"The middle class is still struggling, food stamps usage at an all time high, millions unable to find work and no longer qualify for unemployment and he jokes?
All we heard was how bad everything was under Bush & the Republicans and now that everything is much worse, it's a joke?"
More from a dipfck. Didchits such as this a$$clown still, even now, think all evils occurred because of policies enacted since 2010? Doesn't this idiot know-or want to admit-which bunch of dipfcks controlled Congress for the last 2 years? In his blind eyes, the baggers and their ilk are blameless. This dipfk is right up there the dumbest-totally clueless.
"**The GOP is dying as it decides to move further left."** Lew Waters
As Lew attempts to encapsulate politics, as he usually errroneously does, more power to the dipfck.
A quote from a bagger, kinda explains the problem in DC, dirtbag politicians from both stripes, entrenched in their nonsence, bought and paid for by monied interests, continue to rule. The GOP can move anywhere it wants, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Who really runs things? Hint-it's a bunch of elected politicians that are bought and paid for. Wake up Lew, and your fellow baggers, you got sold up the river with the rest of us.
Nail-I'm with you on this search thing-I really don't know. But to see storm troopers in the streets and house to house illegal searches scares the bejesus out of me. I have no idea what the answer is, but the apparent answer sucks. Has it come to that? I hope not. Perhaps that's why the US couldn't crack the top ten in how "free" we are in an international rating.
"The radicalization of youth sure isn't new. I just think the horror of 9/11 has given the government another license to erode individual rights for the illusion of greater public safety. We just should not be so ready to hand them over."
damn tootin'!
I worry that media bombardment about such events as 9/11 & Boston will create enough hysteria to convince enough people to surrender their rights, never to return. If you kinda think about the trajectory of the police state, it's scary where it's heading. As far an "intel" goes, ol' Pat the weather guy is much more reliable, and, well, err sorry Pat, I'm not sure your batting average is HOF stuff.
I find it ironic folks will fight like hell to preserve the right to carry guns, but are so ho-hum on their right to be protected from illegal searches and seizures. I guess the rationale is it's OK as long as it's the other guy, not me.The drunks and druggies lost their rights long ago, I don't know if the police are still doing the roadblock thing or not-mighta got tossed on that one.
With many attempts to pass laws prohibiting capturing on videos the police at work-this, to me, is scary chit. And I don't wear a tinfoil hat.
Nail's doomsday scenario is exactly what the state wants to have us fear and believe only they can protect us. Oh, and BTW NAil, I did look out my door and there were no storm troopers, however, there was a drone so I flipped it off. Next time, maybe I'll see the troopers.
"Oregon has no clue where to get the approx $750 mil needed to pay off their $450 mil bonds;"
I wonder why no one has pursued the recipients of the huge profits to be made from buying these bonds-with virtually no risk. As always, follow the money. Once opponents of CRC see who they're really up against, they'd probably throw in the towel. If the big boys want a bridge, they'll get it. It's really no more than Americorp after taxpayer's money, and I have no doubts they'll get it.
"But I understand extraordinary events, at times, require extraordinary action."
Nail-I don't. Give the pOlice an inch, they'll take a mile. And who defines an "extraordinary event"? The pOlice as they declare a state of emergency? That declaration would be based solely on their opinion. The government can, in Wa and Or, ban the sale of alcohol, gasoline, guns, and ammunition if and when the governor declares an "emergency". In effect, the people in power, can do whatever the f**k they want to do whenever they want to-ie, Boston. I'd hope "extraordinary events", whatever those may be, are not the unquestionable criteria for pOlice and government reaction-especially unbridled reaction.
Under the false pretense of security and the order of law, we've given up much-way too much. If you need proof, get on an airplane. Feel secure knowing the guys servicing the aircraft don't have to go thru the BS you do? The folks fueling and loading your plane just kinda walk into the mix? I watched at PDX as at least 50 gallons of fuel spilled out of a wing, into a catch basin, while no one noticed. No big deal-just another day at the United gate.
If someone "takes umbrage" at my statements, so be it. When armed agents are forcing folks out of their homes at gunpoint, so they can execute a warrantless search, for whatever reason, that's beyond bad. Doesn't matter how much the public is outraged, that doesn't, in my opinion, give the pOlice the right to trample over citizen's rights. I also think it should be noted the suspect was found in a guy's boat after he noticed blood on the tarp and a torn strap, I think it was. The house to house invasions did no good anyway. Then the pOlice, with no provocation, as I understand it, began shooting into the boat. Kinda like getting a warning shot in the forehead.
Now that the police, aided by a media frenzy, have pulled off putting a city in "lockdown" (gag and puke here) what makes you think they'll never team up again? Pound on your door and remove you and yours at gunpoint then ransack your house? Looking for say, a child molester? A drug dealer that escaped arrest?
And why point guns at and frisk down women? They weren't even looking for a woman.
Maybe I'm over the top, but what I must endure to get in a freakin' plane is sickening. My 82 year old mom (then) was whisked away at an airport because she had a little Swiss army knife on a keyring.
**What recovery? US rich get richer, middleclass treading water**
coupla things-the recession has created a new class, the unemployable. We may be in an era of neo-feudalism.
the police response to the Boston bombings convinced me we are in a fascist state, and as the corporate media pounds away with misinformation and all kinds of perceived threats, people accept the fascist state out of misguided fears. Statistically, you're more apt to be injured by your own furniture or nailed by a shark than a terrorist, but that seems to be a pointless point. The more the corporate media spreads fear and hysteria, the better for the fascist regimes.
I remember a quote that goes something like "when fascism arrives, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
from HC's videos, we can kiss these rights bye bye.
Open forum, April 22-28
"The middle class is still struggling, food stamps usage at an all time high, millions unable to find work and no longer qualify for unemployment and he jokes?
All we heard was how bad everything was under Bush & the Republicans and now that everything is much worse, it's a joke?"
More from a dipfck. Didchits such as this a$$clown still, even now, think all evils occurred because of policies enacted since 2010? Doesn't this idiot know-or want to admit-which bunch of dipfcks controlled Congress for the last 2 years? In his blind eyes, the baggers and their ilk are blameless. This dipfk is right up there the dumbest-totally clueless.
April 27, 2013 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
"**The GOP is dying as it decides to move further left."**
Lew Waters
As Lew attempts to encapsulate politics, as he usually errroneously does, more power to the dipfck.
A quote from a bagger, kinda explains the problem in DC, dirtbag politicians from both stripes, entrenched in their nonsence, bought and paid for by monied interests, continue to rule. The GOP can move anywhere it wants, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Who really runs things? Hint-it's a bunch of elected politicians that are bought and paid for. Wake up Lew, and your fellow baggers, you got sold up the river with the rest of us.
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April 27, 2013 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
Nail-I'm with you on this search thing-I really don't know. But to see storm troopers in the streets and house to house illegal searches scares the bejesus out of me. I have no idea what the answer is, but the apparent answer sucks. Has it come to that? I hope not. Perhaps that's why the US couldn't crack the top ten in how "free" we are in an international rating.
April 25, 2013 at 9:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
"The radicalization of youth sure isn't new. I just think the horror of 9/11 has given the government another license to erode individual rights for the illusion of greater public safety. We just should not be so ready to hand them over."
damn tootin'!
I worry that media bombardment about such events as 9/11 & Boston will create enough hysteria to convince enough people to surrender their rights, never to return. If you kinda think about the trajectory of the police state, it's scary where it's heading. As far an "intel" goes, ol' Pat the weather guy is much more reliable, and, well, err sorry Pat, I'm not sure your batting average is HOF stuff.
I find it ironic folks will fight like hell to preserve the right to carry guns, but are so ho-hum on their right to be protected from illegal searches and seizures. I guess the rationale is it's OK as long as it's the other guy, not me.The drunks and druggies lost their rights long ago, I don't know if the police are still doing the roadblock thing or not-mighta got tossed on that one.
