Holyc, luvit, manthou, nails and everybody else, I felt compelled to share this comment to you...the last one for a while till I see a change in the pace of the articles on the Columbian which has proven itself to be quite biased in presentation these days...a possible detrimental turn they've taken which could further hinder their ability to remain in business in my opinion.
I don't condone the actions of our commissioners...all three. In fact, this is one of the reasons why I am in complete disgust....not only with them but with this Bird Cage Liner who claims they're fair and balanced, even though they have presented dozens of articles slamming politicians on one side of the ticket, yet hardly anything against the other side and Lord knows...both sides are corrupt and there's a lot of news they could be sharing but haven't. I'm sick of the corruption nationally as well and I'm truly sick of the bullying, strong-arm tactics I am witnessing by those who are misinformed and misguided...and it's not only in government, but in forums all across the nation...here as well. And the Bird Cage Liner...they have allowed one particular State Representative to continue with his biased rants and personal attacks on the facebook side (for which I am beginning my own personal boycott of the C in protest) as of today)...violating enough of the rules to make one puke and he's still posting his trash talk...and it just happens to be of the same political side which has fed into the slaughter of another political party...total division not only in government, but in our community as well...thanks in part to our very own Governor who made a recent suggestive attack in a statement when he came to Vancouver. Our nation's government is the laughing stock of the world. If Clark County is any indication of why...I can understand the views the world has of us.
Because of what I'd said in my comment last night...doesn't mean I'm quitting. Holyc...I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not just a couch potato activist as you jokingly stated in so many words. I'm not like you when I say I'm going to do something then sit back and let others do the work for me. When I say I am going to a meeting, I go...and I don't sit idle like you, (picturing you waving a piece of scribbled cardboard around, grumbling under you breath, posturing when you agree or disagree with a comment by another). I speak my mind. I AM one of those who stand up and speak my mind.
Anyhow...I'm not quitting...I'm reorganizing my strategy and will be going at it full bore to ensure that my family and future generations will still have a community they can be proud of. I just won't be wasting my time on the forum of a highly prejudiced bird cage liner...unless they balance out the reporting.
You ain't seen nuthin' yet, forum dwellers.
Columbian...clean up your act if you want people to take you as a serious news reporting agency.
My opinion means squat any more. I've faithfully voted...and voted for what I thought was the right choice, only to find out I was sadly mistaken. Any active participation in our community...gone to waste IMO. If you stand up for what you believe in, you're labeled either by the government or by people opposing your stance and you are ridiculed.
Our politicians...all out to make a name for themselves at the expense of the people. Our vote...a worthless piece of shit! The US Dollar has hit an all time low yet our president is sending aide to Syria and other nations...never mind that the people here need help, but the government is all too pent up in spending what they don't have to suit their pet projects and are cutting necessary assistance to the people of our nation. Our people are still in warring nations, dying every day. What I once believed was an honest and fair nation where our leaders listened...
I don't think that any more. Honesty and integrity is no longer.
And food...loaded with toxins, polluted...no real government monitoring, hence the reason people continue to become gravely ill and even die. Companies in cahoots with our government poison us...and we can't do a damned thing about it. Instead...they continue to get away with murder.
To own a home these days...doesn't mean anything, especially when you watch an older couple lose their home with no choice but to file bankruptcy because his job was downsized and she was unable to help bring money in. Now, they're forced to swallow what pride is left in them.
Seniors...many will starve yet no one will hear their cries. Little children won't have dinner on the table...their stomachs aching from hunger.
I just don't know what to think any more. Maybe it's a good time for me to take a vacation away from the forum for awhile.
A vote by the people of Clark County has been done before...and the powers that be ignored us. Two more votes related to operations and maintenance of loo rail clearly showed a vested interest to keep MAX out of Vancouver....again, ignored by the powers that be and they included folks on both sides of the ticket with majority rules to overstep the word of the people who voted for them.
Now...the tables are turned. The Repub majority in the State Senate is poised and ready to deny further funding beyond the $80+ million...and the $80+ million will only be made available AFTER the decision of the USCG and will be used for redesign needs IF the USCG denies the 116' clearance. Kitzhaber can say no LRT, no bridge...but it's the Feds who have the final say.
And regarding the clearance issues...yes, Thompson Metalfab might be compensated for lost profits or even to move away from Clark County...but what message does this provide for other heavy haulers who were thinking of relocating here in our county, the same who would also need the waterways in order to ship their products? Should we deny Thompson MetalFab the right to produce their product because of loo rail and should the people who work for these companies on the waterfront be laid off or be forced to move out of the county they call home???
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad to hear we will be able to vote. Thanks for the info. I only wish it would make an impact at the federal level. It hasn't yet. Lahood hadn't a clue regarding the project till after he'd read the "CRC fact sheet." hardly enough to school him on the project. Yeah...like he really cared.
Better time spent by you, even though it was a lighthearted discussion amongst the cellar dwellers!!! Thanks for the tips. I just might submit mine this morning AND attend the meeting next month...just to hear what people are saying.
A reminder about the quote by Royce Pollard as Mayor of the City of Vancouver during his 2007 State of the City Address:
*“I've said it before, but it bears repeating – Vancouver and Clark County residents have the cheapest buy-in to one of the most successful light-rail systems in the world, the MAX system. There is over $5 billion invested in light rail across the river. We can tap into that system at a very minimal cost. We’d be foolish not to. The bi-state Columbia River Crossing initiative is making plans for the future of our community for 50 years and beyond. This project should not happen without integrating light rail that comes into downtown Vancouver. If the final alternative doesn’t have a light rail component, I will not support it."*
(the same guy who called for a $20 vehicle license tax to support other transportation projects in the city)
A very minimal cost??? $170 million later with nothing to show for except an LPA that doesn't meet the guidelines set forth by the US Coast Guard and an $850 million dollar TAXPAYER funded, federal funding for loo rail only??? Then there's the cost to maintain and operate the dilapidated choo choo system. Who's going to pay for THAT one, Royce??? You have been quoted in history that you will not support the crossing project if the final alternative doesn't have light rail, sir.
You had a right to speak...but before pointing the finger at others...you need to look in the mirror, Mr. P.
ROYCE POLLARD, give it up. You sir...do not have Clark County's best interest at heart, Mr Grandfather of the GOBK!!! The only interests you have are your own. You'd made that clear many, many moons ago.
So manthou...did you get a chance to speak last night??? If you did...well, I have a couple of people in mind, but I won't try to point them out, out of respect for your desire to remain anonymous.
holyc...what about you??? Did you get to speak your mind at the microphone?
Not sure if that'll happen the way you say. Most likely, there will be a review of the hiring process and decisions will be made. Remember this too...IF he stays in his position, Benton has a little less than three months to prove himself. The eyes, they are watchin'.
Regarding M&M...Mielke's still the same. He looked a bit exhausted from everything, but not much else. His decision not to follow Madore's request to move forward with the fee holiday decision was in my opinion...a shock...and I'm glad he weighed the options and made the right decision. I believe this fee holiday is financially detrimental to the Clark County people.
Madore got a good lesson in county politics last night. Because he's new to the political arena at the capacity of commish...they'll most likely give him some slack but kindly remind him that there's rules to follow and he'll be watched and scrutinized like a hawk waiting to pounce on its kill.
Wow...looks like it's hit the fan!!! Funny how Stuart...mister bad mouth...is ready to adjourn because potty words were said. I've been checking the names of several commenting people...and the one gentleman was right. They are from other areas outside Clark County.
Open forum, May 6-12
Holyc, luvit, manthou, nails and everybody else, I felt compelled to share this comment to you...the last one for a while till I see a change in the pace of the articles on the Columbian which has proven itself to be quite biased in presentation these days...a possible detrimental turn they've taken which could further hinder their ability to remain in business in my opinion.
