower - the one growing for free for medical marijuana card holders (or however that works)? I didn't see this covered.

I checked - there are a few websites where one can buy seeds. Something tells me this would be the way to go - just keep it a small time operation and don't get greedy. The penalties are pretty hefty, but I figure they'd have to create a whole new agency to track this - the police aren't going to have the manpower or time to track everyone involved in this.

roger — September 30, 2012 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

Last I saw, McKenna was against 502. I haven't seen Inslee's position (though I haven't really looked - this isn't something that will dictate which one I vote for).

roger — September 30, 2012 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift --- I'd put up a lawn sign. Do you know a local contact?

langenthal — September 30, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Clark County has the highest unemployment rate of any metropolitan area in the State, coming in at nearly 11%. Things are expected to get even worse once federal unemployment extensions expire in January.

Something in the article of interest is that the higher rate is partly blamed on the higher job loss rate for those who commuted to Oregon. Yet the article also notes the rest of the Portland has recovered much better than we have - the area as a whole is sitting at about 8.1% (per another recent Oregonian article). I wonder what's going on with this? CRC proponents like to say we're part of the greater Portland area - this statistic would seem to say otherwise.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2012/09/one_in_10_unemployed_in_clark.html

roger — September 30, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The midwest drought has led to an increased cost of feed for pig farmers, which is resulting in them downsizing their operations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/bacon-shortage_n_1920575.html?utm_hp_ref=food

"That's driven the cost of the total feed required to raise a pig to the standard market size of 200 pounds as high as $175. Meanwhile, the commodity price of a hog carcass has been fluctuating between $120 and $150 per 200-pounder. That's led some hog farmers to sell their livestock at a loss of up to $50 a head."

This is serious - we lose our bacon, but does Congress lose their pork??? I'll bet it's Pres Obama's fault.

roger — September 30, 2012 at 11:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 30, 2012 at 10:24 a.m

Both of them insist it should not pass and will not pass therefore it is not a topic for discussion. On the other hand both candidates for Attorney General say they will defend the will of the people on 502.

frobert — September 30, 2012 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't know all the in's & outs of I 502 but I think it's a good thing. Not perfect, but it sends a message to the Fed. Until pot is rescheduled/decriminalized at the Fed level it's always going to be problematic.

Even though Obama's justice department has been tough on dispensaries, a better chance stands of decriminalization under another Obama term. No way Romney will effect positive change, and Obama won't have to worry about the political optics of legalizing pot in his second term.

I just got home and watching Meet The Press. I noticed Ralph Reed is on the discussion panel! Why/what gives this guy the creds to appear on this show unless Gregory will get tough which I'm guessing he won't due to the roundtable format & Gregory's milktoast punditry. Reed is an embarrassment to a sincere evangelical movement (if such a thing exists nowadays) and an afront to anyone that gives a crap about ethics.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.

Obama is no more likely to follow the will of the people and reschedule marijuana than Romney. The only difference is that conservative Justices are more likely to uphold States rights.

frobert — September 30, 2012 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mixed feelings about local papers endorsing political candidates or issues. I know it's popular and has been done forever, but it opens the door for skewed/corrupted agenda driven narratives. Why not give the facts and let the voters decide without offering biased opinion in which the owner always has the last word. There might be a few who are undecided and side with local papers come voting time, regardless of the issue at hand. Thinking for ones self is becoming outdated, so says this liberal progressive. Just sayin'.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- *Obama is no more likely to follow the will of the people and reschedule marijuana than Romney.

I disagree for the reason mentioned. He won't have to worry about the political optics/fallout for doing so. The more states who come on board, the more it displays the will of the people.

When laws vary state to state in such a radical way, from gun laws, drug laws, abortion needs etc. it places the onus upon the individual to study each states laws even when passing through. Some things need to be universal when it comes to all 50. Drug laws are one of them. Much different than setting rules like speed limits, right to work etc. as the penalties can be devastating.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 11:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye @ 9:37- His excuse to Wallace was he "didn't have time" to explain it. Someone needs to corner him and pursue his bogus line of reasoning and allow him all the time in the world to explain. After unrelenting pressure no doubt he would would flee the interview. What a scam!

I hope Romney is pressed for details during the debate. Really pressed. This debate is the one focused on these issues.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 12:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 11:47 a.m.

With polls showing 56% of the population in favor of at least decriminalization, how would doing so hurt Obama? He is actually hurting his campaign by opposing a sensible drug policy.

Our country is founded on a principle of dual sovereignty, laws differ from state to state and citizens are free to move to a state that more suits their wants and needs. Having a strong central and a weak state government is the key to fascism.

frobert — September 30, 2012 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


In his own words: how David Corn obtained the 47% video in my link below.

An attorney friend of mine keeps insisting that whomever videotaped Mr. Romney, did so illegally. Will there be an investigation and prosecution?

Nailingit: I would prefer newspapers not endorse candidates, either. There was a great commentary recently in the WaPo that decries the increase in opinion in print journalism. When I really want to make up my own mind, I still look at the CS Monitor for news.

Here is David Corn's account for those who might be interested:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_wright_show/2012/09/29/david_corn_on_romney_s_47_video.html

manthou — September 30, 2012 at 1:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 30, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.

"An attorney friend of mine keeps insisting that whomever videotaped Mr. Romney, did so illegally. Will there be an investigation and prosecution?"

Interesting point, it would depend on the wire tapping laws in the state it happened. It was not a public gathering, so taping it in Maine(which only requires the consent of one party) would be perfectly legal, in Washington(which requires the consent of all parties) it should be illegal.

This is just the understanding of laws of states I have lived in, I am not a lawyer.

frobert — September 30, 2012 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert/manthou- I know back in the day living in Vegas it was legal to tape someone without their knowledge. Although legal, it wasn't permitted to be introduced into a court of law as evidence, but a judge could defer to hear it in chambers and weigh it at his/her discretion. Laws vary state to state as do penalties.

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frobert- I would call what some states are doing with regards to legal abortion/voting rights/etc. fascist. Kansas would be a good example with abortion. One party rule enacting legislation requiring onerous restricting guidelines for clinics who provide this service. Sidestepping Fed law and putting impossible needless conditions/expenses with impossible timelines on existing clinics who provide this service, knowing they won't be able to comply, pushed by a religious right agenda. Some freedoms shouldn't be subjected to state law as local politico's can't be trusted many times. One of the underpinnings of a free society I suppose, but in some cases "freedom" run amok.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


5:00 pm OPB - Channel 10 on Comcast

6:00 pm KCTS - Channel 26 on Comcast

"Moyers & Company" ALEC Documentary

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Bill Moyers will be examining the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) this weekend on his weekly television show "Moyers & Company." The show entitled "The United States of ALEC" will highlight the work of the Madison-based Center for Media and Democracy and its many allies in the effort to expose ALEC's inner workings. In July 2011, CMD launched its award winning "ALEC Exposed" project analyzing over 800 ALEC "model" bills and documenting over 1000 politicians and more than 700 companies that have been part of ALEC. On the same day, our partners at The Nation magazine launched a cover story and a package of articles by experts with additional analysis of ALEC's agenda.

ALEC brings together major American corporations and right-wing legislators to craft and vote on "model" bills behind closed doors. These bills include extreme gun laws, like ratifying Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, as well as pre-approving union-busting legislation, Arizona style anti-immigrant legislation and voter suppression laws that have sparked lawsuits across the nation. The bills are later introduced in state houses across the nation with no mention of their ALEC roots or the role global corporations had in voting on them or crafting them.
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http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/09/11769/moyers-company-alec-documentary-launches-weekend

langenthal — September 30, 2012 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks much for the info langenthal. Most likely won't watch it tonight but will set the DVR.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright criticized Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney Sunday, calling him "two-dimensional." "He is so two-dimensional. I mean, up close and personal, there's just nothing going on."

Ouch!!! Sounds to me like Maddie says Mitt has the personality of a rock.

roger — September 30, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- A rock or a pink slip. I remember ace P.I. Frank Cannon once told someone they had the personality of a grapefruit. I've used it several times through the years.

Just had an idea if anyone is interested. Would anyone be game for commenting on the forum in real time during the debates?

It'd be like tweeting without the twitter. :)

First debate this Wednesday @ 6:00.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 6:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Ironic!**

**GOP voter form scandal spreads**

Suspicious registration forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties

Problematic voter forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties, reported the New York Times Sunday. The forms are linked to Strategic Alliance Consulting, a group that was hired by the state Republican Party to sign up new voters, but was fired last week as reports of suspicious forms first surfaced in numerous Florida counties.

The Times reports:

The Florida Division of Elections has forwarded the reports of possible fraud to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for investigation. Prosecutors in some affected counties are also investigating. It is unclear how many forms have been forwarded, in all: in Palm Beach County, the election supervisor found 106 suspicious forms, but the number in several other counties is far lower…

… Election supervisors said they have come across forms with handwriting that did not match previous registration forms, bogus addresses and other identifiers like driver’s license numbers that appeared to be invalid. But in other cases, the forms were just incomplete, which does not constitute fraud.

Strategic Alliance is owned by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. Sproul’s 2004 voter registration project was investigated by the Justice Department and the attorneys general in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon as claims of fraud emerged, but no charges were brought. As Brad Friedman noted on his Brad Blog last week, despite Sproul’s checkered past, Mitt Romney’s campaign hired him as a political consultant late last year.

Friedman also noted that the voter form scandal, along with the recent revelation of a video showing a GOP voter registration worker screening out Democrats, is far worse than the claims made against ACORN over fraudulent voter registration in the past. Even before the latest news of suspicious voter forms, Friedman noted:

read more @

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/30/gop_voter_form_scandal_spreads/

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> Chavez to Obama: I'd vote for you, and you for me
http://news.yahoo.com/chavez-obama-id-vote-173530973.html

Gee, no kidding. You are who you run with.

kn_dalai — September 30, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- I wondered who would run with that. I didn't think it would be you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifc5Rq...

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe it's because he realizes Obama doesn't trump up fear and conspiracy theories against his country like so many on the right tend to do. As in the article you referenced...

[Chavez] "After our triumph and the supposed, probable triumph of President Obama, with the extreme right defeated here and there, I hope we could start a new period of normal relations with the United States," he said.

"Obama recently said something very rational and fair ... that Venezuela is no threat to the interests of the United States," he added.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.

You may want to look into the reason(s) for the creation of the electoral college.

kn_dalai — September 30, 2012 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit at 6:30 PM: What a great idea! I will log on during the first debate just to see who else shows up.

Might be fun!

manthou — September 30, 2012 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> Maybe it's because he realizes Obama doesn't trump up fear and conspiracy theories against his country like so many on the right tend to do. As in the article you referenced... nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.

Naw. I think it has a lot more to do with collectivism through government. You are aware of Chavez' close relationship with F. Castro? And you are aware of Castro's ideology? You are aware of Castro's former parters, which all fell apart.

BTW, the article I cited was Reuters. the British equivilent of the American AP or the French AFP. Just don't confuse this with your Leftist rags.

Just what do you think of the electoral college? For the two reasons alluded to above: I think it's peachy keen, no matter who wins.

kn_dalai — September 30, 2012 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- Not so sure the "tyranny of majority" reasoning brings much to the table in today's America, given the scope of diversity and magnitude of citizenry. I'm sure you are much more well schooled in this area than I. But it seems on this point anyway, given the premise, if the constitution was formed today this wouldn't be as much of a concern.

I'm sure as with most things, given I'm a hopeless liberal progressive with utopian tendencies, I'm missing something.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Sounds cool! It'd be nice to have a spectrum of electorate participate. Right, left, middle and others. Maybe woosker and a few that don't post that often can get involved.

I like to think by and large basement dwellers don't take themselves too seriously. With that premise in mind, the discussion could be called...Tweet with a Twit! :)))

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- Huff Po covered it [Chavez comment] on their site also without bias. As with any half way credible site, credibility is determined within the content of the article. I'm sure even Fox News cut and pastes AP and others at times and gets it correct.

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 9 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So I guess those commenting would be a twit with a tweet!

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.

Have no idea at all what your first paragraph refers to.

Finally, can someone explain this term "liberal progressive".

How's about breaking them apart and explaining them seperately.

Conservative and Liberal have no common benchmark from which to start. It's always been a peeve of mine.

kn_dalai — September 30, 2012 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


k_nd- One could wax historical and delve into the semantics of what constitutes a liberal or progressive, but to what end?

From the archives of lian tigni to the writings of Orestes Brownson, does the sea shine after the sun sets?

nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> k_nd- One could wax historical and delve into the semantics of what constitutes a liberal or progressive, but to what end? .. nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.

WHAT? It should have nothing at all to do with semantics. It is all about the purpose of government. And one's relation to government.

My Gawd. Euphemisms and more euphemisms.

kn_dalai — September 30, 2012 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's all about semantics. Understanding the very meaning of said word. It's part of that higher thinking stuff. Even more so on a keyboard without nuanced characters. Could be wrong, I don't know. I for an eye? Eye don't no. Semantics.

i.e. (A) Do you have a moment?- Understanding someone is requesting your time.

i.ee. (AA) Do you have a moment?- Searching your pockets for an unexplained whatever called a moment.

i.eee.(AAA) Waiting for a tow.

You say potato I say..... Again, semantics. But yet not another vegetable, at the same time different.

I could be wrong. But isn't wrong semantical by definition? I don't know.

nailingit — October 1, 2012 at 12:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 30, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.

You make a really good point about endorsements. Honestly, were I to run for office (or should I say when) I would reject any public endorsement from any entity. I see it should work that a candidate offers their credentials and ideas, and let the voters decide. I hate the idea that a voter lets the opinion of others decide how they will vote.

danabwoodley — October 1, 2012 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — October 1, 2012 at 12:58 a.m

You have gotten into the philosophy of language. I.e. the interpretation and meaning of words. However, if there is no common understanding of the words, then language has no usefulness. I have always thought the words “Liberal” and “Conservative” have no benchmark, and are often thought of differently by different people and by different societies and are better described as “Libertarian” and “Collectivist” usually referred to as Socialist. In terms of government, in my own case…I think Libertarian first, and then Collectivist second. Usually a distant second, but I can well see the need for government in all manner of things. Including as a safety net.

Then there are Euphemisms.

Seperately:

> Honestly, were I to run for office (or should I say when)...danabwoodley — October 1, 2012 at 6:28 a.m.

Interesting.

While I like your idea about endorsements, I think you’ll run into the cold hard facts when you get a little older and run for an office. It’s pretty much a given,e.g. who the NEA will endorse in any given race, for whatever that migh be worth. And it does suggest an alignment of outlooks. There are reasons why factions unite. Birds of a feather. In my own example of Chavez, Obama has no control over what someone else says. On its own, I would take it with a grain of salt. But then again...

kn_dalai — October 1, 2012 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


i*f there is no common understanding of the words, then language has no usefulness*

Exactly!

*In terms of government, in my own case…I think Libertarian first, and then Collectivist second. **R** **E** **D** **A** **C** **T** **E** **D,** but I can well see the need for government in all manner of things. Including as a safety net.*

knd- With a little editing you sound a bit reasonable. Is it true?

nailingit — October 1, 2012 at 12:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> Exactly! -- nailingit — October 1, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.

A nice way, once again, of saying absolutely nothing at all. How does this relate to you telling us all what "liberal progressive" is. Hmmm?

Redacted? Explain yourself Borg.

What do you think of the electoral college?

kn_dalai — October 1, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails and Manthou,

I'm really not expecting too much from these debates - especially the first one with Jim Lehrer as moderator (so boring) and a focus on domestic policy. First off, we won't learn anything new; it will be the same old generalized attacks with little detail on how things can be done better. Maybe we'll get lucky and Lehrer will bring up Keystone XL, or something else economics based. But I've got a feeling the focus will go to social issues like women's right to choice and gay marriage.

Another thing is that Pres Obama is a skilled speaker and debater, while Romney - if the Repub primaries is his norm - is barely average. I suspect Obama's team wants him to stay on the attack - press and try to get Romney off script and hope he says something dumb.

Candy Crowley is moderator for the next one, but it will be a town hall with the questions from the crowd. I'd rather see her with the first one - I try to catch her show because she doesn't play favorites - she'll cut through the BS and ask questions that force one to the meat of an issue.

roger — October 1, 2012 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*A nice way, once again, of saying absolutely nothing at all.*

My point once again, also goes to original intent.

*How does this relate to you telling us all what "liberal progressive" is. Hmmm?*

It doesn't.

*Redacted?*

*Usually a distant second.*

*Explain yourself Borg.*

?

*What do you think of the electoral college?*

It's okay I suppose...you?

knd- With a little editing you sound a bit reasonable. Is it true?

nailingit — October 1, 2012 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I think Lehrer does a good job and think Crowley is a poor choice for the opposite in your reasoning. Just sayin'. Looking forward to the Town Hall format.

If Lehrer insists on specifics, and keeps on insisting it could be a deal breaker. A month to go for Romney to dodge specifics. Time to ramp it up,

nailingit — October 1, 2012 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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