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Gooooood Morning all.

It looks like Rush has become a liability to the GOP. It seems it wasn't that long ago that he was bandied about to be their chairman. Good going Rush and keep up the good work.

Obama will need all the help he can get.

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JohnCasey — March 5, 2012 at 6:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think a lot of Republicans have already thrown in the towel for this election and they have nothing to lose, such as Rush. Romneys message, I am rich, and if you follow my easy to follow principles, you can be rich too can't fool enough voters. The Republicans are toast this time around.

normseubert — March 5, 2012 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I wouldn't jump to be so smug about the election if I were you.
Strange things do happen. Remember (if you are old enough) the election between Johnson and Goldwater.
Most thought Goldwater would win by a landslide, well it didn't end that way.
Johnson won by the highest landslide by a candidate since 1820.
It was either the fifth or sixth most lopsided presidential election in the history of this country.
No one saw that one coming.
If it happened then, there is a possibility of it happening again. Not say it will, but a possibility, one never knows for sure till the last ballot is counted.

ELISI — March 5, 2012 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

John- I think rush has been a GOP liability for years and the chickens are coming home to roost. He does nothing but cheapen what should be honest political discourse.

norm-Dems could still screw this election up. GOP messaging and the mouths that produce it are helping big time. Voter suppression doesn't seem to be coming from re-districting or changing voting requirements as the GOP has done. The republican candidates are producing it. :)

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

it's a sad state of affairs when entertainers specializing in extreme talk radio-either way-can influence so many folks. while I've heard Rush et al a few times, i find him somewhat entertaining, but comical.

mrd — March 5, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

On religion -- one man's opinion.

(Warning there's an "F-Bomb" toward the end)

I get goose bumps everytime I watch this.
I'll also divulge I've a rendition of the Sun tattooed on my chest, a daughter named Starla nad another named Sunny.

No, I do not pray to Ra.

Drift — March 5, 2012 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- Powerful video with amazing visuals. I think that's Rutger Hauer in Blade Runner @ 4 minutes!

The relevance of the seemingly obscure. We're all in this together!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

normseubert — March 5, 2012 at 6:55 a.m

I don't think that being rich, for Romney, is going to be his downfall. If he wins the nomination, I think it's going to be a tossup between rich and being Mormon. Those are two different things that put off two or three different groups. Being that most voters these days look at "the lesser of two evils", I think this is going to put Romney on the lesser side of the lessers.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A sad note on the musical front. Not to date myself but I saw 'Montrose' right before/after they came out with their first album. They were second billed to Black Oak Arkansas. No one new this guy or had heard anything about him. He blew the place away with a performance I'll never forget. He did the Jimmy Page theremin thing accompanied with lasers on a chrome guitar which shot into various mirrored objects. Amazing artistry with amazing playing.

Black Oak Arkansas followed and I left during the third song, preferring to be saturated with Montrose while watching trees melt.

WEDGE: Was there any particular band or gig you went to that influenced you more than anything else?

RM: I would say seeing the original Yardbirds with Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page at the old Fillmore was a pretty powerful influence on me. Seeing Cream at Winterland was very powerful for me. Hendrix obviously was without peer, those early bands, that kind of stuff. I much more liked the Yardbirds with Beck and Page than I did the live Zeppelin things even though, in my opinion, Jimmy Page is the most prolific "guitar riff writer" to have ever lived on this planet. A lot of people have slagged him for not being the greatest live player but no one has written more identifiable guitar riffs! Man!...when you think about all the beautiful riffs that he's of the best.

This cat put the fun in playing electric guitar. You'll be missed Ronnie! You are loved!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 9:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.

So does that mean you are a Clapton fan as well?

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A big fan hawk. I haven't seen him perform live and would love to.

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 10:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit -- "Black Oak Arkansas followed and I left during the third song...."

What took so long? They didn't have 3 songs worth sitting through!

Oh. Took a while to process from thought to action. OK.

roger — March 5, 2012 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A favorite Clapton solo album is the soundtrack from the movie 'Rush'. A little obscure but produced the much played 'Tears From Heaven'. The rest is bluesy blues with some funk & this n that. Incredible overall recording. Great movie also!

I liked liked him best with Cream. After he got out of rehab he wasn't the same. I think he's overcome the perils of rehab to some degree and is one of the top all time!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Exactly! After experiencing genius, Jim Dandy came strutting onto the stage in leotards with something stuffed in his crotch, singing "Jim Dandy To The Rescue"! AHHH! I thought their first album to be worthy and was looking forward to seeing them. It took me a few songs time to locate a friend I came with, and it was adios Jim Dandy!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I saw Clapton with the Yardbirds, then with Cream. Unbelievable.
Never seen anything like him since. Loved "Tears from Heaven". Hated the reason behind it.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- Wow! Those have to be treasured memories! And yeah, the tears in heaven moment was an extreme bummer. His soul is in that tune...what an artist! Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce, no one better on drums and bass. All time legends also!

When you start thinking of who were the influential musical artists of this genre, it's amazing how many are from across the water! England has always had it going on musically.

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I saw the Beatles here at the Memorial Coliseum in 66, couldn't hear them (girls screaming) but it was cool anyway. I kept thinking to myself, "don't you people know what you are missing? STFU" Oh well.

The last GOOD concert I went to was Bob Dylan/ Paul Simon. Bob came on first and he's so worn out, it was really hard to understand him. He was 90% through Mr. Tambourine Man before I figured out what it was. But when Paul Simon came on, he blew the room away. What an incredible entertainer.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 12:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I got a response from Commissioner Tom.
Two, actually- - CC'd to a Axel Swanson and Linda Roberts.

In the first mail he glazes over his opinion of medicinal cannabis citing a couple of friends and doctors. Maybe my poking will give him cause to do his -own- research. Yeah... I can hope though, right?

He again mentions collective gardens putting county employees at risk.

I got a second mail a few moments later. In it he writes, on the first pass, he missed my question about the county's authority in the matter. He states the governor and the legislature mandated the county regualte the afore mentioned gardens.

I replied asking where I might find that mandate. A response will be interesting -- to my knowledge no such mandate exists.

Normally, I'd feel a bit catty about talking of this exchange here. Oh, I wouldn't hesitate to post them on my blog, but this seems almost a touch "behind the back."

"This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject to public disclosure under state law."

Course, it looks like any and everyone has access to the exchange *shrug*.

Drift — March 5, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


More of Rush Limbaugh's advertisers say they are dropping his program after the conservative talk show host's derogatory comments about a Georgetown law student.

On Monday, AOL Inc. and Tax Resolution Services Co. were the eighth and ninth companies to say that they will suspend advertising on Limbaugh's program, one of the most popular radio shows in the country.

Limbaugh last week called student Sandra Fluke a "slut" and "prostitute" after she testified to congressional Democrats in support of their national health care policy that would compel her Jesuit college's health plan to cover her birth control.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Hawkeye check this one out....
I would give you a link to this sick minded person's rant, but it's too disgusting. So if you want to hear it first hand you'll have to look it up yourself. I first heard about this on Lars Larson radio show today. I cleaned up what was said below, or I'd get ban.

*Lets see how many ads are targeted to be pulled from this disgusting piece by left wing Mike Malloy’s radio show. Maybe some outrage from those people who actually have empathy for the tornado victims in states like Indiana, Kentucky, Georgia, etc. Yes, according to a “peace loving” leftist like Mike Malloy, “their god” keeps smashing them into little “grease spots.” Really classy, and really progressive.*

ELISI — March 5, 2012 at 4:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

in my opinion, all these "entertainers' need to be pulled. Sorry, I do not listen to any of them on either the right or the left side. Yea, that goes for Howard Stern also who is too slimy for my taste. Always has been, even 20 years ago.

Having said all that, this Rush thingy is not a left or right issue. For me it is just an issue with a very awful and very powerful person who opened his mouth too wide and said terrible things. And for that, he deserves to go off the air. He was too disgusting. Don't you also agree that he should be criticized and/or boycotted? And if he voices the opinion of many that happen to be on the political side that I disagree with, should that influence my thinking? Or should I just go by overall disgust?
Badly worded today-I think I am tired.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I totally agree they are disgusting. What both Rush and Mike Malloy said has nothing to do with a politics. I was simply pointing out that there are those disgusting individuals on both sides of the coin. Neither side is immune. I would have never known about this rant about the tornado victims if my son hadn't have had Lars Larson show on in the car today.

IMO what Malloy said is much more in bad taste than what Rush said. I just wonder how many sponsors Malloy will lose and why the media hasn't ran with this like they did Rush's rants?
The lady that Rush ranted about is alive and can defend herself, who will speak up for those who died in the tornadoes?

ELISI — March 5, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI & Luv,

These guys don't deserve air time and they don't deserve my time. That goes for Lars as well. These hate and disgust vendors have no place in my life, I don't care if they are "right" or "left", the thing is, they are extreme or they wouldn't be on the air. People that listen to them are sheep and need to follow someone and someone extreme is easier because of their status and charisma. A guy named Hitler comes to mind.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Exactly Hawk!
People should not listen to them but I do wonder what type of person does.....
Elisi, I am not sure I can say one or the other was worse or in worse taste or dumber. That's a matter of opinion and some will say A and some will say B... **In my opinion**. I find it disgusting either way. But without certain people listening, these dudes would be off the air really fast. They are pandering to the lowest.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift: Sounds like Tom Mielke put some thought into the reply he sent you. Very good!

Loved the video you posted!

manthou — March 5, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A litmus test for hypocrisy...amazing stuff!

**South Carolina's Party of Purity: No Sex Before Marriage. And No Porn. Ever.**

Anyone who wants to run for office as a Republican in one South Carolina county must pledge to live - and promise to have always lived -- a pretty tame life.

According to new rules just adopted by the Laurens County GOP, no candidate will wind up on the primary ballot who hasn't passed a purity test.

Call it the Puritan provision.

And those oaths above, The Chronicle reported, are just a few of 28 different pledges candidates must swear to uphold if they want to hold office under the banner of the Republican Party in Laurens County - a town famous for its Ku Klux Klan museum, which served as the headquarters of the American Nazi Party's nominee for president in 2008.

read more @

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 5:54 PM: They forgot to add this:

"I pledge not to marry my cousin or sibling."

Seems like there was a lotta family luvin' going on in SC, which is the only explanation I have for this whackado rule.


manthou — March 5, 2012 at 6:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit and hawkeye,

I saw Derek & Dominoes with both Eric and Duane in the fall of '70. Very good concert; it was at The Spectrum in Philly.

In fact - I think where the concert plays is as important as anything. The old Spectrum had some of the best accoustics on the East Coast, and most of my favorite concerts were seen there during the '70 to '73 period.

Savoy Brown and Dr John, the Derek & Dominos tour and Johnny Winter And - all three in late '70. I wasn't very familiar with Johnny before then - went because Rick Derringer was in a new band that was supposed to be pretty good. That was a major understatement.

Saw a weird combination in the summer of '71 that turned out good - Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper and Humble Pie. Sabbath ruled, but Alice surprisingly held their own. I think this was the concert where I had a run-in with Philly's finest and almost didn't see anything except a cell. (A fight started, and they left me to get in on that instead.)

Summer of '72 was Zeppelin - a very long and very good set up through Houses of the Holy. No back-up band needed.

Late spring or early summer of '73 - went back for another Johnny Winter show, and Foghat was their backup - two of the best boogie bands ever at the same time!!

And you know what? I don't think I paid more than about $6.00 for any of these shows!

roger — March 5, 2012 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye and luvithere,

I'll listen to Lars Larson once in awhile, in the car when out n about doing errands. He does have some good info at times like today about CRC, our mayor.

I must agree, those like Rush and Malloy need to be removed from the air waves.

Sad to say the days of Huntley, Brinkley, and Cronkite journalism are gone.

ELISI — March 5, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"I pledge not to marry my cousin or sibling." -- manthou — March 5, 2012 at 6:05 p.m.

Manthou, I am shocked you'd say this about the fine people of South Carolina.

You've got them confused with West Virginia and Kentucky.

roger — March 5, 2012 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

South Carolina...
one of my fave authors, Richard North Patterson, wrote a book called "The Race". This is about a presidential race and the political shenanigans of SC are prominently featured. I truly recommend reading it this year! Might be fiction but the behind the scenes knowledge of the author is amazing.

Nail et al. I saw Eric Clapton in LA before in Dodger stadium, say about 23 years ago. Also present Elton John and a few others. 7 hours of nonstop wow. Eric came on late and he went to work on that guitar. Unbelievable! I do not think we paid more than 20 bucks for all of these people.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I also saw Neil Diamond three times in my life. And I proudly admit to it.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift - Have you seen Rachel Maddow's new book?

Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power

Here's an excerpt:

langenthal — March 5, 2012 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hot August Night is a GREAT album. I'm an old metal head, but talent crosses all genres.

The Righteous Brothers was (were?) another in that category - fantastic vocalists.

roger — March 5, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think two of my favorite concerts were Dire Straits in L.A. at the amphitheater and Moody Blues here at the Rose Garden. Both were great shows. I did go to see Gordon Lightfoot once in Portland but the show sucked because he was really drunk. Also, I used to go see Harry Chapin every year before he died, he gave most of the gate to charity but put on a really good show.

Luv, I would have enjoyed Neil Diamond, always a great show.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I took my 16 yr old girl to see Neil last time, here n PDX-first she complained about having to go,sitting with nothing but old people, next thing I know she swayed and sang "Sweet Caroline" and had a great time. Going: "Hey I KNOW these songs."
I also introduced her to Bruce Springsteen; always great in concert.
I saw Ted Nugent MANY years ago in open air all day concert. He was so, hm, enthusiastic, he fell of the stage. That was great.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit,roger,hawk,music lovers- Quite a few bands bypassed my little patch in the desert but we still got a lot of great shows. I'm a big fan of Leon Russell, and to this day it's my 2nd favorite concert all time. The sight of Leon Jumping up on his black baby grand with a black Custom Les Paul jamming to Jumping Jack Flash/Young Blood medley, while I'm standing within 15 feet from his beautiful back up Gospel vocalists...Insane! The maddest of the Mad Dogs and Englishmen.

Number 1- As much as I love Leon, No band trumped Pink Floyd in my personal listening sphere, except Jimi and a few guitar heavy's like Winter, Lee, Trower, come to think of it it's still that way today! I was privileged to have seen 'The Pink Floyd' on their first Dark Side Of The Moon Tour. To be short, (I could spend way to much time on this!) They did the album with visual displays way ahead of their time (to include a rocket ship crashing into the stage). For the encore 'Echoes' from the album Meddle. Good times! But I had to travel to Phoenix to see them. As a band I enjoy no other more than Pink Floyd. David Gilmour's playing/musicality is still breathtaking. Fun to talk about this stuff!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 9:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, it's a great change from usual political talk.

Anybody ever go to a Greatful Dead concert? Afterwards, I was sitting in my car wondering why I felt so...happy..slow..tired..peaceful, at one with the world. And no, I did not. The air alone in that place did it. Lordy, that was something.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I missed the Dead! :( Not a huge fan but I enjoyed their music, the people, and the vibe the Dead exuded. Like Zappa on downers!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 9:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

oh I saw him, too. A bit too weird for me, but if I remember correctly (saw him in the 70s), the air was kinda the same as at the GD concert.

luvithere — March 5, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I don't know, nail. Pink Floyd is an amazing group and I could listen to Dark Side for hours but for my money, it's hard to beat Freddie Mercury. What an incredible voice and what an amazing show. Queen had it all.

hawkeye — March 5, 2012 at 10:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- I never had the honor of seeing Queen. Brain May is incredible and as for Freddy, yeah! I've seen footage and Freddy put on quite a show. Insane voice. So many so talented so dead so young. :((

In the whole scheme of things I know a few years doesn't amount to much but... would have been nice to see Jimi, Janice, Stevie Ray and so many others today. I think Morrison would have found a way to die young no matter what and I'm thankful we had him while we did. Hendrix was so far ahead of his time...I wonder what he's playing today. Some knowledge only comes with the dissolution of the body.

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 10:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit- In your honor!

nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 11:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"No band trumped Pink Floyd in my personal listening sphere...." -- nailingit — March 5, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.

Saw Pink Floyd at Univ of Penn the fall of '71 - my buddy got student tickets, so it was free for me!! They played their older stuff (it was pre-Dark Side) - Set The Controls, One of These Days, Careful With That Axe Eugene - blew me away!!! I didn't know much about them, other than someone else I knew had Atom Heart, which I found boring. But when I told him about this concert he loaned me Ummagumma - and I'm pretty sure I never returned it!! (Sorry, Carl. Not Really.)

roger — March 6, 2012 at 5:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

If you like your rock on the harder side, Judas Priest is one of the best ever. '80's British Steel and '82's Sad Wings of Destiny have some classic music that turned millions (to include me) into metal heads. Glen Tipton and KK Downing, with their twin lead guitars, were brilliant.

roger — March 6, 2012 at 5:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I used to listen to RL back in the late 80's. While people I knew thought he was the real deal I thought he was comical. It was and still is all schtick as far as I'm concerned. The political pundits, television talk show hosts and radio disk jockeys wouldn't have an audience if they were just deadpanning it. Even news personalities have to have an edge. Even when commenting on the weather.

I was listening to Piers last night. He was interviewing a repub and she said it was pretty much OK for Rush to do what he did. So Nail, I think you are correct in saying that he's been a liability for some time now. But what's even worse is when someone of the SAME party agrees with him and get mad, to boot, about someone from the other party doing the same thing.

My favorite concert is my next one. I've been to a lot of them over the years. My last one was in the Gorge. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, with The Black Crows opening. Sounded great and smelled good too.

JohnCasey — March 6, 2012 at 6:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This Huff Post article fits the "now I've heard everything" category. Too bad Lou and Matt have banned most that would have made the most stupid but entertaining comments about this.|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D140649

"And so it was, at a cocktail party in 1969, that she met Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, who had arrived in the country two years earlier after marrying her second husband, Indonesian Lolo Soetoro. Dunham was so impressed by Evie's beef steak and fried rice that she offered her a job in the family home. It didn't take long before Evie also was 8-year-old Barry's caretaker, playing with him and bringing him to and from school.

Neighbors recalled that they often saw Evie leave the house in the evening fully made up and dressed in drag. But she says it's doubtful Barry ever knew.

"He was so young," says Evie. "And I never let him see me wearing women's clothes. But he did see me trying on his mother's lipstick, sometimes. That used to really crack him up."

roger — March 6, 2012 at 6:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JohnCasey — March 6, 2012 at 6:16 a.m.,

I would listen to Rush on 570 KVI while driving back in the mid '90s. I also found him entertaining, with an occasional "he's right" when he said something like "follow the money trail." But he also preached not having to learn the issues for yourself - just listen to him. And when I started hearing people repeating his arguments....

But no matter what one thinks of him, Rush served a (to me) valuable purpose. People started having opinions about what our government was doing. And whether we like where this went or not, it's better than the apathy that dominated the late '70s and '80s.

roger — March 6, 2012 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal — March 5, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.

That's the first I've heard of the book.
Interesting title.

Drift — March 6, 2012 at 6:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone else going to the Chickenfoot concert in June?

ELISI — March 6, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Got a chuckle out of Thomas Sowell's column. I really hope the R's have something better to run on this fall. His premise is 4 more years of Obama puts the country's future, actually all of Western civilization in danger. Doesn't say why, just that it will happen. He goes further to say Newt has the best chance of taking on Obama in the debates-as if these made for TV things resemble a debate. Even with "enough baggage to fill a commercial airliner", it sounds as though he a newtonian.
Can you imagine the attacks if Obama had such baggage? Why the family value boys would come unglued. But for one of their own-no biggee. I truly think the R's don't really care if they win the White House. Today's politicians would rather attack the other guys than lead, so what's the big deal about winning the White House? Obama has, to some extent, followed Bush's lead, so why win when you can sit back, virtually blameless, and point fingers?

mrd — March 6, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Have you thought that maybe, just maybe the R candidates are just fodder to take the attention away from what they truly are after?

ELISI — March 6, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 5:31- Pre Dark Side is what I listen to the most. Ummagumma all time favorite!! I would have loved to have seen them in 71! Rumor in my town was that part of Floyd's stage act at the time included a quad amputee inside a burlap sack who would jostle once in awhile during the show. Towards the end they would play 'Careful With That Axe Eugene' and the guy would wriggle out of the sack. Did they do this or did you hear anything about it?

John @ 6:16- *My favorite concert is my next one.* I hear you! I hadn't been to a show in a number of years until 2010 and was blessed with Carol King/James Taylor. Their first reunion in about 140 years, playing the Rose Garden in their first concert stateside. To see these two together was a dream come true for me. They didn't disappoint!

I haven't seen Petty, (would like to) but saw The Black Crowes in a small venue right after their first album release. Loud and most excellent!

elisi @ 7:32 Should be a great show. Can't go wrong with Satch on lead and decent vocals with Hagar (I didn't mention yesterday that Sammy Hagar was vocalist for 'Montrose' when I saw them).

nailingit — March 6, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My question about Rush is this. How can the independent networks keep him on the air but they can kick Don Imus off? Both have said insensitive remarks about people. The public got a lot madder about Don remarks than anything said by Rush. And Rush has done this a lot more than Don. And Don went the extra mile in his apology. He had the team on his show to apologize.

I see only two stations have dropped Rush's show now.

JohnCasey — March 6, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, when Petty came out after the Black Crowes he commented on the most excellent smell coming from the front row. Said he wished he'd come out sooner. It was a warm August night. But they quit selling beer way to early to the masses. If you were in the expensive part of the venue you got to order till the break though. A little unfair though, I thought.

The really funny thing was no matter how hard the searched people (hat bands, socks, pockets an all) the placed reeked of reefer. You definitely got a contact high.

JohnCasey — March 6, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

John- *The really funny thing was no matter how hard the searched people (hat bands, socks, pockets an all) the placed reeked of reefer. You definitely got a contact high.*

For reasons beyond my control I'm more times than not singled out for extended searches. At a concert or airport I can usually count on it. I haven't had long hair since the 'Streets of San Francisco' went off the air, and the couple of tats I have don't scream at people unless I'm sleeveless. I think somehow authority senses contempt for authority, how I don't know. Like barnacles on a rock. :)

nailingit — March 6, 2012 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Have you thought that maybe, just maybe the R candidates are just fodder to take the attention away from what they truly are after?

Not sure what you mean by "what they truly are after".

It seems both parties realize Wash DC is totally dysfunctional. So each knows the only way to get anything thru is by having both majorities in Congress + the White House, that seems to be the ticket nowdays. That's what I think both parties are after.
The R's had it with Bush, the D's had it for Obama's first half, now with somewhat of a split, nothing substatial will come out of Congress, in fact, little is expected until after the elections. So realistically, a whole year is going down the tubes. I'm sure the entertainment will be good when the debt ceiling re-surfaces. Entertaining in a Rush Limbaugh sort of way.
It's a shame the R's, for whatever reason, had to field a bunch of duds. With dismal approval ratings in DC, the economy sucking, the drums of war beating, it seems that somewhere out there there would be a moderate R that could challenge Obama. Even by losing, a good challenge might push the agenda and discussion in a better direction, but I'm afraid we'll never know. I do agree with one point Sowell made in his column. I'm also curious, in a cautious sort of way, how Obama will do given his final 4 years, he will be very free to operate as he wishes. Re-election is obviously not a concern or impediment. Clinton made it difficult for Gore, maybe Obama won't do the same-we'll see.

mrd — March 6, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of Extremism.. Comparing Lars to hitler, really... You should listen to him sometime... He jhas some great guests, and no there not all right wing extremists. But like many on this forum, unless you have listened enough how can you pass judgement and if you have listened enough the I believe your not as ignorant as you sound... Ignorance is not educated nor Bliss.

vanwadreamer — March 6, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And we're back to the news;

To date, more than a dozen companies have pulled sponsorships including AOL, Tax Reform, ProFlowers, Quicken Loans, Sleep Number, The Sleep Train, Citrix, LegalZoom and Carbonite. Hawaiian radio station KPUA ended its support of Limbaugh and dropped his show, which is broadcast across more than 600 markets, reaching between 13 million and 20 million weekly listeners.

The reaction from the growing number of advertisers that have pulled their ads stems largely from consumer comments made in social media circles, says Brad Adgate, SVP of Horizon Media. "Consumers can now directly talk to sponsors and advertisers, one-on-one…. It is no longer a top-down approach where marketers tell consumers what to think. It is now a level playing field and consumers can tell marketers what they think," Adgate notes. "This is a great opportunity for consumers to voice their opinion" and voice their opinion they did.

vanwadreamer — March 6, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.

"Comparing Lars to hitler, really... You should listen to him sometime."

Sounds like you have already been wooed. I just meant guys "like" him, Rush, etc., can at times instill a sense of belonging to a group. Regardless of whether the group is good or bad, they have a way to suck you in. All they have to do is say the right words, lean your way a little, be your friend and you're in.

hawkeye — March 6, 2012 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just saying!
Wooed versus entertainement vs reality.. One might want to check all three at the door before we open it... I have listened to Rush a couple times to hear what he was saying on a particular subject.. Not a fan of his at all because he is certainly in my opinion way out there on many fronts. One must take in many facets of the media from the printed word to the Visual view that is in front of our faces in order to make an educated opinion of what you believe. We all have opinions and they should be valued but using extreme conatations by comparing people so disgusting as Hitler to someone that is running for office or using there media voice to present there views does not get my vote or time.

vanwadreamer — March 6, 2012 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***speaking of the bridge-doggle,***

SECTION 33 RECALL OF ELECTIVE OFFICERS. Every elective public officer of the state of Washington expect [except] judges of courts of record is subject to recall and discharge by the legal voters of the state, or of the political subdivision of the state, from which he was elected whenever a petition demanding his recall, reciting that such officer has committed some act or acts of malfeasance or misfeasance while in office, or who has violated his oath of office, stating the matters complained of, signed by the percentages of the qualified electors thereof, hereinafter provided, the percentage required to be computed from the total number of votes cast for all candidates for his said office to which he was elected at the preceding election, is filed with the officer with whom a petition for nomination, or certificate for nomination, to such office must be filed under the laws of this state, and the same officer shall call a special election as provided by the general election laws of this state, and the result determined as therein provided. [AMENDMENT 8, 1911 p 504 Section 1. Approved November 1912.]

DeeLittle — March 6, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

WASHINGTON (AP) - Newt Gingrich notched a home-field primary win in Georgia, and Mitt Romney moved ahead in Virginia and Vermont as Republican presidential rivals battled coast to coast in a 10-state Super Tuesday showdown.

More than 400 delegates were at stake on the busiest day by far of the race to pick an opponent to President Barack Obama in the fall.

Gingrich's victory was his first since he captured the South Carolina primary on Jan. 21, and he said it would propel him on yet another comeback in a race where he has faded badly over the past six weeks.

***YUP, that and $3 will get you a cup of coffee!***

hawkeye — March 6, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A belated thanks to Nail for the Neil song. I think this is an older concert, yes? he sounds the same today - and he fills the house still. Concert at PDX was full for sure. And a loud audience.

luvithere — March 6, 2012 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Your very welcome luvit. I think it was from 1987.


**Edward Lampert, Sears Holdings Chairman, Buys $40 Million Private Island Home As Sears Shutters Stores**

The billionaire hedge fund manager and chairman of Sears Holdings Corp. is reportedly set to close on a $40 million estate with seven bedrooms and Versailles-style reflection pools on Indian Creek Island, north of Miami. Meanwhile Sears is selling off 1,200 stores and closing 100 to 120 for good, with Florida seeing the most closings of any state.

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nailingit — March 6, 2012 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***Another powerhouse state heard from***

Santorum Wins Tennessee, Networks Report

Rick Santorum easily defeated Mitt Romney on Tuesday in Tennessee, according to several news networks, a southern victory that will help him make the case for continuing to Mr. Romney for the Republican presidential nomination.

Mr. Santorum’s victory over Mr. Romney in the state was reported by CNN and NBC.

Mr. Santorum’s campaign had focused much of its attention in the past week on Ohio. But with Mr. Romney all-but certain to capture several other states, Mr. Santorum had also pushed hard for wins in the South.

hawkeye — March 6, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 6, 2012 at 6 p.m

I hope he gets (denied) hurricane insurance.

hawkeye — March 6, 2012 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye- He probably owns a few Insurance companies. I can see why he might be a little paranoid and want his own island. I'd forgotten this happened. Quite a story! To include a kidnapping, a pizza, and some not to bright kidnappers.

If he would only do right by the American first look he reminds me of a Gekko or a Romney.

nailingit — March 6, 2012 at 8:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have a question for folks dead set against any Republicans becoming president and have no problems stating their opinions on the matter:

Why is it you find the need to throw irons into the fire about how these guys are doing during the primary election/caucuses and wish negative thoughts regarding them as well as trying to find as much dirt as you possibly can on any one of these guys??? Have they directly affected your lives? Do you have a bit of apprehensive feelings as to how they will do, facing President Obama in November??? As far as I'm concerned, you're doing more harm than good when it comes to showing your political preference. All you're doing is muddying the waters. Stick to the facts. Forget the mudslinging, guys.

DeeLittle @ 2:16 pm...

Good reminder for all of us to keep an even closer watch on our powers that be.

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


for some people, mud is all they have.

i'm beginning to think we need to investigate *seriously* the option of recalling the city council, or that part of it that keeps denying the will of the people with this idiot-parade known as the crc.

DeeLittle — March 7, 2012 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- Good morning! Casting general aspersions muddy things up far more than pointing out these much much flawed Republican candidates screw ups. Please be specific if you take exception so it can be addressed. Honest debate and political preference are well matched bookends.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 7:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Colbert's Super Tuesday Party: Transvaginal Ultrasound Margaritas & Republican Salsa (VIDEO)**

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney's win in Ohio should further solidify his ultimate candidacy. But how can he appeal to social conservatives in the general election? I kind of doubt if he is going to come out in favor of ultrasound mandates for pregnant women.

normseubert — March 7, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Goldie, ever noticed how the basement whine cellar, has its own version of Howard Stern?

(No need to respond. I already know your answer).

kn_dalai — March 7, 2012 at 8:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


More like Rush Limbaugh

ELISI — March 7, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Have they directly affected your lives?"

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 6:28 a.m

No, not YET, but they might. I'm really not concerned that one of the final four might beat the current President, there isn't one in the bunch that has the ability to pull the country together.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle, how true!!!


Nailingit...a bit touchy this mornin' are ya??? Hope you had your cuppa java or tea and thought about what I said. Not meanin' to stir things up. It's just an observation of mine that I thought I'd share. I absolutely agree with you that "Honest Debate and Political Preference are well-matched bookends" as long as one of those bookends aren't knocked off the debate shelf with dirty tricks....right???

.. definitely got a chuckle out of me with your comment...8)


Hawkeye...I believe you do have a bit of apprehension with the "what if" scenario...and I agree. There isn't one in the bunch that has the ability to pull the country together...not from any direction if you know what I mean. Whoever ends up with the next four years will disappoint some and please others and either way...he's got a helluva job ahead of him! Just could've been Sarah you know who. Here's a thought...GWB could have actually run for a final four this year.

Four More Years! Four more years!!!

Oh Lordie - NOT four more years puhleeeeeease!!! It's time for a POSITIVE change....not just any change.

Anyhow DeeLittle, Hawkeye, Kn-dalai, Nailingit, and everyone else...enjoy this wonderful and sunny/springlike day! I'm catchin' some natural Vitamin D today on my patio. Our regular rainy and cold weather will return this weekend...possible lower snow levels again on Monday...dang that Punxsutawney Phil!!! When he's right...he's right.

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Like many of the 99% that have issues with wealthy people what’s your beef with Romney? It seems as if any R candidate with any amount of money is Evil to you and others. It's just something the left and left wing media have made it into some kind of firestorm. Anytime I hear the occupy folks or anyone else rail about the wealthy I tune them out because of the narrow minded self interest. I don't care what a candidate has or doesn't have financially, religiously or otherwise, if they are adept at being able to create jobs, manage our economy better and even possibly balance the budget by spending less and cutting back on government intervention in our lives.
We currently have a president who has never held a job outside of a government job. Never had to manage people let alone a business. Wether it be santorum or Romney or someone yet who hasn't thrown there hat into the ring with we can't have 4 more years with this president. I guess the word trust comes to mind and I just don't TRUST him..

vanwadreamer — March 7, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Food for thought...

It would be interesting to see if anyone running for presidency, could put their hand on the Holy Bible and state they have never tried to find ways to skirt around paying taxes in full...looking for any deduction, any write off they could find OR has never tried to avoid regulations in order to save a buck. But then again...they could always blame their accountant for that one. Ah yes, the blame game. Fits into modern politics well, huh!

Is that what we need in the Oval Office??? Well, no matter what...that's what we'll be stuck with.

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"could put their hand on the Holy Bible...

Or the Qu'ran or any other religious writings to suit their personal needs for that matter.

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

No blurring the lines here. At least that much earns a degree of respect. Amazing stuff in this day and age. When folks aren't capable of presenting substantive arguments and resort to personal attacks, it's always a good sign someone's head is about to explode! In this case a good part of Clovis!

**Clovis, New Mexico Elects Mayor Who Called Obama 'Carnal Manifestation Of Evil'**

CLOVIS, N.M. — A former New Mexico mayor who called President Barack Obama "the carnal manifestation of evil" and said Obama's election was part of a CIA conspiracy has been elected to his former job, according to unofficial resulted.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- *have issues with wealthy people what’s your beef with Romney?*

With regards to his wealth none. The way he amassed it? A bit. (I believe Newt referred to it as vulture capitalism)

*It seems as if any R candidate with any amount of money is Evil to you and others.*

You should change your media venue.

*if they are adept at being able to create jobs,*

Mitt Romney finished his term as Governor with a #47 attached to him for job creation in Mass. Only 3 Govs were worse and one was coming off a natural disaster.

*manage our economy better and even possibly balance the budget by spending less*

Top analysts forecast Romney's plan to add trillions to our debt as with Santorum and Gingrich. Paul is the only one not to add to the deficit more than Obama.

*cutting back on government intervention in our lives.*

Yeah right! LOL!!!

*a president who has never held a job outside of a government job.*

Get used to vanwa. Because there will be 4 more years of this Democrat in Government. George Bush had "business" experience. :)))))))) An old line given he has 3 years plus as Commander in Chief and President of America. The biggest business in the world. (and given the circumstances and republican opposition has done a fine job)

*Never had to manage people*

You are incorrect. On so many levels.

*I just don't TRUST him..*

I believe you 100% vanwa. I don't think anything this President could do would change that.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Super Tuesday: Mitt Romney’s Senior Citizen Surge**

Once again tonight, voters 65 and older were among Romney’s staunchest supporters. They were his best cohort in Vermont and Virginia. They may have saved his bacon in Ohio, where he walloped Santorum in this age bracket by 15 points. Even in Santorum-happy Tennessee, the seniors went Romney.

But wait! There’s more: Seniors were key to Romney’s Michigan victory. They were his biggest backers in Nevada and, more importantly, his electoral powerhouse of Florida. They were the only age bracket he won in Iowa.

As for life beyond the primary, senior voters are the only age group in which Romney is outpolling President Obama.

The bulk of the American electorate may not consider Mittens scintillating, but the 65-plus set clearly finds him pretty darn charming.

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nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 11:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

OJT doesn't cut it...Heck I could have not done any worse than our current Prez.. If you don't know you need to surround yourself with those that do. He has flushed every advisor from his first day in congress except Geitner, who shouldn't even have had the job in the first place given his issues prior to... Obama hasn't even finished his first four years yet and you think or believe he has done a good job, PLEASEEEEE... Given the circumstances he created in forcing crap down our throats that have tripled the deficit in his 3 years and you call that good. More regulation, you call that good. Come on you are smarter than that. Don't just say that because you want to.. He doesn't even have 38% of the people thinking he is doing a GOOD JOB. 50% think he is doing OK.. OK is not doing a good job.
Obama has continued deficit financing, along with proposed tax increases during our current economy will kill job growth and stifle any economic growth...Look at our county, seen any good wage jobs being created by our president?? that you can contribute to his policies... Sorry nail not buyiny him, selling or trading would be our best bet...

vanwadreamer — March 7, 2012 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


are my fb posts being removed again...?

DeeLittle — March 7, 2012 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Heck I could have not done any worse than our current Prez..*

All righty then.

*Look at our county, seen any good wage jobs being created by our president??*

When is it the President's job to create jobs? :) Isn't that against republican "principle"? :0)

I could name many (nice that GM is # 1 in the World) but it makes no difference. We lost 3 and half million jobs in the last year of Bus...never! Just never mind.....:)

vanwa- good luck to you. 8 months from now I hope Mitt or Rick or Newt or Ron or a candidate to be named later suits your needs.

cRAzyTrain- Thanks for your input!

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I don't quite understand why Romney is being portrayed as not doing so well in Tuesday's primaries. He won, for crying out loud. He's not getting the conservative support as others, big whoop. Like these conservatives will be so disenchanted they'll vote for Obama? Fat chance. Newt is only in because a sugar daddy PAC ponied up. Romney will dust Santorum in the NE. He's got far more money than Santorum, and, sad as it is to say, that's what it's all about.

The economy will probably be a deciding factor. Obama doesn't have anything to play up. I've read where 200,000 jobs were created last month. Another big whoop. Over 8 million were lost, so at that rate, we'll be back to pre-depression in 3 1/2 years. And that's not counting new people entering the job market since the crash.

Romney might get a second look from democratic moderates for the above reasons, but he'll have to REALLY be on his game in one-on-one TV appearances with Obama. He's not looked real sharp in prior appearances, and seemed to have kind of a canned approach. We'll see.

mrd — March 7, 2012 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Isn't it just crazy...Or what about Solyndra, we still haven't heard enough on this as to where the president acted or didn't act. Wouldn't be surprised he was in on the take.

vanwadreamer — March 7, 2012 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***I just paid $3.85 at Costo. AT COSTCO!***

The recent rise in gasoline prices has prompted Congressional hearings and a call to federal regulators to curb what many see as the cause for the spike: oil speculators.

A House subcommittee held a hearing on "The American Energy Initiative" Wednesday morning that focused solely on rising pump prices. Seventy members of Congress signed a letter this week to regulators at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), urging immediate action on oil speculation by enacting "strong position limits to eliminate excessive oil speculation" and to "utilize all authorities available to…make sure that the price of oil and gasoline reflects the fundamentals of supply and demand."

The CFTC was given authority in the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to impose position caps on oil traders beginning in January 2011. These limits have not yet been implemented by the CFTC. In an interview Wednesday with The Daily Ticker, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT.) says the CFTC doesn't "have the will" to enact these limits and "needs to obey the law."

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — March 7, 2012 at 1:39 p.m

Seriously? Solyndra?

Sure, it's all the President's fault that this company went under. I'm sure he said to himself, "Hmmmmmmm I think I'll give a bunch of money to a company that has no hope of surviving just because I can".

Give me a break.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

so the guy running the CFTC has been breaking the law since jan 2011. Why hasn't he been arrested or removed and replaced with someone who will obey the law? What is this, some kind of bureaucratic courtesy from the feds? Boning the average household $600/yr is big bucks. Perhaps the government can't control folks with that much money, it's the other way around. I'm thinking this is political BS and no politician really wants to do a damn thing to their masters as if they even could. I hope I'm wrong but from what I've seen, it adds up.

mrd — March 7, 2012 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd- Romney's top economy guy was George Bush's top economy guy. His economic plan is bad on it's face. I don't see any moderate/otherwise Dems going for it. It's poison, just like Bush. Here is some info on Willard's inside economic circle.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 2:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee, give me a call when you have a chance. 360-735-4559.


Matt Wastradowski — March 7, 2012 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BLS data show that 4.4 million jobs were lost in Bush's last year in office, and 4.3 million more jobs were lost during Obama's first 13 months. crazytrain — March 7, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.

Sure crazytrain, you can blame that on Obama because he got to push the "Federal Re-Set Button" when he came into office and everything went back to zero, didn't it.

try again

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It really wouldn't surprise me if moderate D's jumped ship. In areas that are still hurting economically, and probably will be at election time, they might go for Romney. I don't know, but it seems a lot of people vote against someone rather than for someone. I think that's part of the reason Obama spanked McCain. Out with the old, in with the new, especially if they don't feel thing can get much worse.

Didn't realize ol' Mitt picked up Mankiw. This is the guy who re-classified food servers at fast food joints as manufactoring jobs because they made something in order to make Bush look better in one of his papers. Give him an "A" for creativity, but..........

mrd — March 7, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

crazytrain — March 7, 2012 at 3:03 p.m

No, you didn't follow, my point was that even though there were job losses in the beginning of Obama's term, you can't blame him for those losses. There is a little carry over from the previous administration, you know.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yo loco-motives- Just search google. Type in **job growth chart**. And look at any of the hundreds that are displayed. Some are in color!

mrd- Could be some Dems on the outskirts of Fargo that will...:) You have a point. There will be a faction throughout the country that will vote on the premise of change. This isn't going to be easy for Obama.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 3:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


then you can't credit him for ben laden kill either. after all, started in bush prez

DeeLittle — March 7, 2012 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 3:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You need to learn how to interpret what these things say. Yes, there was 5.7t from Clinton to Bush but bumped that up because of the unpaid wars and yes it went up after Bush was pres in order to cover the economic stimulus. That's the price you pay for the screw-ups of the past.

Just because 4.3m jobs were lost after Obama took office doesn't mean you can blame him for all of it. The economy doesn't turn on a dime, you know.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

But many of your rants contain all the Jobs and good things he has done, your the one that has expoused his virtues and means of Job creation by defending him.. Not I says the wild one.Some will vote on a premise of change. Thsoe who voted for Obama in 08 mostly thought he was the chosen one as he was a very well spoken politician and people believed him in droves. Now that we have bailed out pretty nmuch all of his supporters and we have paid for it in many ways 50% of the people still believe in him..Wow...I sure could use some free money... And he will spend over 1 billion trying to get re elected.What a waste....

vanwadreamer — March 7, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Nail! You missed one - and I'm hoping Jon Stewart will use it tonight.|main5|dl4|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D141460

Robert Kennedy Jr. issued a strong criticism of Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) on Twitter. "Speaking of prostitutes, big oil's top call girl Sen Inhofe wants to kill fuel economy backed by automakers, small biz, enviros, & consumers," he tweeted.

The thing is, Jon will almost have to refer back to Uncle Ted and his "indiscretions" -

roger — March 7, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The REAL unemployment rate...not the trumped up one we're being led to believe:

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"Today, Anonymous has decided to put your site under siege in response to your doctrine, liturgy and the absurd and anachronistic rules that your profit-making organisation spreads around the world," the hackers wrote in the statement, according to Reuters. "This attack is not against the Christian religion or the faithful around the world but against the corrupt Roman Apostolic Church."|main5|dl9|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D141583

Wonder if they'll add Rick Santorum to the list of "crimes"?

roger — March 7, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If this turns out to work - FDA, ATF, FBI and all the rest can get out of the way....;=maing-grid7|main5|dl17|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D141610

A dreamy diet pill that someday allows people to eat as much as they want without gaining weight seems possible, based on new research into certain brain chemicals that influence how quickly we burn fat.

Scientists used lab mice to turn down brain levels of endocannabinoids, chemicals produced by our bodies that are similar in molecular structure to the active ingredients in marijuana.

Previous research has found that endocannabinoids play an important role in regulating energy metabolism. In the new study, blocking the activity of endocannabinoids in the brain enabled mice to stay skinny without exercise or dieting. The researchers explained that the mice were in a "hypermetabolic state," in which their bodies were using up energy (that is, calories) at a much higher rate than normal.

roger — March 7, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie @ 5:41- You've got to be kidding. Jerome Corsi knows "the real" unemployment rate! :))))) :))))))) :)))))))) :))))))))))) :)))))))))))))))

Is there a full moon tonight??? AHHHH!!! The Birthers are out!!!

The release of President Obama’s long-form birth certificate in April hasn’t stopped **Jerome Corsi, author of Where’s The Birth Certificate?**, from pushing his fanciful case that President Obama was born outside of the United States, and yesterday he appeared in Crosstalk with Vic Eliason on Voice of Christian Youth America where the two complained that no one cares what they have to say anymore. Eliason lamented that people “call us just a bunch of crazies, radicals, birthers” and said that people like himself “get a label, an epithet that kind of raises a shadow over” their arguments. **Corsi assured him that “Barack Obama’s nativity story and his life story” have all been “fabricated,” and claimed that the alleged “cover-up” is a “serious issue.”**

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 6:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You can include Sheriff Joe in that witch hunt.

PHOENIX — The birth certificate which Barack Obama says proves he is a U.S. citizen is a fraud, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio charged Thursday.

The sheriff said a forensic examination of the electronic document posted last year by the White House proves that it was not simply scanned into a file but actually put together in several pieces. And Mike Zullo, head of the sheriff’s Cold Case Posse who headed the investigation, said the inconsistencies in the document cannot be explained away by claims that it was optimized or had been scanned with optical character recognition software.

Zullo also said a separate examination proves Obama’s selective service also is a fake.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

sounds like a heart attack in pill form.

DeeLittle — March 7, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The comment section to this "Twitter Photo of the Day" was surprisingly positive from a bi-partisan rag like Politico. Refreshing change from some of the anti-Obama rants in this forum.

Sometimes those blurry lines come into sharp focus. It's interesting to see where some get their info from. Statistically speaking at least the majority of citizens believe Obama is a legitimate President and a good man. That's something anyway.....sigh.....

Will this ridiculous conspiratorial teabagging birther crap ever leave us???

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 7:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.

The idea that the U.S. government should control oil prices is just nuts. It is another two dimensional thinking, Leftist idea of government bodies, boards, panels and commissions of beaurocrats, government sycophants, and arm chair QB’s, having the audacity to believe that they can sort through a near infinite set of data and determine somethings “worth”. This is the USSR redux. This is the political philosophy of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics revisited.

The market place is dynamic, not static. Meaning that the state of events is in constant flux.

You might note, that Sanders comments are in regards to the U.S. One thing that hasn’t been stated, in Senator Bernie Sander’s idea of the lack of supply and demand fundamentals, is the effect of the emerging markets. Most notably the PR of China. Even while the western world has been in recession, China’s economy has been exploding. Aside from the increased manufacturing requirements for energy, there is the explosion of wealthier Chinese buying cars. Then there is India and Brazil. Same thing. And others. Again, you may note that Sanders is discussing only the U.S. market for oil.

The Chinese have been seeking out new supplies of oil for the past several years now, and they have been quite aggressive in finding new supply sources. I.E. they are competing with others and on a worldwide basis.

Oil is traded on a WORLD WIDE market. Just what is the CFTC supposed to do about all of this? You may note the use of the word “excessive” in the regulation that Sanders mentioned. So just what is “excessive”. Just who determines what is “excessive” and what is supposed to done about it?

Think speculation is just in oil? Any commodity is subject to speculation, and all commodities of significance, e.g. precious metals and any number of various agricultural crops, are traded worldwide. The value of various countries’ currencies are also traded in a international market. A BIG critism of the PR of China, over the years, has been that they have not let the market place determine the value of their currency in relation to other countries’ currencies. Instead, their government has determined this value…to their advantage. That is, the PR of China has mustered their grownig clout, to set their own currency exchange rate, rather that let free market forces do so, in order to export in relation to their imports. A good case can be made, that if the market place had determined the relative worth, the various trade deficits of the west would not have been so one-sided.

kn_dalai — March 7, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- *Hey Nail! You missed one - and I'm hoping Jon Stewart will use it tonight.*

The Republicans are providing so much material, and there are only so many hours in a day!

**Corporate CEOs Embrace Tax Hike Plans Rejected By Paul Ryan**

WASHINGTON -- A powerful coalition of corporate executives on Wednesday praised a deficit reduction plan that has long been maligned by GOP leaders for raising taxes.

The Business Roundtable, a lobbying group of CEOs at companies from American Express to Xerox, released its own plan aimed at revitalizing the American economy.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

All of this is about values of, whatever, coming about as a result of a free market of huge numbers of individuals responding to constantly changing circumstances, as compared to a command economy of government sorts, who think they know what is best.

Think speculation also doesn’t exist in real estate? Maybe the government should also decide what you have to sell your house for.

Here’s the caveat to all of this, and Sanders is not clear about this in that interview, although it is stated in the accompanying text, but it is possible to limit the NUMBER OF CONTRACTS which is bought by a speculator. As compared to a producer or a consumer. The same thing already exists in precious metals. Here’s the deal: while it can smooth out the day-to-day price fluctuations, geopolitical concerns will be unaffected.

Pie-in-the-sky. Feel good politics. And extremely naïve. Such is the political basis of your totalitarian Left.

kn_dalai — March 7, 2012 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, I knew that would catch your attention. Yes, I know...he's a conspiracy theorist...but I had to go to extremes with this one, lol. Now I have a better one for you to check out...but you'd have to register to read the information. It just might be worth your time to check it out and read up on their data THEN get back to me. That is...if you're interested.

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

k_nd- Sounds like a nuanced article or a PBS spot. Outside of your usual/predictable *Pie-in-the-sky. Feel good politics. And extremely naïve. Such is the political basis of your totalitarian Left.* nonsense, what's your point? Just felt like pasting something professorial?

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And nailingit, you don't have to subscribe to the newsletter. If you click on "subscribe," you can view sample being an article regarding unemployment in September of 2010 as well as clicking on "Alternate Data" which shows the information from 1996 to 2012. Once on that page, you can click on "Visit our Chart Library of Official Unemployment Statistics."

An acquaintance of mine has a subscription and has read the information regarding unemployment statistics...and it is quite detailed. We are not hearing the whole truth with regards to our current unemployment shock, huh!

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well folks...I'm outta here for the night. Looks like the Sun has put on yet another wonderful display in the past few days which might affect telecommunications about 10:00 tonight. It's expected to reach a level of G3 tonight.

Man, I wish we could see the Aurora Borealis from here!!! There's been some amazing photos and videos lately!

(btw, you can click on "NOAA Scales Activity" and read the different levels of the scales and what this event can cause.)

goldenoldie — March 7, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 8:28 p.m

My anaylisis and verbiage is my own; not taken from another.

My point should be obvious.

Perhaps you would like to debate the issues, sans leftists rags, as your template.

So just what useful purpose is served by leftist armchair quarterbacks deciding the value of everything for everyone else, in what is supposed to be a free country?

kn_dalai — March 7, 2012 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- *Nailingit, I knew that would catch your attention.*

Or anyone's attention that has to fend off lies from the right during political discourse.

*Yes, I know...he's a conspiracy theorist..*

He's a Birther.

*but I had to go to extremes with this one, lol.*

Why? To spread propaganda in order to 'blur' the lines??? Please explain as I would like to understand. It appears you are walking back your comment @ 5:41 via deflection and focus altering. Just sayin' :))

*.but you'd have to register to read the information.*

I wouldn't register with one of these creepy birther right wing websites in a million years. I'd probably end up with late night robo calls & unwanted E-mails stating Americans 65 & over will receive $$$ and lifetime comps at Fur's cafeteria's across the country if they vote for Ben Matlock as President and send $25.

All in good humor. As good as good enlightening humor can provide at the time. What???

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 9:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

k_nd- *My anaylisis and verbiage is my own; not taken from another.*

Plagiaristic activities weren't meant to be implied, rather that the value quotient denied. :)

*My point should be obvious.*

I agree, and it speaks to my question.

*Perhaps you would like to debate the issues, sans leftists rags, as your template.*

Perhaps. Perhaps you would like to debate the issues sans a limited right wing ill conceived interpretation of our Constitution.

*So just what useful purpose is served by leftist armchair quarterbacks deciding the value of everything for everyone else, in what is supposed to be a free country?*

In a way it serves the same useful purpose as it does to lead a horse to water...

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — March 7, 2012 at 8:18 p.m

I guess I don't understand the whole "speculation" thing. It seems to me that the people that produce the stuff set the price and the people that refine it do a little value-add and there you have it. The retailer adds some for distribution and we pay whatever that is.

But nooooooo.

Somebody on a drilling well sneezes and the price goes up. Greece has problems and the price goes up. And my favorite, there is a RUMOR of a rumor of a rumor about a dog that trips over a rock that might start a shortage in BF Egypt and the price goes up.

Regardless of how it happens, I don't like the current method.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 9:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

> Perhaps. Perhaps you would like to debate the issues sans a limited right wing ill conceived interpretation of our Constitution. -- nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.

Ill conceived interpretation? Well, there it is. Bring it on. And I'm pretty sure I won't have to let some biased such and such, do the talking for me.

kn_dalai — March 7, 2012 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***This is my kind of guy!***

DETROIT (Reuters) - Chrysler Group LLC's top executive declined a salary and bonus for a second straight year in 2011, when the Detroit automaker repaid more than $7 billion in government loans from its bankruptcy restructuring nearly three years ago.

Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne is still compensated as CEO of Italian automaker Fiat SpA, which owns 58.5 percent of Chrysler and paid him 3.5 million euros ($4.5 million) in 2010.

Chrysler did reimburse Marchionne, however, for cleaning, security and other costs at his condominium in Michigan, according to an annual regulatory filing released late Tuesday.

hawkeye — March 7, 2012 at 10:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Well, there it is. Bring it on.*

Ron P would be proud! I wonder if the founders wanted that piece of paper to exude ego and sublimate needs more befitting a "professional" wrestler.


It's how some follow the bible. Pick choose and confuse. Remember my friend...

The letter of the law kills, the spirit of the law brings understanding.

Are you one of those who carry a miniature copy of the constitution with you 24/7? They make cute hand outs.

This Paul faux Libertarian movement will be all but dead in a few years.

nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 11:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For more information on the actual unemployment rate versus Obama administration statistics, read Jerome Corsi’s Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” and the “Where’s the Real Birth Certificate?” e-book.

Red Alert’s author, who received a doctorate from Harvard in political science in 1972, is also author of the No. 1 New York Times best-sellers “The Obama Nation” and (with co-author John E. O’Neill) “Unfit for Command.” He has authored several other books, including “America for Sale,” “The Late Great U.S.A.” and “Why Israel Can’t Wait.” In addition to serving as a senior staff reporter for WND, Corsi is a senior managing director in the financial-services group at Gilford Securities.

really GO, how objective do you suppose this guy is? "Where's the Birth Certificate?", "Obama Nation". or "Unfit for Command"? Sheesh, just because it's on the net doesn't mean much anymore. I do agree the actual unemployment rate is much higher than the official government lie, but that goes back to Ronnie Raygun. That dolt, directed by a palm-reader, Nancy, or both, first tweaked the numbers by including the military in the employed numbers, removed "discouraged workers" from any consideration, and moved SS trust fund $$ into the asset column for the federal government to doctor his numbers during a very mild reccession compared to the current depression.

Here’s the caveat to all of this, and Sanders is not clear about this in that interview, although it is stated in the accompanying text, but it is possible to limit the NUMBER OF CONTRACTS which is bought by a speculator. As compared to a producer or a consumer.

Limiting the numbers of "positions" a speculator can buy is the friggin' law. Why it's not being enforced is the question. The speculator's have 80% of the market. Consumers have 0%, as do producers. The remaining 20% are other end users, neither of which are consumers or producers nor have an interest in artificially inflated prices. Unless you'd consider, for example, Iran buying oil off the market a producer buying oil, which isn't an accurate portrayal of the 20% of the non-speculated market or even plausible.

If supply & demand, the capitalist's and free market believer's dream were in play with oil prices, gasoline would be about 1/2 the price in the US as demand is down-way down-we're exporting the stuff. So to assume the mysterious free market BS is working here is crap. You mention the housing market. Demand is soft-prices are in the toilet. Free market is working here, burt not in oil prices, therefore the need for regulation.

mrd — March 8, 2012 at 12:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Dee, give me a call when you have a chance. 360-735-4559.

called 3 times...voice mail each time. all posts are now gone (before, they just didn't increase the comment-counter). why?

DeeLittle — March 8, 2012 at 1:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Re: Your comments on the lovely sunset. I wonder if the solar flares that are headed in our general direction have anything to do with this? Anyhow, two mega-flares popped off a day or so ago, and should pass close by our planet today. Effect on satellite comms, etc, still unknown - but at least they're fairly sure we'll avoid the worst case scenario of a direct hit. Still, is it possible The C website will be affected? And my Direct TV? I might have to find something useful to do this evening - a little yard work or something.

Actually, I have a good book. Michael Lewis, The Blind Side. The one they made into a movie about the homeless black kid (Michael something) taken in by the rich white family in Memphis - he's now a pro footballer, I think. Anyhow - I don't normally fall for these "feel good" stories, but Lewis writes great books on the "excesses" of Wall Street investment bankers, so I thought I'd check it out. Definitely worth it.

roger — March 8, 2012 at 5:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Really nailingit, you are fixated on Ron Paul. I said nothing about the constitution or about Ron Paul. You really need to get past your Daily Kos.

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


> The speculator's have 80% of the market.

I don’t know the exact figure, but speculators have most of the contracts in any commodity.

> Consumers have 0%, as do producers.

That doesn’t make sense. The point of commodity futures to begin with, is so producers and consumers can lock in prices to avoid the uncertainies of future events.

> If supply & demand, the capitalist's and free market believer's dream were in play with oil prices, gasoline would be about 1/2 the price in the US as demand is down-way down-we're exporting the stuff.

How have you determined this. Oil is traded globally. Tne price is not set by US demand alone. I have no problem with limiting the number of contracts which speculators can buy. So just what is that number now? And maybe margin requirements cans be raised. So long as someone’s idea is not that the government set prices.

> So to assume the mysterious free market BS is working here is crap. You mention the housing market. Demand is soft-prices are in the toilet. Free market is working here, burt not in oil prices, therefore the need for regulation.

Free markets are all about speculation. Speculators had a lot to do with the housing bubble. Speculators were buying houses they did not live in, waiting to flip them at higher prices. Just what kind of regulation? Is the government supposed to set prices?

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 6:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just what kind of regulation? Is the government supposed to set prices?

the regulations are set in the dodd-barney bill passed in jan 2011, but the government won't enforce it.

I saw where oil speculation costs the average american household $600/yr. 350 million people, 100 million houaeholds=$60 trillion dollars. I'm sure that's too high, but the point is we're talking serious bucks here.

mrd — March 8, 2012 at 7:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — March 8, 2012 at 7:06 a.m.

The Dodd Frank act was about the financial industry. What is it about this that applies to oil futures? Exactly what is it that is not being enforced.

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 7:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

k_nd @ 6:17- Thanks for the Daily Kos ref. I need to look at this site once in awhile. In your honor!

Breaking News!

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd...I guess you didn't see my comment to nailingit that I was just trying to catch their attention. I don't hold credence to what Corsi has to say as he will take whatever anybody else writes and use it to his advantage. It was step one in the direction for people to take note of the Shadow Government Stats which are rarely mentioned in the mainstream. I believe the true stats are not shared as they are trying to purvay a positive trend...especially so close to a presidential election. The gentleman in the site isn't speaking with a forked tongue or with some vendetta against our Commander In Chief. He is merely stating the facts...facts like those who are currently in the 60's who are unemployed are considered "retired" and facts like the employed who are counted as being employed when in all actuality, they are temp hires or working part-time jobs...some with two part-time jobs which puts out a false front that TWO people are working. And if you check the charts on the ShadowStats website, you will see where he is obtaining his data - The Bureau of Labor Statistics...not what I'd consider slanted politics of some conspiracy theorist like Corsi.

goldenoldie — March 8, 2012 at 7:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I guess there were some beautiful displays of the Aurora Borealis last night from some vantage points in Washington. I know the area is being affected as I'd heard several car alarms go off...including my neighbor's. I was up and around. It set itself of the typical signs of a G3 event. Tonight for those who live in areas away from the city...there is a window of opportunity for more displays.

goldenoldie — March 8, 2012 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh Gawd Mr. Nail! I'm sorry I mentioned it!

I hope you're not going to start posting links to the daily Kos again. The Huffington thing is bad enough:)

BTW mrd, your 60 trillion figure is off by a factor of 1000.

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit @9:03 pm...

You sure get testy whenever I grab your attention and find actual data which counters what you have been led to believe. You know darned well that you refuse to respond to my emails on occasion...especially when you don't have anything of substance to contradict my point.'s always a personal attack by you. Thank you for showing everyone yet again, another display of your outbursts of personal attacks in attempts to diminish another person's opinions ( I doing that? My bad). My honest reasoning behind showing the first comment..and yes, I'm being because the first site touched on Shadow Government Statistics. I was still awaiting a response from an acquaintance on the direct website I provided after the first one posted. Did I do it to catch your attention??? Oh, you bet your sweet bippee I did! Was I trying to spread propaganda? *Heck* NO! I was trying to lead up to the actual information these people are putting out...factual data...and you clearly blinded yourself from the facts because of your prejudice to someone whose public views contradict yours and refused to discuss the data I gave absolute directions to view in my email at 8:39 pm. On second what if Corsi is a birther! He's a human being with an opinion and isn't afraid to speak his mind. It reminds me of you, Nailingit. don't even realize how much you have in common with someone like Corsi in that aspect. Okay, now I'm entertained...:) :))) :)))))

Now that the little game of mud hashing is out of the way, did you take the time out to check out the site I shared...the SGS website??? Did you take a look at the stats available without a subscription? If so...I would like to hear your explanation of why the information is not credible. By the way, the gentleman who runs the site doesn't target just one political affiliation. He targets false reports. Doesn't matter if you have an R or a D or an I behind your name in the world of politics.

goldenoldie — March 8, 2012 at 7:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_d-You love it! It brings you a little diversity, some entertainment, and satisfaction knowing you're smarter than most of these biased clods that write! And you would be right!

Having said that, there is some good journalism out there. It's easy to get lazy with the Huff because it covers a broad range of topics with many articles giving a link to the original story, introducing the consumer to a wide range of publications. A great 'lamestream media" outlet.. 'you betcha' don't you know.

Maybe it's what Sarah meant when she answered Katie with.."I read em' all!"

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- *You know darned well that you refuse to respond to my emails on occasion...*

The E-mail address I use for this site I rarely take a look at. It's very possible I have missed E-mails. Anything you wish to say you can say it here. I guess I don't get the whole Columbian personal E-mail thing.

*'s always a personal attack by you.*

This is always a mantra of yours and your "buddy" "crazytrain". Please point these God awful personal attacks out so I may address them. If not, well then...:)

*Shadow Government Statistics.*

I'll let you and the Birthers work it out. I'd rather focus on real Government.

*so what if Corsi is a birther! He's a human being with an opinion and isn't afraid to speak his mind*

:))))))))) :)))))))))))))))) :))))))))))))))))))))))...all righty then!

*did you take the time out to check out the site I shared...the SGS website???*

Oh hell no! ref. @ 9:03 PM

*By the way, the gentleman who runs the site doesn't target just one political affiliation. He targets false reports. Doesn't matter if you have an R or a D or an I behind your name in the world of politics.*

Yes, a professional line blurrerereerrrrr. He sucks in the gullible every which way imaginable and tows no party line. It would cost too much money. Do you read the national Enquirer?

Honestly goldenoldie, how disappointing you lean into so much drivel for information. You seem too smart to be drawn into all this snake oil crap. It does lend some explanation as to your reasoning on many issues.

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*It was step one in the direction for people to take note of the Shadow Government Stats which are rarely mentioned in the mainstream. I believe the true stats are not shared as they are trying to purvay a positive trend...especially so close to a presidential election.*

Sooooo, you have a multi-step plan to introduce us to your beliefs in "Shadow Governments"?

You are turning backtracking into an art! And it's all good! Peace!

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — March 7, 2012 at 5:52 p.m (marijuana diet pill)

The mice were bred to produce limited 2AG. Mice engineered in this fashion are commonly called "knock-out" mice. A portion of their DNA having been knocked out.

Messing with the endocannabinoid system in this fashion aint a real good idea. See 'Rimonabant.'

Drift — March 8, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- Please don't take it the wrong way. Your writes add much to the basement and help keep it alive. You've alluded many times to info you won't put a brand to. It's all right. We are a diverse people. I respect opinion much more when one gives it openly with conviction, not looking for a way out.

I respect Rick Santorum's opinion to some degree on this same principle. I'd rather "have a beer" with him than Willard, or Ron. Newt would be #1 if Obama wasn't included.

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What up Drift?

Yours truly,

a person that procrastinates about procrastination while procrastinating.

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Grabbing a smoke before I get dressed, Nail. Street clothes, I'm talkin'. It's not like I'm sitting here naked, as far as you know. Heh.

I dropped Mielke another note yesterday asking him to point me at the "mandate" that gives the county authority over the collective gardens. I'm still waiting for an answer.

I figured while I was on a roll I'd send a kite to the City Attorney's office, too, asking them (him?) to point me to the legislation that gives them the same authority. Nothing yet, but in all fairness it hasn't been 24 hours.

I'm struggling a little bit with a short story I'm writing. I'm hoping it'll be accepted for an anthology of short works related to books. Yeah, I'm taking a break from another piece I'm working on, the one mentioned in "Carrier." *From the Attic of a Madman?* is getting fairly close to completion... another couple of months, maybe.

It looks like it's gonna be a great day for horseshoe pitching and drinking beer! Just like yesterday, heh!

Drift — March 8, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hi kids, got a big postcard yesterday from our own Jamie. She wanted to know if "I" thought that "we" should be paying for light rail. So thoughtful of her, don't you think? There is a tear-off side of it to send back to her with your answer. Check "yes" , "no" , or give your opinion. I, of course, filled in my opinion in that little tiny space and added my stamp and put it in the mail.

I told Miss Jamie that I believed that we should not have to pay anything for light rail any more than the fare it takes to ride it. If Tri-Met wants to run it up here, it should be on their dime to expand their service. They should also have to pay for the property used for their rail. Just like any other business that wants to expand.

captcha- astepoop repelled (couldn't have said it better.)

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

100,000,000 households
x 600 dollars
60,000,000,000 dollars

mrd — March 8, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Which is 60 Billion.

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well it must be "push" week at the District 3 RNC. I just got a letter/survey/beg for money from the main RNC office in the other Washington. Lots of "against Obama" stuff, "please help us out" and "we NEED your money to beat this guy".

Honestly, do they know who they sent this to?

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- Two days of sun! Perfect pitching weather indeed!

Maybe you are adding to Mielke's knowledge base. If so he should assess it and respond in kind. If the city attorney doesn't respond, I guess it's making lemonade out of lemons in that it would be fodder to use against future 'denial awareness' politicians and those who support them. I'll get on your site later as I haven't checked it out for awhile. These guys who advocate against rec/medical Pot legalization, need to be held accountable for their positions. Thank you for doing that! You are a seemingly tireless warrior in this area. Times yourself by 100 and country wide problem solved!

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

THU MAR 08, 2012 AT 11:15 AM PST

**Dead air flocks to advertise on Rush Limbaugh show**

**BOMBSHELL: Barack Obama pals around with black people**

**Mitt Romney aides: Our candidate sucks** these stories and many more @


nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I doubt I'll get a response from the City. The attorney's office is for the City Council's consultation, not the City's citizens.

If nothing else, hopefully I've clued them (city & county) that at least one resident is hip to their malfeasance. Malfeasance is exactly the way I see it. In my opinion they are (so far) succesfully hoodwinking folks with these moratoriums.

Frankly, I've no dog in the hunt. I sustain myself and that's currently ALL that I've any interest in. It's just that I figure if I'm expected to follow the law then so should municipalities. Know what I mean, man?

I'll give it a couple of more days and then I'll post my exchange with Tom on my blog... with commentary, a'course. Heh.

I call myself a "keyboard activist," Nail. My malady doesn't allow me to stand out in front of the court house with a sign reading " NULLIFICATION!" Snork.

Hey! I just flashed, I've got your email address laying here. I'll drop you a line with my address (it's three, four blocks from the Quarterdeck). Drop in for a cold one and a game. Let me check my calendar...hmmm. Yeah, I'll be here all day.

Drift — March 8, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail, BEST minute ever on Rush show. 1 minute of silence.
Very nice. Now if we could get this expanded to windbags on both sides, all persuasions, all talk like this, and I would be a happy camper.
Now pardon me. I need to crawl into my big blue recycle container and find the mail I got yesterday from Jaimie. I threw it out right away but now that Hawk has spoken, I need to see what she sent and also answer. Right after an epic struggle with captcha.

luvithere — March 8, 2012 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

> Right after an epic struggle with captcha. -- luvithere — March 8, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.

Pretty sure that's the only thing everyone can agree on. You sure know how to bring everyone together. Absolutely brilliant, Luv! You may have a bright future in politics.

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Why thank you Kn! :) :)
I would be an absolute dictator as I know I am always right. My way or the highway but trust me. It would be the right way! First step-outlaw windbags! Second step-Drift gets to be medicinal in style! Third-outlaw beer in cans as this is the lowest of the lowest. No human being should be subjected to beer in cans.

luvithere — March 8, 2012 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


i think i'd start by outlawing cell phones in public places...treat it like smoking :)

DeeLittle — March 8, 2012 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- *I'm expected to follow the law then so should municipalities.*

Absolutely! The double standard screams on this subject and many more.

It boils down to...Politics. There are countless avenues and levels in Government that reward both personal and party affiliated corruption and incompetence. Focused agenda driven legislation i.e. the "war on drugs" provides both local and federal government with many times the budget they would have otherwise. New York City a prime example with their "public display" laws.

Thanks for the invite! I'll take you up on it! Today no can do, but yeah, drop me a line most definitely.

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luv, got to agree with you there. Beer in cans is downright UN-American. The only can I would approve of is a big keg of Widmer hefeweizen. I love that dirty beer.

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK. In your case only, I like your dictator thing. But I'm a trustin' you here.

I'm not sure I understand the Drift in medicinal style comment, but if it has to do with Drift and legalization, then I agree.

I seldom drink beer. Yes! is true. But I absolutely agree that glass is the only way to go.

Now, here's where we start to part ways. I like windbags. They make things so much more enjoyable. I like to laugh.

So you're now at 3 out of 4.

Not bad, but already you've gone from a kn_dalai approval rating of 100% to 75%. Kn_dalai will be watching your next stump speech with a very critical eye.

kn_dalai — March 8, 2012 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Luv...! I was getting all warm and fuzzy and then you pulled the rug out -- darn it.

(about to take a pull off'a the can ;^)

Drift — March 8, 2012 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvit-*Nail, BEST minute ever on Rush show. 1 minute of silence. Very nice.*

I thought the same!

*Third-outlaw beer in cans as this is the lowest of the lowest. No human being should be subjected to beer in cans.*

Now that train of thought could truly bring us all together. Spoken like a true European! I could not agree more. The problem is...not to sound..uppity or anti-american, :), but given how most stateside beer tastes (to include beer from Europe that is exported, it ain't the same!), compared to home brewed Holland/German/Belgium brews...drinking from a can of American brew promotes the old "a beer is a beer" train of thought! Dastardly yes. Taste prohibiting...not so much. :)

On the other end of the spectrum, the Euro thing about mixing tobacco with cannabis. It's a bit like mixing Johnny Walker Blue with fruit juice...just sayin'.

In regards to captcha. PDX posted awhile back that captcha doesn't distinguish CAPS from small case letters. It's true and makes it a little less frustrating when posting. Hope it helps.

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

> Dee, give me a call when you have a
> chance. 360-735-4559. Matt~~
> called 3 times...voice mail each time.
> all posts are now gone (before, they
> just didn't increase the
> comment-counter). why?

*~~5 times now...still voice mail.*

DeeLittle — March 8, 2012 at 1:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Matt's busy reading comments, can't pick up phone.
Yes, Kn, I meant Drift can do the legal stuff. As long as he quits the canned beer.
windbags can make you laugh as long as they do not get as nasty as they have been these days. Then it is no longer funny.

Nail, with all the good micro beer we have available here, one can easily turn one's back on the bigger brands and leave them in the dust. Good beer to be had here. Anybody ever went to Prost! yet? In Mississippi area? Seating kind of like German little hole in the wall pubs, and the beer is outstanding. Different varieties from over there. Although I think they also serve American beer like micros. They also have outside seating a la beer garden in Summer, right next to food carts so one can drink, eat, drink,...if you want to be really germanic, you can drink a few and then get down to religion and politics. After a while, you will feel like you are in the hole in the wall pub in Deutschland. All the arguing and yelling, etc. But over there everybody goes home happy then.

luvithere — March 8, 2012 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry, Dee. It's been a weird week. This afternoon's gotten busy, but I'll be in and around my desk most of the day tomorrow. Call anytime after 10 (though I'll be at lunch at noon or so).

You can always leave a voice mail so I can call you back when I'm actually at my desk, too. :-)


Matt Wastradowski — March 8, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

crazytrain — March 8, 2012 at 12:50 p.m

That's the way it's done, isn't it? If they are qualified and there are openings, what's the problem. Bush did the same thing.

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*You can always leave a voice mail so I can call you back when I'm actually at my desk, too. :-)

good grief, matt !!

what part of 'paranoid' don't you get??

DeeLittle — March 8, 2012 at 2:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh Dee, did you run out of foil again? They have it at the Dollar Tree.

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

that where you buy your's hawk...?

DeeLittle — March 8, 2012 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, BURN!!! I did not know that..... Say, how did you know?

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

No Dee, I get mine at Costco, bigger IS better. I'll bet you could get YOUR suppositories there too, Crazy.

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

crazytrain — March 8, 2012 at 5:12 p.m

yea, me too except I really don't do tea, well maybe a licorice tea when I'm ill but other than that, Coffee works fine.

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Boys, be nice now

luvithere — March 8, 2012 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

no, just coffee. don't need the bran. I eat well.

hawkeye — March 8, 2012 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**The transportation bill might finally be rolling.**

The long-stalled transportation bill is showing some movement. The measure would keep money flowing to the nation's highways, bridges, and other infrastructure and has been closely watched around the country.
Senators reached a deal on amendments to a two-year highway reauthorization bill, Senate leaders announced on Thursday morning. The agreement puts the bill on course for passage on Tuesday.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the agreement includes votes on 30 amendments. Voting is scheduled to begin at 2:15 p.m. and continue into Thursday evening and then resume next week.

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**13 Things The Bible Forbids Other Than Homosexuality (That You're Probably Guilty Of Doing)

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 11:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 11:29 p.m. -- 13 Things The Bible Forbids Other Than Homosexuality (That You're Probably Guilty Of Doing) First.

Well, I'm gonna burn. But just in case there's a slim chance of recovering - #10 and working on the Sabbath. Problem is - when is the Sabbath - Sat or Sun? So, to be safe, I'm thinking I ought to quit mowing my lawn and doing all the other weekend chores. Not sure if my neighbors or the County will buy that I'm working on saving my soul, but....

13 has to change. The wording presented says it applies to women only; not men. Totally unacceptable. But this leads to another argument - just as with the Constitution, is the Bible a living document, or is it in stone and to be followed as intended by the founding fathers?

roger — March 9, 2012 at 6:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Awful lot of talk yesterday evening on regularity - has this become a meeting place for Geriatrics Anonymous?

roger — March 9, 2012 at 6:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning Roger and move over, as I burn with you. The things I have scheduled for this weekend...each Spring it seems all of Clark County is working in their yards trying to catch some rays.
Al this is chiseled in stone, just as the constitution, until the need arises to interpret it differently. Then it all becomes a living document. ever noticed that?

luvithere — March 9, 2012 at 7:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Why are people still picking on Sarah Palin? I mean, when I look at the four Repub clowns (OK, candidates) left, and then to the Dem side at B-Rock and his sidekick Jo B -- well, Sarah is looking better and better!

Speaking of Jo B -- no "F-bombs" from him lately. Wonder who their Matt is that got him under control?

roger — March 9, 2012 at 7:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


In a comment I made in haste yesterday, I referred to your lack of response to my "emails" when in fact, I meant to say my "posts." I guess that's what happens when one multitasks and tries to accomplish too many projects at one time. Sorry about that. It didn't help that I was away from my computer for the rest of the day, allowing our discussion to fester without my response.

Now...regarding "a mantra between me and my buddy, crazytrain." Would you care to explain yourself? I only know crazytrain AS crazytrain and have never met the person. Just because we may have similar discussions on occasions or that one of us decides to post near the time of the other, does not make us "Buddies." Consider that as a joining of like-minded discussion (not all the time, but sometimes). Anyhow nailingit, this comment you stated could easily be construed as a behavioral attack against me as well as to crazytrain...and I mean no offense to crazytrain, but in your condescending mannerisms, that is how it comes across and is clearly a manipulative social discussion approach on your part which is used to instigate emotional response, thus attempting to reduce the "credibility" of the response by the other party which results in a false sense of superiority on the part of the instigator. And Nailingit, that is just one minor example of what I speak. If you'd like, I could continue showing plenty of other excerpts of demeaning behaviorism/political/religious/other attacks you play in your game on a daily basis, but I believe in a civil discussion...these could easily be eliminated with just a bit of effort (yes, on both sides of the discussion).

Regarding the SGS Website, it is not Corsi for whom I speak. It is John Williams. Now if you could find some information which truthfully displays his intentions other than what I speak to you, then I would love to see it. He is not a "professional line blurrerereerrrrr" as you state. In fact, that's what he presents ARE the facts, Nailingit. The person who provided this link to me, a blue-dog Democrat, swears by the information contained in the website I shared. I admit that I am a registered "R" who votes on both sides of the ticket. I keep an open mind when it comes to what I read...especially on the internet for which half the time it's difficult to discern fact from fiction.

I don't know why you would be "afraid" to check out a link, other than it bursts the bubble of your comfort zone in what you have been told and believe, but you really should check it out, Nailingit.

goldenoldie — March 9, 2012 at 7:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Case #2 by Nailingit March 8, 2012 at 8:04 a.m

*Honestly goldenoldie, how disappointing you lean into so much drivel for information. You seem too smart to be drawn into all this snake oil crap. It does lend some explanation as to your reasoning on many issues.*

Case #3 by Nailingit March 8, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.

*Sooooo, you have a multi-step plan to introduce us to your beliefs in "Shadow Governments"?
You are turning backtracking into an art! And it's all good! Peace!*

Not on the attack mode?

*"Honest debate and political preference are well matched bookends."* nailingit — March 7, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.

Soooo...when do you want to practice what you preach?

goldenoldie — March 9, 2012 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You know - I look back at my previous favorable comments about JHB, and now about Sarah, and have come to the conclusion that JUST PERHAPS my attraction for cute young brunettes is running my decision process. Oh well. I draw the line at Scary Michelle B.

roger — March 9, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit, I think I'm going to be right along with you guys in the HE double hockeysticks department. I do love my pulled pork sandwiches and I've been divorced a few times but it's better than murder. I'm wondering about those Repubs and their commitment to the word. Have they NEVER had the popcorn shrimp or worked on the sabbath (can campaigning be considered "work"?) and we know Newt can't pass the "no divorce" test.

hawkeye — March 9, 2012 at 8:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger/luvit- I'm thinking Hell must be overcrowded, and in part Hell could account for the accelerated depletion of our energy resources. The fossil fuel demand to burn Hell for one day, would most likely satisfy our world's terrestrial population for a year.

Maybe Santorum should run on this premise. Promise to make a deal with the devil for fossil fuels. Romney's deal only works for about 13 million.

goldenoldie- *Honestly goldenoldie, how disappointing you lean into so much drivel for information. You seem too smart to be drawn into all this snake oil crap. It does lend some explanation as to your reasoning on many issues.*

Horrific! Thank you for pointing out baseless assumptions can be wrong. :)

As always, thanks for your input!


nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 8, 2012 at 11:29 p.m

First off out of the 13 listed, 11 are from the Old Testament,
2 from the New Testament.

We are NOT the people of the Old Testament, we are the people of the New Testament. Always amazes me how Non-believers run to/quote from the Old Testament every time.

To claim or insist Christians keep the old covenant and its conditions is to alter Scripture and its application; something no one have the right to do. The law required one not born of Israel to undergo circumcision before they came under that old covenant. Were Gentile Christians required to undergo circumcision? NO! Acts 15.

The command forbidding eating unclean meat is found ONLY in the Mosaic Old Covenant Law. The conditions of said covenant also terminate. 2Corinthians chapter 3; Romans 7:6; Galatians 4:21-5:1.

I could go on and list every one that is in that article, but not going to do so. Wouldn't do any good. The blind stays blind by choice.
I suggest you quit reading so much of the Huffington, it's really starting to show the adverse affects on your brain, and I so do worry about your mental health.

ELISI — March 9, 2012 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawk- I can relate! We are all going down! Except for conservatives, of course.

I just can't commit myself to the heartlessness and bigotry of the conservative GOP.

For that I will hold my head high, as the fire is stoked, and the temperatures rise...

... I think in the next life, more than a few are in for a surprise.....

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Thank you for pointing out baseless assumptions can be wrong."

We're all human...we all make mistakes nailingit. Humility is a difficult and powerful emotion we all endure.

goldenoldie — March 9, 2012 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"We're all going down!" ????

Rather morbid thought, wouldn't you say???

goldenoldie — March 9, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — March 9, 2012 at 8:58 a.m

Morning EL, did you leave your sense of humor in your other pants this morning? Come on now, relax and enjoy the day before the rain comes back. And BTW, did you mean I DIDN'T have to get circumcised???? You know it isn't so easy at 16.

hawkeye — March 9, 2012 at 9:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, anybody know what ever happened to "lintrap"?

hawkeye — March 9, 2012 at 9:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — March 9, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.

My sense of humor pants are always on, until..

Yes, Hawkeye. it means you didn't HAVE to get circumcised.
The Covenant wasn't meant for us Gentiles.
The Catholic church held onto the old Covenant, that is why church owned and operated hospitals continued for decades. I have no clue if they still practice this or not. The medical field picked up on it sometime before 40's and began the procedure stating it was for health purposes. Now 23 yrs ago when my son was born we had a choice of having the procedure done or not. I have no clue what is required now. I'd have to ask my daughter since she just had their second boy about 10 months ago.

Well it's time to do errands, Hawkeye you have a great morning whats left of it....and yes, the sun is shinning..makes one want to get out and do yard work huh?

ELISI — March 9, 2012 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Totally agree with your take on Sarah & JHB.... Did you see Michelle on Piers the other night...I thought she was going to take a bite out of him...Does anyone think that B Rock might replace Joe as his sidekick. it would make sense to groom the next VP for a rune in four years from now. I doubt it would change th outcome of the election one bit....

vanwadreamer — March 9, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Here's your chance to break down, sign up and chat with me live. 11 a.m. Who's in?

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — March 9, 2012 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Gee Hawkeye, what brought that up, that was a long time ago.

Before he left, lintrap identified himself. I no longer recall his name but he said he worked for the Vancouver Business Journal, stated his age: 22 or so, whatever it was he was pretty young, and said he was moving.

kn_dalai — March 9, 2012 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Lintrap was a an ex catholic and he knew his church history and bible inside out. he woudl have chimed in here fiercely. Would have a added real value.

luvithere — March 9, 2012 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, Lou, in order to participate one must be signed up on one'a them there "social sites." That's the way it looks to me, anywho.

There's a reason many of us reside down here. 'Member?

This question will never make it, so I suppose you could call it rhetorical, but --

Do you think both the Commissioners and Council passed the cannabis collective garden moratoriums knowing full well they've no authority in the matter, or do you suppose it's purely out of ignorance?

Drift — March 9, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hey none other than Pat Robertson, ya know, 700 club, came out for the legalization of pot. Went so far as to declare the war on drugs a failed, misguided policy. Maybe there's hope...

mrd — March 9, 2012 at 12:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- I read that also. In the same week he said it was a 'lack of prayer' that allowed recent tornado's to wreak death & destruction. He's a complete idiot with a following that pre-dates the civil rights movement.

Pat's old, confused and desperately wants to be part of a national conversation on something. He loves the attention any provocative statement will bring him. He reminds me of Franklin Graham in that respect. But it does bring something to mind...

Even the blind squirrel gets the nut sometimes!

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm not a Robertson fan. A lot of folks *are* though. So whether he's a bit of a nut, or not, is neither here nor there.

What's significant is that he would not only come out in the defense of medicinal cannabis (did that previously), but that he'd also publically bash the "War on Drugs."

A **lot** of folks out there listen to Ol' Pat.

Drift — March 9, 2012 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

^^^I meant the response to mrd^^^..or Drift, or anyone who gives a flying f.

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 1:30 p.m

I have a feeling that ol Pat is backing the medicinal use due to his )or someone close to his) glaucoma. Just a guess.

I've tried to watch him a couple of times but he is truly off his rocker, could be a causal effect.

hawkeye — March 9, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Rage Against the Machine to Rush Limbaugh: 'Stop Using Our Music in Your Right-Wing Clown Show'
Tom Morello demands that radio host drop Rage tunes**

Read more:

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It's a sad state of affairs when good Americans feel the need to plead for honest voter rights to the United Nations! Unfortunately the need exists due to radicalized Republican overreach.

**The Fight Over Voter ID Laws Goes To The United Nations**

The United Nations has no authority over American states, of course. And the international organization has often been pilloried by U.S. conservatives concerned about American deference to other nations.

But the NAACP is hoping to exert international pressure on states in the same way it did during the civil rights movement of the 1940s and 1950s, when the NAACP sought the U.N.'s support in combating Jim Crow laws and lynchings in the South.

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Did anyone listen/participate in Lou's 11:00 chat? If so, how did it go?

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 3:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Lou had an 11:00 chat? Oops. (Sorry Lou. Maybe next time!)

goldenoldie — March 9, 2012 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I thought the live chat was…A OK.

Nothing earth shaking, but a good effort at citizen participation.

As far as I’m concerned, I think it’s rather cool for the Columbian to engage in this kind of thing.

Some of the usual suspects showed up, including Lew, DM, Craig S. and Jim Moeller and others, as well as two or three I am not familiar with. JHB also chimed in with a compliment to the Columbian, which was sent to the forum moderator by email.

CRC was a major topic.

I would guess the chat is available somewhere on the site. I noticed they had links to previous chats on today’s chat page.

Take a look at the poll on the homepage, on the height problem with the CRC.

kn_dalai — March 9, 2012 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*I think it’s rather cool for the Columbian to engage in this kind of thing.*

So do I. As Drift stated @ 11:51, you have to be on a social site to be sociable. Hence my anonymous campaign targeting anonymity anonymously.

It would be nice once in awhile to be included. The Basement gets dank sometimes.

nailingit — March 9, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For those who missed it, you can check out the transcript from Lou's chat here:




Matt Wastradowski — March 9, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Matt, Looked like the Lew and David show, for the most part.

hawkeye — March 9, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, Drift, what do you think about Pat Robertson endorsing the legalization of marijuana? He reasonably cites its over-criminalization is putting too many people behind bars.

From CS Monitor staff writer Daniel Wood:


Robertson’s status as a high-profile conservative, however, makes his remarks symbolically important and indicative of wider shifts, say some academic observers.

“He’s wrong about many things, but the fact that he is someone who usually represents the extreme conservative point of view makes the coming legalization debate more wide open now,” says Robert MacCoun a professor at the University of California at Berkeley School of Law, who follows marijuana laws.
I am dumbstruck.

manthou — March 9, 2012 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Matt, has the transcript been altered in any way?

I thought Jaime Herrera Beutler’s comment came earlier in the program, not after the extension of the dialog past the first hour, and through Setareh Alizadeh, not Libby Clark.

In other news, from the aforementioned chat:

> Comment From David Hentz: Warren Buffett says newspapers are giving away their product away for free on the web. He said, this needs to stop. The WSJ does not give its product away. Why does The Columbian?
> Lou Brancaccio: David Hentz. Stay tuned!!!!!

Uh oh. Sounds rather ominous.

kn_dalai — March 9, 2012 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, Bill Buckley and former secretary of state George Shultz, endorsed legalisation 20 years ago. Maybe more.

Understand the differences between socialist, democrat, republican and libertarian.

kn_dalai — March 9, 2012 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, MacCoun elaborates a bit more than I did in my 1:21 post, but I think we're saying the same thing.

Drift — March 9, 2012 at 6:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai: Well, shows to go ya', we all have room to learn a thing or two every so often. Thanks for the history lesson.

I am also impressed that you picked up on Lou B's "stay tuned" inner message. Just like nicotine, caffeine and other substances, online newspapers and commentary become addictive. Once the consumer is hooked, out come the fees.

I supposed we all we learn how much that "stay tuned" is gonna cost.

manthou — March 9, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A fee to read "free press" news??? That's one fee I am not willing to fork out. They'd lose this reader permanently if they begin to charge what we're reading on the internet! That's ridiculous!!! We're already paying a monthly fee for internet. Why would I pay extra to read what is happening in Clark County and beyond??? I'd just go read the hard copy at the library if I was so inclined.

goldenoldie — March 10, 2012 at 5:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The entire transcript to Lou B's Friday chat is published as a full page-and-then-some today.

The Forum commenters do not have access to participation in these chats. Had I been able to, however, I would have asked this:

As traditional print journalism increases its embrace of social media, what steps are The Columbian journalists taking to preserve professional ethics and best practices reporting?

I am not the only one who sees an increase in sensational, biased journalism by once-respected big city daily papers. Could this trend be a survival adaptation in order to compete with the public's love affair with Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, etc?

"Losing the News", a book written by Puliter prize-winning journalist Alex Jones is a must-read for those of us who rely on journalism to promote freedom of press and democracy.;=9780195181234

manthou — March 10, 2012 at 6:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldie @ 5:53 am: Good morning, fellow early-riser! I just can't shake my weekday routine on Sat or Sun......

I continue my subscription to newsprint journalism because I want to support this dying medium. I am downright nostalgic and evangelical about it. Talented, ethical journalists are elevated in my regard. I want their good fact-based work to continue and I want them to stay away from the dark side of short-attention spans and fear-based sound bites that breed sensationalism.

Like you, I doubt I would fork over money for access to web content and the community it creates. But I suppose there are many who would. Our views are being replaced by the wired crowd.

Social media is forcing mass media changes that are not always in the public best interest. I hope our local paper does its best to keep web content free and accessible, but they have to generate income somehow.

manthou — March 10, 2012 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good mornin' to you as well! I'm not too concerned with the Columbian generating income. They receive much of their financial support from the advertisers, both in print and online. Sadly though...I believe you are right when you are concerned with the content of the "news" these days. It's changing with the trends.

I also believe that if they began charging a fee for users, they would lose a good chunk of readership, something they couldn't afford.

goldenoldie — March 10, 2012 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

And'll seem later tomorrow at this time with our clocks moving forward that wonderful Springlike hour. We won't feel like we're wakin' with the chickens tomorrow, lol.

Oops! Where's the time going??? Gotta put another log on the fire and mix up a batch of bread dough. I'll be back later!

goldenoldie — March 10, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I try not to contribute too much to the video graffiti on here, but this one has a compelling message of unity and civility in a political world that is increasing divisive.

It is Foster Gamble (of the Proctor Gamble family) discussing his observations after participating in the Occupy solidarity forum in Olympia WA recently. Princples vs Politics; Liberty vs Democracy. All this discussion so close to home, too:

manthou — March 10, 2012 at 10:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

i'm beginning to worry about us...such total dependence on devices. how many of us can actually start a fire? how many have a safe place to do that?

have any of us camped the old-fashioned way...tent, basic supplies and fishing pole? lived for a week on what you can catch and filtering water...?

i'm just as bad. as i sat here catching up on the posts, *something* in my living room beeped three quiet times, and now i'm sitting here concerned that something's going to explode.

we are waaaaay too stressed over the wrong things nowadays.

DeeLittle — March 10, 2012 at 1:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee, filtering water? I do that every day. My water comes from an underground spring and if my pump ever quits all I have to do is go out with a bucket and dip. The river is just across the yard and I can start a fire in the back yard if I have to. I still have a camping cook stove and other camping supplies that I can use if necessary. Also, I have two generators and several gallons of gas if needed.

I do enjoy the trappings of life but I can revert at any time.

Just came home from the RV show, some nice units but I'm not buying right now. However, if someone was buying, there are LOTS of good deals and the salesmen were really ready to deal.

hawkeye — March 10, 2012 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

i live next to a duck pond......

just saying...... :)

DeeLittle — March 10, 2012 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gather the correct wood (some is toxic), chop wood, build a fire in the wood stove...✔
Cook over open fire...✔
Filter water for drinkability (general grocery store filter pitchers aren't enough. (Hawkeye, I suggest boiling water you gather from a stream to prevent the onset of issues with Giardia)...✔
Cook from scratch...✔
Rustic Camper, tent, sleeping bags, set up tarps for rainy weather, know how to build a shelter...✔
Forage for wild edibles, fishing (cleaning the fish), dress wild game for meals, tan hides for leather...✔
Grow my own crops...✔
Cook from scratch...✔ can utilize the internet to educate yourselves on it. It really isn't that difficult. If I've been able to do it, you could too!!! You can also gain excellent information from the old series of books on Appalachian living called "Foxfire," or check out magazines like Mother Earth News and Backwoods Home (Oregon Publisher by the way)...both are online as well.

goldenoldie — March 10, 2012 at 4:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal DeeLittle: It's sad to say, many folks are doing away with their land line telephone and that is one of the worst mistakes people are making. I'm not speaking of those cordless wall phones...I'm speaking of the corded phones. If cell towers fail, the corded phones still work. If power goes out, the corded phones still work. If you have already done away with your land line, I suggest a CB radio as a back up.

Funny how we get so accustomed to "easy" accessibility with computers, cell phones and all that. My latest "hobby" is re-discovering what computers have good old fashioned board games. I love the computer game MahJong and have tried for a few years to locate the tile game. We now have it at home and it is a great game for stimulating the mind.

And Dee...there's nothing better than rediscovering an old book which is now online...but hard to find in book form.

Also...I've been looking for old kitchen gadgets which don't require electricity.

I'm many of you have one of those old hand-cranked mixers or an old fashioned coffee grinder with a hand crank???

Just some things to think about!

goldenoldie — March 10, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


do some planning on how to get required meds...maybe have dr order (not gonna happen if pain meds...)

FIRST AID supplies...

"make do" substitutes for above too....

DeeLittle — March 10, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Hawkeye, I suggest boiling water you gather from a stream to prevent the onset of issues with Giardia"

We have two filters for sediment and one UV filter for everything else. I've had the water tested and it's a little hard but other than that, it's great. If need be, I can treat it with iodine or boil it. I'm not worried. Also, since we've done a lot of camping over the years, we have compiled lots of gear for cooking.

hawkeye — March 10, 2012 at 5:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If we're going to survivalist mode, get the old Boy Scout handbook - it told you nearly everything you need to know to survive in the wild. The one we used in the early 1960's was best - starting fires in wet terrain, knots, first aid, map and compass reading, taking care of axes and knives, and a whole lot more.

roger — March 10, 2012 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oooh, Roger...good one! I think I still have my brother's handbook. Survivalist mode? Naw...just scaling back in life as things get too expensive...and we ALL know the price of everything keeps going in only one direction.


Hawkeye, not many people typically have iodine on hand. Boiling the water for 3-5 minutes...and if it's cloudy, it needs filtering...are the rules of thumb.


DeeLittle, always good advice.

goldenoldie — March 10, 2012 at 7:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Jury selection to begin in Philadelphia church abuse scandal**

Typically in the sex abuse scandals that have rocked the Roman Catholic church for decades, cases have been settled out of court. Rarely --- just 30 to 40 priests out of more than 1,000 accused -- do such cases go to trial.

The church has paid out some $2 billion in settlements to victims, bankrupting a handful of dioceses.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

***BIG, BIG, BIG*** sigh....!!!

Nailingit...really...when are you going to stop this ridiculous nonsense??? Why are you focusing on articles out of Pennsylvania??? There's sex abuse scandals in every facet of society in anytown USA and the world. It isn't just in the Catholic Churches. It's in the public school systems, it's where people work, it's in the doctors' offices and dentist offices, it's in the synagogues, the halls, the temples, the homes of friends and relatives, the supermarkets, the shopping's EVERYWHERE!!! It is a festering social issue which needs to be stopped.

Rather than trying to blast the Christian faith all the time just because sexual predators take it upon themselves to hide behind the cloth and the news feeds off of crap like this, doesn't mean all of Christianity is bad. Just what is it you loathe about Christianity??? What is it you fear?

Seriously, you make it quite difficult to carry on a civil discussion in the forum when you put your bullseye on the Roman Catholics and Christianity in general. We know you have issues with it, so why carry on like this?

Why is it you never discuss those sexual predators who are arrested and convicted right here in our public schools? Why is it you never make comments about those who are Level III convicted sex offenders who are put out on the street and listed as "Homeless???"

I'm asking you just this once, nailingit.

Give it a rest, will ya???

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

If I didn't know better nailingit, I'd think you were trying to be Lou Brancaccio in the forum. Thanks but no thanks. One Lou is plenty!!! Right Lou!!!

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Finally...regarding your comment at 6:57 am...who gives a rats behind what Newt Gingrich thinks? Haven't you seen the numbers of delegates he's holding in the elections? Do you seriously consider him a threat???

And how many people do you think truly take GCB seriously??? It's called "entertainment..." rather weak and in my opinion...socially inept, but it's still entertainment.

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good morning goldenoldie! Supposed to be a rainy week but I hope we get a little sunshine.

Thanks for your input!

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie: I have enjoyed reading about your attempts to be self-supporting and frugal in this high-tech culture that values product consumption so much. I agree that it is best to live "below" one's means and learn how to take care of yourself and family. More and more folks are getting into it. It is a fun challenge. And there is a lot of power in having the self-discipline to follow the road less traveled. I am not quite at the level that I can turn in the keys to my city-dweller home for one out in the country, but I can support local urban growers and businesses for most necessities on foot without having to get in a car and enter in a big box store. Now, if only I were a better baker.........


Paris Achen: I very much enjoyed learning about the pros and cons of government-issued vehicles to employees in Clark County this morning. I thank you for the thorough research and balanced reporting. I learned a great deal from your hard work. This is the kind of non-sensational, informative reporting that makes a newspaper great, IMHO.

The state agency for which I work owned and maintained their own autos outright, but had to give them back to the state motor pool in a poorly-researched move that actually costs more money than it saves. Sometimes people do not take the time to discover the facts and right now appearance seems to trump the truth. Taxpayers are understandably skittish and vigilant now, but they often form opinion based on emotion and fear. Not good policy-making.

manthou — March 11, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"We are NOT the people of the Old Testament, we are the people of the New Testament. Always amazes me how Non-believers run to/quote from the Old Testament every time."

ELISI-I wonder what the Jewish faith has to say about all those weird old testament edicts...especially the ones with the little beanie caps.

normseubert — March 11, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Newt Gingrich: Mitt Romney The Weakest Republican Frontrunner In 90 Years**

Gingrich reiterated his claims that he could quickly get the cost of a gallon of gas down to $2.50, telling Wallace he could accomplish that goal "within two years, maybe faster."

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

norm- And the ones with the beanies are pulling us into yet another war. This time it could be the war many Evangelicals pray for. War # 3 leading to Armageddon and the return of Christ. Inherent with the Evangelical faith comes the belief that Jews are God's chosen people. They believe God favors the Jews and the countries that support Israel. In a way, Conservatives are like political Kamikazi's.

Many if not all Evangelicals teach and believe they are Jewish also. They believe being "born again" gives you Jewish birthrights because then you are born from the seed of Abraham. (and they aren't forced to wear beanie caps!)

It's why conservatives blindly support Israel no matter what the cost.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

normseubert at 8:17 am: Well-said. Generalizing the world's diverse faiths and cultures into two broad categories serves no good purpose other than to polarize good people using a biased criterion. What is a believer anyway?

We need to start focusing on the commonalities and good. There is enough rancor and divisiveness without manufacturing more.

nailingit: How have you been? I keep thinking that we will be treated to a brokered Republican convention still. I do not think that Mitt Romney will garner all the electoral votes he needs before the end of August. I could be wrong. But it is a hunch.

manthou — March 11, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...that should be "because then you are born from the "spiritual" seed of Abraham. Which is even more separatist, divisive and high minded then a natural birth would provide.

One could equate it with the need and commandments of the Mormons praying for the dead because many "infidels" died not being exposed to the "one true salvation" only the Mormon faith provides. Elitism and separatism seem to be inherent qualities in Mormon and mainstream Christian faiths..

.. just sayin'

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- Good thank you. Your Romney question ties into my "rants" for the last year that Romney would never be accepted by mainstream conservatives because of his Mormon beliefs.

And that's a bummer in my opinion. If he was Evangelical or of mainstream Christian faith he would have had this nomination wrapped up a long time ago. Bigotry has affected our political arena since 2008 like never before.

I don't think he'll get the delegates either. Evangelicals are making their charge and I think they are going all out this time to include a brokered convention in order to have their voices heard even more than they have. These issues involving Women's healthcare and voting rights aren't going away.

Evangelicals and Mormons each believe so passionately about their faiths, there will always be this type of split in the conservative movement.

And how have you been? It's good to see you post.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I truly am flabbergasted with the attack on women's self-determination with health.

I keep thinking it is the Sarah Palin error redux. When Hillary Clinton lost to President Obama, the Republicans truly believed that adding a woman, ANY woman, would lure the disgruntled Clinton supporters to the right side.

I cannot believe the massive political miscalulation that was and I cannot believe what thinking error made them believe it was a good decision. You have to share more than body parts to lure women voters. They are smarter than that.

I feel the same way now with this attack on women's self-determination. Repressive laws that interfere with personal decisions and are simply bad medical/public health practice are being signed into law.

I think our state will be one that benefits from the mass exodus of female brain power and logic that will result in these laws. Who wants to live in a 1950's world after experiencing the alternatives? Some women may like it. But I will wager that most would not. And this is a unifying force for Republican and Democratic women.

Remember my new favorite bumper sticker/button:

"Women brought politicians into this world. Women will take them out in 2012."


manthou — March 11, 2012 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

normseubert — March 11, 2012 at 8:17 a.m

I honestly do not know. I do know that the Jewish people do not study the New Testament. As far as I understand, the Jewish people do not believe the Messiah has come as of yet, that is why they have no New Testament.

We did, at one time have a Jewish family attend our church, the husband did wear his kippah or keppah. The family considered themselves as Jewish/Christian.

ELISI — March 11, 2012 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I would like to see, anyone who studies and practices the Jewish faith would post on the forum and enlighten all of us. I'm sure there would be many questions some have that they could answer and clear up any misunderstanding of their faith.

ELISI — March 11, 2012 at 10:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A VERY simple answer is that the Messiah will be descended from King David, will be properly anointed, will gather all the Jews back to Israel, will rebuild the Temple, and will usher in the Messianic Age (a time of world peace, etc).

Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share this belief.

Christians and Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah; that he sits at the side of God, and on his return will usher in this age of peace.

Jews see Jesus as a prophet of sorts - more along the lines of John the Baptist and several others. They're still waiting for the true Messiah.

Whenever this Second Coming does happen, we're supposed to have a final conflict between Good and Evil (Christ and AntiChrist), at Armageddon or elsewhere, and Good will triumph. True believers will live forever in peace, etc.

Evangelicals, especially the newer branches that descend from Pat Robertson (as opposed to the older traditional ones that Billy Graham is probably the best known of), want this time to come now. Our world has become much too evil, and a lot of Revelations stuff. Hence their rabid support of their traditional Jewish "Christ Killer" enemies and the State of Israel - they see this as the gathering of the Tribes that precedes the final conflict. Kind of an end justifies the means. And seeing as how the Moslems currently hold the Temple Mount and have a mosque there - another reason for them to support the hardliners in the Israeli government (Netanyahu and crowd) who oppose any peace that doesn't return this to them.

Most regions of the world have similar conflicts that have been included in their religious books. The Hindus have some wonderful battles between Krishna and some bad guy gods whose names escape me at the moment. The Chinese have a history, from before the Buddha, that deals with this conflict. And we've slowly been able to learn the Mayan hieroglyphs enough to say they also had them. This list can be expanded on.

What does this all tell me? First, that the story of the conflicts of the gods has been repeated way too many times to be coincidence. And second, that when/if the "end of times" comes - there are NO GUARANTEES based on what you elect to believe.

roger — March 11, 2012 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- Great bumper sticker! I believe having women at the table when it comes to governing betters our political system in so many ways. The number of women in Congress are far too few, especially on the right. We need a good balance in both parties and both halls of Congress as well.

I don't think the conservatives pushing the war on women care about poll numbers, and place their party second next to "pursuing God"s will". For many, unfortunately, putting a black president/family in the White House was too much. And for those on the right that will shout racism, hardly a week doesn't go by that a GOP politician, and in recent days even a Federal Judge isn't caught sending racist e-mails or making a racist statement. They are representatives of their "conservative base". Not all of the base course, but I don't hear shouts of condemnation coming from the base direction.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou at 8:17 a.m.

A hearty good and blustery Sunday afternoon to you. In response to your comment, it's always in our county's best economic interest to support local vendors and in many neighborhoods, there are urban gardens where you can pay a small fee and utilize garden space for your own needs.

Here's food for thought (no pun intended). Ten and a half years ago, the terrorist attack at the WTC was such that air travel nationwide stopped. The roads and highways were silent. What would you would you go about preparing yourself for the possibility that we are ordered to stay in our homes and that banks and credit unions would be closed or that telecommunications would be down? OR what if we had one of those nasty, nasty winter storms which would knock out power for several days...possibly causing damage to your residence to the point you had nowhere to turn and the roadways were impassible (nevermind the threat of earthquakes...that one gives me the chills just thinking about it) would you go about preparing yourself for such emergencies?

Now I'm not trying to come off like an alarmist as that is not my intention. It's just a good idea to think of what you would do and how you'd prepare. Do I think I'm 100% ready??? Hardly, but I would have some of the basic skills and supplies needed to weather it out at least for awhile.

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- I guess I think Sunday is a great day to speak of religion/God. Just expressing my opinion. Again, as always, and not to sound redundant to others, I vilify the infusion of religion into politics. Not Christians. Not Catholics. Not Muslims. Not Mormons. etc. I believe in inclusion. On a few levels. I respect the faith, but not the politically faithful and institutions that have brought so much harm to our society. The article you didn't seem to appreciate is an important one. It involves the high ranks of the Vatican. Hopefully society doesn't shrug off controversies such as this..I'm sure the countless victims both living and dead wish the same.

Your criticism that I speak only of sexual abuse at the church level and not on other levels. Not altogether true, but basically correct. Kind of like criticizing me for only speaking of our nation's economic woes, but paying little attention at the local level. I'm not getting your point.

I wanted to respond as to not disrespect your questioning.

It is not less than "civil", to post articles that go against your thinking. The articles, whether it be my postings or someone else, as discussion does, means something to that person. If you think the source is tainted, or the journalistic standards are less than please point that out. I certainly do on occasion.

Peace! It's Sunday. Let's have a restful day.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, I appreciate you showing respect in your well-thought comment. I have no issues when it comes to discussion in the manner of comprehension of the writes of the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Qur'an or any other religious writes and why people follow or refuse to follow the writes. Quite honestly, I think a hearty discussion and explanation such as Roger did at 10:57 am is a wonderful way for everyone to form their own conclusions.

Also nailingit, I don't know why you would single out Sunday as being the best day as there are those who celebrate their Sabbath on a different day other than Sunday. (Unless you had other intentions???) What does bother me is when certain articles are brought to attention in direct connection with others which are obviously written with the expressed intention of instigating negative emotion in discussion and to degrade the right to religious freedom. wouldn't Newt Gingrich have just as much right to say what he believes as you or I have the right to say what we do? Why must an article be written to make what he believes in as something scandalous? I'm not saying I agree or disagree with his thoughts...but he has a right to say what he does.

Nailingit, maybe if you hadn't posted two articles, one right after the other in the example of 6:57 am and 7:05 am which easily set the mood for argument.

Also nailingit, what you have failed to mention is the fact that the very same institutions you have stated are quote unquote "...instilling harm to our society..." have brought a lot of good to our society as well. Because of some bad seeds, the entire institution should be lambasted??? You know the old saying..."Let he who is without sin..." Maybe you could explain to me one institution...not necessarily a religious institution, but one institution the size of any of those you have listed which in your opinion is without you believe that hasn't had some kind of negative impact on our society in one form or another. I guarantee you my fellow writer and commenting could find dirt on the internet with regards to just about any institution the size of any religious entity you have listed.

And IS a restful day. Hubby just got home after two days at the coast...brought wonderful razor clams for a few future seafood dinners! Mmmm!!! Deep fried Razors...and Clam Chowder!!! Yummy!!!!

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I've never understood the love affair some have with Christie.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nailingit, sometimes your wit cracks me up. Just your comment about Christie brought a smile to my face. A love affair with Governor Christie?

ehehew...that one churned my stomach.

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A US soldier is reported to have left his post and singlehandedly shot 16 Afghan civilians: mostly women and children. There are suspicions that he could not have acted alone. He was from Lewis-McChord.

This will ignite so much more anti-American sentiment there.

manthou — March 11, 2012 at 5:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Christians and Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah; that he sits at the side of God, and on his return will usher in this age of peace.*~~~~~~~~~~~

*Whenever this Second Coming does happen, we're supposed to have a final conflict between Good and Evil (Christ and AntiChrist), at Armageddon or elsewhere, and Good will triumph. True believers will live forever in peace, etc.*~~~~~~~

not quite. muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet. also, if one studies the new testament, one sees that Jesus is, in fact, a descendent of the house of david (from mary, his mother), was anointed when baptized by john (also additional places), and the temple he rebuilt was his own body. he defeated satan with his death and return.

it's actually quite fascinating to study it...whether one believes or not.

DeeLittle — March 11, 2012 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For some reason, the embed feature isn't working on my computer. Link will have to suffice.

[Understanding Democrat][1]

[Passionate Democrat][2]

[Passionate Democrat revealed (the emporer has no clothes).][3]


kn_dalai — March 11, 2012 at 5:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISA Thank you for providing the actual name for the small hats that the conservative Jews wear, I suppose my reference to them as beanies might sound a little derogatory. I generally respect any religion who's adherents do not label the rest of humanity as not good enough for God and not part of the chosen few. I tend to dismiss some of the Old Testament as lost in translation deficiencies, improperly interpreted, or somewhat culturally appropriate for that particular period of history.

normseubert — March 11, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And my favorite of all, thanks to the late ray_menlo who first posted this, maybe a couple of years ago.

(some foul language here folks).

[Something tells me this guy isn't a Republican or a Libertarian. Hmmm, Who's left.(I mean Left?][1]

Your fanaticism has really gone over the edge Nail. As has become increasingly apparent over time. Like EL, I wonder about your mental health. And I'm not even trying to be funny or mean here. I wish you the best. I don't know exactly what's going to happen in the 2012 election, but I'm pretty sure it isn't going to be a big victory for the Left, as you and, Manthou (I think) and others believe, Sort of like Wisconsin.


kn_dalai — March 11, 2012 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou @5:10 p.m.

Why do I have a sinking feeling there's something we're not being told...something...??? I can't quite put my finger on it, but it sure seems to me we're suddenly equipped with misfits and folks taking the war into their own hands like a free for all...almost as if someone triggered a reflex mechanism of sorts. There seems to be a run of "strange" behaviors and a lot of apologies coming from the side of the US lately. Is it mind control??? I certainly hope not.

BTW, have you seen the latest military weapon? It was on the news tonight...KPTV. Apparently, they have some kind of "crowd control" utilizing a machine which sends out extreme bursts of heat that causes people to stop suddenly in their tracks and run in the opposite direction because of the heat.

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger and Dee, interesting.

Roger, I’m hardly a religious schlolar, But first of all,, I thought that Abraham and his wife Rebbecah, had Issac, with resulted in the 12 tribes of Israel. And that Abraham and their servant Hagar, had Ismael, who was the progenitor of the Arabs. So that the Jews and the Arabs had the same patriarch in Abraham. My understanding of Jesus in the beliefs of Muslims, is that he was a prophet, but that the last, and true prophet was Mohammed. I had never heard that Jesus was to be resurrected, in the Muslim faith. I would think that that would make Jesus all important in Islam.

I have never read the Bible cover-to-cover, nor have I read the Koran. Both of which are on my reading list before I die, if possible. Religion and politics, are actually, hardly my biggest interests, strange considering the time I’ve spent here in the Basement, but all a part of learning. Which is important to me.

Norm , I think that all males wear the little beanies when attending Synagogue; rather orthodox or… and I’m not quite sure of the correct term here… but reform or liberal Jews. There is the orthodox or ultra orthadox Hasidics, and then there are the others.

kn_dalai — March 11, 2012 at 7:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Kn_dalai @ 6:13 pm...why is it I recall you making a very similar statement to someone else on the C...oh, about a year or so ago???

Hmm... COULDN'T be...

or maybe....

Long, long Sigh...!!!

goldenoldie — March 11, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I find those who fear or hate other cultures and/or religion really do not know or understand what and why they believe what they do. Or they have been hurt someway, somehow by them.

For me, it's very interesting to learn about other cultures and their religious beliefs. I believe learning about them is key to respecting and understanding of the people. Until we all do there never will be peace.

ELISI — March 11, 2012 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Goldie, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but maybe the following covers it.

KNDalai's Three Rules To Understanding the Left:

1. Socialists have been passing themseleves off as liberals for decades.
2. Their agenda is anger driven envy politics over the "unfairness of it all".
3. Liberalism, so called. is a mental disorder.

kn_dalai — March 11, 2012 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie- There are quite a few that think Christie can save the GOP chances for 2012. I don't get it! He's got a rep for saying what's on his mind, but so does my mother! He's made some choices I agree with i.e. his position on the NYC Mosque and condemning the birther movement, aside from that though...he's ill mannered and his spending policies are more than short-sighted. And he's a Republican :))

manthou @ 5:10-:((((( Sad. My heart sinks every time one of these types of incidents make it to the press. I haven't read anything as of yet that he acted not alone. It was just a couple of years ago soldiers from our same base did the civilian thrill comes close to making me physically ill. There are so many committed men and women that do the right just ain't right. Our military by and large tend to gloss over these matters and enact little, many times no judgement of consequence. That has to change but it's no fix. The insane unprecedented amount of deployments have to stop and the recruitment standards raised back to pre 9/11 for a start.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

blah blah .. blah....blah blah liberals....blah blah mental disorder,,,,,blah blah .. and some more.........blah...blah blah blather. What up K_nd mind? You still think the Republican party has no worries?!

*I wonder about your mental health. And I'm not even trying to be funny or mean here.*

And who is the one quoting Ray_Menlo? :))))))))))))

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.

I have not quoted Ray. I have acknowledged where I first saw this video. Otherwise, your big hero Mr. BS would no doubt say: what informs your thinking?

Total jerk that bs he is.

Forget about Ray. The message is the same.

What's with you anyway?

Blah blah Blah ... feel better?

kn_dalai — March 11, 2012 at 9:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

bs...mr_basil_seal? Why do you speak of Basil in such negative terms? *Total jerk that bs he is*. I remember he called you out...citing some form of sloganistic plagiarism on your behalf regarding blah blah..liberals...blah envy poli...blah..tics and men_low disorders.. blah blah.....blah. Is that why you speak of him in such negative terms? I wish mr_basil_seal would post again as he added a lot to the conversation. fro n' basil, (sounds like a tossed salad) basil n' fro (sounds like a salad dressing...hey!) quit about the same time. Both avatarians presented principled arguments.

*I have not quoted Ray. I have acknowledged...*

*And my favorite of all, thanks to the late ray_menlo...*

Sorry. I should have said, "And who is the one expressing endearing matter...

As Hop Sing once said...Ross Ross! Rittle Joe lesting in lailload haytion! To which Hoss replied, "he's just sleeping one off Hop Sing, Don't tell Pa."

*What's with you anyway?
Blah blah Blah ... feel better?*

A little, thanks.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 10:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*What up K_nd mind? You still think the Republican party has no worries?!*

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 11:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting conversation about religion. Understanding is good. Respecting other beliefs, great! A "fascinating study", super! Learning is key, nice thought!

A word that is often times missing in our society when it comes to another's belief system is acceptance.

How many Americans would vote a Muslim into the Presidents office? The right is so fanatical they're not letting a Mormon in. At least not without putting up one helluva fight.

Some right wing conservative extremists vilify the Muslim faith, lie about our President's birthplace and then accuse him of being a 'God awful Muslim". The tea party has made Islam a dirty word and has done nothing but cause strife and division in this area. Imagine Rick Santorum as President addressing the league of Arab Nations. Or the United Nations for that matter. These guys are a joke.

Sometimes it's hard for some to see the forest for he trees. The lines become blurry, and the voices ever so loud...

Honesty begins at home. So does bigotry.

nailingit — March 11, 2012 at 11:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Just watching Really getting himself and audience turned on by repeating over and over vote "stupid out" talking about Obama. I'm not surprised about the conservatives extreme hate for Obama, they just seem so in the open about it now.

There is a reason Jesus admonished his followers "that while being in this world, be not a part of it." The hate and vitriol from the religious right is at a fervor like never before. Since 2008.

After Obama's second term, let's elect a black woman as President. It would drive them over a cliff.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 12:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hi crazy!!! Your powers of observation are only exceeded by your inconsistent verbiage.

Thanks for your input!!!

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 12:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

after reading comments on nail's posts, i am SOOO GLAD i don't read them.

DeeLittle — March 12, 2012 at 12:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

DeeLittle- So am I!!!

I've got a 3 in 1 tonite! The best of!?! Worthy of a .. Golden Globe Award!!!

Thanks for your input!!!

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 12:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**'Game Change': Did Sarah Palin Get Power Mad Late In The Campaign? (VIDEO)**

In the intervening time, though, were many instances where advisors to the McCain campaign were stunned at her lack of knowledge regarding foreign policy, and even domestic concerns. The film alleges that Palin was fed scripts to memorize during debates, where response time is more limited, thus explaining her stronger performances there than in media interviews, like her infamous sit-down with Katie Couric.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 1:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee Little, kn_dalai,

Jesus has different roles (or interpretation of role) dependent on the branch of Islam. A fairly common thought is as follows (cut/paste from a website):

"Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Like Jesus (A.S.), Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (P.B.U.H.) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him. Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete, with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, as God promised to preserve it till the last day for all of humankind, unlike sacred texts of other religions which have mulitple versions and are "revised" periodically. God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator."

Interesting to hear those names for the "beanie." My Philly Jewish friends usually called it a yarmulke. A little digging showed they're all correct. I suppose (if it matters) we'll find it depends what branch.

roger — March 12, 2012 at 5:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mormons seem to be a blend of Scientology, Catholicism, a million of so-called mainstream Christian churches, and Mayan Mysticism/Ritualism.

Given that Romney has been/is serving a leadership role within the church, and claims he is heavily influenced by his beliefs, his role in the church and it's practices are more than fair game. As with Santorum and Gingrich. Certainly was with some guy name Jeremiah.

More than the fair game aspect, further understanding of who is running for President, whether it be good bad or indifferent, is always a good thing.

nailingit — March 12, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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