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Another reason Chris Christie gets a gold star: his ban on 'gay conversion" therapy on children and adolescents in NJ.

Licensed psychologists and clinical social workers are not supposed to treat clients with therapies that are not evidence-based and violate their professional ethical guidelines if they do. Some, like Marcus Bachmann, however, appear to let their religious ideology trump scientific research.

Good for Chrisite: [link text][1]


manthou — August 19, 2013 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 19, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.

It's really going to be tough for me to decide who to vote for if Hillary goes against Christie. If Hill gets in it will be another four years of obstructionism and if Christie gets in, the Republicants will think they they won (I'd hate that) and they "might" try to work with him. I think it all depends of how the t party reacts to him. I know how they'll react to Hill.

hawkeye — August 19, 2013 at 1:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk!!! You'd submit to extortion?!

Drift — August 19, 2013 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You know Drift, it's the old Star Trek thing, what's good for the many......

I think Christie has got a good head on his shoulders. He's shown some moxie and willingness to do what's right for his people (New Jersey, that is) so I have to think he'd be the same as POTUS.

hawkeye — August 19, 2013 at 1:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Let's dig a little deeper into the big guys resume. Here's a couple of surface scratchers.

///Dear everyone: Chris Christie is conservative///

Here’s what’s odd about this Republican governor who currently seems much more popular with Democrats than national Republicans: He’s quite conservative. Especially for the Northeast. That was, in fact, his original appeal, back when conservatives were thrilled about him: He’s the most conservative possible successful statewide officeholder for a blue state like New Jersey.

In his first term, Christie torpedoed a much-needed mass transit tunnel project, same-sex marriage and early voting. He vetoed a minimum wage hike. He vetoed legislation designed to eliminate the gender wage gap. He withdrew from a regional carbon cap-and-trade agreement. He killed a Jersey version of the DREAM Act and cut funding for women’s health services, including eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood. Remember how pissed everyone got when Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives tried to do the same thing? Many liberals seem to give Christie a pass for his antiabortion views that they’d never give a “red state” Republican. (This is maybe because he used to be pro-choice, meaning he made the exact switch on the issue everyone trashed Romney for making.)

He’s not even consistently rhetorically moderate. In the past, while flirting with running for president, Christie has expressed doubts about evolution (which truly makes no sense, for a mainstream Catholic). He’s randomly vacillated on whether climate change is real or caused by humans, telling a town hall in 2010 that he didn’t believe in it, then in 2011 deciding that he did, and now simply dismissing the issue as a “distraction.”

Read more @

nailingit — August 19, 2013 at 2:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And then there is this question. Will Christie be like Romney and pull far to the right to win over the tea party folks? Old Mitt wasn't quite as bad when he started; look how much he turned. Will Christie get the same attitude adjustment behind the woodshed from the usual suspects?

luvithere — August 19, 2013 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvitthere, hawkeye et al:

shouldn't we be looking for a candidte who will improve the country? why does it matter if it's 'right', 'left', 'libertarian' or whatever?

i'm searching for a candidate who will bring the executive branch back to compliance with the constitution by adhering to it's allocation of power among the three branches.

one who understands the chess game that is international politics, and can win the game.

and one who can grasp the REALITIES AND IMPLICATIONS of the budget/debt/inflation consequences of his decisions.

what letter of the alphabet follows the name is irrelevant.

DeeLittle — August 19, 2013 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It is relevant as in our system the party selects their candidate, with all the baggage they can stick on him/her. Don't think I see a tea person running as a D.

luvithere — August 19, 2013 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From Temple Lentz ---

Here's our final rundown of candidates who have confirmed for tomorrow night's event. Looking forward to seeing and meeting everyone, talking about the Freeholder process, and getting to know the candidates! [Candidates, we'll be sending you an email shortly with a little more info.]

Dan Sockle Dist. 1 Pos. 2
Tom Lawrence Dist. 1 Pos. 2
Scott Edwards Dist. 1 Pos. 3
Rob Lutz Dist 1. Pos. 3
Tim Podhora Dist. 1 Pos. 3
Bridget Schwarz Dist. 1. Pos. 3
Troy Van Dinter Dist. 1 Pos. 4
Steve Foster Dist. 1 Pos. 4
Chris Lockwood Dist 1. Pos. 4
Randy Mueller Dist. 1 Pos. 5
Patricia Reyes Dist. 1 Pos. 5
Wendy Smith Dist. 1 Pos. 5
Ralph Akin Dist. 1 Pos. 5
Sherry Erickson Dist. 1 Pos. 5
Patrick Bourcier Dist. 1 Pos. 5
Joel Littauer Dist. 2 Pos. 1
Nan Henriksen Dist. 2 Pos. 1
Cheryl Bledsoe Dist. 2 Pos. 1
Diana Perez Dist. 2 Pos. 1
Jamie Hurly Dist. 2 Pos. 1
Lloyd Halverson Dist. 2 Pos. 2
Debbie Abraham Dist. 2 Pos. 2
Esther Schrader Dist. 2 Pos. 2
Judie Stanton Dist. 2. Pos. 3
Jim Martin Dist. 2 Pos. 3
Marc Boldt Dist. 2 Pos. 5
Anthony McMigas Dist. 2 Pos. 5
Pat Jollota Dist. 3 Pos. 1
Craig Riley Dist. 3 Pos. 1
Ryan Palmer Dist. 3 Pos. 1
Val Ogden Dist. 3 Pos. 2
Jeanie Schafer-Ringo Dist. 3 Pos. 2
Carolyn Crain Dist. 3 Pos. 2
Jim Moeller Dist. 3 Pos. 3
Jerry Keen Dist. 3 Pos. 3
Keith Bellisle Dist. 3 Pos. 3
Alice Williams Dist. 3 Pos. 3
Temple Lentz Dist. 3. Pos. 4
Michael Barry Dist. 3 Pos. 4
Gene Ringo Dist. 3 Pos. 4
Kyle Greenwood Dist. 3 Pos. 4
Adrian Gomez Dist. 3 Pos. 4
Jim Mains Dist. 3 Pos. 5
John Caton Dist. 3 Pos. 5
James Taylor Dist. 3 Pos. 5
Jackie Marsden Dist. 3 Pos. 5
Bob Carroll Dist. 3 Pos. 5

langenthal — August 19, 2013 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, I didn't see Roger on that list. Is this the thing at the coffee shop on 39th? If it is, there won't be any room for "the public".

hawkeye — August 19, 2013 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye --- No Roger listed & this is the soiree on 39th tomorrow.

Maybe they'll close the street and allow each candidate 45 seconds to speak or maybe they can just talk among themselves & get acquainted. Not much room for attendees from the public.

Marijuana is the subject of the City Council workshop on CVTV right now.

langenthal — August 19, 2013 at 5:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — August 19, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.

Everything listed in that article seems to have come from his first term. Who knows what he thinks now. I think I'll maintain a wait and see position. I only want what is best for the country.

First, completely overhaul the IRS.

Second, Change the retirement benefits for all of congress.

Third, Overhaul the way and amount we bribe other countries to "like" us.

Fourth, free duct tape for everyone, cause you can fix everything with duct tape.

hawkeye — August 19, 2013 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye: My favorite book: "It Ain't Broke, It Just Needs Duct Tape."

I don't know about showing up at Latte Da tomorrow. Yikes, the humanity! We need an auditorium.

manthou — August 19, 2013 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I like your suggestions, Hawk. especially the tape. Lets muzzle all politicians first.

luvithere — August 19, 2013 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 19, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.

How 'bout a ban on all forms of brainwashing (including political motivation)...PERIOD.

Let the individuals decide for themselves.

Holyc...maybe you've forgotten your childhood. Most if not all kids utilize the almighty power of one word and one word only...time and time again. They don't understand something...they don't get the answer they seek...and the number one word they ask till parents are blue in the face is....

wait for it....

here it comes....

And the almighty word I speak is...................................................


And how many children grow up...still asking questions and step away from the life of religion in their early adult years...only to return, not because they believe 100% that God is real but only because questions to this day are not answered and they need something to hope for...something to believe in, so they choose the path of religious rights and freedom. The foundation of rules of good morals and direction of life based on all that is good have evolved from religious teachings...or to look at it a different way...teaching religiously what is right or what is wrong.

To condemn others who believe just because you don't..........

Now I ask you this you believe in your point of view religiously? (taken as a definition by slang)

-Just some food for thought

goldenoldie — August 19, 2013 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I witnessed something this weekend which took my breath away. It hit so deep in my heart and I felt compelled to share this with everyone -

It was Saturday afternoon on the North Jetty at Cape Disappointment State Park. Three people stood tall, waving their USA Flags wearing a leather biker outfit, a cowboy hat and a yellow armband; the other two in regular street clothes. Next to them, a young man in a wheelchair. They had diligently pushed his wheelchair through the sand to the jetty.

At first, I thought...maybe they were honoring the soldiers or the fishermen...till I got to the jetty and saw yellow roses floating in the water.

So who was it for or why it was they were waving the flags???

A boat in the water...a boat which an honorable person was spreading the ashes of a fallen war I call a hero and the people on shore were saying "Goodbye."

The gentleman in the biker outfit was a proud member of the Patriot Guards...members of our military history who have seen it all...who painstakingly see to it that each and every member of our US military, both past and present are given an honorable escort to their final resting place. I waited till the group disbanded, all but a few were left. I walked up to the man in leathers and quietly asked who the roses were for and he shared. The family came around me, thanking me for asking and for joining them. I gave my condolences and I thanked our war hero, the Patriot Guard for all they do.

If it was any comfort for the family, I did say to them that I truly believed their loved one...the elderly patriarch of the family who passed...was smiling over them as they fulfilled his final wish and it was done with such dignity and grace.

Afterwards, I'd read the local paper and had noticed one obituary of a war veteran who gave back to his community tenfold...volunteering to help others and to teach all he could teach. If that was him, he was an amazing person. May he forever rest in peace.

goldenoldie — August 19, 2013 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I see no purpose in attending either gathering. The coffee house meeting appears geared more to the Vancouver movers and shakers crowd. And it runs from 5:30 to 8:00. I work in P'Town; by the time I get home, eat, shower, and change it'll be about 6:30-7:00. Seems kind of a waste to drive over to the west side for as little time as I'd be there. And in addition to the same time frame problems, the other gathering is to support the candidacy of Ann Rivers and Liz Pike. They don't need my help.

And I also have busy days this week. I've got 21 new cars in and have to work the exchanges. This means inspecting 21 turn ins and having to demand people prepare damage packets on at least half of them. By the time I get done, I'm going to hate people in general.

So instead I'll take a long walk, have a short visit with my friend Austin Nichols, and hit the sack early.

roger — August 19, 2013 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If anyone is interested ---

I want a County Executive and a clear separation of duties - What Stuart and Kimsey proposed is a great starting point.

I want people voting only for their own district Commissioner (or Councilor).

I want a strong County government; one that will represent the entire County, and one that will stand up to Vancouver City Council when in the best interests of the rest of the County. The current three districts seems to do a good job of providing for this; I see no real purpose to expand to five or more.

I still think this is mostly just an attempt to neutralize Madore, and to a lesser extent Mielke. Kindly recall we also had a strong Board with a slightly different leaning back in 2006 - Stuart, Morris and Boldt. I'd say they did a pretty good job - Bigger is not always better.

roger — August 19, 2013 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Thanks much for the clarification of your Freeholder positions.

I think the separation of powers and additional checks and balances that brings is critical, too, and favor an elected County Executive. I would be thrilled if Greg Kimsey were the first.

Madore is a Pied Piper. He has the magic and he wants to retain it. Yesterday, he hosted an open question and answer session on his FB page and the crowd lapped it up.

Yeah. I think many politicians want to neutralize his charisma.

manthou — August 19, 2013 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From Ron Goodman Clark County Citizens for Good Governance

Here is something new for the freeholder candidates among the group, and for those interested in the home rule process. A position paper written by former Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed in 1979 while he was Thurston County Auditor. The paper addresses the question whether a county should have an elected executive or an appointed administrator. I'll give you a hint: Reed believed the only path to "a real separation of powers with its attendant checks and balances [...] can only be fully gained by establishing an elected County Executive position." Now, it's up to you to peruse the 10 pages to discover what led him to that conclusion.;=AStFdS5K977QlG6ZbxZYtHbi5EhMmTlLTnea0wlFlOKt7R47B35lV4FyMO_kK8dSfF4&inline;=1&ext;=1376968149&hash;=ASuoeGSdZGSbziyb

langenthal — August 19, 2013 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger if you want a meet and greet,I would see if we could set it up at the American Legion.I do understand if you don't want to do it.You are also welcome to use my shop.I would have to bring in a few chairs.But I would be happy to help any way I can.

timerick — August 19, 2013 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

J.Mains has a nice web site, but confines his statements to “you can trust me to be a good listener” type of thing. Roger’s brief statements have already said more about how he views CC government to be set up than J. Mains. ‘Course, there’s a reason for people running for elective position to not say very much, but I’d rather know where they're coming from, rather than reading how they’ll be fair.

Personally, I’m not sold on an executive position but if so, I tend to think it should be elected by the voters not the BoCC.

I’ve just seen langenthal’s post. Thanks, looks like it addresses my questions.

kn_dalai — August 19, 2013 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift I got a little farther into your book.It just amazes me that you could land any planes.It makes me feel glad I was Army and not a Naval pilot.You guys are scary,but very funny.

timerick — August 19, 2013 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From Cheryl Bledsoe FB page ---

Three reasons you need to be at Latte Da Coffee Shop at 5:30p tomorrow night.....

1) You can speed-date a ton of Freeholder Candidates all in one place,

2) There is a blue moon which means anything is possible,

3) And because the gauntlet of "60 seconds to be fascinating and memorable" has been thrown down by Temple Lentz & Jim Mains.....this is what one might call a "recipe for [fill in the blank with your fun answer]"

So, be there with your camera phone!

langenthal — August 19, 2013 at 8:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And to backtrack a bit. (I got sidetracked a little.)

That's a touching image you've left in my mind at 6:37 pm, goldenoldie. I'm glad you shared that.

kn_dalai — August 19, 2013 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — August 19, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.

Good point to bring out luvit. The party selects it's candidate. So far we're looking at a much more conservative party than leading up to 12'. When names are being bandied about like Cruz, Paul, Ryan, and I read yesterday Trump is considering a run, it's sounding like a shoe in for Dems. None of these guys could win 270 electoral votes.

nailingit — August 19, 2013 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 19, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.

"Seems kind of a waste to drive over to the west side for as little time as I'd be there."

You don't need to be on time. Set up a folding table & chair outside the Latte Friggin' Da about a quarter of Eight with an couple of ice chests full of inexpensive ice cold bottles of water to pass out, along with your autographed statement of conservative themed proposals.

The Dems attending will love getting the free stuff, while the republicans will feel validated because someone said so. A win win.

Making A Difference-Making It Right

"I don't always attend Freeholder meetings, but when I do..."

nailingit — August 19, 2013 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It was a weird time for the Navy, timerick. Drug use was rampant and no one seemed to care. It's amazing we didn't kill ourselves or each other. Yes, there were a few fatalities, but I don't believe they were related to dope.

Fried Fred, Gator and Stone all live hear in the PNW. Out of the four of us Stone is the only one where he started from. I was out of Arizona, Fred from Montana and Gator Philly. We see each other several times a year.

Fried Fred now goes by the name Wild Bill. He has a bike shop in forest grove. Next month we plan to ride up to Edmonds, spending the night at Stones, and then catch the ferry out of Anacortes to hang out with Gator on Orcas. Cool, huh?

It sounds like you're enjoying the read. Sweet!

Drift — August 20, 2013 at 6:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ever since the Red Green show I can't look at a roll of duct tape without thinking of his statement. If you can't be handsome be handy. The segments about the many, many uses for duct tape was always a hoot. Has anybody seen any re-runs of that show lately?

Goldie that was without a doubt one of the most powerful images I've heard in a while. Thank you for sharing. In the last few years I've attended more funerals at Willamette National than I care to. When those guys show up they add something intangible but always moving to the ceremony. You can't describe it, it just is.

Roger, if you take Timerick up on his offer let us know, would ya?? And Timerick, I think if he does you will be overflowing the shop. LOL Let me know and I'll bring more chairs. Timerick, when you're done may I borrow that book?

JohnCasey — August 20, 2013 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I could set those coolers and handouts on a card table and not even have to be there. I'll have to give it some thought.

"You lost me when you said Latte Da --

"Stay thirsty my friends"

roger — August 20, 2013 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal: Sam Reed was my favorite Secretary of State for a variety of reasons and you just gave me one more at 8:13 pm.

Clark County's main problem is a lack of checks and balances right now. The citizens are trying to provide this important oversight, but many of our efforts get brushed off and marginalized simply because a majority of two, any two, can make policy on their own.

The Executive, if we get one, should definitely be elected by the citizens (those who care enough to fill in and submit a ballot).

This is a very critical time for Clark County right now. The best way to take the temperature of the constituency is through elections.

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I wrote all three CC Commissioners and respectfully expressed concern over the possibility that crony appointments are continuing under Don Benton's "administration." I asked for assurances that CC hiring policies and procedures are followed for all job vacancies and that they give fair consideration for all applicants, even those who are NOT friends or political allies.

Our taxes should go to pay salaries of highly-qualified individuals, no matter what their political affiliation. In fact, any public employee should never engage in political activities on county, state, city, school time.

So far, silence. Nada.

This has flown under local reporters' radar so far, but a couple of crack investigators up North are sniffing around like hounds. Cannot wait.

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 6:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou: Do you use the twitter machine? Stephanie Rice mentioned that the last day of Benton's admin. assist. is Aug. 22, and someone has asked Rice about the hiring of Chris Clifford. It seems like I heard in a board time audio that Benton was given permission to fill 4 vacancies in the dept, but I'll have to double-check that. Can't wait to see what the up-North folks find.

Speaking of our fine county, I watched last week's C-TRAN meetings and (as usual) listened to the board time. Barron's post-board-time lesson given to Madore on work sessions was entertaining (and hopefully helpful to Madore). Honestly, I'd almost pay for those board time audios -- they're that compelling (in a bang-one's-head-against-the-wall sort of way).

pfaffmachine — August 20, 2013 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

pfaffmachine: Damn. I don't Twitter. I don't FB. I know I can check out FB and Twitter of those who do, but with limited access sometimes.

I will check out Stephanie Rice's Twitter, for sure!

I do know that someone is looking into possible law violations with these crony appointments: someone with better resources and smarter than I, for sure. :)

Ya gotta ask the questions of our elected officials. They count on us being comatose.

Anti-cronyism laws have had mixed popularity, but, for those states that have passed them, I truly believe it is a WIN/WIN for both parties. We should never hire public servants based on their political or religious ideology. Never. We should hire them based on their talents and experience to fulfill the job qualifications. Period. Think of Brownie and Katrina. Public safety is at stake sometimes when a department head is an unqualified crony.

I will try to catch the C-Tran meetings. I have been concentrating on BOCC Board Time every Wednesday: always an entertaining 2.5 hours of fun and games.

Thanks for the info!

manthou (aka "berninamachine")

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JohnCasey I will let you when I am finished with Drifts book.Be forwarned it is not for tender ears.It does put justice to the old saying he talks like a sailor.But very entertaining.

timerick — August 20, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Temple Lentz: You go, girl!

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manthou — August 20, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well said 7:18 last night... I will take the walk to the coffee shop with my little best friend...Should be interesting ...Hopefully will see a few dwellers there..

vanwadreamer — August 20, 2013 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You guys would begrudge a man his beer money?! Heh.

Timerick is right, JohnCasey: To say I cuss like a sailor is an understatement. You can go to Amazon and review a few pages. The book definitely isn't for "everyone" - only the most discriminate readers ;^)

Drift — August 20, 2013 at 9:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Deja vu.

Only in this particular case the City _does_ have perview over recreational cannabis stores. I say "in this particular case" because they didn't have the authority to pass zoning regulations for medicinal cannabis collective gardens. I believe I've used the phrase "ultra vires act" here previously. That is wholly applicable to the garden thing.

Wait and see what transpires here though. This is going to go the same way as the gardens. The City will inact zoning so restrictive it'll amount to nothing more than a ban. I'll bet ya.

From the article: "In December, the council voted to limit medical marijuana collective gardens -- which aren't part of I-502 -- to light industrial and heavy industrial districts, even though people testified the rules were too restrictive. The gardens must also be 1,000 feet away from schools, community centers, parks, childcare centers and other collective gardens. The rules took effect in January, and principal planner Bryan Snodgrass said so far no known medical marijuana collective gardens have been established."

Uh, that might very well be because a 'true' collective wouldn't dream of notifying the City of an activity what aint none of their beeswax.

I see the council meeting isn't up on the CVTV yet. I'll have to watch when it is. I'll have a barf bag sitting here when I do. Sick, I tell ya. They make me sick.

Drift — August 20, 2013 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou and pfaffmachine ---

If you didn't watch Bill Turlay last night, you missed his mention of attending a "spaceholder" information meeting.

I watched the various transpo meetings last week also. DM is an Energizer bunny and not in a cute way either. He is healthy and has stamina. He's several moves ahead on the chessboard. The Q & A on Facebook looks like someone who is gearing up for a campaign and I don't mean for Clark County anything. He can and does delete anything that he doesn't want in his "permanent record".

Speaking of deleting, I posted to an APIL awhile back. Pat Jollota replied and now only her reply and S Rice's are there.

Pfaffmachine, I think you're reading my tweets. Ha!

BoCC meeting now.

langenthal — August 20, 2013 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal: I saw the tweet about placeholders. We need youth in office quickly. Or elderly folks who cleared the cobwebs out of their brain first.

I am watching the BOCC meeting and all the wrangling over this first issue over rural zoning, still going on.

Please tell me Madore and Mielke's myopic push-back has nothing to do with the staff member's color or country of origin?

They just brought on Carol L, a rural resident who testifies often and carries a lot of clout and gravitas, and maybe they will listen to one of their "own" better. Maybe she will carry the day.

Stuart did accuse Madore of using "black and white" thinking.

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Stephanie Turlay is taking up time complaining about dirty air kicked up by vehicles traveling on the road outside her house and having to clean the dust off her patio weekly.

Now she is complaining about the wind kicking it up.

At least Mielke realizes it is dry right now and that many of her complaints are out of our control.

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 11:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou you would think that Ms.Turlay would be keeping a low profile and stop complaining about most everything if she wants Mr.Turlay to win the mayors job.It makes me wonder who would mayor her or him?

timerick — August 20, 2013 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Let's hope Clark doesn't devolve into another Polk

///Iowa Polk County GOP Co-Chairman Resigns, Says Republicans Are 'Too Conservative'///

Brown told the Register in an interview that his decision was spurred by the influence of the Christian right and National Rifle Association within the GOP, as well as Rep. Steve King's (R-Iowa) controversial comments last month comparing young, undocumented immigrants to drug mules. While House Republican leadership condemned King's comments, many of his colleagues remained silent on the subject. The congressman also continues to serve on the House Judiciary Committee.

[[[Read Brown's full resignation letter here:]]]

Dear Polk GOP Executive Committee Member,

I am writing to inform you that I changed my voter registration to Independent today – severing all ties to the Republican Party. Having been a Republican all my life, I did not take this decision lightly.

Having spoken with a pastor and having prayed about this for hours, I came to the conclusion that this is my only recourse. I’m disappointed with the Republican Party at the National level. I’m disappointed with the Republican Party at the Statewide level. I’m disappointed with the Republican Party at the Countywide level. I find it increasingly difficult to defend issues and statements made by Party leaders and officials from all three levels.

I decided to get back in this arena following the “contentious” 2012 Polk County GOP Convention. I was upset by what happened at the conventions, and I entered into the arena with the intent to help fix the problems. However, I think this level of dysfunction is not going to be fixed any time soon.

I donated time and financial resources to the Polk GOP and haven’t had a good return on my investment. In the 2000 Presidential Election, the Polk GOP lost Polk County by about 16,000 votes. In fall of 2000, the Polk GOP had no headquarters. The Polk GOP had no paid staff. The Polk GOP didn’t even have a working telephone number. Fundraising was minimal.

In 2012, the Polk GOP lost Polk County by over 32,000 votes. Until 2002, Republicans were elected to the State House from Des Moines. In 2012, Republicans lost 2 State House seats in suburban, Republican-leaning districts and came two dozen votes from losing a third. Facts are stubborn things. I think we are now headed in the wrong direction on several fronts and regretfully must step aside.

It’s my opinion that rather than fix the problems that led to such a massive 2012 defeat, the GOP does not seem to seriously want to fix the issues. I think helping a dysfunctional Party that does not want to address its problems is enabling. I do not believe in enabling. I debated this for weeks and am certain this is the only course.

I wish you the best of luck,

Chad Brown

nailingit — August 20, 2013 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, here's a thought....

This is about the people still sporting those pretty OREGON license plates on their cars while living tax free on this side of the ditch. If they truly have businesses in Oregon (and their vehicles are registered to that business) and live here, require them to post the name of the business and it's contact number (or web site) in at least 1 1/2 inch high letters on the vehicle. Why would they complain, I mean, it's just a business vehicle, isn't it?

hawkeye — August 20, 2013 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's a thought alleycat,

It IS my business when people cheat OUR State out of the taxes THEY OWE. It puts a burden on everyone else including me. I pay my taxes, I don't shop on your side of the ditch, and you can kiss my dumb***! Also, I worked on that side of the river for 25 years paying your taxes and not getting anything in return so I guess I do have a say in it.

hawkeye — August 20, 2013 at 5:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 20, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.

A rather interesting reaction to a good idea by hawkeye which I support. What is it you have to hide, holyc? Your little smiley face doesn't hide the fact that your reaction was quite terse.

Why should those of us who abide by the law and pay our fair share; we pay our taxes, licenses and tabs and insure our vehicles as we are required to do BY law allow the slackers to continue to get a free ride (that is...till they're caught)?

goldenoldie — August 20, 2013 at 5:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — August 20, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.


goldenoldie — August 20, 2013 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye...if Oregon's Governor and promoters of the failed CRC get their way...and according to Miss Andrea Damewood on an interview done by Lars Larsen earlier today, they just might...

We'll be double taxed on that damned CRC crap if we need to use the I-5 Bridge. Portland is so screwed up...they're talking about a blanket tax to help bail out the financial woes of Portland's City Hall...double taxation of their own people for heaven's sake!

goldenoldie — August 20, 2013 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.

That part about endless reams of paper and a quagmire sounded a whole lot like a candidate for a federal managerial job.

roger — August 20, 2013 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oregon State law requires that Ted Wheeler bless Oregon's funding for the CRC.

This letter sounds like a man who has some serious heartburn with what's going on. He was already unhappy with the tolling analysis back when both states were playing, and from this letter he never had that dealt with. Now he's piling it on. I think his goal is to get the legislature to refuse to return to session and amend the bill they passed earlier- the one that includes the little caveat that Washington needs to kick in our cost share, among other things, before their bill becomes valid.

roger — August 20, 2013 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Yessir, it does sound like a gubment job. :) I told Temple Lentz tonight that her blog is eerily spot-on so many times......I love her humor.

Just got back from the Freeholder "convention" at Latte Da. Great turnout: nearly 100 audience members and many of the Freeholder candidates, so the patio was packed, but surprisingly comfortable. It helped to have some good food and a cold beer.

roger, Temple called your name and the other candidates in your "heat" and prefaced it with, "Here's who's NOT here tonight." Got a good-natured laugh and no one holds it against anyone who could not make it.

I have to tell you, there are only two (count 'em, 2) candidates I heard tonight that would not get my vote. One was Carolyn Crain. I have seen waaaaaay too much of her and know how obstructive and lecturing she is. I never can get past her bitchy presentation to actually listen to what she has to say. Sorry, Carolyn. You will get other votes and won't miss mine.

The other definite NO was a fellow who said we have to put God more in county government. I think He already is there, sitting next to Madore, so we don't need any more of that talk, thank you very much.

I did notice a new fellow that was running against Pat Jollota and he earned my vote on his 1 minute speech. He is the owner of Torque Coffee roasters downtown and his name is Ryan Palmer. Sincere, youthful, and made me feel that we need some new blood in the Geritol mix.

Everyone else emphasized civility, compromise, and doing something about the choke-hold that is strangling county government. I give you all a big pat on the back for putting your name and commitment out there.

Way to go, rog. Wish I could give you my vote, too.

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: As an Oregon PERS retiree, Tier 1, I know that there is a whole lot of pressure on the OR legislature to convene a special session in September to get some serious work done on pension reform. It did not get done with the vigor the Republicans want and rumor has it, we will see some cuts for inactive PERS Tier 1s like moi next month.

With this CRC resurrection rumors, it may sweeten the motivation to meet in September and kill two birds with one special session stone.

We will see, I guess.

manthou — August 20, 2013 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou, just a question, if you will.

Was that you I saw walking to the library passed the old city hall the other morning around 8am? Wearing a dark backpack? Just wondering.

hawkeye — August 20, 2013 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye: This 2010 Oregon article lists a hot line number and email address to turn in Oregon license plates scofflaws.

It drives me crazy, too.

I think it still is in operation:

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manthou — August 20, 2013 at 8:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just back from the freeholder "convention" (ha!). Manthou: I agree with your assessment about the event at Latte Da. Gosh, if more political gatherings were like that, more people might get more involved and pay better attention to how their community is run. The mostly non-partisan aspect was refreshing, IMO. I wished I could vote for almost everyone (and concur with Manthou's exceptions). And yes, Ryan Palmer is a name to watch. The Torque Coffee operation is a thing of beauty and a much-needed addition to downtown.

Langenthal, I hope I'm reading your tweets! Agreed, Turlay's "spaceholder" comment was priceless. So many meetings to watch, so little time.

pfaffmachine — August 20, 2013 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye come sit at my shop some morning and we will write down all oregon lis#.People that cheat cheat us all.that money pays for roads and several other things.HC should stay on his side.He contributes nothing to the good of our state.And I am like you I buy nothing on the other side unless I can't get it here.

timerick — August 20, 2013 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou: No Bernina yet for me (and I'm jealous of yours), but perhaps my relatives will add one to the collection (I seem to be in charge of the family repository, which includes one grandmother's 60's-era Pfaff, the other grandmother's treadle Singer, and my mom's 1960 Brother (made in Japan). Love the lack of plastic in these machines. They're beautiful, and tough, too!

pfaffmachine — August 20, 2013 at 8:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Holyc stick it in your ass.I have been self employed for 40 years.I have paid all tax's and fees.I have put a payroll out to the tune of 300k for years with 3 to 4 employees.Never have I cheated the government.I have supported this community in every way that I could.We have done all the youth sports,4H.and every veteran fund raiser that has been done here.Your twisted view of business here is bull shit.

timerick — August 20, 2013 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

right on, timerick.

You know what, HC? I've met timerick. He ain't rich (like most of us) but he's honest. That's more than what I can say for YOU!

hawkeye — August 20, 2013 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm having a hard time connecting with the attitude that state employee pensions, once earned, can be cut because we don't want to budget to pay them. And what really gets me is that the ones clamoring to do this are often the same ones who say people who are underwater on their home mortgages entered into a contractual obligation that they should honor.

But I suppose my view is a bit tainted. I was an extremely undercompensated AZ state employee for a few years back in the '70s. And as I recall, in those days a good union factory job still paid far more than a teacher made. States were poor - These benefits were promised to attract reasonably qualified people. Failing to meet these obligations is one more sign of overall moral decay.

roger — August 21, 2013 at 5:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The police "staked out" the schools a couple of years ago and issued warnings to those with OR tagged cars dropping their kids off. The Columbian noted a fairly impressive number of warnings issued - enough to support that this is a major problem. I'm thinking this went by the wayside when budget cuts started happening. There's a new scam now. Find someone you know on the bus route, and tell the school your kids need to be dropped off at their stop because they're your after school day care. Look for the Oregon tagged car waiting by the stop, and watch the kids heading straight to it from the bus.

roger — August 21, 2013 at 5:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Timerick's shop does quality work, and is highly recommended by the local GSA Fleet Management folks. I'd say Hawkeye's assessment of him as honest is one that's universally shared by my peers in the various federal agencies that use his shop.

HC's comment at 8:40 last night is off the mark. You cannot compare the small business with ties to a community and the large, impersonal corporations who are only in business to make as much money as possible. The local business tends to care about its customers, while the corporation cares about itself.

roger — August 21, 2013 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 21, 2013 at 6:09 a.m

First off, why are you sticking your nose in this, you don't have a dog in this fight since you DON'T live here.

Second, who cares if it's "the tip of the iceberg"? You have to start somewhere.

Third, I don't want to go after the people that legally are licensed in Oregon, just the ones that aren't legally licensed here so why do you care?

Buzz off!

hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


After reading that last comment I'm getting a clearer picture.

HC - as much as he tries to deny it - still worships the almighty dollar. And he transfers his values onto others.

Timerick cares about some of the "old fashioned" concepts which appear to have gone out of vogue - Things like integrity and honesty.

It is kind of hard to be an old geezer in this modern world where everyone is expected to have a "me first" angle.

Tim - Thanks for keeping the old ways alive.

roger — August 21, 2013 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye @ 8:06 pm: Not me. I haven't worn a backpack since 1971 when I went to Europe on five dollars a day (thank you, Arthur Frommer).

pfaffmachine: I also have a Singer treadle red eye and a Singer 1940's Featherweight 221. Both I rely on more frequently than the bells-and-whistles computerized Bernina. They still make treadles for countries without electricity! Fantastic machines.

So you were at Latte Da! What positive energy, eh? A woman seated next to me said: "We should all send David Madore and Don Benton thank you notes. Without them, this (meaning the Freeholder movement) would likely never have happened." I know it is uniting people. Many Republicans last night expressed concern over Don Benton's hire. His own party does not like him.

roger: Oregon's Tier 1 PERS plan has a "Money Match" promise which doubles what you have in your account at retirement. Some high earners (professors, superintendents, HR Directors (are you listening, Steve Goldschmidt?) are earning well over their annual salary, some as much as $20,000 a month, in retirement pay. I have not included retired college football coaches, which top the scale. Tier 1 also has a guaranteed rate of return of 8%. So folks like me, who could have taken the money out when we were 58, left it in to grow. The state wants us out and are threatening reducing guaranteed rate of return for inactive PERS members, which would significantly reduce the monthly benefit. The legislature has cut back on COLA payments, but that is expected to be challenged in court. The governor is trying to entice the Republicans to accept taxes for this drastic PERS benefit cut and wants that September special session.

So many inactive PERS members rushed to take their retirement before July 1 this year to protect their Money Match and guaranteed rate, that the savings will no longer be as great as the governor promised.

I guess something has to be done to reign in this Tier 1 payout, but most of the fat checks are already being cut. Mine is very humble and I could not live off it without supplementation.

I think this PERS issue will be combined with the CRC funding controversy and almost guarantee a special September session in the Oregon legislature.

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Funny thing. The Oregonian has an article on this PERS issue and the September special session today:

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manthou — August 21, 2013 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Another reason to give Orenco Station a second and third look, over time:

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Light rail already in. Baseball a stones-throw away. McMenamin's pub. Oregon coast one hour away. Time to take the MAX there for a long, leisurely walk.....

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Holyc,it is "geezers" like hawkeye,nails,drift, myself and many others and many more before us that gave you the right to say what ever you want.That being said,if you don't like the way things are in this country than work to make changes or find a place more to your liking.To sit back and bitch on a forum like this does nothing to improve all you find wrong with the world.It takes work and effort to make changes.Just spouting off does nothing.

timerick — August 21, 2013 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal are lucky to have a Singer Red-Eye Treadle Machine. I am it operable and do you ever use it? That's one of my "one of these days" potential purchases.

Lucky You!

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 21, 2013 at 6:30 a.m.

Isn't the "me first" attitude getting ridiculous. We see it everywhere...especially on the highways! I'm thinking it came into full bloom after 9/11 when the conspiracy theories about the event started flooding the media and people just began to no longer care. Then the economy the "Great Recession" as they love to call it and the US (and the world) has become a dog-eat-dog society.

Honesty and integrity is a rare occurrence nowadays...

...and that's pretty doggone sad! What is it going to take to bring it back???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Holyc I am not just talking about people in the military or fighting wars.A lot of us have made substantial contributions to our communitys.Working with those that may not have what we have had.Helping our young people be all they can.Improving our community as best as we can.Improving community can not be done by complaining and doing nothing.

timerick — August 21, 2013 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 21, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.

"...and when they come here..."

Paranoia will destroy ya

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: I do use it! It sews thicker fabrics and leather like cutting through butter. It was a gift from my grandmother, who used it to sew little dresses and pinafores for me so many years ago.

The Singer Featherweight is preferred by many quilters for its reliability and beautiful, even stitches.

I don't think young people are learning the art of sewing as much as they used to and I think this is a lost art, don't you?

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Haven't posted for awhile but have to put my 2 cents in here to HC..

Roger, the license plates, our former Gov, Queen Chrissy did away with the program. said it was a waste
of time. The program at that time was netting this state over $600,000 a yr. There was talk of reviving it about a yr ago.
Don't know if they did or not. Call or drop into DMV and ask. The State Patrol handled the license before not the locals.

HC you are nothing but a "shit stirrer" you haven't a clue.
Small businesses get audited more than anyone knows. I know cause my husband's family has a small business and over the yrs have been audited several times. Over time (back in the 60's to about 2001) we had 18 employees plus 6 family members working. In the last 5 yrs we are down to 5 employees and 3 family members.
My husband retires next yr, his sister and my brother will retire in 5 more yrs, IF they can keep it going over taxes and regulations each state levels on the company. The company that has been in existence since 1955 and has been located in 3 different states will come to it's end. Doors will be closed, never again will the family logo be seen up and down the streets or freeways. The economy had some to do with downsizing the company, but mostly is cause of taxes, regulations and this new healthcare.
I know the amount of taxes we pay each quarter and yearly. I know we have been audited many times. To say small businesses never gets audited, we avoid paying taxes???..well lets just say I have a one way ticket to the moon via my foot for ya

You sicken me with your BS about the military, another area which you haven't a clue to what they have done to give you the freedom to spew the crap you do. WW11 was NOT about economics or land grab for us, THAT was the German side. Japanese pulled us INTO WW11 cause of the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Clearly you know nothing about history!!
If truth be known, you weren't even born in this country, came here like so many did looking for a better place to live and prosper. Then turn on the very ones that helped keep this county as free as it is. So go find a quiet corner and flag yourself!

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

As far as WW11 go look up the Treaty of Versailles.

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi: Yes, the license scofflaw program was axed for ONE year, but reinstated, thanks to Jim Moeller, in July of 2010.

I called the number just now, and it is up and running. I also gave Hawkeye an email link in one of the prior messages to him above: 1-360-449-7975.

Here is the Columbian article from November 2010. Read down a bit and you will see that Jim Moeller sponsored a bill that passed to cover the expenses.

Let's get on it, deputies.....:)

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manthou — August 21, 2013 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Save these links, for future reference, if you wish:

Here is the email address for reporting suspected license plate fraud, for those who do not want to call. If you want anonymity, ask for it:

Here is a web page reporting option, too:

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manthou — August 21, 2013 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Good to know manthou, Thanks!!

There are TONS of cars I see everyday here east of 205 that will be turned in.

When we moved here many years ago we hadn't even been here a month and got ticketed for out of state license on one vehicle even tho it was a business vehicle and the business at that time was still in Oregon. So no love lost here for anyone that lives here with out of state license. We were told if it parks here over night then it has to have a license for this state.

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — August 21, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.

Hear, hear!

jacjak — August 21, 2013 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree, Elisi. It fries me to see so many people scamming the state, when so many others do what is right.

The link above seems broken, but here is a general information page that shows what information you need to include:

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manthou — August 21, 2013 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.

I don't think it's a totally lost art...not yet, but I remember years ago when Home Economics in high school taught young girls how to sew and to cook good ol' fashioned homemade food rather than hit the sales and learn how to nuke something in the micro.

I am happy that both my daughters have sewing machines and utilize them well. I too utilize my sewing machine but have thought for a long time how nice it would be to have a treadle-powered machine like my grandmother used to have. Good to know the Red Eye does well with leather goods, especially since I have made leather garments in the past. These days, it isn't as easy to sew leather as it once was. Now...time to start crackin'; looking for one for sale that actually works.

Good to hear yours is still running well!!!

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A bit of paranoia is good.

holycrapola — August 21, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.

Not to the point that you think they're coming after you...or that they're coming at all, whoever "THEY" are...and especially when the person is in possession of a firearm.

Responsible gun ownership is a necessity. Rambo brains get you nowhere, holycrapola.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.

Nice to know Moeller is good for something in government...8P'

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

oops...I meant to quote your post at 11:51pm, manthou. I'm sure you knew that, though.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey everybody...remember how MAX supporters claim taking light rail is safe???

Well if you still believe it, then check out who's been living along the Gresham line:

Go to the link below if you want to see the full story:

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Good to see you here, Elisi, and a very nice, strong post to boot.
May I lend your foot some additional strength when you boot someone to the moon?

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BOCC agenda for Board Time today:

1:30 PM Executive Session on personnel matters and pending litigation

Pending litigation? For all the money that Madore has promised to save, I have always feared that any savings would be eaten up by litigation. Wonder if it has to do with a crony appointment? Violation of county policies and procedures?

goldie: Yep. Jim Moeller can do good things sometimes. :)

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Elisi, still hanging around, huh? Good to see you. Boy, you got HC dialed in just about right. All I wanted was to have those people that have legitimate business's in Oregon, live here and have their cars registered to their business to put their business name and phone number or web site on their vehicle in at least 1 1/2 letters. Seems only fair. And it came down to me being a tax evader and something about 4 or 5 wars. I'll tell ya, some of these people suck. Oh well, what ya gonna do.

Hey, did you ever hear this one?

A man walks into a bar and asks the bartender for a glass of water. The bartender looks at the guy and pulls a shotgun from behind the bar and fires off a round. The guy thanks the bartender, leaves a $10 on the bar and walks out.


hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Hawkeye you hear a BS tick squeaking in the back ground like I do?
The kind that if one allows it, burrows it's head in the skin and suck blood from it's victim? Then after you stick a light match to it's backside runs looking for another victim to suck blood from until it burst.

That's what reminds me of the one who just thinks he's "in the know"..makes me LOL
Knows nothing of the military except from what he sees or hears on The Military, or History channel or tales from others. Never seen a day in the trenches. As far as businesses goes, another "know nothing" neuken verliezer in my book.

luvithere anytime luv. I find those one way ticket are quite handy for ticks..;)

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Something is going on around 79th-Burton to Andresen, just come by there and the cops are everywhere..sitting in apartment drive-ways, winco's drive-ways, intersections.

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 4:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*tick sound*

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Blijf praten, maakt je meer en meer als een geluid naaldneus bug neuker

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So sorry to see conversation deteriorate here again. It has been a long time without the silly fights.

Because I live part of the year on the Oregon Coast, I have been corresponding with the Oregon legislators in that district on the CRC revival rumors.

I had an email today from a state representative who confirmed that this CRC issue may not be dead and that the governor may call a special session to deal with it. Just as I suspected.

Looks like Tim Leavitt is working with someone across the river, but neglected to tell the rest of the City Council? Poor Jack Burkman is doing his best to distance himself from this problem.

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Honestly Holy, you are losing it again. Every few months, you just step over that line. Every incarnation of you, the same old thing.
This the way you get rid of your personal frustrations or what? Insult everybody here?

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 6:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HC, it's truly hard to believe how much you suck. And I used to unplug drains for a living!

hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The OR State Senate Pres is saying DO NOT go it alone with this project. And buried in the article Tina Kotek also says there are some very important questions to answer before the project can proceed. Ted Wheeler's questions have to be at the top of that list.

roger — August 21, 2013 at 6:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou may I suggest keeping a close eye on what Andrea Damewood is digging up on whats going on.

Can one whisper *dirty handed fund grabbing*

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 6:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 21, 2013 at 6:32 p.m.

And what "biker world" do you speak of, holyc??? H.A.??? G.J??? F.S.??? Bandido's??? Mongols??? Or is it because you're in the biker world??? No need to answer...just sayin'.

Regarding the loo rail of Po' to share the stats on Po' land's crime issues versus Vancouver's??? I can guarantee you holyc...that Po' land has a much higher crime rate than Vancouver has ever seen. My point...which you obviously missed is that TriMet and all who support their MAX lines are trying to put on a false impression of a safe and functional ride. Care to 'splain to the folks why the MAX lines were delayed ten minutes today since you know so much? Ah...don't bother,'s because of the heat affecting service. When it's hot, the rails are slow. When it's cold, the rails are slow.'s another one -

When it's running, the rails are slow...8P

1800's choo choo's aren't the future. I'm surprised you support such an entity. Well...not really surprised.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2013 at 6:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well then, Holy, since we are all talkers and you the only doer, please tell us what you are doing to make this a better place. I am nto talking about your personal life, just the things you do to make this community better.

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I read that article where Leavitt says he wants the City to fund LRT. To have both Burkman and Hansen caught unaware of this workshop he's calling for is astounding. Burkman is an honest guy (from what I've observed); to have him distancing himself from this proposal, and saying there's no way to be ready for a Sep 9 workshop, tells me there's something rotten going on. (I smell Gov Inslee's involvement.)

C-Tran remains the designated public transportation entity for the County, and for Vancouver to do anything the Board would have to hand this over. Leavitt called the C-Tran Board dysfunctional; how does he believe this would get them to go along with him? (I think Stuart would support a County veto anyhow.)

My other related thought is that right now, the 4th Plain BRT has a 50/50 chance of voter approval. Allow this move by Leavitt, and the BRT is doomed. Which is more important to us?

roger — August 21, 2013 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere, he does not live here! Has no interest like all of us do here. So he does nothing for our community period!

He is nothing but a know nothing BS stirring tick trolling this forum to cause trouble.

Why is Elton John's song "Daniel" keep popping in my head??

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I am still waiting to hear what HC does to better his community, no matter where he lives, Elisi.
Driving by on his Vespa doesn't count.

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Driving by on his Vespa doesn't count.

LOLOLOLOL Oh my I just spit my drink and it went up my nose...too funny!!

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bikers don't talk much,

holycrapola — August 21, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.

The phrase is, bikers don't say much but when they do, they don't say much.

hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, Mayor Tim just posted that he spoke too soon in giving dates for the workshop. That doesn't explain why they didn't know of this plan (I suspect Smith did, if none of the others - can't trust those retired Army officers - they're used to having things their own way. Just like Pollard!)

He also says it will be a PUBLIC workshop. Aren't those usually closed? There will be a very angry crowd there - with or without a public comment period.

He is quite smug with his comments - continued to swipe at the C-Tran Board. What makes him think he's holding the strong hand?

roger — August 21, 2013 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK - I guess there's more important things to talk about tonight, so here you go - living on the edge!!!

roger — August 21, 2013 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 21, 2013 at 8:04 p.m

Gotta love those hard core "bikers", eh?

hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

rog: If you have time, you should watch the latest entire C-Tran board meeting at Clark Vancouver TV. You can find it in Archives.

Leavitt's body language says it all. And there are these dualing ethical complaints someone filed, one against Madore and one against Leavitt.

Madore's was about funding Anti Tolling and Anti CRC issues and candidates. Leavitt's was a conflict-of-interest since his employer stands to gain if the CRC is built. Madore's came out OK, but we don't know about Leavitt's yet.

Anyway, I talked to folks who attended that meeting in its entirety, and they said you miss all the nonverbals on CVTV. You could cut the tension with a butter knife.


Mielke's comment on hiring an interim County Administrator from within is priceless:

"I got cold feet looking on the outside because they didn't know what Clark County was doing," Mielke said.

You betcha, Tom. An outsider would have had to blow more whistles than a boatswain once he got a whiff of what you all are doing there. :)

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 21, 2013 at 8:04 p.m

Holy cow, it's Holy C.


luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, em, uh, isn't Benton an outsider?

Are all these people stupid or what.

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 8:28 p.m


hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: Double yes! To both your questions!

roger: I agree with you about Burkman being honest. This totally blindsided him. I noticed he thanked you for your opinion. :)

Is Leavitt trying to hand the election win to Turlay, Doane, and Decker? I think you are on to something, roger. Leavitt is feeling very confident about something and possesses some insider information that not many share. You bet the governors are in it with him. They have a play up their sleeves and this "public" work session is pro forma only.

He should not be so damn cocky.

manthou — August 21, 2013 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Holyc,you talk a big talk.You talk about body bags and have you put anybody in them?.Well HC I have done just that thing.Like I said last time.Stick it in your ass.You spout about so much that you portray that you have done.I call BS.You are a phoney.All you say is just BS.If the bad stuff were to happen I would see nothing but your dumb ass running the other way.You think it is easy to make a kill shot on another human.Think again.It is something that never leaves you once you do it.I don't think you could live through it.Elisi has forgot more about business than you could ever know.Do your self a favor and everyone else and end your unending bs.On a face to face I think you would fold.I may be a GEEZER but I can still function with people like you.

timerick — August 21, 2013 at 9 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Timerick, you are one hell of a great geezer! Stay the way you are.

luvithere — August 21, 2013 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou ---

I've been waiting for some follow up to that meeting. I watched it live. Madore wanted the results of his investigation made public and the attorney told group Madore was not guilty. [The results were supposed to be released a couple of Fridays ago.] Then attorney said Leavitt investigation was completed but results were not made public. They went into executive session to discuss Leavitt results among other issues. Everybody had the info in their notebooks.

Towards the end you will hear Freeman admonish Leavitt and Smith as I recall. Leavitt mentioned that he had a life outside the meeting. He was fed up with Madore's tactics and he wanted to move along. Smith was visibly upset. Votes aren't just "no" but "absolutely not".

langenthal — August 21, 2013 at 9:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You talk too much!

Niter kids.


holycrapola — August 21, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.

How would you know, you'd actually have to listen to find out.

hawkeye — August 21, 2013 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou and roger, you might ask/search just where Kitzhaber is getting the funds for the CRC.

I'd like to know what Leavitt means when he said that the city of Vancouver should pay for annual cost of LR. Where is the money going to come from..higher property, gas, sales taxes?? The city already had to bail out the hotel downtown, what more does Leavitt think they people can be taxed so his pockets can be lined with gold and sliver?

ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey luvithere. Remember how a few weeks ago, whatever is was, that I told you that “you are who you run with”. And I specifically mentioned HC, in your case. Remember how you said that HC had some good ideas? Basically, what? What? What are those good ideas? I’ve never seen those “good ideas” and you haven’t either. Other than touchy feely pie in the sky stuff. All the more clear -- after this recent exchange.

HC is a good example of Left wing totalitarianism. You people don’t even recognize this.

I urge you people, once again, to look at the difference of the political spectrum.

The political spectrum is NOT Liberal and Conservative.

The political spectrum is Libertarian and Collectivist. Liberal and Conservative are a mix of those two ideas.

Conservatives want to use government to get in your bedroom but stay out of private sector business.

Liberals want to stay out of your bedroom, but get in your bank account.

Two sides of the same coin which most refuse to understand. It might help you a lot, if you actually understand where you’re coming from.

kn_dalai — August 21, 2013 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou and langenthal - Thanks for the info - I think watching that video may be a good idea for this evening. Hopefully today is relatively uneventful and I don't get sidetracked.

roger — August 22, 2013 at 5:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

HC - You really sound disenchanted with life and the way we live it here (north of the river). Might I suggest you sign on with Kitz and Cylvia and try to raise your happiness quotient?

roger — August 22, 2013 at 5:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The glass half full is BS.

holycrapola — August 22, 2013 at 6:13 a.m.

And you're the one filling it.

It's amazing that you think you are so smart yet you have no ideas on how to fix the problems you have mentioned. Nothing but talk. It sounds like you are the same as Madore, grandiose ideas but no idea how to go about it.

Still, big man talk but little man walk.

Better see that proctologist soon, you may need to be able to breathe sooner than you think. It must be a little uncomfortable riding your scooter like that.

hawkeye — August 22, 2013 at 6:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So much happening in Vancouver and Clark County politics right now, it should be developed into a new HBO series plot.....We have so many cliff hangers.

goldie @ 2:01 PM. Those Home Ec teachers were subversive for their time and pushed back, politically, with the fast food and convenience packaged food movement, for a time, anyway.

I am reading a great book called "Sugar, Fat, and Salt" by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Michael Moss. It expands upon the information provided by Dr. David Kessler (former Head of the FDA) in his "An End to Overeating."

I am not done with the book, but Moss points out that the Home Ec teachers provided ferocious political push-back when food companies started loading their products with unhealthy additives, fat, salt, and sugar. He talks about how they were eventually beaten down by these companies like Kraft, General Foods, etc by actually hiring them and essentially making them mouthpieces for the unhealthy products.

This book should be required reading. Soft drink companies and soda company execs should be
in prison.

I see that KFC is selling its buildings in Clark County. Part of the reason for its demise? A better informed public is refusing to load their plates with this convenience, fat, sugar, and salt-laded product.

Link to the book:

[link text][1]


manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I might add: whistleblowers who used to work for these food giants have provided evidence of real collusion with scientists to manipulate formulas to make their products as addictive to the brain as possible. Cereals and sodas were staples in so many American homes and some of those products contain more than 50% sugar.

This fuels the conspiracy theories out there that this is how the super rich control the poverty masses: keep them dependent, fat and stupid, in a brain fog. They'll vote for anything and believe anything. Maybe this explains why we are so puzzled when citizens living in poverty tend to ignore their best interests in the voting booth.

One reason I am celebrating Walmart's Marketplace on 4th Plain is that it gives people on limited income in that area access to fresh produce they cannot afford at New Seasons, for example. 4th Plain is littered with convenience stores.

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 22, 2013 at 4:46 a.m.

Is it the corrupted organization or the corrupted data information systems you correct? Just wondering.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2013 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai: There is a spectrum of opinion on here which makes this Forum interesting, informative and fun. Just about everyone finds a way to be respectful, in spite of the differences.

There is also a bully spectrum here and, quite frankly, you and HC are on the high end of that scale, so don't go being so holier-than-thou with luvithere.

I usually regret engaging either of you directly because both of you engage in pile-on behavior.

Ignoring you works best for me and I will regret breaking my own rule, because you will use this, as HC does, to intimidate and shame.

Have at it. But you and HC use the same MO. Not much difference between your styles, in my opinion.

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:16 a.m., 7:25 a.m.

7:16 am: You got that right, my dear. I too read the book you speak of. It's quite an eye opener. National Geographic Magazine has an article this month on the effects of sugar on our systems...another good read which pretty much mirrors the information in the book you and another poster shared awhile back.

7:25 am: It's unnerving how they've played on us for convenience and instant food gratification. Just looking at the problem of obesity in society is a dead giveaway...literally!

Once a person has grasped the reality of processed food products, I highly recommend checking out a book called "Intuitive Eating, A Revolutionary Program that Works." This book is a great one in re-teaching everyone about food and our needs and helps break the cycle of fast food in our diets. We all need to cleanse our system out of fast food fads.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2013 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: I will look for that book you recommend.

It is true that our bodies experience true withdrawal symptoms when we try to wean off the bad stuff. I am focusing on whole foods in their simplest form, but it ain't easy!

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 22, 2013 at 6:13 a.m.

Holyc...with all due respect my fellow forum follower....

Not everybody is trying to gain financial gain monetary wealth. Money ISN'T everything. Many who have lost their jobs, their homes, the lives they once lived...

...have found the true meaning of what it means to live well and be happy. It's the strong moral values of integrity and working an honest day's living to provide a life the family can be comfortable living. Not everyone wants high rise megalopolis condo's on the waterfront and futuristic design. The American Dream??? It's not being part of the "Haves or Have nots." It's being part of a nation which freedom go for your dreams or your passions without oppression. Yes, rules must be made and followed and many refuse, but that's what's wonderful about our nation. We have the right to say whether or not we agree or disagree. In some could be shot or hung for speaking your mind. Don't abuse that freedom. And those taxes and fees and whatnot??? Many have been decided by yourself...your neighbor...your doctor...your grocer...

...and it's our duty to let the government know when they've stepped on the toes of the people and to fight unfair taxation. It's also our duty to let the people know who skirt around the tax laws and licensing laws that we don't cater to their selfish interests and that they have to pay their fair share as well.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2013 at 7:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Folks, I don't believe the entity known here as holycrapola is a real live human being. The vitriol spewed from hc is just to darned extreme. For the life of me I can't imagine a living breathing person typing the comments 'it' does.

Think about it. Isn't the behavior a touch too radical? I'm talking over the top.

So I've got a couple of theories.

The first being, hc is either a single or several psychology or sociology major(s). 'It' makes bombastic statements and the responses are noted. Hell, maybe it's preparing a dissertation on trolls; cause and effect. Something like that.

The other theory relates to computer programming. If you'll analyze its posts you'll note it's very repetitive. Both in its response to other comments and the content of those responses: name calling, get off your ass, everyone else is wrong... Is hc a program?

I would attempt to administer a Turing test to varify or disprove this theory, but I don't believe the entity called holycrapola would take the bait.

Besides, I chose not to engage hc. I don't wish to appear condescending, but every time one of you do, I get a vision of a person climbing into a Petri dish. Weird, huh?

Yes, yes, I know the entity known as holycrapola will now attack me. But you know, I can run my own experiments, too.

Drift — August 22, 2013 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.
Thanks Manthou, I read KN's comments and had decided to just skip him. He is just too condescending - and as you said, right there most of the time with HC.

I still say HC came up with decent ideas but we are currently in the "manic period" with him when all he does is try and insult us. Once we are back to "regular scheduled sessions", he comes up with some good stuff.

As to food: I gave up fast food and processed food a long time ago. Was never really into it as I grew up on Mom's freshly cooked food and continued the same tradition. Amazing how much better fresh tastes, isn't it? And how good it makes you feel?

Not to say that I don't enjoy a real, decent hamburger. But not from places like McDonald's.

luvithere — August 22, 2013 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.

It is difficult, manthou. They play on our "crave factor" and they're dang good at what they do. Even our fruits and vegetables are being altered for the crave factor, thanks in part to the DNA research by companies such as Monsanto...hence my concern and outright disgust to the research. Big money talks...and controls us. We don't have the dinero to fight them, but we do have the means to combat obesity in our society by selecting heritage/heirloom plants for our vegetable gardens. Even some stores sell "heirloom fruits or vegetables." I'd much rather pay a few cents more a pound rather than thousands of dollars of medical copays or doctor bills.

luvithere - you are so right...Fresh IS best!!! Last night's salad was completely from our garden and the tomatoes...almost as sweet as watermelon - and they were heirloom tomatoes to boot!!! A beautiful, luscious deep red right up to the skin. Nothing beats fresh!

goldenoldie — August 22, 2013 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"polluting and just paying fines if they are forced to, they polluting again."

Sometimes they don't even have to pay. Companies drilling for oil by frakking were granted an exemption in 2005 to the Clean Water Act. Somebody is seeing the handwriting on the wall as banks are beginning to refuse to mortgage properties within 300 feet of a property that has oil wells drilled on it. As the drought in the Mid-West lingers, there seems to be no shortage of water for the drillers. I think I read where about a million gallons are required per well. Pumping millions of gallons a day of toxic water into the ground can't have a happy ending.

Some outfit named Climate Central predicts sea level will rise enough by 2020 to flood out over 80% of the folks in New Orleans. Oh, well. Worry about that later.......

mrd — August 22, 2013 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou and luvithere, I could not disagree with you more. You take my posts as you do because you are both highly sensitive, and extremely partisan. Extremely. You also overlook the biting, and often plain rude even crass comments that your fellow Leftists make. You may actually try to look at that. If you think that is condescending, then so be it. It is not I that have ever referred to others as low IQ, nor have I ever called someone a whore. This forum btw, consists of only a few, and most are of the leftist side.

kn_dalai — August 22, 2013 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good advice Drift.I will try to follow it.

timerick — August 22, 2013 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — August 21, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.

Never employed by the U.S. Military. Just fortunate to have worked alongside our Country's best.


manthou — August 21, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.

I need a little more stretch room than this. Although the wife would be onboard in a heartbeat.


"This forum btw, consists of only a few, and most are of the leftist side."

kn_dalai — August 22, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.

Unless your statement's only purpose is to disparage this forum, please back up your claim- "most are of the leftist side." I would disagree. As long as you're labeling...who is of the "leftist side", and who are, I suppose, the rightest side? Since you said it, who is who in your mind? Please try to include all when looking at the "few" who post here.

My God. Imagine if all of us were confined to the same old folks home.

Self induced euthanasia would become a viable option without a doubt.

The Old troll's return is stirring up the cat's nest as in times past. Instead of enabling the litter, why don't a few just blow into a brown bag or something.

Some are in the basement digging holes.


Some good news.

///Atheists Can Sue IRS Over Failure To Enforce Limits On Churches' Political Speech///

The Freedom From Religion Foundation took home an important victory on Monday, when a federal judge in Wisconsin ruled that the group could proceed with its lawsuit over the Internal Revenue Service's alleged failure to enforce a ban on partisan politicking by tax-exempt religious groups.

The IRS had earlier filed a motion to dismiss the case, which the national foundation for atheists and agnostics had filed after the November elections last year. U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman denied the motion on Monday, writing that the FFRF "has standing to seek an order requiring the IRS to treat religious organizations no more favorably than it treats the Foundation."


In recent years, religious institutions have taken clear steps to challenge the IRS over political speech. Many tested the agency's willingness to enforce the restrictions last October with a nationwide event dedicated to breaking tax rules and endorsing mainly Republican candidates. The IRS took no action.

The First Amendment generally allows religious leaders to speak on any issue. But candidate endorsements are disallowed as a condition of religious institutions' tax-exempt status, which has saved them $145 billion over 10 years.


nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

God Bless America.

///Bradley Manning comes out as transgender: ‘I am a female’///

The statement said Manning wants to undergo hormone therapy to help spur a bodily transformation from male to female — treatment that cannot be provided at Fort Leavenworth, the Kansas prison where Manning is likely to be sent, a spokeswoman for the facility told Courthouse News Service.

“As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me,” Manning said in the statement. “I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female. Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible.

nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone interested in food subjects-- and maybe that'd be everyone as food has been at the center of all social evolution and ritual, not to mention necessity -- The latest issue of American Scientific is exclusively about food, from fuel to GMO's to 'bliss' points to fracking & drinking water. It only arrived yesteday but looks great. My own enlighenment regarding the wholesale violation and hijacking of America's food sources along with citizens' good health started with "Fast Food Nation". It is a movie, but the book is better.

jacjak — August 22, 2013 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"My God. Imagine if all of us were confined to the same old folks home." nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.

People whose thought processes move along these channels make the very best dinner guests, without a doubt. Oh, the imagery!

jacjak — August 22, 2013 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

From Ron Goodman ---

...Wednesday's work sessions are now being posted online, along with hearing and board time files:

From today's ---

Hearing the news that local KFC franchise-owner Scott Dickinson intends to sell or close his handful of local Kentucky Fried Chicken "restaurants," county commissioner and motion-control enthusiast David Madore leapt into action.

"Our citizens demand information and transparency," said Madore. "We can't have people making important decisions like this without a vote -- or, at least, a survey of every individual who has ever patronized one of these KFC locations."

"But--" said Dickinson, "I already did my research. People have more options now, and they don't want my greasy, factory-farmed, antibiotic-resistant chicken anymore. I'm losing money, and it's time to move on."

Madore cleared his throat. "I don't think you understand, Scott," he said. "You did that research before I became a county commissioner. So it means nothing to me. If I haven't explicitly directed the information-gathering, then how can I trust it will get me the results I want?"

Now 25 postings from Freeholder candidates at

John Jenkins combined Hinton's and Columbian's questions.

langenthal — August 22, 2013 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal: Ron Goodman should volunteer to author the opposing statement for some of these advisory votes. Temple Lentz is on a roll.

jacjak: I watched that movie, long ago. I am so slow to learn and break habits. The science behind it helps get attention and it is telling that this topic is showing up again in journals and magazines. When I went to Norway, I was impressed with the scarcity of obesity. It was stunning compared to my US travels. They have rich food there: what factors account for this difference?

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Tom Mielke, I was very happy to see, was waxing eloquent (he was downright orgasmic, actually) at the Board Meeting time this week about Oregon Metro's "land-for-jobs" long range planning and seems to want to champion it here.

I have never, ever heard such enthusiasm in his voice.

I had to laugh to myself because Tom is always late to the party (What is Leadership Clark County?), but he gets there sometimes. Metro has been using the land-for-jobs model for over a decade, if not more.

Also, Mielke's political cronies like Benton and Pike, tend to demonize any ideas or governing models that originate from the South side of the great Columbian River.

But Tom wants to bring Metro over here to have a dialogue. Better late than never.

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mike Briggs has volunteered to write the anti-east bridge option.

The KFC store on Gher Road is a dump - I went there once and never returned. If the rest of his stores are similar, I'd say he's been cutting to the bare bone to increase profit for quite some time. If I'm going to buy it at all, I'll drive to Hwy 99 and buy the good stuff from Popeye's. The problem is that the chicken shops have gotten way too expensive to be considered fast food - I can get a meal at someplace like McGrath's for the same price. And pan fried chicken (that's been marinated in buttermilk before being spiced and floured) is easy enough and tastes a whole lot better.

roger — August 22, 2013 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 22, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.

The thing is, Dickinson is the slum lord of fast food. He doesn't pay his people well so his turnover is extremely high. He treats them like cattle. When he finds a good employee, he works them to the bone until they quit. His stores are all dumps and he is ALWAYS out of something. Out here, KFC shares with A&W.; The last couple of years, KFC's prices have climbed too high and (around here) the quality has dropped. As soon as Popeyes opened up, I started going there. Their food is good (for fast food) and they are always quick and clean.

hawkeye — August 22, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.

Be careful what you wish for. Metro is also the outfit that collects from every business in their "jurisdiction" for Tri-Met taxes.

hawkeye — August 22, 2013 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Life PAC of SW Washington has added a candidate assessment section for Freeholder candidates

langenthal — August 22, 2013 at 1:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye: I am not wishing for Metro clone programs because my family still pays those TMSET taxes, even though my husband's business is no longer physically in Portland. Since he receives Portland business through consulting work here, he is considered to have a "nexus" in Portland.

Although, I think that creating a transportation district tax, like Tri-Met, is on the mind of Mr. Leavitt.

I just was amused that Tom Mielke suddenly is pro-Metro on the jobs-for-land program and wants to emulate it here.

roger: Mike Briggs, when Temple Lentz was trying to give her one minute speech on Tuesday, started flashing an LED light in her eyes, thinking he was being cute. It annoyed me, was disrespectful of the speaker, and made me feel like I was observing a middle school classroom. He stopped when she ignored him, but this was her time to speak! Sheesh. Hope he can write.

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal: Interesting LifePac chart. It is color coded, I see. Anyone who gets a "red" mark there seems fine to me. This is the CliffNotes for the tea party. Good for them for putting so much time into it, though. It is impressively easy to maneuver.

The Stranger alternative weekly in Seattle hosts a "fill your ballot" party at a local watering hole every election. I think we ought to organize something like that here, especially since the November ballot is going to be like a phone book.

People will be relying on websites like LifePac to simplify the research process, so someone on the other end of the political spectrum should get on an alternative viewpoint site quickly. :)

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, the imagery!

jacjak — August 22, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.

One can only imagine...


nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Another postgasm! We're back on track!

nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal — August 22, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.

Now there's a wonderful organization. As long as you are in favor of keeping your "women folk" barefoot and pregnant and chained to the kitchen, you're in!. Take the country back to the early 1900's, they'd be happy.

hawkeye — August 22, 2013 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye ---

That is for the benefit of those who think "most are of the leftist side".

langenthal — August 22, 2013 at 2:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — August 22, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.

Thanks for sharing. I'll be checking it out.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2013 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of healthy eating...

This guy would replace MoBama's White House Garden with a Wendy's kiosk.

It's being reported he's also bellying up to Ben & Jerry's ;)

///Chris Christie Endorsed By Cake Boss///

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has received a boost from the world of reality television with an endorsement from the star of the TLC television show "Cake Boss."

nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I just got home from seeing "The Butler." I think you would like it. It was very moving to me and a hell of a story.

manthou — August 22, 2013 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- I saw a piece about this on one of the news shows. What a story & what an incredible job to have. The stories this guy can tell must be as endless as they are fascinating.

nailingit — August 22, 2013 at 11:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone on here watching Al Jazeera America on channel 107 (Xfinity)? I think luvithere does once in awhile?

There are many interesting articles about how it is straight news: no rants, yelling, or editorializing. No celebrity fluff stories. Yay! Soledad O'Brian works for this media company now, for example.

Sorry, nail, even Rachel Maddow gets on my nerves at times, so I am giving this a serious look. ATT refused to carry it, bowing to irrational pressure, making Comcast look good for a change. I want many news source options on the menu, the more the better.

Channel 107. Try it and let's talk about what you think. So far, it is a big thumbs up for me. My news junkie husband will be the most critical litmus test.

Here is the website with all the shows: [link text][1]


manthou — August 23, 2013 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, still looking for it on DishNet. They better carry it! In the meantime, I will need to stick to online print version.

First, off to Europe for a bit. Will be nice to see what people say these days about the olde Amerikaner

luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: Safe travels and have fun! Watching The Butler last night, reminded me of being in France during the Nixon years. Egad, they hated him. My French was funky enough to sound like I might be Canadienne and gave me a pass from harassment. I felt like wearing a button: "Don't blame me. I did not vote for Nixon."

Going to Germany? Enjoy the food and libations!

manthou — August 23, 2013 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Did any of you see in the online copy of the Columbian about the 88 year old WW2 veteran that was beaten to death in Spokane.If it is there I sure can't find it.

timerick — August 23, 2013 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: Here you go: [link text][1]



luvithere: Al Jazeera is on Dish and Direct TV. Try the old Current TV channel. They are suing ATT for not including it in the news lineup.

manthou — August 23, 2013 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Manthou,That was a terrible thing to happen.It should have been on the front page.

timerick — August 23, 2013 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Author falsely accused by anonymous tipper was suspected of being Unabomber and then, when Ted Kaczinski was arrested, the "suspect" became a possible Anthrax sender. He obtained details about his own file and chilling surveillance on a FOIA request. Yikes. Ick.

From NPR:

[link text][1]


manthou — August 23, 2013 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

First Amendment:

The UK's Guardian newspaper plans to share its Snowden NSA documents with the New York Times. Why? Because first amendment protections in the UK are not as rigorous as in the US and Britain is threatening to kill these stories from being published.

Hooray freedom of speech:

[link text][1]


manthou — August 23, 2013 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

On Direct TV Current is 358 - I think the on screen channel guide still carries it as this. When you put the channel on, then you see the Al Jazeera America name. Not a lot of difference so far - maybe a little tamer than when Al Gore was in charge.

roger — August 23, 2013 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"First, off to Europe for a bit. Will be nice to see what people say these days about the olde Amerikaner"

luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.

They'll say we suck.

If you make it to Amsterdam, try to give a shout out to Barney Rubble.

nailingit — August 23, 2013 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

FYI, Al Jazeera America is on channel 215 on Dish.

hawkeye — August 23, 2013 at 1:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"His use of the language was way above normal. Way above. A vocabulary I have never seen used before."

holycrapola — August 23, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.

You peaked my curiosity. I'm never paid much attention to the Unibomber before other than the basics. I was expecting Pig-Latin or something.

"Ethay unibomberway asway asway away azycray oonlay owhay ostmay
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These are just the ramblings of an insecure little madman, seemingly overcome with feelings of inadequacy/ineptness. He sounds like Rush Limbaugh on a good day, and a couple of folks who post here on a bad day.

Except more Libertarian.

Some examples:

14. "Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men."

15. "Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful."

16. "Words like “self-confidence,” “self-reliance,” “initiative,” “enterprise,” “optimism,” etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser."

nailingit — August 23, 2013 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nail: Related to your post above, the Onion published a hilarious profile of an internet forum troll.

Mentally ill or mentally interesting?

It takes all kinds:

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manthou — August 23, 2013 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail is this a profile of someone we know?

timerick — August 23, 2013 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DameonX will be "his" next incarnation, I suspect.

hawkeye — August 23, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Wow, sounds like someone we know here. Or 2.

Thanks Hawk, for the Dish info. Wonder if we need to up the subscription and currently don't get 215. Or just missed it.

Nails: I brought up NSA with a few over there. Less outrage than expected. Got the: "as bad as our gov" comments.


luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift I just finished your book.How you have managed to live this long is a wonder.We did lots of crazy stuff when I was in the Army way back.But I don't think we could hold a candle to your adventures.It was a fun read.But like I said not for the faint of heart.Thanks.

timerick — August 23, 2013 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, that Onion piece is hilarious. Sounds so familiar, that description

luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — August 23, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.

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Always an interesting read. You keep folks on their toes...8)

goldenoldie — August 23, 2013 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The gentleman in the biker outfit was a proud member of the Patriot Guards.

i'm a member too, but can't go much anymore.


DeeLittle — August 23, 2013 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So go find a quiet corner and flag yourself!
-----ELISI — August 21, 2013 at 11:31 a.m

I LOVE THAT. good one, E


DeeLittle — August 23, 2013 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

t I remember years ago when Home Economics in high school taught young girls how to sew and to cook good ol' fashioned homemade food

c'MON, goldie! we are the same generation. I"M not old, so you can't be EITHER.

fwiw....growing up, my mom made all my school clothes. when i got married, i wore a wedding dress made by my mother.

some treasures really ARE priceless.

DeeLittle — August 23, 2013 at 8:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

an't trust those retired Army officers - they're used to having things their own way. Just like Pollard!)

about ten years ago, i saw pollard leaving my supermarket. as he was walking to his car, he kept glancing around to see if anybody recognized him.

now, i lived in the phony capital of the world...hollywood...but even THOSE not-quite-people wouldn't do that.

DeeLittle — August 23, 2013 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee, learning how to cook is great BUT it should be taught to little boys also. Those good old days with their crazy idiotic gender stereotypes weren't all that great. I got taught those home ecs myself while the boys got... More math. No thanks. Glad that is over with.

luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 10:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This forum btw, consists of only a few, and most are of the leftist side.
-----kn_dalai — August 22, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.

? i always thought of the current array of posters were independently-thinking neo conservatives....strange.

DeeLittle — August 23, 2013 at 10:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I had to get up in the middle of the night for a would be emergency (turned out to be nothing) and couldn't get back to sleep. Sat down and my two cents spilled out. So if I'm rambling, can't blame it all on the per usual drug fueled biased leftist nonsense order of the day posts. :)

Reading some of the Unabomber's manifesto got me to thinking. A little. I think. About how dangerous this type of thought is. I know this is nothing new, but I don't think this is so much of a left-right thing, as it is a group think to vilify a class of people.

It's a dehumanizing thing. Taking a group of people and demeaning them at the core, minimizing or destroying any value they might have. It removes the personal process of internalizing the negatives associated with bigotry & hatred, as well as the murder of such. Think Nazi Germany, whose propaganda reduced Jews to that of vermin and cockroaches. Doing so negates empathy for victims, while encouraging societal apathy with crimes related to. The bomber does the same with "Leftists".

Kind of like condoning or just apathetically turning away from an old fashioned lynching back in the day.

Think of the unusual accusations and misplaced hate for our current President.

He's a Kenyan born anti-American Socialist Commie whose completely different from us. He just..doesn't understand America. This story of a young black man raised in a middle class family without a strong family unit, pulling himself up by the bootstraps, getting a good education, becoming a social activist, then onto becoming President of the United States just doesn't bode well for a well meaning racist narrative I suppose.

There isn't a day goes by when some white politician/pundit on the right isn't in a brouhaha over racist slurs and remarks concerning this President.

And what I find most disturbing of all with this, is the constituents stunning silence when criticizing such. It brings cover and condones the bigots and racists within their political party. This really ain't happenin' on the left or in the middle, this is RW stuff by and large.

Maybe someday we'll truly be color blind-gender blind-sexual orientation blind-ethnic blind-partisan blind-whatever blind---when it comes to accepting each and every one of us as our equal. Until then I guess we'll just be...blind.

It's getting late and early at the same time. Man, look at the ...

nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 5:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 23, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.

Now that's some funny stuff!

"Suggestions that DaemonX could simply be a crazed vagrant using the internet at a public library have largely been dismissed..."

Remember ray_menlo who used to post here? (who can forget:) I used to frame the above scenario with him before he'd sign off at night. :))) It appears he's now posting as T. Busch on the FB side.


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timerick — August 23, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.-luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.

I'm thinking Limbaugh was inspired by this guy.

nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 5:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Drift I just finished your book."

Thanks for giving it a go, timerick!
As I mentioned previously, I don't think it reads quite like your average military memoir - and I'm not talking just of the foul language.

You have no idea how happy I am I didn't kill Fried Fred. He throws some great parties out there in Forest Grove ;^)

Drift — August 24, 2013 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — August 23, 2013 at 10:12 p.m.

Even my grandson took a cooking class in High School. The thing is, unless they WANT to cook, it's totally wasted on them.

hawkeye — August 24, 2013 at 7:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Last June I said it wouldn't be over. They would try anything to shove the LOO-RAIL portion of the CRC down our throats. I just slogged through 175 + comments on the article about the workshop for creative financing 101.

One thing that the commentators failed to say was how the the taxes we did vote for (O&M; for C-Tran) was not going to be used for any O&M; for LOO-RAIL. Remember that was a gentleman's agreement or so they said to the public.

Want to bet anyone?

With Oregon politicians still trying to get it done and our own trying to shove it up our backsides we are in for quite a fight. Some said that the population will go over 1 million by 2050. Maybe by then they will have the money. But for the next 15 years or so we won't have the infrastructure or the deep pockets to help fund it. Most of those commenting for it are not looking at the financial picture at all. They have those rose colored glasses on and they talk in platitudes. There seems to be a disconnect there somewhere. They are all too eager to jump into bed with a financially struggling and cash strapped transit system. If this was a private business you wouldn't do it. It would be your own money. But people like Moeller and Briggs don't give a rats patootey about spending ours do they?

As a side note. Can't you take the express from Fishers Landing transit center and got to Gateway Transit Center and catch the LOO-RAIL to the airport? Saves time for those who want to go away.

JohnCasey — August 24, 2013 at 7:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk, true. But my point is that the girls were forced to take cooking, sewing, etc., while the boys got math. We had no shop, ergo the advanced math. You could not decide which you wanted as it was gender based education.
Bringing decent food to the table is a survival skill for both girls and boys. Forcing girls into home ec is just blatant enforcement of stereotypical gender roles. As I said, glad those days are over.
And again, nothing wrong with knowing how to cook food.

luvithere — August 24, 2013 at 7:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I took a "Bachelors' Survival" class in high school. That was actually the name of it - Bachelors' Survival.

Basically, it was a Home Ec class for boys.

When I separated from the first wife was when I really started cooking. Going from high school to the Navy and getting married while I was enlisted...well, I never really had to feed myself until the split.

Mrs. Drift can cook, but she's never really cared for it. So after we got together I continued in the kitchen. The Boy was taking a cooking class in high school and the two of us began competing with one another. He cooking one night, me the next. He'd go shopping with me, getting the food stuffs and ingredients for his meals.

I still do the cooking.

I was going to make fried chicken (tators and gravy, corn) last night, but got lazy. So instead I pulled together breakfast burritos; potatoes, onion, green peppers, eggs and seasoning. I fried it all on the gas grill under the back porch.

I'll do the chicken tonight; thighs and legs (I prefer dark meat). The outdoor temp is coming down so I'll most likely do it all in the kitchen.

Oh, and I can hand sew, too. ;^)

Drift — August 24, 2013 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good for you Drift!
So, what time do you want us over?

luvithere — August 24, 2013 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of guys cooking, I need to know where to find Hawaiian red sea salt so I can try my hand at a somewhat authentic Kahlua pork. Anyone know of a store that might carry this?

I've gotten in trouble for saying this before (many times) - men create dishes, while women just cook. That's why all the great chefs are men!!!

roger — August 24, 2013 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: I know cooks who make Kahlua pork with pink Himalayan sea salt. You can get that easily at New Seasons or Whole Foods or Chuck's. The red Hawaiian may have to be ordered from some place online like the San Francisco Salt Company. I do order from them and they are an excellent mail order company.

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manthou — August 24, 2013 at 11:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Uh buh Roger, you really do want to be in trouble eh

luvithere — August 24, 2013 at 11:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I started learning how to cook between wife two and three. Neither one or two knew how to cook much so I pretty much stayed the same weight since high school. I really got into veggies (buying in bulk at Sauvie Island) with cheese sauce and started blanching EVERYTHING and pouring cheese over it and freezing them for later. It was really good until I got a kidney stone and had to cut out the calcium. Oh well, live and learn. Now I bake. More fun. Wife three is from the South. Now there's a cook.

hawkeye — August 24, 2013 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Rachel Maddow on supporting your local newspaper:

“You need to pay and subscribe to your local newspaper. Whatever it is, your local paper needs you. It needs to exist. It needs to have enough reporters on staff, to have enough subscriber income to pay for local reporters and to pay for editors so you can actually get coverage of what goes on at these usually pretty boring meetings in your county and in your town, because sometimes they’re really important.”

Nothing boring about Clark County, and the journalists at The Columbian seem to be shining a very bright light on all county and city meetings very well lately.

Cannot wait for the Don Benton article to go to print. Where is it?

manthou — August 24, 2013 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — August 23, 2013 at 7:52 p.m., 8:43 p.m.

7:52 pm - Bless your heart, Dee. Although you don't participate like you once did...your heart is in the right place.

8:43 pm - It wasn't that long ago, Dee...but I know when my eldest child attended school, they didn't have any of the classes...not even as electives.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2013 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 5:55 a.m.

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goldenoldie — August 24, 2013 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 24, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.

If you can't find the Hawaiian Red Sea Salt at the places mentioned by Manthou, try Zupan's on West Burnside in PDX.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2013 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"""I've gotten in trouble for saying this before (many times) - men create dishes, while women just cook. That's why all the great chefs are men!!!"""

Oh yeah...pork fat rules....BAM!!!

And how are their arteries these days???

Okay, okay...all teasing aside...

Women are taken for granted for "just cooking," but most men aren't complainin' now, are they!!!

How many on the forum truly know how to make a hearty, healthy, nutritious meal for a family of four for less than $10.00???


goldenoldie — August 24, 2013 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks for the recommendations (on where to look for the salt). I called one of my Hawaiian friends - He says the red salt sold here isn't really Hawaiian - they use sea salt from California and mix in the red clay (alaea). It seems there's not a whole lot of the real stuff and it rarely gets to the off islands commercial market. His wife says there isn't a noticeable difference - He claims there is. Whatever.

Goldie - I can't even make mac and cheese for under $10. (I use a mixture of gouda and sharp cheddar, a pound or so of bacon, sauted scallions, and mix it into part heavy cream and part half and half.) I don't know about healthy, but hearty it is.

Lard is making a comeback - Hopefully someday soon I'll be able to make REAL fried chicken with biscuits and white gravy again.

roger — August 24, 2013 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Considering some recent topics raised here, including wars and veterans, the movie “the Butler” and the alleged broad spectrum of diverse and welcomed thought in the basement, here is a link to Lew Water’s write on why some Vietnam veterans are boycotting the Butler. Probably nothing new there, but in the interest of balance, I know you’ll all be rushing to check it out.



kn_dalai — August 24, 2013 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Lard is making a comeback" -- roger — August 24, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.

Quickly scanning your post at first, the Lard word caught my eye. Thought is said "Laird is making a comeback".

Great, first it's the CRC making a comeback, then it's Laird. Relieved to see it's not so. Maybe the Columbian can get some balance without Laird.

kn_dalai — August 24, 2013 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift - Where do I buy your book so you get the most beer money from the sale? I can get it from Barnes and Noble if the cut is about the same everywhere.

roger — August 24, 2013 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Lard is making a comeback - Hopefully someday soon I'll be able to make REAL fried chicken with biscuits and white gravy again.

roger — August 24, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.

It never went away at my Wife's Aunt Ruby's house in Georgia. Breakfast is the best, three kinds of eggs, four kinds of pork, country potatoes, and fresh from the oven biscuits and lots of sausage gravy. Can't wait to get back there.

hawkeye — August 24, 2013 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I've never cared for biscuits and gravy. Whatever kind of biscuits or gravy.

Not the same as (mind you), but I got in trouble around the second grade for saying, "Shit on a shingle." See, I thought that's what it was. That's what they called it at home. I didn't know any better. A classmate asked me what was for lunch, and I said, "Shit on a shingle," right in front of a teacher.

Roger, I see the dead tree version can be had on Amazon for $13.50. The price from B&N; is 15 bones. An electro version can be had for $4.20 from either.

I don't set the prices, man. The publisher does that. I objected to "anything ninety-nine cents" so I'm thinking the $4.20 was a poke back at the author. I haven't a clue if the darn thing is entertaining enough to warrant such exorbitant pricing. There are (at least) three other folks here who'd be a bit more judicious in opinion. Perhaps they'll offer some word?

Speaking of, feel free guys to post a critique on the Amazon or B&N; site. Good, bad, mediocre, whatever. Heck, after that retired Chief said it was "total garbage" the rating went from over a million to 150 some-odd-thou. Heh. Thanks, Chief!

Oh, and you know (now that I think on it) I haven't a clue what my cut is. I do know what it is between myself and the publisher. I've a ball park on the printing (P.O.D.), but I
haven't the foggiest what B&N; or Amazon's take is.

Every month or so I get a check for anywhere from fifty to a couple hundred bucks. And I stock up on beer ;^)

Mrs. Drift had a social gathering to attend this evening. The butchered chunks of fowl are still under refrigeration. I had dried (smoked) fish with crackers and cheese for dinner. It's okay, I had a big lunch. Fried chicken tomorrow, fer sure. No biscuits.

Drift — August 24, 2013 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Vegas case points to potential threat from ‘sovereign citizen’ movement///

LAS VEGAS — A foiled plot to kidnap and execute Las Vegas police officers shows the potential for violence from a growing “sovereign citizen” movement that renounces government and is considered a domestic terror group at its extremes, experts and investigators said Friday.

Allegations that David Allen Brutsche, 42, and Devon Campbell Newman, 67, planned to confront police officers during traffic stops and kill them if they resisted show the possible volatility of official interactions with people committed to fighting governmental authority, they said.

“You look at their motivation — being that the government that gives the officer authority isn’t viable — and if they get a following, it’s a threat to be reckoned with,” said Kory Flowers, a Greensboro, N.C., police detective who studies sovereign citizen groups and teaches police about them.

“Even if it’s a crackpot idea, four or five guys can be a tactical assault team,” he said.

Heidi Beirich, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., counted seven killings of law enforcement officers by alleged sovereign citizen members in the past 10 years in South Carolina, Louisiana, Arkansas and California.

Brutsche and Newman stood before a judge Friday and told him they didn’t recognize his authority to keep them in jail.

Las Vegas Justice of the Peace Conrad Hafen had none of it.

“So noted,” he responded.

The judge made sure Brutsche and Newman read the criminal complaints against them, then sent them back to jail pending a Sept. 9 preliminary hearing on charges of felony conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit kidnapping and attempted kidnapping.

Police allege that Brutsche and Newman held training sessions about sovereign citizen philosophy, shopped for guns, found a vacant house to serve as a “jail” and prepared methods to bind captives.

A police report alleges that the two planned to post videos about their actions and sovereign citizen ideology after the first abduction.

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nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A smart write in the Letter section. Glad to see ALEC get some sunshine.

nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 11:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///What Trolls Are Doing to Our Politics, Our Culture... Our Brains///

"But let's think for a moment about "negative dialogue." On a societal level, particularly since the internet opened comment features under most offerings, negative dialogue has become the norm; the loud, persistent, often vicious norm of most online interaction. In fact, the degree of irrational response exchanged online is so high, so automatic, that one expects any article, no matter how logical, fact-based, positive, or even neutral, to be immediately ripped apart by trolls who seem bent on the task. Like well-trained pack dogs, marauders of mob mentality, this sub-culture pummels our societal dialogue with "no" in its every permutation, from insults and personal attacks, to snark, sarcasm and passive-aggressiveness; to outright threats and open hostility. Given what we've just read from Psychology Today, the question has to be asked: What is this doing to the brains of this growing and ever more vocal contingent? What is it doing to evolving (devolving) cultural discourse and interaction, fed by ever-more content of that ilk?"

nailingit — August 25, 2013 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 8:13 am: Incivility is a disease of the brain that metastasizes to the soul. It is addicting. At the base of it is fear and ignorance. We all are being desensitized to it and it is becoming the norm. It survives because it de-humanizes the targets, making such rancor easy-to-swallow.

One of the reasons this Forum is as successful as it is (and it is, folks), is that it is nearly impossible to de-humanize each other here. It is easier to listen to alternative points of view in a respectful manner because "the other" is someone with a name, a family, a life, hopes, dreams, and goals.
Urban Food Forests! Let's grow 'em!

Totally apolitical topic (I think): The Beacon Hill neighborhood in Seattle has become our nation's largest community "food forest." Totally cool!

I notice more urban farms in my walks through the downtown neighborhoods. Yards and parking strips no longer grow grass. Free range chickens, ducks, and turkeys roam and scratch through their home territories. My dog is totally entranced and confused. :)

Do you think the diverse population of Vancouver can rally around our own food forest movement?

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manthou — August 25, 2013 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 11:03 p.m.

I think you’ll find that the crackpots described in that write, are few and far between. Just like some violent leftist crackpots. Most everyone believes in the need for government. Just what government should do and what those RESULTS will be, is where the big divide is. An idea that seems lost on the Left, which seems to take it for granted that the house will be painted blue, “now let’s debate what shade.” You have done yourself and others a disservice by so fanatically cherry picking your news items and opinion pieces. An action which could easily be construed as extremism.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2013 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou on incivility and our forum here. Interesting observation - one that may generate some disagreement, depending on one's idea of what constitutes civil discussion. But I'm going to sidetrack - Remember back when the split to facebook happened, and Editor Lou (or maybe it was Marshal Matt) insisted people would be more likely to engage in polite conversation there, because real names were involved? That certainly failed to pan out!

roger — August 25, 2013 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: So true! I actually opined at the time that trolls who did not care if they revealed their identities would do far more damage to civil discourse.

Huffington Post is ending its anonymous comments now, citing that people are more likely to be civil if they have to "sign" their posts.

I think FB is so limited because it is designed for "hit and run" comments, not discussion. It is narcissistic in a way: I am going to tell you how I feel about this and be gone, as if that's all that matters.

We really learn when we engage in discussion and ask questions, probe. And for others to hear that discussion, it has to be respectful, otherwise, some really good ideas will never even be heard because no one wants to wade through the abuse to get to the good part.

manthou — August 25, 2013 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good points there, Manthou.the FB side is vitriolic to the max. Makes us here look alm and sweet.

Be reading you guys from afar next few weeks. Keep Clark County alive until I return!

luvithere — August 25, 2013 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

OMG. David Madore is going after C-Tran Attorney, Tom Wolfendale on Madore's FB page.

He is doing his public demonizing without due process and this is gonna hurt him. He is accusing Wolfendale, by implication, of all sorts of evils.

Just like you don't want to argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel, you don't want to argue with an attorney like Wolfendale and imply he is unethical.

Time for a libel suit.

By contrast, Madore canonizes the prosecuting attorneys who advise the BOCC. I always thought it was weird that Clark County used their prosecutors to advise government. They should stick to criminal law.....Well, maybe we DO need them at Clark County, afterall. :)

Matter of time. Madore is going to hang himself. He keeps pulling the noose tighter and tighter.

So much for my Sunday without politics.

manthou — August 25, 2013 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — August 24, 2013 at 11:03 p.m.


goldenoldie — August 25, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — August 25, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.

Interesting you assume these two (or this group) are of the "right" persuasion. I don't recall the article saying such. Was it the guns, the kidnappings, the murder of LE's, or the expectation of violence that brought you to this conclusion?

"You have done yourself and others a disservice by so fanatically cherry picking your news items and opinion pieces. An action which could easily be construed as extremism."

When someone produces an article you're not in agreement with you cite "cherry-picking" & "extremism". :) Whatever works for you.

On the off chance you might be making some sort of point, I reviewed my posts this week. (we could play pik-a-weak!) If you think my posting an article that favors voting rights, choice, regulatory control, truth in Government, etc. is "extremist", perhaps you should try it.

This article caught my eye in part, because it's generated from my home town. This is extremism knd. Taking up arms against our government. Not your silly accusations of someone doing such because someone posts something less than conservative. You sound quite sheltered.

Only one living in a delicate bubble filled with preconceived notions of what the world is to be could believe this. This is what "extreme bias" produces, as well as your coveted paper/pencil thinking.

Majorelle blue with a phthalo backgound is a good start. But given your palatte seems to consist of only black & white, try mixing them. Shades of grey do provide contrast.

Cats... can't live with them, and you can't live without em'.

nailingit — August 25, 2013 at 4:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cats... can't live with them, and you can't live without em'.

nailingit — August 25, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.

And it's damn difficult to herd them.....

hawkeye — August 25, 2013 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WA State definition for High Capacity Transit:

"High capacity transportation system" means a system of public transportation services within an urbanized region operating principally on exclusive rights-of-way, and the supporting services and facilities necessary to implement such a system...."

Madore is apparently failing to get what I've been complaining about for some time - The 4th Plain BRT project is nothing more than an oversized bus.

I watched that C-Tran Board meeting yesterday morning. It looked to me as though Madore doesn't prepare for the meetings; at least, he didn't read the handout prepared for that one. Even Connie Jo was getting irritated. But that body language throughout from Leavitt and Smith, and that comment about having other things to do beside be at the meeting from Leavitt, made Madore's stuff look tame. About half that meeting was citizen comments - perhaps unintentional (????), but the message he put out was that they were wasting his time as much as Madore was.

roger — August 25, 2013 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Why would anyone think cats can be herded?

roger — August 25, 2013 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You can do it with enough automated catnip mice.

hawkeye — August 25, 2013 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 6:47 pm: Did you notice how Larry Smith's voice was so shaky and angry? I thought he was going to cry, he was so livid about the surprise resolution. Madore does not like Tom Wolfendale's advice, so he is playing very unfair politics and airing it to his base to rile up the masses. This gives them about 3 weeks to gear up for the next C-Tran Board meeting.

I just don't see how Madore can think this latest trick (publicly shaming Tom Wolfendale because he did not like Tom's advice) will sit well with any of his colleagues on the C Tran Board. Or with Tom. It will play well with Madore's political base, though.

I think one of the CC prosecutors (how can these criminal lawyers advise the BOCC? It is technically outside their area of training and expertise) gave Madore an opinion that contradicted Wolfendale's. Wolfendale, however, is in the private sector and is considered a national expert on Transportation law. Hmmm, let's see. Who will win this argument in a court of law? Madore v C-Tran. I cannot wait.

manthou — August 25, 2013 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger,I think you would like Drifts book.It may bring back some memorys.On one other note I would like to ask all here why there has not been a national push on the deaths of 2 white men that were both murdered by black men.Are we living in a age where we just ignore the terrible things that all colors do?Or are just going to single out one group?Something just doe's not seem right to me.Please explain.

timerick — August 25, 2013 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Study: People Far Away From You Not Actually Smaller///

PRINCETON, NJ—According to a groundbreaking new study published Thursday in The Journal Of Natural And Applied Sciences, people who are far away from you are actually not, as once thought, physically smaller than you.

The five-year study, conducted by researchers at Princeton University, has shattered traditionally accepted theories that people standing some distance away from you are very small, and people close-by are very big.

“The data was irrefutable in demonstrating that when someone standing directly in front of you begins walking away, their body does not, as previously assumed, gradually shrink before eventually disappearing entirely,” said Dr. David Pinard, lead author of the study. “Rather, our findings indicate that they maintain their original size regardless of how tiny they may appear.”

This graphical representation explains the research team’s central hypothesis.
“Indeed, people who are far away may, in actuality, be larger than you are,” Pinard added.


“In what was probably our most telling experiment, we positioned two 5-foot-10-inch tall male subjects opposite one another at a distance of approximately 800 feet,” said Pinard. “We found that, though appearing no more than 4 centimeters in size to their respective counterpart, each subject remained at their original height of 5-feet and 10-inches at all times. In the next phase of the trial, the subjects began walking toward each other, and again, the results indicated that they were not growing taller and taller at exponential rates with every step, but instead once again remained at a constant height of 5 feet and 10 inches, with absolutely no variation in physical stature.”

“The experiment was further complicated when the two began walking toward one another at the same time,” Pinard added. “But after several hundred trials, we eventually concluded that a person, in fact, does not grow or shrink any faster depending upon the speed at which they move closer or further from you. In fact, as with our previous findings, we determined that they do not grow or shrink at all.”

The study has reportedly been met with some fierce criticism from both the general public and those within the scientific community, with several experts staunchly maintaining that not only do people get smaller when they move further away, but their voices also drastically diminish in volume to the point that they can no longer speak.

Many critics also remain adamant that a person ceases to exist if they are no longer visible in your line of sight, or if you close your eyes.,33594/

nailingit — August 25, 2013 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- A handsome clowder indeed.

nailingit — August 25, 2013 at 9:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Why would anyone think cats can be herded?

roger — August 25, 2013 at 6:52 p.m.

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