I suggest you look up Carter's achievements before knocking him. Then look at how much debt Reagan added to the country. Try a NEUTRAL website. Reagan and his Trickle down was and still is the worst economic theory ever. Even alan Greenspan admitted that supply side economics does not work. Union killer, enabler for the rich to get richer, Ronald Reagan has proven that the rich are greedy. Nobody creates jobs out of the goodness of their hearts, there has to be an opportunity for profit. I just ask how much is enough.
careful about the Marxist name calling, you corporate elitist. I am an American working man. I have worked for 35 years and have seen my wages stagnate regardless of advancement since Reagan, while CEO pay has gone up 100 fold. Don't lecture me about business, I am well aware how it is conducted. That doesn't mean that I am going to accept the Feudalism that is coming because of the rich getting richer and the poor seeing no benefit from their hard work except wages and benefits deteriorated. I also will not cowtow to corporations in the hopes that they keep me employed. Once Lassiez-faire capitalism has killed the middle class, where will all your ultra-elite capitalist pigs get their ever increasing RECORD profits? Squeeze a rock, get no water.
Okay boy, you really want to take the gloves off? I Have NEVER Ever taken assistance except the unemployment I was entitled to when my company moved it's factory to Mexico. I cannot afford to quit, I have a mortgage, and a family. Bills to pay, and retirement to save for. In 1978, I made 25k at a job in mid level management. FIFTEEN years later, the company folded, and I had to go to work for a big corporation, starting at,..........wait for it..........Ten bucks an hour. Now it is fifteen years past THAT job that I worked my ASS of to get to 38k and layoffs again pushed me to a small growing company that I was lucky enough to get in early and now make over sixty k. I have worked extremely hard to get here. But, guess what? The market provides for entry level jobs to start at Ten bucks an hour. You tell me how the CEO of my first company declared his salary at 400k and now the average CEO makes at least 5 to ten MILLION and average workers wages have increased maybe 3% in thirty years? Yeah capitalism is great, and the guy on top makes all the money, and if you aren't that guy on top, then quit your job and go start your own company, and work for yourself, and become a millionaire. Like everyone is able, capable, and lucky enough to make that happen. I prefer to let someone else take the risk for HONEST PAY equal to the standard of living at the time. But, I know a lot of people that had a harder time in school and my parents weren't rich enough to send me to an elite private school. so blame me for that, too. I suppose you would rather have me die or just go dig in your garbage can when things get tough enough huh? The idea that you elitist snobby bastards have about people laying around sucking up government assistance while you EARN everything you have is a farce, keep talling yourself that jackass. I know a lot of good people that have lost everything to ilness of a child, and have worked three minimum wage jobs just to get by, and when that wasn't enough, they had to get food stamps. so I assume that person was LAZY. corporate elitists like you that have no compassion because you were lucky in life or you won the gene pool lottery make me sick. Go count your money, jackass, and on the way to the bank, runover a couple homeless folks to make yourself feel better.
But, since Reagan, Bush, Phil Gramm, others like that started stripping all the regulation out of business, and the corporations can now pour all the profits I helped them make into the pockets of people that will pass laws making it easier for them to profit regardless of what it does to the american working force, Even small business has a tough time getting off the ground. This is not a democracy anymore, it is a corporatocricy. Bush nearly pushed us to Fascism; or a militaristic corporatocricy led by a beligerent nationalist party.
Hey elitist holier than thou, I am proud of what I did without a college education. My parents could not afford to send ME, and my dad made just over the threshold at the time for me to qualify for a loan. I make no excuses for where I am in life. I am happy. Of course I would have liked wages to keep up across the spectrum.
My problem with all you smug jackasses that think they are better than everyone else and somehow deserve more because you grew up with a trust fund. It is the manipulation of the government and how you grease the roads for the rich to take advantage of the poor and middle class that I see as unfair. This is AMERICA, where the People are supposed to rule. OF the PEOPLE and BY the PEOPLE. Not of the rich corporate elite and by the rich corporate elite. No, not Socialism, where every lazy bum is GIVEN a living, and where an ambitious individual is DENIED the freedom to make his dreams come true, but a FREE and FAIR society where some are not given an advantage just because they are privileged or lucky.
Clinton was as blue dog as a democrat can be, and Nafta wasn't his idea, but yes, he promoted it. It was a mistake. We need to repeal NAFTA and start making things in THIS country, instead of the WAL-MART version of economics, Hire part time workers with no benefits at minimum wage, buy overseas aand sell here shipping dollars to CHINA, increasing the trade deficit, and paying wages so low that their Chinese CRAP is the only thing people can afford. Is that the country YOU want? Unrestrained capitalism is nothing more than economic Darwinism, and is not sound policy for sustaining growth.
Not everyone has the same lot in life at the beginning, and the ones that really try hard and swim upstream, sacrifice family life and everything else in pursuit of the almighty dollar have every right to do so, with my blessing.
However, I have learned more in real life than most people and I am not an illiterate slob. The GOP needs to stop raping this country of all it's funds by allowing banks to gamble on risky loans they themselves extended and then bet against them. Government and it's control is for EVERYONE not just the super rich elite. The supreme court allowing corporations to pour a million dollars into Haley Barbour's Republican Governor's fund is a travesty. You still have not adressed the gap between the rich and poor widening every day because of the lack of regulation. Someday when the well dries up, and the profits cannot be made anymore, and the average American wage is the same as the average Chinese wage will you be happy? Would it not be smarter to still be filthy rich and let a little more of that slide down the pole in order to keep demand for goods higher? Or do you really think that some humans are just better and more deserving than others?
One last time, the rich are NOT going to go out and create jobs with the money YOU and I save them in taxes without demand. They are going to pocket it. In order to have demand, you need to have people with money to buy things. No Jobs, No Money, No Demand
Now, on the other hand, if you raise their taxes a little, they will need to go out and MAKE more money by hiring people and creating demand for their goods, thereby making more profit. More sales, More profit.
"It's obvious that you voted for the Marxist that is running the country now, so what has improved for you since he has been elected?"
The market climbed back to 10k, we stopped hemmorraging jobs,
and have gained some back(admittedly not alot),
we now have legislation that says if you have a preexisting condition you can get healthcare, and if you get sick, the insurance you paid into for years cannot drop you with out paying(that's why they call it insurance, not gifts for fatcats)
GM survived and is offering stock again, there are tax incentives for NOT shipping jobs overseas,
My take home pay increased when the middle class got their income tax withholding reduced,
combat operations in Iraq have ceased, and all but 50 thousand soldiers are out of there.
Homeloan interest is lower than it has ever been, allowing me to refinance, and saving a lot of other people that were suddenly underwater in their house because of plummeting home values, from losing their HOME..
What ELSE do you want me to list? there is more, I was just reciting things I could think of off the top o my head.
NOW... HOW have YOU been HURT, or how has YOUR life personally been made worse by Obama being elected? Be Honest, that is what I have been with you.
Real personal income for Americans - excluding government payouts such as Social Security - has fallen by 3.2 percent since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis. For comparison, real personal income during the first 15 months in office for President George W. Bush, who inherited a milder recession from his predecessor, dropped 0.4 percent. Income excluding government payouts increased 12.7 percent during Mr. Bush's eight years in office. "This is hardly surprising," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, an economist and former director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. "Under President Obama, only federal spending is going up; jobs, business startups, and incomes are all down. It is proof that the government can't spend its way to prosperity." According to the bureau's statistics, per capita income dropped during 2009 in 47 states, with only modest gains in the other states, West Virginia, Maine and Maryland. But most of those increases were attributed to rising income from the government, such as Medicare and unemployment benefits. Two of the most populous states in the country reported dramatic declines: Per capita income in California dropped 3.5 percent to $42,325; in New York, the drop was 3.8 percent to $46,957. "The evidence from New York and California reinforces a basic lesson: Where government gets too large, prosperity suffers. Let's hope that the Congress learns this lesson before it is too late for the country as a whole," said Mr. Holtz-Eakin, who also served as chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. On the campaign trail, Mr. Obama often derided Mr. Bush for what he said were dramatically falling incomes for workers. "American families, since George Bush has been in office, have seen average family incomes go down $2,000," Mr. Obama said in a September 2008 speech on the economy in Green Bay, Wis. The bureau, which doesn't compile statistics on "family" income, reported that per capita income rose during Mr. Bush's two terms, from $29,159 to $32,632 (using 2005 dollar values as a base). During Mr. Obama's 15 months in office, per capita income has dropped nearly 1 percent to $32,343.
So, you make 250k a year in the clear? your business is doing that well that your salary can be that high? less than 5% of Americans make that much.
If you are paying yourself less, which I imagine you are, then you are investing in the growth of your company instead, and investing money in the stock market, and paying a measly 15% in capital gains.
If you really are a struggling businessman, then the bill Obama wants to pass, that is aimed at small business, and was once the idea of the GOP, now OPPOSED by them is just right for you.
An opportunity to write off all expansion of your business and access to capital to do so. Geez it's like Christmas huh?
ONE MORE TIME, If you make less than 250k a year, then you taxes will go DOWN. If you pay yourself more than that, what are you paying your workers? Minimum wage, or a real living wage they don't need to supplement with food stamps?
The reason the healthcare tab will go up, is because the stupid GOP negotiated the bill down to nothing more than a give away to big pharma and United Healthcare, with a few trinkets thrown in for the regular joe. The big insurance companies are going to win either way, either the bill stands, and they raise rates until people complain and blame it on the HCB or the bill gets rejected and the health care providers raise the rates to the roof because the emergency rooms are full again... either way, because of blind ignorami like you and the clever unscrupulous smear tactics of the GOP, Obama will lose. Just don't come to me when Bitch McConnell and John Boner turn tables and screw you and the rest of the country with their moronic policies.
As for being extreme, I could say the same for you. It depends on your point of view, doesn't it?
As just a little reminder, Capitalism, is not commerce, or manufacturing. Those things I support and defend. However, Capitalism, is merely making money with money without manufacturing or selling anything else. It is how most rich STAY rich, by careful speculation, and only paying 15% capital gains on their returns,(thanks to REAGAN lowering that rate) which is at least 10% less than the average working man has to pay for earning his money the hard way, by actually working for it. Yes, every person can invest and get the same tax advantage, but because the wages have not risen at the same rate as inflation, and take the lowering home values, there is little left for investment. Easy for a trust fund baby to say, huh? Just invest it, and sit by daddy's pool until the dividends come in.
During Mr. Obama's 15 months in office, per capita income has dropped nearly 1 percent to $32,343.
---That is because there are fewer people working and the first to go in a recession are always the middle managers, who make just a little more than the workers do.
Remember, the unemployment was a result of BUSH's policies and GOP deregulation. Obama gets to deal with the fallout. OF COURSE if you count the first six months of Obama's presidency when all the effects of the LAST administration were still rolling in,and you add those numbers to Bush's numbers, Obama's numbers IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY.
Reagan was the original retard that started the Retardlican tradition of electing retards, the huge national debt, and the bitter division of the nation, you retard.
Your mom was a retard when you were born, RETARD. How does it feel to share the same views as Casto, Chavez and Ahmadinejad? Doesn't that make you proud to be an American who sides against America's enemies? You are the RETARD. And as for name calling, you initiated this. You are a moron. If you want to continue this, send me your phone number and we can discuss this in more detail.
Copycatter, and no, he did not win the cold war, he just happened to be the one at the helm when it happened. the USSR was in decline for some time.
ronnieraygun — September 4, 2010 at 10:20 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
I suggest you look up Carter's achievements before knocking him. Then look at how much debt Reagan added to the country. Try a NEUTRAL website. Reagan and his Trickle down was and still is the worst economic theory ever. Even alan Greenspan admitted that supply side economics does not work. Union killer, enabler for the rich to get richer, Ronald Reagan has proven that the rich are greedy. Nobody creates jobs out of the goodness of their hearts, there has to be an opportunity for profit. I just ask how much is enough.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 7:22 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
careful about the Marxist name calling, you corporate elitist. I am an American working man. I have worked for 35 years and have seen my wages stagnate regardless of advancement since Reagan, while CEO pay has gone up 100 fold. Don't lecture me about business, I am well aware how it is conducted. That doesn't mean that I am going to accept the Feudalism that is coming because of the rich getting richer and the poor seeing no benefit from their hard work except wages and benefits deteriorated. I also will not cowtow to corporations in the hopes that they keep me employed. Once Lassiez-faire capitalism has killed the middle class, where will all your ultra-elite capitalist pigs get their ever increasing RECORD profits? Squeeze a rock, get no water.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 10:07 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
It is YOU that is extreme, and You are BURIED by the program, unable to see the image it projects.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 10:10 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
Okay boy, you really want to take the gloves off? I Have NEVER Ever taken assistance except the unemployment I was entitled to when my company moved it's factory to Mexico. I cannot afford to quit, I have a mortgage, and a family. Bills to pay, and retirement to save for. In 1978, I made 25k at a job in mid level management. FIFTEEN years later, the company folded, and I had to go to work for a big corporation, starting at,..........wait for it..........Ten bucks an hour. Now it is fifteen years past THAT job that I worked my ASS of to get to 38k and layoffs again pushed me to a small growing company that I was lucky enough to get in early and now make over sixty k. I have worked extremely hard to get here. But, guess what? The market provides for entry level jobs to start at Ten bucks an hour. You tell me how the CEO of my first company declared his salary at 400k and now the average CEO makes at least 5 to ten MILLION and average workers wages have increased maybe 3% in thirty years? Yeah capitalism is great, and the guy on top makes all the money, and if you aren't that guy on top, then quit your job and go start your own company, and work for yourself, and become a millionaire. Like everyone is able, capable, and lucky enough to make that happen. I prefer to let someone else take the risk for HONEST PAY equal to the standard of living at the time. But, I know a lot of people that had a harder time in school and my parents weren't rich enough to send me to an elite private school. so blame me for that, too. I suppose you would rather have me die or just go dig in your garbage can when things get tough enough huh? The idea that you elitist snobby bastards have about people laying around sucking up government assistance while you EARN everything you have is a farce, keep talling yourself that jackass. I know a lot of good people that have lost everything to ilness of a child, and have worked three minimum wage jobs just to get by, and when that wasn't enough, they had to get food stamps. so I assume that person was LAZY. corporate elitists like you that have no compassion because you were lucky in life or you won the gene pool lottery make me sick. Go count your money, jackass, and on the way to the bank, runover a couple homeless folks to make yourself feel better.
But, since Reagan, Bush, Phil Gramm, others like that started stripping all the regulation out of business, and the corporations can now pour all the profits I helped them make into the pockets of people that will pass laws making it easier for them to profit regardless of what it does to the american working force, Even small business has a tough time getting off the ground. This is not a democracy anymore, it is a corporatocricy. Bush nearly pushed us to Fascism; or a militaristic corporatocricy led by a beligerent nationalist party.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 11:06 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
Hey elitist holier than thou, I am proud of what I did without a college education. My parents could not afford to send ME, and my dad made just over the threshold at the time for me to qualify for a loan. I make no excuses for where I am in life. I am happy. Of course I would have liked wages to keep up across the spectrum.
My problem with all you smug jackasses that think they are better than everyone else and somehow deserve more because you grew up with a trust fund. It is the manipulation of the government and how you grease the roads for the rich to take advantage of the poor and middle class that I see as unfair. This is AMERICA, where the People are supposed to rule. OF the PEOPLE and BY the PEOPLE. Not of the rich corporate elite and by the rich corporate elite. No, not Socialism, where every lazy bum is GIVEN a living, and where an ambitious individual is DENIED the freedom to make his dreams come true, but a FREE and FAIR society where some are not given an advantage just because they are privileged or lucky.
Clinton was as blue dog as a democrat can be, and Nafta wasn't his idea, but yes, he promoted it. It was a mistake. We need to repeal NAFTA and start making things in THIS country, instead of the WAL-MART version of economics, Hire part time workers with no benefits at minimum wage, buy overseas aand sell here shipping dollars to CHINA, increasing the trade deficit, and paying wages so low that their Chinese CRAP is the only thing people can afford. Is that the country YOU want? Unrestrained capitalism is nothing more than economic Darwinism, and is not sound policy for sustaining growth.
Not everyone has the same lot in life at the beginning, and the ones that really try hard and swim upstream, sacrifice family life and everything else in pursuit of the almighty dollar have every right to do so, with my blessing.
However, I have learned more in real life than most people and I am not an illiterate slob. The GOP needs to stop raping this country of all it's funds by allowing banks to gamble on risky loans they themselves extended and then bet against them. Government and it's control is for EVERYONE not just the super rich elite. The supreme court allowing corporations to pour a million dollars into Haley Barbour's Republican Governor's fund is a travesty. You still have not adressed the gap between the rich and poor widening every day because of the lack of regulation. Someday when the well dries up, and the profits cannot be made anymore, and the average American wage is the same as the average Chinese wage will you be happy? Would it not be smarter to still be filthy rich and let a little more of that slide down the pole in order to keep demand for goods higher? Or do you really think that some humans are just better and more deserving than others?
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 2:46 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
One last time, the rich are NOT going to go out and create jobs with the money YOU and I save them in taxes without demand. They are going to pocket it. In order to have demand, you need to have people with money to buy things. No Jobs, No Money, No Demand
Now, on the other hand, if you raise their taxes a little, they will need to go out and MAKE more money by hiring people and creating demand for their goods, thereby making more profit. More sales, More profit.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 3:10 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
You spewed:
"It's obvious that you voted for the Marxist that is running the country now, so what has improved for you since he has been elected?"
The market climbed back to 10k, we stopped hemmorraging jobs,
and have gained some back(admittedly not alot),
we now have legislation that says if you have a preexisting condition you can get healthcare, and if you get sick, the insurance you paid into for years cannot drop you with out paying(that's why they call it insurance, not gifts for fatcats)
GM survived and is offering stock again, there are tax incentives for NOT shipping jobs overseas,
My take home pay increased when the middle class got their income tax withholding reduced,
combat operations in Iraq have ceased, and all but 50 thousand soldiers are out of there.
Homeloan interest is lower than it has ever been, allowing me to refinance, and saving a lot of other people that were suddenly underwater in their house because of plummeting home values, from losing their HOME..
What ELSE do you want me to list? there is more, I was just reciting things I could think of off the top o my head.
NOW...
HOW have YOU been HURT, or how has YOUR life personally been made worse by Obama being elected? Be Honest, that is what I have been with you.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 4:41 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
Real personal income for Americans - excluding government payouts such as Social Security - has fallen by 3.2 percent since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis.
For comparison, real personal income during the first 15 months in office for President George W. Bush, who inherited a milder recession from his predecessor, dropped 0.4 percent. Income excluding government payouts increased 12.7 percent during Mr. Bush's eight years in office.
"This is hardly surprising," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, an economist and former director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. "Under President Obama, only federal spending is going up; jobs, business startups, and incomes are all down. It is proof that the government can't spend its way to prosperity."
According to the bureau's statistics, per capita income dropped during 2009 in 47 states, with only modest gains in the other states, West Virginia, Maine and Maryland. But most of those increases were attributed to rising income from the government, such as Medicare and unemployment benefits.
Two of the most populous states in the country reported dramatic declines: Per capita income in California dropped 3.5 percent to $42,325; in New York, the drop was 3.8 percent to $46,957.
"The evidence from New York and California reinforces a basic lesson: Where government gets too large, prosperity suffers. Let's hope that the Congress learns this lesson before it is too late for the country as a whole," said Mr. Holtz-Eakin, who also served as chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.
On the campaign trail, Mr. Obama often derided Mr. Bush for what he said were dramatically falling incomes for workers.
"American families, since George Bush has been in office, have seen average family incomes go down $2,000," Mr. Obama said in a September 2008 speech on the economy in Green Bay, Wis.
The bureau, which doesn't compile statistics on "family" income, reported that per capita income rose during Mr. Bush's two terms, from $29,159 to $32,632 (using 2005 dollar values as a base). During Mr. Obama's 15 months in office, per capita income has dropped nearly 1 percent to $32,343.
ronnieraygun_won_the_coldwar — September 10, 2010 at 4:49 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
Once again, I asked YOU how YOU personally have been negatively affected by Obama. When GW Bush cut taxes for the rich, my taxes went UP.
ronnieraygun — September 10, 2010 at 5:06 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
So, you make 250k a year in the clear? your business is doing that well that your salary can be that high? less than 5% of Americans make that much.
If you are paying yourself less, which I imagine you are, then you are investing in the growth of your company instead, and investing money in the stock market, and paying a measly 15% in capital gains.
If you really are a struggling businessman, then the bill Obama wants to pass, that is aimed at small business, and was once the idea of the GOP, now OPPOSED by them is just right for you.
An opportunity to write off all expansion of your business and access to capital to do so. Geez it's like Christmas huh?
ONE MORE TIME, If you make less than 250k a year, then you taxes will go DOWN. If you pay yourself more than that, what are you paying your workers? Minimum wage, or a real living wage they don't need to supplement with food stamps?
ronnieraygun — September 14, 2010 at 9:36 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
The reason the healthcare tab will go up, is because the stupid GOP negotiated the bill down to nothing more than a give away to big pharma and United Healthcare, with a few trinkets thrown in for the regular joe. The big insurance companies are going to win either way, either the bill stands, and they raise rates until people complain and blame it on the HCB or the bill gets rejected and the health care providers raise the rates to the roof because the emergency rooms are full again... either way, because of blind ignorami like you and the clever unscrupulous smear tactics of the GOP, Obama will lose. Just don't come to me when Bitch McConnell and John Boner turn tables and screw you and the rest of the country with their moronic policies.
ronnieraygun — September 14, 2010 at 9:44 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
As for being extreme, I could say the same for you. It depends on your point of view, doesn't it?
As just a little reminder, Capitalism, is not commerce, or manufacturing. Those things I support and defend. However, Capitalism, is merely making money with money without manufacturing or selling anything else. It is how most rich STAY rich, by careful speculation, and only paying 15% capital gains on their returns,(thanks to REAGAN lowering that rate) which is at least 10% less than the average working man has to pay for earning his money the hard way, by actually working for it. Yes, every person can invest and get the same tax advantage, but because the wages have not risen at the same rate as inflation, and take the lowering home values, there is little left for investment. Easy for a trust fund baby to say, huh? Just invest it, and sit by daddy's pool until the dividends come in.
ronnieraygun — September 17, 2010 at 10:12 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
During Mr. Obama's 15 months in office, per capita income has dropped nearly 1 percent to $32,343.
---That is because there are fewer people working and the first to go in a recession are always the middle managers, who make just a little more than the workers do.
Remember, the unemployment was a result of BUSH's policies and GOP deregulation. Obama gets to deal with the fallout. OF COURSE if you count the first six months of Obama's presidency when all the effects of the LAST administration were still rolling in,and you add those numbers to Bush's numbers, Obama's numbers IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY.
ronnieraygun — September 17, 2010 at 10:19 a.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
Reagan was the original retard that started the Retardlican tradition of electing retards, the huge national debt, and the bitter division of the nation, you retard.
bridge — October 15, 2010 at 3:47 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )
Your mom was a retard when you were born, RETARD. How does it feel to share the same views as Casto, Chavez and Ahmadinejad? Doesn't that make you proud to be an American who sides against America's enemies? You are the RETARD. And as for name calling, you initiated this. You are a moron.
If you want to continue this, send me your phone number and we can discuss this in more detail.
ronnieraygun_won_the_coldwar — October 16, 2010 at 2:12 p.m. ( reply | permalink | suggest removal )