With many attempts to pass laws prohibiting capturing on videos the police at work-this, to me, is scary chit. And I don't wear a tinfoil hat.
Nail's doomsday scenario is exactly what the state wants to have us fear and believe only they can protect us. Oh, and BTW NAil, I did look out my door and there were no storm troopers, however, there was a drone so I flipped it off. Next time, maybe I'll see the troopers.
April 25, 2013 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
roger-thanks for the bond info.
BTW, do you know the length of the payments? How long does one hold the bonds to get a 66% return?
April 25, 2013 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
"Oregon has no clue where to get the approx $750 mil needed to pay off their $450 mil bonds;"
I wonder why no one has pursued the recipients of the huge profits to be made from buying these bonds-with virtually no risk. As always, follow the money. Once opponents of CRC see who they're really up against, they'd probably throw in the towel. If the big boys want a bridge, they'll get it. It's really no more than Americorp after taxpayer's money, and I have no doubts they'll get it.
April 25, 2013 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
"But I understand extraordinary events, at times, require extraordinary action."
Nail-I don't. Give the pOlice an inch, they'll take a mile. And who defines an "extraordinary event"? The pOlice as they declare a state of emergency? That declaration would be based solely on their opinion. The government can, in Wa and Or, ban the sale of alcohol, gasoline, guns, and ammunition if and when the governor declares an "emergency". In effect, the people in power, can do whatever the f**k they want to do whenever they want to-ie, Boston. I'd hope "extraordinary events", whatever those may be, are not the unquestionable criteria for pOlice and government reaction-especially unbridled reaction.
Under the false pretense of security and the order of law, we've given up much-way too much. If you need proof, get on an airplane. Feel secure knowing the guys servicing the aircraft don't have to go thru the BS you do? The folks fueling and loading your plane just kinda walk into the mix? I watched at PDX as at least 50 gallons of fuel spilled out of a wing, into a catch basin, while no one noticed. No big deal-just another day at the United gate.
April 24, 2013 at 11:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
Nail-
If someone "takes umbrage" at my statements, so be it. When armed agents are forcing folks out of their homes at gunpoint, so they can execute a warrantless search, for whatever reason, that's beyond bad. Doesn't matter how much the public is outraged, that doesn't, in my opinion, give the pOlice the right to trample over citizen's rights. I also think it should be noted the suspect was found in a guy's boat after he noticed blood on the tarp and a torn strap, I think it was. The house to house invasions did no good anyway. Then the pOlice, with no provocation, as I understand it, began shooting into the boat. Kinda like getting a warning shot in the forehead.
Now that the police, aided by a media frenzy, have pulled off putting a city in "lockdown" (gag and puke here) what makes you think they'll never team up again? Pound on your door and remove you and yours at gunpoint then ransack your house? Looking for say, a child molester? A drug dealer that escaped arrest?
And why point guns at and frisk down women? They weren't even looking for a woman.
Maybe I'm over the top, but what I must endure to get in a freakin' plane is sickening. My 82 year old mom (then) was whisked away at an airport because she had a little Swiss army knife on a keyring.
April 24, 2013 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
**What recovery? US rich get richer, middleclass treading water**
coupla things-the recession has created a new class, the unemployable. We may be in an era of neo-feudalism.
the police response to the Boston bombings convinced me we are in a fascist state, and as the corporate media pounds away with misinformation and all kinds of perceived threats, people accept the fascist state out of misguided fears. Statistically, you're more apt to be injured by your own furniture or nailed by a shark than a terrorist, but that seems to be a pointless point. The more the corporate media spreads fear and hysteria, the better for the fascist regimes.
I remember a quote that goes something like "when fascism arrives, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".
April 24, 2013 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Open forum, April 22-28
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
from HC's videos, we can kiss these rights bye bye.
April 22, 2013 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )