> Even so, I'm thinking the problem may > be worse now. Both parties are > dominated by extremists and > lightweights, and neither side appears > willing to work back toward a middle > ground
**roger — May 28, 2013 at 5:23 p.**m
i think the last time anyone ran for the office i actually *wanted to win* was JFK. since then, it's just been a choice between Bad and Worse...and the bar's been lowered so much now that the choice may be between continuing or killing our political, social, public and personal way of life.
there are a lot of votes out there who would joyously kill it all in seconds.
i'm old enough to remember when *"professor"* bill ayers killed his girlfriend when an anti-personnel bomb he was making exploded.
he got better and, with *"professor"* bernadine dohrn killed a bunch of cops (or just "pigs", as he saw it). they're suspected in the explosion at the san francisco police station too, but not enough court-ready evidence could be put together back then.
another lauded "professor" is killer kathy boudin. guess columbia university doesn't care about homicide if they agree with the politics.
***manthou — May 28, 2013 at 7:16 a.m***
> You just do not do this kind of stuff. > If you are so inclined, go teach > Sunday school. You do not preach in > front of a college class in a public > college, and punish those who do not > believe like you do. > > You might be someone who thinks that > it is OK for a public school > elementary teacher to scrawl on the > blackboard: "We pray to Jesus" when > she knows she has two children whose > families follow the Islamic faith. Or > for a teacher to tell a mentally ill > student hiding under the desk in a > psychotic panic: "The devil is > speaking to you" before she erupts in > prayer, escalating the situation. > Those are two of the more extreme > examples and they don't necessarily > reflect a trend: that is why I > qualified my statement with the word > ANECDOTAL.
***manthou — May 28, 2013 at 7:16 a.m***
i absolutely agree. **keep your personal life OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS**.
where we may part ways is what's included in the ban. for instance, i no more want to know what goes on in your bedroom than in your bathroom. i also don't want *your* opinion about *my* religion, or lack thereof.
nobody should be allowed to stop me from praying, or demand i do so.
if i want to wear a crucifix, it's not the public school's business.
reading, writing, arithmetic...this is the foundation of an educated person *and the only thing the public school should be concerned with*.
> If you rather not speak to me again > because I disagree, so be it. > > luvithere — May 27, 2013 at 5:59 p.m
of course not. it's a simple matter of whether i'm responding to being baited.
you *honestly* know of NO PROFESSORS currently teaching in universities who have weatherman terrorist organization backgrounds...? who have proclaimed in their classroom lectures the gullibility and stupidity of christians..? none who say, essentially, "we got what we deserved" on 9/11?
if you know of nobody who fits any of that, there's no point in any further discussion.
on a different topic, what are your opinions about the current irs issue? do you believe the irs should also control all of our health care information?
> And Dee, I have not yet ever > encountered a professor with a resume > including bombings, not one who wants > to get rid of any proUSA inclinations > in students, etc., but I have > encountered a few who decided their > class room should be turned into bible > school. Rw talking points. > > luvithere — May 27, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
if you believe this is not a provocative statement showing totally ingrained bias, then all i have to say is, 'have a great life'.
> I have met a few of these evangelical > zealots who bagged jobs as teachers in > our public schools. They make no bones > about this mission to "convert" the > seven pillars and thereby gain > control. . . . There is a narcissistic > and ethno-centric world view in this > that is dysfunctional and frankly, a > little scary. manthou — May 26, 2013 > at 10:20 a.m
i, too, find goings-on in schools scary. the professors whose resumes include bombings is a good start. rabid socialists and leftists busily tearing up any pro-USA inclinations they may find in students. using some very alarming techniques from some very radical how-to manuals.
i propose we agree to this: demand our colleges teach REAL KNOWLEDGE. philosophy that comes from B.C. sources; socrates, etc. the beauty of symmetry and rationality found in science and mathematics. and how all these things teach us HOW, not WHAT, to think.
to paraphrase professor kingsfield (The Paper Chase), " You come in here with a skull full of mush and you leave thinking!"
> I have met a few of these evangelical > zealots who bagged jobs as teachers in > our public schools. They make no bones > about this mission to "convert" the > seven pillars and thereby gain > control. > . . . There is a narcissistic and ethno-centric world > view in this that is dysfunctional and > frankly, a little scary. **manthou — May 26, 2013 at 10:20 a.m**
i, too, find goings-on in schools scary. the professors whose resumes include bombings is a good start. rabid socialists and leftists busily tearing up any pro-USA inclinations they may find in students. using some very alarming techniques from some very radical how-to manuals.
i propose we agree to this: demand our colleges teach REAL KNOWLEDGE. philosophy that comes from B.C. sources; socrates, etc. the beauty of symmetry and rationality found in science and mathmatics.
and how al these things teach us **HOW**, not ***WHAT***, to think.
to paraphrase professor kingsfield (The Paper Chase), " You come in here with a skull full of *mush* and you leave ***thinking!***"
Open forum, May 27-June 2
*roger...just little addendum to 10:45 pm*
what i do now is listen carefully, do my due-diligence on backgrounds and past history.
then i pray. hard and repeatedly.
finally i make a pick and pray, "may God's will be done".
May 28, 2013 at 10:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
> Even so, I'm thinking the problem may
> be worse now. Both parties are
> dominated by extremists and
> lightweights, and neither side appears
> willing to work back toward a middle
> ground
**roger — May 28, 2013 at 5:23 p.**m
i think the last time anyone ran for the office i actually *wanted to win* was JFK. since then, it's just been a choice between Bad and Worse...and the bar's been lowered so much now that the choice may be between continuing or killing our political, social, public and personal way of life.
there are a lot of votes out there who would joyously kill it all in seconds.
May 28, 2013 at 10:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
***manthou — May 28, 2013 at 7:16 a.m***
i'm old enough to remember when *"professor"* bill ayers killed his girlfriend when an anti-personnel bomb he was making exploded.
he got better and, with *"professor"* bernadine dohrn killed a bunch of cops (or just "pigs", as he saw it). they're suspected in the explosion at the san francisco police station too, but not enough court-ready evidence could be put together back then.
another lauded "professor" is killer kathy boudin. guess columbia university doesn't care about homicide if they agree with the politics.
***manthou — May 28, 2013 at 7:16 a.m***
> You just do not do this kind of stuff.
> If you are so inclined, go teach
> Sunday school. You do not preach in
> front of a college class in a public
> college, and punish those who do not
> believe like you do.
>
> You might be someone who thinks that
> it is OK for a public school
> elementary teacher to scrawl on the
> blackboard: "We pray to Jesus" when
> she knows she has two children whose
> families follow the Islamic faith. Or
> for a teacher to tell a mentally ill
> student hiding under the desk in a
> psychotic panic: "The devil is
> speaking to you" before she erupts in
> prayer, escalating the situation.
> Those are two of the more extreme
> examples and they don't necessarily
> reflect a trend: that is why I
> qualified my statement with the word
> ANECDOTAL.
***manthou — May 28, 2013 at 7:16 a.m***
i absolutely agree. **keep your personal life OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS**.
where we may part ways is what's included in the ban. for instance, i no more want to know what goes on in your bedroom than in your bathroom. i also don't want *your* opinion about *my* religion, or lack thereof.
nobody should be allowed to stop me from praying, or demand i do so.
if i want to wear a crucifix, it's not the public school's business.
reading, writing, arithmetic...this is the foundation of an educated person *and the only thing the public school should be concerned with*.
May 28, 2013 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
***kn_dalai — May 27, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.***
i'm amazed there were any first wave soldiers who lived after *that day*, forget after all THIS time.
May 28, 2013 at 3:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
> If you rather not speak to me again
> because I disagree, so be it.
>
> luvithere — May 27, 2013 at 5:59 p.m
of course not. it's a simple matter of whether i'm responding to being baited.
you *honestly* know of NO PROFESSORS currently teaching in universities who have weatherman terrorist organization backgrounds...? who have proclaimed in their classroom lectures the gullibility and stupidity of christians..? none who say, essentially, "we got what we deserved" on 9/11?
if you know of nobody who fits any of that, there's no point in any further discussion.
on a different topic, what are your opinions about the current irs issue? do you believe the irs should also control all of our health care information?
.
May 27, 2013 at 6:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
***luvithere — May 27, 2013 at 4:29 p.m***
as i said, have a great life.
May 27, 2013 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
> And Dee, I have not yet ever
> encountered a professor with a resume
> including bombings, not one who wants
> to get rid of any proUSA inclinations
> in students, etc., but I have
> encountered a few who decided their
> class room should be turned into bible
> school. Rw talking points.
>
> luvithere — May 27, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
if you believe this is not a provocative statement showing totally ingrained bias, then all i have to say is, 'have a great life'.
May 27, 2013 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
**ELISE**
thank you. i'm there in spirit.
everyone, remember those returning with life-altering injuries, physical *and* psychological.
for those so inclined, **Wounded Warriors** is a wonderful charity
God, may we never have to take up arms in defense of life, liberty and freedom anywhere in the word, ever again..
May 27, 2013 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 27-June 2
> I have met a few of these evangelical
> zealots who bagged jobs as teachers in
> our public schools. They make no bones
> about this mission to "convert" the
> seven pillars and thereby gain
> control. . . . There is a narcissistic
> and ethno-centric world view in this
> that is dysfunctional and frankly, a
> little scary. manthou — May 26, 2013
> at 10:20 a.m
i, too, find goings-on in schools scary. the professors whose resumes include bombings is a good start. rabid socialists and leftists busily tearing up any pro-USA inclinations they may find in students. using some very alarming techniques from some very radical how-to manuals.
i propose we agree to this: demand our colleges teach REAL KNOWLEDGE. philosophy that comes from B.C. sources; socrates, etc. the beauty of symmetry and rationality found in science and mathematics.
and how all these things teach us HOW, not WHAT, to think.
to paraphrase professor kingsfield (The Paper Chase), " You come in here with a skull full of mush and you leave thinking!"
how about it?
May 27, 2013 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 20-26
> I have met a few of these evangelical
> zealots who bagged jobs as teachers in
> our public schools. They make no bones
> about this mission to "convert" the
> seven pillars and thereby gain
> control.
> . . .
There is a narcissistic and ethno-centric world
> view in this that is dysfunctional and
> frankly, a little scary.
**manthou — May 26, 2013 at 10:20 a.m**
i, too, find goings-on in schools scary. the professors whose resumes include bombings is a good start. rabid socialists and leftists busily tearing up any pro-USA inclinations they may find in students. using some very alarming techniques from some very radical how-to manuals.
i propose we agree to this: demand our colleges teach REAL KNOWLEDGE. philosophy that comes from B.C. sources; socrates, etc. the beauty of symmetry and rationality found in science and mathmatics.
and how al these things teach us **HOW**, not ***WHAT***, to think.
to paraphrase professor kingsfield (The Paper Chase), " You come in here with a skull full of *mush* and you leave ***thinking!***"
how about it?
May 26, 2013 at 9:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )