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"I am amazed at how willing people are to share their lives with the world via social media."

I know...huh?
I'd much rather wait for the book. ;^)

Drift — July 29, 2013 at 6:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

When in Rome...

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(I don't normally 'read HC,' but it's a slow morning.)

Drift — July 29, 2013 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

...back to my normal reading. Sheesh.

Drift — July 29, 2013 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

///Tiny Advisor Who Lived In Obama’s Ear Dead At 83///

“Bob was always willing to help anyone out and, honestly, he knew the issues better than anyone else on staff,” said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who explained that Linder would, on rare occasions, jump from the president’s ear into Timothy Geithner’s ear when the Treasury Secretary introduced new fiscal policies. “Whenever we heard President Obama give an inspirational speech, we knew that 50 percent of it was written before and 50 percent was whispered off the cuff by Bob into Obama’s eardrum while he dangled from a hair follicle.”

Born in 1929 deep within the nasal cavity of a Nebraska pig farmer, Linder spent most of his young life in Omaha with his two small parents and four teeny siblings. During the Korean war, he served in the military inside the ear of a U.S. lieutenant, receiving the Army’s Commendation Medal for valor.

After the war, the ambitious, microscopic 24-year-old moved to Washington and quickly established himself as a political force while working in the orifices of various senators such as James E. Murray and Paul Douglas. By 1978, Linder was renowned in Congress for toiling in the jowls of Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill and soon accepted a role in the Oval Office as a trusted aide, constantly sitting on President Jimmy Carter’s eyebrow.

In 1992, Linder received a senior advisor position in Bill Clinton’s administration, where he quickly formed a close personal and working relationship with the former president. Up to the time of his death, the miniscule advisor was known to keep in touch with Clinton and even maintained a summer home on the roof of the former president’s mouth.

“Bob always had his own way of doing things and was always committed to the well-being of the country,” said Clinton, in a statement that expressed his “sadness at the loss of a close friend.” “Sometimes late into the night, long after I was asleep, Bob was still up working…I can still remember hearing his feet pacing up and down my sinus cavity into the early hours in the morning. He loved his job.”

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nailingit — July 29, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 29, 2013 at 7:46 a.m.

You mean to tell me you actually TRUST online purchasing???

Buy up front and Local. It's better in the long run!

goldenoldie — July 29, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The early Monday morning accident on Fourth Plain and Thompson definitely brought back a memory for me. Exactly six years ago tomorrow...exact same damage, even though my vehicle was hit by a private utility truck who ran the red light...and I'm still kickin', even though the first responders were actually surprised to find anyone alive in the driver seat. I thank the good Lord above for allowing me the chance to persevere and to experience life on this beautiful green Earth, and I have forgiven the other driver for his lack of attention which resulted in my mother's fatal injuries.

We're all human.

goldenoldie — July 29, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

What a beautiful little miracle baby...little Miss Abigail Rose Beutler. She's a little fighter!!! Another special reminder of Heaven's little angels! Warm wishes and good thoughts to the family of Miss Abigail.

goldenoldie — July 29, 2013 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 29, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.

such a Richard cranium.

hawkeye — July 29, 2013 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Would love to have had Trujillo tearing it up on "(Anesthesia) - Pulling Teeth".

All in all a great set and looking forward to it's release.

"Creeping Death"

"For Whom the Bell Tolls"


"Ride the Lightning"



"The Memory Remains"

"Wherever I May Roam"

"Sad But True"

"Welcome Home (Sanitarium)"

" . . . And Justice for All"

"Fade to Black"

"Master of Puppets"


"Nothing Else Matters"

"Enter Sandman"

"Hit the Lights"

"Seek & Destroy"

///Metallica Bring 'The Full Arsenal' 3D Show to Vancouver///

Awesome display of pyro, effects bodes well for concert film

Throughout the night, 12 coffins floated over the stage displaying assorted images within, from entombed, panicking bodies to flame-throwers. Arguably the set's musical and visual highlight, "One" simulated an inundated battleground, with pyro, fireworks and ear-piercing crashes preceding a creepy calm, as Hetfield and company’s quiet melody cut through the smoke while images of shadowed soldiers marched on the dozen screens above the stage.

The whole evening was very much like being an extra on a movie set, which, of course, we all were. Worth noting: in the space where reality turns into theater, there were intentional, drama-creating "planned malfunctions," ranging from imploding statues to feigning-injured crew members. On this third night, however, a few unplanned gaffes happened as well, including misfires of pyro (requiring dousing by extinguisher) and a genuine near-disaster, when one of the massive 3D cameras dropped suddenly, barely missing a handful of audience members in the pit.

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nailingit — July 29, 2013 at 1:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, after reading the early interest in Amazon and hiring, allow me to add the following article. This is 7,000 new working class warehouse jobs, with pay 30% over comparable jobs, and many to qualify for 95% college tuition reimbursement. Something says they'll be flooded with people applying. And far more beneficial to the nation as a whole than the loss of a few techie jobs to Russians will hurt us.

roger — July 29, 2013 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal


That video ought to be good. But it'll have to be great to top the concert footage from their performance at Monsters of Rock in the old Soviet Union in '91. It wasn't Ronald Reagan who brought down the Soviet empire - It was Metal, with Metallica leading the way. We corrupted those nice little collectivists and turned them into headbanging little whatever we were back in our day.

roger — July 29, 2013 at 5:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hmmm... With all that animosity at 0903, I'm wondering if Crapper lost his job to an immigrant techie.

roger — July 29, 2013 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

To anyone who cares - sometimes holyc and I don't agree on issues, but this time...I believe we do. Yes, holyc does become a bit melodramatic, but the message is there...holyc notices what many are noticing. To shrug his message off as conspiratory in theory is...well...a bit ignorant.

For several months...actually for a few years now, I've been reading up on the works of global economists and those with interests in re-organizing the world economy (not on the usual tabloid/bird cage liner sites, either) who have profited off of countries...some which their economy crashed or their monetary fund disintegrated as a result, due to the well-executed shameful game of duping these smaller nations into believing it would improve their nations. I hate to say it, but I believe the people I speak of are doing the very same to the larger nations (ours included), convincing them to tank their own economies and have convinced them to invest in other nations rather than work to improve their own - more outsourcing and sending jobs elsewhere.

My honest is in fact a massive group of one world, one nation individuals who insist in population reduction globally with only the very rich and the very poor. Slowly, the middle class is whittling away. More homes lost, more debts and destitution. We're being told the economy is getting better...but for whom (or is it who???)???

Ask yourself this...are you any better off financially than you were in 2008?

goldenoldie — July 29, 2013 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Holycrapola, I'm actually a bit surprised you have followed in the suit of the credit card industry. You do know that this was the first step in the global economic plan way back allow people to borrow on what they didn't have and to encourage spending and pay later, right? Yeah, I're going to tell me you can't do anything without established credit. I'm aware of that, but think of why it was set up that way...that even to get yourself some auto insurance, they check your credit. To get a job, they check your credit.

Then they hit the banks...loaning too much for a person's budget with incredibly attractive low interest rates in ARM's for when the economy was good. Anybody could sign up for credit cards. Look what happened in the 90's when interest rates went through the roof??? Even today with interest rates at an all time low, who can afford to get a loan? You practically have to give blood, now...figuratively speaking. Now, with so many people in underwater mortgages and debt up to the yin yang, they have a few choices...try to re-fi, foreclose or put their homes up for sale with a short sale and destroy what's left of their credit. Seniors now have the worst option available with these reverse mortgages...another big scam as far as I'm concerned...

and who is it that is allowing all this to happen???

I hate to say this because others on here will probably chastise me for speaking my opinion but...we've been screwed by the powers that be for a lot longer than just the game they're playing today. All they're doing today is tying up the knots to secure their end game. So what are we going to do about it??? We can shout and scream and even the powers that be will make us think they're helping us...doing good deeds to support the voters...

but are we truly being heard? Do they really give a rat's back side???

The plan is in place. Some think it will take an act of God to remedy that which ills our world. Others...think fighting back against the government will do the trick. IMO...working proactively to transition into a changed world to better our individual needs and the needs of our children through education, hard work and dedication is the only answer. The lessons we learned from our parents and grandparents are beginning to come in handy for many. Creative thinking goes a long way, my friend.

goldenoldie — July 29, 2013 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Remember the song from the 70's by the Five Man Electrical Band...


