David Madore

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Land, labor and capital keys to Clark County's economy

Nicely written article. Then you polluted it with the Columbian's propaganda to push the CRC Light Rail Crossing project that poses the greatest threat to private businesses in Clark County. That was a very foolish move.

Failure to understand the difference between public and private jobs is killing private businesses. Lou, your staff used poor judgment by ending that good article with the fallacy that Light Rail is a significant solution that will create private jobs.

On average, 1 public job consumes 8 private jobs in the form of taxes and lost resources. Government cannot deficit spend its way out of this recession by squandering our infrastructure money on multibillion dollar boondoggles that when done leave us with 2 congested bridges across the Columbia and nothing left for to build a 3rd and 4th bridge. It certainly will not help to mortgage our future, raise the cost of living, and increase the burdens borne by private businesses.

There, you got me going again with your foolish boondoggle propaganda. The Columbian staff ought to stop selling us out to Tim Leavitt and his private job killing pet project. The CRC Light Rail Crossing plan to suck a million dollars per day out of our local economy for tolls is not the solution to creating private jobs in this county. That boondoggle is the very project that will sabotage and sink our county beyond recovery. Please stop promoting it especially in articles like this where it is not the subject.

May 22, 2011 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

NotBuyinIt - Nicely put. And Lou, you are doing well to stimulate the conversation in a productive direction.

I suggest that we include both sides of the coin, businesses that have received government handouts and those that receive extra burdens as the result of government policies.

I have not said much about it. But since this is the topic, it seems appropriate that I share one reason that manufacturing businesses may choose not to locate to Washington. Manufacturing usually requires lots of expensive equipment. The US cannot compete with the rest of the world by having people manufacture things with their hands. The cost of our labor is 100 times that of some other countries.

Equipment provides the means of production. But we pay property tax on every piece of equipment. It amounts to a kind of penalty for possessing it. US Digital has dozens of expensive machines. Each one may cost the price of a house or several houses. Each production machine is taxes every year as though it was one or more house worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. When you look at our production area, try imagining each machine as a tax burden with a property tax bill every year. Our competitors in some other states and in most other countries are not penalized by possessing the means of production like we are.

You may find a couple 2 minute videos fascinating. One shows one of our labor intensive processes shot from viewpoints that are almost unimaginable. The other gives some glimpses of the production equipment. See:
http://youtu.be/nTlti3kLtsg

As the indoor helicopter pans around in this 2nd video, imagine the annual property tax bills we pay on all those machines you see there as houses:

http://youtu.be/ZOpnK533ykw

I can tell you that we chose to avoid Oregon 21 years ago when we moved from California because of their business burdening policies and taxes. The main reason few companies like ours remain is the US is because our government has made it too impractical to remain. How many companies actually manufacture here in Vancouver and export to the world? I hope to remain here and help our community and country to be strong. But know that continues to grow more difficult.

May 22, 2011 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

Striker991 - Of course public participation in community entertainment is fine and to be enjoyed. Many public things are good and have their place. Surely you don't think that I am opposed to various different public services including entertainment.

Public - definition: a body of people sharing some common interest; open to common or general use such as an inn or house of entertainment

The definition is too broad to be relevant here. We need to be specific or you will end up with absurd logic with such simplistic thinking. Again, you are advocating for deficit spending to construct and then incur an annual financial loss for our county government to provide new entertainment. And you want to use the force of law to take funds from private entertainment businesses and give those funds to government entertainment.

That is very different than enjoying a public concert that is funded by voluntary donations from the public.

May 22, 2011 at 12:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

Striker991 - You are not making much sense. I like to dance. That's good entertainment. But around the issue? You must be thinking one thing and saying another.

In any case, you are not expressing your thoughts clear enough to be understood. Please explain what you mean.

May 22, 2011 at 12:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

Striker991 - Somehow you are reading something that is not there. If you think I am opposed to entertainment, you are completely wrong. Ballets, orchestra concerts, and the dramatic arts are all terrific and we should enjoy them. Private businesses and public charities do a good job at providing that.

Attacking the messenger is counterproductive and undermines your credibility. The issue here is extending the role of Clark County government to include entertainment and funding that new role with deficit spending.

By the way, Jeanne Stewart and Tom Mielke are keepers and need our support. They respect citizen's right to vote and to be faithfully represented.

May 21, 2011 at 11:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

Nailingit

Diatribe defintion - thunderous verbal attack.
Enough with the exaggeration.

I am glad you are enjoying our neighborhood parks that are available for us to provide our own entertainment. We all ought to do that. We already pay for those with our property taxes.

But you are advocating for a new government role where it provides the entertainment. That goes far beyond neighborhood parks. Keep in mind our heritage of limited government.

We should all be aware that every level of government is in trouble with deficit spending. We must live within our means if we are to have a financially solvent future.

Do we really want to mortgage our grandchildren's future one project at a time? Shouldn't each generation should balance their own budget and not pass the debt onto the next generation?

May 21, 2011 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

nailingit - So you are advocating for a financial loss because you want government to provide entertainment.

Socialism definition: a system of government where the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system.

May 21, 2011 at 4:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

Duckman – Using your prices, if they sold 500 beers and 1000 hot dogs and charged for 1000 cars per game, that would gross half a million bucks per year. From that, you subtract the cost of materials and the pay for the people selling them, then you have a little more to pay for the loan and perhaps some to cover the cost of selling and collecting tickets. Where's the rest going to come from?

Since county taxpayers are paying 70% of the cost of the loan, does their agreement give the county 70% of the gross from those concessions? I don’t think so.

May 21, 2011 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I’m guilty of loving baseball

Check the math. If the county goes $16 million in debt to build a $23 million stadium and plans to pay that money back in 20 years at 6.9%, the annual payment would be $1.23 million. Over 20 years, the loan would cost $29.5 million with interest. That does not include bond setup charges or other fees. See for yourself. Plug in the numbers at:
http://www.yona.com/loan/

Principle: = $16,000,000
Interest (APR) = 6.9%
Number of payments = 240 (monthly payments for 20 years)
Compounding = Monthly
Then click Amortize.

If the average game sold 2000 tickets averaging $15 each for 38 games per season, that would gross total $1.14 million per year. That does not cover the cost of the loan, employees, operations, maintenance, security, or insurance, and leaves nothing to pay the team, and no profit for the private company. Then add the cost for the government to collect and enforce the tax, and periodically audit the entertainment industry.

Are there 2000 people in our community that have and extra $570 of disposable income? A lot of people like baseball. But does this make financial sense? Does this help our businesses that are already here?

May 21, 2011 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Older and out of a job

Mangoboy – Well done. You are making some sense. I agree with you. People can smell and are repulsed by a phony, holier-than-thou attitude, hypocrite, and the like. I had to look up the definition for charlatan.

Charlatan definition: a flamboyant deceiver; one who attracts customers with tricks or jokes

You are right that the world has such people, counterfeits or misguided souls with a spirit of religion that turns people off. We all know that counterfeit money exists and that it disappoints and rips people off. Yet we would be wrong to reject genuine money as a result.

I apologize for the disappointment and disillusionment that it sounds like you suffered because of poor examples. Please do not let the exceptions trump the genuine. I think we all have had multiple encounters with people who say one thing, but do another. Yet hopefully, we also have encountered inspiring people who authentically live to please their Maker, whose love for God is demonstrated by their genuine love and respect for people, all people unconditionally.

You will find that we are all flawed and fall short. But hopefully we are growing and our lives reveal servants hearts that improve our judgment and engage us in relevant help. The Bible says “You will know them by their fruit.”

May 18, 2011 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal )