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danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.

"My question for you is, do we lift the prohibition on marijuana only, or on all currently illegal substances? The cartels make their money on more than just the marijuana."

Yep. Even meth and heroin. Before you go freaking out I'd suggest you do some research on the subject. Portugal would be a good place to start. Then, maybe, take a look at England's heroin maintenance program.

Drug abuse is a social/health issue and should be treated as such. The U.S. makes up about 5% of the world's population. Of all the incarcerated people in the world we are housing 25% of them. And yet, our desire for illegal drugs is a huge driving force in the black-marketing of.

danabwoodley — October 7, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.

"If you truly believe that the cartels activities are not a serious threat to us, then I say you delude yourself."

I didn't say or insinuate any such thing, db. What I implied was, as long as piles of money can be made from peddling illegal drugs at hugely inflated prices someone out there will be in that business.

As I said, the way to hurt those in the business is to spoil the profits. Heroin cost pennies to manufacture, yet it's street value (by weight) is more than gold. By the way, db, Afghanistan produces about 87% of the worlds supply, not Mexico. Colombia is the leading producer of cocaine, not Mexico.

I would suggest, db, if you have any interest in the subject you do a bit of research. "Nuke 'em from orbit," just aint gonna cut it.

Drift — October 8, 2012 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney is giving a foreign policy speech trying to sound tough and diminish our president. Totally a neo-conservative war mongering nation building more troops overseas message. Mitt is pounding another nail into his political coffin.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Interesting to watch pundits form arguments in the speech's immediate aftermath. Per usual Romney non specifics, but he implied he'd stay in Iraq and war talked about Iran. Sounds like he would build a non-penetrable bubble around Israel and make everything else a parking lot and provide US troop security. American imperialism. Ya gotta love it.

Romney has the look of a hungry dog. He's hanging himself with this .. new confidence he's acquired since the debate. He's spouting BS with a new intensity while sill lacking clarity.

Pride goeth before a fall. Does death have meaning when meaning is lost?

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The former Massachusetts governor also said he would act more forcefully to encourage popular uprisings in Syria and Egypt. Romney said he would "identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values" in Syria, and arm them. In Egypt, Romney said he would try to influence that government's development to support democracy and their peace treaty with Israel.

I wonder if Romney knows who was elected president in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood candidate. Before he jumps in with both mouths, maybe he should consider it's very possible some wild, major push for democracy (intervention) in these areas might yield some sticky results. Remember how Bush I(?) was all about free elections in Palestine until Arafat won? Oops. What happens, Mitt, when the people elected into power aren't real happy with the US having backed the previous dictator for decades? Apparently the past decade of military debacles in this region hasn't taught you a thing.

mrd — October 8, 2012 at 9:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift- I wish society/media would have this debate, on not only legalizing pot but other drugs as well. Let the medical community treat drug use from a medical standpoint instead of the system treating it as criminal. A lot of kinks to be worked out in any scenario. i.e. sales/distribution to minors. The billions saved from a system that isn't working could be used for education and programs. The US could invest and create the best R&D; and rehab programs in the world if we wanted to.

Also understanding that drug use can be tolerated our society. Someone dependent on chemicals can be a contributing member of society as anyone else, as long as dependency, as with many other things in life, doesn't become problematic. My opinion anyway.

Many absurd drug laws exist today because of the conservative demonization of drug use. Conservative judges ruling over a conservative court ingrained with drug use as being inherently evil.

Many on the right want this drug war based on self perceived righteousness. To eradicate this "evil". Much as with the abortion debate, problem solving takes a back to to religious based idealism.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The bird sings in the forrest, does it seek to be admired for it's song?

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 10 a.m.

There you go laying false blame on the conservatives again. You should review the case of gonzales v. raich, it is the liberals that believe that federal marijuana prohibition is constitutional and the conservatives that do not. Just ignore the facts including that the Obama administration raided more medical marijuana facilities in one day than the Bush administration did in four years.

Stop blaming conservatives and start demanding reform from democrats.

frobert — October 8, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert- One can always cite a case for a talking point, regardless of time, relevance or viewpoint. I was speaking to one of the root causes for failed policy/action, regardless of who continues them. A resolved religious right view demonizing drug use adversely affecting our court system is undeniable. Much blame to around. Of course I was bias in targeting conservatives. It's what I do. :))

The conservative underbelly in American politics has become way over bloated the last few years. Time for surgery this November, to include a gastric bypass for the House and lap band surgery in the Senate, it's necessary in order to stem the flow of current republican/conservative obstructionism.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

According to a new report in The Washington Post, the median net worth of the current Congress rose 5% during the recession while it fell 39% for the average American. The wealthiest one-third of lawmakers saw their net worth rise 14%.

The Washington Post disclosed these statistics in a recent story on the wealth gap between Congressional members and the American public.

"These are supposed to be our representatives," says The Daily Ticker's Aaron Task. "If they're not living the same lives or understanding the lives that the average American is living, how can they really represent our interests?"

The Post analyzed the financial disclosure forms and public records for all Congressional members from 2004 to 2010. Some key findings of the report are:

By 2010, the median estimated wealth for members of the House of Representatives was $746,000; for senators it was $2.6 million.
There was virtually no difference between the wealth of Republicans and Democrats in 2010. Just six years earlier, the net worth of Republicans was 44% higher than the net worth of Democrats.
28% of Congress, or 150 members, reported earning more income from outside jobs and investments than from their Congressional salary of $174,000.
27% of Congressional members saw a decline in their net worth between 2004 and 2010.

Lawmakers acquired their wealth in a variety of ways but real estate, institutional funds and the wealth of their spouses were the top three sources.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi increased her wealth by an estimated $60 million between 2004 and 2010. The gains primarily came from the commercial real estate holdings of her husband, according to The Post. Representative Darrell Issa made his reported $448 million in commercial real estate as well as other financial investments.

Related: America Has Now Become an Aristocracy of Elites: Chris Hayes

"We have this huge disparity that's only getting worse in terms of inequality in this country," says The Daily Ticker's Henry Blodget. "If it continues, the country will begin to break apart and get more and more antagonistic class warfare. It's something we have got to solve not only in Congress but in the American public at large."

Related: Income Inequality is America's Biggest Challenge: United Nations Economist

Is Congress pursuing policies that benefit middle and lower income Americans? The Washington Post found that 73 lawmakers sponsored or co-sponsored legislation that could benefit businesses or industries that involved those Congressional members or their families.

"It's just outrageous that our legislators could be profiting directly from the legislation that they're making," says Aaron Task.

hawkeye — October 8, 2012 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The President not only needs to take on Romney next debate, he needs to frame the conversation in the larger text of the Republican party. What it stands for today to include citing legislation passed in conservative controlled state houses with regards to health care, women's rights, abortion etc. Remind voters of the negatives when Romney was Gov., to include reducing Massachusetts to #47 in the country regarding job growth. Drive home what Bain vulture capitalism mixed with Republican austerity plans would do to the middle class, job creation and local governments. This is the guy that preached we have too many teachers and first responders on the public dole. Call out the Romney lies concerning his health care & economic policies he touted last debate. Relentlessly use Romney's own words and lack of clarity to tie him up and cause him to commit to an answer.

Obama needs to grow some and nail some 3 pointers next debate. Romney acts an idiot when really challenged.

Romney will choke on his own words if Obama will only set the table.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*Should not the winged bird fly again?*

**States Deny Millions Of Ex-Felons Voting Rights**

Voting rights advocates say that laws that disenfranchise felons go hand-in-hand with such voter ID laws, which Democrats and opponents say are specifically designed to target likely Democratic voters, including the poor, minorities, college students and the elderly.

"This is a concerted effort," said Rep. Alcee Hastings, a Florida Democrat.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) recently reversed course on a policy enacted by his predecessor that expanded voting rights for felons, while the state simultaneously introduced some of the most restrictive voting policies in the country, including massive voter purges of suspected non-citizens, the elimination of early voting and limitations on third-party voter registration groups.

"In at least 34 states there are serious efforts to suppress voter turnout," said Hastings, who particularly noted battleground states like Florida and North Carolina.

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nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye @ 11:28,

A book that came out last year discussing this topic - Congressional members of both parties have made money on the market using knowledge that would get them tossed into prison for insider trading if they weren't protected by the usual "above the law" exemptions they grant themselves.

roger — October 8, 2012 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If you haven't seen the Stewart-O'Reilly "debate" and are interested - link is here.

roger — October 8, 2012 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Who's bringing the Hell to Danville, Merciless Joe or Ayn Ryan Rand? Thursday @ 6:00

**Obama Needs The Merciless Joe: Countdown Day 29**

WASHINGTON -- It's almost Biden Time, a more urgent campaign moment than he or anyone else could have imagined a few days ago.

After a political career that has lasted 42 years so far, the genial vice president and former senator faces the most critical task of his electoral life: helping his boss dig out of the avalanche that buried him in Denver.

At 69 years of age and heading towards the twilight of his time on the stage, Joe Biden on Thursday will confront Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who has been on Earth only six years longer (42) than the number of years Biden served as a U.S. senator from Delaware (36).

Simply put, the Obama-Biden team can't afford another weak, confused and defensive performance against the Republican ticket after the one the president turned in Wednesday in the West.

And further, Biden needs to do to Mitt Romney (and only incidentally to Ryan) what he did to Judge Robert Bork in 1987 when Bork was nominated for the U.S. Supreme Court.

The smiling Biden attacked with ruthless efficiency and, aided by a famous floor speech by the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, he defeated President Ronald Reagan's nominee. It was ugly, but Biden won.

If former Romney was lying, shading the truth and changing positions (yet again) during the first debate -- which Democrats and neutral fact checkers say he was -- then Biden must begin holding the GOP to account in ways that President Barack Obama was unprepared, unwilling or unable to do.

That means that Biden not only has to take on Ryan, but more crucially, if by proxy, Romney.

He has to: rebut Romney's unanswered attacks, such as the notion that federal job-training programs are wastefully duplicative; call Romney out for his brazen effort to sound like a bipartisan moderate, after a year of industrial-strength sucking up to the Tea Party; tout accomplishments of the Obama-Biden administration in ways the president mysteriously failed to do; and better explain to voters why the next four years would be better in Democratic hands than they would be under the GOP.

Is Biden up to it?

No one knows what will happen Thursday, but in theory, yes.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Arkansas candidate advocates for killing children who are "disrespectful":

Just saying'

manthou — October 8, 2012 at 1:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — October 8, 2012 at 1:55 p.m

It's so stupid, it's funny. At least we know that you have to "follow proper procedure" in order to kill your bad acting children.

hawkeye — October 8, 2012 at 2:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — October 8, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.,

Wish I'd known this 35 years ago - would have made parenting a lot easier.

roger — October 8, 2012 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Not sure what Newsweek is up to with running this article - seems like they're possibly trying to generate a conversation to push Pres Obama - I don't know whether to support Israel or to exert our own power to get Netanyahu to back off.

Either way, this is an interesting assessment of what could happen.

roger — October 8, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 3:51- Interesting article, but fails to mention the influence of Russia & China shaping our involvement. Something to consider, would a Romney administration be reluctant to be hard line with China considering Mitt's healthy Chinese financial investments? Could the thought of possible personal monetary loss influence Romney's decision making?

Someday, if not already, Iran will have nuke capability. It's the way it is. Although unpopular with Israel, perhaps we should shape foreign policy in the region with that in mind. Many in Israel aren't beating these cowboy war drums, but rather would enjoy seeing their current leader drummed out.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Latest Pew poll shows Romney up on Obama 49/45. Wasn't Carter leading a month before the election? Some other D was leading also at the later stages, I just don't remember who, Kerry? Gonna be close, much closer than it should be which is, I think, a reflection of the economy's non-performance 4 years into this administration.

After the first go-around in the debate, I wonder if Obama cares? It is a crummy job, not for an idealist nor an intellectual. It's dirty politics, pure and simple-kill or get killed, tell 'em what they want to hear and do the opposite. If the heat rises, have your spin doctors work on damage control.

Wanna really help people? Try Habitat for Humanity, Legal Aid, or such. US President-not so much. The prez himself must succumb to the monied interests, unless he wants to be a one and done.

mrd — October 8, 2012 at 5:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

More film for Biden. Study the replays Joe. Ryan's skin is as thin as his policy details.

**Paul Ryan Abruptly Ends Interview After 'Strange' Question (VIDEO)**

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 5:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone else troubled about Donald Rumsfeld applauding Romney's foreign policy speech today? That should make us all shudder. The left needs to play this up. People need to wake up to not only who Team Romney is, which is more than disturbing, but ghosts from the past who support them.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — October 8, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.

Obama needs to start paying attention to his civil liberties promises, they got him elected in the first place and now he has abandoned them. He still has time to implement some change before election, promises won't help, because we heard them four years ago.

frobert — October 8, 2012 at 6:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.

RE: Russia and China. I don't know, but think there's an understanding of sorts. They accept our support of Israel, and stay out of our business with Iran (and possibly even North Korea). We/China ignore Russia's handling of problems with Chechnya, Georgia, and Armenia. We/Russia ignore China's problems with Tibet and Vietnam. But I doubt this would hold if we were to invade Iran, any more than I doubt we'd sit idly if China invaded Vietnam (the annexation of a disputed city and island we'll ignore).

As long as the Supreme Leader and the Council of Guardians rule Iran, we will never accept them having nuclear capability for other than peaceful reasons. China and Russia appear in agreement; they've both actively supported IAEA efforts to closely monitor and curtail Iran's activities with uranium enrichment to levels even close to weapons grade use. And both CIA and Mossad are - shall we say - actively interested.

roger — October 8, 2012 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.

Rumsfeld has also made it clear in the recent past that he is happy with Obama's foreign policy.

frobert — October 8, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert @ 7:30- Please provide examples of this. I'm reading differently.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Informative segment on 60 minutes. Does Romney have a soul?

**Huawei, Controversial Chinese Tech Firm That Once Partnered With Bain Capital, Slammed By GOP**

WASHINGTON -- The House intelligence committee on Monday will release a damning investigation into the Chinese telecom firm Huawei Technologies, according to a "60 Minutes" investigation that aired Sunday night.

A principal aim of the two-track media and political onslaught is to warn U.S. companies not to do business with Huawei, arguing that its close relationship with the Chinese government creates unacceptable security risks.

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the Republican chairman of the panel, delivered that warning bluntly. "If I were an American company today -- and I'll tell you this as the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence -- and you are looking at Huawei, I would find another vendor if you care about your intellectual property, if you care about your consumers' privacy, and you care about the national security of the United States of America," Rogers told "60 Minutes."

One U.S. company that could've benefited from Rogers' warning is Bain Capital, the private equity giant founded by Mitt Romney, which still pays the GOP presidential nominee millions each year. Romney has made his promise to "get tough" on China a central element of his economic message, though the company he started has made it easier for China to get tough on its own citizens.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 9:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I predict ... that Sandusky will not do well in prison, that Romney will lose, and we get rain on Friday. That should cover it.

As much as politics are important, it should be pointed out most people vote with their pocket books. If you are stagnate in your cash flow you're going to vote for the one who says they will stay out of your pockets. It really doesn't matter what their stance is on foreign policy.

As long as they promise a turkey in every pot (sorry about the butcher job) most of the voters out there will vote for that person no matter what else they say.

My daughter ask who I was going to vote for. I am still up in the air about it. She then said something I found to be both funny and profound. She wants to be paid for her vote. We pay the politician to just run by contributions to their party. Why not pay for our votes? Then she started to laugh.

I'm afraid she inherited my very poor sense of humor.

JohnCasey — October 9, 2012 at 4:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone else troubled about Donald Rumsfeld applauding Romney's foreign policy speech today?

Rumsfeld has also made it clear in the recent past that he is happy with Obama's foreign policy.

If both statements are true, there can be little difference between their foreign policies.

mrd — October 9, 2012 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

from conservative wiseman David Frum: When people claim that Islam is the largest growing religion, they are wrong.

In fact, the largest growing religion is those who disavow any religious affiliation. David Frum predicts that this trend will have significant impact on politics in the future:


manthou — October 9, 2012 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.

frobert — October 9, 2012 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — October 9, 2012 at 7:28 a.m.

The only difference between Obama and Romney is the letter that follows their name. They are both NeoCons, and believe in a pro war big government policy.

frobert — October 9, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"If you think back to the industrial revolution, we had sweat shops and we did away with them because we realized that piecework was inhumane. But that's what we're doing to our doctors and our nurses today. It's piecework," he said. "They're getting rewarded for the more they do. If you give children a dollar for every pinecone they pick up, they'll pick up a lot of pinecones. If you give an interventional cardiologist hundreds of dollars for every stent that he or she puts in, they will do a lot of stents. Doctors need to be paid a salary rather than piecework."

nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Rumsfeld has also made it clear in the recent past that he is happy with Obama's foreign policy.

frobert — October 8, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.

nailingit — October 8, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.

frobert — October 9, 2012 at 7:56 a.m.

Seriously? Because Rummy lauded the killing of Bin Laden it makes it clear that he is happy with Obama's foreign policy? :))

In many ways Rummy might be happy with the Obama war effort, I wouldn't find it surprising if he was, but I'm not finding it in print. Your citing of a Rummy reaction to Bin Laden's death and equating it to him being happy with Obama's foreign policy is more than a stretch. It's ridiculous.

Nothing personal frobert, but this line of reasoning, this train of thought, this inability for many conservatives to follow a sound track of reasoning in order to draw a rational conclusion, is in part the cause of breakdown within our political system.

Given precedent, I find any opinion Rummy offers is bad for our country. To include his later diminishing/damning of the Obama admin with regards to the capture and kill of Bin Laden.

nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Pay attention Joe!

**Paul Ryan’s thin skin**

*Running with Mitt Romney has introduced him to something he's not very comfortable with: Follow-up questions*

When he first joined the GOP ticket, for instance, Ryan sat for what everyone assumed would be a friendly interview with Fox News’ Brit Hume, who asked him about the long amount of time – not until 2040 – that it would take his fiscal blueprint to produce a balanced budget. Ryan replied that he wasn’t running on his budget plan – he was running on Romney’s. OK, Hume replied, well how long will it take Romney’s plan to bring about a balanced budget.

“I don’t know exactly when it balances,” Ryan conceded, “because we have – I don’t want to get wonky on you, but we have to run the numbers on that specific plan.”

More recently, there was Ryan’s sit-down with Fox’s Chris Wallace, who quizzed him about the Romney tax plan’s lack of specificity. Romney proposes a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut and insists he’ll make it deficit neutral by closing loopholes and deductions, but he hasn’t specified which ones. Wallace challenged Ryan to explain how the math would work.

“Well, I don’t have the time,” Ryan replied. “It would take me too long to go through all the math.”

That answer won Ryan no shortage of ridicule. It points to the steep learning curve he’s faced since being tapped as Romney’s No. 2. As a congressman, Ryan has been unusually visible, but the press coverage he’s received has tended to be rather fawning – reporters, columnists and television hosts giving him a chance to outline his plan and the hailing him as the rare adult in DC who’s willing to produce serious ideas.

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nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.

That ad just highlights the desperation of the Obama campaign.

frobert — October 9, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Obama is no different and maybe worse than most presidents taking special intest money. Remember after all he is from Oh Hi O...
Nail- It looks like you want Biden to take on Romney instead of Ryan... I guess if ya can't debate the man yourself let someone else take him on. The only problem is Biden is like Elmer Fudd:: I say there whatya got, because I ain't got nutten... Unless I got dat der TelePrompTer...Ryan will chew up and spit out Biden IMHO.. Would you really like Biden as president if something happened to Obama???
Latest news on Michigan plant laying off and furloughing employees...This plant opened with Obama getting into the Chevy Volt, all this and not a single battery has been shipped.... (Reuters)
Obama has put Billions I tell ya Billions into the Electric car business to stimulate it, there still is a huge lack of demand.. In addition now these vehicles aren’t any greener than the gas guzzling SUV some drive.Oh and the 1% are the ones that mostly drive these vehicles cuz they cost so darn much...
So I wonder where Romney can go with his next debate.. Pretty easy, it's anywhere he wants because Obama doesn't know anything about the economy nor can he speak the job creation language...the latest job figures also pointed out that more people were not counted against the UE rate because they've quit looking...
If you can't do it with a focused effort with the full control of the house, senate and Presidency, you won't get anything done the next four years with no plan except to divde or country even more...

vanwadreamer — October 9, 2012 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Well there ya go. A Fox news info voter speaks out. Amazing how the right is latching on to this one small victory for the Romney camp. Let's hope substance will outweigh style in viewers minds next debate.

frobert @ 10:48- Really?

nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

No doubt Fox will offer jack his own show. Cavuto must be shaking in his boots about now.

**Thin-Skinned CEO Superstar Jack Welch Quits Fortune, Reuters After His Demented BLS Tweet Gets Criticized**

Welch apparently ended up at odds with various journalistic institutions that placed a higher premium on providing readers with objectively rational information about the economy, as opposed to flattering an old executive who sows derangement on the Internet. According to Gandel, Welch did not take kindly to a CNN Money piece that criticized Welch's original tweet, and was further angered by a Fortune piece, "detailing Welch's record as a job destroyer."

Gandel goes on to report that after these stories were published, "Welch sent an e-mail to Reuters' Steve Adler and [Fortune managing editor Andy] Serwer saying that he and his wife Suzy, who have jointly written for Reuters and Fortune in the past, were 'terminating our contract' and will no longer be sending our 'material to Fortune.'"

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nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I do agree with you about the substance... It would be nice to see more of what our R candidate is proposing to help clearify us "Voters" who need help...What one samll victory do you speak of>> the debate... If you even remotely thought Obama held his own or looked informed or educated on the topics, you must have been watching the Huff Post Romney VS Obama debate.. LMFAO......The President gave 18 tax breaks to us small business folks, really.. What a crock of BULL Shiz nit....Still laughing on that one...

vanwadreamer — October 9, 2012 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Romney even shed a tear today. Isn't that special. Haven't these people been paying attention? My God if a mediocre debate swayed this many we're in trouble. I forget how many idiots voted for Bush... twice, cause he was "folksy". Where's this actual polling data mined, Salt Lake? What the hell!

Wake up people!

Instead of voters producing ID, how about providing certification you're not a complete idiot before you vote. My God. What about a voting litmus test that requires basic knowledge of the world around us. Pay attention people.

Wake up Obama!

*Mitt Romney Favorability Reaches New High In Poll*

nailingit — October 9, 2012 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So if you 'hang' a chair from a tree it is considered racism. No matter what the people who did it were thinking.

If this had happened before the GOP convention it would have had no impact. Just because Clint talked to an empty chair it's now is considered racism to suspend one from a tree.

Lets break this down. The chair is a white piece of plastic. It's missing a leg. It was put up to prevent theft. There was no rope made to look like a hangman's noose. In fact there were two ropes if I remember right.

I think some people are reaching with this. I don't think all people think it was meant to be a racist statement so much as a symbol representing the emptiness of the office by the current president.

Don't read more into it and make a problem out of this.

This is not some rambling statement from me. I grew up in the northeast section of Portland. I witnessed the burning of Union Avenue (MLK). My neighborhood was very diverse with all religions and ethnicity being represented. I am white but most of my friends and playmates were of all colors. My grade school was Holiday. It was where some of the Lloyd Center is now. This was considered the poor part of Portland. Our parents went to great lengths to make sure, no matter what 'color' we were, to get along. Kinda like that village thing.

Now some of you may think that because I'm white I don't understand. How about this. Because there were black kids who made it a duty to beat up any other kid I got a lesson in reverse racism. So did some of my classmates. Turns out it was just some bullies trying to set up a playground pecking order. Nothing more nothing less. It was just that simple but as adults we tend to shade it differently.

JohnCasey — October 10, 2012 at 4:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JohnCasey — October 10, 2012 at 4:56 a.m.

Symbols convey different meanings to different people.

There are those who claim the Confederate battle flag is symbolic of a more civil day - when men protected the honor of women and blah blah blah.

The chair represents Pres Obama - Clint made this happen. The noose is the problem. It represents lynching. Now - if someone had been smart enough to transition the argument to all the hangings in Clint Eastwood cowboy movies, there just might have been room for argument. But this never happened. And seeing as how the hanging chair started with people who have waged a campaign against Pres Obama since the beginning, well....

roger — October 10, 2012 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — October 10, 2012 at 6:42 a.m.

Even **IF** the chair was meant as an effigy, how could anybody conclude that it is racist? Democrats hanging effigies of Republicans would be more indicative of lynching. Just like four years ago the democrats are trying to claim that anyone who doesn't like Obama's ideas is racist. If the Democrats had any issues to run on they wouldn't have to create false hate to bolster their cause.

frobert — October 10, 2012 at 7:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

“Common sense ain't common.”

~Will Rogers~

nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Angst grows among President Obama's supporters**

Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki, traveling with reporters aboard Air Force One on Tuesday to an Obama appearance in Ohio, said Obama had always counted on the race tightening significantly, and reiterated the campaign’s no-drama ethos.

“We’ve always run this race like we’re 5 points down,” Psaki said. “We know that there are going to be many ups and downs, some that you referenced, over the next couple of days. We have blinders on. We’re implementing our own game plan. We’re focused on getting our supporters out, communicating the choice, and we’ll sleep on Nov. 7 , not Oct. 7.”
The problem is that many Obama supporters think he simply isn’t communicating well enough and fear he doesn’t have the same fire he had during his first presidential campaign four years ago.

“And to the people out there still using these last 30 days to make up their minds, Obama had better be aware that he needs to send them a forceful signal that he has zest for the job for another four years,” wrote Michael Tomasky, contributing editor of the progressive American Prospect, in a blog post.

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nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


That’s all political BS and you know it.. You’re smarter than that; at least I thought you were. She said were implementing our "OWN" game plan.. Really after the 1st debate or did you start it over 12 months ago as Obama started his bid for reelection.. Come on Nail "REALLY" you’re buying what she spilling.....I saw on the today show this morning Obamas chief not answering a single Lauer question.. Only saying they will continue the Big Bird campaign.. Really a big bird campaign... He is a total disgrace to nation... He thinks he can roll out the race card, get all the minority votes, the women votes and the Hollywood votes and win the election without a plan... Well he isn't going to get the "informed vote" That’s my guess. Because he hasn't informed those out of work what his plan is to help get them back to work... He doesn't know is the problem.. He hasn't worked outside of public life and never has hired anyone but a nanny.. Think Man Think...

vanwadreamer — October 10, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- What & who are you talking about? You've even outed the golden caboose. Please add coherency with clarity to your misguided and fragmented post if at all possible.

Republicans are so emotional.

nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Hypocrisy hits new heights: Pro-life candidate taped himself pressuring his mistress to get an abortion.

You can't make this stuff up:

manthou — October 10, 2012 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I agree with Fox News on this one. The AP "photojournalist" crossed a huge line in ridiculing Mr. Romney with this visual tomfoolery here. How bad will digital content need to fall before we all start turning news off entirely?

manthou — October 10, 2012 at 12:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Think Man Think.*..vanwadreamer

Let me think...I think you believe Obama is not a legitimate President, possibly not even a US citizen. You think Obama is a muslim and global warming is a leftist conspiracy. You believe Obama fixed unemployment numbers and doesn't have America's best interest at heart, but rather part of a larger anti-America conspiracy. You believe Obama is at fault when gas prices rise but not when they're lower. I think you watch Fox news as your primary source of information, believing it and your favorite right wing pundits like Limbaugh are doing a great service in providing news and commentary. I think you blame your failures in business on Obama, wanting government to coddle you and make up for them.

Symptoms- Incoherent speech furthering anxiety driven comments, exhibiting complete disdain for logic and contempt for reality.

Diagnosis- I think you've got too much displaced anxiety/hostility for any one person. Fox & surrounding culture has nurtured a fecalized thought process.

Prognosis- Condition will continue to worsen if environment/thinking does not change in a progressive manner.

Possible road to cure- Start from scratch.

nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 12:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- @ 12:02- Voters used to lend more weight to character. Hopefully some still do.

@ 12:08- I found it to be humorous, and would equally with Obama. A little more info at the time would be better. Since the photo wasn't doctored it is what it is. It's Fox news claiming RW victimization from "lamestream media" any chance they get.

nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Mitt Romney Won't Mention Glen Doherty, Slain Former Navy SEAL, After Mother's Complaint**

On Tuesday, Romney spoke to supporters in Iowa, recalling a chance encounter with a former Navy SEAL while mistakenly attending a Christmas party in San Diego a few years ago.

“I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former Navy SEAL," Romney said. "I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former Navy SEALs killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart.”

Romney didn't directly provide Doherty's name, but his campaign later confirmed his identity. He was one of four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, killed during a violent assault on the consulate in Benghazi last month.

Boston's WHDH later reached out to Doherty's mother, Barbara, to get her reaction to Romney's campaign trail anecdote.

"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda," she told WHDH. "It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”

Doherty similarly decried the politicization of her son's death in an interview with the Boston Herald last month.

Glen Doherty's friend, Elf Ellefsen, also spoke with Seattle's KIRO, expressing similar disagreement with Romney's mention of his friend's death.

According to Ellefsen, Doherty found his exchange with Romney to be "insincere and stale."

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nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 1:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Republicans want someone to blame for the Embassy tragedy they need to look no further than their own House. Democrats need to make much of this. Get the focus back on the House, as well as Mitt's lies and videotape.

Wake up Obama!

**Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'**

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) voted to cut back on funds for embassy security. (AP Photo/J. Scott)
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.

On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."

"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”

For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.

Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi had allegedly expressed concerns over their safety in the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks that killed four Americans, including Amb. Chris Stevens. Chaffetz and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, claim those concerns were ignored.

nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 1:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So much in the news today! Lest we forget how crazy and fractured the GOP has become.

**Charlie Fuqua, Arkansas Legislative Candidate, Endorses Sterilization For Non-Supportive Parents**

The Arkansas Republican who has called for deporting all Muslims and for instituting the death penalty for rebellious children is also calling for the state to sterilize parents who are neglectful.

Former state Rep. Charlie Fuqua, who is seeking a comeback to the state House this year, wrote in his 2012 book, "God's Law," that parents who do not support their children or have had their parental rights ended by a judge should not be allowed to have more children, the Arkansas Times reported. Fuqua also called for the Muslim deportation and the child death penalty in his book. Fuqua is challenging state Rep. James McLean (D).

nailingit — October 10, 2012 at 2:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bad Lip Reading. I think everyone will find this funny, funny, funny!

It is time for a laugh:

manthou — October 11, 2012 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Should be good! Ryan's tenure in the House, to include his pro-life extremism and lack of productivity needs conversation.

**5 things to watch in VP debate**

2. Can Ryan defend himself and the GOP ticket?

The Republican VP nominee has to pull double duty on the debate stage tonight.

After Romney earlier this week gave to The Des Moines Register a garbled response about abortion legislation as a priority in his administration — one that his spokeswoman had to promptly walk back — Ryan told reporters that he and his ticket mate are “unified” on the issue.

Except…they’re not. A Catholic, Ryan has deferred to Romney’s position, noting the president sets policy. But Ryan’s own positions on the issue are more strict about curtailing the availability of abortion.

Ryan is not only going to have to show that he’s nimble defending a budget map he crafted but that Romney says is not entirely his own plan in key respects, though the presidential nominee hasn’t offered substantive details about ways in which they differ.

Ryan’s challenge is to defend the Republican ticket without seeming inauthentic in doing so.

3. Will Ryan let his feel-your-pain flag fly?

In repeated interviews, including one with Fox News’s Chris Wallace, Ryan has dodged questions about the GOP ticket’s budget plan by saying there wasn’t enough time to explain it. In other interviews, he’s said he doesn’t want to get all “wonky.”

That’s a bit harder to argue on a debate stage, especially after the numbers-laden and surprisingly substantive first presidential debate.

Romney’s response to Jim Lehrer on the tax plan questions, and to Obama, was that the president wasn’t telling the truth. Ryan is likely to answer in a version of the same way, but people who are actually watching the debate and who hear that the congressman is also the House Budget Committee chairman will expect to hear more.

Ryan is most comfortable giving a PowerPoint presentation, and while he won’t literally have one to display on the debate stage, he may have to act like he does.

Equally important for Ryan will be rising to the type of feel-your-pain moment that is a Biden trademark, and the reason the Obama team has dispatched the vice president on the trail so regularly.

Whether Ryan can show that kind of emotion, especially if Biden ups the ante by doing it himself, is a key question.

Also critical — how Ryan handles the inevitable Medicare, Medicaid and senior citizen-related attacks that Biden will launch. The budget chairman is already the face of “Mediscare” for Democrats, and how he engages the issue onstage will be important to watch.

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nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou- Too funny! It made more sense than the real thing.

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 8:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nasil- You continue to make me smile. That is why I actually enjoy reading some of your comments/thoughts...

Obama stumping in Ohio says" I told you I would get us out of Iraq and I did, I told you I would get us out of Afganistan and i am" Really, I guess none in that audience has a Brother, father, son who will be heading over in the near future. I have my youngest going over next month.... and to hear from his brother who just got back, it's not a pretty picture over there. We need to get out ASAP...

Tonight How is Biden going to tell us how He, Obama, and the democrats who have been in virtual control the past 4 years and two of them all in control how the President is going to turn things around.. Heck Biden can't even find the bathroom in the whitehouse no less know anything about how to create jobs, how to trim the National debt... He doesn't even balance his own checkbook in his own words.

Ryan/Romney 2 Biden Obama0+ Shutout... I think more people will be scared of the Obama-Biden ticket after a thourough beat dowm tonight... Could we really see Biden as our President??

vanwadreamer — October 11, 2012 at 11 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- *"We need to get out ASAP*..."

Romney has stated it's a mistake not to have a strong military presence in Iraq. His Afghanistan withdrawal timeline mirrors Obama. If you're thinking less war, what part of Romney's foreign policy excites you?

*"Tonight How is Biden going to tell us how He, Obama, and the democrats"*

Again, representing all what is wrong with politics and much in government will be on stage tonight. House Member Paul Ryan. He is a walking talking point for Biden. Extreme positions on fiscal austerity, health care, Medicare, women's rights, the economy etc., backed by his voting record, to include his ineffectiveness as a house member. Not to mention Romney lies he perpetuates and his refusal to offer details on health care, his tax plan and fixing the economy as a whole.

Ryan's a big fat bulls eye and Joe shouldn't miss.

*Could we really see Biden as our President??*

Very much so. Given the Republican products we've been subjected to this election. From Gingrich to Bachman to Cain to Santorum to Ryan to Romney to Perry.....

At least this year you guys didn't choose Sarah for Vice President, that' something I suppose.


**Sarah Palin On Future Presidential Run: 'Im Not Sure What The Future Holds... Que Sera Sera' [VIDEO]**

The book, Our Sarah: Made in Alaska, also reportedly includes the suggestion that aides to John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign tried to "micromanage [Palin's] responses" for her debate against Biden. According to "The Reliable Source," Chuck Heath and Chuck Heath Jr. write, "They couldn’t bear the thought of acknowledging that she had political instincts at least equal to their own."

Ahead of Thursday night's debate, Ryan told CNN in an interview that he did not reach out to Palin, who faced off against Biden during the 2008 election, before the showdown.

"I really don't know her," he said. "I only met her once and that was about two years ago."

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 1:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Mitt: People don’t die because they lack insurance**

*Romney doubles down on his claim that people without insurance don't "die in their apartment"*

In an interview with the Columbus Dispatch, Mitt Romney reiterated his claim that people don’t die from a lack of insurance.

“We don’t have a setting across this country where if you don’t have insurance, we just say to you, ‘Tough luck, you’re going to die when you have your heart attack,’ ” he said.

“No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance,” Romney continued.

According to a 2009 study by Harvard Medical School, 45,000 people die each year, mainly because they lack health insurance. People aged 64 and under who don’t have health care insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who do have insurance, the study found.

Romney made similar comments in a “60 Minutes” interview last month: “Well, we do provide care for people who don’t have insurance,” he said. “If someone has a heart attack, they don’t sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care.”

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Those are some good numbers... But you can do allott with numbers. I for one think we US citizens should all have affordable health insurance and care. I happen to work closely with this industry and find it so alarming how cost's, policy, and legislation are fraught with failure and fraud.

As I have stated before we need to make Health care much, much more affordable in order to get 80% of the 40 million currently uninsured, insured. I see only twenty% at best insured under the Obama plan which still leaves 32 million uninsured... It may be a start but the plan is tooo costly, can't be paid for and is chucked full still unresolved issues...

Tonights debate hopefully does bring out more of each party's actual plan to turn our country around.. The first thing I would ask Joe if I were Paul, Why haven't we had a budget proposal presented to the house by the President??? The last question I would ask Joe is why did the White House put out the false statements "LIES" surrounding the Embassy attack last month.

vanwadreamer — October 11, 2012 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*The first thing I would ask Joe if I were Paul, Why haven't we had a budget proposal presented to the house by the President???*

vanwa- Why always turn to government for answers?

But Presidents Don't Sign The Budgets That Congress Produces

CRS: Congressional Budget Resolution Is "Not Presented To The President For His Signature." The Congressional Research Service, in a report titled "Congressional Budget Resolutions: Historical Information," wrote that a congressional budget resolution is "not presented to the President for his signature and thus does not become law." CRS further noted that "the budget resolution serves as an agreement between the House and Senate on a congressional budget plan." [, 3/13/12]

President Obama Has Proposed A Budget Every Year In Office

President Obama Has Produced Four Budget Proposals. Obama has produced four budget proposals since taking office:

Fiscal Year 2010 [Office of Management and Budget, accessed 8/17/12]

Fiscal Year 2011 [Office of Management and Budget, accessed 8/17/12]

Fiscal Year 2012 [Office of Management and Budget, accessed 8/17/12]

Fiscal Year 2013 [Office of Management and Budget, accessed 8/17/12]

CRS: "Congress Did Not Complete Action On A Budget Resolution" In 2002, 2004, and 2006. According to the CRS report, "Congress did not complete action on a budget resolution" three times during George W. Bush's administration:

*The last question I would ask Joe is why did the White House put out the false statements "LIES" surrounding the Embassy attack last month.*

No doubt part of a larger conspiracy to cover up embarrassing House Embassy $$$ cuts, undermine America's power structure and further Obama's pro communist agenda. Wake up vanwa! Fox news produces mindmush.

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Has Biden called in sick yet? Maybe obama will have to do it for him.

cranky — October 11, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@forum#debate/go getem JOE!

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Joe is schooling this young lad! Go Joe!

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 6:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@ryan#testicles/leave em @ home ryan?!

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So far, Ryan seems to have memorized everything he spouts. And I am appalled by his Iran bluster, like Romney as prez will right away set the mullahs straight. Wow, he really has lots to learn.

luvithere — October 11, 2012 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

@luvit#debate/Merciless Joe showing no mercy! Ryan's on the ropes in the 6th!

nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ryan is out of his league, not just tonight. At least to me it is clear, there' s no real plan, no foreign policy, no nothing.. Loopholes solving it all? Wow.

luvithere — October 11, 2012 at 7:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Why is John Boehner helping out shady Rep. Michael Grimm?**

*The speaker helps out a guy under FBI investigation*

On Monday, the New York Times and Post reported that the ex-business partner of New York Republican Rep. Michael Grimm has close ties to the imprisoned don of the Gambino crime family, according to federal prosecutors. The old partner, whom Grimm started a restaurant with in 2006 after ending his colorful career as an undercover FBI agent, reportedly visits Anthony “Fat Tony’’ Morelli in prison and calls the crime boss his “uncle.” This came out at the bail hearing for Ofer Biton, a top fundraiser for Grimm who is charged with immigration fraud and being investigated by the FBI, as is Grimm himself, for allegedly breaking campaign finance laws. This has landed Grimm, who reportedly faces two other federal investigations, on the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington’s (CREW) “most corrupt” list for his second year in a row.

And yet this morning, House Speaker John Boehner was scheduled to appear at a fundraiser for the embattled first-term lawmaker in Manhattan. The minimum contribution was $2,500, while a $7,500 check would get you a photo with Boehner and Grimm. Checks were to be made out to the Manhattan Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee incorporated very recently. A spokesperson for Boehner did not respond to a request for confirmation that the speaker attended the event, and an event organizer said she could not comment on it.

Republican House leaders, shortly after assuming the majority last year, promised to enforce a “zero-tolerance policy” on ethical violations.

Boehner endorsed Grimm in March amid fresh reports that the FBI was probing the New York lawmaker. “The Speaker has time and again made clear that he holds every Member to the highest standards of ethical conduct, and Rep. Grimm continues to have the Speaker’s confidence,” Boehner spokesman Kevin Smith told Roll Call at the time. The speaker held another fundraiser for Grimm in June of last year. “This historic visit illustrates the impact that Michael Grimm has made in less than six months in office,” the president of the local Republican club said at the time.

“It doesn’t seem that Mr. Boehner is quite as concerned with ethics as he’s led us to believe,” CREW’s Melanie Sloan told Salon. “Holding a fundraiser for someone who’s in as deep trouble as Michael Grimm is doesn’t suggest a zero tolerance for ethics. It suggests a very high tolerance for unethical conduct.”


Naturally, when Democrats controlled the House, Boehner made hay of any alleged ethics violation to slam the their leadership. When New York Rep. Charlie Rangel was hit with a violation, Boehner said it was a “sad reminder” of then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s “most glaring broken promise: to ‘drain the swamp’ in Washington.”

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nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**INSTANT POLL: Joe Biden Shredded Paul Ryan In The Vice Presidential Debate**

A CBS instant poll taken immediately after tonight's vice presidential debate found that Vice President Joe Biden handily beat Republican hopeful Paul Ryan among a group of undecided voters.
Biden got 50 percent of the vote, whereas Ryan earned 31 percent. Nineteen percent said it was a tie.

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nailingit — October 11, 2012 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

biden was his politician-self, while ryan actually discussed ideas.

that is, when he could get far enough into a sentence before biden interrupted him.

in the future, biden's performance should be used in colleges to teach machine politics.

DeeLittle — October 12, 2012 at 3:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal

RE: The VP candidate debate.

Ryan scored with forcing Biden to admit the Administration's initial assessment of the Libyan attack was wrong. Biden blamed this on the intelligence community; anyone who bothers to remember should recall Romney was calling it an al Qaeda attack from the start - he backed off that position when getting the negative press for his timing. Ryan could have scored heavier if he'd have forced the issue to hammer these points home. Also, there was a missed response on the part of Biden - That we were working with the Libyan interim gov't, rather than taking over ourselves, to bring the killers to justice. That this was necessary to shore up that gov't; sometimes we have to pursue a less than desirable route when in context of a bigger picture.

Biden killed Ryan on Iran. The Romney campaign is running on a potential capability to make a nuclear weapon based solely on the amount of enriched uranium they're thought to have. As Biden made quite clear, this is only a part of making a weapon - sanctions supported by all the major powers are keeping them from being able to use this uranium. He also effectively countered the perceived slight of Netanyahu in NYC. Ryan tried to counter with how Pres Obama has granted exceptions to the sanctions, but without detail this was pretty weak.

The rest was a draw - Afghanistan and the economy were addressed in a manner that their political bases would agree with, but I couldn't see either argument winning someone over.

I liked the moderator - not sure why she's getting negative comments. She kept them on track, and cut both off at times when they weren't going anywhere. She may have allowed the conversation to focus too much on Afghanistan, but....

Someone made an assessment afterward (on CNN) - this was pretty much a draw. That if there was a winner, it would be the Dems; that person felt Biden's showing will reanimate their base after Pres Obama's poor showing last week.

roger — October 12, 2012 at 6:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- *anyone who bothers to remember should recall Romney was calling it an al Qaeda attack from the start -*

So was I. Granted Mitt Romney has less credibility than I, but his visibility is stronger. :) My point being many got it right, but only Romney can be wrong when he's right. Romney's a walking disaster, his inability to properly gauge real time events is startling. Whether it be eating cookies with commoners..

attending the Olympics..

commenting on foreign affairs..

..just about anything. It's because he lacks resolve on all issues with the exception of personal gain.

Given the field of Republican wacko's to choose from this election, this is the best Republicans could do. A liberal Massachusetts uber wealthy Mormon elitist. Someone who doesn't care about or relate to middle class Christian conservatives, but is desperately trying to for personal gain.

nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Some Girls Rape easy**

Wisconsin Republicans are quickly disowning state Rep. Roger Rivard (R-Rice Lake), after he told a newspaper that "[s]ome girls rape easy."

Republican Senate candidate and former Gov. Tommy Thompson became the latest to join the chorus on Thursday, putting out a statement saying he was "offended" by what the state lawmaker said.

nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Biden out Misled Ryan in debate- They used the words Misled, On the subjects he misled the audience on were more like blatant lies...

CNN poll shows Ryan at 48% and Biden at 44%

Gergen agreed: "On style I think that Paul Ryan won the debate. The Biden dismissive laughs, the interruptions, the sort of shouting, I think that Ryan was calmer and frankly more presidential."

Biden tried to Bully his way through the debate...

point - BIDEN: "We went out and rescued General Motors."

THE FACTS: Actually, the auto bailout of General Motors and Chrysler began under President George W. Bush. The Obama administration continued and expanded it.

The fact of the matter is what last night showed voters was how out of touch the D ticket is with no plan yet in place. At least the R ticket has plans on several fronts wether you agree with them or not. You have to have a budget and live within it otherwise you end up with the mess were in.

vanwadreamer — October 12, 2012 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

**Stella Tremblay, New Hampshire Legislator, Emails Link To Video Questioning Obama's Citizenship**

A Republican member of the Tea Party-controlled New Hampshire House of Representatives has circulated an email to her colleagues raising concerns about President Barack Obama's citizenship.

State Rep. Stella Tremblay (R-Auburn) sent the email Monday to Secretary of State William Gardner and the 400-member state House with a link to the YouTube video, "Not Natural Born - TRUTH MATTERS." In the email, Tremblay said she did not know if the video was legitimate. A liberal blog in New Hampshire,, first reported Tremblay's email earlier this week and The Huffington Post confirmed the legitimacy of the email Friday morning.

"I do not know if this video has been edited," Tremblay wrote in the email. "If this is not the case, there is a BIG PROBLEM."

The 2-year-old video, posted on the YouTube account of Freedom Flag 1776, includes clips of Obama appearing to say he was born in Kenya. The source of the clips, according to the posting, is, a parody site.

The video also includes clips of first lady Michelle Obama and a Kenyan official, edited to show Obama was born in Kenya. Birther queen Orly Taitz is in the video, along with the Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg, who filed the first birther lawsuit in 2008. Politifact reported in 2010 that the video, which has received more than five million views, was highly edited and did not contain factual information from the Obamas.

On the YouTube account for Freedom Flag 1776 is the website,, which describes itself as "Conservative Watch News."

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nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

*Typical regurgitated crap from the left.*

*Stupid is as stupid does.*

*I live during my teens in Boise, in '70 ...*

nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 2:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Great job Joe! Wake up Obama!

**Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll**

Voters said Biden was more qualified to be president, as the vice president moved from 43 to 45 percent on that question over the course of the debate, and Ryan stayed at 35 percent. The Wisconsin congressman's presence on the Romney ticket may also cause trouble for the Republican Party: 27 percent of registered voters said Ryan made them less favorable toward Romney, up from 21 percent before the debate.

The online poll surveyed 629 registered voters after the debate. The credibility interval was 3.1 percentage points for polling before the debate and 4.5 percent after the debate.

nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 4:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Polls are polls, there is as many that show Biden did better Than Ryan..and Ryan better than Biden. Were not voting for these two guys anyway.. Really.... What does matter was the content and context by which Biden Misled the American voters and his disturbing on air Attitude of disrespect..... We just can't have 4 more years of failed policies and politics like the last 4 years is the bottom line. Even Biden didn't know in his own home "County" that it has over 10% unemployment... Now thats Stupid is as Stupid doesn't know...

vanwadreamer — October 12, 2012 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Story O One Gal's HELL!!! A Saga Of A Man Gone Wild!!! iiiuʍop әp!sdn pәuɹnʇ pႨɹoʍ sәႨdnoɔ ɐ Another marriage lost to Right Wing extremism and Fox News!!!

Maybe we should treat Republicanism as a disease and prescribe treatment. I would prescribe a combination of chemicals & herbs mixed with nightly viewings of the Daily show, served with a Matthews/Maddow cocktail with a twist of lemming.

**The Bipartisan Marriage**

When I say Republican, I don't mean a "I'm conservative but I'm slightly centrist and willing to listen to other people's opinions" kind of guy. It's more of a "I'm going to worship at the temple of Fox News until I die a horrible death at the hands of Big Government and only listen to conservative talk radio and talk nasty about anyone who resembles anything near a hippie" Republican. So it was kind of scary.


As the years rolled on and we would talk about politics, the conversation became less of a civilized discourse and more of him becoming extremely angry and shouting the same talking points repeatedly as if he were Bill O'Reilly on a bender. I couldn't get a word in to argue the other side. If I did, I was attacked for buying into the "liberal bias." In his eyes, I was a brainwashed fool and didn't understand how reality worked. He enjoyed our political discussions, but every time we had them, I felt ashamed and berated.


As the 2010 elections approached, there was almost nothing playing in our home except for Fox News; I had surrendered the television to him. He barely talked to me and spent all his disposable income on conservative books from his favorite radio hosts. Anytime we talked -- even just about the cost of groceries -- he brought up politics. I felt like I was witnessing a didactic cult of one person.


It was around this time that I realized I was done avoiding political landmines. There was nothing keeping us together anymore except bills and some shared floorspace. He was more into Sean Hannity than he was his own wife, and would rather spend time with him than making love to me. Needless to say, the marriage was over.

Looking back, it was not the Republican values that tore our marriage apart, as some of my closest friends are conservative and we have wonderful friendships. It was him -- his anger, his brainwashed attitude and his lack of respect for my opinions. It doesn't bode well for relationships, and we shouldn't be acting this way on either side of the aisle.

Would I date a Republican again? I'm not so sure, but I never say never. All I know is that I want a man who is educated in his beliefs and can stand up for them properly rather than a brainwashed boy who thinks that getting angry, calling names and repeating the same talking points is political discourse. And I'd like to have my television back so I can laugh at Jon Stewart openly.

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nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"We just can't have 4 more years of failed policies and politics like the last 4 years is the bottom line."

I agree, but that doesn't mean Romney's policies will fare any better. Can't say for sure-not heard many details. But promising a 20% tax cut while reducing the deficit is a stretch, even for a political campaign.

mrd — October 13, 2012 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A future made for TV movie? Ralph Reed and Scooter Libby to guest star?

**William Koch, Billionaire Koch Brother, Accused Of Imprisoning Executive**

Billionaire William Koch is facing a lawsuit in federal court from a former top-level employee who claims **the energy mogul lured him to a secluded property, where he was imprisoned and interrogated for a period of time, according to a report in Courthouse News.**

John Houston Scott, an attorney for Kirby Martenson, a former executive for a number of Koch subsidiaries, confirmed the story to HuffPost, adding that he guessed the case could go to trial in a year.

The case was filed in San Francisco, where the Republican-backing Kochs are not deeply popular.

Martensen alleges **that the multiple-day-long incident** was set off by an anonymous letter accusing Martensen of mismanaging and stealing from Oxbow Carbon & Minerals International while serving as the company's vice president. That accusation prompted the company's leadership to read Martensen's letters and emails without his knowledge, the suit charges, which led the company to discover that **Martensen had deep reservations about the legality of the company's tax avoidance strategies**.

Martensen alleges he was told by his superiors that he was transferred overseas to Asia so that the **Koch company could avoid paying U.S. taxes on some $200,000,000 in profits.**

“Kirby Martensen states in a lawsuit that we investigated him for participating in a wide-ranging scheme to defraud, accepting bribes and diverting business from our company," Brad Goldstein, director of corporate affairs for Oxbow, a Bill Koch company, said in a statement. "He is right. We absolutely investigated Martensen and determined that he did participate in the fraud against the company. We identified who was defrauding us and are pursuing appropriate action to hold them accountable. In fact, several of the wrongdoers have admitted their involvement and one has directly implicated Mr. Martensen in the scheme. ”

Koch, who is David Koch's twin brother, is estimated to be worth $4 billion. He previously made news b**y reconstructing a replica of an Old West ghost town on the isolated ranch where Martensen and his co-workers were allegedly held.**

**Martensen had a flight booked from Aspen, but was not permitted to travel to the airport,** he claims, as a local sheriff worked with Koch's employees to "make sure you don't wander off," according to the complaint. He says he was subjected to a several-hour interrogation, fired, held against his will on the property, then **forced to fly in a private plane to San Francisco, accompanied by a man he believed to be armed.**

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nailingit — October 13, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Maybe we should treat Republicanism as a disease and prescribe treatment. I would prescribe a combination of chemicals & herbs mixed with nightly viewings of the Daily show, served with a Matthews/Maddow cocktail with a twist of lemming." -- Nails

Nails, by any chance did you watch "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"? Your plan sounds suspiciously inspired by the following exchange:

roger — October 13, 2012 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- *Nails, by any chance did you watch "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"*

It's been forever but your clip has inspired me to watch it again! Great 100 year plan. Sounds a little MormonRomneyish, but that's a 10 to 1 ratio I can get behind! So much for DOMA.

nailingit — October 13, 2012 at 10:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

crazytrain — October 13, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.

Yes - I can see the influence.

roger — October 13, 2012 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — October 13, 2012 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nice to see the young guitar masters paying homage to the guys who paved the way for them. Joe Satriani and Steve Vai would drag in another guy and kick some butt for the crowd.

roger — October 13, 2012 at 4:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

From the C's endorsement of Romney-

"Instead of looking to government as the solution, the next president must oversee cuts in government costs, starting with reductions in military spending.

Yet CNN ran an article today stating Romney has vowed to INCREASE defense spending, especially on the Navy. As a politician, his vow is probably BS, but, it does beg the question, if Romney wins, and I believe there's a very good chance he will, how is he going to reduce the deficit by increasing military spending along with an across the board 20% tax cut? I don't think there's enough loopholes to close nor enough deductions to eliminate to do so. If, again he says, his tax cut will be "deficit neutral", obviously there must be a 20% increase somewhere. With Ryan already mentioning eliminating the mortgage deduction, it's apparent to me where they'll look for their 20% offset-directly at the shrinking middle class. After all, someone has to take care of the Boeings and Exxons of the corporate world.

mrd — October 14, 2012 at 7:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Obama Leads Among Early Voters: Poll

WASHINGTON, Oct 14 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney are neck and neck in opinion polls, but there is one area in which the incumbent appears to have a big advantage: those who have already cast their ballots.

Obama leads Romney by 59 percent to 31 percent among early voters, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling data compiled in recent weeks.

The sample size of early voters is relatively small, but the Democrat's margin is still well above the poll's credibility interval - a measurement of polls' accuracy - of 10 percentage points.

nailingit — October 14, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

**Arlen Specter Dead: Former Senator Dies From Complications Of Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma**

HARRISBURG, Pa. — Former U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, the outspoken Pennsylvania centrist whose switch from Republican to Democrat ended a 30-year career in which he played a pivotal role in several Supreme Court nominations, died Sunday. He was 82.
Specter, who announced in late August that he was battling cancer, died at his home in Philadelphia from complications of non-Hodgkins lymphoma, said his son Shanin. Over the years, Arlen Specter had fought two previous bouts with Hodgkin's disease, overcome a brain tumor and survived cardiac arrest following bypass surgery.

Specter rose to prominence in the 1960s as an aggressive Philadelphia prosecutor and as an assistant counsel to the Warren Commission, developing the single-bullet theory that posited just one bullet struck both President Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally – an assumption critical to the argument that presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. The theory remains controversial and was the focus of Oliver Stone's 1991 movie "JFK."

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nailingit — October 14, 2012 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal;=related

A few weeks ago Lady Ann said she was worried about Lord Mitt's mental health. Democrats didn't use this as a talking point. If the one closest to him has this concern, shouldn't this lend voters pause? The numbnuts who are undecided and let their opinion/vote be swayed by Romney's lies and obfuscation while he's offering some bent form of plutocratic dystopia, and with a smile nonetheless, already test positive for cluelessness and need help. This doctrine of disillusionment has been spread from the top down, infecting a gullible electorate whose opinion's have been shaped by a bias media and a culture steeped in bigotry and fear. This part of humanity will never be cured or come to an end.

So let's treat it.

nailingit — October 14, 2012 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, the crazy guy made it - a 24 mile jump from space, hitting a speed estimated over 700 mph.

roger — October 14, 2012 at 1:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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Drift — October 8, 2012 at 6:40 a.m.

OK, I know I am late on response, but cannot let this go.

Yes, Afghanistan is the leader in opium. Yes, Colombia is the leader in cocaine. However, most points of entry into the US market are so well protected from these substances entering the country, the smugglers have all but stopped trying to use them. They need a point of entry that allows flow.

They discovered that there are enough holes in the border with Mexico that they can get it in. Part of the reason for the inflated street value is that they count on the fact that a certain amount of their product will be intercepted by authorities, while a majority will make it to buyers.

This is what has caused the cartels to rise in power. For the most part, they are just middle men. But with such an important role in getting the product to market.

We have cases of drug related violent crimes in places such as Minnesota that are connected to the Mexican cartels. They have been connected to human trafficking as well. They are bringing people to the US to work as prostitutes, as well as kidnapping Americans and shipping them to other location such as SE Asia into slavery.

But if I am to understand you correctly, Drift, we have no basis to take a more agressive action against these violent, criminal organizations.

danabwoodley — October 14, 2012 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — October 12, 2012 at 7:37 p.m.


So we are going to blame a failed marriage on a political party? So the lure of the right wing rhetoric was found to be more appealing than the pleasures of a woman that loves you?

It couldn't be that it was an issue of a man that never learned what it meant to love a woman. How to treat her properly, not as property. How to respect her. How to be a real man and not just a male animal with a sexual accessory readily available. No not that at all. It's all political?

And you prescription is brainwash therapy with left wing rhetoric? Afterall, there are no liberal guilty of improper behavior in a marriage, right? Just ask Mr. Clinton.

While I am not going to suggest that anyone here with a liberal bent change their views immediately, I am going to offer a challenge. You suggest we ignore Fox News because it is loaded with RW drivel, so how about you ignore the LW drivel contained in NYT or HuffPo for just a week?

Can you?

danabwoodley — October 14, 2012 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

***Wouldn't you just love to work for these guys???***

Koch Industries, the Wichita, Kan.-based company run by the billionaire Koch brothers, sent a voter information packet to 45,000 employees of its Georgia Pacific subsidiary earlier this month.

In it was a letter, dated Oct. 1, from Koch Industries president Dave Robertson implicitly warning that "many of our more than 50,000 U.S. employees and contractors may suffer the consequences" of voting for President Obama and other Democrats in the 2012 elections, a list of conservative candidates the company's political action committee endorses and a pair of editorials: one, by David Koch, supporting Mitt Romney, and the other, by Charles Koch, condemning Obama.

"While we are typically told before each Presidential election that it is important and historic, I believe the upcoming election will determine what kind of America future generations will inherit," Robertson's letter--first published by "If we elect candidates who want to spend hundreds of billions in borrowed money on costly new subsidies for a few favored cronies, put unprecedented regulatory burdens on businesses, prevent or delay important new construction projects, and excessively hinder free trade, then many of our more than 50,000 U.S. employees and contractors may suffer the consequences, including higher gasoline prices, runaway inflation, and other ills. This is true regardless of what your political affiliation might be."

hawkeye — October 14, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — October 14, 2012 at 9:30 p.m

This is the actual letter.

October 1, 2012
Dear co-worker,
While we are typically told before each Presidential election that it is important and historic, I believe the upcoming election will determine what kind of America future generations will inherit.
If we elect candidates who want to spend hundreds of billions in borrowed money on costly new subsidies for a few favored cronies, put unprecedented regulatory burdens on businesses, prevent or delay important new construction projects and excessively hinder free trade, then many of our more than 50,000 U.S. employees and contractors may suffer the consequences, including higher gasoline prices, runaway inflation and other ills. This is true regardless of what your political affiliation might be.
To help you engage in the political process, we have enclosed several items in this packet. For most of you, this includes information about voter registration deadlines and early voting options for your state. At the request of many employees, we have also provided a list of candidates in your state that have been supported by Koch companies or by KOCHPAC, our employee political action committee.
I want to emphasize two things about these lists. First, and most important, we believe any decision about which candidates to support is – as always – yours and yours alone, based on the factors that are most important to you. Second, we do not support candidates based on their political affiliation. We evaluate them based on who is the most market-based and willing to support economic freedom for the benefit of society as a whole.
If you are concerned about our economy, our future and enhancing the quality of life for all Americans, then I encourage you to consider the principles of your candidates and not just their party affiliation. It is essential that we are all informed and educated voters. Our future depends on it.
Also included in this mailing are wallet cards to use as you shop for some of the most popular brands made by your co-workers, information about our newly updated MBM® Guiding Principles and some thoughtful editorials by Charles Koch, David Koch and others.
Dave Robertson
President and COO
Koch Industries, Inc.

frobert — October 14, 2012 at 10:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

DBW- Chill. Try not to take things so seriously.

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