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OK - Guess maybe someone needed another cup of coffee?

Thanks - that was a quick turnaround.

roger — February 25, 2014 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman: Ron Goodman, as usual, posts his insights on the latest move by Madore to dismantle county government:

"Negotiating should be easy: "Madore said it was hard to lead “a meaningful life” on less than $50,000 a year" Erik Hidle wrote January 2nd, re-capping a July 18 blog post. Madore: “Kinda hard to live off that for Clark County and be in some kind of a meaningful position where you’re contributing to the people around you.” So, we lop off everybody making under $50,000, and ensure that everybody the county retains has enough to lead a meaningful life and contribute to the people around them. Easy. Only, I suspect Madore doesn't really see it that way. Squeeze every give-back possible out of every bargaining unit, and bring in someone from outside, because our insiders just aren't 'tough enough,' and when it comes to give-backs, we'll start with the HR department, the same folks who will now have the added responsibility of implementing that 'self-insurance' thingy, with the added onus of doing 'more with less.'

Madore crows that Clark County has the best workforce in the state - now that all those veterans at the top have left, leaving a more compliant group behind - but when it comes time to put money behind those claims, well, that outside contractor can be the one baring its talons."
For those who are sick of citizens like me and Ron and Hawk and others pointing out the flaws in Madore's leadership: just put us on ignore.

manthou — February 25, 2014 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Madore's"assistant" Anna Miller has been representing Clark County on certain citizen complaints. She comes back to the Board and advises the commissioners what to do.

I complained about this additional risk to the county. Who indemnifies her if what she advises gets Clark County into a whole lotta legal doo-doo? What is her expertise? Who is her "client?" It isn't Clark County, nor the citizens, it is the man who pays her salary: David Madore and David Madore only. She was not elected by the people. She was not hired by the County. She was appointed by the King. Amazingly, the other two commissioners went along with this scheme. I complained about the risks in doing so to them all at the time.

This week, I received a reply from Chris Horne, lead prosecuting attorney. It was civil and brief. Summary: Anna Miller enjoys a "unique" position at Clark County and the Commissioners are the ones who direct her. In other words, until the commissioners tell her to step aside and let a bonafide county employee do this citizen outreach and problem-solving job she has grabbed, she is a wild card. She is not bound by county employee policy or procedure.

She has limited authority, according to Hone, but if M and M determine she can represent the county in touchy land sale conflicts, well, she can. When Madore first asked to bring her on, the understanding was that her role would be clerical.

In Steve Stuart's absence last week, she was a loud vocal presence at the table, arguing her points to convince the commission to make a specific determination about a couple of land sales. Axel Swanson warned them: if we do this, we are setting a dangerous precedent. Chris Horne seemed agitated and argued a couple of good points against her suggestions, but he understands he acts at the direction of the commission. Neither Madore or Mielke told her to put a muzzle in her pie hole or offered any indication that she might be overstepping her authority.

I predicted Clark County would be bleeding money losses from the M and M majority coalition. It's happening with no end in sight. I wondered if any of her email correspondence is exempt from the FOIA act. Maybe I will request one and test the limits of the law. Is she conducting what she thinks is official county business on her home email? Does she have a county email?

Madore rant of the day over.

manthou — February 25, 2014 at 8:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou first let me be clear I do not like what Madore has done. But and there is always a but. Doesn't the President like all Presidents before him hire someone to advise and help him set policy. None of these advisors are elected either. They work at the whim of the President. Is it right. No I don't think it is. We elect these people to make the right decisions for the good of all of us. I do not like the hired hands making important decisions that they are not elected to do.

timerick — February 25, 2014 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: I just don't know anymore, really. I don't like crony appointments. Period. Look at what "Brownie" did during Katrina.

Just because it is common, does not mean any of us have to accept it and be silent. It can be changed.

"Everyone does it" is not an argument to continue. And the subject of my complaint is what Clark County is doing now and the risks it imposes on us, the tax payers in this county.

Just sayin.' :)

manthou — February 25, 2014 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 8:41 a.m.

The firewall between commissioners and executive can't happen fast enough. Please, please, freeholders....hurry!

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick and manthou

Presidents have always had advisors. He refers to them as such, and they are selected with that description in mind.
However, Madore is not the president, nor is Anna Miller an advisor. She's a assistant. If someone wants to add the word 'executive' in front of the word 'assistant' so that her title is not 'clerk', she should still be just assisting, not advising. At least, that's how I see it, and is what Madore implied during the fuss that transpired when he insisted in having someone not part of the staff that normally assists Clark Co. commissioners.

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The firewall between commissioners and executive can't happen fast enough. Please, please, freeholders....hurry!

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 10:55 a.m.

opps! meant administrative, not executive...

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm not saying just because someone else does it that it makes it ok. I don't like the situation any better than any of you. It is wrong. jacjac I agree. I just hope they come up with something that we can all vote on and get passed. It has not gone to far in the past.

timerick — February 25, 2014 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: The Freeholders are like our Obi Wan Kenobi: Help us, Freeholders! You're our only hope.

No pressure there. :) They need to come up with a charter that is palatable to the majority of the voters who bother to send in a ballot.

jacjak: A part of me is struggling hard to step back and ignore this shite show. However, because some of the feedback I have given has been acted upon, it is like the intermittent reinforcement given to compulsive gamblers. :0

"Maybe this time, they'll listen and act" is not so much different from "Maybe this time, I'll hit the jackpot" especially when that jackpot was awarded a couple of slot pulls earlier. Ya never know when it is gonna pay out again, so you keep pulling that lever, even though the odds are against you.

manthou — February 25, 2014 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

David has honed himself into a politician to be reckoned with. He's getting some smart political advice from someone.

His downturn in popularity with middle, middle right constituents, due to the Benton hire and other matters, muddied him to the point of being untrustworthy and unelectable. Almost.

In what smacks of political expediency, he champions gun laws and the right to conceal & carry. A subject that unites his base and brings the lost sheep back into his fold. The ones he lost due to his questionable ethics and poor governance, can now unite on this passionate 2nd Amendment issue, and David can once again be a hero and a champion to those future voters who were once lost, but now found. Amazing grace, how sweet the Boom!!

I would have advised him to do the same. My best guess is DM might be a nervous nelly to even hold a weapon, let alone carry one. If so, I'm sure he'll get plenty of help from his evangelical sycophants on proper usage and maintenance.

Don't hurt yourself Dave.

nailingit — February 25, 2014 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I predicted Clark County would be bleeding money losses from the M and M majority coalition. It's happening with no end in sight?
Can you quantify that statement with and where the losses are coming from.. What specific losses did our commissioners cause the Clark County Folks..
I don't get why you’re so worked up about Madore having an Assistant? This whole assistant thingy is a non issue to me. Heck I have an assistant and she does probably the same things Anna does. The word assistant = a person who assists or gives aid and support; helper. There ya go...
When our local Sheriff's department and Pros Atty office has cost our county what 20 million and counting so far. We have these Folks fabricating, Mishandling and destroying evidence which put men in jail for years and cost the county MILLIONS....

As far as outsourcing In theory, the idea of contracting public services to private companies to cut costs makes sense. If someone is willing to fix streets or put out fires for less money, that should be a plus for a government’s bottom line. Many state and local governments have identified hundreds of millions of dollars in savings by hiring outside contractors -- or a neighboring city’s services -- to handle tasks like trash collection, pothole repair, and water and wastewater treatment. Why not someone to do this process. But far be it for me to know these things, I would Ask Mr. Madore why he might want to outsource this job.. Get the answer right from the mans mouth...

vanwadreamer — February 25, 2014 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 12:14 p.m.

Like timerick said @ 11:50 a.m. "I just hope they come up with something that we can all vote on and get passed."

I agree with both of you, we are hoping for a lot, but mostly I'm hoping for a bit of saving grace for Clark County. The failed charter 10 years ago was so filled with all the wants and demands and whereas's and therefore's and if this, then that's and if so's, that it was probably not voted in because folks got disgusted just trying to figure out what it was talking about, no less than how it would impact Clark Co and their lives. I am hoping for better, whatever it is.

Clark County's charter was written by freeholders living in the 19th century. No cars, no cell phones, no interstate freeways, and on and on. I hope to see a passed charter that is sound enough, and fair enough, that it can serve Clark County for another 100 or so years. Which means coal and land use and whatever else that might right now be personally compelling, but is always in a state of discovery or invention or flux can not somehow be set in advance. A charter should be about the goverance and administration of Clark County, and how that's done for anyone who choses to live here.

Roger, where are you? You're the one with the courage to actually run for a freeholder position. You probably know so much about a freeholder's obligation, or how charters are structured, or have looked at other counties where population distributions of both urban and rural need to be considered, etc. It's a bit overwhelming to even try to be informed enought to vote on a charter if it's on the ballot in Nov., no less than do the huge job of writing one.

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As far as outsourcing In theory, the idea of contracting public services to private companies to cut costs makes sense.

vanwadreamer — February 25, 2014 at 12:53 p.m.

What a great idea!! Instead of having insurance salesmen, let's just buy straight from the company computers. No more middleman. Works for me.

Then the County can take all those firemen, cops and clerks and fire them. We won't need them anymore, we found someone to do it cheaper, of course, we have no oversight, no control on how things get done, but what the hell, it's cheaper! Then when they fail (and they will fail or want too much money) we can start up our own all over again. That won't cost too much, will it.

Hawkman — February 25, 2014 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OH, and by the way---

But far be it for me to know these things, I would Ask Mr. Madore why he might want to outsource this job.. Get the answer right from the mans mouth...

vanwadreamer — February 25, 2014 at 12:53 p.m.

Have you ever tried to get a straight answer from that guy?
Have you ever tried to get a straight answer from a used car salesman? "Isn't that tire flat? -Why would you think that? I remember when tires all looked like that, the rims were always close to the ground. Of course it all depends on how you look at it and your level compared to the level of the tire. It could also be your glasses, it could be right where the bi-focal line hits. Move your head around a little and see if it changes. No, it's just low profile".

Hawkman — February 25, 2014 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman @ 1:57

Maybe we can hire Kellogg, Brown & Root, aka Blackwater aka Halliburton, but who has now magically transformed into Academi. Not sure of the transmigration or reincarnation, or whatever it's called when the trail is hard to follow. Quite a smudgy bit of transparency there, so hard to know whose who in the whole 'outsource' handbook of who's available.

Yep, outsource is just another way of saying privitize. Tho technically it's never cheaper. Not for those receiving the goods or services, anyway.

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You are such a shrewd lemming you are. These were just examples. But as you point out the sky is falling attitude I'm sure you must have allot of friends whom you share your common sky is falling attributes. I don't hang with such downer folks.. I can't remember the last positive post you made here, probably the samo with your wife or sig other.
BTW 62% of personal Insurance is purchased over the phone or Internet….BTW if you counted Health Insurance That number goes up towards 80%.. Obama would have you believe 95% LMAO.. But that's another topic..
Between you and Manthou you two should be running the county, you both talk such a good game in the Basement… Maybe give these folks some of your lifes personal and professional experience, maybe they will listen to ya.. You two outa go complain to the so called source M&M; boys, instead of complaining down here. I still would like to see those examples where the 3 commissioners have cost or spent the county’s money like in the millions that Manthou would lead many here to believe. Don’t tailgate to close to Manthou you might get brown nosed.

vanwadreamer — February 25, 2014 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hm, there's a visual, VanWa.
After the freeholders are done, we can vote in five commish and fill them with hawk, Roger, manthou. I say we add Drift also for when we need a bit of tension relief at the meetings (ahem).

The fifth spot could be filled by Timerick aka Mr. reasonable. Or we could ask Nails to do it.

This would change Clark County as never seen before.

luvithere — February 25, 2014 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks for the afterthought luvit..........................

Was bin ich, gehackte Leber?

nailingit — February 25, 2014 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I guess deficit reduction no longer matters. (unless they're cutting social programs, education, etc.)

These guys.....

-House GOP tax plan would cut top rates but also hit high earners with a surtax-

Meanwhile, the White House continues to show little interest in a comprehensive tax overhaul. While cutting the corporate tax rate from its current 35 percent remains an Obama priority, administration officials have dismissed reform of the individual code, saying it would be mathematically impossible to lower the top rate paid by the wealthy, protect the middle class and achieve Democrats’ goal of raising fresh cash to shrink chronic budget deficits.

Camp’s proposal would raise nothing for deficit reduction.

nailingit — February 25, 2014 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I will take being reasonable any day. I have never seen much done by being unreasonable. As far as outsourcing goes the BPA here in town does it with all the parts and supplies that BPA uses. NAPA has the contract to do that and it works well and saves BPA money. I am not sure if the technicians are outsourced but Roger would probably know.

timerick — February 25, 2014 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No No, Nails, I was saving you. Not liver, du bist ein gutes Stueck Fleisch.

luvithere — February 25, 2014 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — February 25, 2014 at 12:53 p.m.

I too wondered about “I predicted Clark County would be bleeding money losses from the M and M majority coalition. It's happening with no end in sight”, but also “and does not have to live in the state or county Benton is ravaging.” from yesterday. I know of the $5,000 settlement over the Ruttledge case, but that doesn’t seem to me to be bleeding money with no end in sight, and I’m, not sure what the ravaging is that Benton is doing. Whatever it is, it must be pretty bad. Some further details would be nice. Manthou won’t respond to me. If she won’t respond to you, then maybe it’s because you too, are a troll. Or perhaps one’s emotions just get too far ahead of one’s self.


Hawkman — February 25, 2014 at 2:42 p.m. Hawkman says “Have you ever tried to get a straight answer from that guy? Have you ever tried to get a straight answer from a used car salesman?”

From DM’s February 14, 2014 entry on his Facebook page:

“Outsourcing union negotiations – funding 8 new deputies:”

“All but one. Human Resources. That department (in dark blue) actually added 4 new positions while our sheriff lost 21 deputies in recent years.”

“Instead of simply adding more staff, we asked our auditor to do a performance audit of that department to see if there are smarter ways to do HR. One of those ways we should consider is outsourcing union contract negotiations. WASAC (Washington Association of Counties) will let us know what other counties are doing that, how well it works, and what it cost.”

“Four year contracts were rushed through and signed for nearly all unions and guilds in the last commissioner meeting of the year before I took office. That means that until those deadlines approach again, the full time staff in HR that normally does that work will not be needed to do that work again for quite some time.”

Why not bring in the profession expertise that specializes in union negotiations when it is time, rather than carrying that full time staff year around? We should be getting the answers soon.”

Have you ever tried to get that foot out of your mouth?

kn_dalai — February 25, 2014 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"No No, Nails, I was saving you. Not liver, du bist ein gutes Stueck Fleisch."

luvithere — February 25, 2014 at 6:02 p.m.

That's what she said...

Thanks luv. Flattery will get you everywhere.

nailingit — February 25, 2014 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now that I think about it...
in German this is not meant the same way as it could be taken in English. Nothing negative/bad/obscene/sexual/whatever attached to it. Just clarifying. :)

luvithere — February 25, 2014 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No worries luvit. I've heard it countless times in my life. :)

nailingit — February 25, 2014 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 25, 2014 at 6:03 p.m

Well, isn't that special. You can cut and paste from a little speech he made. Not exactly what I was referring to but you go ahead and believe what you want.

Vanwa, I don't even know where to start with you so I won't. Don't push it.

Hawkman — February 25, 2014 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 3:07 p.m.

There is no tie between KBR/Halliburton and Blackwater/Xe Services/Academi. Erik Prince sold Xe Services to a group that includes our favorite ex-AG of the US, John Ashcroft. Supposedly they cleaned up the organization; I think I read somewhere that they were trying to land a security contract with the Chinese. Meanwhile, Erik Prince is off in Abu Dhabi with his new company, Reflex Responses, training a commando force for that government.

Got to keep the ex-Special Ops types employed - this peaceful life is way too boring for some of those guys, and there are only so many SWAT team openings.

roger — February 25, 2014 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — February 25, 2014 at 1:51 p.m.

You flatter me by saying I'm an expert on the home rule charter - I'm not. Your observation that keeping it simple is a good one. Personally, I think they're pushing for too much already.

I'm not sure, but I think this effort may be doomed. The process has been controlled by the Repubs/1st District (less Lucas) and Liz Pike from 2nd District. I'm thinking that there's possibly too much uncertainty with the 5 district breakout we saw recently for the "downtown cabal" to want to support it; being on the short end of a 4-1 split isn't entirely unlikely. If Jim Moeller decides to go against the final product we could see something quite interesting - Moeller, Benton and Madore all on the same side in opposition.

But to be honest, lately I've been more focused on arguing against the CRC in The Oregonian, and trying to figure out just what the right answer is on the Tesoro project.

roger — February 25, 2014 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, before I forget - I received a couple of very nice e-mails back from John Hill this morning. The first came just a few moments after I e-mailed him saying we're feeling neglected here - An apology and saying he thought this had already been done. About 10-15 minutes later another one, saying this week is up, and again apologizing for the oversight.

roger — February 25, 2014 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Conservatism is dying, and is primarily embraced by a bitter, disgruntled segment of our society. So many are waking up.

The veil is being lifted.

///Why I left the GOP///

-I grew up in a rich, Republican household, but after Katrina and Iraq, I realized my priorities were out of order-

I used to be a serious Republican, moderate and business-oriented, who planned for a public-service career in Republican politics.  But I am a Republican no longer.

There’s an old joke we Republicans used to tell that goes something like this: “If you’re young and not a Democrat, you’re heartless. If you grow up and you’re not a Republican, you’re stupid.” These days, my old friends and associates no doubt consider me the butt of that joke. But I look on my “stupidity” somewhat differently.  After all, my real education only began when I was 30 years old.


An old saw has it that no one profits from talking about politics or religion.  I think I finally understand what it means.  We see different realities, different worlds.  If you and I take in different slices of reality, chances are that we aren’t talking about the same things.  I think this explains much of modern American political dialogue.

My old Republican worldview was flawed because it was based upon a small and particularly rosy sliver of reality.  To preserve that worldview, I had to believe that people had morally earned their “just” desserts, and I had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to point out that the world didn’t actually work that way.  I think this shows why Republicans put so much effort into “creat[ing] our own reality,” into fostering distrust of liberals, experts, scientists, and academics, and why they won’t let a campaign “be dictated by fact-checkers” (as a Romney pollster put it).  It explains why study after study shows — examples here, here, and here – that avid consumers of Republican-oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news sources or don’t bother to follow the news at all.

Waking up to a fuller spectrum of reality has proved long and painful.  I had to question all my assumptions, unlearn so much of what I had learned.  I came to understand why we Republicans thought people on the Left always seemed to be screeching angrily (because we refused to open our eyes to the damage we caused or blamed the victims) and why they never seemed to have any solutions to offer (because those weren’t mentioned in the media we read or watched).

My transition has significantly strained my relationships with family, friends, and former colleagues.  It is deeply upsetting to walk on thin ice where there used to be solid, common ground.  I wish they, too, would come to see a fuller spectrum of reality, but I know from experience how hard that can be when your worldview won’t let you.

Read more @

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — February 26, 2014 at 7:44 a.m.

Aliens. They make us sound like we're all meat and no bone.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What happens when you don't do your homework before you testify in front of a state senate hearing on legalization of pot:

"Annapolis Police Chief Michael A. Pristoop thought he came prepared when he testified before a Maryland state Senate panel on Tuesday about the perils of legalizing marijuana.

In researching his testimony against two bills before the Judicial Proceedings Committee, Pristoop said, he had found a news article to illustrate the risks of legalization: 37 people in Colorado, he said, had died of marijuana oversdoses on the very day that the state legalized pot."

Problem is, the chief was quoting from a parody news article:

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

For those who are sick of citizens like me and Ron and Hawk and others pointing out the flaws in Madore's leadership: just put us on ignore.

manthou — February 25, 2014 at 8:15 a.m.

there is no "ignore"

DeeLittle — February 26, 2014 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 8:07 a.m.

Imagine, a police chief believing this. Oh yeah, we don't have to imagine!

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

We don't have to wonder what conservative politics are all about. Proof is in the pudding.

-Atheists group blocked from CPAC-

On Tuesday, an atheist advocacy group heralded its participation in conservative super-gathering CPAC in March, only to be booted hours later after howls from conservative Christians and a taunt from the atheist group's president that "the Christian right should be threatened by us."

The episode was a perhaps overly dramatic episode over a conference booth, but it reignited continuing tensions among conservatives over how to court a growing cohort of non-religious Americans and navigate changing views on social issues.

"I'm really disappointed, but I'm not at all surprised," said David Silverman, president of American Atheists. "We were going to CPAC specifically to combat the notion that one must be Christian in order to be conservative. We wanted to bring that to the forefront."

But conference organizers said that while they were open to the group, Silverman's comments went too far. CPAC spokesperson Meghan Snyder said Silverman's group "misrepresented itself about their willingness to engage in positive dialogue and work together to promote limited government," in an e-mail to The Washington Post.

Snyder said Silverman used "divisive and inappropriate" language, giving CPAC "no choice but to return his money."
Christian conservatives bristled at CPAC's initial willingness to let the atheist group participate. Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, in an e-mail to CNN's Dan Merica (who first reported the group's dismissal), asked, "Does the American Conservative Union really think the liberties and values they seek to preserve can be maintained when they partner with individuals and organizations that are undermining the understanding that our liberties come from God? Thomas Jefferson warned against such nonsense."

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Being pedantic, Dee?

permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User <-------

Apparently, Sweden's Justice Minister aint the sharpest knife in the drawer either, nail ;^)

Drift — February 26, 2014 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle: Good morning.

Yes, there is an ignore option. Just look to the far right of the poster's name and date of post. Ignore User. Select. Gray Bar.

You're welcome!

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit: The good police chief was a victim of "confirmatory bias." :)

About the national exodus from the Republican party: locally, they are certainly concerned that they did not fare better in the Vancouver City Council elections. Their entire slate of endorsed candidates lost, as is well-known.

Vancouver is a target for them to make some in roads. Unless they produce candidates like Greg Kimsey in droves, they are going to continue to struggle in the city.

At the state level, WA is still considered one of the nation's bluest. When I become dismayed by the inertia in Olympia, I remind myself: I could be living in Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, etc.

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — February 26, 2014 at 9:03 a.m.

My God this lunacy went international! I understand Maryland getting it wrong, but Sweden?

We are truly living in the end times...

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Portland was asked if it wanted to be considered to host the 2016 Democratic National Convention and Charlie Hales declined:;_medium=twitter

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"When I become dismayed by the inertia in Olympia, I remind myself: I could be living in Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, etc."

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:15 a.m.

Amen sister. I can't imagine what it must be like to live in some of these places. In that sense, I'm much appreciative of my location as well.

It must be hell to be anything other than a far right conservative in Alabama.

-This Week More Troubling Abortion Bills In Alabama-

Some legislators in the Yellowhammer State seem intent on bringing the hammer down on Alabama women.

Less than a month into the new year, the Alabama House passed HB31 which would permit hospital staff, including any doctor, nurse, counselor, or lab technician, to refuse to participate in any phase of patient medical care related to ending a pregnancy, even if that is what a patient like this woman needs to protect her own health.

Not content with just one bill that poses a grave threat to women, some Alabama politicians are attempting to push through into law four additional anti-abortion measures.

Today, the Alabama House health committee passed a package of bills designed to roll back women's health by blocking access to abortion. The package includes:

A bill that would ban abortion as early as six weeks into pregnancy, before many women even know they're pregnant;
Two bills blocking care for 48 hours after a woman's initial consultation with her doctor (for no medical reason);
And a bill that puts burdensome and needless restrictions on minors' access to abortion.

We are likely to see intense debate and media coverage of the proposed six-week ban, but these other proposals are also critical. While the end goal of anti-choice forces remains overturning Roe v. Wade and making abortion illegal, politicians like the ones spearheading these efforts in Alabama have figured out that short of accomplishing this goal, they can effectively take away access by chipping away at access.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 9:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:38 a.m.

This would be a big get for Portland and a great way to promote their city. It seems shortsighted to be so dismissive of this possible opportunity.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I'd love to hear Hales' reasons for saying no. Might be too much money lost. Might be to discourage even more people from falling in love with the concept of PDX and moving here.

I do travel often and hear, "Oh, I wanna move to Portland!" It's from those long suffering Dems in flaming red states.

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


They have already said or hinted they were not going to expand the current number from 3 to 5. If one thinks it takes an inordinate amount of time to get something accomplished with 3 com, 5 would make it even worse. Keep it simple. KISS:)

HAWK..KISS :) Don't even start with me... Seriously almost fell outa my chair laughing. Hey I also want what's best for our city and county. You should bring some of your well thought out ideas forward to these folks. If someone has a better way to get something done I wouldn't put it past these 3 guys to at least listen or read what you have to say. There are open forums at the meetings to bring up these ideas or email them. I'm sure Anna probably peruses these emails daily...

Just why so snarky when someone Kndali cuts and pastes something that brings to lite a purpose for outsourcing right from Madores mouth. It just seems your so negative and bitter... You remind me of Dilbert a bit...I'm thinking once the Sun comes out your gonna start feeling better ...

REASONABLE= having sound judgment; fair and sensible. That would not pertain to many in The Basement there leaning way to far \\\\\\\\\\\\\\...LOL Some ready to blow Gaskets too..~~~ that is international sign for the sky is falling

vanwadreamer — February 26, 2014 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Too many times the only difference between a cop and a criminal is a badge. Criminal penalties against law enforcement should be at least doubled for violating public trust. Tripled.

-4 California Cops Arrested In Auto Theft Scheme That Targeted Poor Hispanics (PHOTOS)-

KING CITY, Calif. (AP) — Police officers in a Central California town took part in a scheme in which cars belonging to poor Hispanic people were impounded, towed and later sold or given away for free to some officers when the car owners couldn't pay the fees, authorities said Tuesday.

Four King City officers — including the recently retired police chief and the acting chief — have been arrested, and two others were also arrested Tuesday on unrelated charges, Monterey County District Attorney Dean Flippo said.

"There has been a significant breakdown in the internal leadership of the King City Police Department," Flippo said. "It also appears to me that some officers have dishonored their badge."

The six officers account for more than a third of the 17-member force in the agricultural town of 13,000 people about 150 miles southeast of San Francisco.

Early Tuesday morning, teams from the Monterey County sheriff's office, the FBI, the Salinas Police Department and the district attorney's bureau of investigation arrested the officers after a months-long investigation. It began as a response to complaints by residents of corruption and criminal acts within the department dating back at least 3 1/2 years, Flippo said.

The probe revealed that more than 200 vehicles had been impounded and that 87 percent had been taken in by the same towing company.

In some cases, authorities said, officers simply kept the cars for their own use.

Read more @

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Wow! A great read and a subject America needs to talk about, regardless of political affiliation.

Corporate welfare.

Fortune 500 companies receive $63 billion in subsidies

ON FEBRUARY 26, 2014
Remember when President Obama was lambasted for saying “you didn’t build that”? Turns out he was right, at least when it comes to lots of stuff built by world’s wealthiest corporate behemoths. That’s the takeaway from a new study of 25,000 major taxpayer subsidy deals over the last two decades.

Entitled “Subsidizing the Corporate One Percent,” the report from the taxpayer watchdog group Good Jobs First shows that the largest corporations in the world aren’t models of self-sufficiency and unbridled capitalism. To the contrary, they continue to receive tens of billions of dollars in government handouts. Such subsidies might be a bit more defensible if they were being doled out in a way that promoted upstart entrepreneurialism. But as the study also shows, a full “three-quarters of all the economic development dollars awarded and disclosed by state and local governments have gone to just 965 large corporations” — not to the small businesses and startups that politicians so often pretend to care about.

The true beneficiaries of subsidies are often hidden under layers of holding companies, shell firms and complex ownership agreements. But Good Jobs First did the tedious work of connecting the subsidies to the parent firms. In the process, the group discovered that a whopping $110 billion — or 75 percent of cumulative disclosed subsidy dollars — are going to these 965 large companies. Fortune 500 firms alone receive more than 16,000 subsidies at a total cost of $63 billion. Additionally, eight out of the top 20 firms receiving U.S. taxpayer subsidies are not even U.S. companies, meaning American taxpayers are being forced to directly subsidize foreign firms.

These kind of handouts, of course, are the opposite of anything having to do with a “free market.” They are the definition of government intervention in the market. Yet, the free-market image of companies is rarely tarnished when those companies accept the huge welfare payments.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Consider Koch Industries. Despite the Koch Brothers being the biggest financiers of the anti-government right, and despite their billing as libertarian “free market” activists, their company has relied on $88 million worth of government subsidies.

Similarly, behold the big tech firms. They are often portrayed as self-made up-from-the-bootstraps success stories. Yet, as Good Jobs First shows, they are among the biggest recipients of the subsidies.

Intel, for instance, leads the tech pack with 58 subsidies worth $3.8 billion. Next up is  IBM, which has received more than $1 billion in subsidies. Most of that is from New York – a state that is right now in the middle of a full-scale advertising campaign proudly promoting its handouts.

Then there’s Google’s $632 million and Yahoo’s $260 million, most of both companies’ subsidies derived from data center deals. Microsoft has pulled in $95 million primarily from Washington State’s tax handouts.

There is also Silver Lake Partners, which owns Dell and has by extension benefited from $482 million in corporate welfare payments.

And not to be forgotten is 38 Studios, the now bankrupt software firm that received $75 million in Rhode Island taxpayer cash at the very moment that state was cutting public workers’ pension benefits.

Along with propping up firms that are supposedly free-market icons, the subsidies are also flowing to financial firms that have become synonymous with never-ending bailouts and a perverse kind of corporate socialism. Indeed, firms like UBS, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and Citigroup – each of which were given massive taxpayer subsidies during the financial crisis — all are the recipients of tens of millions of dollars in additional subsidies tracked by Good Jobs First.

All of these handouts, of course, would be derided as welfare if they were going to poor people. But because they are going to extremely wealthy politically connected conglomerates, they are typically promoted with cheery euphemisms like “incentives” or “economic development.” Those euphemisms persist even though so many of these subsidies do not end up actually creating jobs or generating a net gain in public revenues.

In light of that, the Good Jobs First report is a reality check on all the political rhetoric about dependency. Most of that rhetoric is punitively aimed at the poor. That’s because, unlike the huge corporations receiving all those subsidies, the poor don’t have armies of lobbyists and truckloads of campaign contributions that make sure programs like food stamps are shrouded in the anodyne argot of “incentives” and “development.”

But as the report proves, if we are going to have an honest conversation about dependency and “free markets,” then all the billions of dollars flowing to politically connected companies need to be part of the discussion.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailigit at 1:24 PM: I always worried that tow companies were predatory on some level. They impound cars of poor people, who cannot pay the fees to get them back. Then they sell them at auction, with court approval. To have law enforcement in cahoots with this…..not much more can be said.

The rich keep getting richer and so many poor voters do not get that, by supporting certain Republican policies and candidates, they are voting against their own interests, ensuring that they stay poor.

I don't understand it.

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just why so snarky when someone Kndali cuts and pastes something that brings to lite a purpose for outsourcing right from Madores mouth.
vanwadreamer — February 26, 2014 at 10:37 a.m.

Because it had nothing to do with what we were talking about. We were talking about QUESTIONING Madore, not listening to one of his droning on speeches. They are two completely different things. When you or someone questions him, he immediately goes on the defensive and sidesteps your question. That's what I mean by calling him a used car salesman. He is very evasive.

As far as outsourcing labor relations, they have people on staff that do that. People that have other jobs besides negotiating. If they go to outsource that job, that means someone is going to be out of work. If they are going to hire an outside firm to do the negotiations and they don't fire the staff people, that is going to cost MORE money.

Madore has already cost us a ton of money, maybe he can bankrupt the County. Would that make you happy?

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BOCC Board Time gem today:

Don Benton has requested his very own security system to keep him safe from angry constituents.

What will it cost? Between $5,000 and $6,000.

His original request was more extensive, it seems, and it would have isolated an entire hallway. Staff talked him down (poor puppy), into agreeing to having a video feed and buzzer to let people in. Employees will have to use their cards to access their illustrious boss man.

Not a peep of protest about this expense for one manager. What other managers have their own security system? I'll bet not even Tony Golik does.

Clark County: Your Tax Dollars at Work!

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- At first I thought he must be afraid or paranoid.

But on second thought, it could be because he doesn't want anybody to walk in unexpectedly. You never know what business this lifelong politician might be conducting behind closed doors.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Hey, there's an angle I never considered. I won't say what I think he might be doing on County time, alone in that secure, locked office..playing solitaire?

Has he been receiving death threats? Why in the world would they rubber stamp that request just because he asked? I'd want some data to support the expenditure.

The Columbian is looking into it. I cannot wait.

In the meantime, Benton seems like a crybaby on so many levels: accusing a woman half his size of bullying him; threatening an 80 year old citizen for exercising his First Amendment rights; cowering in the bowels of Clark County Service Center, dodging angry staff who now can arm themselves.

What a piece of work…...

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 5:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Being pedantic, Dee?

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DeeLittle — February 26, 2014 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"alone in that secure, locked office..playing solitaire?"

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 5:11 p.m.

Black Jack on the Red Queen.

Remember the stink that was raised when the superintendent of Vancouver Public Schools installed a shower in his office?

166 comments on this article alone.

Will Don Benton's expenditure for a thousand or two more receive as much scrutiny?

Something doesn't wash.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — February 26, 2014 at 5:27 p.m.

There's a chance you're partially blind in your right eye.

nailingit — February 26, 2014 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — February 26, 2014 at 5:27 p.m.

Hey Dee, you're right! That's funny. The "ignore user" option has disappeared. It was there earlier today, now it's gone.

Oh well, I guess you will just have to skim over us "objectionable" users.

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 6:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )
Nope, it's still there.

luvithere — February 26, 2014 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Benton's security system request (and apparent unquestioning fulfillment) is a political ploy on his part pure and simple. He is using this for sympathy and he will point a pudgy digit at his "enemies," which exist on both sides of the aisle and are growing hourly. He has no ability to self-evaluate and change. Benton is the architect of his own misery.

I want to see the evidence he gave his boss friends that show he needs this. He is angering even Republicans in Olympia (see KJ Hinton's current blog with emails). Will he fabricate threats?

Good point about Steve Webb's shower. I cannot wait to hear Ed Barnes' rant next week on this. I am going to rant via email now….

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — February 26, 2014 at 6:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal

Not on my page

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.

You're forgetting that there are far more important things around here that the Dem Nat'l Convention would conflict with.

And No - I don't mean the world famous Naked Bike Ride - I figure June is way too early for the convention.

Figure the convention for late August to mid September.

The last full weekend in August is Hood to Coast/Portland to Coast. The Portland Marathon is in the beginning of October. Hotels, rental cars, etc will be at a premium, and there's a pretty small window there to fit a convention into.

And, if that isn't enough, you have the homeless population, the dope addict street crowd, and Occupy Portland. And a whole lot of people who like to congregate and smoke dope in the parks, and several crackheads who get high on the streets over in Chinatown.

Now, if this was Chicago back in the day, or maybe even Phoenix today, the Sheriff would bust a few heads and tell the riff raff to take a hike until the nice convention visitors were gone. But that crap won't fly in P'Town because everyone has rights. (Come to think of it, it didn't go over too well in Chicago either.)

roger — February 26, 2014 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.

Odd. Guess some of us get more choices. :)
Probably just another hiccup of the site.

luvithere — February 26, 2014 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User ) is still on my page too.

roger — February 26, 2014 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Too weird.... those who inhabit the spatial places of the 2nd dimension may be becoming restless... angry constituents can be found anywhere.

Or it could be those little yellow pizza guys that are missing a slice having a bad case of the munchies.

jacjak — February 26, 2014 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Or it could be those little yellow pizza guys that are missing a slice having a bad case of the munchies.

jacjak — February 26, 2014 at 8:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal

And just WHAT are you smokin?

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

OK, here's the thing......

I switched over from Chrome to Firefox and it showed up again. Then I switched back and it was gone and then I switched back and here it is. Now I'm dizzy... Hey Dee

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 26, 2014 at 8:35 p.m
Bad boy :)

luvithere — February 26, 2014 at 8:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

An interesting conversation on C3G2 the other day.

Tom Gibson starts by noting John Ley's facebook page comments - calls him a homegrown terrorist sympathizer and a quisling, among other things. Betty Sue Morris notes that he's announced his candidacy for the 18th District Rep position currently held by Brandon Vick and that Mike Briggs is also running for. Gibson responds that Vick is probably too liberal for some; that while he's wrong on some positions, he appears to do his homework, vote for what he thinks best for his state and district; and stay away from the Boeing bribes and other ALEC type business.

At that point Mike Briggs chimes in and asks Gibson if he's supporting Vick - a "what about me" post. Gibson responds that the conversation isn't about Mike - (it's not a comparison is a rather puzzling comment, though - he was definitely making one between Lay and Vick.)

Gibson - "Self righteous people don't have much tolerance for information that doesn't agree with their narrative."

Mike makes a say nothing comment, and then Gibson responds that Mike ignored the main points and zeroed in on just a part of his comment. (Gee - I've been telling Mike that same thing for a couple of years.) He goes on to say -- "I think Vick has plenty of weaknesses in his positions for you to run against him but I do feel that he is probably as good a representative as we might hope to get in this county. If your running made it possible for a Madore clone to get elected replacing Vick that would be a poor outcome for the 18th. It is unfortunate that we are in a position where our choices are between the lesser of two evils but our politics in this country has been like that for as long as I can remember. I hope you will keep a realistic outcome of your chances and support our best choice that has a realistic chance of winning and know when to let go if the numbers look like they will create a split in the wrong direction."

Mike was not happy with that.

roger — February 27, 2014 at 6:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: There's internal strife going on with C3G2. One entire conversation was deleted by administrator Brian Wray yesterday because it was deemed inappropriate.

Even offensive speech is protected by the First Amendment, last time I checked. But I guess if you administer a FB page, you can make up your own rules. Fair enough. I just find it a bit hypocritical.

OK. I say that Steve Stuart will win that city manager job at Ridgefield. It would be their best choice.

My question of the day: Who appoints his replacement for the duration of his term? Who do you think should be considered for the job?

Anyone? Anyone?

Jeanne Stuart comes to mind, but she is not interested in working that hard for such a high salaried job. She is spent and does not need the money.

They'll reach out to her first, is my bet.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 7:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

John Ley, by the way, is David Madore's new BFF. Madore did a highlight of him as he shadowed Madore one full day. I assume he will help bankroll the campaign.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Briggs's running in the 18th will definitely pull some votes away from Brandon Vick.

Briggs doesn't stand a chance. So, between Vick and Ley, Vick is the smarter choice.

Ley could win if Dems don't vote for Vick. This is a bit like the Madore/Boldt race where there were so many undervotes for Boldt, the election went for Madore. Had Dems voted for Boldt, rather than leaving than refusing to vote for either candidate, we'd have a different mix at CC right now.

Like one of the Freeholders said last Saturday: voters should have the freedom to make mistakes and live with the consequences. :)

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone know who is going to take John Laird's place at the C?

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I assume that question is sarcastic? :)

Hey, I found an article you might enjoy reading. Mars Hill Church is a hot topic among Seattlites. We have a branch in PDX. This Crosscut article unmasks some toxic "group think" that is rampant there.

It is why I avoid organized religion of any sort.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 8:03 a.m.

Conservatives being duped by fellow conservatives is like a chronic inescapable disease with the right. These guys deserve each other.

This group seems to have all the hallmarks of a cult. Among other things, adult women are given the same measure of respect as they give a child. All are subservient to men.

This Christian evangelical environment fosters male elitism, and in part explains why folks like Madore deem themselves King in the public court.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The First Amendment is about government censorship. It is not about the private sector.

Steve Stuart was himself appointed to the CC Board of Commissioners, when Pridemore left the board for the state Legislature. I’m not sure, but I think the local Democrat party selects at least three candidates who are then considered by the boards of three counties. I’m thinking Clark, Cowlitz and Lewis. In any event, this would be a good opportunity for Democrats to field an incumbent candidate come the 2014 elections. If possible, the Republicans should select the wackiest of the bunch, for a better target in November. As a non-partisan position, the city is different. Candidates can apply, and the council makes the decision. This is how Leavitt first got his city council position.

And Hawkman, the conversation was about outsourcing the union negotiations, which first came up because HR has asked for additional staff. It was only you that mentioned about not being able to get a straight answer from DM. Incidentally, attrition is also a way to downsize a workforce.


kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai: Appreciate the background info on the appointment process for Stuart's seat (assuming he gets that Ridgefield job). I had not realized he was appointed himself originally.

Ok. So it has to be a Dem, I guess. Any viable candidates? Honestly, I am digging deep here and cannot name any obvious choices.

Bring Pridemore back?

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"nailingit: I assume that question is sarcastic? :)"

Yeah. I figure with Jayne's column amassing 7 comments in the last 3 weeks, management might be asking the same question.

The C should bring back Laird pro bono and pay him a ridiculous amount of money for each opinion piece.

Doing so would bring back The Hounds of Whinerville and might add to it's subscription base.

And maybe, just maybe, hawking company coffee cups would stop being front page news.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I did say that “I’m not sure”, but I am sure that that process has been used in the past, and can’t think of anything else it would have been used for other than for the Board. Pridemore, if he still resides in the third district, would seem like a prime choice. I'm wondering if Pollard is going to lobby for the job. Pollard would be a big mistake for the Dems.

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: The cup campaign, as you know, is a way to bond with supportive readers. I'd like to see that expand to something more substantive: Columbian-sponsored community forums on timely topics of interest. Create a dialogue with journalists and the community like Crosscut does. Just my 2 cents. I hate it when newspapers protect their journalists from the public. They often discourage interaction. Seems hypocritical to advocate for open government and close your own staff off from transparency. It gives the impression that they interact with readers while holding their noses. Kinda like politicians do during fund raisers: "Do I really have to interact with this lowly voter?"

I heard it from Mr. Laird directly: he's hanging up the word processor for more important matters like grandchildren and retirement fun. Won't even consider a blog.

kn_dalai: I thought Pollard might be on someone's list, but I was never sure if he was a Democrat. I think he's too divisive and controversial and crabby to win in an election, but I could be waaay off base. Some people think that is exactly what is needed to stand up to the M and M Majority Coalition. My political predictions are not always accurate.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 9:22 a.m.

Hawking cups to foster community involvement and pay bills has it's place, but shouldn't be front page news every weekend. I agree with your expansion idea.

I thought of Pollard for the interim also. It will take a strong personality to oppose M&M; when needed. If someone as heavily RW biased as rufusknd thinks it to be a bad idea, then I'm thinking Pollard deserves a good long look.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

“If possible, the Republicans should select the wackiest of the bunch, for a better target in November.” -- kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 8:25 a.m

“Pridemore, if he still resides in the third district, would seem like a prime choice. I'm wondering if Pollard is going to lobby for the job. Pollard would be a big mistake for the Dems.” -- kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 9:09 a.m

“If someone as heavily RW biased as rufusknd thinks it to be a bad idea, then I'm thinking Pollard deserves a good long look” -- the misanthrope — February 27, 2014 at 9:51 a.m.

If one could set aside personal feelings, then one would see that I’ve said that the appointment will likely become the Democrat incumbent in November 2014, and Pollard would be a good thing for Republicans. Of course, in order to understand this presupposes an ability of objectiveness and at least a modicum of logic.

Having said that; I see that it’s necessary to connect the dots for some. There are voters who vote both sides in order to “balance” things, and with two current Republican commissioners, that might normally give an edge to a Democrat. Someone like Pollard may take that edge away, so by all means Democrats; please do offer up cranky old Pollard as a candidate.

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou I don't see anything in the Columbian about Benton's request for a security door.

timerick — February 27, 2014 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Benton's public behavior: shouldn't he assume responsibility for his own risk reduction by acting more civilly to his colleagues and constituents?

His behavior and emails are observable and speak volumes about his anger management skills.

Now that he is a CC employee, maybe his buds can recommend Employee Assistance?

Giving him his own private security system without solid evidence he needs it, is classic enabling. It demonstrates how dangerous crony political appointments can be: we give him what he wants, without questioning the merits of the request or expenditure, simply because he is our friend and he asked.

Start treating others with civility, Mr. Benton, and you might not need extra security (show us the threats, though, before we shell out the dough):

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: The story is coming.

I heard it on the Board Time audio at the end of yesterday's meeting. It has been confirmed that Benton asked for a special security system and is getting it. No questions asked, apparently.

We need to know, as taxpayers who are shoveling out this added expense: what prompted this request? Has there been a specific threat? What was it, if so? What other CC managers have their own security system? How much will this cost? Are there other measures that can be tried first, like Mr. Benton learning self-management skills and taking personal responsibility for changing his angry outbursts, to reduce risk?

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Who let the dogs out?......Ruf Ruf

I take heart a subjective mind can grasp obvious nuances, yet saddened it still wrestles with pretentious dialogue when attempting interpersonal communication.


Dems would be better to mirror Madore's run. Get a local party fave without a record to run on. A Face Book Babe like Dave, but the opposite of the conservative pop culture icon. Meanwhile, Pollard can fire things up. Bring a little "transparency" to the commission.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 11:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail I don't believe that Pollard knows the meaning of transparency. My opinion is based on what he ramrodded through when he was Mayor. As far as I am concerened he was the action boy for Identity Clark County. He dances to puppet masters. Just my opinion.

timerick — February 27, 2014 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: If Steve Stuart gets this job, there will be those who cry: cronyism! Just like Benton!

He was vetted and is going through a process right now. A process was honored and he was compared with other candidates, a discussion will ensue, and he will or will not be chosen.

Chris Clifford, Benton's crony, went through the HR process at CC, apparently, and was chosen by Benton among a pool of finalists, some of whom are not Benton cronies. So be it. At least there was a process, not an outright appointment. I think that is why folks don't go after the Clifford job.

Just trying to get ahead of the noise.

kn_dalai: KJ Hinton reports that Madore and Mielke will be making the replacement appointment. We'll just have to see, I guess. This all could be moot if Stuart does not get the job.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 26, 2014 at 5:11 p.m.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 11:06 a.m.

Such a girly man.

Next thing he'll want is a bodyguard. Then a posse.

Give a mouse a cookie...

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Nail I don't believe that Pollard knows the meaning of transparency."

timerick — February 27, 2014 at 11:30 a.m.

He's a perfect fit!

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit; "pop culture"? As I've noted many times; you're very imitative. Thanks for the flattery.

Manthou, Hinton also said something like "my understanding is". Don't know, but it seems odd to me that only two commissioners can make the decision. Seems to me they could agree to disagree on a replacement, and string the thing off until election time so there is no incumbent Democrat running, and have no opposition in the meantime. Or select a Republican for a seat now held by a Democrat, which doesn't sound right. Dunno. All just speculation for now. As you say, we'll see.

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pollard is a Grumpy OL B turd....Have you seen him at our local meetings.. He is so Bitter and done...He wouldn't be able to stay awake if the meeting went past 7pm. We need someone with Vitality and Energy. No Re Treads allowed to come back. There are people out there that we haven't heard from as yet... Hopefully someone will step forward no matter ones party affiliation..

vanwadreamer — February 27, 2014 at 12:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 12:08 p.m.

Yes. Conservative pop culture. The ol' federalist-don't tread on me-constitution lovin' 2nd amendment Palinesque culture of today's conservative movement.

Attempting to direct a conversation inward to deflect intent is, well, less than flattering.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Republican pop culture is a great subject and has been discussed at length in here. From Beck to Palin-it's all about cat-scratch-fever.

Republican pop culture icons, to include the Fox news network, (whose viewers age average 104) feed off the bigotry and prejudices so prevalent in today's conservative movement. They make a fortune appeasing inherent "qualities"hung over from generations before.

From Rushbo to Hannity to Nugent-all stars in todays conservative pop movement. Memory serves, at the behest of powerful republican politicians, Nugent and Hannity even attended the SOTU this year.

There seems to be some hope for sensibility, as some on the right have denounced this republican attraction with RW media celebs as a negative thing.

The republican post mortem report is a good reminder of how this party felt in the aftermath of 2012. Now it's all but forgotten as the Huckerbees and Becks drown reasonable voices out.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

" (3) Whenever there is one vacancy in the office of county commissioner, the two remaining commissioners shall fill the vacancy. If the two commissioners fail to agree upon a selection after the expiration of five days from the day the vacancy occurred, the governor shall appoint the third commissioner."

Well, this does open up some interesting possibilities.

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 1:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai: Thanks for doing the research on that. Wow. Never a dull moment in Clark County politics.

There is not a snowball's chance in Hades that M and M won't agree on a replacement. They will never allow this to go to the Gov.

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.

Well, I can see it right now. Madore has already picke out who HE wants (whoever is closest up his butt) and Meilke is being told who it's going to be. Can't wait to see how this one turns out.

Wait!!!! Maybe Benton can handle a third job!!!

Hawkman — February 27, 2014 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

-Republicans derail Senate vets bill-

Senate Republicans on Thursday derailed a sweeping $21 billion bill that would have expanded medical, educational and other benefits for veterans – in other chapter of the ongoing feud over amendments, spending and new sanctions on Iran.


Just two Republicans, Sens. Jerry Moran of Kansas, and Dean Heller of Nevada crossed party lines and joined Democrats in their bid to move the bill forward.

Reid, who blocked the Iran amendment and others, blamed Republicans for more obstructionism and killing a bill that would have helped the nation’s 22 million veterans and their families.
Reid said he hoped veterans’ groups were watching the lengths Republicans had gone to “to defeat this bill, because it will be defeated.”

“That was their aim from the very beginning,” Reid said on the Senate floor.


Heritage Action urged lawmakers to vote ‘no’ on the bill, saying it “fails to make necessary reforms to the VA system that is already overburdened and flawed, harming both veterans truly in need of assistance and taxpayers in the process.”

The measure, solidly supported by more than two dozen veterans groups, would have authorized the Department of Veterans Affairs to open or expand more than two-dozen medical centers across the country. It also would extend the life of a program that offers care for veterans with mild to severe brain injuries and make more veterans eligible for in-state tuition at public universities.

The bill would have also restored the cost-of-living military pension cuts for new recruits this year; Congress already restored the cuts for others.

Veterans’ advocates worried the vote, compounded with the earlier move to cut pensions in last year’s budget deal, might be a sign of their waning clout on Capitol Hill, even in an election year.

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nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 1:09 p.m.

The Left continues to try to paint Republicans as racist even though the percentage of African Americans that consider themselves Republican climb. As of 2012 16% of African Americans consider themselves Republican, the highest percentage since 1960.

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.

"As of 2012 16% of African Americans consider themselves Republican.."


Yet in 2012 Obama got 93% of the African-American vote.

Republicans getting the African-American vote...

...good luck with that!

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Like I said before there is always two sides to every story..

Dem's slashed Bennies just two months ago now they want to restore some of them...That's why reading a few articles will give you a better picture of what's really going on... Just cut and paste what you want people to read, thus the Lemmings start believing if you keep saying or doing it over and over.

This bill was going to be paid by savings from the Afgan War..
Republicans criticized how most of Sanders‘ bill was paid for - with unspent money from the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and the winding down of American military involvement in Afghanistan. The GOP says those are not real savings because no one expected those dollars to be spent as those wars ended anyway. Just another Scheme or scam to pay for something that will be passed onto Taxpayers to pay for. The dems are the ones that cut the bennies for our troops in the first place just two months ago....

Republicans also objected to provisions making more veterans without service-connected injuries eligible for treatment at Department of Veterans Affairs facilities. They said that would swamp an already overburdened system.

It's no different than Obamacare. We will just have the healthy young and Healthy older folks pay higher premiums so Those without healthcare can reap the benefits while putting the cost on others backs... We still have 3 million less folks insured with health insurance this than we had last year. And those folks paid monthly premiums last year...

vanwadreamer — February 27, 2014 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
"Yet in 2012 Obama got 93% of the African-American vote."

Unlike the small percentage of liberals (21%), most people do not blindly vote party line. Just because 16% of African Americans consider themselves Republican does not mean they would vote for Romney. I am very conservative, and I did not vote for Romney. The fact still stands that the highest percentage of African Americans since 1960 consider themselves Republican.

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"The fact still stands that the highest percentage of African Americans since 1960 consider themselves Republican."

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 3:35 p.m.

Assuming your numbers are correct, good for the GOP! It must be all the wonderful republican policy that's geared towards benefitting our black community.

Why just yesterday I read Ohio is eliminating Sunday voting!

Republican lawmaking is also spurring quaint social gatherings, uniting folks from all walks of life singing republican praises. Such as the 80,000 folks who protested in this week's 'Moral Monday' march in North Carolina.

The examples are endless.

Yup. The GOP are making quite the inroads.

I hope they keep on keeping on. They are doing a fabulous job.

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 4:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A friend of mine just sent this link to me from the Washington Wire.

He's a Republican and thinks Benton is a royal embarrassment. So does this blog post:

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 4:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 27, 2014 at 4:04 p.m.

African Americans who consider themselves Republican hit an all time low in 1968 with just 3%, 15% however voted for Nixon that year, probably because of his unwavering support of civil rights. Today the number is 16%, and if the Democrats continue with their current trajectory that percentage will continue to rise. Currently Conservatives outnumber Liberals in general in all States except Massachusetts and Rhode Island. You can post all of the anecdotes and Strawman arguments you want, it doesn't change the fact that Americans are becoming more conservative on fiscal issues and Republicans are becoming more Libertarian on social issues.

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 4:49 p.m.
I am feeling generous today, FRO, so I might give you half a point for Americans becoming more conservative on fiscal issues. They sure hear nuff about it from the tea folks.

But Republicans becoming more libertarian on social issues? How? Where? What with the religious bills and anti-abortion, and I -say-what-you- can-do-in-your-bedroom bills?

Help me out here, as this point truly escapes me (I am not kidding nor being sarcastic).

luvithere — February 27, 2014 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Last Presidential election Paul, Johnson, Perry, Cain and Huntsman favored States rights over Federal marijuana laws, Bachmann took no position, leaving only Romney, Santorum and Gingrich supporting Federal Marijuana prohibition. Polls also show Republicans growing more likely to support candidates that support gay marriage and abortion. Each year we have more and more Republican/Libertarian crossover candidates. Fiscal conservatism and social conservatism are often at odds, and many of the new young Republicans are making the choice of fiscal conservatism over social. I find the gay rights issue to be quite odd, Republicans` recognized their gay membership with the Log Cabin Club 21 years before the Democrats followed suit with the Stonewall Democrats.

frobert — February 27, 2014 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye, I started to write a parody of a Madore, Mielke and Benton triumvirate months ago, all in good fun, but it shall never see the light of day. (Yes, yes, I know, who cares.) You people are far too bitter to be even able to laugh at your political others without invoking villainous contemptuous rancor, let alone being able to laugh at yourselves.

Something unappetizing about looking at the fangs of a pack of rabid wolves.

Manthou, undoubtedly there will be criticisms of a Stuart selection, if that materializes. While the hiring process will have been adhered to, there is a question of Stuart and Onslow both being members of the gang of five C-Tran Board sell out, which will, and should be, compared to former state Senator Cheryl Pflug, R-Maple Valley, selling her vote and attempting to sell her senate seat to Democrats, in exchange for a cushy appointed job by Democrat Governor Gregoire. I’ve referenced this a couple times before, with links, but here’s another one from King 5 news: in her own words. You decide.

Senator Pflug, was one of the two recipients of Benton’s infamous blowups, the other being Rivers. Benton was wrong in both cases, but if one is dealing with another, who is truly selling out their position of trust, for personal gain, then the wrath of the soldout’s is understandable, and works both ways regardless of party affiliation. IMO.

You will recall, that Stuart was chastised by Madore, as Madore relayed the story at a C-Tran Board meeting after that infamous vote, for having gone back on what he (Stuart) had told Madore about agreeing to hold a public vote over the matter. An accusation which flustered Stuart, but which he did not dispute. It’s what lead to the “Integrity Resolution” put forth by Madore and Mielke.

It’s no wonder that Stuart is looking for a way out. Nice enough guy I’m sure. But he screwed up bad, and the reasons for what happened are bound to be looked at in relation to an appointment to the Ridgefield City manager position . Although not so much by the Columbian.

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 27, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.,

Stuart is (was) up for reelection this coming November, so the appointment is going to be a pretty short one.

Carolyn Crane or Deb Peterson?

District 3 residents - You better start praying Stuart doesn't get the job.

roger — February 27, 2014 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — February 27, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.
Carolyn Crane or Deb Peterson?

early dinner just finished of a nice bbqd brisket from crock pot. Now you just ruined the digestion.

luvithere — February 27, 2014 at 6:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, Lord, roger! I hadn't even considered those options. Sharon Nasset, thankfully, is out because she is an Oregonian. There's also John Ley, who has been sucking up to Madore big time. We're getting ahead of ourselves here…...

Luvithere: I have pulled pork tonight from the crockpot. We'll get sick on our slow cooked food together. :(

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 27, 2014 at 6:19 p.m.

hope not. Mine was really tender but I also cooked it on high. That slow stuff is too slow for me.

luvithere — February 27, 2014 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — February 27, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.

Crain or Peterson? Nah.

David wouldn't have a "woman" on the board. Meilke would be too distracted and Dave wouldn't be able to control him. Nope, if David has his way, it will be someone he can control. Probably someone nobody knows.

Hawkman — February 27, 2014 at 10:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm going to cheat a bit and refer back to Lew Waters' recommendations for freeholder. I've no clue who most of these people are - maybe someone who lives in District 3 could educate us?

(Crockpot cooking works well, but I've a tendency to make too much. I'm extremely tired of eating the Kahlua pork I made over the weekend.)

Crain and Peterson.
Jerry Oliver (would he leave his Port commissioner job for this?).
Thomas Higdon (The name rings a bell - I think maybe I've read a few of his comments to newspaper articles).
Bill Hughes, Don Yingling, Winde Bekins Chavez, Craig Riley. No idea who any of these are.

A short term assignment like this would be a perfect chance for someone with political aspirations to get known by the voters. With all the different conservative factions around here, no idea which (if any) of these would be acceptable to M&M.;

roger — February 28, 2014 at 5:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 27, 2014 at 10:43 p.m.

Good points. No women, and no shiny objects for Meilke.

You guys know the locals more than I, but I haven't heard Paul Harris mentioned.

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

-10 ways Members gave back their salaries during the government shutdown-

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 7:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I believe that the highest form of charity is anonymous.

Some politicians might agree, so we will never know of their good deeds. Then again, revealing what they did for the greater good is often politically helpful…….

manthou — February 28, 2014 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Remember some of Don Yingling.... used to post toxic comments on the Columbian.

Through association know Craig Riley... Don Benton style without the crumpled suit.

Heard the talk on Madore of Paul Harris on his FB page, and may have thought it a good fit for more balance, right up til I went to his townhall on Saturday. Not a question answer-er by any means, more of a one-liner, zinger, put-downer, snarky it's all the democrats fault sort of communicator. Disappointing. Can only assume Olympia has been too much a challange for him, or his was hugely feeding his base, or he's done hiding his real self. But don't think he'd be a Mark Boldt sort of balance....too interested in hearing the wind blow.

jacjak — February 28, 2014 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JJ- I don't think Harris is balanced either. But considering the bromance on Dave's FB with him, with a run up to an open seat and the love for government salaries these guys have, unless I'm missing something, (and very well could be) I think Dave would find Paul quite attractive for this position.

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Whatever happens, Clark County is in trouble and it is only going to get worse. With Stuart on vacation for the past two weeks, we are getting a glimpse of what it is like without a moderating and compassionate voice to counter the craziness. M and M's goals are to dismantle government, get it down to a skeleton crew. Is it working? We'll see.

I watched the Board of Health meeting and was appalled at the lack of knowledge shown by the questions M and M peppered Dr. Melnick with. Do they do their homework before meetings? So much time is spent on educating these guys on how the "other half" live.

When the Public Health Director gave the commissioners the current stats on medicaid (Apple Health), Mielke quipped under his breath, "Well, there it goes out of my other pocket. Har, har, har." Mr. Sensitive. Champion of the downtrodden. I could see the wheels turning in both of their brains: How can we dismantle this program next?
Anyone following Glenn Greenwald's latest bombshell? Government spies are infiltrating the internet to plant reputation-ruining info on their enemies and more. Thoughts?

manthou — February 28, 2014 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sounds like GCHQ teaming up with the NSA to cause global destruction. I do see some fear mongering mixed with speculation.

What's been done across the pond with our help is troubling, but I figured this stuff has been happening for quite awile.

This is the propaganda war we've been fighting forever. Now with agenda driven government trolls, and media trolls as well. Remember this?

Not to seem apathetic. But this is the world we live in. To my knowledge there is no way to prevent this. Fighting fire with fire-everyone gets burned.

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: The best defense? Take the time to do your own research, rather than accepting what is spoon-fed.

manthou — February 28, 2014 at 10:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 28, 2014 at 10:04 a.m.Verify and validate.

Amen sister. Verify & validate.

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: This is why PDX said no to the 2016 Democratic National Convention:

manthou — February 28, 2014 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 28, 2014 at 3:15 p.m.

Thanks manthou. It has to be an incredible undertaking for a city to host this and come out on top. Truly a logistical nightmare for the powers that be.

I'd love to get a picture of Al Gore in line at Voodoo Donuts.

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It's crazy that a group of fanatics have this much power. I'm betting two of our commissioners would be right at home with these folk. Chip in for two one-way tickets?

US Arizona Digital. Has a nice ring to it.

-How One Right-Wing Christian Group Is Leading Arizona's March Toward Conservative Extremism-

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A fun, yet disturbing article that brings attention to an ever growing problem. The loss of our loved ones to Fox News. No doubt many have experienced this tragedy at some level, if not a father, than another family member or loved one.

I wonder if there are any support groups that address this?

To my forum brothers and sisters who have suffered loss due to Fox News exposure and are grieving, take heart. Sometimes just talking about it will open the floodgates of healing.

///I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria///

-Old white people are drowning in despair and rage. Here's how my father lost his mind -- thanks to his cable diet-

Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We’re losing much of a generation.  They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or “patriots” of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.

We’re losing people like my father to the despair of Fox News, and it’s all by design.

My dad is 67 years old, a full year younger than the average Fox viewer, who is 68, according to an analysis in New York magazine by columnist Frank Rich. I’ve read accounts of people my age — 40 or so — losing parents to cancer or Alzheimer’s, but just as big a tragedy are the crops of grandmothers and grandfathers debilitated by Fox News-induced hysteria.

I enjoyed Fox News for many years, as a libertarian and frequent Republican voter. I used to share many, though not all, of my father’s values, but something happened over the past few years. As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage, arriving at their inevitable destination with the creation of the Tea Party movement.


I do not blame or condemn my father for his opinions. If you consumed a daily diet of right-wing fury, erroneously labeled “news,” you could very likely end up in the same place. Again, this is all by design. Let’s call it the Fox News effect. Take sweet, kindly senior citizens and feed them a steady stream of demagoguery and repetition, all wrapped in the laughable slogan of “fair and balanced.” Even watching the commercials on Fox, one is treated to sales pitches for gold and emergency food rations, the product cornerstones of the paranoid. To some people the idea of retirees yelling at the television all day may seem funny, but this isn’t a joke. We’re losing the nation’s grandparents, and it’s an American tragedy.

Read More @

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 10:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 28, 2014 at 9:01 p.m.

I'm just glad Jan Brewer has the smarts to veto this one. It could have led them down a road that would have been hard to come back from.

Hawkman — February 28, 2014 at 10:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Community Forum today on the Tesoro/Savage proposal at the Port: 9:30 - 11:30 am at the Kiggins.

The Port and Tesoro/Savage have declined to show, so I don't expect to hear a balanced presentation. Is this a way to whip up community opposition?

I think I am going to walk down there to see if I hear anything new. Anyone else going?

By the way, I have attended two Tesoro/Savage presentations. If you want balance, you have to work for it. :)
nailingit: I read that article about the guy losing his once-reasonable dad to FOX News. I have a relative who is hooked on MSNBC. I am slooowly getting him acclimated to Al Jazeera, just to reduce the amount of yelling that is coming from the boob tube. :)

Can't we disagree or learn from each other without the noise?

manthou — March 1, 2014 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

After warnings from Pres Obama, Hagel, and others about interfering in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin has Russian troops on the Crimean peninsula supporting the Ukranian President and government forces against the anti-government forces, who have occupied the capital in Kiev and much of the rest of the country. He is currently "asking" the Russian Parliament for permission to use military force to protect the Ukranian government.

What gets me is the direct challenge thrown at Putin by Pres Obama - in a news conference publicized around the world. I'm sorry, but that was a VERY stupid move - Putin cannot and will not be lectured to by our President in this fashion; his position as a preeminent player on the world stage is at stake.

So now he's made his move. How does our government react? If we do nothing, we're exposed as the so-called paper tiger. Barring an immediate reaction from France, Germany, Great Britain,, joining with us, we're going to be standing there going "Hey! I told you stop!" - do we back up our words?

This has a very high risk for getting quite ugly.

roger — March 1, 2014 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Can't we disagree or learn from each other without the noise?"

manthou — March 1, 2014 at 7:28 a.m.

Not when we use false equivalencies when speaking of media corruption. Just throwing all the eggs in the basket and calling them rotten (noise) does more harm than good. As this isn't the first time, you seem to have a need to "balance" Fox news criticisms by dragging other media down with it. Besides, Al-Jazeera has been criticized much for it's own sets of bias from within the news community.

I personally haven't watched any news outlets but the major networks for some time now. I just don't see the value in your painting news providers with such a broad brush. It's counter to your usual promotion of good journalistic practices.

(Don't mean to sound crabby, still working on the coffee:)

nailingit — March 1, 2014 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail news is always going to be bias one way or the other. It is human nature. It would be very hard to take your own feelings out of any commentary. I don't watch Fox news much either unless you call channel 12 Fox news. I think I am old enough to make up my own mind on what I want to believe in. I don't put much thought in what most of the news casters report on. I don't like the picking and choosing that is thrown at us everyday. The truth works just fine for me. If someone does something stupid or wrong I say lets put the truth out there for all of us to see and let us decide if that is what we want to believe. Hard to argue with truth.

timerick — March 1, 2014 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I just read this and am taken back by DM's lack of knowledge concerning health care. Are most conservatives this ill informed?

(Anyone ever ask Dave where he gets his news from?)

nailingit — March 1, 2014 at 10:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — March 1, 2014 at 10:27 a.m.

I enjoy insightful honest news commentary, regardless of political persuasion.

I remember this discussion from a couple weeks ago. I'm feeling lazy so will just repost post.

"I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet."

~Rodney Dangerfield~

It's interesting how people quantify news agencies. It's become common to say MSNBC is left, Fox News is right, and CNN is in the center. In a sense, or better to say in the abstract, this is true. But there are countless variables within these outlets. For Fox to be considered a viable news conduit is up for grabs for sure. Minus a show or two, Fox News is strictly a propaganda machine for the right. To wit; Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, and Sarah Palin are just a few of Fox News past and present employees.

MSNBC offers political discussion with a decidedly left slant, promo's the Dem party, but is fairly self correcting, calls out politicians on both sides of the aisle, and debates policy much more than other outlets. Morning Joe and a few others provide a counterweight somewhat.

CNN needs to get their focus back on world news and stateside disasters. They suck at everything else.

C-SPAN is best for unfiltered truth.

Some tend to see the middle ground in politics as the Holy Grail. A middle ground doesn't exist in the ever changing spectrum of life, nor does it the offshoot of politics. Bias always sits towards the front on certain issues, in the backseat on others. Is it contextually factual should be the question.

roger's right. Al-Jazeera sounds funny. They will never capture a conservative American audience. Maybe they should promo their network as 'All-Jazz-Era'. Intro with Duke Ellington and glassy-eyed wingers won't know the difference.

Not to rain on the Al-Jazeera bandwagon, and yes, this article is penned by a CNN contributor, but some food for thought none the less.

nailingit — February 7, 2014 at 11:59 a.m.

nailingit — March 1, 2014 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 1, 2014 at 7:44 a.m.

Not sure, but I was thinking more about Czeckoslovakia in 1968, and Hungary, or Poland, or Estonia, or all the countries that end in 'stan', when Obama pointed out the costs to what amounts to invasion of Ukraine, and giving verbal acknowledgment that the world is closely watching. It's always more difficult to view events in their long-ranged potentials, but a new sort of USSR power grab, be it through political puppets or invasion, could be well worth considering for our own country, and the world. A weird sort of Cold War awareness has been just under the radar ever since Russia elected a KGB officer to their presidency.

jacjak — March 1, 2014 at 11:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: You are allowed crabby. No false equivalencies. I was talking about the yelling from talking heads, not the substance or veracity of the broadcasts. Yelling happens on both networks. I really hate to hear that sort of thing, when I am trying to wind down at the end of a long day. Some people might be stimulated by it.

I did post yesterday about Madore's utter lack of knowledge on how medicaid and the ACA work. It is so evident in watching the Board of Health video. I worry that he and Mielke are figuring out how to trash the program, at least Medicaid, in CC.

The oil train forum this morning: Pretty good. Biased crowd and speakers against it, and Craig Pridemore kept the conversations going with good questions. Barry Cain expressed it best by mentioning that the PERCEPTION of danger is just as harmful as the real danger. Even if there isn't an accident looming, the public believes there may be. That's enough to kill development and property values. Just the perception, the threat.

What a great community resource the Kiggins has become! It is like our unofficial town hall. Love the renovations.

manthou — March 1, 2014 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"nailingit: You are allowed crabby."

Thanks manthou. I feel better now. Coffee n' cake, a neck rub, a heating pad and watching golf with the family. Does it get any better?

nailingit — March 1, 2014 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 1, 2014 at 11:38 a.m.,

I went to the Expo Center for the antique show today (almost entirely overpriced crap, by the way), passing under the railroad overpass around 0830. There was a coal train on it. I was on Columbia Blvd in P'Town yesterday, and passed a train with a few white tank cars (which I've always thought were used for hauling acids). Head up OR30 to Linntown and check out the natural gas storage tanks, and the rail cars on the tracks next to them - those cars will head this way. And if you see one of the trains with several black tank cars coming in along SR14 from the east, you can bet they're hauling crude from Bakken.I see them all the time on my trips up I5 - I'm wondering if they're planning or have something at Port of Kalama, because there are often tanker cars parked there.

And my point with that little narrative is that Barry Cain better wise up - his little talk on perceptions will do nothing to stop rail cars from passing by that development site - either he's deliberately feeding into the fear frenzy, or he's building up to bailing on the project.

I saw a small poster for a Blind Faith show and stopped to check it out - it was from the one in Santa Barbara in August 1969. The lower left corner was torn off, but the rest looked pretty good, and I figured I could frame it. I asked how much, figuring he'd say about $50 and I'd counter with $25. He wanted $900!!! Claimed because it was in Santa Barbara the value was high. And from talking, he had no clue why the group existed - just knew Clapton and some other guys were in it. I walked, and just checked it out on line. The same thing (first run printing) is going for a bit over $100 on eBay, and it only has a very small tear. I figure my $25 was about right. ANYHOW, most of what I saw that I know a little about was similarly way overpriced.

roger — March 1, 2014 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 1, 2014 at 11:22 a.m.,

Czechoslovakia is probably a good comparison, I doubt Vitali Klitschko has the skill to organize the opposition in Ukraine any more than Dubcek had then. From what I'm reading, they're pretty helpless in the face of the Russians. So far, they're staying pretty much in the eastern, pro-Russian area of Crimea and the mainland.

Too bad Kltschko can't get to Putin and play on his ego - a winner take all streetfight. Putin has his judo, but Vitali has knockout power with either hand - one blow and old Vlad becomes KO number 42 of his career. And he was a pretty good kickboxer before going to boxing.

roger — March 1, 2014 at 1:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

(Anyone ever ask Dave where he gets his news from?)

nailingit — March 1, 2014 at 10:29 a.m.

And some of the people commenting on the article are just as smart!

Hawkman — March 1, 2014 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So here we are, PDT going to PST in another week. That will last until November. Is there any reason to keep putting ourselves through this for four months? Seems to me if the President wants to sign another Executive Order, he could make it "daylight" time all year.

Hawkman — March 1, 2014 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

About the proposed large military budget cuts. I’ve got mixed feelings about the whole thing. The most obvious benefits of upfront cost reductions are obvious. The longer term costs - less so. Something Leftists are always harping about. I.E. spend more now on government provided health care, education, welfare in all forms – to save later, down the road. ‘Course, one big difference is that federal government provision for national defense is specified by the US. Constitution, whereas providing for individuals personal welfare is not, other than a liberal interpretation of the General Welfare clause. There are also other questionable assertions.

I’ve linked to this before, well worth another look. Thanks for your insight on this, Democrat Zell Miller:


This one’s for you Frobert:

kn_dalai — March 1, 2014 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

One might ask what God exists who could cause an admiration for George Bush. :) You have to appreciate what measures extremists use attempting to.. make a point I guess?

Zell has an emotional late in life encounter with the God of Dubya.

-A rare word from Zell Miller: ‘I had a late life conversion’-

It is tempting to write that Miller, one of the most confrontational politicians ever to haunt the Capitol, has mellowed. And it is true that Miller is interested in rebuilding some of those bridges that have been burned over the years.

But it would be more accurate to say that Miller has turned inward. At times, he is his own harshest critic. Take that 2004 televised confrontation with Matthews.

“That was terrible. I embarrassed myself. I’d rather it had not happened,” Miller said. “But Chris Matthews is not one of my favorite people.”

For those who have tracked Miller’s career, one of the greatest unanswered questions has been the source of his last rightward turn. What sparked not only his admiration for President Bush, but turned him into a strict opponent of abortion and a harsh critic of this nation’s social mores?

Religion, Miller said. “I had a conversion. I had a late life conversion. I changed my views on several things. This had to do with my son going blind, and me having to carry him to the doctor with his hand on my shoulder,” Miller said. This was in the early 2000s. His son, Matt, had been a lifelong diabetic.

“I prayed and prayed that they could do something about his sight,” Miller said. The prayers seemed to work. “He can see pretty good out of one eye right now.”

But a bargain struck with God often transforms the petitioner more than the object of any plea. “I changed on a lot of things. Not just abortion, but my whole life in general. I was a pretty rough character in my younger days. I needed to change,” Miller said.

nailingit — March 1, 2014 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now that the CRC is on the brink of permanent burial, Madore has amped up his campaign for the East Coast bridge without any solid government backing from WA or OR.

A gander at his recent FB post (edited further in the wee hours this morning) shows that he has paid for a design out of his own pocket (Kevin Peterson), lined up a builder (Figg Engineering?) and promises we will be driving on it in 5 years. All this without public and government input, environmental and archaeological studies. He claims the public ordered him to do this with the November "advisory" vote.

Get 'er done, Dave! Get 'er done!

Madore reports that he is starting "small", meeting on his own with local city officials. Then he will move up the power chain.

Good luck with that, Dave.

Honestly, this guy, like his pal Benton, insults every entity and official that holds real power and he expects them to forget that when he comes begging for their green light? Like Benton, he is going to get slapped down hard no matter what the merits of the proposal? Why? Because the Masters of the Transportation Universe would rather paddle canoes across the Columbian than give Madore one tiny crumb.

Like Tiffany Couch, any business person who aligns themselves with this guy and his schemes may face monetary and credibility backlash. Politics works that way, fair or not.

I cannot bring myself to link to his propaganda anymore. You'll have to have fun doing it.

I realize my prediction could be wrong. Just my opinion on my favorite politician.

Why am I thinking, Ozymandias?

manthou — March 2, 2014 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

On keeping the fires of Bakken Crude trains fanned (eh?!), thought this article was fairly balanced.

Then, there's this...

jacjak — March 2, 2014 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 2, 2014 at 8:04 a.m.

OK. Now I have a question or two about Davy's quest. I know he interpreted the "advisory vote" to mean it was a mandate from his god but did he say how it was all going to be paid for? I'm pretty sure there were supposed to be no tolls, so how does this all happen? A few months ago he was over in Gresham asking permission to build his bridge and they said, "yes, please do". Or at least the one person that he spoke to said it might be a good idea. I'm not sure the rest of the city or the council knows anything about it but that never stopped Dave, as far as he knows, he has EVERYONE'S approval.

Hawkman — March 2, 2014 at 9:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk: I read that the real power brokers in Gresham have not been consulted. This is just Madore's wishful thinking propaganda: if I say it often, write it enough, it will happen.

Now there is some mojo in that Dream Board technique: order up your heart's desire to the Universe, focus on it daily, and it will reward you with YES and even more abundance than you ever imagined. Maybe Madore is on to something. :)

Who's gonna pay? Well, some taxpayers, for sure.

There are so many hurdles to jump and so many powerful people who dislike Madore and his politics, it is a long shot. But that does not stop him from spending time and his own bucks on the plan. This could go on for years and years……….
jacjak: Thanks for the articles. I will get to them today.

manthou — March 2, 2014 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Happy rainy Sunday all. I need to rant a bit. Leaving the local scene, going national.
This mess in the Ukraine. Putin on warpath. Sp we condemn it loudly. Now the GOP mouthpieces call Obama weak. Let me ask you this. What are we supposed to do? Invade? Start a war?

What exactly do these people expect and what do they want? Do they really want a third front? Seriously, what exactly are we supposed to do? IS this another ploy for the war machine to make more money? Are we supposed to police the world again? Aren't these the same people who bitch about if we give foreign aid?

Do I like what is happening? No. Do I worry? Yes. Do I think Putin has a little mental issue? Yep. Do I think we need to start more crap? Nope.

So what is Obama supposed to do? Someone explain to me, please.

I said I am in need of a rant. There you go.

luvithere — March 2, 2014 at 1:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And Manthou. As far as the east side bridge goes. I am in favor of one. a. I live in the east. b. the east is growing. c. for such a large metro area, we need more than two bridges.

Having said all that, I do not think we see a bridge in the east in my life time. And the way that man is going about it. Me thinks he wants to be immortal. The Davy Madore Love bridge.

luvithere — March 2, 2014 at 1:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: I understand. I want a West side bridge that gets me to US 26 West real quick! Sharon Nasset's favorite plan. :)

We'll have multiple bridges eventually, but, like you said, maybe not in our lifetimes. Madore will have to learn that you cannot force political alliances through FB scolding and shaming, just like his pal Benton needs to learn. Might be too late for both of them.

manthou — March 2, 2014 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 2, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.

Well, there is really not a lot we can do. I understand that Kerry is on his way to make an appearance in Kiev so that's something. Not much, but it is something. This is going to be another big "wait and see" situation. The heat isn't going to come from the U.S. alone, it's going to be from the rest of the world as well and it isn't going to be by physical force, it will be economic.

Hawkman — March 2, 2014 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — March 2, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.
That's exactly right, Hawk. And that's why I am so frustrated with the Repugs yelling already about action.

luvithere — March 2, 2014 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The heat isn't going to come from the U.S. alone, it's going to be from the rest of the world as well and it isn't going to be by physical force, it will be economic.

Hawkman — March 2, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.

Europe is even now expressing criticism and outrage as they are much closer to the specter of Russia's 20th century history than the rest of the world. However, they also get much of their natural gas and heating oil from Russia, they will verbally posture, but no idea how they can do much else. But they're own history had them flooded in a deluge of lost and damaged cities with a dazed populace suffering from PTSD from two global wars. They mostly want to not deal on a world stage. Or maybe I'm thinking as a global citizen and not as one of it's leaders.

The same can not be said for America when we 'posture'. We do have our hawks, and they have little compunction of sending our children into the 'Fires of Moleck', that old Semitic god of war. Those willing to talk tough always, always intend for someone other than themselves to do the actual tough stuff they themselves have put into action. For profit and for glory. And, for some of them, this is just another opportunity to rant and harangue this President.

jacjak — March 2, 2014 at 4:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 2, 2014 at 4:27 p.m.
Well, you summed it up nicely there, jacjak.
Profit and glory. For themselves. The rest, who cares. And another opportunity to hammer Obama.

Time for cooler heads and heads closer to the situation. As you said, Europe is done with war for a while. (Of course, given my overall low opinion of humans, who knows. testosterone rules too much)

luvithere — March 2, 2014 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It's not only important to consider history, but attempt to understand Putin's mindset given his past actions and words in order to take a productive course of action. Much to be analyzed/scrutinized for sure, and don't envy Obama having this on his plate!

Hawkman is right. Not a lot we can do right now. Let Comrade Putin trip over his shoelaces. And of course-it would be unfortunate if anything were to happen to Vladimir...

You guys read about the terrorist- weapons of sharp destruction attack in China? Crazy. Talk about murder & mayhem. Anyway-

Someone I respect for their political acumen on foreign affairs is David Ignatius. I always learn something from him.

-Putin’s error in Ukraine is the kind that leads to catastrophe-

By David Ignatius, Sunday, March 2, 2:11 PM

Napoleon is said to have cautioned during an 1805 battle: “When the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.” The citation is also sometimes rendered as “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Whatever the precise wording, the admonition is a useful starting point for thinking about the Ukraine situation.

Vladimir Putin has made a mistake invading Crimea, escalating a crisis for Russia that has been brewing for many months. It might have been beneficial if President Obama could have dissuaded him from this error. But Putin’s move into Crimea appeared to spring from a deeper misjudgment about the reversibility of the process that led to the breakup of Soviet Union in 1991. The further Russia wades into this revanchist strategy, the worse its troubles will become.

The Russian leader’s nostalgia for the past was on display at the Sochi Olympics. As David Remnick wrote last week in the New Yorker, Putin regards the fall of the Soviet Union as a “tragic error,” and the Olympics celebrated his vision that a strong Russia is back. That attitude led Putin to what Secretary of State John Kerry described on Sunday as a “brazen act of aggression” and a “violation of international obligations.”

Kerry called on Putin to “undo this act of invasion.” The Russian leader would save himself immense grief by following Kerry’s advice, but that seems unlikely. His mistake in Sevastopol may lead to others elsewhere, though hopefully Putin will avoid reckless actions. But the more Putin seeks to assert Russia’s strength, he will actually underline its weakness.

Perhaps inevitably, given Washington’s political monomania, the big subject over the weekend wasn’t Putin’s criminal attack on Crimea but whether Obama had encouraged it by being insufficiently muscular. There are many valid criticisms to be made of Obama’s foreign policy, especially in Syria, but the notion that Putin’s attack is somehow the United States’ fault is perverse.

nailingit — March 2, 2014 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For two months the Obama administration has been prodding the European Union to take the Ukraine crisis more seriously. I’m told that U.S. reporting showed that Putin was impatient with Ukraine’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, and wanted him to crack down even harder on the protesters in Kiev’s Maidan Square. Putin’s distaste for Yanukovych has been obvious since he fled the capital a week ago.

What Putin misunderstands most is that the center of gravity for the former Soviet Union has shifted west. Former Soviet satellites such as Poland and the Czech Republic are prosperous members of the E.U. The nations that made up what was once Yugoslavia have survived their bloody breakup, and most have emerged as strong democracies. Ukraine was set to join this movement toward the European Union last November when Yanukovych suddenly suspended trade and financial talks with the E.U. and accepted what amounted to a $15 billion bribe from Putin to stay in Russia’s camp. To the tens of thousands of courageous Ukrainians who braved the cold and police brutality to protest, Yanukovych’s submission to Moscow looked like an attempt to reverse history.

The opportunity for Putin is almost precisely opposite his atavistic vision of restoration. It is only by moving west, toward Europe, that Russia itself can reverse its demographic and political trap. Year by year, the Russian political system becomes more of a corrupt Oriental despotism — with Moscow closer to Almaty than Berlin. The alternative is for Ukraine to pull Russia with it toward the West.

As former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski explained in a 2008 book, “If Ukraine moves to the West, first to the EU and eventually to NATO, the probability that Russia will move toward Europe is far greater. . . . Russians will eventually say, ‘Our future will be safest, our control over the Far East territories most assured . . . if there is a kind of Atlantic community that stretches from Lisbon to Vladivostok.’ ”

Putin’s Russia may well make more mistakes: We may see a cascading chain of error that brings Russian troops deeper into Ukraine and sets the stage for civil war. Those are the kind of miscalculations that lead to catastrophic consequences, and Obama would be wise to seek to deter Russian aggression without specifying too clearly what the U.S. ladder of escalation might be.

But Americans and Europeans should agree that this is a story about Putin’s violation of the international order. I’d be happy if we could interrupt Russia’s mistakes, but so far Putin insists on doing the wrong thing.

nailingit — March 2, 2014 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Le chemin de moindre résistance!

Sounds like the easiest takeover since Baghdad. Greeted as liberators? :)

Is Putin Dubya 2.0?

Interesting read.

“Now we feel safe and patriotic that the Russian soldiers are here for us,” said a man from a nearby village who gave his name as Vladi­mir.

Asked about the Ukrainian soldiers inside the base, Vladimir said: “They should go home. They’re not going to fight. It’s over.”

The loyalties — and the command and control — of the Ukrainian military in Crimea are unknown.

Russian media said Ukrainian troops were not putting up any resistance. Ukraine’s new interior minister, Arsen Avakov, denied reports of mass resignations from the Ukrainian army in Crimea.

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