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Here's wishing a fantastic New Year to all in Columbianland...

...and a welcome to this crazy world for all babies born after 11:59pm tonight as well!!!

Be safe, folks!!!

goldenoldie — December 31, 2012 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Scathing criticism coming from this recent presidential candidate.

At least the lines are defined for those that pay attention.

**Republican party is 'devoid of a soul', says Jon Huntsman**

The Republican Party is leaderless and "devoid of a soul" but can rebuild in the wake of its election defeat if it embraces its history of supporting limited government, Jon Huntsman has said.

Read more @ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/9771589/Republican-party-is-devoid-of-a-soul-says-Jon-Huntsman.html

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Excellent article on the fiscal cliff and explains why many of us are frustrated as hell with this White House.

**Why Is Obama Caving on Taxes?**

In 2011, in the wake of the debt ceiling debacle, Ross Douthat persuasively explained why Republicans felt no need to strike a grand bargain with Democrats — the ones he spoke with believed they would never have to face higher taxes. (“Much of the Republican 'intransigence' and 'hostage-taking' and 'terrorism' that they deplore is a direct consequence of the fact that Republicans assume that Democrats will always, always, cave on taxes.”)

The negotiating style Obama has displayed in these instances is what poker players call “tight-weak.” A tight-strong player avoids throwing in his chips, saving them for a big hand, which he plays aggressively in hopes of a huge win. A loose-weak player plays lots of hands, bluffing frequently. Tight-weak is the worst of all worlds — when you have a weak hand, you lose, and when you have a strong hand, you fail to maximize your position.

Obama is surely going to have to accept a lot of bad policies in his negotiations with Republicans (a fact I’ve argued to some of my harder-line liberal friends in several columns). But the tax cuts are the one area where he enjoys overwhelming leverage over the Republicans. Their only threat is to block extension of tax cuts on income under $250,000, a wildly unpopular stance countless Republicans have acknowledged they could not sustain for long without courting an enormous public backlash. This is the hand where Obama needed to collect all the chips.

Instead he is allowing Republicans to whittle down the sum by essentially threatening to shoot themselves in the head. And this is the most ominous thing about it. The big meta question looming over Obama’s term is whether he has learned to grapple with Republican political hostage-taking. Hostage-taking is not simply aggressive or even irrational negotiating. It is the specific tactic of extracting concessions by threatening to withhold support for policies you yourself endorse, simply because your opponent cares more about the damage. Republicans agree that the debt ceiling must be lifted, but forced Obama to offer them policies he opposed because they believed he cared more about damage to the country than they did.

Read more @ http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/12/why-is-obama-caving-on-taxes.html

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Have a great New Year everyone, party as much as you want as long as you don't drive,oh,and lock up the guns.

hawkeye — December 31, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Krauthamer has the right to express his opinion, but so do I.

Those journalists who imply that Hillary Clinton's blood clot is yet another ruse should hang up their reporter hats and go find something ethical to do with their remaining years:

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[1]: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/how-low-could-krauthammer-go.html

manthou — December 31, 2012 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 10:16- Amen & amen.

I think Krauthammer is a vampire. Come to think of it, (no attempt at being partisan) most vampires seem to be Republican.

I've always been baffled (yes baffled:) this guy is well respected on the right. In last weeks forum I bemoaned the lack of substantive and well articulated thought from right wing "thinkers". I wonder, where are the Buckley's of today?

*Those journalists who imply that Hillary Clinton's blood clot is yet another ruse should hang up their reporter hats and go find something ethical to do with their remaining years:*

Maybe they should become ditch diggers seeing how they're used to shoveling it. I feel offended for Hillary.

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrap @ 11:33- *Obama, Reid an Pelosi are caving in on the fiscal cliff negociations. He did it a couple of years ago and he is doing it again.*

Depending on your view there is still hope. There's about 50 RW members of the House who will not budge on raising taxes, and a few Dems that won't sign on to a crapola type deal.

At this point with the White House being weak in negotiating it's better to "go off the cliff",
and it's not that big a deal if we go off as tax cuts, benefits, etc. can be made retroactive.

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**if we fall off the cliff, who will you blame?**

DeeLittle — December 31, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrap @ 12:31- *Now, how come the US government does not renegotiate that debt and get a break for all taxpayers so the debt is not such a huge number since interest payments are a big portion of the debt.*

My best guess ? It would infringe on the trillions of $$$ of play money our buds on Wall Street have to gamble with on derivatives and other "investments". 2007 brought some understanding as to our Wall Street casino's. Not sure about the dynamics of renegotiating our debt. High finance most definitely not my forte.

Republicans created the cliff and just drove us over! NBC Breaking News---No vote tonight!

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails - The Dems controlled the House and the Senate back in 1917, when the debt ceiling was created under the Liberty Bond acts. And isn't "the cliff" just the current name for the debt ceiling? I'm waiting to see if Standard & Poor lowers our credit rating again. That will really piss the world stock markets off! Maybe we'll get lucky and Chancellor Merkel will have to lay the law down to us, as she did with Greece. Seems our own Pres isn't up to the task. (We should've elected Hill - She'd have slapped Boehner AND Reid and made them play nice!!!)

roger — December 31, 2012 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There's a shortage of decent songs about falling - oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIsUpVYIRuU

roger — December 31, 2012 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal



OK - I'm giving up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwORg-...

roger — December 31, 2012 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh muh Gawd, Oh muh Gawd...they couldn't come to an agreement. It's the apocalyptic end of 2012 just because they failed to come to that agreement! What to do...what to do????

Now, they've done it! We're gonna pay an arm and a leg. This is all new news...we're stuck with the tab from poor spending and fat pocketbooks!!!

**The Fiscal Cliff**...it's...it's...

..it's...

.
Wait for it!!

.
Here it comes...
.

The fiscal cliff is....

.
Well Choreographed by the actors of DC. You know...the folks we voted into office!!!

Anybody who thought the politicians could have come to an agreement for something they knew would eventually metastasize into a cluster of debts and troubles which would fall on the laps of the people.....

You're just foolin' yourselves. I know...it's hard to accept but this problem has been coming for a long, long time. Band Aid fixes by each administration as well as a crashed global economy far bigger than the "Great Depression," climate-related issues causing spikes in pricing of food products, wars and pirates overtaking container ships and yes...GREED...have all added to the problem.

Now...what I believe to be the reason for the failure by DC actors...aka politicians...is simple. They have found a way to capture the fears of all Americans by drumming up a "fiscal cliff" mantra...captivating the people with the apocalyptic fears of December 21st, just 10 days before the financial burden transfers to the people while behind the scenes, the funding generated by "temporarily" raising the taxes for a week, a month...even three months...won't be reciprocated once they DO find a balanced budget. They'll be postponing the refunds to the taxpayers for a reason. Just figure in the amount of money taxpayers will receive after filing their taxes. The government isn't in a hurry to pay us back.

goldenoldie — December 31, 2012 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And when they do come to that agreement, I'm just wondering who on here will be congratulating their politician(s) for coming to the rescue of the American people...for turning the budget around, even though it'll be just more of the same old, same old.

Just another re-run on the ol' television.

goldenoldie — December 31, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Honestly, I thought they would have found a compromise around 7:00pm tonight, just in time for their New Year's Gala celebration...but I guess they had other plans. More like...screwing over the people...with a hearty and Scroogish sneer on each and every one of their faces and heated breath...

Wishing us a happy(?) new year.

Thanks a lot.

goldenoldie — December 31, 2012 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 1:42- *And isn't "the cliff" just the current name for the debt ceiling?*

In some ways. At least we're not withholding payments on our debt, yet many on the right are promoting taking it hostage again.

Now they are talking about kicking the sequestration can down the road for two or three months? The same time as the debt ceiling? Some things seem idiotic on their face.

Obama and his never ceasing will to be walked on is amazing. He's creating new problems because of his lack of resolve. Republican leadership will continue to obstruct and want more because they know sooner or later they'll get their way. I don't blame them on some level.

God help us. Obama/Biden negotiating behind closed doors.

75% of House Republicans live in gerrymandered districts and have zero threat of losing to a Democrat. They're only threat for re-election comes from the hard right. 2010 was a killer. Epic in scope and depth. We used to elect folks who wanted this country to function reasonably.

*(We should've elected Hill - She'd have slapped Boehner AND Reid and made them play nice!!!)*

I've thought that many times..I don't know. Maybe we'll find out in 2016, she has my vote at this point.

How bizarre it is to count on right wing extremists in the house to block a poor deal for Dems!

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yep. But it's snowing. Sort of, anyhow. Enough to take the cats out in the back yard and watch them race to the door to get back inside. Something about every cloud having a silver lining. I'm going to teach those furballs respect if it kills me. (Which the little princess is threatening to do now.)

roger — December 31, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- Dude. New Years Eve...time to turn it loose!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQgYn2...

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Over 90% of Congress was re-elected even as their approval rating approached single digits. Doesn't seem to be much need to wonder why we get the same ol', same ol'. Those guys gotta be asking each other with big grins, "What the hell can you do around here to get fired?" We re-elected all but the ones that made the stupidest, most outlandish statements, well, mostly anyway. Garbage in, garbage out. What else should we expect?
One fallacy, among many of our two party "system", is that the system has been played so well it's virtually rigged. The process favors incumbents. Many vote for a name only, otherwise these goofs wouldn't waste $$$ on all those stupid signs with their names on them. And $$$ is what they're mostly about, and it's obvious Joe Blow ain't got it.

mrd — December 31, 2012 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxkzlu...

Blazin'!!

R.I.P. Gary Moore. You still inspire!

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 4:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal




As far as the no vote tonight goes: stocks are up marginally after hours. Doesn’t look like the lack of a vote tonight is really that much of a concern.

As far as the idea of “renegotiating” the U.S. debt terms: I’m a little surprised that the % to service the debt is 6%. Currently, 10 year bonds and 30 year notes are going for 2 and a half percent, or so, as has been the case for years. Although the higher “coupon” issue of years ago would average the % up. In any event: those U.S. debt instruments are bought and owned by individuals, businesses, business and union pension funds and foreign entities. “Renegotiating” is effectively default by the issuer, please note the word “default”, whereby the old terms are discarded and; “if you want to get something then we have to make a settlement for a lesser price than originally agreed upon.” Such an approach would absolutely kill the credit worthiness of this country.

The greenback has been the “reserve currency” for…well I don’t know how long but a long time. Among other things: commodities around the world are traded in U.S. dollars. Yes, including oil. Farm crops. Precious metals. If the U.S. effectively defaulted on its debt, by “renegotiating”, investors would most certainly flee the dollar, driving down the value of the dollar and driving up the cost of just about everything else.

And Roger, no offense sir, but I imagine your comment about Merkel is only about throwing something out there for the fun of it. As you well know, Germany is the powerhouse of the EU, and is disproportionately footing the bill to bail out Greece, hence Germany’s central role in the Greece bailout. The U.S. , unlike Greece and others, can create money out of thin air, to keep things propped up, at least for a while. I’m pretty sure that Merkel et.al., isn’t going to have much say in what happens in this country.

I have a different view of the pols, than most of you seem to have, which was the first reason I was going to make a comment, but got sidetracked. Perhaps I will come back and make those observations later. I do wish you all the best in our new year, and after.

kn_dalai — December 31, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — December 31, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.

Congratulate them for doing their damn job? Not likely! They should have had this done months ago, really makes me angry at Jamie and Boehner. Neither one should be re-elected ever again!!!

hawkeye — December 31, 2012 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye- Neither one should be re-elected ever again!!!

AGREED!

---

Happy New Year basement. The older I get the quieter my celebrations have become. Just sitting around watching Alien for the umpteenth time. My daughter got it for me on Blu-Ray this Christmas. Putting the cars to bed and my daughter's car had over an inch of snow accumulated. It snowed pretty good here.

Peace and good tidings to all. (whatever tidings are:)

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Congrats Obama, you're making Grover happy. And when Grover's happy, of course republicans are happy.

Great job! I wasn't aware they were the ones who voted you in office.

**Grover Norquist supports Senate cliff plan**

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/grover-tax-rates-wont-increase-85603.html?hp=l2

nailingit — December 31, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Have a safe and happy new year, all. We inched our way back from the Oregon coast today. The roads on higher elevations are slick. So glad to be home safe with a good movie, like
nailingit. :) Just hot chocolate for me tonight.

It sounds like a war zone in the near distance since 7 pm. Someone in the Vancouver city limits spent a fortune in BG and is firing off their arsenal illegally and methodically. I don't get the lure of it. Never have. Never will. I am talking about booming blasts nonstop. Bah. Humbug. :P

manthou — December 31, 2012 at 11:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HNY everyone

hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 12:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal



DeeLittle says...
**over the cliff....**

anybody know REALLY what this dem-created propaganda means?

*from ABC news:*
"As has been well documented, the "cliff" is not one thing, but a ball of expiring economic provisions that lead to automatic policy changes at year's end, loosely grouped under the catch phrase. They fall into two categories, taxes and spending.

Should we fall off the cliff, the tax code would change most dramatically with the expiration of the so-called "Bush tax cuts," which created new brackets and lowered tax rates for both middle-class and high earners. According to the Tax Policy Center at the Washington, D.C.-based Brookings Institution, the average American taxpayer would see a tax hike of $3,446, ABC's David Muir reported for "World News."

Where do the hikes fall, exactly? For many tax brackets, rates would jump by at least three percentage points. The middle class would see the worst of it, according to analysis from the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research arm that studies policy changes at Congress's request.

it's clear that obama doesn't care if the cliff is overshot or not: he gets his tax hikes, doesn't have to negotiate any spending cuts, and can blame the repub's as a bonus.

when the oppressive elite who hold power view the populace as dim-witted, we get this kind of 'leadership'.

did you **know** your leader considered you useful idiots?

DeeLittle — January 1, 2013 at 12:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nothing like a Fox news driven ugly bias conservative barb to start off the new year. Attrition and patience are valued partners.

It is what it is. Looks like the estate tax was renegotiated. The deal could have been worse and this might be something we could live with if the House passes it. Future negotiations will be a nightmare with these people. 2010...the year from hell.

**Senate Passes Fiscal Cliff Deal, 89-8**

President Obama and Senate Republicans have reached a deal to raise taxes on the wealthy and take much of the bite out of fiscal cliff. The agreement passed in the Senate early Tuesday morning by a vote of 89 to 8. It came after days of furious negations and a pact made between Vice President Biden and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

For the first time in 20 years, income taxes will rise. Individuals making more than $400,000 and households making more than $450,000 will pay 39.6 percent in taxes, up from the Bush-era rate of 35 percent. Obama campaigned on raising taxes above $250,000 but negotiations with Republicans almost doubled that limit. (Democrats secured a $30 billion extension of unemployment benefits.) Tax breaks and credits will be phased out for those earning more than $250,000. The estate tax will rise to 40 percent.

And finally, the Alternative Minimum Tax will not hit 30 million new households as the result of a proposed permanent fix.

The sequestration – an automatic $110-billion cut to defense and domestic programs – would be put off for two months.

The deal does not touch the debt ceiling.

A House vote is expected before Wednesday.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/12/obama-senate-gop-cut-a-deal.html

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 1:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal




speaking of useful idiots--

The GOP not only showed why they've become a singular, irrelevant party, they've also demonstrated why they're even a piss-poor opposition party. Against public opinion, they support things-such as allowing taxes on the rich to rise to higher levels, but still lower than historical averages, They can't even oppose policy intelligently, they seem as though they'll drag on anything based on the fact they can. I realize they can and will oppose Obama at every turn just 'cuz, and I realize some view compromise as a watering down of their objectives, but isn't it time to get with the program? Any program? Bag the baggers and get real?

In the fiscal cliff thing, the GOP's stance in all this has proven they are useless and useful idiots for the 1%, as if they needed to do so.

mrd — January 1, 2013 at 2:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzcLZl...

mrd @ 2:23- *they're even a piss-poor opposition party. Against public opinion, they support things-such as allowing taxes on the rich to rise to higher levels, but still lower than historical averages, They can't even oppose policy intelligently, they seem as though they'll drag on anything based on the fact they can.*

So very true.

I was criticizing Obama negotiations this morning with my wife, (bless her heart she's patient with me) and stopped my incessant liberal whining in the middle of a sentence.

It hit me how much worse it would be if Romney would have won.

All in all, this is a great way to start off a new year. We saved us from ourselves this election, unlike 2000 and 2004.

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 3:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy New Year, everyone! All was silent at 12:30 am in my neck of the woods...after a few sonic concussions and overhead bursts of fireworks lit up the foggy sky...a rather interesting sight to say the least.

Manthou...good to hear you made it home safe in the final minutes of 2012. The roads were terrible last night.

Regarding the years leading up to the "fiscal cliff" as our propagandists love to iterate...I recall the era of "No New Taxes" uttered by past presidents, even federal tax cuts superceded by state tax increases galore...in the manner of property tax, fuel tax, etcetera etcetera. Creative taxation utilized to keep certain government programs open has disabled our nation...and they continue today. Just a peek at what our current governor has done is a great giveaway on what I speak. President Clinton did his share of the "Texas Two Step" in order to balance budgets and reduce the government debt...but at what price to us? Yeah, it was a good fix while he was in office but further down the road...it caught up with us.

Economic times were beginning to show destabilization about the time George Jr. implemented what he believed would stabilize our economy...the "Bush Tax Cuts," enabling families to just about double dip on the benefits of having children as well as a few other percs which made our refunds a bit fatter than usual.

It was a matter of time when these tax cuts could no longer be used as the national debt continued to rise. Seems to me the cost of wars stemming back to WW-II put a heavy burden on government funding to keep America's toes in the safe zone and it didn't help that our financial hub of America...the Twin Towers were attacked, sending us into a down spiral of two wars and the costs incurred. Some may fight the reasoning behind both wars...I know I did at first, but what would the cost have been to American lives if we hadn't taken action. Then, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act came into play...the cost of freedom???

It's easy to point the finger at the R side of things, blaming the cost on the R's...same goes for the D side of things...but instead, we should be looking deeper into the true problem and that is just who funded these operations...who provided the dinero to pay for debts we have incurred as a nation, unfortunately at the hands of those we have elected.

Maybe we need to rethink just who the blame should be focused. We're all a bit to blame for what has happened. How many of us have contacted our politicians...to tell them what we think and how we believe things should be handled...

...and they're forever trying to win our support for the next election. How better to gain our support but with quick fixes!!! We all want and need and expect things to go our way in one form or another...

...and now, we're paying the price.

Just my long winded two-cents worth.

goldenoldie — January 1, 2013 at 7:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai,

Yes, my comment about Angela Merkel was "tongue in cheek" - sort of, anyhow. The Greek gov't was doing a lot of hand-wringing, and she eventually had to get up and lay the law down - reform pensions and a couple of other things, or no more cash flow. It would be nice if we had a leader capable of getting the DC crowd to act like adults and reach a compromise.

I'm not sold that the House is going to accept this proposal coming from the Senate - raise income taxes on $450K and up, and kick the decision on cuts down the road 2 months? And if your thinking is that if we do go "over the cliff" - So what? - Then I'm wondering the same thing.

A partial solution, of sorts. How many billions do we hold in unpaid loan debt from around the world? When our next payments come due (to a foreign nation, not our own people!!!), bundle these debts and send them off as payment - say 10 cents on the dollar - Tag, you're it!!!

roger — January 1, 2013 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good Morning Basement!!!

I hope everybody survived the New Year. It's cold outside, 28 deg. here and lots of frost. Nasty wrecks last night. Stay home and stay warm.

Congrats to the City of Portland, you finally elected a REAL Mayor. Good luck Charlie Hales, I know you will work to make Portland a better place.

hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Krugman sums it up pretty well. I was surprised at the Senate lopsided vote, but still have doubts the House will pass it. If they don't Obama needs to return to the 250,000 threshold and address future *debt ceiling* drama in his State of the Union Address. The right is salivating at the thought of holding our Country hostage again over paying our bills.

Unconscionable.

**The Conscience Of A Liberal**

The good news for progressives is that danger #1 has been averted, at least so far — and not without a lot of anxiety first. Romney lost, so nothing like the Ryan plan is on the table until President Santorum takes office, or something. Meanwhile, in 2011 Obama was willing to raise the Medicare age, in 2012 to cut Social Security benefits; but luckily the extremists of the right scuttled both deals. There are no cuts in benefits in this deal.

The bad news is that the deal falls short on making up for the revenue lost due to the Bush tax cuts. Here, though, it’s important to put the numbers in perspective. Obama wasn’t going to let all the Bush tax cuts go away in any case; only the high-end cuts were on the table. Getting all of those ended would have yielded something like $800 billion; he actually got around $600 billion. How big a difference does that make?

Well, the CBO estimates cumulative potential GDP over the next decade at $208 trillion.So the difference between what Obama got and what he arguably should have gotten is around 0.1 percent of potential GDP. That’s not crucial, to say the least.

And on the principle of the thing, you could say that Democrats held their ground on the essentials — no cuts in benefits — while Republicans have just voted for a tax increase for the first time in decades.

So why the bad taste in progressives’ mouths? It has less to do with where Obama ended up than with how he got there. He kept drawing lines in the sand, then erasing them and retreating to a new position. And his evident desire to have a deal before hitting the essentially innocuous fiscal cliff bodes very badly for the confrontation looming in a few weeks over the debt ceiling.

Read more @ http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/perspective-on-the-deal/

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It's good to see some states are able to overcome the debacle of 2010. It's going to take the better part of a decade to rid us of the Koch financed teabagger gerrymandered slugs.

Talk about buyers remorse. Maybe we should make it a crime to campaign on bettering our government, and when elected, to find out their motivation was to kill it. This bagger nonsense and the damage it causes appears to be .. treasonous in nature. Understanding new laws in this area would present more than a slippery slope, I'm just venting.

If only conservatives would spend more time *thinking* for themselves rather than believing conspiracies concocted from the Hannity's and Glenn Beck's of the world before they vote, our country would be much better off.

**Terie Norelli, New Hampshire House Speaker, Expects Budget, 'Common Sense' To Dominate**

The New Hampshire House of Representatives' new Democratic speaker is pledging "common sense" following two years of Tea Party control of the chamber.

House Speaker Terie Norelli (D-Portsmouth) said that voters this year demanded "common sense" at the polls. The House of Representatives saw 50 percent of its 400-member body turn over in the 2012 elections. The change and new Democratic control comes after a two-year period of a Tea Party-dominated Republican majority, which saw debates over evolution, a ban on United Nations Agenda 21 and birther issues.

"I am optimistic that the members elected to the New Hampshire House heard what I believe is the message of the voters -- and that is common sense," Norelli told The Huffington Post.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/terie-norelli-new-hampshire-house-speaker_n_2388058.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Just an FYI to all in Columbianland...Clark County and East Portland, especially -

Folks living on the east side of Clark County and Portland east of I-205 are under a high wind advisory, and a high wind warning in the Columbia River Gorge for the next couple of days. Gusts could possibly hit as high as 55 mph in areas closer to the gorge according to noaa.gov .

goldenoldie — January 1, 2013 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Isn't the entire Senate bill unconstitutional under Article I section 7?

"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.,

I'd saying telling Tom Miller his services are no longer required at Transportation is a good start for Hales. Hopefully he'll continue trying to get some common sense into that city's gov't.

roger — January 1, 2013 at 12:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 11:38- Intrapersonal communication?

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 1:03

Open question for discussion.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting article in the Willamette Week by Andrea Damewood - John Casey brought this up last week, but seeing as how neither of our two major newspapers reported it....

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-29588-stacey_toll_i_205_for_columbia_river_crossing.html

Incoming Metro Councilor Bob Casey says Washington State is trying to get over on Oregon by passing legislation to not toll The I205 bridge - "If Oregon consents to Washington's plan to toll only 1-5, the result will not only be a big hole in the CRC project budget, but major traffic and livability impacts on the 1-205 and 1-84 corridors on this side of the river," "Oregon should make its financial contribution to the CRC contingent on Washington agreeing to toll both crossings of the Columbia River."

He also doesn't like our restrictions placed on tolling the I5 bridge. The additions to the tolling bill in Washington include a project cost cap of $3.41 billion; no tolls until federal and state funds are committed to construct the bridge and its landings; and a sunset of the legislation at the end of 2015 if federal funding is not secured or other conditions are not met.

Stacey believes Oregon state government should say that any initial phase of the CRC must include transit, active transportation, and the Oregon-side road improvements; a community enhancement and mitigation fund; tolling both the 1-5 and 1-205 crossings; and capping Oregon's contribution at $450 million. Funding shortfalls or project cost over-runs must be covered by toll revenue, not by Oregon taxpayers.

This attitude, the norm at Portland Metro, is why the CRC is bad for Washington State in general, and Clark County commuters in particular. We, who will be paying the majority of the tolls, should pay for this project, as far as they're concerned. Pay special attention to the part about "the Oregon-side road improvements; a community enhancement and mitigation fund;" - those sorry SOBs intend to try to sneak all kinds of upgrades into the project before they're done.

roger — January 1, 2013 at 1:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 1:08- *Open question for discussion.*

Makes no sense as it seems to have been asked and answered, and certainly not your style to begin discussion.

A little mixup?

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


The House brew. Bags of self serving flakes with their heads in hot water.

**U.S. Fiscal Cliff Deal Leaves House Republicans Angry, Deal In Jeopardy**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/us-fiscal-cliff_n_2393102.html

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 2:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Glenn Grothman, the embodiment of today's conservative.

**Glenn Grothman Slams Kwanzaa: 'Almost No Black People Today Care.. Just White Left-Wingers'**

Wisconsin state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) slammed Kwanzaa, claiming "almost no black people" care about the holiday.

"Almost no black people today care about Kwanzaa -- just white left-wingers who try to shove this down black people's throats in an effort to divide Americans," Grothman said in a press release, according to Patch.

"Why must we still hear about Kwanzaa?" Grothman asked. "Why are hard-core left wingers still trying to talk about Kwanzaa -- the supposed African-American holiday celebration between Christmas and New Year’s?"

Grothman slammed "irresponsible public school districts" in Wisconsin for trying "to tell a new generation that blacks have a separate holiday than Christians." His comments were heavily criticized, with one Democratic party leader calling the remarks "absolutely jaw-dropping."

His comments about Kwanzaa outraged a leader with the Democratic Party of Ozaukee County, who called on the senator to retract his statements.

"Senator Grothman seems to outdo himself every time he opens his mouth," said Meg Moen, treasure of the county Democratic Party. "His recent press release about Kwanzaa was absolutely jaw-dropping. Not only does Senator Grothman seem to find his inherit racism acceptable, he implores people to follow his lead and question a holiday that African-Americans have been celebrating for years.

"He, as usual, blames progressives and teachers, for respecting all traditions, and having the audacity to include every holiday and tradition that occurs around this time every year," Moen added. "That press release is absolutely disgusting and drips with disdain for African-Americans and, therefore, I am calling on him to retract his statements."

This isn't the first time Grothman has found himself in hot water over controversial remarks. In March 2012, he was heavily criticized for saying "unwanted or mistimed" pregnancies are the “choice of the women” who should learn "that this is a mistake.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/glenn-grothman_n_2392816.html

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

What's in the budget the Senate sent to the House? From what little I've read, the Dems decided to "compromise" and extend the current "Bush" tax cuts to those making $450K per year, instead of the previous $250K. Period. Oh - We'll get back and work on spending cuts; push deciding that out 2 months.

Really? That is not a compromise - it's one more power play - approve this, House, or have people saying it's your fault their taxes will go up. If the House accepts this, they lose any power they have, and all credibility with the people who elected that Republican majority.

If I was sitting in the House being faced with this, I'd be telling the world the Pres and the rest of the Dems are all liars - that sorry, but we can't trust them to follow through with spending cuts. That their refusal to have a plan for for cutting spending, after all this time, means they fully intend to keep spending us into the poorhouse. And a few things along that line. That sorry, but if the only way to cut gov't spending is to "go over the cliff" and have the mandatory raising of taxes (elimination of Bush tax cuts) and various cuts to military and benefits spending (whatever is tied to "super-committee" failure) take effect, well this is more responsible than what's in this proposal.

Whatever. This income tax filing season is going to piss people off - those expecting a refund and wanting to file early will probably have to wait. Forms 1040 and Schedule A for 2012 are posted, but each has sections grayed out and marked Reserved. And the booklets are still 2011. When and if the DC Clown Show gets around to doing something, we'll have to wait on IRS. Fortunately, everything is on-line these days; I'd hate to have to wait for the booklet printing run.

roger — January 1, 2013 at 4:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If you want to do some research, try this.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions

I'm trying to figure out the part on the Health Insurance Premium Tax Credit, set to take effect with our 2014 taxes. Details are still a bit sketchy, but it seems people at or below a certain income level will be able to claim some portion of their health insurance premiums. Where this becomes alarming (to me) is that it's to operate something along the lines of the EIC; a person can have little or no tax liability, and get back a lot more than what they paid in to Sam. Where is this money going to come from? I've got a feeling the "middle class tax cut" is going to become history; they're going to have to raise all our taxes to pay this credit.

We've got a discussion going on at work now over the Net Investment Income Tax of 3.8% - some people are saying this applies to our TSP (401(k)) earnings. I'm not so certain; the way I read this, there's a threshold far above a payout an average person will see before the tax takes effect. Also, the standard 401(k) is taxable on withdrawal anyhow, so....

If you've got a business or make over $150K per year, there's other stuff here to read.

Anyhow - We're all going to have to become a lot smarter on the Affordable Care Act over the next year. And what scares me is we're still trying to figure out what's in it!!!

roger — January 1, 2013 at 5:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — January 1, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.

The purpose of the "fiscal cliff" in the first place was to force cuts, now they want to "compromise" by raising taxes and increasing spending. We have many federal departments that are unneeded that we can eliminate, we could bring the troops home, stop raiding medical marijuana facilities. Although in the grand scheme of things it wouldn't make any difference, but Ron Paul had the right idea when he promised to only accept the median salary for the country, all politicians should make that amount.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Ron Paul had the right idea when he promised to only accept the median salary for the country, all politicians should make that amount."

Yea, cause going to solve everything.

hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Happy new year to all.

I have made my new years resolution... how many of you have made yours?

I see where the useless obese human Michael Moore ran his mouth off on his new years resolution by calling people to stop supporting the troops because he does not, then turns around and apologizes for saying it.

Which are we to believe Mr. Moore? Sounds to me your just a lib version of Rush Limbaugh. We booed you off the streets of Portland... we thought we got our point across... but then again what does one expect from an obese blob that thinks he is entitled.

soul_pancake — January 1, 2013 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 5:53 p.m.

Apparently you had a hard time reading the first half of that sentence.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 6:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*If the House accepts this, they lose any power they have, and all credibility with the people who elected that Republican majority.*

You have to be kidding.....maybe it'll boost their 8% approval rating.

Elections have consequences. It's clear everyone has their own idea of what they should be.

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal



nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 6:08 p.m.

Please cite your 8% approval rating claim, even the Huffington post article you linked earlier said the lowest it dropped was 33%.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal



This so called "compromise" raises taxes and increases spending, it does not fulfill the requirements originally outlined by congress. Additionally it originated in the Senate making it unconstitutional and every taxpayer in the country has standing to sue. Only three democrats and five republicans in the Senate had enough courage to vote against it as they should have. Hopefully the House will show more intestinal fortitude and vote it down as it should.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal



roger — January 1, 2013 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert @ 6:50- I get tired of supplying you link after link when you supply diddly squat backing your ridiculous assertions regarding politics. Look it up yourself. 8-10-12-33-90% whatever fits well within your world. Quite frankly it doesn't mean anything.

Feel free to expound on the many articles citing this House as the worst rated and laziest in history. Your nitpicking always results in full blown lice.

BTW please wish Gen a happy new year on my behalf.

**On the Fiscal Cliff, Obama Does What He Can Against 200 Years of Bad Faith**

The fiscal-cliff impasse had its roots in—where else?—the old South, with its lunatic blend of obstructionism and greed at the public trough, writes Michael Tomasky.

While most liberals were stewing at Barack Obama yesterday for his “capitulation” on tax rates, I confess that I was feeling philosophical about it, and even mildly defensive of him. He is negotiating with madmen, and you can’t negotiate with madmen, because they’re, well, mad. I also spent part of yesterday morning re-reading a little history and reminding myself that rascality like this fiscal-cliff business has been going on since the beginning of the republic. So now I’d like to remind you. It’s always the reactionaries holding up the progressives—and usually, needless to say, it’s been the South holding up the North—and always with the same demagogic and dishonest arguments about a tyrannical central government. We’ll never be rid of these paranoid bloviators, and if no other president could stop them I don’t really see why Obama ought to be able to.

Read more @ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/01/on-the-fiscal-cliff-obama-does-what-he-can-against-200-years-of-bad-faith.html

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Anyone know how Jaime H-B voted tonight? Yea or Nay?

manthou — January 1, 2013 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK. I found the answer: Yea.

Yay.

[link text][1]

[1]: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll658.xml

manthou — January 1, 2013 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Wrong roll call. The latest one has not been posted.

Apologies.

manthou — January 1, 2013 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Obama said he won't play the debt ceiling game again. I totally agree but these idiots in Congress promise to do it.

They will still bring our country down to spite this president.

In the same vein I hope there's real filibuster reform.

Some ugly irresponsible stuff from these guys on the right.

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK. Here it is. Jaime voted yes.

[link text][1]

[1]: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx?day=20130101&today;=20130101

manthou — January 1, 2013 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: The President scolded tonight. Rightly so. What is the debt ceiling fight gonna look like?

manthou — January 1, 2013 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- The 30 Billion in cuts the House almost attached to current fiscal deal is the tip of the iceberg. Republicans are salivating at what cuts in government programs they can extract from this President over another debt ceiling battle. After all, why not? Obama has a history of paying off the hostage takers.

Tonight he talked about cutting medicare and didn't say a word about the military.

President Obama has promised he won't cite the fourteenth as cause to raise the ceiling without congressional authority. He might have to rethink that.

It's pathetic we have to worry about these threats from the right. We need to move on and enact policy changes with job growth, immigration, tax reform, etc. So much to do and these guys obstruct believing it's some kind of skewed constitutional duty.

nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.

Abso-friggin-lutely!

hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.

Read the fourteenth amendment, it in no way authorizes the President raising the debt ceiling, in fact it invalidates any debt not authorized by law. As you should know "by law" excludes executive order.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 10:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — January 1, 2013 at 9:20 p.m

How many laws has the house passed and Reid failed bring up for a vote in the Senate? The democrats are more guilty of obstructionism than the republicans. All the democrats seem to do is blame, insult and attack, oh yeah, and spend money we don't have.

frobert — January 1, 2013 at 10:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


what is it about 'stop spending' doesn't a politician understand?

last december, i had $15 left after i paid my bills. that was 12/7/11. my doctor asked me what i did. i said, "made it last".

why is this so ***FREAKING*** impossible for a politician to get?????

i don't really want to contemplate a future where the united states is owned by china due to IDIOT congressmen and presidents who think economic planning is just another tool to get power.

*DON'T PLAY POLITICAL GAMES WITH THE '**FULL FAITH AND CREDIT**' OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,* you mangy dogs.

DON'T SPEND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.

good **God!** can it ***BE*** any simpler ???!??!?!?!??!!?

DeeLittle — January 1, 2013 at 10:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — January 1, 2013 at 10:19 p.m.

"All the democrats seem to do is blame, insult and attack,"

*Funny, sounds like that's what you are doing.*

"How many laws has the house passed and Reid failed bring up for a vote in the Senate".

*Why don't you look that up and get back to us.*

hawkeye — January 1, 2013 at 11:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning basement and happy belated new year! Got back yesterday evening from five glorious days on San Juan. Had to read my news on my cell phone, Left the island bathed in sunshine, drove through snowy, wintery weather, and now brace myself against some very strong winds. What a glorious state we live in!

Glad to see that 2013 here in cellar starts off the same way we left 2012. As far as congress goes. Anybody ever watched such a bunch of lazy, bickering, no good group of public employees feeding so heavily off our tax money doing so little for so long? Why is it that they can get away with things any private employer would boot their behind for after just a few days? Why do we pay these morons their high salary and wonderful, life-long benefits so they can screw us over even more?
We have only ourselves to blame for sending them back year after year.

luvithere — January 2, 2013 at 5:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Maturity and age sometimes don't go hand in hand...

***POOR BABY!***

Fiscal cliff negotiations between House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) reportedly got heated last Friday.

According to Politico, several sources claimed to have overheard a verbal altercation between the two men in the White House lobby.

With no bipartisan agreement about the debt ceiling, spending cuts and tax increases in sight, Boehner reportedly pointed at Reid and said, "Go f*** yourself."

"What are you talking about?" Reid asked.

And Boehner again said, "Go f*** yourself."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fiscal-cliff-negotiations-john-boehner-harry-reid_n_2394725.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 7:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Boehner pulls another boner. Until republicans pull their collective heads out of the Fox news bubble and hold their elected accountable we'll continue to have this crap.

The fallout from 2010 continues to wash up on out political shores. BP without the cleanup.

**Hurricane Sandy Bill: New York Lawmakers Angered After House GOP Doesn't Hold Vote**

WASHINGTON — New York-area lawmakers in both parties erupted in anger after learning the House Republican leadership decided to allow the current term of Congress to end without holding a vote on aid for victims of Superstorm Sandy.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said late Tuesday he was told by the office of Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia that Speaker John Boehner of Ohio had decided to abandon a vote this session.

Cantor, who sets the House schedule, did not immediately comment. House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland told reporters that just before Tuesday evening's vote on "fiscal cliff" legislation, Cantor told him that he was "99.9 percent confident that this bill would be on the floor, and that's what he wanted."

**In remarks on the House floor, King called the decision "absolutely inexcusable, absolutely indefensible. We cannot just walk away from our responsibilities."**

The Senate approved a $60.4 billion measure Friday to help with recovery from the October storm that devastated parts of New York, New Jersey and nearby states. The House Appropriations Committee has drafted a smaller, $27 billion measure, and a vote had been expected before Congress' term ends Thursday at noon.

More than $2 billion in federal funds has been spent so far on relief efforts for 11 states and the District of Columbia struck by the storm, one of the worst ever to hit the Northeast. The Federal Emergency Management Agency's disaster relief fund still has about $4.3 billion, enough to pay for recovery efforts into early spring, according to officials. The unspent FEMA money can only be used for emergency services, said Rep. Frank Pallone Jr., D-N.J.

..

**"This is an absolute disgrace and the speaker should hang his head in shame," said Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y.**

"I'm here tonight saying to myself for the first time that I'm not proud of the decision my team has made," said Rep. Michael Grimm, R-N.Y. **"It is the wrong decision, and I' m going to be respectful and ask that the speaker reconsider his decision. Because it's not about politics, it's about human lives."**

**"I truly feel betrayed this evening," said Rep. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y.**

"We need to be there for all those in need now after Hurricane Sandy," said Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y.

The House Democratic leader, Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, said she didn't know whether a decision has been made and added: **"We cannot leave here doing nothing. That would be a disgrace."**

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/hurricane-sandy-bill_n_2395536.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I suggest if republicans want to negotiate paying America's bills, (debt limit) the American public should en masse refuse to make mortgage/credit card payments to banks and demand our contracts be renegotiated. (let's start a movement?:)

These republicans are unreal. No Dems are obstructing in this way. We need to call this out loud and clear. For those of you who have an agenda to blur the lines of conservative accountability this ones a doozy. But I'm sure the lemmings will deposit their droppings.

The only attention our President should lend to these idiots should be in his State Of the Union Address if the debt ceiling threat is still on. Ain't nothing "bi-partisan" gonna come outta this!

**4 painful lessons from the “fiscal cliff” crisis**

*It's over, mercifully, but not for long. The question now is whether Democrats will cave on the debt ceiling*

It is unthinkable that the nation should, in weeks, be put through another crazy fiscal debate, this one with even higher stakes. It is even more unthinkable to allow a group of renegades to force national default in order to get a dollar of spending cuts for each dollar increase in the ceiling (and again, beyond sweeping calls for reducing caps of non-defense spending, something we’ve already pushed too far, they don’t have a plan here either).

The debt ceiling seems like an insurmountable problem, but I’m reminded of what the noted philosopher Donny Rumsfeld used to say in such cases: “if you can’t solve a problem, make it bigger.” This isn’t just a debt ceiling debate. It’s a chance to shut down a dynamic wherein Congress (i.e., Congressional Republicans) doesn’t solve economic problems, it creates them.

By over-riding them, blowing past them, ignoring them as irrelevant, and refusing to negotiate on the basis of the chief executive’s Constitutional responsibility to maintain the nation’s creditworthiness, the President can deal a fatal blow to these dangerous obstructionists. To do so would not only make a big positive difference to today’s politics and economy. It would be a precious gift to posterity.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/02/4_painful_lessons_from_the_fiscal_cliff_crisis/

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Calling out so-called "bi-partisanship".**

*Starbucks CEO Howard Schulz is back to his old bipartisanship boosterism, encouraging his employees to write "come together" on coffee cups as a way of promoting a "fiscal cliff" deal. As Paul Krugman noted, Schulz seems to be fundamentally confused about the fiscal cliff itself (he thinks it's about how to "fix the national debt"), but my sense is that his cult of bipartisanship still has plenty of adherents. Will our blind faith in bipartisanship ever end?*

As I’ve been writing for months — along with Krugman and others — this kind of hollow bipartisanship is a marketing gimmick for self-regarding Beltway pundits, entrepreneurs hawking bogus, do-nothing organizations like Americans Elect and No Labels, and, of course, Starbucks Coffee. It’s based on the false premise that both political parties are equally to blame for our current plight and ignores the fact that one of our two major political parties has fallen into radical hands. The bipartisan boosters seem to think the only issues at stake are collegiality and an ability to “come together” over budget cuts. These are the same people who would have reckoned that the Missouri Compromise was a lasting resolution of the slavery debate in the decades before the Civil War. It’s particularly offensive that full-page newspaper ads pushing the Starbucks “come together” campaign offer as their sole text a quote from Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln died to sell lattes? Much as I loathe everything the Koch brothers stand for, at least they push an actual agenda rather than merely decaffeinated sanctimony.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/frank-rich-the-fiscal-cliff-was-a-molehill.html

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

Gotta Love Boenhers Honesty when he said "Go F**K Yourself to Reid.. What he really meant was "Good for You"...It was all good... I like your idea on home Renegoations on our mortgages... The banks raised several key requirements.. Like Fico score... I say idf you've been current on your Mortgage then the bank has to renegotiate with you...I don't agree however with your assessment of the R being the Obstructionists...Reid is the biggest.... It's not just one party either.... This President is our countries biggest worry. He has done more in four years of breaking down our society than all other presidents.. He said he wanted to bring us together yet continues to divide in order for him to survive.. He will get very little done over these next four years as his leadership even amongst his party dwindles... IMO he is already at LAME DUCK STATUS... Over under on a balanced budget in his Presidency... Not a chance... He will leave with over 30-35 trillion in new debt.... I think we all agree or should that we should have a balanced budget and stay within it. To think this is the best deal that could get done and what for 2 months???

Has anyone noticed there health care premiums jump for the new year...

vanwadreamer — January 2, 2013 at 1:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

*Gotta Love Boenhers Honesty when he said "Go F**K Yourself to Reid.. What he really meant was "Good for You"...It was all good... I like your idea on home Renegoations on our mortgages...*

Yeah, at some level I can appreciate that. I'm sure most of us have been in like minded situations and pulled a boehner.

Reid should have told him to consult Clint Eastwood as to possible logistical outcomes.

I e-mailed Senators Murray and Cantwell today with following;

Greetings Senator Murray, [Cantwell]

In regards to the debt ceiling, with republicans threatening to take it hostage again, would it be a proper response for the American people en masse to withhold our mortgage and credit card payments with demands to re-negotiate them?

Thanks for your time and all you do, and best of luck dealing with these folks!

XXX

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 1:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*What he really meant was "Good for You"...*

No. What he really meant was, "I am a fraud, a failed leader of a soulless dysfunctional party. I smoke and drink so much my skin has turned a used filter orange while my liver ceased to function years ago. Help me Harry. Oh my God help me Harry."

*"...this President is our countries biggest worry. He has done more in four years of breaking down our society than all other presidents.. He said he wanted to bring us together yet continues to divide in order for him to survive.."*

*this President is our countries biggest worry.*

Jesus! He just won reelection! :))

*He has done more in four years of breaking down our society than all other presidents..*

Please vanwa, break that down for me.

*He will get very little done over these next four years as his leadership even amongst his party dwindles...*

What? Please explain the "dwindles" remark.

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Ok Don't call me Jesus for one.. I'm certainly not worthy to even be mentioned in same state....I once went 3 minutes without making a mistake, oopps 2 minutes I lied...

Yes he won reelection... 51-49 Squeaker like yesterdays SC/UM game...

OK I have and so have hundreds of other people say. He has not brought our contry together at all... He pits classes against classes and masses against masses...Poor against Those who have earned, white against black....No one can deny this unless they have been under a rock the past 4 years...

The Dems already see the writing on the wall of a future replacement and not what needs to get done the next 4 years..."His lack of credibility within his own party"

One of the downsides of our new media, low editorial standards. New Editorial standards might say Obama Misled American Public, .. While really we all know he Lied... This about Benghazi...This is coming back to bite him in the backside, all while leading dems are trying to distance themselves... If it should come out he did lie about the Terorist Attack it's all over for him.. Since the Dems control the media nationwide he might be able to stall or stifle them long enough...As a sports buff I find him to be more like Chip Kelly everyday.... He only answers the questions you already know the answer too, maybe he has learned from Chip.....Hum ..Food for thought.....

It's really unfortunate that Hillary is in such bad shape... Who knows if she will ever testify.....This is why the dems are distancing themselves from the President...

vanwadreamer — January 2, 2013 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great comparison. obama and Chip Kelly. You can't convince nail that you may be correct. From his rantings, it is obvious that even if the democrats controlled both House and Senate, all governor's positions, mayors, commissioners, student body offices, etc., he would still find something for which to blame the Republicans. The democrats don't seem to realize that this election was not a blowout, even though they seem to think it was. Almost half the people who voted, didn't like obama or his policies and we will continue to do our best to make life miserable for him and his puppets.

cranky — January 2, 2013 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Almost half the people who voted, didn't like obama or his policies and we will continue to do our best to make life miserable for him and his puppets.

cranky — January 2, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.

You should be proud of yourself. You have just admitted to be part of the problem. You have no right to complain.

hawkeye — January 2, 2013 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


cranky, vanwa- Miserable people enjoying attempts at making others miserable.

Thank you both. You reinforce the need for clear thought and sound government.

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


On another note, what's up with clicking on further FB comments and not being able to access them? Something has changed with site and am wondering if it's permanent.

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Random musings.

OK. Now what’s with all this bad mouthing about Ben Gazzi anyhoo! I met the guy once. Nice guy. You should all lighten up.

And let’s get this straight. The name is Cliff Fiscal. NOT FISCAL CLIFF!!! (He’s a friend of Ben’s.) This is Earth that we’re on here. Not Bajor where you got to say their last name first, like that Ensign Ro.

Now, while we’re talkin about outer space…just what the heck are those Kardassians doin here!!! I thought Cap’n Picard and his star fleet were supposed to make sure they all stay out of our way!!! Well, at least those TV news guys are doing their job. They don’t let those Kardassians out of their sight. We can all turn on the TV and see what they’re up to any time we want.

And since you mentioned TV news: was that Dianne Sawyer really drunk on election night? If she was, she ought to change her name to Sailor as in “drunk as”. But then again; that may not be fair to sailors. OK. She can keep her name. You know what sawyer means don’t you? It means one who saws logs. So what’s my point? Well that’s obvious! See SAW. That’s what! Remember how when you were in the third grade and you and Jimmy would go out to the playground at recess and get on the see saw. Then that little Jimmy would jump off when you were at the top and laugh when you came crashing down breaking your tailbone and cracking your fourth and fifth vertebrae?

Ahem. Well…seems to me, somehow, that’s a metaphor of sorts, for some of the problems. As I see it, more along the lines of unsustainable government spending.

The Moody Blues:

> Ride, take a free ride,
Take my place
Have my seat
It's for free.
>
> I worked like a slave for years,
Sweat so hard just to end my fears.
Not to end my life a poor man,
But by now, I know I should have run.

kn_dalai — January 2, 2013 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I should have said by the Moody Blues song Ride My See Saw. But I guess most of you know that anyway.

BTW Roger, I like your idea of January 1, 2013 at 7:42 a.m, but I think the 10 percent figure is a bit high. However, pragmatism has a way of getting in the way of ideology.

kn_dalai — January 2, 2013 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — January 2, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.

I think Shel Silverstein wrote lyrics that summed up the feelings of our politicians, when he wrote "Get my rocks off".

Some men need some killer weed, some men need cocaine.
Some men need some cactus juice to purify the brain.
Some men need two women, some need alcohol.
Everybody needs a little something, but lord I need it all.

frobert — January 2, 2013 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — January 2, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.

Funnie stuff, thanks.

hawkeye — January 2, 2013 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey!!! Ben Gazzi, wasn't he the guy on that old TV show, "Run for your Life"? Sure, that's the guy, about a guy running, for his life.... And Cliff Fiscal, wasn't he the guy on "Cheers"? Yea, he was the mailman guy that drank beer in the middle of his route. Gotta love civil service.

And yes, I think Diane Sawyer WAS drunk, seemed like it to me, either that or she had a stroke but I never heard about it.

I love the Moody Blues, again, thanks.

hawkeye — January 2, 2013 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Quite the leader! Boehner got shawshanked!

**Boehner tells GOP he’s through with one-on-one Obama talks**

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is signaling that at least one thing will change about his leadership during the 113th Congress: he’s telling Republicans he is done with private, one-on-one negotiations with President Obama.

During both 2011 and 2012, the Speaker spent weeks shuttling between the Capitol and the White House for meetings with the president in the hopes of striking a grand bargain on the deficit.

Those efforts ended in failure, leaving Boehner feeling burned by Obama and, at times, isolated within his conference.

In closed-door meetings since leaving the “fiscal cliff” talks two weeks ago, lawmakers and aides say the Speaker has indicated he is abandoning that approach for good and will return fully to the normal legislative process in 2013 — seeking to pass bills through the House that can then be adopted, amended or reconciled by the Senate.

"He is recommitting himself and the House to what we've done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/275295-boehner-tells-gop-hes-done-with-one-on-one-obama-talks

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Could Christie become yet another high profile republican to switch parties?

Somebody better set the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSI7aZ...

**"There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner," he said.** "This is not a Republican or Democratic issue. Natural disasters happen in red states and blue states and states with Democratic governors and Republican governors. We respond to innocent victims of natural disasters, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Or at least we did until last night. Last night, politics was placed before oaths to serve our citizens. For me, it was disappointing and disgusting to watch."

House Republicans declined to schedule a vote for Sandy aid Tuesday night, after voting to pass a fiscal cliff deal. If the House does not pass a disaster relief bill before noon on Thursday, when the new session of Congress begins, lawmakers will have to start over.

"Last night the House of Representatives failed that most basic test of public service, and **they did so with callous indifference to the suffering of the people of my state," said Christie. "Sixty-six days and counting -- shame on you.** Shame on Congress. Despite my anger and disappointment, my hope is that the good people in Congress -- and there are good people in Congress -- will prevail upon their colleagues to finally, finally put aside the politics and help our people now."

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTEnKuAx-0o

It's hard to be King.

immoral... disgraceful... irresponsible ... yes Peter, it is.

Another one sounds close to defecting.

Even if basement diehard conservatives refuse or aren't able to understand today's politics, at least their party leaders do.

nailingit — January 2, 2013 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Al-Jazeera buys Current TV from Al Gore

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Al-Jazeera, the Pan-Arab news channel that struggled to win space on American cable television, has acquired Current TV, boosting its reach in the U.S. nearly ninefold to about 40 million homes. With a focus on U.S. news, it plans to rebrand the left-leaning news network that cofounder Al Gore couldn't make relevant.

The former vice president confirmed the sale Wednesday, saying in a statement that Al-Jazeera shares Current TV's mission "to give voice to those who are not typically heard; to speak truth to power; to provide independent and diverse points of view; and to tell the stories that no one else is telling."

The acquisition lifts Al-Jazeera's reach beyond a few large U.S. metropolitan areas including New York and Washington, where about 4.7 million homes can now watch Al-Jazeera English.

Al-Jazeera, owned by the government of Qatar, plans to gradually transform Current into a network called Al-Jazeera America by adding five to 10 new U.S. bureaus beyond the five it has now and hiring more journalists. More than half of the content will be U.S. news and the network will have its headquarters in New York, spokesman Stan Collender said.

hawkeye — January 2, 2013 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


by the time we're finished being 'obamanized', we'll finally be what the usa haters want us to be: just another third-world country.

remember when we were the first into a destroyed region anywhere in the world?? hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis...rebuilding *all of europe* after wwII?

we're the *most generous* nation in individual contributions to charities. according to Big Brother, that's now the purview of government and it's power-brokerage.

there is, or was, more freedom in the usa than **ANY** country *ever* in the history of the world.

and obama thinks he can 'fix' us.

how does one go about charging a sitting president with treason?

DeeLittle — January 2, 2013 at 11:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Local politics are also getting quite entertaining.

The hard right are upset with JHB because she voted in favor of the tax bill, while those on the left are (sort of) praising her for putting politics aside and doing what's best for her constituents. What I'm going to be looking for is when Congress starts doling out the money - does this vote, which is one in support of Boehner, translate into stopping funding the CRC until LRT is removed (or at least voted on by us)? If she doesn't get this, then I'm thinking the local Repub party, dominated by neoCons, will be going all out to get her out of office in 2014.

David Madore is plastered all over the front page of today's Columbian. They had their swearing in ceremony, and then someone from the crowd asked to have the ceremony closed with a prayer. Nicely staged; I'm waiting to see if this carries over to meetings and the public reaction. But even more interesting is the headline "Madore roils C-Tran board." Well, sort of. Seems he's been talking to people in the smaller communities, and suggesting that a couple of pro-CRC board members from Battleground and La Center have served long enough. More of the complaining that he wasn't even sworn into office and was out politicking (or manipulating, if your perspective calls it such). Question - Where was the outrage when Mayor Leavitt, Identity Clark County, and Greater Vancouver Chamber of Commerce all came out with their 11th hour "vote against C-Tran Prop 1 because a sales tax isn't fair" campaign? This was a blatant political move, based on knowing the vote would fail and allowing them to claim it really wasn't indicative of how the voters feel about light rail itself.

And on the economic front, Hewlitt Packard is talking about making cuts nationally that could lead to the closure of their operation here, and the loss of 500 or so "good" jobs. Perhaps it's time for an Oregon - Nike play; see what they want to remain open here, and then have our local reps go to the State legislature to get a deal worked? I don't know enough about HP's decision and if this will work, but I do know that despite all the wishful thinking about local economic recovery being put out, we're still sinking.

roger — January 3, 2013 at 5:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger...good *chilly, chilly* mornin' to you. After perusing through the articles of the past two days on the C then checking out the comments of the forum, I had the feeling you were a mind reader. Your thoughts @5:20 am reflect mine.

What I find entertaining is how noses are out of joint because Commissioner Madore isn't waiting for the year to pass by. He's diggin' in and doing what he was paid to do. More power to him. And that prayer suggestion...methinks it wasn't staged and that several political sessions from different levels including the US Congress begin their day with an opening prayer.

goldenoldie — January 3, 2013 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Evidently it takes liberal women to speak up for their conservative counterparts welfare. It's still "a man's world" on the right.

Maybe someday...

**House GOP Lets Violence Against Women Act Passed By Senate Die Without A Vote**

WASHINGTON -- Despite a late-stage intervention by Vice President Joe Biden, House Republican leaders failed to advance the Senate's 2012 reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, an embattled bill that would have extended domestic violence protections to 30 million LGBT individuals, undocumented immigrants and Native American women.

"The House leadership would not bring it up, just like they wouldn't bring up funding for Sandy [hurricane damage] last night," said Sen. **Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a key backer of the Senate version of the bill, in an interview with HuffPost. "I think they are still so kowtowing to the extreme on the right that they're not even listening to the moderates, and particularly the women, in their caucus who are saying they support this."**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/violence-against-women-act-_n_2398553.html

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 6:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


About staged prayer...

If this is going to be a thing with conservatives/Madore puppets at public meetings, then we really need to stage it right.

Each meeting should have a different religion represented, and heads bow oh so humbly for Allah, Abraham, Smith, Cruisentology, a word from atheists and so on.

Let em' read from the Koran a few times and watch the so called God fearing people explode.

You guys that make this transportation issue a mainstay in your life, watch the money. There's not a combo more corrupt than...

conservatism+politics=corruption

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 7:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.

Not to mention the various xian fantasy themes..... let's start with handling snakes........

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.

*let's start with handling snakes........*

God knows there will be a nest of them to choose from. :)

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdc5h...

I was looking for any County Commissioners and hey...in the back...isn't that Da........

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Or we could follow the Roman government's lead and deify our leaders....... That might make some more happy.

I wonder if they should do that at the beginning or the end of the meeting......

Capcha asks me to type "classical"......

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Or maybe we could follow the examples in the xian faerie tale book of their deity's promulgation of human sacrifice.....

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Op-ed: Maintain state’s transportation network with a carbon tax**
by Yoram Bauman and Ian Siadak

"Our reality problem is evident in the recently released legislative agenda of the Association of Washington Business. This document acknowledges that current transportation funding sources are “inadequate,” boldly makes the case for investment in system maintenance, freight mobility and new capacity, and then degenerates into mumbling about paying for this with “funding strategies” that the Legislature should “clearly articulate.” All that the association is able to articulate is opposition to carbon pricing and support for the supermajority requirement for tax increases.

Our reality problem is evident in the environmental community as well. Many environmentalists argue that carbon-tax revenues should be dedicated to clean-energy programs, ignoring the economic value (not to mention the political value) of funding transportation maintenance."

[http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020044857_yorambaumaniansiadakopedxml.html][1]

[1]: http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2020044857_yorambaumaniansiadakopedxml.html

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: About the lack of access to FB comments you mentioned...perhaps you can only get them if you have a FB account now. I know that you can no longer access someone's Tweet followers or who they are following now without signing up for a Twitter account.

I am staying out of it.

Speaking of social web technology: I have been fascinated with the increased interest in self-deleting photos from apps like Snapchat and Poke. There is a self-deleting email app called Burn Note, as well. What you send self-destructs within minutes or seconds. Petraeus might have found such tools helpful. How this will impact computer forensic investigations will be interesting. I rather doubt anything documented electronically on a computer or smartphone or tablet is actually gone.

Anonymous hackers have released a series of Tweets from one of the Ohio high school football players accused of gang raping a 16 year old girl. What a chilling example of a young man with no heart, soul, or common decency.

What you email, tweet, publish online lasts forever and can haunt you for the rest of your life:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/03/anonymous_leaks_video_of_steubenville_high_schoolers_joking_about_gang_rape/

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


David Madore is going to be the most photographed, most written about local public official in 2013. Too bad there are not bookies taking bets on this. :)

I do think he is also going to be the focus of some ethics complaints.

Just a matter of time . . .

I know some of you think the guy walks on water, but, in his naive zeal, he is gonna stumble. He reminds me of those politicians in the House that are happily holding up business for us all. Eventually, it backfires.

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — January 3, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.

Eventually, it backfires....

Or the *Good ol' Boyz Club* manages to virtually tie his hands and place a virtual gag around his mouth and in an attempt to prevent him from doing what he was paid to do in order for their special interests to continue down the route they've worked years for...and will stop at nothing to silence him in order to complete what they've started.

Only time will tell.

Oh...and the comment about the guy walks on water...if these 22 degree mornings (day 3 at my home) continue, we'll all be able to walk on water...frozen water that is, lol. Seriously, anybody who would think any politician walks on water, they'll soon find who's getting dumped into that water and the politician won't be there to throw the life ring!

goldenoldie — January 3, 2013 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Six Weeks After Reelection, Obama Sells Out Liberal Democrats**
by Ted Rall
After the election Kerry Eleveld wrote a piece for The Atlantic titled “Why Barack Obama Will Be a More Effective Liberal in His Second Term.”

“In response to their initial disappointment with the president’s early performance, many progressives speculated that Obama was just waiting for a second term to be more liberal,” he said. That was true. They were.

Eleveld continued: “A more likely explanation is that Obama was still finding his groove, figuring out which levers worked best for him in the context of governing the nation. And in some ways, he was still developing the courage of his convictions.”

That, it turns out, was false. He wasn’t.

You can’t develop convictions that you don’t have in the first place.

It’s hard to remember now, more than six weeks later, but there was once a time (six long weeks ago) when liberal Democrats who naïvely chose to ignore Obama’s consistently conservative first term, his consistently conservative career in the Senate, and his consistently conservative pre-politics career as a University of Chicago law professor, seriously believed that his reelection would lead to a progressive second term. [http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/25][1]

[1]: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/25

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Too bad about the tweet restrictions and it makes sense the two are tied together. What are they trying to do? Induce more to sign up? It just makes me less interested than I was.

*He reminds me of those politicians in the House that are happily holding up business for us all. Eventually, it backfires.*

Pride goeth before a fall as they say...I guess we'll be the ones to pick up the pieces.

Cantor just got a vote! The drama!

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: LOL! Yes, we all walk on water today, but oh, so carefully, I hope!

I am trying to remain open minded, goldie, about Mr. Madore. It really does not hurt to get some new blood in there to shake up the entitled lifers who have had very little serious challenges over the years.

I do it in my own little way. You do it in yours. We all should hold government accountable.

We'll just have to see. I think Madore will be in some powerful crosshairs and his actions will be under an equally-powerful microscope, too. As it should be.

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Want to see some examples of tasteless media whoring-for-attention?

This is what I hate about news-as-entertainment:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/03/the-return-of-the-clinton-crazies/191996

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


House Speaker election on C-SPAN....and Senate on C-SPAN 2. I haven't heard anything about proposed changes with the filibuster rules yet.

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"..with "unions and guilds) that run the show in Clark County..."
holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.

Send us the list of the " "unions and guilds) that run the show in Clark County "

Don't forget to make sure to show the analysis showing how you know those " "unions and guilds) " have such influence.

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 10:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou-

I keep hearing about "transparency" in government. Is that what Madore was attempting when he set up meetings with certain city council members that had people on the C-tran board that were in favor of the CRC? Seems to me he's trying to back-door stack the deck in his favor. It's slimy, I tell ya. Just slimy.

And Roger, the thing about having a prayer at their meeting, if they want to have a moment of silence, that's cool. To me, open prayer is like smoking. If you want to do it, it's OK with me, just don't blow it in my face.

hawkeye — January 3, 2013 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.

Good write and speaks to a few of my frustrations with President Obama. Now that he has enshrined more than 4/5 of the Bush tax cuts by making them permanent, you'd think it would quell the "socialist" "communist" rhetoric from the right. No chance.

You just can't trust right wing politicians to do the will of the people anymore. Turn your back for a second and...

**Michigan, Virginia pass backdoor abortion restrictions**

*Governors in Michigan, Virginia sneak in a New Year surprise when no one was looking: Abortion restrictions*

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/02/michigan_virginia_pass_backdoor_abortion_restrictions/

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 10:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Boehner just re-elected!

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 10:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.

Really? So you think that the County cops shouldn't have a career as a County cop? Or that the road maintenance workers shouldn't have a lifelong job? Or that the sewer and water people should only work for the County for a few years and move on?

Maybe you should leave your job and find something else since security and a good job don't mean anything to you.

What planet do you come from?

hawkeye — January 3, 2013 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Do I have to bother naming them?*

holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.

Of course not. No 'law' requiring you to.

But if you want your comments to hold any value, if you want your comments to actually be taken as having some sort of validity, you'd want to support your claims.

So, if it is too much to ask, then we don't need to accept your thinking has having any credibility.

So, maybe I'm a slow learner; but here goes....

"*Look, as is, America will sink. We need a 180*...."

holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.

Show us how you know "...as is, America will sink."

"...180..." from what exactly?

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 11:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Do you know how long does it take to "negociate" with a union or guild in Clark County to set up a deal? Months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.

So, no specific "union or quild" you want to mention?

So, no specific "deal" that was set up?

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh my God! Boehner is starting to blubber when speaking to the new Congress about responsibilities!

Breath-O-Meter time!

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


For those who follow Andrew Sullivan's blog, like myself, he is leaving The Daily Beast and going paywall independent in February. In 24 short hours, he has amassed 12,000 subscribers and a third of a million dollar seed money. He figures he needs about a million a year for his staff and operation to survive.

Amazing: [link text][1]

[1]: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/week1/index.html

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- Andrew Sullivan is one of my wife's favorites. I was sorry to hear he's leaving the Beast and charging bucks for his commentary. I guess it's becoming the way of journalism. At least a nickel a day is a good starting rate!

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veztNJ...

Anyone else hear about change with overseas APPLE management?

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrap- If you think it's the American way to raise a family without job security in today's corporate USA, unfortunately you're partially right.

But there are many of us who understand this is wrong. It's important American workers have job stability and working rights, to include the right to collectively bargain.

*In today's global economy no job is secure but government. Anybody can do it cheaper and more efficiently but for some reason, government holds its grip commanded by crooked politicians.*

Sounds like Corporate is doing a little hood winking of their own.

Remember this guy? I do. I dialogued with one of staff back in the old forum days. Those days when a bunch of old farts voted down a simple soda tax for community improvement, while all along lifting glasses of Johnny Walker Blue to celebrate this guy's tax breaks.

**Ken Fisher, Billionaire Forbes Writer, Attempts To Argue That The U.S. Needs Fewer Jobs**

Jobs, Fisher explains, are actually signs of weakness in the economy. Jobs mean we can't produce stuff without human beings lousing up the place, instead of nice, clean robots, which are not constantly pestering you for health care and maternity leave and breaks. The greater our economy's productivity, the less we need of such nuisances. Then we can all sip cocktails on the beach for the rest of our days. Sous les paves, la plage.

"In the long run we will all benefit," Fisher says, by nobody having any jobs any more, forever. He then goes on to extol the virtues of investing in a handful of companies he says will be top-notch at destroying jobs, including Anheuser-Busch InBev and Walmart.

The massive mistake Fisher is making is understandable: People often think that productivity and jobs are mutually exclusive. The government's official measure of productivity is calculated by dividing output by worker hour. If you can get more output with fewer worker hours, voila, productivity.

But history shows that higher productivity and more jobs typically go hand in hand, according to a paper a few years back by William Nordhaus of the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/06/ken-fisher-forbes_n_2251630.html

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


A refresh on Ken Fisher- "Job Creator" and "visionary" for those who don't recall.

Update: “There is nothing new to report other than we are still optimistic that our efforts will pay off,” said Camas Mayor Scott Higgins, in an email.

Ken Fisher spoke at a Camas-Washougal Chamber of Commerce luncheon in June, but he didn’t publicly discuss whether his company would soon call Camas home, according to a story in The Columbian newspaper.

The economic incentives expire at the end of 2013.

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2012/12/27/2012-updates-camas-fisher-investments.html

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/ju...

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sir Basil and HolyCrapola - Google Identity Clark County and look at the membership - That's going to be Madore's primary opposition. Also some of the leadership of Greater Vancouver Chamber of Commerce, though they may or may not represent the membership of that organization. (This per various comments from people who claim to be members and who are opposed to LRT in Vancouver.) And of course, there's the Vancouver Mayor and a couple of the Councilmembers. I haven't noted any of the companies or trade guilds representing construction taking a position on the CRC, which is mainly what Madore's support or opposition will be based on. Robert Dean referred to some "east side" developers a couple of times that he said were supporting the CRC - whether this was tied to the Vancouver Waterfront project or whether they figure to cash in building east of 205 during the years CRC construction makes old Vancouver fairly inconvenient to get to he didn't say.

roger — January 3, 2013 at 12:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Speaking of the Vancouver Waterfront Development project, that's something else worth getting up to speed on. It's supposed to get started in 2014, in the old Boise Cascade site south of the railroad tracks. While private investment will cover the bulk of the cost, there will be consideration public funding. Vancouver City website says 30:1 private:public funding. There's also a $1.3 billion private reinvestment figure noted; if this is the private investment they mean, that's about $43 million public dollars to build the infrastructure. Read the details here http://www.cityofvancouver.us/waterfront.asp
and here http://www.thewaterfrontvancouverusa.com/master-plan.html

roger — January 3, 2013 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


For those of you here, like me, who have resisted drinking the FB Kool Aid, I have a fun opinion piece for you from the LA Times by Meghan Daum.

Pretty soon, we are going to be in an elite minority, if we are not already.

It is spot-on:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-daum-facebook-brag-20130103,0,6984743.column

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: Glad you brought up the Gramor Waterfront Development. It's been on my back burner to review again.

Hey goldie: Your family is Greek. If you or yours attend the church in Portland, you would know George and Paula Diamond. They are big investors in the waterfront project. Ask them how it is going and get back to us, will you please? Thanks in advance.

manthou — January 3, 2013 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.

Somebody else here used to post 'links' to stuff that they thought related and even supported their claims.

Then told us to do their homework.

Let us know when you've decided to actually support your claims.

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*A 180 concerning the way we do business.
....
We have to re-enginner.*
holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.

Anything substantive you can point to that supports that?

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — January 3, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.

The article didn't even address the most irritating thing about facebook - I've got a friend that insists on posting about 50 pics a day. And I can't "unfriend" because I don't want to hurt feelings. Then there's the gamers sending out challenges, the horoscopes, and if you "like" something, you'll get their e-mails too. (Some is OK - Morning Joe, Mark Twain, Gore Vidal, etc. - but I really don't need to know that Black Sabbath is out of the nursing home for their zillionth reunion tour or something like that.)

I had to get facebook to talk on that side. Everyone here has their minds pretty much made up about the CRC and local things like that. Over there, one can help influence a much larger segment of the population. (And it's kind of entertaining to see others repeating an argument you've made previously - call it hubris.)

The other thing I found was that I tied into a lot of people from a town I spent several years living in back in PA - most people my age moved, because the factories died and jobs disappeared. But we get on and talk about what the town was once upon a time, which teachers we liked or hated, stuff like that. It was useful for reestablishing relationships from 35-40 years ago - a lot of fun.

I guess my point is that there's definitely a downside, but if used properly facebook does have it's benefits.

roger — January 3, 2013 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou...

The church has a rather large following of folks from all walks of life...the wealthy, the not so wealthy and those who are struggling to get by. It's quite crowded on Sundays, especially around the holidays. Honestly, we do not personally know the couple you speak of and like others who invest or intend to invest in the Waterfront Project, they too come from all walks of life as well...not just the Greeks. Seems to me you know more about the Diamond's than I. Care to share???

Loved your comment about the FB KoolAid...something I don't care to taste, that's for sure!!!

Regarding your comment @9:45 am... BOY do I agree with you on that!!!

goldenoldie — January 3, 2013 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*First, there are 12 unions/guilds tying up the nuts of taxpayer's monies in County Government. Those organizations are 50% Fat, here me again fat!*
holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 3:57 p.m

Tell us how you know:

1) "12 unions/guilds tying up the nuts"

2) "are 50% Fat"

3) "those organization are quite corrupted,"

4) "Profit sharing is the most crooked way of distributing profits in a company. "

Then we can decide whether it is worth reading, much less parsing, your claims.

Until then, I'd suggest that the person having problems with "...lazy butt!" might be the person making a bunch of unsupported claims.

mr_basil_seal — January 3, 2013 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hah, one question and self destruct. Funny.

hawkeye — January 3, 2013 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


At least Bachman is consistent. :))

**Michele Bachmann Introduces First Bill In New Congress To Repeal Obamacare, Again**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/michele-bachmann-repeal-obamacare_n_2405168.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.

He's not going to find anything "juicy". It's going to be a massive waste of time unless he hires someone to do it for him.

hawkeye — January 3, 2013 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@manthou — January 3, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.

After reading your link I tripped over one of my vintage Strats and had to put my broker on hold. I'm *so* clumsy! :)

nailingit — January 3, 2013 at 10:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal



RE: Madore and his review. What caught my attention is that County Commissioners sign off approving the payments. I think he's going about doing the right thing - knowing what he's approving, rather than blithely OK'ing - the wrong way. A meeting with County Auditor Greg Kimsey, to see what his operation does to review payments and ensure fiscal responsibility, might be a better starting point. And if the answer is "nothing", then perhaps asking that office to conduct reviews and send summary reports to the Board would work.

Hopefully this is an honest concern on Madore's part and not just an effort to find more payouts like the one to CREDC that he recently objected to. While that one may or may not have been questionable, this type of focus would change his effort from trying to do the right thing to a witch hunt. (In my opinion.)

roger — January 4, 2013 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So, once again the demand to support your statements with sources comes up. I'm finding that quite old. I see nowhere in the basement's rules of engagement that opinions don't count. We're not writing a dissertation here, with mandatory footnoting. Further, most of the references people post that I bother to check are little more than opinion pieces themselves.

Try countering the statement with a good argument for why it's wrong, instead of demanding an "expert" source and discounting that argument if one isn't provided.

roger — January 4, 2013 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I see nowhere in the basement's rules of engagement that opinions don't count.*

Article 4 Sec.20 states;

(a) If a basement dweller/s challenge/s assertions put forth by another basement dweller/s, the challenged dweller/s must present material to support claim in question, either with linkage or supported writes grounded in one or more supportable links. (b) Failure to comply with ((a)) negates given opinion. Basement cordiality rules then dictate either future compliance or individual/s to produce proper certification indicating diminished capacity.

Source: Basement Rule/s Of Conduct 5th edition updated 1/04/13/7:28

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 7:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The idiots in the vid @ 11:13 no doubt would refuse to present documentation. In order to maintain some degree of reasonability/credibility, requests for supporting links should be embraced, not criticized.

When dealing with conservatives in the 21st century, links are a must. All others, deal with it or be in violation of 420!

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 7:22 a.m.

nail, you forgot Article 17. Sec. 23 that states- Unless the argument starts with "NeeNer NeeNer NeeNer". Then all you need for "proof of argument" is "cause I said so". However, the argument MUST start with said beginning.

hawkeye — January 4, 2013 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


BTW, with me, the NeeNer is ALWAYS implied. No need to post it.

hawkeye — January 4, 2013 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


8))

goldenoldie — January 4, 2013 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — January 4, 2013 at 7:48 a.m.

Well, then there's that..:)

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


When I first read this headline I thought, spending? racism? misogyny? bigotry? ideology? leadership? values? diversity? eggs over easy?

**GOP scrambles to fix its primary problem**

The disastrous 2012 election and embarrassing fiscal cliff standoff has brought forth one principal conclusion from establishment Republicans: They have a primary problem.

The intra-party contests, or threat thereof, have become the original sin that explains many of the party’s woes in the minds of GOP leaders. It’s the primaries that push their presidential nominees far to the right (see “self-deportation” and “47 percent”); produce lackluster Senate candidates (Todd Akin has almost become a one-word shorthand); and, as seen most vividly in the last two weeks, dissuade scores of gerrymandered House members from face-saving compromise while politically emasculating their speaker.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/gop-scrambles-to-fix-its-primary-problem-85726.html#ixzz2H1bahigC

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Enough of this! Find your own link!*

holycrapola — January 3, 2013 at 5:19 p.m.

Thanks for letting us know we don't need to bother reading your screeds.

No evidence, no explication, no analysis; just some ranting backed up with "Find your own link".

Got it.

mr_basil_seal — January 4, 2013 at 8:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mr_basil_seal — January 4, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.

*Thanks for letting us know we don't need to bother reading your* **screeds**.

**Screed!** Great word! Thank you for improving my vocabulary.

Understanding infringement status doesn't apply, but out of a personal desire to assume a gentlemanly posture in the interest of forum decorum, if I may, I shall use it much in future forum conversation.

It rhymes with so much! :))

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What happens is, (some) folks have a tendency to present an opinion as though it were fact. In *my opinion* that's a bit disingenuous. It appears Mr. seal is of the same opinion.

Our difference though (again, in appearance) is, for the most part I'm happy to simply blow-off spiels of that nature. I prefer to just make note and figure it gives me a touch of insight into the individual's personality.

Unless, of course, the subject matter is drug prohibition (and I hear a big collective sight, "Here he goes..."). Being an activist I won't tolerate half truths, propoganda, nor ignorant blathering on the subject. A person might have the opinion "pot is bad." That's fine. A person can do that. Whatever... How-some-oh-ever if one wants to pander on about gateway effects, brain cells, lung cancer, etc. then they darn sure better have their resources handy. Without a foundation to the opinion "pot is bad" said opinion isn't worth anymore than this post you'll have just read.

It works the same with any subject matter, actually.
Me, I just don't care to comment on stuff I've either not much interest or education in. Opinion or otherwise.

The link below is an example of both fact and opinion. The two *can* hold hands.

http://capndrift.wordpress.com/

No one's mentioned my adding an avatar. I'm crushed.

Drift — January 4, 2013 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*No one's mentioned my adding an avatar. I'm crushed.*

Drift — January 4, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.

Net worthy!

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


David Madore: I can tell you this, folks, that man is going to give 200% of his time in doing the county's work. No matter how you feel about his politics, you have to give him this: he has an admirable work ethic.

You know how it will go: Madore will be earning his salary from day one and, by comparison, help raise the bar for expectations of his fellow commissioners. Mielke better set his alarm clocks and mark his calendars to keep up with him. :) No more slacking off and forgetting this or that (like paying your own property taxes or forgetting to come to work for critical votes).

I did have the chance to greet and sit with Mr. Madore during our October neighborhood association meeting. We had a candidate's forum. Lots of folks were ignoring him because they do not like him (we are a very blue area of Vancouver), so I took advantage of this opportunity to engage him. Why be rude to a guest you have invited to your home? I do not get it. Anyway, I got to ask him about how he is going to be able to run his successful business AND be an effective, reliable commissioner at the same time.

He reassured me that he has surrounded himself with the most competent managers and employees he could find and that he intends to give the county his full effort and then some.

I do not doubt that at all.

manthou — January 4, 2013 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Love the avatar, Drift! I also appreciate your understanding that opinion and fact can make a happy couple.

manthou — January 4, 2013 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*No one's mentioned my adding an avatar. I'm crushed.*

Drift — January 4, 2013 at 8:57 a.m

Sorry I missed noticing. Fortunately it isn't a [Scold's Bridle][1]

[1]: http://www.bridgemanart.com/asset/352332/English-School-17th-century/'Scold's-Bridle'-c.1649-engraving

mr_basil_seal — January 4, 2013 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — January 4, 2013 at 8:57 a.m

Well put.

A writer doesn't need to source "the earth is round" -that's common knowledge, but does need to source "every scientist used to think the world was flat, therefore climate science is wrong".

mr_basil_seal — January 4, 2013 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Try countering the statement with a good argument for why it's wrong, instead of demanding an "expert" source and discounting that argument if one isn't provided.*

roger — January 4, 2013 at 6:42 a.m.

That HC can't bring forward any evidence that supports the claims speaks far more to the point that there is nothing substantive in the posts.

And you are right, linking to an op-ed as 'proof'.....

mr_basil_seal — January 4, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Ducks Flock all over Sparky 35-17.... NEE NEER Nee Ner all those SEC Folks...Hope you had a great night at the Waffle House......GOOOO DUCKS>>>>

"Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish. A little knowledge that acts is worth infinitely more than much knowledge that is idle."

JQA

Little did he know we would have computers someday and people think they are smarter than they actually are...

SRP

vanwadreamer — January 4, 2013 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I know there are folks on here who focus on healthy living and safe food. Mother Jones has a fantastic new investigative piece that shows a scientific correlation between lead exposure and criminal behavior.

It is worth the read. This is good journalism (Pulitzer submission, I am sure):

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline?page=1

manthou — January 4, 2013 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — January 4, 2013 at 9:59 a.m

That's kind of interesting. I've actually been exposed to lead most of my life, now that I think about it. I started pumping gas at the age of 10, balancing tires at 14 (lead weights), using a Linotype printing press from 14 to 17 (hot lead) stained glass work from 22 on (50/50 lead solder and lead came for windows). Wonder how much damage has been done. Oh well, can't fix it now.

Then there was all the mercury we used to play with as kids.

hawkeye — January 4, 2013 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, IAW the Basement rule Nails posted (I guess I overslept and missed out when presented for approval) I'm hereby claiming diminished capacity, and am thus permanently excluded from the requirement for substantiating my comments with expert opinion. Further, my attorney advises me that this exemption will probably allow me to declare myself an expert source. So, feel free to quote me at any time.

roger — January 4, 2013 at 12:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Vanwadreamer - I'm pretty sure K-State is Big 12, not SEC. But I share your apparent desire to see the those overrated SEC teams lose (Louisville spanking the Gators was a great game), and will be rooting for Oklahoma to beat Johnny Football's team tonight, and for Notre Dame in the big one.

As for the Duckies - the score was the most impressive thing about their victory. No idea what was going on with K-State; they'd pound their way down to the 10 yard line on most of their possessions, and then walk away with nothing. By the latter part of the 3rd quarter I think their defense finally said screw it - that's when the Duckies started racking up the yardage and points.

But I do agree either they or K-State belonged in the title game - against Notre Dame. Bama's there because they get bonus points for being in the mighty SEC.

roger — January 4, 2013 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou, hawkeye,

They used to spray DDT in a lot of places I lived in the South back in the 50s/early 60s. We kids used to ride our bikes behind the truck in the fog - that stuff actually smelled good.

roger — January 4, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift,

Raising bees? Or is smoking in a gas mask making a comeback?

roger — January 4, 2013 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sir Basil,

RE: Screeds - Would that be a truss screed or a roller screed?

roger — January 4, 2013 at 12:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger ,

I know K State is from the Big 12 or now only what 10 teams...It was more of an observation comment to the SEC folks..

You are right about the bonus points from SEC and their past few years of Championships....and bama lost before the Duckies did at the end of the season...Heck for that matter the Irish would have lost 2 or 3 games if they played in the Pac-12... They played 1 ranked team all year and that was at home and won by a Ref's call.. I don't consider OK a ranked team either.. Sorry when you lose at home to ND you don't deserve to be ranked in top 25...LOL

On the news front an Observation

High-level vacancies in the administration are expected to include Secretary of state, Secretary of defense and Treasury secretary. A permanent CIA director also must be chosen.

*"My No. 1 criteria will be who's going to do the best job in helping to secure America*," Said by Obama this morning....Because the last folks who held these positions frankly didn't do a very good job...I wonder where he got those observations from...

vanwadreamer — January 4, 2013 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When and if police subpoena your FB account, this is an example of what FB shares with them:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/phlog/archive/2012/04/06/when-police-subpoena-your-facebook-information-heres-what-facebook-sends-cops.aspx#.UOcZnEd2FkQ.twitter

manthou — January 4, 2013 at 1:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — January 4, 2013 at 1:20 p.m

I'm not a bit surprised. In fact, I'll bet the "C" would throw everyone here under the bus as well and probably faster with a lesser warrant.

hawkeye — January 4, 2013 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Raising bees? Or is smoking in a gas mask making a comeback?*

roger — January 4, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.

It went away?

nailingit — January 4, 2013 at 5:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

No idea. That was something we did back in the 60s/70s; figured it was part of the retro-hippie scene the youngsters have going now. And I wonder if that's a peace sign or V for Victory Drift is throwing?

roger — January 4, 2013 at 6:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well, David Madore is making waves again. Did you read about his offer to Yacolt and BG about giving them legal advice for free from Clark County?

One of the most challenging and thoughtful FB responses came from Fran Hammond:

"Passing on legal advice through a intermediary is not always advisable. The information can be skewed to personal opinion and/or omission. And who do you think PAYS these county attorneys, Mr. Madore? Do you really have the right to offer our tax dollars up for free to garner the "right" appointments by these towns to the CRC? Isn't that bribery? Mis-use of public funds? Or do you "invent" your own laws and rules regarding such matters?"

What did I predict? Madore is gonna have an ethics charge slapped on him someday soon. Does he mean well, or is he "buying" support as Fran Hammond suggests? He is used to calling his own shots and answering to no one (well, maybe God. Maybe).

This is like the Langley mayor who is going to jail for 15 days for conflict-of-interest and abusing his power. His loyal supporters are angry at the DA and are jumping to his defense by saying "we don't care if HE breaks the law because he is so popular. We love him anyway."

Oh, man. This is better than HBO.

manthou — January 4, 2013 at 9:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — January 4, 2013 at 9:59 p.m.

Yuck, yuck, yuck....

Ooooops

NeeNer, Neener, Neener.

There.

hawkeye — January 4, 2013 at 11:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye: Temple Lentz's take on the Madore horse-trading incident:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://dailycouve.blogspot.com

manthou — January 5, 2013 at 12:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The mask is a facial treatment patented by the Tough Love Salon. It's filled with a rejuvenating gel. I try to maintain a youthful outward appearance.

It's a difficult treatment. One must hold their breath for three minutes to get the full effect. One down two to go. The Salon is serious about their services. If I were to pull the mask off before the three minutes were up... Well, you see that net under me?

;^)

Drift — January 5, 2013 at 6:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holyc: Madore or any other politician elected by the majority may certainly try to "reform" whatever they deem needs it, I guess. I assume people who voted for him expect him to try.

He just has to remember to act within the limits of the law and ethics. Time will tell if he can do this without getting himself in hot water.

Just google "Langley WA mayor" to see what happened to that beloved politician when he ignored ethics and plowed ahead with his own agenda: 15 days in jail plus the threat of never being able to hold public office ever again.

manthou — January 5, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Debt Ceiling Crisis 2013: The Media Needs To Be Trained**

But the enabling isn't just happening in Congress, it's happening in the media, as well, which is why another thing **I would like to make clear is that those who see debt ceiling lunacy as a legitimate side in a debate or just one more interesting point of view among many are just as culpable in what could be a pending economic calamity as the lunatics themselves.** I'm not alone in this concern. Greg Sargent has done a fine job outlining the logical fallacy behind legitimizing debt ceiling hostage taking and notes in particular that by and large, the media has framed the entire fiscal debate incorrectly:

Indeed, you can read through much of the coverage and come away with the sense that this is a typical negotiation: Democrats want a rise in the debt ceiling; Republicans want spending cuts; therefore, the two sides are squaring off for a game of chicken to see who can extract more from the other. That’s not what’s happening at all, and any accounts that portray it as such present a deeply unbalanced picture.

Exactly right: we should not be talking about a "debate" over the debt ceiling, or portraying a rise in the debt ceiling as a thing that Democrats "want" or are bargaining to obtain. I require oxygen to continue respiring. Oxygen is not something I "want" or am bargaining to obtain. Give me oxygen right now or I die and that's that. The rise in the debt ceiling is similarly necessary, because Congress has already agreed to spend a certain amount of money, and according to this dumb ritual, must now affirm their intentions to fulfill their previously agreed-to obligations. This is not a matter for debate -- the country and the economy needs the debt ceiling rise, full stop. (Once it's raised and the world is not going to pitch into economic oblivion, everyone can have a terrific debate over the long term budget trajectory, propose laws, have votes, survive vetos and campaign on the results or lack thereof.)

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/debt-ceiling-2013_n_2410622.html

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 11:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- A trend exists within government wrought by conservatives. Turn over a pew or two and it's become quite common for "God fearing" politicians to use whatever means necessary to push their agenda regardless of consequence or the willful majority of people to whom they are paid to serve.

In many cases what republicans have been doing at the local level as well as national is unconscionable. Voter suppression, finagling with abortion laws, health care, obstructing to impede a functioning government to name a few.

Some of these guys feel as though they have a mandate from God. They've felt that way for decades, but now many have a Koch Bros/others paycheck to go with it, and some of these independently wealthy guys could care less if they throw wrenches in the works. It doesn't cost them anything and the consequences are minimal in light of doing "God's work".

This Madore thing will be interesting. At some level I hope he doesn't disappoint his dedicated followers *too* much. I think for many it would be devastating, as some display a hero worship of sorts with this guy. I'm always intrigued when people put so much faith into one person, and treat the principles and fairness they claim to as secondary.

But when God is speaking to you...

---

holycrap- It's never a good idea to hold politicians to a lower standard. It sounds like you expect much good from this openly religious conservative politician. Holy crap indeed!

Many are willing to turn a blind eye to misdeeds as long as those deeds serve the blind eye's agenda.

The blind leading the blind.

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*No way can this government be more divided than what it is. Let the Court sort this out if need be, but it needs to be on table. My God this GOP is ridiculous. Ridiculous and dangerous.*

**Democrats to Obama: Keep Constitution on the table in debt ceiling fight**

But while conservatives argue that invoking the 14th Amendment is unconstitutional, Democrats say that’s up to the Supreme Court.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) is urging Obama to try his luck.

“If I were the president, I would say, ‘Here’s what I’m going to do. You want to sue me? Go ahead. Because I have just made a decision that I am not going to allow Social Security recipients to miss a check,’” Cleaver said Friday.

**Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.)**, who says the president should “absolutely” keep the option on the table, said only the Supreme Court needs to worry about what’s constitutional.

“Frankly, as a member of the legislative branch, our job is not to decide whether something is constitutional or not,” the Ways and Means member said. “If we said, ‘Gee, what will Alito think on this or what will John Roberts think on that?’ we would never get anywhere. … If someone disagrees with what we’re doing, they can then take it to the court for clarification.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/democrats-keep-constitution-on-the-table-85792_Page2.html#ixzz2H8MHhJut

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**12 most despicable things Fox News did in 2012**

*From producing its own anti-Obama video to spinning furiously on unemployment, the network had a banner year*

2012 was a dismal year for Fox News. The PR arm of the GOP failed to fulfill its prime directive: advancing the interests of Mitt Romney and the Republican Party. It spent much of the year constructing an alternative reality that left millions of its flock in shock when President Obama won an overwhelming reelection. It refused to accept the facts on the ground and denigrated polls (even its own) when the results conflicted with the fictional narrative it was peddling. And perhaps most painful of all, Fox surrendered its ratings lead to MSNBC. Two-thirds of its primetime lineup (Hannity and Van Susteren) dropped to second place behind the competition on MSNBC (Maddow and O’Donnell). However, Fox’s travails did not occur for lack of effort. It was clearly operating at the top of its capacity to distort and deceive. In the process it unleashed some of the most feverishly biased reporting, even for Fox News. What follows are a few of the worst departures from ethical journalism by Fox in the last year.

Read more @ http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/12_most_despicable_things_fox_news_did_in_2012/

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 6:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Mary Jane vending machines coming our way. Granted, they are not self-operating, but still.

If someone had told me I would see such a creation when I was just a wee college kid all those many years ago, well . . .

manthou — January 5, 2013 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVe3h...

I'll take a SlowPoke and a toke.

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 9:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**White House weighs broad gun-control agenda in wake of Newtown shootings**

The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.

The Biden group, formed last month after the massacre at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 children and six adults, plans to submit a package of recommendations to President Obama this month. Once Obama’s proposals are set, he plans to lead a public-relations offensive to generate popular support.

“They are very clearly committed to looking at this issue comprehensively,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who has been involved in the discussions. The proposals under consideration, he added, are “a deeper exploration than just the assault-weapons ban.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-weighs-broad-gun-control-agenda-in-wake-of-newtown-shootings/2013/01/05/d281efe0-5682-11e2-bf3e-76c0a789346f_story.html?hpid=z1

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 10:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Welcome to the new Civil War**

*Lincoln's unfinished war rages on, as the neo-Confederacy tries to turn back the clock on women, gays, God and guns*

We’ve just emerged from a presidential campaign that exposed how hardened our political and cultural divide has become, and how poorly the two sides understand each other. Part of the Republican problem, in an election that party thought it would win easily, was that those who felt a visceral disgust toward both the idea and the reality of President Barack Obama simply could not believe that they didn’t represent a majority. As many Republicans are now aware, the party now faces an existential crisis. It’s all very well to go on TV and talk about attracting Latinos and downplaying cultural wedge issues. But the activist core of the Republican Party is neo-Confederate, whether it thinks of itself that way or not. It isn’t interested in common cause with Mexicans or turning down the moral thermostat. Just ask Rick Santorum: What it wants is war.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/welcome_to_the_new_civil_war/

nailingit — January 5, 2013 at 10:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Good choice, Nails!!! A great album that I literally wore the grooves out on (something nearly impossible on the Dual 1229 turntable I had, but....). Anyhow, how about another from the same show?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_YvGhMLKE

roger — January 6, 2013 at 9:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Got a response saying video player is too small, so I'm trying something else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivyg-C...

roger — January 6, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal


OK - That one works, so I guess it's the server the videos were stored on.

roger — January 6, 2013 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's a lawsuit waiting in the wings: An apartment complex in Seattle is demanding that all its tenants sign a document that affirms they will not smoke dope in their apartments.

If they refuse to sign, they are out.

If a landlord can prohibit cigarette smoking, why not this? Can't wait to see how this plays out.

manthou — January 6, 2013 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger- It doesn't get any better!

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manthou @ 10:05- *If a landlord can prohibit cigarette smoking, why not this?*

With so many options to consume pot this shouldn't be a problem.

Time to invest in companies who produce nicotine gum and pot intake alternatives! :)

nailingit — January 6, 2013 at noon ( | suggest removal


manthou, thanks for the link, Temple always has a good handle on things.

holycrap, as for your take on Madore, he's an idiot. First off, you don't offer things that don't belong to you. Secondly, when you start a new job, you usually hang back a little and see how things go before you jump in with both feet and bury yourself up to your neck. Both are indicative of a naive, headstrong person who always get's his way, somewhat like a spoiled child. I fear there is going to be a crash, not unlike the eventual effect of pounding ten red bulls in an hour. Maybe, after that time, he will come down to earth and become a productive member of the board and not some wild eyed zealot.

He said that on January 3rd, the "floodgates will open" and anybody in Clark County who wanted a job would have one..... Still waiting.

hawkeye — January 6, 2013 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

If the complex also bans smoking tobacco, then I don't see where a tenant would have a leg to stand on - unless they can somehow make the case that they lived there before the rule was enacted and therefore should be grandfathered. But I don't see this argument working; I suspect the complex could counter that they got with their lawyers to work out a legally binding agreement, and it took until now to get this together - that smoking tobacco is against the rules, and smoking any other substance logically follows. However, if this is a new rule directed solely at pot smoking, and smoking tobacco is OK, then there could be a problem with enforcement.

But what do I know - I like the law to make sense, but the lawyers have made sure it doesn't - that way we need them.

roger — January 6, 2013 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


It's good to keep in mind about the only thing pot has in common with tobacco is the popular delivery system they share.

Tobacco laws are made based on the dangers of second hand smoke. Pot requires a different look as to exposure in my opinion. It presents it's own set of issues. I don't think we should lump the two together.

I have to think in time smoking will become the least desired method for getting high.

Usage of vaporizers, edibles, spray etc. will increase with time. These types of delivery systems will gain popularity, in part due to "environmental" concerns such as close quarter living.

It's so cool to have this discussion. Pot's legal! It's weird! It's good! It's almost hard to accept! But I try and remind myself everyday!

nailingit — January 6, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Republicans continue to eat their own. Is Hagel, a moderate, not conservative enough for the baggers? I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't blow up in their faces with general public opinion if they mount a serious movement to discredit, question his ablity, all in the public eye. The guy's a decorated veteran, unlike his soon to be Republican senator detractors. Crazy things in the DC GOP.

mrd — January 6, 2013 at 4:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail pretty much hit it on the head (writing that sentence is weird. Should there be a hammer here somehwere?;^)

Secondhand smoke from cannabis is a totally different can of worms than Winstons. The health issues are zip. The stuff does have a distinctive odor though. I know of two individuals who've adverse reactions to cannabis odors. One gets sick with the burning of, and another the flowering plants.

I also know of folks with shellfish allergies so intense a few shrimps on the barbie could mean an EpiPen and maybe a trip to the E.R.

The other day I had a visit from an old acquantance. The individual was telling me grilling on the deck/balcony was verboten at his new digs. That's right, no outdoor grilling.

The answer to both the cannabis connoisseur and the grilling guru are simple. Get the heck out of their current abode, or use another means to achieve the same end.

It aint rocket surgery.

Drift — January 6, 2013 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal



hawkeye — January 6, 2013 at 10:24 p.m.

Oh Good Lord...it's been plastered all over the news. Never mind the families displaced by fires or the man drowned in Johnson Creek or any other news of importance. NoooOooo...the news has to make a big deal about a college football coach and his little game to gain a hefty pay raise at UofO.

There's no "I" in TEAM! It takes more than just one person to make a team a winning team, hawkeye.

BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL!!!

goldenoldie — January 7, 2013 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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