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BOCC Agenda item tomorrow: Request approval of $300,000 court-ordered judgement (against the county) plus $50,000 additional fees.

Anyone know what this pertains to?

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 6:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Answered my own question, I think.

It is a judgment against former CC Clerk Sherry Parker that the Hartford refused to pay. So Clark County needs to pony it up.

What is the tally now, for 2013 pay outs for Clark County staff blunders? Well over 10 million for sure.

Is it time to put some effort into staff "best practices" inservices for risk reduction? Seriously. In the private sector, would these folks have been fired?

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Something to do with money paid to the County and deposited to a bank that subsequently failed. The FDIC covered about 2/3 of the lost money, and the estate filed against the County Clerk (Sherry Parker) to recover the remainder.

roger — December 16, 2013 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks, roger. I found it.

There are no less than 30 (count 'em) THIRTY items on the consent agenda for tomorrow!

Are the good commissioners rushing to clean up lose ends before the end of the year? Have they been spending too much time discussion impotent resolutions to the detriment of the people's business?

Again, I ask: Would these guys be fired if they worked in the private sector like this? Poor time management and planning.

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another interesting article, especially in connected with the all too-brief discussion this past week regarding Centrists.;_source=Sailthru&utm;_medium=email&utm;_term=UTR%20eNews&utm;_campaign=12.16.13%20Utne%20eNews#axzz2nepECR7L

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The right's ongoing attempts (with some success) at limiting voting rights and America's income disparity/inequality define the most important political issues of this generation in my opinion. So I'll keep beating these drums every now & then.

///Why Inequality Matters///

In the years before the crisis, there was a remarkable bipartisan consensus in Washington in favor of financial deregulation — a consensus justified by neither theory nor history. When crisis struck, there was a rush to rescue the banks. But as soon as that was done, a new consensus emerged, one that involved turning away from job creation and focusing on the alleged threat from budget deficits.

What do the pre- and postcrisis consensuses have in common? Both were economically destructive: Deregulation helped make the crisis possible, and the premature turn to fiscal austerity has done more than anything else to hobble recovery. Both consensuses, however, corresponded to the interests and prejudices of an economic elite whose political influence had surged along with its wealth.

This is especially clear if we try to understand why Washington, in the midst of a continuing jobs crisis, somehow became obsessed with the supposed need for cuts in Social Security and Medicare. This obsession never made economic sense: In a depressed economy with record low interest rates, the government should be spending more, not less, and an era of mass unemployment is no time to be focusing on potential fiscal problems decades in the future. Nor did the attack on these programs reflect public demands.

Surveys of the very wealthy have, however, shown that they — unlike the general public — consider budget deficits a crucial issue and favor big cuts in safety-net programs. And sure enough, those elite priorities took over our policy discourse.

Read more @


On a personal note: I might be a little late to the party, but I've finally entered the world of the Smart Phone, (although kicking and screaming) with the rest of my family. Still doing some kicking & screaming as I'm figuring things out with this dangfangled new contraption, but in the long run I believe it will be beneficial.

Signed up for a different internet provider and am finally giving the finger to Comcast in a few days, saving about 2/3 on overall fees. No land line- (Smart Phone) No cable-(welcome (DSL), and Centurylink for internet/WiFi. (Chromecast and other options) Oh what a relief it is! This 21st century stuff can be grueling, but survive and embrace it I will.

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.

Great read JJ! I posted my 10:42 post and hadn't seen yours. Pretty cool this mindset is happening. Something is in the air and I think it's called change. Now if only regressives would get out of the way.

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 10:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Another really good read-

-The Question at the Heart of the Democratic Schism
Should the burden of proof be on reformers—or on vested-

On any given issue, the Democratic insider and the liberal populist may see eye to eye. There are plenty of elites with their hearts in the right place—financiers who fund anti-climate change campaigns and corporate chieftains who tackle urban poverty. Other times the elites do the right thing for more cynical reasons—as when a handful of megabanks supported tougher rules governing mortgages because it would knee-cap less regulated competitors.

But when you actually try to reform the status quo, any approach that relies on courting insiders (lobbyists and businessman, often regulators and Washington think tankers) rather than ginning up public support typically stalls out before long. The oil-state Democrats cave to energy companies; northeastern Democrats cave to the financial industry; coastal Dems cave to the tech sector; farm-state Dems cave to Big Ag. There are defense-contractor Dems; big-box retailer Dems; health insurer Dems (one reason for the Rube-Goldberg contraption we know as Obamacare). And any number of them who will parrot the Beltway editorial page consensus about the urgency of hacking away at Medicare and Social Security, a view just about every respectable corporate executive and financier subscribes to.


More importantly, all these changes were both substantively important and politically popular. That’s why it’s so strange to hear people say populism would be an electoral catastrophe—“nothing would be more disastrous for Democrats,” the Third Way brass writes. The statement is almost self-refuting, suggesting that issues for which there’s a lot of public support are politically toxic. And, in fact, when you look at the set of issues the Third Way op-ed cites as a dead-end for Democrats—increasing Social Security benefits to keep up with inflation for seniors, resisting Medicare benefit cuts—they poll exceptionally well. The same goes for getting tough with Wall Street and for raising the minimum wage, among other populist positions.

Read more @

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Good morning...Again, I ask: Would these guys be fired if they worked in the private sector like this? Poor time management and planning.

That's a good question. Do you think the same for someone like MS kathleen sebelius for her role in the National Website rollout issues and hence covering for our President???

Nail, Welcome to the 21st century.. I'm still learning after a year what my phone can do.. I think it may take a while to figure all of it out. We went the same way as you a couple years ago. Direct TV and centry link..

vanwadreamer — December 16, 2013 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Kinda Eerie about todays sign on.. HUM....

vanwadreamer — December 16, 2013 at 11:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — December 16, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.

No under-the-thumb from Direct TV either. (digital ears and Hulu+ will provide)

Free-Free At Last! comes to mind, but editor Lou already used it up this week.

Given your Sebelius argument, (and yes, maybe she should be canned) and your recent nod to Condi Rice as a candidate for Prez, feeling a bit disoriented? How soon we forget the failures of the very recent Bush administration on so-many-levels, to include the September 11 attack on his watch.

-Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice-

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I always liked Condi Rice. I thought she was the best thing from the Bush years. I do think she garnered more respect than Kerry has gotten. And you guys can have your new phones. I will keep my old flip phone. It does not text or receive texts. I have a hard enough time with this computer and all the tv remotes. My grandson used to come over and fix the remotes but they have moved to Yakima and he says it is to far to drive. I'm like a old horse that they are trying to put a new saddle on. On another note I am feeling pretty good. We heard noise coming from under our upper deck the last few weeks. I thought it was possums. I got a live trap from the game department and last night I caught one. I took it for a ride down Lower River Road. He was a very happy camper when I opened the trap door. I will try to catch more.

timerick — December 16, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak @ 10:18 am: Excellent essay by Bill Moyers!

This part got my attention above all:

"We don’t have emperors yet, but one of our two major parties is now dominated by radicals engaged in a crusade of voter suppression aimed at the elderly, the young, minorities, and the poor; while the other party, once the champion of everyday working people, has been so enfeebled by its own collaboration with the donor class that it offers only token resistance to the forces that have demoralized everyday Americans."

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 10:51

At least now your smart phone is safe from the NSA...

timerick @ 12: 44

Remotes! They're really busy little rabbits... they multiply. We have one of those little baskets with fabric inside to hold ALL ours, including the wii, Bose, and some monster universal thing that never was universal.
Good job on the possum move. Spent the summer watch hubby become increasingly irrational about removing the mole that was making swiss cheese of our back yard. House is small but lot is big so entertain a lot in the summer, and he was determined. Finally started calling him Carl Spackler (caddyshack). Yep, he got it, tho didn't do the scorched earth scene from the movie, but did go from humane removal to trap.

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


There were many failures or lack of evidencuary findings prior to 9-11. To somehow blame CR is far fetched at best. Our intellegence community at this time was very fragmented and there was a huge lack of sharing between entities. This all started under the Clinton Administration and continued through the Bush years up till and a bit after the 9-11 attack. Condi Rice is a Saint compared to Hillarious Clinton. I'm sorry but when you watch an interview or lets say a Capitol Hill grilling which one of these two stands out as Decisive, Respectfull, Articulate, Intellegent??? And BTW Condi Rice is much easier on the eyes. I have a hard time even watching a Clinton interview these days, she has such a scowl and look of Disdain on her face. She doesn't look presidential more like one of the 7 dwarfs... She doesn't exude any warmth or charm. I really don't see her being our next Presdient, that doesn't mean she won't run though... Most of if not all of President Obama is he looks and talks Presidential, he just doesn't have the experience to be President and obviously he has proven us right. Condi is out of politics for good now. She is enjoying her private life and well deserved. Hillary has so many skeletons I think she has a hard time sleeping at night, JMHO...

vanwadreamer — December 16, 2013 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK Manthou, my question is.... which is which?

nailingit & timerick, I jumped to the "smart" phone when my Grandkids kept getting mad at me for not returning their texts. My old phone never got them, how did I know they were sending them. Since then, I've picked up a tablet as well. It only works on wifi but it's pretty cool. I learned to text and search by voice now, so much easier than trying to fat finger those little letters. As for Comcrap, it's not available where I live and for that I'm thankful, it made me jump to Dish and It's so much better. I also have Centurylink for internet and home phone as well since I don't get cell signal here either. Centurylink has been great and their prices are reasonable. The only thing I don't like is they don't carry the channel for BOCC meetings but I can get that online.

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There was a link last week to a Salon article about Third Way and conservatives. Here's another about their funding. Sorry, got distracted reading about Santa's being White, and didn't go back to see if it was the same article, or now. No idea this Santa has a color thing was going on, so after reading about Megyn Kelly, I Googled it...aaaack!

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 2:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"I always liked Condi Rice. I thought she was the best thing from the Bush years."

timerick — December 16, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.

Is that kinda like saying the best thing from the Great Depression years is Bonnie Parker? :)


I like Condi also. Charming, ( ) on a good day I geuss. :)) Plays a mean piano and digs Led Zep. But given her history, of which the article at 12:17 alludes to, and given her "mushroom cloud" statements and many others with the ramp up to the Iraq war, her overall work performance history, I'd take just about anyone before her for Prez. If it was a choice between her or Sebelius..........Condi is a Neo-Con to the max. If you love war and spending our money overseas then yes, Condi is a great pick for Prez.

May I ask, specifically, what is it about Condi that draws you guys to her?

I think the right has trumped up their love affair with Rice for a few reasons. One being yeah, she most likely is the best thing to come out of the Bush administration. But that's setting a bar so low Rohan Kokane couldn't get under!

"To somehow blame CR is far fetched at best. Our intellegence community at this time was very fragmented and there was a huge lack of sharing between entities."

I suppose it was also fragmented for the next eight years, It could explain the insane decision making and profiteering the Bush/CheneyRice/Rumsfeld crowd engaged in.

Really vanwa... Why are you the first to blame Obama for literally everything, yet so reluctant when allocating any type of blame to Bush & Co. when history gives us the means to do so. It's one thing to be partisan but.......

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 2:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.

And fingers point to the "centrist" austerity driven 'No Labels' movement in this same corporate elitist direction. Although as this article points out, (when this movement was getting off the ground) they lack the funding transparency they demand of others. And still do from what I can find.

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 3:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ODOT's public information officer is a former journalist named Don Hamilton, who used to work for the Columbian. I remembered his name as I was reading the bridge repair story today.

Hamilton was sacked by the C for allegedly breaking the law while gathering the news (climbed into an ambulance to view patient records on a computer). He had to hire his own attorney, as the C refused to pay to defend his actions. Now he works for ODOT. Hmmmm.

For those who claim The Columbian reporters don't have any ethical expectations of them, review this 2008 tale from the WW:

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye @ 1:57 pm: Please elaborate. Which is which what? My brain is frozen out here in Cleveland.

Drove by The Christmas Story House today on my way to the West Side Market (makes Pike Street Market look like a kid's lemonade stand). The house has been restored beautifully. I want a leg lamp to be framed in my window next year, if I can recreate the exterior colors, too. :)

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 3:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A lawyerly lesson in defamation for Don Benton, thanks to NPR and the Grinch:;=share

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 3:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 3:37

Not sure, but when hawkeye asked @ 1:57, he was referring to your quote from the Bill Moyer article on Salon. Moyer talks of major parties with radicals and enfeeblers. At least that what I guessed... probably should wait for hawkeye to say. The debate on having both descriptions fit aspects of both major parties could be exacting. And yes, that one paragraph did leap out to me also.

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — December 16, 2013 at 3:55 p.m.

You got it jacjak. That's what I was thinking. Who is who in that scenario. I can't call it.

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

now's the time when pols try to devine what it woul take from them to intice us to vote for them.

any suggestions?

for me, it'd have to be NO LIGHT RAIL for any candidate, it would be repair of roads and mostly keeping hands off anything else

for olympia, it would be to keep from spending money, ESPECIALLY in the population-dense areas. we in the hinterlands give and give, and get back...nothing.

locally, it'd be a joyous suprise if pols acted in the people's interests, not in a bank-account's interest.

DeeLittle — December 16, 2013 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Dee...

You know it's December, right?

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Clark County is not staving off suit-No response has met employee's tort claim; deadline near///

They don't seem too concerned. No worries?

As the French would say-

c'est la vie la madore et Meilke du commissaire!

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Pour la guillotine 300,000 de dollars!

And who pays for these guys screw ups but us. There oughta be a law...

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye and jacjak: I get it. Of course. Thx.

nailingit: This lawsuit is gonna be entertaining, but expensive. I cannot wait for the real "discovery" part. Oh, to be a fly on the wall during Benton, Madore, and Mielke's depositions. Anna Miller's too.

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You know it's December, right?

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.

Shines a whole new light on "absentee" ballot!

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 8:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — December 16, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.

The recall Madore movement seemingly has dwindled. Maybe the better route would be to remove Meilke citing mental incapacity, and fill his position with a counter Madore person giving way to a 2-1 reasonable majority.

Maybe this could be negotiated in settlement. That, and promise Benton a years coupon for free halibut sandwiches & burgers at Billygan's if he resigns. Meilke & Benton would be gone, and Madore would be left crafting meaningless resolutions while talking to himself. Problems solved!

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.

The problem with Condi and Hillary is there is not much difference between NeoCon and NeoLib. I am not a fan of their centrist philosophies. If we had a true left like Kucinich, or a true right like Paul or Johnson, we could end these wars, including the war on drugs. Everyone seems to be complaining about the "extremists", but that is what we need right now.

frobert — December 16, 2013 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — December 16, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.

Are you mad??? An "extremist" is never what we need. EVER! Just getting close to the edge of center is crazy. One could do irreparable damage to the Country, of course you'd like that, wouldn't you.

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 9:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.

Centrists like Bush and Obama have given us war, torture and assassination of citizens. I think a little antiwar extremism is just what we need.

frobert — December 16, 2013 at 10:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — December 16, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.

If you consider a neo-lib as one who ascribes to interventionist foreign policy then I agree when it comes to the war policies you mention, and the drug reference as well. Outside of that, both extremes could walk us off a cliff quicker than a Dubya deferment. I'm a bit troubled, in that I agree with you, so I figure something's amiss here. :)

Part of the problem with people seeing a view as "extreme", is that many times the view isn't extreme at all. Not when the majority of voters agree.

Please review the article @ -nailingit — December 13, 2013 at 10:02 a.m. THRU nailingit — December 13, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.

Most people agree with ending wars, holding wall street accountable, a strong ever increasing security net, a higher minimum wage, a higher tax bracket for the extreme wealthy and corporations, less foreign intervention and financial support, bringing jobs back to America and so on. But by the "centrist" standard, those views are many times touted as extreme, such as this corporate backed third way group and many media/politico entities..

The "middle" has lost it's way.


manthou & JJ

As a side note-this article was not only linked, but this section of article was posted last week. Get out the ginko! :))

"We don’t have emperors yet, but one of our two major parties is now dominated by radicals engaged in a crusade of voter suppression aimed at the elderly, the young, minorities, and the poor; while the other party, once the champion of everyday working people, has been so enfeebled by its own collaboration with the donor class that it offers only token resistance to the forces that have demoralized everyday Americans."

nailingit — December 12, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.

nailingit — December 16, 2013 at 10:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: You are always on top of the most newsworthy items nationally and I truly am sorry I missed your first post on Dec 12th. At least my feeble brain was able to identify which paragraph held the most power! Sometimes I don't read all the comments and links, especially when I am traveling and out of my daily schedule. The aged need reliable routines and familiar territory to be on their best game. :)

frobert: This centrist/extremist discussion here has certainly given me some new perspectives to ponder and I am glad to see you adding your opinion to the mix. It has been awhile.

manthou — December 17, 2013 at 5:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*** Bark of the Day! ***

Can the culprits claim the fifth in their potential depositions? If so, how are we going to find the truth?

What we need is a "Judas" within Madonis, Mielke and Benton's inner circle.... Somebody that will rat them out under pressure...real pressure.... Hmmmmmm Is Ferguson that good?

That's how's done....


nicepuppy — December 17, 2013 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — December 17, 2013 at 5:45 a.m.

No apologies needed manthou. I wasn't going to bring that out, but I thought what the hey, slow night. :) I know others, and most likely myself have done the same thing over time. If anything, it emphasizes a great statement. And it's cool when separated by print, so many are on the same wavelength.

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 8:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail as to your post on the 12th @ 9:44. Isn't it what our founders had in mind, to have both sides of any issue come to some reasonable conclusion to benefit the majority of the populace. We have not had that for more years than I care to remember. I have said before that we need to take the money that slides into the pockets of those we elect out of the situation. Until that happens we are not going to get any true representation from either the repubs.. or the dems. They have all lost the center.

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

With another another example of 'absentee' voter fraud, brings another case of republican suppression.

///Iowa Republican Spent $150,000 To Expose Voter Fraud, Instead Found Nothing Significant///

Although Schultz had expected to unveil “a lot” of voter fraud cases, the investigation so far has yielded just five guilty pleas and five dismissals, The Des Moines Register reported late Sunday.

Of the five guilty pleas, three of them involved felons who had completed their prison terms but whose voting rights had not yet been restored when they went to vote.

In another case, a woman cast an absentee ballot for her daughter, who had recently moved to Minnesota and told her mother that she had missed the registration deadline there. After learning her daughter ultimately did vote in Minnesota, the mother self-reported the double-voting incident to the local county auditor’s office, resulting in a $147.75 fine, according to The Des Moines Register.

In the fifth guilty plea, a man was incidentally charged with voter fraud after a drunk driving arrest revealed that he had stolen his dead brother’s identity to obtain a driver’s license.

Read more @

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 8:44 a.m.

I couldn't agree more timerick. It's a big reason this voter fraud hysteria is taking place. The common will of 'we the people' is being mitigated with these new voter suppression laws in red states. Demographics are changing in America and us old white guys are kicking & screaming.

It'll take a herculean effort to undo the conservative court's Citizens United decision which would be a wonderful thing. Money corrupts politics. Too much money destroys it.

I did call out the Dems @ December 16, 2013 at 11:08 a.m. Special interest rule the day, while American's interests fade in the background.

Until the playing field tilts toward income equality, little to no progress will happen. Put me in charge of drafting a new tax code and I'll get us on the right track! ;)

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail as to voter fraud I really haven't paid a lot of attention. But it would make sense to me to have some form of voter ID. We have to show ID for everything we do. Something as important as voting to me should require some ID. We are never going to have income equality we will always have those that are going to achieve more or less than others. But the tax code needs to reflect that those that make more should pay their fair share to include corporations. That is why I have liked a flat tax. You make a dollar you pay in a dime. No exceptions.

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

B 4 I go reading any further you just ripped my pants out on the BONNIE PARKER Comment.. I'm am so laughing.. Did ya watch the two part mini series this past week. Pretty good I thought.

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 10:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 10:07 a.m.

I did catch some of that vanwa. All of pt. 2 and a little of part one. Man, that Bonnie was something else. The part where she said "his head bounced like a ball" after shooting the cop was...yeeech! I don't know how much it mirrored what really happened, and certainly some of it is speculative, but if it's half accurate these guys were pretty rough. I've always been a big fan of the one with Beatty & Dunaway. A classic! (and anything with Gene Hackman is always great) The new one is pretty good but tough to beat the 67' flick, although great entertainment with the new.

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I didn't blame Osama on Obama, Never did..Don't know what you’re referencing... I and many others including what now 62% of the US population think he is over his head as president and doing quite frankly a terrible job at it.. Just saying...But those same statistics are about what Jimmy C was getting as President.. Just another Dem Failure.. I'm sorry that he has let down so many on many fronts...Hope & Chi Change.. Obama is our current president and has been for over 5 years. Time to quit blaming GWB.. Time to take responsibility, but that’s not what our president has ever done, has he.. Are you saying the same or similar things aren’t happening on Obama watch, Profiteering and “Insane” decision making.. Come on Man.. That is what the delusional left does, they just close their eyes and can’t wait till 16.. To get this guy outa there…If we actually had real Unemployment figures it would be just about 10.3% to 13.0% National unemployment. But the way there counting these days it looks much better.
What I said was it started under the CLINTON Regime...
Do you think Obama acts more like a President or an Emperor or King, seriously.. Probably should look at his actions first..... This is Wacky Tuesday BTW... How is his only prominent piece of legislation doing these days???THE AHCA… Not so affordable for so many.. I’ve answered your repeated questions about Obama now answer one for me… Do you think the president lied about the AHCA and knew the roll out was going to happen “Very Smooth” .. Do you think he lied about it was going to save us $2500 a year just so he could get some ground swell of support from folks like young healthy people, and the average middle class guy? Right now we’ve added 80% of those signed up to Medicaid and only 20% payees. That means it’s going to cost even more when the dust settles.

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.

I agree. The basic I.D. concept seems reasonable on the surface. What isn't reasonable is to address a problem that 1. Doesn't exist. 2. Absurd/onerous requirements make it difficult for the elderly, (to include Veterans) minorities and youth to exercise their basic right to vote. 3. The costs involved (such as in the Iowa post) are expensive and passed down to taxpayers.

///Ex-House Speaker denied voter card because of controversial Texas ID law///

Read more:

(and much of what is behind the right's motivations for these laws imo)

///Study: Voter ID law would exclude up to 700,000 young minorities///

///Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters///

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You got it jacjak. That's what I was thinking. Who is who in that scenario. I can't call it.

hawkeye — December 16, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.

With no references, links, or footnotes to back up my big mouth, the Which is Which seem technically interchangable as to the radicals and enfeeblers mentioned in the Moyer article. If he picked those two words as nouns or as verbs, they are interchangable even in english grammer.

Say the parties are viewed as spheres of clear glass, like crystal balls. The R's have definite cracks, some deep and defined easily. But the D's have lines too, very fine but more than R's and less obvious. Both are krackled, opaque, and cloudy to some extent. And while the cracks in the R sphere can cause the whole ball to fracture apart because of the deep obvious cracks, the D's multitude of fine lines does not make it less less susceptible to shattering. Both are in jeopardy, mainly because neither are the pure spheres of the last century. All Americans are amazingly individual, and with the added advantage of media to express, communicate, and be influenced, we're exploring ideas and thoughts we've never contemplated before. When Americans have as entertainment shows that glorify ignorance and even pride in that ignorance, we are being influenced. So are those who were ignorant or isolated but now know they are *somebody*. We all get to be the popular kids walking down the halls of our lives. Not many wallflowers around these days. Add to the mix those of us who have a sense of honesty or integrity. Do we look for any less of those traits in those we look up too? All leaders, no matter their medium... religion, politics, humanitarian, all cast an aura of what we expect to see. And, humans look for it in those we look up to in order to authenticate own ideas.

Psychologists love this kind of breakdown of why we are who we are, but every minute of every day each of us is thinking our very own thoughts and experiencing our reactions based specifically on those thoughts. Example - read 5 articles from any source and each of us will pick out parts that appeal, or dissuade, or cause new thoughts.

Ok, post too long again.

jacjak — December 17, 2013 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.

"I didn't blame Osama on Obama, Never did..Don't know what you’re referencing..."

Never said that. But we can blame Obama somewhat that Osama is sleeping with the fishes. As far as blaming Dubya, we're talking about extreme recent history (just a few years ago!!) Not only did we engage in unjust military actions, (and Obama has unjustly continued some of them, but has brought many actions to an end) but our economy was brought to it's knees! These are lessons we so desperately need to learn from. This quit blaming Bush thing the right is always bringing up doesn't wash in most cases. (hell, you're still blaming Carter :)

As far as legislative action, you might want to direct your questions to the House, much more appropriate. (oh yeah, they're on vacation)

Did he lie about the roll-out? I suppose it's how you would qualify that. I doubt if he considered the whining taking place concerning people having to get off their junk plans for better coverage. Politicians do stretch things in order to get things done. If this is the worst of Obama's offenses, and yeah, let's say he lied, then I'll more than take it compared to other president's sins in our recent past. All in all, Obama's truth telling has been more than decent comparatively. Think Dubya (could write a book)-think his dad (no new taxes)- think Clinton (Lewinsky) think Reagan. (Iran Contra)

Did you gripe about past presidents lies like you consider Obama has done? Right wing media really gets conservatives stirred up, many times forgetting the past.

As far as Obama acting more like a King than President-no doubt as a president. Evidently most of the country agrees with this as he was voted by a large margin back into office for a second term. This kind of talk seems to gain traction only within extreme RW media.

Obama's certainly not perfect, far, far from it. Considering he has divided government whose only purpose is to defeat him and not work with him, it's surprising he's gotten as much done as he has. Having said that, he could fight for much more. A lot of words in my opinion and not enough action or follow up.

He's terrible on the drone/wars front. Terrible at not demanding Wall Street accountability. Terrible at not forming relationships within his sphere, and several other matters. But I can only imagine where we would be at had Romney been elected. At war with Iran and failed austerity policies that screw the middle class and benefit the wealthy would be 'steroidally' enacted.

History will be more than kind to this president imo. Just think of the extreme mess he inherited and think of where we are now. (OOPS! That brings us back a few years to Bush and I guess it's something we can't talk about!) :)))

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Assuming your wondering aloud's are about--manthou — December 16, 2013 at 1:21 p.m. post...I think there's a bit of over thinking involved as to the what-who-why Moyers is referring to.

"our two major parties is now dominated by radicals engaged in a crusade of voter suppression aimed at the elderly, the young, minorities, and the poor;"

Dems aren't engaged in voter suppression. This is clear cut and speaking about republicans.

"while the other party, once the champion of everyday working people, has been so enfeebled by its own collaboration with the donor class that it offers only token resistance to the forces that have demoralized everyday Americans."

This is referring to democrats. Seems to be clear cut.

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Get off Junk Plans, That is certainly another Left leaning statement. My plan I have is not a junk plan and qualified to continue because it meets the same standards as ACA. Only problem my premium went up substantially.. I guess I'm paying for someone else to get better insurance... So Obama is breaking the countrys bank and putting this on US and future gens to pay for what are we at now 20 trillion in debt ....

He's terrible on the drone/wars front. Terrible at not demanding Wall Street accountability. Terrible at not forming relationships within his sphere, and several other matters. But I can only imagine where we would be at had Romney been elected. At war with Iran and failed austerity policies that screw the middle class and benefit the wealthy would be 'steroidally' enacted..

Demanding wall street acountability- Thats news
Building relationships- Yeah that guy over there where we can see him from our front Porch, "Putnum".. Yeah we have formed some good relations there...
And yeah creating a greater divide than ever between race and , Dems & Rep and Young vs Older.. Yep he has brought this Nation together the past 5 years..

Just think of the "Extreme Mess" the next President will Inherit.. Most likely 23-25 Trillion in debt, a Healthcare system that is broke, Were Disrespected by more people than ever around the world. Were becoming and even bigger "Peace maker" around the world than ever before. It's were on the BRINK of so much, just waiting for the first Pin to fall...The Dems in the senate and house are no more interested in your personal issues than the man on the moon. Do you really think any of them reps or dems care about you personally.. Write one of them and see what they'll do for you or me..

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 12:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa- What is your primary news source?

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 1:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer you and nail are more alike than different. What I read in the way both of you post is that you both want what is best for all of us peons. How to get there would not be as hard if we were to take the money away from career politicians. Our government has let Wall Street control the country for to long. Wall Street will never solve any of our problems. The greed involved has made it worse. I wish I knew how to bring back our manufacturing that the Government and wall street sent overseas. I believe it is gone forever. We need jobs for the middle class that are skilled or even semi skilled. We can't support a middle class on service jobs just to those that have money. We used to have several industries around here that young people could go to work at that paid very good wages. It did not require college to get into these jobs. We need these back. How I don't know. And our government seems to not have cared about this segment of our society for a very long time.

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail- What is your Primary news source?
I'll take, I use a few sources to gain some type of factual information. Wa Post, Guardian, Fox News, CNN, HuffPo, to name a few. It really depnds on the issue. Some actually cover certain issues better than others or more in depth.

This is a dem policy I think may be good for the country...

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You are absolutely correct. We are most certainly more alike than Different, with only a few differences..LOL:).. The method is always in the madness or for those who are trying to build a path to making a living while on this planet. If one looks at both the far left and far Right, it's easy to see the Far left folks are here to destroy our country and turn it into a socialistic Nation while those Tea Party folks are trying to protect the Constitution and our country. I remember when I was a kid playing with Magnets and when you had two that you couldn't get stuck to each other, That's how are two extremes are right now, and we have a President who is Far Left Liberal pushing these agendas.. There not here trying to fix what's wrong, there compounding the problems.
Our politicians don't give a rip about us. There too busy trying to get elected and re elected to keep their jobs. Those on the left are just now seeing what those on the right have seen for 5 years. Hope & Change just didn't work out and now there all sorry they signed on to back the ACA... When you take peoples hard earned money out of there pocket your Screwed. The divide Obama has created is now begining to come back at him and fast...

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 2:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"If one looks at both the far left and far Right,'s easy to see the Far left folks are here to destroy our country and turn it into a socialistic Nation...

... while those Tea Party folks are trying to protect the Constitution and our country."


nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I hope you didn't fall out of your chair.. Hey were both here to make the world a btter place, you and Me.. Will be gone a few dayshave to go outa town ....Talk to all later

vanwadreamer — December 17, 2013 at 3:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Be safe vanwa.

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


so you're putting the cause of our ills on Wall Street.

i'm not disagreeing with you, but i'd like a definition of what "wall street" means to you.

my posts give people the impression i'm an "aluminum foil hat wearing paranoid 6(per Lou) , but actually i'm a person who watches ALL power brokers. and because of that, i realize that our beloved USA is just another commodity in the international market.

so, i ask you: define what 'wall street' means to you.

DeeLittle — December 17, 2013 at 5:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 1:49 p.m. --- "We can't support a middle class on service jobs just to those that have money. We used to have several industries around here that young people could go to work at that paid very good wages. It did not require college to get into these jobs. We need these back. How I don't know."

That's one of the main reasons I'm against the Waterfront Development project - If they attain their goal of a small city with business offices, upscale apartments and trendy little shops, then that neighborhood will start complaining about the noise, dirt, etc, from the industry across the tracks in the Port. They'll be doing whatever they can to get City Hall to pass regulations to protect their own interests, to the detriment of the industrial operations in the Port.

roger — December 17, 2013 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Did you see the story on "my" building?

They started on the flower pots yesterday, I'm so glad I'm not digging those things out.

hawkeye — December 17, 2013 at 6:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

dee wall street is the big banks and multi national corporations that control every one of our senators and reps. They have for way to many years. That is why I say take the money away from the pockets of all our elected officals. Term limits? Maybe. Yes Hawk I saw the article. But that didn't look like you. By the way thanks for the candy bars today. Did I look like I needed them? Roger I totally agree with what you are saying about the water front project. The big problem the developers are going to have is going head to head with BNSF and Union Pacific. I don't think that Gramor has the power to fight them. The Port is our best hope for good paying jobs on this side of town. Roger did you see the posts I put to Jack Burkman. That man can side step a question very well. Pollard trained him well.

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye - Read the building article with interest, How long was the asbestos known about? We were ripping that stuff out of the old brick buildings on Ft Lewis when I was there 20 years ago. I'm finding it hard to believe the City knowingly dumped this problem on the school district.

Tim - I wouldn't say Jack was sidestepping so much as doing a bad job of explaining. When he gets into the details on something he knows about, he tends to get so far into the weeds he loses most of us. The County guy (Van Nortwyk - however he spells his name) explained all of that a couple of years back. A very simplified explanation is that they're shooting for a certain amount of money, and our tax bills are determined by last year's assessed value AND by the number of homeowners paying. When the values took a dump in 2007, the taxes didn't drop proportionately because they're were fewer paying them.

The thing that pisses me off is that the fire department and C-Tran can "lay claim" to a street through a residential neighborhood in the unincorporated County, and then speed limit enforcement becomes nonexistent. They'll put the speed bumps in in the City (like the roads behind the Mill Plain WalMart), or patrol heavily (86th Ave from 4th Plain to the hospital), but in County we get told the same controls can't be placed on the streets because the fire trucks won't be able to respond. Me - I love driving on 102nd Ave or 107th Ave, doing 25 mph because they're residential. They're posted 30, but screw that - and people are trying to do 35-40 anyhow. I declared war a few years ago when I found Mama Raccoon dead in the street - She used to walk her two kits on the fence down my back yard, and it pissed my cats off to no end (good - they need some humility in their lives).

roger — December 17, 2013 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — December 17, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.

Don't know about any candy bars. Sorry, someone's pulling your leg. Maybe Big Dog.

roger — December 17, 2013 at 9:06 p.m

I'm not really sure when the asbestos was found. There was more than what they thought initially, it was in the ceiling, under the tile and in the mud for the sheet rock. Even though the building was used by the City, it was always owned by the school district. Or so I was told. They had to scrape every surface inside and remove all sheet rock, HVAC, tile, linoleum and grind all the floors smooth down to the concrete.

hawkeye — December 17, 2013 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I’ve just returned from a local Safeway. So I’m standing in there line, waiting for my turn to get cashed out and I see a customer, two places in front of me, handing the store cashier some currency which looks likes its BLUE. The customer leaves, and then the women in front of me said something like: “is that money Blue? I’ve never seen that before”. The cashier says “Yes”. The cashier says it started showing up a couple of months ago in $100 bills. The Cashier had her own ideas about just what is going on which I won’t repeat. For the time being. Have any of you heard about US currency that’s blue instead of green?

I’ve looked up “Blue money” in a Google search, to no avail.

I’m really wondering if any of you have encountered the Blue $100 bills before.

kn_dalai — December 17, 2013 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — December 17, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.

I've got one of the new $100's but it isn't blue. It has a big blue stripe on it but that's about it.

hawkeye — December 17, 2013 at 9:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — December 17, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.

nailingit — December 17, 2013 at 9:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — December 17, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.

The printing on the bills I saw were blue. It wasn't just a stripe down the bill. As the woman in front of me also thought. Which started our short conversation. I've no idea what this means, but its not a usual greenback.

kn_dalai — December 17, 2013 at 9:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Monopoly-colored money? News to me. Shows you how often I get my hands on a hundred dollar bill. :)

Freeholder meeting on the 16th: I am impressed. Very thoughtful, informed comments and ideas. There seems to be a majority who favor increasing the commissioners and installing an appointed or elected exec so far. I find myself nodding in agreement most with Joe Zarelli. His comments are so well-expressed and demonstrates his experience. Kelly Sills is a gem staffer. Came from Alameda Co, CA and has loads of experience. Hope we can hold on to him and that he doesn't join the Brain Drain Train, leaving CC at regular intervals lately.

Ann Rivers gone again due to her foot surgery. Liz Pike in Hawaii.

manthou — December 18, 2013 at 5:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Lots of strange money stuff. Anyone tracking Bitcoin? It's some sort of phenomenon that's moving so fast on the investments, it's hard to get a handle of what it IS exactly. Basically, money has always been an idea requiring mostly a faith in the source, so online-type money, with no banks, nothing to hold, etc. is weird. Sort of like Neopets or Pet Rocks...

Looks like there is blue money...

jacjak — December 18, 2013 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: Remember before the election? You predicted that, if Bill Turlay won, his wife, Stephanie, would be running the mayor's office.

Well, check out APIL blog by Rice today! You are so right. She is actually commandeering his FB page and posting opinion FOR him!


manthou — December 18, 2013 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

This is going to be fun!!! I can't wait to see Madore, Meilke and Benton on the stand. I need to reserve my seat in the courthouse

hawkeye — December 18, 2013 at 3:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Yes Manthou I saw she was posting under his name. He did correct it in a later post. Nice that you have stop your own wife from posting stupid stuff under your own name. Maybe a shock collar would be a good idea.

timerick — December 18, 2013 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye I bet it won't go to court. Once they are deposed I would bet it gets settled. If settled out of court they both will keep their jobs. Madore is to smart to let it go to far. He doesn't want his ego bruised anymore than he has to. Benton on the other hand has no ego. In order to one you have to be smart. I don't see that in him. He relies on the direction of other people.

timerick — December 18, 2013 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Another 3.6 million dollars to settle a lawsuit against Clark County, which claimed it did not violate Federal or state law in storm water regs.

Just like it did not violate any laws by refusing to post Benton's gift job.

I know, I know. Mielke and Madore had nothing to do with the 2008 problems. But Benton is going to solve them?

I am beginning to have very serious concerns about the quality of legal advice Clark County is getting from its attorneys. Really. Maybe this is the department we should focus our anger on. Three have fled now or are getting ready to.

hawkeye: I'll pay for a seat at this trial. But I tend to agree with timerick: the county will settle with Largent.

manthou — December 18, 2013 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

If the County elects to settle with Largent, should this include a provision that she resign? How could she stay employed there after basically suing that her boss is unqualified to be her supervisor?

There's a real danger that the politics of this situation could taint the case itself, and making it advantageous for Largent to accept an offer when she may personally want to pursue the matter in court.

Discrimination isn't as easy to prove as some make it sound. There are hurdles, and the argument that Benton's legislative experience gives him a unique insight into working with state and federal agencies could be enough for a finding that while the usual hiring process wasn't followed, there was no overt attempt to discriminate.

Per the EEOC:

- MYTH: Discrimination is found in less than 2 percent of EEO complaints.
FACT: Discrimination may occur in up to 33 percent of EEO cases.
The 2-3 percent figure cited for the rate of discrimination findings is a statistic that only tells part of the story. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) strongly encourages early resolution of cases both before and after a formal complaint is filed. Of the 17,124 complaints closed in Fiscal Year (FY) 2010, 29 percent were resolved through settlements prior to a formal determination. Many of these resolutions contained favorable outcomes for the complainant, including monetary and non-monetary benefits. Additionally, in FY 2010, of 40,563 instances of pre-complaint counseling, 55 percent of potential complaints were resolved by settlement or withdrawal before a complaint was formally filed.

The thing going in Largent's favor is she tried for mediation first, and the County chose not to go along with this.

And a point I remember from a training course I was in about 15 years ago - Though you hear about suing for millions, the average EEO complaint settlement is (was) $30,000.

Yep - This could be interesting. Too bad the hearings probably won't be open for the public to attend.

roger — December 18, 2013 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Discrimination isn't as easy to prove as some make it sound.
roger — December 18, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.

You're right, and the process is lengthy. But, laws are on the books and precedences have been established regarding interpretations of those laws. Just today Costco lost the same type lawsuit for passing over women for promotion. It will cost them $8M.

I've not followed this as close as some, but as I understand it, she is suing the county because of the actual hiring process used, not because of who was hired. However, who was hired is bound to be part of it if there is any defense at all, mitigated or not. To assume Largent may be the one made uncomfortable if she chooses to keep her job at the end of all this, deminishes her right to recourse all over again. Why give Madore, Benton, and Mielke a pass on the workplace discomfort? There should be plenty to go around. If her leaving be part of any settlement, I can only hope her lawyer writes the terms for her.

jacjak — December 18, 2013 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak @ 8:29 am: Yes! If there is even a tiny, itty bitty iota of perceived retaliation against Anita Largent as she continues to try to perform her job at Clark County, the ante is upped and Clark County will make it worse for themselves.

Madore actually discussed this lawsuit, against Steve Stuart's quiet protests, on Tuesday at the BOCC hearing during his commissioner remarks. This was, I know, in full violation of what he has been advised.

Laws and policies don't apply to him. His public statements and FB posts prove that. The defense of BOCC is costing tax payers loads of money we cannot afford to lose.

Put that together with what appears to be very poor legal counsel advice and weak court defense performance, and Clark County tax payers will continue to pony up more money for litigation settlements. This year must be an all time high.

If I were Tony Golik, I would sit down with my civil division and review what works and what doesn't.

If I were a private client and my attorneys kept giving me legal advice and court performances that resulted in multiple massive monetary losses, I'd be looking elsewhere for quality counsel.

manthou — December 19, 2013 at 5:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I want to add, in all fairness, that maybe it is just impossible to defend a client, due to the client's inept, chronic bonehead actions.

Three of the top civil division attorneys have left or are in the process of leaving. Maybe it is less about their talents and more about the impossibility of defending buffoons.

And buffoonery may have been a Clark County disease long before Mielke and Madore came to work.

We, as tax payers, own this problem, whatever it is.

manthou — December 19, 2013 at 5:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

morning kids... Up early to take Wifey to work. ROADS ARE ICY!

As always, it is easy to get going but it is difficult to stop. Be careful out there.

hawkeye — December 19, 2013 at 6:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

The roads around Brush Prairie are icy-dicey but I-205 south of Padden Parkway down to Clackamas isn't too bad although there could still be issues, peoples. I agree with careful out there. Give the guy in front of you a bit of space.

Tomorrow morning may be even more interesting.

goldenoldie — December 19, 2013 at 6:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

They were pretty slick here in Vancouver early, but they seem fine now.

frobert — December 19, 2013 at 10:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This is good.

jacjak — December 19, 2013 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

(I come climbing out from beneath my rock)

It's better'n 'nuthin...I guess, jackie-jack.

The thing is, the plant count really isn't representative of net yield. And 'excessive' yield is what the booze board wants to keep in check, whether it be medicinal or recreation pot. Because that leads to diversion. Diversion means weed crossing the state line. That means the feds... Well, you get it?

I normally run about ten plants. My average yield is an ounce a month. That's it. But you see, I use only fluorescent lighting. I don't run those 1,000W HIDs you see in all of the news stories. The best I can figure the electricity cost for my little grow is around 10 bones a month. When I started out growing my goal was to provide myself with cannabis for the least overhead possible. I've been doing a fairly good job doing just that. I don't think I can make it with six plants. Not without investing in a bunch of fancy equipment and using way more in power. The household wiring could become an issue, too.

The are other rather onerous recommendations in the WSLCB document. Which, BTW, they didn't see fit to release to the public before submitting to the legislature - even though I made that request from Mikhail Carpenter.

The doctor-tightening-up-thing looks good on paper. The only BIG problem with it is if the legislature says a doc can't be a "cannabis specialist" then each and every vet who both utilizes cannabis and relies on the V.A. for their health care will be hosed. My Primary Care Physician approves of my medicinal use. Heck, is encouraged (as am I) by the efficacy. My PCP can't write a rec. because his employer won't allow it.

As far as the registration goes I'm on the fence. My only real concern there is cost. The cost patients must bear to support the program. Many patients are on real tight budgets.

I've printed off the final WSLCB draft. Come morning -I'll- draft. Come day after tomorrow I'll edit my draft and send it to my legislators. "Write drunk, edit sober" (Hemingway ;^)

The answer to the (perceived) problem is really rather simple: clarify the current law and enforce it. Sheesh. BTW, in the budget proviso (section 141) 2.5 million dollars was appropriated in an effort to have the liquor, revenue and health departments gut the current medicinal cannabis law(s) (69.51.a). And, don't think for one moment that isn't the intent.

Yeah, I suppose six plants is good, jackie.
"I'll take 'affirmative defense' for $10,000, Alex." Oh, and being disabled and of minimum means, you guys will pay that 10 grand for me, right? I mean, isn't that a slice of our taxes? ☺

Drift — December 19, 2013 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, if you don't know anything about Phil Robinson and the show Duck Dynasty, you might want to study up. Old Phil made some remarks about homosexuality that were considered inappropriate by the network bosses, and A&E; suspended him "indefinitely" from the show. Phil's beliefs and remarks are/were due to his conservative religious beliefs, and I'll be highly surprised if he makes the usual conciliatory apology expected in these situations.

Just one problem. Duck Dynasty is about the only one of those reality shows that's actually watchable (Pawn Stars is the only other one I've watched), and they've got quite a following. In fact, they're the highest rated nonfiction show in cable TV history. This fight has been brewing for a couple of years. The show ends with the entire family gathered around the dinner table, with Phil (the family patriarch) leading them in saying grace. The producers wanted Phil to quit saying Jesus Christ and make the prayer neutral, so as to not offend nonChristian viewers. Phil refused. The producers wanted to have a little swearing, and the family refused - they don't condone that language. When the producers introduced using bleeps to simulate this, old Phil went on the talk show circuit to set the record straight.

So why care about a bunch of swamp rats from Louisiana? Well, A&E; has been getting creamed by the public backlash against their decision. There are at least two First Amendment camps - speech and religion - that are working at turning this into a national referendum on "out of control political correctness" - and several politicians (of the Red State ilk) are weighing in.

I'm sure Rachel and the crowd will be heard from shortly - and in the finest Point/Counterpoint tradition - Over to you, Nails.

roger — December 19, 2013 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So, Phil Robertson regurgitated some verses from the Bible and talked about his thoughts on "sins", if you will. What are we raising here a nation of pansies? Get over yourselves. Watch the movie PCU and laugh at the joke political correctness is. Think about this... Telling people what to say and do is akin to keeping them "in the closet". They are not allowed to express who they are. How can honest dialogue ever hope to be used in this country to solve problems if we all get "offended" because it may not be the view we, ourselves have?

ELISI — December 19, 2013 at 8:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 19, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.

My Granddaughter loves the show, I can't stand it. Way too "country bumpkin" for me. The only "reality" show I watched was Cops. The first reality show. Pawn Stars isn't really a reality show, everything is set up and edited. Those people actually have to pay to get in to buy or sell.

hawkeye — December 19, 2013 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ELISI — December 19, 2013 at 8:35 p.m.

Think about it, for Phil, it's about his beliefs, for A&E;, it's about ratings and money. Guess who will "win".

hawkeye — December 19, 2013 at 8:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There oughta be a law.

///Tea Party Lawmakers Take Secret Trip To Libya, Israel, Egypt///

WASHINGTON -- A group of high-profile tea party Republicans are overseas this week on a taxpayer-funded trip to Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Israel, Austria and Norway. GOP Reps. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Steve King (Iowa) and Louie Gohmert (Texas) arrived in Egypt on Saturday for the weeklong congressional delegation trip, or CODEL for short, The Huffington Post has learned.

This is the second time in six months that Bachmann, King and Gohmert have visited the Middle East to deliver messages that seemingly challenge the Obama administration's foreign policy. At a time when U.S. relations with the Middle East, and Israel in particular, are incredibly delicate, the visit by some of Congress' most conservative members could send complicating, if not conflicting, signals to key allies.


While the details of the lawmakers' meetings in Libya have not been made public, Bachmann, King and Gohmert are among the House Republicans who believe the Obama administration conspired to cover up the circumstances of the 2012 death of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens in Benghazi, Libya. Late last year, King said that while he didn't know the chronology of events surrounding Stevens' death, whatever happened is "a lot bigger than Watergate, and if you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is."

The three representatives have often been at odds with other elements of the president's foreign policy as well. On a visit to Egypt in September, Bachmann, King and Gohmert taped a video message highly critical of former Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi at a time when the administration was publicly rebuking Morsi's successors, a military-led government, for allegedly violating human rights. Bachmann even went so far as to suggest that Morsi's political party, the Muslim Brotherhood, was responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

"We have seen the threat that the Muslim Brotherhood has posed around the world. We stand against this great evil," Bachmann said in a YouTube video. "We remember who caused 9/11. We remember who it was that killed 3,000 brave Americans."

Not to be outdone by Bachmann, Gohmert took to the House floor in November to argue that U.S. relations with Israel should be guided by the Bible.

Speaking of the escalating tension between the United States and Israel over the current nuclear negotiations with Iran, the Texas congressman also said that unless the Obama administration "can find a verse that accurately says that those who betray Israel will be blessed, then this country is being dug in a deeper hole by this administration and its betrayals of Israel’s trust."

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nailingit — December 19, 2013 at 9:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 19, 2013 at 8:11 p.m.

I turned to CNN a bit ago and they were discussing this Duck Dyno thing, only it was something about racist remarks being made by some on the duck show, and not the gay thing.

After about 20 seconds I switched channels and thought to myself, this must be in part why CNN ratings are in the toilet.

I noticed Huffpo is carrying it. Then again they also report on...

///Gregg Casarona, 440-Pound Virgin, Sent Girlfriend To ER During First Sex Romp///

Love can crush you.

Gregg Casarona was 21 and 440 pounds when he lost his virginity to his then-girlfriend, 22-year-old Jen Gerakaris, in a tryst that would send her to the emergency room, according to the New York Post.

The sheer force of Casarona's weight on top of Gerakaris, who weighed about 110 pounds, sent her flying backward, her head plowing through the sheet-rock wall of the Long Island basement where they were getting down and dirty.

“My initial reaction was, 'I killed her,'" Casarona told The Post. Luckily, he was wrong -- Gerakaris wasn't even knocked unconscious. He did take her to the hospital, though, where she was diagnosed with a concussion.

Just not into reality shows at all.

Duck Dude has a right to say what he wants and the network has the right to shut him up. Martin Bashir just got canned from MSNBC for not being PC about wingnut Palin.

It's all about dollars and 'sense' I suppose.

nailingit — December 19, 2013 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — December 19, 2013 at 9:47 p.m

"Duck Dude" didn't say it on the program, it was in an interview with GQ. Martin Bashir never got fired, he left on his own.

ELISI — December 19, 2013 at 10:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


picky picky picky...

ELISI- Many times someone is asked to "resign" when they screw up. It's a matter of that or getting the ax. In Bashir's case, given the dynamics, there's no doubt. This one is obvious, and I suppose one can parse words but..

""Duck Dude" didn't say it on the program,"" Never said he did. Again, Duck Dude has the right to say what he wants and the network has the right to shut him up.

Not sure of any point here. But hey, comments are down so what the hell...

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 3:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Never said he did."---- "remarks being made by some on the duck show"

(This is what I get for being sick and sleeping weird hours)


I'm amazed at what attention this Duck thing is getting. I mean, who gives a flying anything about what this guy says or believes? This has nothing to do with First Amendment rights. No one is threatening to jail this guy over his remarks.

I totally don't get what many (and I have some family members into a few) get out of these reality type shows. For that I'm thankful.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 4:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 4:10 am: These reality trash shows are changing our culture for the worse. They are de-sensitizing us to cruelty and creating entertainment out of others' pain. I suspect there is a collective sigh of relief when viewers realize that others have it much worse than they do. Some traditional news media outlets are buying in to this genre as a way to increase page hits and audience numbers, unfortunately.

Nieman Labs published an article recently that predicts a new focus on audience quality, not quantity.

manthou — December 20, 2013 at 5:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone else notice the Wednesday circus at Clark County, reported by Stephanie Rice on APIL?

Benton and HIS crony, Chris Clifford (it all rolls downhill) seem to have overstepped process again, bypassing attorneys and the public information office to issue their own "press release."

Notice Clifford's typos and factual errors that Rice so documented well:;_medium=rss&utm;_campaign=clark-county-variety-hour

manthou — December 20, 2013 at 6:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

There's a problem with saying reality shows are changing our culture (for the worse) - We have no single or "American" culture to be changed. We are a hodgepodge of different regional beliefs and values, and immigration has historically brought new ones to the mix.

Like it or not, those "reality" shows represent someone's world. Snookie and friends remind me of the people I knew and met when I used to go to Philly and to the Jersey shore. The Kardashians are the same clowns I detested when living in the LA area. And the Robinsons remind me a great deal of the people I knew throughout the rural South.

roger — December 20, 2013 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I watch very little T.V.

There's the morning news followed by the 700 Club then I change the T.V. over to the music channel. I'm up moving around before the news goes off though. When Mrs. D gets home she switches over to regular programming. Sometimes I watch Jeapordy or Wheel of Fortune while having dinner (we don't eat at the table. heck we don't have a table). Other than bull riding and a few other sports (not basketball or football) that's about it.

I didn't know what a Kardashian was until I was told. I've never watched that Duck thing. Now that I think about it, I -have- watched Swamp People a couple of times. Maybe three.

Nope, I don't care much for T.V. entertainment. Nope, not much a'tall.

Drift — December 20, 2013 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

These reality trash shows are changing our culture for the worse.
manthou — December 20, 2013 at 6:01 a.m

I would have to agree with that statement on most of these shows, ones like "Honey Boo-boo" and "Jersey Shore" or is it "Snookie and JWow" or whatever..disgusting shows.
I have to agree with Roger about the Kardashians crowd being "clowns" for hire, anything to get attention.

Phil Robertson went to Southeastern Louisiana University (Louisiana Tech) with Terry Bradshaw, Bradshaw was Robertson's back-up quarter back on the football team. Robertson (teaching degree) chose to not go pro like Bradshaw did. Will Robertson (son) went to Harding University (business degree), oldest son has been a minister for 22 yrs.
From what I have read, Phil Robertson started making duck calls 40 yrs ago. As the sons grew up, they went to college. They came home and put their degrees to work in the family business growing it to a multi-million dollar business of sports gear and clothing.
Isn't this one of many," American dream" , building a business from the ground up, generations of your children and grandchildren running the business? So the Robertson family is not uneducated nor are they country bumpkins. They are simply a family that believes in God and the Bible, and has made no bones about it.
It's refreshing to watch a TV program that isn't filled with cursing, sex, and violence against other humans.
I like the fact the family gathers at the dinner table at the end of the day. It shows no matter what, at the end of the day, one of the most important things is your family.

As I said last night, "Telling people what to say and do is akin to keeping them "in the closet". They are not allowed to express who they are. How can honest dialogue ever hope to be used in this country to solve problems if we all get "offended" because it may not be the view we, ourselves have?"

ELISI — December 20, 2013 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Something to keep in mind (maybe) about this Duck thing is -it is- a T.V. show. There's writers (yes, even in "reality" shows) producers and directors. A&E; has a vested interest in the program, advertisers as well. It's a business, plain and simple. And not the Robertson's.
They are the commodity - to be sold as the business owners see fit.

Drift — December 20, 2013 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I am so glad to read comments from other readers who are using their noggins when it comes to this Duck D BS!!!

Manthou...your comment on December 20, 2013 at 5:12 a.m. my opinion...absolutely on the bullseye! People need to realize these "reality" shows are far from reality. We are witnessing the extreme...the make believe. Ohh...if they'd only use their brains to use their remotes or their little index finger to shut off the television and experience life as it is...not as the TV networks and entertainment industry are trying to coerce the world to accept that which is not real. If in the credits of the show, it states "Script Editing by..." you know it's not the real deal.

goldenoldie — December 20, 2013 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

There are numerous other giveaways about these reality TV shows which shows they are only real in the eyes of the writer...another one -

"Story by..."

goldenoldie — December 20, 2013 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

*** Bark of the day! ***

Are you listening ya dumb slaves?

You don't even know that you are enslaved do you?

The way you are, makes you lose job, family, kids.....everything even self!!!!!!!

Why? It is because you don't know better and you always want more and more and more, you are never satisfied with a simple and loving life. You have to get up early otherwise you starve. The tax and the rich man forces you to accept, 9 for me, 1 for you. At the same time they poison your food, air and water, expose you to chemicals and profit from your slow demise buy making you buy the poison in the first place and then apply the pretend game for the cure....

Isn't something basically wrong with this "evil model"? Hell yeah there is....the problem is that you are too numb to realize it and change it, and you take it, and take it, for generations thinking that tomorrow it will get better...

It will never get better dumb ass! Read history....It seems that only Ghandi pulled it off but ended up in a similar trap, most others died in the process!


Great article about Benton's Environmental Office and the press release especially Stuart pulling the rabbit on Benton! It should have been a kick on the a$$ instead. Get to jogging Stuart, you are puffing up!


nicepuppy — December 20, 2013 at 10:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

A Forum Note:

Even though I'm paid up with Columbian subscription the firewall came up on my screen telling me to subscribe if I wish to go further. Called the subscriber desk, and after a few minutes it was suggested I log out & in again and that didn't work. Then suggested I log in via firewall and that got me in. So if it happens to anyone here, try logging out and logging back in again on the firewall prompt as it worked for me. (glad I'm not trying to sign up for health care-this is enough of a hassle)

You guys who dig reality shows, the Prez is about to hold a press conference.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Quote For The Day:

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. ~ Socrates

Did anyone else catch Obama today? You'd never know the stock market is booming, economy numbers are great, the housing market has stabilized, and ACA enrollment is up.

Merriam-Webster should include today's press conference in their definition of monotone. What a sleeper. Unless this guy gets some kick, gets passionate about what he believes in, (I'm still wondering on many fronts what those beliefs are) speaks with passionate resolve, (even if he has to fake it) and personally takes on the progressive agenda which he espouses, (such as raising the minimum wage for federal contract workers) he's going to watch his base slowly slip away costing Dems a fruitful election next year.

So many items and issues to counter republicans with nowadays. I know this isn't a popular stance with a few, but he needs to display some partisan resolve remembering elections are in the near future. Right now I see pick ups in the House (though not enough to take it) and the Senate is a crapshoot.

One big ticket item Democrats can count on is republicans destroying themselves with this latest wave of faux "puritanism". Obama and Dems need to exploit this.

Example: Glenn Beck: Chris Christie a ‘fat nightmare’

(I agree with Beck for once, just for different reasons)

It's clear RW media pundits seem to be the leaders of the republican party. From Limbaugh to Beck to O'Reilly to Fox, no matter how wild, insulting and untruthful they are, they seem to hit the right buttons with conservatives.

Kinda like Climate change isn't real, the earth is 6000 years old, people will suffer in an eternal burning hell for not recognizing Jesus as savior, gay people are evil, and so on.

Let's give undivided government a chance once again for two years and see what gets done.

Forgive me or not, just wanted to scream but I have a sore throat.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


So Marco Rubio says were now the President wants to have a "Fire Sale" for cheap Health Insurance. His signature plan is flopping and now he wants to tweak it even more. What didn’t the president hear from the Top Insurance folks just a few weeks ago? You can’t just change things because you want to…Well that is not going to fly in our state. Mr. Kriedler has made that clear. Were still running about 75/25 for people signing up for Medicaid plans...What’s not happening are the millions of young people enrolling in Very expensive plans to offset the cost for those signing up for Medicaid plans. In addition the 7 million people who have lost their plans under the new regulations are going to be forced to buy plans that are more expensive or do nothing at all and bite the bullet. We’re seeing allot of action but people are still waiting to purchase thinking things will change even more in the coming months. We’re seeing Families saying it's just too expensive. You can put off purchasing a plan till mid march if you want coverage come April 1st, but after that you will have to wait till the next enrollment period.

As far as the 14 midterm elections go, this could be the time the Rep takes more control of the House and actually get close in the senate. Couple things they will need to do are have a message and a plan. Neither party has one at this time. Who knows what the woes will be on Obamacare at that time, I'm sure it will have an impact as well as dems not wanting the president to dump with them. He has now become baggage with what has happened in 2012 and 2013...Working together doesn't seem like it's going to happen this coming year until after the midterm elections.

vanwadreamer — December 20, 2013 at 1:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So Marco Rubio says were now the President wants to have a "Fire Sale" for cheap Health Insurance.

vanwadreamer — December 20, 2013 at 1:45 p.m.

This is big news! Not what the Rube said, but that anyone still listens to him.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwa, really? The repubs will have to do much more than come up with a plan. They will have to actually HAVE a plan that they can use instead of the last one they failed at. And they might want to try to pull their team together and provide a united front. But I doubt they will be able to pull that off in the limited amount of time that they have. Maybe in the next four to twelve.

hawkeye — December 20, 2013 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.

Well, though a whole lot of people hold a mistaken belief that the Press should be impartial, All Politics continues to show that this isn't true.

Erik does a good job - much funnier than the contrived humor of Temple Lentz. But I'd sure like to see him take on some others. For example, the conversation Steve Stuart had with Ed Barnes about elk hunting a couple of meetings back - Sounded like a couple of Elmer Fudds swapping tales to me. (I oppose sport hunting, by the way.)

roger — December 20, 2013 at 6:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — December 20, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.,

Agreed - Boehner should have put the Baggers on notice a couple of years ago. What he pulled off to get the budget through the House doesn't begin to fix what's happened to that party over the past few years. (Not that I'm complaining. Now, if we can also get people to see that the Dems are just as morally corrupt in their own way, maybe we can get replace both parties. But that's asking for too much, I suppose.)

roger — December 20, 2013 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ron Goodman was nice enough to post a copy of the County's Human Resources Policy Manual. I don't see where the argument is -

Policy No. 1.0, Purpose and Scope of Manual
1. Board of County Commissioners: (A lot of stuff related to setting pay scales, etc.)
2. County Administrator Authority: The County Administrator is delegated authority from the Board of County Commissioners to approve new policies, revisions, and exceptions in the following areas:
a) Recruitment and selection practices: Recruitment policies, pre-employment testing and appointment procedures, affirmative action and equal opportunity measures, transfer, promotion, and demotion policies.

Madore and Mielke were clearly out of their lane.

roger — December 20, 2013 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 20, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.

Erik does display a great sense of humor. I think manthou (maybe someone else?) said he was leaving the C soon? I hope not. He puts together some great writes and I appreciate him engaging on the FB side. Something most who work for this paper won't do. (Temple Lentz comment-Ouch!)

roger — December 20, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.

As far as Boehner goes, I'm thinking what he did was a one off, and not indicative of future dealings. We'll have to wait and see on that. Most likely depends on how full his coffer is. Obstruction is a big money ticket for these guys.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Woosker-I miss you! I miss your common sense conservatism.

Woosker pops in a couple times a year, then leaves. Something about the woosk reminds me of this scene...

What happened to langenthal, luvit and some others? I hope they didn't go bye-bye by the way of no pay.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Professional Canucking gets a years reprieve!

///Canada's Anti-Prostitution Laws Struck Down By Supreme Court///

TORONTO (AP) — Canada's highest court struck down the country's anti-prostitution laws in their entirety Friday, including against keeping a brothel.

The 9-0 Supreme Court ruling is a victory for sex workers seeking safer working conditions because it found that the laws violated the guarantee to life, liberty and security of the person. But the ruling won't take effect immediately because it gave Parliament a one-year reprieve to respond with new legislation.

Prostitution isn't illegal in Canada, but many of the activities associated with prostitution are classified as criminal offences.

The high court struck down all three prostitution-related laws: against keeping a brothel, living on the avails of prostitution, and street soliciting. The landmark ruling comes more than two decades after the Supreme Court last upheld the country's anti-prostitution laws.

The decision upheld an Ontario Court of Appeal ruling last year that struck down the ban on brothels on the grounds that it endangered sex workers by forcing them onto the streets.

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nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What happened to langenthal, luvit and some others? I hope they didn't go bye-bye by the way of no pay.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.

Holiday activity and travel could be another reason it seems a bit... slow. Was nice to read nicepuppy and goldenoldie drop by.

nailingit - Sorry you're under the weather (silly phrase, really) Starve a cold, feed a fever, drink booze for sore throat. Really. My dad used to put hot water, honey, lemon, and whiskey in a mug. Made us drink it....yuck when you're a kid, but it's sweat the crap out of a cold or sore throat. As an adult probably same results, but if not at least you'll sleep better.

About reality TV. Tried Survivor and American Idol once or twice because of all the hype and talk, but find the constructed drama and faked emotion tedious. X-factor had bugs and gross stuff so never even tried it so could be thinking of the wrong reality show. Plus, there's lots of good stuff on tv, if you have cable or dish. Reality shows are just a emotional ride for the viewer, and it's not for me. Guess stuff like Candid Camera and Newlywed Game would count as Reality because of that same 'dramatic scene' where the new wife huffs at the new hubby. Liked Candid Camera way back when, tho. Shows like Oprah or Springer are certainly Not For Me. Whether reality shows are changing the culture 'for the worse' or not is a matter of opinion. Catfish hand fishing, or swamp shows or duck whistles or whatever that one is, is not for everyone. I liked the idea of the guy who build awesome fishtanks but yes, it had to have the drama or the fight or the pissed customer or whatever. But yes, from the very first one...whichever that was, it was about VIEWERS. Need more viewers? Do/say/be something controversial. Need more PR? Same thing. Politicians, movie stars, writers...whatever the entertainment, they all know it, many use it... no matter the technique, performance, or execution the results are the same... Americans love their celebrity fixes, and if we can get them while incorportating their own views, so much the better.

Tomorrow -- Winter Solstice. Weird to think this weather the past few weeks was in Autumn.

jacjak — December 20, 2013 at 9:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Las Vegas here I are!!! 50 degrees at 10pm.... Weird. Looking forward to the Cheesecake Factory for my birthday dinner, never been there but I hear it's great.

hawkeye — December 20, 2013 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — December 20, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.

I used to dig Candid camera also.

My wife is addicted to the singing shows. XFactor/Voice/Idol. Once in awhile she'll rope me in to watch for a bit if someone is especially talented. Today's and most of yesterday's pop music is not my thing. By & large if it's easy to dance to I'm prone to a headache. But there are some exceptions. Guilty pleasures? I do watch when Christina Aguilera (on The Voice) performs. She's the real deal. Her voice leaves my jaw in my lap. A little all over the place at times, but that VOICE, perhaps the best in the biz. (and she's a military brat which I respect) Anyway, I'll return to my Hendrix/Floyd/improve jazz & blues stuff tomorrow. Just thought to share these fantastic pipes. She's the whole package.

Two Christmas tunes-A song about prayer-And some Stones intervention.

What a voice!

Live with me-

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 11:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — December 20, 2013 at 11:03 p.m.

Have fun & Happy Birthday! Be safe. Lotsa different kinds of crazy down there.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 11:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Erik Hidle is leaving at the end of December to free lance the Winter Olympics in Russia, according to his Tweets. I will miss his critical coverage of all things BOCC. He is going out with a bang, though.

roger: Tim Leavitt and others have been spoofed on APIL. I just think Mielke, Madore, Benton, and now Chris Clifford are providing much more timely material at which to poke fun and dissect right now. All this litigation settlement money we are bleeding tells me that the BOCC has been ruled by a series of foolish decisions (and maybe fools) for a long time now. BTW, I am not amused by Steve Stuart's bunny ears bomb of Benton at the so-called "press conference" but I am glad the Columbian captured the moment. Six figures a year these guys get. It is an executive salary and I expect executive behavior.

hawkeye: Enjoy your holiday and celebrate the passing of another year on Earth!

manthou — December 21, 2013 at 6:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I don't always agree with you, but when I do....

Anyhow, after listening to your links I went looking for some of my favorite Aguilera (Candyman, for example, and some of the jazz blues covers from Etta James.) But I ran across this - a Christmas song from when she was still a kid - And already an accomplished singer. Silent Night, from 1991.

roger — December 21, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — December 21, 2013 at 6:13 a.m. ,
Perhaps I'm off base, but it seems to me that since Andrea left, APIL has become quite a bit more "focused" in their coverage. Maybe it's as you say - who's doing what at the time. But they're (conveniently?) ignoring a few other opportunities.

The C-Tran Board minutes alone provide a number of opportunities. The May 13 minutes have Steve Stuart making the motion that Jeff Hamm is to engage in a discussion with TriMet over the light rail agreement, and to report back in August with the details as this would give time to get the financing plan on the November ballot. Stuart reiterates in almost every meeting subsequent to that time that a vote for ANY funding method is required per C-Tran Board policy. Until we get to October, that is. Stuart - Aye (approve entering into a contract and no vote needed).

We can peruse the June 13 C-Tran minutes and find an extensive discussion on why The 4th Plain BRT is not really high capacity transit (HCT) and therefore a vote by the C-Tran district isn't required for funding. This all conveniently ignores that the 4th Plain BRT is the first of three phases of the County's high capacity transit plan, as set forth by the SW Wash RTC in 2008.

Just perhaps we could have had a comparison to "Gavel Down" drawn when Leavitt threw his fit because Madore talked too much and some people have better things to do that sit in meetings?

Or why are they so eager to jump on Turlay's wife when she goes of the deep end (again - he really needs to make sure she takes her meds), but they conveniently ignore that Ed Barnes continues to drone on ad nauseam - why not point out his 15 minutes expired about 4 hours ago?

No - I maintain there is a distinct bias in APIL these days.

roger — December 21, 2013 at 7:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger @ 7:45

I checked out the APIL site to see who was being 'eager' about Turlay's wife. I saw the actual hijacked post and Turlay's disclaimer when it happened on FB side, and wanted to compare. I didn't sense 'eager' anywhere in the APIL coverage, or any references to her being on meds, and there were no comments at the end so perhaps even the readers of the blog gave her and the blog a pass. Looked like just a rerun of the FB side of the incident. Actually, any small sarcasm that could have been perceived if someone was Really looking, would have been regarding Jack Burkman, but even that's a stretch. What'd I miss?

jacjak — December 21, 2013 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 21, 2013 at 7:45 a.m.

Maybe, just maybe they allow Ed to keep going because 1) it's not resolved yet and 2) this is exactly what Madore did at EVERY city council meeting from the beginning of the CRC.

As for Turlay's wife, that's just one of those opportunities that come along once in a great while.

Woke up to bright sunshine this morning, very strange for this time of year. Not used to being this far South ay Christmas time.

I'll check back and report from Sin City as time permits. I got the notice today that I only had 20 more visits. Don't know when he month starts or stops but I suppose I might have to cough up the dough.

hawkeye — December 21, 2013 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Have fun & Happy Birthday! Be safe. Lotsa different kinds of crazy down there.

nailingit — December 20, 2013 at 11:32 p.m.

Boy, you said a mouth full there. I have to re-learn to drive when I come back home. These fools are AGGRESSIVE!!!!

hawkeye — December 21, 2013 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Have a happy birthday Hawk. We will hold the fort for you.

timerick — December 21, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I read Lou's opinion piece every Saturday. We all know what the M&M; boys and Benton have done the last few months. I would like to see Lou focus on some other issues that we have that seem to take a back page or go unnoticed. A big one for me would be the road improvement problem we seem to have all over the city especially east of down town. Also lets see him dig in to C-Tran. Or follow the money that was unaccounted for from the CRC project. We know we have a problem with Clark County Board. And some of that will come out more with the upcoming litigation. Lou and this paper seem to have a case of tunnel vision and are letting other things go by the wayside.

timerick — December 21, 2013 at 11:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 21, 2013 at 6:54 a.m.

Great vid! Truly born for stardom. Exceptional talent to the max.

timerick — December 21, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.

I enjoy a Benton hit piece as much as anyone, but I thought this weeks Press Talk was particularly biting. Kinda mean spirited comparing it to the others Lou took a shot at today. (although kinda harsh with the "stinky school guy")

I've noticed the 'Don't Do Stupid Stuff' mug isn't the only mug he puts on display week after week after week.

It would be refreshing to read something substantive besides M&M;&B.;

Mirror mirror on the wall...

nailingit — December 21, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

They need to pay John Laird whatever it takes to get him back out of retirement. Jayne does OK, but he's just not that interesting - I'll finish, think "good article", and move on. Lou gets a quick glance, and a scan to see if there's an interesting argument in the comments. Laird could be writing for the tenth week in a row about canning the electoral college, and he'd still get the Hounds spun up - he was that good.

roger — December 21, 2013 at 2:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Geez - Hardly anyone posting on the facebook side - I was even reading 3 week old articles on Political Beat. Someone had an article on the names of all the different pot stores planned, and it got me to thinking. Wonder if we'll see the dancing arrow people out front of the stores advertising for them?

Which got me to wondering how much they make. Surprise! There are countless articles about the dancing Little Caesar's pizza guy - seems that's everywhere, and not just 4th Plain and 117th Ave. The best answer to my question was ---

"When I was in high school, I worked at a pizza place with a sign holder. The guy made $9 an hour, which is more than the rest of us made. It wasn't a hard job, but he couldn't stand dancing on the street corner with a pizza sign for several hours unless he was stoned. So he spent so much money on weed that he had to quit the job, because the job caused him to spend more money on weed than he was making."

BINGO!!!! Instead of $9 per hour and all the food you can eat, it'll be a couple of hits at every break.

Here's a ground floor opportunity for the Basement - we can corner the street advertising market - signs, pot leaf costumes (Hey, dude - mine's a leaf from some righteous Panamanian red bud. Only the best, my man.). I can see a revival of the Furry Freak Brothers comix - and a check for them online shows just about all shops are out of stock - looks like someone thought quicker. Competition, from the looks of it.

roger — December 21, 2013 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You’re a little behind the times roger. This is the age of automation and robotics. Those human sign twirlers for Little Caesars and Domino’s (they often do battle right across the street from each other in Battle Ground), are sure to be a thing of the past soon enough. In the area you live in, you must have seen that darling little girl who is chained to the street corner on 117th just a couple of blocks north of fourth plain. Just across from the Taco Bell. I think she’s hawking for the place a block away that buys gold, or something. Anyway, she seems to break down every so often but they get her up and running after a while. Overall, she must cost a lot less than 9 $/hr. And a whole lot less that 15 $/hr. I really wish she’d change her clothes though. Those black tights and pink sweater gets old after a while. Every time I see her, I can’t help but think of Cliff Clavin.

kn_dalai — December 21, 2013 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye...enjoy your birthday!!!

I wish a Happy Winter Solstice to everyone. Not sure if I'll be checking in on the 24th and 25th to wish you all a Very Merry Christmas, so I'm choosing to say it now! Take time to enjoy your time with family and friends and always remember to never take it for granted. No coal in the stocking for anyone on the forum!!! Merry Christmas, everyone.

jacjak...regarding your comment on December 20, 2013 at 9:32 p.m. Your kind words are appreciated. In my case, I wish it was all about getting prepared for the holidays that keeps me away (although this new structure the C has decided to implement takes out a bit of my freedoms on the forum), but it's been a lot more for me these past two weeks...a close friend's untimely illness and sudden death and an illness in my family. Between helping with the estate of my friend (a 25-hour day in it's own rights) and seeing to it that she has a rightful burial and memorial as well as assisting my family members while their the family member has taken the wind out of my sails for the season. We will be celebrating low key this season.

Take care, everyone!

goldenoldie — December 22, 2013 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — December 21, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.

lololol...kn_dalai, the first time I saw that mobile mannequin, I caught my husband off guard and told him to check out the lady in the pink sweater. We laughed heartily. Now, any time that obnoxious bit of advertisement is active, we joke about it!

goldenoldie — December 22, 2013 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — December 21, 2013 at 8:59 p.m.

The first time I saw "her" I was passing by and only glanced, and thought she was way too skinny for a girl that tall. The next time I was stopped at the light, and had time to realize "she" was an "it".

Nope - I'm old fashioned, I guess. I used a self checkout lane at Freddy's once (my wife said I was afraid I couldn't figure it out, and my ego, dignity, etc, were at stake), but will always walk to the human cashier. I figure this preserves a job, and allows me to have a short conversation with someone who I'd otherwise not talk with. And when we're on the road and I'm driving, my boss takes great delight in putting Tom Tom on the annoying British voice and sticking on the windshield - I tend to cuss Tommie out for telling me which way to go. (I'll take my own route, thank you - and I'll get there eventually.)

roger — December 22, 2013 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 22, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.

I'm with you Roger. I want to figure out how to get "there" without the GPS. If I can't figure it out, then maybe I'll resort to asking but that's the last straw. Down here, my Daughter tells me how to get "there" most of the time but for the most part I like to wander. Problem is, down here, you can get run over if you show any sign of not knowing where you are going. These people are relentless.

hawkeye — December 22, 2013 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — December 22, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.

I suspect the driving problem in Vegas is largely due to rental cars being driven by out of towners in a hurry to get where ever they plan on losing their money. There was a Reserve heavy transport truck unit there back in my days of knowing stuff that we took several trips to see to get them ready for Desert Shield/Storm deployment. Even then people drove crazily - I refused to go anywhere unless I drove - Los Angeles and Panama were worse!

roger — December 22, 2013 at 2:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 22, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.

The funny thing is, Vegas didn't make the top ten worst drivers list this year.

Everybody here was surprised

hawkeye — December 22, 2013 at 5:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — December 21, 2013 at 2:06 p.m

Yes-bring back Laird! I can't find Jayne's column today. Wondering if he's back covering intra-state bowling competitions.

goldenoldie — December 22, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.

Sorry for your loss and wish you the best.


Lived in Vegas the better part of my life. I will say overall the drivers here are much much more courteous, not only compared to Vegas but other parts of the world. I get a little amused when I read LTE's griping about the terrible drivers here. I'm thinking they haven't driven much in other areas.

Vegas is bad no doubt about it. Much of it has to do with transient living and lifestyle choices. Lotsa booze, dope and distractions. That and remember, Vegas is a 24 hour town. Things don't shut down when it gets late. Also a huge influx of Mexicans the last couple of decades. Driving habits mired in third world countries don't cut it.

You guys ain't seen nothin' till you've been to Manilla!

December 19, 2013 - 6:33pm
-Nevada ranked No. 12 on worst drivers list-

Nevada comes in at No. 12 in a state-by-state ranking of worst drivers in a study by Car Insurance Comparison.

Many people argue over which state has the worst drivers. Everyone seems to think it has to be their home state, but CIC has settled that argument by ranking each state based on several criteria: tickets, careless driving, failure to obey, fatalities and drunken driving.

In Nevada, locals complain it’s Californians, or New Mexico drivers, or people from Oregon, but not only are those states not the worst offenders on the list, neither is Nevada.

Nevada makes the list for having high scores in fatalities, drunken driving and number of tickets issued, but other states made the Top 10 for terrible driving.

nailingit — December 22, 2013 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manila made #3 worst in the world, following New Delhi and Beijing. Mexico City is #4 - There's a traffic circle around the Independence statue there that's legendary for people getting stuck going around several times before being able to exit.

I'm surprised no Italian city made the list - those people buzzing around on their little scooters are a menace. And when they see a US tagged car, the game begins. Crazy stuff, like cutting in front and forcing you to slam your brakes on, and then the little fist shaking to let you know it was all your fault. If I'd have been able to get away with it, I'd have had a few kill marks on my door for taking some of those bozos out.

roger — December 22, 2013 at 8:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Jayne wrote the editorial instead of his regular column. A little discussion on why Santa can be any color you want him to be - because he isn't real. I'm not sure what brought that on, unless someone was upset about the article of the black Santa in LA making little black kids feel better or something. Whatever. The whole business about some bearded guy going around giving gifts and the Yule are from Germanic paganism - the Christians coopted that into their Christmas observance so my ancestors would quit killing them off. (At least, that's my version of what transpired.)

roger — December 22, 2013 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger-hawk-anyone with a great sense of humor & self. A fun read! :)

///Jesus never gave Christmas porn///

My family loved our quirky holiday tradition of flesh mags -- until the year I became a born-again Christian

nailingit — December 22, 2013 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///2013's Big Weird News Moments, Told In Photos///

nailingit — December 22, 2013 at 10:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — December 22, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.

Or Not!


The Dems have been unified on almost all fronts. Not understanding this. Lobbying interests?

///Here Are The 15 Democratic Senators Bucking The White House And Threatening War With Iran///

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