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Marci Stephenson, a C3G2 community participant, posted these photos of the most awesome bridge design recently.

How creative and fun! A fire-breathing dragon bridge! Let's build it! Or at least something equally awesome. :)

manthou — March 24, 2014 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mari Stephenson (mother, not daughter). Sorry Marci. :)

manthou — March 24, 2014 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And only 85 mil!

Drift — March 24, 2014 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 24, 2014 at 9:31 a.m.

No longer a boondoggle, but a serpentboggle!

This would drive the religious right over the edge.....

Let's do it!

nailingit — March 24, 2014 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The best part is - it is clearly designed for Roller Rail.

kn_dalai — March 24, 2014 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh yes! I'll toll up for a dragon bridge. National fame...first the Gorge with the legendary Bridge of the Gods (great name, scary bridge), and now a Dragon Bridge! A total travel destination! To helll with 6 or 8 lanes...just slap a light rail inside that dragon belly and have the commute of your life...everyday! Naming it would be fun... contests, pools, etc. Something with a ton of k's...drakkon gate... something totally Tolkin or Homer.

jacjak — March 24, 2014 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I like it!!! One of the best designs ever. Too bad we can't have someone creative here design something similar. Of course in Vietnam, dragons mean something totally different than here. Nailingit is right, the religious right would have a fit, that would be the fun part for me.

Hawkman — March 24, 2014 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Is The Oregonian becoming the Gawker of the Pacific NW? It must suck to be an Oregonian journalist. My condolences:

manthou — March 24, 2014 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 24, 2014 at 3:49 p.m

The last thing I want to do is have to read their online content for "breaking news" that's going to turn out to be something about a Kardashian. I feel sorry for the "O", but I feel more sorry for their owners. There are going to be a lot of cancellations. In fact, I'm going to be one of them.

Hawkman — March 24, 2014 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

-Special report: Taxpayers fund creationism in the classroom-

Taxpayers in 14 states will bankroll nearly $1 billion this year in tuition for private schools, including hundreds of religious schools that teach Earth is less than 10,000 years old, Adam and Eve strolled the garden with dinosaurs, and much of modern biology, geology and cosmology is a web of lies.

Now a major push to expand these voucher programs is under way from Alaska to New York, a development that seems certain to sharply increase the investment.
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nailingit — March 24, 2014 at 11:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 24, 2014 at 11:04 p.m.

This article does an excellent job of supporting the Blue-Red schism I've noted (I use Blue-Red for expediency though not entirely accurate - rather, the split is probably more accurately between progressivism and moralism).

I am NOT claiming any particular viewpoint as my own; rather, I'm trying to get across that the so-called conservative fringe that people like David Madore represents is actually much larger than popular opinion in this forum seems willing to accept.

"Participating parents, however, say it’s only right that the state should help them pay for an education that reflects their values. In many cases, that means the book of Genesis rather than “The Origin of Species.” Gallup polls consistently show that nearly half of American adults believe God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years."

There is a search for a return to the idealistic vision of a strong, upright America as existed post WWII into the early 60's. The America that we Boomers, in our search for self-gratification (and all that other blah blah blah stuff) walked away from. The churches (most notably the evangelical ones) have been more than willing to fill that gap and provide guidance.

Again, I'm seeing signs that the Repubs are slowly working to resolve their political ideology differences. The 2014 elections should be a good indicator - Are the polls that show they have a good chance of gaining in, if not taking over, the Senate accurate? If this comes to pass, then watch out.

roger — March 25, 2014 at 5:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: I never thought the far, far right isn't a massive movement, slowing infiltrating American politics and culture: it is a force.

Also, most Boomers I know supplemented that self-enhancement stuff you mention with a true desire to make a difference in the lives of others. Hence, they chose careers in education, social work, medicine and government. We didn't have the dot com whizzes or power execs. At least in my little corner of the Boomer world.

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 25, 2014 at 5:39 a.m.

roger — March 25, 2014 at 5:39 a.m.

To my memory, no one in the forum has underestimated the scope and power of today's political evangelical movement, certainly not I. They have been representing 30-40% of the republican party for decades. Dubya was their crowning achievement. They are most likely the most powerful lobbying group on the planet, but are losing their grip.

When myself and others post items like the one you cited about taxpayer money, the current influence of Ralph Reed, Koch bros., poke fun at stooges like Bachman & Gohmert, it's not mitigating their influence, but rather in many respects just the opposite.

This Red/Blue schism you're speaking of has been driving this forum since it's inception, and I think is well understood by all who post. Maybe I'm missing a point here. It wouldn't be the first time.

Sure republicans are working together. They're smart like anyone else and understand election consequences. But they're ideologically divided on many levels, many are non-conforming radicals, and lack public support for many of their policies. I'll harken back to luvit's post asking you for examples contrasting the two parties so-called fringe leaders. What used to be red fringe has now become part of mainstream republicanism. A price the party is paying for letting the "fringe" dictate policy and direction after 2010.

In 2012 Democrats won decisively, both Congress and the presidency, yet the house is still controlled by the "red" faction. Please understand the reasons for this as we've discussed this much in forum days past. Gerrymandering, seats available, not to mention the consequences of a shocked GOP after we elected Barack Hussein Obama as POTUS in 2010, which will reverberate numbers wise for years to come. It was historic.

roger- We are interested in what, 'viewpoints are your own'. Individual opinions are kinda what this forum is about. I'll be more specific in the future.

On another matter-what do you personally think of the Freeholder process to date, and their call on CCC salary reductions. I think we should reassess to bring salaries in the $30,000 yearly range.

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I mean to say after we elected POTUS in 2008. Of course 2010 was the fallout.

Elections have consequences. Hopefully our conservative minority friends will stop voting against their own interests.

Can anyone tell me why republicans across the country are limiting days/hours/times people can vote?

There are so many differences between the two parties. Freedom to cast a ballot seems to be one of them.

Politics can truly be ... remarkable.

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I have been talking about that religious movement and its size for a long time. Never underestimated it. That's one of the major reasons why I call the far rw fringe. Although fringe may imply this is small; which it is not. This is where we find the outrageous statement re rape and women, as well as the statements making it clear that the poor need to be ignored.
They frighten me. Screaming about shariah law but wanting to implement bible law. Of course, they cannot even figure out which version they want.

One of the reasons I am so protective of MY first amendment right also to be free of their crap.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Is it just me, or are there no FB comments in the C. Hopefully this isn't a new feature where you have to be a FB user to see FB comments.

I still refuse to get sucked into that type of media vortex for want of expressing opinion. A joke comes to mind, but for community standards I'll refrain.

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.

A resounding,,, AMEN!

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 9:17 a.m.

Must be you, I still see them. Not logged into FB either on my end.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks luvit. I'm getting them now.

Maybe not getting them was a good thing. :)

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Yea, wasn't anything good to read anyway. A few posters on the news that Ed Barnes is running is all.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Priceless: Someone is sitting behind Ed Barnes at the BOCC in partial camera view with a copy of The Columbian. Fantastic.

Now, on to listening to the usual M and M scolding commenter and rationalizing their bonehead decisions.

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 10:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

No way will Ed Barnes be able to fill Stuart's shoes.

Stuart is working overtime today in countering the rosy-colored propaganda promoted by Madore and Mielke with facts and evidence in terms of the budget. He has a long-term history of background information that can hardly be countered.

Budget Bob (Madore loves to give nicknames like Bush did) said this: the erosion (in services) is happening slowly, but eventually the hill will collapse. Still, Madore and Mielke flash those vacuous smiles and misinterpret reality.

Makes me wonder if their ultimate goal is to destroy CC government.

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.

Possible. In the name of smaller government which is mantra these days. You know, free market and all, will take care of it all.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere: Smaller government when it suits him. :) So Liz Pike, Peter Silliman, and Tracy Wilson, all conservative Freeholders, argue for high commissioner salaries, as if at the behest of Madore.

I can't figure these guys out any longer.

At least Ann Rivers insisted (through Jim Mains): half-salaries mean smaller government. She would not accept more. There is one Repub, at least, that Madore failed to convince. :)

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou, think ME when it comes to that particular brand of politicians. As long as I get MINE, I do not care about yours (or you).

Kind of like one cannot understand how people can live in CC when making less than 50K. Or: must have high salary to do my job. At the same time, this brand cuts the food stamps and wants to get rid of minimum wage. Then it is all about : work harder, do not rely on government to bail ya out. You peon! Slacker!

Disgruntled here. So tired of them all. Hypocrites the minute they all open their fat mouths.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Makes me wonder if their ultimate goal is to destroy CC government."

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 11:04 a.m.

This has been the GOP call since 2008 and blends right into today's conversation. It's why so many of us have been upset and disappointed at Congress and understand these policies are making strong inroads across the nation. For the most part current GOP policies, at least the ones available to decipher, are a nightmare, and a disease to those communities that are heavily affected.

The right calls for limited government, while starting wars, prescription drug programs, corporate tax breaks, etc., without a thought as to how to pay for them. Same ol' same ol'. The excessive spending by republican administrations since Reagan is off the charts. They historically spend more, it's just what they spend it on and how they do it.

Now the call is to drown government in the bathtub, kill it, and privatize services, all with the financial backing of the Koch bros. and their ilk thanks to C.U. and other decisions. Everything should belong to corporate, (until a right wing president gets power-then government is effective;) to include decisions involving contraceptive use, choice, gay rights, gender/racial equality, tax code, etc.

Same crap really, except now a conservative Supreme court has removed any assemblance of fair play. Corporations are now people with unlimited political capital.

And of course when the right does think a program should be paid for, it's done of the backs of the middle class.

When folks want to destroy something, and in particular politically elected anarchists destroying local and national governments, how can there be a middle or a compromise?

I'll give the right credit. They have truly moved the goalposts.

Fortunately the national conversation is changing. I think more are waking up than being put to sleep.

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"the split is probably more accurately between progressivism and moralism)."

roger — March 25, 2014 at 5:39 a.m.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder for sure.

I'd be interested in hearing how you arrived at that. I suppose I can see that in the traditional sense, but I'd be interested in how you qualify it from our 21st century political perspective.

It's awful hard for me to equate any words starting with "moral" as being relevant to today's GOP and the policies they fight for.

In my mind, Moralism has always been couched in grey for those not adherent to religious based ideology. But I understand philosophically it can mean many things.

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.
Fortunately the national conversation is changing. I think more are waking up than being put to sleep.

Sure hope you are right. Sometimes, people do not wake up until it hits them squarely in the butt and affects them deeply. People still do not see how these politics affect them personally. Man, we fight wars on multiple fronts and life goes on at home like nothing happens. Except of course, for the military families. They are the ones sacrificing, but the rest of us go on our merry way and watch it on the telly.
We have become so far removed from reality, it is scary.

Ever the pessimist.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Holy cow.
State senate voted itself a per diem raise. Guess who was in favor of that one?

Boy, does he love the gobment money he gets everywhere, every time. Sure doesn't like anybody else getting it though.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 3:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 3:03 p.m

Can you believe that??? Benton was the deciding vote. Just why do these people need more money? Ann Rivers said she, for one, wouldn't be taking the increase. Good for her. I hope others follow suit.

Hawkman — March 25, 2014 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, Hawk, he needs it. Now that he works 24 hours a day..two jobs and all. Non stop. The poor man, no wonder he is so skinny and looks so stressed out. All that work. And all that counting of his money...

When will people see him for what he is?
Just unbelievable.

luvithere — March 25, 2014 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I am wondering if Benton voted with the Dems on that committee just to tweak his Republican Majority Coalition colleagues (led by fellow committee member Rodney Tom). He has been very clear that he is not happy with them.

Today at the BOCC, Tyler Graf tweeted that, during Ed Barnes' anti-Benton rant, Benton was seated in the front row with a big grin on his face.

Add provocateur to bully when we reference him, too.

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There was something mentioned, earlier this day, about new requirements for reporters working at the Oregonian. I was breezing through my _The Week_ and thought this might be applicable. Sorta.

I never cared for AC/DC, myself. Once I attended one of their concerts (because they were opening for Alice Cooper) and Angus nearly foamed on me. I'd'a whipped that punk's a... ;^)

Drift — March 25, 2014 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — March 25, 2014 at 4:20 p.m.

I saw them mid nineties in a stadium venue and they rocked 20,000 folks into the dirt.

I didn't hear right for about a week. It was great!

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Someone, I assume a Clark County employee (or someone hired by Madore) produced this jubilant video of the "ribbon cutting" ceremony at the Clark County Permit Center, with a score that rivals The Great Gate of Kiev by Mussorgsky. I can't find Steve Stuart in the crowd to save my soul. But Madore and Mielke are front and center, self-promoting like the good politicians they are.

I so want to put an audio script together for this, a la Mystery Science Theater:

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So do I understand this right? Benton did a "phone vote" ? So, did he clock out from the County while he was on the phone with the other Senators to vote himself a friggin raise or was this just the regular double dip?

I'm sorry but this guy really pisses me off!

Hawkman — March 25, 2014 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Some guitar playin'

roger — March 26, 2014 at 5:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

New political reporter at The Columbian: Lauren Dake. Comes with some great experience and a degree from one of the best journalism schools in the country, Northwestern. Our Olympia team will not be boring material.

Anyone else think that Benton has decided not to run again? Just a thought. He is burning bridges with his Majority Coalition Caucus at every opportunity, it seems.

Now that he bagged the DES Director job, we at Clark County are blessed with him until he retires. :(

manthou — March 26, 2014 at 5:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 25, 2014 at 6:33 a.m. -- No argument here with your assessment of what Boomers are doing with their lives. But we are blamed for creating the Nanny State, immorality, drug abuse, lack of religion, and a host of other ills that have led to the decline of American greatness. I recommend a Pat Buchanan book for your exposure to the "proper" way of seeing these things.

nailingit — March 25, 2014 at 8:51 a.m. -- My thoughts on the freeholder process, as to end result, haven't changed a lot. I still believe we should have district only voting in the general as well as the primary. Three districts and two at large sounds somewhat interesting, but I'd like to hear more about the comparison between district and at large positions, if there is to be a difference. I agree with an appointed city manager type of county executive/administrator. Reducing the commissioner role to a part time position is OK by me; salary reduced to something commensurate with the final determination of exactly what they'll be responsible for doing. They're getting close to their self-imposed deadline - will we see the initiative and referendum power adopted? That was very important to a lot of the people running for the spots, and may be an important deal breaker if not adopted. We'll see - I agree with Pike saying if we get too complicated then it will fail (again) - I suspect only a small number are even following this.

The oil facility is now the most important topic in the area.

roger — March 26, 2014 at 6:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

How much did that Permit Center renovation cost?

I find it interesting that for a business to qualify for the fee waiver it must agree to annual reporting of its receipts. I stumbled across that while trying to find numbers on the center work.

Drift — March 26, 2014 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I understood the fee waiver was only to be til CC unemployment dropped to state levels. Think it's close or on target now. So, what happens next?

jacjak — March 26, 2014 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

No argument here with your assessment of what Boomers are doing with their lives. But we are blamed for creating the Nanny State, immorality, drug abuse, lack of religion, and a host of other ills that have led to the decline of American greatness.
roger — March 26, 2014 at 6:38 a.m.

To blame immorality on the Boomers is like blaming them for a salty sea, or the moon's phases. No matter which age of history one reads, or in what language, including Sanskrit or Latin, immorality, corruption, wickedness, and any other depravity or obscenity that can be dreamed up is already written down and waiting to be read. And religion is generally at the heart of it all.

I can only assume all these accommodating blame-game simantics are delivered to specific target audiences... uninformed, busy, distracted, unfulfilled, and restricted either through education or philosophy. Sound bite data gathering seems to be the limit of way to many Americans.

Frankly, I think some of these people that keep talking about morality or immorality are still really pissed off about the birth control pill. They have always, and probably will always, equate immorality only to sex. Especially the freely given sex, not the kind talked about in all those historial books.

jacjak — March 26, 2014 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I forgot how much I've always enjoyed (and learned from) Rachel Maddow's 'wrap-up', or whatever those longer opinion pieces are called in her shows. They're always accompanied by videos, graphs, or forms of evidence that backs up what she is talking about. Hardly watch it lately, or much else for that matter. Where does the time go?

jacjak — March 26, 2014 at 1:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Time to quit calling college football and basketball players amateur student athletes. College football and bball are the minor leagues for the NFL and the NBA and have nothing to do with academics. Here’s your United Steelworkers Union in action, collective bargaining and all. Time for the Teamsters to organize the cheerleaders, then the waterboys.

kn_dalai — March 26, 2014 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Big surprise: The BOCC invocation list is drying up. They are having trouble getting faith leaders (or whatever) to volunteer for the opening prayer. They actually put one of the citizens who shows up to Wednesday Board Time meetings on it. She took the list home and is cold calling preachers. Citizen arm-twister. Pretty soon, volunteers will be running the whole shebang.

Just leave the moment of silence in place. Works for me. Sounds like it works for 300 preachers on the list, too.

What else did I learn at Board Time? M and M have essentially handed one of the wealthiest families in the nation, Walton, a million dollar traffic impact fee waiver. Walmart needs it so, you know. Also, M and M don't have the data they need to properly evaluate whether the impact fee is "working." They are getting ready to guesstimate their own data, folks, because the business owners who already have the fee waivers are not returning their calls.

I hope Tyler Graf helps interpret this for us. I cannot trust my ears any longer, I spend my time being incredulous and horrified.

manthou — March 26, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pretty soon, volunteers will be running the whole shebang.
manthou — March 26, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.

Thought that's what Mielke wants...the whole county run by volunteers.

That's probably the first step to privitizing every aspect of county governance.... running it 'like a business' was a Madore campaign promise, right?

jacjak — March 26, 2014 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 26, 2014 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 26, 2014 at 6:31 p.m.

Was that for the Battle Ground Walmart or is there another one in the works?

Hawkman — March 26, 2014 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk: I am not sure. It wouldn't be the new one on Grand and Fourth Plain, because that is in Vancouver. Mark McCauley kept saying that Walmart was rushing the process so they could get in on the traffic impact fee waiver, which he estimated at about one million.

Mielke's retort: well, all those employees at Walmart will be spending money and paying sales tax.

As if it is a wash.


manthou — March 26, 2014 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Another thinly-veiled dig against the proposed CC Charter changes from Madore's recent FB post:

"It is such a pleasure having the freedom to work directly with staff to brainstorm, solve problems, and make improvements as we work together as a team to better serve our community. And I believe we have the best team in our state. Yea team!"

That's not the rosy perspective many staffers have. :)

The Freeholders are building in a protective wall between the Commissioners and CC staff by having the County Exec be the team leader for staff. If you want to hear Madore micro-managing staff in detail (it is painful), just listen to him at Board Time yesterday pick apart their weeks of effort on tracking fee waiver data.

Now, I will say that the ability to pay property taxes with E-checks is a great convenience (I did it this time), but I think that was Mark McCauley's brainchild, not Madore's.

Madore is building momentum to attack the proposed County Charter on many fronts: he is opposed to the addition of two commissioners, the reduction of commissioner salaries, the protective firewall between commissioners and county staff, for starters.

manthou — March 27, 2014 at 5:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 26, 2014 at 8:10 p.m.

Now that I think about it, I seem to remember Walmart wanting to build in Salmon Creek. Off 134th South & East of 205. That must be the one.

Hawkman — March 27, 2014 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk: Well, that surely is a high traffic area and a new Walmart site there will generate many additional trips daily. Understatement.
The Seattle Times, using many of its top journalists (Rosenthal, Berens, Armstrong, Brunner and others) has produced and published a stellar series coverage of the Oso mudslide tragedy. It is Pulitzer breaking news material. They do have a paywall, like the Columbian, so access is limited unless you are a subscriber.

The executive reorganization of this newspaper has re-energized many who work there.

manthou — March 27, 2014 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

-Live Cow Lowered Onto Floor Of U.S. House Of Representatives-

WASHINGTON—Cautiously maneuvering the animal above Congressional chambers as a chorus of snarls and growls erupted from below, U.S. Capitol handlers carried out routine legislative feeding procedures this morning by lowering a live cow onto the floor of the House of Representatives. “All right, chow time!” shouted a feeding supervisor, who lowered the 800-pound heifer into the baying horde of lawmakers and then waited around 30 seconds for the sounds of panic and gnashing teeth to die down before lifting the animal’s skeletonized remains back up from the floor. “Let’s bring ’er up, fellas. Whoo-weee! Looks like they were hungry today, yes sir!” At press time, sources reported the blood-soaked legislators had resumed their scheduled hearing on H.R. 3193.,35223/

nailingit — March 27, 2014 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger/others who know this show, this is some really funny stuff.

-Samantha Bee Pays Tribute To The 'Morning Joe' Family On 'The Daily Show'-

nailingit — March 27, 2014 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 26, 2014 at 5:31 a.m.

I always do my walk with an ipod. That's great walking music!! Was Jeff Beck using a slide on his guitar for just a bit? Grew up around a guy that played what he called an electric steel guitar. Always liked it's slide sound. His was a box that sat on his lap. While walking last week it came to me that music is the ultimate human extravagance... absolutely no purpose other than pleasure and expression.

jacjak — March 27, 2014 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 27, 2014 at 3:09 p.m.

Love that great movie!

jacjak — March 27, 2014 at 4:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — March 27, 2014 at 3:54 p.m.

Well, well... made national news, huh?

Fairly straightforward reporting by foxnews, tho I take exception to the implication Benton's day job is the DES position without noting he also has a advertising agency, which Wikipedia says he's the 'former' owner of, and is run by his wife.

Also, sure didn't like his reference to 'his workers' being the ones who said papers were clogging stormdrains. Why not 'county workers' or maintenance workers'? Even tho he's always a bit posessive, it is national coverage, and 'his' sounds so adolescent...or worse, proprietorial.

jacjak — March 27, 2014 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak: As I have said before, Benton overuses the possessive when he refers to DES employees. By doing so, he is implying he had something to do with their independent accomplishments. You and I know that no county workers cooked up the litter fee. That came from B M and M, but he'll be happy to deflect the blame to them. Bottom feeder doesn't do the guy justice.

I hope that all this national attention, now from a conservative media source, lands Benton a job with ALEC in some remote land, far, far away from Clark County. By ALEC's standards, he is a top-performer, just who they need to muscle and bully on a national level.

Truly, I am surprised that no one has decked him good in his whole life history. Maybe someone has, but we don't know about it. :)

manthou — March 27, 2014 at 5:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 27, 2014 at 9:32 a.m.

That was great - thanks.

"Please stop fighting! It's my fault," she cries to clips of the two bickering. "You guys are going to get divorced, aren't you? Please don't make me go live with Lawrence O'Donnell. He doesn't flush the toilet!"

roger — March 27, 2014 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 27, 2014 at 11:48 a.m.

I'm sure there was a slide when he was playing the vocal part of the song. Jeff Beck rarely played straight forward rock, so he wasn't as popular as a lot of the "guitar gods", but for my money he may be the best ever (and yes, Nails, that includes Jimi). His Oranges album (with Going Down) is still one of my favorites.

roger — March 27, 2014 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 27, 2014 at 11:48 a.m.

Robert Randolph - Saw this guy play electric steel guitar on one of the Crossroads Blues festivals. He also does a mean job on several Hendrix tunes, if you want to youtube him.

roger — March 27, 2014 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger @ 6:29

Yes! Sooo nice. Read his Wikipedia page... my, he's a very busy guy, and has played with many recognized names, including Carl Santana. Checked him out on iTunes. At 5 albums that'll take time, so adding him to my 'must preview' list.

Thanks for the intro...

jacjak — March 27, 2014 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Beck picks up a slide 43 seconds in from a tray in front of the drummer and jams with it immediately. It's either acrylic or glass, and accounts for that glassy smooth tone Beck achieves. Although on this tune I thought he sounded a bit tinny.

I was more captivated by Page dusting off and jamming an old Fender Electric 12 String than anything else.

Everyone has an opinion as to the greatest this or that. I tend to scale music at this level spectrally rather than linear mode.

Comparing Beck to Hendrix, I say this.

(Take away Beck's whammy bar and he'd be a bass playing sissy:)

All kidding aside, Beck is a great player.

But he ain't no Hendrix.

Just my opinion.

nailingit — March 27, 2014 at 10:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 27, 2014 at 10:51 p.m.

"The Best" is a tough call. I've read that Jimi thought Billy Gibbons was up in that category. Alvin Lee never got enough credit for his work - probably because the rest of his band wasn't all that good. And I've always claimed Johnny Winter deserved top billing in Texas - not Billy or Stevie Ray. Toy Caldwell could go off on some amazing runs in concert - I wasn't a big fan of Marshall Tucker's country sound, but put that bias away just to see their great shows.

Just bought a new turntable, and pulled my receiver, speakers and album collection out of storage. Not sure yet, but I may add Jorma Kaukonen to that pretty good list. Hot Tuna always kind of impressed me.

roger — March 28, 2014 at 5:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

benton's suggested a $150k fine on the C for pollution......

can't write stuff this good.

DeeLittle — March 28, 2014 at 5:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Madore has openly begun his full court press against the proposed County Charter changes. I saw this coming and sensed Liz Pike's collusion with it, in her remarks last week.

As the County staff how they feel about his working directly with them.

From Madore FB posting last night:

"One of the greatest advantages of Clark County government is the access that we as commissioners have to work directly with staff to solve specific citizen problems to get ‘er done. About half of my time, with Anna’s help is working with staff to solve specific problems and helping citizens to overcome a stalled process. We specialize in relieving frustration.

I see that the draft charter being proposed by the Freeholders would minimize the role of county commissioners to become a part time job and place a barrier between commissioners and staff. That proposal goes so far as to define us working with our team in this way as malfeasance and cause for recall.

It would be a disaster to relegate the role of commissioners to become mere general rule makers and trap citizens into dealing exclusively with a greatly expanded unelected fourth branch of government. We have a very helpful friendly staff now. But citizens have told me that not many years ago, trying to get building permits was like dealing with the Gestapo.

As is, our local government serves the people. The proposed charter, if passed, over time, would set the stage to turn that upside down with citizens serving the government."

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ask the County staff how they feel about his working directly with him. The WAY he works directly with them.

MacBook auto correct has a mind of its own.

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 6:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

King County is the second in the nation for growth, where some WA counties are actually "dying:"

Is that why it gets the lion's share of the project pot?

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

In no way am I in favor of adolescent tobacco use, adult either for that matter (and I'm a smoker). I would, however, care to point out something the article missed, and then go off on a bit of a rant ;^)

Adolescent tobacco use (as well as adult) has been in decline over the past 40 years. In 1975 29% of high school seniors reportedly smoked cigarettes. In 2010 the reported number was 10% (I don't have today's number handy).

Undoubtedly this reduction is largely a result of educational efforts.

Something else to consider is, the article's about illegal sales from legal retailers. Though there is a tobacco black-market its shape and form doesn't resemble that of illegal drugs from dope peddlers. A market that isn't regulated in the least; SWAT raids not with standing.

So, I must wonder if cannabis was regulated like tobacco (and the black-market virtually wiped out) what effect that would have on adolescent cannabis use. Which, BTW, has been on the rise.

NIDA tells us the rise is due to a decreased perception of risk associated with smoking pot (among teens). And this, too, has me wondering. The pendulum has swung from Reefer Madness and Assasin of Youth! to "They were lying the whole time!"

If the Marihuana Tax Act and the CSA were never passed what percentage of high school seniors would be reporting cannabis use?

I dunno...for some reason I found the article a bit disingenuous because it almost hit me as yellow journalism - a manufactured hysteria of sorts. Maybe I oughta go have a smoke and mellow out?

Drift — March 28, 2014 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjac, I think it would be scarier if they weren't fired, says the acid dropping flight deck crewman. ;^)

Oh, and back to that tobacco thing: I was going to mention procuring cigarettes for my parents as a child. No note, just a quarter and instructions to bring back a pack of Camels (or Chesterfields).

But heck, I was buying smokes for myself when I was 16. And, you may note, that was back in the day when Johnny Carson had a lit cigarette burning on his desk. 'Course, back then around 40% of adults smoked.

Drift — March 28, 2014 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The complaint about the difficulty in obtaining a county permit for even something as simple as building a deck on the back of one’s house is one I’ve heard before. Good for Madore for actually taking citizens’ complaints seriously. If a county employee detests working for Madore, then maybe they ought to just move on. It’s a pretty good guess that county employees in Planning, Environment, and Social Services are Democrats in the first place and don’t like a Republican who is actually asking questions instead of just rubber stamping. An entrenched bureaucracy does not like change.

kn_dalai — March 28, 2014 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another republican rubber stamping Madore's actions, and of all things, citing Madore's, willingness to take "citizens complaints seriously".

Ya gotta love it!

If he took the majority of citizens complaints seriously, he'd leave office.

nailingit — March 28, 2014 at 12:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 28, 2014 at 5:28 a.m.

I don't think a 'best' is possible as it relates to guitar playing.

Although to my mind in this genre, I can't think of a single electric guitar category that Hendrix didn't dominate. Hell, he created most of them.

Hendrix was a self deprecating soul who lavished praise on other guitarists while laying aside his own genius. He did praise Gibbons as a great upncomer, as well as Terry Hath and others. And consider Buddy Guy, in many ways Jimi's mentor. I heard Eric Clapton say Guy was a better guitar player than he is. (Guy has great tone & style, but that's like saying BB King is better than Johnny Winter-Apples & Oranges at best.) Take it with a bag of rock salt and O-Sunshine when superstars throw accolades on one another.

I guess many times it comes down to taste. But something I believe all guitar players & aficionado's can agree on...

There will never be another Hendrix.

There used to be a much larger volume of Jimi's concert footage on youtube. Sorry to see so much removed.

I suppose it all boils dow to what makes, "your big toe shoot up in your boot".

nailingit — March 28, 2014 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So, kn_dalai, I just decided I want to stick a deck on the back of this ol' shack. Beings I'm a law abiding citizen and all, I took a look to see what doing it by the book would cost me.

Here we got us our Minor Residential Project Application:

Well, there goes an additional 350 bones. Wait, but wait! There's more! Just to have someone take a look at my plan will dock me another 164 bucks! Mmm, reaching for the calculator...that comes to around 500 shekels. Okay, I suppose if I go with the cheap lumber and stain...

A plot plan they're asking for? I can go to the darned assessors website and get the plot plan. I'd think they could, too - I mean, for 500 bones, right?

I gotta show 'em my mortgage paperwork? Okay, no biggie.

I used to do a bit of drafting. I could sharpen up the ol' number two and give them a plan drawing. Something (twice) to approximate scale. Again, not a thing.

Stormwater application? Uh oh. Oh, wait, here it is!

Uh... it's a deck. Lets see, the planks will be 8" wide, there will be 14 of them with a 1/4" gap between... Uh. Hang on. That permit is for "impervious surfaces." Obviously, my deck will be pervious. Where can I find the pervious form? The website search thing took me to Google! What the...

Nope. I quit.
I'l just go start setting my pillar blocks and keep my money. Thanks.

Too bad I couldn't have just gone and dropped a c-note off with my sketch and address. They've done gone and made a criminal of me, I tell ya. When they catch me I want a #1 board with Thompson's Water Seal on it! I won't gag and gurgle with nothing less!

Drift — March 28, 2014 at 2:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift: You make your point very well. You knew, of course, that the streamlining and fee waiver process is only for commercial projects.

Homeowners are subsidizing the likes of Walmart right now.

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I can positively guarantee there was NO permit applied for or issued for the pre stone age art form that was on the back of this house when we bought it. It was obvious not all boys took shop class...or even thought there a need to read the directions for mixing about a zillion bags of cement, which was supplimented with rocks the size of your fist. And that just describes the 'pylons' and 'dividers' the size of a foundation or retaining wall. Then there were 8 sections of untreated 2x4's of differing lenghts with regular nails popping up all over that was layed atop the conglomeration of cement shapes. Having to deal with that unsafe mess long enought to bust it apart and haul off could make one admit requiring a permit might have it's merit.

jacjak — March 28, 2014 at 4:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Seems Glenn Beck is upset because the new film 'Noah' is 'anti-human'.

Well duh.... as only 8 humans out of all living humanity is purported to have survived the biblical version of Noah' story, I'd say the film probably could be portrayed as a little bit 'anti-human'.

jacjak — March 28, 2014 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This is either good irony or a prime 'oh, snap'.

jacjak — March 28, 2014 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — March 28, 2014 at 11:31 a.m.

Like the Aflac duck says --- you quack me up!

Why would someone quit their job because they don't like working for Madork? Just wait two more years and he'll be gone. Besides, he doesn't listen to what the employees say anyway. He tells them what he wants to hear and that's what he hears, regardless of what they say.

Hawkman — March 28, 2014 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I hadn't noticed this before, a Columbian blog called 'The Cannabis Chronicles'.

nailingit — March 28, 2014 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Interesting blog by Sue Vorenberg.

Speaking of blogs, I sometimes check out he who shall not be named's one. Not Lew Waters. I'll name his. I have actually had some reasonable exchanges with Waters. But that's another story. :)

Anyway, this one today has been pulled all of a sudden. The topic was Lou B's FB posting about the editorial meeting he had today with three local Repubs: Paul Harris, Liz Pike, and Brandon Vick. In it, Brancaccio claims that Harris will not run for County Commissioner and that none of the three seemed to want to claim a cozy relationship with Madore, Mielke, or Benton. We all know how it helped Jeanne Stewart, Frank Decker and Micheline Doane. : D

The big surprise was that Liz Pike reported that "a group is forming both D's and R's from Washington and Oregon to look for common ground to get our I-5 bridge replaced." No one was thrilled about the East County bridge idea, either.

Back to the missing blog post:

The blogger-who-shall-not-be-named (I fear bad Karma if I do) got a little threatening (ever see that with him before?) to Liz Pike and any other Repub who dares to try to revive the CRC.

Did someone in the Republican party ask him to cool it with his criticism for the good of the order? He does not seem to be someone who backs down for anyone, probably not even his grandma, if she is still alive.

Anyone else see his post today?

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 7:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Reading the Tweets tonight at the Democratic meeting to nominate Stuart's replacement.

Craig Pridemore has the most votes. Kelly Love Parker second. Run off now between Lentz and Barnes.

David Madore, it seems, is going to challenge the results of this meeting anyway, because he claims it violates the bylaws.

Never a dull moment in Clark County.

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ed Barnes is third choice.

I somehow think M and M are going to pick Barnes. Pridemore says he will run in November, regardless.

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You might go check Mike Briggs' facebook page. Betty Sue Morris is telling people this process violates someone's bylaws (the local Dem party?). It seems 10 days written notice is required for tonight's process to take place.

roger — March 28, 2014 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: The Tweets mentioned that there was a group that challenged the legality of this vote tonight. Was Betty Sue among them? They went ahead anyway.

Madore is allegedly going to pick up on this dissension and challenge the outcome.

They will just vote again and get the same results, I think.

Who do you think Madore and Mielke will choose?

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Lew Waters and friends spent a couple of days calling Barnes a union thug (I'm glad to hear the guy has a redeeming side), and now have moved on to the Tesoro project. Our recently departed member is telling everyone she's a registered Repub. Hmmm... didn't she deny same here a while back?

roger — March 28, 2014 at 8:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Who do you think Madore and Mielke will choose?

manthou — March 28, 2014 at 8:34 p.m

Anyone they think they can manipulate or bully!

Hawkman — March 28, 2014 at 8:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm thinking they'll put it off for a while and contest the process. I believe there's some controversy about the RCW and the State Constitution being in disagreement? Personally, I think they've got this whole thing going down wrong. I've read where if only one Commissioner is being replaced, then the remaining two select the replacement - no requirement mentioned that the person has to be from the same party, or being from a slate offered by that party. This requirement is mentioned elsewhere, when discussing elected officials, and I think applies only when those offices are partisan ones. (Sheriff, Auditor, etc.)

I'm voting for them to pick the dark horse - Kelly Parker. She represents Business - there just may be a common ground to be reached. Pridemore has a legitimacy and common sense (something Stuart had a shortage of) that would be way too much of a threat to them, even as a minority faction. And Ed Barnes would give them headaches.

roger — March 28, 2014 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger they will not pick Kelly Parker. She is ICC. They do not want the power she thinks she has. I still go for Pridemore.

timerick — March 28, 2014 at 9:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou what is C-Tran trying to hide? This does not look good for them or our mayor.

timerick — March 28, 2014 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: Good question you pose above. I am glad the Columbian is pressing the legal issue of public records and that email Leavitt accidentally forwarded. This is an expensive thing for them to do on the public's behalf, you know. :) Maybe it will rehabilitate The Columbian in the eyes of some readers. If they were biased in favor of C-Tran, as so many have alleged, they would have let it slide and we would be no wiser for it.

If something illegal or unethical was done by C-Tran staff or contractors, the taxpayers have a right to know.

Bottom line: don't do stupid stuff (and then try to hide it). Brancaccio's campaign works for everyone.

manthou — March 29, 2014 at 5:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou if the Columbian follows through with this and prints all answers we need they might just gain a little respect back. I think from reading Lou's piece today it looks like he may be realizing there are other people other than his chosen few. And maybe some of those that he has supported are not as clean as he would have us believe.

timerick — March 29, 2014 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This should be rich! No doubt this is a story that will have legs in the coming weeks. Names, Faces and E-mails..oh my!

-Republicans Must Turn Over Emails On North Carolina Voting Law, Federal Judge Rules-

WASHINGTON -- Any race-related emails that North Carolina Republicans may have sent in connection with the voter restrictions they passed last summer could soon be public, thanks to a ruling by a federal judge.

Before the Supreme Court's decision to strike down a key portion of the Voting Rights Act, simply demonstrating a discriminatory impact could be enough to overturn a discriminatory law. Now, in order to have North Carolina's voting law struck down, civil rights groups and the Justice Department have to demonstrate that state lawmakers deliberately engaged in racial discrimination against voters.

The sweeping law requires voters to show certain forms of photo identification, eliminates same-day registration and reduces early voting -- all measures which voting rights advocates say are intended to make it harder for Democratic-leaning minorities to vote.

The emails sent by legislators are crucial to proving racial motivations played some role in the legislation.

North Carolina wanted to keep legislator emails secret. But U.S. Magistrate Judge Joi Elizabeth Peake ruled Thursday that the state couldn't withhold all the emails. She did, however, say that North Carolina might be able to argue that emails only between legislators and their staffers could be kept private.

Of course, if legislators have nothing to hide about the motivations for passing the restrictive laws, they can individually waive their legislative immunity, as Peake noted.

Voting rights advocates welcomed the judge's decision.

"North Carolinians have a right to know what motivated their lawmakers to make it harder for them to vote," Dale Ho, director of the ACLU's Voting Rights Project, said in a statement. "Legislators should not be shrouding their intentions in secrecy. The people deserve better."

In previous voting rights cases, legislator emails have demonstrated racial motivations. A legislator in South Carolina replied "Amen" when a constituent compared black voters to a “swarm of bees going after a watermelon," while in Texas, a Republican member of Congress acknowledged wanting to move a country club from a heavily Hispanic district into his own, in order to increase the number of white voters.

nailingit — March 29, 2014 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree - Hopefully The Columbian will pursue this issue, and ask hard questions if the release is ruled against. (I'm curious about Mayor Leavitt forwarding the e-mail to the City's attorney, and claiming he forgot who he was dealing with.)

We've been focusing on the C-Tran Board for the past couple of years and ignoring the actions of the hired help. The TriMet agreement is what many will be thinking this is about. Me - I'm just as interested in how C-Tran can get away with selling the 4th Plain BRT to the Feds to get New Starts funding, when it's been cut back to being nothing but an expanded capacity bus route. (But I doubt that's the topic, so....)

roger — March 29, 2014 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The Ramones - We're A Happy Family

roger — March 29, 2014 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 9:58 am: Leavitt forwarded the email to Eric Holmes, who is the city manager, not the city attorney. That raises even more questions to me. I can see sharing with an attorney, but why the city manager? Did he do it accidentally or accidentally on purpose? What did the email have to do with the day-to-day operations of the city? That would be the only reason to forward it to Holmes.

timerick: Count on the Columbian coming down hard and relentless if the email, if revealed, points to wrong-doing. No one is exempt when journalism is responsible. Even if it isn't revealed, you can better believe there will be some digging going on.

manthou — March 29, 2014 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Whether it points to any wrong doing or not it is more bad press for C-Tran. I am of the thought that maybe some house cleaning may be in order. I have thought that for some time way before this happened. If you build a house of cards it will come down some day. I hope our mayor is doing some back checking. I agree with you manthou on accidentally on purpose. Although I don't see what his purpose might be. TriMet contract?

timerick — March 29, 2014 at 10:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timmerick and manthou-

OK, what did I miss? What email are you guys talking about from Timmy?

Hawkman — March 29, 2014 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk it is on the front page today. A email that was sent but not intended to go any farther that went farther. We don't know what was in it.

timerick — March 29, 2014 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I cannot find it either, Timerick. Can someone point me with a link?

luvithere — March 29, 2014 at 11:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

It is in the latest news section titled C-Tran sues to hide forwarded email.

timerick — March 29, 2014 at 11:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

FB commenter Marsha Cutter nicely expresses my own sentiments about LouLou’s weekly hit piece.

Old LouLou there, opens today’s salvo with the usual Leftist tripe about working together, moving forward, and so on and so forth, which is all fine a dandy, until one understands this is just Leftist double speak for something like “you’re stupid if you don’t do what I want”.

So then after he’s got his readers all kumbaya-ed , he pulls the old Trojan Horse switcheroo! Yep. It’s really all about; Messrs. Mielke, Benton and Madore have got to go!!! (AHHH-HAHAHA! Who’d a thunk.?!) See? According to LouLou they’re “sucking the life out of this community”. Oh Puh-leeese.

Nope. They’re not. It’s about the messenger. Like when the CRC pushers blame Benton for stopping “progress”, but of course, conveniently ignore that the vast majority of county voters don’t want lite rail in Clark County.

What’s it goin’ to be next week? The good ship lollipop is sinking? End of world times is near?

Sorry there LouLou, but some of us have read Virgil. Shame on you.

kn_dalai — March 29, 2014 at 11:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

[cognitive bias]

nailingit — March 29, 2014 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — March 29, 2014 at 11:47 a.m.

Huh, so I guess it's OK with you that the County stops charging park fees, reducing the income of the County, and stops the fees associated with new construction, drastically reducing the income of the County- in the millions, and then set soon to be former Senator Benton up in a cushy job and charge him with creating fees and fines to pay penalties owed by the County? Seriously? A fine to the Columbian for littering? Give me a break. It's payback, pure and simple.

Prove to me that the Columbian is littering. And IF you can, prove to me that the Reflector isn't in the same boat.

You don't see something wrong with that?

Hawkman — March 29, 2014 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Looks as if Lou's column brought out all the usual suspects. I liked it today and even I got tired of the usual speech about the 2 commissioners and their sidekick.

I am getting tired of this county, honestly. We are here because we like it here. The nature, the whole thing. Out in the country, close to big city. We like it that way.

But this county and its politics...Yeesh. I am definitely liberal, but I am on the "other side" when it comes to the I5 bridge. And the light rail setup was just ridiculously stupid from the start. A train to nowhere, unusable for most of us. And for that, the bridge design had to be a certain way, etc.,etc.; and we here pay for the pleasure to be stuck again in traffic by large tolls. Sorry, couldn't buy into it.

And honestly, there is so much more to the county than downtown Vancouver. It's of no priority to me. My own town is, however. East County needs more say, we do not need to just pay for Vancouver's follies.

Having said all that, it really is time to have some decent conversations that involve all sides. We have been bickering back and forth and become more and more entrenched. Hasn't solved a thing yet, so why not try to get together?

Starting to think retirement options here (although got over a decade or more left. Just thinking...). Wondering if a move away might be good? You know, a place where not everything costs a fortune? Less bitching maybe?

Once can dream.

luvithere — March 29, 2014 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"...and stops the fees associated with new construction, drastically reducing the income of the County- in the millions..."
Hawkman — March 29, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.

Impact fees are exclusively to cover the portion of costs of providing services to the new development. Additional sewer and water mains, traffic signals, wider streets, merge points, emergency services, etc. The services STILL have to be provided to the new development, but now WHO pays?? Just giving a waiver does not make them disappear. The taxpayer pays, that's who. While these fees were passed along to the Public when the new project was for public use, such as a municipal building or library, but private development has traditionally always paid the additional impact of their for-profit developments.

So yeah, Lou is probably closer to right as to who it is sucking on the teat of the community for their Big Give Away than anyone who tries to convince those who actually are payiny for the impact that it's all hunky dory to do so.

jacjak — March 29, 2014 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 29, 2014 at 2:24 p.m.

I am actually still waiting for the floodgates of good jobs and a decent analysis of how we advanced and made the county better due to giving these developers such a nice break.

luvithere — March 29, 2014 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 1:35 pm: confirmation bias, no doubt, too. :) Google it.

luvithere: I keep looking for greener political pastures, too. The only other option is to stop caring about the shenanigans of elected officials. Might need a lobotomy for that, though.

luvithere and jacjak: You need to listen to Board Time last Wednesday. It's on the Grid. Madore's tortured plan for the data he is not getting to support the success of his fee waiver debacle makes me fear he will make it up. Someone needs to run it by a statistician or competent research scientist for accuracy of methods.

manthou — March 29, 2014 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 29, 2014 at 2:14 p.m.

Gee - That's what I've been saying.

roger — March 29, 2014 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — March 29, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.

Hey, just ask one of the Walton family. They might even thank you for the millions they got!

Hawkman — March 29, 2014 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Starting to think retirement options here (although got over a decade or more left. Just thinking...). Wondering if a move away might be good? You know, a place where not everything costs a fortune? Less bitching maybe?
Once can dream.
luvithere — March 29, 2014 at 2:14 p.m.

Well, there's always Texas. Stay away from Houston and things, including housing, gets mighty, even. However, any dissenting views, much less whining, leads to the gallows or beheading, depending on who you piss off.

jacjak — March 29, 2014 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — March 29, 2014 at 7:04 p.m.

That would be the "He NEEDED killing" law?


Hawkman — March 29, 2014 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

-4 Senators Mauled During Congressional Tiger Show-

WASHINGTON—Four United States senators are reportedly recovering in Washington-area hospitals today following a shocking and grisly incident Thursday night, when a 480-pound male tiger brutally mauled the elected officials in front of a full audience at the nightly Congressional Exotic Live Tiger Show held in the senate chamber. “At the time of the incident, [Sen.] Dianne [Feinstein (D-CA)] and I were performing a routine flaming ring jump—a trick we’ve done hundreds of times during the show’s nine-year run—when Marduk, one of our white Bengal tigers, swatted her to the ground and then proceeded to clench her in his teeth and toss her around on the podium for several seconds,” said chief congressional tiger-master and two-term Georgia senator Saxby Chambliss, appearing deeply shaken as he explained how the tiger then leapt into the crowd and attacked Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Carl Levin (D-MI), and Pat Roberts (R-KS), dragging the latter by the neck out to the Capitol rotunda. “I still have no idea what went wrong. Marduk had been completely docile and compliant from the beginning of the show when I commanded him and [Siberian tiger] Georgina to stand up on their hind legs at the start of the Pledge of Allegiance, to when Mitch [McConnell] led him through his choreographed leaps across all 100 senate desks. It’s just a terrible tragedy.” In the wake of the incident, all upcoming live tiger shows have been canceled indefinitely, though congressional sources confirmed The Magic Of McCain Illusion Extravaganza would continue its twice-nightly performances as scheduled.,35645/

nailingit — March 29, 2014 at 10:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

you wanna see the future of vancouver & the 'c', take a look at today's los angeles. there isn't any republican/independent counter to the dem party in all of california, and the results are, like everything else in LA, glitterly and bigger.

the la times is the big city version of little 'c', the faithful dog prancing along at it's master's heel.

anybody want ANYTHING they've got.....?

crime so bad one newspaper prints a 'current crime hotspots' map...gangs....homeless....worst traffic in america....highest sales tax in taxes so high even renters struggle to keep the monthly roof over their heads..

and the pols spend their time thinking up new ways to spend OPM. until the source of political power no longer resides with just one party, that party's hand will never be pried off the lever of power. and, lacking incentive (if just for self-preservation), nothing will change

let's be thankful for what we've still got left.

DeeLittle — March 30, 2014 at 2:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Lou is at it again, litter patrol.

Talk about litter, I'll tell you about litter. Those C-Tran riders are the biggest litter bugs I have ever seen. Every day I pick up after them at the bus stop by my building. Cigarette butts, candy wrappers, food wrappers, clothing, broken toys, feces, you name it, I've picked it up because they have left it waiting for their bus. The funny thing is (not really) is that there is a garbage can right there within five steps of the stop and they can't seem to get their crap into the can. Now sometimes C-Tran hasn't emptied the can in a few days and it's overflowing but most of the time it's just lazy people. It's so much easier to just drop their crap on the sidewalk, I mean really, it's not like they have to clean it up. Maybe Benton should levy a litter fine on C-Tran, nah, that would be too easy.

Hawkman — March 30, 2014 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


NEVER have I picked up a newspaper from the bus stop.

Hawkman — March 30, 2014 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk: TriMet has an "Adopt a Stop" program because the trash cans get ignored. Maybe adding public art? Nah. On second thought, it will just get tagged.

I was on the Board of a non-profit with a bus stop in front of the building. We rotated on a daily clean up crew there. Daily, mind you. The can was virtually empty, but the grass around the stop: disaster zone.

Seems to me that stops in Portland don't look that bad.

I couldn't find something similar to Adopt a Stop at C Tran. Of course, that does nothing to change the behavior of the slobs who litter there. Some of my favorites are along Broadway in Uptown Village: I love watching people hock up their phlegm on the sidewalks or toss their cigarette butts on the ground as they wait for the bus when I walk by. My dog was burned by a tossed cigarette butt as she pranced by one day with me. She refuses to go that route anymore. Smart dog.

Why worry about light rail bringing in riff-raff when we have our own home-grown crew?

BTW, C Tran is re-routing southbound stops on Broadway to Washington Street soon to ease the human and bus congestion there. Look for the litter to expand West along that route now.

manthou — March 30, 2014 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, C Tran is re-routing southbound stops on Broadway to Washington Street soon to ease the human and bus congestion there. Look for the litter to expand West along that route now.

manthou — March 30, 2014 at 9:44 a.m.

Well, that will be fun. I see lots of people crossing the street from Southbound to Northbound buses everyday, that will give them a two block run. Oh well.

Hawkman — March 30, 2014 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Jayne's column today was better than most. It was half as long and used someone else's thoughts. A seemingly cathartic write reflective of his own parenting philosophy. Benign at best, benign at worst.

Getting bored with retirement yet John?


(I felt guilty for not criticizing Jayne for over a month)

nailingit — March 30, 2014 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 30, 2014 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Were Federal prosecutors behind anonymous comments on the Times-Picayune website? The newspaper is fighting to protect their identities.

Would the C do the same? Anonymous speech is still protected speech. :)

manthou — March 31, 2014 at 9:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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