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Anyone give that code red yet???

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks nail for the alert, I feel the need, the need, to repost!

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:27 a.m

I find it odd that you would be upset by my post. I guess it's OK with you that the government be "in your business". Oh well, to each his/hers own.

dbw-

A few questions for you.

You say you are all about right to life, rights for the unborn and the right to live yet you work for an agency that is the leader in killing, how do you justify that?

If they were to send YOU to a combat zone, would have the guts to pick up a rifle and use it? ( BTW, how are things in Lacey, WA.)

And the third, since I was never in the service, what exactly does "HHT, 1/11th ACR" mean?

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just in from the GOP Coat hanger faction...

**Mitt Romney: Church State Separation Taken Too Far By Some**

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney believes that "some" Americans have taken the separation of church and state too far, "well beyond its original meaning."

In an interview released Tuesday with the Washington National Cathedral's magazine, Cathedral Age, Romney said those who "seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God" aren't acting in line with the Founders' intent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/mitt-romney-separation-church-state_n_1817764.html

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And the third, since I was never in the service, what exactly does "HHT, 1/11th ACR" mean?

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 9:17 a.m

Waving at Hawkeye, I know what it means..

ELISI — August 21, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Lou Brancaccio (response to comment from last week's forum)...you just noticed??? Yeah...I'm back. For awhile, at least. You just never know. Things change at a moment's notice and there's a lot going on lately.

Thanks for asking.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 9:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawking @9:17am...in all years of existence, the government has been in my business and I haven't found it to be a problem. Why...pray tell...do you find it to be such a problem??? Do you have something to hide???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


...oops...

That should read "...in all my years of existence,"

Multitasking again.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 10:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dear God,

Please keep the storms at bay, and allow the Baggers, Coat Hangers & Galilee Wangers to speak. It'll make the independents choice much easier come November.

Thank you,

nailingit

**Republican National Convention Happening During Peak Of Tampa Hurricane Season**

Weather experts have their eye on storms that could affect the Republican National Convention next week, which just so happens to be peak hurricane season for Tampa, Fla.

The Washington Post's Capital Weather Gang reported Tuesday that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is tracking a tropical system headed straight for Tampa, according to several computer simulations -- though the accuracy of such forecasts seven days out is very low.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/republican-national-convention-hurricane_n_1817139.html

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawking @10:02 am

*“So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it” (Hebrews 4:16).*

The Lord works in *mysterious* ways! Not sure if this is a need, but I guess only God would be the one to decide.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My apologies on my last comment.

That should be

Mr. Hawkingit.

8P

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Latest on the Coathanger front...

Akin appears to believe the uproar will subside once the news cycle moves past his controversial comments from last weekend that it’s “rare” for victims of “legitimate rape” to get pregnant because female bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.” And with polls showing the race close and McCaskill highly vulnerable, Akin believes there’s time for him to rebound and that national money will pour back into the race if it remains tightly contested.

But Republican leaders fear that no amount of apologizing can reverse what they consider fatal damage to Akin’s candidacy. **The National Republican Senatorial Committee and the powerful outside group Crossroads GPS have vowed to withhold millions from the race if he remains a candidate.**

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79942.html#ixzz24CcvIihS

“I won’t hate Todd Akin officially unless he refuses to withdraw from the Missouri Senate race,” Coulter wrote in the conservative publication Human Events. **“If he does withdraw, honorably sacrificing his personal interests to save the country, it will be time for all good men to rally around Akin as an American patriot.”**

Translation- How much $$$ will it take to pay off Akin!

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79942.html#ixzz24CcGeA53

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 10:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


But if you went away quitely .... and then came back quitely, you're right, no one would know!!! :-) Seriously, welcome back, the forum is better when you're here.

Lou

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — August 21, 2012 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh crap, Lou is back!!

I mean, HI LOU! How are you? What happened, did you lose Mr. Hill now? First Matt and now Hill? Oh well, guess you are chained to your chair.

Now that I have your attention, if you didn't notice, we had a vote last week and it was unanimous. We'd like to get rid of the "captcha", whatcha think?

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 10:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 10:09 a.m

Sorry oldiegoldie,

I don't do the bible. There seems to be way too much conflicting advice in there. And then who's are you going to believe, there are sooooo many. As far as I'm concerned, you might as well be quoting from Dr. Seuss.

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ya know Lou, it's funny but there are now two other papers I read on-line and both have options when signing in. One of them is your main competitor across the river. Hint; it starts with an O. No captcha or other devices. It's just plain and simple. Oh and another thing, they don't seem to suffer from SPAM.

On that subject, Lou, I heard that the Big O is going to cut back there days when they publish next year. They want to concentrate more on there web page. Is the Big C thinking about that also?

Here's a clue to all of the men out there. Do not, I REPEAT DO NOT, call your wife or girl friend or significant other anything that makes her feel subservient to you. Do not ask her to address you as King, Master or Your Lordship. Not if you want those comforts of home she provides ya.

My wife and I have a running joke about it. She's gotten much better at comebacks. 390, I mean 39 years and counting.

JohnCasey — August 21, 2012 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*I REPEAT DO NOT, call your wife or girl friend or significant other anything that makes her feel subservient to you. Do not ask her to address you as King, Master or Your Lordship.*

Isn't that part of the Republican platform?

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLC1b8...

the forum is better when you're here.

Lou

Kinda like Gladys Kravitz???

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Republicans and certain religious factions, Nail.

JohnCasey — August 21, 2012 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMxJtM...

Republicans and certain religious factions, Nail.

JohnCasey — August 21, 2012 at 12:42 p.m

Exactamundo John! GOP+Religious Extremism+November Elections=

The Perfect Train Wreck!

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8n1b6...

Or the perfect fit!

To a .. Tea!!!

What Ma Ma was to the Addams Family!!!

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 1:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk@10:57 - Right on!! Next thing you know, it will be Green Eggs and Ham according to Sam I am!

soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 1:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Man I miss John Astin. One of the funniest guys EVER.

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Why Mister Lou at ten-forty two...that was a nice comment, although even if I do leave and return quietly...I'm sure some would notice right away...especially my little buddy, Soapbox4u!!! Soapie's right there every single time!!! (Aren't you, Soapie!!!)

I won't take credit for the forum being better when I'm here, although that was kind of you to say that. That's a group effort by each and every one of us. Just the numbers are a bit higher...that's all. It's a good group of individuals who will speak their mind and stick to what they believe in...unless evidence provided clearly shows what they thought was right...might not have been so right.

Anyhow...you ought to stick around more often. Remember...it was our crowd of the original forum(and the same crowds at other news sites) that generated the Columbian (and other news sites) to open up the communication lines further with Twitter and Facebook in order to broaden the spectrum. Without us...

Well, you know!

..

Mr. Hawkingit @10:57am...one question for you. Are you the same Mr. Hawkingit who posted the prayer to God, hoping for a miracle to happen in favor of their preferred political party??? If not...well Hawk, I was addressing my comment to the one I used to call nailingit. Caution...confusion is setting in. Haven't you taken your daily dose of Omega-3's and Vitamin E yet today???...8}

Oldiegoldie??? Only in my choice of music...especially classics like "Got to Believe (Sweet Comfort Band), ANY music by the Oak Ridge Boys, even Led Zeppelin (Stairway to Heaven) and of course, The Beatles and a HUGE list of others!!!

Oh...this is just too fun today!!!

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 3:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 3:05 p.m

Hey GO, or is it drift? I don't know what you are smokin but it seems to be working.

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 3:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh yes...can't forget these songs:

Chrystal Blue Persuasion - Tommy James and the Shondells

Spirit in the Sky - Norman Greenbaum

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawkingit @3:22 pm...sorry to tell you this but I've never smoked anything but smelt, salmon and sturgeon in a smoker. Nice compliment that you'd think I'm Drift, but if my memory serves me right (which sometimes I question that, lol), Drift is of the male persuasion and I am not.

So, you liked my selection of musical groups???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Two more songs worth listening:

Let it Be (The Beatles)

Turn, Turn, Turn (The Byrds)

Yep!!! Golden Oldies!!!

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 3:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldenoldie, I see you have not lost your condescending ways. Nor your self promoting chatter. Your goal here is pretty evident, you prove it every time you post.

soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 6:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk@3:22 she missed the subtle comparison of poster habits in lieu of sorting out the multiple nicks.

soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Soapie, just calling you my little buddy. Does that bother you? I won't call you my little buddy since it bothers you that much. I figured this was an "OPEN" forum, open to discussion...and there wasn't a specific forum to discuss music.

Self-promoting chatter? Was I doing that? I'll try to stop whatever it is you claim I'm doing. Of course if others are doing the same as you claim I am doing with regards to your reference that I supposedly am speaking in condescending ways or self promotion, wouldn't it be fair if they stop as well? We also might as well include insults and repulsive comments not suitable for all audiences onto that list just to clean up the old basement. We've got to keep it fair, you know.

There's an old saying...people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Have you ever thought about what that means?

So Soapie...don't hold back. Tell us what's REALLY on your mind.

Hey, I've got an idea...how 'bout talking about what's going on in the world since the discussion of music isn't your forte'!!!

So Soapie...whaddya think about that Texas school that wants to have all the parents approve of a microchip implant in their children??? (Oooh...and it's an article Mr. Hawkingit's favorite entertainm...er, media site "Huff Po," too...8) Seriously! In my opinion, I find it an unnecessary expense thrust upon the families of that community and should not be addressed...AND...it's yet another sign of that "government control," we should all fear.

Oh wait...we've been under government control from the day we were born. You know, Footprints taken, birth certificate, mandatory SSI number, medical record of shots, enrollment in elementary/junior/high school, dental work, learner's permit, driver license...

All that stuff to identify us. Why would they need such a microchip??? For the lunch line??? For Truancy???

Why???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Conservative thinking taking main stage! This is exciting! Anyone who follows the righteous right's conservative movement knows Akin's mindset is common thinking. It's just on display before a National Election! Dems could not have scripted this better. I bet a few who post here believe the same.....

Kinda like Climate change. Junk science rules this crowd as long as it fits their Christian God narrative.

**Bryan Fischer Says Todd Akin's Comments About 'Legitimate Rape' Were 'Absolutely Right' (VIDEO)**

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, a conservative Christian group, said that Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) was "absolutely right" to claim that women cannot become pregnant from "legitimate rape."

The host of the talk radio show Focal Point said that the trauma from a “real, genuine rape, a case of forcible rape” would make it "difficult" for a woman to conceive a child, Right Wing Watch notes.

"There's a very delicate and complex mix of hormones that take place -- that are released -- in a woman's body, and if that gets interfered with, it may make it impossible for her or difficult in that particular circumstance to conceive a child," Fischer said during his show Monday.

"That's all Todd Akin is saying...and he's absolutely right about that," he continued.

Akin came under fire this week after he attempted to justify his extreme anti-abortion stance by arguing that "legitimate rape" does not causing pregnancy.

"From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin said in an interview with KTVI-TV on Sunday. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."

According to the New York Times, this is not the first time that this line of reasoning has been used by anti-abortion advocates.

However, leading experts on reproductive health have dismissed this logic as unfounded.

“There are no words for this -- it is just nuts,” said Dr. Michael Greene, a professor of obstetrics, gynecology and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School.

Dr. David Grimes, a clinical professor in obstetrics and gynecology at the University of North Carolina, told the New York Times that “to suggest that there’s some biological reason why women couldn’t get pregnant during a rape is absurd.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/bryan-fischer-todd-akin-legitimate-rape-absolutely-right_n_1818285.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir;=Politics

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You know Soapie, I was thinking about what you said. Maybe you could clue me in on just what my "goal" is. I've been posting on the forum for...oh...I'd say about two years, now. If I had a goal of some sort, don't you think I'd have reached it by now???

Just sayin'.

Just exercising my freedom of expression.

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawkingit — August 21, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.

Funny...it's all talking points by men, lol. Must be something in the water they're drinking.

8)

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.

Sounds like another right wing idea of not trying to control or keep track of people. Might as well tattoo a bar code on their necks.

Of course you wouldn't mind that since the government has been controlling you for your whole life and you don't mind that.

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


More like WW-II Nazi Germany. The prisoners were tattooed for identification. Are the children being treated like prisoners, now??? Will we be next???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldenoldie, I see you have not lost your condescending ways. Nor your self promoting chatter. Your goal here is pretty evident, you prove it every time you post.

soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

You are such a peach for proving my point, over and over and over and over again!! You rock girl.

soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oopsie, that was meant to say you are dense as a rock old woman...

soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Geez - I'm sitting here reading and thinking Goldie and Nails have been arguing with each other for so long, they're starting to sound alike.

Goldie - Something says you probably liked Tommy Roe, too - so here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odv_d6LJcnY

roger — August 21, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. H, the government has been controlling all of us. There's a limit to everyone's patience when it comes to methods of control and my limit is breached when it comes to tattoos, DNA or microchips...although anybody who has a tattoo, if arrested...has an identification unique to that person. The same goes with DNA. Also...in the past, there's been health issues with microchips. It's a bad idea all the way around.

What I was referring in last week's forum regarding DNA collection and storage...some of us have already gone through the process and probably don't even know it. Take for instance...for all I know, when I had my accident...they could have taken my DNA sample while I was unconscious through the mere act of a relative signing my hospital papers, not having a clue as to what the fine print said. And all these paternal testings going on...guess where they're at???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — August 21, 2012 at 7:17 p.m.

You're funny.

So...any comment on the Texas school ID plan???

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL...Roger, I was only 11 when that song came out. One of those teeny-bopper songs all the kids loved to sing along to!!!

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.

Nails, the conservative radio talk show hosts are out in force, trying to defend this guy. I've been riding around Oregon with my boss the past two days - he listens to this stuff. There's a goof named Michael Berry that takes the prize - makes Sean Hannity and Rush sound like liberals.

roger — August 21, 2012 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well.......RATS! I've been discovered!!! Guess it's time to wipe my slate clean and come forward with the truth. The conspiracy theories about me have gone on far - too - long! Some think I'm Drift, others think I'm Nailingit and even others claim I'm ELISI or DeeLittle...most are complimentary comparisons and I thank you. A couple others...well, I'm not a male so it's kind of creepy.

I have to say, I hate to disappoint all of you on this one as I am only goldenoldie...but I'm not just any goldenoldie.

You see, I'm Miss Goldenoldie whose mother came from the planet Venus and met my father in Portland. When I was young, my parents took me to my mother's home planet so I could learn ALL the wonders and ALL the knowledge contained in the people of Venus. I returned to Earth to help the people of this fine blue orb, finding Vancouver to be suitable as I love the greenspaces and trees and lakes and rivers.

I congratulate Soapbox4u who has discovered I had a goal and knew what it was...so now you ALL will know what it is!!!

Even Lou noticed how I come and go quietly. Maybe he saw me heading towards Venus one night.

Anyways...

My political affiliation is Repudemindepertarian and I am running for president for 2012. My choice for VP will be my miniature dachshund...but she isn't running...she'll be walking. Her legs are too short and she's getting up in years. Watch out though...no kissing babies in this election for her. Her breath...toxic!

So if you find you cannot decide who to vote for in November,

***Vote for me!!!***

(and if any of you believe this schpiel...I'd suggest you take a break away from the computer for a bit).

goldenoldie — August 21, 2012 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


62FL10074 is tattooed inside my right wrist. That number isn't a Dept. of Corrections I.D. It's not not a license number of any sort. Not a military thing.

It can identify me though. And I don't mean from jail house photos.

Hawk, man... why do you wanna go harshing my gig? Don't go dragging me into the goldie thing, dood. Kay?

Now if you all will excuse me I've a motion for declaratory and injunctive relief to pull together. I find law a bit tougher than neurology, but... I do think I'll be getting a handle on it.

Now where's my lighter?

Drift — August 21, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 7:34- Just think what it's like for the poor bastards who live in the south. Conservative/religious/BS talk times 100. So many led by the nose....

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Joe Scarborough Slams Mitt Romney Welfare Ads: 'It's Just Completely False' (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/joe-scarborough-mitt-romney-welfare-ad_n_1820203.html

nailingit — August 21, 2012 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger- Did you guys happen to hear Michael Savage? This guy is a real whack job.

Anyway, GO, I'm not nails and he's not me. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob.

Drift, sorry, didn't mean to harsh your gig. Stay cool, you be fine.

hawkeye — August 21, 2012 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK hawk, let's take this by the numbers-

*You say you are all about right to life, rights for the unborn and the right to live yet you work for an agency that is the leader in killing, how do you justify that?*

There is a big difference in lives lost during battle, and the cold taking of a child from the womb.

*If they were to send YOU to a combat zone, would have the guts to pick up a rifle and use it? ( BTW, how are things in Lacey, WA.)*

You make the assumption that I have never deployed. I will not go through my career, I am sure you all aren't that interested in my resume. And Lacey is quite nice. I was thrilled to finally return to the PNW. My wife has fallen in love with the area too, being originally from AZ. I look forward to returning to Lacey, and my family.

*And the third, since I was never in the service, what exactly does "HHT, 1/11th ACR" mean?*

Now this is getting a little scary. First nail digs around and uses a photo of me as an avatar. That photo was taken in 09 and published in the post newspaper, as well as on the official Army website. And now Hawk tracks down a unit associated with me? That is a unit I used to be a part of, in CA. I am currently stationed at JBLM (for those not following new, that is Joint Base Lewis-McChord, what used to be Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base).

So by the end of the week, you stalker should have my home address, SSN, and how much I am getting paid monthly, right? Wow, didn't realize I would get so far under your skins. Maybe you can get Drift, Roger and GO to dig me out.

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And as far as the code red goes-

Pray I die. If not, just remember, some day you will be alone. It will be dark. And I will have a Louisville.

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And everyone is controlled to a certain degree by the government. Whether you wish to admit it or not. Some cases are just legitimate functions of government. But others, I believe the government is overextending it's reach. The funny thing is that some who claim they don't want the government to have control in their lives are supporting the government extension of control.

Don't understand people sometimes.

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 10:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Looks like I missed quite the day today in here...

Wow so now not only Goldenoldie is not only me, DeeLittle, and several others she is also Drift? Our very own Sybil from Venus, who'd of thunk it..Oh my how hilarious that is!
Thanks for the laughs guys!

Dana if you have gotten under their skins so bad they have checked you out, then you are doing a good job. :)

ELISI — August 21, 2012 at 10:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*First nail digs around and uses a photo of me as an avatar. That photo was taken in 09 and published in the post newspaper, as well as on the official Army website*

I have zero idea what you are referring to. More than strange! You okay?

Time for a piss test soldier.

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 12:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*So by the end of the week, you stalker should have my home address, SSN, and how much I am getting paid monthly, right? Wow, didn't realize I would get so far under your skins. Maybe you can get Drift, Roger and GO to dig me out.*

Increasing paranoia. Drug related?

Piss test soldier!

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 12:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*And as far as the code red goes-
Pray I die. If not, just remember, some day you will be alone. It will be dark. And I will have a Louisville.*

Bizarro!

Now we need a blood/hair test. Short term/long term abuse suspected.

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 12:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Don't understand people sometimes.*

Auditory hallucinations.

Too much on duty posting?

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 12:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Lotsa TDY's soldier! You need a rest!

*I am currently stationed at JBLM (for those not following new, that is Joint Base Lewis-McChord, what used to be Fort Lewis and McChord Air Force Base).*

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:35 p.m.

*I was stationed in CA up till nearly a year ago. Since I have transferred to a different climate, and then got shipped to another location that resembles the high desert of CA.*

danabwoodley — July 10, 2012 at 9:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

*I could really go for a good rain right now. But I suppose we should be happy that the high temp has gotten below 110 this week.*

danabwoodley — July 20, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.

*103? that is all? I know, I miss the PNW weather myself (someone please send rain). But I have been in hotter temps. I am experiencing up to 120 now.
danabwoodley*

*OK, since the factors of time zones always make my continuity shaky I will try to hit major points in one post.*

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 1:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


At least he wasn't brandishing a "Louisville"! (although details of the search excluded:)

Anton Caluori, Washington Man, Arrested For Alleged Obama Threat
08/22/12 02:43 AM ET

FEDERAL WAY, Wash. — The Secret Service on Tuesday arrested a Washington state man accused of making an email threat against President Barack Obama and brandishing a shotgun at officers who came to his door.

Anton Caluori, 31, was arrested at an apartment in this south Seattle suburb for investigation of making threats against the president and assault on a federal officer, said Brian Leary, a Secret Service spokesman in Washington, D.C.

Caluori is scheduled to appear at 2 p.m. Wednesday in federal court, Leary said.

The threat was sent to a general purpose FBI email address, U.S. attorney's spokeswoman Emily Langlie said.

The FBI then notified the Secret Service, Leary said. He refused to discuss the nature of the threat but Federal Way police spokeswoman Cathy Schrock said she understood it was a threat to kill the president.

A Secret Service agent and a Federal Way police officer went to an apartment in a four-plex at the Panther Ridge Apartments, knocked and announced themselves for about three minutes, then found themselves facing a man armed with a shotgun when the door opened, Schrock said.

"The shotgun was coming up to point in the direction of the agents," she said. "The two officers were able to close in and take control of the weapon before anyone was harmed."

The officers also seized a gun in the man's ankle holster, she said.

Because the resident made statements about explosive devices in the apartment, the Federal Way bomb squad was called to evacuate the four-plex and sweep it for explosives, Schrock said. None was found.

"He has a good education, he's a good boy, but he's done a stupid thing," a woman who identified herself as Caluori's mother, Renee, told KOMO-TV () at the apartment scene. http://is.gd/lVwxyY

"I don't know a whole lot," she told the television station. "How would you feel if your son got arrested? Never got arrested, was in the military, has a college education. And I'm just a little bit upset and shocked."

Schrock said she understood Caluori's mother lived in the apartment as well. The spokeswoman said the woman was allowed back into the apartment briefly to get some personal belongings. Her location was not known Tuesday night.

Federal agents began searching the unit after the all-clear Tuesday evening, Schrock said.

Federal Way police had no previous contact with the man, Schrock said.

Leary refused comment on any details of the man's history.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/anton-caluori-obama-threat_n_1820615.html

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 2:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


OK.

After checking over past weeks, I found that my memory was mistaken. It wasn't nail that had a photo of me, it was soap.

But I also see that nail has also taken the time to review past posts as well.

Test all you wish. Urine, breath, blood, hair...you want stool also?

And no, it isn't TDY. It's TCS.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 2:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*you want stool also?*

No need. You provide one nightly. :))

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 2:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Or daily, depending on your point of view.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 2:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Pray I die. If not, just remember, some day you will be alone. It will be dark. And I will have a Louisville.*

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.

So much for the "sanctity of life".

Your violent statement wreaks of cowardice and mental instability. Over what? Your paranoid assumptions that hawkeye is "hunting" you down? Your delusional statements that anonymous posters are "stalking" you? Your bizarre accusations asserting basement dwellers are posting pics of you? A statement about code red? (To include A Few Good Men vid)

I'm thankful you're not a true representation of Military personnel DBW, if you are at all. You appear to be a fraud on many levels.

From experience I know our Military is 99% (and more) comprised of honorable men & women seeking to do the right thing in serving our country.

I'm thankful you are the exception to the rule, and not the standard.


nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 3:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I am fully aware of the code red reference. And using the definition in said reference, I provided my response I have used for quite a long time. The Louisville line didn't say anything about killing anyone.

Cowardice? You have never been in a confrontation. There is no such thing as what many would call a fair fight. Outside of an organized sport or military engagement, there are no rules in a conflict.

I am thankful that I do not rely on you, nail, to validate me. I know who I am and what I have accomplished. My validation comes from my family, and later, from my maker.

I would apologize that I do not measure to what you believe I should be, but honestly, I don't regret who I am.

If you feel better from your assumptions of me, fine. If I let the opinions of others guide my path, I would be no better than the sycophants I have referred to.

But I will say, that in some ways you are right about one thing. I am the exception. But not necessarily to the rule you refer to. I have been known to be different. I like to think that is one of my strengths.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawkingit @1:46am...

Do you ever sleep???

Or are you more than one person keying comments under your pen name???

Out of curiosity, are you aware that folks who are currently stationed at one base actually go elsewhere for training? I know of family friends who are stationed up north but are away for up to three months...and Dana was sharing his comments about the heat at the same time the heat wave hit back east. Heck, even one day over 110 degrees would be too much for me.

There are some things a member of the military forces cannot discuss publicly, you know.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 6:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Maybe you can get Drift, Roger and GO to dig me out." -- danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:35 p.m.

Huh? I think the three of us have been fairly quiet on the "issue" of who/where you are.

Now, if you want my guess, I've got you pegged as a senior NCO, and probably an expert in some Combat Arms MOS - hence your assignments at Irwin (I presume OPFOR) and (again guessing) as an instructor overseas. Possibly SpecOps, though I'm thinking not based on the Irwin assignment. But then, I'm not sure why it's an issue. I was more interested in your take on discipline in the ranks, and the whys behind its continuing existence.

Anyhow, enjoy your FLW tour (sorry, I can't get used to this Joint base business). Hopefully Lacey is still the nice little town I remember.

roger — August 22, 2012 at 6:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DANG IT!!! John Hill...if the Columbian continues to use Captcha at this capacity, would you PLEASE REMIND THEM we're in the USA??? The non-English lettering does not work.

And What's with these upside-down captcha letters and only tops of words and punctuation???

Captcha Sucks!!! Listen to the forum dwellers on this, please!!! Maybe a recent suggestion to have Captcha only after signing in would be a good idea.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I have no inkling to "Dig Out" any dirt on you, Dana. Your credibility is not in question as far as I'm concerned. Others in the forum on the other hand...

I question their motives.

8)

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger-

Had to read a little closer. You said FLW, I was thinking Fort Leonard Wood, MO. Did my basic there. Not necessarily good memories. Fortunately, shouldn't have to go back there.

Discipline in the ranks? Yes there is a problem, and there are suggestions in the works in an attempt to fix the issues. IMHO, some of these suggestions are a bit extreme. They are saying they want to repair the wheel, but the plan looks like they are replacing it entirely.

And goldie is right, there are some things we just cannot openly discuss. Now some things I haven't been forth coming about, but that was only because I didn't feel it contributed anything to the discussion. And just having a little fun with being vague.

So just to get it out and not drag this on forever. Rogers guesses:

Senior NCO: yes, SFC

Combat Arms: yes, Air Defense

OPFOR at Irwin: yes, 2 years worth

Instructor overseas: Yes, I have been an instructor, and I have been overseas a few times, including right now. My principal duty isn't as an instructor right now, but I do some teaching as a part of the job.

SF: No. Those guys are too crazy even for me.

But yes, I am currently in the 'Stan, why all my posts show up in the middle of the night, and I am quiet all day.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I was going to ask about yesterday's Sowell column "At stake on Election Day: future of nation as we know it"(http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/au...)
.....

Which includes this deathless prose: "
President Obama has likewise unilaterally repealed the legal requirement that welfare recipients must work, by simply redefining "work" to include other things like going to classes on weight control. If we think the bipartisan welfare reform legislation from the Clinton administration should be repealed or amended, that is something for the legislative branch of government to consider.", amongst other ill-informed opinions.

But it seems the forum is off on some internecine meta-analysis....

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's an issue that is sorely underdiscussed - -

#The Case for No-kill Mutton Tallow

During my travels, I've met lots of vegetarian woodworkers. And their No. 1 complaint about the woodworking industry is how sheep must be slaughtered to lubricate hand woodworking tools.

Yes, the mighty paraffin/home canning industry has tried to provide an ethical substitute called Gulf Wax – the tofurky of the tool-lubrication world. But nothing compares to slick, silky rendered sheep guts.

Like many meat-eaters, I dismissed these complaints at first. But after some beers thought, I had a revelation.

And that’s why today I am urging the mutton tallow industry to unite with the liposuction community to give us “no-kill mutton tallow.”

Think of it: Sheep could be fattened as per usual. Then, when sufficiently obese, their fat could be safely removed using liposuction and then rendered into tallow, leaving the sheep both unharmed and sexier (to other sheep – not me).

Mutton tallow could then fill your nostrils with the smell of “hot lambchop” without the nagging guilt that some sheep had to die so your handsaw could mindlessly butcher trees with less friction.

So please, sign the petition below stating that you support “no-kill” mutton tallow. Because the next glob of sheep fat that you smear across your tool could have come from a sheep in your town.

— Christopher Schwarz

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2012/08/20/the-case-for-no-kill-mutton-tallow/

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


While I am sure that is truly a valiant cause, basil, is this truly what you think needs to be discussed.

If so I am sure we can get a debate going.

We'll start with this:

How many sheep are slaughtered for consumption? And how many additional are killed to produce raw material not supplied through food slaughter to make mutton tallow enough to cover the demand?

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, DB, you oughta check out my book _A Little Sex, a Lot of Dope and an Aircraft Carrier_. Hmm, now that I think on it... maybe not. I wouldn't want to be held responsible for an aneurism or sumthin'. Heh.

Drift — August 22, 2012 at 8:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I am sure that somebody out there might like the idea of me having some sort of incident that could lead to my demise. I just my put that on my list of must read before I die.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"So please, sign the petition below stating that you support “no-kill” mutton tallow. Because the next glob of sheep fat that you smear across your tool could have come from a sheep in your town."

Lubricant and a condom all in one! Yay!

Drift — August 22, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


LOS ANGELES (AP) — LL Cool J plays a special agent on TV's "NCIS: Los Angeles" and now he's caught an actual bad guy.

Los Angeles police say the rapper grabbed and held a burglary suspect at his Studio City home Wednesday morning.

Police got a 911 call shortly before 1 a.m. from someone who said her father had spotted an intruder in their home and was holding him downstairs.

Officers arrived and took a man into custody. Police say he had minor bruises and will be arrested on suspicion of burglary. His name hasn't been released.

LL Cool J wasn't hurt and apparently nothing was taken.

***Obviously this guy had no idea who's house he was breaking into. Either that or he was really stupid!***

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Pray I die. If not, just remember, some day you will be alone. It will be dark. And I will have a Louisville.

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:54 p.m

Uh, is that some kind of threat? A Louisville? You know what Sean Connery said in The Untouchables? Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 8:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


From an article on Ryan's budget. Only surprise is the author mistakenly refers to our system as a "democracy".

Do Americans realise that under a Ryan economic regime, education spending would be cut by 45 per cent, despite the fact that our educational performance in reading, science and math continues to fail to rank in the top ten of the OECD's rich world countries? Or that infrastructure spending would be cut by 24 per cent, despite the fact that the American Society of Civil Engineers are calling for over $2tn in new monies to simply bring our roads and bridges up to standard after maintenance has been underserved for decades? Counter-intuitively, and at a time when US economic competitiveness needs help the most, Ryan's House budget plan slashes nearly $1tn in investments in education, job training, scientific research and transportation infrastructure over the next decade.

Do Americans realise that under a Ryan economic regime, tens of millions of our poor neighbours, families, brothers and sisters, would be dropped categorically and coldly to the curb, with no support whatsoever from the very system that our forefathers and mothers set up to ensure that the United States would prosper? Does the US realise that health insurance protections would be thrown to the private-sector wind with no guarantee of a patient-centric approach at all? All the while keeping corporate tax loopholes and giving huge tax breaks to the very, very wealthy, totaling $3tn.

Do Americans realise that beyond the campaign trail charm, there is another side to Ryan, which was witnessed in the House Budget Committee hearing room? Often dismissive and even disrespectful of his Budget Committee colleagues on the Democratic side, Ryan is no naive, small-town boy whose principles will prevent him from turning a profit off his policymaking position. That he accepted close to $60,000 from a now-convicted campaign contributor in exchange for trucking-friendly legislation is indicative of how he's no stranger to how policymaking works for the one per cent. Make no mistake: Ryan is uncomfortably close to K street. Hardly a charming disposition for our democracy.

mrd — August 22, 2012 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey nailingit!!!

Am I missing something or is goldenoldie? Have you and I merged or something, she keeps calling you me and me you and then there was something yesterday about Venus????? I don't get it.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 8:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal



#Without drivers licenses and facing inaccessible polling places, some elderly and disabled people give up trying to vote

By Emily Nohr & Alissa Skelton

Karin Kellas of Glendale, Ariz., prefers voting by absentee ballot so she can volunteer at polling places on Election Day. Kellas suffered a spinal cord injury as a result of a rollover car accident in 1966. Her legs were amputated in the ‘90s and she is now confined to a motorized wheelchair.

Is voting fraud a serious problem in American elections? Will new identification requirements at the polls disenfranchise prospective voters among minorities, college students or the elderly? Should ex-felons who've served their sentences be allowed to vote? Are voting machines reliable? In this year's News21 project, two dozen top student journalists from eleven universities throughout the country are investigating the impact on American voters of recent extensive changes in election laws and voting procedures in many of the 50 states. See the full project at votingrights.news21.com.

Sami McGinnis remembers walking into a polling place and casting her vote for the first time.

“It was a wonderful feeling to have that freedom,” she said.

McGinnis, 67, whose vision is impaired, gave up that freedom eight years ago after her husband died. That’s when she first voted by absentee ballot. Having no family near her Mesa, Ariz., residence, she found it difficult arranging transportation — especially on Election Day.

She wishes it were possible for her to physically vote inside a polling place because she questions whether her absentee ballot is counted.

“It’s better than nothing,” she said, “but live my experience and tell me it’s better than nothing. It’s not the same.”

One in nine voting-age Americans is disabled, according to Census data. Of the 17 percent of voting-age Americans who are 65 years or older, at least 36 percent are disabled.

At a time when 37 states have considered photo ID legislation, some disabled and elderly Americans may face difficulty voting this November because they often don’t have a valid driver’s license. The result is that voter turnout among these groups likely will decrease, according to Rutgers University research.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/08/20/10708/disabled-and-elderly-voters-face-new-hurdles-polls

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 8:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh and to you DWB, I don't give two hoots about you, I just thought it would be fun to Google you since you used your real name here. What a maroon.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


#GOP Approves ‘Most Conservative Platform In Modern History’
By Aviva Shen

A week from the 2012 Republican National Convention, Republican committee members spent Tuesday articulating and affirming the principles they stand for in a draft of the official party platform. Led by Gov. Bob McDonnell (R-VA) and featuring other Tea Party stars like Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach and Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), the committee approved a draft of the platform McDonnell said “will reflect the heart and soul of the Republican Party” and one committee member called “the most conservative platform in modern history.”
Here are some highlights:

NO ABORTION IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST. The proposal for a “human life amendment” passed without a hitch — and without any exceptions for rape or incest. The committee didn’t stop there; they also adopted language that would ban drugs that end pregnancy after conception, which could potentially include Plan B, the “morning after pill.”

SALUTE TO MANDATORY ULTRASOUNDS. The GOP officially praises states’ “informed consent” laws that force women to undergo unnecessary procedures, require waiting periods and endure other measures meant to discourage them from getting an abortion. One such law receiving a “salute” was crafted by committee head McDonnell, who passed a notorious mandatory ultrasound requirement after he signed an unsuccessful bill to require an even more invasive transvaginal probe ultrasound during an abortion consultation.

NO LEGAL RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX COUPLES.

REPLICATE ARIZONA-STYLE IMMIGRATION LAWS.

AUDIT THE FED.

NO WOMEN IN COMBAT.

NO STATEHOOD, MORE GUNS FOR WASHINGTON DC.

NO NEW TAXES, EXCEPT FOR WAR.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/22/723241/gop-approves-most-conservative-platform-in-modern-history/

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Way too long and too many resources cited to excerpt:

#The Progressive Majority:
#Why a Conservative America is a Myth

http://mediamatters.org/research/progmaj/

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawkingit @8:06 am...

Regarding Mutton Tallow (rendered fat from adult sheep)...you are aware this technique has been used for centuries, right? Anybody who is in the woodworking industry knows not to use mutton tallow on anything which will come in contact with food or human mouths. Also, anyone who is into the craft of building any historic project from scratch will not substitute with a synthetic tallow if they're planning on stating their project as 100% replicated.

Regarding canning....this person doesn't use paraffin or tallow and not everybody does.

I'd be more concerned about the biodiesel industry utilizing mutton tallow as mutton mutton-tallow based biodiesel burns more efficiently in some climates. That might put a damper on the meat industry and drive the price of lamb even higher than it is right now, especially since most of the "lamb" sold in the stores is actually mutton...adult sheep.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**The Progressive Majority???*

*Think Progress???*

*Most Conservative Platform???*

Holy crud...if we believed everything we read.....

???

Just sayin'.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal



goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.

A more cogent - or rather, a cogent, response would be something other than using a lame - and painfully obvious - logical fallacy in a rhetorical effort to dismiss the research.

So, maybe try actually reading the piece and discuss where the research is inaccurate.

Or point out a counter thesis with some supporting data.

Otherwise, we're being treated to a frobert / dbw attempt at a drive-by......

Neither of whom fit to your normally better level of discussion.

Just sayin'

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well one minor correction Golden. I've noticed how you come and go.... loudly! My suggestion was for you to try and come and go quitely. :-)

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — August 22, 2012 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


basil

after 5 economically depressed years, it would be interesting to see how this would poll today. From your link:

Americans believe in private enterprise, but they also understand that the profit motive does not always serve the public interest. Pew has been asking for the past 20 years whether businesses strike a fair balance between making profits and serving the public interest. People have consistently answered that businesses do not strike a fair balance. In 2007, 58 percent of respondents expressed doubts about business fairness and only 38 percent thought businesses strike a fair balance.

mrd — August 22, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — August 22, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.

Quite an odd comment.

In more than a couple of ways.....

mr_basil_seal — August 22, 2012 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Pssst.... Lou....I'll whisper.

Is this better???

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 11:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk @ 8:45- Hey nailingit!!!

Am I missing something or is goldenoldie? Have you and I merged or something, she keeps calling you me and me you and then there was something yesterday about Venus????? I don't get it.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.

Who knows? An attempt at being clever??? A failure to accept more than one person who disagrees??? Sounds more than odd. I figure to just let this ol' gal have her fun. She seems to be all on board with this DBW character catching someone alone in the dark & swinging a bat to their head. She'll say just about anything to garner any shred of support.

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I *thought* something was up with you, Lou! It seemed a bit too friendly for my taste, lol. Never fear, though. In lessons learned in the past...my favorite lessons learned are to stop letting things bother me, things like ignorance, idiocy, prejudice...stuff like that ya know. It's all around us...you gotta laugh at it sometimes.

I can't promise a completely silent exit...WHEN THE TIME COMES...as I just might be laughing. You'll know it by the lololololol sign in the last post, then silence for awhile.

Life is too gosh darned short, Lou...you know that. You're about 8 years my senior. Okay, I'll stop teasing.

Just keep smilin'...maybe share in a laugh or two once in awhile with your buddies, your relatives, your readers. It's good medicine!!!

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Lou----

About that captcha thing!!!! What do you think? Can we can it?

OK, my captcha this time " Breast ernmmx"

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I like it when "WE" cellar dwellers make comments and form "Opinions" on others without witnessing it in person.. Shame on those that cast these stones.. You get snippets of something and think it is Gospel..But that comes from folks who are full of themselves and think they know most everything...
So throwing more money at Education is the right thing.. Wow.. We spend more per capita on students than any other country and in the private sector they spend 20% less than the public sector at least.. We really don't need 4 principles and 4 counselors per high school.. As I noted last year.. If the VSD cut back to one principle and one counselor per school they would save over 4 mill a year if I’m not mistaken. My HS had 2200 students for grades 11 & 12 and we had 1 principle, 1 vice principle and 2 counselors... And you know what I would put our graduation rate and life long earnings rate up against any of the public schools here in Vancouver...

vanwadreamer — August 22, 2012 at 11:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mr. Hawkingit @ 11:41am, methinks you aren't getting my point. The nickname I've chosen is purely a silly name selection for me to use since the responses by the three of you are so similar all the time. I've provided the time your comments posted to differentiate the three of you...all in fun. And when the three of you go off on a tangent...

Oh well, I see it all the time on here...from all directions. Guess it goes with the territory, huh!

The Venus write...all in fun. Just a bit of tease. And this "ol gal"...is probably the same age or even younger than the both of you.

Regarding DBW's comment about the Louisville...it had me wondering myself. Remember this my fellow forum dweller...re-read your comment @11:41 and realize you're accusing me of the same thing you're assuming I'm doing and we don't want that now, do we???

Shred of support??? Nope! Not looking for anybody's support. I speak my own mind. Whether or not anybody agrees, that's okay with me. After all, it IS an open forum, right??? Or IS it??? Yeah, it still is.

Do I have an agenda or goal to speak of on the forum??? Well, honestly...

No, I don't. Not one with any kind of affiliation with any political party or anything like that. My only agenda is to pass some time by in the day, sharing my opinion with others, maybe alerting others to concerns I have on issues like the CRC, abortion, microchip implants in children...stuff like that. My goal??? Just keeping the brain going. It's great to read all the different attitudes and personalities on here. As I've said before and will say it again...

It's a good group of folks (to share in discussion) here on the forum whether we agree or disagree.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 12:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Vanwadreamer, what do you think about that Texas school who wants to monitor the kids with microchips???

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — August 22, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.

And apparently they did a horrible job of teaching you. It's ***Principal***, not principle.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal- @ 9:00- For those that pay attention the lines have never been more stark. These "Muttonheads" need to go down hard this November.

The GOP convention next week promises to be the greatest endeavor into comedy/tragedy America's political scene has ever witnessed.

Get out the popcorn & kleenex! I wonder how many founding fathers will turn over in their graves during this debacle...

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 12:01 p.m

Just for you .... because.... well, it fits!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTLWC...

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Seriously, welcome back, the forum is better when you're here.

Lou"""

Mister Lou, some on here might disagree with that thought.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 12:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HEYYYY!!!

I Love Steve Martin's creativity!!!

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 12:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow, someone got the malfunctioning micro-chip from Texas implanted, that or now they are self medicating, or deeply manic today.

soapbox4u — August 22, 2012 at 1:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Self-promoting for sure.

soapbox4u — August 22, 2012 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — August 22, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.

They say those things corrode and leak after a while.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk, there are reports of many health risks, including cancer. Ten years of studies is not a good basis for predicting all future consequences. A number of states have already banned forced implantation. Microchip information is easily found with a few keystrokes including biblical and privacy references too.

soapbox4u — August 22, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I wonder what all of you would do if you saw each other face-to-face? Seems to me some people aren't following their "democratic" ways of discussion. All bark and no bite. Crotchety old farts. Must be boring in the old folks home today huh??

mxfun118 — August 22, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Don's cha wish there was a sarcasm font?

(Where have I read this one before??? I agree, though. I wish we had a sarcasm font here on the forum.)

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 3:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — August 22, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.

Microchips are also utilized in implanted pacemakers in order for cardiac patients to have direct contact with their cardiologists via cell phones, to ensure the pacemaker is functioning properly.

Microchips are also utilized to monitor diabetic patients.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 3:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Microchips can also contain an entire medical history on a patient as well as criminal history.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My dog has a microchip implant, had it done in case she is stolen or gets lost.

The gullibility of a few on here is quite amazing!!

mxfun118 — August 22, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.

If I to meet anyone from on here they would find me just as vocal and feisty in person as I am on here on certain issues. Old? well if you consider over 55 but under 65 old..then yeah I am old.
Ready for a nursing home, not yet! I can still walk without a walker and I don't even shuffle me feet!! LOL

ELISI — August 22, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey fellow Baby Boomer...when we have no choice but to use a walker or one of those electric scooters...maybe we can meet up with the other old fogies of the forum...you know, like the Hawkingit trio and soapie... maybe even Lou and a few others down on Lower River Road and set up a race or two.

hehehehe....

Microchips have their place in this world...just not for RFID of humans.

goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL I can see it now...my scooter painted red metallic..with a turbo..vrooom vrooom...

***Good grief Hey Lou!!! PLEASE get rid this idiotic captcha thing will you please????????***

ELISI — August 22, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Overactive drones and clones to the rescue. Get a life - all one of you!!! LOLOLOLOL

soapbox4u — August 22, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Derpy syndrome? paranoia? schizophrenia?

ELISI — August 22, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Mister Lou, some on here might disagree with that thought." -- goldenoldie — August 22, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." (Hamlet)

I've got my own observation. Editor Lou only shows up when Goldie is here. Verrrry Interesting!!!

roger — August 22, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting. Most polls currently show Pres Obama with a slight lead to a fairly strong one. So, I was a bit surprised to read this article predicting a strong Romney victory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/university-of-colorado-pr_n_1822933.html

Now, because it's in the Huff Post, Nails is the only one here who should speak up in favor of what it says. We need to strive for consistency.

roger — August 22, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.

Small world. I did my basic at Leonard Wood, back in '81. And my boss was a Drill there a few years later. One of my fondest memories: Drill SGT Leary - "See that pile of rocks? I think they'd look a lot better over there. Move 'em." An hour or two later, Drill SGT Jones - "Who told you to move MY rocks???? Move 'em back - right now!!!" A few of us were having too much fun with being dropped for pushups - this was our Saturday afternoon attitude adjustment, while the rest of the platoon got to spend a couple of hours blowing their money in the shoppette trying to get a buzz off of that crappy 3.2 beer they sold.

roger — August 22, 2012 at 6:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**An Unserious Man**

So if we add up Mr. Ryan’s specific proposals, we have $4.3 trillion in tax cuts, partially offset by around $1.7 trillion in spending cuts — with the tax cuts, surprise, disproportionately benefiting the top 1 percent, while the spending cuts would primarily come at the expense of low-income families. Over all, the effect would be to increase the deficit by around two and a half trillion dollars.

Yet Mr. Ryan claims to be a deficit hawk. What’s the basis for that claim?

Well, he says that he would offset his tax cuts by “base broadening,” eliminating enough tax deductions to make up the lost revenue. Which deductions would he eliminate? He refuses to say — and realistically, revenue gain on the scale he claims would be virtually impossible.

At the same time, he asserts that he would make huge further cuts in spending. What would he cut? He refuses to say.

What Mr. Ryan actually offers, then, are specific proposals that would sharply increase the deficit, plus an assertion that he has secret tax and spending plans that he refuses to share with us, but which will turn his overall plan into deficit reduction.

If this sounds like a joke, that’s because it is. Yet Mr. Ryan’s “plan” has been treated with great respect in Washington. He even received an award for fiscal responsibility from three of the leading deficit-scold pressure groups. What’s going on?

The answer, basically, is a triumph of style over substance. Over the longer term, the Ryan plan would end Medicare as we know it — and in Washington, “fiscal responsibility” is often equated with willingness to slash Medicare and Social Security, even if the purported savings would be used to cut taxes on the rich rather than to reduce deficits. Also, self-proclaimed centrists are always looking for conservatives they can praise to showcase their centrism, and Mr. Ryan has skillfully played into that weakness, talking a good game even if his numbers don’t add up.

The question now is whether Mr. Ryan’s undeserved reputation for honesty and fiscal responsibility can survive his participation in a deeply dishonest and irresponsible presidential campaign.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/opinion/krugman-an-unserious-man.html?_r=1

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Obama: Todd Akin 'Somehow Missed Science Class'**

President Barack Obama speaks at a campaign event at Canyon Springs High School, Wednesday, Aug. 22, 2012, in North Las Vegas, Nev. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
President Barack Obama again criticized Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) for his controversial remarks on rape, saying the GOP Senate nominee "somehow missed science class."

“Recently some of you have been paying attention to the commentary about the senator [sic] from Missouri, Mr. Akin," Obama said at a campaign event Wednesday evening, according to White House pool reports. "The interesting thing here is that this, this is an individual who sits on the House Committee on Science and Technology but somehow missed science class. And it’s representative of the desire to go backwards instead of forwards and fight fights that we thought were settled 20 or 30 years ago."

Akin sparked outrage when he justified his opposition to abortion by claiming that victims of "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant in an interview with KTVI-TV on Sunday.

"From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," said Akin said of pregnancy caused by rape. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/obama-todd-akin_n_1823498.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Florida’s Menacing Moves to Restrict Voting**

Voting Rights Watch 2012 on August 22, 2012 - 4:40 PM ET

Florida has dominated voting rights news for its attempts to restrict registration and early voting, for its questionable voter purge, for the local elections officials who’ve opposed such measures, and for the flurry of lawsuits that have followed.

But what most of us haven’t heard about is the issue of absentee voter fraud that, while not widespread, has occurred in parts of Florida for the past 20 years. While voter fraud in general remains nearly nonexistent, two cities with high Cuban-American populations in Florida have seen incidents where absentee ballots have been illegally brokered. Florida’s changes to its electoral system, meanwhile, haven’t addressed the ballot brokering, but have created changes that make it harder for other people of color to vote.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169523/floridas-menacing-moves-restrict-voting

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**How much do voters know?**

“We’re seeing that kind of thing more and more. I think it’s a function of increased political polarization and voters just digging in their heels and refusing to consider the opposing facts once they’ve formed an opinion about something,” said Jensen, who has generated eye-catching data showing many GOP primary voters still question the president’s religion and nationality. “I also think voters are showing a tendency to turn issues that should be factual or non-factual into opinions. If you show a Tennessee birther Obama’s birth certificate, they’re just going to say ‘well in my opinion he’s not a real American.’ It’s not about the birth certificate; it’s about expressing hatred for Obama in any form they can.”

But irrationality on policy issues transcends party lines and cuts across groups that feel differently about the president. Taken all together, the issue polling compiled so far in the 2012 cycle presents a sharp corrective to the candidates’ description of the race as a great debate placing two starkly different philosophies of government before an informed electorate.

In reality, the contest has been more like a game of Marco Polo, as a hapless gang of Republican candidates and a damaged, frantic incumbent try to connect with a historically fickle and frustrated electorate.

And “fickle” is a nice way of describing the voters of 2012, who appear to be wandering, confused and Forrest Gump-like through the experience of a presidential campaign. It isn’t just unclear which party’s vision they’d rather embrace; it’s entirely questionable whether the great mass of voters has even the most basic grasp of the details – or for that matter, the most elementary factual components – of the national political debate.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73947.html#ixzz24KcYtJXM

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


One of those "any time we think we have it bad...." moments.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-08-21/news/fl-broward-school-bus-problems-20120821_1_school-bus-bus-assignments-bus-drivers

My baby sister, who lives in Deerfield Beach, FL (north end of Broward County) is on a rant about this. Yesterday was the first day of school - at 7 p.m. she STILL didn't know where her 7 year old son Angelo was. He called a bit later - the school had asked him where he wanted to go, and all he could remember was his old bus stop in Pompano Beach, about 6 miles down the road.

roger — August 22, 2012 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I want the President to eliminate the embargoes on Cuba. Seems like it would be a nice place to vacation.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So, is Pres Obama's warning to Syria concerning use of chemical weapons against the rebels anything more than campaign rhetoric?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-press-review-obama-s-warning-will-not-deter-assad-a-851442.html

Hard to say - the various German papers tend to believe it's unlikely Assad would employ them. However, the article briefly alludes to something much more likely - that Hezbollah would gain control of some of his stockpile. If this happens, expect Israel to act - with our full support.

roger — August 22, 2012 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.

I've talked with people who've been there. Most people are quite poor - still waiting for their own version of hope and change. Once upon a time Cuba was a great vacation spot. But I couldn't imagine playing the "affluent American" there.

Costa Rica is the place to go.

roger — August 22, 2012 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Howdy Folks! Was interesting to read this week's basement. Yeesh. Hawk - I wanted Cuba to open up years ago. This embargo is just silly. A small island; what can they do? Fidel will croak eventually; that's the day they will turn capitalistic. The Wall will fall.

I am off to travel to DC early tomorrow morning. I will probably pose for a pix at the WH fence with caption: if only a woman were in charge....

Any words of wisdom any of you want to pass on to any of the good, brave, decent, hard-working folks on the hill? (end of sarcasm) (I got plenty of 4-letter words already for them, so we are good in that respect).

luvithere — August 22, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk-

You don't give a hoot about me? Cool. I am fine with that. But then looking me up was just for fun? I could think of other things to kill boredom then googling people I care less about. But, hey, to each his own.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Lnhuftje0

Bill Maher on Republicans, abortion & more...

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRD3aI...

Of things Birthers, Churchers, and that unknown in the White House...

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 9:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I know we have previously had conversations about source/broadcaster credibility, and not meaning to rehash, but seriously. Bill Maher?

I do believe he could be taken more seriously as a pundit, except for one thing. "Religulous".

I accept peoples right to not believe as you choose, but to publicly ridicule the faith of others? Appalling.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal



danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.

Seriously???? You call Mormonism a religion? It's a friggin cult. Ridiculous.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 10:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't get no respect!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sVabo...

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 7:17 p.m.

So can this reasoning be applied to left leaning voters as well? For example-

Could it be that voters are being disenfrachised only because they are being told they are disenfranchised and aren't looking to find out for themselves?

Am I the only one who loves being told by these commentators just how stupid I am not to think for myself? (deactivating sarcasm controls)

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — August 22, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.

Good point. Everyone seems ready to throw more money on education and not reviewing how the money they already have is being spent.

An old point on this debate is a matter of teacher effectiveness. Unfortunately, if a teacher proves to be ineffective, the district has a hard time getting rid of them. But if there are cuts, then we lay off an effective teacher, and not an ineffective one, based upon seniority. (Thank you unions)

And spending on technology. I am a firm believer in teaching technology in school to prepare young people for a career. But can anyone justify why we have so many computers in grade schools? Why can't kids learn the basics the old fashioned way with pencil, paper, and chalkboards? But no, we put computers in the classrooms so kids can do their lessons there, and the teacher, while consistantly saying they don't get paid enough, has less actual work to do.

Just a few observations.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit-*Any words of wisdom any of you want to pass on to any of the good, brave, decent, hard-working folks on the hill?*

In light of many members wanting to roll back HC benefits for their constituents, please ask some of the six figured salaried millionaires in Congress why we (the taxpayer) have to pay for more than 2/3 of their health care costs.

Then pull a few bagger freshman aside, take em' to the Capital Rotunda and tell them to go sit in the corner...

nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 10:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail-

I believe Ms. Pelosi had the idea to do that with the freshman already. She is still looking to find the corner she wants to point them to.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit-Any words of wisdom any of you want to pass on to any of the good, brave, decent, hard-working folks on the hill?

Hi Lady, if you get over to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, could you ask them to fasttrack the LaCenter Casino? We could use a big construction project and some new entertainment and restaurants in the area.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 11:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, apparently the embargo on Cuba isn't too big of a deal. How many administrations have left it in place?

I am sure it could be a wonderful vacation spot. I understand it was quite popular among the wealthy oh way back when. I am absolutely positive Cuba is a wonderful place to be. That is why so many Cubans risk their lives to get to Florida, right?

I find the thought of Cuba being capitalist once Mr. Castro passes an interesting one. A lot of the people calling to lift the embargo tend to also be very anticapitalism.

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 10:51 p.m

IMO the entire congress needs to go to a corner with dunce hats on, thumbs inserted in the mouth with a drool bib on.

Dem's had complete control the first 2 yrs Obama was placed in the WH, they did nothing..now even with the mix they have in congress they ALL are still a "do nothing" crowd.

ELISI — August 22, 2012 at 11:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 11 p.m.

So that's why Boehner is crying all the time, he's been looking for the corner since 1985.

Talk about a reason for term limits.

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 11:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry, 1991. But still....

hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 11:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — August 22, 2012 at 11:25 p.m.

You are right. 2009-2011, the 111th congress held a Dem majority in both houses with a Dem in the White House. We did get the ACA out of them (which we are still trying to figure that entire law out). How many bills that continued government operations? (No budget passed though) ARRA (stimulous) that we still don't know where all that money went. Cash for Clunkers?

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 11:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Article in today's Columbian website

"CBO warns Congress of recession" (so much for proper capitalization in a title to an article...sheesh!!!)

They're expecting it to begin early next year. Maybe they need to open their eyes and realize it's been a depression since 2008, have experienced a little economic bubble and is settling in the new "normal."

Must be that "Hope and Change" mindset again. Four more years of this crap??? I hope not. We NEED that change.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


But of course, if/when Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan become the new leadership for the next four years, we ALL know who will blame the economic recession on...right??? (wink, wink)

Honestly...can we *truly* blame any single political group for what is happening??? After all, this IS a global crisis...not just a crisis of the United States of America. This is a good lesson in history not worth repeating, I'd say.

Guess we ALL need to re-adjust our living around the new normal...ya think???

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ELISI — August 22, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.

Mine would be techno violet with holograph flame decals on the front.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 22, 2012 at 11:28 p.m.

Hmm...no, I think you were right at 11:26pm. I think he's been that way for a long, long time. It just wasn't on the House floor.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie, This economic mess has been building for years; some argue since Kennedy. Reagan and Bush II both had tax cuts that reduced federal income without reducing expenditures. Some argue that Nixon moving us off the gold standard led to the Fed creating artificial money based on borrowing, and then borrowing again to pay off the first loan. Clinton pretended to balance by pushing payments to future years. He also had NAFTA and the "global economy." And now we have a government that refuses to govern. To lay this on Pres Obama is more than a little unfair; he's merely an extension of what we've had for all of our lives.

Bottom line is that we're all at fault. We expect our gov't to provide certain things, even though we can no longer afford them. We elect people based on talking points, knowing full well they'll get in office and join the status quo. And we continue to support companies like Nike, that move manufacturing operations overseas and consequently destroy the lower end of the working class. (Yes, full time factory piece work jobs were better than part time burger flipping and gas station store attendant ones.)

roger — August 23, 2012 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger...I agree for the most part, except for the timing of when this began. I think we need to look a bit further back in history... say... around the time before the Great Depression, possibly???

Also Roger, I believe our world population has a lot to do with the issues we're experiencing. Not much we can do about it without shearing off human rights, so that's why I made the comment "Guess we ALL need to re-adjust our living around the new normal...ya think???"

Even for some who are experiencing easier times than others...it's only temporary. They'll have their ups and downs just like the rest of us.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Oregon Wave Power Project gets Green Light to go Forward" (article in KATUNews)

Cool!

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Unfortunately, if a teacher proves to be ineffective, the district has a hard time getting rid of them.*

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.

Tell us how you 'know' this.

And walk through your thinking as to how to rate teacher effectiveness.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Concerning a couple of comments this morning and a couple last night...

Some must think America's political policies are like a "box of chocolates".

A repeat from yesterday @ 7:17...In reality, the contest has been more like a game of Marco Polo, as a hapless gang of Republican candidates and a damaged, frantic incumbent try to connect with a historically fickle and frustrated electorate.

And “fickle” is a nice way of describing the voters of 2012, who appear to be wandering, confused and Forrest Gump-like through the experience of a presidential campaign. It isn’t just unclear which party’s vision they’d rather embrace; it’s entirely questionable whether the great mass of voters has even the most basic grasp of the details – or for that matter, the most elementary factual components – of the national political debate.

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 7:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.

*But can anyone justify why we have so many computers in grade schools?*

Maybe because we no longer bring penknives to school so we can keep our quills in order......

*Why can't kids learn the basics the old fashioned way with pencil, paper, and chalkboards?*

They don't?

*But no, we put computers in the classrooms so kids can do their lessons there, and the teacher, while consistantly saying they don't get paid enough, has less actual work to do.*

And you know that how?

*Just a few observations.*

Or a bunch of rwtp. But please, show us I'm wrong by bringing something you consider substantive as support.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 7:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 7:01 a.m.

"""And “fickle” is a nice way of describing the voters of 2012, who appear to be wandering, confused and Forrest Gump-like through the experience of a presidential campaign. It isn’t just unclear which party’s vision they’d rather embrace; it’s entirely questionable whether the great mass of voters has even the most basic grasp of the details – or for that matter, the most elementary factual components – of the national political debate."""

OR it's possible that the majority of the voters are sick of the beaurocratic BS crammed down their throats and truly don't see anybody on the ticket worthy of their full support and are thrust into voting in support of the lesser of two evils.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.

Let's just hope the government doesn't pull the plug on internet use.

It would be a truly sad day in America when the art of fine writing disappears. Keep the pencils, pens and notepads in the education system.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 7:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Basil-

When was the last time you set foot in a grade school classroom? Not as a student, but as a parent. I have a son starting Kindergarten in a couple weeks. I have kids in all three school levels. I visit schools, I go to conferences. I witness, ask questions.

Sorry, no links to Huff Po, or mediamatters, or MoveOn that you can look up for yourself to justify in your eyes. I am just a parent that actually is interested in the education my kids are getting.

danabwoodley — August 23, 2012 at 7:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dana...

Education begins at home. If the art of writing disappears from the classroom (as it sounds like it is inching in that direction) and you want your children to maintain (or learn in the case of the Kindergartner) their writing skills, I'd highly suggest it to be a regular practice in your household. Calligraphy (Greek for "beauty in writing") in itself is an art form which should never die.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sounds like an education was wasted on this guy. Reminds me of a tea-bagger, but hey, it's Texas.

(CNN) -- An elected county judge in Texas is warning that the nation could descend into civil war if President Barack Obama is re-elected, and is calling for a trained, well-equipped force to battle the United Nations troops he says Obama would bring in.

mrd — August 23, 2012 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal



danabwoodley — August 23, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.

Actually, last week.

So now, show us what you are claiming; kids on computers all day?, no writing skills teaching?, teachers not teaching, what?

Again, until you can prove your point with some substantive resources, what you are spouting is yet another

RWTP

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Let's try this one again; dbw may have missed it....

*Unfortunately, if a teacher proves to be ineffective, the district has a hard time getting rid of them.*

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.

Tell us how you 'know' this.

And walk through your thinking as to how to rate teacher effectiveness.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So, are we getting some actual use of the 20% of our taxes that go to the military (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id;=1258)?

Or, did dwb leave because we've discovered yet another area where pontificating and reciting more rwtp was 'job done' rather than bringing forward evidence?

Or, do you think dwb is using the intertubes in an effort to find the sources of the data that supports those rwtp?

In that case, it would be some weird bit of irony that after decrying the use of computers in schools that dwb is now using a computer at 'work' in an effort to learn something about those rwtp....

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


dana, are you talking about physical writing, I mean pen to paper? How necessary is that? I can see if you are taking notes for further use or if you want to write a letter or someting, but who does that these days? Kids text on their phones and write emails. Sure, they should learn how to write but only in prep for typing.

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


basil, I think he leaves this time every morning so he can go to work up there in Lacey.

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.

Well said. Except that we need to teach both the use of a pen / pencil AND computer / e device input skills.

While I do know how to use my knife to make a quill pen and sharpen a pencil, those aren't skills I use often..... There were complaints when schools started using steel nibs, btw.....

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.

Those spouting that rwtp tend to conflate the act of moving a pen with the thinking process of writing.....

It helps simplify their thinking.

Remember the 'skip a line when writing a rough draft? Now you need to learn that AND ways to save drafts.....

And that doesn't touch the myriad ways that using e devices in the writing process can augment that thinking and revising and rewriting.

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 9:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Where did I say you need to use a knife and carve a quill pen??? The art of beautiful writing isn't just done with a calligraphic instrument, btw...but I'm sure you already knew that and you just had to go for the dramatic effect with your comment instead.

I see you quietly blew off my little concern regarding the government pulling the plug on the internet. Guess since it hasn't happened yet, you think it's not going to happen???

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And when e devices' battery units are toast or when the power goes out for longer than expected AND you have no access to your jump drive/CD/internet data service, that rough draft will still be in hard copy for review and revision with utilization of a pen or pencil. That is....IF the writer is smart enough to remember to click "Print."

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Of course, there's always charcoal and the palm of your hand for quick notes to yourself, right???

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Golden...at goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 6:25 a.m
Yes we are going to blame you because of your hidden agenda for the economy since it caused the economic recession. You have to rehabilitate it now.

mxfun118 — August 23, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yep! It's all my fault! Do I have to rehabilitate it now or rehabilate it?

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Soapbox- Really? Is that all you got? Even your game is off luv. Time reboot my fellow drone.

mxfun118 — August 23, 2012 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Rehabilate.

Really Columbian? You want us to follow the guidelines of language etc, but your captcha has the worst foul language I have ever seen! B O N * R??? Really???

mxfun118 — August 23, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mxfun118 — August 23, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.

I think your concern for Captcha is the general consensus. It sucks.

*Yep! I'll rehabilate it. I will rehabilate the ecomony with Brawndo.* Heck, it will be more effective than what is being done for the economy now anyways...lololololol.

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 9:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


@ roger — August 23, 2012 at 6:39 a.m

APPLAUSE APPLAUSE APPLAUSE!!!

As far as kid not learning skills with pen and paper..I understand where DBW is coming from. My youngest graduated in '07 when he was in high school he didn't use "pen to paper" to do math, he was required to use a calculator. As far as writing goes, since he is left handed and has hyper-extended joints it was very hard for him to write, he worked hard and managed to do it. The schools he went to wanted him to use a computer, I wouldn't allow it.
Now you tell me how using a calculator is teaching a child how to work through a problem and see any mistakes they have made?
I have come across so many in retail/grocery that have no idea how to make simple change, cause they rely on the machine to give them the answer!

What if the power grids go down, we all know there is BIG possibility of it happening. Grids across this country are old, out of date and great need of updating and repairs. How are those solely depended on power to do their thinking for them going to be able to do their job IF they can't use simple brain power they were never taught cause of the over use of electrical machines? This goes for writing also..the use of computers are great but hand writing should be a must!

ELISI — August 23, 2012 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My hand writing is atrocious. There are times *I* can't read what the heck I wrote. Does anyone recall being graded on penmanship back in grade school? Yeah, my marks there were below average (yuk, yuk).

On the flip-side: I used to do design work and drafting for a small industrial firm (yes, the same I was safety director for). The drafting was all on a board with a mechanical pencil. The electric eraser was a handy tool.

There's no way in heck I would be able to write a manuscript with pen and paper. "Carrier" was edited mutiple times *after* -I- was done with it. I'm currently going back through my present work for the third time.

All of my documents are backed up with Carbonite (last backup 1/2 hour ago).

Drift — August 23, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I see you quietly blew off my little concern regarding the government pulling the plug on the internet. Guess since it hasn't happened yet, you think it's not going to happen???*

goldenoldie — August 23, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.

????????????
Maybe rather than doing a Ray Menlo toss out / crazy guy with a billboard up north on I-5, you had explained your "little concern", .......

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal @ 9:03- Even a complimentary comment can be misread!

**Could the U.S. shut down the internet?**

But is such an authoritarian action transferable? Could the U.S. government shut down American internet connections? And is it possible for the global internet to be toppled?

Technically, yes, internet experts said Wednesday, shortly after Egypt's government restored internet connections there as violent political protests continued. But it's highly unlikely.

"Could you break the internet? Yeah. Can you shut it down? No. Shutting down the entire internet would be pretty much impossible at this point," said Jim Cowie, co-founder of Renesys, an worldwide internet tracker.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-03/tech/internet.shut.down_1_global-internet-internet-providers-internet-access?_s=PM:TECH

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*For those unfamiliar with the conservative based right wing conspiracy of our government shutting down the internet, hope this helps. Only in a free country are hucksters/hustlers allowed to sink their claws into the gullible to this degree. God Bless America!!! Beck & Savage lead the way! :)*

*So many Beck/Savage/fringe sites exploit the few on this matter and many. Here are a couple.*

*No wonder a few have a hard time deciphering policy.*

*As one of these "publications" assert.....*

"the new Beck News Network (BBN) will be a bastion of truth and light for a dark world"

*(fortunately just for a fringe few;)*

http://christwire.org/2011/04/glenn-beck-leaving-fox-government-to-shut-down/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/internet-doomsday-fbi-gives-new-deadline-to-disinfect-computer-of-malicious-malware-by-july-9-or-else/

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/04/11/congressman-attacks-conservatives-for-opposing-regulation-on-internet/

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*? I have come across so many in retail/grocery that have no idea how to make simple change, cause they rely on the machine to give them the answer!*

ELISI — August 23, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.

Those running a cash register might not have been in those trig and calculus classes where calculators are required.....

mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 10:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


sock puppet

Definitions
noun

1) a simple puppet made from a sock and worn over one hand

2) an extra online identity created by a member of a discussion forum, etc, to agree with opinions submitted under his or her usual online name

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/sock-puppet

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk-

Mr perfect , why don't you run for office... Watch the skeletons fall from the closet now.. So you only rant to rant on someone not on the subject at hand.. I saw a piece this morning on the Boob tube as you may know of it I'm told.. Get it "Boob tube" probably not... Private school graduation rates almost 28% higher than public schools.. Why is it.. Those answers are all the reason we need to change the current education system .. But also newest poll showed that 68% versus 34% favored a balanced budget and more jobs than going after education.. What does that say as well..Speaks for itself...
Dana- One of the many problems with todays youth is the Family unit or lack of a family unit... Everytime I used to drop my kids off at school or watch a function at school it was obvious what the issues were.. There is very little respect being taught today...

vanwadreamer — August 23, 2012 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*2) an extra online identity created by a member of a discussion forum, etc, to agree with opinions submitted under his or her usual online name*

Painting a self portrait there area Ya??

ELISI — August 23, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Golden,

That has to be the most insane idea, like there some kinda animal.. I would be more in favor of Micro chipping the parents...

Georgia HS Football coach being taken to court.. http://global.christianpost.com/news/atheists-attack-church-for-feeding-high-school-football-players-80484/
Another rediculous group of out of touch with society...

So I see Mr Clinton is the keynote speaker at the Dem convention.. Might as well have Mr Weiner, John Edwards and there too...They could probaly fill the convention with all the women they have been with over the years...

vanwadreamer — August 23, 2012 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Grant Storms, Anti-Gay Louisiana Pastor, Convicted Of Obscenity For Masturbating In Public**

A prominent Louisiana-based Christian pastor known for his anti-gay stance was convicted of obscenity yesterday after being caught masturbating at a public park near a children's playground last year.

As NOLA.com reports, Rev. Grant Storm was sentenced to three years' probation after the incident in Lafreniere Park. Storm is quoted as calling public masturbation "a thrill" in his confession. However, despite an eyewitness account cited by the New Orleans Times-Picayune which stated that 55-year-old pastor had been "looking at the playground area that contained children playing, with his zipper down" at the time of his arrest, authorities denied any suspicions that he was a pedophile.

"Lafreniere Park is a public place," Judge Ross LaDart is quoted as saying when he announced the verdict, according to the publication. "Lafreniere Park is a place that was chosen by this defendant to engage in a history of masturbation."

At the time of his arrest, Storms told officers on the scene he was attempting to urinate in a bottle inside van. He later admitted to concocting the story. "I'm confessing to having my hand in my pants," Storms is quoted by Best Of New Orleans as saying at the time. "That's all I'm going to say."

Deeming himself a "Christian patriot," Storms is notorious in New Orleans' lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community for his vocal opposition to the annual Southern Decadence festival, one of the largest gay-themed events in the world, in the French Quarter.

"We want them out of town," he told ABC, before condemning city officials as "legalized prostitutes."

He later told the news channel he hoped to take his anti-gay fight nationwide, including Las Vegas. "We want to take it to every city in the United States, wherever stuff goes on," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/grant-storms-anti-gay-louisiana-pastor-obscenity_n_1825132.html

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Oh vanwa, are you pissed because I corrected your spelling?

I don't get it. When I went to school, things were tougher. We HAD to learn or get left behind or go to summer school. Now days if you fall behind they turf you to another school. They don't hold students to standards. The whole thing comes down to "you can't make me". It's true, teachers can't make them learn and parents can't make them go to school. Quit coddling these kids. Make them pull up their pants, make them go to school and make them do their homework and check it to make sure it's done or they don't get their computer, phone, gameboy, car, friends, out of their room, etc.

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Another thing, have you seen the students from other countries? You know, the ones that are kicking our butts? They wear uniforms to school. That way there is no "my jeans are cooler than yours" and no $300 Nordstrom clothes and no latest Nikes or any of that crap. That's the way it should be here.

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox- Really? Is that all you got? Even your game is off luv. Time reboot my fellow drone.

mxfun118 — August 23, 2012 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

That's right, you not are the GO clone or drone - you are none other than her little Oedipus!!! A kin to love and you do it so very well.

soapbox4u — August 23, 2012 at 1:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk-

Not pissed at all.. It's more childish or imature IMHO.. But everyones "ENTITLED" get that.... LOL..

Wow I totally agree with your statement however and I find it deplorable to watch some kids and young adults interact with regard... Of respect to other people and property... But then when you see the parnet or parents you see how the big FA hit them on the head.... OBTW I was one of those students who had to wear a uniform in a european school for 5 years...It was what it was and it never seemed to bother me... Some schools public and private are going back to a dress code to speak of and some very strict dress codes... Try wearing a tee shirt with some of the content you see hanging on the kids today at lets say CC or Jesuit...They also have a 98.7% graduation rate and there sat test scores are the best in the state... And it costs less to go there than to educate a child in a public school...Teachers are also better and held to a different standard than the Union run public school system.. The union is more of the problem as teachers become complacent knowing it would take an act of congress to get fired.. there called hanger oners.. But theres many in all walks of life.. Those are the ones that need to go.. Oh we also had 35 kids per class as i understand from what my dear ol mum says...

So what do you think about the Atheists coming in and trying what there trying to do..

vanwadreamer — August 23, 2012 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just a few. The incidents at "Christian" schools are literally countless within the last year. And they aren't even Catholic!

Ex-Berks Christian principal arrested in sex assault

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=384856

Annapolis Area Christian School Superintendent Resigns Amid Scandal

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2012/01/13/annapolis-area-christian-school-superintendent-resigns-amid-scandal/

Ontario Coach Arrested for "Kissing and Touching" 14-Year-Old
The 56-year-old Ontario Christian High School coach was arrested near his home in Corona.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Soccer-Coach-Arrested-in-Sex-Case-Ontario-Christian-High-School-Gann-160535435.html

A teacher at the Schaumburg, IL, Christian School has been fired, and may face charges, after being caught masturbating in class and he now admits to having fantasies about students.

http://www.huliq.com/10304/teacher-sex-scandal-erupts-schaumburg-il-christian-school

Schaumburg Christian School’s teacher charged with sexual exploitation of a minor

http://iamarecoveringfundamentalist.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/schaumburg-christian-schools-teacher-charged-with-sexual-exploitation-of-a-mino/

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 2:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail, don't have to go far, wasn't there an incident here in Vancouver recently with a Kingsway Christian school staff person and student?

soapbox4u — August 23, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good memory soap. There's so many it's hard to keep track. This one involved woman on girl, having sex in the school and in church.

**Court documents: Christian school worker admitted to sex with student**

http://www.kptv.com/story/17151913/school-worker-accused-of-sexual-relationship-with-student

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'll take an atheist school over "Christian" anytime. At least you could trust them to teach science!

Kingsway, mentioned above, charges between $5,000 & $6,000 a year per student!

Evidently they have quite the sex ed program!

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...They also have a 98.7% graduation rate and there sat test scores are the best in the state... And it costs less to go there than to educate a child in a public school...Teachers are also better and held to a different standard than the Union run public school system.

It seems unfair to compare public and private schools. Studies have shown direct correlations between income (or lack thereof) and academic performance. Because most private schools are quite expensive, and I don't think folks are able to opt of of taxes by buying private school vouchers yet, I'm guessing the private schools are served up better students and more involved parents than are the public schools-both features again, have been shown directly related. And I wouldn't be surprised if many parents of low achieving students in private schools pull them out rather than pay thousands of dollars a year for dismal results. And a classroom of well-prepared, stable, and motivated students will obviously make teachers look better. Take one of these private school teachers, put him/her in front of a typical elementary school were my sister works. Thirty or so kids, a third don't speak English, may live in a tent, etc. Perhaps this environment will have that teacher underperforming their private school counterparts. Also, I have another sister, a teacher in public schools, that teaches autistic children, Do private schools have to provide such special ed needs? My grandaughter attended a private school and I never saw any disabled students, teachers, or parents when we picked her up daily-no buses, you know?

Another thing, which may or may not be true, but it seems as though many private schools are partially supported and housed by churches-again, my grand duaghter's was. Quite an advantage when construction costs for a public school are several hundred dollars per sq ft. I'm not sure, but I'd imagine most private schools' transportation costs are a fraction-if they exist at all-of a public school's transportation costs. So it seems a per student cost comparison to determine the "bang for you buck" is skewed well in favor of public schools. Almost akin to cherry picking students and locations.

I'm no teacher, so just sayin'.

mrd — August 23, 2012 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good points mrd. Public Ed is the fabric of American society. Equal opportunity for all used to mean something in this land, and I think still does for most.

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 4:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd, one of the most important correlations in looking at educational success, no matter the alma matter, teacher or cost is the family unit that supports the student.

soapbox4u — August 23, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - U.S. Anti-Doping Agency chief executive Travis Tygart says the agency will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles for doping.
Armstrong on Thursday night dropped any further challenges to USADA's allegations that he took performance-enhancing drugs to win cycling's premier event from 1999-2005.

Armstrong says USADA doesn't have the authority to vacate his Tour titles.

However, Tygart told The Associated Press that USADA can do it. Tygart called the Armstrong case a "heartbreaking" example of a win-at-all costs approach to sports.

***I knew it!***

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just as well. I'd rather see Obama win this state straight up. The judges reasoning sounds a bit suspect.

**Mitt Romney Washington State Lawsuit: Judge Rejects Libertarian Suit To Remove Candidate From Ballot**

In the suit filed last Thursday, the Libertarian Party argued that the GOP lost its major party status in the state due to the fact that the party's 2010 Senate nominee, Dino Rossi, was never formally nominated due to a technicality. Washington state law requires a major party's nominee to garner at least 5 percent of the vote in a statewide race during even years.

But McPhee said that Rossi was eventually selected by Republicans -- in a private meeting -- and that was good enough.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/mitt-romney-washington-state-lawsuit_n_1825897.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 8:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal



"So it seems a per student cost comparison to determine the "bang for your buck" is skewed well in favor of public schools"

for what it's worth, that should have read private schools. Oops.

BTW, for who cares, my alma mater is mentioned almost daily. Thanks, Hawkeye......Not sure however, about this "legends" division nonsense and all-I liked the Big 10 way back when. Besides, we could always beat Northwestern in football-back then. Now....it's all about the $$$$$. Zzzzzzz......and to think TV diminished the Rose Bowl. Another Zzzzz......Oh well! Go Hawkeyes!!

mrd — August 23, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry mrd, but I'm not THAT Hawkeye. I loved M*A*S*H, and Alan Alda was the best. Also, they called me that at work because I could catch a problem in a part half way across the plant.

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 8:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Bummer!! If people didn't think Paul was in it all along for the money, they should now. Loads his pockets and walks away. What a fraud! I wonder much moola Romney paid him off with. "charm and procedural hardball" = $$$+$$$

**No Ron Paul revolution at convention**

TAMPA, Fla. — The Republican establishment has quelled theRon Paul Revolution, at least for 2012.

Using a mix of charm and procedural hardball, Mitt Romney’s campaign and his allies who control the Republican National Committee have ensured that the Texas congressman will neither speak nor be formally nominated at next week’s convention. It’s a significant victory for Romney, who could have been faced with a raucous rebellion from the Paul crowd if he hadn’t extended an early, and diplomatic, olive branch to what’s become a key constituency.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80067.html#ixzz24QsvFYEQ

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 9:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal



When is the last time you have heard of a teacher being fired that was not related to mistreating students/committing a felony? When has a public school teacher been removed for unsatisfactory performance? Do you not know how a union works to "protect" it's members?

Measuring teacher effectiveness? Well there already exists standardized testing to see that students are achieving at the appropriate level. Notice these tests are administered by the teachers? In some cases they teach based on these tests (my kids have told me that teachers have said in class "remember this, it is on the state test"). Let's make it a little more difficult to do this.

We keep the testing, but they will be administered by someone from outside the school district, say from state DoE. Teacher will be nowhere near the exam site. Exams will never be identical from one year to the next. Track results not just by district or school but by instructor as well.

If a teacher performs subpar for 3 consecutive years, or for 4 years in a 10 year period, they should be removed.

Just my idea.

danabwoodley — August 23, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Basil-

I told you before, I will say it again. I ask question, and I listen. Whether talking to a teacher, administrator, or my kids. I want to know what they are learning. If that is RWTP, so be it. We all know that you will never agree with any point of view of a conservative.

And by your constant chants of "documented proof" or "data to support" is it safe to say you are an atheist?

danabwoodley — August 23, 2012 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And just so we are clear, I am not condemning the use of technology in school. Yes, computers are a part of our society today, and one needs to learn to use them.

I do believe, however, that for early education years, elementary school, the basic skills need to be taught in the archaic method of pen to paper. Once this skill is mastered, then move on to using the technology.

Technology can fail (it is built by humans afterall). While it does make life easier, and more interesting, perhaps we rely on it too much. We can use it, but must be prepared to use an older method should it fail.

I know some disagree, but that is to be expected.

danabwoodley — August 23, 2012 at 10:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I just have much more important things too do that read all the crap some people put up here, especially at night.

Hawkeye OUT!

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 11:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal



This would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. Well worth the look.

OBAMA 2012

**Todd Akin Is Not Alone: Outrageous Statements About Women (VIDEO)**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/todd-akin-video-mashup-outrageous-statements_n_1826661.html?utm_hp_ref=politics#slide=1003707

nailingit — August 23, 2012 at 11:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The arrogance! King Mitt will only answer what King Mitt deems appropriate. This guy is something else...

**Romney camp tells reporter: No questions on Akin, abortion**

Talking Points Memo interviewed Boyd, who says she resisted the rules. “It’s going to seem awkward if I don’t ask about it,’” she told the Romney staffer who handled the interview. But she was told “he’s said all he’s going to say about it.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/08/23/romney-tells-reporter-no-akin-no-abortion/

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 12:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Well, I just have much more important things too do that read all the crap some people put up here, especially at night."""

Yeah, I see what you mean...what showed up after your post and before mine...

I concur.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Why does the news have to get all in a dither over the lone shooter in NYC as if it's something new going on in the US??? Heck, it's happening in any town America. Don't get me wrong, folks. I honestly feel bad for the victims and witnesses as well as the family of the shooter having to deal with what he just did. What I'm blaming is mass media hype.

Could this be yet another example of sensationalized reporting in favor of banning ownership of firearms??? of a possible imminent threat in changing the US Constitution??? Of taking away rights of the citizens because of one lone, demented shooter???

sigh...

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 22, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.

Guess you've never heard of wildfire writing before, eh? All too obvious the way the news articles are written and published these days.

(sarcasm NOT ended)

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Mitt Romney Uses Secretive Data Mining To Identify Wealthy Donors**

WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney's success in raising hundreds of millions of dollars in the costliest presidential race ever can be traced in part to a secretive data-mining project that sifts through Americans' personal information – including their purchasing history and church attendance – to identify new and likely, wealthy donors, The Associated Press has learned.

For the data-mining project, the Republican candidate has quietly employed since at least June a little-known but successful analytics firm that previously performed marketing work for a colleague tied to Bain & Co., the management-consulting firm that Romney once led.

The head of Buxton Co. of Fort Worth, Texas, chief executive Tom Buxton, confirmed to the AP his company's efforts to help Romney identify rich and previously untapped Republican donors across the country. The Romney campaign declined to discuss on the record its work with Buxton or the project's overall success.

The project shows that the same strategies corporations use to influence the way we shop and think are now being used to influence presidential elections. The same personal information that we give away, often unwittingly when we swipe our credit cards or log into Facebook, is now being collected by the people who might one day occupy the White House.

The effort by Romney appears to be the first example of a political campaign using such extensive data analysis. President Barack Obama's re-election campaign has long been known as data-savvy, but Romney's project appears to take a page from the Fortune 500 business world and dig deeper into available consumer data.

Buxton said he's working for the Romney campaign because he wants "to be on the winning team."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/mitt-romney-data-mining_n_1827318.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal



crazytrain — August 24, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.

WOW!!!! Stop the presses!!!! The President called an Admiral a General !!! Horrible!!!

You better start impeachment proceedings immediately!!!

***BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL***

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 7:20 a.m

The latest news I just heard was that Michael Bloomburg (the Mayor) said that some of the people shot "could" have been shot by the Police in crossfire from trying to shoot the bad guy.

Talk about lack of gun control.

Of course for me, gun control means using two hands.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk @ 8:59- This general/admiral thing possibly isn't true. Trying to source this is tough. It would explain why this "crazy" avatar chose not to source it. Michele Malkin, Hotair (Malkin formed), Fox nation sites like these are producing it.

Like you said, even if true "big friggin' deal". Some will go to any length to discredit Obama, no matter how ridiculous it is. Kinda like covering a major news story like the NYC shooting is a conspiracy to disarm Americans...

Speaking of Admiral McRaven, Here is something substantive with meaning.

**McRaven gives 'fantastic' Obama credit for bin Laden raid**

ASPEN, Colo.—Republicans trying to play down President Barack Obama's decision to launch the raid that led to the death of Al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden are not getting much help from the military brass who oversaw the operation.

During a rare public interview on Wednesday, Adm. Bill McRaven, head of the U.S. Special Operations command, portrayed as bold and brave Obama's decision to order the raid despite significant doubts about whether bin Laden was at the Abbottabad, Pakistan compound.

"At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden of this operation, that made the hard decision," McRaven said during an on-stage interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer that served as the kickoff session of the Aspen Security Forum.

Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney has suggested that the decision to launch the raid was a no-brainer. "Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order," Romney said in April.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/07/mcraven-gives-fantastic-obama-credit-for-bin-laden-130150.html

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Unfortunately, if a teacher proves to be ineffective, the district has a hard time getting rid of them.*

danabwoodley — August 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.

Tell us how you 'know' this.

And walk through your thinking as to how to rate teacher effectiveness.

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2012 at 9:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk-
But your not hawkeye on mash, But what kinda hawk are you then.. One that gets his kicks outa calling someonme out for "poor spelling" but then can't see why the President gets called out for "Misunderstand" which branch a particular "gen" Oooppps Admiral that person should be in.. OOOPpps..

BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL

And that's the way it is.. Hoping for Change and Hope the next 4 years only this time we should be hoping that BHO is looking for a book tour Ala the perverted Mr Clinton and all the cronies speaking at the D convention..

vanwadreamer — August 24, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — August 24, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.

The RNC is doing everything in its power to alienate Paul supporters, and in doing so are guaranteeing that Obama is reelected. Romney can not win without the libertarian branch of the party. After today's ruling by the RNC, the election is basically over.

frobert — August 24, 2012 at 11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 9:19- Glenn Beck haunts the forum once again. This time from a comment section from "The Blaze". Evidently, no matter how off base or ridiculous it is, individual thought has taken a back seat for some...I guess anonymous posters comments on fringe sites are...

*"interesting facts...."*

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/07/19/a-picture-is-worth-1000-words-ultimate-sacrifice/

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"Could this be yet another example of sensationalized reporting in favor of banning ownership of firearms??? of a possible imminent threat in changing the US Constitution??? Of taking away rights of the citizens because of one lone, demented shooter???

sigh..."

I wonder how many lone, demented shooters it's gonna take before anything changes and people realize we really do have a problem to address. But as long as the NRA is well represented in Congress, I'm sure it'll be quite a while. Meanwhile, the mass murders will probably continue. Now there's a reason for a real big sigh.

mrd — August 24, 2012 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**TRENDING: Romney goes THERE: 'Birther' joke raises conspiracy theory [VIDEO]**

**This guy is nothing but a sleaze. He sways more & more independents to Obama every time he opens his mouth.**

"Throughout this campaign, Governor Romney has embraced the most strident voices in his party instead of standing up to them," LaBolt said. "It's one thing to give the stage in Tampa to Donald Trump, Sheriff Arpaio, and Kris Kobach. But Governor Romney's decision to directly enlist himself in the birther movement should give pause to any rational voter across America."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/24/romney-no-one-has-ever-asked-to-see-my-birth-certificate/?hpt=po_c2

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — August 24, 2012 at 11 a.m.

Well, that and......

nailingit 's — 1:17 p.m. post as an example of the myriad 'points of light' from their campaign.

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2012 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I thought to post this definition relating to "crazytrain's" post at 9:19 this morning. Just plain pathetic, on many levels. Pure gold!

pla·gia·rize verb \ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə-\
pla·gia·rizedpla·gia·riz·ing

Definition of PLAGIARIZE

transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source

intransitive verb
: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

— pla·gia·riz·er noun
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He plagiarized a classmate's report.

She plagiarized from an article she read on the Internet.
Origin of PLAGIARIZE

plagiary
First Known Use: 1716
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What made you want to look up plagiarize? *A cut & paste comment lifted from a Glenn Beck site and posted to the Columbian forum* Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible).

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GOP Party Platform Antagonizes the Sleeping Giant in Texas

Just imagine living in a Texas with all the swing-vote clout of a Florida or Wisconsin, where casting a blue vote doesn't amount to pissing into a Possum Kingdom wildfire. And imagine that the emerging demographic to court in this state instead feels marginalized by a Republican Party that treats folks who may be an uncle, a cousin, or a friend like some common criminals, unworthy of mercy and sanctuary. It reveals a kind of terminal political nearsightedness in the GOP, pandering to a contracting constituency.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/08/new_gop_party_platform_all_but.php

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 1:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — August 24, 2012 at 10:34 a.m

As a matter of fact, yes! I do get my kicks pointing out misspelled words, especially when the topic is EDUCATION! Can you say **IRONY?** I knew you could. Well, I suspected you could, who knows. It's an education thing. Know what I mean, Vern?

What kind of Hawk am I? The kind that sees all but only picks out what's important or necessary. Capice?

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh sorry vanwa, didn't mean to leave you hanging there....

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/italian_to_english/other/174623-capice.html

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — August 24, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.

I think we're in agreement that there has to be more stringent rules in just who should be able to possess firearms, but to take away the rights of the majority of gun owners because of those who abuse the right to keep and bear arms isn't the answer. I have a feeling it will come right down to a medical history check included in the background check. Any signs of mental illness will void the potential gun owner from "legally" possessing firearms.

The worst part of all of this mrd, is the fact that most of those who legally possess firearms aren't the ones you'd have to worry about. It's the ones who don't have the right to keep and bear arms and THAT'S the issue.

And before you tell me that nobody in the private sector should be allowed to have firearms, tell that to the ranchers in central Oregon whose livelihood in raising livestock for food on the table of people around the world are bludgeoned by the coyotes or to the ranchers in Eastern Oregon whose livestock are bludgeoned by the wolves our own government reintroduced into the wild. Try to tell the same to hunters...not only modern firearm, but muzzleloader hunters as well as archers who harvest food from the wilderness. Yes, each group INCLUDING archers, on occasion, must use a sidearm to put their harvest out of their misery. And try to tell the same to Alaskan Fishing as well as Travel Guides who must protect their customers from marauding Alaskan Browns, Grizzlies OR Kodiaks, depending on just where it is you are in Alaska.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 3:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"As a matter of fact, yes! I do get my kicks pointing out misspelled words,..."

You just might check out your last post from last night, sir. It appears you were typing with your thumbs. Either that or your eyes were trying to close, lol.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


crazytrain — August 24, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.

EXACTLY!!!

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey all you Tat. artists out there in Columbianland, a heads up for you. There's a nationally-distributed tattoo ink being sold to tattoo parlors which isn't so sanitary...Washington included:

http://news.yahoo.com/hidden-risks-getting-tattoo-113631936.html

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.

OK Mrs. Smartypants, want to point it out? I'm not going to take your word for it.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, I just have much more important things too do that read all the crap some people put up here, especially at night.

Hawkeye OUT!

hawkeye — August 23, 2012 at 11:15 p.m.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't ya just hate it when someone finds something with which you're in denial???

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OMG!!!! "that" instead of "than".

How horrible!!!

BUT, and that's a BIG BUT. It isn't misspelled, it's the wrong word. Soooo, I might have been wrong but so were you.

Try again.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 5:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*The Kids Are All Right*

In relation the recent conversations about education, things aren't as bad as some think. For those whose care, check this data out.

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/about/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/08/kids-school-test-scores-charts-kevin-drum

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Don't ya just hate it when someone finds something with which you're in denial???

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Somebody hand her a mirror for self reflection. Or buy her a clue.

The old adage of taking your own advice certainly plays out in her statement.

soapbox4u — August 24, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Your cut & paste from a commenter at the blaze without sourcing is plagiarism. Read the def. Pathetic. Even when you're caught red handed you deny.

I already sourced your post @ 9:19 from the Blaze @ 11:06. I understand you wanting to change your verbiage with this identity. Zero creativity on your own. Your "wildfire" writes have gone to the swamp!!!

Solid gold!!!

You do provide a fascinating study in ... human behavior!!! Avatarially speaking!!!

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.

mr_basil_seal — August 24, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.

Apparently plagiarism is so common with some people they even cut and paste from their own posts.

danabwoodley — August 23, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.

Take a look at that one basil, I explain my idea for measuring teacher effectiveness.

Oh sorry. I forgot. You cannot be bothered wasting time looking over an idea from a conservative. We are all just evil and spouting talking points.

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Enough with the nonsense. No matter what the reason, as long as some garner attention they're happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6CqE_...

Some hard truths for a few. Kinda destroys some right wing talking points many have. :))

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Apparently some can't wrap their heads around the meaning of plagiarism. i.e. DBW, "crazy". btw Merriam-Webster is my source for definitions as I've previously stated. A couple of you seem to be quite slow tonight. Reread def @ 1:34 if needed.

Amazing!

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 8:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The Pres remarks in which the rank of a Navy flag officer was stated incorrectly, and some are asking "What's the big deal?" You are right, there are quite a few other issues facing us in 2012. Economy, jobs, budget.... What does an officer's rank have to do with anything?

I will tell you. I am sure we are all aware that when a president takes the oath of office, he assumed command of the Armed Forces (you know, Commander in Chief). I will agree that he need not be a war fighting expert, after all that is why he has generals/admirals. But you would think he would at least have a little understanding of the forces he is commanding. To overlook a trivial thing like rank demonstrates an apathy to the services.

No, this shouldn't be the issue that makes you decide who you are going to vote for, but something to consider.

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well Mr. Hawkeye, Mrs. Smartypants wants to point out to you the context of your sentence so let's begin. I'll do you a favor and point out the other obvious error you had missed:

"Well, I just have much more important things ***too*** do ***that*** read all the crap some people put up here, especially at night."

Now if we truly want to get technical, you misspelled the word "to." "Too," synonymous with "also," is not the appropriate word choice in the original sentence you wrote. Grammatically speaking, it would be my opinion to insert the word "rather" between do and than. I would also recommend a punctuation review IF you were going for absolute perfection.

My point??? It's a friggin' opinion section!!! Who gives a rat's behind if someone doesn't spell something correctly or doesn't put in the right punctuation??? It's not a danged school assignment, you know.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


One more thing, Hawkeye...

Several years ago, I was formally trained as a Proofreading Specialist. Thanks for letting me give it a go ahead after so many years when you responded to my comment at 4:49 pm. BTW, it does irk me when it is the actual context of the articles in newspapers or on the web with so many typos and obvious lack of proofreading performed by these entities; the same entities we have considered as credible sources to back up our statements. As far as opinion sections...it's all a form of expression and should be overlooked when it comes to grammatical errors.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


soapbox4u — August 24, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.

You're funny.

Every day is a day of education in my life. To understand the whimsical minds of the fabulous forum dwellers and the point they convey so that I can better understand what it is they share can be a challenge in itself; but to have a consistent hack who finds nothing better to do than make irritating attempts to discredit or discourage others such as myself from writing...it gets old. Nice try, though. It'll take more than the muck you're slinging to push me away from the forum, soapie. I admit I am not perfect and I hate to tell you this but neither are you, so do yourself a favor...either get involved in the subjects at hand or get off your high horse and take a flyin' leap off your 2" high pedestal...

And watch out, the mud you're slinging is getting pretty deep.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.

Confusion???

Delirium???

Short term memory loss???

Classic symptoms!!!

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


LOLOLOLOLOL@ nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 7:53 p.m

the blaze? what in the ...is the blaze? Hmmmmmmm?

If you MUST know where I found it...one clue..the name reagan... now go find it!

I don't know why you seem to think I am some person you think I am..want to meet me nail? You game? 5 seconds, you to see that I am what I say I am and for me to give you the one finger salute.

crazytrain — August 24, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Classy!!! Click on the Blaze link provided @ 11:06. Word for word. Anyone can view it. You certainly have earned your handle!!! What a charade!!!

Now, enough attention for you till you screw up again. Go bake a zucchini loaf or something!!!

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 8:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 8:17 p.m

Oh NOOOOO, ***TWO*** words!!! (did I spell that one right your highness?) Big deal. WHO ASKED YOU? So you WERE a professional proof reader, good for you. You should be so proud of yourself. Why don't you spend some (a lot) of time on vanwa's posts. Maybe you can help him.

As a rule, I don't usually correct people on this forum, it just struck me wrong when vanwa was ragging on teachers, the education system and Principals and then spelled it "principle" instead. Irony involved.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- This is bizarre! However,for kicks & giggles--- who would you pick for your second?

langenthal — August 24, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wow. Everyone talks about someone spouting talking points. Everyone wants to demonize those they disagree with by talking of their attack on whatever group. But when someone gives an opinion you disagree with, what do we respond with?

Point out spelling/grammatical errors.

Pick apart another's words to make them sound foolish.

Insist upon sourcing without providing your own.

Question another's integrity.

Imply they are lying without any evidence.

Call the opposition by vulgar names.

Blame someone else for the problems.

Maybe that is why we haven't been able to recover. Can we act like grown ups?

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 9:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

The democrats are the party of hate and fear, they need to attack because they can't support their own position. I may disagree with you on many points but personal attacks are usually uncalled for and only point out the weakness of the attackers position.

frobert — August 24, 2012 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.

A temper tantrum? Naw...couldn't be...not at 60+ years old.

BTW, vanwadreamer wasn't pointing out your errors. I merely took note of your little boo boo's shortly after you pointed vanwa's out. It's part of the game here on the forum. You of all people should know that, hawk.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — August 24, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.

Yup, that be you. That is unless someone goes after your hero Ru Paul. Is that right? I can't remember, oh well if I'm wrong, I'm sure either you or Goldie will be sure to let me know.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 9:46 p.m

Fine. I could take this on and point out ALL your crap for what it is but you know what? I have better things to do with my time.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 9:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.

Nail makes idiotic misinformed statements concerning Ron Paul on an almost daily basis, and I usually decline to respond.

frobert — August 24, 2012 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


oops...I'm going apostrophe crazy in my writes tonight. Hawkeye, you didn't catch my errors? Oh wait...let me insert a little education comment first, then I'll be fair game!

Anybody concerned with the social studies curriculum in the public school system across the US as part of the curriculum necessary for graduation? At least for the class of 2016 in Washington State, the credit requirements will be raised to 3 credits necessary to graduate. A half credit of Civics will be added to the existing requirements. You know, it is rumored that some schools aren't even educating the students on the US Constitution??? Guess it's time to do a little research.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 9:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk, you have better things to do with your time...like watching your grass grow??? That's a classic written by you, my fellow forum dweller. You know what...I think we ALL have better things to do with our time, but we choose to share in discussion here on the forum instead. This is where I truly wish we had a feature where we could emphasize our talking points. Remember what I said earlier...

"""My point??? It's a friggin' opinion section!!! Who gives a rat's behind if someone doesn't spell something correctly or doesn't put in the right punctuation??? It's not a danged school assignment, you know."""

Take a chill pill, dude.

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Time to change the subject a bit here...

In St. Helens Oregon, there was a fire at a Les Schwab Tire Center. You suppose the local fuel industry will have to hike prices because of that as well??? There's a storm approaching Florida...Tropical Storm Isaac, soon to turn into a Category 1 hurricane has a projected path along the west coast of Florida. Any bets the oil rigs will have to prematurely shut down, causing a spike in fuel costs? (and yes, said with a touch of sarcasm)

goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 10:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.

This post illustrates my point. Name calling.

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 10:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I know many think I am so far right that I could not possibly see a big corporation doing anything wrong. I do, however, have one thing critical to say about the oil industry. I don't know if it is the entire chain that oil is handled through, but I do see it at the consumer level, and it really bothers me.

Has anyone ever lived near a gas station and noticed when they recieve deliveries of fuel? Now watch when they recieve the delivery, and how many times will the price go up before the next shipment is recieved? Did they get a call saying they have to pay more for what they have already gotten and paid for? I know I don't know much about retail, but do all products get treated this way?

Just make me wonder.

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 10:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- This is bizarre! However,for kicks & giggles--- who would you pick for your second?

langenthal — August 24, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.

What's up langenthal! For a second avatar? ..... I don't know. Depends on motivation. If I wanted a sockpuppet to support my arguments and throw compliments towards me, as seems to be the current trend on the C, I suppose Jesus Christ. He's reputed to be intuitive and it's been the rumor he can still heal the sick & cast out demons so I figure this forum would keep him busy. :))

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 10:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


tolerance: the ability to have strong opinions while still remaining cordial and civil to others holding opposite opinions.

anybody care to give it a shot? or are some of us so steeped in koolaid they no longer have an independent brain cell....

personally, i think there are some who couldn't generate an independent thought if the future of the country depended on it.

DeeLittle — August 24, 2012 at 11:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Pray I die. If not, just remember, some day you will be alone. It will be dark. And I will have a Louisville.

danabwoodley — August 21, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.

hawkeye — August 24, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.

This post illustrates my point. Name calling.

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.

Enough said! :))))) No it's not........WOW! At least hawk isn't threatening a violent cowardly act while sitting behind a desk slacking off on duty while on the taxpayer dime.

Some of you guys/girls/girlguys are just astounding! You all seem to carry the same trait...

Conservative!

A little political discussion is cool, but some of you guys...way over the top!!!

nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 11:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


..oh..and lou....?

you're sure touchy about my posts, huh....they keep disappearing.

DeeLittle — August 24, 2012 at 11:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 24, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.

This post also illustrates my point. Pick apart another's words to make them sound foolish.

Nail conveniently forgets about the rest of the conversation, including their own posts, that led to the Louisville remark.

Another point illustrated. Blame someone else.

danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 11:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Conservatives. They'll justify anything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6qIoM...

A little late night humor, for those that have a sense of one.

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


dana... in the spirit of 'those who can, do. those who can't, teach' those who obsess about little format errors, small grammatical mistakes and typo/spelling errors post about them because that's all they've got left to say.

sad, really.

DeeLittle — August 25, 2012 at 12:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


True Dee.

Also sad is those that will post things in an attempt at humor. But when the humor is returned, they cry foul. (ie code re/Louisville)

Lesson in a nutshell:

If you can't take it, don't dish it.

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 1:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


In my day 'blaze' meant to fire one up.

Right drift? LOL

JohnCasey — August 25, 2012 at 5:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — August 24, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

You probably know that your 'ideas' are already standard procedure, right?

Now, tell us how, specifically, you would go about rating teacher effectiveness.

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2012 at 6:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yep. Let's burn one, Johnny!

Drift — August 25, 2012 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


They are standard procedure? You mean when State mandated tests are administered, the teachers aren't present, and proctors are from outside the district? The tests are changed annually? The results are calculated and stats produced by teacher? Are teachers even counseled on substandard performance?

Why don't you tell me exactly what you would like to know, since apparently you don't seem to see I already explained it.

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 6:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

What are your parameters, the rubric, of judging "teacher effectiveness"?

How much 'fraud' are you going to catch with the outside proctors? How much is that going to cost? What evidence do you have that you are trying to solve an actual problem?

You do know that most standardized tests are routinely changed, right? That about 10 % of most tests are questions that are being tested, compared with existing questions, right?

*"Are teachers even counseled on substandard performance?"*

Sounds like you should be calling or visiting your district administration and have them walk through the programs and policies......

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil-

Are you in the education business?

I suggest the outside proctors to ensure there is no possibility of anyone with a vested interest in the performance to have an opportunity to affect the outcome. The tactic isn't to catch the fraud, but to prevent it.

Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to find any information on existing exams and routines. I am surprised, though, that you state such a thing without some sort of supporting link to go with it.

And I do intend to ask the administrators one I return and am geographically located where we are attending school. The previous district we attended weren't very forthcoming with any info. Not even when I asked the board.

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


#In Toll of 2,000, New Portrait of Afghan War

By JAMES DAO and ANDREW W. LEHREN

His war was almost over. Or so Marina Buckley thought when her son Lance Cpl. Gregory T. Buckley Jr. told her that he would be returning from southern Afghanistan to his Marine Corps base in Hawaii in late August, three months early.

Gregory Buckley Sr. and Marina Buckley gripped the flags on Saturday at the burial of their son Lance Cpl. Gregory T. Buckley Jr. of the Marines, on Long Island. He was the 1,990th service member killed as the death toll made its way to 2,000.
Instead, Lance Corporal Buckley became the 1,990th American service member to die in the war when, on Aug. 10, he and two other Marines were shot inside their base in Helmand Province by a man who appears to have been a member of the Afghan forces they were training.

A week later, with the death of Specialist James A. Justice of the Army at a military hospital in Germany, the United States military reached 2,000 dead in the nearly 11-year-old conflict, based on an analysis by The New York Times of Department of Defense records. The calculation by The Times includes deaths not only in Afghanistan but also in Pakistan and other nations where American forces are directly involved in aiding the war.

Nearly nine years passed before American forces reached their first 1,000 dead in the war. The second 1,000 came just 27 months later, a testament to the intensity of fighting prompted by President Obama’s decision to send 33,000 additional troops to Afghanistan in 2010, a policy known as the surge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/war-in-afghanistan-claims-2000th-american-life.html

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.

Yet, both the Republican and Democrat parties, insist that Libertarian foreign policy is just too dangerous.

frobert — August 25, 2012 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sounds like you should be calling or visiting your district administration and have them walk through the programs and policies......

mr_basil_seal — August 25, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.

DBW --- If you are looking for information on testing in WA, you might want to start at OSPI. Please listen to mr_basil_seal in the meantime. You need some grounding in facts. I've added the link for Diane Ravitch also. Although that's more for readers who are interested in public education and supporting teachers. She discusses testing.

http://www.k12.wa.us/assessment/StateTesting/

http://www.dianeravitch.com/

This is Ravitch's excellent blog:

http://dianeravitch.net/

langenthal — August 25, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk-

Maybe you don'y understand "comprehension"... I didn't "RAD" on teachers.. I pointed out our "Bloated" top heavy public schools system compared with the private sector...DW mentioned axing poor teavhers which I agree with.. It's like you and Nail and Soap live in a box and anyhting outside of it just doesn't fit... You all need to get some sun today my friends and enjoy this weather prior to the syn setting again at 4:35 in dead of winter, maybe the natural vitamin D will do ta good...I'm heading to the river for the afternoon, maybe catch something for din din....CYL

vanwadreamer — August 25, 2012 at 9:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal



**Obama: Mitt Romney Holds 'Extreme Views,' Would Make Things Worse For The Middle Class [VIDEO]**

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Mitt Romney has locked himself into "extreme positions" on economic and social issues and would surely impose them if elected, trying to discredit his Republican rival at the biggest political moment of his life.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Obama said Romney lacks serious ideas, refuses to "own up" to the responsibilities of what it takes to be president, and deals in factually dishonest arguments that could soon haunt him in face-to-face debates.

Obama also offered a glimpse of how he would govern in a second term of divided government, insisting rosily that the forces of the election would help break Washington's stalemate. He said he would be willing to make a range of compromises with Republicans, confident there are some who would rather make deals than remain part of "one of the least productive Congresses in American history."

The moment that could finally shake up a close race could come in the three debates Obama and Romney hold in October. The president said Romney could run into trouble because of arguments that are not backed up by facts, citing a widely debunked television ad campaign in which Romney accuses Obama of gutting the work requirement in the federal welfare law.

"It will be a little tougher to defend face-to-face," Obama said.

Read more @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/obama-interview-ap_n_1830115.html

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


> Are you in the education business? -- danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 7:17 a.m.

Yes Dana, he is. And it explains alot.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


> Those spouting that rwtp tend to conflate the act of moving a pen with the thinking process of writing.....
>
> It helps simplify their thinking.

So says basil @mr_basil_seal — August 23, 2012 at 9:21 a.m

Tell us how you KNOW this. Walk us through your thinking.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And once again, and again:

> From an earlier discussion:

> The point of argument is that being gay is a biological fact.... -- mr_basil_seal — December 2, 2011 at 6:30 p.m.

Yet basil refused to source his claim. Hardly the only time this has happened.

> Considering how frequently mister bs chides others to support their claims, one would think he would readily do so himself. -- kn_dalai — December 4, 2011 at 10:50 a.m.

Still waiting basil.

July 10, 2012 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Still waiting bs, still waiting...

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The natives are getting restless...

Some great commentary across the pond from research done up north. A great read!

**The right's stupidity spreads, enabled by a too-polite left**

Conservativism may be the refuge of the dim. But the room for rightwing ideas is made by those too timid to properly object

But, drawing on a sample size of several thousand, correcting for both education and socioeconomic status, the new study looks embarrassingly robust. Importantly, it shows that prejudice tends not to arise directly from low intelligence but from the conservative ideologies to which people of low intelligence are drawn. Conservative ideology is the "critical pathway" from low intelligence to racism. Those with low cognitive abilities are attracted to "rightwing ideologies that promote coherence and order" and "emphasise the maintenance of the status quo". Even for someone not yet renowned for liberal reticence, this feels hard to write.

This is not to suggest that all conservatives are stupid. There are some very clever people in government, advising politicians, running thinktanks and writing for newspapers, who have acquired power and influence by promoting rightwing ideologies.

But what we now see among their parties – however intelligent their guiding spirits may be – is the abandonment of any pretence of high-minded conservatism. On both sides of the Atlantic, conservative strategists have discovered that there is no pool so shallow that several million people won't drown in it. Whether they are promoting the idea that Barack Obama was not born in the US, that man-made climate change is an eco-fascist-communist-anarchist conspiracy, or that the deficit results from the greed of the poor, they now appeal to the basest, stupidest impulses, and find that it does them no harm in the polls.

Read more @

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/06/right-stupidity-spreads-enabled-polite-left#start-of-comments

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 24, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.

RE: Will the oil companies shut down wells and raise prices due to the hurricane?

As soon as it hit Haiti the news channels began mentioning this possibility. Odd, considering it's supposed to hit around the Keys and hug the Gulf side of the Florida peninsula on its way north. And this is just a dinky little Cat 1 storm. Something says our trips to the gas pump are going to be most painful the next few months.

roger — August 25, 2012 at 12:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


>
Many college freshmen can't do basic math, and some instructors are dumbing down their classes to accommodate them...

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Freshmen-s-weak-math-skills-worry-UW-faculty-1265873.php#ixzz24aSvU6V9

Just one of a plethora of information on the subject availalble on the internet.

Ever notice how well the children of asian immigrants do? I sure have. Check out the national spelling bee or the national geography bee e.g. Year after year.

In all fairness to the NEA union members, I suspect it says alot more about the mores of the pop culture, than it does about about educators.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Then again,

Just where have those mores ccome from? Hmmm.

I guess everything is different now than it was before. Say a couple hundred years ago.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Neil Armstrong, first man on the moon, dies**

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/us/neil-armstrong-obit/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 1:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.

I remember years ago when the concern was that college students couldn't answer simple questions like where (insert country) is on the map. I recall we identified that schools were focusing more on teaching "issues" and less on the basics. Teaching to think creatively, rather than rote memorization, was the justification. I'm all for creative thinking - hell, you have to think creatively to understand calculus, physics, politics, etc. But they went way overboard.

My youngest was in an advanced placement history class up in Lakewood - he showed me their course syllabus for the year. First semester was history of South/Central America, and second was of Africa. I went and yanked him; had him placed in the regular history class. The school wasn't happy with my reason for this - that while each of those regions had history worth knowing, when compared to the significance of the history of Europe, Asia and Asia Minor, those continents deserved about 2 weeks each. I recall being called racist by the young teacher who thought my outlook was somewhat narrow minded.

roger — August 25, 2012 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"The point of argument is that being gay is a biological fact.... -- mr_basil_seal — December 2, 2011 at 6:30 p.m. Yet basil refused to source his claim. Hardly the only time this has happened." "Considering how frequently mister bs chides others to support their claims, one would think he would readily do so himself." -- kn_dalai — December 4, 2011 at 10:50 a.m. "Still waiting basil." -- kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.

Sorry, kn_dalai, but Lord Basil has referenced a source - In response to my assertion that homosexuality is a learned behavior, based on life experiences, environment, and culture. This was some months back. There's a study somewhere that claims they've traced a genetic difference - chromosomes different somehow. Frankly, I wouldn't bet the bank that the study is worth the paper it's printed on, but.... Anyhow, he did provide a source.

roger — August 25, 2012 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1!

Hmmmmm....

"Just in case you wander into a voting booth one day, there are some things you should know," Will McAvoy, the fictional news anchor in the new US television drama, The Newsroom, tells a college student in the opening episode of the show.

"One of 'em is there's absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labour force and number four in exports."

He continues: "We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real and defence spending, where we spend more than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies."

The author concludes by saying the next election will simply be to select the person to lead us to our demise, and the scary part is, he's probably right. The system is owned by those with little interest in anything other than themselves, the elite, and they'll do OK. They have us the masses, to make sure they'll do just fine.

mrd — August 25, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Republican Convention Delayed As Isaac Approaches**

[Tampa Bay] With Hurricane Isaac on the move, the much anticipated Republican convention has been delayed indefinitely. Strip clubs are expected to be filled to over capacity during this time. Alcohol consumption, prostitution services and Burger King usage are expected to hit record highs. Governor Rick Scott, Jeb Bush and three unnamed young latino males were spotted canoodling with the Kock brothers. One of the brothers was quoted as saying, "My pockets run deep essay!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/republican-convention-delayed_n_1830622.html

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i figure that's what college students are actually being taught about their country. in fact, it's specious.

when something, ANYthing of a catastrophic nature, happens in the world, where do they look for help? to us.

which country in the world has provided more immigrants the ability to rise above the station of their homeland's family? us.

where do boat people risk their lives to reach? us.

where did all major scientific breakthroughs originate since wwii? us

the figures cited above and no doubt taught in school reflect about 40 years' worth of our history.

if THAT'S all this country is to (generic) you, then please feel free to make your mark in another country. around here, we need the people who made us great to roll up their sleeves, get out their work gloves, and fix this mess.

DeeLittle — August 25, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal



roger — August 25, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.

Hey Roger, I was just reading an article by Reuters and it appears the largest of the platforms in the world will be shut down till this storm makes it's mind which way it's headed. If the storm turns to the west, it could affect oil production. Guess they don't want to take any chances with the employees of the platforms. Even a "weak" category I hurricane can be a bad experience.

Here's a clip from the article:

*If Isaac stays on the track projected by U.S. forecasters, it will skirt the eastern edge of the U.S. offshore production area, which accounts for 23 percent of U.S. oil and 7 percent of its natural gas output.*

*However, oil traders said that a westward shift in Isaac's track could bring it into the heart of the offshore oil patch and spur significant supply disruptions.*

*A westward shift makes precautionary production shutdowns more likely and could also affect refining and other energy infrastructure along the U.S. Gulf Coast, J.P. Morgan said in a note on Friday.*

Here's the link:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/24/storm-isaac-energy-idINL2E8JO7DN20120824

BTW, the Thunderhorse Offshore Drilling Field produces about 250,000 barrels of oil and about 200 million cubic feet of natural gas per day according to the general data I researched on the internet. This IS a big deal and they should take all precautions. Regarding my comment about Les Schwab and the price of fuel...that was all sarcasm. Now some people at that facility are out of work which sucks. Regarding Isaac, I didn't think the storm which at the time when I posted was that big of a deal but the storm's pressure has dropped to 997 mb and is still increasing in intensity. I think the folks of Florida as well as the folks who own the oil field platforms are doing the right thing in this case. Only time will tell.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2012 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Methinks the price of gas will continue to rise well after Labor Day.

goldenoldie — August 25, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*The author concludes by saying the next election will simply be to select the person to lead us to our demise, and the scary part is, he's probably right. The system is owned by those with little interest in anything other than themselves, the elite, and they'll do OK. They have us the masses, to make sure they'll do just fine.*

mrd — August 25, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.

Possibly the reasoning behind low voter turnout???

goldenoldie — August 25, 2012 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> Sorry, kn_dalai, but Lord Basil has referenced a source -
>
> roger — August 25, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.

I think you’re wrong about that.

I happen to believe that some are born as homosexual. I have no desire to cause them any problems. But my point is that basil stated that it was a biological FACT. I’ve seen studies myself on the subject, but they are hardly conclusive. Basil himself, NEVER attempted to prove his claim, other than referencing school councilors, and some esoteric sources which he said are not widely available. You yourself commented on the unlikelyhood of such important information not being widely available.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.

That just proves my point, even God doesn't like Mitt.

frobert — August 25, 2012 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal



frobert- Mitt and politicians in general I'm afraid (although Mitt is as sleazy as they come). Just watched interesting interview on CNN with Buddy Roemer and Gary Johnson. My wish that we move away from a two party system in my lifetime may never happen I'm afraid. A four or five way party contest with spending limitations has always seemed to me the right way to go.

What's up with Paul taking a back seat? Highly disappointed with that. Although I disagree with him on much, I agree with him on some important issues. i.e. foreign policy, individual freedoms etc. Also I was looking forward to the RP crowd causing a major ruckus at the convention. Why has his bite turned into bark? I figure it's money as I stated earlier.

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I will agree on the party system. We need to get away from the two party system. But four or five parties?

How about no parties? How about a person puts themselves out there for election, stand completely on their own? Without a major power behind them? There is a lot of talk about Super PACs, and the candidates saying they are not affiliated with them and have no control of their activities. I throw the BS Flag. While the candidates name may not be on that group, they are most certainly in some way shape or form involved.

I believe there are numerous disenfanchised elligible voters out there. Disenfranchised because they see all politicians as crooked. They believe their one vote will not make a difference because the great powers sway the sycophants to their side. That is why so many don't even register, much less vote.

I believe political fundraising for an individuals campaign should be banned. How many other occupations do you know can you get your potential future boss to help pay for your efforts to get them to hire you? We are being duped everyone. Especially when so many of these politicians are so wealthy already (I am talking about Mitt AND the President, among others).

But we, collectively, continue to allow ourselves to be herded like lambs to slaughter.

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Talking points.

Have you noticed that when a conservative assers their oppinion on a topic, liberals are quick to screams they are spouting right wing talking points? My question is doesn't the door swing both ways?

Liberals on here insist that is all I put on here is RWTP. They have absolutely concluded that I am incapable of independent thought.

But then we have from them as I pointed out earlier. And we have this wonderful editorial shared by nail (nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.) that questions conservative intelligence. (and basil might note, the editorial author cites no study to assert the claim)

Then the liberal will give an opinion citing sources like Rachel Maddow, HuffPo, or Bill Maher. This isn't left wing talking points? But they insist it is independent thought.

You can't have it both ways people. Either admit your sycophancy, or allow others opinions without the attacks.

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Romney's campaign is based on the economy tanking under Pres Obama. He's not happy with a few Repub governors who are letting it be known things are improving in their states.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-21/romney-campaign-said-to-ask-scott-to-downplay-job-gains.html

Florida is one of those swing states Romney has to win. Gov Scott has alienated a few voter blocs - the Repub governor is being branded an outcast by his party in an effort to save Romney's chances in the state.

Looks like the clown show is continuing - they just changed out a few players. I've thought for quite a while the Repubs want to lose the Presidency - either these guys are truly idiots, or....

roger — August 25, 2012 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — August 25, 2012 at 4:33 p.m.

The word is Oikophopia. I think it has something to do with:

- familiarity breeds contempt.

or maybe:

- the grass is greener on the other side...

or maybe:

- hate America first.

[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704147804575455523068802824.html][1]

Unfortunately, it seems to have become a cornerstone of the American Left.

Look up"Roger Scruton" who coined the term, and his thoughts on Western acedemia.

[1]: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704147804575455523068802824.html

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK. Oikophobia, not Oikophopia. I guess you could figure that yourself. Have to correct myself before a certain...person...does so for me.

kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


don't worry kn_

i haven't read 'a certain...person' for ever so long. my time's valuable (to me, anyway) and listening to the bleating of a goebles'-inspired operative is definitely wasting it.

DeeLittle — August 25, 2012 at 11:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*i almost never re-post something i've written on the fb side, but this topic is SO important to me, i wanted to get feedback/opinions/opposing ideas about it. so, here it is:*

> Blockquote

Allen Hoff

those 'reproduction rights' are their RELIGIOUS beliefs, and they have a 1st amendment right to NOT have them violated by the prez. beyond that, i fail to see any traction to anything about a 'war'. it's just more political buzzwords to make sound-bites for the faithful. track down some of those allegations...you'll find them bogus smoke screens trying to take the people's attention away from the crisis we're in.

you want to talk about how to fix the country? make thousands of jobs? build the pipeline from canada or finally be able to forecast future costs of starting a small business and hiring people? good. you want to talk about some trumped-up 'war' on whatever...sorry. i've got work to do and no time for that nonsense.

i'm planning major space for growing vegetables for next season's garden, because i KNOW prices wil climb. RIGHT NOW, i can barely afford hamburger. what's it going to be like next spring? fish? forget it. i don't have $20/lb to pay for any. bread's up to $5 a loaf, and this is BEFORE factoring in the crop failures. i buy only when there's a major price reduction for fruit, vegetables, staples, paper products....and it ain't getting better.

say what you like about paul ryan, but he's got a point about re-doing social security. i'm on ssdi right no. i live luxuriously on $900 a month - for two. if i had taken the gvt-confiscated fica from my paychecks throughout my working life, had the employer match it (as he's required to do now) and invested it , EVEN PUT IT IN A SAVINGS ACCOUNT, i'd have enough to retire quite confortably.

so, yeah. let them "eliminate social security as we know it". LET them replace it with a voucher system that's required by law (and verified on tax returns) to be invested in SOMEthing...savings account, no-risk 401k's, anything, and those retiring on those funds would be the best-served since fdr started this ponzi scheme. and the best part of all...?

THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T GET IT'S HANDS ON THAT 'LOCK BOX' BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYER PERSONALLY.

DeeLittle — August 25, 2012 at 11:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


:)))))) It's the ol' I've got mine (such as it is) and screw everyone else attitude. Thank God Conservatives are a dying breed. The average age of a Fox News viewer is 65 and growing older. Attrition can be a wonderful thing.

Anyway..........:)))))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tmRQP...

A twofer. Of a Republican historical narrative, weak democrats, and those who ingest tea. Engaging conversation.

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 11:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


:)))))) It's the ol' I've got mine (such as it is) and screw everyone else attitude. Thank God Conservatives are a dying breed. The average age of a Fox News viewer is 65 and growing older. Attrition can be a wonderful thing.

*i almost never re-post something i've written on the fb side,* Many thanks.

Anyway..........:)))))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tmRQP...

A twofer. Of a Republican historical narrative, weak democrats, and those who ingest tea. Engaging conversation.

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 11:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry for the double post. A columbian technical thing came up the first time indicating it wasn't posted.

nailingit — August 25, 2012 at 11:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The noose is tightening. A HuffPo post to complete the unholy trinity.

**Mitt Romney Reaped Huge Tax Benefits Based On 'Active' Role At Bain Capital**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/26/romney-bain-taxes_n_1828816.html

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 12:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*"""i'm planning major space for growing vegetables for next season's garden, because i KNOW prices wil climb. RIGHT NOW, i can barely afford hamburger. what's it going to be like next spring? fish? forget it. i don't have $20/lb to pay for any. bread's up to $5 a loaf, and this is BEFORE factoring in the crop failures. i buy only when there's a major price reduction for fruit, vegetables, staples, paper products....and it ain't getting better."""*

YAY!!! I'm proud of ya, DeeLittle. If you don't already know how to harvest your seed for the following year's project, now is a good time to study up so that when you purchase your vegetable seeds, you'll know which ones will produce and which ones are chemically-treated and will not reproduce. You'll also be looking for those which are not hybridized to the point that they are "mules." PLUS...you won't have to buy as many of those little packets in the store every year, either. I have an inkling the prices will be climbing there as well.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Thank God Conservatives are a dying breed."""

I see you're praying again. And the message you pray??? You keep telling yourself that, you silly one.

BTW, that fog you're trying to see through isn't fog. You just might take your size X-Small blinders off and clean the front of them once in awhile. You also might get a larger size for that swelled head of yours.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Todd Akin's Pals Got Some Junk Science For You: HuffPost List**

DARWIN AWARD WINNER: Social conservatives think they've caught science giving away the game when they refer to the "theory of evolution," believing that this is an admission that Darwin's greatest contribution to the modern understanding of biology is actually entirely speculative, and not merely termed a "theory" because the process -- while backed up to the nines with hard data -- cannot actually be observed in real time. Bill Nye, who correctly points out that evolution is "the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology," recently begged America's Creationists to not inculcate their kids against evolution, because "we need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future." Unfortunately for Nye, Texas Gov. Rick Perry doesn't see things the same way. At a campaign stop in the early primary season, he told a child, "In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution. I figure you're smart enough to figure out which one is right." Tough news for Nye. But the Texas GOP recently declared, in the 2012 party platform, that it is opposed to teaching critical thinking skills to children on the grounds that it undermines "parental authority," so everything will probably turn out fine.

Read the rest of the list @

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/todd-akins-science_n_1830383.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Former Gov. Charlie Crist: Here's why I'm backing Barack Obama**

The president's response was swift, smart and farsighted. He kept his compass pointed due north and relentlessly focused on saving jobs, creating more and helping the many who felt trapped beneath the house of cards that had collapsed upon them.

He knew we had to get people back to work as quickly as possible — but he also knew that the value of a recovery lies in its durability. Short-term healing had to be paired with an economy that would stay healthy over the long run. And he knew that happens best by investing in the right places.

President Obama invested in our children's schools because he believes a good education is a necessity, not a luxury, if we're going to create an economy built to last. He supported more than 400,000 K-12 teachers' jobs, and he is making college more affordable and making student loans, like the ones he took out, easier to pay back.

He invested in our runways, railways and roads. President Obama knows a reliable infrastructure that helps move people to work and helps businesses move goods to market is a foundation of growth.

And the president invested in our retirement security by strengthening Medicare. The $716 billion in savings his opponents decry today extended the life of the program by nearly a decade and are making sure taxpayer dollars aren't wasted in excessive payments to insurance companies or fraud and abuse. His opponents would end the Medicare guarantee by creating a voucher that would raise seniors' costs by thousands of dollars and bankrupt the program.

As Republicans gather in Tampa to nominate Mitt Romney, Americans can expect to hear tales of how President Obama has failed to work with their party or turn the economy around.

But an element of their party has pitched so far to the extreme right on issues important to women, immigrants, seniors and students that they've proven incapable of governing for the people. Look no further than the inclusion of the Akin amendment in the Republican Party platform, which bans abortion, even for rape victims.

The truth is that the party has failed to demonstrate the kind of leadership or seriousness voters deserve.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/article1247631.ece

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Dee and Goldie,

RE: Home gardens - I like this guy's ideas.

http://food.eagletribune.com/videos/Maximizing-Garden-Space.html?seo=video&file;=Maximizing-Garden-Space

roger — August 26, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit --- This is lengthy but worth the read.

If It Walks Like a Duck and Talks Like a Duck: Racism, Bigotry and the Death of Respectable Conservatism

http://www.timwise.org/2012/08/if-it-walks-like-a-duck-and-talks-like-a-duck-racism-bigotry-and-the-death-of-respectable-conservatism/

[clipped]
Would that conservatives today were even half as introspective about the more extreme of their own ventilations. When one can be wistful for the likes of a Buckley, or even a Goldwater or a Reagan for goodness’ sakes — who for all their mendacity and support for policies the effects of which were racist and classist to the core nonetheless would have likely avoided calling the objects of their political derision “vermin,” who should be “hung high” or “human parasitic garbage,” or that they should be beaten to death with shovels — one knows, or should, that respectable conservatism is dead. [clipped]

langenthal — August 26, 2012 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- Most excellent write! If you don't mind I felt a need to print this excerpt. Many that post here won't bother clicking on this "commie" link. The same on the right always shout the race card is being played with this subject. This comparison with Clinton speaks volumes on a matter I've thought long and hard about.

[excerpt]"Even Bill Clinton, whom the right dearly loathed, never was characterized as a would-be dictator, whose re-election would potentially spell the end of America, or whose presidency was seen as literally endangering the republic. Indeed, even when Clinton proposed health care reform that was about as moderate and lukewarm as Obama’s, those who opposed the plan never accused Bill of advocating death panels, or using health care to exact racial revenge on whites, or looking to take money from old white people and spend it on health care for undocumented immigrants. Interestingly, the extent to which Obama has been effectively othered thanks to racial resentment, actually causes whites to oppose his health care reform plan, even while they profess support for the very same plan so long as they’re told it was Bill Clinton’s.

In addition to the blatant othering of the president, so clearly demonstrated in the above-mentioned examples, there are any number of more subtle ways that his political opponents have sought to separate him from the circle of human decency and Americanness to which they themselves insist they belong.

So to suggest that there is something fundamentally un-American about Barack Obama’s views — that, for instance, his belief that the rich don’t build their fortunes alone, or his support for government intervention in various arenas such as health care or housing, or his support for slight tax increases for upper-income individuals place him beyond the pale of the American political tradition — is so transparently nonsensical as to leave very little doubt that it is his visage and not his vision that provokes much of the hostility. After all, Abraham Lincoln agreed that labor created the wealth of business owners, and that labor was indeed prior to and superior to capital. It was Dwight Eisenhower who presided over some of the biggest government projects in history like the Interstate Highway program, the expansion of the FHA and VA loan programs for housing, and under whose leadership tax rates on the wealthiest Americans reached a whopping 91 percent: well above double that which would exist even if all the Bush-era tax cuts expired, and President Obama got his every wish on tax policy."

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal- Goes to point, this new anti-Obama flick is now the top grossing "documentary" of the year.

**Box Office Shocker: Anti-Obama Doc Bests Other New Films on Friday**

The film really goes off the rails in the last half hour, when it veers from biographical data to speculation on how Barack Obama Sr.’s anti-colonialist sentiments turned his son into a radical who aims to dismantle America’s traditional values. To prove his tendentious point, D’Souza trots out a familiar cast of characters. Frank Marshall Davis, a friend of Obama’s grandfather in Hawaii, was indeed a card-carrying member of the Communist Party, though the film fails to mention that when Davis joined the Party in the 1940s, such membership was perfectly legal. We hear about “Obama’s Chicago pal” Bill Ayers, though D’Souza admits that Obama met Ayers in 1995, 25 years after Ayers’ involvement with the Weather Underground. D’Souza also points out that Obama took a class at Columbia taught by Edward Said, the renowned pro-Palestinian scholar. Do any of these marginal associations prove that Obama aims to introduce socialism to America and undermine the state of Israel?
Other bits of “evidence” are just as obviously cherry-picked. The filmmakers show Obama fumbling when trying to explain his healthcare bill at a rally, but they mute the sound of the hecklers who clearly contributed to the President’s disorientation. D’Souza implies that Obama is sympathetic to radical jihadists while ignoring the killing of Osama bin Laden.
The film concludes by suggesting that if Obama wins a second term, America will be a completely different country by 2016. And it ends with the ominous words, “The future is in your hands.” No one doubts that the country faces major challenges in the next four years, but there is one safe bet: The future is unlikely to be affected by this simplistic documentary.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/2016-obamas-america-film-review-358302

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**The latest letter from Jamie, non-committal as usual.**

Protecting health care for rural residents
August is the month where I travel around Southwest Washington to listen, learn, and share what has been happening back in Congress.

Earlier this week I embarked on a tour of rural hospitals located throughout this region: Morton, Ilwaco and South Bend. I met with hospital leadership and took an in-depth look at their operations. I also heard about the challenges of being the sole critical care providers for people in in their communities. Medicare reimbursement rates and regulatory flexibility were major concerns.

Making sure adults, children, senior citizens and folks throughout this region can access health care is vitally important. ***As I weigh policy and legislation in Washington, DC, I’m grateful to have the stories of hard-working and dedicated health care providers to guide my decisions.***

hawkeye — August 26, 2012 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Republicans Postpone Start of Convention Because of Severe Weather

Because of the expectation of bad weather in Tampa, Fla., the Republican National Convention will immediately recess after it convenes on Monday, picking back up on Tuesday afternoon.

“Our first priority is ensuring the safety of delegates, alternates, guests, members of the media attending the Republican National Convention, and citizens of the Tampa Bay area,” Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, said in a statement. He said that officials expected convention participants to encounter transportation problems because of wind and rain.

***You mean the prayers didn't work?***

hawkeye — August 26, 2012 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — August 26, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.

Excellent video, Roger. I rotate my crops every year in the same way. This is the first year I have cloche frames like the ones in the video...those white Remay-covered hoops. I recommend using Remay to keep the white flies off of young kale.

A strong recommendation to anybody who wants to grow fall crops...find out which veggies are companion plants so they can be beneficial to each other. Also, when planting your fall crops, choose which veggies you want to put in place of what grew there before...using the companion planting method. some crops such as Swiss Chard, Kale and Broccoli will winter over. They have a lesser chance of seeding out as the weather grows cooler.

Another hint. Where I had my annuals which have since died back, I am planting my bush peas...an excellent source of nitrogen for the soil for next spring. Once the peas are harvested, just chop the plants up...roots and all, and let rot for next spring.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe I should say..."Once the peas are harvested, just chop the plants up, root and all and allow to compost in the garden. By next spring, it will provide added tilth for next year's plantings."

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — August 26, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.

And if it were a Democratic National Convention being postponed, THEN, what would be your response?

Hard to believe we all live, breathe, eat and sleep...and bleed the same blood whenever I read such political and religious prejudice on this forum.

I'm wondering how many times you've ever used the phrases "Thank God," "Good Heavens" or "Oh My God" in your life.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.

I would say, it wasn't very smart to schedule a convention in the way of a big storm. But since I wasn't talking about the DNC, I won't say that.

Hard to believe...... REALLY? Read some of your own posts sometimes. Or maybe your friend DWB.

About those phrases, good luck finding ANY of those in my posts or in my life. They will NOT be there.

I think it's funny that you said nothing about the article, ***YOU JUST ATTACKED ME!***

hawkeye — August 26, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- I think it's funny that you said nothing about the article, YOU JUST ATTACKED ME!

Kinda like @ 6:55. It's what turns this ol' gal on. Just trolling for attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2O3kv...

Anyway, a little humor on this...Lord's day.

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bYnvR_fRg&feature;=related

Interesting & raucous discussion on God, prayer, conspiracies & the government.

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Some great gardening tips!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw8Jov...

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.

My rhody just met the same fate as his bonsai. Anything that doesn't follow the plan and cooperate meets the same fate. Have to make an example for the others sometimes.

Is there a political statement here?

roger — August 26, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Sounds like you had a rowdy rhody. Gardening fascism? Commie cabbage? Capitalist Canchalagua's?

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I had one last week that met the back of my truck and a choker. Now it's part of a recycling project.

Say, there IS a political statement there. Hey Jamie!

hawkeye — August 26, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfOqXF...

I clicked on 'Press Talk' and it was the best ever!

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Hawkeye, please explain how I attacked you.

I commented on your obvious prejudices which prevail regularly on the forum. Nothing more, nothing less. I was curious...was wondering how many times you've used those phrases...and what you say on here as opposed to what you say in your lifetime with reference to God...we're supposed to take your word for it now aren't we. I just find it hard to believe.

Regarding the article...from what you have posted, is there really anything to say about it? They're postponing part of the RNC till it becomes evident that the safety of those participating is no longer at risk of being in danger by the storm.

BTW...calling DBW a friend of mine...thanks for the compliment.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Just trolling for attention."""

As you sit in front of your computer, keying in useless copy and pastes, videos and short, nasty digs at others just to spark controversy...

Nice....

Let's see now...just today alone, shall we tally up the comment count between the two of us???

(not including your alter ego of course...just nailingit)

hmm...looks like you're in the lead this time.

goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Smiling broadly at GO.

You know what is really amazing. Whenever I post on here something that people disagree with, they will come back at me with explanations of why I am wrong, links attempting to prove me wrong, or some way of attempting to make me seem like an idiot.

But if I post something that they cannot refute, or perhaps they may (gasp) agree, what is the response?

(crickets chirping)

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 8:18 p.m.

danabwoodley — August 25, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.

Refer to the referrenced posts. I would love to hear from the left on these. I even make a statement you can agree with, though it isn't nearly immediately followed by something you most likely see as blasphemous.

Or am I just going to be accused of something else?

danabwoodley — August 26, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — August 26, 2012 at 8 p.m.

Maybe you failed to realize that this IS an opinion blog! My opinions are just that, if you don't like it, stuff it! Nobody said you HAD to respond.

Also, what phrases I use in my life are none of your business, I say what's on my mind and if I thought I could get away with it here, I'd tell you exactly what I think, although I don't owe anybody an explaination. Seriously, who do you think you are?

Trolling for attention doesn't come close, can you say faux moral outrage?

hawkeye — August 26, 2012 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So I read Mr. Wise's commentary that langenthal posted, all I can say is WOW!

I am now fully educated on how wrong I am. Me, a heterosexual, Christian, white man is the true root of everything that is wrong in America.

All of the accusations he laid out about the president, even the ones I have never heard before, I realize are so baseless and inherently racist, I am truly shamed of my entire existance.

I also realize that there is truly only one possible solution for the salvation of America. All of us, the heterosexual, Christian, white men, must file to the nearest port of embarkation, be it by sea, air, or possible land routes, abondoning everything, our wealth, property, and families (except our sons that are also the heterosexual, Christian, white males) and leave.

Where do we go? How about Iran? They will know how to properly deal with our kind, right?

danabwoodley — August 26, 2012 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**'Birther' bill supporters among GOP Platform Committee members**

Tampa, Florida (CNN) - At an event in Michigan on Friday, Mitt Romney joked about the veracity of President Obama's birth certificate and once again called attention to the GOP's awkward dance with a grassroots movement that has long questioned the president's citizenship and eligibility to hold office.

While the "birther" cause seems confined to the harebrained fringes of American politics, it's actually somewhat closer to the official domain of Republican politics than party leaders would like to admit.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/25/birther-bill-supporters-among-gop-platform-committee-members/?hpt=po_c2

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


PSA time!

I am here to warn everyone on a very dangerous chemical. It is the most abundant on the planet, and possibly the most dangerous. This notorious chemical is dihydrogen monoxide.

Here are few little know facts:

Dihydrogen monoxide is produced in the burning of rocket fuel.

There are documented cases of death from overdosing on dihydrogen monoxide.

100% of all violent criminals admit to using dihydrogen monoxide.

Dihydrogen monoxide is a primary ingredient of herbicides and pesticides.

100% of all people exposed to dihydrogen monoxide will die.

Ladies and gentlemen, be on the look out. Our children are repeatedly exposed to this chemical. The actions we take righy now will impact our world for all time.

danabwoodley — August 26, 2012 at 11:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Romney Adopts Harder Message for Last Stretch**

TAMPA, Fla. — Mitt Romney is heading into his nominating convention with his advisers convinced he needs a more combative footing against President Obama in order to appeal to white, working-class voters and to persuade them that he is the best answer to their economic frustrations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/us/politics/mitt-romneys-campaign-adopts-a-harder-message.html?_r=2&pagewanted;=1

nailingit — August 26, 2012 at 11:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


lessee... di (2) hydrogen molecules and mono (1) oxide molecule.....

isn't that ....water?

DeeLittle — August 27, 2012 at 12:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes Dee.

And it is also the reason for all drownings.

danabwoodley — August 27, 2012 at 12:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


and it destroyed all life forms that existed at the time it began to take over the planet.

DeeLittle — August 27, 2012 at 1:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*...esoteric sources which he said are not widely available.*
kn_dalai — August 25, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.

Interesting that a large number of peer-reviewed journals that aren't available for free on the internet are labeled "esoteric".

That, in and of itself, probably defines your level of scholarship.

mr_basil_seal — August 27, 2012 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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