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Open forum, May 6-12

holycrapola at 9:52 a.m.

Thank you for helping prove my point.

May 10, 2013 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

holycrapola — May 10, 2013 at 8:33 a.m. (

Beyond some vague and oft repeated calls for proposed action, you claimed you couldn't link to a declassified 2007 NSA pdf on basic research skills.

I've provided that link and a few links that show that 'information' you deem so critical is publicly available and actively taught through most any school site - just point your browser to your search engine of choice and query ' "research guide" and whatever level of school you are interested in for comparison; ex ' "research guide" high school ' will bring up a multitude of librarian developed guides to research for high school students.

Using 'middle school' will bring up some slightly simpler guides. And interesting that I pointed out "middle school" in the post, linked to college sites and a general k-12 research skills site and you talk about "grade school"....

The point being that you are making claims with no evidence, you bluster that you won't provide sources and data, nor can link to any resources that show any level of organization, and acting all big hat and boots.

Which looks like just that,

#an act.

May 10, 2013 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

**Republican Senators Boycott Vote On Gina McCarthy’s Nomination To Head EPA**

By Ryan Koronowski

Zero Republicans show up to vote on Gina McCarthy's nomination to be EPA Administrator.
The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee was scheduled to vote today at 9:15 on the nomination of Gina McCarthy to be the next EPA Administrator. Despite the fact that she has answered more than a thousand of the committee’s questions, Senate Republicans announced just before the hearing that they would be boycotting the vote, denying the committee quorum and postponing the confirmation hearing.
The committee rules require that at least two members of the minority party be present during a vote. Not a single Republican bothered to show up.

#Sound familiar?

May 10, 2013 at 6:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

holycrapola — May 10, 2013 at 6:30 a.m

Your great document -dated 2007 - basically covers what is dealt with in middle school research.

If you want something a bit more uptodate and more thorough, try learning what your kids are learning.

Example :



or go to your kids' school and ask the librarian

May 10, 2013 at 6:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

From the FB side:

Carolyn Crain · Top Commenter · Vancouver, Washington

*I believe these are the very people David Madore and Tom Mielke would love to see able to get a job, any job.
Reply · · 7 hours ago

Development was shut down effectively by the last administrator of environmental services in this county named Gray*

Interesting claims. Wonder what evidence could be brought forward to support them.

May 10, 2013 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

Continuing. Split so as not to run afoul (again) of too many links

*While I agree with your Occupy statement, the conversation was already started and building steam. And when it was said and done, what positive effect did Occupy have on policy?*

nailingit — May 9, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.

For other positive looks at social change:

May 9, 2013 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

*While I agree with your Occupy statement, the conversation was already started and building steam. And when it was said and done, what positive effect did Occupy have on policy?*

nailingit — May 9, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.

Before Occupy, most of the conversation was policy wonk driven - maybe some Krugman, a few economic thinktanks, etc. Occupy got it out of that realm and into a more public eye.

You are right, the rw press (or more accurately, mainstream for profit press) pushed that 'occupiers are dirty mess leavers' meme quite well. One had to go to CSPAN interviews and a range of sites well known for social justice (Democracy Now, for an example) for lengthy coverage of the issues.

We have Elizabeth Warren in office as part of the Occupy legacy. And a continuing expose of wage/wealth inequity in the more general press.

As for policy, there is still debate going on in WA dc about bailouts for banks, fairness in dealing with foreclosures, some greater awareness of the degradation of workers' rights, wages, conditions. Look also at the discussions of state owned non-profit banks.

I'd also look at some of the writing going on at:

And there is an interesting article ( about why the D party has been less than effective.

May 9, 2013 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

holycrapola — May 9, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.

How about in



letters, you tell us

#when and where you are bringing forward your evidence?

Instead of the cat box litter dumping you are doing.

May 9, 2013 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

nailingit — May 9, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.

Yup, I should have phrased it, "I think you are giving both Waters and Crane, **et al** too much credit.

*"The other side has it down."*

Well, they try..... But results, though well publicized, usually are short term; you don't see either Paul being really influential ; nor are the Tea Baggers much more than "Nattering nabobs of negativism" (to slightly misuse the quote); [those textbooks become toxic][1]; Where is, for example, any residual effect of Palin, Romney (and his running mate), Perot....

"The social studies curriculum was perhaps the last hurrah for the extreme agenda that Don McLeroy, the anti-evolution dentist, had championed. When the discussions began, he could frequently rally a majority on the fifteen-member panel, with the consistent support of people like Cynthia Dunbar, who once wrote that sending children to public schools was like “throwing them into the enemy’s flames, even as the children of Israel threw their children to Moloch.” (She also once called Barack Obama a terrorist sympathizer.) In 2011, Dunbar announced her retirement; she had been commuting between Texas and Virginia, where she taught at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University School of Law. After McLeroy himself lost a Republican primary to a candidate who believes in evolution, Barbara Cargill, his successor as board chair, expressed concern that she was left with only “six true conservative Christians on the board.””".


Yes, we need better focus, the left wing has always been more like herding cats - it comes with not having the rw authoritarian bent - but look, for example, at how the Occupy movement opened much dialog that is still driving a resurgence of the Populist movement and at brought wage inequity, corp. malfeasance, etc. to the table at a national level.

May 9, 2013 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open forum, May 6-12

*Our local Right Wing extremists are driving his behavior by stamping their seal of approval with his actions. The Waters, the Cranes etc. It won't help, but some of the CRC circle should call them on the carpet.*


nailingit — May 9, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.

I think you are giving both Waters and Crane too much credit.

They are only repeating Xtian exploitative political and environmental philosophy (or Alec/TP, but I repeat myself) talking points. Those with any power to actually foment action, such as the recently elected Commissioner, swallowed that koolaid a long time ago.

Part of the 'think national, act local', paradigm that has been going on for a few decades. Think about packing school boards, city councils, important committees (like textbook adoptions) with conservative xtians.

And note that while there are some successes (the Texas school system and Madore getting elected for examples), there is usually enough push back (look at all the 'I'm sorry I voted for DM' claims on the FB comments) that much of the actions they foment become nullified.

Assuming D. Benton stays in his positions and 'greenlights' some big project (say a subdivision with questionable land use); as the effect of that 'de-regulation' impacts more local citizens and the light under the carpet shows up the influence from some developer's pockets there will be more push back from those who are knowledgeable of the situation.

May 9, 2013 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal )