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If the commissioners wish to have an invocation before a meeting why not hold it outside before the meeting commences? That way they could get their religious fix and nobody could complain that the meeting would be in any way influenced by GOD!!!

JohnCasey — September 9, 2013 at 6:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

There's probably those who thinks the meetings are 'influenced by GOD'. However, there are those of us who think the commissioners USE God to influence the commissioners' own acolytes, sycophants, and followers.

jacjak — September 9, 2013 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It's only Madore doing what he does best. Pandering to his base. He really doesn't have anything else going for him so he has to make himself feel important by doing this. He got into office by promising that he's "shake things up" and so far everything he's done has cost the County money. I'm not so sure that's what he was elected to do.

hawkeye — September 9, 2013 at 6:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

John - You're trying to accommodate everyone. Our two Commissioners and friends want to share - whether the rest of us want shared with or not. I found a nice little Wiccan ritual to promote harmony - Wonder if they'd agree to participate in this?

roger — September 9, 2013 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good ideas to start off this crazy political week of Madore shenanigans in Clark County, guys.

Tonight at 5 pm, the Vancouver City Council will be holding a public work session to discuss the C-Tran Board composition changes proposed by Madore, which include giving up their block veto.

Tuesday is another long one for C-Tran, which starts at 4 pm with a work session, I believe, in the library. Madore's proposals, one to "pause" bus rapid transit planning and one to eliminate the CRC, will be discussed and voted on. Look for this meeting to last all night. :)

I am wondering if Madore will apologize to try to make amends to the many board members and support personnel he insulted so that he will have someone else to vote with him beside Mielke?

He does not yet know that there is a time for politicking and a time for collaboration and coalition-building. If he does not learn this, he and his proposals are toast. When you surround yourself with sycophants and YES bobbleheads and shut out any legitimate negative feedback, you get a skewed view of the world and you think you have more support than really exists. If you publicly punish and shame people who tell you the truth and say no to your risky ideas, you will be one lonely politician come election day.

manthou — September 9, 2013 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

-Wonder what creative write Jayne will have for us next week. Something like...

I love the letters.

Usually thoughtful, often insightful, occasionally wacky or silly or semi-coherent, our Letters to the Editor (and online comments) are one of the surprising pleasures of this job.-- (does anyone really believe that?)

Lately, the daily pile of screeds from readers has contained many, many thoughts about- Abortion.

I love LTTE's about Abortion.

And the following week...

I love the letters.

Usually thoughtful, often insightful, occasionally wacky or silly or semi-coherent, our Letters to the Editor (and online comments) are one of the surprising pleasures of this job.

Lately, the daily pile of screeds from readers has contained many, many thoughts about- Gun Control.

I love LTTE's about Gun Control.

And the week after that...

I love the letters.

Usually thoughtful, often insightful, occasionally wacky or silly or semi-coherent, our Letters to the Editor (and online comments) are one of the surprising pleasures of this job.

Lately, the daily pile of screeds from readers has contained many, many thoughts about Global Warming.

I love LTTE's about-Global Warming.......

-Say what you will about Laird. He was thoughtful, imaginative, and intellectually honest in his writes. Jayne should tend to the Box Scores again. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes the shoe just doesn't fit.

This 'throwing the folks a bone and watching them chew' week after week will get old after awhile. One of these times, Jayne will slip up and have a thought, or state an opinion about something.

And when he does, look out.

But for now, the Hounds are kept at bay.

Time for more coffee.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 7:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: So far, I am not impressed with Jayne in his NEW role (he was stellar in his old role). He seems a bit middle-of-the-road cautious to me. But, he may be feeling his way, hoping to find some solid ground before he lets loose in his columns.

As to how reporters really feel about their readers and their subjects, just spend some time reading reporter's Tweets.

manthou — September 9, 2013 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just as I and many others were "snookered" by the Syrian rebel execution video published recently, the Wall Street Journal had to issue a clarification about a source.

We need to be skeptical of what we read about Syria, chemical weapons, etc because the propaganda is seeping into MSM:

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manthou — September 9, 2013 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- I'm missing Laird! :( I'll get used to another I suppose. If I didn't pay attention to anything else in this paper, I was sure to catch John's column on Sunday's without fail.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Will will prioritize the public needs by helping first and foremost our citizens that can not help themselves, the sick and the elderly.



holycrapola — September 9, 2013 at 6:50 a.m.

Super! I remember your posts of a few years ago, you advocated (as a fix to our rising health care costs) refusing health care to the elderly, and letting them die in their homes.

You've had quite the turn-a-round.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Why is this Forum so beneficial?

Because those of us who participate are exposed to a greater range of political ideology than those who choose to use Twitter and FB to censor, filter and limit their exposure to only one side.

How Twitter and FB limit our world views:

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manthou — September 9, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"I think that you are making that up Nail, In this one, I demand the source, link, etc."

Demand away. You were morphing into alleycat from (I do forget which one, acehigh, phoenixrising etc.)

Not that it matters much, but I distinctly remember. It was the first time I dialogued with you.

You were channeling a Libertarian type thing. Personal responsibility and all that.

Would you arrest and detain Doctors who perform abortions? How about the would be Moms? You believe government should exercise authority over the most personal of all personal things. Our bodies. The farthest thing from free will and personal responsibility one can possibly get.

"I don't believe or support abortion, not even in a rape case."

Of course you don't.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

HC I can see some of your points about abortion.I don't agree with the rape part.What I don't like is that a large segment of our society uses abortion as their personal birth control.That is just not right.

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick- No one cheers abortion as a good thing, but as a society, we've made a choice. ref. Roe v Wade.

My question is about enforcement. Should we return the past and make it a back room procedure? If so, what are the criminal repercussions for those facilitating and having abortions?

Confinement? Fines? Long term imprisonment? Eye for an eye and impose a death sentence?

This was decided 50 years ago.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry...40 years ago..but still..

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

///The Area 51 truthers were right///

The government misled us about Area 51 for decades. Why aren't we outraged?

For years people in Nevada saw something in the sky, and when they reported this information to the government or the Air Force, they were deflected and given responses from Project BLUE BOOK. In essence, these individuals saw something real, and the government told them it didn’t exist—or was a misinterpretation. This is what is so frightening; by controlling and choosing how to disseminate information, the government becomes a major stakeholder in what is real—and what is not.

How does it affect the American psyche when people who clearly see something are told they are wrong? How does if affect the way we see ourselves as a culture when huge sections of our country are mysteriously stricken from the grid? And are we making an unconscious choice when we fail to be outraged over government coverups?

“So many of us are willing to accept restrictions on our freedom,” said Goldberg, “restrictions on our privacy, based on our great fear of terrorism, based on our fear of tyranny. I’m concerned that we’re willing to restrict the Constitution, to restrict our own powers because of our great fears.”

For the sake of argument, let’s imagine that the most “popular” conspiracy theories were revealed to be true—the federal government was behind the assassination of JFK; 9/11 was an inside job; and the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood—how would our country react? Would we riot? Or would we close our eyes and pretend like nothing happened?

Read more @

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

No. You had it somewhat right the first time.

It's not only fair and reasonable, it's evidenced based reality.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Boy nail you are on a roll this morning.Way to many thought provoking things to think about.How about bigfoot?

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nail: Anything is possible with government coverups. This makes conspiracy theories more credible.

Experience, over time, has taught us that governments lie and manipulate the message the public hears. They get away with it because the populace does not question or challenge or do their own research. When they do question, it is usually using sound bites fed to them by smarter politicians.

manthou — September 9, 2013 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Lot's of Government cover ups for sure.. But now your sounding like one of my sons who even thinks the WTC collapses and How the airplanes didn't actually bring them down but it was our government who planted explosions to bring them down...You make alot of good points here but lets not go Conspiracy hunting.. Remember you have always been against conspiracies~~~~~~Especially if they din't fit your Political viewpoint....Check out Art Bell overnight...

vanwadreamer — September 9, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"How about bigfoot?"

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.

A Corporate footwear conspiracy to further sales of Double D widths & beyond.

Although, I dated, once, this Grateful Dead fan in the late sixties, she gave me pause to think there was something to it.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — September 9, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. Where you been?

Just food for thought. I'm not so naive that I don't believe Government covers a lot of things up. They do. But yeah, the conspiracies pushed by Conservative media concerning many things don't wash.

Area 51 has always had a place in my heart, and was close to home for many years. I'm not in favor with exploiting alien vortexes, but they do deserve recognition. :)

I like my conspiracies politically balanced, preferably with a slice of reality & pie to go with it.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.

timerick- Not that it matters, it was actually the summer of 72'. Something I've tried to block out for more years than I care to remember.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, Grateful Dead date? Whatever you heard, chalk it up to the air you breathed.
Area 51, probably not much to it. However, it's a big universe, why should there not be intelligent life out there? Of course, a few minutes on earth, and those intelligent beings would leave.
Once more enjoying some decent German wine here (it is evening here), feeling Grateful Dead kinda mellow.

luvithere — September 9, 2013 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Read more @

Man, talk about yellow journalism!
Is dude trying to rile-up the villagers, or what?

What is the military supposed to do, invite folks to come look at all the neat stuff they're currently working on?

"Hey, you wanna see a cool airplane that can fly on the edge of space and take photos of license plates? Now, don't tell the bad guys, okay?"

Yeah, right.

I want to see the cadavers of extraterrestrials. I've seen plenty of aircraft, thanks; both secret and not.


Drift — September 9, 2013 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit- We didn't attend a show, but she talked non-stop about Garcia & the boys. My God, I'm delving deeper into my nightmarish date...

Area 51, probably not much to it.

luvithere — September 9, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.

I'm reluctant to say it in such a tough unforgiving format as this but...I have personal knowledge in this area. I'll leave it at that.

We are not alone.

Drift- Just about to post and saw yours. I agree. Just a PR stunt from our military.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — September 9, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.

Sure about that?


Area 51...who the F cares. Nail, diverting the issue...

Although it might seem alien, some of us are capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time.........

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 11:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails, you got an interesting history, do feel free to share highlights anytime. If I read your comment correctly (due to good vino might not have), did you say that you have personal knowledge of alien life? Personally, I am a believer life is out there. Not egocentric enough to think our little speck of blue is the only one capable of life. The universe is large. But I also believe we are off the track enough not to be visited. Or not frequently. Some folks here... i wonder.

holy, I bite. I am pro abortion. That's how I feel and there's not much anybody can say to change my opinion. A cell is not life. Men don't tell me what to do with my body. Period. Out. Over.

luvithere — September 9, 2013 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As Drift says - Who cares if our gov't lied to conceal the existence of the U2? We want ET!!!

roger — September 9, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Honestly, holy, I drank the wine but your comment at 12:16 makes me think you suffer the consequences. Stick to coherent thinking!

luvithere — September 9, 2013 at 12:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Fine, let me state I am pro abortion. Period, over.

luvithere — September 9, 2013 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh holy, I stated my position here many times in the past. Don't feel I need to or want to now.

And somebody who wants to castrate others and recently pretty much called for the destruction of the Middle East, executions, etc, you need to look in the mirror and stop judging others on one topic which you like to call murder.

luvithere — September 9, 2013 at 12:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Totally agree the conspiracies should be "Fair & Balanced"..Thanks for agreeing with me there. I do like Sci Fi, Makes the nrain think sometimes of what might be. I think it has also helped push our scienbtific community, even our NASA progarms..I'm sure Strek Trek helped push the cell phone industry into developing smaller better communication styles..

On another note. MEDICAL provide Assuarant wants me to fill out for them to except any claims for future med claims of pre existing injuries. So they want last 5 years of medical records from Doctor and last 3 years of any meds..

In addition have many checked on what the cost of insurance would be on the Washinton exchange.. I did last week and a month ago and they were still the same. Much more expensive than what I'm paying now, almost double for the two of us...So what I'm thinking is the companies already allowed to sell in the state will start raising their rates to get more inline with the stae exchanges , why because they can and they'll make more money...

vanwadreamer — September 9, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HC, I'll bite also..

First off pregnancy due to rape is (last time I looked) less than 1%.

Second, I have said it before and will say it again, I only agree to abortion IF the mothers life is endangered.
I know of personally many young females that have used it for non other than birth control, that is just too too wrong. One I know used abortion 7 times before she finally woke up.
I really, for the life of me can not understand how anyone could choose to abort.
But that is my opinion/my belief and I will not stand in anyone's way of making the choice to seek one if that is what they want.

AS far bombing Assad..again I say NO! I don't think he did the chemical attack, I think it was Al-Qaeda.

ELISI — September 9, 2013 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — September 9, 2013 at 6:54 a.m

Unlike you, I do have a job and it's NOT looking for your mistakes. I barely read your posts anymore, they are just white noise to me. A constant droning going on and on and on.

As for abortion, it's none of my business what a woman does with her body and I have no right to tell her one way or the other, and neither do you.

As for aliens (ET style), yes.

hawkeye — September 9, 2013 at 5:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And here we go again. I think we’ve all weighed in on this before.

No one cares what a woman does with her own body. The problem is what a woman does with someone else’s body. Saw an interesting observation on FB a few weeks ago. The fetus has its own unique DNA, separate from that of the mother which means it is clearly not part of the woman’s body.

The issue is unlike any other. Abortion rights is a dilemma which will only be solved by some new technology of the future. In the mean time, AFAIC, Roe v. Wade is the best decision that could have been made taking everything into consideration, but stop with the euphemisms of “reproductive rights” and “war against women” nonsense.

I’ll also never denounce those who favor anti-abortion laws, for reasons that should be obvious.

kn_dalai — September 9, 2013 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Holycrapola, I'm right there with ELISI when it comes to abortion. If the mother's life must be saved through an abortion with no other alternative, then I should be done. If the fetus has no chance of life outside the womb...again, I agree with abortion.

Otherwise, no abortion. Zip. Nada. Zilch!!! Any man who is so careless to impregnate multiple women with no recourse to man up to the job of fatherhood responsibilities or the fact he has no brains to consider the issues of STD's or the responsibility of parenthood...then he should be neutered. The same goes for women who haven't a clue as to who their "baby daddies" are to their half dozen offspring...need to be spayed. (Jeez, this sounds like a Springer or Povich moment, lol.)

goldenoldie — September 9, 2013 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HC and goldenoldie,

You may want to look at elisi again @4:22 p.m. As I read it, elisi is making a distinction between personal beliefs versus government involvement. A good distinction to make in all things.

kn_dalai — September 9, 2013 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Michelle Obama says no strike on Israel.

And once she put that out, John Kerry got his marching orders. That little comment of his that if Assad hands over his chemical weapons then we'll consider backing off wasn't a slip up.

roger — September 9, 2013 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ooops!!!! That should have read Syria.

roger — September 9, 2013 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

City Council Workshop done.

Jeanne Stewart and Bill Turlay agree with the rest of the Council (wonder of wonders): Vancouver should retain 3 seats on C-Tran Board and retain block veto.

All three attorneys involved rendered different opinion on the loss of the block vote. Tom Wolfendale is the one they should defer to, since he has to clean up any messes involved.

Bill Turlay had no idea that the C-Tran composition committee makes the composition decision, not the C-Tran board.

Turlay and Stewart's opinions tonight will not please Madore, one of their big campaign contributors. Why are they distancing themselves from him? Worried about being (re) elected?

Tomorrow's C-Tran meeting will be a fight.

manthou — September 9, 2013 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'm afraid we disagree. My point is that Roe v. Wade is the best decision that can be made at the government level.

kn_dalai — September 9, 2013 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

We may become a majority....yeahhhh ;)

holycrapola — September 9, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.

So what! Since when have you been a "team" person? All I ever hear from you is ME, ME, ME! Maybe you can invent another troll name and vote yourself over the line. Whooopie!!

hawkeye — September 9, 2013 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Chargers be looking good in their MNF home opener. Hard to believe the season is already upon us.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 9, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yep Nail it is good to have football back.I did want the Eagles and Chip Kelly to lose.May be next time.HC I am done with the abortion talk.We have been through this a zillion times.The law is the law.We live by it.

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 8:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.

I just caught a bit of the first game. The Eagles looked pretty tough. Looks like the Seahawks have found them a good QB in Wilson.

Man. It's Halloween next month. Time sure fly's.

nailingit — September 9, 2013 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yes we are almost on the holiday season.The older I get the less I look forward to it.All the kids are older and the grand kids are to.Not as much fun as when they were younger.

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

IF I CAN GET THE ADDRESSES, would anyone be interested in sending "CARE" packages to Catholic humanitarian outposts that care for people in poor villages and urban centers in India?

They would be given directly to individual families in great need.

DeeLittle — September 9, 2013 at 11:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry. Didn't give enough information.

The boxes would contain basic food supplies of grain; millet, rice, wheat etc. There's no expectation of recurring donations. It's strictly whatever you want to send, whenever you want to send.

ALSO...if enough are interested in doing this, I'll get the necessary customs information, etc.

FWIW... this could be a charitable donation for tax purposes

DeeLittle — September 9, 2013 at 11:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This is waaaay too much politicandy.

Both the House and Senate are debating Syria on separate C-Span stations. If that isn't enough, Kerry is bumbling his way through a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Syria on all major stations.

All Hail Putin! The Peacemaker! Not! But A Better Solution. Kerry's Pathetic!

Hillary got out just in time.

More coffee..

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The DOJ doing some shuffling of prosecutors in the Eastern District of North Carolina after widespread misconduct exposed.

I know one prosecutor who left this office early this year for another job. He was a good person and I suspected his leaving had a lot to do with his boss, Rudy Renfer, now under investigation. He knew what was going on there.

Very glad to see Eric Holder cleaning house and hope he continues to do so. As for Thomas Walker saying he does not think the malfeasance was intentional? Yeah, right. Whatever you need to save face.....

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manthou — September 10, 2013 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 9, 2013 at 6:41 p.m.

As I'd said before, I agree with ELISI's stance on abortion. Holycrapola "dared" us to speak not remain silent. I was away from the computer most of the day so was unable to make my statement till yesterday afternoon.

When I made my statement, I failed to include government intervention. Now I'll share what I believe. Remember...this is my opinion and mine only.

When it comes to elective abortions out of convenience, the government at all levels should outlaw ANY and ALL such practices. Anybody getting a back door abortion should be prosecuted for premeditated murder of the unborn. Anybody involved in the procedure should be considered for the same charge as well as aiding and abetting.

When it comes to abortion of a fetus out of extreme medical reasons, the doctor would bear the decision-making process through the laws that would be set whether or not the fetus would be aborted.

When it comes to abortion of a fetus out of proven, aggravated rape...I consider this a crime compounded by another crime. Two wrongs don't make a right. There's a little pill called the "day after pill" which can be used immediately and can prevent fertilization. The problem here is...lack of educating the public regarding the availability of the pill. Regarding prosecution of the female for aborting a fetus from aggravated rape, that is a difficult decision since the female is already going through the turmoil of the violation of her personal well being in the first place. Sadly, some victims feel dirty and less of a woman because the rapist violated her and tortured her (sometimes a family friend or even relative...disgusting, I know) and she is afraid to seek help. In the instance of a delayed seek for police or medical intervention (say the woman is 2-3 months along) rather than would be in the best interest of the governing body to help her deal with the heinous crime she endured as well as helping her deal with the pregnancy (which I believe there are agencies out there to help. If not, there's also religious groups who help the victims.). If she refuses to keep the child at term, she should adopt out.

Again, the last example is a difficult one...there's no definitive answer as to what would be right or wrong, hence the reasoning why there's no laws to that matter.

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Hillary DID get out before this hell broke loose.

I am glad you can watch the C-Span debates. Keep us posted. I find it so troubling.

manthou — September 10, 2013 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.

My opinion??? I think Kerry may have unwittingly dropped the "Peace Bomb," in jest...or is it??? For all we know (yes, conspiracy theory)...this is a possible way for the international community to degrade the POTUS and his political strength in the world, reducing the USA's credibility as the world police leader. Kerry makes the comment, Putin jumps in and provides the initiative...making Putin look stronger than the POTUS.

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 10, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.

I've long held Prosecutors (Fed & local) need to be held to a higher standard than they are. Jail time for those who abuse their power should not be a rarity, but the norm.

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — September 9, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.

Yes, we do agree on abortion for the most part, give or take my comment about when abortion should be legal. IMO, it's all about timing.

Regarding Luke on. The only problem was in the mathematics when it came to coming up with a price tag. Now...was that intentional or was that an honest error?

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — September 9, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.

You have a heart of gold, my dear. Always thinking of others.

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, well, well...lookie here...

Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons, German paper says

ELISI — September 10, 2013 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.

I won't labor over abortion much more. I agree with timerick that it grows weary. But I will say your statement is a more than a sad commentary on what we are to expect from government. Remember-the heavy handed government tactics you endorse will turn on you at some point.

I don't always see eye to eye with knd, but I appreciate his reminders as to what our Government's role should be.

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This is suicide prevention week and Clark County and Vancouver honored this with two proclamations.

A suicide jumper from the Glenn Jackson bridge this morning. Our soldiers taking their own lives in record numbers (a major reason why I oppose another Middle East war.....) This article from The Oregonian about Oregon soldiers. You can find similar articles everywhere.

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manthou — September 10, 2013 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

go...although your solution would create jobs. We'd have to build thousands of concentration camps for those doctors & women to await trial on murder charges, as well as find custodial services for the hundreds of thousands of children left parentless.

And it only makes sense, considering the pre-med murder charge, that the fathers are charged as well in this, no doubt, co-conspiratal act.

And what relatives knew, (of this pre meditated murder) and when did they know it?

It would also create millions of jobs in the legal profession.....more jobs!

Hey, I'm starting to like your idea-it creates jobs!!!

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Prez is holding off! He just E-Mailed Kerry! While he was testifying! Unless I'm hallucinating!

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Smells like catfish.

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oregon East "EAGLES" put a lickin on the Skins last night. What a joy to watch if your into football... Kelly was laughing his ARS off the entire first half... He called the dogs off in the 2nd half..No need to put it all out there... You have to hand it to people who choose to do or try something different in the face of the status quo...

So Timerick, why you hatin on Kelly?? Inquiring minds want to know..

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Vanwadreamer this is just my opinion,Kelly in my mind has always supported illegal and criminal actions from members of his college teams.He backs them up or just slapped them on the hand when they messed up.I just think that is not the way to teach people to be responsible.Just my opinion.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

OH WOW..Illegal and Criminal.. That's a staement that is called "SLANDERIS".. Hope he doesn't check into the basement here.... Let me see Legarrette Blount puches Boise player, coach Kelly benches him rest of season. Johnny Football Signs his name on jerseys and profits from collectors gets 1/2 game suspension... Cliff harris pulled over for speeding and smoking pot kicked off team..Have you already dipped into the bottle in your desk.. Or are you just someone who likes to hate on people without facts.I've attended almost every home game last 6 years and have had a chance to speak with Mr Kelly and some of his coaches and have come away with respect for him and his coaches and players.

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

spell check Slanderous OOPPs

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:54 a.m and 8:14 a.m. -

Always remember, to have your pet spayed and neutered!!!


goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 11:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — September 10, 2013 at 8:10 a.m.

I didn't say I agreed with her. I just noted she's always thinking about ways to help those in dire need. What is happening in India is tragic but like you say, if we can't help those in our immediate can we turn our backs on them to help someone far, far away? If we could help everyone, there wouldn't be the problems in the first place.

It's all about an individual choice of who it is we want to help...the helpless or the hopeless???

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Vanwadreamer like I said it is just my opinion nothing more and nothing less.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Opinions must have some substance or you wouldn't arrive at the one you have..It's like yelling fire in a theater but there isn't a fire...
Now we have LES Miles Staff paying players, having them set up with escorts and the such.. That is Scandalous, The Chipster's staff made too many cell phone calls and paid a recruiting service 25K for poor film... We have coaches lying about what players did and covering them up.. Ohio Sate Tressell.. These coaches are just like politicians if you ask me. Thier public figures and are under great scrutiny and when you start winning people start digging deeper... I'm sure you have even done something in your life Illegal or criminal.. I know I have.. I smoked pot once but never inhaled ..LOL
I see your O for your Avitar, what you say ??

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm all for ethics in sports. That's why I'm a Nebraska fan. Go Big Red!


nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 12:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pres Obama has a bigger problem on his plate than Syria. It appears Boehner has lost control of a significant portion of the House Repubs, and they're pushing to refuse funding for the ACA. The latest I read says they'll agree to a continuing resolution of 30 days, and want the military cuts under sequestration stopped. But their ultimate goal seems to be to cause government shutdowns to start happening, unless the ACA goes away. Obama and Reid will say NO - ACA is at the core of Obama's Presidential legacy. The Novemebr elections will be quite interesting. Most sources show the Repubs keeping the House, but the Senate predictions are all over the place. If the Repubs do take the Senate, then Obama might as well resign; everything he's worked for will be killed.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

We argued abortion extensively here just a few months ago. I personally see no reason to revisit the topic.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 12:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal



The Honorable Jay Inslee, Governor

Dear Columbia River Crossing Coalition Members:

Thank you for your recent letter and for your continued leadership and support on the bi-state effort to replace the I-5 Bridge across the Columbia River. I agree with you that this century-old bridge must be replaced, and I share your concerns that the state legislature adjourned without passing a transportation investment package that would have funded the project.

As you know, the existing bridge has been designated 'functionally obsolete' by WSDOT and 'fracture critical' by ODOT. Its structural rating is just 18 out of 100. By comparison, the I-5 bridge that collapsed over the Skagit River crossing was the same basic steel truss bridge, but it had a higher rating of 47 out of 100.

Part of the I-5 Columbia River structure was built during World War I, and the bridge is built on wooden pilings in the riverbed that do not extend into sturdier bedrock. The current bridge has narrow shoulders and lanes that result in a higher number of accidents and corresponding traffic delays. Because of seismic vulnerabilities, our state may lose this critical connection in the event of a strong earthquake.

Growing congestion in the corridor also threatens freight movement with consequences for our regional jobs and economy. Each year $41 billion worth of commerce crosses the bridge, moving goods up and down the West Coast. This is predicted to increase to $71 billion by 2030. The Columbia River Crossing (CRC) is the last remaining stop sign on I-5, and it can take hours for traffic to recover from a back-up caused by a bridge lift. This disrupts commerce and degrades quality of life for commuters trying to get home to their families.

Because these problems are regional in nature, we have always approached the project in a bi­ state manner. CRC was a bi-state project when it was first constructed in 1917, and it will remain a bi-state project in whatever form it takes next. We value our longstanding working relationship and friendship with the people of Oregon, and I want to assure you that this spirit of collaboration and partnership will continue.

I appreciate your support of an expedited review of the bi-state phased approach that allows Washington to improve its interchanges at a future date but keeps the project on schedule and eligible for federal funding. Given the current situation, an Oregon-managed bi-state project merits further investigation and I've directed WSDOT to do a thorough review of its feasibility.

Everyone can agree that the problem has not gone away, and I believe that working together we can solve it. Interstate 5 is the major artery of our state's transportation system. After an extensive public process that generated 12,000 comments, produced over 1,000 public meetings and took 16 years, it's critical that we find a path to move forward and replace this bridge.

Very truly yours,
Jay Inslee

manthou — September 10, 2013 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Chip Kelly's reported sin was paying that scout in Texas to steer a few high profile recruits to Oregon. Sounds like Chipper would fit right in with the SEC, if true. But there's also info on the Ducky fan websites that claims the real issue was that the head of the NCAA investigations office is a UDub grad with an axe to grind. Whatever.

The first half was great - Philly brutalized a pretty good Redskins team. I'm not sure what they were trying to do in the second half.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HC abortion is a very personal thing for most people.whether we are for it or against it makes no difference here.It is the law of the land.If one doesn't like it then work to get the law changed.To ask someone to say whether they are for or against is very personal for some.I have no problem I am for it in certain circumstances.I don't believe it should be used for birth control.There are far better means than abortion.Now that being said lets drop the subject and move on.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The only way anything Gov Inslee has to say about the CRC matters any more is if Gov Kitz can get the Oregon legislature to agree to extend the deadline for WA's participation past 30 September, AND if the Senate has a change in power in Novemebr that leads to the "Majority Coalition" going away. (Senator Toms is a major target.) He would also have to get Senator Murray to come on line and say the New Starts funding for LRT would still be there. That is a pretty major "if" - about as big as the hurdles the Oregon Treasurer's office is ID'ing with their go it alone assessment. I'm still of the opinion that the Oregon Legislature will refuse to consider the CRC revival during their special session until PERS is settled, and that there will be enough heartburn developed over that issue that they'll see even more defections from the CRC supporters from the regular session. (They just lost one yesterday; a Repub from somewhere who plans on running against Kitz.)

roger — September 10, 2013 at 2:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Tim, you're saying it politely.

HC - You do not dictate what we talk about here. I'll respond if you've got something worthwhile to say, but that's so infrequent that most of the time I won't bother.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger have you noticed how quiet Moeller has been about what Oregon is doing or not doing.It makes me wonder what he has up his sleeve.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.

Seriously, I don't think Chip (himself) did anything differently than any other coaches do. It doesn't stop with just the coach, it goes farther up the chain of command and long before Chip was coach. These things go on ALL the time until the NCAA finally gets around to your specific situation. The coach doesn't go it alone.

As for the Eagles, that was a Hell of a game. 53 plays in the first half, those Indians had no idea what was happening to them. Sure, RG III was back but when you can't stop your opponent, all the passing in the world isn't going to help. The Eagles are really going to be fun to watch this year. Chip Kelly is going to be the driving force to a new NFL. And it's about time.

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 10, 2013 at 2:05 p.m

You know what they say,

Never wrestle with a pig, you just get muddy and the pig likes it.

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — September 10, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.

Well, you ARE dumber than you look.

I believe I did, in fact, state my position and you whined about it and now you are whining about it more. Sounds to me like you have lost your gonads. Maybe you should whine about that for a while.

"Stick to football, the opium of the ignorant...a time waster..."

Guess you couldn't play, huh?

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, "the opium of the ignorant" is that Catholic church you've been going to.

Now, whine about that for a while.

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 3 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk & Vanwa,I guess what upsets me most is the advantage that these young men get to play a sport,any sport in college.Then if they are good enough to go pro they talk and act like they have no education.They have learned 0 respect for their self or others.I put a lot of this on the back of the coach's.And you are right it is not just Chip Kelly or Oregon it is most likely all colleges.To me it is a waste of a good education that a kid with good academics does not get a chance at.Again this is just the way I feel.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I couldn't agree more. That's one of my pet peeves. You get a kid that has gone through four years of college at a great school like U of O and he hasn't learned a damn thing. AND he sounds like a thug. Football will only take you so far in life, you need something to fall back on after you've shattered your leg and can no longer play. Look at Howie Long, smart, articulate and can put more than five words together in a sentence. You have to admire someone like that.

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Tim and Hawk - Agreed, but only to a small degree. Most college athletes realize that they have no chance of playing pro sports during their freshman year. They either take advantage of the opportunity to get a degree using their scholarship, or they decide it's beyond their ability and they tend to go away. It's the superstar players - the ones that get the special tutoring, etc, so they can hang in and pass "sports communications" courses - that are really the waste of a good spot in the school. And I'm sure the boosters invest enough that most schools don't mind. They just justify it as contributing to the overall experience.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 3:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yep Roger you are right.And the superstars come out as uneducated idiots.Not all but a good share of them.Take a look at all pro sports.What percentage end up in trouble with the law.We read about it every day.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Tim - Many of Jim Moeller's recent comments have had a tone of desperation and even bitterness to them. I think his last shot will be a special session, which the Senate seems to be less than agreeable to. (It's a plan for getting on the schedule before King and crew have a chance to finish their little fact gathering sessions and have their counter proposals ready.)

And maybe you've noted his refusal to answer my question on whether he'd support tolling I205, if Oregon requests it?

roger — September 10, 2013 at 3:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And maybe you've noted his refusal to answer my question on whether he'd support tolling I205, if Oregon requests it?

roger — September 10, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.

Isn't there a law on the books against that very proposal? Seems like i saw that somewhere.

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Rog,

Oregon Paid Willie Lyles for his couting service not for steering players to Oregon.The NCAA spent two years and interviewed 7 players and numerous others that choose not to come to Oregona nd there were no violations. The violations they did have were all for over contact with recruits.. Some staff memebers placed over 300 calls to propestive player recruits. The two main coaches were fired as well for these infraction two years ago. It's big business no getting around it, but Chip has way more Ethical Standards than what you think. SEC coaches and Big ten aka OSU and Terrell Pryor and manzeil for the sake of argument were not benched by the head coach for an entire season nor were they kicked off the team Both Blount and Harris both ALL Americans to be were..

It's like this, I would have no problem firing my best salesperson if he sold unethically, nor would Kelly bench or cut his best players... Keep good ethics and morals and you'll be hard pressed to be lacking in respect.

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 10, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.

Don't you just love how out of touch with the facts our state leadership possesses???

According to articles by our illustrious(?) Columbian and KATU, reports by ODOT and WSDOT stated the I-5 Bridges are structurally sound. They admitted that in a 9.0 earthquake, the bridges would most likely fail (duh) and that if there was a direct hit to a segment of the bridge with structural defects, there would be damage (another duh).

Also...I notice in the letter, Governor Inslee failed to mention the foundation upgrades made on the first of the two bridges the year after the second one was built.

They tell 'em what they want them to hear.

Don't you just love political spins!!!

Yes, the bridges could be eventually replaced, but not at the cost of bankrupting the working class citizens who have no choice but to travel to Orygun for work since our own county can't seem to generate enough jobs to reduce the additional traffic into Orygun, let alone add taxes to the rest of the hard working population.

goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yes Roger I have noticed he has not answered your question.But he is famous for doing that.He does not like it when you ask a direct yes or no question.I have tied a few times also and got no response.If you remember a year or so ago there was a fellow I believe his name is Allen that kept asking the same question over and over and finaly the Columbian took him off.Same with Robert Dean.The Columbian does not like it if someone else goes after Moeller.Poor old Hawkeye he got kicked off also.But I believe it was for something different.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks for your reply. Now I see where you are coming from. There seems to be some truth to your comment about the ones that go Pro. Your comment about a kid that has good grades doesn't get this opportunity, well that is always been a little misconception. If you have good grades there are many colleges to choose from to go to. I have helped mnay young people get into a college even though they didn't have the best grades or they did, they just didn't end up going to the same school.. My darling little girl played a sport in college D-1 and went pro in another arena. She is doing just fine and pulls from her tremendous experience that sports and her coaches have helped her become the person she is today. Life is not easy today. You reep the rewards which you work so hard for...We all should help the next generation make things better than ttomorrow than they are today. At least I am involved in all my children where many parents look at High school and age 18 as the time the kid hits the bricks... Your not my problem anymore is there MONTRA....

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — September 10, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.

Would you like to cite a reference for those numbers or is this something you got from your "Priest"?

You know the ONLY reason the Catholic church is against abortion is because they want as many little Catholic babies running around as possible. That's why they are against contraception. They figure the more members, the more money. It's ALL about the mighty dollar!

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I love Tom Mielke: he is opining about a "mute point."

I think he means "moot."

Not the sharpest tool in the legislative shed.

manthou — September 10, 2013 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Vanwadreamer Thanks.I to helped my kids.There was no scholarship money.My Daughter went to Western and my youngest son went to Universal Tech. School in Arizona.Currenly we have a grandson going to Central on a academic scholarship and a granddaughter just starting at Western Oregon on a soccer scholarship.Both grand kids were 4.0 in high school.I think both will do fine.It takes more than 18 years to raise a child.I don't think we are ever done as parents.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk & Roger better duck.It looks like you are both in the sights.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"""You know the ONLY reason the Catholic church is against abortion is because they want as many little Catholic babies running around as possible."""

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.

Care to cite your reference to this statement???


goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A whole lot of people mispronounce 'moot' as 'mute'. I suspect we could list a lot more. I can't even pronounce 'cray on' when speaking at normal speed, and have always said 'cran' - which actually appears to be acceptable in some dictionaries.

But a 'moot point' can range from being a debatable one to an irrelevant one. So if he spent more than about 15 seconds opining about said point, I'll agree he's probably wasting time. Be thankful it wasn't Madore - He'd have spent at least 15 minutes, and then asked for a legal opinion. Once he didn't like that answer, he'd have spent more time discussing why the lawyer was wrong. Meanwhile, Mayor Tim and his sidekick Larry Smith would be sighing and slouching and otherwise showing displeasure. Which of course would just spur Madore to continue, and perhaps allow Mielke to add his "what did he just say?" comments. Because - the way I see it - that's what it's all about - to irritate the crap out of Mayor Tim and his side.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I make exactly one judgment about Chip Kelly and his time with the Ducks - He served up some of the most entertaining football in the land.

And I'll agree with backing off on the comparison to SEC teams for another reason. Seems he pissed off the big money boosters in Portland for canceling out on the Thursday visits to schmooze with them during football season, and instead just videotaped his remarks and sent them up. No SEC coach would have the cajones to do that!!

roger — September 10, 2013 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Fair enough, roger.

Both Madore's resolutions fail.

On to Leavitt's........

manthou — September 10, 2013 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Michele Bachmann: 'If We Cry Out To God,' We Can Stop Hillary Clinton In 2016///

When it comes to the prospect of Hillary Clinton running for president in 2016, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) appears to be relying on higher powers to step in.

In a Monday interview with right-wing radio host Jan Markell, Bachmann was asked whether she was "one of those who just assumes" that Hillary Clinton will be "coronated."

I don’t at all because I look at the story of David and Goliath," Bachmann said, according to audio posted by Right Wing Watch. "All David needed was one smooth stone to fell the giant. It wasn’t the stone, it wasn’t David, it was the strong right arm of a Holy God.”

Bachmann then extrapolated that story to 2016, saying that it's "up to us" to communicate with Him.

“If we repent, if we cry out to God, we have no idea what the Lord God will do for us in 2016," Bachmann said.

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Madore made a decent point when citing contradictions. And now Leavitt is saying he didn't believe the 2008 decision meant the voters should approve the funding plan? Hmm... I'm sitting here waiting to hear Steve Stuart's vote.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A simultaneous post with a male avatar. I not sure how I feel about that. If roger lights up a cigarette and looks for something in the fridge, I'll be more than worried.

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Right now we're on the menu." Steve Stuart.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Steve Stuart took over the discussion - cut Leavitt's research proposal (one with a lot of language supporting the old CRC plan) to a short and sweet "give us some details" one, and then set the date/time. Good for him.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Get your financial situation in order, career, occupation, craft, etc, love somebody, then raise a family if you want to. It is the responsible thing to do.

holycrapola — September 10, 2013 at 4:49 p.m

Wow, you really think that's how it happens.

Better check in with Dr. Cocteau. Or maybe YOU ARE Dr. Cocteau. That would explain a lot.


Care to cite your reference to this statement???


goldenoldie — September 10, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.

Sorry, I thought everyone was familiar with logic.

hawkeye — September 10, 2013 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

-Clearly people (Stuart in particular) are exasperated with Madore. It was nice to see Dave's poorly worded resolution go in the dumpster. (If I understood this correctly, I was in and out) David seems waay sophmorish compared to the others. I'd thought he'd wrap his head around process & decorum quicker than this.

2 term Timmy looked buff-Meilke did his Mumble-Stuart was the man in the room-I'm trying with this local stuff-but it's tough-the unforgiving horror that sometime unfolds when Meilke the Mumblelator & Yessir Massa Madore take centre Stage. It can be...


nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

HC I will say BS to the catholic church.I put 2 kids through 12 + years.Both graduated from Central Catholic in Portland.My daughter did a paper on the history of the Catholic Church for her senior paper.It pointed out all the atrosoties the church did in there quest to tame the heathens.They killed and persicuted thousands of people in their quest.Now you say they are the ones.I don't think so.Look back at their complete history.By the way she got a A plus on the paper.The Bishop from Portland gave her a special award for the paper.My daughter has passed away now but my son would be happy to argue this point with you.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail,thanks for the humor I think we all needed that.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ok humor is over go to the comments on the C and read what Loren wrote.Is this guy for real.He thinks his guy can not make mistakes.Everybody makes mistakes.Our president made a big one on this.I hope things work out for the best.

timerick — September 10, 2013 at 10:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You're very welcome Tim. We all need humor.

I second your view with the Catholic Church. Religion seems to have done much more damage over the years than it has good, the Catholic Church in particular.

nailingit — September 10, 2013 at 10:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Timerick and Nails. As always, I am also here to second the opinion. The church has ensured women are second class citizens, by ensuring lotsa pregnancies among many other things to keep them busy and make more little Catholics.
I better not say much more, got in trouble here before when I stated my opinion.

Still vacationing. Weather turned cool here but I see it's quite hot in the neighborhood.

luvithere — September 11, 2013 at 12:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Why did the Oregonian scoop the C on these Battle Ground school closures today?

Credible threat?

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manthou — September 11, 2013 at 6:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The most troubling thing to me about last night's C-Tran meeting?

Bill Ganley's outburst about being sick of the CRC and that he wants to work on other things. The list of other things included most things C-Tran should not be worried about.

Maybe it is time for him to resign, if he is so sick of C-Tran's mandated work, or at least hand over his gavel to someone who has the energy to see this through.

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I can see Ganley's point. From a perspective of their facing another hard fight with the 4th Plain BRT project, this continued focus on the CRC drains way too much time. I'm also a bit curious about the insinuations that Hamm failed by having his people stop their analysis of the project once the WA side of the CRC was closed. Another problem I'm having is the funding - I believe the Board was already told alternate sources available don't add up to the amount needed without a sales tax in the picture. And there is a thorough analysis that's only a year old - from the 12 Jun 2012 RPC meeting. (Posted to C-Tran website.)

Who was the lady sitting in Connie Jo Freeman's place? Is she a new Board member? It seemed to me that she voted the opposite of how Freeman normally votes.

roger — September 11, 2013 at 6:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 6:24 a.m.

Pretty big story. It seems as though everyone scooped the C. This article is a little more informative.

nailingit — September 11, 2013 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — September 11, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.

We're all going to Hell in a hand basket luv.

Enjoy your Schnitzel & Hefeweizen while you can!

nailingit — September 11, 2013 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

MSNBC currently playing original footage of 9/11. I started my own taping at the time, about an hour into the attack on VHS. A bit chilling, and a reminder there's some real bad guys out there who want us dead.

nailingit — September 11, 2013 at 7:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Concerning the guy that gassed the moles. He did it wrong. You go around and plug most of the holes and then you put the hose down one and wait at the other. When they show their cute little faces ya blast em. My old boss did this on a three acre plot that was like a golf course till them critters showed up. Now he tried to be humane and do the right thing but that wasn't working. He resorted to war.

The next day he went through and groomed it again and it lasted until he moved. Five years later. The moles moved back in after he moved and the new owners borrowed his diesel tractor and did it again. Now this might not work for all but it did work in this instance.

JohnCasey — September 11, 2013 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: That was Linda Dietzman, Camas City Council member. I first thought that Connie Jo had bleached her hair.........Since Camas and Washougal share a seat, Linda was obviously the alternate last night for some reason. She does not share many of Connie Jo's positions on the subject, for sure. She made it clear that the vote "against" light rail and BRT we had was a vote against a tax to fund the projects, not the projects themselves.

We're all sick of the subject, but Ganley signed on for the job, so he has to buck up like a little soldier and carry on. I suspect his votes with Madore and Mielke last night were votes of convenience: he wants to rid C-Tran of the topics as efficiently and quickly as he can and this was the best way to do it. I still think he should resign or turn over the gavel to someone else. Maybe a CC Commissioner, who does not have to juggle an outside job.

Me? I'd already be back on the south bank of The Columbia by now (I am that sick of the CRC fighting), were it not for the resistance of my husband. I still like living with the guy after all these years and would have to leave him to fend for himself in WA for the convenience of light rail and MAX. :) I keep trying to wear his resolve down, however......

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

In my new book there's a story about attempting to vacate a mole. At the risk of spoiling it I'll tell you I still have the (cooking) pot lid; with my hand print imbedded in it.

And the mole didn't leave.

Drift — September 11, 2013 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I read that article yesterday John Casey. Interesting you mentioned using a diesel tractor. The use of catalytic converters on autos, has all but eliminated carbon monoxide emissions. So for the past forty years or something, suicide by auto exhaust has largely not been an option. Which would mean it also doesn’t work on moles. Can’t figure out how the guy could do this 41 times last year, and still thinks it works:) He’d be better off placing little mole sized hand guns around the yard and blasting the critters with the sounds of Eminem. They’d do anything to get away from that kind of torture. But then the guy’d probably arrested for animal cruelty.

kn_dalai — September 11, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ever wondered WHY?

Why do people order double cheeseburgers, large fries, and a diet coke?

Why do banks leave vault doors open and then chain the pens to the counters?

Why do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in our driveways and put our useless junk in the garage?

Why don't you ever see the headline 'Psychic Wins Lottery'?

Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour?

Ever wondered why God told men that good and obedient wives could be found in all corners of the earth.. then he made the earth round and laughed and laughed..

ELISI — September 11, 2013 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi: Thanks for the laugh. :)

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh I could tell the one why men snore more than women, but there is no delicate way of saying it.

Just know that if they didn't snore, the pressure would build up so much they'd explode. ;)

ELISI — September 11, 2013 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It's because of the different types of gonads.

kn_dalai — September 11, 2013 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My mole problems rarely last more than a week. I'll give it a few days, and if I don't find the corpse on the front porch or back patio, then I forget to put the dinnertime food dish out. That tends to motivate the four legged crowd.

roger — September 11, 2013 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal
Maybe this will work better.

soapbox4u — September 11, 2013 at 1:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey soap, where've you been?

roger: I ran into Jeanne Stewart this morning at our local grocery store. Can you believe that? We had a great chat, nearly a half hour.

She told me that Oregon received light rail funds at the head of the line because they applied for the funds as an INTERSTATE project. I had never heard that. So that is why Oregon has been so insistent on LR: they promised that it would go to WA to get funds.

I am sure you knew that, but I didn't. I am always eager to learn something new. Now I have to process it.....

I keep running into elected officials on my errands! The universe is trying to give me some information I might otherwise not receive.

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 11, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.

I got the present of a headless one just yesterday on the back mat. He was very proud.

hawkeye — September 11, 2013 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hey manthou, here, there, everywhere. Business is good. How goes it?

soapbox4u — September 11, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Vanwa, you were saying something earlier......

"Five Southeastern Conference football stars violated NCAA rules by receiving extra benefits prior to completing their collegiate careers, a Yahoo Sports investigation has found. The benefits – which in some cases came from multiple individuals – were conveyed to University of Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker, University of Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray, Tennessee defensive end Maurice Couch, Mississippi State University defensive tackle Fletcher Cox and Mississippi State wideout Chad Bumphis."

hawkeye — September 11, 2013 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yeah I forgot about him cancelling those gigs up here in Portland..He's got some east coast cajonines for sure... He’s an all business type of guy… The NFL will certainly be a challenge….
I heard that as well. I'm not saying Chip was perfect, did he bend some loop holes? Probably but this whole NCAA thing about being amateurs..If you’re on a Schooly you can only earn 2500 above your scholarship in California, anyway so That means the summer work for extra cash is somewhat limited for athletes not on a football team like my daughter…Anyway it should be an interesting year for both college and pro football. I am a huge Oregon Duck fan and Oregon State fan when there not playing the Duckies.

vanwadreamer — September 11, 2013 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal and pfaffmachine:

I finally received a response to my emails to Francine Reis, HR Director for Clark County. I sent her one in May, with no reply. Totally ignored. I was respectful.

Basically, I expressed my concerns that the Clark County hiring process was not observed in the hiring of Don Benton (yeah, so what else is new?) When I resent it, I added the new Program Coordinator for Clean Water, a former high school teacher who has political ties to Don Benton and Pam Roach.

Ms. Reis' reply:

"I am in receipt of your email to me dated September 2, 2013.

Please be advised that your previous email regarding the hiring of Don Benton was received and considered by the Board of County Commissioners.

Regarding the more recent hiring of Christopher Clifford, a formal, competitive process was conducted prior to him being hired.

Francine Reis"

She must have one of the most unenviable jobs in the state right now. Hands down.

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I've never heard any of that. I have seen a funding request from FTA recommending the project be approved with Washington as the lead state - this is from April. They appear to have changed some of the process, and I've no idea whether the LRT O&M; funding source still has to be identified. What looks extremely odd is that the project cost is listed as slightly under $2.8 billion; this was before we dropped out, and Oregon identified their similar cost to go it alone.

But what you're saying is pretty much a bombshell - something I haven't heard anywhere. What exactly was being discussed? It sounds like what she said is that FTA has already promised New Starts funds, based on a promise from Oregon that Washington will provide funding? For what - The LRT O&M;, or the $450 mil we're supposed to contribute to the overall project?

And all of this is presented the same day Jaime weighs in and says the Oregon plan doesn't qualify without Washington's participation and cost share.

roger — September 11, 2013 at 4:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So they arrested a 13 year old kid for making the threats at Battle Ground. Seized his computer and hauled him in, then released him to his parents. What do you want to bet they make "an example" of him. I wonder if we will get the whole story.

hawkeye — September 11, 2013 at 4:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I kind of doubt it Hawkeye.It will probably depend on what and how they charge him.If he stays in the juvenile system we most likely won't hear much about it.I have a grandson that is 13 and I know they don't think much about what they do sometimes.Sometimes they spend to much time on all their devices.And not enough time being kids.

timerick — September 11, 2013 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holyc: I hope The Columbian reporters do an investigation or write a story. I think personnel files are protected, as are applications. No transparency there.

I am not shy about FOIA requests. And I know Francine Reis ran her response by the attorney.
How these guys live with themselves is beyond me. Most likely it is because they cannot find work elsewhere or they, like most, need the money. How far you are willing to trade your integrity for a paycheck, well.......that line is personal.

What will really get some attention? If a person passed up for the job of Project Coordinator, Clean Water files a complaint. If that person is a member of a protected class, watch out. That is what it is going to take. Chris Clifford has been very quiet on the C FB comments since his first one in early July. Someone told him: keep your head low. For now.

Bronson Potter left for a good reason, since he took about a $20,000 a year pay cut to separate from Clark County.

manthou — September 11, 2013 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou --- Thank you so much for keeping us tuned in to the hiring shenanigans.

Mark the calendar. Holycrapola had a lucid moment and I agree with him. I want to see the announcement and the info on the other top candidates. Names can be redacted. We can't know if he meets the minimum qualifications or has any of the skills, knowledges, and abilities if we haven't seen the job description and his resume. There's always the catch-all of "relevant experience" so if Benton wanted him, it was a done deal. I wonder how many were actually interviewed.

I hope this doesn't come back to bite her: "... a formal, competitive process was conducted prior to him being hired."
Was that the SAME process for everyone else applying for a county job?

langenthal — September 11, 2013 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting news;

Umpqua Bank just bought Sterling Bank for 1.8B.

hawkeye — September 11, 2013 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Didn't Sterling just buy a different one a year or so back?

roger — September 11, 2013 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yea, they bought First Independent. Firstenburg's bank.

hawkeye — September 11, 2013 at 7:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Elizabeth O'Bagy, Syria Researcher Cited By Kerry And McCain In Hearings, Fired For Ph.D Claim///

NEW YORK –- During last week’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on possible military strikes against Syria, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) read from an “important op-ed by Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy,” whom he described as a “Syria analyst at the Institute for the Study of War.” That group fired O'Bagy Wednesday after learning she had falsely claimed she holds a Ph.D.

O'Bagy, 26, has recently appeared on CNN and Fox News as a Syria expert, but had her public profile raised last week when McCain and Secretary of State John Kerry cited her work in front of members of Congress discussing the possibility of military intervention in Syria.


And while Kerry spoke before Congress about O'Bagy's "enormous" experience covering Syria, Janine Di Giovanni, a veteran foreign correspondent who has reported on the ground there, suggested that the young researcher had “exaggerated wildly her experience inside Syria.”

Di Giovanni told HuffPost that she's sure O'Bagy has read on Syrian history and the Assad family and that she's had some on-the-ground experience, "but not what she led Kerry and others to believe."

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 8:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thought provoking and worth a look.

///11 questions to see if libertarians are hypocrites///

Eleven questions that expose their contradictions and faulty logic

[But the libertarian movement has seen a strong resurgence in recent years, and there’s a simple reason for that: money, and the personal interests of some people who have a lot of it. Once relegated to drug-fueled college-dorm bull sessions, political libertarianism suddenly had pretensions of legitimacy. This revival is Koch-fueled, not coke-fueled, and exists only because in political debate, as in so many other walks of life, cash is king.]


[We’re told that “big government” is bad for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is too large to be responsive. But if big governments are bad, why are big corporations so acceptable? What’s more, these massive institutions have been conducting an assault on the individual and collective freedoms of the American people for decades. Why isn’t it important to avoid the creation of monopolies, duopolies and syndicates that interfere with the free market’s ability to function?

Libertarians are right about one thing: Unchecked and undemocratic force is totalitarian. A totalitarian corporation, or a totalitarian government acting in concert with corporations, is at least as effective at suppressing the “spontaneous order” as a non-corporate totalitarian government. Does our libertarian recognize that large corporations are a threat to our freedoms?]

Read more @

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

///Obama Assures Americans This Will Not Be Another 1456 Ottoman Siege Of Belgrade///

“I can promise you this: My administration and I will not repeat the mistakes of Sultan Mehmed II,” Obama continued. “Believe me, we have all learned the lessons from the campaign to subjugate the Kingdom of Hungary following the fall of Constantinople.”

Obama was reportedly adamant that the United States is not acting on poor or shortsighted intelligence, unlike the 15th-century Turks who underestimated the difficulty in quelling Belgrade’s peasant army. The president also claimed that the current situation in Syria, when closely examined, “barely resembles the fight against St. John of Capistrano and his crusaders when they breached the Ottoman camp.”

Despite the White House’s claims that an American intervention in Syria would, if anything, most likely resemble the Ottoman Empire’s successful 1521 Siege of Belgrade under Sultan Suleiman I, many remained skeptical this week that a U.S. military effort in Syria would not ultimately result in a military disaster on the scale of the 1456 campaign, which left extensive casualties of over 10,000 Hungarians and 50,000 Ottoman soldiers.

Read more @,33719/

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: About O'Bagy: a good lesson learned, but at the expense of conning the gullible: lie on a resume and you will get caught. Eventually.

Right, Don Benton?

manthou — September 12, 2013 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- What really bothers me about this case, (and others like it) is that the damage is done. The message is stronger than the messenger, no matter how flawed. Her words are now part of the Congressional record.

This is like an early outing of "curveball" after the run-up to the Iraq war. Propaganda taking centre stage.

Kerry needs to make an apology regarding this, no matter how poor the optics.

In my opinion, John Kerry has not represented his coveted-long sought after position of Sec. of State very well. In some instances, downright embarrassing.

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Last night, while I was on the crapper, Jaime Herrera Beutler called and left a message that she was sorry I missed participating in a phone town hall thing. There's a joke in there somewhere.

(why not some prior notification on these things)

I did participate in one of these a year or so ago, and my question did make it on air.

Although not the format for representation I prefer, I suppose it's better than nothing.


nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It's called Democracy. Many times ugly, but Democracy nonetheless.

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 10:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Basement congratulations are in order for roger! I checked out the letter section and discovered roger was given, (at the time of this write) 19 Likes for his letter response! And using only one sentence! I believe this is huge in the Face Book world, and roger could fundraise off of it.

Personally, my thumb-like would have been up one of Deb's peter-wild-eyed rants. But that's me.

Congratulations roger!

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"How could you agree that a new bridge and light rail would not have benefited Vancouver from here on?"

Well. I don't. Agree that is. Unless you're talking about an agreement that arguably precludes agreeing on substantive agreements.

I would still like to see this area move forward with LR.

My congrats to roger was for garnering 19 likes. A shining achievement within the confines of the noticeably cruel, heartless, and sometimes unforgiving world of Face Book.

Deb's peter could also fund raise off her responses for her next run.

A slogan for her next bid?

"A one-eyed monster who refuses to pay for a train"

(I've started my own political consulting firm by the way, in part, inspired by the one-eyed Bentster.)

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Deb kinda reminds me of Michele Bachman, but more well rounded.

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycat @ 12:21- "Roger is not asset with a mind in what Vancouver used to be, not what it could be..."

Are you saying you wouldn't vote for roger if given the chance?

I myself am torn. Part of me says my vote should belong to a basement brother. A stalwart forumer whose reasoned opinions contribute much. (when I agree with him)

Another says to vote for someone whose future crafting of County language will be more aligned with my thinking.

Then a third voice says, "what the hell does it matter, I'm not in his district anyway."

[[[Beware the fourth voice]]]

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails - A humble Thank You.

Agreement isn't necessary. We'd be quite boring if we all thought alike.

roger — September 12, 2013 at 6:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 12, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.

I know. My tongue was stuck in my cheek.

nailingit — September 12, 2013 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Excellant show on Discovery channel..."Presidents' GateKeepers"

ELISI — September 12, 2013 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger & Nail you two are so cute.Even brought a smile to me.

timerick — September 12, 2013 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So Oregon has developed its set of answers to Ted Wheeler's concerns. I have not had time to read the whole dang thing, but I am getting a kick out of the FB complaints about WA not having a say in the tolling.

Well, duh.

I also enjoyed the part that gave light rail planning over to Tri Met exclusively, instead of the co-planning that was to take place between the two states. It elaborated that this would eliminate "indecision." Yep. Washington is the "indecider."

Well, Washington handed over their voice in any of this when they walked away from the table. Did everyone think it would really die? We'll see, I guess.

I would not be surprised if Vancouver tries to create its own transportation taxing district. My husband and I still pay for those pesky Tri Met taxes, even though the physical business is no longer in Portland and hasn't been for 10 years (he still gets Oregon income, so they consider him to have a nexus there). Might as well tack on a few dollars more to enjoy the ride on this side.

manthou — September 12, 2013 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I still say we need to build the bridge just like the Woodrow Wilson bridge over the Potomac. They need to do a study on the height of the traffic under the bridge, build it so that 90% can travel under without raising it and require the other 10% to travel at night.

hawkeye — September 12, 2013 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I just read the document.

They're leaving the tolls the same as recommended by the CRC. They figure estimated diversion and return figures will stay the same as projected by CRC back in 2006. That could be a bad call. There are plenty of people (like me) who will refuse to use the I5 bridge as a matter of principle. (But then I rarely use it anymore anyhow; I've found a few surface street in north Portland that move along quite well.)

Even more dangerous is the assumption that FTA will provide the full $850 mil for LRT and a $900 mil TIFIA loan. That's a Republican controlled House, and that majority isn't going away any time soon. Murray and DeFazio can say this will be funded, but they don't control the purse strings. Right now, Jaime has more say than they do. And those Repubs are feeling ugly - This is the year the ACA kicks in. I'm reading that even Boehner has lost control - The crowd there is aching to close the government down unless the ACA is defunded and (surprisingly) the military is fully funded.

The dollar is in worse shape than we're being told. Interest rate fluctuations and a few other things could easily cause their payments to be more than estimated.

But there is some truth in their report. ODOT has a much better track record than WSDOT when it comes to large projects.

I couldn't find this mentioned in The Oregonian. That crowd will explode when this hits - They're much more anti-CRC than The Columbian's readers. A whole lot of them can't begin to accept that they should carry the risk so Washingtonians can get to work.

roger — September 12, 2013 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That could be done here with the bridge we have now. Commercial river traffic moves between 9 p.m. and 5 a.m. (I think those are the correct times) per a gentlemens' agreement with the USCG. Occasionally one is running behind schedule and delays the morning commute, but the great majority of those daytime bridge lifts are for sailboats.

roger — September 12, 2013 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I guess this is what Nails' latest pic is about.

roger — September 12, 2013 at 10:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So just what’s the difference between the Woodrow Wilson Bridge and the current I-5 bridge? The Woodrow Wilson Bridge has nothing to do with the CRC. There’s no Lite rail component on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. You’ve made this observation before. I fail to see to what end. Lite rail is what has driven the CRC. No Lite rail: no new bridge. It’s this nonsense generic “moving forward” crap by logically challenged pom pommer’s, which is at the heart of the matter. The Lite railers are the Pitbulls who won’t let go of any effort to improve interstate travel if it doesn’t include their big image ideas of the collective. Even if it kills everyone.

kn_dalai — September 12, 2013 at 10:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No Lite rail. Period. IMHO.

In the interest of compromise; how about this big thinking Idea.

The problem with a bridge too low is that lite rail can’t handle a grade of more than 6% percent or so.

First, build a park and ride at Jansen Beach/Hayden Island and bring Oregon’s precious lite rail up there. See? Vancouver commuters can drive across the bridge, or take C-Tran to connect with the new Max line. Since the congestion starts south of the bridge: so far so good.

The existing bridge can be retrofiited to allay concerns over earthquakes for a couple hundred million or so. (Big deal. What's already happened is disgusting.)

But here’s the beauty of my idea. Roller coasters. Forget about the steepness of the bridge. If the grade is too much, then let the engineers, engineer a thingy where the Lite rail is hooked up to a chain or rubber band deal. Then the chain or rubber band pulls the lite rail up over the hump, and then: Lets GO! This is undoubtedly a new solution. Remember where you heard this.

(This may be such a great idea that Tri-met/C-Tran will make tons of money by getting in the amusement park rides business. )

Yes. I'm serious.

kn_dalai — September 12, 2013 at 11:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 12, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.

Finally! Finally you have an idea I can get behind.

Not so sure about it being a new solution. I think Milton-Bradley holds the patent.

nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Actually, the chain assisted climb for rail does exist, and was mentioned in an old document I ran across. It was ruled out because of the descent being too hard to control - Seemed they didn't share your idea of fun. (It's been a while, but I think that document was addressing the bridge height in general, and slope in particular. The writer also noted the people who interpret the ADA have slope over distance standards for wheelchairs. So, though the same thought process could lead to additional entertainment possibilities on the pedestrian walkway, I'm afraid government regs will remove everything fun. Too bad. I was thinking of a modified ski lift for skateboarders.)

roger — September 13, 2013 at 5:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — September 12, 2013 at 10:44 p.m.

The reason I picked the Wilson bridge is because of the lift span. The proposed CRC bridge would be higher and without a lift and that's what makes it too much grade for LR. I'm sure that with a little engineering, LR could be added to the Wilson bridge without too much trouble. Also, the proposal for LR to go to Clark College is a joke and will just create gridlock at Fourth Plain. It needs to go up I-5 to at least Salmon Creek.

hawkeye — September 13, 2013 at 6:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well kids, have a great week. I'll be AFT until next Saturday.

hawkeye — September 13, 2013 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry, "AFK"

hawkeye — September 13, 2013 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The priest says 50 years is too much?? He wanted 15. It will be hell if has to go to prison for 50 years?? So what? The hell he put those girls through may last a lot longer than 50 years. But he's so full of himself that he doesn't care. I hope he finds a good bunk-mate!

He lied to his bosses, police and everybody else that would listen. He should have gotten a lot more. JMO I still think that full frontal lobotomy and castration is too good for these lowlifes. But it's a start. I'm sure most of you can think of better punishments but if I say what I really think I will get censored again. You know, bullets and volunteering ...

JohnCasey — September 13, 2013 at 7:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai @11:18 PM: You are what we in education call a "divergent" thinker. It's a compliment, BTW.

Make traveling the new bridge a tourist attraction, like that crazy tram going up to OHSU. The world's first "roller-rail!" Buckle up! Aaaaaallll Aboard! Let the willing pay for it.

manthou — September 13, 2013 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"""It’s this nonsense generic “moving forward” crap by logically challenged pom pommer’s, which is at the heart of the matter. The Lite railers are the Pitbulls who won’t let go of any effort to improve interstate travel if it doesn’t include their big image ideas of the collective. Even if it kills everyone."""

Best quote of the month!!!! Sounds quite similar to the "Collective" Borg in Star Trek Voyager! (Once a Trekkie, always a Trekkie. I just don't go as far as dressing the part, lol.)

Regarding the "Roller Coaster" idea...maybe they could retrofit the incline/decline to conform to high-speed rail standards. Next in line would be bungee jumping from the top deck of the bridge down to Target (aptly named of course). After all, Jantzen Beach USED to be a perpetual carnival event. Better the location than the politicians...8))

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

On a side note totally away from the news, politics, religion and whatever else we talk about on here...

While browsing in the local book store this week, I walked through the inspirational book section and caught a glance of an author's name which sounded very familiar to me and my family from way back when. His name is Randy Alcorn. When I was very young, the Alcorn family lived across the street from our family. Randy and his brother were friends with my elder siblings. I thought...could it really be him(???) so I went back and checked the bio in the book. Sure 'nuf!!! The bio mentioned he was on the bestseller's list...and that he grew up and resides in Gresham, Oregon.

More inspiration for this aspiring writer, knowing a family friend from many years ago is a successful writer.

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: I like it! Resurrect and expand the Jantzen Beach carnival atmosphere. Add a zipline, to boot! Make the CRC fun!

I was perusing Vancouver attorney Greg Ferguson's website last night. I could not believe the number of successful lawsuits he has litigated against local government. I assume he is not done. If Clark County and the City of Vancouver were playing fair and square, open and honest, Mr. Ferguson might be out of business. I hope his name starts to strike fear in their weaselly dark hearts. I suspect it already does.

manthou — September 13, 2013 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Is David Madore OUR Kemper Freeman?

The Seattle NO Light Rail King is losing his battles:

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manthou — September 13, 2013 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another Clark County administrator exit?

Board Time for Clark County Commissioners: someone mentions that Marni Storey, Acting Public Health Director, is leaving Clark County for Washington County.

Upheaval in that Department, as she was an important anchor.

Place your bets on who is next. Other counties are benefitting from our brain drain.

manthou — September 13, 2013 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 13, 2013 at 5:51 a.m.

Here’s what you do. You put hydraulics under each of those little lite rail cars. Then when that rail car is going up the hill, the hydraulics lift the rear end so the car stays level. Then raise the front end when the car is going down hill. I’m also liking the ideas about a ski lift, bungee jumping and a zip line. The CRC as a tourist destination point is starting to sound pretty good.

kn_dalai — September 13, 2013 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou -- thanks for the FOIA info and tales last week. Wowsers, glad you succeeded. I have no interest in adding to the undoubtedly already overworked Clark County staff, but think and hope a judicious request would be helpful.

In re: Madore and being somewhere on the spectrum, missing social cues, et cetera: Hmm. I hadn't thought about that, but could see a possibility. He certainly isn't comfortable with negative feedback. I do think the radius of his egocentricity is not insignificant. He's grand fun to armchair analyze, IMO, although I can't stand most of what he's done as a CC.

Listening to board time now. Haven't hit the Storey news yet. Sigh. Madore's probably lined up his daughter who has the food blog on couv dot com to fill the position...

pfaffmachine — September 13, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I like the idea of hydraulics on the light rail cars. Back in my younger days in Phoenix I'd join a few of my Mexican friends in the local Circle K parking lot - sucked down a whole bunch of brews, and then stacked the empty sixes while they had competitions to see which of the low riders could jump and crush the highest stack. I can see something similar here to help attract the tourism crowd.

roger — September 13, 2013 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Could someone please try to convince me again just how safe it is to travel on MAX???

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 1:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

pfaffmachine: I loved the way Don Benton, during Board Time, kept saying, clearly and emphatically into the recording mic: we want to be sure to PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT.

Silently he was saying, "Did you get that Columbian and naysayers? Make a note of it. I will protect the environment (even though I don't believe in global warming, environmental science, or the laws). Nothing in my voting history shows a concern for the environment, but, hey, I can turn it on for $100,000 plus a year guaranteed."

I wish he would clear his throat when he talks. It sounds like the back of it is thick with Don Bentony phlegm.

manthou — September 13, 2013 at 1:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.

Well, there goes knd's much anticipated roller rail. Not safe.

Somebody got 'held up' walking to her car at the Mall last week. I suggest mobile iron enclosures be installed at every parking space. It just ain't safe to walk anymore.

nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.

Actually, that was at Orchard's Park and the woman changed her story with the cops which leads me to believe there's more to the story than we're being told.

What happened to the hearing impaired man was clear cut. Regarding the other article, all news reports on TV showed the location as the 187th and Burnside MAX platform under that Gawd-awful structure they claim is a sunrise sculpture.

In regards to Kn's roller rail idea... how would one incident be considered not safe but multiple incidents on the MAX line are???

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, some people do I guess.

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And Nails...I'm still not convinced. TriMet claims to have increased security.

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just wondering..has anyone noticed the difference in John Kerry's face?

Look at a picture of his face from January to one of today..too much botox or a possible stroke?

ELISI — September 13, 2013 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

In regards to Kn's roller rail idea... how would one incident be considered not safe but multiple incidents on the MAX line are???

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, some people do I guess.

goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.


nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.

Hey!!! Almost as many crime incidents on or near MAX...



goldenoldie — September 13, 2013 at 2:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Golden I don't know if I would blame Max for breeding crime.Ever since they closed the transit center downtown on 7th st. we have seen a marked increase in crime all around our neighborhood.The Chevron station on C and Millplian has been robbed several times.Our store has had 4 windows kicked in and the office robbed twice.All this since Ctran put all the kiosks on every other block.We have shifted the bad guys to different areas.The old Glory store on main had to use plywood instead of glass on a couple of windows and we added bars and a interior security door to the inside of the store.Our transit system makes it easy and convenient for them to get around.At least before the transit center closed they were kept in one area.

timerick — September 13, 2013 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Elisi @ 2:08: My guess? Prednisone or facial fillers. His face looks puffy and filled out like a water balloon. Lost all the gaunt.

manthou — September 13, 2013 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou, also notice the very droopy right eye..

ELISI — September 13, 2013 at 5:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Most of the officers and deputies interviewed said not only have they seen a spike in gang-related crime during the past couple years, but they said it's no coincidence the spike in crime came about the same time the Green line came to town in September 2009."

roger — September 13, 2013 at 6:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

TriMet crime stats - Some areas down, but theft of property up. And seeing as how the theft of an iPad started this - There's been plenty of press every time someone snatches an iPhone or other electronic device on MAX - Sitting there with a several hundred dollar device out for the world to see is inviting someone to take it.

roger — September 13, 2013 at 6:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 13, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
"Well, there goes knd's much anticipated roller rail. Not safe."

Are you kidding??? We can stock the river with sharks and piranhas, and install an ejection seat that's controlled by a random activation program. I figure seats will go for at least $10, and the T-shirt concession at the end (I Survived The Killer Light Rail Train) will generate enough income to put us all on Easy Street. (Except for HC; wouldn't want to burden his conscience with pursuit of a capitalist venture that preys on the misfortunes of others.)

roger — September 13, 2013 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails and Goldie,

Actually, there was a theft at the Mall last week (the junkie lady who ended up running from the police and had SWAT called out once they tracked her to a home in Hazel Dell),


There was a reported theft at Orchards Park, the story which triggered suspicion on the part of the police.

A veritable crime spree, to coincide with the other news that unemployment dropped (which I presume was supposed to make us things are looking brighter).

But gas has stayed constant at $3.65 for a few weeks at my local Chevron. So one might claim the biggest thieves of all are taking a break.

roger — September 13, 2013 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Damn! Looks like there's a well paying career for the Liberal Arts degree holder after all!

"Being a nanny is a surprisingly lucrative endeavor in some cases, according to the International Nanny Association. The average salary is about $16 an hour, but highly qualified and educated nannies in certain locations can make $100,000 or more each year. It's not uncommon for nannies to start out with salaries comparable to entry-level finance careers.";=HLT&icid;=maing-grid7|main5|dl21|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D374993

roger — September 13, 2013 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

When In Doubt, Ask Vladimir Putin -- Our New "Yoda"

"Clearly, Vladimir Putin is attempting to come across not as a combination of Nikita Khrushchev and Leonid Brezhnev, but as a combination of Nelson Mandela, Pope John Paul II, and Mr. Rogers. So be it. To paraphrase Samuel Johnson's observation upon seeing a dog walking on its hind legs, "It's not that it's being done well that's impressive, but rather that it's being done at all."

"Good advice is good advice, period. It's just that, at first blush, Russian president Vladimir Putin being christened the bearer of "peace and restraint" seems odd, sort of like looking to Charles Manson for advice on "family values."

"But upon further consideration, maybe it isn't so odd. After all, when it comes to extent that international espionage, dirty tricks, black ops, and death squads negatively affect one's political career, let's not forget that President George H. W. Bush was the former Director of the CIA. And because that information will never, ever be declassified, we're never going to know what evil mischief Poppy authorized as Chief Spymaster."

roger — September 13, 2013 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And I'm finding it VERY odd that there's still no mention in The Oregonian or Willamette Week of yesterday's letter from ODOT to Ted Wheeler laying out what they believe needs to happen for Oregon's "Go It Alone" plan to work.

If it was just The Oregonian, I'd say Kitz got them to keep this on the down low - The plan gets clobbered in the comments section every time it gets mentioned. (I'd say 90% opposition is a safe guesstimate.)

But WW has played no favorites, and has often been the first to report on this topic.

So, I'm quite curious about where Eric got that letter (Jim??).

roger — September 13, 2013 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger --- Did you see this?

"complete hogwash" Don Benton

langenthal — September 13, 2013 at 10:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Has anyone seen or heard about bill AB 154 that the Gov of Ca is going to sign?
It has passed both houses of the state legislature with strong support from Planned Parenthood and pro-choice groups.

It allows non-physician staff to get abortion licenses. Talk about "war on women" This will set us back 100 yrs...if Gov Brown signs that bill, watch back street abortionist pop up all over..more women will die, looking for "the cheapest abortion"..

ELISI — September 13, 2013 at 11:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal: There's roger's Oregonian story.

This drama is worthy of a movie. I have visions of environmentalist Don Benton standing at the land border with an AK 15, snarling threats.

manthou — September 14, 2013 at 6:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Rose wrote an article in The Oregonian with a link to the ODOT website - It has all the documents various Oregon agencies have prepared in support of the Kitz Plan. Some quite interesting reading that will take hours to fully digest, and more than a few legal opinions from this side of the river.

There's an Oregon legal review, and a separate one concerning right of way acquisition for the project. My quick scan says WSDOT can enter into an agreement with ODOT for a long term lease allowing the I5 under the CRC out to SR500 to fall under the Oregon Highway system, with WSDOT to provide some support, such as exercise of eminent domain. A side note buried in one of them is that a requirement would have to be for WSDOT to not be allowed to exercise any tolling project of their own that might interfere with the expected flow of traffic to the bridge project area. This may get interesting - WSDOT and the House Legislative Transportation folks have been discussing tolling the highways as a solution to covering upkeep and improvements. This could interfere with that.

There is still no investment grade tolling analysis; this isn't expected to be ready until around December.

The financial estimates show that rising interest rates will push the project into the red. Something that would bother me is that they only carry this out to 150 bps (100 bps = 1%). There are plenty of economists who claim the rates will have to climb quite a bit higher than that in the coming years to offset inflation. While the explanations for all of this get quite deep, one justification for Bernanke's keeping the rate artificially low was to weaken the dollar, thereby making the cost of foreign goods higher and leading to more production in the USA - this just hasn't worked. And two of the three people currently ID'd as possible replacements for him at the Fed are in favor of raising the rates.

roger — September 14, 2013 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Langenthal - Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen it. Looks like Benton didn't read the legal opinion very closely - It clearly states that Washington (the WSDOT Director) would have to enter into an agreement authorizing ODOT to build the project, and that WSDOT would have to exercise the needed eminent domain acquisitions as Oregon can't do so outside their borders.

And seeing as how Lynn Peterson is a Metro disciple - She'll agree to any and all of whatever ODOT would need.

Still, it's good to see Benton make this statement. That tells me that the Senate isn't just rolling over - Gov Inslee has a few very tough decisions to make with this.

roger — September 14, 2013 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou - If Benton is standing at the border with an AK 15, I'm buying it from him. I know people back in VA who will pay good money for this clone.

(But if you really want a good weapon, I recommend the Finnish Valmet series. Much better than the AK 47 or the AR 15.)

roger — September 14, 2013 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm not voicing an opinion on abortion here, ELISI, but I questioned your statement, "It allows non-physician staff to get abortion licenses."

So I went and took a look. I'm now of the opinion your statement is a bit disengenuous if not verging on hysteria.

"Assembly Bill 154 will address the current shortage of health care professionals able to provide early abortion care in California. It will authorize trained Nurse Practitioners (NPs), Certified Nurse Midwives (CNMs) and Physician Assistants (PAs) to provide comprehensive first trimester abortion care, which is within the scope of their licenses."

And to think I had a vision of coat hangers and back alleys.

Drift — September 14, 2013 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Best commentary ever on Syria!

///Bill Maher On Syria: U.S. Looks 'Like George Zimmerman' (VIDEO)///

nailingit — September 14, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — September 14, 2013 at 10:46 a.m

My questioning the bill came after careful says "trained NP's, CNM's, and PA's".

I just hope they will be trained well. What could happen is one or more in that group to be trained could open clinic's (comes to mind like drive-thru's, load 'em up and push 'em thru), that is where the "backstreet" came from.

Now I have 100 ears of corn to blanch and freeze plus potato salad to make.
Have a great afternoon!

ELISI — September 14, 2013 at 12:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou: Good observations about Benton, his enviro comments, and throat-clearing. The recording device doesn't help, but his voice reminded me a bit of Roz from Monsters, Inc:

Anyone besides HC and me following the Tesoro terminal proposal? Open house sometime in the next month, rumor has it.

pfaffmachine — September 14, 2013 at 12:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

pfaffmachine: Our neighborhood is on the Tesoro terminal like a chicken on a junebug. All 5 downtown neighborhoods are, in fact.

Actually, reps from Tesoro are coming to our neighborhood association meeting in October. It will be a smaller crowd, I expect, with greater ability to ask questions.

manthou — September 14, 2013 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"What could happen is one or more in that group to be trained could open clinic's (comes to mind like drive-thru's, load 'em up and push 'em thru), that is where the "backstreet" came from."

ELISI — September 14, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.

That doesn't wash. Back room abortions were and are, due to draconian abortion laws limiting access to trained professionals. Something this bill addresses, as near half the counties in California lack proper facilities/care. (and it's a pro-choice state) Imagine what it must be like in Red states, where they have all but outlawed safe/preventative choice measures.

Check out this write and see if you think it's of value. The article also addresses allah-cat's rant (and others) denouncing Roe v Wade as the primary cause for 50 million abortions. (like they wouldn't happen anyway)

When will we learn, if ever, when we micromanage & legislate people's personal behavior, (regarding health, sex, drug use, color, family, eating, drinking, lifestyle, etc) that it's never a good thing.

Not to least at one time in our history, it was Un American.

nailingit — September 14, 2013 at 1:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A lot of us are attracted to a good lookin' ride, but a Land Rover?

(not to mention they're high maintenance:)

///Man Has Sex With Land Rover///

Cooper told the court he was so drunk at the time that he did not remember his auto-erotic encounter until he saw the video.

The Land Rover was not available for comment, but it wasn't the only inanimate object that caught Cooper's eye during that evening, according to the Mirror.;=Crime

nailingit — September 14, 2013 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"I wish he would clear his throat when he talks. It sounds like the back of it is thick with Don Bentony phlegm."

manthou — September 13, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.

No thanks for the visual! In light of my new name for the Bentster, I'd better not expound.

But I think we both agree 'One-Eyed-Don' could use a strong mouthwash.

nailingit — September 14, 2013 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — September 14, 2013 at 1:02 p.m

Taking break here....nail, I just hope that if that bill gets signed into law in Ca, that at least a MD is in house when/if things go wrong.

and..NO I do not want to go back to the "backstreet" abortions, too many women died, too many were left sterile.
As I said earlier this week, I, myself believe they are wrong, but I will not stand in the way of anyone seeking one.

PLUS, those that I saw this morning standing on the corner at 112th and Mill Plain holding large pictures that are against abortion...I find disgusting and offensive! Young children should never see such!!!

ELISI — September 14, 2013 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Clark County voter's pamphlet is online.

We have plenty of time to study it. It is a looooong one.

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manthou — September 14, 2013 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Carolyn Crain and Don Benton paired up to write the oh-so patriotic statement against tightening the fireworks law. It is by far the most entertainingly written one of the bunch. Take fire works away for a couple extra days and our little ones will never understand what it is like to be a true, red, white, and blue American, y'all. How do I know this? Carolyn and Don, Clark County's newest political team, done say so. Yup.

If anyone has any questions about how to unravel these crazy advisory measures, simply review the names under the For and Against statements. It is a veritable crib sheet. I realize that there are voters on both sides of the issues, but it might have been cleaner not to have such polarizing names attached to either side. Problem is, no one else volunteered. Thanks to all who did.

manthou — September 14, 2013 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

'I, myself believe they are wrong, but I will not stand in the way of anyone seeking one."

ELISI — September 14, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.

You know what? I think we agree on something!


nailingit — September 14, 2013 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger --- Have you been keeping up with East County Bridge and brought to you by D Madore?

langenthal — September 14, 2013 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Clark County Dems published endorsements for Board of Clark County Freeholders:

langenthal — September 14, 2013 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I haven't seen win3 before. But I read the pro and con statements after manthou let us know the pamphlet was posted.

I think the east bridge option would be the cheapest bridge, but there's a serious that would need to happen before this project is pursued.

At first, a bridge from 192nd Ave to hook up with the end of Airport Way and that I84 interchange at 181st Ave will not alleviate much in the way of traffic. It'll take some of the pressure off of the I205/SR14 interchange, but it will add to the problems at I205/I84. The end result will be like the CRC I5 plan - only a few thousand people will realize a better trip.

However, over time, this will lead to faster east side Vancouver growth. It'll also lead to more shopping back and forth between that side and Gresham. (I suspect neither Vancouver City Council nor Portland want this - it further diminishes their importance to east siders.)(For example, I'd take the Gresham Farmers market over the Esther Short Park one any day - much better produce.)

I've seen a long term growth planning map that shows an expressway along the lines of Padden Parkway running up through the Hockinson area (182nd Ave?) to Battleground. It would make sense to tie this to the 192nd Ave Bridge.

Briggs is quoting the Metro mantra - more highways and bridges mean continued outward growth and more cars. They're right.

And that pretty much sums up the argument. One side wants everyone to live in higher population density areas - meaning apartments, townhouses, highrises and lots of people. The other side wants to be able to stretch out, and have their own little space where they can ignore the rest of the world if they want.

roger — September 14, 2013 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK - Good for Blue Donkey. Paul Dennis is part of their crowd. And they state what their goal is - " maximize Democratic influence in this process...." (Note that capital 'D' - they mean the party and not a political ideology.)

I stick with Dimitri having the best shot of the three of us. He's an extremely likeable guy with a pretty wide support base. He's tied in with the religious community and the business community; I suspect that if the Repubs follow suit and put their list out, he'll get the nod from them. I'm not sure what his ethnicity is; I think he may be Rumanian (he's too outgoing to be a Russian, and there is a fairly large Rumanian population here, some of who are friends of mine) - anyhow, if he can get our Eastern European community out to vote for him, I think he wins fairly big. (I'm leaning toward voting for him myself, truth be told.)

But I will say that I'm one of the few who stated what they stand for. Most just spouted a lot of generic "Rah Rah, Truth Justice and The American Way, say nothing" crap - It sounds like they're running for office, instead of a working group. Mike Yancey, District 3 Position 5 candidate who's most known for "And do you ride the bus?", actually gives one of the better arguments - he points out he's retired and has plenty of spare time to work on the project.

roger — September 14, 2013 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 8:48 PM: I noticed that about your succinct statement in the Voter's Pamphlet. It was devoid of all those catch phrases that give voters no good information beyond political slant. What do these overused descriptors tell us about specific ideas on what the Freeholders are tasked to do?

I really, really hate it when I see nothing but a string of over-exposed and emotion-laden soundbites to lure the lazy, simple, or gullible (those who don't or can't dig any deeper than the surface when choosing their candidates).

Let's outlaw these phrases: boondoggle, tax-and-spend, trickle-down fill-in-the-blank, special interests, bridge-too-low, bridge-to-nowhere, loo-rail, crime train, teabagger, crony (yep, I overuse it, too).

The Freeholder list is worth each of us taking the time to do some time-intensive research.

When I heard the speeches at the August kick-off at Latte Da, I can honestly say there was only one (count 'em) ONE guy who I could eliminate immediately. All the others, regardless of their political affiliation, shared some very thoughtful reasons for county government change that most of us can agree with.

I think we have found an issue that can bring us all together for the good of all.

My biggest reframe: Thank you, David Madore and Don Benton, for inspiring Clark County to mobilize and unite around this big, critical issue: Clark County government needs a tune-up. Look who you inspired to come forward to help!

Good for all the Freeholder candidates. My yard looks like a color confetti sign convention!

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's an interesting opinion by Mr. McDonogh of the Vancouver Business Journal on the importance of choosing wisely in the Freeholder elections.

Moeller predicts that the turnout will be low. Incredibly, I cannot see how this can be. I hope he is wrong and is just using "reverse psychology" to motivate.

roger: This gentleman seems to agree with you about keeping the number of CC Commissioners at 3. I do know this: we need more checks and balances and an elected administrator would help.

[link text][1]


manthou — September 15, 2013 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

At least we can narrow the scope of idiocy. We should keep in mind there's a group of people who want to hasten America's demise. If not for any other reason, to bring back the Lord Jesus to destroy the infidels and allow Christians to live happily ever after. No doubt a Foreign Born Black Muslim Commie in the White House triggers the same reaction about end times. Is this what Madore and Meilke are praying for in Commissioner meetings? The return of Jesus? And to think, these people not only vote, but we the people vote them in office to make important decisions.

Whose the bigger idiot?

///Syria Conflict Indicates Armageddon, Say One Third Of Americans (SURVEY)///

Most things aren't really the end of the world, but one-third of Americans who were surveyed believe that the Syria conflict is an indication that our days are numbered. A biblical passage which prophesies the destruction of Damascus and links it to the coming of Armageddon is leading many people to think that the current violence is an apocalyptic omen.

A LifeWay Research poll asked 1,001 people if they agreed with the statement, "I believe the battles in Syria are all part of the prophecies of the Book of Revelation," and 32 percent of them said yes.

Twenty-six percent agreed with the assertion that "U.S. military intervention in Syria might lead to the Battle of Armageddon that’s spoken about in the Book of Revelation."

Gender played a role in responses, as women were more likely than men to draw a corollary between Biblical prophecy and the current situation in Syria.

Location and income also skewed the results, with Southerners and members of households making less than $25,000 per year being much more likely to connect Syria with the end of days.

In addition, one in five people polled agreed with the statement, "I believe the world will end in my lifetime."

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Spirituality certainly colors our world views.

I kind of like what Reform Judaism says about the second coming of the Messiah, or what others believe will trigger the end of days.

There is no literal return of a messiah, but an ushering in of a "messianic era" where people working together become the collective messiah.

Wikipedia: "the Messianic Era will be one of global peace and harmony, an era free of strife and hardship, and one conducive to the furtherment of the knowledge of the Creator."

When will we learn that we have more in common than differences? That we are all connected? When I hate "the other" I am hating myself?

A lesson I am still learning, too.

Sunday School is now adjourned.

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting article which helps confirm what I think. However, I understand him to take the opposite side. He wants to keep the 'everyone votes for everyone' election; he's got some idea that this will avoid a contentious 'we/they' between city and rural. Sorry, but it already exists. And I understand him to want more commissioners, so they can spend more time and effort on zoning matters, etc, that could encourage business growth. I'm thinking if we remove the administration of County from their plate, then they'd have that time and (hopefully) focus. (If they can ever get past issues like fireworks and funding the Humane Society.)

roger — September 15, 2013 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You've touched on what bothers me about most organized religions - the belief that their interpretation is the correct one. This has a history of leading to, or being the justification for, conflict and wars.

Having my own ideas on what/who the gods really were, I tend to ignore the religions. However, there are some that I think are better than others. One that I actually liked was the Universal Life Church. Abby Hoffman mentioned them in his book - anyone could declare themselves a minister in the church, and he saw this as a way to get a deferment from the draft. I read a little of their literature, and agreed with a tenet of theirs - that religion is different for each person, and all beliefs should be honored. (There are restrictions on that, I'm sure.)

roger — September 15, 2013 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"the Messianic Era will be one of global peace and harmony, an era free of strife and hardship, and one conducive to the furtherment of the knowledge of the Creator.

Sunday School is now adjourned."

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.

No, wait! There's a few of us who will stay after and clean blackboards. But before they're erased..

I believe the Messianic Era will usher in a re-birth of 60' & 70's music. Hendrix will physically rise from the dead and awaken our consciousness with a New World Anthem.

I think my vision has a better chance of happening.

"They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation will not lift sword against nation and they will no longer study warfare." (Isaiah 2:4)

Metaphors aside, this guy (Isaiah) seems to suggest we follow behind jackasses tilling the earth with modified swords as progress, (I'm lucky, I have a couple I brought back from overseas) and blacksmith our spears into gardening tools. (not so lucky here and I haven't seen any on sale, besides, this guy couldn't foretell Yard n' Garden?) Then he goes on to suggest the human race will have a DNA change. A tough pill to swallow.

There is a commonality amongst many religions (to include Islam) concerning a time of re-grouping. When things mellow out and peace is at the forefront. This alone gives me hope that something is in the cards. But by that time, all us forum folk will have moved on to a different plane of existence.

Without a doubt, a journey someday, we'll all take.

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"""Whose the bigger idiot?"""

Havin' a rough morning, nails???

goldenoldie — September 15, 2013 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"""I believe the Messianic Era will usher in a re-birth of 60' & 70's music."""

It never went away...8)

goldenoldie — September 15, 2013 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

After coming off a pathetic and embarrassing loss on MNF, my Chargers are playing in Philly.

These are indeed-the end of days...


nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: I agree. That music is the best! Still kicking around, too, the musicians who gifted it to us. Will we be singing Mylie Cyrus or Justin Bieber 40 years from now? Methinks not. All I know is, I was dancing and rocking to Mick Jagger when I was a mere high school girl.

nailingit: Even my atheist New Ager friends say that 12/21/2012 was the beginning of a coming together, melding of hearts and minds for the greater good. We shall see.

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

One more thought, nailingit: I suggest us Forum folk agree to meet in a specified area of the Afterlife. My good friends and I all say, "see you in the NW corner." We can marvel at how it meets/exceeds/falls short of our earthly expectations. :)

No matter what moves you spiritually on this plane, I think there is room for all on the other side. :)

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 10:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — September 13, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.

Tim, I believe you haven't understood my message from the beginning. It's not just MAX as an entity but a conglomeration of poor community planning from the ground up. I see the same issues forming here in Clark County...hence my extreme concern for the methods of planning and the reasoning behind my comments over the years regarding the disheveled mishmash of clusterf..k condos, McMansions and estate homes in postage stamp lots...all designed and constructed with half-occupied industrial complexes and mini malls with tenants such as tat parlors and nail salons embedded throughout the county before adequate transportation issues and basic needs of increased population are met.

The implementation of light rail only to Clark College is not a good example of infrastructure improvement, especially when there are no future plans of expansion, thanks to C-Tran's idea of BRT for which I support, although the current plan fails to address such an idea. Any improvement regarding mass transit should be designed or RE-designed to include future rights of way for light rail SHOULD the need arise or exceed today's standards.

Before any of this is addressed, there has to be jobs infrastructure which would support the local economic climate. This has not been met yet.

There's so many variables...not enough space, but hopefully I've enlightened you to my stance regarding MAX and why I currently oppose any and all TriMet ventures into our county.

goldenoldie — September 15, 2013 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie — September 15, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.

""""Whose the bigger idiot?""""

I'd say the voter. The ones who vote for Evangelicals, (understanding their time in Government will reflect their ideology) as well as the ones who vote uninformed. Maybe the ones who don't vote at all. It's a crapshoot.

"Havin' a rough morning, nails???"

Not bad. Had my coffee and feel medicinally sound. Chargers are showing some spunk. The Bushtits have taken leave and I can't hear the neighbors dog barking.

All in all..not bad.

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.

Oh HECK no...NO Bieber and Cyrus!!! (just kidding to those who like their music...or whatever it's called these days)


nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.

I was teasing you about your grammatical error...but enjoy the game anyways...8P

goldenoldie — September 15, 2013 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — September 15, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.

Great idea. I guess it's kinda hard to agree to a specific meeting place though, not knowing the terrain and all...

Musical tastes seems to be the one forum commonality.

We need a gathering point. Let's listen for the sweet sounds of a vintage Strat plugged into a Marshall Plexi, and form our collective there. Resistance is futile!

"I was teasing you about your grammatical error...but enjoy the game anyways...8P"

goldenoldie — September 15, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.

Say I wasn't channeling Tony Soprano, not so sure you are correct. The smartest person grammatically (forum wise) is without a doubt manthou. (based on her writes)

manthou-could you render an opinion with the much talked about "whose" usage. I can take my lumps if needed. :)

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 15, 2013 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Will, their u go......

You guys that are language nazi's got's your own trash ta take out. Kinda like alleycat telling someone to relax. :))

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If you have TCM, here's a suggestion for your afternoon unless you're watching the Chargers.

The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)12:30 pm
Vertigo 2:45 pm
Rear Window 5:00 pm
To Catch a Thief 7:00 pm
Farmer’s Wife (Silent) 9:00 pm

langenthal — September 15, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — September 9, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.

roger — September 10, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.

vanwadreamer — September 10, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.

Chip... who? :)

Somebody needs to school the Chipster about time out usage!

Great game.

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sooo, I am back in the old mismanaged county and the weather turns. Coincidence?

I think I will watch a couple of these good movies Langenthal pointed out. Should relax on such a grey Sunday. Plus, I had a bit of jet lag and got up around 3 am.

luvithere — September 15, 2013 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gotta admit - Calling those time outs made no sense - It got the kicker about 10 yards closer. A day of stupid rookie mistakes by the Eagles - they'll learn. But I'd like to know where the defense went. A great first half against the 'Skins, and nothing since.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 1:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And, in the spirit of presenting those different kinds of topics that will earn forum members that "special place" in the afterlife.

Seems WA State legislators cannot be served traffic tickets while the Legislature is in session, and during the 15 days prior to the start of a session.

Seems one of the Reps tried to get the law changed after he was stopped for speeding in Fife, and the state patrolman refused to ticket him after learning who he was. However, that bill to change the law couldn't even make it to committee for a hearing.

My favorite song for busting the speed limit on the interstates.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 2:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- With Vick at QB it was quite a dogfight.

Given the Chargers 2nd half debacle last Monday night, my Bolts showed some heart in punching out a win on the road against a tough Eagle team's home opener.

Go Bolts...

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 2:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — September 15, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.

Welcome back stateside luvit. Nothing like spending a half a day flying, then dealing (if I remember right) a 10 hour difference in time.

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

An article on Oregon's possible special legislative session. PERS reform is the big item, and some don't want to return to a special session unless a compromise bill is guaranteed in advance. Kitz wants to double the cuts that the House was able to push back during the session; some Dems are very leery of this. Some Repubs want to increase the cuts even more, and add in business tax cuts. He'll have to convince a couple of Repubs to change their regular session vote, and not lose anyone, to have a chance.

Meanwhile, the concern about how Oregon will handle the increased debt under the "go it alone" CRC plan is growing.

This is an all or nothing gamble by Gov Kitz. If he succeeds with both, he's golden. If not, he becomes very vulnerable.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — September 15, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.

The U.S. Constitution has similar protections for members of Congress as specified in the speech and debate clause. The purpose was to keep the Executive branch from delaying members who's vote they didn't want.

frobert — September 15, 2013 at 5:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This Oregonian story about Washington's structurally unsound bridges, our fav among them, on the eve of Kitzhaber's big push week for CRC. Scare tactic or relevant fact to give those Oregon legislators something to ponder?

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manthou — September 15, 2013 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What's up with a rain/storm delay in Seattle? This is football for Christ's sake!

Man I miss the good old days.

Must be the conservative in me coming out.

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 6:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My God Nail you are turning into a conservative.There is hope for all.

timerick — September 15, 2013 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I hope they do read the article. The I5 Columbia River bridges aren't mentioned. What the article mostly covers are the bridges on I5 up below Woodland. They made the list because they're the same design as the one over the Skagit River that was taken out by a truck.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The game was delayed due to lightning. Pretty picture og a strike from King 5 News.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What a strange town. One of the few decent and semi-affordable areas of downtown Portland to live is in the Pearl around Lovejoy leading to the Broadway Bridge. So, City Commissioner Amanda Fritz decides decides that under the bridge on ramp there is the perfect place to move the homeless camp they don't want on Burnside. The fact that the neighborhood is up in arms is of no concern to her - what she's worried about is that the neighborhood will be rude and uncaring for the homeless people.

A quick check shows she's a "retired registered psychiatric nurse." Maybe her retirement should have been taking her keys away.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, next time Goldie and whoever else wants to talk about good food vs. store bought, I'm all ready to jump in. Taught myself to can this weekend. I've put up (I think that's the term) some stewed peaches and applesauce, and am working on the apple butter. This stuff better turn out - I think it's more expensive than buying the stuff in a can.

roger — September 15, 2013 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"My God Nail you are turning into a conservative.There is hope for all."

timerick — September 15, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.

I was going to say shoot me. But on second thought, it might just be the old & crotchety coming out.

Is there a difference?


"The game was delayed due to lightning. Pretty picture og a strike from King 5 News."

roger — September 15, 2013 at 8:19 p.m.

That's what I mean. Regular folk take lightning hits all the time and are the better for it.

Pansies. It's damn corporate wanting to protect their investment at the ticket holders expense.

Back in the day, during summer storms, we used to strap lightning rods to our helmets. These guys make insane money, and for what??


Wussies...afraid of a little lightning. Gimme a break.

nailingit — September 15, 2013 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Remembering September 15, 1963

langenthal — September 15, 2013 at 11:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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