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Lou....Lou Brancaccio....are you out there???

I just wanted to say, I'm impressed with the job your reporters are doing with the Big Divide. I accept your poll results and would also like to emphasize there's still 7 who were unsure or unwilling to accept or deny the thought of light rail. Also, I'm glad the article stipulated the reminder that there's a 5% error which could go in either direction.

I believe that most Clark County residents would agree to replacing the bridge. I know I would...and the video says it all that the big hold up is most definitely the light rail component, followed by an entire lower deck expressly for the use of bicyclists and pedestrians.

Your writers are doing an excellent job on this one, sir. For that, I thank you and especially, I thank Eric Florip and everyone else involved in this series this week. I'll be staying tuned.

Keep up the good work and continue down the path of neutrality in news reporting. THIS is what WE expect out of our community news reporting agency (speaking on my family's behalf and assuming the minds of many others in the county).

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**More thoughts for the week!**

Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion

"...we are reducing taxes on production, investing money in the economy. We are optimizing state expenses.

The second possible mistake would be excessive interference into the economic life of the country and the absolute faith into the all-mightiness of the state.

There are no grounds to suggest that by putting the responsibility over to the state, one can achieve better results.

Unreasonable expansion of the budget deficit, accumulation of the national debt - are as destructive as an adventurous stock market game.

During the time of the Soviet Union the role of the state in economy was made absolute, which eventually lead to the total non-competitiveness of the economy. That lesson cost us very dearly. I am sure no one would want history to repeat itself."

President Vladimir Putin could never have imagined anyone so ignorant or so willing to destroy their people like Obama much less seeing millions vote for someone like Obama. They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda.

For all of the article and the rest of what Putin had to say:

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/his

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Anyone know where to look for the CRC Poll results?

For gosh sakes even Dave peered out from the closet to inquire of this.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holyc...we aren't your "basement undesirables." That is, unless you consider yourself as an "undesirable" as well...8)

Regarding your "barge" theory...it might not work. You could be talking about deep-water dredging...something that might not be an option. Also...you might check into the type of "barges" used to move the rigging they maneuvered under the lift spans last year. They might already be using something similar to what you refer. Check it out then give the report if you are so inclined.

It is obvious, the main issue with the C-River and shipping traffic lies with the railroad bridge. If that was redone rather than the I-5 bridges, 90% of barge traffic would never need bridge lifts.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.

Glad I sold mine when it was still up there. It wasn't much, but that's okay. It's still too expensive per troy ounce. Looks like it's a good time to stock up on some silver, though. $23 an ounce is a good price. Guess I'll start monitoring it.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


jasonb- Just wondering about your source. We don't get too many articles published by a active Communists.

Are you Communist? If not, why would you trust this Russian propagandist communist publication as a source?

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holyC- Beck's Goldline was being investigated for criminal wrongdoing last I heard.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice ride HC.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — A couple comments to clarify to you since you tried to say I had a screw loose last night in your personal attack which again, I believe was unwarranted. I wasn't attacking you with your inability to put your photo of your ride on the avatar. I'd made suggestions. It's obvious you have issues with the internet and was sharing tips which were obviously good tips. Guess you aren't aware that with certain photos, they do have a copyright on them, either by you or by another source. Did you know that anybody who posts photos on Facebook have turned over their rights to their own photos till they remove them from their FB page??? And yes, watermarks are taboo. So before you start accusing me of something, why don't you ask why I said what I did, sir.

Regarding Portland...for a man such as yourself, yeah...I could see where you could afford such contact but for a woman....nooooo way. Google "Graffiti Portland," click on "images" and you'll see just what the local "artisans" have been doing in your wonderful Portland. At least they keep the painting contractors in business. Then google "homeless Portland" and click on "images" and you'll see just what the city government is doing for the less fortunate...NOTHING!!! Never mind the thousands+ who need food to eat and wait at the missions in downtown...the hidden secret the City of Portland tries to keep from the public. I admit. Portland has a lot to offer, but it's what is happening throughout the city which tarnishes it.

Secondly, I'd made the statement of "undesirables" in a lighthearted sense. We're far from being undesirable because we're not afraid to post what's really on our minds, even if we're wrong on occasion.

Thirdly, thanks for posting your "ride" to frobert and for all to see. Nice flames on the tank.

One question for you from this person who is "illiterate" when it comes to rides like yours...

Where do you attach the license plate? Just wondering if you took it off for anonymity (which is a smart move) or if there's a different "spot" for it to go.

And finally...I could care less about Beck and Goldline. I buy because I want to buy. If I can get it cheaper, then it's good. Anybody who bought gold when it was over $700 a troy ounce...don't think it was the best investment. I choose not to play the stock market with what little investment dollars I have. Years ago before Beck was even on television, my brother who is a staunch Blue Dog recommended to me to start investing a little at a time. I listened to HIM, not GB.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oops...Holyc...for some reason I thought it was you who posted about Goldline. It was misdirected. I guess if I were talking to nailingit, I'd be sharing that comment with nailingit instead. My apology to you.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit- clear you didn't go to link and read.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 8 a.m.

...and to nailingit. Still I would no more deal with Goldline than the man in the moon.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting turn of events in the education world:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/state-dropping-ged-test-price-spikes-18951958

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 8:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just a reminder to those of you who post videos regularly...

It's crashing the forum for some. Any chance you could ease up on it this week??? Maybe make a few good selections (although most lately are enjoyable).

Just a suggestion.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*nailingit- clear you didn't go to link and read.*

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.

Yes, I did.

What is it you are trying to "make clear"?

Again...

Are you Communist? If not, why would you trust this Russian propagandist communist publication as a source?

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


HC, yes on Hillary. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

JasonB, you lost me when you purposely misspelled the President's name. It shows me that you really don't have anything to say, just more slander. Don't waste our time with this crap. If you want to post here, try for intelligent conversation.

hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola- take away the words *communist and communism* read the rest of what he had to say, I'd say it's right on.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Columbian: I have to agree with goldie. "The Great Divide" is one of the best series I have seen so far in my 10 years of following this newspaper. I hope this is your 2013 Pulitzer submission.

I may have to nominate it to the WA News Council (the only ombudsman-type non-profit of its kind left in the USA) for its "Tao of Journalism" award if Part 3 continues the excellence of the first two. It seems to me to be fair, accurate, and balanced journalism. Oh, how I miss that in most of what I seem to read in NW news.....

When some of your colleagues at The Seattle Times are milking the sensational cow at the expense of the public trust, you chose the other route in this story. Keep it up. I may have to re-subscribe.

manthou — April 15, 2013 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- wasn't I who misspelled it, that is how it appeared in the article of what putin said. so get off the high ground come back down where normal people are and stop the ASSuming.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou, there were a couple issues which might blow the "scientific poll." One being...how many of those polled actually commute to Portland and the other being...how many of those polled are registered voters?

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


jasonb- You post an article from a Russian Communist publication which claims, among other things, the President of the United States is a Communist.

But want to omit the Commun.....

:))

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.

Hey, if you can't back up what you post, then don't post it. That's the rule. And if you are repeating garbage by someone else, you need to reference it. Don't get up in my face with your name calling and innuendo, that doesn't fly here.

hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Anyone know where to look for the CRC Poll results?" --

Nails, If you look at the little disclaimer at the bottom of the articles each day, The Columbian is giving a very condensed version for free (facebook) and selling the full version. The poll has a margin of +/- 5%; they polled 400 people across the county based on populations. Stats are broken out by income level, where you live, and a few other things. Some results may be suspect - some areas that had the highest vote against the C-Tran funding initiative were actually in favor of the CRC. Overall, 46% in favor and 45% opposed. That opposed rate was much lower until they explained the project details to the "I don't know" crowd - then it shot up to being even. I addressed my concern with the results on the other side - over 75% of those polled said they'd divert to I205 to avoid tolls. How can people want something, but not want to pay for it? Oh - and something like 87% said they favored a vote on the project. A lot of the opposition to the CRC would disappear if we had our say and the voters approved the project.

roger — April 15, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't get up in my face with your name calling and innuendo, that doesn't fly here. hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 8:29 a.m

whoa dude, who let it fly in your oatmeal this morning? no where did I get in your face.
besides are you the rule maker here, web site manager, or whatever?
I referenced it, that article came from pravda, same pravada that others here have posted links too.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.

Give it up, the bike in the pic you posted doesn't even have a speedometer,a biker would have noticed that, you expect us to believe that it is your daily ride, and not some pic you got online? Afraid to show us your real ride? Let me guess, it's a Vespa.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou -

My problem with the articles is that they only go so far; sadly, I think the Campbell family's support for the project keeps the C from getting too far into the weeds. I'm thinking that's the reason Andrea left - she did a very good in depth look when the 95 foot issue gained public attention, but never got a chance to go anywhere near as far into digging up details as she's doing over at WW.

For example - The poll shows 46% for and 45% opposed. They also note that "More than three quarters" will divert to I205 to avoid tolls. Given the SR520/I90 tolling controversy, the logical follow up to this would be to ask "If the I205 bridge is also tolled, are you in favor of the CRC?" Something says those 'for' numbers will fall off drastically. But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that issue to be discussed or the question to show in one of the C's little polls.

roger — April 15, 2013 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wHnOx...

A paradoxical post?

My computer gets a little sluggish at times also. But let's not dumb down the forum because of it.

Some don't like the vids because they tend to display evil going on's n' rock n roll n' verified common sense opinions which fly in the face of conservatism n' such. I remember a complaint or two in the past about this. Of course not from you..but other. (another conspiracy?:)

Hell, I'd guess most conservatives are never exposed to much info this forum provides.

They sure don't get it on Fox or the Blaze website!

But anyway, I've got a Mac so this doesn't apply. For those with PC's here is some help to *clean up your act.*

(I suppose complaints to the C from 1 or 2 about vids will ensue, then again most likely they already have).

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


How can people want something, but not want to pay for it?

roger — April 15, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Think two wars and a 500 billion dollar prescription drug plan. It's ingrained in our society.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*same pravada that others here have posted links too.*

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.

Please provide your source. I don't remember anyone sourcing this Communist publication for anything. Except you today.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.

Let me explain, Show bikes(the kind you find pictures of on the internet) often have the speedometer removed, road bikes like Drifts and mine, have speedometers. Please give us some information on your bike, eg year, engine and carb.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal



roger: I very much appreciate reading your points at 8:47 am.

The poll results are an interesting measure of a sample's view on this divisive issue. I do not have the time to dig deep enough to be able to separate the "signal" from all the "noise." I am hungry for a balanced view of this project and I do see positives from both sides of the argument.

Andrea may have left for the reasons you theorize, for sure.

As for Scott Campbell: the newsroom in any credible paper is truly independent of the publisher's opinion. That line is breaking down in Orange County, CA, for sure, where the publisher killed a controversial story the newsroom wanted to print. The higher court supported the publisher.

The publisher at the Seattle Times loved Rob McKenna and the Seattle Times Co. purchased nearly $80,000 worth of McKenna ads, causing a huge ruckus in the newsroom. The political reporters believed their credibility was shot.

I am not aware of any such riff at the C, but us news consumers are often the last to know.

Let's keep the dialogue going on here, though. It has been very beneficial for me, at least, to consider all the reasoned opinion and fact shared here. When the emotion can get cleared away, it is easier for me to make an evidence-based decision and opinion of my own.

Right now, I am still back and forth about this thing. I'd rather move somedays, than stick around to see what this place will look like in 20 years with either scenario. It is not easy to say.

I might be looking at one of those "Slow Cities" I posted about yesterday in the state to our south. However, there is no Utopia.

manthou — April 15, 2013 at 9:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 15, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.

REALLY? That's you're concern? That it doesn't have a speedo? Give it up.

HC, I'm sure you like your scoot or you would change it but dang dude, those bars suck. I don't know how having your arms that high can be comfortable. But whatever. Isn't there a law on that like if your hands are higher than your heart or something like that?

hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


jasonb- Are you part of our Vancouver Russian population? If so feel welcome. At the same time expect Americans to denounce your propaganda postings.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A few of the more lighthearted RW conspiracy theories. I haven't posted a Maddow vid for awhile and felt obligated. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MvgL...

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.

In Washington the limit is 30 inches above the seat, some states use shoulder height and some states have no limitations.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit- propaganda postings? like your propaganda postings against christians, their beliefs and the repubs.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.

HACK? Really? HACK? OK, I'll let it slide.

So, the real reason for "apehangers" (since I've never had any myself) is to what? Keep your pits dry in the wind? LOL

All of my bikes (offroad) were race bikes and my on-road rides were stock, so no high bars. Never cared for them.

hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Understood if you don't want to answer some basics about spreading anti-American propaganda.

Let me ask it differently, yet the same.

Вы член коммунистической партии? Ваш Арнольд Шварценеггер, антиамериканские.

nailingit- propaganda postings? like your propaganda postings against christians, their beliefs and the repubs.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 10:37 a.m

Comments are at your fingertips. Please select the propaganda postings you speak of.

To repeat:

Are you Communist? If not, why would you trust this Russian propagandist communist publication as a source?

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:37 a.m

nailingit- *clear you didn't go to link and read.*

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.

Yes, I did.

What is it you are trying to "make clear"?

Again...

Are you Communist? If not, why would you trust this Russian propagandist communist publication as a source?

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.

*same pravada that others here have posted links too.*

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.

Please provide your source. I don't remember anyone sourcing this Communist publication for anything. Except you today.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.

jasonb- Are you part of our Vancouver Russian population? If so feel welcome. At the same time expect Americans to denounce your propaganda postings.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 10 a.m.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 11:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzxP6F...

:)))

America has our own pastimes. Having said that...

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit- typical of liberals skirting what other countries are saying.
draw attention off onto other areas, nice try.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


By the way, am I crazy or his FB comment from the front page disappeared?

holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.

You must be crazy, lol. He's still on there. It's the Poll Results article which has his comment.

BTW, I went back to the link you had for your motorcycle photo and it's no longer there. I wanted to see for myself what you guys were referring to. Guess I'll stick to the pics provided elsewhere.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit- typical of liberals skirting what other countries are saying. draw attention off onto other areas, nice try.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 11:58 a.m

Вы Stil отказаться отвечать на вопросы. Один может взять на себя вы коммунистической и, выступая от имени вы убеждений.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holyc...if polls were based on Facebook Likes, it would appear Madore's comment is a favored one. He's got 32 Likes thus far with his statement. I too believe the poll results should have been on the web page as well, but the C's out to make a buck from the people. They might as well...everyone else connected to the CRC planning and review is makin' a pretty sizable profit.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.

I see liberal racism and bigotry is alive and well.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Every time I see him playing golf, shooting a shotgun, drinking beer,*

God awful crimes holy C, it's almost enough to side with a Commie! :) BTW I'm guilty of all the above.

*demagoguing in front of crowds*

That would be his job holy. At least speaking, and as for interpretation...

*going to Hawaii*

I've been guilty of same a few times. Time to repent?

*sending his kids to private school or overseas*

No security issues with public school I guess. (;O) You're sounding like a Fox News wacko.

My kids have been overseas so I'm also guilty I suppose.

*wife included or going to award shows,*

And she uses her platform to message what holyC...or does she just go for the hell of it.

Now I know you've been drinking the Fox/Beck Kool-aid. Or just channeling bizarre thought. Did someone send you some material?

Why is this President held to a different standard that all others before him? Private school for his kids are out of line? Bush literally vacationed a third of his presidency...where were you then?.......................................

*he is a poor excuse of a man*

Really? This guy who pulled himself up from a broken family, worked hard, (I noticed you brought up the birther college transcripts message the other day) a minority, grew up with around some of the best weed in the world and still had the focus to become POTUS?

By your standard, what do you make of yourself?

*or a leader for our country.*

Matter of opinion. Sometimes I think you expect him to wave a magic wand. A welcome relief since Bush.

Look to the House. Understand what it's charge is, what it has done in the past, and what it has done since Obama took office. Look to unprecedented GOP House/Senate obstructionism. It's all bluster to think one man makes that big a difference. It's process. It's democracy.

*He is done as far as I am concerned.*

He will be after his eighth year in office.

*We we need to worry is about writing off our loses and try to find a leader that can help us get out of this mess.*

holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 12:03 p.m

Our choices were Mitt Romney, Michele Bachman, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Rick Perry and I'm sure I'm leaving one or two out.

Eight years of Bush before that. What leader are you looking to?

HolyC- It's one thing to criticize, it's another to side with communist/right wing propaganda about personal/policy insults directed at our president, just sayin'.

I'm not the biggest Obama fan and disagree with many things. But to just trash our presi....

man..

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.

I see liberal racism and bigotry is alive and well.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 12:38 p.m

If you have to reach that far with your trolling, have at it! LOL

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 12:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


speaking of motorcycles, mopeds, and vespas...I saw one of the "basement undesirables" today on my way to work. [link text][1]

[1]: http://liverpoolscooterclub.co.uk/images/Funny20Scooter201.jpg

andrecht — April 15, 2013 at 12:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just found out a few minutes ago that a relative of mine was in the Boston Marathon this morning. The race had finished and the family members had heard the bombs go off but were a safe distance away.

A scary end to a historic marathon for sure!

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


How's that hair twirlin?

Big sad story developing.

Boston Marathon Explosion: Headquarters On Lockdown Following Blast Near Race Finish Line (LIVE UPDATES)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/15/boston-marathon-explosion_n_3086665.html

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HC

I think it is past time for a woman to be president. But this particular person comes with toooo much "Bagga" both personal and professionally. She has such a dark side and the way she has handeld almost every issue which has led to an Inquiry raises even more specualtion. Me personally thinks she is current establishment trash...

Now Conde Rice on the other hand lends the type of moral background with an head on her shoulders. I'm sure there are others. As for Obama, He has certainly been a dissapointment from what he says he is going to do versus actaully doing what he says he is going to do.. In other words a DO NOTHING president. He will have created and left us in a much worse place after he leaves office than we he came in, in many varying ways. I'm disapointed in that so many Americans drink his cool aid. I guess some of them just belive and others are just ill informed lemmings

vanwadreamer — April 15, 2013 at 12:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Two makeshift bombs loaded with ball bearings, timed to go off within seconds of each other, at the finish line. They went off at about the four hour mark - when all the top runners would be gone, but the largest group of "normal" runners would be finishing and milling around congratulating each other, etc. Many injuries - at least one person lost a leg. No news on deaths yet. Time to start monitoring to see if anyone takes credit.

Motorcycles and bridge projects ought to take a break for a day or so. (In my opinion, of course.)

roger — April 15, 2013 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I second that, Roger. It's definitely a situation we need to take seriously. Who in their right mind would do such a thing...I just cannot fathom the mentality of these people.

Also...they're reporting 2 deaths.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HolyC- I understand if you think he's incompetent. But to buy into this RW vitriol is nonsense, (c'mon, his wife & kids now?)

A possible connection? Who knows, but a possibility that I'm sure will be pursued.

**Boston Marathon Mile Marker 26 Dedicated To Newtown Shooting Victims**

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/11/boston-marathon-mile-marker-26-dedicated-to-newtown-shooting-victims/

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — April 15, 2013 at 12:59 p.m

Come on vanwa, it wouldn't matter if it was Mother Theresa, to you, if they had a D after their name, you wouldn't like them or vote for them. If Connie rice was a Demo, you'd hate her too.

hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wolf Blitzer is busy speculating this was the work of some sort of anti-tax group. He's pissing a lot of Tea Party oriented types off.

Two bombs went off, Boston PD set off a third one, and they have two more they found unexploded and being analyzed. I've done a brief check of international news sources - no speculation being done there. A couple of the Muslim sources are going "please don't be al Qaeda."

roger — April 15, 2013 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

That is not true. I would vote for any "Competent" person Dem or Rep if I thought there views and messages struck a positive cord with me. I told you already I would have voted for Hillary if she had been nominated over Obama but that didn't happen. I knew Bill would have been in the background pushing the foriegn policy buttons Obama can't do. And She would have been able to reach out to Rep and bring the nation closer with "Wild Bills" help and coat strings.. Nothing wrong with that...She ould have made a much better presdient IMHO... Food for thought NAIL... Hate is a big word. I don't hate Obama, I just saw through him the very first time he spoke he was nothing more than a condensending Politician and he hasn't proved wrong since taking office, has he???

vanwadreamer — April 15, 2013 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There are several reports floating of someone videotaped walking through the finish line area with multiple backpacks. The counter argument to this is that they're in the vicinity of a university; backpacks loaded with books, etc, are a common sight.

The New York Post is reporting Boston PD has a 20 year old Saudi National in custody at a local hospital - the paper is declaring he's a suspect. Kindly note this isn't verified elsewhere, and that this paper isn't known for reliability.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_suspect_guard_y2m8cJO29uC2PDGIjYBalO

roger — April 15, 2013 at 2:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And so much for putting politics aside. Numerous liberal websites have taken up blaming Boston on the DC Repubs because they won't confirm Pres Obama's latest choice to head BATF. I gather we're supposed to accept the organization is floating rudderless and clueless without a director. (Some might say they act that way when they do have one.)

Whatever.

roger — April 15, 2013 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 15, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.

Whenever tragedy strikes extreme political organizations often seize the opportunity to press their political agenda.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It is being reported that a third bomb went off in the location of the JFK Library in Boston. They are saying this was not one of the two detonated by the bomb squad. The world is on heightened alert status.

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Frobert @2:43pm...how true...how true!!! I had to turn off the television when it turned to politics.

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Roger, the NY Post is claiming 12 are dead from this. I haven't heard it anywhere else. I'm wondering just how credible the news is on this one...especially with all the political rhetoric. Sometimes, it's better just to put them on mute and read the ticker.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.

So citizens can be stopped and asked for their "papers"?

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 3:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.

Speculation on your part??? It's quite possible the Saudi National was here legally...if in fact that the person did it.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.*

*So citizens can be stopped and asked for their "papers"?*

*frobert — April 15, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.*

Like Nazi Germany???

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrapola, just what was it Obama said that made you decide he's a loser and that you're losing respect for the guy?? I thought he was being quite careful in what he said and he said what was necessary for him to say to the people.

What you should be alerted to is what the next step will be to the American people. The last major terror attack, we lost many freedoms. What is next?

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.

Point taken.

Not sure if the churches do the brain part...maybe they do to some but not all, but you DID leave out Big Pharma and Big Food.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 3:16 p.m

What did you want him to say? He put it the way it is.

GO, 2 dead 100 injured

hawkeye — April 15, 2013 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.

"Why would you be afraid to be asked for an ID unless you don't have it or are breaking the law?"

I will respond with the Fourth Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye...I have a feeling the casualty number is much higher. There's always those who don't report to a medical professional as well as those who don't notice the symptoms till much later or the next day. I also believe there will be some with PTSD as a result.

What truly turned my stomach was watching the initial blast and seeing the older runner fall to the ground. All indications showed the concussion of the blast did something to his brain and his legs suddenly stopped working. So sad.

I just found out my niece AND her husband had just finished the race about 5 minutes before. The same couple who was given the day off the day the jets hit the twin towers in '01. DANG...they should play the lottery!!! (just kidding about the lottery joke. I'm trying to make the discussion a bit lighter...maybe just for myself, lol.)

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Frobert, since 9/11...things have changed for us. You can thank the Patriot Act for that one. As I've told holyc...what will the next step will be to the American people. The last major terror attack, we lost many freedoms. What is next?

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WOW....!!! While everyone is concerned and preoccupied of the events at Boston, the State of Oregon House of Representatives just signed the bill which approved the use of drones for police surveillance — with a warrant or, in emergency circumstances, without a warrant.

http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-House-approves-law-enforcement-drone-bill-203103111.html

Makes you wonder just what those "emergency circumstances" will be. Guess I'll have to check out the bill.

goldenoldie — April 15, 2013 at 3:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.

We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Fascist dictatorship.

Absent martial law, suspects cannot be "shot on sight"

Militias are Constitutionally protected associations, they cannon be forced to justify their membership, and nobody can be forced to justify their "stance" on anything.

We are a Republic, the President is NOT our leader, he heads up the executive branch of government, with strict limitations on power.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit- ASSume all you want, doesn't make it so.
as far as answering your questions, ahahahaha like, ah naw
I don't have to answer your questions at all, and neither does anyone else for that fact. what I am, who I am is my business not yours.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.

"These are special times. We are under attack! Comprende? Attack on the homeland..."

Since I was old enough to read the news, some menace has always threatened our way of life, and if we would just voluntarily give up a few of our rights, everything would be alright. Well we have given up too many rights and it is time to enforce the Constitution.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 4:03 p.m.

Stopping me and asking for my "papers" absent reasonable suspicion is a violation of my Constitutional rights, see Terry v Ohio. We are not at war(declared) and these are not special circumstances. There were 9 terrorists bombings in the second half of 1969, this year isn't even close to "special circumstances". Today's bombings are a terrible crime, but they in no way justify suspending our Constitution.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 4:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

*blah blah blah...blah blah*

*blah blah, blah blah*

*blah blah, blah. blah blah*

vanwadreamer — April 15, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.

What up? Put down the sauce vanwa. That was hawk who posted to you. :)) Just giving you a hard time in the *blah* dept.

What's up anyway? I've meant to say I hope you have been feeling better. Good to see you post again.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*nailingit- typical of liberals skirting what other countries are saying. draw attention off onto other areas, nice try.*

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 11:58 a.m.

Just trolling? You've come on this forum posting and advocating a pro communist publication denouncing the POTUS in the worst way. You've chosen to act like a fool looking for a fight. No doubt there are other forums that will suit your needs better than this one. Although a few here would be your huckleberry, they're strung out RW's also.

*nailingit- ASSume all you want, doesn't make it so. as far as answering your questions, ahahahaha like, ah naw I don't have to answer your questions at all, and neither does anyone else for that fact. what I am, who I am is my business not yours.*

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.

Please don't engage me in a one sided conversation. Few are this childish at any age. You're taking this act a bit over the top.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit- ahahahaha you make me laugh, thanks for the chuckle.

I've been told there would be days and people like this.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"anybody that belongs to a militia, (1600 militias exist today) or organized armed groups ought to report immediately to the next army office and justify their stance and purpose."

HolyC - Would you like to consider that the Army doesn't want those people in the ranks? They all tend to have an agenda, and fail to accept that military service often requires one to put aside their personal beliefs.

roger — April 15, 2013 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.

These times of "turmoil" pale when compared to times our fathers endured, you might want to study up on the acts of domestic terrorism prior to the Civil War, or the acts of external terrorism prior to WW 1. The Bath unified school bombing in 1927 is still the worst case of mass murder in a school with almost twice as many dead as Sandyhook. We are always in times of "turmoil" and these are the times it is most important to stand by our Constitution. I can see your Libertarian values are unwavering.

I have to finish with a quote from Benjamin Franklin:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola- agreed, weak leaders in dc all around. they talk a good talk, but action is absent.
what we witnessed today in boston, will it be the only one or will we see more in other cities?
as you said, enough is enough, time to have a pres that will lead and make sure our people are safe.

jasonb — April 15, 2013 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm not thrilled with the idea of guarding our borders either. That's mostly code talk for guarding the southern border and keeping the Mexicans out. Personally, I'd rather they be allowed free access - We did take much of this country from them by force, after all. My own experience has been that given the chance to get a decent job and a home in a nice neighborhood that treats them like they belong, they make very good neighbors and friends.

And it's our own demand for the drugs that our government has outlawed which makes that illegal trade so lucrative and worth killing over.

roger — April 15, 2013 at 5:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lumpy (Clarence Rutherford) died today.

roger — April 15, 2013 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What's up holy? Cool minds prevail in times like these. Throwing crap against the wall is well, throwing crap against the wall.

You sound like you want a police state because of terrorist activities. Your dogging of Obama's response is senseless and without merit. You want him to jump to conclusions or exercise executive authority/powers without good intel and understanding? He's a joke costing lives? a lame duck "reacting" and not being proactive?

You sound like you have something personal with this guy. At least we know Bin Laden wasn't behind this attack.

A national I.D., or something is a conversation to be had.

Trouble is the religious nuts will scream anti-Christ and low info conservatives will yell government overreach. But then again, these people think having government safety standards is overreach.

Take a step back and let the smoke clear.

Your ranting about the border puts you in low info bagger territory, and for all we know this was home grown.

I like the fire you put into posting, but not when it's fallout from your head exploding. :)

Peace

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Lumpy (Clarence Rutherford) died today.*

roger — April 15, 2013 at 5:50 p.m.

He might have turned out to be the smartest of the bunch. They just don't make shows like Leave it to Beaver anymore.

Rest n Peace Lumpy.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Pres Obama -- "We still do not know who did this or why. And people shouldn’t jump to conclusions before we have all the facts. But make no mistake -- we will get to the bottom of this. And we will find out who did this; we'll find out why they did this. Any responsible individuals, any responsible groups will feel the full weight of justice."

roger — April 15, 2013 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 15, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.

You sound like you support a Fascist dictatorship, yet claim to be a Libertarian. The two are mutually exclusive you know? Or is liberty just me "hijacking" the term Libertarian.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HolyC- Here's an idea..

Let's blame the cowardly bastards who did this terrible thing and support our President and the powers that be in finding out who they are and bringing them to justice.

We used to pull together in times like these.

If we're going to point fingers, how about pointing them at the terrorists.

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit @ 7:08 p.m....well stated. I usually don't agree with you but this time I do. This thought came to mind when I read your statements *Ask not what your Country can do for you- ask what you can do for your Country* -JFK.

Some of you on here, how dare you put you're junk on for everyone to read. Very tasteless, distasteful, and flat out rude. DO you not have a heart for what happened today? My Thoughts and Prayers are out to those people in Boston and for the poor unfortunate souls on here.

mxfun118 — April 15, 2013 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks mxfun118. Just logged on to pretty much say the same.

Holy - cool it. You are advocating shoot-on-sight. Losing it there, man. Frobert is right - you are advocating for a fascist state. I suggest you take a look at NK; got one right there. I don't think so! Not in this country!!! You are getting too wild these days. Seems to happen every time you post under a new name.

Gold - glad you brought up that piece of ....of the Patriot Act. If people would just recognize that paper for what it really is.

luvithere — April 15, 2013 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


How would ID papers stopped Timothy McVeigh? 168 dead. How about the Wallstreet bombing? 38 dead. The Preparedness Day Bombing? 10 dead. The Bath School Bombing? 44 dead.

Sadly, there's probably a list somewhere of the bombings on American soil...done by Americans. ID papers most likely would have not altered, or prevented the histories.

jacjak — April 15, 2013 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**LUV**

unfortunately, the patriot act HAS brought down plots to do major terrorist acts...according to carefully-worded sources around the world.

anyway. while i have to admit we need it,it SHOULD **NOT** be the sole imperative of the prez. if we are to keep our 4th amendment freedom, we need to have a special group to vet requests. like a judge, the group would have power to grant 'enhanced investigative techniques.' the differences would be it's secret, contains constitutional scholars, military and 'other' covert sources. all of them should be vetted to the highest secret clearance we have.

fwiw.

DeeLittle — April 15, 2013 at 8:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That might be the case, so they say. You know, Dee, IF they would use a judge, would vet people, do what you say they should, then I might have less of a problem with it. As it stands, nope. They can rouse a judge out of bed for everything else, why not for wire tapping? Don't tell me they cant find a group of people willing.

luvithere — April 15, 2013 at 8:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Even the Koch brothers donated $20.000.000 to the ACLU to fight the Patriot Act. This law is anything but conservative.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Bill Iffrig, 78-Year Old Runner Knocked Down In Boston Explosion Photo, Got Up And Finished Race (VIDEO)**

EVERETT, Wash. -- A 78-year-old Washington state man running his third Boston Marathon was near the finish line when he was knocked down by one of two bomb blasts and caught in a news photograph that quickly went viral.

Bill Iffrig, of Lake Stevens, told The Herald of Everett that he heard a noise Monday and found himself on the ground.

"It was only 5 feet away from me," he said. "It was really loud."

He said he ended up with a scrape on his knee, and that a race official helped him to his feet.

Iffrig said most of the other runners near the area weren't as close to the explosion as he was. He walked across the finish line and another half-mile to his hotel. Iffrig said of his proximity to the explosion that it was a "close one" and the experience "scared" him.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/15/bill-iffrig-runner-boston-marathon-explosion_n_3088891.html

nailingit — April 15, 2013 at 9 p.m. ( | suggest removal


'There were 14,748 homicides in the United States in 2010, including non-negligent manslaughter.[39] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[40] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). "

Three were killed in Boston-a little perspective. What is the level of acceptance of slaughter in the US? 500 killings per year in Chicago? Were is the outrage for those murders? 26 murders at an elementary school in Sandy Hook? Even 3000 at the WTC is a drop in the bucket based on the annual toll. Where is the outrage for the daily, continual, ever present killing? Because most victims are non-white, we as a society seem OK with it. It's only when white folks eat it are we concerned.

And speaking of killing, the US controls almost 90% of the arms sales in the world. Where is the outrage there? Is it OK as long as others are dying? We are so used to violence and exposed to violence we seem to have a capacity to accept a very high level of iy, yet somehow feel surprised when it happens here. Kinda weird.

mrd — April 15, 2013 at 9:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 15, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.

What does arms sales have to do with it? Most countries with private ownership of weapons banned altogether have higher murder rates, and the second and third most armed publics have much lower murder rates. The main factor seems to be large cities not whether or not the public is armed. Large cities in Canada have for the most part just as high of murder rates as large cities in the United States, with a couple of exceptions. I have spent some time in cities in Canada, they not Utopian by any means.

frobert — April 15, 2013 at 11:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I never carry I.D. when I am not driving. Never have. Over the years I been stopped on the street and ask to show some. I say I don't have it on me and the next question always is 'why not?'

I tell them my name and either my SS# or my drivers license number. They try to tell me it's against the law to walk the streets without proper I.D. I tell them to give me a ticket and we shall see what the courts say. See, I'm just to damn old to give a rats butt anymore.

So far (48 years) not one ticket. You see the cops don't want to tie up the courts with a losing proposition. This is still America the last time I checked. The whole time, while growing up, I was led to believe in freedoms of the U.S. I still do, but when someone tells me I gotta carry I.D. all the time I basically tell the to stuff it.

Now if you are driving or doing some other thing that requires I.D. then by all means you had better have it on you. But just walking the streets is not a justification for it. JMO.

JohnCasey — April 16, 2013 at 6:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, my fellow forum follower...I know you're probably wondering why I'm posting to you since our mutual agreement, but I believe this is the time where we let bygones be bygones and share in hearty and healthy discussion. Yesterday in Boston was a grim reminder of why we must pull together as a nation and accept each others' differences, so you have the choice whether or not you would respond to my comments but I wanted to offer the flag of peace so to speak WITH the understanding that you and I have multiple discussion points with which we disagree, but I believe we also have a lot of similar discussion points of view.

I've been following your statements following the carnage at the Boston Marathon and I most definitely agree with your comment at 7:08 pm. Nobody has stepped in and admitted any fault and assumptions need to be curbed. People should wait to hear the facts. Nothing points this as an international event at this time and I believe the president has made the right decision to allow the FBI to investigate.

At 9 pm, you've pointed out the reports on the older gentleman for which I'd commented earlier in the afternoon. I'm relieved it was merely an issue of the concussive effects of the first explosion...but I'm saddened that three people have died and countless others were injured.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 5:18 a.m

Really, really liked the printed lyrics. Thanks for taking the time.

jacjak — April 16, 2013 at 6:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 5:18 a.m.

Nice response and so fitting.

@at 5:38 a.m.

Quite graphic but it puts the incident into perspective to overwhelmingly prove your point for which...I agree with your statement and that leads me to respond in kind to mrd and their comment @9:40 pm last night.

**mrd**...there is no level of acceptance. Nobody has accepted what has happened in Connecticut...nobody has accepted what is happening in Chicago and around the rest of the country (or the world for that matter) but the problem is...gun control will control those who rightfully protect ourselves, our families and our homes from those who have intentions of instilling terror in our fellow humans. The gun control will block the innocent. The criminals will continue with their carnage. Yes, careless handling of firearms has led to needless death...I'm not denying that but should we be rendered defenseless while the criminals get away with murder? Here's a question for you. Would you want our nation to instill a ban on all firearms, especially with radical extremists out to kill Americans running rampant globally? How would the American people defend ourselves against a global attack? You are aware that in times of war whether it be self-proclaimed or a declaration, people infiltrate your land and shoot and kill families and loved ones, right? What if something were to happen and they landed on American soil? They'd come into your home and your children's schools and shopping centers with orders to kill. How would you defend yourself? Would you rely on calling 911 in such an instance???

The local police would be overwhelmed. The National Guard is limited and the military will first protect the elected leadership. You must have something to protect yourself and your family, wouldn't you think??? What would YOU do?

Just something to think about.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


At 6:45 am, a caption on the Columbian News article ***"EDITOR'S NOTE: The big diVide postponed"***

Originally published April 16, 2013 at 6 a.m., updated April 15, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.

Amazing...do we have a fortune teller in our midst???

Lou, is this how the poll was run as well? Just wondering. The videos are top notch, but now I'm beginning to wonder about the telephone poll when errors by the newspaper editor are so...obvious.

(Gotta laugh...Captcha's first word was "Comprehensio."

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Man, let's not devaluate what happened with crazy conspiracies. This is what a few did after Newtown.

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 15, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.

Something to add...

Annual number of food related deaths in the US-5,000

On average in 2011, 89 people were killed on the roadways of the U.S. each day.

More than 17,000 aids related deaths each year.

Hundreds die each year walking along train tracks.

How you equate someone eating a back alley bullet 50 years ago to this 2013 Boston Marathon terrorist act is beyond me.

This was an act of terrorism on U.S. soil. We need to treat it as such. To make these types of comparisons marginalize this type act of imo.

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:05 a.m.

I'm gun shy.

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.

You're sounding reasonable this morning, is everything alright?

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.

And I would suggest you are having a rare moment of clarity.

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal



nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.

With the heightened thoughts regarding the Boston Marathon bombings, I felt compelled to send a good comment your way this morning, though. If you'd prefer to keep things the way they were before I posted my comment to you this morning, that's fine. I have no problems with it.

keine harten Gefühle

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just a thought---

Tax day... Boston...

Some anti-tax deranged freak, who knows.

hawkeye — April 16, 2013 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.

So that could mean one of two scenarios -

1) that is was someone who sympathizes with the extremists in the countries you mentioned

-or-

2) A disgruntled ex-military personnel member with a vendetta against society in general had witnessed those types of explosives.

Still...all speculation. Wait for the facts, then react. Wouldn't that be better in the long run???

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My honest thoughts about the Marathon Bombings...

It's some lunatic (or two) who is now getting the satisfaction of seeing what they have done to innocent lives for reasons only the lunatic(s) could explain. Hopefully, they will be caught.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:05 a.m.

Need a hug?

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.

With the heightened thoughts regarding the Boston Marathon bombings, I felt compelled to send a good comment your way this morning, though. If you'd prefer to keep things the way they were before I posted my comment to you this morning, that's fine. I have no problems with it.

keine harten Gefühle

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.

I appreciate your post. I'm a big believer in "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

But also in bygones be bygones.

あなたの提供をありがとうございます。 と、私がCool'm私はシャープなオブジェクトとポークししてください。

All in all,

Ειρήνης και καλής θέλησης.

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.

8)))

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrap-

Here's a couple so-so writes about what drives this issue.

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/civil-liberties/national-id-card/

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/friendly-future-national-id-card

I'm on the fence with National I.D., but again, I think it's a worthy conversation. Government already has everything and everyone on file anyway. You give up any right to privacy getting medical care, finding a job, any number of things as you stated. A card might streamline bureaucracy and at the same time assist law enforcement for senseless acts like this.

I don't buy the "it wouldn't have prevented such n' such" argument. Cherry picking is pointless. There are multiple layers, levels and people involved to bring most acts of terror to fruition.

I'm not a doomsday person, but I expect many more of these situations will happen in the future. I've been surprised more haven't. Let's not give the bastards what they want, which is to cripple American democracy and our right to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We already have a home grown terrorist group trying to do just that.

http://www.gop.com/

**;**)

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at noon ( | suggest removal


What a disappointment!!!

The live chat with Eric Florip and Aaron Corvin was very slow and appeared to be more of a PR campaign for Washington for CRC as well as well-choreographed statements by a woman who specializes in Marketing and Social Media Training.

And we're supposed to consider the Columbian as credible? Come on, now...

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As far as showing ID, just wait until you go to a doctor.
They are now requiring you to give them your driving license to copy for their "records". If no drivers license, they will take a picture.

ELISI — April 16, 2013 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.

You seem awfully misinformed or willfully misrepresenting the facts, Yes Ron Paul served in Congress for a long time, but he is also one of only two congressmen to refuse their retirement system, and one of a handful to refuse their medical coverage.

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 12:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Reference The Columbian's CRC poll - Andrea briefly covered it in the WWeek, but wasn't sounding too impressed. She made the observation that this was at odds with the LRT O&M; vote a few months ago, and then linked to a BlueOregon article that basicly says any poll conducted by Bob Moore's firm has to be taken with a grain of salt. They consider him a Republican party hack who will generate results that make Repub candidates look like they're more popular than they are, etc - That they should be considered more of a PR firm than real pollsters.

Hmmmm....

http://www.blueoregon.com/2012/02/gop-pollster-bob-moore-alive-and-well-fantasyland/

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-30039-poll_clark_county_evenly_split_on_columbia_river_c.html

roger — April 16, 2013 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great minds holycrap! I had copied same earlier for posting but got busy.

Sounds like fun and futures in Washington development! Curb inflation! I thought this to be tasty...

Once in a while (or more!) outdoor grown sounds great. Kick the feet up and grab the fishin' pole, pop a brewski and cast your line. A big ol' pineapple bud and cold beer. I'm making myself feel deprived.

From the article...

The fragrant, resin-filled flower tops of the cannabis plant are what users smoke, and this guy waves his huge flower tops around while grinning. One lumpy, pale green stick is as thick as a child’s arm—his outdoor grown Blue Dream, he says. A thick hub of people politely vye to get closer to his table.

Outdoor growers can specialize in rare, giant sativas that take too long to flower and grow too big to be economical indoors. This guy doesn’t disappoint, offering rare sativas like Pineapple Thai and a Super Mango he said reached 15 feet tall.

His cuts are extra-pungent, which indicates potency, and completely flocked in microscopic trichomes — shiny, translucent, external plant glands filled with weed’s main psychoactive ingredient, Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol.

nailingit — April 16, 2013 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.

Now you are just grasping at straws, first of all, do you really think his small stake in the worlds largest gold refiner allows him to set policy? Secondly, I don't even see Barrik Gold listed on anybodies top 100 polluters list.

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 2:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 2:43 p.m.

How does that article support your pollution claim? Or that the company is controlled by one minor investor? The article has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing, it is about a proposed project.

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.

You are basing your entire argument on a liberal caricature of Libertarianism. Ron Paul is opposed to our current system in which corporations pay the government for the right to pollute, and they are held harmless from suit from the victims of their pollution. He feels that corporations should be held responsible to those that they have wronged, through pollution, product liability or any other reason.

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 3:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.

What does his age or suitability for office have to do with our discussion?

"The funny part is that he wanted to go back to the gold standard for some....shall I say...vested interest?"

He believes in the gold standard and has encouraged people to invest in gold for years, your argument thatit is immoral to follow his own advice is idiotic.

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.

Fuming??? Hardly. If you've read the article, you'll find it's the Washington State House of Representatives revising their proposal. It still has to go through the State Senate which the House already knows, they're fighting a losing battle. Here's the last paragraph in the article:

*The $450 million provided for the CRC might face a challenge once the transportation tax package moves to the Washington Senate. Leaders within the Senate's conservative Majority Coalition Caucus have said they do not want to give money to the CRC project. That caucus controls the Senate by a thin 25-24 majority.*

It would be sad if we lost the chance to replace the bridge just because a select few claim we MUST HAVE light rail or no bridge. What we need is a functional, safe crossing for its original intended purposes....to safely move freight and motor vehicles across the river while allowing river traffic to move freely. With the current design, river traffic will be limited due to height restrictions.

It is a false statement by those who claim it is the number one stopping point on the I-5 Corridor...especially given the fact that the Rose Quarter and Terwillegar Curves are doing the very same thing as well as rush hour traffic in Seattle, San Francisco AND LA. This is and always has been about light rail. From day one, TriMet has tried to acquire the corridors stretching from Salem to Longview and Hillsboro to Troutdale.

Holyc., you have mentioned a similar distaste for large corporations who walk all over the little guy, stealing from the taxpayers and such....so what's different about TriMet/Metro??? They're inadvertently stealing from the people with Federal Bonds, state and local taxes, fees and other creative ways that Oregonians don't even realize yet you support their entity with gusto. In my book, that would be a mixed signal. The benefits do not outweigh the cost. Not by a long shot.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 3:57 p.m.

It has been your time to go how many times?

You seem to keep getting resurrected.

frobert — April 16, 2013 at 5:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.

Give me one example of TriMet providing incentives for individual riders. *Just* one.

You fail to understand you can't force a person onto light rail.

Regarding the barge...it has to be seaworthy. Not sure if the "dry dock" barge you speak of is capable of crossing the Columbia River Bar for the Pacific ocean.

And Holyc...I fight the beast in any capacity I possibly can...of course, within the legal limits of the law.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Holycrapola...did you hear that Portland Police had to close down the Steel Bridge during Rush Hour??? That includes light rail traffic...Yellow Line included. TriMet reports on their website for the riders to expect a system-wide delay due to this incident.

Bus Rapid Transit could have been diverted around their normal route and continued to their destination.

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.

Do you have any clue as to how heavy, how bulky the rigging is that Thompson hauls out of their factory and what type of weather they endure en route to the oil fields??? I'm not saying your idea wouldn't work. I'm not an expert in the dynamics of hydraulic barges but I'm sure if the idea was workable, they would've had it a long, long time ago.

Leading a horse to water doesn't mean he'll drink it. If the water is tainted, the horse will refuse it. The CRC currently is tainted. Get my point???

goldenoldie — April 16, 2013 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HolyC,

MAX is incapable of implementing your plan.

Each car has seating for 68 people, and each "train" has two cars. That's 136. Due to the way they routed everything across the Steel Bridge and through downtown, about the max number of runs for each line the system can handle is 6 per hour. 6x4x136 is 3264 people per hour. Given a morning rush hour of 6 to 9 (3 hours), The system can handle less than 10,000 people. Let's be generous and say people will tolerate being crammed into a standing room only situation and double that capacity to 20,000 people. There are 450,000 people commuting in the Portland area every day. Relying on MAX as a primary mode of transportation is pissing in the wind. There is one thing and one thing only that can move people around - the car.

There is one and only one city in the USA where people have decided rail is the best mode of travel - NYC. 41% use the subway, and another 2% commuter rail. The next closest is cars - 30% use personal cars or taxis. The bus, which was well used when I lived there in '67, carries a mere 12%.

We rely on cars, because we don't like living in apartments. Even most of that young crowd you're so enamored with live in houses outside the city core - hardly anyone actually lives downtown except for the rich (check those rents out!) and the homeless.

The fight against Metro and their MAX lines is growing - we're just the first. Clackamas County has joined the fight; they're not enamored with their bit of the Green line, and they're fighting the Orange. (Lake Oz got the streetcar project killed - It seems money does talk.) P'Townera continue to flock to the outer suburbs, to include Vancouver. And next on the horizon is that whole 99W corridor south to McMinnville - It seems like there's a new housing development every time I travel that road. Real estate types have that area pegged for the next growth boom in the area. They're going to want roads - not trains - to drive north to their jobs.

Metro's vision of cars disappearing as everyone learns the joys of riding LRT or their bicycles is a pipe dream concocted in the 1970s over a few bowls of Blond Lebanese. It's time to wake up.

roger — April 16, 2013 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie,

Seems someone left a toolbox near the bridge. It was reported at 4:20, and rail traffic stopped shortly thereafter. The bomb crew showed up, determined it harmless, and cleared the scene at 6:00. "Delays are expected for MAX and bus service in the area throughout the evening."

Gee - Just like the accident on the I205 bridge the other week. Except we can't start in with "Build that bridge with light rail!" this time, 'cause the only thing moving is our poor castigated cars. Hmmm... Do you think just maybe any of the pro-LRT crowd stuck to their principles and rode bikes or walked instead? Noooo - I bet they lowered their standards and rode the bus, with heads buried in their newspaper or book hoping no one recognizes them riding in that big old machine belching hydrocarbons and arsenic and etc etc into the atmosphere.

roger — April 16, 2013 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yep - Let's get busy building that rail!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64GHrP...

roger — April 16, 2013 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The idea of having ID on you all the time is not what I meant. When I go for a walk or a bicycle ride I am not required to carry ID. Anytime I go to any place that requires ID I take it with me. There are exceptions even then. I don't have to show ID at a doctors office (unless a health card is one) nor a movie theater. I buy booze and beer without ID. I guess I look old enough.

In fact the only time I have been asked for ID has been when I'm driving. Then I also have to provide them with my CWP at the same time. Oh and when I signed up my sister-in-law with DSHS. That was so I could be listed as her caregiver. Three times in ten years is not bad as some I know.

JohnCasey — April 16, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


But NYC is the only city in this country that actually subscribes to what Metro preaches. Not Chicago, Philly, DC, San Francisco or any of the others - Cars all rule there. And I see you don't dispute my numbers.

And I do get around. Maybe you haven't been paying close enough attention - even places like Germany, which has an excellent Strassebahn and train network that I used because it actually worked, is seeing an upswing in people driving their own cars.

There's something about being able to ride around in your own wheels, with your favorite tunes playing in the CD deck, that public transportation can't touch. What - you think that privilege should be reserved for the two wheeled crowd?

roger — April 16, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


John Casey - While I don't drink, I buy wines and some hard stuff for cooking. Always see that sign saying everyone gets carded, and always have my wallet in hand ready to pull my driver' license out. Haven't been asked for it yet either. Come to think of it, the only time a cop pulled me over here I didn't have to show my license either. I was still in uniform - turns out he also did time in the Army. We compared places we'd been, and he left me with a reminder I was no longer driving the autobahn and said to slow down at least to 70 rounding that bend at the Mill Plain exit heading north on the 205 - he'd hate for one of his partners to have to ticket me for going 85 or whatever he said I was going.

roger — April 16, 2013 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 6:11 p.m

That barge you wanted would be a very easy build. Even with my limited hydro-tech knowledge, I can pencil it out quite easily.

GO, why haven't they built it sooner, because they didn't have to.

hawkeye — April 16, 2013 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: The barge. I don't claim expertise, but I've played in the water a bit. A barge will have to be a certain size and weight to have the center of balance to handle a heavy load - especially if that load is high vs. low and compact - correct? (I've tipped many a makeshift raft learning this.) And the lower you put that weight in the water, the more power needed to move it - correct? (Try paddling a canoe 3/4 full of water - not any easy thing to do.) Much larger and more powerful engines would probably be required.

I suspect that a semi-submersible could be built to lower the barge in the water enough to get under the bridge, but that the trade off in stability makes something about the current size of a barge untenable. And if we increase the size and draft, then we have problems like Goldie mentioned with getting across sand bars, etc. (They could dredge the channel in the river, but I suspect there would be way too much opposition from the environmentalists and the fishermen to get this past the talking stage. But will this actually have a deeper draft than the ocean going ships that currently use the river?)

So, I think the real problem would be engine size required to move this barge when filled with water. And then a lot of unnecessary size and weight (and expense) for the rest of the time.

But this is still an interesting discussion anyhow. Consider that bridge lifts backing up traffic caused this whole CRC "problem" - there were a few late in the window lifts for commercial traffic that caused morning traffic backups, but the real problem was the sailboats with tall masts that couldn't get under when the river was high. If we're going to consider saying those companies should have barges that will cost many millions to build, why wasn't requiring sailboats to have masts that lowered and engines to move them when passing under the bridge an acceptable option?

roger — April 17, 2013 at 6:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 16, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.

You're right. A lot of cities use mass transportation and they expand it to match the growth of the city's needs. If you haven't noticed, Clark County has mass transportation. We have buses, C-Van for those who need a little extra help in their travel needs and we have Vanpool for those businesses who provide services for their employees. In addition, we have the Connector for those less populated areas with low ridership. There's also carpooling, holyc...and it works for our community.

If you've ridden in any C-Tran buses in the past several years, you will find the only time of day the buses are their fullest is during rush hour commutes and maybe a limited number of routes which end at Clark College before their busiest times of the day...usually within the hours of the morning commute. Otherwise, the buses are filled with empty seating arrangements.

Now...the argument about Bus Rapid Transit. I was reading yesterday where one man said he voted no on the taxes because of BRT. He didn't see the need to expand on the buses to articulated systems. Well, yes...he's right! At this time, there's no need to install articulated BRT vehicles just to reduce the crowding on buses during peak hour commutes. As far as I'm concerned, C-Tran would be best served by improving the corridors FOR routes like 4 & 44 and 37. Fourth Plain for example, could use more pull outs so that traffic could continue to flow freely. More pedestrian crossings like the ones in front of Clark College and on St. John's Road near SR 500 would be a good addition.

In the case of a dedicated lane on the bridges, that would be simple. The far right merging lane which would exit at Delta Park and vice versa would be more than sufficient for BRT vehicles, whether they be single or double in size. It makes sense, Holyc. The crossing project doesn't need an entire deck in order to support mass transit needs. It takes careful and skillful planning, not a pipe dream. The single lane for BRT could easily be one which starts AT a transit mall in downtown Vancouver or even at a parking space across from Clark College as the LRT supporters promote, with express access for the buses and high occupancy vehicles such as Vanpool, etc. The secondary merge lane onto the bridge would be for all other vehicles exiting from downtown and Camas. The merge lane for these vehicles could easily be redesigned so as not to cause the gridlock on HWY 14 which we see regularly.

I truly believe setting our community up for free flow over the bridge would be a positive attribute and would be LRT ready for future needs, should they become a reality. Right now, that's not a reality. The current ramps screw up the traffic.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 16, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.

And I don't think they ever will.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 17, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.

And those of us who have been actively following the CRC planning process know that if the railroad crossing were rebuilt with river traffic in mind, 90% of the bridge lifts would no longer be needed.

(funny...captcha's first word was "fact")

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 17, 2013 at 6:43 a.m.

You'd have to find the information regarding the underwater strata, location and environmental concerns before even remotely considering moving the company's assembly facility. That could be as far away as Longview...and that would defeat the purpose. We as a county WANT to keep our businesses here. Why would the local leaders want to further disable our economic structure by relocating companies outside our county in order to make things a bit more convenient for a few?

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And holyc...those who are in charge of the CRC planning have been cramming their special interest light rail for so long...it's ridiculous. They're like the three little monkeys when it comes to the opposition. It's not about the crossing in itself and improving freight and commuter transit. It's all about light rail and TriMet. Anybody who believes otherwise are just following the brainwash of the CRC planners.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Not as simple as you think, holyc. Give me one example of how an industrial site such as Thompson's Metalfab would provide what you say as less pollution, less noise and clean industry. If you're thinking of one of those "self sufficient, self reliant hotel communities with a space age design," it would be dead in the water before it starts...thanks in part to PDX and Pearson. There's height restrictions there as well. Besides, there's enough empty buildings in Clark County. They need filling up, first.

Why would you want to relocate companies which bring in millions, provide thousands of jobs with excellent wages and bennies...to another location 40-50 miles away? Do you want to kill Vancouver altogether???

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 7:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 17, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.

As far as the barge goes, you make it wider and it becomes more stable, as far as towing goes, you are going downstream so it goes with the flow. The only time it needs to be lowered is when it's going under the bridge. The rest of the time it's like towing any other barge. No extra effort is needed in towing or pushing. The only dredging that will have to be done is the area they are already dredging, in the channel. I don't know how deep the channel is here but I'll bet HC does.

***The thing is, though, the Coast Guard STILL has not issued a report on how high the bridge needs to be. I don't see how anybody, the CRC included, can continue to plan without that information. ***

hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, I'm thinking that widening the barge wouldn't be an option even if the bridge were replaced because of the railroad bridge.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Have some time on your hands today? Check out this Slate article that describes Reddit readers' fascinating shared photos in an attempt to help solve the Boston bombings:

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[1]: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/04/17/reddit_fingers_boston_bombing_suspect_blue_robe_guy_photo_shows_striped.html?utm_source=tw&utm;_medium=sm&utm;_campaign=button_toolbar

manthou — April 17, 2013 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 17, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.

If you want me to let it go, that's fine but I was trying to see if there was a better alternative. It's easy to share pipe dreams but reality plays a big role in the outcome.

Regarding the "curational facility," there's already a holding facility for ANY artifacts in the immediate vicinity of the fort. They actually have a building inside the fort with which they process the artifacts. Federal funding could be acquired separately from the crossing project funding request. This is just a way to put it on the local taxpayers. The Curational Facility money request is nothing but pork fat.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It's always "Well, you might ask a better question." with Paul.

Imagine trying to garner solid intel under a weak kneed contempt-for government austerity driven Paul administration. (I wonder which militia's Paul would deputize ;)

**Q**: You say that you would eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, the Department of Homeland Security, Medicare. You used to want to end the FBI. But if you get rid of the CIA, let alone the FBI, how would President Paul have any idea, any intelligence of what our enemies, foreign and domestic, are up to?

**A**: Well, you might ask a better question. Before 9/11, we were spending $40 billion a year, and the FBI was producing numerous information about people being trained on airplanes, to fly them but not land them. And they totally ignored them. So it’s the inefficiency of the bureaucracy that is the problem. So, increasing this with the Department of Homeland Security and spending more money doesn’t absolve us of the problem. Yes, we have every right in the world to know something about intelligence gathering. But we have to have intelligent people interpreting this information.

Source: 2007 GOP debate at UNH, sponsored by Fox News , Sep 5, 2007

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.

Well that would be too bad, then, wouldn't it. I don't know how big the opening for the RR bridge is but I think any barge would fit. If it was me, if I was the construction company building oil rigs or whatever, I would either move the business or (and here's a shocker) **re-design the rig to fit under the damn bridge!** Now don't tell me they don't have time to do that, I doubt very much that they have orders that far out that the new construction will be built in order to restrict their new products.

hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.

"I would either move the business"

So we should send jobs elsewhere? I didn't realize we had such low unemployment that we can afford to send our major employers to other cities.

" or (and here's a shocker) re-design the rig to fit under the damn bridge!"

Most fabricators do so to order, they usually do not design, that is done by the customer, if they can't ship it they do not bid on it, and jobs go elsewhere, often to other countries.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Arson squad arrives at JFK Presidential Library; Building closed ‘indefinitely’ for investigation into fire after marathon bombings**
 
*Shortly after the Boston Marathon bombings, a fire broke out near a new entrance at the library. Some employees say they heard a blast as the fire started.*

WASHINGTON — A Boston Police Department arson squad arrived Wednesday at the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum, raising new questions about the origin of a Monday fire at about the same time as the marathon bombings, the Daily News has learned.

Earlier Wednesdasy, the library was closed indefinitely amid what were called "air quality" issues.

But the arrival of the arson squad is the latest development in confusion about the fire, which damaged a conference room and auditorium in a new part of the library.

Police had originally indicated a possible link to the marathon bombings, then said it might have merely been a mechanical fire. Several employees on the scene Monday said they clearly heard blasts at the library.

Initial police analyses were contradictory and included a theory that a mechanical fire was the culprit. On Tuesday, Tom Putnam, the library head, said it remained unclear what caused the fire.

But both Monday and Tuesday had been normal work days for library personnel, who are federal employees and weren’t impacted by Monday’s Patriots Day state holiday. They were informed early Wednesday of the shutdown.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jfk-library-closed-probe-post-bombing-fire-article-1.1319001#ixzz2Qk5rlnLc

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 17, 2013 at 10:15 a.m

"Most ***fabricators*** do so to order, they usually do not design, that is done by the customer, if they can't ship it they do not bid on it, and jobs go elsewhere, often to other countries."

You DO know what that word means, yes? And yes they DO design. They take what the company wants and designs exactly what the need.

That metal company reports that their products range from 60 to 141 feet in height. If the bridge is 120' high then they need to have a deep well barge that will take then 30 feet below the waterline. Not too much to ask. The opening for the RR bridge is 260 feet so a barge 200 feet wide will fit just fine. Now these are smart people, I'm sure they can figure something out.

hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 17, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.

No, if a fabricator can't build what is ordered, someone else will, they do not redesign it. I actually do know a thing or two about engineering, including a Cum Laude degree in mechanical engineering from a respected east coast university.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 17, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.

My bet is that if the one arrested actually did it, that he/she is a loser.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Boston Bombings Investigation Has "Solid Leads"**

"We are zeroing in on some people," senior officials tell NBC News.

Investigators into the deadly Boston Marathon bombings have developed some "solid leads" and identified "a number of people" they want to talk to after watching hundreds of hours of video, NBC News reported.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/NATL-boston-marathon-bombing-day-three-investigation-feds-fbi-203364411.html

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 10:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.

I have no problems with someone becoming creative in the way they upgrade the mobility of their products to market. I also have no problem with the bridges being replaced. What I do have a problem with is forcing them to move in order to bring light rail to Vancouver to where you and I both know is a DEAD END. We both know this project is all about light rail, not shipping traffic, not freight mobility and not improving traffic along the I-5 Corridor.

Regarding your comment to Frobert @10:26 am, I have one question for you. Where did you get your numbers on the width of the span. The only thing I'm finding is the length of the entire swing at 467 feet, but that doesn't factor in the reduction of space between the spans with bridge foundation (in the center) and clearance on each side of the foundation...and it's quite different from your estimation of 260'. My guestimation would be closer to 200' on the side used by the river traffic.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And Hawkeye, the rigging (partially assembled btw) fit just fine under the I-5 bridges. You gotta keep focused at their true reasoning for the bridge, man.

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


More fleecing of America...

**Insider Trading in DC Just Got Easier**

While almost no one was looking, a law making it easier for congressional and top executive branch staffers to engage in corrupt trading was signed into law Monday.

The law is a modification of the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge (STOCK) Act. The modification was passed by unanimous consent by the House and the Senate last week with no debate or even discussion.

The provision of the Stock Act was a compromise in which government officials were required to disclose trades to the public in exchange for being able to trade in the first place. If disclosure proved too burdensome, government officials could simply adopt personal no-trading policies and avoid the cost of disclosing trades altogether.

The new law scraps the disclosure requirements for the staffers, leaving them in place only for members of Congress, Congressional candidates, and the President and Vice President.

People who lament our bitterly divided political situation might want to reflect what bipartisanship and inter-branch government agreement has been able to so quickly accomplish here.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100647407?__source=xfinity|mod∥=xfinity

ELISI — April 17, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crapola-

Since you're going all infowars on us, might as well add this site to your source collection.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-we-need-to-start-making-fun-terrorists/

Have you joined a militia yet?

I've got some property in Florida I might give you a good deal on...

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Not to break up the party here folks.But I thought Goldy might be interested to know that I have small green tomato's on our plants.Granted they are still in the green house but we will have tomato's before the 4th of July.

timerick — April 17, 2013 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great talk given by our President on the failed gun background check. A must see on the rebound if you're not watching it.

If you think Obama doesn't care about anything, watch this, and not some edited Fox News version.

How ridiculous we can't even get something like this passed when a overwhelming majority of people support it.

Can't wait till 2014.

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 2:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ailingit — April 17, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.

"How ridiculous we can't even get something like this passed when a overwhelming majority of people support it."

Most people who supported it had no clue what was in it, you should read it, it effectively outlaws almost all all private party sales. I don't think the average person would appreciate having to sell their property to only government selected sources.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s374/text

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.

"Can't wait till 2014."

I remember when you couldn't wait for 2010, and look how that turned out.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.

http://www.columbiarivercrossing.org/FileLibrary/TechnicalReports/CRC_NavigationImpactReport_110212.pdf

It's in there around 5.3

And GO, as for LRT and it going nowhere, you know how I think on that subject. It's STILL my opinion that we need to go with the Kevin Peterson bridge and leave it with the LRT option open until a later date. His bridge is still the best design.

***AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A REPORT FROM THE COAST GUARD!***

hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 3:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.

"Can't wait till 2014."

I remember when you couldn't wait for 2010, and look how that turned out.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

You just make crap up. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSL1gPCWW0E

Nanny nanny nanny goat?

You sticking your chin out again? :))

Speaking of Craiglist Harley's, and forum "Cum Laude's" (not your only "Cum Laude" in the basement if memory serves me) perhaps multiple degrees...or a strong degree of something else.:)

Anyway, to highlight your latest misunderstanding...

*it effectively outlaws almost all all private party sales.*

So cutting down on felons buying on Craigslist bugs you?

Please, explain in detail your assertion.

*I don't think the average person would appreciate having to sell their *property to only government selected sources.*

*guns, keep it real and quit hiding behind some skewed understanding of our constitution.

And...you are wrong. Overwhelmingly people support universal background checks. Republicans and Democrats alike.

It's the teabagger wannabee libertarian crowd representing the 10% in gerrymandered districts. Like Cruz and others. You just fall in line.

A lot of gall to question holycrap's motorcycle ownership, then to spout off about a degree? After your many posts? In all fairness frobro, your logic and inability to defend it, on just about any subject, certainly doesn't speak to any type of degree. Then again Sarah had some form of degree...didn't she?

Just sayin'. Keep it real. If you are keeping it real, present a pic of your diploma, you know, like you wanted holy to show his bike.

Keep it up in view for more than a few seconds this time.

Or is that what she said? :))

What is good for the goose.....

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey frobert- Are you the guy who posts as brother fairweather (or something like that) on the FB side?

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal



"Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?"
3/13 & earlier: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows?"


Support Oppose Unsure
% % %

4/11-14/13
86 13 1


3/7-10/13
91 8 1

1/10-13/13
88 11 1

5/00
92 6 2

8/30 - 9/2/99
90 9 1

5/99
89 11 -

With support hanging around 90%, the Senate couldn't pass an amendment to require background checks for gun purchases on-line of at gun shows? Do the guys represent the NRA or the public. Obama's comments were too kind. Someone in the gallery shouted "shame on you" when the amendment failed. Again, too kind.

mrd — April 17, 2013 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Patricia Maisch, Hero Of Tucson, Escorted Out Of Capitol For Shaming Senate**

WASHINGTON -- Patricia Maisch, a hero of the Tucson shooting that left six dead and another 13 wounded, including former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), was escorted by police out of the Capitol Wednesday for telling senators that they should be ashamed of themselves for blocking a provision requiring background checks for gun sales.

Maisch was at Giffords' "Congress On Your Corner" event in January 2011 when Jared Loughner opened fire. He was tackled by bystanders as he tried to reload, and Maisch was able to grab the third clip away from him.

She reacted just as quickly inside the Senate chamber. "Shame on you!" she told senators who'd voted against the amendment, which would require background checks for firearm sales at gun shows and elsewhere.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/patricia-maisch-tucson_n_3103695.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Obama is wrong on this one.

holycrapola — April 17, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.

...and acting on behalf of 90% of Americans is wrong. Simple universal background checks, like we used to have, the checks at one time the NRA endorsed, is wrong.

A pressure cooker bomb goes off and that's your logic? Because it can cause injury? So why do handgun background checks?

Something *not* designed to cause injury or death, is misused to cause injury and death. So why should we regulate something that *is* designed to cause injury and death? Is that about right?

...sigh

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's kind of like the NRA endorsing armed teachers and guards at schools, and at the same time endorsing separate gun background checks on teachers and guards.

They want background checks on the people guarding the henhouse, but not on the ones who would attack it!

:))

Common sense is common sense. But it's the old used up....*obummer's comin' after r' gns n freedumbs an such* *daMn dems wanna nationel registrie'*

Stunning!

It would be interesting to know what basement dwellers are against this, why and would support their argument.

I'm moderate to right (the old right?) with gun laws and own some. I'm not seeing the logic in this one bit. Somebody?

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 5:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 17, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.

Internet sales currently must be shipped to a FFL dealer and only private party face to face sales at gun shows don't need background checks, the questions on your surveys have nothing to do with the recently defeated legislation which outlawed private sales. Figures don't lie but liars figure.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.

It is my one and only degree, and I have never claimed any other, in the basement or anywhere else, in fact I am pretty sure I have never mentioned it here before. I usually keep my education out of our discussions, as with the exception of a few months at an old steam driven paper mill, I never worked in the field. In the context of today's conversation it was relevant.

I don't think I ever mentioned "Craigslist harleys", but firearms are already banned on Craigslist.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmdfD2byTuY

Didn't answer a thing frobro. Nothing. Where's the pic?

Better yet, why don't you quit trolling others posts and clean up your own. You've mentioned one of your.. *degrees* before, and hey, good for you, I think. Just not seeing any evidence fro.

Why do you ask so many questions of others (to include where my daughter attended high school for Christ's sake) and never answer any posed to you?

Never mind, don't figure to get an answer, and I either don't care or already know..I'll have to ask myself......:)

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hc---nevermind....sigh

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.

I have not mentioned any other degree in the past, if you are making a claim, please support it.

You brought up that your daughter had a higher than 4.0 average which is not legal in Washington State, making the question of where very relevant.

I answer any questions that I feel are relevant to the conversation.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal



*making the question of where very relevant.*

relevant to who, you?

After you were informed by luvit and myself you were wrong and that your presumption was ridiculous.. how was it relevant...really. Hell, look a few things up once in awhile before you go off half cocked. That was yet one more of your *educated* responses (to the 4.0+ question ) that was silly.

Anyway, not to beat a dead horse that's been buried..

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 17, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.

We're in agreement regarding bridge design. Peterson's design is the right design in my book. And yes, leave LRT out of it till future needs.

Regarding the information in the CRC link, this segment below describes the North Portland Harbor Bridges, East and West...East being the I-5 Bridges and West being the Railroad Bridge. I've italicized the I-5 bridge (first one) as well as the railroad bridge (second one). In the CRC document, it states the opening on the swing bridge has only an opening of 125 ':

"""Although there is no federally authorized navigation channel on this portion of North Portland Harbor, the existing bridges and surroundings indicate what the existing constraints are on
navigation. As previously mentioned, the eastern portion of North Portland Harbor contains moorages for floating homes and recreational vessels. *The existing North Portland Harbor Bridge has fixed spans and provides one navigation channel with a navigation clearance of 215 feet wide with a height ranging from 35 feet to 40 feet.* Existing clearance under the bridge and the surrounding moorages indicates that the dominant vessel type is recreational (requiring less than 40 feet of vertical clearance). The Project has committed that all of the structures proposed to be built by CRC over North Portland Harbor would meet or exceed the vertical clearance
allowed beneath the existing North Portland Harbor Bridge.

Farther toward the west, vessels pass under the BNSF Railroad Bridge. Similar to the situation on the Columbia River, the BNSF Railroad Bridge over the North Portland Harbor is located
approximately one mile downstream from the North Portland Harbor Bridge and accommodates vessels requiring more than 35 feet of vertical clearance through a movable swing span. According to NOAA Chart 18525, *the swing span in North Portland Harbor provides 125 feet of horizontal navigational clearance.*"""

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holyC-

I appreciate your insight as to opposition for universal background checks.

It helps me to understand the 10% a little better.

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Timerick...that's cool that you already have green tomatoes. I've got buds on mine but nothing is opened up yet. Still too cold to put in the garden. Some old timers around my neighborhood in the past told me to wait till the snow is off the peaks around Silver Star Mountain before planting unless you have a way to protect them. If today was any indication...those old timers knew what they were sayin'.

Too bad the younger group is too impatient to listen (referring to the Facebook discussion regarding voters in the city having the right to vote on funding for light rail as well as some recent comments here in the forum).

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


PEOPLE!!! Regarding the gun control vote today...

Please explain to me just how requiring stricter laws such as background checks would make any difference when it comes to those who possess guns? You could fingerprint them, take pictures of their photo ID, obtain DNA samples, grab their entire history down to their great, great grandfather's moonshine business...

And it WON'T STOP THE ISSUE OF GUN VIOLENCE. It won't even make a dent. If criminals want guns, you think they'd risk being ID'd at a gun show??? HELL no. They'd be going to rob the houses of the gun owners while their away, steal their weapons and use 'em...leaving the legal gun owner liable IF he failed to report the theft before another crime is committed..

This is where I agree with Holyc on what needs to be done. The schools aren't doing enough to provide a safe environment for the children. If little kids can walk onto the school grounds with their daddy's glock for show and tell (before getting in trouble)...

Just sayin'.

Get real, here will ya???

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit...for once, I am in agreement with you today...that is, when it comes to gun control. Things are definitely out of hand lately with too many needless deaths caused by those with psychological issues obtaining heavy weaponry. The hard fact is though...some of these people don't own the guns they're using. They resort to theft as the young man did in the shooting at Clackamas Town Center or the gun(s) was(were) in the household and he had immediate access. Maybe gun lock-up laws need to be strictly enforced as well as the elimination of weapons such as the two young men have used this week. But then again...more intrusion on the American people??? Hard call.

We have to think first about where is it these guns are coming from.Gun shows...yes, but also from the black market, arms collectors, military surplus sales... If it's out there, they'll find it. And the type of ammunition they're using...I'm wondering why it's available at all. Maybe regulations on the type of ammo sold are necessary as well.
Is there actually a way we can reduce such violence as we have witnessed this week (even in our own backyard)...this year???

goldenoldie — December 14, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.

mrd — December 14, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.

Hmm...not sure where you are getting this information, but from my perspective, guns were used a long time ago...not only for military purposes but for a method of acquiring food for the family. Anybody caught packing pistols...were looking for trouble or were expecting it to find them. How is today any different?

As far as I'm concerned...Military Purposes and Acquisition of Game Meat should be the ONLY TWO REASONS why guns should be allowed.

goldenoldie — December 15, 2012 at 5:30 a.m.

I just want to say I've never endorsed anything close to what you have suggested goldenoldie, pretty much just universal background checks that will help close some holes in the system with regards to the criminally insane and felons obtaining weapons through gun shows, private sales, etc., Maybe taking a look at a few other mild changes but never anything as restrictive as you have suggested.

*Get real, here will ya???*

goldenoldie — April 17, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.

Okay.

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The main problem with this bill and the reason it failed is that it banned private party sales. If the bill had been about background checks, and giving private parties an easy affordable route to complete them, it very well may of passed. The main effect of this bill would have been to redistribute wealth from the gun owners to the FFL dealers, a dealer would seize a portion of the value of every firearm.

frobert — April 17, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


With some few exceptions, Leftists always think of themselves as Moderates.

kn_dalai — April 17, 2013 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


leftists always think of themselves as superior, too.

not a great way to arrive at consensus, that.

DeeLittle — April 18, 2013 at 1:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning all. Question for all. Why ARE Americans so obsessed with owning guns? Why are you so afraid of the boogeyman? Do help me understand. I grew up without them, do not feel the desire to walk around with a gun strapped to my hip, do not feel the need to check how many bullets one can shoot, and don't really get this whole love affair with NRA which to me looks like the lobby firm for arms manufacturers and dealers. I have read the second amendment, understand it to refer to a militia and not every schmuck in the street, and I do not need to have a lengthy discussion about it. Better minds than ours have been debating the meaning of this amendment for a long time. Which brings me back to my question. You don't like your government? Fine, get off your butt and start voting them out and realize the fact how fortunate you are to be able to vote. The notion of packing heavily in case the gov comes knocking on your door , to me that is just ludicrous.

Dn and Dee, your comments about leftists. One can easily substitute right wingers for leftists in those comments. And how does this partisanship solve anything?

Sorry guys, got up too early, still tired, reading news about Texas explosion, more news re Boston, crap in DC, and bickering in ye old cellar.
If you guys have not figured out that we should all try and stick together, then hope is lost.

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 4:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"With some few exceptions, Leftists always think of themselves as Moderates." -- kn_dalai

One could substitute Conservative, or any other sociopolitical belief, and the statement would be just as valid. People who subscribe to an ideology of any sort (political, economic, religious - you name it) see what they believe as perfectly logical, and those who won't agree as being irrational.

Does this sorry Captcha program come with levels of difficulty? I occasionally use it on other websites with no problem - here it's like a challenge puzzle.

roger — April 18, 2013 at 5:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


HC, never felt the need for an Equalizer, also never really felt that this country is on verge of descending into total chaos, etc. I don't consider myself folding either. Rather than thinking the inevitable is upon us, I like to think we can salvage this.

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 5:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.

Your point is well taken. I have come to realize in my posts of prior months, they don't always coincide with what I speak of...today for example...and for that, I realize the conflicting comments. Thanks for pointing it out, but of course...I do have some sort of an explanation, albeit a weak one, lol.

I'm not sure if there's any good answer with regards to gun control as long as the manufacturers keep doling out the modern weaponry and ammunition used to kill the masses....speaking of semi-automatics and automatics. As far as I'm concerned, whatever measures short of taking away ownership rights should be implemented...within the scope of the law of course. That is something I stand by. Always will. You can fingerprint, DNA sample, background check any and all gun owners, not just those who are buying currently or in the future...but it won't solve the problem. Regarding the mentally ill and criminally insane...how many of those applicants have never been diagnosed? How many of those applicants abuse narcotics/prescripts/alcohol?

My point is...it might deter the issue, but it won't solve the problem...hence, my comment of "Get real."

I hope I've better explained my point of view.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 5:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And Nailingit...my thoughts will continue to be shared, even if they may seem contradictory. If it brings up a discussion to better understand whether or not it's a good idea, it will be stated...much like the one below to luvithere.

...

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 4:36 a.m.

Good mornin', luvit. I too was raised in a home without guns. To this day, I'm deathly afraid of even holding an unloaded weapon...but some family members are avid hunters (again, something I cannot fathom doing). There's no pistol strapped to the leg or across the chest. There's no fear of the "boogeyman." And there's no automatic or semi-automatic weaponry in our possession. Not all gun owners are portrayed as what the media makes it out to be.

With guns, there's a high level of responsibility. Before anybody should be allowed to purchase a firearm, they should go through a rigorous training program which in my opinion should include videos of families of innocent victims recounting their nightmares...family members who, in the course of the day were cleaning their firearms which accidentally went off, injuring themselves or someone else (even mortal wounds)....needless deaths due to ownership responsibility. Before anybody should fear the "boogeyman," they should fear the weapon of choice in order to respect just what it is they have acquired. It's not the wild, wild west. Education is a must!!!

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Sorry guys, got up too early, still tired, reading news about Texas explosion, more news re Boston, crap in DC, and bickering in ye old cellar. If you guys have not figured out that we should all try and stick together, then hope is lost.*

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 4:36 a.m.

Seems a lot of confusion, carnage and mayhem in the news, these days. I couldn't agree more with you and that this is a time where we should set aside our differences and work together for some kind of solution.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It is your choice, but if you are ever faced with a situation that you have to protect your life or just die, you will be in a pickle then, wouldn't you?

holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 6:07 a.m.

???

Holyc...do you honestly think the only way you can protect your life is with a firearm? My thoughts...if your lookin' for trouble, trouble will find you.

That little pocket peashooter in the picture isn't going to protect you from a deranged individual (or individuals) packing a semi-automatic or automatic.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes GO, my thoughts also. I just refuse to give in to paranoia and hysteria. I really do not spend my days thinking of all the ways things could go wrong. I rather think of ways to make it better. That''s not head in sand or clouds thinking, HC. That's just refusing to live like world is ending tomorrow.
And GO. There's lots of people who love ye old Wild West . They keep forgetting that it was really not that great. Personally, lack of indoor plumbing alone... :) with that thought, off to work I go.

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


By the way, did not want to imply all firearms owners strap on the big gun and strut around, Goldie. I know what you mean.

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*As far as I'm concerned, whatever measures short of taking away ownership rights should be implemented...within the scope of the law of course.*

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 5:49 a.m.

And that is what the conversation has been all about. Making modest reforms with legislation. Expanding the scope a bit to detour felons and the criminally insane from purchasing firearms.

---

*Good morning all. Question for all. Why ARE Americans so obsessed with owning guns? Why are you so afraid of the boogeyman? Do help me understand.*

*The notion of packing heavily in case the gov comes knocking on your door , to me that is just ludicrous.*

I think in many instances, it's because the guy is already packin' a small piece to begin with. ;)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere, I believe we've been on the same wavelength regarding firearms possession and what it implies from the beginning. I had no doubt. 8))

..

Holyc..., you think in a situation such as you suggest, that it would be a cool, calm and collected atmosphere? Chances are, the shot that would go off could easily injure an innocent.

Things happen when guns are around, holyc. There's just too many of them out there. People are quick to pull a trigger, thinking it will save their lives when all it will do is aggravate the situation. Just seeing a holstered gun on a person in public sends 911 calls through the roof. A display of a gun whether it be holstered or not is a sign of aggression...something that can spark an issue nobody wants to see. No matter what you say or how you say it...guns don't kill people. It takes someone to pull that trigger or in some cases...something.

Speaking of innocents and guns...

Just the other day, a policeman in training (military veteran no doubt), was holstering his pistol and it went off...through the wall of the house and into his girlfriend's little angel girl's body as she played in their backyard. Her future is gone. Her life was taken away from her...and it was no violent confrontation.

Remember the issue of the sheriff's deputy whose son managed to jimmy open Daddy's gun safe, only to accidentally kill his brother???

Innocent lives lost.

Just what is the real answer, here??? I don't think anybody truly knows.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 6:48 a.m.

Regarding your comment to me, might I refer you to frobert's post @7:40 pm???

Regarding your response "The notion of packing heavily in case the gov comes knocking on your door , to me that is just ludicrous."...

I *ABSOLUTELY* agree!!!

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Great job guys! I'm sure some of the victims families who had gathered at the courthouse for a look appreciated your sloppy journalism. This was not a hard one to get right.

**CNN, Fox News, AP Forced To Walk Back Reports Of Boston Bombing Arrests**

CNN and other outlets found themselves with egg on their face when they reported that an arrest had been made in the Boston bombings and were then forced to walk that news back.

Though it was not alone, CNN took the brunt of the blame for its faulty reporting. It was the first and most prominent outlet to tout its scoop.

The network's John King, citing multiple sources, said that an arrest had been made. Fran Townsend, a contributor to the network, also said it had been made.

The Boston Globe agreed. Fox News also reported an arrest. The Associated Press did so as well.

Leading the way in its dispute of that story was NBC News. Citing multiple federal sources, the network's Pete Williams said, "No arrest has been made."

"The FBI is looking for someone. They have a face. They don't know where he is," Williams said.

CBS News also tweeted that no arrest had been made.

Some minutes later, CNN suddenly appeared to be walking back its story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/cnn-boston-arrests-media-nbc_n_3102680.html

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 7:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Here is some more, these are surprisingly common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium...

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting comments from this conservative Republican ex-lawmaker congressman.

**Joe Scarborough: Senators Who Rejected Gun Background Checks Will 'Pay At The Polls' (VIDEO)**

An outraged Joe Scarborough sounded off on the failure of gun background checks in the Senate on Thursday's "Morning Joe."

The amendment — which would have extended checks to gun shows and online purchases — was a key provision in a series of proposals to reduce gun violence in the wake of the Newtown shooting. The bill failed 54 to 46, falling short of the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster.

Scarborough expressed his dismay with the senators who voted against the bill, which 90% of Americans support. He said that the right choice was "very simple," saying that background checks would keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, rapists and gang members.

Scarborough went on at length for nearly five minutes, blasting the senators who he said yielded to the NRA. He promised that they would "pay" a price for their vote, saying:

*"I'm sick and tired of people on Capitol Hill that I've known for a long time that I've respected, I'm sick and tired of them insulting my intelligence, acting like I am stupid enough and you're stupid enough and 90% of americans are stupid enough to believe that this bill would lead to a national registry! I hear it all the time! Hey, the bill itself puts people in jail for up to 15 years. If they keep these names and start a national registry. It's offensive. It's stupid. And, Mika, you know what? In the long run, all of those people that voted for a more dangerous America are going to pay at the polls. Mark my words. This is going to come up and it's going to hit them in the face."*

*“Mark it down, this is going to be a turning point in the history of the Republican Party as well. And let those out there chattering, let them chatter away all they want to and scream like hyenas. … This party that killed this background check yesterday — this party is moving toward extinction. A new Republican Party is going to replace it. And this is going to be a vote that people will look back on and say, ‘That party, that extremism, that was unsustainable.’”*

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/joe-scarborough-background-checks_n_3108621.html

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.

You keep referring to him as a "Conservative", but isn't he a wholly wholly owned subsidiary of MSNBC?

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think in many instances, it's because the guy is already packin' a small piece to begin with. ;)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 6:48 a.m.

HA! I wanted to say something like that but decided to stay nice. LOL. Making up for shortcomings. Hilarious to think about this. Best to quit before HC start reacting to that one. He might, eh, hm, misconstrue this.

luvithere — April 18, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Looks like they have found pictures of at least 2 people to question. We shall see if anything comes up, that is if they can ID and find these 2.

**Authorities circulate photos of two men spotted carrying bags near site of Boston bombings**

nvestigators probing the deadly Boston Marathon bombings are circulating photos of two men spotted chatting near the packed finish line, The Post has learned.

In the photos being distributed by law-enforcement officials among themselves, one of the men is carrying a blue duffel bag. The other is wearing a black backpack in the first photo, taken at 10:53 a.m., but it is not visible in the second, taken at 12:30 p.m.

“The attached photos are being circulated in an attempt to identify the individuals highlighted therein,” said an e-mail obtained by The Post. “Feel free to pass this around to any of your fellow agents elsewhere.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/feds_have_men_in_sights_j43UJwXZncr0wmysU42scJ

ELISI — April 18, 2013 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.

I get where you are coming from. To repeat:

nailingit — April 17, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luv @4:36 a and roger @ 5:16 am. We will just have to disagree about that. Your idea that my statement holds equally true for anyone, assumes that the mental and emotional makeup is the same for Left and Right. While it’s only my opinion, my own obervations are that those on the Right are more likely to call themselves Conservative than those on the Left thinking they’re Liberal, or God forbid – Socialist. It’s also been my observation that those on the Left become more easily and highly angered over political issues. If one is preoccupied with the unfairness of it all, and certain that it’s up to government to provide for everyone, then my observations may make sense.

kn_dalai — April 18, 2013 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


:)))

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


On another note...

Is the Murdoch owned NY Post the only ones with photo's of the would be bombers?

Not seeing them other places yet. And with the Post's rep.....I'd take these photo's with a bag of salt.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


from another source. nine in ten supporting the proposed amendment is pretty close to 90%.

"The bipartisan Senate measure to require background checks for almost all firearm sales had so much going for it. **Nine-in-10 Americans supported it, according to polling;** newly elected Obama campaigned for it, as did the families of those killed in the tragic Newtown shootings; Michael Bloomberg’s groups spent heavily on TV ads urging its passage; and it finally had bipartisan sponsors with "A" ratings from the National Rifle Association -- Sens. Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA).

mrd — April 18, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 18, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.

It's also safe to say 90% of Democrats voted for it, while 90% of Republicans voted against it.

Republicans will have a price to pay at the polls.

This issue is not going away anytime soon.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Speaking of big guns & small units, even sleeping with your gun under the pillow can land you in a meat grinder. Yeeecchh! Not only Bobbitized, but ground Chuck!

**Catherine Kieu Trial: Man Describes Wife Allegedly Cutting Penis Off**

SANTA ANA, California -- The estranged husband of a woman charged with severing his penis said it was as though his life ended the evening of the attack.

"She murdered me that night," the man said Wednesday on the first day of the trial of Catherine Kieu, 50.

Orange County Deputy District Attorney John Christl said in his opening statement that Kieu, angry because her husband was dating a former girlfriend, laced his food with sleeping pills on July 11, 2011, then tied him to a bed, severed his penis and put it in the garbage disposal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/catherine-kieu-trial-wife-cuts-penis-off_n_3108134.html?ir=Crime&ref;=topbar

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 18, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.

I have found no polls based on s374, the only polls I find ask the question if people would support expanding background checks to cover online sales and gunshows. The problem is that online sales already require a background check, the firearm must be shipped to an FFL dealer who must preform a background check. Dealers at gun shows must also preform a background check the only exemption is if two non dealer parties meet at a gun show and conduct a private transaction.

This was a bad bill that was misrepresented to the public, I suggest you read it. It outlaws all private sales with the exception of immediate family, if you sell a firearm it must be to a dealer. This effectively redistributes a major portion of the value of these firearms from people to businesses. If the Senate was serious about background checks they would have allowed private parties to order them at an affordable rate.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**UPDATE:** 10 hours after these guys were identified, the NY Post has ran a front page story with pictures of them, apparently unaware that they have been identified and have come forward.

This is what you call a witch hunt media, for god sake.

The two males we're talking about are the one in a black jumper/hoody with a white hat, and his friend in a blue track jacket. There are multiple news sites releasing their information and/or Facebook pages, this is disgusting and will not be tolerated here, no links to these stories are allowed.

Please report any posts regarding personal information on these two, they will be removed and the user will be permanently banned. All previous links to these two are being removed.

We are not waiting for them to be officially cleared, one of the men has contacted the police to try and clear his name. Please understand that the FBI now knows who they are, so our posts now have no purpose. If the situation changes then people can make new posts. It's not our job to keep their information out there, people are innocent until proven guilty - not the other way around.

***Ok there it is folks, an update to the article I posted earlier, the two men have identified themselves to authorities and are not as of this time suspects!***

ELISI — April 18, 2013 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 18, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.

Sorry I forgot to post the link to the bill. If you read section 202 it bans all private transfers of firearms with the exception of gifts among immediate family and wills. It also bans loaning of firearms in many cases.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s374/text

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Either you are completely misunderstanding this bill or you are purposely misrepresenting this bill.

Please, explain to us how "it bans all private transfers of firearms" by requiring a criminal background check .

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holyC @ 10:18- I'm now convinced you're nothing more than a character. A fun loony one, but a well done (kinda) imaginative write. Props! No one is this confused or this easily taken in at this point in there lives.

Props!

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry about using *there* instead of *their*. I recently found out a couple get irritated over such matters. :)

(I'm sure it will happen again)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola, that is not in my control to remove. Just stating what I found out. As far as I know, that link doesn't ID them or give out any personal info on the 2. Just a picture of them.

The link I posted earlier was NOT the official release as I understand.

ELISI — April 18, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.

I provided a link to the text of the law and suggested you read it, here is the text of the proposed law, the link is in my earlier post

‘(t)(1) Beginning on the date that is 180 days after the date of enactment of this subsection, it shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (s). Upon taking possession of the firearm, the licensee shall comply with all requirements of this chapter as if the licensee were transferring the firearm from the licensee’s inventory to the unlicensed transferee.

‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

‘(A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between parents and their children, between siblings, or between grandparents and their grandchildren;

‘(B) a transfer made from a decedent’s estate, pursuant to a legal will or the operation of law;

‘(C) a temporary transfer of possession that occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unl

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Having said that, me thinks that Obama has got to go. That incompetency and misrepresentation, manipulation of the truth is a daily occurrence in our country today.*

Of course you do! :)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


my point is not the details, intentions, or anything specific to the bill. My point is how someone can justify voting against the wishes of an overwhelming majority of people.

mrd — April 18, 2013 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Already read it frobro...again Please, explain to us how "it bans all private transfers of firearms" by requiring a criminal background check .(no copy and paste but explanation, if you deem my inquiry *relevant*):))

(btw you stopped short on (C))

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Guess it's just a matter of which poll and which media reports..

**Majority of Americans say guns make homes safer**

The failure of popular Senate gun proposals Wednesday affirmed — even in the wake of Newtown shootings — the rigidity of the politics on the issue.

Lost amid the debate is the fact that for the first time a majority of Americans say having a gun in the household makes it a safer place to be, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. By a wide 51 to 29 percent margin, more people say a gun in the house makes it safer rather than more dangerous.

That’s a near complete reversal from a Gallup poll in 2000, when the public split 35 to 51 percent on whether guns make the home safer or more dangerous.

People with guns in their homes lead the way in touting the safety benefits: 75 percent say they make the house safer, compared with just 30 percent of those with no gun at home who say the same.

Those who think guns make the home safer prioritize gun rights over new gun laws by 2 to 1. But for those who think guns make the home more dangerous overwhelmingly prioritize new laws to limit gun violence over protecting gun rights, by 82 to 12 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/18/majority-of-americans-say-guns-make-homes-safer/?wprss=rss_the-fix

ELISI — April 18, 2013 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.

The part that says it would be unlawful for a person not licensed to transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 10:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.

"(btw you stopped short on (C))"

(C) and its subsections are concerning loaning of firearms so it didn't apply to what I was answering.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 18, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.

The "90%" answered that background checks should extend to internet sales and gun shows, which they already do, so how can we interpret that as approval of banning all private sales?

Not that it is any way relevant to anything, the house never would have passed it and chances are the Supreme Court would not of upheld a ban on selling one's property.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


HC - Fro

It probably doesn't matter what evidence you bring forth, there are just some that will not understand. Most bills have so much in them that in reality they should be two-three or 10 bills...Don't give up however...

vanwadreamer — April 18, 2013 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- {scenario}

Tom: "Hey Dick, will you sell me your .38?"

Dick: "Sounds good, I'll call Harry at the pistolero shop and see how do we do it under s.374, just to make sure you're not some f'ing crazed criminal nut or something!?"

Tom: "Hope that thing from a few years ago doesn't come up, but, okay!"

(5 minutes later)

Dick: It's cool Tom. All we have to do is head to the pistolero shop for a few and do the check.

**[**Tom in a panic steals Dick's gun and mortally wounds him, firing 5 bullets to his head.

Dick then goes to Harry and guns him down, not wanting a trail of evidence.**]**

So I guess after all, simple background checks won't work.

In the long run, Tom yanked Dick from Harry's appointment.

And Tom's gun has been pried from his cold dead fingers by .. Dick.

Nah, everybody will do sumpin' like this. Background checks, they'll never work. (if people listen to crap for understanding)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Safety is what this bill was all about. It's why an overwhelming majority of Americans supported it. Most folks think our streets are safer with some sort of measure to help prohibit the criminally insane and convicted felons from owning firearms.

Sounds crazy, doesn't it?

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.

You forgot the part about Harry gets to charge what ever portion of the sale that he wants to, ownership of the firearm would legally and physically be transferred to him.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.

Show one poll that asked questions concerning what was actually in the bill.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Give it up, nail. Fro will NEVER believe you no matter what you say. Beck's got him convinced.

hawkeye — April 18, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hot off the press!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvVwal...

holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.

[Plison Pranet] **Superman saves Air Force One! Communist Prez was flying to Prague!**

..

In addition to, *incompetency and misrepresentation, manipulation of the truth* that *is a daily occurrence in our country today*, look at this crapola! Obummer let's his government paid pilots in their overpriced government jet, (why can't he fly commercial like everyone else! a waste of taxpayer money!!)fly into a lightening storm, and he is so useless Superman has to save him! Obama's got to go!! Pathetic!

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk- How people can buy into Glenn Beck... it's amazing!

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 18, 2013 at 12:29 p.m

All of a sudden you're down on free markets? :))

And you left out the part where you were disingenuous when stating..

*It outlaws all private sales with the exception of immediate family, if you sell a firearm it must be to a dealer.*

Which is simply not true.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*real reason or potential there that overnight they can be modified with a different purpose?*

No doubt the drones are involved in a plot to destroy the world and introduce a new civilization of Alien rule. And it ain't the aliens south of texarkana!

*Hmmmmmm I insist, you people live in lah lah land it seems...*

Oh yeah you betcha!

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 5:30 a.m.

holyc- Refer to the above post as one of many examples. Your talk is just hyperbole that repeats itself over and over. Always about the magnitude of political problems, yet failing to understand the basics of ideology and process.

No grade school level. I've tried to share reasonable points.

You're starting to sound weird with this Madore thing @ 12:50 & holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.

Why are you all of a sudden reverting to Madore? This is getting wackier by the post!

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola, did you actually see a production line for the drones or is it possible that US Digital was installing some of their mechanics on pre-manufactured equipment? If you didn't see the article I posted regarding drones being approved for police work in Oregon...well, that's one reason for them (the one which unnerves me...except in cases like hostage situations, suspicious packages which could cause destruction...etc.). Another is to monitor the potato crops in Eastern Oregon...as well as other farms and ranches nationally. You'd be surprised at how farming has taken a digital turn in recent years. They can monitor ground moisture and a whole host of other issues related to ranching and farming.

If US Digital is in fact, involved in drone production and improvements, they're choosing a good time to get involved. Most likely, they've got a contract with Insitu.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And holy,relax. No problem. I enjoy your posts as they stir up some things.

Keep on keepin' on holy! :)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.

You should've queued the Twilight Zone music after *that* comment. And it's not Aliens, nailingit...it's Apocalyptic Zombies!!! Aliens have been around for a long, long time. Get it right, will ya???

8))

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

Better read the article at the link if you plan on surviving that alien invasion.

http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2012/12/colonization-survival-tips/

roger — April 18, 2013 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 18, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.

Glad we have the Columbia, Willamette, Sandy, Lewis and Washougal Rivers (as well as local lakes and creeks) in close proximity. Maybe they'll stay away from our location...8)

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Get it right, will ya???

8))

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.

I try goldenoldie, I do try. :))

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I see the Washington State Senate has put another thorn in the shoe of Moeller's pet project, today by amending the budget proposal...and teasing the CRC with $81 million to work with rather than $49 million like the State House promised. Talk about a tease!!! Looks like the Senate means business...to do the job right before allotting monies which are already very difficult to come by. And in doing so, we just might get that "official" audit on the CRC before all is said and done. Then everyone can stop bi+chin' about Tiffany's audit, even though another independent auditor has confirmed her findings.

..

Uh ohhhh....there's a strike against Washington State Employment numbers...looks like Boeing is laying off about 700 workers and cutting 1,700 engineering workforce positions.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 1:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 18, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.

Thanks for the heads up! Duly noted.

As far as the X-Files go, I was having a conversation the other day as to the best TV show of all time. (at least in the conspiracy/mystery/etc. category) I have to say X-Files has my vote with 24 a close second. Apples & oranges to some degree, but great TV for both.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.

I understood your point. Thanks for the clarification on the drone. Maybe he saw the success Insitu has been having and wanted a piece of the pie. Isn't that what competitive marketing is all about?

Regarding drones...holyc, there's been unmanned aircraft forever, since remote-control airplanes have been made. I even remember such "drones" on an old television show...Hogan's Heroes. You can pick them up at any hobby shop. Maybe some boyz have never growed up! (yes, misspelled on purpose) What is new technology is what companies like Insitu...even US Digital are promoting. The guy had a vision...an idea which he banked on...and maybe you have seen a sneak preview of what is coming soon.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.

Forcing citizens to frequent any business is the opposite of "free market".

The proposed law would have outlawed private sales, it isn't about background checks, that could have been cheaply and easily extended to private sales, it as about a national registry. Every sale under the new law would have been reported to the ATF.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*it isn't about background checks, that could have been cheaply and easily extended to private sales, it as about a national registry*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RgOul...

If you would have read the entire bill (not to be snippy, but if you had you would never make such a statement if motivated by honesty) you would have noticed a provision banning such a registry. This is like real redneck misinformation stuff fro. Backwoods and then some.

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holyc- Since the bad guys are going to commit crimes regardless of law, why have any?

Would you keep the ban on fully auto weapons? How about rocket propelled grenade systems. I mean, everybody and their sister can make one, right?

What about the guy @ 12:40, good to go?

Money sure talks, no doubt about that.

So why not let it? Get your Libertarian freak on and grab a rocket dude. Oh...would bombs be legal in your world? After all, anyone can make one. Regulate them? Too much government interference if you ask me. ;)

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal



nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.

"If you would have read the entire bill (not to be snippy, but if you had you would never make such a statement if motivated by honesty) you would have noticed a provision banning such a registry. "

You might want to read it again, that refers to language that was struck out of the bill.

And the proposed bill STILL reads that it would have outlawed all private party sales, and most gifting and loaning.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.

"Since the bad guys are going to commit crimes regardless of law, why have any?"

How about we make the criminal acts illegal and keep commerce legal.

frobert — April 18, 2013 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holy, you're mischaracterizing things and you know it. And the brain thing...really.

Of course there isn't a cure all. Or a cure at all. Small incremental changes in an evolving society which addresses it's needs is usually how things go..

Again it's "a rest my case" thing, when all you've done is drone on about your view of societies ills. In your words/word...next! :) It ain't about being right holy, it's about what is right.

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fro-In face of facts you still....

Another write in vote for Paul next election?

And then this thing with Beck hawk mentioned, whatever floats your boat.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holy-If you had *all the power*, how would you address these issues.

-300 million guns "known" in American's hands.

-Nobody knows how many more.

-Criminals do not give a crap about laws. Their expertise is to break them or weasel their way out of them.

-Rampant mental illnes.

-Mass murder.

holy-If you had the power of the *Presidency,* today, how would you address these issues.

Hey, this is kinda fun! Like King for a Day stuff. If given the chance to be Prez for a day, I'd tour Area 51 and make sure Cheney's and Rumsfeld's tax returns were audited.

I might get some answers and a sliver of justice.

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I would put a temporary state of emergency and clean house. Enough is enough!*

holycrapola — April 18, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.

Please describe "clean house" and "temporary state of emergency".

*At some point we have to cut our losses.*

What does that mean?

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


According to an article by Andrea Damewood of Willamette Week, AND DC.STREETSBLOG,org , Ray Lahood, US Secretary of Transportation was asked by Representative Herrera-Beutler..."Was it really worth it to shave one minute off commute time" (referring to the cost of the project and the end result of improvement of freight/commuter traffic); and LaHood said, *“we don’t promote building roads or bridges to get places faster.”*

Sooo...if *"we"* don't promote building roads or bridges to get places faster, then what's the point of building the bridges at all??? They're trying to eliminate gridlock issues so that freight arrives at its destination in a better time frame...isn't that the same as "promoting building roads and bridges to get places faster???"

Geez...no wonder we're getting nowhere with the powers that be. These double standards are irritating and causing the roadblocks in politics.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good observation, Goldie. The CRC Economic Benefits Analysis has pages and pages covering 1) the cost to people spent idling in traffic instead of doing something productive, and 2) the anticipated economic boon by cutting the travel time between the Ports of Seattle and Portland.

roger — April 18, 2013 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HolyC at 3:38 - I'm inclined to agree with you - those guys are moving way to fluidly and easily to be burdened with a load that would have to weigh what - at least 40-50 lbs? That would be nothing in a ruck with frame, but in what looks like an unsupported book bag that pressure cooker ought to be swaying back and forth, banging into the guy's back, etc.

But all the guessing has been wrong so far - Blitzy and partner at CNN, the NYPost, and a couple of others. So....

roger — April 18, 2013 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrapola, when will you learn...you cannot force people onto light rail. Show me one shred of evidence which proves that 50% of the commuters in the Metro area of Portland, Beaverton, Clackamas, Gresham, Hillsboro AND Tualatin have switched to light rail. Just one.

Guess what!!! You can't! It isn't working in Portland and it won't work in Vancouver. The politicians have already realized that concept. Why can't you?

CASE CLOSED

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 18, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.

Careful now, roger...you don't want people to have a spaz attack by reading facts, now. That will burst their LRC (light rail crossing) bubble.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HolyC - There is no way you can move half the commuters to LRT. Or a quarter. Or even 10%. A two car train has 136 seats. The CRC is claiming they'll have 8 Yellow line runs per hour (total B.S. and not supported by TriMet; they can't block OR30 on Lombard at Interstate that often) - this would move 1088 passengers per hour. Over the 3 hour 6-9 a.m. that most people go to work, that's 3264 people. 50-60,000 drive south every day.

And besides, LRT isn't really to remove the current commuter crowd off the road - that's why there's only 2900 parking spaces in the three garages. As far as Vancouver is concerned, it's to support the Waterfront Development project. I've got a feeling the main benefactors of the big garage will be the students at Clark College.

roger — April 18, 2013 at 6:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Since TriMet eliminated the free ride zone MAX ridership has dropped by nearly 20%.

The gov't subsidizes the cost of public transportation for its employees by picking up the cost of a monthly pass. There are several riding those express buses to downtown Portland from Vancouver, but very few who use MAX. Most people who tried MAX quit - several because their cars were broken into in the Gresham and Gateway park and ride lots. So much for incentives.

roger — April 18, 2013 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrapola, this is where you're incorrect. According to Trimet's factsheet, the Type 2 and 3 trains have a maximum capacity of 332 per train. The type 4 trains have 344. With 73 daily stops to Delta Park every 15 minutes... at max capacity, that would be 24,236 passengers maximum each direction. The number of vehicles crossing each day is approximately 135,000. Divide that number in half...say 67,500 vehicles one way.

With a maximum capacity of 24,236 passengers on light rail per day IF they rode each day at that capacity, that would be around a 36% traffic reduction. The current Trimet stats show 14,900 per day on the entire Yellow line and depending on where those states were collected, it's hardly 14,900 coming into Vancouver. Maybe 1,490 maximum. Holyc...even if 14,900 utilized MAX into Vancouver, that would still be only 11%.

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow...that was weird. Suddenly it showed the C as unavailable. Anybody else having issues?

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ain't gonna fly, holycrapola. Oregon counts on the sales taxes they pull from Washingtonians, Idahoans and Californians who cross the border in order to go to work. They know we cannot vote on the other side of the river/border (whichever fits the descript) and they like it that way.

As you say...o&o;!

goldenoldie — April 18, 2013 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie - Those figures for trains is SRO and packed in tight. I'm listing this by the number of seats because not a whole lot of people are willing to put up with having to stand and constantly move as people get on and off. This isn't the NYC subway crowd.

But you do bring up another good point - a lot of those on the Yellow line live in NW Portland.

roger — April 18, 2013 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So Portland is going to block the border, huh. When was it they had those signs up - "Thanks for visiting, now go home to California" or whatever it was - back in the 70s? It didn't work - tons of Californians up here now. Nobody listens to Oregon!!!

roger — April 18, 2013 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holyC- I hope you wore your forum 'flak' jacket today! A tune to get it right for the night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbTyfn...

nailingit — April 18, 2013 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


***WATERTOWN, MA***

betcha wish ya had guns NOW, doncha

DeeLittle — April 18, 2013 at 11:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yeah Dee and Holyc...those gun-toting citizens, trained to use them if necessary...really felt safer, now that one of them is deceased and the other in the hospital in extremely critical condition.

Sorry...I still disagree with the mindset that everyone should be packing a firearm. That doesn't solve the problem.

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 6:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 18, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.

That was my point to holyc. Nobody's going to be stupid enough to cram into a sardine can to get from point a, through point b, c, d, and e in order to get to point f...even if there were incentives. Besides, the incentive to ride downtown was washed out when they eliminated Fareless Square. What incentive? To bring in some more keystone cop security guards in to monitor how many cars are broken into at the park 'n rides so they can be put on hold with 911 operators, then tell you to call your insurance company? Or better yet...to watch you get mugged by riders that want your cell phone or tablet...the same who have managed to slip under the crack of paying their fair share?

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Boston bombing suspects: Media types are scratching their heads at the description of the younger brother by people who knew him.

How can someone who was seemingly so "normal" turn sinister and dark? How could someone who spent most of his life living by the rules, go so bad?

Not one of the talking heads are mentioning the science of adolescent brain development. Until a person reaches about the age of 25, their frontal lobes are not whole.

If the younger suspect survives this manhunt, this will be the defense.

Mark my word.

manthou — April 19, 2013 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


This guy could very well go out with a bang and attempt to take people with him.

Looks like things might be coming to a head.

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Something stinks higher than dirty diapers. Catching up on local stuff. This guy Dave should just step down and do us a favor. His expertise doesn't seem to involve public affairs.

Quitting now would minimize damage before his term is up.

Casting aspersions on private citizens in a public format. Not cool dave.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/ap...

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 19, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.

Great idea HC, but now that they have made it FREE to get into the park, how you gonna pay for it? Cameras ain't cheap and neither is monitoring them.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Putin came out with a sympathy statement earlier. Regardless of visible party affiliation, no doubt Putin is enjoying every moment of this.

Remember this?

**Agents Deported by U.S. Are Honored in Moscow**

By MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ
**Published: October 18, 2010**

The agents, who were arrested in the suburbs of New York, Boston and Northern Virginia, have been widely lampooned in the West as bumbling caricatures of a bygone era. For over a decade they used false names, invisible ink and other vestiges of the cloak-and-dagger era to gain access to the type of information more easily downloaded from the Internet. In the end they were not even charged with espionage.

In Russia, however, they have been praised by Russia’s top leaders for their service to the motherland.

Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, a former K.G.B. agent himself, sang patriotic songs with the agents when he visited them shortly after their arrival in Moscow, he told reporters this summer.

At the time, Mr. Putin lambasted the “treachery” that led to their arrest, warning that “traitors always meet bad ends.” He also predicted the former sleeper agents would have “bright and interesting futures.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/world/europe/19russia.html?ref=russianspyring2010

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2012240076_seattlespy30m.html

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 11:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Maybe we could hire a local Vancouver company to provide drone surveillance, any ideas?

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 10:15 a.m

Hey, I made a comment under David's post that he didn't like and he deleted it, twice. I re-posted it by itself and he can't touch it. He's up to his old tricks again.

Can't stand the heat, stay out of office!

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 11:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 19, 2013 at 7:09 a.m.

Holyc....sweetie....

I've been to many large cities including NYC, St. Louis, LA and San Francisco as well as multiple European Cities and Aussie. I travel a lot more than you think, my friend. There's a reason why I still live in li'l ol' Vancouver. I don't put myself in the place of one who lives in a mega city for a reason. Your assumption was an incorrect one, just to let you know.

I also accept your choice whether or not to protect yourself with firearms...just don't tread on my rights, either...and we'll be fine.

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- I read the park thing, posted my forum comment, and a few minutes later he made his last comment. Creepy. Sardonically creepy!! :)

I think he just needs to get out of the kitchen. He hasn't learned, he keeps throwing water on the many grease fires he's started.

Adapting to the needs and wants of a majority seems foreign to him.

Why can't David stand the heat? Deleting posts! Again!?! Just-plain-sad.

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, Just who the Fu%^ do you think you are to talk about Boston in that way? What gives you the right? You think you are better than everyone else? You are a lowlife piece of crap for comments like that. Instead of being a narrow-minded ignorant cuss, open your eyes! There is so much turmoil right now here in the states! Come on!

Holycrapola, seriously you need to go and get your head checked. I've never known anyone to write the crazy shi* u do.

andrecht — April 19, 2013 at noon ( | suggest removal


**Holder: Marijuana's effect on children a factor**

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/04/18/2563201/holder-marijuanas-effect-on-children.html#storylink=cpy

And see, right there is The Problem.
If we don't go back to the '37 Tax Act, but cite 1970 as the beginning of the Drug War, we can safely say the number of kids smoking pot, this very day, is related to the latter. That is, for 43 years we have attempted to eradicate cannabis - for the sake of the children, mind you.

How's that been working out?
I won't go looking up the statistics again (unless requested). I will, however, go out a limb and write teens in more (drug) tolerant countries are far less likely to abuse cannabis than in the United States. IIRC about 1/2 as many in the Netherlands. Far fewer in Portugal than here.

From the article, I quote representative Harris from Maryland (R), "Kids need clear messages and I'm afraid we're not sending them one."

I don't agree with Harris. I think the message is quite clear. What we are telling our children is our industrial prison complex is more important then they are. We are telling them we'd rather tear families apart, arresting in the neighborhood of 720,000 people annually for simple possession. We would rather support the corporations that have fluorished under our draconian laws.

We are liars. Willing to sacrifice our young in order to maintain the status quo. *That* is our clear message.

I was going to write how ludicrous the statement is, "Pot's effect on children a factor in federal drug policy," but you know, if one twisted it juuust a touch, 'Federal drug policy is a factor in the effect on children.' Well, *that* would be spot on, now wouldn't it?

The linked article above appeared today on page A3 of The Columbian. I didn't see it on the "e-version" so I went elsewhere.

http://capndrift.wordpress.com/

Drift — April 19, 2013 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holyC- I agree, security should be in the budget. What great PR it would for a local religious community to come together with the $$$ to help.

If he's Four Square/Pentecostal as he's been associated with, it's going to be hard to determine what will happen to his office or what his future actions will be. This is a fringe group of Christianity who strongly believe in hearing the voice of God and responding accordingly.

It'd be a small miracle for any church group (unfortunately) to step up and fix this. Or local businesses for that matter. I've found many who gripe about government services haven't got a reasonable clue as to how to fix them. Many just don't care about this. They're old, never use the parks (or other services, LR?) and point fingers from a distance imo.

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Drift — April 19, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.

Great post and well stated. Seriously, you oughta write a book or host a blog or something!

I appreciate your ongoing passion bringing reason to the marijuana debate & future policy.

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe David can donate the cameras from his own business, it would be great to see him try to sell the idea to the public that he's trying to keep everybody safe by monitoring their every move.

Ya, that's the ticket, not BIG Brother, just security.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.

About the park thing? Your comment must have gotten removed once again. I'm not seeing it.

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 12:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, I was just told that I have been ***BANNED!***

Guess I've been a baaaaaaaad boy.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.

Sorry. I know quite a few who post here, post on other sites as well. Whether it be FB or other. This is the only one I post to. I posted on Drift's site once way back when, but screwed up with my password..twice. (a man's gotta know his limitations:) And I posted on Politico once, (something about a comedian who passed) but had no interest for other.

Anyway...I hear there is life after banishment!

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 2:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


They won't tell me what I said to get the axe but I think it was because I told someone to "take a pill and go to bed".

I know, I know, too much, over the line. Well, what are ya gonna do.

Have a great weekend, next week is going to be nice.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Looks like they MAY have the second suspect cornered...

ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 4:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And if it is the second guy, sounds like he's been shot but could still be alive. Very sketchy details - Sounds like the police are chasing everyone away from the area of the pier where this is going down.

roger — April 19, 2013 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye -

There are 3 or 4 people on facebook (Madore, Lew Waters, Deb Peterson) who I've noticed just have to show up and it's like the red cape with the bull with you. I think it was Waters who tried to convince you that you two were saying the same thing one time.

On the other hand, if this was the comment that elicited a response about chocolates and a book, I fail to see that what you said was all that bad. There are people on there who get extremely insulting on a regular basis and nothing is done to bring them in check. When Marshal Matt was running the show we knew the limits (whether we liked them was a different story) and he enforced them. Nowadays - who knows what's acceptable anymore?

roger — April 19, 2013 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 19, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.

House to house warrantless searches are presumed unreasonable and as such any evidence of a crime would be inadmissible in a court of law. Court cases concerning the searches in the aftermath of Katrina support my opinion. If a person gives consent anything found in the search could be used against them, if they do not it can't. What I would do is not give consent but not interfere with their illegal search.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My mistake - The boat he's hiding in is in someone's back yard.

roger — April 19, 2013 at 5:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal




roger — April 19, 2013 at 5:01 p.m

Now they are saying they have three people under arrest for questioning. From what the news my husband is watching they say the three are from the same dorm as the younger suspect. But who knows, so much BS coming in from all the medias hard to weed out the truth. I did hear today the 2 yrs ago the FBI was TOLD by a foreign country to watch the older of the 2 brothers.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 5:13 p.m

IF anything happened here like in Boston, you can bet your last dollar I would allow the police to come in my home and on my property and search it. I would want the peace of mind knowing no bomb, no suspect is here.
I have nothing to hide, I do not break the law therefore I have no problem with warrant or no warrant.

ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"House to house warrantless searches are presumed unreasonable and as such any evidence of a crime would be inadmissible in a court of law. "

good luck with that in this case. If you didn't notice from the network pictures, the police state has arrived and manifested itself-entirely. We're screwed. Many will now feel that the semi-fascist regimes currently in place are justifiable. Storm troopers in the streets-lucky us.

Get ready. As the economy continues to crumble, more folks fall into poverty, and the retirement losses continue, it appears our loving and caring governments are prepared for the backlash. With austerity measures now implemented, ever so slightly, just wait. The next time they'll see how much further they can go. As competition between corporate America and the 99%-pick a number-escalates for government-read taxpayer money-increases, who do you think will win? Hint-Wall St will defeat Main St every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

It may not be over until it's over, but the fat lady is warming up. Meanwhile, we continue to circle the drain. A little closer, but closer.

mrd — April 19, 2013 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 19, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.

When's the last time you drove through Portland? or Seattle? or Vancouver BC? or San Francisco? or Los Angeles? or New York City? or Munich? or Athens? or London? or Tokyo?

Care to show me where traffic has improved thanks to any kind of commuter rail, light rail included in any one of these cities???

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.

I will always stand by our Constitution, because I am a Conservative. Whether or not I have anything to hide does not enter into it, I will never give the Government permission to search my home, person, vehicle or anything else for that matter. People who claim that rights don't matter if "you have nothing to hide" are causing the collapse of our Constitution.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Suspect #2 is now in custody.

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 5:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Boston police just confirmed they have younger suspect in custody.

ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 5:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I suppose this one will have to end here - Even if they do tie these guys to a group back in Chechnya, old Vlad sure as hell won't let us send drones or Seal Team Six. And he may be chuckling a bit too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/657330.stm

roger — April 19, 2013 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 19, 2013 at 5:10 p.m

John just wrote me and said there were two comments that got me. One was to Lew ,and one was to Deb. Funny thing, I went back and looked and a whole lot of people have disappeared, not just me. One was that goofy lady, I forgot her name but her avatar was a little weird dog or something like that. Neither comment was that bad, I think someone just got a wild hair and decided to clean house. I wonder if Lew got dinged as well. I haven't seen him post today.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 19, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.

If there was someone like these two young men, loaded with explosives wandering around in my neighborhood and had just blown apart the bodies of friends and neighbors...and officers came to my door...I'd want them to make a thorough search of each and every inch of my property...top to bottom. That's what they're paid to do...to protect and serve.

And I'm a Conservative as well.

What's causing the collapse of our Constitution are the executive orders being thrown out left and right which reduce our freedoms because of jackasses like those terror-related individuals who are out to kill the innocent, to cause fear, confusion, injury and death...NOT the police in a massive manhunt for a crazed, injured terrorist....compounded with the FACT that our judicial system is too lenient on these people AND the FACT that people abuse what the constitution stands for in order to protect the hides of worthless individuals who are repeat offenders and to protect the hides of foreign nationals who are using our judicial system and our jails as revolving doors AND the FACT that there are political figures who believe there needs to be MORE government control of the people. THAT's what is causing the collapse of our US Constitution....and THAT'S my opinion on the matter.

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 5:57 p.m.

I've noticed Lew hasn't been posting very much lately...even on his blog. Must be he's got a life beyond FB and wordpress. Lot's going on with regards to the battle with the LRC these days, lol.

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye - Interesting - You mean Tiffany. She's one who has gone off the deep end. I wonder if Mike Yancey survives the cut? And for that matter, maybe I need to go see if I'm still alive.

So, when you get booted, is it for a set period or permanent? Are you given the opportunity to atone for your sins? There's that guy Greg who seems to come and go a lot - he's been booted at least once, because I searched for a comment that turned out to be gone.

roger — April 19, 2013 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 19, 2013 at 5:46 p.m

I understand, I'm a Conservative as well. I still would allow the police to search IF something like what happened in Boston on Monday happened here.

I have second what Golden said "*What's causing the collapse of our Constitution are the executive orders being thrown out left and right which reduce our freedoms because of jackasses like those terror-related individuals who are out to kill the innocent, to cause fear, confusion, injury and death*"

and "*the FACT that there are political figures who believe there needs to be MORE government control of the people.*"

ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 19, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.

Now, now, holycrapola...your "So is build as you go, plan as you go and hope for the best..." comment is exactly what has gotten Portland into Deep Doo Doo and why MAX and TriMet are considered by many as a failure, especially when you look at their budget flailing needlessly and hopelessly in red ink!

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If you support government expansion to the point that they are coming into our homes, you are NOT a conservative. I suggest you look into joining the democrats, they have always been supportive of unbridled government expansion.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 6:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro...you do know there's more than one type of Conservative, don't you???

goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 19, 2013 at 6:14 p.m

I did NOT say I agree or support government expansion.

I said; "I understand, I'm a Conservative as well. **I still would allow the police to search IF** something like what happened in Boston on Monday happened here."

ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 19, 2013 at 6:02 p.m.

Yea, I think that's her, Tiffany. She's a bit strange. I think she's gone, yesterday she was going on about "old white guys" and I told Lew she didn't hate old white guys, she just hated him. That got me bounced. And then I admitted to Lew that I was one too. That whole string disappeared. I don't think Yancey is gone, he posted today. I don't know if they are going to let me back, this is my second strike. I have to talk to Lou.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Breaking News is Broken: this fantastic Slate article tells me why I would have better spent my time cleaning out my gutters than glued to Twitter and the TV during this manhunt:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/04/boston_bombing_breaking_news_don_t_watch_cable_shut_off_twitter_you_d_be.html?utm_source=tw&utm;_medium=sm&utm;_campaign=button_toolbar

manthou — April 19, 2013 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 19, 2013 at 6:14 p.m

So fro, are you telling me that if there was some crazed idiot on the loose in your area, you wouldn't let the cops look around your property? What are you hiding or afraid of?

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Following the discussion about FB - I tried to post on FB, twice, 2 or 3 weeks ago on different days. My posts never went through. There was nothing which could have been construed as offensive in my comments. Used my real name, and provided contact information. I was never contacted by phone or email. I don't know what's up with that.

kn_dalai — April 19, 2013 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye and roger: what happened to the First Amendment on here?

It fries me that journalists abandon fair, balanced, and accurate reporting, threaten readers who have been wronged with Anti-Slapp suits, yet delete posts on the FB side left and right for expressing an opinion.

I think the Columbian produces responsible journalism (unlike Frank Blethen's rag), but I don't get the sanitizing of the FB comments.

When was the last time any of us were banned here? Any of our comments deleted? Are we simply more civil with each other or have we developed our own e-relationships that let us tolerate and forgive each other's passions more?

There is a sociological study in here somewhere.....

manthou — April 19, 2013 at 6:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.

"What are you hiding or afraid of?"

What I'm afraid of is our Constitutional rights being trampled into the dust.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 19, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.

"Fro...you do know there's more than one type of Conservative, don't you???"

Regardless of what a group may call themselves, if they believe in expansion of governmental authority, they are not conservative.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou - As near as I can recall, we've only had two people bounced since the split. Allen, who apparently threatened someone (I had my own issues then and wasn't around much), and some guy who called himself alleycat who liked to sail boats, ride motorcycles and harass Editor Lou. I liked that alleycat; he was for rugged individualism and would never have rolled over and meekly accepted the inevitability of light rail or anything else.

Actually, I think we've got a few things going here. Smaller numbers allows (requires?) the relationships and tolerance. Facebook is mostly short info bites; here we can more closely approximate talking and actually saying something. Facebook people, for the most part, just post on a subject or two; we're a bit more well rounded here and tend to weigh in on lots of subjects. Which allows us to at times agree with and at times disagree with each other - just like real life. And, though Goldie doesn't like the practice, we have the ability to post videos here - and music does soothe the savage beast. (Especially Nails.)

roger — April 19, 2013 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Can someone please explain to me what it means ( I seen on a ticker on the news) That Miranda rights are not for the suspect right now....means?

ELISI — April 19, 2013 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 19, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.

Allen got booted for a mildly offensive statement, but he did post several times that he had been warned. Sportyjames got booted, but I don't know why, he did enjoy getting Allen riled up, and did so the day Allen got booted, so that may be why. Alleycat got booted fro arguing with Matt about some pictures of a strange vehicle in his neighborhood that he posted.

frobert — April 19, 2013 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I didn't watch the circus today. Not much, anyway. My Dear Ol' Woman watches the news from the time she gets up till she leaves to slave away at the manufacturing plant. I normally leave the channel be until the 700 Club is over. Pat comes on after the news. Yeah, I (an atheist) enjoy watching Pat, Terry and the crew. I guess I'm a bit of a freak that'a way.

The 700 Club was preempted by the circus. I was bummed, man. I switched to the music channel (rock) early.

I'm amazed a 19-year-old kid could shut down three cities. No, let me rephrase, I'm amazed law enforcement would shut down three cities due to a deranged kid. What was the point? If they see someone walking down the sidewalk then it must be the purp? I don't get it.

And no, I have no interest in having anyone poking around my place. Whether I'd admit the coppers to have a look see (without a warrant) would depend upon the circumstances I guess. I don't want to give a unilateral, "Hell no," but chances are slim I'd willingly acquiesce. I'll handle my own, thank you.

It's funny you'd mention sociological studies, manthou. I was wandering about the backyard just today wondering if a certain commenter wasn't a socialogical student - given their penchant for "fart in a skillet" posts. I mean, what an experiment, eh? Oh, I'm sure there's been many thesis' already published on the aspects of the "e-community," but there's always room for one more undergraduate, right?

I hope the kid lives.

And can tell us why.

Drift — April 19, 2013 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh, and I almost forgot... I doubt the Columbo does much (if any) monitoring here. My guess is as long as nobody tosses a red flag, "out of sight out of mind."

I've considered dropping an "F" bomb just to see. I haven't because someone would undoubtedly complain (fouling the experiment) and some might simply find it insulting. And, I like posting from time to time. I wouldn't want to get tossed.

Did you know the word "fornication" goes back to arches in a building structure? It's derived from the Latin, "fornix." I descovered this while doing some research on brain cancer. I done tol' you about that though, huh?

I'll go now.

Drift — April 19, 2013 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — April 19, 2013 at 6:46 p.m

The First Amendment got lost in the "community guidelines". It seems to supersede any and all amendments. Apparently you can't say anything that might offend anyone or call anyone names (here as opposed to Washington politicians) even though it could be totally deserved. Oh and there seems to be some sort of exception for politicians or people that have run for office or Lew.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Frobert, you seem to use the words Libertarian and Conservative interchangeably. David Nolan, was one of the founders of the Libertarian Party. There are some variations on the Nolan chart, as it’s called, but it decidedly shows a difference in those two, as I’ve discussed before. I've found the basic idea behind the Nolan chart to be concise and accurate. For this country anyway.

[http://www.nolanchart.com/faq/faq8.php][1]

And to others: the first amendment applies to government censorship. The Columbian newspaper, FB, Mother Jones, Leftist rags and other privately owned businesses, have no obligation to publish what ever someone else wishes to have disseminated through their privately owned enterprises.

[1]: http://www.nolanchart.com/faq/faq8.php

kn_dalai — April 19, 2013 at 9:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Understanding those who value labels.

**Social identity theory**

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-social-identity-theory.htm

nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 10:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 19, 2013 at 10:19 p.m

Yea, that makes sense.

hawkeye — April 19, 2013 at 10:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal



April 19, 2013 at 10:19 p.m. - Nailinhead.

No, it doesn't make sense, as it nothing to do with defining words.

Labels? Well now, isn’t that just a convenient little way to fluff off an important part of philosopy which is about the meaning of language.

If there is no common understanding of the meaning of words, there is no way to understand one another. A real problem in this political thing, when everyone goes around having their own, and differing definitions of political ideas.

If this is your mentality, then it’s time you finally stopped linking to your Merriam-Webster site to define words as you have so frequently done.

kn_dalai — April 19, 2013 at 11:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Understanding:

**Psychological Projection**

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-psychological-projection.htm

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*"DeeLittle, Just who the Fu%^ do you think you are to talk about Boston in that way? What gives you the right? You think you are better than everyone else? You are a lowlife piece of crap for comments like that. Instead of being a narrow-minded ignorant cuss, open your eyes! There is so much turmoil right now here in the states! Come on!" - andrecht — April 19, 2013 at noon*

well, for starters, i think i'm an american citizen with 1st amendment rights.

now, about the gist of your...disagreement. if i'm being absolutely honest, yes, i *do* think i'm better than some, much worse than others.

i'm glad you suggested i 'open (my) eyes'. i suggest that to you, also.

you see, it's not Boston *per se*, it's the fact that it's a university town. like san francisco, like new york, like seattle. big on *change the world!* but not so great on studying why whatever it is became that way in the first place, and what would be the consequences if it WAS changed or eliminated?

and when that 'whatever' is a constitutional amendment, AND ONE OF THE BILLS OF RIGHTS to boot, that work had better be done **carefully and thoughtfully**

you wanna require background checks, ban 'assault' weapons, freeze the amount of ammo a citizen can have? you want to eliminate the 2nd amendment? wellll.....this is a perfect reality lesson in what happens if you do.

now you can open your eyes and try to see from my pov, or you...don't. up ta you.

oh...one more thing. ever since the boston marathon, ***we are ALL Bostonians***

DeeLittle — April 20, 2013 at 12:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal



"I said; "I understand, I'm a Conservative as well. I still would allow the police to search IF something like what happened in Boston on Monday happened here."

The police state must appreciate this type of attitude. So many folks are into the same mindset it must tickle the hearts of the fascists that trample on our civil rights. While many line up to buy guns and ammo as they are afraid their perceived "rights" are to be lost, they'll give them away convinced their rulers have their best interests in heart in another sense. Think about the constitutionally protected rights now denied accused drunk drivers, drug dealers, and now "terrorists"-the bad guys.

No one seems to mind-as long as the government is after someone else. Soon, they'll be after you. Then what? You want to wait until there's a drone hovering in front of your living room window? The fascists will say watching your every move is for your own good-they want to provide you security. Yea right. They're simply enhancing their own security, don't kid yourself for a minute. If you have any doubts, a few looks at how the police state is operating in Boston should convince you. As the standards of living continue to crumble in the US, the need for the state to protect itself will grow. For proof, again, look at the pictures from Boston, riot-clad, auto weapon armed government agents controlling the streets from armored vehicles. Small wonder the US is ranked 17th in terms of personal freedom. But at least corporate Amerika profits from our enslavement, and that must be good. After all, even while things are going to hell in a handbasket, the Dow is up, so it's all good.

mrd — April 20, 2013 at 2 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Soon, they'll be after you.*

mrd — April 20, 2013 at 2 a.m.

This is exciting! Please let us know when. Can we bring our pets and will they let us watch Matlock reruns?

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 7:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd- Would you mind printing your source for *Small wonder the US is ranked 17th in terms of personal freedom*? Thanks.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Press Talk was another "tease", holyc: drumming up reader interest for a future story. Creating suspense. Giving us a little tidbit so we hang around for the full meal. Keeping this paper alive is more important, I guess, than any story of national interest. Hyperlocal news first.

I will say this: reporters CAN withhold facts and manipulate the context of a story to give a false impression or to promote an agenda. The First Amendment CAN be abused by them.

I like John McManus' SMELL test for journalism. Subject any story to these questions and you will be able to judge how responsible and ethical it might be:

S is for Source. Who is providing the information? You should look for conflicts between the source's self-interest and our interest in honest information. The presence of such a conflict doesn't invalidate the information, but it does alert us to a likely slant. It tells us what kind of bias to look for and how high to raise our skepticism shields.

M is for Motive. Why is the source providing this information? Is it primarily designed to inform, persuade (including sell), or entertain? How can we tell?

E is for Evidence. What evidence is provided to support the thesis or gist of the story or message?

L is for Logic. Does the news or information make sense? Do the generalizations or conclusions follow from that evidence? Is it compatible with what we already know?

L is for Left out. What is missing either through ignorance or intention? Which relevant facts or stakeholders are absent or marginalized? What alternate conclusions might the facts support?

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Neuroscientists have found that brain cells can, in fact, regenerate even in the large and advanced parts of the brain.

What happened?

jasonb — April 20, 2013 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 20, 2013 at 6:50 a.

*Too many questions, too few answers so far. But here we are, discussing about a feud about a museum with 4 airplanes and social blah blah blah.*

Totally agree. But then again, maybe it's better for all if editorial opinion stays quiet on this.

Lou hasn't exactly been tossing out literary gems as of late.

I don't think they've found their narrative nuts since last November, when unexpectedly...

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd @ 2:00 am: I would have to agree with you that many folks don't care if the government violates citizen rights as long as someone ELSE is the target of the violation.

Problem is: they don't understand. When the government erodes anyone's civil rights, they are eroding YOURS as well.

Our justice system is supposed to protect even the most hated and feared among us. Put terrorists and sex offenders on that short list. I would wager that the majority of the public would be all for throwing out the 14th amendment or any constitutional protection promised to ALL in certain situations. String 'em up. Lock 'em away and throw they key in the toilet. Forget about a trial.

The US does not work that way, in theory anyway.

I did make note that the Federal prosecutor on this Boston case, Ms. Ortiz, is the same prosecutor who was the target of a nationwide petition to get rid of her after she harassed Aaron Swartz to suicide. Yesterday, she was falling all over everyone to get to the mic and to hold the spotlight. She expects big political payback for her good luck of being still in her job for this high-profile case.

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I've heard a lot about violating citizen rights because of narrowing a search to capture and foil an immediate terrorist threat. I'm not seeing it. What happened that you disagree with?

I didn't hear reports of police/others searching homes, authorized or not. It was reported they went door to door questioning people.

This was an active immediate threat to our population.

What are we to expect of law enforcement in a situation such as this?

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: I am just ranting in general here. It is alleged that the police did not read the suspect's Miranda rights because of the high public safety threat he posed. There is a Supreme Court precedent for such a decision.

I am just expressing an opinion that the public, in general, tends to want to dispose of civil rights for certain classes of hated citizens without realizing that they are advocating for the erosion of their own rights.

I do have concerns about Carmen Ortiz and her over-zealous approach to Aaron Swartz's case. She has been disciplined in the past for prosecutorial overreach. She is now in charge of this Boston bombing case, so I think she should be watched. I believe her misconduct in the past is due to her self-promoting political aspirations.

This is a heinous crime and I trust justice will be served. I just don't trust this federal prosecutor's ability to keep her personal political goals reigned in.

Just google "Carmen Ortiz" and "misconduct."

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I get it manthou. These are great subjects for discussion. It's unfortunate by & large we only have town halls come election time. To debate/ask questions to our elected in real time would be great, on many matters.

How about this? Each elected member of Congress must spend a minimum 5 hours per week with their constituency as part of their job description, whether it be phoned town halls or open. Communication with our elected seem to be confined to form letters and hope.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If it were up to me, nail, I would administer the MMPI 2(Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) to all persons running for office. Really.

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou, I'd at least make them play Jeopardy before an election!

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A good question for the moment with regards to privacy and future situations such as Boston, I think is again..

What are we to expect of law enforcement in a situation such as this?

I am catching myself siding with ELISI and goldenoldie on this. (so I know I'm screwed up somehow>just kidding :)!)

I can't imagine being aware of an active immediate terrorist threat to my city or country, to include WMD, and not allowing the Feds to search because my boxed in ideology won't allow it.

Sometimes overwhelming circumstances call for common sense solutions.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


HolyC- I'm in favor of home protection also. Whatever people feel safe with.

You mentioned something a couple of days ago I thought was great and merited more discussion. It was a concern about people gathering in large crowds.

Overseas Military & DOD terrorism briefings were ongoing and frequent, much due to location/travel/operational needs. Roger/anyone else familiar with AFN must remember the anti-terrorism PSA's that were run (and still are) around the clock along with other informative spots. There was definitely an uptick in frequency following 9/11. Anyway to point...

We should have something similar here. PSA's which speak to non-specific terrorist threats. What to look for, large gatherings, how to best respond, travel advisories, scenario's etc.

Knowledge is always a good thing. What people do with it is something else. We need to be well informed as a people.

These types of events are not going away, and the public truly is the first & last line of defense.

The fraction of terrorist events which come to fruition should be dealt with in a sane prepared manner, as much as possible.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: The revocation of Miranda rights for the bomber. I read this linked article a few years ago, but didn't hear much more on the topic and thought it died. I guess not. This ability of the government to deny what we consider rights is all hunky dory when it involves foreign terrorists (or other criminals), but I'm not liking the ability to do this to US citizens. And I really don't care for this either - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared, “United States citizenship is a privilege. It is not a right." There may be limits on invoking this revocation, but the attitude that citizenship is a privilege leads us further down the road to the government in power being able to curtail what we consider rights.

We need to keep this kid locked away with no bail. He's a citizen, so he should have every right observed - just like each and every one of us would want if we were arrested. And once found guilty, he should get life without parole. Same as with Ted Kaczynski.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/05/hold-m10.html

roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.

The bill to redefine Miranda rights did die in the house a few years ago, however Holder issued one of his "memos" expanding existing exemptions.

As far as Hillary's statements, the Supreme Court has ruled differently see Afroyim v. Rusk.

frobert — April 20, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

Yep - I remember all the AFN warnings, travel advisories, etc. The only ones I bothered to follow were the ones that said dress like the locals and quit walking around advertising that we're Americans and expecting that everyone should kowtow to our desires. Learning a bit of the local language helps too! I was more worried about my car being vandalized, especially in places like Italy, due to our having the different looking US Forces license plates (something corrected after I left Europe).

My personal experiences (throughout Europe, Central and parts of South America, and Korea) is that if you act respectful toward the people of country you're in, most will reciprocate. I was warned a couple of times that "bad people" (someone waiting for me to walk into an unprotected area to rob me) were watching.

Mind you, I'm not advocating stupidity - I've been a couple of places where I'd never take my family or travel alone. Going to almost anywhere in Mexico is risky these days. But to be honest, I felt a lot more in danger traveling through neighborhoods in Chicago and in LA than during 99.9% of my travels overseas.

To address what you suggested, we're only going to pay attention to the advisories for so long. Remember the Homeland Security color coded terrorist threat levels? We took this seriously for a short while, and then began making jokes about it.

We can't live in fear. And having a little muscle isn't a bad idea either. Though, to be honest, the only one I've kept has stayed locked in the strong box for a whole lot of years, except for an occasional cleaning and oiling.

roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert,

Thanks for the update. These past two Administrations (Bush II and Obama) have milked this War on Terrorism every way possible to try and bring the citizenry under control of the federal government. It's why I dislike both major parties; they want to control the people, and allow corporate America to operate with minimal control. I'd rather see it the other way around.

roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.

roger- Nothing like threat level fear type stuff. Common sense categories like I mentioned. We have the most imaginative minds in the media world. I'm sure a little info about emergency preparedness would be welcomed as well as entertaining.

I'm anything but a fear monger, but these types of attacks will happen again. Frequency will determine how pro active we become as a society. We are a melting pot with great stove watchers, but sometimes a watched pot does boil.

It's how we clean it up and maintain enough heat is what matters.

Again, knowledge is a good thing.

We can't project future success if our judgement lies in past failures. We're going to have new problems in this 21st century (besides transportation:) and we need forward thinking ideas to not only shape the future, but to bring healing salve and closure to the past.

I really agree with holycrap about new ideas and engaging young people to help shape their generation.

..

*Obama) have milked this War on Terrorism every way possible to try and bring the citizenry under control of the federal government.*

roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.

Would you please expound?

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 12:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just curious, does anyone ever check fro's *updates*? mr_basil_seal used to try and keep him honest. At this point I've learned better than to beat a dead horse because logic turns into futility far too often.

Anyone who would take fro's *legal* posts with less than a bag of rock salt, are you fact checking, or just going along for the ride?

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: I agree with your opinions at 10:12; 10:45 and 10:55 am all the way.

Did you know that my personal cell phone was "scrutinized" right after the 9/11 attacks because I was making what some government yahoo determined were too many phone calls to a friend in NYC? My carrier rep let that slip when I called to ask about not having access to my online account all of a sudden. What the heck?

This was also during the time the FBI was doing all that surveillance of the Portland 7, buzzing the Beaverton mosque during the dead of night with their planes.

I called and left my voice mail a detailed message: who I was, who I was calling, that, while I supported The Patriot Act in theory, listening in on the private conversations of a meek and mild, peace-loving school employee was a bit over the top. I asked them to kindly put their effort into something more productive. However, if they wanted to scrutinize my friend and I as we planned for our presentation to educators at an upcoming national convention (the REAL reason for my frequent phone calls to NYC), have at it. They might learn something for their trouble.

I can assure you all I am not crazy or paranoid. This happened. Some people might not care, but i think The Patriot Act and other presidential actions have eroded our privacy.

Some folks commenting on The Stranger's website are even complaining that the lockdown of Boston was an over-reaching police state action. Don't know if I would go that far, however. Common sense safety.

Anyway, it is a fine line and I think vigilant citizens should question some of the government actions that are sold to us as "safety" measures.

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*But to be honest, I felt a lot more in danger traveling through neighborhoods in Chicago and in LA than during 99.9% of my travels overseas.*

roger — April 20, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.

LOL well yeah, you're talking war zones! We've had more than one visitor miss their freeway turnoff and exit at H Street in Vegas, and either come up missing or found dead. I'd rather be in Bagdad than South Central! :)

My guess is you finished overseas duty before 9/11, otherwise that 99.9% figure would be different. Animosity towards Americans has increased several fold, to include our friends in allied countries..big time.

It does depend on where you are at. But disdain for America, much of it birthed from the Iraq invasion, is quite a factor.

I think many Americans underestimate how far reaching anti American sentiments run, how deep, and for how long we will be paying a price for Iraq. I've been home for awhile, but I'm sure these trumped up drone strikes murdering many more innocents than targets aren't helping either.

We tend to think the war's over because of paper and fewer troop presence, but as you and I know...it's all in how you define war.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.

If you are questioning my posts do so, implying that they are bogus without being specific is cowardly. You should have the courage to specifically say so, and risk being proven wrong.

frobert — April 20, 2013 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I can assure you all I am not crazy or paranoid. This happened. Some people might not care, but i think The Patriot Act and other presidential actions have eroded our privacy.*

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.

My wife and I were talking the other day about being monitored overseas after 9/11. You could literally her "the clicking on the other end". Sometime delays then the click.....It's real alright. The patriot Act authorized all overseas communication, to include American, to be listened to, as well as E-mail etc.

Obama's continued this much to my dismay.

Having said that, there have been potential events detoured we're not aware of. Measures taken which have helped our country avoid homeland casualties though sacrificing issues of privacy.

These guys have a tough balancing act.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*implying that they are bogus without being specific is cowardly.*

frobert — April 20, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.

It seems to be the methodology you live by fro. Wha'ts good for the goose...what did Mitt say, sauce for the gander?

If an open request for fact checking irritates you than I'll be the last one to say it's a red flag and validates somewhat my asserti...never mind.

mr_basil_seal.....come back mr_basil_seal.....come bac.......

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.

Basil would question something specific, He is no coward. If you doubt what I have posted, question it specially and feel free to use reliable links to support your position.

frobert — April 20, 2013 at 1:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A coward! Oh my God! ...errr..I mean Oh my Gawd! I am so offended! You have truly injured me and I'm devastated. I'll try and recover...okay.. you win.

This is the Nanny Goat moment you've longed for.

Nanny...nanny...nanny goat.

There..

*If you doubt what I have posted, question it specially and feel free to use reliable links to support your position.*

frobert — April 20, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.

Specifically, just backtrack each individual post from frobert — April 20, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.

fro, many times I don't respond to your posts because they are completely ridiculous. Like the latest banning all private sales thing. It took more that your original post to go to bring it out.

You twist basics until they fit your odd understanding of Ayn Rand libertarianism, to include misunderstanding and disingenuous rants.

Of course that is my opinion.

On another note, you seem to miss basil. I think it's kinda nice.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Al D'Amato: 'You've Got To Be A Jackass To Be Voting Against Background Checks'**

Former Sen. Al D'Amato (R-N.Y.) had some harsh remarks for lawmakers who voted against a gun-buyer background check bill earlier this week, saying he thinks "you've got to be a jackass" to not support background checks.

At an event for Democrat Dina DeGiorgio, who is running for town supervisor in North Hempstead, New York, D'Amato said he was disappointed in his party over the vote, Patch reports.

"By the way, I'm a Republican. I'm not always very proud of what our party has been doing, particularly lately on the national level," D'Amato said. "I think you've got to be a jackass to be voting against background checks for people buying guns."

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/al-damato-background-checks_n_3122881.html

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou, Roger, Nail, my calls to Germany after 9/ were also monitored. The click... So noticeable. On top of that, my calls to a friend with whom I used to discuss politics on the phone, were likewise monitored. He lived in Pasadena, Ca, and we lived in another suburb down there. What was so sad, was the fact that my family in Germany always told me to be nice and polite on phone because the Americans were listening in. How sick and twisted is that? I used to rant about those who authored the Patriot Act. How sad that piece of garbage got renewed.

luvithere — April 20, 2013 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit- I remember a scandal within homeland security several years back that involved a bunch of HS employees making fun of citizen private calls. The most salacious stuff they would play for all to hear.

Also the initial outrage with the Patriot Act, then as time went on..we forget until the next freedom endangering event happens.

On the other hand, I totally agree with not mirandizing this U.S. citizen supposed bomber citing the public safety exception. This situation is tailor made for it.

A few hours before capture, this guy allegedly not only bombed the Marathon, but was throwing bombs in neighborhoods, executed a peace officer, car jacking, kidnapping, thought to have more bombs and you name it.

Solid intel has this guy pegged as the one. The worst thing in light of events would be to have this guy lawyer up. The first 48 hours should not only involve his rights, but the citizenry's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. imo. :)

Interrogate this cowardly bastard and get info we couldn't had he lawyered up. I'm sure the victims families would like to spend time with him.

BTW this sob is at a hospital with several of his victims.

amen

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, all: I just read that the surviving suspect took a bullet to his throat and has tongue damage and, therefore, is not able to speak yet.

Wouldn't it be the ultimate irony if he were rendered mute by his wounds?

I assume he has good keyboarding skills.......

manthou — April 20, 2013 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry Nails, he needs Miranda. Otherwise, they can throw it all out because he did not get his rights read to him. He might be a dirtbag, but he is a citizen dirtbag. We cannot apply rights as we see fit. This is a country of laws.
Do I think he deserves anything? No. But where do we stop?

luvithere — April 20, 2013 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well manthou, so if candidates for office are supposed to be tested, then maybe potential voters should also be tested? Maybe a literacy test? Sounds all too familiar.

BTW, with a degree in mechanical engineering, you can bet that frobert is well versed in physics and math. Logic has never been a problem with frobert, as it obviously is for some. Reminds me of my earlier contention of a difference in mental and emotional makeup of Left amd Right.

kn_dalai — April 20, 2013 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


To clarify, my second paragraph above, was not necessarily directed to you manthou. Meant to be a generic thing.

kn_dalai — April 20, 2013 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Otherwise, they can throw it all out because he did not get his rights read to him.

luvithere — April 20, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.

No, they cited the public safety exception.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails - Correct. I returned here in April 2001.

Luvithere - Correct; even that little dirtbag deserves to have his rights observed. Hopefully the ACLU takes Holder to court over this, either for real or in the court of public opinion. If they're allowed to get away with this unchallenged, we're one step closer to that day when dissidents will live in fear of that late night knock at the door.

roger — April 20, 2013 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's the FBI's analysis of the "public safety exception." Quarles, abu Mezer and others made statements before having their rights read, and these statements were admissible because of the danger to the public that existed at the time of the arrest - the police asked where a weapon was, whether there were more bombs - questions of that nature. From what I've read and heard, this kid was down after a shootout with the police, had all weapons taken from him, and was subdued and in custody. There was no further danger to the public at that point - his rights should have been read then.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/february2011/legal_digest

Having said this, I can see an exception. If there's credible evidence that these brothers were part of a larger organization planning more hits, being denied a lawyer until he's been subjected to some chemical loosening of the tongue would be in order. Anything said would be inadmissible during a trial, but I'd say they already have enough to lock him away for life. If my memory is correct, the evidence against those others would have to be corroborated independently, but knowing who they are should help with that.

roger — April 20, 2013 at 7:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal




roger — April 20, 2013 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 20, 2013 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just a short review by some noted historians of the administration of justice.

roger — April 20, 2013 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Having said this, I can see an exception. If there's credible evidence that these brothers were part of a larger organization planning more hits, being denied a lawyer until he's been subjected to some chemical loosening of the tongue would be in order.*

roger — April 20, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.

Exactly. This is a unique case. Given his age he might be easy pickings for good interrogation. I'm getting sick of seeing this bastards face in the news. His brother spent quite a bit of time overseas last year, possibly in preparation for Boston. We need to know the breadth of this operation and if it involves another government.

nailingit — April 20, 2013 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Anybody know where I can get GOOD navel oranges? Everything I've found is either really dry or mealy.

hawkeye — April 20, 2013 at 9:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


california

DeeLittle — April 21, 2013 at 1:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 19, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.

Now Roger, that's not fair. I like the videos...most the time (even Lucy and Charlie Brown..8)...). It's just slowing down certain systems...mine included. I've found a way around it, though. I just disable my Adobe Flash Player and I can scroll down the list of comments with ease.

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 5:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Geez, Louise...what the heck has happened??? I take a day away from the forum...from news in general...pack up and head to the mountains to inhale some of that wonderful fresh mountain air and load up on a batch of firewood in the truck...found a few critters worth a little extra peek (western newts, bald eagles nesting, an osprey chasing a bald eagle away from their nest...life)...

I come home...turn on the news...

And am appalled at what I'm witnessing!!!

Yes, they got suspect #2 in Massachusetts. Good work by the police and everyone involved. They did what they were paid by the people to do. Yes, the suspect is injured. Yes, the uncle is angry at his nephews. Yes, the aunt is questioning the situation...that's not what's bothering me.

What's bothering me is how people are profiting off of this situation. What the "he.. (okay, I'll say Heck)..." And this "We Are Boston...???" What do they think it was, a tea party???

**NO. WE ARE NOT BOSTON!**

***WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!*** We're a resilient group who overcomes the worst of criminal and terror attacks...we have in the past and we will most likely...again. Yes, the marathoners were under attack, but so was the rest of the nation. Nobody knows just how big this group is...if the two young men had accomplices.

Stop the hype. Allow the families to heal and the judicial system to do its job.

Dang...!!! This is a time where I truly loathe capitalism.

I'm headed for the hills for another day of "LIFE"...see ya!

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 5:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


how appropriate...

On 4/20...I chose a natural high, inhaling fresh mountain air and observing nature, gleaning felled timbers in a designated firewood cutting zone while others were...well...

You know.

Guess some things never change, lol.

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 6:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger at 7:47 pm: It's already happening, man. Have you been following the two young people who were held by the Federal Government for 5 months (2 months in solitary) as a way to pressure them to name names in the May Day protests in Seattle? I do believe at least one of them was not even in Seattle that day.

They were finally released in late February after the negative publicity caught up with the government.

This Stranger article should be read. The LA Times covered the story, too:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/freedom-is-frustrating/Content?oid=16403520

manthou — April 21, 2013 at 6:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Live and let live, holyc.
_________________________

I do not begrudge Elson Strahan one penny that he earns. I am sure he is worth much more. When journalists publish CEO salaries, it is intended to stir up the envious masses and get the "let's you and him fight" going.

So, yes, you published a fact.

Yawn.

manthou — April 21, 2013 at 7:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 5:58 a.m.

"They did what they were paid by the people to do"

Under the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office, which Massachusetts uses, the first duty of a police officer is to uphold the Constitution of the United States. When they kick in doors and do warrantless searches they are not doing what they are paid to do.

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't mean to be redundant, but maybe a few, (like me) sometimes go two or three days absent from C news coverage.

I hope Mr. Laird will gift us with a write once in awhile after he leaves.

The best of the C will be gone soon. Wonderful, inspiring write.

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/ap...

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Here's the FBI's analysis of the **"public safety exception."** Quarles, abu Mezer and others made statements before having their rights read, and these statements were admissible because of the danger to the public that existed at the time of the arrest"

seriously, how long does it take to Mirandize a suspect? I timed it-8 seconds. The exception sound good to the police, go figure, but doesn't to me.

mrd — April 21, 2013 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_W7Xs...

Part of the healing process...

I'm not a hockey fan but,

GO BRUINS!

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 21, 2013 at 9 a.m.

The right to remain silent is lost when administering "truth serum" drugs. Why tell the suspect this if we don't plan on abiding by it? I agree he could have been read his rights, but am willing to live with an exception IF DOJ has some sort of evidence saying they were part of a larger plot rather than acting as a stand alone operation.

If Nails is correct with his inferred suspicion this ties to the older brother's visit to Russia, would the younger brother have any names to provide? Possibly - depends on how much older brother talked. And I'm wondering if we pass any info gained from interrogation to Putin whether he'd feel obligated to take direct action against the group involved. As near as I can tell, the Chechen separatist groups have been pretty quiet since the subway suicide bombers in 2010 - He may not want to stir them up again.

I do find Holder's position on this a bit inconsistent with his position on the detainees on Guantanamo, though. Those guys are not citizens, yet I sort of recall he wanted to pull them away from military control and allow them their day in the civilian courts. This kid is a citizen.

roger — April 21, 2013 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — April 21, 2013 at 9 a.m

Of course you can always just keep your mouth shut if arrested, or better yet, don't do anything to get arrested in the first place.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.

" or better yet, don't do anything to get arrested in the first place."

Because innocent people never get arrested?

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


only you, fro. only you

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal



I found this on The Mirror..

**Boston bombers: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev**
21 Apr 2013 00:01

Police believe the pair were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.

The FBI was last night hunting a 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to the Boston marathon bomb brothers.

Police believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.

More than 1,000 FBI operatives were last night working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston in the hours before Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture after a bloody shootout on Friday.

A source close to the investigation said: “We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844

ELISI — April 21, 2013 at 10:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 21, 2013 at 10:27 a.m

yes, and how many of them WEREN'T read their rights? I'll bet- ZERO!

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.

John T. Williams was not read his rights before he was shot in the back by a Seattle police officer.

Otto Zehm was not read his rights before being beaten to death by Spokane police.

James Chasse was not read his rights before being beaten to death by Portland Police.

Aaron Campbell was not read his rights before being shot in the back by Portland police.

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — April 21, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.

A little skeptical on this report also. We'll have to see if mainstream America news picks this up. So far it seems to be limited to the UK and fringe sites.

We should know pretty quick with this one.

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 21, 2013 at 10:57 a.m

Nice way to change the subject to your own needs. None of them were arrested, were they? We weren't talking about people in conflicts with police, were we. We were talking about Miranda rights.

Doesn't apply.

Sorry, try again.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal



ELISI- I know. So far it's limited to the UK and fringe sites. There is something currently developing. CNN just announcing a deleted video of a major Jihadist leader/group from the alleged bombers youtube account has come to the forefront. This story might gain traction. All this is so much wait & see at this point..

This guy might have nailed it.

**Boston jihad bombers hail from Russia's Caucasus, "breeding ground for terror" where rebels have "close links with al-Qaeda"**

AP says: "Militants from Chechnya and other restive provinces in Russia's volatile North Caucasus have targeted Moscow and other areas with bombings and hostage-takings, but if it turns out that the suspects in the Boston bombings are linked to those insurgencies it would mark the first time the Russian conflict had spawned a major terror attack in the United States." But characteristically for the mainstream media, they're missing the point (probably willfully): t**he Boston Marathon jihad bombings were not a strike of the "Chechen insurgency," which has never hit America before, but of the global Islamic jihad, which has struck in America before.**

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/04/boston-jihad-bombers-hail-from-breeding-ground-for-terror-russia.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/about-robert-spencer.html

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 11:31 a.m

I also found this..interesting that Putin "offered help" in this.

**Was Boston bomber inspired by Russia's Bin Laden? Mother claims FBI tracked older brother 'for FIVE YEARS' after being told by Moscow of links to Chechen terrorists**

Russian intelligence services warned agency about Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Convinced he was in 'direct contact' with Islamist militants
May have been inspired by Chechen rebel leader man known as Russia's Bin Landen - Doku Umarov
Believed to be behind some of Russia's worst terrorist atrocities
But FBI later discounted Tamerlan as a threat, despite telling his mother he was an 'extremist leader'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312331/Was-Boston-bomber-inspired-Doku-Umarov-Mother-claims-FBI-tracked-older-brother-years-told-Moscow-links-Chechen-terrorists.html

ELISI — April 21, 2013 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


As a side note, I posted the about Robert Spencer for a heads up. He seems to have both credible and questionable associations and history.

Having said that, a broke clock is right twice a day. If this does turns out to be a coordinated/otherwise Jihadist statement, it certainly won't improve Muslim American relations.

ELISI/Others

What a bummer people become so screwed up as to do something like this.

After this media framing of a 'young easily influenced baby faced teenager influenced by his older brother' crap is over, and after this complete waste of life is sentenced to death for this gruesome atrocious act, I hope his remaining days awaiting execution will be spent not only reflecting on how wrong he was, but fearing for his life every day he waits.

The same head trip sentence he has inflicted on countless Bostonians and fellow Americans.

This creep is the worst of the worst.

Sometimes a trial, sentence, and execution doesn't seem like enough.

Not emotion here, just focused. Our justice system will send whatever message it can to the rest of the world, but it won't mean squat to these freaks.

The war continues...

[how's that for a liberal;]

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 12:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 12:13 p.m

LOL sounds more like a conservative to me..;)

ELISI — April 21, 2013 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I hope his remaining days awaiting execution will be spent not only reflecting on how wrong he was, but fearing for his life every day he waits

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 12:13 p.m

Unless I missed something, Massachusetts doesn't have a death penalty.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.

He'll be charged under federal law, convicted and dosed with American justice.

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Was it you, holyc, that was asking: Why are we not discussing the alleged hijacked driver?

I have heard people on TV ask: how come he was lucky enough not to be killed?

Could it be that the hijacked driver was really an accomplice? Is that why we have not seen an interview?

You can better believe that he is being questioned thoroughly by a skeptical FBI.

Another person that was questioned deeply, his home searched and clothing seized: the cowboy hatted Good Samaritan walking beside a wounded Jeff Bauman, clamping his femoral artery in his hand.

The Feds are checking everyone out.

manthou — April 21, 2013 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> Sometimes a trial, sentence, and execution doesn't seem like enough. -- nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.

I once gave my reasons for opposing the death penalty and you agreed with me. What's going on here? Well, I guess we're all allowed to change our minds.

kn_dalai — April 21, 2013 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai and frobert: I am with you both today in your comments.

That, and a couple of bucks will buy you a latte somewhere. I think. :)

nailingit: Still respect you.

That, and a couple ...............

manthou — April 21, 2013 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This just in the NYT today:

Even as a special team of interrogators made their way to the city to question the suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, Mayor Thomas M. Menino of Boston suggested that the suspect’s injuries were such that he might not be able to communicate for some time.

“We don’t know if we will ever be able to question the individual,” he said in an interview with ABC News.

The authorities said Sunday that they believed that Mr. Tsarnaev had tried to kill himself, based on the gunshot wound to his neck.

The injury “had the appearance of a close range, self-inflicted style,” a senior law enforcement official said. “He’s not in good shape.”

The wound, and the fact that the suspect is sedated, have prevented him from speaking. Law enforcement officials and forensic experts can typically determine how far a weapon was from the body when it was fired based on the appearance of the wound.

manthou — April 21, 2013 at 2:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.

I was talking about your comment "don't do anything to get arrested in the first place", and pointed out that innocent people are arrested every day, and often gunned down or beaten to death by the police.

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 21, 2013 at 6:29 a.m.

Aww...po' li'l goldenoldie. She's not going to join the brain-numbing 4/20 crowd...brought to you by the wonders of our fearless leaders making it easier for you to distort your perceptions. Instead, she's going to enjoy every day of her life as though it were her last. To think....she doesn't want to purposely (or accidentally) inhale burning leaves from noxious weeds. Instead, she'd rather breathe the most fresh air the Pacific Northwest has had in decades...maybe even a century. To think...she'd rather inhale the wonderful scent of spring flowers, and to hear the birds sing and watch nature unfold as spring continues to bring the awesome natural hues and wonders our world can provide. To think...she'd rather observe a tiny spotted fawn hop gingerly behind its mother as its sibling does a sneak attack or witness an osprey dive into the water, grab a fish...then shake the excess water off it's feathers then return to its nest to feed its downy-fluff of a hatchling. To think...the breathtaking view of Wapiti (elk) silently move through the dense forest, stepping as though they purposefully avoided stepping on the delicate trilliums on the forest floor.

Yeah...poor ol' goldenoldie.

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


once gave my reasons for opposing the death penalty and you agreed with me. What's going on here? Well, I guess we're all allowed to change our minds.

kn_dalai — April 21, 2013 at 1:37 p.m

No change. My reasoning against the overall idea of capital punishment was and still is, we get it wrong in so many cases, we should disallow it.

That state thing.

When it comes to prosecuting acts of domestic terrorism involving the use of WMD's which cost American lives, said act warrants the death penalty imo.

Somewhat utilizing the same thought process when advocating stiffer penalties for using a gun in the commission of a crime.

I'm sure there are other exceptions also. My fundamental reasoning against the death penalty hasn't changed.

Extenuating circumstances aside.

nailingit — April 21, 2013 at 3:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — April 21, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.

8))

Regarding "Following Sean..." I see it has high ratings, something worth checking out. I get the slightest feeling (wink, wink), you have realized that I don't follow Mainstream America and I don't give in to peer pressure. I trust my own gut instinct and my instinct tells me that marijuana, narcotics...even certain prescription drugs which alter my thought processes are strictly taboo. My "get away drug"...finding that quiet place in the mountains...especially those with fantastic views...sitting down...closing my eyes and just listening...no sirens, no cars and trucks...no noise other than the wind rustling through the treetops...listening to the trees dance and watching a bird or two glide in the winds. If you have never experienced that...then you're missing something. My next "get away drug" will be to sit under the stars out in the middle of nowhere...no city lights...just the stars and the planets and maybe a few meteorites dashing across the skies, along with the countless satellites and blinking lights of jetliners headed to faraway places, leaving my mind to wander where it is they are going.....

And the beach...another great place to just let your sensory skills go to work.

Regarding possessions...for anybody who surrounds their lives with the haves, they're clueless. For anybody who has endured life with the have nots, they've learned to appreciate what the world outside of the realm of society has for them and possessions are nothing more than materialistic toys to pacify them as they have not been able to fully grasp the meaning of life. Some of us who have experienced both ends of the spectrum tend to forget what it was like when we didn't have and when the rug is pulled out from under us...we're left in a daze. And others...we keep in focus of what is important in life...and it doesn't include toys to pass the time. Peer pressure is a strong mind game...a game of wits and wisdom.

But then again...this is just my little ol' goldenoldie opinion.

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow!!! To change the subject for a moment, it looks like some Portlanders won't be happy until they run every employer of consequence out of the central city area. Daimler and others on Swan Island, represented by the Associated Oregon Industries, are pushing back. It might be time for CREDC and David Madore to go calling on them - there would be enough credit to share if we could convince a couple of those businesses to relocate to our Port industrial area.

roger — April 21, 2013 at 4:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holyc...a final comment then I'm outta here for the evening.

People don't have to travel to the mountains or anywhere else. Just stopping for a moment and listening...REALLY listening...will bring surprises and an inner good feeling. It could be sitting at a park, listening to children play, sitting on your patio or veranda...even at a family dinner. Every day, we let so much go by (especially by those of us posting here on the forum regularly, although by the numbers for this week...looks like a great discussion week amongst us fools who enjoy a good thought or a good laugh or two).

Imagination...a powerful tool - Do you really know what sand feels like under your feet? Or what about when the sun reflects on the water whenever there's just a slight breeze...I call the sparkly little waves "Heaven's little diamonds." They're too numerous to count. Have you ever wondered why dragonflies sit on a branch or a leaf for what seems like hours???

My point??? Escaping the rat race if even for a moment's thought is the best gift we've ever been given. None of us should ever take life for granted.

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 21, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.

roger...I can just imagine those gears crankin' away in your brain right now. If only the folks with the county would only take advice from the voters once in awhile....

goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 21, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.

And I was referring to that young man not getting his Miranda rights.

One subject at a time please.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I was talking about your comment "don't do anything to get arrested in the first place", and pointed out that innocent people are arrested every day, and often gunned down or beaten to death by the police.

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 2:44 p.m

Now if you want to talk about that, that's fine BUT, NONE of those people you referred to (with the exception of Chassee) were arrested and he was in the process but had not gotten to the point of Miranda as of yet so your argument is moot.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — April 21, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.

Last I heard, they were in the middle of building a new Corporate office building where ports-o-call is right now. They have been picked on by the people up on Portland Blvd. for years.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 5:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 5:44 p.m.

I was responding to your comment that if you don't do anything wrong you won't be arrested in the first place. Your comment was wrong and I gave examples. These four people I mentioned did not commit any crimes and still got murdered by police, and only one of those officers was even tried. The attitude that only guilty people is idiotic.

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fro, get it straight, will you?

I said, "better yet, don't do anything to get arrested in the first place."

Now if you want to change that around to fit your needs and then pick it all apart, go ahead but I'm not going to play your childish game.

--------------------------------------------------------------

On another subject, speaking of FOX;

People watching live coverage of Friday's manhunt in Boston on Dallas-Fort Worth's Fox affiliate with the sound off may have been startled when the network's closed-captioning identified actress Zooey Deschanel as the marathon bombing suspect.

"He is 19-year-old Zooey Deschanel," a caption shown on the local network read as police and FBI agents searched homes in Watertown, Mass., for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

"Oh come on," Peter Ogburn, a radio producer, wrote on Twitter, linking to a screengrab of the flub.

The "New Girl" star was alerted to the mixup through Twitter by fellow actor Joel McHale.

"Whoa!" Deschanel wrote. "Epic closed captioning FAIL!"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/zooey-deschanel-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-fail-202412271.html

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, where did you get that info on Swan Island companies?

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

In today's Duin column. And it looks as though OR House Speaker Kotek is weighing in on the side of the neighborhood association Duin interviewed.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/04/steve_duin_and_you_thought_the.html

roger — April 21, 2013 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.

You made the stupid statement not me, I am not the one refusing to back up my statements, I have posted support. I am not the one being childish, if your statement is not what you meant to convey, just admit it.

frobert — April 21, 2013 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — April 21, 2013 at 8:51 p.m.

I made no stupid statement. I said it's better to not do something to get yourself arrested in the first place. Is that NOT a true statement? Secondly, you posted support to YOUR version of my statement. Read them both, I'm sure you'll find the difference. Maybe not. Childish? I'll bet you are stomping your feet right now. My statement stands as it is, if you can find fault with it, in it's original form, have at it but you must realize it is, after all, my opinion. If you don't agree or like it, feel free to ignore it. As I will you, on this subject after this.

hawkeye — April 21, 2013 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal



*Escaping the rat race if even for a moment's thought is the best gift we've ever been given. None of us should ever take life for granted. goldenoldie — April 21, 2013 at 5:21 p.m.*

had my son here today, and had to run some tacky errands. as i pulled out of the driveway, my son jumped out of the car and said, "come look!"

at the top of a weeping willow tree overhanging the pond was my beloved osprey. he turned around to stare at me, then made a slow sweep over the top of the house.

***NOTHING*** is better than nature as it's meant to be. too bad my son absently tossed a stick into the underbrush lining the pond and disturbed a blue heron. wing span like a 747.

DeeLittle — April 22, 2013 at 2:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: Help me understand why residents who live downwind of Daimler should not be able to advocate for healthy air?

Will moving to Vancouver mean our residents are more tolerant of paint fume smells and won't be similarly concerned for the health of their families?

I sometimes think that some businesses DO take advantage of Vancouver's historic laxity in terms of environmental pollution. That is changing, especially with the CRC EIS controversy over air quality.

manthou — April 22, 2013 at 6:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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