I don't condone the actions of our commissioners...all three. In fact, this is one of the reasons why I am in complete disgust....not only with them but with this Bird Cage Liner who claims they're fair and balanced, even though they have presented dozens of articles slamming politicians on one side of the ticket, yet hardly anything against the other side and Lord knows...both sides are corrupt and there's a lot of news they could be sharing but haven't. I'm sick of the corruption nationally as well and I'm truly sick of the bullying, strong-arm tactics I am witnessing by those who are misinformed and misguided...and it's not only in government, but in forums all across the nation...here as well. And the Bird Cage Liner...they have allowed one particular State Representative to continue with his biased rants and personal attacks on the facebook side (for which I am beginning my own personal boycott of the C in protest) as of today)...violating enough of the rules to make one puke and he's still posting his trash talk...and it just happens to be of the same political side which has fed into the slaughter of another political party...total division not only in government, but in our community as well...thanks in part to our very own Governor who made a recent suggestive attack in a statement when he came to Vancouver. Our nation's government is the laughing stock of the world. If Clark County is any indication of why...I can understand the views the world has of us.
Because of what I'd said in my comment last night...doesn't mean I'm quitting. Holyc...I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not just a couch potato activist as you jokingly stated in so many words. I'm not like you when I say I'm going to do something then sit back and let others do the work for me. When I say I am going to a meeting, I go...and I don't sit idle like you, (picturing you waving a piece of scribbled cardboard around, grumbling under you breath, posturing when you agree or disagree with a comment by another). I speak my mind. I AM one of those who stand up and speak my mind.
Anyhow...I'm not quitting...I'm reorganizing my strategy and will be going at it full bore to ensure that my family and future generations will still have a community they can be proud of. I just won't be wasting my time on the forum of a highly prejudiced bird cage liner...unless they balance out the reporting.
You ain't seen nuthin' yet, forum dwellers.
Columbian...clean up your act if you want people to take you as a serious news reporting agency.
May 9, 2013 at 6:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
My opinion means squat any more. I've faithfully voted...and voted for what I thought was the right choice, only to find out I was sadly mistaken. Any active participation in our community...gone to waste IMO. If you stand up for what you believe in, you're labeled either by the government or by people opposing your stance and you are ridiculed.
Our politicians...all out to make a name for themselves at the expense of the people. Our vote...a worthless piece of shit! The US Dollar has hit an all time low yet our president is sending aide to Syria and other nations...never mind that the people here need help, but the government is all too pent up in spending what they don't have to suit their pet projects and are cutting necessary assistance to the people of our nation. Our people are still in warring nations, dying every day. What I once believed was an honest and fair nation where our leaders listened...
I don't think that any more. Honesty and integrity is no longer.
And food...loaded with toxins, polluted...no real government monitoring, hence the reason people continue to become gravely ill and even die. Companies in cahoots with our government poison us...and we can't do a damned thing about it. Instead...they continue to get away with murder.
To own a home these days...doesn't mean anything, especially when you watch an older couple lose their home with no choice but to file bankruptcy because his job was downsized and she was unable to help bring money in. Now, they're forced to swallow what pride is left in them.
Seniors...many will starve yet no one will hear their cries. Little children won't have dinner on the table...their stomachs aching from hunger.
I just don't know what to think any more. Maybe it's a good time for me to take a vacation away from the forum for awhile.
play nicely
May 8, 2013 at 6:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
manthou — May 8, 2013 at 8:11 a.m.
A vote by the people of Clark County has been done before...and the powers that be ignored us. Two more votes related to operations and maintenance of loo rail clearly showed a vested interest to keep MAX out of Vancouver....again, ignored by the powers that be and they included folks on both sides of the ticket with majority rules to overstep the word of the people who voted for them.
Now...the tables are turned. The Repub majority in the State Senate is poised and ready to deny further funding beyond the $80+ million...and the $80+ million will only be made available AFTER the decision of the USCG and will be used for redesign needs IF the USCG denies the 116' clearance. Kitzhaber can say no LRT, no bridge...but it's the Feds who have the final say.
And regarding the clearance issues...yes, Thompson Metalfab might be compensated for lost profits or even to move away from Clark County...but what message does this provide for other heavy haulers who were thinking of relocating here in our county, the same who would also need the waterways in order to ship their products? Should we deny Thompson MetalFab the right to produce their product because of loo rail and should the people who work for these companies on the waterfront be laid off or be forced to move out of the county they call home???
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad to hear we will be able to vote. Thanks for the info. I only wish it would make an impact at the federal level. It hasn't yet. Lahood hadn't a clue regarding the project till after he'd read the "CRC fact sheet." hardly enough to school him on the project. Yeah...like he really cared.
May 8, 2013 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
roger — May 8, 2013 at 6:29 a.m.
Better time spent by you, even though it was a lighthearted discussion amongst the cellar dwellers!!! Thanks for the tips. I just might submit mine this morning AND attend the meeting next month...just to hear what people are saying.
May 8, 2013 at 6:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
A reminder about the quote by Royce Pollard as Mayor of the City of Vancouver during his 2007 State of the City Address:
*“I've said it before, but it bears repeating – Vancouver and Clark County residents have the cheapest buy-in to one of the most successful light-rail systems in the world, the MAX system. There is over $5 billion invested in light rail across the river. We can tap into that system at a very minimal cost. We’d be foolish not to. The bi-state Columbia River Crossing initiative is making plans for the future of our community for 50 years and beyond. This project should not happen without integrating light rail that comes into downtown Vancouver. If the final alternative doesn’t have a light rail component, I will not support it."*
(the same guy who called for a $20 vehicle license tax to support other transportation projects in the city)
A very minimal cost??? $170 million later with nothing to show for except an LPA that doesn't meet the guidelines set forth by the US Coast Guard and an $850 million dollar TAXPAYER funded, federal funding for loo rail only??? Then there's the cost to maintain and operate the dilapidated choo choo system. Who's going to pay for THAT one, Royce??? You have been quoted in history that you will not support the crossing project if the final alternative doesn't have light rail, sir.
You had a right to speak...but before pointing the finger at others...you need to look in the mirror, Mr. P.
May 8, 2013 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
ROYCE POLLARD, give it up. You sir...do not have Clark County's best interest at heart, Mr Grandfather of the GOBK!!! The only interests you have are your own. You'd made that clear many, many moons ago.
May 8, 2013 at 6:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
So manthou...did you get a chance to speak last night??? If you did...well, I have a couple of people in mind, but I won't try to point them out, out of respect for your desire to remain anonymous.
holyc...what about you??? Did you get to speak your mind at the microphone?
May 8, 2013 at 6:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
holycrapola — May 7, 2013 at 11:53 p.m.
Not sure if that'll happen the way you say. Most likely, there will be a review of the hiring process and decisions will be made. Remember this too...IF he stays in his position, Benton has a little less than three months to prove himself. The eyes, they are watchin'.
Regarding M&M...Mielke's still the same. He looked a bit exhausted from everything, but not much else. His decision not to follow Madore's request to move forward with the fee holiday decision was in my opinion...a shock...and I'm glad he weighed the options and made the right decision. I believe this fee holiday is financially detrimental to the Clark County people.
Madore got a good lesson in county politics last night. Because he's new to the political arena at the capacity of commish...they'll most likely give him some slack but kindly remind him that there's rules to follow and he'll be watched and scrutinized like a hawk waiting to pounce on its kill.
May 8, 2013 at 6:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
Wow...looks like it's hit the fan!!! Funny how Stuart...mister bad mouth...is ready to adjourn because potty words were said. I've been checking the names of several commenting people...and the one gentleman was right. They are from other areas outside Clark County.
Hmm...my skepticism is taking hold again.
May 7, 2013 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, May 6-12
Nailingit, this is for you...
@crane@dreams@crane@dreams@crane@dreams...
Sweet dreams tonight!!!
8P
May 7, 2013 at 10:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )