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nailingit — February 19, 2012 at 11:54 p.m.

"There has been calls for me to renew my candidacy for President of the United States of America...---My declaration---A Unified State of America, United Solely for Anonymity, Uniformly Stating Anonymously.**USA X 3. USA X 3 X the number of words = 36 Absent current 3, 3 X 3 usage sustained by inverting 6 to 9. Final analysis and title for plan to save America."

"the 9-9-9-9 plan."

OK - If there's anything to be learned from The Clown Show, its that Good PR trumps all. No experience? It doesn't matter. No solid position on the important issues of the day? So what!! No consistency? The wet finger test (and not the one in the ear) works every time!! But - Do I like you? You bet it matters!! So, to get you started, here's something from a spiritual numerology website on the meaning of the number 9 as pertains to human qualities.

"You are socially conscious, concerned about the betterment of the world, idealistic, visionary, tolerant, imaginative and creative, compassionate, romantic, selfless and generous. are also giving, sharing, loving, caring, noble and aristocratic. You don't mind sacrificing time, money and energy for a better world. You usually finish what you start and you are ready to sacrifice without the need for reward."

After reading this -- how can I help but vote for you?

roger — February 20, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The bill will be in the mail. No idealism here. There's money to be made in this racket and I want my share.

And good news - Stephen Colbert is back!

roger — February 20, 2012 at 7:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye and Nailingit, I have a response to your discussion on last week's forum for which I was mentioned along with another poster who used to get under my skin. I felt compelled to write this comment for the both of you:

In my own defense...

At the time when "that migraine of a headache" and I would spar...there were personal attacks regarding my relatives which were false, unwarranted and were based on a skewed perception by that person of the words I shared. It caused a personal emotional upheaval with me when I *felt* my concerns of the matter and my written requests with the editor and those who monitored the site appeared never to be reciprocated with action to cease the problem for far too long. I'd go several days without posting just to try to avoid the problem, yet those personal attacks continued for months even when I brought it to the attention of those at the C. I even tried to resort to the worst possible choice I felt I had to have my entire history removed by throwing direct insults to the editor since they couldn't remove me just out of personal request, figuring that if they couldn't remove the trouble-making just eliminate "goldenoldie" from the entire forum by exercising a violation of the terms...and it was to no avail. Lou was extremely patient with me for which I appreciate today...and I'm sure I've given Libby and Matt a run for their money which yet again, I appreciate their patience with me. It was a definite test of character and intestinal fortitude on my part.

You know all too well that I speak my mind and that I write what I perceive as the truth...maybe saying too much for my own good but it's because I am passionate about what I have to say and am compelled to do such. I may not always be correct, but there's always a patient one who reminds me with kind words, let it be from a personal email or in a gentle response on the forum...for which I am thankful. You also know that I believe in my heart of hearts that nothing gets solved when word manipulation is utilized to favor one's personal agenda and it is a constant test of tolerance on my part when that game card is pulled...usually resulting in my absence from the C's forums as I feel that sometimes, not saying anything is better than saying anything at all.

And Nailingit...whether you realize it or not, you helped me when you provided a comment in recent days regarding past posts. So now maybe I can help you and Hawkeye as well as myself a bit by gently urging you to keep those past haunting issues from surfacing again by keeping them in the past. Whaddya say???

goldenoldie — February 20, 2012 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

One more thing....


goldenoldie — February 20, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

In Our View: Follow Federal Law County commissioners correctly decide to protect employees from prosecution

Mang, I know I keep beating this drum, but I am flabbergasted by the County's, City's and now The Columbian's ignorance of the law. Won't somebody please, oh please, read the darned thing?

The portion of said law that speaks of licensing and registering is pointed at dispensaries. Dispensaries were basically vetoed by Governor Gregoire.

Collective gardens (as described in Washington law NOT California) are NOT subject to licensing, zoning etc.

Therefore, the state, county and city should have no involvement other than ensuring the garden(s) is operated within the law. When they're stumbled upon, of course. As there is NO requirement for registration of said garden. Just as there is no requirement for registration of individuals with a doctor's "cannabis recommendation."


Yes, I was yelling -- for naught. No one listens. They all have their heads stuck... under a pillow.

Yeah, time fo another LttE. Like that'll do any good. Sheesh.

Drift — February 20, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The County asked, and DOJ said they could go to jail - for doing just about anything relating to facilitating growth and distribution. I'll take a wild guess and say that failing to arrest a discovered grower just might be construed as facilitating growth. I'd hate to be the County employee who stumbles across a garden and has to decide which laws to follow.

The problem, as I see it, is that Olympia passed a State law OK'ing the gardens, but Gov Gregoire stripped anything that would provide clear guidance. I believe she said she'd leave that to the counties to determine?

roger — February 20, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, the Clark Skamania Task Force, and other law enforcement agencies, run across (state) legal medicinal grows quite frequently. That normally results in a look at the paperwork, a plant count and a "Have a nice day."

In this state (in the world, actually) medicinal cannabis is not legal. What the state has said is, if in a medical professional's opinion, cannabis could be effective in treatment of a patient's malady that is prima facie evedence of a medicinal need defense.

The defendant will be found not guilty by that reason. Arrest them to what end?

What is the diference if several patients pool their resources? You have the equipment, I have the room, John has the expetise...

Again, I will stipulate, the Governor did NOT give municipalities rein over "collective gardens." Dispensaries yes, gardens no. When 5073 became law it was integrated into 69.51a. I've both within easy reach, and I am quite familiar with each. As should be anyone with any interest in that matter, such as councils, commissioners and news papers that care to write opinion pieces.

The moratoriums are illegal. If I had two nickles to rub together I'd end them and educate TPTB in the process.

Ignorance, for the sake of, irritates the heck out of me.

Drift — February 20, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I defer to your knowledge of the laws on this subject.

roger — February 20, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*After reading this -- how can I help but vote for you?*

roger- Thank you for your ardent support. I haven't contacted my campaign manager concerning my latest thought/thoughts/?. In part due to a short attention span and prohibited memory. When I start to initiate som...uhm... ...

..and secondly, In part because my uncertainty could certainly lend opposers of 'personhood poster anonymity' (PPA) anonymous credence (albeit false) which would and could further discrimination against the anonymous anonymously. Which would be bad.

*And thirdly because there is no money.

*The bill will be in the mail. No idealism here. There's money to be made in this racket and I want my share.*

*Then there's that.

*And good news - Stephen Colbert is back!*

That is good news!

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- *In my own defense...*

No need for any defense golenoldie. fiscaltiger was way out of line on many fronts. If elected I will lobby the owner of this newspaper to delete his avatar.

*Whaddya say???*

No problemo. Burnt and ashes spread from the banks of the tigris. Never to rise again!

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I saw a blurb that Iron Maiden would be playing in Vancouver this summer. Wow!!! A great band in concert that has improved with age - so I decided to check the info in hopes of dragging myself to the "safe old folks seats" and enjoying the show.

Its Vancouver BC.

Disheartening. All that work Mayor Pollard did to get us on the map as the Real Vancouver came to nothing. We're still just an insignificant refueling and lunch stop on the road to/from Seattle.

roger — February 20, 2012 at 9:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, when I pull my LttE together (a bit later today) I'll see if I can't include quotes from the applicable law(s). It's tough to do that sort of thing when one is only allowed 200 words.

Hey, Matt, you out there? Let the Editorial Board know I challenge them to show me where in the law it states municipalities have perview over "collective gardens."

Here, I'll help. The section of the law that has been misinterpreted can be found in section 1102 of the original 5073 and section 69.51A.140 of the current law.

Note that each speak to dispensers and dispensaries. The words "collective garden" do not appear in either.

The intent is clear... To me.

Drift — February 20, 2012 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Goldenoldie, I really don't think you have much to worry about. The "candidate" is doing just fine on the FB side and I really don't think he wants to start up over here again. What would be the point, of course that hasn't stopped him before. I promise you that IF he does poke his demented head on this side of the C, I will not let him get to me and I will do all I can to encourage everyone else to put him on "ignore".

nailingit, if you decide to run for office, you better be doing some fund raising since I haven't been paid for the last campaign. Now, I'm not really complaining since the time in Hawaii was fun and I really enjoyed learning all of those rum drinks but I'm still paying off the Visa bill and suspect I will be for quite some time.

hawkeye — February 20, 2012 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And just when it seems our friends south of the Columbia are becoming almost normal ---

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- TriMet is reviewing surveillance video, trying to identify a young woman who carried a machete on a crowded MAX train in Portland... a passenger complained the woman was sharpening the blade and holding the 2-foot-long weapon close to his face... Police are not investigating because there are no victims and no one filed a report.

Keeping it weird!!

roger — February 20, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Maybe we can start our own Nailingit SuperPac?

HEY MATT!!!! (This occasionally gets his attention.) Can you check with Lou and see if we can use this site to raise money for a political candidate? And, even more important, will he send a check?

roger — February 20, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit @ 9:35 a.m.

Thanks. Your recognition of the issue in the past and respecting my wish was appreciated.


Hawkeye @ 9:49 a.m.

Good advice.


Roger @ 9:52 a.m.

You'd think the person would have received a "brandishing a weapon" arrest or citation or something...but then again, we're talking about my old stomping grounds - Portland. Gotta keep it weird, you know. Never mind about the "clothing dress up" competition that was on the news this morning...

goldenoldie — February 20, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey GO, weren't you talking about Monsanto and seeds or something like that the other day. Since I don't really garden, I wasn't paying too much attention but this might be interesting to you and whoever you were talking to.;=BC&topnav;=&cm;_mmc=BCEmail_Feb2011Mailer-_-Banner-_-54-_-MarketingItemName

hawkeye — February 20, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye, I'll tell you honestly...I did a little investigative work on the seeds...and couldn't find very much opposition to the selection. I did read one review which said the seeds didn't produce much return, although that could have been due to the weather issues or lack of experience in growing the veggies. It has a great list of produce to grow but I'm afraid some will have troubles germinating the seeds unless they have one of those heated contraptions for certain vegetables. All in all, it's a pretty good price for what you get. I hope they come out with something similar in the way of herb seeds. I noticed there were no chives or garlic on the list.

Another important fact is that sometimes, if you utilize the same "type" of vegetable seeds over and over again, it is possible that the seed type will produce a less favorable return. It's always good to have a variety of lettuce, spinach and other veggies. I did notice a couple of lettuce varieties mentioned, so that's good.

My other concern is...the length of the growing season needed for each vegetable type. In the Pacific Northwest...Vancouver (and Battleground for instance), it is best to produce shorter seasoned crops like Siletz Tomatoes.

I hope this helps the growers out there to get a better perspective for what they are buying. Thanks, Hawk

goldenoldie — February 20, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle — February 20, 2012 at 1:36 p.m. --- "looks like we're gonna get to see what would have happened if kennedy hadn't won the cuban missle crisis... i need a break from all this. i've already gone through the 'duck and cover (and kiss your ass goodbye)' tensions...."

Dee, you bring back a fond memory of my early education in challenging authority. I forget what grade (3rd or 4th, I think). I just remember it was in VA somewhere near DC. I already hated the school because they required us to take cod liver oil capsules - I detest fish to this day because of that torture. So when they started these stupid drills where they set off the school alarms and we had to get under our desks - that was just too much. My father was a history junkie, so I'd seen plenty of photos of the destruction at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So I pointed out the uselessness of what we were doing, describing in great detail the widespread destruction we would face if the evil Russians shot these missiles at us. A few of my classmates were crying after a couple of moments of this, and my teacher sent me to the principal's office because I was a bad influence or something. And then the phone call home. In those days, the school principal was ALWAYS right, so I was in fear for my own life by the time my father got home. But I managed to get the story out, and he let me off with a stern warning - don't tell stupid people the truth about stuff like this.

roger — February 20, 2012 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Roger,
I also read Dee's comment but now it seems gone... just me or what? She did not say anything bad in it at all so i doubt they deleted her.

luvithere — February 20, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i was about the same age as you at that time.

even though i was single-digits old, i had a fully functioning brain, and i watched the nightly news.

after seeing the detonation of the hiroshima bomb, it was obvious to even a little kid that, if the initial shock wave didn't kill me, radiation poisoning *would.*

but my government told me to 'duck and cover' with that cute little advertising jingle.

that was about the time i became....*"proactive"*

DeeLittle — February 20, 2012 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Strange that your post would disappear - I say worse and get away with it.

Maybe someone is filling in for Matt? He usually responds when I "yell" at him (9:57 a.m.).

Who knows. Let's see if you disappear again. I've had a couple of postings act squirrelly today.

roger — February 20, 2012 at 4:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee, I removed the post(s) for swearing.

And Roger, I don't know about using this site to raise money for a candidate. How would you do that?

And I don't think Lou would send a check. But you'd have to ask him. :-)


Matt Wastradowski — February 20, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk @ 9:49- *I'm not really complaining since the time in Hawaii was fun and I really enjoyed learning all of those rum drinks*

It was great wasn't it? I was still getting flak from petitioners opposing a certain someone's hawkish proposal to have a clothes optional workplace. I opted to give a few staffers an early out with severance pay to avoid litigation. The details have been kept confidential and as always...the names were changed to protect the innocent. What happens in Hawaii, stays in Hawaii.

Although it was costly, I'm hoping to keep your share/liabilty of the settlement down. Auditor's are expected to wrap it up by weeks end. I heard they're working up a pretty hefty bar tab.

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 9:57- Your Pro-American Pro-activism is a great example of American Patriotism, and is superseded only by your judgement.

Perhaps the check idea should be refined.

Matt- Cashier's checks and cash only.

*raise money for a candidate. How would you do that?*

I'd sure like to deal you in on a poker game. :)

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

1swear verb \ˈswer\

Definition of SWEAR

transitive verb
: to utter or take solemnly (an oath)
a : to assert as true or promise under oath
b : to assert or promise emphatically or earnestly

a : to put to an oath : administer an oath to
b : to bind by an oath

obsolete : to invoke the name of (a sacred being) in an oath
: to bring into a specified state by swearing

intransitive verb
: to take an oath
: to use profane or obscene language : curse
— swear·er noun
— swear by
: to place great confidence in
— swear for
: to give assurance for : guarantee
— swear off
: to vow to abstain from : renounce
See swear defined for English-language learners »
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Examples of SWEAR

He swore revenge on the killers.
I swear to God, I'll kill him if he comes back.
Don't swear in front of the children.
I do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth.
Origin of SWEAR

Middle English sweren, from Old English swerian; akin to Old High German swerien to swear and perhaps to Old Church Slavic svarŭ quarrel
First Known Use: before 12th century
Related to SWEAR

Synonyms: blaspheme, curse, cuss
Rhymes with SWEAR

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Censorship and the reasons why. In the Columbian, of course! Dee, I removed the post(s) for **swearing**.

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I was still getting flak from petitioners opposing a certain someone's hawkish proposal to have a clothes optional workplace

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.

Ya, well I wasn't the one dancing on the bar in a G-string with a pink ukelele singing tiny bubbles. At least I don't think it was me.

hawkeye — February 20, 2012 at 5:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey guys, I think I figured out why some of our old friends haven't been by lately (kimmy comes to mind), it's the captcha thing, he can't figure it out.

hawkeye — February 20, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just highlighting the "important" parts. Trying to cop a feel as to 'the how' a Fox News "journalist" would offer his/her take. If Romney was running as a Democrat!

**Latino** Mormons Speak Out Against **Mitt Romney**

**Garcia said it is estimated that nearly 70 percent of** Latino **Mormons are undocumented immigrants.** He said **the church has responded by hiring members whose sole jobs are to transport some Latino missionaries from state to state because they can't fly due to their immigration status.**

**And last year, at least two Spanish-speaking LDS branch presidents were arrested and deported,** highlighting the plight of immigrants within the faith.

Packard said those high profile deportations and the influx of new Hispanic members within the church helped with the recent passage of **immigration bills in Utah** that included an enforcement law modeled on Arizona's but balanced by a program that **allows undocumented immigrants to work** and pay taxes in Utah if they **register with the state.**

**Packard said she also was motivated to travel to Phoenix to campaign against the recently defeated former Arizona Sen. Russell Pearce, who authored Arizona's much debated immigration law.** She and others also have helped organized other Latino Republicans to speak out against Romney.

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

With the last paragraph @ 5:56. Is the Romney campaign causing an influx of illegal immigration? News on Fox!

hawk- *At least I don't think it was me.*

Careful, I've looked at the club's security video footage. Trust me. You're getting a bargain!

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'd like to give a shout out to the extremist right for unveiling a small portion of their radical social agenda they wish to put in place. You've awoken a sleeping giant.

Remember- life begins at ejaculation.

**Birth Control-Centered Gender War Boosts Democratic Campaigns**

"We added over 60,000 members in the last couple weeks," McIntosh told The Huffington Post Friday. "We had over 30,000 petition signers just yesterday for a petition about the birth control mandate, which is unusual. We have raised more money for candidates at this point in the cycle than ever before, and we've definite seen an uptick in also how active these folks are."

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), who chairs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, sent a fundraising email and petition drive out to DSCC supporters urging them to oppose both the Blunt amendment and the "aspirin agenda." A petition about the "aspirin agenda" collected over 65,000 signatures in one day. A similar "Where are the women?" petition circulated by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has collected over 250,000 signatures since it went out late Thursday night.

The women in office are on the front lines in this fight. Women like [Sen.] Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and [Sen.] Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) are standing up to the right, and everybody wants to send them more reinforcements."

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 8:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**How is Virginia's "transvaginal ultrasound" anti-abortion bill not rape-by-instruments?**

[This bill will require many women in Virginia to undergo vaginal penetration with an ultrasound probe against their consent in order to **exercise their constitutional right to an abortion,** even for nonsurgical, noninvasive, pharmaceutical abortions.]

Rape by Instrumentation
Rape by instrumentation is an act of forced sexual aggression against an individual that does not involve sexual intercourse.

Specifically, it is:
"an act within or without the bonds of matrimony, in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body ... not amounting to sexual intercourse, is used in the carnal knowledge of another person, without his or her consent and penetration of the anus or vagina occurs to that person."

"Instrument Rape Republicans. Rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?"

nailingit — February 20, 2012 at 9:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BRUSSELS (AP) -- After more than 12 hours of talks, the countries that use the euro reached an agreement early Tuesday to hand Greece euro130 billion ($170 billion) in additional bailout loans to save it from a potentially disastrous default next month.

The deal is expected to bring Greece's debt down to 120.5 percent of gross domestic product by 2020 — that's around the maximum that the International Monetary Fund and the eurozone consider sustainable.

***It's a start!***

hawkeye — February 20, 2012 at 10:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye and nailingit,

Sorry, but I'm now in possession of the tapes from that wild night at Lulu's Surf Club. FYI, I'm friends with a "gentleman" who's related to half of Honolulu PD.

I'll be getting back shortly with what I expect of your candidacy. I do prefer a "middle of the road" candidate - one not beholden to a political ideology - so I'm inviting Goldie to drop by and help balance the radical tendencies of many on the steering committee.

HEY MATT!!! Kindly let Lou know we're looking for large donations. Kind of like the guy backing Newtie. Chasing down nickels and dimes from the common folk is so bothersome.

roger — February 21, 2012 at 5:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

" I'm inviting Goldie to drop by and help balance the radical tendencies of many on the steering committee."

Really Roger??? Sounds like a tall order these days, lol.

goldenoldie — February 21, 2012 at 7:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Lou Brancaccio:

I just wanted to say I enjoyed reading your Press Talk column this week which reminds the readers of the dedication and hard work given by your crew whether your critics like or dislike what they read. Sometimes, I think people expect you to have your Superman cape handy in order to perform miracles at a moment's notice.

A reminder to all...

"You can please some of the people all of the can please all of the people some of the time...but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

goldenoldie — February 21, 2012 at 7:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


That was Lulu's? You have the video? I guess I can't argue with the video, even though I haven't seen it and the memory of that week is very fuzzy as was my tongue for the month after. (I'm just glad you didn't get any video from the Bay Beach Club) Also, I would be careful, if I were you, of that "gentleman" that you got the video from, she's no lady!

hawkeye — February 21, 2012 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hello Basement dwellers:
Did any of you stay up late enough last night to watch the OPB broadcast of bill Clinton acent to the white house and his first term in the White House. It was very informative and educational. Too bad we really didn’t have all the technology we have now like the internet and such. His actions “infidelity” with over 50 woman wouldn’t have gone over well with todays voters. I believe the second part is tonight from 9pm to 11pm. They talk with many of his staffers and paint a very accurate picture of him as a man and as the president…

vanwadreamer — February 21, 2012 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


No knowledge of your escapades at the Bay Beach Club. My source tells me that after being "invited" to leave Lulu's, your crowd moved to Femme Nu. It seems there was an incident involving one of your party repeatedly proposing marriage to the young Filipina who bartends there, so you were all shown the door about an hour after arrival. From there you moved to Exotic Nights. He says what happens there is rarely discussed outside; I gather they pay well to maintain their privacy. However, the night your crowd visited was apparently quite memorable - I'm glad you mentioned the pink ukelele, because it has a position of "honor" above the bar there.

roger — February 21, 2012 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, I know - it will be difficult. But the campaign needs a respectable face. Kind of like G Dub had General Powell - he never really took his advice, but we all felt better because we trusted the good General to provide adult supervision.

We'll probably need to take the PT Barnum variation of your quote to Lou and start working on fooling all of the people all of the time.

roger — February 21, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Two observations from the facebook side.

Liberal Democrats all seem to claim to be activists. I'm not sure this is a good thing, especially for a political candidate - it gives me the message they spend most of their time with a narrow focus.

That Kim Kendall person appears to have some real issues. For starters, he accuses everyone he disagrees with of having a "gay agenda." I wonder....

roger — February 21, 2012 at 12:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Up front - I'm not challenging your authority, or your responsibility to keep the many forums at The Columbian under control. Its a hard job - not one that I'd want to do!

I am a bit conflicted over your decision to delete Dee Little's comments yesterday - where she said that in the event of a nuclear attack she'd bend over and kiss her ### goodbye. To me, this is more a euphemism than actual profanity.

There is some historical precedence. Rhett's "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." was deemed profanity when the movie was released in '39. Times changed - quickly - and the movie became an all time classic. In the '60's, our word in question was included on Lenny Bruce's list of 9 words he couldn't say. But it was dropped from the list George Carlin had in '72. Granted, these are comedians and from their routines, but they actually ended up in a Supreme Court ruling (FCC v. Pacifica Foundation) in '78. The Court got all wrapped around the difference between obscenity and indecency, and opted for the latter. Which is why we hear all the swearing, etc, on TV and elsewhere these days. In fact, Stephen Colbert used it 3 times in his hilarious routine about Romney and Santorum last night - the only offense I could see being taken of his remarks would be by Fox News commentators and a couple of AM radio hosts.

I was going to mention Jesus riding the ### into Jerusalem, but a review of the Gospels turned up that they couldn't make up their minds whether it was a colt or an ###, and I didn't want to pursue where that tangential argument led. I will say I learned it as riding a white ###, but googling that phrase brought up websites that have nothing to do with the 4-legged variation, so....

In closing, my wife used to call me a horse's ### for my habit of making these kinds of arguments. And she was not prone to swearing or otherwise making inappropriate comments.

So - please reconsider your position with Dee Little's comment.

Thank you.

roger — February 21, 2012 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I tried to make my point the other day with Matt that if you can say it on broadcast TV, it should be OK here but he said he doesn't care what rules anyone else has, the "C" has their own. However, I tend to agree with your point.

I'm watching "Modern Marvels" on brewing right now, does anyone else think the guy that owns Samuel Adams brewery has been sampling a little too much product?

hawkeye — February 21, 2012 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Again, Wisconsin politics on the Hill. Doesn't this bother you right wingers? Independents?

Main stream media should be jumping all over this. It's interesting that some of the women that post here haven't addressed the women's issues that have been at the forefront as of late. I don't understand it. But then there is a lot I don't understand, to include why any woman would want/allow/advocate government to enact laws, laws mind you, forcing a woman to undergo unnecessary invasive procedures which serve zero purpose but to humiliate. It's just as hard to understand why many keep silent. Right left or center ladies, Republicans want to control you.

And yes, this is a partisan issue.

**Dems: GOP won’t let us televise contraception hearing**

Pelosi’s office said this event is the first in which the studio has not covered a hearing or told Democrats that it couldn’t because of other commitments.

Read more:

nailingit — February 21, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

That Kim Kendall person appears to have some real issues. For starters, he accuses everyone he disagrees with of having a "gay agenda." I wonder....

roger — February 21, 2012 at 12:58 p.m

And =POOF= he was gone.

hawkeye — February 21, 2012 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger @ 12:48 pm...

Lah-dah-dah-duh-dah-duh-dah-duh-dah--duh...!!! (I thinking of the circus song running through my brain right now).

Now we ALL is like a circus these days! There's always something new that surprises me. It just might not have the same impact as a circus act.

goldenoldie — February 21, 2012 at 3:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And now he's back.

OK, Matt, what's going on?

hawkeye — February 21, 2012 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A circus act, perhaps???

goldenoldie — February 21, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye, when I looked, Kim was always there. I never saw where his posts or account disappeared.


Matt Wastradowski — February 21, 2012 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*And =POOF= he was gone.* It's okay hawk. Crap like that happens to me all the time. :)

**Keystone XL Would Raise Gas Prices, Not Lower Them**

This is point worth repeating again and again. Fox News is already revving up its outrage machine over gas prices, and aiming it directly at the White House. If gas is over $4 per gallon through most of the summer, we’ll be hearing “Keystone” on the stump almost every day.

nailingit — February 21, 2012 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Do we have enough talent to go big time with 3 rings? I mean, we obviously have the clowns, but what else? And there was nothing lamer than those tiny little one tent no name traveling circuses from back in the day. The ones with the toothless fleabitten tiger, the one-tusked elephant, and the 3 trained dogs. We go first class or we don't go at all!!

roger — February 21, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 21, 2012 at 3:13 p.m

First off nailingit, the Republican do not control me nor do the Democrats. Not even my husband controls me. I control myself.

Second, what you males and most democrats fail to know, be it cause you do not do your homework, or..
But a woman, if she can not afford birth control has the choice to go to a Planned Parenthood and get birth control for free or even to the health depts free clinic. Both even have a sliding scale for those who have a job and can afford to pay for far less.

To me this is just another ploy by the democrats to try and rack up election points.

ELISI — February 21, 2012 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 21, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.,

The problem is, people are thinking more crude to the refinery = more fuel at the pump.

Keystone is about moving dirty crude from Canada to Texas to refine to diesel. Its about moving cleaner crude from Oklahoma storage facilities to mix with the Canadian crude.

The current Keystone pipeline (phase 1 and 2) already goes from Canada to refineries in Illinois. It isn't running anywhere near peak capacity.

The deal is - there isn't a real shortage - its an artificial one. The oil companies are holding out because they know that sooner or later they'll get the pipelines to Port Arthur built, and from the refineries there they can ship their product around the world - untaxed by the US gov't.

Right now, this is a Dem vs. Repub "jobs" fight - one that I hope stays focused right where it is now. If it moves past there - meaning The Pres caves and authorizes construction - then no one will care about gas pump prices, and we'll see a lot higher than $4-5 per gallon.

roger — February 21, 2012 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yep, Kim Kendall is still out there. Someone has accused him of being a "sock puppet" account for Lew Waters, and is yelling at Lew.

I can't agree - Lew is just a wee bit opinionated, but he tends to rely on his argument skills and wit. I've "seen" him the subject of some pretty nasty attacks, and he usually stays quite cool.

KK, on the other hand, attacks for little or no reason. He hates having anyone question him, and instantly goes nasty. And I'm finding his logic is frequently difficult to follow.

As near as I can tell, Lew's idea of insulting someone is to say they spout the silliness of the Occupy movement. KK, as noted before, likes to accuse people of having a gay agenda.


But you know who's been missing for some time now? The rabid one. Wonder where she vanished to?

roger — February 21, 2012 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*I've "seen" him the subject of some pretty nasty attacks, and he usually stays quite cool.*

Ahhh, the days of Lewtrail. roger, lew came unglued many times when we were above ground. Back when the Columbian thought anonymous posters should have an equal voice. It's not so much nasty attacks that cause hard core ideologues to froth at the mouth, it's when they're confronted with common sense, truth and their own hypocrisy.

Lew's bite could stand much better denture adhesive, while his bark is nothing but a mating call for his knowledge deficient lemmings.

And how I really feel is...:)

Where the heck is Basil anyway?

nailingit — February 21, 2012 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks for sharing your knowledge base elisi. :)

nailingit — February 21, 2012 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Obama Holds Lead Against Republican Opponents, Santorum Rises In GOP Primary: AP Poll**

There was good news for Republicans, too: Any of the four Republican candidates would likely top Obama among those **age 65 and over**, as well as among **whites without college degrees.**

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A mid-February Gallup study shows that unemployment is back up to 9%.

Ask big government Obamanomics working???

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.

More likely the lack of jobs programs being put through congress. Or, it could be just a plateau in the recovery, or maybe a reaction to fuel prices or it could be instability in the market, or a reaction to Greece.

But yes, ELISI, lets just blame it all on Obama.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 9:16 a.m

Notice I use the word "**Obamanomics**" for me that places the blame from the TOP DOWN. Cause without his cabinet's advice...well you know the answer..

Obama takes first place in the blame cause he is the president, but also know the blame trickles down to all those who serve under him! From his cabinet to the senate to congress to governors and mayors! Therefore it's "Obamanomics"

This isn't JUST one party's problem it's all parties, all states, all country problem. So stop playing the Obama/race/party card when you hear someone criticize whats going on they don't agree with. I have heard enough "Reaganomics to Bushnomics" in the past to choke a goat so whats the big deal with Obama? Oh, thats right, I forgot, it's ok for D's to demean a R president but heaven help us all if anyone not a D criticizes a D president...make me puke.

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 10:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 10:04 a.m

Sorry, I've been corrected. No matter what the problem, no matter who is at fault, no matter what the cause or who or what is responsible, **according to you**, it's "Obamanomics". Is that right?

So if it's the fault of the earthquake in Japan, or the instability of the Euro, it's "Obamanomics"?

OK, good to know.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 10:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

So if it's the fault of the earthquake in Japan, or the instability of the Euro, it's "Obamanomics"?

OK, good to know.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 10:15 a.m

Typical response..

Oh but it was Bush's fault for Katrina huh? Oh I blame him for the response in handling the whole disaster but did he cause Katrina? NO!
9/11 was Bush's fault too huh? I blame them ALL for not checking into the intelligence they had and prepare..but did Bush actually have 9/11 take place? No! Did he do his duty the best he knew how from his advisories in response to 9/11? Yes!

Did Obama cause the earthquake and tsunami in Japan? No!
Did Obama cause the fall of the Euro? No!
Those like Bush were out of his control. How Obama handles what came after is in his control. He, like all presidents before him lean on their advisers, that is where the "nomics" come into play. But the final decision how he reacts and actions he takes is ultimately his.

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*This isn't JUST one party's problem it's all parties, all states, all country problem. So stop playing the Obama/race/party card when you hear someone criticize whats going on they don't agree with.*'s not important to understand why a problem exists.

*I have heard enough "Reaganomics to Bushnomics" in the past to choke a goat*

It's one thing to hear something, it's another to understand.

*...make me puke.*

Quite a visceral reaction. Turn off the boob tube for awhile. I know when I watch the garbage on Fox News spews out, it makes me want to puke also.

Do people really believe the President flips a switch and determines gas prices? Well, some do.

**Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas**

"Under President Bachmann you will see gasoline come down below $2 a gallon again," Bachmann told a crowd Tuesday in South Carolina. "That will happen."

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***A mid-February Gallup study shows that unemployment is back up to 9%.***

Yup, up .7% from December. Let's see, what has happened since then.

Well, Christmas is over, companies probably let all the Christmas help go. (Blame that on Obama, or maybe he should create another holiday) Gas prices are up because of tensions in Iran and they have stopped selling oil to some European countries. (Blame that on Obama because Iran wants to build their own bomb) Of course, it's just a month and a half and the same thing happened last year at .4% , so lets just jump to conclusions and burn the country down.

And by the way ELISI, you never heard me blame ANY President for natural disasters.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Did he do his duty the best he knew how from his advisories in response to 9/11? Yes!*

Invading, bombing, and occupying a country that had nothing to do with 911. Thousands of American soldiers lost, tens of thousands maimed for life. Well over a hundred thousand innocent Iraqi men women and children killed, generations of people wiped off the face of the earth. Close to 2 trillion dollars spent contributing greatly to our recession. Allowing Bin Laden to escape retribution in Tora Bora. Just to name a few.

Definitely an **OMG** moment, and not one to lay at the Dems doorstep.

Sometimes I envy conservatives. Life is so..simple.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Turn on the light and the cockroaches scatter. This is one time media coverage is making a difference.

**GOP Governor Caves On Outrageous Ultrasound Bill**

"A lot of rumors are floating around this building that the Republicans are trying desperately to find some way out of this Pandora's box,"

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just blame the devil! I think there's more than one reason Jesus exhorted his followers to stay the hell out of be in this world and not of it. But I have to think some are smarter than this conservative.

Just ask Santorum!

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 10:55 a.m

**ALL** media anymore make want to puke, that is why I seldom ever watch or listen the news.

Oh and I understand more than you'll ever know.

The gas price deal??? Now THATS funny! $2.00 a gal...hmmm right when the Easter bunny comes and actually hides eggs.

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**ROGER** .... *"am a bit conflicted over your decision to delete Dee Little's comments yesterday - ..."*

i must thank you for coming to my defense; such chivalrous behavior is rare today.

it just happens that i lived on a farm. being not well-off, we had little monies for things like tractors, but we were able to provide for my beloved ass. some of my best memories are times when my ass rescued me, such as when foolishly jumping into the river without knowing how strong the current was. being a headstrong young lady, i must thank my lucky ass for many rescues.

and what young lady would not take every opportunity to dress up her ass to show around town? being rather poor, i sewed clothes for my ass when i could afford to, and have many fond memories of these activities.

yes, i could go on and on, but i won't belabor the issue.

again, thank you for your kind words.


DeeLittle — February 22, 2012 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*ALL media anymore make want to puke, that is why I seldom ever watch or listen the news.*

Now that explains a few things.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

1class noun, often attributive \ˈklas\

Definition of CLASS

a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject
b : the period during which such a body meets
c : a course of instruction
d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation is the same
a : a group sharing the same economic or social status
b : social rank; especially : high social rank
c : high quality : elegance
: a group, set, or kind sharing common attributes: as
a : a major category in biological taxonomy ranking above the order and below the phylum or division
b : a collection of adjacent and discrete or continuous values of a random variable
c : set 21
: a division or rating based on grade or quality
: the best of its kind

: a data type in object-oriented programming that consists of a group of objects with the same properties and behaviors and that is arranged in a hierarchy with other such data types — compare object
See class defined for English-language learners »
See class defined for kids »
Examples of CLASS

There are 20 students in the class.
Several people in the class are absent today.
This class is really difficult.
He will be teaching an American history class next semester.
The college offers classes in computer programming and engineering.
She is taking a class on psychology.
What classes are you taking this semester?
I have an English class this morning.
My class got out early today.
I have already missed two classes.
Origin of CLASS

French classe, from Latin classis group called to military service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at low
First Known Use: 1602
Related to CLASS

Synonyms: caste, estate, folk, gentry, order, stratum
Antonyms: gracelessness, inelegance
Other Education Terms

baccalaureate, colloquium, corequisite, dissertation, monograph, pedant, practicum, survey course, thesis
Rhymes with CLASS

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Learn More About CLASS

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nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

As for your update on who would vote for whom @7:56am. How about the people that think they know the candidates but really don't... There called the semi educated ones. Was watching an interesting interview of several voters when they were asked questions about certain candidates which were actually set up questions they answered yes thats why I'm voting for Obama.. Which in reality they were not his views but Romney's.. I call this the whole miss information age... Lets just put it out there like it is...

Did you get to see the Clinton years on OPB... Very interesting I found that Obama stole Clintons whole campain mantra for President... Hope and Change... Clinton used that to beat Bush 1.. He can't even take credit for that , but I bet he would blame it on Bush 1...LOL

vanwadreamer — February 22, 2012 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Wow...interesting discussion today!!! Somehow, thoughts of my time this morning, holding my beautiful brand new granddaughter who entered the world today take priority for me. Funny how our thoughts and priorities can take on a whole new meaning.

goldenoldie — February 22, 2012 at 2:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Was watching an interesting interview*

Which one? Let me guess the source.....:))

*Did you get to see the Clinton years on OPB...*

No. Was it the same "special" that cited Clinton's 50 girlfriends? :)

*I found that Obama stole Clintons whole campain mantra for President... Hope and Change*

Every President makes this promise. "It's the economy stupid" was the mantra Clinton was most noted for.


**Study: Fox News Viewers “Most Misinformed” Of All News Consumers (Updated)**

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

These yo-yo's grow up, then end up serving in Congress. :))

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This bagger is taking on the Girl Scouts! It's about time! Everyone knows how wicked and evil they are! :)) :))) I'm starting to think the 2010 baggers are actually Dems making the the GOP just look foolish. It's hard to believe idiots like this get elected. Then I reflect back to 2008 and Sarah Pal...anyway...

Watch this movement grow to Becktonian proportions!

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.

Typical response of a reporter to try and muddy the tell us..which one are you? I have my guess..

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

elisi- Your posts are quite incoherent today. With words left out, rage, trumped up ego...more than usual. And this last one. Whatever are you trying to say?

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 3:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Whatever you meant, truth telling is not "muddying the waters". People with your mindset who refuse to hold political leaders responsible for their reprehensible actions, then throw em' all in a pool and say it's everyone's fault...:)) That, is muddying the waters!

But seeing how the news makes your tummy sour, I can understand.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh noooooo, and I just bought Girl Scout cookies. Am I going to go to Republican't hell? The cookies IS good, now I'm hooked on Planned Parenthood. Thanks Bob Morris for helping me out.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nice choice of words "STUPID".. I guess that comes with your many vast years of education and life's experiences...Guess the "huff" must not be very interesting today or we would have had 30 blurbs from you that you cut and pasted to the basement to egamacate us about how the Conservatives will be stealing Christmas this year.... People like you are known as Boogers... No use even thinking one could have a civil conversation with you, but like my Pappy once told , no use knockin your head against the wall unless your looking for a headache..Peace out Nail...

vanwadreamer — February 22, 2012 at 3:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh I am so laughing nailingit...

Thanks for the laughs! Now real life is know wife duties.

Time to set the oven for apple stuffing, stuffed chicken breast..have a great evening with your family nailingit, I know I will.

ELISI — February 22, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Nice choice of words "STUPID"..*...not to be redundant...

yesterday @ 9:36 It's not so much nasty attacks that cause hard core ideologues to froth at the mouth, it's when they're confronted with common sense, truth and their own hypocrisy.

*People like you are known as Boogers...* (had to look this one up)

boog·er noun \ˈbu̇-gər, ˈbü-\

Definition of BOOGER

: bogeyman
: a piece of dried nasal mucus
See booger defined for English-language learners »
Origin of BOOGER

alteration of English dialect buggard, boggart, from 1bug + -ard
First Known Use: 1866
Rhymes with BOOGER

bugger, sugar

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What made you want to look up booger? Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). (a) A conservative/backwards republican referred to me as one. (b) The Columbian, of course! *People like you are known as Boogers...*

You should have listened to Pappy!

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm thinking vanwa is wearing her "crankypants" today. Happy Wednesday, van.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good to see you're feeling well.

I was thinking of expanding my previous post to include that back in the day, when we were in our 20's, my wife liked me to tell her what a fine ### she had. And once in a while she'd let me play with her ###. But I decided that might be taking things too far, and I didn't want Matt to feel obliged to delete my ###.

roger — February 22, 2012 at 6:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.,

Interesting that he and his wife pulled their daughters out of the Girl Scouts YESTERDAY because of HIS beliefs (that they promote all that stuff). He must of had one hell of a revelation to learn how evil they were all in one brief point in time.

Well, I don't have girls, but I'll continue to support them by paying outrageous prices for those fantastically delicious chocolate mint cookies and the coconut ones. If I can help, even in this small a fashion, steer a young lady toward living a productive life instead of brawling on the MAX and swinging machetes around, I'm all for it.

I wonder if Bobo is down on the Boy Scouts too?

roger — February 22, 2012 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK - I'm missing something here. I complimented Lew Waters yesterday, and you replied with your feelings on that at 9:36 p.m. How did this progress to picking boogers and flinging them all over the Basement an hour or so ago?

I can see you're having a difference of opinion with elisi and vanwadreamer today. I hope you weren't threatening to wipe boogers on either of them.

We are sinking to new lows here. I suspect Sir Basil and frobert want nothing to do with these sorts of conversations.

roger — February 22, 2012 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger, I still maintain that the ones that aren't showing their faces these days are just confused by the "captcha".

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What year is this? 2012? Or 1812?
I suspect that due to the Mayan calendar thingy of 12 12 2012 or whatever that date is, we are actually going backwards in time. Yes! That's it. I have figured it all out!
Tis is the truth about the Mayan Day of destruction - time will go backwards. My proof? The Republican candidates who are spending all their time discussing getting rid of women's rights, dreaming of the oh so wonderful 50s and the oh so idyllic life back then when real men were real men, thinking Satan is real, and all the Americans who seem to actually also believe the horned lil devil is a real figure(see latest polls).
Ergo my belief it is now 1812. At the rate we are going (downhill) in our intelligence in this country, we should be arriving in Spanish inquisition time shortly.
This is no longer Obamanomics, we must stop blaming him for all of it - the devil made me do it.
Really? Really, people? And you wonder why the rest of the civilized world shakes their collective heads over our politics and thinking?

luvithere — February 22, 2012 at 6:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — February 22, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.,
"At the rate we are going (downhill) in our intelligence in this country, we should be arriving in Spanish inquisition time shortly."

What? Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

roger — February 22, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger - LOL.
Monty would have a field day with this slew of candidates. All they are good for is satire.

luvithere — February 22, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit- Great post! It is amazing! Great Mayan analogy, it could explain much.

This election, and the Republican nominees that are vying for the Presidential bid has been in the making for over 35-40 years. It's good that as a country we are having these conversations, and that the Republican base are exposing themselves for who they are and what they believe, although embarrassing the country, to the world. They usually wait till they're elected to enact their subversive policies. It was a coordinated effort in 2010. They didn't speak to these issues and many more when they were running for office. They duped the independents with a "throw all the bums out" message that didn't require thought or principle. Just vote against a Dem no matter what. And it worked.

If Mitt Romney was a self-professed evangelical Christian, his nomination would have been locked up long ago. But he's a Mormon. And any good ol' evangelical will tell you that Mitt's religion is of the devil, and evangelical's are privy to the only path to God. Of course Mormons believe they are privy to the only pathway to God, and go so far as to pray for dead people to save them and bring them into this "revelation."

Praying for the dead. Talk about upmanship! No wonder evangelicals are pissed at them!

What I find most disturbing, is that these same people are so F'ed up in the head, they claim their beliefs and prejudices are centered in the Constitution of the United States.

The conversation for the ensuing months should be more than interesting!

I guess all we can do is pray for them. Pray they won't be able to continue to prey on us.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 8 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, I really think they are pandering to lowest common IQ, uh, denominator, but they also believe their own words. I am just amazed that in this day and age people actually expect to discuss religious beliefs of candidates. Aber auch nur in Amerika! One would hope this kind of nonsense qualification went the way, well, of the Spanish Inquisition.

luvithere — February 22, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Great video!

*How did this progress to picking boogers and flinging them all over the Basement an hour or so ago?*

I'm not absolutely sure, but it must have involved the Clinton mantra clarification.

*I hope you weren't threatening to wipe boogers on either of them.*

No. Not once! There does seem to be a common thought for vanwa and elisi to address incidents involving secretion. Maybe they've been listening to Santorum too much.

Who doesn't like their beer frothy? But that's where I more than draw the line.

*We are sinking to new lows here.*

Pretty soon "basement" won't be acceptable. When you're in the basement digging holes what do you call it? 2012 Republicanism.

They dig deep enough they might find out if Hell really exists. Most likely they would end up in GOP HQ-China.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- *I'm thinking vanwa is wearing her "crankypants" today. Happy Wednesday, van.*

I think vanwa said he/she is a dude! I used to think female also, but I think one time he/she corrected me. Not sure.

What is it vanwa? No judgement. The basement accepts you, regardless, as we are gender indifferent, and racially tolerant. (there was a time I thought you were a Hispanic woman)

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Don't forget the adjective "civil", too! :)

You know what I have been thinking as I watch various states pass repressive laws that marginalize women and minorities? Maybe WA will benefit from the brain drain there. There is gonna be such a mass exodus of creative, divergent thinkers from Virginia and Wisconsin and Arizona and Indiana and NJ and.....

They will go elsewhere and I hope some of them land next door to me.

manthou — February 22, 2012 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*nailingit: Don't forget the adjective "civil", too! :)*

How is that possible? :) Although I think some place "war" after civil!

OMG! I'm watching the repeat of tonight's debate and Romney just accused Santorum of starting Obamacare! LOL! These guys are wacky!

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 9:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- If this right wing assault on individual freedoms and women's health care doesn't stop, there might not be anyplace to run to. I never imagined people having to pull up stakes because the local Government is so radical they're left with little choice. I'm sure it's coming to that for many. The ones that can't afford to leave, for many reasons, which would be most, need to vote these repressive bums out of office.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**John McGee, Idaho State Senator, Resigns Amid Sexual Harassment Allegations**

The 39-year-old pleaded guilty to drunken driving in a deal that erased accompanying auto theft charges in that case. McGee served jail time and paid restitution for a stranger's vehicle that he damaged.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 9:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Birth Control Debate: New Hampshire Lawmaker Proposes Repeal of 'Obsolete And Outdated' Law GOP Lawmaker Proposes 'Nightmare Bill'**

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 9:04 p.m


I thought Romney started it in his home state before Obama. He should be tacking credit for that on his own. Slacker!

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- The vid is already out!

And the funny thing is, both Santorum and Romney realize "Obamacare" by and large is a good thing for the consumer. Hell it was patterned after Romney's plan. It's the uninformed lemmings that make it both a hoot and scary at the same time. These guys vote.

Republican logic! Go figure!

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nail, good for the consumer- good for the country. Sounds like a win-win.

hawkeye — February 22, 2012 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

comments @ 55 sec blaming Santorum. You just can't make this stuff up!

Newt accused our President of committing infanticide, and called him the most dangerous President in history on National Security. Just one complete joke. They are talking about it on CNN right now. David Gergen is praising Obama on National Security. (WOW) Even Gergen, as well as many Republican leaders understand these guys are nothing but a joke.

This is shaping up to be a landslide election. And the republicans will have no one to blame but themselves. I love it.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- I've been following politics for a few years now. I can't remember a time when Congress refused/obstructed/filibustered a president from passing any part of his agenda. It used to be when the American people elected a president, it also meant that Congress would respect the will of the people. Democracy.

luvit's post at 6:43 nailed it. To take a positive from 2010, I hope many have learned a lesson.

It can be worse. Much worse. Twice as worse. Three times worser than Pearl Harbor Day, and 5 X 911 X Ann Arbor Day. It could be...


There is extreme right wing thought about hastening Armageddon. Before this circus comes to a close, we'll know much more about his fringe beliefs and those he follows.

The churches these guys spend time in? Make Jeremiah Wright look more than reasonable.

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...*more about his fringe beliefs*...

Should have been "more about their fringe beliefs" meaning Santorum/Romney

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 11:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 22, 2012 at 10:35 p.m. --
This is shaping up to be a landslide election. And the republicans will have no one to blame but themselves. I love it.

Huntsman was on Morning Joe. He pretty much says the same thing. His version is that the GOP has run out of ideas - the party of Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan is gone. He was talking 1854 and a new 3rd party. Reference made to "Unaffiliated" (wonder why this term, as opposed to Independent?) outnumbering Dems or Repubs.

There's a good chance I would have voted for Huntsman - he was the one true Moderate (whatever that may be) who has a history of working with anyone - regardless of party. He believes the current crop of Repub voters held this against him. That, and that he wouldn't pander to them like the other Repub candidates.

roger — February 23, 2012 at 6:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The whole Repub campaign is turning out to be a real dog and pony show. The only question is who is the dog and who is the pony?

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree with you re Huntsman. He strikes me as a well educated, literate, knowledgeable, and experienced person. So many strikes against him. Why are the Republicans these days against intellectuals? If you look at their candidates besides Huntsman, is there even one of them who by any stretch of the imagination could be called intellectual? I don't think so. At this point of the game, I see no soundbites about jobs, I see only religion and strikes against women.
Of course, historically, when the economy goes south, women have been picked upon more than usual. That's when we read more of the "kids suffer when Mom works" type of stories and "studies", and we see more of the religious babble that seems to keep women home in the kitchen (see Ricky Sanatorium).
Given the lack of substance in any of the republican candidates still afloat, I am really starting to wonder if they already know they are not going to make it. I am still trying to be optimistic and hope the general American voters will reject their rabid fringe candidates they have mustered so far. Or is it really true that they realize they cannot win and are waiting for 2016?

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I really don't think they have a chance with all the differences between them. Nobody has everything it takes to make it. If you could take bits and pieces of each one of them, maybe you could put a decent candidate together, or maybe they are just playing out the time and they have someone in the wings to come out when they fail to muster enough numbers. If they all manage to look really bad during this vetting period then introduce a new face with all putting their support behind him/her, who knows what would happen. But who would this "perfect" person be?

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey nailingit, this from an article this morning;

"Republicans have seized on the issue, citing Obama's decision to reject a permit for a cross-country oil pipeline as evidence of a misguided policy. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum has warned of $5-a-gallon gas, while former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has said he could lower prices to $2.50 a gallon."

See, Bachmann isn't the only one with those powers.

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry, my source;

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 7:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit-roger- Huntsman seems like a good guy. A great choice for VP if one of these guys want any appeal to the center. But Mitt couldn't pick another Mormon for the ticket. It would cause the earth to open up releasing devastating amounts of Angel Macaroni Hair pasta, bloating all of Christianity for decades.


*Or is it really true that they realize they cannot win and are waiting for 2016?*

I've wondered this also. Months ago when Romney was a given for the bid, (and Obama caved on the debt ceiling & Bush tax cuts)Chris Matthews was talking about this. He brought out the idea that Republicans would rather have 4 more years of vilifying/blaming/obstructing Obama, and put who they feel is a true conservative (whatever that is) in the White House. Groom a candidate for 4 years, and choose someone they feel will last for 8 pushing GOP agenda.

Now they're going nuts. The economy is getting better. Unemployment inching down and Obama's approval rating 50% +.

And it's getting better in spite of Congress and a guy from Kenya in the White House!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, maybe maybe. Alternative is to recognize they just simply cannot get their act together and there is no Republican still standing who can be considered a normal person with a decent chance. So either this is done on purpose (wait 4 years) or they simply have nobody better. Either way, if Obama does not commit something truly terrible or loses his marbles, chances are he will be re-elected. I am not looking forward to the real campaign as it will be ugly ugly ugly.
It would be awfully nice to have an election based on real issues and real facts, not this semi-religious babble stuff (I am keeping my language clean for Matt) but I can only dream. If only they would recognize we are in 21st century....oooh wait, that smacks of European style secularism! Me bad.

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- It's all they got. Their jobs bill consists of a few thousand temp jobs watching a pipeline run oil to the gulf.

Tell a republican that under Obama we are producing more oil and gas than any other admin in history and they'll laugh, then rewind O'Reilly for another watch on the DVR.

I'm thinking if no one wraps up the needed delegates, and this goes to a brokered convention, we'll get someone else in the mix. Palin has hinted at it! :)) There's another Bush in Florida that hasn't screwed the country as a whole, and Trump!

Let the circus continue!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

At least some understand the mindset at RNC HQ!

**Overheard on the trail: Adelson for president; booze and women at the RNC**

“The national GOP, I don’t trust them,” he says, arguing that if Adelson’s $21 million had gone to the national party, it would have been spent on “booze and women” – a reference, perhaps, to the lesbian strip-club scandal that rocked the Republican National Committee under Michael Steele’s leadership in 2010.

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Pure genius! An outing of American Socialism. luvit- The last minute and a half or so compares us with Euro Socialism. Spot on!!!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Nail, that was great. Spot on is right.

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Wow...I'm still amazed!!! Talk about a slew of opinionated comments coming and going today. What is it??? A full moon???

goldenoldie — February 23, 2012 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

good stuff, nail. Bill Maher for King.

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- A waxing crescent for most tonight. I think it's always full when these guys debate!

A conversation about religion in America, and how it influences our politics has been much needed for a long time.

It's nice to see it taking place.

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Republican brain trust. 121 X 2 X 2010 = Congress

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 1:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

crazytrain — February 23, 2012 at 12:56 p.m

Thanks for kicking in your two boogers. The more the better, I always say.

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This is more valuable than a JoeSmith Gold plated watch! The original "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" Teabaggers!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, the redneck video went nicely with my afternoon break and a mocha. Thanks. Olden but golden video. Nothing has changed.

As this is an opinion board, our opinions might be opinionated. is that not the purpose?

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*As this is an opinion board, our opinions might be opinionated. is that not the purpose?*

Correct luvit. Last time I checked. Come to think uv it, having an opinion about an opinion board is opinionated! And having no opinion represents an opinionated viewpoint on not giving opinions.

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 2:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK - Either we have to support our comments with references (per Sir Basil) or we can offer up opinions as the mood strikes us.

And on alternating Wednesdays, we can be clothing optional.

If Matt will allow it.

roger — February 23, 2012 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL - That was a sure bet, thanks!!

soapbox4u — February 23, 2012 at 2:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I go with your "opinions as the mood strikes us" as my opinions are the best and so well-thought out over a long long history of too many years. I am after all a trained observer.. I will not participate in clothing optional days. Those days are over, my friend, as the afore mentioned years were too many.

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 3 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It's plain to see why Fox news hired Dobbs for the business/financial side of this fair and balanced sideshow. Again. You can't make this stuff up. Remember, this is the hate "Illegal Mexicans" guy who got all the conservative seniors riled up. Then got canned from CNN. This is also the guy that had illegal immigrants working for him on his 300 acre Jersey farm, grooming his Arabian horses! ( )

Yesterday it was the girl scouts and now it's Dr. Seuss!! ROTFLMAO!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 3:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I'll let you continue to search for the meaning of Booger... I really can't think for a moment why you don't know how I used it in reference to you...
I also like your statement about how under Obama the US is processing more oil and gas than any other administration...

If you look at these two articles you'll see that oil and gas production hasn't really increases over the past 30-40 years contrary to what you have read and want to believe. See that where we differ. You cite and use information that is really not accurate nor factual sometimes. So when you do cite your sources there either a news agencies view or some persons view. It's like looking into the great blue summer sky filled with white "puffy" clouds and you see a horse but I see a plane, their just different views but what I saw was an f-15 fighter flying in the sky....You saw the white puffy horse...

We have less than 150 oil refineries today in the US. While we used to have over 400 30-40 years ago. Byt due to issues many closed. But no new refinery has been built for 36 years. So how can production increase when we haven't added any new refineries..??? Oh yeah lets use that Fuzzy math like Obama is doing with the Unemployment rate and job growth...Thats the ticket...

Having a great Thursday you???

vanwadreamer — February 23, 2012 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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laugh·ing·stock noun \ˈla-fiŋ-ˌstäk, ˈlä-\


: an object of ridicule
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Synonyms: butt, derision, jest, joke, mark, mock, mockery, sport, target

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What made you want to look up laughingstock? Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). (a) Another Fox news conspiracy (b) The Columbian, of course! *This so-called news station is a f'ing laughing stock!*

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*We have less than 150 oil refineries today in the US. While we used to have over 400 30-40 years ago. Byt due to issues many closed. But no new refinery has been built for 36 years. So how can production increase when we haven't added any new refineries..???*

Seriously? The amount of refineries equals output?!

*Since President Obama took office, total U.S. oil and natural gas production has increased. This increase, however, has happened in spite of the President, not because of him.*

Nothing biased about this! And these are the first two sentences of the "institute for energy" site! LOL!

Seriously? A five year old ncpa article represents today's output?

*So when you do cite your sources there either a news agencies view

Yes. Those damn "new agencies" can get in the way of the truth! :))...:)))...:))))

or some persons view.*

Yes. I haven't sourced extra-terrestrial life forms yet. But I'm working on it!!! :)))

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*The United States began exporting gas in late 2008. For decades prior, starting in 1960, the country used all the gas it produced here plus had to import gas from places in Europe.
But demand for gas has dropped nearly 10% in recent years. It went from a peak of 9.6 million barrels a day in 2007 to 8.8 million barrels today, according to the EIA.*

*The drop was caused partially by the recession but also by the advent of more fuel efficient vehicles, higher prices and the greater use of ethanol as an ingredient in gasoline. Demand for other products made from crude oil like diesel and jet fuel has also declined, although not as much.*

*To be sure, the United States is still importing plenty of oil to make that gasoline -- and is still dependent on foreign countries for well over half the crude it uses.*

*But now the country's massive refining infrastructure is producing more gasoline, diesel and jet fuel than the United States needs, freeing it up to be exported to places like Brazil, Mexico and Chile where demand is still strong.*

*The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the export trend last week, said the United States is on track this year to be a net exporter of refined products for the first time in 62 years.*

***"We've got plenty of excess refining capacity,"** said Jonathan Cogan, a spokesman for EIA. "It's a reminder that this is a global oil market, and it's reflected by the movements of products to where they will get the highest prices."*

"So how can production increase when we haven't added any new refineries..???"

The EPA has only been presented with one application for a permit to build a new refinery in the years you cite. It was in Arizona, and was approved. They've received and approved numerous applications for permits to expand, explaining the boost in production and excess capacity, at present.

mrd — February 23, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sooo...if you shouldn't cite news sources or solid reporting/op-eds that articulate one's view, what does that leave us with? Oh yeah...

...FOX NEWS!!!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 3:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and give the 'C' a bit of the the kudos. Just a bit (smile).

In today's LttE some cat explains why the 'C's' opinion about the county moratorium on collective cannabis gardens is flawed. Said cat ends his letter thusly, "The Columbian has disappointed; it’s being led by the nose."

And they printed it.

(real big smile)

Drift — February 23, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Opinions are not facts.

I can write an opinionated post and it's nothing more. Howsomeohever, should I attempt to pass my opinion off as fact, then... well, shame on me.

Now, I also have another option, that is to offer an opinion, claiming it to be *based* upon fact. That there though... well, I'd better have a bibliography ready to go, eh?

Easy peasy.

Drift — February 23, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well the Newt is at it again.

"Republican White House hopeful Newt Gingrich has angrily denounced President Obama's apology to Afghan President Hamid Karzai over the burning of Korans at a U.S. military base.

The former speaker took to his Twitter feed to condemn Obama's letter to Karzai, saying: "It is an outrage that on the day an Afghan soldier murders two American troops, Pres. Obama is the one apologizing."

The incident at Bagram Air Base triggered a violent response from Afghans, with 14 dead over three days of protests. Two American soldiers were shot dead when an Afghan soldier turned his weapon on them at their base in Khogyani in eastern Nangarhar province, district governor Mohammad Hassan told AFP."

*He's not going to get the Muslam vote if he keeps this bad-mouthing up.*

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Vanwa, I'm as fine as frogs hair.

Seems your questions all got answered. You do understand the capacity question now? That's nice.

Good on ya, nail.

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 4:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 3 p.m.

About clothing optional Wednesday, I'm up for that until it starts getting warm outside, I really hate it when I stick to the leather chair, maybe a towel would help. Anyway, I reserve the right to use either opinion or facts at my whim. It's funner that way.

hawkeye — February 23, 2012 at 4:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

drift @ 3:48- A well written LTTE with a knowledge based opinion. Whoever put pen to paper with that one knows what they're talking about. It did remind me of someone that posts in the basement...I can't quite place...

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So... like, on Wednesday I can wear clothes if'n I wanna?
I'm so happy about "optional."

Cool, a person can still do as they will. You know? Like lie, cheat, steal, rob... or be responsible.

Yo, Hawk! -My- chair has a vibrating-heated-cushion thing!
You're right.... I should say no more.

(I'm starting to be able to get the CAPTCHAs right off. First try. Should I be scared?)

Drift — February 23, 2012 at 4:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- Do you like Barack's singing? He's no Sinatra, but creeps into Harry Connick Jr. territory.

But then again...that's my opinion. :))

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 4:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ob·ses·sion noun \äb-ˈse-shən, əb-\

Definition of OBSESSION

: a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling; broadly : compelling motivation
: something that causes an obsession
— ob·ses·sion·al adjective
— ob·ses·sion·al·ly adverb
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He was fascinated by the actress and tracking her every move had become an obsession.
She has an obsession about cleanliness.
Her concern about cleanliness approaches the level of obsession.
Money has become an obsession for him.
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Synonyms: fetish (also fetich), idée fixe, mania, fixation, preoccupation, prepossession
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fetish, hypochondria, intelligence, mania, narcissism, neurosis, pathological, psychosis, schadenfreude, subliminal
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What made you want to look up obsession? Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible). (a) Someone who claims to be crazy (dementia?) attempting to insult. This poster never misses a golden opportunity. (b) The Columbian, of course! *Mental issues comes to mind...well lets call it what it is, an obsession...So obsessed...Could this person be addicted to the internet as well...counting the number of posts daily...

"a person wonder.." That you are hon, that you are!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Crazytrain @ 5:05 pm..

Where have I heard that before??? Ah yes...NOW I remember!!!


So Nailingit, did you find a new dictionary link recently??? I noticed you're providing a lot of reference information on certain catch phrases/words lately which just happen to parallel issues with mental health. I'm that part of your profession??? Just wondering.

goldenoldie — February 23, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And Nailingit...I hate to say this but-----

You're posting more than ME lately!!! Whazzup with that???

goldenoldie — February 23, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Regarding the opinions comment I made...

Was it something I said??? All I was referencing was the fact that for the first time in a long, long time...people are opening up and truly saying what is on their mind...


goldenoldie — February 23, 2012 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yay Golden!

it was about time, don't you think???

luvithere — February 23, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

About that LttE I mentioned earlier. The one about the County Commissioners and the collective cannabis garden thing. A cat named Roger asks about the exposure of county employees (Law Enforcement) should they give a blind eye. The simple answer is, yes and no.

They are under no obligation to enforce federal law.
They will lose their toys if they don't.

A few folks growing a few plants -most likely- would not put those toys at risk. We aren't talking large grows here. A collective garden may have 45 plants at any given time.

The Feds are all busy with California, Colorado and Montana. 45 plants at one location in Clark County? That's a pimple on a ... well, you get it?

I'm pretty darned sure (mere opinion) that a County Deputy Sheriff is at absolutely no risk at abiding by state law, AND they will STILL get to keep their toys... pretty sure.

Just sayin'.

Drift — February 23, 2012 at 7:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*So Nailingit, did you find a new dictionary link recently???*

No. I have used Merriam-Webster for quite some time now.

*I noticed you're providing a lot of reference information on certain catch phrases/words lately which just happen to parallel issues with mental health.*

Really? Please be specific so I can address them.

*I'm that part of your profession??? Just wondering.*

I've learned not give too much personal info. For..some it provides an avenue for personal attacks. There are a few that post who seem to have a dark and troubled side to their persona. By and large I prefer to discuss politics. Not myself or the personal lives of those who post here.

*And Nailingit...I hate to say this but-----*

Really? :)

*You're posting more than ME lately!!! Whazzup with that???*

Yes yes. "crazytrain" was thinking the same way! :))

Good to see you post!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Republicans Cave!**

Democratic groups are cheering the personhood bill's defeat.

"This is a huge win for women in the Republican war on a women's right to choose and women's health," said Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee spokeswoman Carolyn Fiddler.

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh man! This is hot! I can hear Frank Graham, Pat Robertson and minions now!

Rubio's a Mormon! A conspiracy to set in motion the end of days. This should get good!

The Republican Party is coming apart! Our country can begin to heal! An act of .. God?

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 9:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The "Medicine Man" @ 5:22 reminds me of Glenn Beck! What a talker!

nailingit — February 23, 2012 at 9:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — February 23, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.,

My observations over the years, and occasional experience, is that the Feds will generally overlook the little stuff as long as one remains under the radar. But if it becomes a "matter of principle" then they'll feel obligated to push their weight around. Remember Waco? Maybe someone at County dreamed up this whole zoning controversy for that reason - I don't know.

But that cat named Roger is more concerned with legislators passing stupid laws. Didn't WA already have medical marijuana cards, and also some sort of permitting process for growers for those cardholders? Then we get this latest out of Oly - followed with the decision to defer to the local governments. Which is crazy in itself - I could be perfectly legal here, and drive to Longview and be illegal? But even dumber is to pass laws that are in violation of federal law - and then walk away from the responsibility to protect your citizens when they follow the state law.

Anyhow, it may not matter much longer. Our nation's debt doubled under Bush, and will double again under Obama. Predictions are that within 5 years we'll look like Greece. If true, law enforcement won't have time to worry about stuff like this - they'll be busy elsewhere.

roger — February 24, 2012 at 5:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Was it something I said??? All I was referencing was the fact that for the first time in a long, long time...people are opening up and truly saying what is on their mind..."
goldenoldie — February 23, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.

Well...... In my OPINION, I'll opine that the topic of boogers had just about run it's course.

roger — February 24, 2012 at 6:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*NEW YORK — Consumer products maker Procter & Gamble Inc. said Thursday it plans to cut 5,700 jobs over the next year and a half as part of a cost-cutting plan.*

Since the amount is world wide..I wonder how many out of that 5,700 are here in the USA.

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — February 24, 2012 at 5:32 a.m

There is no "card." A medicinal cannabis recommendation is written on tamper resistant 8 1/2 x 11 paper. All it is is documentation of a discussion with a health professional about the possibility of cannabis being an effective treatment.

That document gives the patient the ability to possess 15 plants and/or 24 oz. of material at any one time. The patient also has the option of designating another individual to provide that for them.

None of the above activities are required to be "registered" with the state.

Take a look at a letter I wrote to, then Prosecuting Attorney Art Curtis, back in June of '09.

The collective cannabis garden would aleviate that "distribution" issue. Amoungst 10 folks, anyway.

Now here's a crazy scenario for you. Let's say both I and my wife are both patients and providers. That would mean we could have 60 plants and 6 lbs. at any one time. And that is perfectly legal! What's crazy is under the collective garden deal only 45 plants and 4.5 lbs. are allowed.

This mumbo-jumbo with the moratoriums affects collective gardens only. Not a patient's ability to possess or grow for themselves.

As I wrote before, a municipality can zone, register and license dispensaries (or not). That's crazy because anything related to dispensaries was removed from the bill before signing!

As far as federal law goes, those in Congress are under a lot of pressure ($$$) to keep cannabis (the plant) illegal. The laws won't change until the weight of the people is greater than that of Big Business, and the scale finally tips. We are seeing that with things like state initiatives. I say pile it on!

Drift — February 24, 2012 at 7:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*For all the political claims, economists say there's not much a president of either party can do about gasoline prices. Certainly not in the short term. But it's clear that people are concerned — a new Associated Press-GfK poll says seven in 10 find the issue deeply important — so it's sure to be a political issue through the summer.
"Right now, we're experiencing yet another painful reminder of why developing new energy is so critical to our future," the president said. At an average of $3.58 a gallon, prices are already up 25 cents since Jan. 1, and experts say they could reach a record $4.25 a gallon by Memorial Day.*

So when is this alternative energy sources actually going to happen? I have been hearing this since Kennedy was in office.
Every president has played lip service to this, yet nothing.
One would think by now something would have been done.

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 7:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*What's good for the goose is good for the...*

**Georgia Democrats Seek Vasectomy Ban In Response To Abortion Bill**

"The Republican attack on women's reproductive rights is unconscionable," said House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams in a statement. "What is more deplorable is the hypocrisy of HB 954's author. If we follow his logic, we believe it is the obligation of the General Assembly to assert an equally invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men and substitute the will of the government over the will of men."

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*The official corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent. But the average rate actually paid by U.S. corporations in 2011 was 26 percent. Many companies paid far less. Some paid nothing at all.
The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy and Citizens for Tax Justice looked at 280 of the most profitable corporations in Fortune's list of America's 500 largest corporations for 2008, 2009 and 2010, and found that companies on average paid only about half of the 35 percent corporate tax rate.
Thirty of the 280 companies actually paid less than nothing over the three-year period – including General Electric, PG&E;, DuPont, Verizon Communications, Boeing, Wells Fargo, Mattel, Honeywell International, Corning and more. Some got checks from the U.S. Treasury.
Because of loopholes, companies doing similar activities can pay taxes at dramatically different rates. For example, FedEx paid a three-year rate of 0.9 percent while United Parcel Service paid 24.1 percent.
**This takes place in a global environment where corporate tax rates have been declining for more than 25 years, a competitive race to the bottom started by the United States, Ireland and Great Britain in the mid-1980s.** Corporate tax rates that averaged close to 50 percent in the developed world in the early 1980s dropped into the 30 percent to 40 percent range by the 1990s.
In the United States, corporate tax rates have flattened at 35 percent, while they have continued to drop in other developed countries.
Read more here:*

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Regarding your post at 8:21 pm on Feb. 23rd..., are you referring to folks like our friendly(?) resident political hopeful who runs their entire campaign for political office on the Columbian's forum as well as the FB side of comments and don't want their darkest secrets revealed???

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Amazing!!! What century are we living in? Conservatives are ruining this country.

**Abstinence-Only Sex Education Bill In Utah Prohibits Teaching Contraception**

The version of the bill that passed through the state House Wednesday would prohibit any instruction in contraception, though teachers would be allowed to answer student questions about safe sex.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 8:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- Not sure of what you are referring to. Please be specific. I was referring to posters on this forum who get their jollies lashing out at those they can't hold an intelligent conversation with.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, no prob!. You have hit the nail on the head (hence your pen name???). The turnip doesn't fall off the turnip cart when it is clear you understand my question, my friend. I mentioned the person in general terms because I'm sure you would remember the history of the personal attacks towards my family and the snarky cheerfulness displayed by our resident political hopeful in their posts after they knew they had me quite upset...upset enough to lash out my frustrations which I believe was a clear indication of my passion in my writes and the thoughts I'd share...opening my heart to the public.

Of course I know now...that can be construed as a weakness of mine when posting on the Columbian and increases my vulnerability to attacks by those whose sole interest is to manipulate others to the point that it satisfies their own personal needs whether it be to "make them feel better" because they are already down on themselves so to speak...and they need that "pick me up."

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Crazytrain, I really didn't want to mention names but I think everyone knows who I'm speaking of and my "experience."

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 7:38 a.m

Preaching to the choir, sister.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. About the ban on Vasectomy, questions come to mind. If a person had one, would it be reversed if this went through? Seems like their efforts would be better spent banning little blue pills rather than vasectomies.

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 9:29 a.m

Well Hawkeye after all we do share the same birthday month and same age..maybe that explains why most times we do agree on things. ;)

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Your the one that lashes out with Bold Dark Capitalized screaming words then try to Booger down the person with whom you are having a conversation with.
Sunoco selling last two refineries one in Toledo and Philly. I spoke with a relative of mine that works at one of these plants and asked him how has production output changed over the past 15-20-25 years. He says it has remained steady with maybe a 3-5% uptick over past 10 years. They have added some extra capacity at there plant.
You just seem Hell bent at saying spewing some very vitral hatred towards people who don't hold or believe some of your thoughts and opinions. I don't look at people as D or R but just people who have opinions. If they have one that differs from mine so well beit.. They have there reasons and beliefs.. I like to ask why they believe that way and I get there answers. It allows me to know where there coming from and where they stand on issues. It does however lead to me not really listening to them over time as there right about as much as there wrong most of the time. On top of that I probably don't read or listen to or walk in their cirlse of influence.. So we don't cross paths much.. keeps it simpler that way...

vanwadreamer — February 24, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- Remember-Republicans believe life begins at ejaculation!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*You just seem Hell bent at saying spewing some very vitral hatred towards people who don't hold or believe some of your thoughts and opinions.*

As noted by some, my comments are many. It should be easy for you to source and provide evidence of this. Please feel free...My "Bold Dark Capitalized screaming words" are, with few exceptions headlines to a published article.

"then try to Booger down" .. ? :) Please read def I printed earlier. Strange! But it's all good.

I'm not suggesting you limit your speech vanwa, but a little more clarity might help.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

just read where KLM airlines will allow you to determine whether or not you want to sit next to someone on a plane based on their facebook profile. now a facebooker can have the whole world beating a path to your door. just seems weird to me-too old I guess.

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.

So does that mean it's a crime to masturbate? Maybe a man could be charged with reckless abandonment?

mrd, Looks like nobody will be sitting next to me. I like that just fine. More room for me.

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**The GOP’s Long War Against Women and Sex**

Their fear of sex—of women’s sexuality in particular—has become a major media talking point, and a source of outrage among American women. But what I don’t understand is why anyone is surprised. Republicans have long based their agenda for women in a deep-rooted disdain for all things female. We’ve been down this road many, many times before.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk @ 10:22- LOL!!! I guess women are left off the hook for this one!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- Then could chastity be classified as a homeless shelter? :)

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Regarding your post at 8:24 a.m., you asked me to be specific and I responded with specifics. It is considered good internet etiquette to at least acknowledge the response.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 11:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My last Captcha quote:

"Her abludj" just hit a funny note with me. My creative mind tried to run "abludj" as a slang term.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- I just wanted to discuss topics of the day. Not your personal issues.

*The turnip doesn't fall off the turnip cart when it is clear you understand my question, my friend.*

With your accusatory tone it can be a chore to respond. Why would you bring up a poster you never wish to speak of, and ask others not to?

*And Nailingit...whether you realize it or not, you helped me when you provided a comment in recent days regarding past posts. So now maybe I can help you and Hawkeye as well as myself a bit by gently urging you to keep those past haunting issues from surfacing again by keeping them in the past. Whaddya say???*

I just don't care to continue a conversation that involves your perceived "victimization". I'm sure some will accommodate and that's cool. More power to you and them.

How about current events?

**Social Issues Focus May Weaken Youth Support For Republicans**

"It scares me how extreme they are on social conservatism," she said. "It wasn't that they didn't believe in gay marriage. It was how vicious and closed minded they were."

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Social Issues Focus May Weaken Youth Support For Republicans
nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.

It bothers me that they want less government but want more government intrusion into EVERYONE'S lives.

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- I heard a pundit on one of the MSNBC shows yesterday, as (I assume I won't get censored as it was okay for the tube) the Republicans want government "small enough to fit inside a woman's vagina".

I thought it was well stated!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 11:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

RICHMOND — In the end, it took late-night comedians, a less genteel legislature and a backtracking governor to change the course of Virginia’s highly contentious antiabortion bill.

The measure, which would require women to get an ultrasound before having an abortion, was headed for the law books late last week. But over the course of nine days, it became clear that the legislation’s sponsors didn’t realize one key fact — that for an ultrasound to determine the age of a fetus, as mandated by the bill, it would usually require a vaginal probe.

Hmm "vaginal probe" funny I had 4 ultrasounds when pregnant with my son 24 yrs ago and even at that time they took measurement of the baby and knew how old he was and none of them were "vaginal probes"

Funny how they are more worried about a "probe" when most abortions are done with a suction device (which is a "vaginal probe")
they have to break the water sack (with a " vaginal probe")
Maybe like most think it just happens? Or Elves do it?
WTH are people that claim to be educated thinking?

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at noon ( | suggest removal

Now Nailingit, no need for personal attacks. I was giving you a compliment when I said my comment about the turnip cart. It was my assumption you understood but you know what they say about anybody who would assume...!!! Sorry if you misconstrued that as an insult, friend. My bad.

And you're right. I did say that (obviously) regarding wishing the context of discussion in the past is left out, but I'm sure you just misunderstood. Sorry about that.

My only thoughts in my discussion with you were to understand where you were coming from and that was the number one problematic issue I remembered which I could put in place in my mind which would support your comment regarding at 8:24 am which in your own words said *"I was referring to posters on this forum who get their jollies lashing out at those they can't hold an intelligent conversation with."* I haven't been on the C as much as I used to...up to the past few days and I haven't followed too many of the political discussions. I saw something in your writes which I had questions. What discussion in recent days between myself and you has been civil up to this point. I certainly hope nothing has changed.

Funny how this is suddenly becoming personal, though. Not the intention but it appears to be heading that way. It seems I must've hit a nerve or something...didn't mean to. Because I have noticed you appear to study social behaviors on the forum and the FB side of the C through the comments you share, I again assumed you had some experience in the matter and my curiosity got the best of me. I respect that you wish to keep your private life out of the public eye so I will show you respect and not pursue that any further.

So at the least...without naming names or context of past comments, was I correct in my understanding of your comment at 8:24 am? That's all I was trying to confirm with you, Nailingit.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*was I correct in my understanding of your comment at 8:24 am?* It's a crapshoot!

*It seems I must've hit a nerve or something.*

:)) You see the world much differently than I! If you would like to believe what you said "struck a nerve", so be it. ...

*Now Nailingit, no need for personal attacks.*

Not to be drawn in any further goldenoldie, but I did not attack you. Please, indicate where you perceive this attack so I may clarify.

Just silliness. about current events?

**GOP Voters Confused? Experts Say Give Them A Break**

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now...regarding your next note of discussion..."Social Issues Focus May Weaken Youth Support For Republicans"

Merriam-Webster online version Definition of YOUTH
a : the time of life when one is young; especially the period between childhood and maturity

b: the early period of existence, growth, or development

a: a young person; especially, a young male between adolescence and maturity

b: young persons or creatures —usually plural in construction

a: the quality or state of being youthful : youthfulness

If I'm not mistaken, the "Youth" of today are under 18. The youths are not considered an adult until voting age and until they are able to vote, it is highly unlikely the politicians/presidential hopefuls really don't give a rat's behind what they have to say unless it wins them votes by the parents of the youths. So all I can say about Huff Post article is that the entire discussion is useless.

But then again...that's just my opinion.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nice try, Nailingit. You know exactly what I speak of...and I have moved on -

or didn't you notice???'s not all about you. So I'll remind you where I moved 12:37 pm.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 12:37- Thanks for your input!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 12:39- Cool!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

GOP voters aren't confused. The media is only making it appear they are confused. If the "educated" voter has been doing their homework, they already know who they're voting for...but just like the D's or the I's or any other party...if the voter doesn't check out the entire scope of each political hopeful's history and what their plans are...then they too would be just as confused as the limited number of GOP voters.

You gotta stop this ridiculous partisan bashing. It does nothing for your case.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Maybe you can clear something up. The article states a probe must be used to determine the size of the fetus in the first trimester. Of your four ultrasounds, were any performed in the first trimester?

As you pointed out, it is ironic the politicians are concerned about a probe but not a vacuum to remove the fetus. Never understood why abortion and contraception are issues politicians constantly bring up. What good does it do? If Va totally out-lawed abortions, there's always Tennessee, Kentucky, W Va, Maryland, Ohio.....

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 12:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And Nailingit...Saying GOP voters are confused is just as bad as saying Democrats are dependent of others to support them.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Thanks for your input?*


You sound like the editor of the newspaper.

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Of your four ultrasounds, were any performed in the first

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 12:45 p.m

Yes one was, my first was done at about 10 1/2 wks with serum tests for any problems cause I was 36 at the time.
Second one was done at 18 wks, 3rd at 28 wks (that's when we found out the sex) the last was done at 36 wks.

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh no not another quote from the "HUFF" post... Nail, seriously do you own stock in that wrap???
The Democrats and especially this president are trying and succeeding in creating this current class warefare going on.


Where do you stand on the President and especially the Democrats in congress wanting to change the way the ultra rich are taxed on thier income?

vanwadreamer — February 24, 2012 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

if you were able to learn the size of your baby in the first trimester, some doctor/politician in Va is wrong.

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.

I even remember when I was pregnant with my first child when I had my first office visit, no ultra sound just by the exam the doctor knew I was at 10 wks and that was 33 yrs ago.
So with that being said, I don't fall for the BS that they need a "vaginal probe".

mrd, a baby at about 10 to 12 wks is about the size of a walnut, so about 1 1/4" to 1 3/4" in length.

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 3:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'll take your word for it-a woman should know.I sure don't.

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


My question would be, if it's the first trimester, what difference does size mean. For that matter, what difference would size mean unless the abortion depends on size. Not knowing what proposed law is has me handicapped a little but since ultrasounds have been around for YEARS and has been constantly improved, I'm thinking that should be good enough. Since most (I would guess at least 90%) abortions are done in the first trimester, it shouldn't matter.

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 3:26 p.m

Size shows what trimester.
At the end of the 1st trimester, around 10 to 12th wk, with ultra sound one can see arms and legs, even the hand pad with finger buds! A heart beat with luck can be found at this time also.

Hawkeye and med, did you also know that our hearts are actually formed outside the body for a time?

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

soapbox4U: Where ya' been? Good to see you again! Please stop by and visit a little longer next time!

roger: You have been MIA and I suspect I know why. If you want to discuss the proposed Post Hospital re-development, hop on over to the Downtown Development forum, which is full of dust and cobwebs, I think.

Some guy on the FB side is making some sense about the downside of saving this building. I am an historic preservation fanatic and he is starting to change my stubborn mind.....

If you come, bring a broom and dustpan. It's deserted and neglected there........

manthou — February 24, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Hawkeye and med, did you also know that our hearts are actually formed outside the body for a time?*

I had no clue. But I'm learning.

If I read/remember correctly, the proposed law in Va was to require an ultrasound prior to an abortion. Then some doctor turned politician proclaimed an invasive procedure was required to determine info about the fetus in the first trimester. Based on elisi's experience that might not be the case. I guess in fairness to the good doctor, should note Elisi's intial ultrasound was performed pretty much at the end of the first trimester, so maybe this is a hair-splitting thing.
Not being a real fan of abortion as a means of birth control, plus the fact abortion is an issue I don't really have a pony in the race, so to speak, it makes it difficult for me to see why this always seems to come up around election time. I guess it's just part of the conservative philosophy, but it seems right now, there would be bigger fish to fry. Abortion almost seems as the ol' red herring to fire up the base.
Romney's flawed 92 point plan for economic recovery was critiqued by Paul Rosenburg. It seems his plan is very anti-labor. Makes me wonder how he can show his face in Mich, but there he is. He claims he'll also issue an executive order to repeal "Obamacare". It appears his handlers didn't tell him an executive order cannot override a federal law. Ah, such is politics.... But again, that'll appeal to many. As SS & Medicaire are across the board widely supported, I wonder why people think his mimicing of Ryan's plan-using vouchers-isn't going to gut the programs. He's promising reductions in spending on those programs at the same time telling folks their tax burdens for those programs will be reduced. Someone better stop and think where that massive shortfall is going to come from.
And, to no surprise, corporate and high income tax breaks abound. As mentioned in the article, standard GOP fare.

mrd — February 24, 2012 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Report Says Candidates' Plans Boost Federal Debt**

Only Texas Rep. Ron Paul has offered detailed plans that might trim the government's burgeoning debt, according to an analysis released Thursday by the nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 5:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ 12:37- Thanks for your input! -- nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.

Thanks for your input???????? You sound like the editor of the newspaper. -- goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.

Oh no not another quote from the "HUFF" post... Nail, seriously do you own stock in that wrap??? -- vanwadreamer — February 24, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.

You know, this Basement was becoming quite dull. But no longer!!! It's good to see a lot of the old crowd back! I'm catching up on today's posts and laughing my ### off!

roger — February 24, 2012 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This guy is a nut. Talk about the dumbing down of America!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Extremely interesting discussion on abortion. I'm under the impression that first trimester ones are usually induced using some sort of medicine, and the "surgical" ones are more common to second trimester ones. I don't think I found the answer to that, but did find a rather interesting fact sheet I thought I'd share.

mrd at 4:53 hit the nail on the head with WHY this is an election time issue - it helps divert attention from the fact that neither side has an answer to the real problems of the day. They'd rather "agree to disagree" over issues like this.

roger — February 24, 2012 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 5:18 p.m

So is he saying Notre Dame or Texas Christian are no longer religious? Well, I'll be.

hawkeye — February 24, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger @5:16 pm:

Keep laughing. It's good for you!


Nailingit...I agree with you that we are witnessing the dumbing down of America all around us BUT regarding the video link you posted....before jumping to a conclusion based on a little over a minute segment obviously designed to sway voters, wouldn't you rather listen to the entire dialogue rather than just a snippet? It never ceases to amaze me how these "news" outlets take segments of speeches to benefit their agendas. Now THAT's dumbing down, thanks to our wonderful media folks (sorry, Columbian...I wasn't meaning anything against you).

goldenoldie — February 24, 2012 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Friday evening nostalgia

Tonight at 7:00, several members of the old crew of KISN Radio -- way back in the '60s and '70s -- are set to launch their new internet radio station, here. They're currently warming up with some canned material, but they say they're "going live" this evening, with real human disc jockeys. The first hour, we're told, will be particularly "historic."

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langenthal — February 24, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — February 24, 2012 at 5:32 p.m

and Hawkeye and mrd...

First term abortion are done using a D & C, also known as a dilation and curettage.

Please people before you mark votes on any issue like abortion, do your homework to be fully informed. I have come across so many that have no idea what a woman goes through physically and mentally. Men do your homework on it, with the ease of the internet it's easy.

ELISI — February 24, 2012 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- He would do away with any University that doesn't base it's curriculum in Christian theology. The Ivy league Schools, State Universities, any institution of higher learning. He wants home schooling at every level!

Not a whole lot of diversified thinking here. When you believe our President is evil incarnate, and Satan is taking over America, it only follows that higher education doesn't matter! Amazing stuff! Conservative intellectuals are in disbelief.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sometimes it takes a European to get it right!

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie @ 5:54: Your comment about media clips struck a deep chord with me. I have been very concerned about a concept called "advocacy journalism." I guess it is a euphemism for yellow journalism or muckracking.

The other day, in another paper, a young, eager, hoping-for-a-Pulitzer-this-time Lois Lane tweeted that her Twit followers should view the video "trailer" that announced her story.

Trailer! I associate that with entertainment.

Her story was biased, based on malicious sources, and deeply harmed some good, decent and ethical people, citizens she did not even interview. She had positive, balanced information from reliable sources that she chose not to publish. Had she done so, her story would have lost its punch, its edge. But the punch and edge is merely a tale spun from lies.

When does spinning a story become more important that reporting the truth?

I have worried for a long time that the art and ethics of traditional journalism is dead.

Where do we go for unbiased reporting? A friend of mine swears by The Christian Science Monitor.

Any suggestions out there?

manthou — February 24, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I meant to type "muckraking", although I like the image of racking a muck. :)

manthou — February 24, 2012 at 8:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Most excellent article. Taibbi hits it out of the park!* Matt calls it justice, I'd call it a reckoning. Whatever it's all good.

**Arizona Debate: Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost**

No, it was while watching the debates last night that it finally hit me: This is justice. What we have here are chickens coming home to roost. It's as if all of the American public's bad habits and perverse obsessions are all coming back to haunt Republican voters in this race: The lack of attention span, the constant demand for instant gratification, the abject hunger for negativity, the utter lack of backbone or constancy (we change our loyalties at the drop of a hat, all it takes is a clever TV ad): these things are all major factors in the spiraling Republican disaster.

Most importantly, though, the conservative passion for divisive, partisan, bomb-tossing politics is threatening to permanently cripple the Republican party. They long ago became more about pointing fingers than about ideology, and it's finally ruining them.

Please

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Too long without a HuffPost article? This ones a doozy!

**Birth Control Debate: New Hampshire Lawmaker Urges Married Couples To Practice

"Abstinence works 100 percent of the time," she said. *(this might explain a few things! ;))*

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- One persons bias is another's balance and so on. What do you mean?

A write without nuance or insight? A dictionary version of current events?

I think of how liberal Cronkite was, or the conservative Buckley, and believe as a free thinking people, by and large, we can separate the chaff from the wheat.

As for a "yellow journalism" critique pairing with a concern goldenoldie has with the video. It's an accurate representation of his viewpoints. I hope it causes many to delve further into this prominent republican presidential candidates views.

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 9:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


During this time we went to war against the Islamic terrorists responsible for 9/11 by invading an unrelated secular Middle Eastern dictatorship. When people on the other side protested, the rhetoric became even more hysterical. Now those of us outside the circle of Real Americans were not just enemies, but in league with mass-murdering terrorists. In fact, that slowly became the definition of a "liberal" on a lot of these programs – a terrorist.

Sean Hannity’s bestseller during this time, for Christ’s sake, was subtitled, Defeating terrorism, despotism, and liberalism. "He is doing the work of what all people who want big government always do, and that is commit terrorist acts," said Glenn Beck years ago, comparing liberals to Norweigan mass murderer Anders Breivik.

And when the unthinkable happened, and a black American with a Muslim-sounding name assumed the throne in the White House, now, suddenly, we started to hear that liberals were not only in league with terrorists, but somehow worse than terrorists.

"Terrorism? Yes. That’s not the big battle," said Minnesota Republican congressional candidate Allan Quist a few years ago. "The big battle is in D.C. with the radicals. They aren’t liberals. They are radicals. Obama, Pelosi, Walz: They’re not liberals, they’re radicals. They are destroying our country."


Here at home, all liberals, gays, Hispanic immigrants, atheists, Hollywood actors and/or musicians with political opinions, members of the media, members of congress, TSA officials, animal-lovers, union workers, state employees with pensions, Occupiers and other assorted unorthodox types had already long ago been rolled into the enemies list.


These people have run out of others to blame, run out of bystanders to suspect, run out of decent family people to dismiss as Godless, sex-crazed perverts. They’re turning the gun on themselves now. It might be justice, or it might just be sad. Whatever it is, it’s remarkable to watch.


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nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 10:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*And it's happening in Wisconsin!*

*Cheesehead could take on a whole new meaning.*

**Wisconsin GOP Pushes Abstinence-Only Bill**

nailingit — February 24, 2012 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, you asked "When does spinning a story become more important that reporting the truth?"

Well Manthou, when it comes to spinning that story to gain readership rather than to tell it like it is, it is no longer news. There may be snippets of truisms embedded, but it's the word game which throws the perception of truth into trash talk. It becomes the product of lies and deceit and the writer knows all too well that those with certain directed interests will take it upon themselves to utilize the writes for their own advantage - to display the persona of fact in their argument, hence...the popularity of the writer increases with their followers as does their credibility as a writer.

We've seen this with folks on popular "news" television and websites and we've seen the product of this issue with comments by readers (yes, I admit I've fallen into the trap as I witness others whose intellectual capabilities are recognizably higher than the average Joe).

I guess in the long run, it's human nature to take in what we perceive as fact when in all's a play of words - a mind game of sorts.


Speaking of writing and reporting to gain readership...

Remember last autumn before Glenn Beck left Fox News when he reported the cost of food will skyrocket as Gasoline will reach $5 a gallon by Spring time??? Remember how he couldn't say enough times for everyone to stock up on food for the freezer and pantry???

Remember when he urged his audience to pay off those credit card bills ASAP and to put money aside for those difficult times which he saw coming (back in 2007 BTW)???

Remember when he said the political climate would become unrecognizable and that Repubs and Demos alike wouldn't be the same as they once were???

How many people have labeled him a whacko and an opportunist???

And how many people actually heeded his warnings???

I know I did along with other planning not mentioned by him...and with unemployment benefits at an all time low (not even enough to pay bills in the average households) due to the cut back in work last year for my other half...that full pantry, that full freezer, regular carpooling whenever we leave our home and planning and implementing the "rounds" when running errands, the low electricity bills and the elimination of debt has saved us and our family members and friends in their respective homes from losing what we have striven so hard to acquire in the first place.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 6:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The "rounds" I speak of...

They include planning your day trip. If you have more than one errand to run, plan out your route. Don't switch back and forth and don't run to one place...go home...then run out to the next. Conserve fuel. If you can make a full circle in order to complete your tasks, you will save at the gas pump (or electricity at the charging station, lol).

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 6:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

One more comment about Glenn Beck. He has the uncanny ability to go off on tangents I find irritating. I do not agree with everything he says. He is an entertainer, not a soothsayer. He's a businessman with strong business sense...explaining the reason why he's where he is today, financially speaking. He speaks common sense when it comes to the economy and that is where I have listened to him. Nothing more, nothing less.

And Everybody...have a nice Saturday. I'm headed to the Portland Home and Garden Show at the Expo!!!


goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 6:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie: I have not watched Glenn Beck, but, if part of his message included advice to find ways to take care of ourselves and our families in lean times and to wean ourselves off government support, the advice was sound.

nailingit: Lies are lies, no matter who writes them. This is a disease infecting journalism on many sides of an issue. I think multi-media journalism, using videos and "trailers" to lure and keep an audience threatens traditional journalistic ethics. Advocacy journalism looks very different from traditional investigative journalism.

Just ask Walter, may he rest in peace.

manthou — February 25, 2012 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou-I was referring to opinionated fact based journalism rather that outright lies. Of course lies are wrong. They will always exist in Journalism, sometimes it's up to us, the consumer to vet. That's why I vilify Fox News. Have you ever spent time watching? They make stuff up. Literally. And the average age of their audience is a decade more than others. The aged can be easily influenced, and Fox understands many lack internet/computer/capacity to fact check if they cared to. And their audience are rabid voters.

We'll always have trailers and introductions to opinionated/news pieces. I think it better to criticize the "news" makers that are lying, rather than widely used conduits such as trailers and videos.

*Advocacy journalism looks very different from traditional investigative journalism.*

Agreed. It's when the two are combined, and colored to taste they become lethal.

Great subject. And one that should be discussed more.

I wonder if the Columbian would do a series of investigative reporting on said subject! :)

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I think about half the country made the same Becktonian predictions that goldenoldie referred to. But to make them in front of millions, add some common sense, bigotry, lies, a hate for our President, an audience that is primed from false info and an agenda to line his pockets at any cost, Beck sounds like a prophet! His faithful have a loud voice, but fortunately they are few.

Hell, I predicted $5 gas around 2006 and paid off any credit cards in 2004. I keep a decent amount of food on hand for emergencies...

I should have my own show! Complete with hawking overpriced gold from a company under federal investigation and is now facing numerous accounts of criminal fraud charges.

The obvious becomes the hook of credibility, and looks incredible, when it's actuality incredulous, and harmful.

This is why honest effective journalism is so important. The lines can get pretty blurred, honest journalism helps with clarity. imho. :)

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A few "snippets". If trailers existed before Jonestown, it might have averted tragedy.

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL, Nailingit @ 9:36 am. You made me smile with your honesty...and I wholeheartedly agree with your comment. The only difference between the message I speak of that GB shared and your message is...

He made the BIG bucks.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: We agree on this issue: journalism is morphing into something the likes of Edward R Murrow, Ernie Pyle, Walter Cronkite and so many others of that generation would scarcely recognize.

Defamation litigation will inform and shape how far journalists go. This is uncharted territory with the web and multimedia being embraced by traditional newspapers.

While journalists are proud of their watchdog role (and rightly so), they need to be careful of spinning a story to get the competetive edge.

So the public and media consumers need to police our journalists.

My soccer and lacrosse playing sons used to say, "It ain't a foul, Mom, if it isn't seen." That adolescent thinking error is rampant in journalism, I fear. "We will continue to push the ethical envelope until we get caught."

Fox "News" lead the pack and others followed to stay in the race.


Local kudos: I am in between shifts today for the local Friends of Trees planting in our downtown neighborhoods. I cannot believe how many volunteers showed up in the flurries and cold this morning, making our neighborhoods beautiful and green. What a great organization!

manthou — February 25, 2012 at 10:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

LOL! I agree goldenoldie, it's too bad we didn't have our own show!

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another thought...

Nailingit, we can attribute our abilities to prepare for any crisis to a point just by the mere fact that we have experienced or for some who have read the history of similar historic economic events. Mister Beck was just making sure others would take the threat of pending economic collapse seriously.

Glad to hear you were prepared as well.


Manthou, I agree with you. The advice was definitely sound and came at a good time when I was already considering doing the stock ups and debt payoffs, reminiscing about the many times I sat and listened to my parents telling me how their parents had survived the Great Depression. I just needed that little nudge and happened to hear the man speak of just what I needed to hear at the time...and I urged everyone to listen to that message, even have tried to help those who didn't have the financial capabilities of preparing quickly enough but have definitely benefited from my ideas I"d shared either online or amongst friends and family.

For many, enduring this Greater Depression has been a test of willpower and it has also been a time where the importance of helping others has been on the rise with many who barely have enough for themselves, they have managed to help families with nothing...a true test of human nature, wouldn't you say??? Now as we watch the headlines, read the scoup and speak amongst one another, the worldwide famine is on the increase as is political confusion globally. It broke my heart to see a small Syrian child sit up in the hospital bed, bloodied from the attacks of the government upon it's people...and Syria is not the only country enduring this.

It is so very important for all of us NOW to join forces together to make our world a better place...and it begins at home. What we are witnessing today is definitely greed/chaos/famine/starvation/death and each and every one of us have to take the time to make a difference.

Earlier this morning, I said I was going to the Portland Home and Garden Fair. That would have cost us $28 just to step foot inside the Expo Center. All that went through my mind is "what could that $28 buy a family today?" Needless to say we did not utilize that money for our own personal material gains. We will be making a local donation instead.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit @10:46 am...

I think we're more powerful sharing our thoughts as we already do rather than becoming a sell out on Faux News.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Mister Pat Timm, I hope you are enjoying your vacation in Hawaii today. You hit it right on the mark (as usual) when you said snow the last weekend in February!!! We've had snow showers (sloppy and mixed with rain on occasion) on and off this morning in our area!

Kudos to you, sir!

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, what the heck is it with the gas prices???

I got gas last week at Costco for $3.58 and today it's $3.75! All on speculation that something MIGHT happen in the Straight of Hormuz? This is a complete joke.

hawkeye — February 25, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie @ 10:59- I was thinking in terms of network ownership! If I'm gonna dream, why not go all the way?!

AmericanBC, NationalBC, ColumbiaBS, are already taken. CableNewsN has the cable side, and FOX is a cool handle but already taken. MicroSoftNBC is a Gates way about..

GoldenNailNetwork. News that may not be fair, and occasionally unbalanced! GNN. Almost like CNN, but with a G. A Capital C with a hook. Instant almost name recognition!

You take on the Monsanto empire, and I'll pressure the D.O.J. to investigate/press charges if need be, against the former White House administration.

We as citizens assume responsibility for our actions 100%. Why can't corporate industry and elected officials do the same?!

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- Someone said on the tube last night that speculation account for about 30% of gas prices. If this aspect is something Obama can fix I don't know. Hell, I'm not sure he would if he could given all the corporate/global/allies and nuances involved. Something should be done at corporate level. The oil industry set the prices. We could picket or occupy. Trouble is we'd have to buy gas to get to the picket line!

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Hawkeye, I wish someone would explain to me why the 7-Eleven in Five Corners can jack their prices from 3.77 to 3.98 per gallon in just a few days on that "speculation." Mid grade was $4.11. Even Fred Meyers jumped from 3.77 to 3.85 (and the fuel tanker was there so I'm sure the price will jump yet again).

Highway robbery I tell ya!

To top it all off, you know that refinery fire which was burning residual crude oil from the vacuum unit at the BP Cherry Point location here in Washington this past week??? What was stated in the article I read was that it provides 8.7 percent of crude oil for refining capacity on the West Coast, which would result in rising of gas prices in Washington State. That's 8.7% and is enough to throw prices into a free for all???

Seems to me someone is profiting BIG time right now!

So I'm wondering...who has cut back on their car trips these days???

I know we've made a drastic change. Filled up the freezer, the fridge and the pantry...along with filling the gas tanks last week and parking the vehicles. No more day trips for awhile...reserving our gas for family needs in the local area and for driving to work (yes, carpooling when applicable). Less trips to the store, no driving to the mall for mall walking or shopping and no driving to the bookstore. More use of our own two feet for minor needs from the grocery store.

BTW, if you change your own automobile oil, I'd suggest getting an extra batch for the next time. It's not going down any time soon. Expect higher prices at the oil change places, too.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For those who were discussing stocking up a supply of food.
Well, people have been doing just that for many years and don't need the likes of Beck to tell them. Funny how most life long city dwellers seems to think this is something "new and wonderful" to do or that people like me do this only cause Beck said so..very, very wrong.
With both sets of grandparents being farmers, they did it, one set had 13 children. My parents did and so do I. Been married 42 yrs this yr and I have always kept at least a six month supply in house at all times.
While I don't home can food like my grandparents and parents did, I freeze mine. Nothing better in the middle of winter to crack open the freezer and grab a package of corn on the cob that was put away in the fall..makes winter a little more friendly. When our kids were young and living at home, every fall we'd buy a side of beef, now we don't need near as much meat products.
What I save by processing my own veggies and some fruits and buying meats in bulk for the freezer is well worth it and much more healthier. It helps save money, plus during winter when power bills are running at the highest, the savings you have from the hard work in the fall of stocking up more than pays for the extra money being spent on power.
So to those who make and poke fun, call us "Beck followers" at those of us who "stock" food cause that is something that has been passed down several generations..I really feel sorry for, for you have no real clue.

ELISI — February 25, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit...interesting dream but I think I'll pass. Don't want to deal with the likes of Monsanto. I'm trying to avoid anything to do with them like they have the plague if you know what I mean.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 3:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mMMMMm...fresh corn on the cob!!! With melted butter???

ELISI, I believe you and I are on the same wavelength as I had earlier referred to the times I sat with my parents, discussing the Great Depression and how their parents managed to survive without depending on the bread lines. It is what we were taught by our parents that for many, was hidden in the thought processes...and it takes folks like Glenn Beck to encourage folks to take action.

Speaking of bread lines...a family member of mine is volunteering tonight, helping out with serving meals for the homeless. Makes me sad that we have to do this as a society, but it also makes me proud that my family member is doing what they're doing to help others have a nice warm, cooked meal. It's going to be a cold one tonight. I believe they're providing blankets and warm socks for some.

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

...and they're carpooling!

goldenoldie — February 25, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yup with butter Golden..I made some homemade honey butter yesterday that will go great with the the biscuits tonight.

Love to hear about others helping as your family member will be doing tonight. Kudos to them! Proves to me there are many out there that are helping out in their community unlike the reports we hear via the media and those who are sour pusses and think only the government should/can help those less fortunate than ourselves.. or those that think it's all talk and no action from others.

As far as Beck goes in trying to teach others to practice the "stocking" maybe he feels the need to educate those in the cities since so many of our people that go without food are mainly IN the cities with no way to grow their own.

Oh how I wish hubby and son would hurry and finish laying the floor in the laundry room...already sick of hearing power tools

ELISI — February 25, 2012 at 4:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Why are gas prices going up?

Unrest in Egypt, revolution in Syria, Iran getting froggy? Reduced worldwide production? The end of the federal subsidy for ethanol?

Or maybe it's the old supply and demand game. The oil companies have plenty of fuel reserves; they store it so they can drive the price up. The Repubs are against regulation, and the Dems ignore the problem because of the strength of their environmentalist faction.

They're all in it together. The Dems who pointed fingers at G Dub and accused him of catering to his Saudi buddies are now alibiing the rising costs. And the Repubs say it's Obama's fault - gotta be a Moslem conspiracy or sumpin'.

And you want to make a bet on whether the cost of a hybrid or a 4-cylinder car goes up too? Hmmm... Wonder if that will cause the share price of GM stock to rise enough so we can sell it at a profit?

roger — February 25, 2012 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Must be something in the water causing people to make dumb decisions.

Veterans groups around the country are angry with NJ Gov Chris Christie for having flags flown at half mast for Whitney Houston - something usually reserved for fallen veterans and the death of important dignitaries. He also did this last year for Clarence Clemons, of the E Street Band.

And he's already working on alienating the Conservative base that he once was the darling of for fighting the teachers unions. His Romney support tour isn't sitting well with them.

The Repubs are all trying to get the base to compare them to Ronald Reagan. Looks like Barry Goldwater is a closer shot for most.

roger — February 25, 2012 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

With regards to responsible journalism, I came across this article about the deep divide within our political structure, focusing on today's Congress. It's thoughtful, well written and provides great history and remarkable insight as to the divisive groundwork both parties have laid over time. I believe it to be bi-partisan, fair and most definitely worth a look.

**Divided We Stand**

What up roger? *The Repubs are all trying to get the base to compare them to Ronald Reagan.*

Every election, and it gets laughable pretty quick. I was a young buck during the Reaganist Regime, and agree with his policies or not, he brought a measure of respect back to the White House. Carter didn't cut it to well in that dept. Other than that, Reagan was a numbnut.

But at least he seemed principled, worked across the aisle, and carried himself with class and dignity.

These clowns running now have none of the above. I've had a problem with Obama being unprincipled on the policy front, but not with the other two qualities.

I would trade "worked across the aisle" and "carried himself with class and dignity" for being principled any day.


nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I attended a book signing event earlier this evening, and was honored to meet the author of "A LITTLE SEX, A LOT OF DOPE AND AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER" by Cap'n Drift. AKA Drift, fellow basement dweller! Great people, atmosphere and the Bud on tap was decent!

Drift it was good to meet you. Thanks for the signing. I haven't sat down with it yet, but from the excerpts I've read it's going to be good!


Drift is the first basement dweller I've met. If the rest of us are half as cordial and friendly as Drift, we'd be hitting a pretty high mark. Drift my positive empathic vibes were talkin'. Best of luck to you with your book and again, you are most appreciated in this forum.

nailingit — February 25, 2012 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail! It was great meeting you, man!
I had a good time last evening. Maybe too good. My head this morning... Heh (ouch).

I do hope you enjoy the read. Let me know, eh?

Drift — February 26, 2012 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, with my rant last night on why gas prices are going up - I managed to leave out an important player - the commodities traders. Meaning the investment bankers. They already own the fuel reserves I blamed the oil companies for sitting on, and the two work together to maximize profits. And one analysis I ran across says I can't leave Israel out of the discussion. The more they talk about a preemptive strike on Iran, the more the NATO countries and allies tighten embargoes on Iran to try to hold Israel back. Oil prices goes up. Sitting on our own reserves lets the bankers cash in on that rise.

Dodd-Frank and Volker both tried to impose the government regulation we need to control this financial game that costs us billions every year at the pump. Their failure just goes to show who owns our gov't.

roger — February 26, 2012 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, Drift: Any movie deals yet? Your Amazon reviews are enthusiastically positive! Congratulatulations on your book. No small task there. My husband was Vietnam-era Navy brownwater and has been fairly tight-lipped about the experience. Wonder how it compares to yours?

manthou — February 26, 2012 at 7:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Columbian staff: Great job on the "Portrait" special today. It displays much respect for the community you serve and is an excellent summary of its many strengths.

In an time where we spend far too much energy focusing on the negative, this is much-needed look at "what works" in Clark County and a reminder that this is a fantastic place to live and raise a family.

manthou — February 26, 2012 at 7:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

No, manthou, no calls from a producer yet. Heh.
Thank you for the congrats. I wrote the thing at the prodding of folks who'd read some of my short works. I enjoyed doing it enough I'm currently working on a book of shorts -- with a fictional novel rolling around in my mind, for the future.

Our experiences won't compare. I was Navy during the cold war just post Vietnam ('76-'79). The closest I came to attacking the "enemy" was mooning a Russian trawler. Snork.

The Navy was in "transition" at the time, or was shortly after I left. "My" Navy darn sure aint today's. And that's 'prolly for the best ;^)

Drift — February 26, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My ex-/retired Navy friends range from PO6 on up the enlisted ranks. A common topic, when the alcoholic lubricant is applied, tends to be the good old days when they could really initiate those slimy little wogs properly.

Does your book look on those good times as favorably as they remember them? Just wondering.

roger — February 26, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Yeah, I'd say they are favorable memories.
The era bewteen '75 (the end of Vietnam) and '81 I believe were a bit unique. The Navy didn't really implement any sort of drug policy 'til '81. Drug abuse was rampant. Fried Fred (a character in the book) was busted for dope eleven times, and got out with an Honorable Discharge.

Dope aside, we managed our own people. Screw-ups weren't allowed to operate equipment men's lives depended upon. Screw-ups operated brooms and swabs. It wasn't unusual for a screw-up to take a beating should they REALLY screw up.

One simple mistake could well end in a man's death.

The title should make it plain the book isn't for everybody. The language is quite foul (I cuss like a sailor). There are a few scenes that.... well, let's just say it aint your regular "military memoir."

(and, yes, I'm a Shellback)

Drift — February 26, 2012 at 8:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I was watching Alex Witt and guests discussing Santorum's latest bit of lunacy - attacking The Pres for wanting everyone to have the chance to go to college - apparently this is arrogance, because The Pres wants our kids to grow up and be like him. Or some such silliness. Then, a bit later, she had a clip of some GOP hot shot suggesting the need for a brokered convention - which I took to mean they'll shelve all the current batch and pick someone a little saner. Which in turn brought Romney's little dialogue on the trees of Michigan to mind - yep, even he's lost it.

Is it just possible this was the plan all along? To parade the Clown Show around for months - have The Pres and campaign staff get complacent - and then nail them with a heavy hitter in August? Mitch Daniels, maybe? The Economist liked him - said he would have the best chance of fixing the economy.

This freakin' CAPTCHA is run by a bunch of sadists! It was starting to get easier, and now I've got to refresh a zillion times to get to one I can figure out. I bet Matt's behind it all - we've been way too nicey nice with him.

roger — February 26, 2012 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What happened to the 1%? Wonder why big oil & Wall St can't be touched? Everyone rails against the current practice of buying primaries and elections, but no politician is lifting a finger to address people's concerns. Why?

New York, NY - At a time when it's become a cliché to say that Occupy Wall Street has changed the nation's political conversation - drawing long overdue attention to the struggles of the 99 per cent - electoral politics and the 2012 presidential election have become almost exclusively defined by the one per cent. Or, to be more precise, the .000063 per cent. Those are the 196 individual donors who have provided nearly 80 per cent of the money raised by Super PACs in 2011 by giving $100,000 or more each.

No surprises, but worth a looksee.

mrd — February 26, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of Santorum;

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, adding that he was sickened by John F. Kennedy's assurances to Baptist ministers 52 years ago that he would not impose his Catholic faith on them.

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in an interview from Michigan on ABC's "This Week."

"The First Amendment means the free exercise of religion and that means bringing people and their faith into the public square."

Santorum's latest foray into the hot-button, faith-based issues that so fire up the party's evangelical base comes as his chief rival for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney, begins to pull ahead slightly in the state of Michigan, where he was born and raised.

**Talking about pissing off your party, is he REALLY trying to get elected? **

hawkeye — February 26, 2012 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well Howwwwwwdy everyone in Columbianland! I hope you are all experiencing a fantastic Sunday afternoon!!! It's so pretty outside with the sun shining and the clouds passing by. Looks like today and tomorrow just might be the calm before the storm...if NOAA is on the mark. Here's a heads up to make your plans accordingly this week I put in the zip code for Orchards and this is what I received:

(report courtesy of National Weather Service)

goldenoldie — February 26, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have a question for all basement dwelling posters...

What would you do if...your doorbell rings on a Sunday afternoon and upon opening the door you find a woman in her late 20's to early 30's. Dressed in a North face jacket, new designer jeans, hair has been newly frosted, (no dark roots)..tell you she and her daughter are homeless, and she needs $22.00 for a motel room for the night. That she will do work for the money even clean up dog poo.
What would you do?
1. Give her money
2. Have her do work for the money
3. Say no and send her away
4. Offer to feed and house her and her daughter for the night

ELISI — February 26, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Interesting theory about a brokered Republican convention being the goal all along. That is one spectacle I would pay top dollar to view in person.

My Indiana friends hate Daniels, but there are probably more in that state who adore him.

I saw Jeb Bush on TV the other day, complaining about the fringy Republican candidates. Could he be a brokered option, too?


Closer to home (I can't get you guys to talk much about local politics, can I?); I read that the high-rolling Democratic party supporters in this state are hopping mad over the Educational Reform stall in the legislature and are threatening to vote for Rob McKenna.

manthou — February 26, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Boy ELISI, that's a difficult call. Nowadays, when someone knocks at your door panhandling, I would definitely ask her to wait on the porch and contact the police to see if they could help her...and if not, I would contact our local church group immediately to see what could be done to help her and her daughter, but that isn't on the list. I believe she is putting her daughter at risk by going door to door asking for money.

Sounds like she and her child are running away from an abusive situation and are desperate.

goldenoldie — February 26, 2012 at 2:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


how did she get to the door? walk, drive, pubic transportation?

how far is the nearest motel? One with a $22/night rate?

how was her daughter dressed? did she appear clean?

me being a skeptic...........

mrd — February 26, 2012 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Golden, I asked question and IMO didn't get the right answers I was seeking.

mrd, I saw no car, I assumed she walked, but doesn't mean she didn't drive and park elsewhere.
Nearest hotel/motel is about 3-4 blocks away..the $22.00 is what she needed to add to what she already had.
I didn't see a daughter, just her
Yes she was clean. Clean hair etc..

ELISI — February 26, 2012 at 3:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

seeing how I live a thousand feet beyond the end of the county road, I'll play along like when I lived in town.

I'd say get your daughter and we'll whip up a couple plates. If she did return with her daughter, which would surprise me, I would whip 'em up. Before I did anything else, I'd see what I learned while they ate.

Once a skeptic, always a skeptic.

mrd — February 26, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Did she have her daughter with her? If no, then my alarm bells would start going off. Hope you didn't let her in your house - she could be casing it.

Actually, Goldie made a good suggestion - for future reference. Saying you don't have work, but that you know someone with a church group which might be able to help her, would force her hand if she is running a scam. She'd give some excuse and leave.

Without knowing where you're calling from, here's a few phone numbers where help could be available. Just in case you decide to try to help.

roger — February 26, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It was a scam. Plain and simple.

That being said --

A few months back there was a fella walking the block, knocking on doors asking for work. I was trying to get some firewood, in my drive, cut and put away.

-Said I had two hours for him. I asked what he was looking for in pay. He responded I oughta pay him whatever I thought the work was worth when he was done.

I gave him 25 bucks. When he was done. He was glad to have it, I was happy to have the help.

The gal was scamming.

Drift — February 26, 2012 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well as a Christian the first thing when I heard there is a child involved in my mind I wanted to give them food and shelter, but since I have been "taken in" by a few people in the past I learned my lesson and am more of a skeptic and guarded now so this is what I did.

I first asked where her daughter was..

She told me that "friends" were watching her.

I asked if I could give her food...sandwich, take her to get hot food..

She said no thanks we are fine.

I then asked if she needed a ride to wherever..

Again she answered no thanks, I'm fine.

I offered to call anyone, church, police etc to help her out..

Again her answer was no.

I also noticed that she was wearing a wig, due to the fact her hair just didn't look quite right nor did the color match her eyebrows.
So if anyone comes to your door dress somewhat like she is, with a wig on that's an odd dull brown, with frosting..about 6' be on alert.

ELISI — February 26, 2012 at 3:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There are a few names - Jeb Bush is probably one of the better choices, but he isn't the right kind of Repub. Chris Christie has something of a following - though I think his hanging with Romney is hurting him. There are some who are wondering if Joe Scarborough is using his TV show to sell himself. But I'm betting on Daniels - he had some support, but declined to run because he didn't want to put his family through the abuse. But presented with a short 3 month campaign, he may change that tune.


By educational reform, do you mean what our local (Probst?) put forth? Wanting to put more of a focus on higher education that will lead to jobs, instead of liberal arts degrees? And someone else he was expecting to support this is waffling because he says liberal arts develops the critical thinking skills needed for important jobs? (Total BS, by the way - I was a Poli Sci major, and my roomie through college was an English major. Two of the more useless degrees. At least he was able to turn his degree into a job with the Philly library system.)

Sure - I love talking about this stuff. My concern with his plan is the point system for minorities, etc, that will lead to increased funding. These kinds of programs tend to lead to out of state recruitment - which is already attractive to the colleges because they can jack the rates up for those students. And sorry, but I see programs like Minority Studies as being just as useless as Poli Sci. I'd rather see this redirected, in some manner, to focus on in-state kids with the good grades and aptitude test scores that show they could succeed in the technical and other job producing curricula as the target for increased funding.

roger — February 26, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What exactly is the $450 million Ed Reform stall fight all about? The only thing I know is from The Columbian editorial on the 24th, which says it's bad business to delay payment, even for one day, if it means pushing the cost to the next budget cycle. Rep Jim Moeller is raising a stink about this position - accusing The Columbian of being a right wing rag and a few other things. He claims paying the bill on time will mean no health care for the poor. And after that point, he's been getting jumped by Lew Waters and a couple of the other fiscal bulldogs - meaning nothing new has been said.

Rep Moeller is one of those RadLib Dems that I trust as far as I can keep an eye on. I did a little searching, and found a Budget spreadsheet on Gov Gregoire's website. The WA State Health Care Authority provides the services Rep Moeller was saying we'll do without. For each 2 year cycle since 1991, this has been funded at 1/2 to 3/4 million. For 2011-2013, it jumps to 10 3/4 million.

So, what is the Rep carrying on about? Hasn't any of this health care money been paid yet? And if the HCA is down to scraping pennies, then why is our Legislature so willing to spend scarce resources on other silliness? I've got a copy of the Transportation part of 2011-2013. There's a lot of money going to ferries and other projects, but there's also enough built in that I'm wondering where priorities really lie. For example:

$775,000 of the motor vehicle account--state appropriation is provided solely to determine the feasibility of transitioning from the gas tax to a road user assessment system of paying for transportation.

Oh really? We can't pay bills on time, but are OK with stuff like this - when the mothers and babies won't get the health care they need?

Or maybe this is the kind of stuff that had you so pissed of on your return from Oly a couple of weeks back?

roger — February 26, 2012 at 4:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There's a character in Seattle named Goldstein with a nationally respected and quoted website I'm linking to. (Hopefully Matt doesn't delete me because of the name!)

He compares a couple of different polls and concludes that if the election was today, McKenna would easily defeat Inslee. However, on another site, the claim is that Inslee is making a poor showing because no one really knows who he is - that once he starts campaigning the gap will close.

His polling also shows the marijuana initiative being a little ahead, and the gay marriage law staying put - though both are extremely close.

roger — February 26, 2012 at 5:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Don't care for McKenna, that little stunt he pulled 2 years ago, going against Christine, kind of put me off him. His little tirade about suing over the Heath Care proposal was totally out of line.

hawkeye — February 26, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, say Hi to Jay Inslee <<<< Democrat for Governor.

hawkeye — February 26, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*the $22.00 is what she needed to add to what she already had. I didn't see a daughter, just her Yes she was clean. Clean hair etc..*

Being a good Christian I would give her a warm place to stay the night. $22? Of course help her out.

Was she hot?

nailingit — February 26, 2012 at 10:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Was she hot? -- nailingit — February 26, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.

I won't be the one to pass this comment to Elisi. Your name is already mud in her world.

And I think she described the lady as being 6' - if physically proportionate, you might want to be on good behavior. We old guys have to pace ourselves, and wresting with amazons might not be the wisest move.

roger — February 27, 2012 at 5:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*I won't be the one to pass this comment to Elisi. Your name is already mud in her world.*

roger- I had better qualify my statement before the vindictive personal attacks begin from those who say they're Christian. It wasn't intended to get elisi started, just humor.

Signed- Happy to be muddied. :))

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Being a good Christian I would give her a warm place to stay the night. $22? Of course help her out.
Was she hot?*

Nice try, but no, not going to work with me.
Does twisting the wording to make fun then add a little zinger to push the point give you a high in someway? Do not come back and say to "lighten up" that you were just having fun.. I am finding that most liberals like you, cry out for help and justice for those less fortunate but yet take great pleasure in demeaning them.

Another point for the classless waste of human skin side.

ELISI — February 27, 2012 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of those who profess Christianity, somebody throw Dick a barf bag and a copy of the Constitution. People of faith include Muslim. Buddhism, Mormonism etc., but not in Wacky World.

Santorum's beliefs are a prime example of the religious right and they're pursuit to turn America away from democracy, and turn our government into a theocracy. They want their version of Sharia Law. Conservatives in government are dangerous and threaten the very foundation that our country was founded on. God bless Santorum. Most of these guys keep their mouths shut in order to deceive till they get in office.
Santorum just keeps 'frothing' at the mouth!

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state are absolute," he told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. "The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up."

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Another point for the classless waste of human skin side.*

This is why so many are turned off on those who claim to be Christians. Because many who say they are Christian, live speak and behave the opposite of the basic tenets Jesus gave to his followers. Kindness still is paramount for most in this world, I've found that so-called conservative Christians tend to display this quality the least.

"Forgive them father, for they know not what they do."

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The Lord tells us to "turn the other cheek" and also "NOT to be anyone's doormat"

So I am exercising my right NOT to be a doormat!

ELISI — February 27, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another thing, if you think that God wants us to stand in the corner quiet and cowering like field mice you are so very, very wrong.

Or ten steps behind you, you are very, very wrong.

ELISI — February 27, 2012 at 8:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

By the way nailingit, you go and have yourself a great day today.

I know I am

ELISI — February 27, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Justifying ungodly actions are paramount in today's Christian world. It gives them license to not only "sin", but to tear apart those they disagree with, without mercy. Religion can stunt many from dealing with life issues such as abuse and poor upbringing. Causing them to lead a life entrenched with bigotry, racism and hate. Put a Jesus stamp on it and it becomes the way of the church!

God bless you elisi. I'll tell you what I tell my kids when they are unkind.

Treat others as you want to be treated.

*Another point for the classless waste of human skin side.*

elisi- Not how Jesus, Mohamed, Buddah, Brigham (well maybe Brigham, but he was a dude!) would address someone. Just someone very unhappy with much displaced anxiety. Most of the time I let your ugly comments slide by (but I'm only on my first cup of jo!). You are one of three of four that bust a nut tromping on people with ugly uncalled for remarks. Because you're past 60, female and say you attend church doesn't give you special rights to insult.

*Another point for the classless waste of human skin side.*

You might want to re-think the word "classless", and turn it inward.

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit, enough with the religious attacks. You should know better than to equate Rick Santorum's beliefs and ideologies with the thoughts of all Christians around the nation or world. You are certainly welcome to disagree with religious figures and to share those views. But to use those views as a springboard for all of your attacks is disingenuous at best, and hurtful at worst.

At this point, you're not pushing the conversation forward at all. It's not productive, and it's against our community guidelines.

And elisi, when you see attacks, the best way to not be a doormat is NOT to respond. Instead, use the button below the post to flag it, and I'll take the appropriate action.

Matt Wastradowski — February 27, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey dad...please explain...

*You should know better than to equate Rick Santorum's beliefs and ideologies with the thoughts of all Christians around the nation or world.*

Where and when did I say that? And Santorum's views represent the conservative right. Why jump in now?

Explain it.

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just because a posters is whining on your e-mail, you take this action? Why don't you jump in when posters are vilifying Islam?

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I made no personal attacks, yet...

*against our community guidelines.*

Really? Because I expose an example of conservative hypocrisy...

Censorship takes on a whole new meaning. Setting this up for future ban?

People name call, insult, try to get more than personal, yet when attacks on a personal level are met with pointing out hypocrisy, it's against community wow!!!

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You should address this Matt. Instead of a "write by", expound.

Criticism of hypocrisy is banned? Of Christianity?

*you're not pushing the conversation forward at all. It's not productive, and it's against our community guidelines.*

Will you be getting rid of Face Book soon? Soooo...if you feel the conversation is not "productive", and being "pushed forward", you will censor?


nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 9:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Matt- Please take your response to current forum, let's continue it there.

nailingit — February 27, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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