Funny how music and movies warn us of the future...and we consider it ENTERTAINMENT???

Seems to me a bit of the movie Demolition Man has begun to be a mainstay in every day life. Just walk into a Walgreens and make a purchase. At the end of the transaction...listen to what the clerk now says to you! And look at the division of have the people on the surface (Elitists) and the people underground (Scraps). The people underground...or Scraps...refuse the one world order. And why is it they were able to survive if this was a real situation??? What skills of life were they taught in order to survive???

I still can't figure out the "three shells," lol.

I won't even get into the movie, "Idiocracy" which is also written cleverly as entertainment, but with many truths spoken throughout the movie. I know for sure, I find it very hard to drink any sport drinks because of the movie...8P

goldenoldie — July 29, 2013 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Goldie - You left out an important piece of that economic collapse related to the mortgage bust - an unregulated Wall Street. Who owns the mortgage banks? Who got into the game of bundling subprime mortgages, changing the ratings upward, and selling them to uninformed investors (to include many of our pension and 401(k) fund managers? And who reinvented the concept of selling short (previously mostly found in the commodities marketplace) so hedge fund managers could invest billions of dollars of "on paper only" on the short side of that mortgage loan market and cause its collapse?

I usually point to Reagan and his deregulation efforts, as carried out by his designated hatchet man Donald Regan, former CEO of Merrill Lynch and Treasury Sec'y under Reagan. But as the attached article shows, there's plenty of blame to spread around.

roger — July 29, 2013 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


OK - For about the past two years, every time I shop at Walgreens they ask me if I have their saver card (or whatever they call it). I always say No, and they always ask me if I want an application to fill out. I say NO - I already have a few sitting in my "get to some year" basket. That usually terminates that conversation - We exchange the usual pleasantries and I move on.

Is that what you meant?

roger — July 29, 2013 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Well, I've found something that will motivate me for the next couple of years.

I'm the Facilities guy for my operation, and my boss has already given me the bad news that this means I get to sit on all the stupid committees GSA says there will be in the new Edith Green (and someone else) federal bldg. Well, I finally have something to focus on.

I am going to demand, at every opportunity, that their latest surprise expenditure will be considered meaningless UNLESS the song is played over the PA system - over and over and over. (Just like when our little "basement band" - not good enough to be a garage band - tired to kick out a respectable version of the song.)

roger — July 29, 2013 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: About the Amazon jobs. The Seattle Times spent a great deal of energy in 2012 to expose some of the deplorable working conditions and policies at Amazon.

I imagine that they cleaned up their act as a result of the uncomfortable spotlight.

For reference, here is a Feb article that refers to the problems workers face when they are on the Amazon payroll:

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manthou — July 29, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A 429 page Tesoro lease with the Port of Vancouver!

Let's hope Aaron Corvin summarizes it for us. His article did highlight the liability insurance requirement against injury lawsuits.

Hooray for public records! I think.....

manthou — July 29, 2013 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I loved that song.


Louie Louie, oh no
Me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Louie Louie, oh baby
Me gotta go

Fine little girl waits for me
Catch a ship across the sea
Sail that ship about, all alone
Never know if I make it home


Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of girl, constantly
On that ship, I dream she's there
I smell the rose in her hair.


Okay, let's give it to 'em, right now!


See Jamaica, the moon above
It won't be long, me see me love
Take her in my arms again
Tell her I'll never leave again


Let's take it on outa here now
Let's go!!


hawkeye — July 29, 2013 at 7:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I heard something interesting on the radio today, KINK I think it was, the DJ said if Walmart raised the wages of all it's employees to $12 per hour and passed the cost on to it's customers, it would cost everyone 1.2% more.

I'd buy that!

hawkeye — July 29, 2013 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Gay bars boycotting vodka brands over Russia's treatment of homosexuals

***That outta put a dent in their sales ---- NOT!***

hawkeye — July 29, 2013 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 29, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.

Agreed. They were so gelled in 91' and at the top of their game. My favorite album is still the early-"Kill Em' All", with "Master Of Puppets" close behind. I saw them mid nineties when they were billed with AIC, Candlebox & ...coincidently, Suicidal Tendencies, a band Trujillo played for. The dude is a monster on bass.

As far as Metal bringing down the Wall... (which I'm lucky to have pieces of. A co-worker went over there at the time to witness history in the making, and brought me a couple of chunks)

...wasn't it Hetfield who said, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this f@*#$%& wall!?"

nailingit — July 29, 2013 at 10:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — July 29, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.

The local story about the new Walmart a few weeks ago said they started at $14 per hour. If those wages reflect nation wide wages then $12 should cause a drop in prices.

frobert — July 30, 2013 at 12:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

What Wiki was made for. Nothing new, but dangerous in the wrong hands. (_8(l)

New World Order (conspiracy theory)


Given Conservative public testimony about the direction of Public Ed., one can only imagine the quality of Conservative based home schooling.

///Next Generation Science Standards In Kentucky Draw Hostility From Religious Groups///

The Kentucky Board of Education adopted the standards in June and held hearings to get public feedback on the standards last week before they were presented to the state legislature for official approval.

Matt Singleton, a Baptist minister, is one of the opponents who spoke to the board about why the standards should not be adopted, according to The Courier-Journal. “Outsiders are telling public school families that we must follow the rich man’s elitist religion of evolution, that we no longer have what the Kentucky Constitution says is the right to worship almighty God,” Singleton said. “Instead, this fascist method teaches that our children are the property of the state.”

Another opponent, Dena Stewart-Gore, suggested that the standards will make religious students feel ostracized. “The way socialism works is it takes anybody that doesn’t fit the mold and discards them,” she said, per the The Courier-Journal. “We are even talking genocide and murder here, folks.”

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nailingit — July 30, 2013 at 12:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nails -
Robert Trujillo is good - but I'll stick with Jason Newsted. When I was in Panama, a friend in Phoenix sent me a Flotsam and Jetsam tape with several songs that were later released on Doomsday for the Deceiver. A very under appreciated album from the early days of thrash metal, and mostly written by Jason. Most stories say the reason he eventually left Metallica was because he had his own ideas about where the band should go, and Mark and Lars were having none of that. (Their band.)

roger — July 30, 2013 at 5:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — July 30, 2013 at 12:19 a.m

Would you like to reference the story, I don't think that wage is accurate. Seems to me, most make minimum wage. Maybe the managers make $14. Otherwise, why would people be so pissy about the wages they pay?

hawkeye — July 30, 2013 at 6:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: Kill 'Em All, and another one of my stories. We played war games in Panama; we were "Cuban Spec Ops" advisors in to stir up the locals. The original game was to give our conventional units and the Panama Defense Force a chance to work together. We tended to go overboard, though. We had the Reserves from the USAF Spec Ops unit from Hurlburt Field down, with their old UH-60Hs, to support us. Our Battalion Commander was a big fan of Apocalypse Now, and the helicopter scene with Ride of the Valkyries. He wanted something similar, and gave it to us support types to play with. (Our once a year shot at showing who can play like the Big Boys.) SSG Neilson briefed it straight, but didn't mention we changed the song coming out of the speakers. We had a trial run, with our Group Commander from Bragg and General Noriega in attendance. We came screaming in with Seek and Destroy blaring away. They were not amused. We got axed from the games. Oh well.

roger — July 30, 2013 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — July 30, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.

I just reread the story and it was $13 per hour, but my point still stands.

frobert — July 30, 2013 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

maybe for that particular walmart, but I doubt they pay $13/hr nationally. In fact, they fought like hell in Chicago & NYC against a $12.50/hr min wage. Keep in mind, the people working a walmart reuire anout $1.6M a year in public subsidies. Maybe it's time we look at these companies and make them pick up the tab.

mrd — July 30, 2013 at 7:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Excellent journalism (Susan Parrish) on the Battle Ground School Board's Bria payout debacle. We keep learning more.

I am horrified beyond words that there is absolutely NO written record of her job evaluations. Nada. Zip. Who advises the BG School District legally? They have a paralegal, but where is HER attorney supervisor? And we wonder why Clark County is considered backwoods crony by the rest of the state.

I hope the C gets a copy of Benton's evaluation, when it occurs. I also want to see what criteria they use to evaluate him. Will they ask the employees he supervises for anonymous feedback? Madore and Mielke could not articulate what the performance indicators were when they hired him. Huh?, they said. Performance indicators? Whaddoyamean?

Read Temple Lentz's newest blog post today, starring Benton: priceless.

manthou — July 30, 2013 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 29, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.

Actually, no. When I last spoke to a clerk at my Walgreens who had been there since it opened, she informed me that they are required to say to everyone the following -

"Have a nice day...Be Well!!!"

That was my reference to Demolition Man.

goldenoldie — July 30, 2013 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Speaking of the new Walmart mentioned by others on the forum, I finally went there and was pleased to see that it truly has the Small Store atmosphere I've been looking for since the old Five Corners Market Place closed up years back. When I don't care to walk through a larger store like Freddies or Winco, this store will definitely get my business. That is, if I'm not making a trip to New Seasons (still my most favorite store in Vancouver).

Good move by Walmart Corporation in my opinion.

goldenoldie — July 30, 2013 at 8:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 29, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.

Good to see someone else is catching on. It's definitely part of the puzzle with many hidden pieces yet to be discovered by whistle blowers. You and I have shared only a has holycrapola.

Honestly, can we do anything about it? All we can do is raise the pressure on our leadership to do what they're supposed to do...but will it make any difference? I think not. All the more reason why I'm forever telling people to stop using credit for something they couldn't afford otherwise and try to pay off their debts when they can. If you can't afford it...don't buy it. It's the simplest form of opposition to these big banking institutions and the powers that be that control the laws regarding these institutions...AND it's a more affordable lifestyle.

You know...a couple of weeks ago, I went into a department store to make a purchase, using cash. When the lady asked if I was paying with my "xxxx" card or credit card, I said "No, I'm paying with cash." You should have seen the look on her face!!! Priceless!!!

goldenoldie — July 30, 2013 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies,
in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who
are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.

It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road. the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower~

nailingit — July 30, 2013 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 30, 2013 at 5:33 a.m.

If we're going the comparison route, one would be remiss not to honor Cliff Burton with a seat at the top.

nailingit — July 30, 2013 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Nail not much has changed since the 1950's of Eisenhower has it.It has got worse.Arms spending along with what we give to other countries could do a lot of good for the people of the U.S.A.

timerick — July 30, 2013 at 12:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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Full disclosure: Other than having a manuscript currently being peddled on Amazon I've no dog in the hunt.

I simply don't suffer fools gladly.

Drift — July 30, 2013 at 12:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 30, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

Thanks for clarifying.

Regarding your reference to Stephanopoulos and that you could not believe the discussion made on what is commonly misrepresented as the "news," you're not alone in your assumption. It truly seems as if someone has pushed some mysterious button and cut off all thoughts of common sense when it comes to reporting. Just the other day, I was watching channel 8 when the DC reporter was pouring out his schpiel and how as he said it..."far left liberals working together with teaparty conservatives...." It literally made me shut off the television at that point. If they aren't talking about some actor/actress going off the deep end as if that's really news, they're as you've discovered...talking about fashion. Our own local news even gets caught up in the BS of faux news reporting. Disgusting!

What is it they DON'T want us to see or hear???

goldenoldie — July 30, 2013 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift is there some place other than Amazon to purchase your book.I don't buy on line.

timerick — July 30, 2013 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My house. I've seven in stock.

I'm not really being a smart butt, timerick. See, the thing is, it's not available off the shelf from your local book store. Oh, I'd guess Barnes and Noble could order it for you, but walk up and grab one...unfortunately, no.

The ISBN 10 is: 1-935878-04-2

Drift — July 30, 2013 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — July 30, 2013 at 6:57 a.m.

Yea, well don't believe everything you read, frobo. I was just at Walmart and happened to ask the "asst-manager" what the beginning wage was at her store. She was very helpful and told me it was "just above" minimum wage which is in Washington (I believe it just got raised to) $9.43. I'd guess they start at $9.45. A far cry from $13.13 or even $12.00. I don't know what managers make or department heads but if most of the employees need assistance from the state, they could use a raise.

hawkeye — July 30, 2013 at 3:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


From the article “Waterfront access project to enter new phase”:

“The work is part of a $45 million project to create public access to the former Boise Cascade site along the Columbia River. Officials believe the effort could spur new development on the waterfront.” [][1]

So what’s going on here? “could spur new developoment". Could? They also call it the “Waterfront access project”. Nothing about the actual Gramor waterfront development. Gee. Maybe that public/private parnership development is turning out to be a house of cards, and it’s time for the supporters to start distancing themselves.


kn_dalai — July 30, 2013 at 4:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Crapper -

Try to get your facts straight.

I'm not the one who called you a dickhead. (Though I did find it a fitting response to your earlier name calling.)

But that last post of yours is classic verbal diarrhea. You are so full of it with your faux outrage, the whole place stinks.

"For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise." (Paul, mocking the Corinthians.)

roger — July 30, 2013 at 4:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai @ 4:36 pm: You get the "eagle eye" attention-to-detail award today. I read that article twice and missed the subtle implications of the word choices both times.

The failure of the CRC and the Tesoro lease at the Port may have cooled the enthusiasm of Gramor and investors, for sure. We shall see.

Anyone else notice the lack of Jeanne Harris and Jeanne Stewart signs? Are these women campaigning or have both given up before the fight?

manthou — July 30, 2013 at 5:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

RE: That waterfront park Vancouver is spending $45 mil on. Where are people supposed to park? I'm thinking the lot Farmers Market uses belongs to City Hall and won't be available. And that lot behind Red Lion isn't that big - perhaps 50-75 spaces?

roger — July 30, 2013 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I think Harris knows she's history and isn't going to do much outside her own circle of supporters. She pissed the boys off (Leavitt, Burkman, Smith and Hansen) by going against them several months ago, and I suspect they're working against her. Remember that pro-CRC 49th District meeting several months back? McEnerney-Ogle was being treated quite well by all in attendance; she had as many crowding around her as anyone on the panel (except Jim Moeller). Harris was virtually ignored, and came across as quite bitter about it. (I was talking with the Labor union lady; Harris decided she was more important and barged in/changed the subject. That's OK - I had Labor's promise that they'd be picketing if that bridge was built with non-union labor - which I saw as a real possibility.)

I'm not sure about Stewart. Maybe she doesn't need to spend a lot of time campaigning? She's got a very solid base of support, as near as I can tell. Topper and Stober sound like they're using the same script; maybe Jeanne figures they'll cancel each other out in the primary, and she can ramp up for the November election?

roger — July 30, 2013 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And I didn't like Topper - She struck me as being as phony as that two dollar bill. Stober at least sounded as though he put some thought into and believed what he was saying. Jeanne sounded tired and was rambling for the first three questions, but pulled it together for the last two.

roger — July 30, 2013 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 30, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.

YEA!!!! It was me RICHARD!!!!


hawkeye — July 30, 2013 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I repeat......


hawkeye — July 30, 2013 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Out of curiosity, holycrapola...didn't you say you own properties? If so, then don't you owe property taxes every year??? Do you grow your own food or do you purchase it from the stores? If you purchase, then you are indirectly paying the government. Do you have your own insurance? If so, then you owe them on your premiums. Do you use fuel in your boat or mode of transportation? If you do, then you owe the fuel companies and the government every time you fuel up and every time you use your given right at YOUR choice to head out on the highway or the know, that "born to be wild," freedom thing.

I'm just trying to understand your thoughts that you owe nobody. Seems to me we're living in a nation of a price beyond what it takes for our fighting brave to protect our freedoms...such as they are.

goldenoldie — July 30, 2013 at 7:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou, I've seen Jeanne Stewart's signs up on the east side of town.

goldenoldie — July 30, 2013 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I’m just dying to hear all about the Oregon Country Fair. We had a short discussion about this a while ago. Did they have any like; psychedelic Tye Dye T-shirt kiosks? How bout long hair wig vendors for the terminally bald. Were there any ephemeral reported sightings of the Grateful Dead transiting the heavens at dusk? You know. Things of that kind? Enquiring minds. I want to hear all about it. Was Beth Hart there? I told you , she has a good voice, but she really needs to pull her pants up! Maybe buy a new pair of pants. Did they have Tye Dye pants kiosks there?

kn_dalai — July 30, 2013 at 8:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Lots of voters punch the ballot for Democrats for this, and Republicans for the other, as a sort of balance between the two. “Non partian” is usually meaningless as the underlying ideas and political relationships soon become obvious.

Harris’s attitude has been over the top, and is too soon to forget for most.

Stewart has been a voice of reasoned difference with the majority which will strike an appeal with many. The Columbian not withstanding.

kn_dalai — July 30, 2013 at 8:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou remember last week I told you guys that Gramor was not going to invest millions with the rail going feet from the million dollar condos.I might be wrong but we will see.Roger the natives are restless on the fb side today.Sometimes it is fun.

timerick — July 30, 2013 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


looks like I might get to go in and see the top floor tomorrow. I think I'll take pictures. Should be pretty weird. I'll bring them by if I do.

hawkeye — July 30, 2013 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Ok thanks Hawkeye.Drift I bought your book today.First time I have ever bought on line.Now if the government comes after me it is your fault.

timerick — July 30, 2013 at 9:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 30, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

1. "Try to create the next American Anthem."

Congress is working on it.

2. "Write a book on my perspective concerning this racket and how to avoid it at all cost. This book will reflect my life story, my infiltrating the corporate world, their books and government and where the lies are hidden."


3. "Try to put some sort of traveling mission together where musicians and poets can go from town to town spreading the gospel of freedom and turning away from this racket that we all dislike and are trapped in."

Grab your passport!

You think Good Morning America isn't the best place for news???

Get outta town!

"Sorry! I have got some principles I live by."

I have two Public Ed teachers, one Edu Administrator and a Yoga Instructor who live close by. I've always found them to be good neighbors.

nailingit — July 30, 2013 at 10:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For a mere $20 (free shipping!!!), you too can become a yoga master.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 5:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal

They put up a new sign at the Catholic church across the street yesterday. At the bottom it said "Pedophile free since 2009". I was shocked, I thought it was much later than that!

hawkeye — July 31, 2013 at 6:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Yay! Beer money! Thanks, timerick!

Heh, my publisher warned the government might come after _me_ when the book was released ;^)

It's a quick read, time. If you browsed a few pages on Amazon you'll already be aware it isn't quite like your average military memoir.

Let me know what you think.

Drift — July 31, 2013 at 6:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift: I think you made a couple of sales here now! You got some good reviews, as well. We're not much, but we're adventurous and loyal. :)

Hoo-boy, everyone! Did you read Aaron Corvin's article today about the Port of Vancouver's violation of public meetings law on the 22nd? The Tesoro lease agreement issue?

This is HUGE. Did the Columbian discover the error or did a citizen blow that whistle?

If Brian Wolfe were the Chair, this would not have happened. I love it that the Port's attorney told Corvin that it was "inappropriate" for him to be asking her questions. She needs to hone up on what good journalists do.

Tim Ford, the public records czar from the AG's office, knows his stuff. Let's see what entity files the first lawsuit.

timerick: I do remember your comments on that Gramor development last week. You are right that nothing is in stone. Rich folks don't like to lose money. :)

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I surely do appreciate the help with the beer budget, manthou. Last year I made a grand off of 'Carrier.' That's about 25% of my annual suds expense. Yeah, I likes my beer ;^)

Truthfully, I've never expected to get rich off of the darned thing. My reward is having people read my stuff. Much as a story teller will embellish (and get a bit more animated) as more folks gather 'round the fire.

The last review (at Amazon) was very negative:
"From a retired Navy CPO, I can tell you this is the worst I have ever read about the Navy, total fiction and not only that total crap."

Funny thing is, right after that was posted my rank went from > a million (bad) to < 100 grand (good). Thanks, Chief!

I don't recall if I've mentioned it here, but; my next book _From the Attic of a Madman?_ has been accepted by the publisher. There's still plenty of work to be done (copyediting and stuff) though. It'll 'prolly be a year before it comes out.

Thanks again! This Buds for you! ;^)

Drift — July 31, 2013 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift: My husband, a Navy man from the Vietnam era (it is amazing he came back alive to make my dreams come true) tells me that he had friends who served later, as you did, and your tales are spot-on.

Being a published writer is no small task and I salute you. It is good for the brain of author and readers alike. I wish I had the chops and admire yours.

Beats sitting around watching reality TV all day, for sure.

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Are you saying watching shows about dumping naked people on an island is a waste of time?

roger — July 31, 2013 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick - Definitely entertaining on facebook. Lot's of issues that people are not willing to compromise one iota on. Someone was quite offended the other day when I said Jim Moeller was correct about something - Received a nice little lecture.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 9:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Crapper -

Mixing Hawkeye and me up was a little thing - apologizing over that is a "so what."

I think we were focusing more on how the "I live outside the norm" guy was so quick to criticize (through name calling) someone else for doing the same thing.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger I disagree with Mr. Moeller often.But he does say some good things once in awhile.Credit is due sometimes.

timerick — July 31, 2013 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Black and white thinking is a disease right now. What happened to open-minded flexibility?

Speaking of this, I have written all three county commissioners this morning about the weak value in their proposed advisory votes. The information it gives is only as good as the number of voters who bother to send in a ballot.

What is the typical voter turnout for Clark County? It is usually abysmal. Does it ever break 50%? Most likely not.

What value is there in spending thousands of dollars on advisory votes that don't produce representative samples of citizen opinion?

Shame on folks for not voting. It makes me crazy that they don't. But shame on Clark County commissioners for using weak statistical sampling to inform their decisions.

And I, for one, do not want to throw my tax dollars down a rat hole for window dressing only. The ruse that "the citizens have spoken" should be qualified by "only (fill in voter turnout here) of citizens responded and this is how that small percentage of the population feels about this and that.

Anyone else understand what I am trying to say here?

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou I could not agree with you more.When my wife and I got together 12 years ago,she had not voted since 1976.The reason was the election had already been called before she got off work to vote.If you remember back then we had to go to the polls we had no mail in ballots.I told her to reregister and at least vote in our local elections.She has voted every year since.Also the younger people I have that work for me didn't vote until a few years ago.They saw no use in it.Once I explained the whys to them all but one now votes.Our votes do count especialy in our local races and issues.It is supprising how many people don't read up on any of the issues we have.I guess they like to be led like lambs to the slaughter.

timerick — July 31, 2013 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 31, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.

You couldn't answer my questions first??? Yes, I pay my share of taxes. What makes you think I don't work? Would you consider Freelance work as a job? I do. So I ask you stated in the past that you own properties. You don't own them outright as long as you pay property tax. You own the rights to call your place home. If you pay rent, you are paying property taxes indirectly. When you make any purchase, you pay taxes. The ONLY way you could avoid paying tax in this world is if you were a mountain man, hiding in the wilderness, living off the land. Otherwise, you're just fooling yourself into thinking you have no connection to Big Brother.

Regarding the fighting brave...this is where we can both agree to disagree. Regarding "nobody fights for our freedom, only we do..." of course we fight for our freedom! Every time we vote, every time we contact our legislators and our president, every time we stand up for what we believe in, every time we refuse to purchase products at exorbitant prices, every time we gather our own food from our garden, grown from seeds we harvested and every time we support our local farmers and vendors...supporting them to continue on with their independence and supporting our own community.

goldenoldie — July 31, 2013 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 31, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.

On local issues, our vote does count. You are aware the refusal to pay increased sales tax on light rail M&O; was one of the deciding forces for the Washington State Senate majority caucus to refuse funding for the crossing, right???

It will be interesting what will happen on this election we're facing right now. The voters will have spoken yet again.

My thought...Jeanne Stewart will continue to be on City Council - Stronger as ever for the voice of the people. Too bad she isn't running for Mayor! Tim Leavitt...that one will be a close call, even though his attempt to silence other council members in recent days isn't working favorably for him. I'd rather see him return to his day job but only time will tell and the voters will decide his fate.

goldenoldie — July 31, 2013 at 10:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola I'm. not going get in to a prolonged argument with you over our military.But for you to call them fools is totally uncalled for.We had people like you in every conflict we have ever been in.In my generation they ran and hid in Canada.With out these brave men and women you would not have the right to post the things you post.This is just my feeling.

timerick — July 31, 2013 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Honestly Holy C, sometimes you really are out there. We are all dumb except you. You are a rebel. You know better. Yea yea yea.

You do make good points but if you were to stop the insults and curb your somewhat overblown ego a bit, people would conceivably listen to your good points. Which you have. But insults thrown at each of us won't hack it.

And don't give me that "I ain't paying no taxes." You do. Maybe fewer by cheating creatively but you are not off the grid. You are not yet Jeremiah Johnson.

luvithere — July 31, 2013 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal


As I noted on facebook, I really don't see the purpose in an advisory vote if directed at a level that cannot make the decision. And as near as I can tell, the State determines bridge building and tolling. However, consider that the State is probably the cause of this problem of wanting to hold an advisory vote. High capacity transit is determined at the RTC or lower levels (depending on various factors). Here, the law says C-Tran fills that role, based on planning conducted at the SW WA RTC level and public vote (funding and system plans). But previous attempts to approve light rail were voted down, so this time WSDOT got cute and tried to say LRT was part of the bridge project and consequently their decision.

But I will definitely continue to "agitate" that the western route that Mielke put up is the correct choice. (I wonder why he went with that one? He was pushing the 192nd Ave bridge before Madore came on the scene.)

roger — July 31, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The usual dosage for Kaopectate is 2 tablespoonfuls every half-hour to one hour, up to 16 tablespoons in a 24 hour period. But will this clear out the brain?

roger — July 31, 2013 at 12:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Advisory votes are political, aren't they. It makes the masses, those small numbers who vote, believe they are being heard.

I suspect Sharon Nasset had something to do with the addition of the West bridge option. She has been promoting that for years. She lives in Portland and has done a good job of influencing politics on the North bank of The Columbia. Like Carolyn Crain, who does not live in Vancouver, but testifies regularly at City Council meetings, Sharon spends most of her time testifying in WA affairs. She has more supporters here, for sure. Free speech knows no boundaries.

At a recent BOCC public hearing where she testified, David Madore asked Sharon to make an appointment with him ASAP. He always has favored the 192nd Street option. After their pow wow (Sharon would never miss the opportunity for a 1-1), the advisory votes were drafted and the West side option was added.

Here is what I suspect: Mielke promoted Sharon's favorite option since Madore's 192nd Street one was covered by him already. Madore's meeting with Nasset helped that.

Just google Sharon Nasset sometime and you can see how long ago she has been fighting for a West bridge to US 30. The residents of St. Johns are not happy, though, about it.

These advisory votes and the money it will take to launch them are a waste of money and effort. SOP in government.

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 1:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou they be a waste of money but I think they are better than a poll.Polls are only as good as the people that pay for them.Just my opinion.

timerick — July 31, 2013 at 1:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I still think a bridge to the West, across the West hills to Beaverton and hooking up with Hwy 217 to I-5 on this side would be ideal. That way it would be a straight shot to Beaverton, Hillsboro from I-5 instead of having to go through the cities and up 26. Trust me, there is a lot of traffic that comes that way.

hawkeye — July 31, 2013 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick: Yep. Polls only snag a percentage of the population, too.

What happened to the prominent position of the Port of Vancouver story today online? You have to dig for it now.

Breaking stories like that usually stay in a position of prominence a little too long on here.

Did an attorney make a call to The Columbian? Working on an update? Correction? Clarification?

Strange it is hidden so quickly. It was a hot story.

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — July 31, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.

Such an ego you have! You mentioned "buying from a farmer's market." I did not. It appears you haven't had much exposure to local farmers and farm cooperatives. Not all local farmers are raising their crops for the big-box stupormarkets. There are many small farmers...hobby farmers, even in the cities. We've shared our produce with others in exchange for fresh farm eggs. I've helped other neighbors and friends who in turn, provided something in return. There's also another concept...have you ever heard of gleaning crops? I have this one friend who gleaned our apple tree of all the over-ripe turn, we received some very nice apple cider. Another neighbor had fruit trees with bumper crops. She couldn't use them all herself, so she invited the neighbors over to glean all they could use. That helped several families.

Did I mention w-2's or 1099's? No I did not. Have you ever heard of bartering and trading goods for services or for other goods?

Sir, you put on this facade that you are worldly and have all the answers and we don't know jack squat. You stated to me "please land, you are too high on something" but it appears you're looking in the mirror. Yes, you are free spirited and for that, you are one of the fortunate ones. To condemn others who haven't achieved a life such as yours puts you in a realm all its own...a very lonely realm.

You expected me to answer you, I did with honesty. You couldn't even give me the decency of even a half-witted answer. Not good in a discussion now, is it.

You make good points here on the forum, yet when someone wants to fully understand where you're coming head in a different direction, alienating others who truly want to share in a lively discussion with you.

If you want to have a level-headed discussion with others, might I suggest you take it down a notch...stop assuming others are on the attack and realize we're all just sharing our opinions???

My final suggestion to you in this comment is...don't make the statements if you can't back them up and eliminate the cheap shots. You want the world to change, you cannot do it alone...working with your fellow humans is much more proactive.

goldenoldie — July 31, 2013 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — July 31, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.

NOBODY can ever be Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, Robert Redford played his character very well, but the true Liver-Eating Jeremiah Johnson was a one of a kind!!! Too many wannabe's in this world, lol.


goldenoldie — July 31, 2013 at 3:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou the port article kind of supprised me a little.The port is full of attorneys.I believe Wolf is one himself.You would think that one of them would have stopped Oliver from make such a bad decision.They really did not need the bad publicity they got at this time.I have always felt like the port has done a fine job of promoting jobs and business for us.

timerick — July 31, 2013 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The Hounds Of Whinerville are a howlin'!

Evidently the spoils of victory tastes like sour grapes.

nailingit — July 31, 2013 at 4:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

For all you crybabies whining about our Democracy being unfair..waaaa... :) More sour grapes.

You guys think you have it could be worse.

///Dog eats paralyzed man's testicle///

A Trumann man awoke Monday morning to find his dog eating one of his testicles.
The man, who has not been identified, is paralyzed and told police he has “no feeling from the waist down.”

Around 7:45 a.m. Monday he was awakened by a “burning pain” in his mid-section, according to the initial police report.

The 39-year-old man told police he sleeps in the nude and noticed the dog was between his legs.

He also noticed the “small, white, fluffy dog”  had blood on its muzzle and front feet.
When the man looked further, according to the report, he noticed that “the dog had eaten one of his testicles.”

The victim said the dog was a stray he had taken in about three weeks earlier.  The man was unsure if the dog had been vaccinated.

Police took the dog to a local veterinarian where it was euthanized.  Its head was sent to the Arkansas Department of Health to be tested for rabies.

The victim was taken to St. Bernards Regional Medical Center where he was treated for his injuries.

nailingit — July 31, 2013 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — July 31, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.

Yes timerick, Wolfe is a lawyer and what I would call one of the insider crowd. One of the more recognizable lawyer names around. He was also the city attorney, i.e. legal counsel, for both the city of Battle Ground and the city of Ridgefield for many years. You’d think the guy would know all about open meeting laws.

kn_dalai — July 31, 2013 at 4:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 4:19 pm: Here come da judge and he done made his decision.

Larry Patella must have money to burn. He and his pals lost $40,000 plus when they sued to try to stop the Hilton. Maybe they have a secret sugar daddy to pay the bills, a silent partner.

Had that money gone to charity, just think.......

What is worse to me: the attorney, Pidgeon, who surely must have had an inkling of how this would go, actually took this on.

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"What is worse to me: the attorney, Pidgeon, who surely must have had an inkling of how this would go, actually took this on."

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.

No doubt. Just like when he represents the likes of Orly Taitz and her never ending Obama Birther cases.

Bunco artists have conservative seniors in their sights like never before.

I wonder how much he'll make on appeals...

nailingit — July 31, 2013 at 5:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Dogs do like to play ball with their humans.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 5:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks for the name - I looked her up and read a lot of those old articles from 2002 to 2005. Many of her arguments are quite compelling. For example, I drive Lombard a couple of times a month and can see the congestion with truckers trying to cross St Johns - What a mess that is. I also noted that Craig Pridemore disagreed with her solutions, though it wasn't clear why. From the later links, I gather she's heavily involved with Third Bridge Now.

I like Kevin Peterson's plan for replacing the current bridge - an upper level for interstate traffic, and a lower level for local. It also seems to be the only design that considered livability on Hayden Island. From a 2011 interview conducted by (OK - hiss, boo) on (Is there a tie between Temple and the Madore crowd? She seems to give them decent coverage.)

I like Ron Swaren's plan for a third bridge (he uses the same route over Cornelius Pass road to OR26 that I've argued for a western bypass. I'd start it on our side further north, though, and look at continuing the road down to I5 - a western loop.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Now, what was it I was saying about Hillary and Christie????

Chris Christie's unfavorable rating among #TeaParty Republicans is highest of any Republican tested


hawkeye — July 31, 2013 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 31, 2013 at 5:58 p.m

So glad you see things "my way". I've been pushing Peterson's bridge for years, long before Davy got into the game.

hawkeye — July 31, 2013 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I shouldn't limit my critique of the gullible. Ignorance and idiocy do cross party lines.

Like the Weiner hardened faithful in NY.

It just seems as though it's so pervasive on the right. With Limbaugh-Beck-Jones- and a million others who cater to the Conservative informationally challenged.

nailingit — July 31, 2013 at 6:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Off hand, what is the city law as pertains to raising money? You have park levies, and school levies that the people have to vote on - what else?

I've already said I thought that petition was misguided - They were trying to keep Vancouver from spending money on pretty vaguely worded aspects of the project. However, I'm wondering if they missed an opportunity to approach this from a different angle. The judge ruled voters can't pass laws to keep legislators from doing what falls into the normal purview of their function. However, can they pass one to keep those legislators from assuming a new function outside their current scope of control? Funding LRT O&M; falls under C-Tran; could an initiative restricting Vancouver City Council from assuming this from that agency have been put on the ballot? That's what Leavitt's gang, ICC and the Chamber of Commerce were (and probably still are) wanting. But if they do this, we who live outside city limits won't be subject to that funding mechanism.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh manthou! Not that “Had that money gone to charity” bit again. Leftists have no problem throwing money into legal challenges, Leftist think tanks, public outreach programs, protests, what have you But if a Rightist does the same thing….

It’s really too bad that those Koch brothers threw $20 million to the ACLU. Just think….

kn_dalai — July 31, 2013 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


I liked the old Peterson video that used to be posted - He covered a vision for the entire project, to include changing the swing span on the BNSF bridge. Someone who used to post under pdxtech9? pointed me to it. I haven't been able to find it the last couple of times I looked, though.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 6:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkeye: Christie said today (to get Rand Paul) that Kentucky is to the US as Yakima County is to Washington state. He won't be making any pals with the Eastern WA folks, either.

I do like him for a variety of reasons. Wonder if Hillary will, too?

roger: Most of the time I drive to the Northern Oregon Coast, I take the St. Johns Bridge to US 30 to Cornelius Pass road to US 26.

I am trying like hell to envision what that Cornelius pass bypass would look like. What a crazy, winding, dangerous road. Freight traffic uses it frequently, I have noticed, so they like to get to 26 by avoiding Portland, as I do.

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 6:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Wow - Crapper - Very good! A short, clever enough response.

Now kindly explain - Why is it OK for Goldie to smoke a bong to relax, but not OK for someone else to use cannabis extracts for medicinal reasons, this belief being evident by you calling him pothead?

And please - honest answers. I'd hate to see Goldie have to move beyond just suggesting you might be a half wit.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai: Touche. See how well I take it? It's Larry's money, afterall.

And the ACLU is worth everyone's extra money. We're gonna need it's advocacy more than ever.

manthou — July 31, 2013 at 6:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou - It would be a major project to just follow the road - but there's no real reason to do so. There's not much property to acquire, and it can probably be built on a straighter line with some judicious dynamiting and/or building overpasses. Also, something I saw when using google earth a while back is that at the S-curve right past Skyline heading to OR30 is the start of what appears to be an old rail line running the top of the ridge to the right of the road. I can't see any real use for it - nothing much happening out there - I'd build the highway following this until just before OR30.

I'm not fond of those bends around Skyline, and hate like hell getting caught behind someone driving slowly and cautiously when one of those logging trucks is coming up behind at twice a sane speed for something that big.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 7:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm a card carrying ACLUer (a cheap one; only $20 - OPB and animal shelters need my money more). Because Freedom Can't Defend Itself. Got the sticker on my truck. They're currently suing the Obama administration for phone records gathering.

roger — July 31, 2013 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

It’s really too bad that those Koch brothers threw $20 million to the ACLU. Just think….

kn_dalai — July 31, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.

:)).....Pull that shoulder in.....chin up soldier! .....that's better.


Imagine donating 0.04% of your assets one day, and garnering the documented praise and adulation of tens of thousands of wannabe sycophants and Libertarian Lemmings for all eternity on a daily basis.......

Here's a shiny object for you..

Koch Bros estimated combined worth is 50 Billion.

My trusty online % conversion calculator ----///+++:.:.:.:=$$$ says 20 Mil. from 50 Bil. is just that. 0.04%

You guys on the right fringe need & have your heroes. Just be honest about who they are.

That either requires a stroll outside of La La Land, or a desire to be honest with those you speak to.

Either way..'s a crap shoot.

nailingit — July 31, 2013 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hmmm... Sounds to me like Christie knows what he's talking about. Unless they've done some major fixing in the past 20 years, Yakima is a cesspit. There was some pretty countryside along the highways - especially the old route heading west to Mount Rainier - but the town itself was quite underwhelming.

Why is the town spelled Yakima, when it's named after the Yakama Indians?

roger — July 31, 2013 at 7:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Christie said today (to get Rand Paul) that Kentucky is to the US as Yakima County is to Washington state. -- manthou — July 31, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.

No, he didn’t say that.

You got that from The Stranger manthou. Christie did not say anything about Yakima or Washington State. On its very surface, a statement by New Jersey governor about a Kentucky US Senator, referencing Yakima Washington, would be highly suspect.

Here’s the headline from that Leftist “slog”:

Chris Christie to Rand Paul: Kentucky Is [sic] to the Nation What [sic] Yakima County Is to Washington State

The author of that “The Stranger” slog, as they call it; one “GOLDY”, stated what Christie said about the disparity between federal tax dollars paid by New Jersey and Kentucky, versus federal tax dollars received by those two states. But here’s the thing manthou, your “GOLDY” then went on to compare that to; Yakima versus Washington State. It was her own comparison, not Governor Christie’s. Go down to paragraph four starting with “That’s right”.


Let’s take a quick look at that. Yakima county has an Hispanic population of 45% while King county has an Hispanic population of 8.9%.



So does this GOLDY have some problem with Hispanics? If the Left holds themselves to the same standards as they try to hold the Right, then your “Goldy” could well be thought of as some sort of racist.


kn_dalai — July 31, 2013 at 8:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, because whiteys can't spell?

luvithere — July 31, 2013 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Honestly manthou, when it comes to your concern over journalist ethics and/or balance, you sometimes appear to be your own worst enemy.

kn_dalai — July 31, 2013 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai: Good work. Goldy (a man, by the way, David Goldstein) leans way to the left for sure. His own colleagues give him hell occasionally, and most of his SLOG pieces, like the one you linked, are opinion-based. I should have linked to it myself when I made that declaration. i usually do. He is like John Laird on steroids and without the humor.

We all are at risk for confirmatory bias if we were born human. I like Chris Christie and was enthusiastic of his public pounding of Rand Paul. I look forward to more of it because I think both will be Republican presidential candidates. May the best candidate remain standing and I know who I will place my bets on.

You should register at The Stranger and share your insightful thoughts with Goldy in the comments where they will have the greatest impact for balance. He also hosts a popular blog called The HorsesAss where you can also post. He is used to receiving feedback like yours. :)

And I agree: I can often be my own worst enemy. Damn me, anyway. :)

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 5:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


A wikipedia article on the origin of the Yakama name. Seems they changed the name to that in '94 to reflect the native language pronunciation. I figure the Yakama Nation was just being polite with that explanation.

I know they were getting pissed at us for tearing around the training ranges with our tanks, etc, back at that time. We talked a little about this and a few restrictions to consider in exercise planning meetings I sat in on. I'm not sure how that turned out; I moved on shortly afterward.

roger — August 1, 2013 at 5:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Washington state's Department of Ecology is mandating a study that may impact the coal terminal in Bellingham, thanks to citizen grassroots advocacy.

I wonder if they will try to do the same with the proposed Tesoro oil handling at the Port of Vancouver?

Crosscut article by Floyd McKay today:

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manthou — August 1, 2013 at 5:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — July 31, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.

The hounds of whinerville were barking up the wrong tree to begin with. This should be a countywide initiative, not just citywide.

goldenoldie — August 1, 2013 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou - That study seems to be directed mainly toward transporting coal via rail. See yesterdays' article in The Columbian - A few different locations are being looked at, and Corps of Engineers is also involved.

The article's header - Officials set 2-year study for Washington coal trains

roger — August 1, 2013 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

""Have a bong and relax lady. It is all in the name of fun and word exchanges.""

- and -

"What you fail to notice is that I am a person that is consistent with his thinking."

If that were true, then you would know I do not, would not and never have possessed OR utilized such a contraption for anything. Your comments are not consistent with the knowledge you possess.

""I can back up everything I say, what happens is that I refuse to give more info out to anonymous entities as other members of the forum. There is your explanation.""

Then don't ask others questions and expect responses. Simple as that.

Regarding organic gardening...

Have you forgotten who it is you are responding to???

goldenoldie — August 1, 2013 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My prediction is that Gov Inslee will bow to pressure from the groups who want to stop the coal and oil shipments - either by imposing very stringent restrictions, or by saying 'No' outright.

At that point the Feds will step in and invoke our favorite - the Interstate Commerce Clause. This area will be declared under federal jurisdiction, and the trade with China will be deemed critical to our national interests.

Oregon can get away with restricting this movement; they're a bit player and volumes proposed are/were relatively inconsequential. The main ports are in Tacoma and the Seattle area.

roger — August 1, 2013 at 6:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — July 31, 2013 at 7:38 p.m. - and - luvithere — July 31, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.

I decided to check out just who spelled the name wrong...and neither were wrong. According to a less than credible site (wikipedia), it referenced the YAKAMA Nation (formerly Yakima). Apparently it was the tribal organization who made the name change in later years after the town of Yakima was established.

Interesting what history tells us sometimes.

goldenoldie — August 1, 2013 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, I'm thinking he might bow down to pressures to stop any heating coal transport through Washington but may allow coal for other products. There should be regulations mandating covered hop cars for any mineral transport.

goldenoldie — August 1, 2013 at 6:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: I think the governor will do what you predicted in your comment at 6:40 am.

And I think the Feds will intervene, too. There will be lawsuits. And on it goes....

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 6:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"I know it when I see it. This is obscene."

Obscene or not: You are aware Phil Knight paid for it, right?

Drift — August 1, 2013 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

That said, Putin needs a knock on the noggin'.

///Russia grants Snowden asylum///

By Daniel Strauss - 08/01/13 12:17 PM ET

Russia has granted temporary asylum to National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, his lawyer announced on Thursday.
Snowden has been given permission to stay in Russia for one year and has already departed the Moscow airport, his lawyer said.

Read more:
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nailingit — August 1, 2013 at 9:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

From Greg Kimsey via BOCC Commissioner's Board Time yesterday:

The Freeholder election and 6 advisor votes will cost the county about $169,000 in additional funds for the ballot only.

For the voter's pamphlet, it will increase the cost $40,000 to a total of approximately $80,000.

Kimsey advised the commissioners Mielke and Madore (Stuart was absent) that he will be asking for supplemental funding for the Presidential election expenses, because of the unexpected extra expenses incurred for the Freeholders and 6 advisor votes.

Mielke says that getting the voters opinion is worth the cost.

Funny, though, he never thinks hearing from the opposition is worth much at all.


manthou — August 1, 2013 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

More from the Commish Board time:

Mielke asks Madore if he would pull one of the advisory votes if he hears enough opposition to it at the Monday public hearing.

Madore chuckles, and replies, "What's my track record?"

Mielke giggles back and Madore clarifies that "hearings are not elections."

So, if this how he feels about public testimony that opposes his view, why bother showing up, folks?

Madore also makes an aside about consulting with an architect about a viable bridge design and Mielke reminds him that this person is in Oregon. More chuckles. I'd love a follow up on that exchange. Are we going to have the Madore Memorial Bridge when all is said and done? Whatever: just build the damn thing before I die. Maybe he will donate funds to get naming rights.

They behave themselves better when Steve Stuart is in the room, quite frankly. Some of the gleeful aside exchanges reminded me of a middle school boys locker room.

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Not that I have spent any time in a middle school boys' locker room, mind you. Just envisioning a Saturday Night type skit. :)

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"The Freeholder election and 6 advisor votes will cost the county about $169,000 in additional funds for the ballot only.

For the voter's pamphlet, it will increase the cost $40,000 to a total of approximately $80,000."

Man, I've had math 'issues' since the 1st grade. Crazy, huh? I mean, beins I used to design piping systems and equipment for the pulp & paper and chemical industries.

That simple plus'ing and minus'ing stuff though...

So, admitting my ignorance, perhaps someone would care to tutor me a tad on the math quoted above? As usual, I doan get it.

Drift — August 1, 2013 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift: I don't get it, either. Just taking the figures quoted by Greg Kimsey to Madore and Mielke yesterday.

The advisory votes (6) and the Freeholder elections seem to be costing the county $209,000 more total (ballots and voter's pamphlet costs combined), not the nominal bargain that was heralded at first.

I guess that's the drift, Drift. Maybe the Columbian can parse it out better, since they have access to the minds who discussed it.

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 12:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

BTW, I am NOT saying it isn't worth it, just wish we had the correct figures on the front end, not as an aside at the end:

"Oh, by the way, we're going to be needing more funds ....."

Not a blink from Madore or Mielke when they were given the new figures. Now, if this had been coming from the Humane Society or CREDC, we would have heard a loud and resounding NO.

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 12:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — July 31, 2013 at 6:09 p.m. & manthou — July 31, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.

The fact that Christie is mentioned in the same breath as Hillary, speaks much to how the right has moved the goalposts, both in conversations & expectations. We need to consider the entirety of Chris Christie, which is more than a heavy lift. :)))

kn_dalai — July 31, 2013 at 12:0:)))

I'm not too familiar with the blog that was recommended to you at 5:20, but given your comments, it sounds tailor made.

Drift — August 1, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.

You sound like another one who is over qualified to engage in County politico business.

I seem to meet the County standards. I don't know much.

What I do know is they can contract out my services for Ten Grand, and I'll show them how to save 20.

"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today."


manthou — August 1, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.

I didn't think you were going all, "Debra Lafave" on us! :)

I took a look at "GOLDY", :) and I dig his blog's timely 'for the moment' beginnings.

David “Goldy” Goldstein—Stranger news writer—stumbled into politics in 2003 with a satirical statewide initiative to officially proclaim Washington’s serial anti-tax initiative sponsor, Tim Eyman, “a horse’s ass.” Goldstein transformed this campaign into his political blog,

His writing has also appeared on the Huffington Post and in The Nation, and he hosted “The David Goldstein Show” on KIRO for two years. He lives in South Seattle with his daughter, dog, cat, and everybody else who lives in South Seattle.

nailingit — August 1, 2013 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — August 1, 2013 at 8:04 a.m.

Yes. I know about Phil Knight and U of O. One of the articles mentioned that "Uncle Phil" has his own locker. I know about the OHSU Knight Cancer Institute too. Also, my son in law has a very good job with Nike and is paid very well.

Let's just say I have a blind spot when it comes to this display.

langenthal — August 1, 2013 at 2:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal — August 1, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.

So let me get this straight, Knight is good even though he pays his production workers $.20 per hour, because he donates a little money. The Koch brothers who pay all of their workers a good family wage are bad, even though they have donated hundreds of millions to medical causes? For the life of me I can't understand your logic.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert, do you know anything about the chance of anybody getting a very good job at Nike and what type of educational background and work ethics it takes to be able to land that job in the first place? (I too have a relative who once had a very good job at Nike till she retired so I write with some knowledge of the subject.) You aren't just handed the job on a silver platter. It's quite an extensive hiring process.

