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Vancouver city officials are recommending the city council approve a replacement Interstate 5 bridge that looks something like this. (Columbia River Crossing)

Vancouver city officials are recommending the city council approve a replacement Interstate 5 bridge that looks something like this. (Columbia River Crossing)
Tuesday, May 13, 2008
By JEFFREY MIZE, Columbian staff writer

Build a new Interstate 5 bridge, bring light rail across the Columbia River and end the line along the freeway’s east side near Clark College.

Vancouver transportation officials made that recommendation to the city council Monday.

It is believed to be the first time a local government in the Portland-Vancouver region has received a recommendation for what could be a $4.1 billion package of bridge, highway and transit improvements.

“This is not a council position,” said Thayer Rorabaugh, Vancouver’s transportation manager. “(But) we believe this is the direction the city ought to be going.”

The city council took no action Monday. A public hearing tentatively has been scheduled for June 30, with the council scheduled to vote July 7 on what bridge planners call a “locally preferred alternative.”

Rorabaugh and Matt Ransom, city transportation planning manager, raced through a series of reasons for their recommendation during a 45-minute presentation that left little time for questions and no time for council discussion.

Transportation planners will return for a full two-hour work session with the council at 4 p.m. June 2.

Rorabaugh told council members that light rail has the ability to attract more riders than bus rapid transit and would eliminate the need for commuters to transfer at the Expo Center in north Portland, where the current yellow MAX line ends.

City transportation officials settled on the Clark College terminus because it has the lowest construction cost per rider and could be built entirely with Federal Transit Administration dollars, he said. The terminus could be near Interstate 5 at the former visitors center north of Mill Plain Boulevard.

Putting a station there also could provide convenient connections to other high-capacity transit lines — light rail, bus rapid transit, commuter rail, streetcars and maybe even monorails — that would serve other parts of Vancouver and Clark County.

City officials also recommend a two-way couplet for light rail in downtown Vancouver, with northbound trains on Broadway and southbound transit on Washington Street.

Planners believe each street is wide enough to accommodate two-way auto traffic along with a single light-rail track, although some parking would be lost.

A light-rail couplet would bracket Main Street and could encourage retail development along a street that today falls short of its iconic name. It also would allow for more flexible traffic circulation and avoid a perceived 30-foot wide barrier created with side-by-side light-rail tracks.

Transit is only one piece of the Columbia River Crossing project. A draft environmental impact statement released this month evaluates two bridge options: building an entirely new crossing or retaining the existing spans for northbound freeway traffic and erecting a smaller supplemental bridge for southbound traffic.

Vancouver officials rattled off a list of reasons why they believe a replacement bridge is the best option:

  • More congestion relief, particularly for northbound freeway traffic.
  • Greater overall safety and better river navigation.
  • Improved seismic stability and freight mobility because there would no longer be a drawbridge.
  • A smaller bridge footprint and the ability for a superior downtown street network.
  • A reduction in greenhouse gas emissions over a supplemental bridge option because there would be less pollution produced by idling vehicles stuck in traffic.

 

1. Comment by Jim Jones - May 12, 2008 @ 08:00 PM
Portland cabs have already taken over in Vancouver, why not let Portland's light rail in too. Heck, all that will be left is for TriMet to buy out CTran.

So much for Vancouver being it's own city.

2. Comment by g kortes - May 12, 2008 @ 09:35 PM
I love it! Give us a park and ride at Clark College, too! My exception is I think it's stupid to tear down the existing bridge. Instead, leave it intact and construct a south bound bridge.

3. Comment by Allen Hoff - May 12, 2008 @ 10:00 PM
One thing I don't understand is how many lanes of traffic will be on the bridge. But the same amount of lanes will have to be from Ridgefield all the way south of the I5 and 205 junction.

Otherwise we will still have a mess with congestion. Have these so called experts thought of that? I sure hope so, but I doubt that they have.

4. Comment by Bender Bending R. - May 12, 2008 @ 11:17 PM
'More congestion relief, particularly for northbound freeway traffic.'

Yet even John Laird of the Columbian admits that there is NO STUDY proving that Light Rail has ever reduced congestion.

'A reduction in greenhouse gas emissions'

Vancouver officials seem to have missed the memo on the fact that AGW has been now proven false and just another Liberal Political hoax.

5. Comment by Ace High - May 13, 2008 @ 07:03 AM
Vancouver officials seem to have missed the memo on the fact that AGW has been now proven false and just another Liberal Political hoax.>>>>>>

John McCain seems to have missed that memo also according to his speech in Portland last night.

6. Comment by Will Bridge - May 13, 2008 @ 11:34 AM
So many people see this as a colossal waste of money. I certainly hope this is put to a VOTE of the people of Clark county before it is rammed down our throats!

7. Comment by Will Bridge - May 13, 2008 @ 11:46 AM
This is just a way to try to justify the MILLIONS of dollars that have been thrown away in the downtown area on Pollard's Hilton fiasco. The Columbian is also guilty of wanting this to help get tenants in their mostly empty palace.

8. Comment by Brian Magers - May 13, 2008 @ 01:50 PM
Why would anyone be against light rail into Vancouver? I read and hear many people complain, but I have never heard on single person give out a REASON for not having it. It's not like it's going to be bringing people from Portland over, it would only be used by those who live in Clark to work and shop in Portland, how would that be a bad thing?

I read one person say no studies have been done to show that it could lower traffic congestion... That's probably because common sense dictates that if more people have access to mass transit, then it would obviously lower congestion.

Another says keep the old bridge. Why? It will cost LESS to build a new bridge and it will get rid of the draw bridge. Did you realize, and I mean REALLY realize this is an INTERSTATE bridge that has a draw portion to it? Did you also realize this bridge is past it's stated use? Meaning, it has already gone beyond it's engineered timeframe of life. Did you realize if we simply add to the existing bridge, we'll have to tear it all down in 20-30 years anyways?

We need this. I have watched this discussion for over 22 years now and FINALLY people are getting this going and people want to derail this over nothing. Please, let this go through, we should be able to drive across that bridge anytime of the day or night without stopping and we should be able to take the Max from Vancouver to Portland as it saves GAS, EMISSIONS, and TIME.

9. Comment by Brian Magers - May 13, 2008 @ 01:52 PM
Oh, and did anyone catch the fact that the light rail to Clark College would be paid by FEDERAL DOLLARS?

10. Comment by Brian Magers - May 13, 2008 @ 01:56 PM
Will, this has been in talks WAY, WAY before the downtown Hilton deal.

Besides, did you read the portion that said it would be paid by FEDERAL money?

11. Comment by Randy Mars - May 13, 2008 @ 03:09 PM
OK, here's a plan for all of you that want a light rail over the Columbia. Build a new bridge over the old one and turn the old bridge into a light rail bridge and a bike bridge. For anyone who says a new bridge can't be built over the old one hasn't traveled over the Fremont lately. Regarding light rail, I have not ridden light rail since it came to PDX and I am headquartered downtown (North PDX). Problem is I am an outside salesman that needs to meet my clients on their schedule and so far no public transportation will accommodate my customers. Yes, the powers that be think they know what's best for us and a light rail line will eventually be brought to Vancouver at an obscene cost to the taxpayers. Of course there are those who will mention that the money comes from the Federal government, but where does the money from the Federal government come from? Don't forget the new toll to cross this new bridge. Can you imagine adding a cost of $5.00 to $??.?? per day for the employee in the Oregon area who can't afford the cost of a gallon of gas as it sits today and can't ride "public transportation" because it doesn't travel when he needs it. I know that this has been voted down every time it was presented to the voters and would be again so don't expect the overlords to let the peons have a voice in what is best for them. So much for rambling but, what about a bus line to actually transport people?

12. Comment by Chris Young - May 13, 2008 @ 04:25 PM
Stopping at Clark College is like going to the County Fair, paying full admission, and only getting to go through the gate before being stopped. If you are going to do light rail, it should be with only three stops in Washington: Clark College, 99th Street, and I5/1205 junction. This would allow C-Tran to connect to existing hubs and would maximize the use of the system. Stopping at Clark would not eliminate the need for express bus service to downtown Portland. Connecting to existing park and rides at 99th Street and Salmon Creek would allow C-tran to cut those routes.

13. Comment by Bender Bending R. - May 13, 2008 @ 05:10 PM
Ace,

John McCain has jumped on to the Global Warming lie to get votes and there are a lot of dumb democrats that will vote for him due to his position.

14. Comment by Bender Bending R. - May 13, 2008 @ 05:15 PM
Brian Magers,

REASONS AGAINST LIGHT RAIL

1. It is much slower than the bus. 2. Crimial activity uses it to distribute drugs. 3. The construction costs are 4 times of bus systems and the operating expenses have been understanted. 4. Light Rail takes money away from other projects such as bridges in Minn. that ended up killing people. 5. Ridership of the system is very low compaired to bus systems. 6. The system is fixed and cannot move with population.

I could go on and on. Let me know if you need more reasons to see the light on the failed Light Rail.

15. Comment by David Hintz - May 13, 2008 @ 08:03 PM
Where goes light rail, so go the commuting criminals and street homeless. Prowl some cars, rob some houses, then hop on the MAX and change jurisdictions.

16. Comment by Busta Rhymes - May 13, 2008 @ 10:09 PM
"1. It is much slower than the bus."

Unless the bus is stuck in traffic

"2. Crimial activity uses it to distribute drugs."

Why? Because you heard a couple sensational news stories on drug dealing in the fareless square area of downtown Portland? You get one guess as to how drugs are moved from Mexico up the I-5 corridor. I'll make it easy: it ain't light rail.

"3. The construction costs are 4 times of bus systems and the operating expenses have been understanted."

Yes it's expensive, it's called upgrading our infrastructure to compete with the rest of the globe.

"4. Light Rail takes money away from other projects such as bridges in Minn. that ended up killing people."

You know what takes money away from other projects? Pointless wars costing, currently upwards of $600 billion (i.e. Iraq), tax breaks to the wealthy, neglecting our infrastructure to the point which a hurricane totals an entire city, etc.

"5. Ridership of the system is very low compaired to bus systems."

Compared to what?

"6. The system is fixed and cannot move with population."

Yeah, so are roads.

17. Comment by Bender Bending R. - May 13, 2008 @ 11:13 PM
Busta,

1. Direct buses to downtown Portland from Gresham were faster than current Light Rail by 40%.

2. Crime has been an issue since the line opened and not admiting it was and is an issue for Tri-Met.

3. Light Rail has never helped with competing with the 'world' since it inceases commute times.

4. Tax breaks to ALL people in 2002 and 2003 resulted in large increases in Gov. revenue. Don't try to use Liberal biased non-fact based points please, it only hurts your point.

5. Compared to bus systems that it replaced!!!! Was that a hard statement for your to understand.

6. Roads are flexible transportation since you can remove them and they can be expanded cheaply.

Bring better Rhymes next time.

18. Comment by Portland Portland - May 14, 2008 @ 11:21 AM
There's one tiny issue that a number of commentators here seems to overlook. Portlanders, myself included, are not willing to fund a multi billion dollar bridge - that provides so little direct personal benefit to most Portlanders (except on my way to Seattle) - that enables Vancouverites to pour more cars into Portland for decades to come. This bridge will be there for decades. We're not willing to shut out a clean transit option into the Couve for decades because you don't want to pay a few pennies more on the rare occasions you pay sales tax in your own state. You want a new bridge to Vancouver? You want Portlanders to help fund it? Then you’re going to have to accept light rail.

19. Comment by Bender Bending R. - May 14, 2008 @ 02:36 PM
Portland Portland,

We don't want the new bridge, you seem to have missed that memo, the CRC and local Gov't officials are the only ones pushing for it. You can keep failed crime filled Light Rail and I will wave to you as I pass you by while you are being mugged.

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