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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMD02zU9SE

Awful short temper and yes, he did say Jesus Christ will rule a thousand years throned in Missouri!

Prediction...the Cardinals will dominate the World Series during this time.

BTW I think LDS believe the Garden of Eden existed in Mizzou. If so, would Mitt boost federal funding to the state and move the White House to a St. Louis suburb?

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal



**U.S. Election: International Polls Indicate World Would Vote For Obama**

If the world could vote for a U.S. president this week, the outcome would be less than a thriller. Several polls indicate the overwhelming majority of people outside of the U.S. would vote for Barack Obama if they had the chance.

According to a 21-nation poll conducted by GlobeScan/PIPA for the BBC World Service, an average of 50 percent of people surveyed abroad favor Obama. Only 9 percent of those polled prefer Romney, and in 20 out of 21 countries voters would chose Obama.

GlobeScan Director of Global Insights Sam Mountford explains:

While the presidential race in America looks like it's going down to the wire, global public opinion appears to be firmly behind Barack Obama’s re-election — even if two in five express no preference between the two candidates.

According to the survey, two-thirds of Canadians would vote for Obama instead of Romney, a percentage consistent with a recent Angus Reid survey that indicated 72 percent of Canadians favor the current president over his Republican challenger.

If Europeans could cast their ballot, they would overwhelmingly vote Romney out of the picture. Europe is Obama's terrain, and France is the president's strongest backer. Seventy-two percent of the French polled by GlobeScan want to see Obama re-elected. Only 2 percent would vote for Romney.

In Africa, too, Obama would be headed for a clear win, the survey says. Yet markedly, the president has lost support in Kenya, where his ratings drop 21 points.

**Pakistan is the only country in the survey that prefers a Romney presidency.** Fourteen percent of polled Pakistanis would vote Republican, against 11 percent Democrat. Seventy-five percent of Pakistanis do not favor either candidate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/04/us-election-international-poll_n_2066972.html

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 12:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

Wow now this is some really investigative news.... You’re talking about all the countries that are basically socialistic.. They want Obama to win so he can continue trying to rob from those that have worked for their money and give more of it to those who make less....See here in our society most people don't want the government taking more of their money, but maybe you do, because you’re just that kinda guy... Let’s just call you Robin Hood instead of Nail....

I don't give a rip what other countries think should be our president... All these folks want is another handout from the citizens the US.. Maybe they think Romney would reassess how much world aid we should be giving these fine folks...Hum just maybe they think he'll do what the majority of America wants is to spend more money here helping our citizens first and foremost before extending the bounty overseas....

Military Endorsing and voting for Romney
Senior officers and decorated personnel endorsing Mitt Romney:

Adm. James B. Busey, USN, Gen. James T. Conway, USMC, Gen. Terrence R. Dake, USMC, Adm. James O. Ellis, USN, Adm. Mark Fitzgerald, USM, Gen. Ronald R. Fogleman, USAF, Gen. Tommy Franks, USA, Gen. Alfred Hansen, USAF, Adm. Ronald Jackson Hays, USN, Adm. Thomas Bibb Hayward, USN, Gen. Chuck Albert Horner, USAF, Adm. Jerome LaMarr Johnson, USN, Adm. Timothy J. Keating, USN, Gen. Paul X. Kelley, USMC, Gen. William Kernan, USA, Adm. George E.R. Kinnear II, USN, Gen. William L. Kirk, USAF, Gen. James J. Lindsay, USA, Gen. William R. Looney III, USAF, Adm. Hank Mauz, USN, Gen. Robert Magnus, USMC, Adm. Paul David Miller, USN, Gen. Henry Hugh Shelton, en. David F. Bice, USMC, Rear Adm. Linda J. Bird, USN, Rear Adm. James H. Black, USN, Rear Adm. Peter A. Bondi, USN, Major Gen. John L. Borling, USMC, Major Gen. Tom Braaten, USA, Major Gen. Robert J. Brandt, USA, Rear Adm. Jerry C. Breast, USN, Rear Adm. Bruce B. Bremner, USN, Rear Adm. Thomas F. Brown III, USN, Major Gen. David P. Burford, USA, Rear Adm. John F. Calvert, USN, Rear Adm. Jay A. Campbell, USN, Major Gen. Henry Canterbury, USAF, Rear Adm. James J. n. Robert M. Marquette, USAF, Rear Adm. Larry Marsh, USN, Major Gen. Clark W. Martin, USAF, Major Gen. William M. Matz, USN, Rear Adm. Gerard Mauer, USN, Rear Adm. William J. McDaniel, Norwood, USAF, Rear Adm. Robert C. Olsen, USN, Major Gen. Raymund E. O'Mara, USAF, Rear Adm. Robert S. Owens, USN, Rear Adm. John F. Paddock, USN, Major Gen. Robert W. Paret, USAF, Rear Adm. Robert O. Passmore, USN, Major Gen. Earl G.

Senior officers endorsing Barack Hussein Obama:

Gen. Wesley Clark, USA, Gen. Colin Powell, USA, Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, USA, Adm. Donald Gutter, USN, Adm. John Nathman, USN.

Enough Said: Less than 40% of our Military supports Obama...

vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


:))) Entertaining! I'll give you that much.

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

--PSA--Not too late to vote by mail as long as your ballot is postmarked by tomorrow.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Who's gonna win this thing?

Lou Brancaccio (Columbian Staff) — November 5, 2012 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Fingers crossed..Obama. Hopefully Inslee for Gov

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I think I remember reading where military officers endorsing politicians was either not allowed or considered unethical.

For this reason, the nation’s highest-ranking military officer, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has weighed in on the issue.

“In my judgment, we must continue to be thoughtful about how our actions and opinions reflect on the profession beyond active service,” he wrote in a message to US troops. “Former and retired service members, especially generals and admirals, are connected to military service for life. When the title or uniform is used for partisan purposes, it can erode the trust relationship.”

Perhaps these feel their opinion is worth chancing a career over, or aren't too worried the winner will notice if they endorsed the other guy. Would be uncomfortable, I'd think, to report to a guy that knows you didn't want to serve under him.

mrd — November 5, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Lou Brancaccio

There isn't enough difference between the two for it to make a difference who wins. They both support the same policies of military intervention abroad and suppression of individual liberties domestically.

frobert — November 5, 2012 at 3 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Me, Lou.

Drift — November 5, 2012 at 3:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


MRD

Well said and yes, those in the military have to be very careful what they say about anything that is contrary to what the President says.

Fro- So sad that you think there is no difference between these two men. One is pushing Socialism and divisive tactics to the extreme and the other candidate wants to restore America and create jobs, balance a budget and not be the world’s bully but be the leader of the free world.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/milpolitics.htm

vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Just curious.....would you source your 1:40 post. I did and well...

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.

The Patriot Act, the war on drugs and NDAA are not only expensive but do nothing to restore America. Romney, just like Obama is a neocon and has promised to continue the reckless spending when it comes to war and suppressing the liberties of Americans. As a conservative, I would be embarrassed to be compared to the likes of Romney.

frobert — November 5, 2012 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/04/Romney-Garners-Obama-s-Military-Endorsements-Times-100

Nice article and it sends and says a very important message.

vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa @ 4- That explains it!! :)) Thanks.

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 4:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Nail-

Here is the article...Must be outdated or was done by Republican pollsters huh???

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/veteran-heavy-states-military-issues-magnified-17574343?page=2#.UJhaEmcltdk

Romney, who has no military service, led Obama among active duty military and veterans, 59% to 37%, in a national Gallup poll taken this month. My family has many years of Military experience and I would have to say among the active and retired of the past 10 years all 4 are voting Romney. But back in 2008 2 of the younger ones did vote for Obama. What changes their minds were war which they had both fought with one still in Afghanistan...To hear what I hear I simply prey they come home ASAP and safe. I won't elaborate...

Well lets hope as many folks get out to vote as they can. It so very important. may everyone be safe.

vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Your article mentions nothing with regardsto your 1:40 post and it also accuses Obama of cutting the Military by 1 Trillion instead of placing the blame on Republican leadership/Sequestration.

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


perhaps it's time for UN observers to monitor American elections. At least it might save some time.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/04/14923543-will-election-day-be-a-perfect-storm-four-nightmare-scenarios-for-what-could-go-wrong?lite&ocid;=msnhp&pos;=5

mrd — November 5, 2012 at 4:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Gotta go to page 2 sunny boy here is the cut and paste version for those like me who are sometimes computer challeneged

Page 2 of 2
NORFOLK, Va. October 26, 2012 (AP)

"Nothing is more important than keeping America strong, and you hear it in Romney," said Bob Anderson, a retired Navy veteran from Milburn in northern Virginia.

Romney and Obama are running neck and neck in Virginia, a state Obama carried in 2008 and which Romney needs to reach the electoral threshold.

"Unlike cutting the military as this president would do by a trillion dollars, I will instead maintain our military strength because that is because America's military must be second to none and so strong that no one would ever test us," Romney said last week at a rally in Leesburg, Va.

Romney also accuses Obama of doing too little to expedite the backlog of claims for disability, pension and educational benefits at the Department of Veterans Affairs. That criticism echoes through a Virginia Beach Republican phone bank, where veterans and their spouses volunteer.

"Veterans always found more for us. We need to find more for them," said Elizabeth Blackley, a veteran wife and Virginia Beach volunteer.

Overall, veterans' issues don't even crack the top 10 in national polls of campaign priorities, where the federal budget deficit, health care, terrorism and illegal immigration run far behind jobs.

The veteran vote has hardly been a bellwether in recent elections.
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FILE - In this Sept. 26, 2012, file photo,... View Full Caption

In 2008, Republican nominee John McCain, a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, beat Obama, who has no military experience, by 10 percentage points among voters who said they had served in the military, according to exit polls. Republican President George W. Bush in 2004 won 57 percent of voters who said they had served, compared to 41 percent for Democrat John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War veteran. Bush had served in the Texas Air National Guard.

**Romney, who has no military service, led Obama among active duty military and veterans, 59% to 37%, in a national Gallup poll taken this month.**

Although trailing with veterans overall, Obama leads among younger and minority veterans.

The president points to winding down wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, increasing the budget for the VA and enacting programs aimed at providing veterans with education, employment and housing.

"When our troops come home and take off their uniform, we will serve them as well as they've served us -- because if you fought for this country, you shouldn't have to fight for a job or a roof over your heard when you come home," Obama said last month in Miami.

vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Your article mentions nothing with regardsto your 1:40 post and it also accuses Obama of cutting the Military by 1 Trillion instead of placing the blame on Republican leadership/Sequestration.

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting dynamics!

**Chris Christie Denied Mitt Romney Request To Appear At Campaign Event Days Ahead Of 2012 Election**

BOSTON -- New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was effusive in his praise of President Barack Obama when the two leaders toured damage from Hurricane Sandy last week, turned down a request by Mitt Romney to appear with him at a rally on Sunday night in Pennsylvania, The Huffington Post has learned.

Christie's decision will only add to questions among Republicans about what the governor -- who is up for reelection a year from now -- is thinking, and why he went out of his way to heap praise on the president, and then refused to appear with Romney.

The Romney rally was held at a farm in Morrisville, Pa., not more than 20 minutes from Trenton, the New Jersey capital. The physical proximity of the event to New Jersey only added to questions in the Romney campaign about why Christie chose not to come.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/chris-christie-mitt-romney_n_2079371.html

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 7:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Who's gonna win this thing?
Lou Brancaccio**

bankers, uber-rich, unions, ceo's of international corporations.

we'll get the usual kiddie's lollipop of benefits to keep us from making noise.

DeeLittle — November 5, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal



How dare they! How dare they hold contempt from day 1 for an elected President who comes into office inheriting an America on life support, reeling from the decisions of their last Best Man and swindling Wall Street mentality his policies nurtured among those who's decisions on the Floor and in high rise buildings, in rooms seen by few destroyed the dreams and lively hoods of Millions of Americans. He was a reckless leader. Post 9/11 he came out swinging at anything that moved leaving in his wake two wars still being "fought" and not so much as a clue to the whereabouts of the source of our Revenge, let alone a plan to know when victory had been achieved. How dare they!
How dare they mock an elected President with epitaphs and signs resembling him as Hitler, when he boldly put forth a plan to provide Healthcare to the nation’s weak and less fortunate, thinking only of themselves and the Lobbyist whose beds they warmed at night. How dare they demand he bring America back to where she couldn't go, from places she never should have been and troubles she never should have borne in the first place. How dare they! How dare they take a government and render it comically dysfunctional, on rhetoric, abuse of procedural allowance and an all or nothing, Ideology first, Country second stubborn contempt that even damaged our credit worthiness in the eyes of the World.
How dare they THEN, after two years, dozens of debates, millions of their disciples from which to chose, a Supreme Court in their pocket allowing for billions of dollars in theirs, untold Fat Cats with untold riches and untold influence, have the GALL to send America of all people the likes of a Mitt Romney, who lies with the frequency of a Sociopath and wouldn't know the truth if it spray tanned itself all over his face. This incarnate image of the very problem itself. HOW DARE THEY!
They truly do count on America being as stupid as the leaders they put forth. Don't be, VOTE OBAMA!

coug1031 — November 5, 2012 at 10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


All righty then! Here Here!

Bravo!

nailingit — November 5, 2012 at 10:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


coug1031 — November 5, 2012 at 10 p.m

Thank you very much.

hawkeye — November 5, 2012 at 11:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That being said, I'm REALLY getting tired of all this rhetoric and BS coming from all sides of all campaigns. I mean really, THE LIES! One guy did something that "COULD HAVE" done something bad and another bill "MIGHT" do something bad or good depending on who you ask. AND WE AREN'T EVEN A SWING STATE! Can you imagine how the people feel in Ohio or Virginia?

hawkeye — November 5, 2012 at 11:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I mean can you imagine? This guy is the biggest lying machine I've witnessed in my life run for office. When McCain a relative gentleman, and man of integrity by comparison, choses the likes of Sarah Palin for a running mate, when he had this guy sitting in the wings,well that says it all don't you think? Just not a trust worthy individuall. Say what you want about Obama, he didn't give me bankers hanging from the lamp posts as I'd have liked, at least he isn't the blatant, sociopathic liar that Myth Romney is. Vote O.

coug1031 — November 5, 2012 at 11:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Vanwa,

You could be right about the military's lack of embrace for Obama. Obviously they feel that Romney will be the one to pump more and more money into an already well equipped military. I find it funny that they would support a guy, who was Pro Vietnam War in college, protesting the protesters, but didn't have the guts to strap on a gun and stand a post. Amazing. Oh wait, he did serve his post, as a Mormon Missionary in that horrible of horribles, the most dreaded mission post the church has....PARIS FRANCE. Wow what a trade off. Tells me the military is as confused as the general conservative voter.

coug1031 — November 6, 2012 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**COUG**
take your meds and lie down, dude. you'll feel much better later.

DeeLittle — November 6, 2012 at 2:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal



*There you go! Done! Over! Who can dispute Dylan?*

**Bob Dylan: Obama Will Win In A 'Landslide'**

Bob Dylan thinks O's got this in the bag.

MADISON, Wis. -- Bob Dylan says he thinks President Barack Obama is going to win a landslide.

Dylan made the prediction Monday night midway through the song "Blowin' in the Wind" during a concert in the battleground state of Wisconsin.

Dylan spoke to the Madison audience as he was wrapping up his concert that came just hours after Obama appeared at a morning rally in the same city with rocker Bruce Springsteen.

Dylan made his comments during his encore when he said, "We tried to play good tonight since the president was here today."

He went on to say he thinks Obama will prevail Tuesday.

Dylan says, "Don't believe the media. I think it's going to be a landslide."

After his comments, Dylan completed the song to the roar of the crowd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/bob-dylan-obama-win-landslide_n_2081644.html

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


COUG take your meds and lie down, dude. you'll feel much better later.

DeeLittle — November 6, 2012 at 2:02 a.m.

***HaHaHaHa, pot, meet kettle! Funny stuff, Dee. ***

hawkeye — November 6, 2012 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good ELECTION DAY morning, everyone!!!!

Today is the day of decision shared by every one of us who have or will deliver(ed) our ballots!!!

We all should truly be thankful for the fact that we have the freedom to vote for who or what we truly believe as the right choice and nobody should ever chastise, condemn or ridicule us for our political choice. Yeah...some of us will be disappointed, even angry...and others will be deliriously happy when their choice has won the popularity of the people...but it's a process which aligns the very basis of our constitutional rights...our freedom...and we should never take that for granted. We're fortunate to live in what I believe is the most wonderful nation to live in this world.

Now is the time which we should all come together in unity and continue the path of greatness of our nation by staying involved and letting our elected leaders know our concerns. Our job is not done with just one ballot.

The best part about this election day?????

No more Robo Calls or doorknockers!!! (just teasin')

Have a great day, folks!!!

goldenoldie — November 6, 2012 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Presidential Election 2012 Brings The Romney-Silverization Of Politics: Countdown D-Day**

NEW YORK CITY -- Today, Election Day, marks the end of the most expensive, least informative, least inspiring presidential election since TV took over politics in the Kennedy-Nixon race of 1960.

Whose fault is that?

I’ll start with Mitt Romney, who ran a race based solely on the “take the curtain” impulse from the old “Let’s Make a Deal” show.

Voters could settle for what they knew and sort of liked but were not crazy about –- President Obama –- or they could take a gamble on what was behind the curtain without having the faintest idea whether it was a trip to the Bahamas or a dog bowl.

What did we end up knowing about Romney? Arguably much less than we knew a few years ago. There is probably something gamey if not illegal in his tax returns of yore -- but nuts to you, the voter, if you wanted to know what that history was.

He just flat out wasn’t going to tell you. Ditto for his records as governor as Massachusetts, most of which he had wiped clean from the hard drives of the computers his staff used in Boston.

Same for any real details of what he would do to create those 12 million jobs in the next four years– which economists predicted the economy would produce given the course it was already on.

The president was hardly more specific about the future, but at least he had a record he was forced to defend, and explain.

All campaigns are about winning -– that’s the point of them -– but this one seemed to have squeezed out virtually everything else.

Obama haters, and they are legion, cared only about getting rid of him -– and that was at the heart of the Romney campaign’s play.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/presidential-election-2012-romney-politics_n_2036245.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


We all know that you have "copy paste" figured out, but do you ever have an original thought?

frobert — November 6, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**GOLDIE**

i love voting. it's the closest thing to personally governing ourselves. i haven't missed an election since i turned 18.

it's got it's problems, of course, graft, lobbyists, sweetheart deals that sell influence gained....but it's also got the ability to clean up the mess.

we're at the point where our rights are now being targeted. speech, religion, privacy...time now to spend some attention on what's happening *to* us and not *for* us.

DeeLittle — November 6, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


..and yet another one..

**Fresno Shooting: Reports Of Mass Shooting At Apple Valley Farms Plant In Central California**

Police have confirmed that at least eight people have been shot during a mass shooting at the premises of the Apple Valley Farms plant in Fresno, California. Two of the victims have reportedly died.

The incident occurred around 8:30 a.m. and dozens of Fresno police officers are on the scene. Sources initially reported that the gunman killed himself nearby.

The Apple Valley Farms plant is located in an industrial area in the central part of the city.

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/fresno-shooting-apple-valley-farms_n_2082653.html

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


LOL! I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was on the Fox payroll! How some of you can watch this drivel as a legitimate news source is amazing!

**Fox News obsessed with lone Black Panther**

On the most imporant day in American politics, one of Fox News’s biggest stories has been about a lone New Black Panther Party member standing outside a Philadelphia polling place.

Fox News has featured several segments today on Jerry Jackson, who was charged in 2008 for voter intimidation, although the charges against him were later dropped. Jackson was spotted outside a Philadelphia polling place Tuesday morning, and Fox News confirmed Jackson is a designated poll watcher.

Fox News's "Fox & Friends" kicked off the coverage of the New Black Panther Party today at 8 a.m. with an interview with Get Out The Vet's Ben Brink about how Navy SEALs and other veterans will "fight back" against such voter intimidation from the New Black Panther Party. About ten minutes later, Fox News's Gretchen Carlson introduced video of the man standing outside the polling place.

"This is a member of the Black Panthers standing guard outside a polling place in Philadelphia. Does it look reminiscent? Remember this from four years ago? The organization said it was thinking about monitoring the election. Critics say it's more like intimidation. The Black Panthers also stood guard at polling places in 2008 in Philly, the group's leader with a night stick in his hand. It looks very similar," she said.

Read more @ http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/fox-news-obsessed-with-lone-black-panther-148638.html?hp=lh_b10

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ob·ses·sion

Noun:

1) The state of being obsessed with someone or something.

2) An idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.

goldenoldie — November 6, 2012 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal



My thoughts on forum discussions lately:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbw0ev_ocd-dog-video_animals

goldenoldie — November 6, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Nail*

*it also accuses Obama of cutting the Military by 1 Trillion instead of placing the blame on Republican leadership/Sequestration.* Blame , Blame , Blame= Lame , Lame , Lame

R U Serious... Really that's the answer.. No it's just your answer....If Romney wins it will be because Hope and Change, the Kind Obama promised never materialized because he had no plan... Nail if you can come up with Obama's new plan for the next 4 years let us all know if he gets elected... It is pretty sad when your own military active and retired are voting 63% against you.. What does that one statement say about your leadership! It says it all...

vanwadreamer — November 6, 2012 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Some entertainment! :))

**Sean Hannity May Have Broken Law While Tweeting Picture Of Ballot: Think Progress**

Did Sean Hannity break the law while voting on Tuesday?

That's what Think Progress wondered after the Fox News host tweeted a picture of his ballot. (No surprise -- he voted the straight Conservative Party ticket.)

Here's Hannity's ballot:

[go to website]

He's far from the only person sharing his vote on social media -- a Pew survey found that 22 percent of people have signalled who they are voting for on Facebook or Twitter. Nor is Hannity the only big name tweeting a picture of his ballot. (Kim Kardashian did it too!)

But, as Think Progress noted, Hannity tweeted the picture with his completed vote -- and that may have violated New York state law, which says that anyone who "Shows his ballot after it is prepared for voting, to any person so as to reveal the contents, or solicits a voter to show the same," could be charged with a misdemeanor. Photographing a completed ballot is prohibited in many other states as well.

Only time will tell if the police eventually show up at Hannity's door.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/sean-hannity-voting-ballot-broken-law_n_2082929.html

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Early exit polls Show Obama with a huge lead.....

vanwadreamer — November 6, 2012 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well nailingit, it’s the Big day! I know you’ve been waiting four long years for this! (Just how does someone hold their breath for four years anyway. Well no matter.)

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
In the spirit of camaraderie, I wish to dedicate this educational video to extremist Leftists everywhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myH...

kn_dalai — November 6, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That will change however when all the Republicans get off work at 5pm

vanwadreamer — November 6, 2012 at 2:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Oregon election worker fired for altering ballots to Republican straight ticket**

An election worker in Oregon is facing a criminal investigation for allegedly altering multiple ballots to benefit Republican candidates.

**RELATED: PA voting machine ‘taken out of service’ for flipping votes to Romney**

In a press release on Monday, Clackamas County spokesperson Tim Heider said that 55-year-old Deanna Swenson had been “relieved of duty immediately after the alleged ballot tampering was discovered.”

Swenson, who was registered as a Republican, was accused of filling in a Republican straight ticket on ballots where voters did not specify a choice.

Contacted by Willamette Week, Swenson tearfully insisted that it was “only the two” ballots that had been altered.

The Oregon Department of Justice began an investigation last week after an elections official reportedly observed ballots being altered.

“At this point, it is unclear how many ballots the employee at issue had access to, or what will be done with those ballots,” the sheriff’s office said on Monday.

At a Monday emergency meeting, officials in Clackamas County announced that the altered ballots would not be counted. Since ballots were anonymous, disenfranchised voters would not be given a chance to re-cast their votes.

Swenson has worked in elections since at least 2000, according to the Clackamas County spokesperson.

Blue Oregon’s Kari Chisholm reported that **the Oregon City woman’s Facebook page indicated she “liked” various conservative personalities, candidates and organizations including the Republican National Committee, The Tea Party, Paul Ryan VP, the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC), Ann Romney and Fox News.**

If convicted of a Class C felony for ballot tampering, Swenson could face five years in prison and a fine of up to $125,000.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/06/oregon-election-worker-fired-for-altering-ballots-to-republican-straight-ticket/

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*Just how does someone hold their breath for four years anyway.*

kn_dalai — November 6, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.

By occasionally watching Fox news.

btw kudo's to Tung! Nice play.

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*That will change however when all the Republicans get off work at 5pm*

vanwadreamer — November 6, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.

True. Many will fall in line and do as they are told.

One of countless stories involving right wing corporate leaders trying to influence elections this year.

After all, corporations are people...right? **;**)

**Peter Bos, Legendary, Inc. CEO, Attaches Ballot Urging Romney Vote To Employees' Paychecks**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/peter-bos-ballot-romney-legendary_n_2083333.html

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

Come on, you didn't like my joke.. I thought I was making a funny on this great day...

Today Obama will lead the election early till all the Republicans get off work... oh well, it's not my day job....

This out of Florida,

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/15/AFL-CIO-Florida-Democratic-Party-Coordinate-Voter-Intimidation-Efforts

vanwadreamer — November 6, 2012 at 2:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great insight as of late to your "news" sources!

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You still haven't said anything about why so many of our military are voting for Romney.. They certainly arn't in the 1%, more like the 47%...One of the largest voting segments...

vanwadreamer — November 6, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal




vanwa- A Democrat with a higher unfavorable military rating entering an election is nothing new. Sounds like he's doing just fine with those "younger" doing the work. Things are a changin'.

From your article:

Although trailing with veterans overall, Obama leads among younger and minority veterans.

The president points to winding down wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, increasing the budget for the VA and enacting programs aimed at providing veterans with education, employment and housing.

"When our troops come home and take off their uniform, we will serve them as well as they've served us -- because if you fought for this country, you shouldn't have to fight for a job or a roof over your heard when you come home," Obama said last month in Miami.

vanwadreamer — November 5, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 4:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


pssst...hey kn_d..

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ROGER-

cool videos. Too bad Twain's thing was based on the fact we'd actually get two decent choices that would act as he describes.

Our "founding father" invented "human liberty", as slaveowners? Hmmmm..... Lucy-got sum splainin' to do!!!

mrd — November 6, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


..did you vote?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 5:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Things trending well! Senate seats going Blue, Obama has a few key states locked up, Florida incredibly close...

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just turned to Fox! They are bashing Elizabeth Warren for winning in Mass. Doom & Gloom from the Fox crew! :)) Could it be? After four years of a filibuster happy obstructionist congress, limitless campaign $$$ infused due to the conservative majored C.U. decision, the manufacturing of new restrictive voter ID laws in republican controlled states intended to diminish the minority/Obama vote, a highly watched 24 hour news station skewing the news to lean extreme right to include many Fox news "journalists" working directly with Romney, could it be?

A measure of justice? Maybe??

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.

Fox news extreme right? Are you really that clueless, they are center left neocons. If they push for a larger more intrusive government, they are anything but extreme right.

frobert — November 6, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Antics Semantics Schmantics...the right is getting testy! :)))))

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dr. Sam Wong of Princeton Election Consortium has basically called the race for President Obama based on his Bayesian predictions. He published a 5 page "Geek's Guide to the Election" which is keeping my husband happily engaged right now. Funny. Kinda like an adult activity/coloring book. I have been following his updates and basically ignoring the TV drama because so far, everything he has predicted is coming true.

Frankly, my attention right now is on WA governor's race, which has me concerned.

President Obama will be in office four more years. Yay!

I cannot wait to hear Mr. Romney's concession speech.

manthou — November 6, 2012 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Cheering for a President that has seized for himself the power to assassinate citizens, wow, democrats have become a pathetic group.

frobert — November 6, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"President Obama will be in office four more years. Yay!"

My granny used to say "don't count your chickens". I wouldn't.

"I cannot wait to hear Mr. Romney's concession speech." Again, don't start counting.

There'll plenty of crow to go around after this election. I hope-assuming Obama wins-the R's in the House will finally decide they've got to work with the guy, we'll see.If Romney pulls off the upset, and keeps Ryan on a short leash, we'll see.

Following with some of the things I've seen here today/tonite, I'm curious as to how people can relate growing defense spending at a time we simply can't afford the levels of defense spending we're currently doing? (addressing military support). I hear the "borrow money from China" on everything, it seems, but if borrow (sell treasury bonds to them) for a warplane, that's OK? Never figured that one out.

mrd — November 6, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — November 6, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.

The R's in the house do not have to work with the President, the President needs to stop trying to control the house and let them do their job. Congress and the Presidency are two separate and equal branches of Government. This is not a dictatorship and congress does not work for the president.

frobert — November 6, 2012 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd: You don't understand Bayesian probabilities. I don't either. But there are statisticians who do and these models don't get a lot of press for a variety of good reasons. We want people to go out and vote, after all.

The pundits and you and I can have opinions, but they all pale next to numbers crunched by an expert who studies the state poll aggregates.

This guy has been spot on all night and he started out the night with President Obama, today, having a cool 100% chance of being re-elected.

Given the Bayesian theorists' track record, my money is on them, and not on emotion or noise.

Sorry it annoys you. It kinda amazes me that there are people out here that can do this.

He just won. 270. See?

manthou — November 6, 2012 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OHIO JUST CALLED FOR OBAMA!!!!!

4 MORE YEARS!!!!!

WE SURVIVED THE RIGHT WING THREAT!!!!!

THE SENATE RACES ARE GOING CRAZY BLUE!!!!!

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal



frobert — November 6, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.

You know, fro. You keep saying that. Even though you keep repeating it over and over and over and over again. It still doesn't make it true.

BTW, sorry for YOUR loss.

hawkeye — November 6, 2012 at 9:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd — November 6, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.

"The R's in the house do not have to work with the President, the President needs to stop trying to control the house and let them do their job. Congress and the Presidency are two separate and equal branches of Government. This is not a dictatorship and congress does not work for the president.'

DUH! It that the best you can come up with? Can't you separate partisianship from "working together"? Apparently not. Li9ke political gridlock? You seem to support a recipe for disaster. Workin' for you? Good!

Manthou-I guess I'm a simpleton. I won't profess to understanding, or caring to-understand "Bayesian probabilities", but it appears they were spot on. Maybe I should check it out.

mrd — November 6, 2012 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FkQWAc27FU&feature;=related

What a night! Congrats to the Prez and the Democratic Party. Huge victories throughout the country!

Is this the end of the Republican party as we know it? Will it splinter off into various factions of hate, greed, and religiosity never to return as a cohesive party with the numbers to compete in a national election again?

Or will this election bring understanding to the GOP that we need to work together and allow compromise for the betterment of our nation?

My guess is yes and no.

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 9:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yahooooooooooo!!! A good day after all, I am very relieved and elated.

Manthou, you and I must be reading the same things. I was following the same statisticians and their predictions. Considering the math behind it all it gave me hope in the last few days.
I will definitely sleep well tonight. I visualize Nail with an angelic smile on his face as he snoozes deeply.

luvithere — November 6, 2012 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What a night!!!!! It happened in my lifetime!!!!! I'm getting misty eyed!!!!!

**Wash. voters legalize use of recreational pot**

State first in nation to take such action; federal view unclear

SEATTLE -- Washington voters made their state the first in the nation to legalize recreational pot use on Tuesday, setting up a showdown with a federal government that backs the drug's prohibition.

The outcomes of related measures in Colorado and Oregon were uncertain.

The measure sets up a system of state-licensed marijuana growers, processors and retail stores, where adults over 21 can buy up to an ounce. It also establishes a standard blood test limit for driving under the influence.

Legalization could help bring in hundreds of millions of dollars a year in pot taxes, reduce small-time pot-related arrests and give supporters a chance to show whether decriminalization is a viable strategy in the war on drugs.

The sales won't start until state officials make rules to govern the legal weed industry.

Promoted by New Approach Washington, I-502 calls for a 25 percent excise tax at each stage from the growers on until it is sold in stores to adults 21 and over.

They could buy up to an ounce of dried marijuana; one pound of marijuana-infused product in solid form, such as brownies; or 72 ounces of marijuana-infused liquids.

The cannabis would be subject to testing to establish its THC content, and labeled accordingly.

State financial experts estimate it could raise nearly $2 billion in tax revenue over the next five years, with the money going toward education, health care, substance abuse prevention and basic government services.

When state and federal laws conflict, federal law takes precedence. Federal authorities could sue in an attempt to block I-502 from taking effect. The Justice Department has given no hints about its plans.

Read more @ http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/no...

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Or will this election bring understanding to the GOP that we need to work together and allow compromise for the betterment of our nation?

We can only dream.....

hawkeye — November 6, 2012 at 9:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — November 6, 2012 at 9:26 p.m

My loss? I did not vote for or support Romney, I had nothing to lose in this election. It was the best possible outcome, the house is still in the hands of the republicans which will keep trying to limit Obama's grab of dictoral powers. As far as the Congress not working for the President, I would suggest you read the Constitution.

frobert — November 6, 2012 at 9:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Romney just gave a classy concession speech. Bravo!

He looked relieved.

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Great night luvit! Elated here also!

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Then there's this...

**Donald Trump: Election Is 'Total Sham And A Travesty,' Suggests 'Revolution' Is Necessary**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/donald-trump-election-revolution_n_2085864.html

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 10:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yea well, Nail, the old Donald has to open his mouth to stay relevant in his own mind. He needs to change to a new wig with soothing oils in it. The face of the GOP these days.... Sad.

luvithere — November 6, 2012 at 10:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I was fortunate to have watched this in real time. (At times I garner some kind of sick gratification from watching these guys go crazy on Fox) This was better than most SNL skits!

Obama's accepting!!!

**Fox News, Karl Rove Argue With Network About Whether Obama Won Ohio (VIDEO)**

Fox News had what can only be described as an insane argument with itself over whether or not President Obama had won Ohio, and the presidency.

The network seemed quite confident in its projections at first, but suddenly, pundit Karl Rove — who, as leader of a huge conservative Super PAC has something of an interest in the outcome of the race — began to pour cold water on the call.

Fox News' Chris Wallace then said that Gov. Mitt Romney's campaign is contesting the network's decision to call President Obama's re-election.

Wallace said:

"Well I have great respect for our decision desk, and I can see that they're very happy in Chicago, but I have to tell you that the Romney camp has real doubts by the call that has been made by us and by other networks. They do not believe that Ohio is in the Obama camp. I just got an email from a top Romney person. I asked, 'Do you agree with our call?' He said 'Not really. It's less than 20 percent of the vote still out in GOP areas.'"
Rove said it was "premature" and "early" to make any real decisions.

"So, maybe not so fast, folks!" Wallace said. There was a pained silence.

"Uh, thank you!" Bret Baier said. "That's awkward," Megyn Kelly added.

Baier then said that he would get someone from the network's election desk to explain why it had made the call. Kelly walked across the office, cameras trailing her, to speak with the number-crunchers.

The number-crunchers calmly repudiated Rove.

"We're actually quite comfortable with the call in Ohio," one of them said. Another said he was "99.9 percent" certain that the president had been re-elected.

"There just aren't enough Republican votes left for Mitt Romney to get there," a fellow decision desk member added.

Rove continued to contest the call. "They know the science!" Kelly responded, exasperatedly. It turned out that nobody was on Rove's side.

"They're not listening to Karl," Kelly said with some finality, as she went to a break.

The world reacted with stammering befuddlement.

Watch Rove arguing with Fox News in the clip above, and Kelly asking the decision desk to confirm its call below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/fox-news-argues-obama-ohio_n_2085817.html

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Drift !!!! Are ya dancin'???

hawkeye — November 6, 2012 at 10:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Great acceptance speech! Historic. I hope he retains this passion when fighting for a progressive agenda.

Great family!

nailingit — November 6, 2012 at 11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Virginia/Nevada going Obama and up in Florida. What a rout!! My God what a rout! Should we call it a mandate?

I can't imagine sorrier excuses than these, but know there will be. Check this out from our friends at Fox.

**Five ways the mainstream media tipped the scales in favor of Obama**

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/five-ways-mainstream-media-tipped-scales-in-favor-obama/#ixzz2BWPJQMwP

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 12:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You call ths a rout? Wow.

Seems to me it's about the same as it was before, with a few Dem. gains, but nothing to crow about. I guess a popular vote for the WH which is around 50%-50%, is what you call a mandate.

The only good thing about all of this, is that maybe that Pelosi will finally just go away. That woman is just nuts, but does serve to put an appropriate face on the Democrat party.

kn_dalai — November 7, 2012 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!!!*** The election is now history!

HOORAY!!!!

Nailingit, regarding your comment at 9:43 pm, I don't think it's the end of the Republican Party as you had stated. In fact, it's a good time for the Republican Party to meet on neutral grounds and do what they're supposed to do...to find a solution WITH the Democratic side and the Independents to improve our nation, to strengthen it once again to the finest nation in the world...one which is fair and balanced and must continue to keep our nation free. ""...Various factions of hate, greed, and religiosity???"" You believe that as our president clearly made statements in reference to God. Do you truly believe this to be an issue? IMO, I don't. It's been pointed out to you in recent days that there are religious followers of faith on both sides of the ticket. Religious faith will always be a part of our lives whether each and every one of us believe or not.

I believe we will see more of the same old, same old for awhile in Congress, given that it is once again a Republican-held House and Democratic-held Senate. I'm rather curious as to exactly what the "Plan to Move Forward" is...hopefully our president will cue us in.

As I've said before and will say it again, we ALL must work together to keep our nation free from oppression and exercise our freedom of speech and furthermore...to prevent our rights from being trampled.

And yes, I'm doin' the happy dance, knowing the voters have once again shown what they think about Light Rail here in our county. Maybe the local leaders will finally get a clue that if they're going to replace the bridge...do it without MAX if they want the support of the people behind this!!!

goldenoldie — November 7, 2012 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A quote from the Columbian article regarding the light rail m/o vote:

*"""On light rail, Vancouver Mayor Tim Leavitt said Tuesday's result only confirms that voters do not support raising sales tax to pay for light rail. Now it's up to local leaders to find another way to pay for the operations cost, he said — a relatively small portion of the overall CRC price tag."""*

Mayor Leavitt, with all due respect...this is the THIRD ballot measure to fail with regards to any type of funding towards light rail by the people. You truly need to open your eyes to this fact and realize the majority has spoken. It's not just about a sales tax increase.

HELLO!!!! MAYOR LEAVITT!!!

WE *DON'T WANT MAX IN VANCOUVER OR IN CLARK COUNTY ALTOGETHER!!!*

Stop trying to fool us. You're only fooling yourself, sir.

goldenoldie — November 7, 2012 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I won't be dancing today, hawk. While I was at the city planning commission last night someone came to my home and left a gate open. As a result I'll be burrying my companion of 12 years today.

RIP, Buddy.

Drift — November 7, 2012 at 6:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oh...how sad...(deep ache in my heart for your loss)

Drift, it is my belief you gave your "Buddy" the best 12 years of his life. Sorry to hear of your loss.

goldenoldie — November 7, 2012 at 6:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift,

I've been there. I know how bad that hurts. So very sorry.

kn_dalai — November 7, 2012 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift-So sorry to hear of your loss. Take care.

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_d- *You call ths a rout? Wow.*

Yeah...big time. Winning every single battle ground state with one exception. Unexpected net gains in the Senate and House. The first openly gay non-incumbent senatorial candidate winning a seat. Pot legalized for recreational use. Different states validating same sex marriage. The youth vote as strong or stronger. Abortion/contraception initiatives getting struck down.

Liberal/Progressive values/issues on the front burner cooking for America.

This election was a referendum on so-called conservative values. They were shot down with a electoral howitzer.

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goldenoldie- *You believe that as our president clearly made statements in reference to God. Do you truly believe this to be an issue?*

No. But the restrictive narrative with abortion, contraception, pot laws etc. which emanate from the religious right shot down with both barrels.

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Think Supreme Court!!! YES! It will make a left turn in the next four years!!!!!!!

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


No doubt he will get his own show on Fox. People like this need avenues to express their hate.

**Allen West Election Results: Democratic Newcomer Patrick Murphy Prevails**

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/allen-west-election-results-patrick-murphy_n_2083846.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A great read about alternate realities. The right wing must be totally dumbstruck today...

**The biggest losers (pundit edition)**

Blown calls and misread tea leaves: We round up the biggest losers of punditry in 2012

Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan explained, “All the vibrations are right.” How so? Romney is “stealing” the thing while “we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data.” Her evidence: “yard signs” (there were apparently more for Romney than Obama), big Romney rallies, and “a person who is helping [Romney]” told her.

Karl Rove, also in the Wall Street Journal, also saw some mysterious forces at work not captured by the polls: “Mitt Romney will be declared America’s 45th president. Let’s call it 51%-48%, with Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more.” Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, wrote in a column headlined “Marvelous Mitt” that while it will be close, but, “As president, Mitt Romney will have the extraordinary opportunity to rescue America from the spirits of the shady night of a decadent liberalism.” Former Bush White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer thought Romney will win with “minimum 271 EVs,” but likely 309. MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, writing in Politico, prognosticated: “My gut tells me there are two likely scenarios: (1) President Obama will squeak out a narrow Electoral College victory or (2) Mitt Romney will carry Ohio and be swept into office by a comfortable margin. After practicing politics for 20 years, I suppose I would rather be in Mitt Romney’s shoes than Barack Obama’s.”

Daily Caller Executive Editor David Martosko deserves special attention. He predicted Romney would win 296-244, including Pennsylvania, “partially because Hurricane Sandy will depress some turnout in Obama-friendly Philadelphia, and because the new Black Panthers have been warned this time.” 1) Sandy completely missed Philadelphia, 2) the Blank Panthers, really? We could spend all day on these, as it really includes almost every conservative pundit, but we have to get to…

Mitt Romney is not just going to win, but it’ll be a landslide!

A special subset of those bullish on Romney, these pundits saw not just a victory but a VICTORY. Michael Barone, the conservative Washington Examiner’s sober senior political analyst, made this prediction five days ago: “Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223.”

Read more @ http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/the_biggest_losers_of_pundity/

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.

Obama just barely bested a candidate as weak as Romney, the Senate picked up two seats and the house remains the same and you think that is a mandate?

frobert — November 7, 2012 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


@frobert#reality/pls C @ 7:31

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift, I am so sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your pet and long-time loyal pal last night.

Damn.

manthou — November 7, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.

"Think Supreme Court!!! YES! It will make a left turn in the next four years!!!!!!!"

Our current Supreme Court is allowing warrantless searches, extra-judicial asset seizure, administrative assassinations and indefinite detention. How much more "left" can you get? Abolish Congress and declare Obama dictator?

frobert — November 7, 2012 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift, I'm so sorry for your loss. I know exactly how you feel.

frobert, you'd complain if you were hung with a NEW rope. Get over it, you didn't even have a candidate running. (according to you)

Everybody, I guess you CAN buy an office in Clark County. The cost is a little over $300k. Of course, that's the same amount of pay one would receive for the same job, looks like a wash to me.

hawkeye — November 7, 2012 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Mandates can take on many forms. No doubt this election mandates change with regards to raising taxes on the wealthy and tax code reformation.

Congress has moved too far right. Obama needs to go hard left and meet in the left middle somewhere. Elections are for a reason. Too long Obama has started negotiating from the middle and ended up middle right or right.

Medicare/Social Security are on the line. End the Bush tax cuts and raise revenue on those making 250,000 or more. That's what he ran on and it is a big big reason he won the Presidency.

Obama needs to man up and draw some lines in the sand. Not to be divisive, but to show leadership and reflect the values on behalf of the American majority who elected him.

A no holds barred progressive agenda. He needs to work behind the scenes personally with Republicans and bring some on board. The people have spoken and we want a more progressive/liberal America.

Bernie Sanders should have a seat at the table.

amen

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 9:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift-
My condolences go out to you and your companion of 12 years. I have several little pups that rule my house and I really appreciate the welcoming committee when I get home... I have a couple older ones and when that time comes it will be a very difficult time...

As far as the presidential race... Mr. Obama said “I have more work to do" Really more work... I will leave it at that. I was watching CNN this morning as they showed the various exit polls...It should not have been a surprise that Obama earned his victory on the heels of Minorities and wage earners under the medium income level which included many younger voters which are more left leaning. These are his bread and butter folks. These voters according to CNN are more apt to rely on and use our government’s entitlement programs. They feared a republican victory would have taken these away.
You can look at all these exit polls and like any stats, there just very interesting...I still haven't formulated how these next four years will look but with a president coming off the 5th worst performance of any president it should only get better we hope...

Interesting local races. Mr Boldt is out and Madore in.. That will be interesting....

vanwadreamer — November 7, 2012 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawk @ 8:55- I hope his conservative partisanship doesn't hinder his job effectiveness.

I also hope one day I will own my personal island and establish a nailingit utopia. Drawing somewhat from conceptual Mormonism, varietal procreation conjoined with herbal bioremediation and pharmaceutical supplementation would be at the forefront. :)

I doubt neither will happen but you never know!

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- *I was watching CNN this morning as they showed the various exit polls...It should not have been a surprise that Obama earned his victory on the heels of Minorities and wage earners under the medium income level which included many younger voters which are more left leaning.*

I guess those guys got off work and voted! :))

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 9:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Closer to home: My personal anecdotal prediction for the future of Clark County (this and two dollars will get you a cup of coffee somewhere):

We will see an influx of an increasingly diverse, creative, youthful, progressive citizenry due to WA's embrace of marriage equality, pot legalization, and no state income tax from neighboring Oregon and California. This will boost Clark Co's economy and make this place even more interesting and fun. And yes, we will find another way to fund light rail and build the CRC, connecting Portlandia to da Couve, in spite of Mr. Madore's best efforts to pull the plug.

The Columbian will (I hope) keep up with the changing demographics of its readership (unlike the stodgy and stubborn Seattle Times to the North, which has dropped below its top 25 rank in US dailies for the first time in a looooong time) and become just a little more hip. (Be on the look out for a new monthly newspaper called The Occulus coming Dec 1 in the 'Couv to address this changing demographic).

After the election, I am sooooooo glad and proud that I live in WA state, now more than ever before. And I am even more grateful to be in Clark County because I think it is going to be taking off in good ways. Finally. 'Bout time! Buckle your seat belts for a fun and wild ride! I just wish I were about 20 years younger...

manthou — November 7, 2012 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


My own biggest disappointment is in the defeat of California’s prop 37. It has national ramifications, which ain’t good, as I see things.

A little surprised by Madore’s win; I would have thought the Dims would all have lined up with some of the more centrist R’s to give Boldt the nod.

I figured the Vancouver crowd would put Tanner over the top against Mielke, but not looking that way right now. Good.

kn_dalai — November 7, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Tax reform/structure and immigration have to be priorities in his **fifth year** combined with passing his jobs agenda to include beefing up our infrastructure and funding green jobs.

We can borrow for next to nothing right now. A second stimulus is in order to produce jobs at a faster rate which in turn allows us to prosper and pay down our debt faster in the long run. 500-700 Billion $$$, this time more than 40% won't be tax cuts. What tax cuts exist go to genuine small businesses and would progressively benefit the middle class and cut off.

Fund the states to bring back public services, hire teachers, first responders, public workers. This is a crisis. Impose federal regs placing the minimum wage at $14/hr. Sell off Millionaires yachts to curb inflation and keep it real! :)

Hey Republicans! Obamacare is here to stay!! Let's improve it/gut it progressively. We should consider a public option, at the very latest into **Obama's 6th year of presidency**. Yes his sixth year! **Two years away from his eighth year!** Then, another four years of Dem/progressive/liberal rule proceeding another four years of Dem rule, but to digress, during his **seventh year**...:))

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And I am even more grateful to be in Clark County because I think it is going to be taking off in good ways. Finally. 'Bout time! Buckle your seat belts for a fun and wild ride! I just wish I were about 20 years younger...

manthou — November 7, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.

Ditto manthou! I'm getting some good vibes about Vancouver and our country as a whole.

It might sound a bit idealistic but to quote Grace Slick...*It's A New Dawn!*

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPGk0Fe8KE8

45 years in the making...a slow progression that doesn't happen fast enough for some of us. :)

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Leftists celebrating their supposed big new mandate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU4gMH...

kn_dalai — November 7, 2012 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HUtM_...

kn_d- And then some!

We should have listened to Walter...really have listened.

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai: Numbers don't lie. President Obama won the majority of the votes, both popular and electoral. Is this the mandate to which you refer? Why are so many people willing to de-legitimize his re-election?

I really do not get it, so, if you can attempt to explain it to me without being disrespectful or unkind, I would love to hear your persecutive.

If you cannot, then just ignore my question. Please.

Why not just work together for the good of all in this country for a change? What is preventing this?

manthou — November 7, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Damn, I miss Walter.

hawkeye — November 7, 2012 at 11:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye: Me too. Journalism has lost its moral, ethical compass.

manthou — November 7, 2012 at 11:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — November 7, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.

What in the world are you even talking about? Is the margin by which Obama won, a mandate? I would not characterize it as such. Same with the Congress.

As far as the comment about being disrepectful, I suggest you take one very, good look at nail's irreverent attitude toward's those he disagrees with, which has always been his hallmark. Little smiley faces not withstanding.

Perhaps you need to look at the issue of bias, far more than I.

kn_dalai — November 7, 2012 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The good news, these guys can get back to work. The bad news, that includes Paul Ryan.

mrd — November 7, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I suggest you take one very, good look at nail's irreverent attitude toward's those he disagrees with, which has always been his hallmark*

Man...how did I get drug into this?

*Little smiley faces not withstanding.*

:)

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 11:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


> Man...how did I get drug into this? -- nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 11:36 a.m

I think you have a point there nail. I should have waited for a better time to drag you in:)))

kn_dalai — November 7, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I love this latest phrase I'm hearing in the media.

Republican soul searching.

Better described as an oxymoron or just a play on words?

No offense intended to the RWPC crowd. All in good humor.

:).........................................................................:)

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 12:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


btw k_nd...did my 12:19 post make it in your "hallmark" category? Just trying to gauge the tension on my bow. :)

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail-Re: Post 10:18 this am...I actually thought you brought up some good and bad stuff..

The good..

Tax Reform for everyone and businesses..That will be a big hurdle but I'm all for it..

Immigration- This needs to be addressed and in a big way. The illegal population here in the US just might be the biggest burden of all on our economy. Patrol the borders, stop illegal entry, send back those here illegally just like every other country WILL DO and come up with a plan or path to legalization the right way..

Infrastructure- Well this is where he should have gone right out of the gate in 08... This is where real job creation starts and grows. The new bridge is a must for our region however I’m not aboard the light rail train.. Not only will a new bridge be better for the areas overall economy but our local economy as well...

Now your bad ideas...

Funding Green Projects
This should be left to the Private sector.. He has already failed several big greens companies to the tune of over a several billion dollars.. Maybe that money could be better spent on infrastructure and state funding

2nd Stimulus- Again an expensive pork filled process that caters to companies that have already misappropriated, let the other companies that are strong buy them out and make them profitable....
Obamacare- Enough said, there isn't enough daylight to cut out what needs to be cut out, It will never be paid for in anyone’s lifetime and it's broken before it even starts.. No business worth a grain of salt would start a new business knowing the business plan will fail and bankrupt them

Last but not least your worst idea yet--
$14 min wage.. I think that is the dumbest idea I've seen you propose... Here is what you should do.. Call 10 local companies ask for the owner and say how would you feel if today the new min wage is $14 an hr... Dude I knew you had no business acumen but this really takes the cake.. If we flipped that switch today that would raise unemployment to 15-18 maybe even 20%..At the same time raise the cost of goods by at least the same margin..That would send us into a depression..

Look there is a reason I pay an employee min wage.. That’s because most anyone can perform the job and skill set that is necessary to do the job is very low as well... We should actually lower it if anything...Your confused with living wage versus minimum wage...

vanwadreamer — November 7, 2012 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*There is a good reason why the minimum wage has barely been hiked recently: the authorities are aware that excessive increases, especially in the current climate of falling productivity, would price out vast numbers from the labor force and have exercised restraint, despite the vote-buying opportunities such increases entail. Jobs only exist as long as the cost of employing somebody is lower than the benefits in terms of the extra output they produce; there is a strict limit to how far the market can be bucked. At some point, increasing prices reduces demand, including for workers.
We cannot simply legislate to eliminate poverty and create a nation of middle class earners. Bullying companies into paying above-market rates, Labor’s technique, would be almost as destructive as actual compulsion.*
Matter of fact why don't you email our newly elected county commissioner bent on job growth and ask him this question, see what he has to say.. That would be a great way to say high and see what his thoughts are on the subject...I bet he would even pick up the phone.. He's waiting...

vanwadreamer — November 7, 2012 at 12:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Why not just work together for the good of all in this country for a change? What is preventing this?*

*manthou — November 7, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.**

Excellent point, manthou. Glad you said it!!!

goldenoldie — November 7, 2012 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, goldie: With regards to your response to my comment above I have this question:

What do you think the US would look like if we had more reasonable women joining their reasonable male colleagues in running our government?

I think we now have 19 female senators. Getting there...

manthou — November 7, 2012 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


reminds me of a joke went something like this.

5 guys are watching a game when guy 1 says we're outta beer. need to get some. guy 2 says not me, i brought chips. guy 3 also refuses claims he already brought beer. guy 4 is broke. after 1/2 hour guy 1 gets mad enough so he goes out for beer but none for guy 4.

their wives are in the other room. lady 1 we're out of mints. I'll get some. lady 2 I'll give you a hand. lady 3 says i'll clean up a little. lady 4 volunteers to make a round of drinks.

has a ring of truth to it-bring 'em on.

mrd — November 7, 2012 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou, you are so reasonable, calm, collected. I like you!

As to your question to Golden, see mrd's post. Uh huh.Bring em on.

luvithere — November 7, 2012 at 4:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @2:41pm...

The key word in your statement speaks volumes...

*"reasonable"*

Need I say more?

Maybe add the word "responsible" to the list as well, then I'll agree that we're getting there. Getting the position is one thing. Doing the job you were hired to do is another.

goldenoldie — November 7, 2012 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


...and that goes both ways, male OR female!

goldenoldie — November 7, 2012 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa-11/7/12-12:45 pm

I don't know where that came from, but it reeks of trickle down nonsense.

Let's look-

"vote-buying opportunities"? hhmmmm...

Pick tomatoes for LESS than minimun wage so Del Monte Corp makes billions? Butcher chickens for piece work so Tyson can make billions? Wally-World pays folks low wages so the Walton family can retain 4 or 5 of the top ten positions as the richest Americans? Chase-Manhattan pays tellers $35K/year while execs make literally hundreds of millions in bonuses? Seems a little better cut of the pie might be in order here, ya know, put enough $$ in other pockets to actually buy stuff, get many off assistance, and patronize businesses. This will reduce the profit of course, but is the cost absorbed by the profit-takers or the workers, most of whom will immediately dump these $$ back into the economy?

If the US doesn't grow the middle class again, ala the 50's and 60's, China will show us how they will. That's a scenario we should be concerned about. Soon, very soon, (and I know this is near and dear to your heart), they'll have the ability to outspend us 10 fold on military hardware-not to mention holding a relatively sizeable portion of our debt. Chicken, anyone?

As Wall St continues it's move away from venture capital, investment money is being sourced from local governments. Read the article about Port of Camas/Washougal geting in bed with a "private developer". We're being scammed by the private sector in search of taxpayer backed venture capital. That sucks and this trickle down nonsense must end. For people that want to see these kinda things "privatized", aka, resisting their notion of socialism-(government start-up money for green energy, for example) might want to re-visit that.

mrd — November 7, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Acknowledging Obama's re-election victory, Boehner said House Republicans were willing to work with the White House and said they would accept new revenue under the right conditions.

"What we can do is avert the cliff in a manner that serves as a down payment on - and a catalyst for - major solutions, enacted in 2013, that begin to solve the problem," Boehner said in prepared remarks."

***Now, what was that fro was saying??? The House doesn't have to work with the President? Or something like that???***

hawkeye — November 7, 2012 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Make it thin crusted with extra cheese and add some jalapenos if you please.

The splintering has begun! The bigoted faction of the GOP will cut their nose off to spite their face. Party numbers will diminish faster then you can say, "Show me your papers please".

**GOP civil war: Herman Cain calls for third party**

**As the GOP fights itself in the wake of Mitt Romney's loss, calls for a third party emerge**

But on the other side of the fight, Herman Cain, the former presidential candidate who still has a robust following via his popular talk radio program and speaking tours, today suggested the most clear step to open civil war: secession. Appearing on Bryan Fischer’s radio program this afternoon, Cain called for a large faction of Republican Party leaders to desert the party and form a third, more conservative party.

“I never thought that I would say this, and this is the first time publicly that I’ve said it: We need a third party to save this country. Not Ron Paul and the Ron Paulites. No. We need a legitimate third party to challenge the current system that we have, because I don’t believe that the Republican Party … has the ability to rebrand itself,” Cain said.

Fischer, a social conservative leader, noted that he predicted this summer that if Mitt Romney loses, evangelical conservatives would start a third party. “If Barack Obama wins this election the Republican Party as we know it is finished, it is dead, it is toast,” Fischer said in September at the Values Voter Summit in Washington.

Read more @ http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/gop_civil_war_herman_cain_calls_for_3rd_party/

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.

So Herman Cain is a bigot?

When are you people going to figure out that the only major party to condone racism is the democrats. The republican party for all their faults has NEVER condoned or sanctioned racism. Just because your party doesn't have a past you can be proud of, doesn't mean you can put your racist history onto the opposition. The first modern democrat was Jackson, he gave us the trail of tears, Wilson gave us the KKK in the White house and FDR gave us internment of Americans of Japanese decent.

frobert — November 7, 2012 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — November 7, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.

Yes, read your Constitution, the Congress is a separate branch of government and is not subservient to the President.

frobert — November 7, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Conservatives. You live in the past because you're afraid of the future. It'll be okay. Promise.

nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 7, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.

I'm a Libertarian, my party is the future, like it or not.

frobert — November 7, 2012 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thank God Obama won!

coug1031 — November 7, 2012 at 11:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


during the campaign, i couldn't take any more lying and orwellian double-speak. so, being catholic, i just prayed, every night: god, please. *your will be done* in who is elected.

it's hard for me to understand because now i'm truely frightened for the country's future, but it's God's will that obama won.

my fear is that it's not going to be a peaceful, productive four years. but God's will **always** results in good, so what happens, happens.

to you uber-prgressives and utra-libs, remember this: God's will included obama's re-election; that doesn't mean clear sailing.

DeeLittle — November 8, 2012 at 3:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


***DANA***

hypothetical question:

place: viet nam
time: height of war
question: what would a high-level commander be doing to be a wheelchair-bound survivor with a C3 (can't move ams, legs) fracture?

thanks.

DeeLittle — November 8, 2012 at 3:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Plan 'B' is proposed to the C-Tran board. Nowhere is it said that having LOO-RAIL is written in stone. Please show us where it it says that we have to have LOO-RAIL on the bridge. I believe it says BRT which could be buses instead. They blithely go on their merry way without another thought in their dizzy little heads. The CRC is NOT in jeopardy it's the LOO-RAIL part of it.

Until a vote is taken for or against LOO-RAIL this vote only forestalls it. This city and county is very afraid that if they put it up for a vote they would end up not having it at all.

See, we have been against LOO-RAIL for one reason. It is a big money pit with no flexibility. Most of had said that the project is not being held up. It's the politicians who are stalling until they get those shiny rails laid down over here.

If I had the power I would kick everyone off the C-Tran board and start fresh. With less people involved. You do not need nine people to run the transit system in this county. Maybe we should go back to privatization. Every time the gov'ment gets involved they muck it up.

JohnCasey — November 8, 2012 at 4:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


JohnCasey, of course it's not written in stone. It's written in bureaucratic hogwash!

The promoters of the crossing project which included light rail know darned well they never had the majority of taxpayer/toll payer/fee payer support. They've spent well over $150 million (I believe it is actually over $174 million at this time), trying to tweak the system to fit their agenda. The thorn in their side is the catch-22 of the project in the manner of paying for maintenance and operations for which the voters have spoken for the THIRD time, clearly stating nobody wants the "LOO-RAIL" as you refer to it!!!

Now...they want to cut service to Bus 4 and 44 to the Oregon side of the bridge to save money??? ***Sayyyyy WHAT???*** Are they so stupid that they don't even realize they'll be reducing ridership as the few who DO rely on the route to the MAX line in Delta Park will have to find other modes of transportation???

You want to know the prime example of the promoters of light rail and what their little game is at our expense besides this brainless idea with Bus 4 and 44??? Well, we can give the two finger ovation to our very own mayor of Vancouver as well as Mr. Scott Patterson. Scott Patterson, as quoted in the article entitled *"Voters soundly reject C-Tran measure"* stated *""Clearly, what the vote tells us is that voters said no to a sales tax increase,...""* Obviously, he's forgotten the two other votes in recent years. And our very own mayor is playing the same game, trying to buffalo the people into thinking what he wants them to think when he's quoted as saying *""On light rail, Vancouver Mayor Tim Leavitt said Tuesday's result only confirms that voters do not support raising sales tax to pay for light rail.""

And you think it wasn't a dying attempt by ICC and the Chamber of Commerce to suddenly oppose the sales tax increase in order to gain support of the people...the support they know they're losing when it comes to this project???

If they'd only replace the bridge as a single level bridge, implement a center pedestrian/bike lane similar to the Glenn Jackson Bridge and include the necessary rights of way SHOULD there ever be a future need for LRT...then they'd have more of us on board supporting the project. You know, if they'd never stopped the tolls on I-5 years back, they'd have enough funding for projects clear into the future for our grand kids...possibly further. But as usual...the planning in this region sucks!

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 6:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle, this is a time where I actually agree with nailingit @8:31 pm (yeah nailingit...shocking isn't it) when they say it'll be okay. Yeah, it's going to be tough and it will get tougher. We might not like the transition and may lose much needed benefits from various entities in the government...

...but it's the will of the people to survive even the toughest of times.

We can either believe the worst is yet to come or we can get off our back sides and make that effort as the ball is in OUR court and our destiny is in our hands, whether it be improving someone's financial needs or by writing our congressmen and women with our thoughts and concerns.

WE voted these clowns in. Now it's time for them to perform their duties the way it was intended.

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 6:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert @ 8:39 PM: You may be very correct on your prediction that the Libertarian party will make great future gains (implied: while the Republicans falter).

Libertarians, from my perspective, have a live and let live philosophy that appeals to many. I am sure many Libertarians, for example, embraced marriage equality before some Democrats did. Who wants government in our bedrooms?

I am sure you can educate me further on other points. I agree with you: the Libertarian party will likely benefit from the Republican self-implosion.

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 7 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: You knew, I am sure, that there always was a Plan B waiting in the wings to fund light rail and that this vote on the sales tax was just a ruse to "cool" out the masses, right?

Now that everyone has had their "say", Plan B or C or D will be worked until a solution can be found. But don't think for a minute (I don't think you ever did) that this was a referendum on light rail.

I am amazed, though, at the number of people who actually think that this vote is gonna not only stop light rail but stop the CRC. This was an intentional head fake.

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 7:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 7- I hope Libertarians won't make any gains with the exception of those splintering from mainstream GOP. After drug legalization and and defunding the military, policy and the Paul crowd Mirror the Romney/Ryan Republican platform.

Reversing Roe v Wade, sending Medicare/Caid to the states, defunding and eliminating many crucial Gov agencies to include education, refusing to enact any type of stimulus to fund R&D; to include the environment, eliminate corporate taxation, throw health care to the states, civil rights, women rights, etc. etc. etc. So many more.

The live and let live mentality is the bait used to lure people into a backward and small minded party.

The Libertarian movement will never garner more than the 5% or so they get every election due to their radical agenda. At least I hope not.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


def. libertarian; A republican with a bong.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 8:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.

You should get your definition of Libertarian from the Libertarians not from MSNBC or thinkprogress. Most Libertarians are pro choice and support civil rights. The only part of the civil rights act that was opposed by Goldwater was the imposition on private property owners, the vast majority of it was supported. Rights for ALL individuals is the cornerstone of the Libertarian movement. On environmental issues the Libertarians would hold business that pollute liable and not "sell" them the right to pollute with immunity like the current EPA.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle — November 8, 2012 at 3:52 a.m

Several things could and did cause that specific injury. The one that brings back bad memories the most would be shrapnel from a land mine. There were several different sizes and types, some with trip wires, some that you stepped on and ones that went off by vibration. All it would take for that particular injury is one little piece of metal wedged into your spine.

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit @ 8:06 am: LOL!

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — November 8, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.

*But wait! There's MORE!*

Or should I say, ***There's MADORE!*** He will save all of us from tolls, or so he says. Can't wait to see this one play out.

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 9:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — November 8, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.

Manthou, if a person thinks they can stop the powers that be in their tracks (light rail tracks at that, lol) for something which there's already been Executive Orders signed not only by our governor but by our President(s) as well, then they're only fooling themselves.

It's not a matter of "Not wanting light rail." It's a matter of *not agreeing* to wasted spending to fulfill the folly of a select group of people who will profit from this venture.

You see manthou, there's a rather harrowing issue hanging over our heads and that is our dependence on foreign fossil fuels. Our government has been scrambling to find ways to cut those foreign ties and they have it set in their minds that the best way is to reduce the number of private vehicles on the roadway. The truth is...many are not willing to forego driving, only to sit on commuter trains, light rail or any other mass transit for hours on end. The best move our president made was to make it mandatory a fuel efficiency law in all new vehicles by a certain set date. I believe it is 35.5 mpg by 2016.

There is one problem plaguing light rail right now in the Portland area and that is the fact that the size of the city has gotten too big for it's britches; drivers are coming from outside the metro area to work in the core and the light rail isn't as efficient as they first assumed it would be. All it takes is one traffic accident like the one on Monday on SW 11th Avenue which disrupted the Blue and Red Lines...forcing TriMet to shuttle passengers. So in cases like this...how is TriMet reducing their carbon footprint? They still have many buses on the road...fuel-guzzling buses. And the LRT and trolleys in downtown Portland...have you ever tried walking or even using your own personal vehicle to drive in the heart of Portland??? Let me tell ya, manthou...for those who have construction jobs in downtown, it's a living nightmare with all the tracks and the designation of roadway rights of way for MAX and the trolleys. Is that what you'd want for Vancouver???

...to be continued

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


continued...

Now I see the same issues which will arise in downtown Vancouver. People living outside the area conducting business in downtown Vancouver and aren't willing to take the bus OR BRT OR MAX to get to their destination. MAX versus passenger vehicle issues will happen as will issues with power on those lines as witnessed in recent weeks when the wind blew and power was out. C-Tran will have to bring out extra buses to shuttle stranded passengers...again, carbon footprint reduction?

Regarding 99.9% of the ridership which would board MAX, very few if any will conduct their business in downtown Vancouver. They'll be headed to Portland. What would MAX do for Vancouverites who need to conduct business IN Vancouver? To shuttle from Ft. Vancouver Way to West Main Street??? And that's supposed to be energy efficiency???

I guarantee you that the Bus Rapid Transit Corridor is being set up for future transition TO Light Rail as they follow suit with Portland. If you think they're not going to make the transition...that my dear, is where you'd be fooled by the powers that be. As the current design shows...LRT would be quite limited just to FV Way. They will express the need to expand as the original plans by Trimet was to expand it from Salem, clear through to Longview. Give 'em time.

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.

Tolls should never have been stopped. If we had paid $1 in tolls on that crossing over the past ten or twenty years, they'd have enough money for the danged crossing project and this wouldn't even be an issue.

As far as Madore...

At least he's stepping up to the plate and giving it his all! You gotta commend the guy for that at least.

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


GO, Light rail in it's current plan is impossible. The amount of traffic that would be drawn to Clark College just to ride the stupid thing would be smothering. (Then there will be the EPA air pollution study of the area in the mornings and evenings and the negative report that will follow) There will be a string of traffic from the freeway off ramp (in the morning) to the parking garage and the reverse in the evening. It will take an hour longer for people to go to work in downtown Portland and cost just as much. And that's IF you work anywhere close to the train.

IF they are to bring the train across the bridge, it will have to be on their (Trimet) dime and go up the freeway to Hazel Dell, (park-n-ride) Salmon Creek, (park-n-ride) and the Fairgrounds. (create a park-n-ride) This way it will also be available for concerts at the Amphitheater.

But let's just wait and see how this is all going to shake out because there are people much smarter than me in charge of this whole thing and I'm sure they have it all figured out.

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Ready to pay through the nose for just about everything in your life, folks...even worse than we are right now??? If the powers that be have any say, they'll do it:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/obama-may-levy-carbon-tax-to-cut-the-u-s-deficit-hsbc-says.html

BTW...HSBC is also known as Hongkong Shanghai Banking Corporation if that's any indication as to who it is our president wants to generate funds to pay out. It's number one reason for this carbon tax (like the new one crippling Australians) won't be to reduce carbon emissions. A bit deceptive, one might think.

If you think this isn't going to happen, then you might check those Executive Orders that have been signed. You just might be surprised at what is in the works...including EO 13624 which set the ball rolling with encouraging industrial energy efficiency.

Keep informed, folks!!!

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, I'm not going to sit idle to wait and see what they're going to do. I will continue putting in my two-cents worth regarding this project till I believe it is what is in the best interests of our county.

The folly of the powers that be and those who will receive financial gains as a result of this project is to encourage...no, to FORCE the people into mass transit in order to visit downtown Vancouver but in all reality, what is already too cluttered and poorly redesigned will only become that inevitable cluster.... as long as LRT runs through downtown!!!

As I've said before the planning in this region sucks. Too many special interests.

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 9:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Some really well informed opinions regarding public transportation. But perhaps it's time to think outside the box.

Until world governments share their anti-gravitational technology we should explore economically viable jet pack usage. R&D; in hydrocarbon based synthetics/dilithium crystals technology as affordable fuel alternatives.

Think up not out. Think high not low.

Think Jetson's not stetson's.

No more pile ups, snow removers, congestion, etc. Just an occasional falling object.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nail, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!

You will upset all the automakers (because that's all they know how to build) and the oil companies and the road maintenance workers and the snow removal guys and everybody else that will be negatively affected. Don't you know that?

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


dilithium crystals are not a fuel source on the constitution class star ships they were used to channel and control the matter antimatter reaction into usable energy.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Welcome back Alan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCALHoBq0zk

Former Rep. Alan Grayson, who was ousted from Congress during the Tea Party wave of 2010, won back his House seat Tuesday night with a decisive 25-point victory over his Republican challenger, Todd Long. Grayson joined HuffPost Live Thursday to discuss the significance of the 2012 election and his plans for returning to Congress.

Grayson said that the 2010 election was an "anomaly," in which a "demoralized" Democratic electorate failed to turn out, but by 2012 Democrats around the country wised up to Republican policies and to campaign tricks from the likes of Karl Rove and the Koch brothers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/alan-grayson-takes-on-koc_n_2094298.html

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 12:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What a shellacking**!!!!!**

Mitt Romney Campaign: We Lost Florida To Obama In Presidential Election

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/mitt-romney-florida-election-results_n_2094513.html

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 1:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thank God Obama won!

coug1031 — November 7, 2012 at 11:38 p.m.

AMEN!

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 1:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: I see that abot 10 SW WA lawmakers, headed by Jaime H-B, sent a letter to the Masters of the Universe asking for a total re-design on the CRC!

Now I have to ask this: where were these folks when I was at the CRC public meetings all these many years ago, reviewing all the possible bridge designs? This always gets me a little. At our October neighborhood association meeting, we had folks asking questions that I swear were posed at meetings way back in 2004 when we had the chance to review several design options way back then.

So help me understand. I was at these early meetings years ago. I gave plenty of opinionated input, both verbally and in writing. Where was David Madore, bless his soul, back then when he could have been at those early meetings with me and so many others?
Where was Jaime Herrera? In high school?

We all know where Tom Mielke probably was...

Just asking. Can you help me understand? This is something that has always got my goat. I'll bet you were at those early community meetings, too.

The idea that the public did not have a chance for input is true, I guess, if you don't show up to the party.

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HEY DEE!!!

What kind of drugs do you have for a kidney stone, I think I'm coming down with one.

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye...I know of someone who suffered from that in recent days. It's m*i*s*e*r*a*b*l*e. They were instructed by the doctor to drink lots and lots of water to help flush the stone. Don't play with fire. Have yourself checked out to make sure that IF you do have a kidney stone, that it will pass naturally.

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou...I was just reading that very information regarding the request which pleases me, knowing they've stepped up to the plate after years and years concerned letters, emails and phone calls from folks such as myself...and the request isn't even grandstanding to get elected. They're doing their job. Hopefully it's not too late but maybe, just maybe...we'll get the crossing which will be more affordable and will do the same job...freight mobility and transit mobility in that segment of the "Corridor of the Future." Now...if Oregon would do something about the region south of Fremont Bridge, down to SW Capitol Highway!!!

Here's a question for you...with all the selections for the Locally-Preferred Alternative that were available, why didn't the Columbia River Crossing planners have a PLAN B picked out, especially since this one has been such a headache in the planning and implementation process even before it started???

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"They've spent well over $150 million (I believe it is actually over $174 million at this time), trying to tweak the system to fit their agenda."

Interesting number. That's what the 205 bridge cost to build. Granted, it's been a while, but sheesh! And now they're talking re-design? Good grief!

mrd — November 8, 2012 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail-

Obama won because he ran a two year campain to divide our contry which he has. His first words after his exceptence speech were we need to bring the country together, what he forget to add to that was sorry folks for dividing it..

Obama win because he used a variety of the most discraceful and dirty tacics.

Race- Currently the highest unemployed segment of our society is young black men. But who did african americans vote for 93-7 for Obama..

Hispanic was 75-25 for Obama

So if you do what you've always done your gonna get what you always got...Obama isn't going to change this economy where minorities are all of a sudden going to be more gamely employed. That has to do with many other socio-economic factors... And this is where the President and the Democratic party is out of touch with.. The folks most affected by the use of entitilement programs voted for Obama. Wait until they see how much this vote will cost in cuts to some of these programs then they'll say "What"...Wait a minute here...

Then the 1% message... Even if the tax codes are changed the way some "Dems" want it will not reduce the deficit by more than 1/2 of 1%....But again the message is less people with more and more people with less, lets take more from the rich and give to the poor.. It doesn't work that way becasue no one ever sees that money... In fact if the dems get there way you'll pay more in taxes and when the Obamacare comes on line an extra tax for that too. Some people are already seeing their health care costs rise in anticipation of Obamacare coming to bare....Anyone been shopping for Health Insurance lately???

Middle Class- They voted overwhelmingly for Romney knowing how important job growth and creation are...and knowing he was a person capable of getting it done..

The bottom line is you can't promise something you can't deliver if you don't know how to get it done. The democratic party and Obama have no plan....Now there going to propose tax Increases to most of the middle class and above while doing nothing about cutting the budget... This is a recipie for disaster... Which has been playing out for four years...the president said last night one of his main goals was to help small businesses, he has been saying that for four years, he doesn't know what a small business is, what they consider small...I'll bet ya Romney does... Anyway beteen Obama, reid , Pelosi and the rest of his minions, we'll sit back and see what transpires.. Maybe they'll take another vacation to sort it our... Here is best photo op of election..

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/multimedia/galleries/news/x1363970445/Gallery-President-Obama-wins-re-election

Honey if you didn't win we would have had to return all that china I bought...

vanwadreamer — November 8, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa- Entertaining!

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 2:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie @ 1:49 PM: I am glad they all are getting together to exercise their free speech and to broadcast those constituent voices who believe they have been ignored for so long. Truly, that is why they were elected on Tuesday by some, for sure.

I just don't understand the argument that the people were not given a chance to comment on the design or the plan. I attended many, many community meetings. Not many folks were there in the beginning, for sure, but the meetings were publicized. There were models and charts and PPTs and handouts galore. There were cute little CRC reps all over the place with little CRC badges mingling with the crowd, answering questions, taking notes. I emailed back and forth with a few.

So where does this complaint of no seat at the table come from? I thought you might have some insight into that.

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 2:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: This one's for you. A peek into an alternative reality, a parallel universe where Romney won (or planned to):

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/07/romneys_transition_site.html

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYM...

manthou @ 2:53- It may take a few hours to get those obscene images out of my mind. The horror!

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


BRT, LRT, CRC & BLT (just reach into the lunch sack) solved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw5KaE...

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Any calls for Madore to step down yet? :)

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — November 8, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.

Romney lost and he worked hard to do so. Millions of new young republicans were there for the taking, but Romney and Priebus went out of their way to alienate them. Republicans will not regain the Presidency until they embrace the Libertarian branch of the party. Rather than give Ron Paul a few minutes to speak at the convention they used legal maneuvers and dirty tricks to disqualify his earned delegates, that in the end cost Romney the election.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail,

Thanks, I'm all for our political system to work together, don't get me wrong the only problem is no one wants to work totgether for the betterment of America. They all have their agenda and thats it... Thats where strong leadership comes in...Starting with a Presdient that can make some unpopular policies that ultimitely helps bring our fiscal house in order, and by addressing our borders and finally a new tax code... Romney wasn't the best rep candidate but I do think he would be much better suited for the job ahead...

Now we need to get it right.... I don't see the two sides working it out though... I really don't... As bad as Clinton was his first term , Obama was much worse but we don't have a president like him now where he can bring both sides together and get it done, I really don't....

As for the Local front, we have some very tough decisions that need to be made... If we want Jobs, a stronger local Clark County economy and a free flowing Northwest economy this bridge is one huge step in the right direction. Just build the bridge without Light rail..Maybe have it where it can be added later...

vanwadreamer — November 8, 2012 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Bill Murray, certainlyone of my all time favorite funny guys....Cinderella Man is more like it:)Have a great night....

vanwadreamer — November 8, 2012 at 4:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


U 2 vanwa

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Interesting number. That's what the 205 bridge cost to build. Granted, it's been a while, but sheesh! And now they're talking re-design? Good grief!"

mrd...good point BUT, I want to ask you this...just what does the CRC have to show for all the money spent??? A crossing project that is too low that cannot be raised due to the fact that LRT would have issues trying to cross AND a crossing project that the voters have THREE TIMES said they aren't willing to pay for anything that involves light rail???

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Manthou, I cannot speak for others but in my case, I hadn't a clue regarding the crossing project till I'd read about it in the Columbian (yes Lou, the Columbian...thanks). That wasn't noticed by me until well after the crossing project had begun and the original public meetings had begun. It might have been a very small notice in the corner of some back page or embedded between some mega advertisements that it was easily skipped. Who knows???

Yeah, it took some time and a lot of questions by me to get caught up regarding learning what it was all about, but I shouldn't have had to go to the local newspaper to find out about this, considering I've lived my entire life in this area. As far as I'm concerned, our community leaders failed the people in the beginning. Decisions were made long before anybody in the private sector outside the city limits were informed.

It would be easy to place the blame on each individual, citing they would find some excuse that prevented them...but that's not totally true and it wouldn't be fair to even suggest that. I believe it's been a problem of miscommunication from the get go.

goldenoldie — November 8, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Adviser: Romney "shellshocked" by loss**

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong. And maybe they weren't: There was Karl Rove on Fox saying Ohio wasn't settled, so campaign aides decided to wait. They didn't want to have to withdraw their concession, like Al Gore did in 2000, and they thought maybe the suburbs of Columbus and Cincinnati, which hadn't been reported, could make a difference.

But then came Colorado for the president and Florida also was looking tougher than anyone had imagined.

"We just felt, 'where's our path?'" said a senior adviser. "There wasn't one."

Romney then said what they knew: it was over.

His personal assistant, Garrett Jackson, called his counterpart on Mr. Obama's staff, Marvin Nicholson. "Is your boss available?" Jackson asked.

Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.

"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

..

Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.

"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.

Read more @ http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Instead of understanding this election was a repudiation of 2010 Republican ideology and policies, most republicans seem to be grabbing at straws.

Excuses like "more takers than makers", Karl Rove's "voter suppression" fantasy, Hurricane Sandy, Chris Christie, Romney, biased mainstream media, reduced prices at chick fil a ...they're just not getting it.

We want women to have control over their bodies and equal pay in their jobs, we want affordable health care that provides services regardless of pre-existing conditions and health care for our children into adulthood while they get a foot hold in our society, a fair tax code that helps even the playing field, funding for education and public services, immigration reform, affordable higher education, jobs that pay a livable wage, Social Security pay which we own, a Medicare system to take care of us in our last years and many other items I left out.

And most of all people overwhelmingly voted Barack Hussein Obama in for a second term as President of these United States based on the job he has done so far. Otherwise he would not have won.

Republicans need to get over themselves, man up and listen to the people who not only rejected their presidential candidate, but rejected right wing conservative positions on contraception, abortion, gay rights, pot, contraception, etc.

This was A REJECTION by a decisive majority.

Republicans need to accept they lost. RW ideas lost. RW candidates lost, RW money...lost.

Republicans need to regroup and search themselves as to the why and the how they let their party become the absolute political tragedy and laughing stock it currently is.

Republicans need to accept/respect this President and the people's values who elected him.

amen

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 6:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJbnT018vgc&feature;=related

A thunderstruck GOP because you know who is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiOD2i...

Back in black!

Congrats Obama!

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie: Those very early meetings, starting in 2004 for me at least, were not well-attended, but they obviously were counted as "public testimony" time.

This whole damn thing gives me a head ache and I am so glad that I don't make my living at the CRC or in Clark County politics in general! I have absolutely no idea of where this is going to go.

I really do love the diversity in this county, the variety of voices. I just want to get across that river more reliably than I do now. If they want to blow the whole thing up and start running ferries, I'll take it.

Starting from scratch (again, I am one of the old attendees from 2004) after all this time to accommodate those who were late to the planning party just does not seem right.

Just sayin'

manthou — November 8, 2012 at 7:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.

Obama won by a 2% margin the house republicans won by a 10% margin. The people have spoken and they overwhelmingly approve of house republicans. Democrats in the house need to accept that the electorate has rejected them.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

Back in 2004 it sounded like the CRC was planning another Glenn Jackson. No problem - especially as the economy was good. It wasn't until about 2008 or so that all these opulent designs to build something "we can all be proud of" started becoming known to the public. And then the "no light rail, no bridge" ultimatum. The source of both was Portland Metro, and voiced by Mayor Adams. And you might also recall we had a mayoral race with Mayor Pollard saying small tolls would be necessary, and City Council member Leavitt saying no tolls. (Less well known is that he was also predicting $8 tolls.) By then we were deep in our recession, and the idea of a $3.5 billion (or much more) bridge with several dollar tolls - the details of which were finally becoming much more well known - was considered completely unreasonable.

roger — November 8, 2012 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert- Maybe this will help you understand the numbers and how decisive this election was.

However after your statement about the Libertarian Party being the future...anyway...hope this helps.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/11/08/how-redistricting-could-keep-the-house-red-for-a-decade/

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

A question - who was holding the CRC community meetings back in 2004 and where? Was this possibly part of the downtown revitalization discussion that was picking up steam back then? That was a pretty irrelevant conversation to people on the east side. Frankly, the only reasons I saw to go downtown back then were the Farmers Market and the neat pawn shops across from the Greyhound station. And when they ran the pawn shops off - oh, well - down to one reason.

Maybe I missed it, but I really don't recall hearing much of anything here on the east side. I remember people were complaining about bridge lifts, because I've always though that a stupid complaint (why did you move here knowing you were going to work in Oregon and have to endure them if you find them so inconvenient?). But, as I said before, what little info that I ran across indicated a pretty generic bridge.

roger — November 8, 2012 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


ELECTORAL VOTES

(270 TO WIN) **332** 206

TOTAL **61,122,638** 58,130,991

PERCENT **50.5%** 48.0%

And still counting in Blue state WA!

Barack Obama. The first President since FDR receiving more than 50% of the popular vote entering into his second term!

A mandate to be sure.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.

"Barack Obama. The first President since FDR receiving more than 50% of the popular vote entering into his second term!"

1956 Dwight D. Eisenhower 57.4%
1972 Richard M. Nixon 60.7%
1984 Ronald Reagan 58.8%
1996 William J. Clinton 49.2%
2004 George W. Bush 50.7%
That would make Obama the first democrat President to garner more than 50%, not the first President by far.
Where do you get your "facts"?

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.

"Republicans need to regroup and search themselves as to the why and the how they let their party become the absolute political tragedy and laughing stock it currently is."

No, laughing stock was when Mondale took only one state and lost the popular vote by over 18%

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I meant to include Democrat. :) Is that all you have? Some weird opaque understanding wrapped up in a sarcastic salty tortilla libertair flavored ballot?

Nothing seems relevant to you outside of your boxed in odd take on conservative ideology. And that's okay. It takes all kinds to make up this fine country and we are the better for it.

Anyway frobert, did you vote this election?

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 7:58 p.m.

Of course I voted.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well here we go again, and again; “the Republicans are finished”…. While I don’t subscribe to the notion of some imminent demise, you may want to consider that if or when this happens, it may also foment a realignment of the Democrats. Perhaps the more “out of the main stream” of each party going their own way, and the more centrist of the two parties forming a coalition or even a new party. Don’t forget how many Democrats have left that party over the years, over the increasingly Socialist agenda.

Aside from that, it will be interesting to see how the Obama administration deals with the marijuana legalization states. It’s time for a 10th amendment showdown. While Libertarians have no conflicting sentiments over the thing, others do; the 1)social Conservatives and the 2)social Liberals, as juxtaposed against the their often times, respective, beliefs in 1) states rights and 2) an omnipresent national government.

I would guess that how SCOTUS justices may line up on the issue, may surprise many.

kn_dalai — November 8, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*No, laughing stock was when Mondale took only one state and lost the popular vote by over 18%*

Today is Thursday, November 08 2012. We are residing in the 21st century. Abortion is legal as is contraception. Black people and women can vote. Leave it to Beaver is a rerun and we lost Andy Griffith some time back.

Conservatives. Why yesterday's past is a thing of tomorrow.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GO, OK - went to the Doc. She said exactly what I thought she would. Drink LOTS of fluids (water) and take these pills. The pills make me a little fuzzy, (this has only taken me 5 minutes to write) and I keep having to take trips to the bathroom, maybe I'll sleep downstairs, no bathroom upstairs and don't want to fall going down stairs. Maybe I'll switch to beer, kill two birds with one stone.

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — November 8, 2012 at 8:06 p.m

When the SCOTUS ruled in Gonzales v. Raich it was three conservative members of the court that questioned the Federal government's authority to regulate marijuana grown for personal use. Thomas' dissent is great reading.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey kn_d. I thought some of this leftist collectivist rhetoric might get you out of the closet.

You know there's a story here. One of conservative ideologues, a distant planet, isolation, and a relieved democracy.

**HD 40307g: Alien 'Super-Earth' Planet May Be Habitable, Astronomers Say**

Astronomers have detected an alien planet that may be capable of supporting life as we know it — and it's just a stone's throw from Earth in the cosmic scheme of things.

The newfound exoplanet, a so-called "super-Earth" called HD 40307g, is located inside its host star's habitable zone, a just-right range of distances where liquid water may exist on a world's surface. And the planet lies a mere 42 light-years away from Earth, meaning that future telescopes might be able to image it directly, researchers said.

"The longer orbit of the new planet means that its climate and atmosphere may be just right to support life," study co-author Hugh Jones, of the University of Hertfordshire in England, said in a statement. "Just as Goldilocks liked her porridge to be neither too hot nor too cold but just right, this planet or indeed any moons that it has lie in an orbit comparable to Earth, increasing the probability of it being habitable."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/hd-40307g-alien-planet_n_2092308.html

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe I'll switch to beer, kill two birds with one stone.

hawkeye — November 8, 2012 at 8:11 p.m.

Stone one and kill two birds with a bowl!

Get better and be careful.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddx8t6...

For those that might have missed his acceptance speech. In my opinion the most powerful he's ever delivered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBK2rf...

Barack Obama. A man starting to realize his place in history. This will be an exciting four years as Obama will pursue agenda's with the experience & savvy only scars & wounds from first four years could teach. He's living history and he understands it. Look for big things.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 8:54 p.m.

He will go down in history as the first president to publicly order the assassination of citizens. He will join other great democrats like Jackson(trail of tears) Wilson(birth of a Nation) ,FDR(indefinite detention based on race) and Truman(KKK). Proud democrat tradition.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


@ 8:54- *In my opinion the most powerful he's ever delivered.*

Might have gotten caught up in election night spirit.

I watched it again and I'll downgrade it to the top five or six. But still really good!

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert @ 9:14- *the first president to **publicly** order*

The others just went behind our backs. Could turn out to be a plus!

As long as he doesn't join Nixon, Reagan and the Bush boys, I guess that's something.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 9:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 9:23 p.m.

They didn't assassinate citizens or their underage children. Obama should have been impeached for that.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert @ 9:27- First time I've heard anyone tout Nixonian values!! :))) This is great!

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.

Not a fan of Nixon(I preferred Goldwater) but his values far outweigh our current President.

frobert — November 8, 2012 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


*but his values far outweigh*

But his values **used** to far outweigh) Just reminding you, Nixon passed away in 94' & the other Barry (not Soetoro) in 98'.

Trying to keep this time warp hatch thingy battened down.

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You just can't beat the level of sincerity at Fox News.

**Sean Hannity Flips On Immigration Reform, Now Supports Pathway To Citizenship**

One day after the GOP suffered a crushing presidential defeat that spotlighted the party's unpopularity with Latino voters, Fox News star Sean Hannity announced that his position on undocumented immigrants had "evolved" and that he now supports a pathway to citizenship. (Listen above.)

Musing on his radio show about how his party could convince Latinos to switch parties, Hannity proposed a solution:

*"We've gotta get rid of the immigration issue altogether. It's simple for me to fix it. I think you control the border first, you create a pathway for those people that are here, you don't say you gotta home. And that is a position that I've evolved on. Because you know what--it just--it's gotta be resolved. The majority of people here--if some people have criminal records you can send' em home--but if people are here, law-abiding, participating, four years, their kids are born here... first secure the border, pathway to citizenship... then it's done. But you can't let the problem continue. It's gotta stop."*

His declaration comes amid a wave of Republican soul-searching in the wake of Tuesday's loss.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/sean-hannity-immigration-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2096255.html

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 10:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Democratic House Candidates Received More Votes Than Republicans**

While Republicans hung onto control of the House of Representatives after Tuesday's election, Democratic candidates across the U.S. received more total votes than Republican candidates did.

While not all ballots have been counted, Democrats hold an edge over Republicans in overall votes. According to ThinkProgress, 53,952,240 votes were cast for Democratic candidates, while Republican candidates received 53,402,643. However, thanks in part to redistricting, Republicans will hold more than half the seats in the House while receiving less than half of overall votes.

In Pennsylvania, for example, President Barack Obama received 52 percent of the vote, compared with Mitt Romney's 46.8 percent total. However, Democrats won only five of the state's 18 seats in the House of Representatives. As Slate's Dave Weigel points out, the state's congressional districts have been gerrymandered to keep suburban and rural areas red. Ohio shows a similar trend, with just four of the state's 16 seats going blue.

After Tuesday's election, the House total for next term stands at 234 Republicans to 195 Democrats, with six races still uncalled. Democrats currently lead in five of those six races. If those five win, Democrats will have picked up a net gain of seven House seats.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/house-candidates-votes_n_2096978.html

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 10:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4699s...

**EPIC!**

nailingit — November 8, 2012 at 11:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye, I've read in homeopathic sites somewhere that Beer is actually beneficial to sufferers of kidney stones. It helps to break down the stone. I exercise extreme caution to you on utilizing beer with any medication. If it were me, my preference would be the medication and loads of water. If I were prone to kidney stones and wasn't suffering any episode of passing the stone such as the one you are experiencing, then I'd have an occasional beer once a week, just to prevent the onset.

Never mix alcohol with prescriptions.

goldenoldie — November 9, 2012 at 6:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 7:15 pm: So glad to see you jump in with your perspective. I always welcome it and the path it usually helps lead me to.

I am just sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle and see how the CRC handles this latest issue.

I am mildly amused, however, that folks seem to think that the NO votes against the sales tax increase all came from folks opposed to light rail. Even Seattle media is reporting it as such. I know many business men and women who voted against this measure but are definitely in favor of bringing light rail over here and funding it in other ways.

This is the longest-running drama, worse than an election cycle. It has to play out, messy and loud, and I am simply grateful for this:

1. I no longer work in Portland.

2. I can purchase all the goods and services I need on the North bank of the Columbia.

3. I can access our northern Oregon coast cabin via US 30 Longview/Kelso route.

If our two grown sons did not have the poor taste to live south of the river, we would never have to fret about how and when to cross the blessed thing ever again. :)

manthou — November 9, 2012 at 6:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Starting from scratch (again, I am one of the old attendees from 2004) after all this time to accommodate those who were late to the planning party just does not seem right."""

So is the price of the spending thus far on a project design with too many flaws and lacking the support of the people!

So where do they go from here, manthou? Do the current CRC planners throw in the towel? No, that's not an option. The powers that be have made it clear that I-5 is a main corridor of the future for freight transit from Canada to Mexico. Something has to be done.

Would a third bridge on the east side as suggested by County Commissioner-Elect David Madore be beneficial to the I-5 Corridor? In my honest opinion the benefit would be minimal...hardly what the goal is for the Corridor of the Future. I believe it would only be beneficial to the localized area, Hwy 14 and I-84 or Airport Way and to the businesses of that region. Sometimes one has to ask themselves (hint-hint, David), how would a third bridge on the east side help commuter/freight transit along the I-5 Corridor? There would be no bypass to I-5 further south as I-205 does. That's why I-205 was designed and built.

Getting back to the CRC backers...do they accept their mistakes, ditch the current design plan and go for one which is Billions of Dollars less to design, plan and build process in the long run (which I believe in the past, Hawkeye has pointed out a local bridge designer's idea which is exactly the design I am referring)...one which would place a much less monetary burden on taxpayers and be more efficient for many years to come??? Absolutely!

So what is their major malfunction with regards to making the transition to a new design and as I'd asked before...why didn't they have a PLAN B design ready to go since the USCG refuses to allow anything too low for shipping traffic???

goldenoldie — November 9, 2012 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou @6:30am...it's all propaganda, not news. They're trying to understand why the voters said they wouldn't pay more taxes for the light rail. They can't fathom the fact that we just had one sales tax increase to pay for C-Tran's existing service to continue (although they're talking of cutting Bus 4 and 44 to Delta Park which makes no sense whatsoever, given the gambling issue is drawing those from the north side of the river who like the one-arm bandit entertainment and C-Tran is benefiting from that as is the Oregon Lottery). They also cannot fathom the fact that our unemployment rate in this county is higher than most areas and that we're facing the high probability of a daily $8.25 toll (one way) in our near future.

You may not have business on the Oregon side, but a lot of other people do. We want our money's worth and we all see what is happening with regards to MAX and TriMet and the ugly result of downtown Portland.

goldenoldie — November 9, 2012 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nalingit...

My fellow forum dweller, I believe you've been gloating far too long since Tuesday's election. Obama has won. Romney has lost. That's what elections are for and the people have spoken...so rather than continue with your Repub propaganda war of sorts which is truly hindering the excellent talking points you share (in between the copy/paste of links and comments...8))...), might I suggest you focus on issues that are going on right now which affects each and every one of us instead? Just sayin'.

The REASON why President Obama has won his second term is the FACT that voters...50% of the voters believe he has managed to stop the barrel roll in our economy...something which in my opinion was quite a difficult task that caused our debt to surge to new heights. We're living in a different era from when Bush was President...one which I believe is even more difficult for a president even to retain consistency and to make improvements which won't cripple our economic climate, given the global economic state and the uproar in the Middle East. Our president is facing an even more difficult task and that is to pay back the debts brought on by past as well as current administrations and to reduce that debt without crippling the people...something which I believe will come at a huge price - more of a debt shift from one entity to another. He's facing scrutiny with regards to Israel and the Palestinians and Iran. He's facing international scrutiny for not doing enough or doing too much to help nations battling their own people. And he's facing a headache of national proportions when it comes to healthcare, SSI, unemployment and trying to find ways to improve the public education system.

He will go under scrutiny by those who oppose his political views and anything he does in his plan to improve our nation. Not all will agree with his decisions, but he's our chosen one and we need to respect that. Respect...something we all should exercise these days.

goldenoldie — November 9, 2012 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


What??? It's not just John Boehner who sheds a tear in public??? What is this world coming to??? Okay, okay...I'm just kidding. Yes, President Obama was seen breaking down while he spoke to his campaign staff...actually shedding tears. Well who wouldn't??? This has been a heck of an election this year...definitely one for the books.

Besides...*A Grown Man Crying is NOT a sign of weakness.* It's a sign that he is not afraid to show his emotions. Any man who tries to hide his emotions in my opinion is weak because of the fact that he's afraid someone will tease his manhood.

goldenoldie — November 9, 2012 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


For those **moderates** out there, this video clip on Morning Joe today is a **must see**:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/11/09/david-frum-gop-has-been-fleeced-exploited-and-l/191294

manthou — November 9, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*I believe you've been gloating far too long since Tuesday's election.*

Thanks for your input!

**Who’s Skewed Now? Beaten GOP Wakes Up to the Real America**

To all those ultraconservatives who were convinced that America would never reelect a “lazy” “Kenyan” “socialist” “fraud”:

America is not what you think it is.

I understand how you’re feeling right now. Betrayed. Bewildered. Indignant. You woke up on Election Day believing certain things. Scratch that. You didn’t believe. You knew. You knew that Barack Obama wasn’t who he said he was. Some of you “knew” he was Muslim; others “knew” he was born in Africa. A majority “knew” he was a socialist. Many of you even “knew” his deeper, darker secrets.

But whether you knew all of this stuff or just some of it, the thing you knew most of all was that Obama’s demise was at hand. The end of Obama was nigh. You knew, as GQ’s Reid Cherlin reported last summer, that Mitt Romney would deliver “not merely a 51–49 win but a run-the-table walloping that will send Obama into the history books as an undisputed calamity for America.” The country would not be fooled again. To you it was clear that “Obama was ‘crashing before our eyes,’” as New York’s Jonathan Chait wrote, “his administration ‘entering his pitiful phase,’ Americans turning against him in a ‘harbinger of doom.’ In an eerie replay of the Carter administration … the economy was dragging him down and, to make matters worse, he was ‘a very bad politician.’” All of this was self-evident. Obvious. You knew Obama would lose.

And when the polls suggested that Obama had a better chance of winning than Romney, you knew the polls were wrong. They were oversampling Democrats. They weren’t factoring in Romney’s advantage among independents. They were part of a vast left-wing media conspiracy to depress GOP turnout. To really know how America was going to vote on Election Day, you had to “unskew” the polls by reweighting each pollster’s sample to include more Republicans—and thus better reflect what you knew to be the true composition of America. Once unskewed, the polls reinforced what you knew all along: that Romney was destined for a landslide.

But then, on Tuesday night, the results came rolling in. Suddenly Obama had won every single swing state except North Carolina: Florida by 1 point; Ohio by 2; Virginia by 3; Colorado by 4; Iowa by 5; and New Hampshire by 6. Somehow he had clobbered Romney by 126 votes in the Electoral College and more than 2.5 million in the popular count. On Monday, you knew that America would never reelect the president. And then on Tuesday, America did.

Read more @ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/08/who-s-skewed-now-beaten-gop-wakes-up-to-the-real-america.html

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Great segment manthou. Hopefully this election brought a wake up call to the right. I have my doubts!

It seems many just didn't get what this election was all about...

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal


GO, thanks for the info. I promise, I will and would never take my meds with alcohol. Even I know better than that.

nail, thanks for the Maddow clip, I really love that lady. She's just great at her job and she mixes in a little humor which makes her that much better. I'd really like to see her and Bill Maher get together. That would be a fun show.

manthou !!!! what are you trying to say??? Or more to the point, what were those guys trying to say? That FOX NEWS LIES??? Say it isn't so. Sounds oddly familiar though.

hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Funny stuff! On a serious note I hope pot prices drop considerably.

**Jon Stewart Mocks Fox News, NBC For Marijuana Legalization Coverage (VIDEO)**

The media covered the issue differently depending on which network you tuned into, though, and it inspired Stewart to play a little game called "Find the Narc."

He asked viewers to consider NBC's Brian Williams, who suggested certain snack foods that he enjoys to his co-anchors, and then compare it to Fox New's Steve Doocy, who wondered on-air, "What's to keep someone from getting all potted up on weed and then getting behind the wheel?"

Check out the full clip above.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/jon-stewart-mocks-fox-news-marijuana-legalization-video_n_2099896.html

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal



Nailingit @8:11 am...

You're welcome...8)

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Hawkeye @9:18 am...

Now *THAT's* a relief...

I think.

goldenoldie — November 9, 2012 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail-

*This was A REJECTION by a decisive majority.*

A decisive victory would be something like what JHB won by 60-40... This election was by 2%....In addition more than 10million fewer votes were cast than back in 2008. There was so much apathy that was created over the past four years that many just threw their hands up. Obama won because he won the minority block.. Those with the highest need for government assistance and simply because Romney was white.. Even if Christie would have run he would have lost the minority card as well...You can't shake the demographics of this election anymore than the facts...

It was obvious because Obama didn't run on any specific platform other than, Romney is a rich white guy and stay with me folks I'm goona get everyone a turkey for thanks giving... I promise....

Did you listen to the part of his speech when he said we need to get this country back together, He is the one that has divided it among race and socioeconomic factors...

His next battle will be over the Terrorists attack in Benghazi, The Republicans are just lining up all the dominoes before they hit him with it...While it most likely won't be an impeachable offense he will lose whatever trust with the American public and those in congress which will make the next four years very rough for all of us... IMHO...

vanwadreamer — November 9, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwa-Try shutting down your TV and turning off the radio for awhile.

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Better yet sit through the Maddow vid @ 11:40. Focus vanwa.

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


vanwadreamer — November 9, 2012 at 11:11 a.m

Whaa, whaa, whaa, whaa, whaaaaaa

talk about a sore loser.

Oh, Obama won because he's black, Obama won because nobody could see him behind Christie, Obama won because he's Muslim, Obama won because Romney's a rich white guy (well that might have something to do with it).

***Geeze, vanwaaaa, Obama won because he was the BEST person running.***

***Get over it. It's done.***

Damn, such a whiner.

hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey Hawk,

Presidents new plan- Old plan ..

Tax the rich more which doesnt even put a dent into the deficit. His plan is a flawed plan which will result if implemented the way he wants will actually result in job losses per article in columbian... Why is it there are no economists that back his strategy???Answer that..

The truth hurts doesn't it, only the people making less than middle income wages voted for Obama..At our small business meeting today which included 17 bus owners which 6 are minority, none voted for Obama..I wonder why...

Researchers determined the plan would actually subject 2.1 million business owners to higher rates; specifically, those who pay pass-through taxes, like most partnerships, LLCs and S-Corporations. The result, less capital in the hands of business owners and diminished labor supply, would cost the United States an estimated $200 billion in economic output and 710,000 jobs.

Thats a plan alright, to put the country back into a recession and maybe many small businesses too...

I'm sorry you don't get it, it's just lets tax the rich, and everything else will take care of itself.. Doesn't work that way... Small bus buys from other small businesses and so on...Prices of goods and materials will go up and spending by families will go down = disaster... I'll tell ya what, why not come to one of our meetings, you can be my guest.. The group is about 60/40 Rep and dem so You might find some common ground somehwere..

Oh and lets increase the min wage, thats a great idea too.. Maybe we can educate you two on the bus side of things..Just saying..

vanwadreamer — November 9, 2012 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


This Petraeus thing will be fascinating to watch unfold. Before it's said and done a mini-series will be based on it.

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vanwa- You are articulating like you never have before to include spell check. Same lousy ideas and lack of insight in my opinion, but easier to read. What's up with that?

Regardless. It's amazing you prefer Bush era policies.

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Great interview!

Rachel Maddow On 'Colbert Report': Election Was Day 'When The Facts Have A Liberal Bias' **(VIDEO)**

Stephen Colbert has a new nickname for Rachel Maddow's show: "conservative dream killing machine."

The MSNBC host appeared on Thursday's "Colbert Report," where she reflected on President Obama's victory and her network's coverage of the election. When asked if she's gotten any sleep since Tuesday, Maddow replied, "No, I haven't." She said that she was exhausted two days after staying up all night. "I can't think. I'm very tired," she told Colbert.

He asked her to describe the reaction inside MSNBC when NBC News called the election for Obama. "When Ohio went, we were not expecting it," Maddow recalled.

"The people at Fox seemed more freaked out than you guys seemed elated," Colbert remarked. "Why weren't you doing the end zone dance?"

"I think the difference between the two sides is that the right talked themselves into the idea that it was going to be a Romney landslide based on, I don't know," Maddow replied. She said that people like Karl Rove had projected a Romney win based on "enthusiastic crowds" and their "gut" feelings.

"Turned out to be a bad way to predict the election," she said.

Later, Colbert turned to her show, which he called a "conservative dream killing machine."

"I don't want to kill anyone's dreams," Maddow said, laughing, "But I do feel like there's an important role to play in disabusing people of their fantasies that do not comport with what's going on in the real world."

Then, referring to her epic post-election rant, she added that the events of Tuesday night pleased liberals without any spin. "This is one of those days when the facts have a liberal bias," she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/rachel-maddow-colbert-obama_n_2099519.html

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


vw-I pay pass-thru taxes, and I'm glad I do. By passing my earnings from my business into my personal taxes, my effective tax rate is much lower than it was when I was employed.

I don't think the rich are being picked on, lots of folks with much smaller incomes are going to pay more, ex. they creep into the alternative minimum tax group.

If we're serious about debt reduction, we're all going to have to pay more tax and the federal spending must go down. I don't see any other way. Five years of a depressed economy has made everything worse. We didn't go broke overnight and we ain't gonna fix it anytime soon. Had tax increases been enacted and spending been reduced when the economy was expanding, we probably would be looking at a fiscal ditch right now instead of a cliff.

Draconian cuts alone won't work-see Europe-and a sharp rise in taxes will probably slow a weak economy-see US.

Get the economy moving, phase in tax hikes and spending cuts-real cuts, not that "reducing the rate of growth" non-sense.

BTW-it seems I've read more opinions/studies the indicate raising certain taxes that rich folks pay reduces revenue as they move money elsewhere to avoid taxes. But I've also read where investors don't pass up a seemingly good investment due to taxes on their return.

As long as we keep this so politically charged-we're screwed.

Unlike this FB clown, wonder who got this guy hoping things go bad under Obama so he'll have to take the fall? Wouldn't be those House R's? Naw-didn't think so!

"If the President digs in and won't comprise, which I hope he doesn't, and we fall of this fiscal cliff, it is be under his watch and he should and will take the blame."

mrd — November 9, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal



I liked the President's tone this morning. A reason doesn't exist for not continuing Bush era tax cuts for the 98% immediately. Let the fiscal cliff be dealt with in the weeks to come, but extend middle class tax cuts now. Republican leadership are backed into a tight corner on this one!

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Conservatives Struggle To Explain How Mitt Romney Lost 2012 Presidential Election

WASHINGTON -- Republicans across the country were shellshocked as President Barack Obama defeated Mitt Romney in Tuesday’s presidential election, finishing the race with 332 electoral votes and winning every battleground state except for North Carolina. The blame game began almost immediately, as Republicans looked to determine how a vulnerable incumbent like Obama had found a pathway to reelection.

The evidence behind the president’s victory points toward a stronger appeal to middle-class Americans, one of the most formidable ground games in the history of politics, and serious failures within the GOP to attract Latino and women voters. But a faction of conservatives were having none of it -- offering up instead a series of explanations for their nominee’s loss, rounded up below:

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/conservatives-mitt-romney-presidential-election_n_2099504.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 4:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Political news just keeps getting better!!

**McKenna concedes Washington state governor's race**

OLYMPIA, Wash. — Republican gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna is conceding defeat.

Campaign manager Randy Pepple told reporters Friday night that McKenna called Democrat Jay Inslee to congratulate him. Inslee had steadily held a 51 percent advantage in the race as ballots were counted this week.

The decision brings to end one of the most watched, most expensive gubernatorial races in the country. The two candidates and outside political groups raised and spent some $40 million in the race.

McKenna had portrayed himself as a moderate with a plan to increase funding for education. Inslee had touted his plans to spur job growth by investing in clean energy and other specific sectors.

Both candidates vowed to not raise taxes. Those policies will be put to the test in January, when lawmakers begin negotiations over how to deal with a budget shortfall and the need for more education funding.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83663.html#ixzz2BmiSMXv4

nailingit — November 9, 2012 at 6:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


NAIL-
I kinda agree-BUT-in order to solve the deficit/budget/economy fiasco, there's gonna have to be some serious movement each way. The D's, including me, you & Obama, can't get all our marbles. The R's can't get all theirs. That's the way is should work. There's no mandate, skin of the teeth is a better description. Someone's gotta offer the olive branch, and the other side has to pick it up. And vice-versa. All Republicans aren't dumb, and neither are Democrats. Both are stupid, ignorant fools if they are rooted is some idealology that obviously ain't working. As I slip into idealolgy, "trickle down" comes to mind. Never has, never will, but....I'm no expert.

My biggest concern is the defense budget. With so much money dedicated to inventing new ways (or better ways) to kill people, why don't I feel safer flying to NY? As if stuff in Pakistan or whereverstan is making my domestic flight safer? Check Obama's record on EO's-they're scary.

Let's do as they did wayyy..back when. Develop infrastructure thru public works projects-like Bonneville Dam. Borrow the money? Try to find a rate less than 0%, as it is now. Wanna find lenders? Set up a national bank-as has been suggested-with Elizabeth Warren leading the thing. Another great olive branch-PUT MITT ROMNEY IN CHARGE OF DISPERSING THE FUNDS TO DO SO. The olive branch-would be fantastic bi-partisianship-but then I woke up to deal with same old h'roids. Some things never change.

mrd — November 9, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


obama doesn't compromise. He threatens and if he doesn't get his way, uses executive order. He has no clue how to bargain and won't unless he has no other choice. We are probably heading back into a recession and obama and only obama will be at fault when it happens. I'll bet he has never said please or thankyou and really meant it. He has acted more like a dictator during the last four years and it will get worse over the next four. I have one question. What is this guy going to do when his second term is over? Since he has no skills, what so ever, he will probably remain a career politician, or go to work for one of his special interest buddies that he has been wasting our hard earned tax dollars on.

cranky — November 9, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


> What is this guy going to do when his second term is over? Since he has no skills, what so ever, he will probably remain a career politician, or go to work for one of his special interest buddies that he has been wasting our hard earned tax dollars on. -- cranky — November 9, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.

If you think you’re cranky now…let me really ruin your day.

As a former professor of constitutional law, don’t overlook the possibility of Obama, one day, being appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Obama will be 55 when he leaves the White House. Former President William Howard Taft was 63 when he was appointed as Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.

kn_dalai — November 9, 2012 at 8:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey, has anybody noticed, on the other side, the absence of Lew Waters since the election? I wonder if he's OK. That's not like him to vanish like that.

hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 9:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — November 9, 2012 at 8:48 p.m.

Would that be the same constitutional law professor that thinks the president has the authority to assassinate U.S. citizens? Or believes that the U.N. needs to authorize war but not the Congress? Or was unaware that the executive branch controls drug scheduling?

frobert — November 9, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

Lew, much like NeoCons all across the country took every chance to insult and degrade the "Ron Paul kids", people like him probably have as much to do with Obama's second term as Obama did. Registered republicans numbers have grown considerably during this campaign, but they refused to vote for Romney because of the treatment they got from Romney, Priebus and people like Lew. They don't want those people in the party but the party will not survive without them.

frobert — November 9, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — November 9, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.

"Would that be the same constitutional law professor that thinks the president has the authority to assassinate U.S. citizens?"

You keep bringing that up. Would you please reference the actual murder?

hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7396830n

A week after the assassination al-Awlaki's 16 year old son was targeted and killed by a drone while attending a memorial backyard gathering.

frobert — November 9, 2012 at 9:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry fro, I have to go with Panetta on this one. I'm sure you won't but that's your choice. I don't support terrorists, and you do, good for you.

hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 10:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 10:12 p.m.

of course you have to go with Panetta on this one, he's a democrat, and that is all that matters to you. I have to go with the constitution on this one, no politician has the right to arbitrarily decide who doesn't deserve to live. Obama should have been impeached, the Constitution is clear. If a republican president had done the same thing you guys would have been screaming for prosecution.

frobert — November 9, 2012 at 11:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6syyV...

kn_d crank & fro...kndcrankinfro. Sounds like the Hungarian word for a disgruntled hausfrau.

Anyway, enjoy!

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 4:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*As a former professor of constitutional law, don’t overlook the possibility of Obama, one day, being appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court.*

Sounds a bit daft. At least he would be able to fit in his chair.

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 4:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


mrd- I agree defense spending needs to be looked at in a hard way.

Obama's victory was strong and decisive. Democrats across the country won big, not just on economical issues, but social/cultural issues as well. Obama needs to use this capital while it's fresh and personally campaign around the country to pass his agenda. Take it to the people relentlessly.

Passing tax cuts immediately for the 98% is a great way to start. He needs to take it to Republican leadership's states and pound it hard.

America has moved way way way way too far right in the last 30 years. Obama needs to draw fresh lines in the sand. Not to be divisive, but to do the will of the majority of Americans who voted him in office.

Elections have consequences. The Senate races were more than telling.

Given all the political variables, this election was more than decisive. It was a directive to government leadership to get the hell out of our personal lives and fix this economy, but not off the backs of the middle class.

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 5:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Hey, has anybody noticed, on the other side, the absence of Lew Waters since the election? I wonder if he's OK. That's not like him to vanish like that.*

hawkeye — November 9, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

I wonder if he's still penning Lew's Corner, or whatever his blogging adventure is called. This election was more than a win for America. it was a reckoning. No doubt he has been shaken to his core.

For conservatives this election was a nightmare. For others it brought a sense of decency, normalcy, and a strong realization that the majority of Americans are not trying to turn this country into a right wing freak show.

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 5:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


**Fantasyland**

Denial has poisoned the GOP and threatens the rest of the country too.

By Frank Rich Published Nov 9, 2012

Mitt Romney is already slithering into the mists of history, or at least La Jolla, gone and soon to be forgotten. A weightless figure unloved and distrusted by even his own supporters, he was always destined, win or lose, to be a transitory front man for a radical-right GOP intent on barreling full-speed down the Randian path laid out by its true 2012 standard-bearer, Paul Ryan. But as was said of another unsuccessful salesman who worked the New England territory, attention must be paid to Mitt as the door slams behind him in the aftermath of Barack Obama’s brilliant victory. Though Romney leaves no political heirs in his own party or elsewhere, he does leave a cultural legacy of sorts. He raised Truthiness to a level of chutzpah beyond Stephen Colbert’s fertile imagination, and on the grandest scale. That a presidential hopeful so cavalierly mendacious could get so close to the White House, winning some 48 percent of the popular vote, is no small accomplishment. The American weakness that Romney both apotheosized and exploited in achieving this feat—our post-fact syndrome where anyone on the public stage can make up anything and usually get away with it—won’t disappear with him. A slicker liar could have won, and still might.

Read more @ http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/gop-denial-2012-11/

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 5:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 5:24 a.m.

Oh yeah, Lew is still going strong on his blog...stronger than ever in fact. There's no holds barred in what he's stating lately.

Nailingit, is it just me noticing or is this a trend of voters whose staunch support in what they believed in, knocked them for a doozie this election? Whatever happened to accepting the decisions of the voters and moving on, working for a better nation? Right now, the focus shouldn't be why this person or that person was election. The focus should be preventing falling over that fiscal cliff into the debt abyss of no return.

I agree with your comment at 5:10 this morning. I'm just wondering if the tax cuts would be too little, too late??? HSBC is drooling over the gridlock in Congress, knowing how it will benefit the banking corporation....and whether they like to admit it or not, the House of Representatives are going to have to act quickly or it might end up falling in our laps in the form of an Executive Order by the president to implement the Carbon Tax which will further cripple the already struggling businesses and families of our nation. I don't know what your thoughts are on this, but if the top 2% and the Republican-majority House of Reps know what is good for their interests and the betterment of our nation, they'd best cut those tax incentives for the wealthy and do it soon. That's my opinion.

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 6:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oopsie...that should say "Right now, the focus shouldn't be why this person or that person was elected."

Time to refill the coffee cup...8)

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 6:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Another thought...

Nailingit and Hawkeye...could it be that maybe Lew is tied up with Veteran's Day gatherings and that's why you aren't seeing him post as much??? If you've ever read his blog, he often brings attention to those who fought in wars in years passed...wonderful tributes to our fighting brave and community involvement showing support for our Veterans.

Also...I'm thinking the election didn't go quite the way he wanted so maybe he's keeping himself preoccupied away from commenting till he can regather his thoughts. Just think of how you would've felt if Mitt Romney had won the presidential seat and Rob McKenna had won governorship of Washington. Would you have stuck around on the forum as much or would you step away for a few??? Of course, this is only my perspective.

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 6:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie,

That was pdxtech90 who mentioned the bridge architect who had a different, much cheaper plan going west of the I5 bridge. I forget his name (Peterson, maybe?), but thirdbridgenow.com has been proposing a similar concept - cross through Port of Vancouver to the western end of Delta Park, and then run spurs to Swan Island and out to Hwy 30. Our problem is that planners in Oregon don't want another bridge - their solution is to find ways to reduce the number of cars on the roads. We car drivers are considered a 20th Century anachronism that needs to join the horse and buggy.

As I keep saying on the "other" side, we had a perfectly good bridge plan - one wide enough to move more cars and have dedicated bus lanes. This got shot down. I'm attaching the 1st of a 3-part video segment that covers a 2010 symposium on what has been the guiding thought process behind the CRC. It's all very wonderful sounding - unless you're one of the people who will pay for this through tolling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgjJde...

roger — November 10, 2012 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't know what your thoughts are on this, but if the top 2% and the Republican-majority House of Reps know what is good for their interests and the betterment of our nation, they'd best cut those tax incentives for the wealthy and do it soon. That's my opinion.

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 6:09 a.m.

It would be a great start. Close some loopholes and ensure tax cuts for 98% of us. Today. It would boost employment/consumer confidence and bring a measure of stability to our economy.

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, thanks for clarifying who it was (sorry about that pdxtech90) that brought the bridge design idea to the forum. Regarding the third bridge on the west side...that would only make perfect sense and has been my number one choice from the get go since a high quantity of long-distance trucking firms utilize Jubitz as a stopping point. Oregon has already improved the SB lanes from Marine Drive which has helped some of the bottleneck...but not enough. With the shipyards west of Vancouver and west of the core of Portland which Semi Trucks make up a hefty percentage of the traffic on the highway for freight transit (which BTW is one of three reasons for the Corridor of the Future improvements...the other two being accessibility for military and commuter traffic) in order to get the imports and exports from point A to point B, why is it the powers that be haven't considered the bypass bridge from the beginning?

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 7:28 a.m.

Given the size of our national debt right now, I'm afraid closing some loopholes, ensuring the tax cuts for the 98% and eliminating tax cuts for the top 2% wage earners are only Band-Aid fixes. Producing more US currency isn't the answer. They will most definitely have to pass along some major cuts across the board if President Obama ever hopes to reverse the course...and that's going to hurt everyone. Also, by eliminating the tax cuts to the uber wealthy...you can bet they'll want to maintain their profit margins and I believe the cost would hit the 98% with a sudden launch in inflationary pricing of just about every product or service...slapping yet another financial migraine to the consumers. Definitely a nightmarish headache nobody wants to deal with.

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*Given the size of our national debt right now, I'm afraid closing some loopholes, ensuring the tax cuts for the 98% and eliminating tax cuts for the top 2% wage earners are only Band-Aid fixes.*

To repeat..."It would be a great start."

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*To repeat... "It would be a great start."*

Well...it would be a start and would be great if our Congress would agree to it.

goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"why is it the powers that be haven't considered the bypass bridge from the beginning?"

Because the CRC was formed to rebuild, or at least upgrade, the I5 bridge. The CRC evaluated several proposals, to include the "another bridge" plans, when coming up with their locally preferred alternative. The deal is, this review of alternatives happened late in the game, years into the early planning process. So whether another route received serious consideration has been a sore point with those who wanted to just refurbish the I5 bridge for now, and build additional bridges instead.

roger — November 10, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal



roger: I so wish your voice and so many other good and valued citizens had been as loud and articulate at the beginning of this CRC process. I mean that. The more input at its inception, the better it could have been. Those early meetings my husband and I and other neighbors attended were like echo chambers: the CRC staff far outnumbered the neighbors.

Early on, light rail was routed all the way up Main Street North to Kiggins Bowl with a Park and Ride in the Lincoln Neighborhood at 39th and Main, but our neighbors were able to stop that with good old fashioned boots on the ground advocacy and education and outreach. We knocked on doors, handed out flyers, talked to residents and businesses. There was pushback, we were heard and an alternate route was developed that saved upper Main (for now).

If we hadn't been in attendance at the early meetings, might LR be headed in a different direction? Who knows? Point is: in order to change minds and advocate, you have to be at the table early.

So many citizens did not prick their ears up until so much ground work had been laid. And the CRC argument now will be (it is quite justified): where the hell were you when you had the chance?

The CRC is NOT gonna scrap 10 years of work and go back to any drawing board. And this is why I am throwing my tired hands up in the air, watching this second string come in (with good points late in the game), while I attend to business on the north side of the Columbia while process is set back further.

Ain't gonna be a third bridge. Ain't gonna be a different design. Those advocating for these options missed their chance for their good ideas to be considered many years ago while my neighbors and I were dukeing it out for them early. We could have included their good ideas if we only had them.

We could have used their help then, so I am not too sympathetic now, beyond cheering for their free speech rights to express themselves.

manthou — November 10, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Today's Fox News Watch is the best episode ever! Just precious! It's on till 1:00 and comes on again tomorrow at 9:00PM if anyone is interested. Fun to watch for both sides of the aisle.

Instead of popcorn, I suggest bringing hemlock and belladonna in order to get a real feel for the conversation flow.

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


If you eliminated the southern redneck conservative voting block, Obama would have garnered 90% of the popular vote. Something to think about.

Clinton/Patrick 2016

**Medicaid Expansion To Poorest Southerners Denied By Republicans**

If you're poor and you live in the South, there's a good chance health care reform won't reach you. Intransigent Republican governors from Florida to Texas remain steadfastly resistant to President Barack Obama's plan to expand Medicaid to their neediest constituents.

The health care reform law Obama enacted in 2010 depends heavily on Medicaid, a joint federal-state health benefits program, to reach the goal of near-universal health care. If every state participated, 17 million uninsured people would gain coverage through Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program between 2014 and 2022, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The law extends Medicaid to anyone who earns up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, which is $14,856 this year.

But at least a half-dozen governors say they simply won't go along with the law. When the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare in June, justices ruled states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion. The decision threatens to leave 3 million of the poorest Americans without health coverage, the Congressional Budget Office predicts.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/medicaid-expansion_n_2103384.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


GO the guy that came up with the best bridge proposal was Mr. Kevin Peterson. http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/ja...

My idea for a third bridge was to extend Hwy 217 in Beaverton, down and across Hwy 30 and across the Columbia. Come up by Vancouver Lake then to I-5 around Ridgefield. This would get people out of the west side of Portland/Beaverton/Tigard and up here without having to go downtown to get North. Also, it could pick up truck traffic off Hwy 30 and North Portland that's going North. Most of this bridge can be raised so it wouldn't interfere with the train tracks or roads in Northwest Portland and beyond.

hawkeye — November 10, 2012 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Ron Paul Elected Ruler Of Planet Inhabited By 1 Billion Tiny Ron Pauls**

*'You Are Our Supreme Leader,' Legions Of Miniature Pauls Say In Unison*

Paul will be the first individual to lead the planet of New Texas, an Earth-sized world with abundant precious metals that form the basis of its economy. The planet had previously been overseen by a council of learned Ron Paul duplicates in strict accordance with the policies of Ron Paul.

The victory caps a smooth and non-contentious election in which no other candidate was seen as a serious contender. After beginning his campaign for the throne this summer, running on the Ron Paul Party ticket, Paul quickly gained a 100 percent lead in polls against his top challenger, former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson. Political observers said Paul quickly charmed and gained the trust of the identical-to-Ron-Paul-in-every-respect-but-size demographic—considered essential to his victory—by stressing such trademarks as fiscal responsibility, support for privatized health care, and being Ron Paul.

According to pollsters, Gary Johnson's campaign was effectively over following a debate in which, after Johnson called for the creation of a planetary Federal Reserve system with broad authority, hundreds of audience members swarmed over him and beat him with tiny little sticks.

"Henceforth, none shall dare oppose the mighty Ron Paul," RPNN political analyst Ron Paul EGN-40182-177 said after the first and only debate. "All hail our unopposed leader!"

Pundits across the known universe said Ron Paul would be an excellent match for New Texas, given the planet's history as a conservative, libertarian world known for low taxes and drug legalization.

"You could hardly find a better leader for New Texas than Ron Paul," MSNBC commentator Chris Hayes said. "The broad ideological parity and complete genetic indistinguishability among the planet’s citizens makes Paul a true man of the people in every sense of the word."

Paul's non-interventionist policies may preclude any diplomatic link between New Texas and Earth's governments; however, Paul is said to remain open to building an embassy on the neighboring world of Q'adrillicus, a planet of sentient ocean reefs that support phasing out Social Security and Medicare.

Paul's coronation will occur Nov. 10. According to sources, the coronation ball's theme will be "Ron Paul."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ron-paul-elected-ruler-of-planet-inhabited-by-1-bi,30286/

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Medicaid Expansion To Poorest Southerners Denied By Republicans

I read an interview last week or so, and the guy being interviewed mentioned, that up until Democrats starting pushing civil rights, the South was a collection of blue states, but no more.

These same states have the dubious honor of occupying 8 or 9 places in the bottom 10 for states that are ranked on the basis of health, education, and poverty. Yet all support candidates that look to cut first in health, education, and welfare.

How much racial, god, gays and gun baggage does a person need to toss away chances for their children's health, education, and welfare?

mrd — November 10, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From CNN. Looks like the rank and file supported you-know-who with their $$$. Didn't copy it all, but heck, Paul got $399K, way more than Romney. I thought it would be the other way around-you know-with all those generals endorsing Romney.

President Barack Obama's campaign has received almost double the amount of military donations that Mitt Romney's campaign has, according to data collected by a research group that tracks money and lobbying in U.S. politics.

It's a clue, perhaps, into who the military is rooting for in this presidential election. Obama has received more than $530,000 in campaign contributions from individual military donors, while Romney has taken in more than $280,000 in donations from individuals involved with the military.

Obama's lead in military donations comes despite hundreds of billions in cuts to the Defense Department and the Republican ticket blaming him for a potential half-trillion dollars more in cuts if Congress can't agree on a deficit deal.

mrd — November 10, 2012 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou,

This bridge was only going to be built LRT ready until the Portland proclamation of "no light rail, no bridge" was made about 5 years ago. CRC submitted their first bridge plan this way - the so-called monstrosity that people were still carrying on about in the video I posted earlier today.

I spent about an hour early today looking for an article the Columbian ran a while back. It basically said that all planning before 2008 was "unofficial" and therefore public disclosure didn't really apply (or something of that nature). And there just wasn't a whole lot of info getting out until tolling it became THE Vancouver mayor race election issue.

I understand the belief that several years and $150 million is hard to scrap. But I'm also thinking the bridge won't get built any time soon - none of the money has been committed, and no one seems to have an idea where it's coming from. My real fear is that no one can ante up, and we'll have to give outrageously good rates on transportation bonds to find investors to cough up this money. If we end up going that route, then those $8 tolls most sensible people are pooh-poohing become a real probability. And there are a few people so vested in this project that I can believe they'd try to go this route.

I was truly hoping Marc Boldt would take a definite position that if Prop 1 got shot down, he'd oppose having LRT on the bridge. But he didn't, and I believe that's why he lost.

And there is another reason I hope the CRC dies. Up until about 2 years ago files were just dumped in separate files on the CRC website. (Now everything is "hidden" in numerous poorly described subfiles; it's become nearly impossible to find a lot of the early information. I suspect this is by design.) I was reading documents back then that suggested Portland considered what we're now calling the CRC just Phase 1; tolls wold be used for the needed upgrades around the Rose Quarter and further south. I thought this had died when someone decided that bridge tolling could only pay for the immediate area. But then Mayor Adams resurrected his Rose Quarter I5 relocation and cap project, saying the money could be found from some unspecified source. And then just a couple of months ago the Feds threw another $100 million at the CRC to plan extending the project from Victory Blvd down to Columbia Blvd. I've got a sneaky suspicion planners are still trying to get the I5 Corridor through Portland upgraded - with Vancouver commuters footing a large part of the bill.

roger — November 10, 2012 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Good evening cellar dwellers. I got two points to make tonight.

1. If I ever thought we were a bit raunchy and nasty here in basement, I take it back. We are downright civil and sweet to each other. After Go mentioned that Lew Waters is at it no holds barred (hey Goldie!), I decided to take a look today at his blog. I do that periodically to see "the other side." Holy Moses! He is truly no holds barred, Gold. It is actually very sad to see him being so rude to commenters, calling them all kinds of names, if they so much as hint at disagreement. I have lost every ounce of respect I still had for him, it's pathetic. His take on things also demonstrates the man lives in a different universe. His total disrespect for the president and any Dems in office, is astounding. If he is the face of the GOP and their mindset, we are truly all doomed. There will be zero attempt at negotiation.

2. Re the bridge. I had to go to downtown Portland the last three days for a conference. It took me like 40 minutes to go from parking to one of the bridges across Willamette to get to freeway. People-we are talking 2 blocks! Once on the freeway, I was stuck on the 5 for another 30 minutes for a few miles and exits), and once I hit the bridge, it was clear sailing all the way home. What a nightmare. And clearly, the trouble is south of the bridge, not the bridge. And for this crap we are supposed to shell out all those tolls and put up with light rail??? I don't think so. What we need is some clear thinking to alleviate the PDX traffic, and get it away from downtown. So I agree with Roger, we need a third bridge for the through traffic. I might be mixing up two things here, Portland traffic and bridge issues, but for me they are related. And seeing how badly the traffic is engineered in that city, I doubt the Oregon people have any idea what to do with the bridge at all.

luvithere — November 10, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — November 10, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.

I have (in the past) engaged with Lew but no more. He is the master of spin and can take your words, twist them around and before you know it, you're Jack the Ripper. I refuse to play any longer.

As for I-5, it's easy. Shut off the North bound on ramps at Jantzen Beach, Columbia Blvd, and Delta Park from 3pm to 6pm.

hawkeye — November 10, 2012 at 6:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @ 4:59 PM: thanks for such a thorough and thoughtful response.

One reason to scrap the whole CRC thing and start all over, I suppose, is to make sure there is appropriate oversight from the get-go. I would like to see what the turnover of staff has been. It is very disturbing to know that the early planning is considered "throwaway" effort. Why was it done?

So much of what is being discussed today (third bridge option, for example) was in the "considered and rejected" pile (wherever that is in the files now, hidden or otherwise, is anyone's guess).

We're all getting antsy for this thing to get off the ground as crossing that river is absolutely impossible at times. I am just tired of fighting over a moving goal line.

manthou — November 10, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — November 10, 2012 at 6:09 a.m

luvithere — November 10, 2012 at 6:12 p.m

Would you please provide a link to Lew's blog which you have referenced. The Lew Water's blog which I have looked at, has a gap between 11-7 and today, 11-10. Is there another site to which you are referring?

kn_dalai — November 10, 2012 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line**

Speaker John Boehner, at a news conference on Friday, says he wants to avoid partisan battles.

WASHINGTON — On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose.

Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.

It was a striking contrast to a similar call last year, when Mr. Boehner tried to persuade members to compromise with Democrats on a deal to extend a temporary cut in payroll taxes, only to have them loudly revolt.

With President Obama re-elected and Democrats cementing control of the Senate, Mr. Boehner will need to capitalize on the chastened faction of the House G.O.P. that wants to cut a deal to avert sudden tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts in January that could send the economy back into recession. After spending two years marooned between the will of his loud and fractious members and the Democratic Senate majority, the speaker is trying to assert control, and many members seem to be offering support.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/us/politics/boehner-tells-house-gop-to-fall-in-line.html?_r=0

nailingit — November 10, 2012 at 9:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


http://lewwaters.wordpress.com/

This is against my better judgement, BTW

hawkeye — November 10, 2012 at 9:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Yes, Hawkeye. I am familiar with this blog. You will note that there is a gap between 11-7 and today, 11-10. HOWEVER: others have seemed to indicate that Lew’s (disgusting) comments have been ongoing. I am asking where these ongoing comments are. They are certainly not in the website that you have referenced. That is my point.

So just where are these comments by Lew Waters that have been referenced by others?

kn_dalai — November 10, 2012 at 10:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey everyone. I know I have been lacking in recent weeks. Unforrtunately I have been up to my eyeballs with a number of tasks, all of which seem to be a priority. Many are in preparation of my return to the US (finally). But today I have selfishly chosen to sweep everything aside, reorganize, prioritize, and begin execution again tomorrow. Part of this is to take time and reset my own mind, clear out some cobwebs, and relax so I can reassert.

While I did not take the time to thoroughly read through every post this week, I glanced through a few. I would like to throw my two cents in (all I can afford right now) on election results.

So the American people have spoken. We will have four more years of the current President. Democrats reinforce themselves in the Senate. Republicans hold the House. Now is the fun part.

I ask for everyone reading this to write a few letters. And tell everyone you know to write similar letters. Letters to the President, your Senators, and your local House rep. Encourage them to ask a single question of every piece of legislation that crosses them. The question is "Is this a benefit to ALL Americans, or just a few?" If it is only benefitting a few, then it should be rejected.

Too much in the past several years has been done only to benefit a few. Whether it is for the wealthy, or for the poor. The majority, us in betweeners, are left picking up the shortfalls.

These crazy loopholes and breaks that are given to the wealthy have got to stop. The freebies given out without some sort of control have got to stop. I know I have given my own definition of fair share before, and I will say again. All need to be giving their fair share. I, for one, am tired of having to contribute to make up the shortcomings from the two ends of the spectrum.

We need to stop the childish games in DC. Talk. Compromise. The only thing you need to use to determine your guidance in fulfilling the obligations you have been elected to is the US Constitution.

We are dying. The games of DC will just be a pulling of the plug. This patient can still be saved.

danabwoodley — November 11, 2012 at 1:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning kn. The comments I was referring to are actually in the comments below his posts. I can't repeat the one that really got me as it would get me banned here. Lew did post after the election, and I read a few comments. Here's where he attacks people who disagree.

I rarely go to that site but I was just curious as to what woudl be said. Learned my lesson.

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Danabwoodley @1:14am...well stated!

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Luvithere, some people don't know what it means to be a true Conservative.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


It's early and I did not yet have enough coffee, Goldie, but I don't quite understand your comment.You referring to Lew?

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"""Ain't gonna be a third bridge. Ain't gonna be a different design. Those advocating for these options missed their chance for their good ideas to be considered many years ago while my neighbors and I were dukeing it out for them early. We could have included their good ideas if we only had them."""

Manthou, it appears you have the mindset of "Too little, too late" to those of us who to this day stand against the current bridge design and all it's defects (including the one Hawkeye pointed out about the poorly planned end point at Fort Vancouver Way). The process isn't over yet. Till the US Coast Guard approves the design, it's still in the planning phase. Changes can still be made which would benefit the transition from Washington to Oregon. The problem has always been and will always be the region from Fremont Bridge, south to Capitol Highway.

The local dignitaries have recognized an aging bridge which wouldn't stand up to an earthquake of historic proportions and are utilizing that fact to scare people into thinking it'll just fall over in a typical PNW earthquake scenario which is a bunch of hogwash. We all know that if the BIG ONE hit, the last item on the agenda would be to worry about the bridge. What I have found while searching the web, the course of action would be to *coordinate mobilization, staging, deployment, and tracking of the vast amount of resources needed in such a catastrophic event* (as quoted in the Central United States Emergency Consortum PDF I'd located which is pretty much the same response for FEMA). The mobilization efforts would be recognizing the usable roadways and waterways. If the bridge had been crippled (which new construction would most likely acquire damage when it comes to a catastrophic earthquake), they'd see to it there would be another approach to the issue.

The first course of action wouldn't be to replace a bridge. It would be to coordinate efforts to rescue trapped citizens and provide aid, eliminate the risk of natural gas explosions and so on and so forth. As far as a bridge is concerned...most likely detours would be implemented to the nearest safe crossing...could be I-205, could be the ferry crossing near Clatskanie, could be Longview Bridge, could be Bridge of the Gods. Chances are...it wouldn't be a priority.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Sorry about that, Luvithere. It's not the lack of coffee...it's the generalized statement I"d made.

Let's just say, the description of *conservative* isn't what it once was. I'm not pointing any fingers towards any particular person...just an observation on my part from what I read lately on "conservative" blogs, media outlets and descriptive accounts by those labeling certain groups as "NEO Cons" or whatever else they're labeled these days. Maybe the TRUE-BLUE conservative folks should carry the moniker "traditional conservatives." (stated with a smile on my face)

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Gold,
yes, I have to agree with you there.Thanks for clarifying. The GOP needs to find its true face again.

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good Sunday morning all.

Dana B: Have to echo goldie's cheer of your early morning post. I hope our national legislators hear us.

goldie: Just know that my frustration is one that is reflected personally. My energy has been spent on this bridge and LR issue, as I have been in the ring with the CRC and our neighborhood association since 2004, as so many other downtown residents have. The idea that we would now be scrapping all the groundwork laid because new folks have been elected makes me a little crazier than I usually am. I'm cranky about it. Talk about wasting money. How is that gonna save any?

Speaking of newly elected in Clark County, kudos to the Columbian staff who summarized what we might be seeing locally here: http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/no...

Press Talk did a good job of this on Saturday, too.

I know we tend to focus nationally here, but locally it is very interesting. County employees are worried and maybe they should be. I see some positives to David Madore's presence in our local government. Reporters are going to have fun covering local politics and government in the next four years. It won't be snooze time for sure.

manthou — November 11, 2012 at 8:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie- Would you please describe what a "TRUE-BLUE" conservative is.

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DBW- *These crazy loopholes and breaks that are given to the wealthy have got to stop. The freebies given out without some sort of control have got to stop. I know I have given my own definition of fair share before, and I will say again. All need to be giving their fair share. I, for one, am tired of having to contribute to make up the shortcomings from the two ends of the spectrum.*

#$@&! Sounds like you want to spread the wealth!

Where's Joe the Plumber when the right needs him?

Answer: Another Republican heavyweight goes down with a whimper.

Joe the Plumber got his pipes tightened by incumbent Democrat Marcy Kaptur. She won Ohio’s newly formed 9th Congressional District with 73 percent of the vote. Readers may recall that Kaptur beat Dennis Kucinich in the 2012 Democratic primary. This new district merged Kaptur’s old Greater Toledo district and Kucinich’s old district of western Cuyahoga County including parts of Cleveland (1).

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13373759-ohio-an-analysis-of-the-november-2012-election

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere, are you saying that only Republicans are Conservatives??? I hope not, because that's not actually true.

Why limit yourself to just the GOP needing to find it's true face? In my opinion...our entire nation needs to find it's true face once again. We've become a nation which is truly unrecognizable...a nation of chaos and frustration...the wealthy versus the little people. We need to stop this obvious division of political views making our decisions if anything is going to be solved. Whatever happened to our government helping us all, not just a select group???

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Oops...let me rephrase that last sentence, here.

Whatever happened to our government working for all of us rather than just a select group???

There, I feel better now.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 8:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal


No, I thought you were referring to Republicans. As we were talking about Lew (at least I was). LOL. Early morning miscommunication. And yes, our government needs to work for all of us, not just a select few, couldn't agree more. Just not sure I will see it in my life time. We have lost the way.

But I am saying the republican party needs to find its way, period. A bit of soul searching as to what this country is made up of. There are a lot of fiscal conservatives who are liberal when it comes to so-called values. Time to understand that part of the voting population. Demographics have changed. I was referring to that.

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou...I give you the Gold Star of the day with your comment @8:34am. You my dear, have pointed out the very problem of this entire CRC event in your statement when you said *"My energy has been spent on this bridge and LR issue, as I have been in the ring with the CRC and our neighborhood association since 2004, as so many other downtown residents have. The idea that we would now be scrapping all the groundwork laid because new folks have been elected makes me a little crazier than I usually am."*

Do you not see the problem??? The people of the region of downtown were included but the people outside the city limits were not...folks such as myself. Yep...I'm one of them thar new folks who found out in mid 2006...TWO YEARS LATER!!! Pretty tricky of folks like Royce & Company tried to make it appear to be a downtown issue, even though folks such as myself who live outside the city will have to pay into the monstrosity as well...without the right to speak if they try to say it was too little, too late.

Sorry if I sound terse about this subject. It is quite a touchy subject...especially when you know the facts about this project and understand just why there's such a push by local leaders, past and present and why they try to change the facts to suit their needs, even though THREE votes against anything to do with light rail has failed in our county. They just don't know how to accept the word "NO" when it affects their agenda.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvit @ last night- I checked out Waters blog after your post. Just childish poorly written posts like he used to post here, except with a fouler mouth. I'm always taken back when Lou B gives Lew W attention. Republicans should be able to do better than this when they are personified in the local publication.

Lew puts a face to how the younger GOP operatives describe their own party.

A bunch of angry old white men.

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I would include angry white women also. :)

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A bunch of angry old white men.nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 8:49 a.m.
Yep, see my post on changing demographics. The party needs to take a hard look at that fact or they will truly become irrelevant one of these days. That might make me happy today, but in all honesty, I rather not have just one party calling the shots. I actually would prefer a few more than just the two main ones we have. Unfortunately, the system is set up to not allow this.

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I meant to say **angry** old white women. :)) More coffee!

A party of angry old white men and women. This demographic will and is taking care of itself through attrition. It's one reason the Republican party is currently coming apart at the seams.

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit, it's truly difficult nowadays to find the exact description for what I believe a Conservative is as traditional values are forever changing. I did however find a rather lengthy article about the "American Conservative Thought," with some numbered, interesting descriptions (1-4) on page 1 of the link:

http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=36&theme;=cotho

I also found this description which pretty much describes what I believe a Conservative (noun) is, according to Webster Online:

disposition in politics to preserve what is established

a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically - such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

Much to my disappointment though - when capitalized...Conservative does refer to a political party as is noted at the beginning of the definition, although to be one who lives a conservative lifestyle...it's hardly political.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I would describe a true blue conservative as...

def. tb conservative; a republican *without* a bong.

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldie @ 8:49 am: I really don't know how the public notices were distributed, but, if they were limited to only downtown residents as you allege, that would be a problem. The CRC published all meetings on their website for sure and did not turn any interested citizens away at the door from what I could tell.

I remember watching a clip of Jaime H-B getting a nasty public reaming out from Jerrold Nadler and Nina Taylor and Peter DeFazio in the House last year over her attempt to make light rail on the CRC a national issue. The CRC involves transportation flow between three countries, technically, so our little Clark County squabbles over bridge placement, design and tolls (that rightly seem so huge to us here) are peanuts to the big picture. Honestly, there has been so much unproductive bitching about it locally (I include myself among that honored crowd) that who knows what will happen in the end because the opinions and wishes of us local peons probably won't amount to squat in the end. Kind of depressing when you think about it too much. That should not keep us from advocating and writing those letters. For me, I just need a rest break to gather some strength. :)

manthou — November 11, 2012 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nailingit...you made me smile. Maybe a bit of a further explanation is warranted. In my description...when I say true blue...I mean "honest."

Secondly...

In my case...I believe a conservative is one who believes and holds to traditional values and is willing to compromise if they feel the actions aren't detrimental to society as a whole. I accept change, but not at the rate of feeling like I'm about to fall over a cliff (a fiscal cliff as we're witnessing the possibility...and the indications of how they are attempting to avoid the fiscal cliff). I believe diversity in government is necessary but I also believe that refusing to make a change or to incorporate a new law just because of the political party one supports says to refuse...is absolutely wrong.

So with this in mind...am I a conservative?

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Or nailingit...maybe I should ask you this. From what you have just read in my comment @9:24 am...am I one who fits the description of what you think a conservative is??? Just curious.

Manthou...it is a federal issue, not a local issue. The Feds have already deemed the CRC segment as a vital change needed for the Corridor of the Future, but in order for the locals to acquire federal funding for the project, the locals must have approval by the people. It is all too obvious they don't and I believe the local leadership and the CRC will lose the chance at that federal funding if they don't change the design and incorporate a future right of way on the bridge for the potential of light rail IF the need arises. The price tag would be much lower and there would be less burden on the local people. As it stands now, they're more interested in a new approach as to why three times, the voters have said no to any funding for a light rail system in our county rather than coming up with PLAN B in the manner of a different design.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Also manthou...for anyone to say light rail is the only preferred alternative...any of us who are informed on the CRC project know all too well that it is not true. It's the only preferred alternative wanted by our local leaders and those who have special interests in light rail.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I am so proud to live in WA state and Patty Murray is just one of the good reasons.

You go, girl:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/patty-murray-if-gop-refuses-all-tax-hikes

manthou — November 11, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


So with this in mind...am I a conservative?

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal | Ignore User )

Maybe

Or nailingit...maybe I should ask you this. From what you have just read in my comment @9:24 am...am I one who fits the description of what you think a conservative is??? Just curious.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.

I don't know.

It seems as though the one thing changing in our political world is the def. of conservatism.

The two Graham crackers negated religious conviction as a strong point. Conservatives choice for a Prez candidate varied, but all espoused tax entitlements/welfare for the wealthy while endorsing cuts in programs designed to help the poor. RW Legislation country wide sought to limit a woman's choice over her own body, then the same people espouse personal freedom and liberty. This same party cites our founding fathers for inspiration, then does everything in it's power to squelch the very basic right for minorities to vote.

It's hard to say what a true blue conservative is nowadays. But when the local loudest voices espouse the trash that was mentioned earlier and gets rewarded with print time from the local paper it makes me wonder.

But then I realize what must be the motive.

People love a train wreck.

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou @ 10:30- I am so proud to live in WA state and Patty Murray is just one of the good reasons.

You go, girl:

Right on & Ditto! Stay strong Patty!

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 11:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — November 11, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.

Well if you haven't read John's article this morning, we have been saved!!! Apparently Madore is going to personally talk to everyone involved just as soon as he finds out WHO they are.

KMN

hawkeye — November 11, 2012 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawk: and then he will wave his magic wand and make it all go away. LOLOLOL

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Why is it when a right wing golden boy can't keep their pants zipped it's couched as "human frailty" by the media.

When someone on the left gets caught they are a pervert undeserving of life.

What a huge embarrassment Patraeus turned out to be. At least he waited till after the election not allowing his personal shortcomings to affect a presidential race.

I guess the talk of a Patraeus presidential run in 2016 will be silenced. Who then? Rick Sanitorium?

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 11:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


About Madore. A revealing pic. The eyes...THE EYES! I knew it!

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


*"It seems as though the one thing changing in our political world is the def. of conservatism."*

Nailingit...I believe we both are in total agreement with this comment! A sign of the times, perhaps???

..

lolol...hawkeye and luvithere, you crack me up with your comments at 11:20 and 11:40 am respectively. You have to admit, the guy has outstanding politeness when he speaks. He's quiet and respectable. I only wish that's what it took for things to get done in government...something where politeness and respect have all but gone down the tube. I honestly hope he never loses those qualities. It's a shame when anybody forgets to be respectable and polite nowadays.

I think David will find the people he needs to talk to...IF they'll agree or have the patience to listen to him. Now that he's in an elected position starting in January, maybe they'll have no choice but to listen.

I'm not sure of what he could possibly accomplish on his own, outside of hiring Tiffany Couch to do an independent study...the same woman who found discrepancies in the cost of the CRC thus far...but maybe he's got something up his sleeve...that trump card nobody else has realized thus far. Who knows???

Only time and actions will tell.

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at noon ( | suggest removal


Hey, Hawkeye: I am trying so hard to be open-minded about David Madore. I really, really, REALLY (did I mention really) dislike his political/religious leanings. But...

When I have met him, he is always soft-spoken, polite and respectful. He appears to be a good listener. (I compare that to some of his running buddies, who shout and demean others at every available opportunity). He built a successful business based on some good skills and ideas he must possess. He is trying to give back to his community when most are content to sit on the sidelines and complain.

If he plans to talk to the CRC powers-that-be, he will do so in a way that will be easy for them to hear what he has to say.

I want to find something positive amid my fears he is gonna find a way to gut my only hope of crossing the Columbia river before 2020 in under four hours (a task that should take less than 15 minutes from my doorstep).

manthou — November 11, 2012 at 2:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Take the quiz. Upper left hand corner.

[http://www.lp.org/][1]

When you're finished, be sure to look at the brief descriptions of the differing political philosophies.

[1]: http://www.lp.org/

kn_dalai — November 11, 2012 at 3:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hey folks!!! I want to take a moment away from the usual hub bub of the daily musings of the forum to honor and remember those who have had the courage, the strength, the dedication...to uphold the freedom of our nation whether it be during times of war or times of peace...

I salute our nation's Veterans and I thank you for your service.

And to those of you who are currently stationed somewhere in the world or even here on US soil...my sincere thanks go out to you as well!

goldenoldie — November 11, 2012 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — November 11, 2012 at 3:06 p.m

I scored (and I knew I would) a "Centrist". Oh course the questions are a little weighted since it is on a Libertarian web site.

hawkeye — November 11, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — November 11, 2012 at 2:59 p.m

I've been critical of Madore since the first time I had a conversation with him. He used trickery and wasn't up front with his motives. This was long before he was running for Port Commissioner. I really wanted to like the guy but he gives me the creeps (gut feeling). Something like a slimy used car salesman. You know like when you ask how many miles are on the car and they tell you "what's on the odometer is XXXXX". For me, trust is high on my list and so far he hasn't measured up. That and I was always taught not to trust anyone that smiles ALL the time.

hawkeye — November 11, 2012 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hm, Hawk, your feelings mirror mine - both for Madore and Romney. A year ago I thought Romney was a moderate I could live with IF need be, but as time passed on, that was no longer an option. The used car sales man (of Ferraris, of course)just does not do it. I have the same feeling about Madore.

Madore tried hard to buy the elections over here in East County and get his chosen people in. He succeeded only partially. I have no idea what he stands for and what he wants to accomplish except stop the CRC and get rid of biz regulations so his own biz can fare even better. And as a lowly county commish, well, he has no say. Unfortunately, that is and will be decided at a much higher level. Reminds me of the Vancouver mayor and his no tolls election victory. And look what happened there the next day.

luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — November 11, 2012 at 3:48 p.m

I think the better part of that quiz page is the concise definitions.

In purest form: Leftists are libertarian on social issues but authoritarian on economic issues, while Rightists are just the opposite.

kn_dalai — November 11, 2012 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere — November 11, 2012 at 4:18 p.m

Up until a few months before the election, David would come and argue with me and others on the other side. That was before he spent thousands of dollars on a "campaign adviser" in California that told him not to do it anymore (I'm assuming) because it was making him look bad. I suspect he won't come back and discuss anything without help, he doesn't usually fare well. When someone got the best of him, he would answer with something like "Bless You" or "Be Well" or something smug. I wonder how that will work for him when he's being questioned as a Commissioner?

hawkeye — November 11, 2012 at 4:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**Why Did the Republicans Win the House?**

I recently overheard the following conversation:

X: "Obama won a solid victory. The people have made their views clear. They stand with the Democratic Party."

Y: "Not so fast. Remember that the Republicans won a big margin in the House of Representatives. It's really a split-decision."

This is interesting. How could the Republicans have won 55 percent of the House seats at the same time that Mitt Romney received only 48 percent of the popular vote? Did that many people split their vote? It turns out the answer is "no."

Although the Republicans won 55 percent of the House seats, they received less than half of the votes for members of the House of Representatives. Indeed, more than half-a-million more Americans voted for Democratic House candidates than for Republicans House candidates. There was no split-decision. The Democrats won both the presidential election and the House election. But the Republicans won 55 percent of the seats in the House. This seems crazy. How could this be?

This answer lies in the 2010 election, in which Republicans won control of a substantial majority of state governments. They then used that power to re-draw congressional district lines in such a way as to maximize the Republican outcome in the 2012 House election.

To give a simple example, imagine four neighboring congressional districts, two of which are 60 percent Democratic and two of which are 60 percent Republican. One would expect that each party would win two seats in the House. But if the Republican state legislature re-draws the district lines so as to make one district 100 percent Democratic, and the other three districts each 67 percent Republican, then instead of each party winning two representatives, the Republicans will win in three of the four districts.

It was by engaging in such "partisan gerrymandering" that the Republican Party was able to turn a Republican defeat in terms of the national popular vote for members of the House into a significant Republican "victory" in terms of the number of Republicans elected. In Pennsylvania, for example, although citizens cast almost 100,000 more votes for Democratic than Republican candidates for the House, partisan gerrymandering enabled Republicans to 12 of the 18 seats in the House of Representatives.

Thus, that the Republicans will control the House for the next two years tells us nothing about how the American people voted on Tuesday, and a lot about how the Republican Party misused its political power in the state legislatures to manipulate the election and frustrate the will of the people.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/why-did-the-republicans-w_b_2110673.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What Republican leader will become the next Grand Old Party figurehead? Herman Cain? Michele Bachman? Jim DeMint? Ted Nugent? Donald Trump?

Sarah?

The Republican party is going through *another* identity crisis. Oh the drama!

**Media fight on the right over GOP**

The very public argument under way — after all, the players have media platforms that give them a megaphone for their views — has significant implications for the future of the GOP. The right has a deep, diverse, and highly influential bench of opinion makers, and its pundits are moving to expand their influence in a sphere suffering from a lack of political leadership from its elected officials and organizational figures.

“There are no Republican party leaders,” John Podhoretz, the conservative New York Post columnist and editor of Commentary magazine, told POLITICO. “Leaders are self-appointed now.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83679_Page2.html#ixzz2Bz2mVIe7

nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 9:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“There are no Republican party leaders,” John Podhoretz, the conservative New York Post columnist and editor of Commentary magazine, told POLITICO. “Leaders are self-appointed now.”

ANYBODY? ANYBODY? HELLO? ANYBODY????

hawkeye — November 11, 2012 at 10:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


**KN_**

don't know which filing folder i go in, but i dont think i'm rare. i'd venture to postulate i'm legion, actually.

one, i want a government that **treasures the consitution**. we are *THE* country everybody else wants to be. i not only expect, but **demand** a politician who views this document as sacroscant. ANY attempt to degrade or 'reinterpret' it is treason.

i want people making laws who have actually READ the constituton, knows the turmoil it took to forge a consensus, and **WHY** things are the way they are.

i want someone who values our military as the asset it is: the best this country can produce, trained to be the world's most lethal enemy to those who 'pray' for our destruction.

i want to know our state department isn't run on the neville chamberlain theory of international relations.

i want to know that i can *believe* what i read in the newspaper, REGARDLESS of who prints it. I am soooOOOOOOOoooooooooo discouraged and tired having to verify the veracity of every....single....pro-obama anti-repub article i come across.

***FOURTH ESTATE, WHERE ARE YOU?? AT THE TIME YOU'RE NEEDED MOST, YOU'RE AWOL.***

i want to concentrate on what matters to me locally; the train from hell, the jobs vs. dust of coal transport, where and when can we fish for salmon and trout?

but no. this era rquires me to again be a soldier in the all-american war for the continuation of our country.

i'm tired. i'm old. i'm disabled. but i'm still committed to upholding my oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies both foreign **and domestic**

and yeah, i'm scared as hell at whats about to happen to the country. prepared yes, but still with clear vision.

DeeLittle — November 12, 2012 at 12:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle...

I stand beside you!!!

goldenoldie — November 12, 2012 at 6:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


DeeLittle,

My Sentiments Exactly!

ELISI — November 12, 2012 at 6:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal


:))

nailingit — November 12, 2012 at 7 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — November 11, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.

I am afraid I have to disagree with your assessment. To support this disagreement:

William Jefferson Clinton

danabwoodley — November 12, 2012 at 10:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Danab...your comment @10:45 pm???

Succinct...on the mark...and hilarious!!! Glad I didn't have a sip of coffee before reading your comment. (laughing on that one)

goldenoldie — November 13, 2012 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


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