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Can I pitch a tent here?

Drift — December 13, 2011 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Possible answers include:

Until Chief of Police Matt closes the park and says to move along.

Depends on whether you represent Occupy or are homeless.

As long as you don't harm the trees, grass, bugs, etc.

Can't be a medical support tent - people are just smoking dope there.

First complaint that you're impacting Christmas shopping and you're out of here!

roger — December 13, 2011 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


well, ya gotta admit, the C was asked and, poof, here it is. Nice gesture. Although I'd rather see the real old format returned, separating topics should make the discussion better, assuming we "stay on point" somewhat.

mrd — December 13, 2011 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Too bad the Occupy movement didn't or at least hasn't yet, focused on this, from economist Jeffery Sachs. Properly presented, I don't see how there would have been much resistance to their views, except for those on the receiving end of all the money.

*"The banks have said, leave us deregulated, we know how to run things, don't put government in to meddle. Then with that freedom of maneuver they took huge gambles, and even made illegal actions, and then broke the world system. As soon as that happened then they rushed out to say 'bail us out, bail us out, if you don't bail us out, we're too big to fail, you have to save us'. As soon as that happened, they said 'oh,* *don't regulate us, we know what to do'. And they almost went back to their old story, and the public is standing there, amazed, because we just bailed you out how can you be paying yourself billions of dollars of bonuses again? And the bankers say, 'well we deserve it, what's your problem'? And the problem that the Occupy Wall Street and other protesters have is: you don't deserve it, you nearly broke the system, you gamed the economy, you're paying mega fines, yet you're still in the White House you're going to the state dinners,* *you're paying yourself huge bonuses, what kind of system is this?
When I talk about this in the United States, I'm often attacked, 'oh, you don't believe in the free market economy', I say, how much free market can there be? You say deregulate, the moment the banks get in trouble, you say bail them out, the moment you bail them out, you say go back to deregulation. That's not a free market, that's a game, and we* *have to get out of the game. We have to get back to grown-up behaviour."*

mrd — December 13, 2011 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hats off to the Columbian staff for recognizing a timely news topic that will not be fading away any time soon......

I nosed around a couple of Occupy Wall Street gatherings when I was in NYC at the beginning of this month. I think this movement has significant merit and will go down in history as a force for change. Our grandchildren will be reading about it in US History.

The Masters of the Universe (we know who they are) truly expect us all to choose sides and diminish each other, poke fun of these activists so they won't have to. Don't be so quick to judge them as odd outsiders. I met well-educated, articulate people like you and me, young and old. I was impressed. I was also grateful for their stamina and tenacity. I expect them to make some wrong turns as they find their way, but I cheer them on and regret that I am too busy with other matters-of-consequence that I cannot join in more often. If I were 30 years younger, I might.

One thing that struck me visually in the Big Apple was the wide variety of "Occu-Art" that greeted me on so many vacant walls and windows. I met a person who was compiling these interesting posters and have a link to share. The list grows daily, so check back often if you are interested:

http://occuprint.org/Posters/Posters

manthou — December 13, 2011 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Is Occupy about taking control of Congress from Corporate America and returning it to The People? (Has control ever truly been with The People?) Is it about forcing change that will bring decent jobs back to this country? Is it about providing universal (meaning low cost or free) access to the education and training needed to obtain jobs? Is it about those that have paying a "fair share" in taxes? Is it about REAL universal access to affordable health care (as opposed to this farce our current administration compromised into being)?

The problem is, Occupy is about all of these things and more - depending on who you talk with and what day of the week it is. Occupy is sort of like our House with their slash and burn approach to reducing the deficit - a good idea in principle, but without clear focus and a plan that can be followed, little more than chaos.

So, as I've been saying, Occupy needs someone (a controlling group and a few designated spokespersons) in charge and a simplified message that all are on board with. Then they can be taken seriously.

roger — December 14, 2011 at 5:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Time Person Of The Year 2011: 'The Protester'** (VIDEO, PHOTO, POLL)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/14/the-protester-time-person-of-the-year_n_1147328.html

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- I think it's a stroke of genius not to define the movement. It leaves the critics blowing in the wind. One major accomplishment is that Occupy has changed the message from forced austerity to taking a progressive approach to fix our economy.

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I was on board for awhile with a rep and a singular message from Occupy, but this is working!

imho

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Thanx for the very cool link!

About your experience, (if you don't mind sharing) how often were people speaking to the crowd messaging, and what was the general "vibe". Realizing the diversity of people and the passion involved, it must have been an exhilarating experience. Was the police presence extreme in your opinion, and were there obvious signs of distrust with regards to the po-po's.

And did you set Bloomberg straight? :)

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry, I promise not to dominate this forum with too many posts.

Oh crap...I did it again!

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

I disagree. KISS is best. Make me have to think about what you say, and how all the different messages tie together, and my head starts hurting. So I'll tune you out.

The Tea types have a simple message - that gov't is too big and spends too much - they need to stop spending and reduce the deficit. And then there's the second message they started hammering on later - that as long as we tax or restrict businesses, jobs won't happen. The message goes to Rush, Glen Beck, the Fox crew, et.al., and they all start repeating the message. Tell 'em often enough and people will believe anything. (Nazi Germany.)

roger — December 14, 2011 at 1:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*that gov't is too big and spends too much - they need to stop spending and reduce the deficit*

ah, the good ol' simplistic notion. if it were just that simple. the baggers should realize how much of that federal spending drives the economy.

ironic, house R's feel we need to cut federal unemploment extensions. They feel these benefits are a "disincentive" to taking lower paying jobs that may be available. so, take a million people that were making $20/hr, not getting $430/wk unemployment (my neighbor) and have them go to work for $11/hr-basically the amount of unemployment. That's $18,000/yr out of the economy per person or about $18,000,000,000/yr. Quite a chunk, especially when you consider there are a lot more people unemployed that this little example.

But, they still gave the Dept of Defense $5B increase next year for non-war expenditures.

If our representatives weren't so far in left field, there probably wouldn't be any baggers or occupiers.

mrd — December 14, 2011 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit,

I disagree. KISS is best. Make me have to think about what you say, and how all the different messages tie together, and my head starts hurting. So I'll tune you out. LOL!

roger it's great to see you post again my forum friend. We don't always agree, and sometimes disagree with a measure of bombastically charged comments, (guilty as charged) but when it's all said and done...

...happy hour is happening someplace in the world!

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd- "If our representatives weren't so far in left field, there probably wouldn't be any baggers or occupiers". Considering the house is heavily majored by the Republicans @
242 to 192, and given the current demographics of the house, it becomes pretty clear the Republicans lack proper representation from "the people".

I'd say our representatives are so far in *right* field, it's going to be awhile before the cows come home. :)

**In the Senate, there were 17 women:** Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), **Susan Collins (R-ME)**, Kay Hagan (D-NC), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), **Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)**, Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), **Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)**, Patty Murray (D-WA), Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), **Olympia Snowe (R-ME)**, and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).
There were 13 Jews, one Hispanic (Bob Menendez, D-NJ) one Japanese American (Daniel Inouye, D-HI), one Native Hawaiian (Daniel Akaka, D-HI) and one African American, Roland Burris (D-IL). The average age of senators in 2007 was 62 years.[citation needed] The oldest senator was Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), born January 23, 1924. The youngest senator was Carte Goodwin (D-WV), born February 27, 1974.
The 111th Congress included the most religiously diverse House in history, including two Muslims (Keith Ellison, D-MN and André Carson, D-IN), two Buddhists (Mazie Hirono, D-HI and Hank Johnson, D-GA), 31 Jews, one Quaker (Rush D. Holt, Jr., D-NJ) and one atheist (Pete Stark, D-CA). There were 42 African Americans (including two non-voting delegates) and 75 female representatives. There were also 27 Hispanics, six Asian Americans **(Joseph Cao, R-LA;** Judy Chu, D-CA; Mazie Hirono, D-HI; Michael Honda, D-CA; Doris Matsui, D-CA; and David Wu, D-OR), and one Native American (Tom Cole, R-OK). There were three openly gay members (Tammy Baldwin, D-WI; Barney Frank, D-MA; and Jared Polis, D-CO..
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"the baggers should realize how much of that federal spending drives the economy." Great point. Their general thought seems to be all spending is bad.

nailingit — December 14, 2011 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's something we all might be able to embrace together (even though it is insanely early in the morning for me): an end to the concept of "corporate personhood." The Occupy movement has helped draw attention to this important focused spinoff: Get The Money Out

It will take a constitutional amendment to repair the damage done to the citizens by the Supreme Court when they determined that corporations are people, but the idea is gaining supporters by the day.

LA County has passed a resolution against corporate personhood, which is largely symbolic, of course. I hope more counties jump on this bandwagon.

Can you envision Stuart, Boldt, and Mielke agreeing to this? It may save their political bacon, if so.

Check it out: http://www.getmoneyout.com/is_your_town_next

Time magazine is right on about who the Person of the Year is worldwide.

manthou — December 15, 2011 at 5 a.m. ( | suggest removal


For those hale and hearty among us, here is a guide for rallying the troops and getting a resolution passed locally:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.unitedrepublic.org/campaigns/act-across-america/AAA-Guide.pdf

manthou — December 15, 2011 at 5:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nail-
I really wasn't trying to put a political slant on which part of the outfield those folks are in, just the fact they're out there.

The good news is the race to the bottom may be about over, and it looks as though the US should be near first place. A new census study reveals 1 in 2 of us are now "poor" according to federal standards. As the R's push to slash more social safety nets, a high-albeit low-finish looks promising.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/census-record-shows-1-2-people-america-poor-income-article-1.991839

mrd — December 15, 2011 at 7:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd- Understood no political slant intended. I was just being goofy and added my own!

Good article you referenced. This line really stuck to me, "Mayors in 29 cities say more than 1 in 4 people needing emergency food assistance did not receive it." The race to the bottom must include being the wealthiest 3rd world country on the planet.

nailingit — December 15, 2011 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You all misunderstand. Once more, the US leads the world. We raced faster than everybody else to the bottom! We are #1!!!

Sarcasm obviously here. But it sickens me to hear how many people are now classified as poor in this country. I do not think we have seen the bottom yet.
But we will only do payroll extension if we can build another pipeline through the whole continent. Hello? Is it just me or do you all also fail to see a connection?

luvithere — December 15, 2011 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I believe the vote on the Defense Appropriation ......whatever is tomorrow. Please follow our representatives to see how they vote. Also note, if Obama does NOT veto it, as a constitutional lawyer, the man simply does not deserve 4 more years. As bad as the GOP'ers are, he ain't exactly better than those re-treads and dogs. Why are the D's stuck with this joker? I'd prefer Hillary, but the D's are going to offer up Obama, a proven dud. Again, we're offered a choice with the bar set as low as possible-as if it really matters. We've won the race to the bottom, and it appears that's all that mattered in the first place. The government is now set up to make sure they have absolute control when the social upheaval occurs, and it will, so here we go. Accept the new normal, captialistic serfdom or serfdom as a guise of being free, don't make a chit of difference. Fox news will sell it as being OK, and a majority will eat it up. Maybe my tin hat is showing-I hope so. The alterntive is much scarier.

mrd — December 15, 2011 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Speaking of which...

**Romney Snags Critical Iowa Endorsement Ahead Of First-In-The-Nation Caucus.. Paper: Romneycare 'Strikingly Similar' To Obama Health Plan**

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/17/23902/

nailingit — December 17, 2011 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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nailingit — December 17, 2011 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://occupywallst.org/

nailingit — December 20, 2011 at 11:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Corportions are NOT people. Money is NOT speech!

January 20th: Occupy the Courts Day

Occupy the Courts will be a one day occupation of Federal courthouses across the country, including the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., on Friday January 20, 2012.

Move to Amend is the group who has organized this latest spinoff on the Occupy movement. Radio host and author Thom Hartmann is participating from our neck of the woods.

http://movetoamend.org/occupythecourts

manthou — January 8, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Occupy Courts: Portland demonstrators will meet at Pioneer Courthouse at 11:30 am with a rally at noon on 1/20/2012.

manthou — January 8, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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