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Seems like I'm up an hour earlier. Hmmmm

Hawkman — March 10, 2014 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

-Just How Much The War On Drugs Impacts Our Overcrowded Prisons, In One Chart-

nailingit — March 10, 2014 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The "Home of the Free" makes up about 5% of the world's population, but houses around 25% of all those incarcerated (worldwide).

Drift — March 10, 2014 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Don't get me started on the US incarceration rate, Drift. :)
The CA earthquake last night: I am on the Oregon coast right now and experienced extreme and unexplained vertigo at about the time it struck last night, which was over quickly. Maybe it is a coincidence, but vertigo is a rare occurrence with me. That's your yawn of the day gift from me. :)
How about Vancouver creating its own Transportation Benefit District, as allowed by WA state law? Seattle did it in 2011. Kalama did it. King County is in the process of doing it now, inspired by the funding inertia in Olympia. Any thoughts?

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.

It could be your liberal mind is tuned in to the Agarthian collective. Whenever one of their BIO Units implode, or one of their defense mechanisms trigger do to earthquakes or cavity explosions, I have this same sensation.

And yes, last night was intense. At the time I wasn't sure if it was another Agarthian mishap or the devil's lettuce.

_ < > _

Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the United States Navy flew to the North Pole in 1926 and over the South Pole in 1929. he referred to Antarctica as "The Land of Everlasting Mystery". In reference to the North Pole he wrote: "I'd like to see that land beyond the North Pole, it is the Center of the Great Unknown."

• In his diary, Byrd allegedly tells of entering the hollow interior of the earth, along with others and traveling 17 miles over mountains, lakes, rivers, green vegetation, and animal life. He tells of seeing tremendous animals resembling the mammoths of antiquity moving through the brush. He eventually found cities and a thriving civilization. The external temperature was 74 degrees F. His airplane was greeted by flying machines of a type he had never seen before. They escorted him to a safe landing area where he was graciously greeted by emissaries from Agartha. After resting, he and his crew, were taken to meet the king and queen of Agartha. They told him that he had been allowed to enter Agartha because of his high moral and ethical character. They went on to say that they worried about the safety of planet due to he bombs and other testing done above the surface by governments. After the visit Byrd and his crew were guided back to the surface of the planet.

Byrd stated that the North and South Poles are only two of many openings into the center of the Earth. He also wrote about seeing a sun below the Earth.

  Live Science - April 16, 2013

nailingit — March 10, 2014 at 11:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: LOL. Well, I never heard of the Agarthians, so thank you for that new information. I have, however, recently learned about the underground Lemurian residents in the city of Telos under Mt. Shasta during a visit there. :)

Admiral Byrd, eh? I am going to look into that.

So the cache of interesting internet information says that some people, indeed, experience physical symptoms like ear tones and dizziness before an earthquake, like animals do. Something about the expansion and distortion of crystals in the earth and magnetic field energy hoo ha.

Perhaps I felt a disturbance in The Force. :)

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hillary's wars.. They are from her pre Public Polictics rea and during them.They are more about how she has lived her life prior to since getting into the public eye and since.. Many have suggested she has "gotten rid" of several people who were out to well let the cat out of the bag.. The Rose law firm escapades of the late 80's and 90's.. Do we think for a minute the White house during that time didn't take care of people who might have spilled the beans on the Clinton's.. This is the dark side of the Clinton's, both Bill and Hillary... Very powerful people.. She has also been involved in some of the muddiest events of the past 5 years .. Her hands are not that clean... Can't we find someone better, either Dem, Rep or a woman... Time to clean the White House..

As far as age, she would be the 2nd oldest to hold the office if elected. Many thought Ronnie was too old especially during 2nd term... Why is there an age minimum of 35.. Some would think that is age discrimination in reverse....Don't know that Rush guy, I thought that was a band... LOL...OBTW many Dems made McCain's age an issue as well, guess it comes with the territory of getting older...

vanwadreamer — March 10, 2014 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — March 10, 2014 at 12:09 p.m

"Many have suggested", "Do we think for a minute", "Her hands are not that clean".

Lots of supposition there. Any proof, real proof not some crap dug up from some right wing blogger ?

You can get back to me on that if you like. I don't vote on innuendo. Do you?

Hawkman — March 10, 2014 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The 'dark side' of the Clintons, in my opinion, was the over $70,000,000 of taxpayer dollars spent on a complete and total witch hunt by Kenneth Starr on Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, and any other gate he could dream up. Three seperate investigations and Starr turned up Nada. Tripp / Lewinsky, and the blue dress that had been preserved with great care for 3 full years for just such a propitious ocassion, was handed to Starr by Tripp.

jacjak — March 10, 2014 at 4:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 12:02 p.m.

DRAT! Upstaged by the dreaded Lumurian"s once again!


Hawkman/JJ- If this is the Right's plan of attack they have learned nothing. Rand Paul has already been drumming up the Lewinsky scandal. This is a party void of leadership, new ideas or productive solutions.


"Many have suggested she has "gotten rid" of several people who were out to well let the cat out of the bag.."

vanwadreamer — March 10, 2014 at 12:09 p.m.

(This is the problem with having a Fox news network in a free society.)

vanwa- Vince Foster lives! Issa is getting an exhumation order as we speak. "Many" have suggested Vince has risen from the dead and has become Obama's Pimp Czar, providing Obama and his family crack cocaine, baggy clothes and keggers of Colt 45.

You are riding the right wing media train to Hell.

And down the tracks to another big disappointment in 2016.

nailingit — March 10, 2014 at 5:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:53 a.m. -- "How about Vancouver creating its own Transportation Benefit District, as allowed by WA state law?"

Last summer I asked if this was an option for funding light rail - Jack Burkman said that we had way too many other areas that need work and that he didn't consider light rail a good use of this funding.

I read somewhere that King County was facing a legal challenge with attempting to set up a TBD, because Seattle, Burien, and I forget who else already have one - voters have to approve anything over $20/year, and this was seen as a possible end around to get more from some people. I guess I'll have to go back and see how that's panning out. Also, last I read, King County was shooting for $60/year, which would require the vote anyhow.

Vancouver would almost have to work with Clark County (at least, I would think this to be true) to establish a larger benefit district. There would be way too much confusion over who would have to pay that fee otherwise - a whole lot of people in unincorporated County have Vancouver as their address, thanks to the USPS.

A couple of links. The second is to the RCW, which is written with the usual confusing verbiage and separation of rules for Seattle and for everyone else. But the way I read it, to establish a TBD, they'll have to indicate a particular project - though how wide that can be is unclear.

And do I need to mention the firestorm that creating a TBD for public transportation will stir up, considering that vehicle drivers will be the only ones paying the bill? Maybe that can be our next local pissing contest after Tesoro is settled.

roger — March 10, 2014 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Thanks for those links. I'll get to 'em tonight.

Vancouver City Council will be exploring the pros and cons of a TBD at their retreat, I am told. I also was told that this has been an on-going discussion for a few years.

With the CRC wounds still healing (those scars are going to be ugly), I don't think they want to run this up the flagpole right away to see if voters will salute.

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pathetic. The APIL quiz respondents are almost all Alishia Toppers. One Leavitt, one Stuart and one for Ann Rivers (that last is sniveling about not being a Repub, while all the Alishias are giving that condescending "Right, pal" look.)

Well, at least the Leavitt and the Rivers backers can lay claim to being able to make a decision - the rest are holding hands, singing Kumbaya, and asking "Can't we all just get along?" (OK - a liberal interpretation of "Let's get to Yes.") (Liberal being used with its literal and not political meaning.)

roger — March 10, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 10, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.

Fortunately, your Agarthians have a credible source to back up their hollow earth theory.

roger — March 10, 2014 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 6:31 p.m.

Sort of makes one wonder how many times Alishia Topper's been married.

jacjak — March 10, 2014 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 10, 2014 at 4:12 p.m.

A pretty good synopsis of Whitewater. True that nothing was ever proven, despite the various efforts by L.Jean Lewis (the RTC investigator), David Hale, and Kenneth Starr.

But there was a LOT of stuff over time that was a bit curious. Susan McDougal taking an 18 month jail sentence for refusing to testify, and subsequently being pardoned, certainly lent a lot of credibility to to the anti-Clinton crowd. And what were the missing Rose Law Firm billing records doing in the White House?

roger — March 10, 2014 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 10, 2014 at 7 p.m.

Ouch! How about we settle for cloned? I'd hate to be responsible for helping start a comparison between Alishia and Shakespeare's Katherine of Padua.
"I am agreed, and would I had given him the best horse in Padua to begin his wooing that would thoroughly woo her, wed her, and bed her, and rid the house of her.”

roger — March 10, 2014 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For your after dinner entertainment pleasure:

KOIN News interviews Madore and reports that he has partnered up with Don Benton (big surprise) to get 'er dun in East County. He claims that the bridge is designed already by an architect and that a national bridge builder is on board:

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 7:55 p.m.

Seems all that's left is what to call it.

MaBen, Dorton, DaveDon, Matom, Benore, I've got it!!!

My favorite.............. DoDa!

Hawkman — March 10, 2014 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk: I fed both their names into an anagram generator:

"Innovate Drab Odd Demon"
"Odd Drab Demon: Innovate"
"Innovate Odd: Drab Demon"

You get the picture…..

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Good news. How did I miss this?

I understand that some restaurant workers (remember Typhoon?) and nail salon workers have their passports confiscated by slaver owners who force them to work for a pittance.

Not to mention my favorite: unlicensed Asian massage.

I have to find out who sponsored these bills, heading for the governor's signature.

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:56 p.m.

Maybe that's why the "massage" place in the mall had only one person working yesterday, and it was a guy. Hmmmmm

Hawkman — March 11, 2014 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman: I don't know about the mall business to which you refer.

The unlicensed "massage" businesses usually operate out of homes in mixed use zoned neighborhoods, strip malls on Hwy 99, Mill Plain, or 4th Plain, 164th (yes, even out in pristine East County and Camas).

If they are listed on rubmaps dot com, they are performing off-menu sexual services for tips.

The Asian nail salons don't offer sex, of course, but they often work for tips only (maybe), endure long hours with no days off, and are sometimes coerced or working off debts to the owner.

The Typhoon! restaurant chain was investigated heavily by Bureau of Labor and Industries for human trafficking and closed all operations in 2012:

manthou — March 11, 2014 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — March 10, 2014 at 8:49 p.m.
manthou — March 10, 2014 at 9:24 p.m

Based on American innate desire to abbreviate just about everything, the bridge name would be rapidly be shortened to Odd Drab Demon, or Drab Demon, or maybe just Odd or Drab. Innovate will get tossed right off the bat...too many syllables. Or maybe it'll all go by acronym... Dido, Dodi, Oddi, Iddo. Iddo is a name in the bible, so there's also connection and intent that could be factored.

jacjak — March 11, 2014 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak @ 10:40 am: Amen. :)
Mielke and Madore are over the top today, rationalizing Don Benton. How they can equate taxpayers demanding answers with character assassination is beyond me. I have asked reasonable and respectful questions and been dubbed a "hater" for it.

This stuff has a chilling effect on some citizen comments, but it motivates me.

Madore equates Benton with a pecked-to-death chicken. Longsuffering.

Really? He is the chicken hawk.

manthou — March 11, 2014 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 10:45

Perhaps Madore just does not get what every farmer in the world who has chickens already knows.... chickens peck a weak or diseased chicken... not because they are mean or 'haters' but because they do not want diseased or weakened broods. Survival of the fittest is not just an evolutionary phrase, it is a process of nature, tho I do think chickens are birds, and birds are just tiny dinosaurs.

Is Benton some sort of chicken hawk? Only if the political phrase encompasses self serving along with supporting wars while avoiding military service. Taking an actual stand on a real event would most likely push him far out of his normal comfort zone of self promotion and enhancement.

jacjak — March 11, 2014 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 10, 2014 at 7:55 p.m

Butt, how are they going to pay for it without tolls?

Hawkman — March 11, 2014 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk: Ya got me. Madore qualified his optimism today at the BOCC hearing and Stuart pointed it out. Madore said something like the bridge will be built IF (emphasis on IF now) everyone can work together. Whatever that means. Stuart teased him: oh, so you're qualifying it now.

Stuart also pulled Mielke up short when Mielke started to quote that oft-quoted letter to the editor written by the woman in West Linn. The points she used in her letter were the same wording Benton used in his own promo piece. Also, Stuart said that this woman's husband was given $1000 as a consultant to come to Clark County and "help" the DES folks learn to get along with Benton. He promised that he was looking into that conflict-of-interest. Hope he hurries.

Stuart was on a roll today, probably because he knows it is his last week here.

When the risk pool drops Clark County, the money will really be flying out of our pockets.

manthou — March 11, 2014 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

How about the 'KingCon County Bridge'. I wonder if Madore will say the hell with everybody and just start building something and hope for the best. After all, if a third bridge is God's will, then God might ask David to act on faith. Start building his bridge in the middle and work his way out, declaring some type of God given eminent domain when he reaches the shores and brandishing a 2nd Amendment printout in his shirt pocket.

And if this is truly God's will then the bridge will be completely funded through private donations. We know God hates government, taxes and tolls.

If David gets a new bridge paid for, and successfully coordinates with both sides logistically and politically and gets it done, regardless of location, then he truly can walk on water.

nailingit — March 11, 2014 at 10:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gary Spanovich was paid $1000 on 1/3/2014 for consultative services (speaking?) to the Department of Environmental Services. Who brought him in and why? What was the nature of his consultation.

He is married to Nancy Olmsted, the woman who wrote two glowing letters to the editor (one in the C, the other in the R) about the skills and accomplishments of Don Benton. Much of the text in both letters appears to be identical to a Benton' self-promotion piece, word for word. Olmsted lives in Clackamas County, with her husband.

Don Benton and Gary Spanovich, Olmsted's hubby, have ties to Concordia University.

Craig Brown: Please take Tyler Graf off everything else and let him have at Clark County. Don't forget the multi-thousand dollar security system Benton asked for and received, simply because he is a "get 'er dun kinda guy (Madore's measuring tool)." Put Benton's "accomplishments" he drags out so often to the truth test.

Tyler Graf: you are earning your ticket to bigger media outlets with the work you do here. What a gift. You never knew…….

manthou — March 12, 2014 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 12, 2014 at 9:32 a.m.

If I was a County employee and they hired someone to come in and explain to me how my new boss was a great guy, I'd be looking for a new job. If he needs someone to smooth over his hiring and help with the transition, sounds to me he's not going to be a "people person". Sounds like he's going to be hard to deal with and totally unreachable if there is a problem. Not a "hands on" kind of guy. Not someone I would want to work FOR! (As opposed to WITH)

Seriously, do they do that for other Managers? Or are we talking "special needs" here?

Hawkman — March 12, 2014 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Between walking the riverfront walk by Beaches and working in the yard, did a bit of checking today on Gary Spanovich and Nancy Olmsted. Nothing untoward, and lots of positives. She is active with District 5100...looks like a Rotary chapter, and tho I did not track it, the pictures on the Rotary page included Vancouver, and outlying communities of metro pdx. His Wholistic Peace Institute actions range from bringing Nobel Peace prize recipients to Portland area colleges as speakers, to fundraising for Tibetian refugees, to bringing peace to the world through bicycle transportation vs other types of travel. Pretty interesting reading actually, and seem genuine. He has a lot of speaking engagements from collages to govenors to South Koreans. Not sure how a speaking engagement would be justified on Clark County's books, but Spanovich's point seems fairly straigh forward...embrace ways of peace. They got married in 2012 right here in Clark Co. even tho they are residents of Oregon. Maybe we're the new Reno....

Perhaps this woman is writing letters because, as peacemakers, they saw Benton on his best behavior and so were trying to calm the waters. Not sure. The letters are the only curious thing. Maybe they just genuinely like him. And, being always the opportunist, he did what he does best...schmooze.

jacjak — March 12, 2014 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 12, 2014 at 7:26 p.m.

RE: Your second post about Concordia and their agreement with the Chinese and North Korean universities. I couldn't find a date - Do you know when that happened? I'm kind of curious about how this is even possible with a college out of North Korea, given everything else we're told about that country. I did a little checking on their president - his full name is Dr. James Chin-Kyung Kim. Seems he signed a very similar agreement with another small private college back in 2010 - Campbellsville University in Kentucky.

From the following link -
"Kim’s presentation to the groups of YUST students, CU students and leaders included information about his universities which have 300 faculty and staff from all over the world and over 2,300 graduates in their 12-year history. He added that in addition to higher education, his institutions have projects for feeding and caring for orphaned children from North Korea where “23,000 North Korean children need food clothing, shelter, faith, hope and love.”

roger — March 13, 2014 at 5:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak: I appreciate your positive reframe on Olmsted's letter.

For me, it is not about her character or her husband's or their business.

Writing two glowing letters right after your spouse received CC consulting compensation (hired by Benton, I suspect), discounts the power of her words for me. Although the amount of compensation is relatively small ($1000), a case could be made that Olmsted and Spanovich benefitted from a business relationship thanks to Don Benton and then, voila! Here comes two letters.

This is the kind of background data that will be gold to Anita Largent's attorney when he cross examines defense witnesses. Will Olmsted be one of them?

The Commissioners are making a habit of mastering the art of the "ethically gray." It is not unnoticed by others and will cost them CC's spot in the insurance risk pool next.

More money out of your pocket and mine. Not OK with me.

manthou — March 13, 2014 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

More Madore-in-a-nutshell:

His latest FB post is a long-winded personal interpretation of the differences between city and county governments defined in the WA State Constitution.

Madore is a constitutional scholar now.

One of his followers posted this reply:

"Thanks, David, for rising above the detail to look at the big picture, and for training us, a spoonful of knowledge at a time. I had not realized this distinction, and it's good to know."

The image this conjures up: Daddy Madore spoon feeding his dependent and infantile constituents the right amount of nourishing information he believes they need: says it all. It is the role he has created for himself, the image he loves the most. Anyone who challenges it or asks for more or expresses their own thoughts: its time for a corrective spanking.

I don't want to focus on this guy and his pal Mielke, but they keep handing us such rich material which absolutely cannot be ignored. It cannot be normalized, no matter how you examine it.

It is creepy.

By the way, neither Madore or Mielke bothered to show up at the state of the city address in Vancouver yesterday. Make of it what you will.

manthou — March 13, 2014 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It just occurred to me: Madore's emphasis on his latest FB tome (he is still posting replies to mildly critical comments there) that city councils are part time and implication that they don't do the same important work as full time county commissioners do:

It's his way of riling up the North and East Clark County masses as the Freeholders prepare for two future meetings on the road in Battle Ground and Camas.

He is making a case that you cannot do the work of the county as a part-time commissioner, something he has already said often. Adding two more commissioners would cut his salary considerably, too.

Maybe he won't run for a second term, but will shoot for the state or federal level next. In the meantime, he'll spin the WA State Constitution to worry his dependent followers and plant the seeds of misinformation and suspicion against the new Charter before it makes it to our ballots.

manthou — March 13, 2014 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 13, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.

Oh PLEASE!!! Let him run for Benton's job and spend all his money to get elected only to fail miserably and lose by 300 votes and then spend into the red on re-counts after re-counts, lose all his money, the business, and his dreams of running the whole state.

One can only dream..........

Hawkman — March 13, 2014 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Temple Lentz says she will seek Steve Stuart's commissioner post.
I'd love to see her spar with those M and M guys. I'd pay for the spectacle.

Stuart was quite giddy/silly at Board Time Wednesday, bordering on the manic. He mist have known he had the Ridgefield job.

manthou — March 13, 2014 at 9:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 13, 2014 at 9:09 p.m.

I'd pay to see that myself!

Hawkman — March 13, 2014 at 10:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So who’s Justin Runquist?

So Stuart gets tapped for the cushy Ridgefield job. Gee Whiz. Who’d of thunk. And you Leftists, who like of think of yourselves as thoughtful, are all over yourselves in…delight.

There’s nothing but five of you Leftists left here. Big surprise. And you go around thinking you have some big new way of looking at things. Good God. You’re nothing but a caucus of five Democrats with socialist ideas that go back a few hundred years, at least.

And Roger, it isn’t about a short term for the new commissioner appointment. It’s about setting up an incumbent for the November election. Should be interesting.

Manthou, I also look forward to T. Lentz debating. Unfortunatley, she may sound good; but paper and pencil thinking smart ass; can get one only so far. Maybe too far. This little girl may impress some, but she hasn’t a clue about running a business, and her experience is on a par with all of the urban back seat drivers who comprehend nothing of the nature of personal liberty. I once read a theory, that ancient Greece eventually collapsed because the use of rhetoric, became more influential, than the facts of living.

kn_dalai — March 13, 2014 at 10:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — March 13, 2014 at 10:26 p.m.

So, are your M&M; buddies as nervous about Ms. Lentz as you are? Of course they are. A strong, smart, witty woman, none of you would know how to deal with that. Ohhhhh, scary.

Hawkman — March 13, 2014 at 10:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, the County isn't a "business" and shouldn't be run like one. Madore is finding that out.

Hawkman — March 13, 2014 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

When checking RCW, I missed the part about that person having to come from the same party (but it would make sense, seeing as how it's a partisan office). I wonder what the timeline is for appointing Stuart's replacement? That could be a looong drawn out process (if no time restriction) - having to debate the relative merits of each potential, etc, etc. (High up on the qualifications list will be willingness to lead the opening prayer.) Could we see the first real "disagreement" between Madore and Mielke?

roger — March 14, 2014 at 5:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I really don't see a Dem in District 3 who could make an impact on the Board who isn't already preoccupied elsewhere.

I'm also a bit underwhelmed by Temple Lentz. Watching the Freeholder meetings, I see her usual performance to be an inability to put her thoughts into a coherent statement - a bit of rambling, a nervous laugh or two, and then she'll finally say something and throw herself back in her seat. (Watch the 8 March meeting, and watch Jim Moeller's nonverbals when Temple is speaking - it's as though he's drawing back to distance himself.)

Maybe Jolatta (sp?) - she seems sure of herself. But would M&M; appoint her?

If I was the Dems, I'd offer up Jim Mains and Sunrise Mahoney. Both are VERY green and untested, but seem to show an ability to "see the picture." And with all the talk about needing new fresh ideas - why not? Might as well toss one in with the sharks and see if they can survive the process. Toughen him/her up for future battles.

roger — March 14, 2014 at 5:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, here's a thought.... Maybe Moeller can fill the spot. If Benton can have two jobs, why can't Jim? I mean, it's only "part time" isn't it?

Hawkman — March 14, 2014 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So, SB 5887, to regulate medical cannabis similarly to the recreational variety, died.

Bill proponents were trotting people out who claimed to be involved with it, but were supporting some sort of regulation due to the Feds "having problems" with the unregulated medical side. It appeared the issue of collectives, and how much could be grown in one, became the sticking point.

I'm curious. How long has WA allowed medical marijuana and the collectives? How many times have the Feds moved against them in the past?

Coupled with the decision that pot farms are not eligible for agriculture tax breaks, I'm getting a pretty strong message from our State Legislature. That message is that they really don't approve of legalizing the stuff, but they have to go along with what we voted in. So instead, they intend to tax the hell out of people who grow and buy it. And you medical users need to get in line and pay up too.

They can throw CO legal sales out there all they want - I still see this approach by our Legislature as one of going to have the effect of reinforcing the illegal trade. I just can't fathom the idea that people will willingly pay nearly twice the price, for an expensive product to begin with, just to be able to say they're legal (in the eyes of the State only). Especially since so many have been buying on the illegal market with relative impunity for years.

But what do I know. I've got better things to waste my disposable income on. Just recently tracked down a Very Good copy of Vaughn Bode's Deadbone (The First Testament of Cheech Wizard, The Cartoon Messiah) for about $100 less than someone down in P'Town wanted for one in similar condition.

roger — March 14, 2014 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk - Not a bad idea, but that would be his fourth job. Remember, he's also a Freeholder and works for one of the medical operations in town. Still, in this day of paying minimum wage for part time jobs, the idea isn't unreasonable.

roger — March 14, 2014 at 6:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I once read a theory, that Clark County conservatism eventually collapsed because the usage of multiple pseudonyms in numerous local publications, by one rufusknd, brought public awareness to the 'go any lengths' crowd and dissuaded public opinion.

I'm also reading that 'rufus' is upsetting quite a few people when he posts vulgarities on individual FB pages.


Is this why you've come home to roost?

nailingit — March 14, 2014 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

-Obama Spends Afternoon In Garage Restoring Classic Drone-

After popping the cap off of a fresh Rolling Rock, the 44th president of the United States explained that in an effort to maintain its mid-’90s authenticity, he is rebuilding the craft using mostly original RQ-1 parts ordered either directly from the manufacturer or traded with other collectors online. The head of state added that he has come to prefer the latter, saying that it provides him an opportunity to meet and talk shop with fellow “drone-heads.”

“When I’m done, she’s gonna have all the bells and whistles of the original; I’m talking Moving Target Indicator, APX-100 Friend-Or-Foe transponder, heat sensor, laser designator—the whole enchilada,” Obama said, standing next to a faded poster from the 1994 Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. “And, if I can pick one up on the cheap, I’m hoping to put in a top-of-the-line GPS, too.”

“With a set of souped-up avionics like that, you can really open her up once you hit international airspace,” he continued.

The president, who confirmed that he planned on sanding down the tail the next time he has a free weekend, said that after installing custom titanium wing linings, his next project will be to apply a coat of gunmetal gray paint to the vehicle’s body in order to get “that timeless Predator look.”

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nailingit — March 14, 2014 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Freeholder dissension: Liz Pike is starting to post criticism of the majority straw vote opinion thus far on the Freeholders Board on her FB page.

Look for things to heat up in the next couple of months, as they try to iron out a Charter that will be acceptable to most voters. The public comments at the Vancouver location have been civil. What will they be like in Battle Ground? Camas?

I predict that there will be a minority group on the Freeholder Board who will ultimately rally against the final Charter proposal approved by the majority, with Madore money backing the anti-Charter campaign. He does not want the commissioner number to increase at all and he is not a big fan of separation of powers: he likes to hold on to it himself.

A big sticking point: Electing the 5 commissioners by district in both the primary and general elections. As it stands now, the majority favor election by district in the primary, but by the entire county in the general. Might be worth a compromise to make sure we get meaningful separation of powers and 2 extra representatives in a new Charter that wins in November.

Any thoughts?

manthou — March 14, 2014 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thank goodness 5887 and its ilk (6178, 2149, etc.) won't see the governor's desk. That was truly a heinous piece of work.

The med-weed law was an initiative (692) in 1998. Though home growing was allowed the only other provision for obtaining cannabis was through a designated provider (originally called a "caregiver"). That provision in the law was ambiguous creating a 'grey area' whereby dispensaries opened; providing cannabis to "one patient at any one time."

That loophole was closed a couple of years ago with the passing of what was left of 5073 (it would have regulated dispensing). A new loophole was created, however; the section of law speaking to collectives.

The dispensaries simply changed their names and carried on. This is the activity Jenny Durkan called, "not tenable."

I'm not lost on the fact 5887 died over a money argument and not with any regard to the onerous regulations it would have burdened individual patients with.

Hopefully, the legislature is no longer in a panic to pass something, anything, and will have some time to think this thing through. Hopefully.

Drift — March 14, 2014 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou I am not sure I agree with adding more commissioners to the Clark County board. We most likely would end up with a worse balance than we have now. If these people were able to sit down and compromise it might work. But the way both sides are I just do not see that happening. I was disappointed that Stuart is leaving. He was just fine when he had total control of the board. When the shoe is on the other foot he didn't like it and bailed out. I think he was wrong in doing that. I didn't like all his decisions but I did feel he was willing to listen most of the time.

timerick — March 14, 2014 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 14, 2014 at 9:55 a.m.

In these current times I'm leaning with timerick's point of view, that 3 might be better than five. I see Pridemore thrown his hat in the ring.

A larger conservative majority than we have now would ensure local ruination for a longer period of time in this political atmosphere.

It's unfortunate our first consideration is what option would be the least harmful, rather than which one would be the more helpful.

nailingit — March 14, 2014 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm still not in favor of raising the number. However, if we must, I would prefer 5 separate districts and not the 2 at large positions. If that was in place now, we'd probably have 4 M&Ms; serving.

And I'm still strongly against the idea of all running at large in the generals. District 3 should be voted on by District 3 voters only.

roger — March 14, 2014 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the CC Charter, guys. Here is a link to some of the critical documents discussed so far:

If you feel like it, let the Freeholders know what you want. I actually got a response.

manthou — March 14, 2014 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, what can I say......

House Republicans Want To Sue The President For Not Arresting People For Marijuana

Hawkman — March 14, 2014 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Manthou.
I am always amused when they talk about their Handy (aka cell) over there. I heard people complain about the English that seems everywhere now.

On the other hand, I have been polluting the English language for years, so......

So who will the Dem be who will advance to fill the commish spot?

luvithere — March 14, 2014 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: At least German children are multi-lingual at a young age. Anyway, that was what I observed in Germany. Everywhere I travel in Europe or Scandinavia, residents slip in and out of English with ease. Impressed the hell out of me.

As for Big Stu's replacement: since the final choice will be made by M and M, I think the Dems ought to get creative. Someone suggested that they nominate all women, so M and M would have to chose a female. Not a bad idea. They are so Big Daddy condescending about womenfolk. Break up that good ol' boyz network they have going for them there.

The Wednesday Board Times are starting to sound like the chatter during a three martini lunch: bad jokes and every guy talking over each other, vying for dominance. Spare me. Sprinkle a little estrogen in there. Quick.

Sharon Wylie's husband, Ted Gathe, is retiring, so maybe she wants to spend more time in Vancouver and go for it, too. The Dems could offer Sharon Wylie, Temple Lentz, and Betty Sue Morris. I know that Sharon and Temple live in Stuart's district, but not sure about Betty Sue.

manthou — March 14, 2014 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 14, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.,

If my memory is correct, Stuart replaced Pridemore. Morris was 18th Legislative District, so probably 1st County District.

I'll stick with my earlier nominee, following your "demand" for a female - Sunrise Mahoney. She seems to be pretty squared away - made a couple of intelligent observations at the "burn Madore at the stake" gathering last year after Benton was hired, and every time she speaks at the freeholder meetings she makes sense.

But Pridemore is really by far the best choice.

roger — March 14, 2014 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: I forgot about Sunrise O'Mahoney. She lives in District 3. Perfecto. Love her name. She has attended most of the Freeholder meetings and truly wants to have a government that works.

I think Pridemore is the best choice, too, the one who might be able to win the election. Will they pick him?

manthou — March 14, 2014 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pridemore. Been there, done that.

How about we get some new people? We always complain (at all levels) and then we get the same people back in.

Manthou, we learn English in school over there. Most of Europe does. It's just the Americans who think English only is good enough.

luvithere — March 14, 2014 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Something to remember come election time.

-House Republicans Want To Sue The President For Not Arresting People For Marijuana-

nailingit — March 15, 2014 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: Oh, I know. I know. That is why I am dually embarrassed and impressed when I hear those little German kinders rattling off English like it was their native tongue.

As for new faces in CC politics: I look to the Freeholders and see Jim Mains and Temple Lentz as capable Dems. Will any Democrat be able to win the entire county in the general election? I cannot gauge the pulse of the voters. If you read Madore's FB page, he has a handful of very vocal supporters who think he walks on water. Then, I look at the anger over the Benton hire (the unscientific poll by the C recently) and there are hundreds who show they are not happy campers with the way CC is being managed.

Regardless, t won't be a cake walk, so, again I ask: which Democrat will most likely win?

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Who in Clark County will be leading this charge, if it spreads to local government? I do think some locals will try to use outrage over MJ legalization, but won't they be greeted with a huge and gaping yawn?

I don't know.

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- To some degree it already has spread to local government, given moratoriums and republican (Rivers) inspired legislation attempts.

There has been a 35 year slow burn with regards to republicans legislating morality and infringing on personal liberties and individual freedoms. I think it has reached the tipping point and the vast majority are saying-No More.

nailingit — March 15, 2014 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Responding to: nailingit — March 15, 2014 at 7:28 a.m.

Ironically, Eric Holder has the authority to reschedule cannabis (at the president's behest). A total removal from the CSA would not be likely however. There's this little treaty called the Single Convention on Narcotic drugs that's the fly...ointment.

And, of course, there's a slug of other considerations as well: having a drug below schedule I that hasn't been approved by the FDA being one of many.

'Tis a tangled web.

Drift — March 15, 2014 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Madore promises to use position on high capacity transit as his litmus test in determining which person is the better "faithful servant of the public" in replacing Steve Stuart.

His FB page should be required reading. It reveals so much about his thinking errors and manipulation of the dependent and underinformed.

"Make our decisions for us, Daddy David. And while you are at it, spin the truth and evidence to maximize our fear and keep us in line."

Madore knows that his brand of power does not come from forging alliances with persons in power (although he has Benton in his pocket now). That's why he continually berates, embarrasses, and shames his colleagues: people he needs policy votes from in various Board meetings.

No, Madore works from the ground up and his base comes from the faithful who are used to unquestioning acceptance. No matter how you look at it, it shares characteristics of a cult-like following.

He has "grooming" down to a science.

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 7:42 a.m.,

It's time to start linking replacing Stuart with the Home Rule charter process and whether the CRC is truly dead. None of this can be considered as a single issue.

As Editor Lou notes in his column, M/M may pick Lentz (or another of your downtown uberLibs) to keep someone who's electable across the County from building any sort of resume to take into the upcoming election. But for this strategy to be useful, there needs to be a Repub candidate strong enough in the 3rd who could slide into the top 2 in the primary if there was a fight between Dem candidates. Is there anyone there except for Jeanne Stewart who could pull this off? Again, I think Pridemore's moderation of his liberal beliefs and his track record make him the most likely to win an actual election in November - whether M/M select him or not. If someone like Lentz were to win out with the Dem vote, and Stewart pulled that Top Two vote, then Stewart wins the County wide vote.

Whether it's a tenable proposition or not is only somewhat relevant to many - Just how popular is Madore's 192nd Ave bridge plan? I've been of the opinion that once the CRC dies, so too will much of his support, and in 2016 he (and Mielke) will both be gone - replaced by a Repub in the 1st and someone of either party in the 2nd who are committed more to governing than to ideology. (We'll get a good test of that thinking in November, with John Ley going after Brandon Vick.) But if Madore can drum up enough support for the 192nd crossing, that may be enough to keep him on.

As Liz Pike notes in the facebook conversation you referred to yesterday, the Freeholders are starting to make the proposed Charter different enough from what we have now that they're starting to repeat what led to the last attempt failing - too much change for too many to grasp in our sound bite world, and enough opposition to sway the vote against it. As Madame Chairwoman observed during that 8 March meeting - there's a lot being covered, and they need to start accepting that some things need to be left to future groups to work on. ANYHOW - as pertains to this conversation, a new Charter does nothing to change the Comm Board dynamic until the 2015 election - either the regular one in November, or a special one if Randy Mueller's suspicion about the 6 month rule is correct. And until that vote happens, it's just too soon to look more than a year in advance as pertains to what the Board does - because nothing will change in the interim.

roger — March 15, 2014 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — March 15, 2014 at 8:14 a.m.

I remember at your book signing, when I introduced myself, you referred to me as the HuffPo guy. Not one to disappoint...

Two interesting articles I thought you might like. Most likely not much you haven't come across, but good reading for all.

BTW- What's the status with your latest writing endeavors?

- Should Marijuana Be Rescheduled?-
Kevin A. Sabet, Ph.D.
Co-founder, Project SAM (Smart Approaches to Marijuana) and Asst. Professor, University of Florida

[This article in part, makes a case for pot taking it's rightful place in the pages of pharmacopeia and contains some good info/links]

-Adequate and Well-Controlled Studies Proving Medical Efficacy of Cannabis Exist but Are Ignored by Marijuana Schedulers-
Sunil Aggarwal, M.D., Ph.D. and Amanda Reiman, Ph.D., M.S.W.

nailingit — March 15, 2014 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 9:35 am: Your comments show a lot of political insight. It is an exciting time for Clark County in the next year. I hope voters educate themselves well.

Joe Zarelli said it so well at a Freeholder meeting recently: the voters have the right to make poor (or good) decisions and then learn to live with them.

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I know I'm just a troublemaker but I really want a female to be our next Commissioner, because that will make the M&M; boys "uncomfortable". Then I want her to show up late for her first board meeting and blame it on a "female surgical procedure" running too long to make them even more "uncomfortable". Then, I want her to explain that for the pain incurred in the procedure, she scored an ounce of some of the best pot so "you guys don't have to be concerned".

"Please continue".

Hawkman — March 15, 2014 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Her campaign slogan: "If I wanted a Republican in my sex life, I'd seduce one."

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, if it's uncomfortable we're shooting for, how about someone openly gay (MoeJo?) or transgender. (Bobby Jindal?)

nailingit — March 15, 2014 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Community activist Ron Goodman suggests that M and M will reject ALL Democratic candidates because none will pass his high capacity transit hater litmus test. Then they will just choose their own.

Apparently Sarah Palin pulled a similar stunt.

Regardless, they have 60 days to make up their minds. After that, Jay Inslee appoints. They certainly won't let that go that far. Or will they? They just might be stooooopid enough to take on the Gov. Just for the publicity.

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 4:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 15, 2014 at 4:36 p.m.

Kelly Parker says she's running to have three good Dem options, but she considers Pridemore the best. Sounds to me like a set up for the November election.

And it also sounds like a push for the local Dem party to get the clock started as soon as Stuart resigns. I'm not certain M/M can do what Goodman suggests (reject all three).

roger — March 15, 2014 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Kelly Parker has put her name in the mix. She is the reason I quit paying dues to the Chamber. She is very anti small business. Several small business owners have dropped the Chamber because of her. Look at the membership. They only have a thousand to twelve hundred members out of the thousands in the county.

timerick — March 15, 2014 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 15, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.

According to the "C" article, M&M; have the option of not accepting any of the candidates and after 60 days Gov. Insley will have the job of making the choice.

I'll guess that it will go the distance, or very close to it.

Hawkman — March 15, 2014 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I don't think so Hawk. The choices are what they are and they will have to choose. I would go for Pridemore. I think he is pretty level headed and would listen to us.

timerick — March 15, 2014 at 9:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: Tell me more about Kelly Parker being anti-small business. Coming from you, that opinion carries weight with me.

My thoughts? If the choices are these three, Pridemore is the strongest. Who do I think M and M would choose? Kelly Parker.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 7 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Madore did not do his research homework. Again.

How could he not know that 192nd is within Vancouver's jurisdiction before he spent money and floated his East County Bridge fantasy?

Good luck getting Vancouver to sign on, especially after the mericless trashing he gives to the mayor and most of the city council.

When he learns to forge political alliances first, he may get somewhere. And, oh yes. That homework thing.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, I forgot: Benton is Madore's enforcer. Lucca Brazzi Benton.

He will come up with a bill that voids prior city annexations statewide. :)

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good Lord: Luca Brasi is the correct spelling. Apologies to Mr. Puzo.

OK: This Anson Service who is running against Sharon Wylie. He claims to be a moderate Republican. I will look forward to his disclosure of more info to back that claim up. Always interested in moderates, if they still exist.

I checked out his online bio and blogs and curriculum vita. I like some of his statements: ascribes to meditation as a life-changing practice. Promises not to be a bully politician.

However, and this is huge for me: there is no listing on his web pages of where he got his graduate degrees: why not? Is he ashamed of where he attended school? He is also vague about his doctorate. Is it a PhD? PsyD? EdD?

Leaving out those details tells me a whole lot, actually, and they are a big deal. Lies of omission, technically. He wants people to not pay attention to those details for some reason. Not a good start for transparency, Dr. Service. But I want to learn more about you, so start with full disclosure on your training and degrees, OK? :) Any Republican who has the guts to run in the 49th: kudos. I mean that. A moderate one, to boot. Hmmmm.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Trying to wake you guys up today. Big night last night? :)

Dr. Anson Service, running against Sharon Wylie, has self-published many self-help books and appears to be of the Mormon faith.

Nothing against that, just full disclosure as we get to know this new candidate:

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou several of us small business's downtown felt she did not do much to help with information and or mitigation on the properties directly effected by landing spots of the CRC. Also we saw a shift from being a business supporting group to one of just a social group. If you didn't fit with the group than they didn't want you. Also we felt she was to close with Identity Clark County. We have always looked at ICC as the major good old boys club. Wrong thoughts maybe, I have been wrong before. But for years the Chamber was a place to network with other small business's, we saw that start to move away from the intent of the Chamber. I don't believe the two M's will pick her. I go with Pridemore.

timerick — March 16, 2014 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 8:43 a.m.

He's a PsyD, LMHC (per

And again, I'm more interested in the hows and whys of him going for this office, when he's so busy (according to his website) drumming up business for his brand new "how to make your kid a better student through adventure training" business, and all those holistic whatever they are workshops and relationship strengthening counseling programs he's involved with. If you're suggesting something doesn't pass the smell test, I'm inclined to agree.

As to whether he's really a Repub, we'll have to check with our friends Lew Waters and Kelly Hinton - I'm thinking they'll want to talk about him soon (if they aren't already).

roger — March 16, 2014 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: Great info for me. Thanks. There is a big "snoot factor" when it comes to promoting a bogus "hierarchy" in downtown. I like the "we're all in this together" inclusive culture, which only exists in my dreams. I would vote for Pridemore, too. It is a done deal for me if he runs in November. I cannot imagine anyone else getting my vote.

roger: Thanks for doing the digging about the PsyD of Dr. Service. Oh, I agree about hearing his platform and plans. But….. leaving details like where he got his graduate degrees, when he listed his undergrad school, are significant omissions, no matter what else is important. It shows a lack of transparency from the get go, which triggers a red flag for me. Just my investigative quirks and it could be a more personal than global concern.

Also, someone's religious preference MAY (notice the qualifier) have a huge impact on ideology seeping into policy decisions. Where have we seen this before?

Just trying to be an informed voter. :)

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 9:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — March 16, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.

How does one become the Pres/CEO of the Chamber of Commerce? I can see some crossing over to Identity, with the Campbells and Kassab on both boards.

As for who she really represents, Tiffany Couch recently asked that same question. (This comes from Lew Waters site - google Kelly Parker GVCC and you'll see a couple of entries showing she's one of his favorite topics.)

roger — March 16, 2014 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Dr. Ansel Service's "Mission Incredible" excerpts on Barnes and Noble.

If you read nothing else, read page 3. More grandiosity in government leaders? Is that what we need?

Get out the magnifying glass, voters. Please.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Argosy University, an online degree granter, has a "campus" in Seattle. Dr. Service apparently received his PsyD and MA there, which is sometimes listed as the "Washington School for Professional Psychology."

These schools are often criticized for charging exorbitant tuition fees (over $45,000 a year) and for lax admission standards. Some Argosy PsyD programs are accredited by the American Psychological Association and some are not. I don't know whether the Seattle campus is accredited by the APA, an important endorsement. I will attempt to find out.

Of critical note: Dr. Service's professional license in WA state is for "Mental Health Counselor" and he does not hold a license as a Psychologist. Big difference in licensing requirements and I am wondering why he has not pursued the Psychologist licensure as many PsyD holders do. Is it because Argosy Seattle is not APA accredited?

Hey, these questions are important to persons who practice in the mental health field. They should be important to consumers, but consumers often don't know what to ask or how to dig.

I ask them so you don't have to. :)

Again. It is all about transparency. If you are not ashamed or trying to cloak and cloud, you shout it from the roof tops: I am a proud PsyD graduate from Argosy University (also known as the Washington School of Professional Psychology).

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 11:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 16, 2014 at 9:54 a.m.

I didn't care for her when she was on Channel 8. She always had kind of a "snooty attitude". Like, "I'm better than this, I deserve better than just reporting the news".

And Tim--- this is from the article;

"The Democratic central committee will interview candidates before paring them down and presenting a list to commissioners. Madore and Mielke will have 60 days after the vacancy to appoint a new commissioner. If they fail to act, the task will fall to Gov. Jay Inslee."

Hawkman — March 16, 2014 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — March 15, 2014 at 8:20 p.m.
manthou — March 16, 2014 at 7 a.m.

Not sure about Clark County's business owners, or for the local Chamber of Commerce, but nationally there has been a large drop in Chamber of Commerce by businesses because of their very comfortable relationship with ALEC that has been slowly coming into view in the last few years. The Chamber chapters across the country is viewed as the local faces of business, can pass along opinions and ideas, and so has been recognized and nurtured as such by ALEC.

My own particular interest was piqueded when the Chamber of Commerce and ALEC joined forces to undo and sabotage justice for asbestos victims a few years back. It was eye-opening to find the Chamber so closely connected to ALEC. Personally, I like when looking for information that folks may prefer be hidden, but the connection can be found all over the internet, no matter how it's searched.

jacjak — March 16, 2014 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Morning all. As to not talking about grad degrees. Easy. That PsyD from a professional grad school is not really shall I say this?
Most of them not accredited, lots of money, doesn't transfer, always wondering why he didn't pursue the 'real' doctorate from a decent school.
Snooty sounding? possible. Not meant to be. Just happen to have a PhD in psych, so familiar with how that goes.

It doesn't mean that he is not an excellent councilor, though. He might very well be. I just wouldn't stress the degrees from that school either.

He is already losing grounds with me, although his message sounds good.

luvithere — March 16, 2014 at 11:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 11:02 a.m.,

I've seen enough. Using the Book of Mormon to ward off a motorcycle gang surrounding him was (shall we say) enlightening.

roger — March 16, 2014 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 16, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.
and manthou -

From scanning his website a bit, Service's practice seems to be based on the healthy mind needs a healthy body concept.

Gee - The Boy Scouts, high school sports, the Y, Little League, etc. all told me that while growing up. And the military - well, an early Platoon Sergeant Preacher Freeman was noted for his "I smell liquor - Guess we're going to have to work that poison out of your bodies" before some particularly strenuous PT sessions.

Didn't know I could be making money off of that knowledge.

roger — March 16, 2014 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: Just for good measure and to hear the answer from the horses' mouth directly, so-to-speak, I emailed APA Accreditation and asked specifically about Washington School of Professional Psychology at Argosy University in Seattle. This particular "campus" is not currently on their list of accredited schools (big surprise). If it was in the past and was pulled, we will find out. I know enough, however, already. As you say, I wouldn't claim that school, either.

Do you know if Mental Health Counselor licensees in WA can administer all the cognitive/behavioral tests that Psychologist licensees can? Or are they limited with restrictions? That's another thing to dig into.

I agree with you about those PsyD mills: there are good practitioners who come out of those programs, but anyone can buy their degree there, if they have the money and the time.

roger: Poor Anson Service (I do love that name: worthy of a character in a novel) has lost from the get go if anyone reads some of that book he penned. Just shows you how important it is to do your own research and make up your own mind.

Anyone can spin a good promise. Anyone can clean up the outside. It is what is lying hidden in that brain and thinking processes/errors that I want to ferret out. :)

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 11:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak @ 11:06 am: Great link. Thanks. I had no idea that ALEC was trying to infiltrate Chamber of Commerce. Not surprising, actually, but chilling.

Kelly Parker will be M and M's pick, the more I think about it.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 11:42 a.m.

I'm wondering who would win "the battle of the minds" between Service and Madore. Or would they decide to join forces and take over the State and then the Country and then THE WORLD!!!!!

Oh well, who cares.

BTW, are the floodgates open yet?


Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Hawkman — March 16, 2014 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman: Yeah. I read some of Service's self-promoting adventure story and thought, "Oh, great. Just what local politics need: another grandiose religious narcissist!"

Triple threat.

I really wanted to like him. No matter how he polishes himself or distances himself from past publications, the only thing I am going to see is the zealot Mormon missionary spy wannabe who picks apartment locks to force his message on the resistant. The guy who apparently paid top bucks to legally call himself a doctor, but who practices under a master's level license. That will stick with me.

Impression management seems more important to him than the truth. Do we need more of that in Clark County?

Sharon Wylie: are you reading and taking notes?

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 10:22 a.m.

Holy Moly, that was disturbing! Sort of reminded me of another manifesto I tried reading years ago.

jacjak — March 16, 2014 at 12:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ok, I also went to the link provided re Service's obviously self-published book. Made it to page 3. Me thinks the man needs help. This IS disturbing. Just the talk about his glorious church...

We can only hope people will do a bit of research and see this guy for what he is.

And this has zero to do with political party affiliation. A decent moderate Republican is a good thing to have and know.

Manthou. A clinical license requires zig hours of supervised clinical hours, for starters. He is NOT a licensed psychologist. And from your research, this particular school is an online diploma mill. Uh huh.

Clark County. It manages to bring out the nutty ones me thinks.

luvithere — March 16, 2014 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

On the more positive side of news, old Phelps of the Westboro Church of Nuts seems to on his last breath. how about we protest at HIS funeral? I got a few good ideas for posters.

luvithere — March 16, 2014 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, the Kevin Sabet cat is a snake oil salesman. Even so, that was one of the more even handed articles of his I've read.

Why can't we have both? I mean, why can't a person grow a little pot out in their garden AND the pharmaceuticals do good work with the phytocannabinoids?

As far as that next book, I'm waiting on the publisher to notify me when we're starting copyediting (shrug).

Drift — March 16, 2014 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Guess what?

Dr. Anson Service has edited his online profile to include his graduate degree schools. They were missing this morning.

American School of Professional Psychology in Seattle.

That is different from what another online bio reported, which was Argosy University: Washington School of Professional Psychology.

Hey, at least he got the message. But these professional schools of psychology: they change names and morph all the time, it seems.

Here's the problem when you limit the Kool Aid you drink to one flavor, when you limit who gives you feedback to obedient YES folk: you may get a skewed view of how others might regard you. The world of politics is like living under a critical microscope, when your family and church members might love you unconditionally.

I predict Dr. Service will drop out of the race. Early.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nope: American School of Professional Psychology in Seattle is still affiliated with Argosy University and it is not on the APA's current list of accredited programs. Only the San Francisco, DC, and Orange County programs are.

So, he still is distancing himself from the infamous Argosy U.

Just to be clear.

manthou — March 16, 2014 at 4:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I don't think Kelly Parker is any where associated with Alec. She is uber liberal. Nothing wrong with that but her mind is closed to anything less. If we don't have open mind's than we all all losers. I don't think M & M will pick her. As I said they will go with Pridemore. They will feel they have more control. I hope I am wrong on the control part.

timerick — March 16, 2014 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — March 16, 2014 at 2:27 p.m.

I'm really liking what's happening with pot laws and it's image nationwide. It seems like everyday a different state is considering legalization or lessoning penalties. Lawmakers on the Hill are talking re-scheduling cannabis, our President saying it's less harmful than alcohol, bipartisan advocation, polling much favors decriminalization, etc. I think history will shine kindly on our state and Colorado for pushing legalization over the top.

Although I'm waiting for a shoe to drop. I guess it's only right a little paranoia/apprehension still exists. After partaking in the qualities of a harmless plant for several decades, knowing that a wrong circumstance would get me hard jail time, this stuff is hard to process. An inverted institutionalized feeling maybe? I don't know. Fortunately, I've never been charged with a "marijuana" crime, but a few folks I know have. Nevada laws have always been some of the harshest, if not the harshest, in the nation growing up. Possession=Felony.

Now if we can only start getting it right at the government level, instead of inflicting needless pain on ourselves. I thought the other article regarding the medical efficacy of cannabis made a strong case in a short space for not only re-scheduling, but the de-scheduling of cannabis, and countered the Sabet dude pretty well.

I think from a local level, the CC commissioners need to be hit hard concerning loss of much needed revenue for the County. A dollars and cents argument. We won't win in the arena of 'what's right', common sense, or what the voters want. Not with these guys. A deal needs to be worked out.

Promises need to be made. Private donors need to wake up. Politicians love to have buildings named after them. Maybe a gay reparative clinic named after Madore, a School Of Phonology & Articulation named after Meilke, something. Some back door dealing that appeals to what makes these guys click. Tit for tat back room deals made, where ego's are paramount and the voters not given a thought and kept in the dark.

It happens in DC all the time.

And when it does, we call it bipartisanship.

nailingit — March 16, 2014 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 16, 2014 at 11:06 a.m.

Thanks for the info. And of course we have our very own Don Benton officially in charge of pushing ALEC's many agenda's. Attentiveness to national politics prepares us for what's coming at the local level.

Some things roll naturally down hill.....

nailingit — March 16, 2014 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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