The production workers who get paid 20 cents per hour...there's a plethora of mixed information. I've provided 2 examples.

I've read in the following link that Nike doesn't own the factories where their shoes are produced:

In another link, it states the factory workers on average make $3.50 per hour in a country of cheap labor: have to figure in the cost of living and work ethics in these other countries. It's much different from ours. There's no excuse for abuse...ever.

goldenoldie — August 1, 2013 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 2:43 p.m
So let me get this straight, Knight is good

I did not say anything about Knight's character. I said that I knew he funded U of O athletics as well as cancer research. This was in answer to Drift.

I try to keep up so of course I know about the reports of the working conditions and wages in Nike funded factories outside of the US. I also know that Nike products aren't cheap.

Phil Knight can spend his money as he chooses. I'm not assigning good or bad to anyone. There is no logic to understand.

I still find this $68 mil college facility over the top.

You can read the comments to the Deadspin article, Oregon's New “Football Performance Center” Is A Decadent Monstrosity.

langenthal — August 1, 2013 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

goldenoldie — August 1, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.

It doesn't matter if they own the factories or subcontract to communists countries who pay 20 cents per hour they are culpable. They pay slave wages and charge $180 for a pair of their shoes, they are responsible. The Koch brothers on the other hand could be making their products off shore for a similar savings and they choose to provide living wage jobs here in the United States. Many of the same people who condemn the Koch brothers cheer parasites like Knight and Gates.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 1, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.

Harley Davidson and Koch industries are American companies that use American labor, Nike on the other hand pays $1.60 a day to children in Vietnam, and the average cost to feed the same children is $2.30 per day. Nike is NOT an American company they are an international slaver, my children will NEVER wear a Nike product.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 3:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Special hearing to consider adding topics to November ballot

A special public hearing is scheduled Monday, Aug. 5, for the Board of County Commissioners to consider whether to place six questions before county voters on Nov. 5.

The 10 a.m. hearing will be on the sixth floor of the Public Service Center, 1300 Franklin St.

If approved for the ballot, the transportation measures would ask:

- Should commissioners oppose any light rail project in Clark County unless supported by a majority of local voters?

- Should commissioners oppose any bus rapid transit project in Clark County unless supported by a majority of local voters?

- Should commissioners adopt a policy in support of an East County toll-free Columbia River bridge in the vicinity of Northeast 192nd Avenue?

- Should commissioners adopt a policy in support of a new bridge west of Interstate 5 to carry traffic to, from and through Northwest Portland?

- Should commissioners adopt a policy in support of replacing the existing Interstate 5 bridge?

The special hearing is not intended to debate or answer those questions. The purpose is to determine whether to call for advisory votes on each topic, said Board Chair Steve Stuart.

More information will be online at before the hearing.

Info copied from article below:

langenthal — August 1, 2013 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal

it doesn't seem very practical for these clowns to adopt anything beyond the next election. someone running for a commissioner position might very well oust the M&M;'s-even Stuart for that matter. The planning alone for a new bridge will probably take longer than these 3 guys will be on the county's dole. Then you'd have the construction phase pushing it out further.

Also, read where the US will be closing many embassies in the Mid-East & Asia this Sunday due to a POSSIBLE Al-Qaeda threat. I guess the folks running the circus think the boogyman doesn't read or hear the news. So they'll move the date, DUH! Are we being fed BS in order to justify a ridiculous position by the US government in the long-running and completely open-ended "war on terror"? IMO, this is nonsense to feed billions into the security racket and line the pockets of defense contractors. War is good business for some, all in the name of security. Sheesh.

mrd — August 1, 2013 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Frobert I agree with your intent.But take a look at what we wear.Almost everything we wear is made in poor countries.I wish we had more manufacturers here in the U.S.A.but we don't.I don't shop WalMart either because I don't like the way they operate.But I sure haven't been able to stop them.And I am sure they don't miss me.

timerick — August 1, 2013 at 4:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

langenthal: Notice how the wording for the 192nd Street bridge option, Madore's favorite, has "toll-free" on it and none of the others do?

That is blatantly "pulling" for the most votes.

God, these guys are shameless and it does not matter to them what anyone thinks: the hearings are pro-forma only.

There are skills needed to form such questions in a fair and balanced manner, and whoever penned these, ain't got the touch.

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 5:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick — August 1, 2013 at 4:51 p.m.

Last I knew New Balance shoes and Wrangler jeans were still made in the U.S.A. Truthfully though, it has been a while since I bought any myself, so I could be wrong.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 6:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal

holycrapola — August 1, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.

Do you have any link to support your 60% claim? I know that they produce in other countries for sale in those countries, but those sold in the U.S. are produced here.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 6:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Frobert, the last pair of New Balance that I bought said made in China. The Oregonian had a lengthy write up on New Balance, probably 20 years ago. The owner was trying to keep his company a made in the USA business, but one of the problems was that some of the component parts were all made elsewhere. So, while Nike and the others were 100% off shore, New Balance was some US made products, some offshore but 100% assembled in the US. Because of the regs. they could not label as US made. The owner was trying to get a change in that law. Don’t know what happened with that, although once in a while I have seen tags on some other products that read assembled in US from products made – fill In the blank.

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.

You could be right, I know Saucony, and Dexter went off shore, but last I new New balance still has several factories in New England. It has however, it has been 15 years since I was there.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 7:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.

According to New Balance they still employ 1300 U.S. factory workers and their subcontractors employ 7000 U.S. workers.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 7:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Glad to here that Frobert. That's a good reason to buy NB.

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 7:03 p.m

New Balance makes one men's shoe style here in the US. The others are made over seas.

hawkeye — August 1, 2013 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye — August 1, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
I don't know where you are getting your information, but according to their website they have 38 different styles made in the U.S.A. Additionally they have 10 styles assembled in the U.S.A. from foreign materials.,default,pg.html

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Anyone else look at those health insurance rates in that Columbian article posted today? It seems some company called Lifewise is the only one with exchange plans for Clark County. The people who dreamed this up are insane. I figure I could refuse to comply and I'd be Medicare eligible before my fines would reach even a quarter of my annual premium amount.

(Actually, I've got both TRICARE and the VA system, so I get to ignore everything. But if I didn't, I'd definitely blow this law off. I don't go to the doctor enough to pay full cost and reach even one month's premium - I'd never get past the annual deductible. All my premiums would be money flushed away.)

With that deferred employer mandate, uncovered people will almost have to buy into the exchange. Those with low enough of an income will possibly comply, but anyone making over about $35K would get off a lot cheaper just paying the $400 penalty and waiting for the next year to get on the employer plan. But if the employer opts out, then the crap game starts. 1% of gross income the first year, 2% for year two, 2.5% for year 3. (There's also low dollar fine amounts - $400, $800, etc.)

I see the ACA imploding. It's a poor plan that punishes the young who never go to the doctor, and the older having modest incomes (above $45K for an individual) with outrageously high premiums and no gov't rebate. There's no real plan to force compliance, and it will be hard enough to get people to pay the penalty. (Keep your deductions high enough that you come close to breaking even on your income tax so there's nothing for them to take. Garnishing wages? It'll take a mega expansion of the IRS; possibly even a new agency.

The only rational choice was a universal health plan.

roger — August 1, 2013 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I've been wearing Saucony since they put out the Jazz back in the '80s. Wore them when I ran a few marathons. I don't care where they make them - for my running style they were the best. (I also tried Aasics, Turntec and New Balance, but went back each time.)

roger — August 1, 2013 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 1, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.

At that time Saucony's were made in Bangor Maine, but that factory or "shoe shop" as the locals called them is long gone.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 8:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal

There's going to be little or no federal money for transportation projects, so I'd say BRT may also be in jeopardy - they were planning on getting New Starts money to build the 4th Plain route.

It looks to me as though the Repubs are making it clear that Transportation is going to join Defense in being among the harder hit departments.

I'm not sure about their legislation to stop the IRS from collecting the fines for ACA noncompliance, but they could conceivably refuse to increase their funding to levels where they can do this job.

Next year is going to be much uglier than this year was.

roger — August 1, 2013 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal

One thing we can all likely agree on is that we’d like to see the manufacturing jobs here in the US. That makes this a good subject.

From the NB website that frobert linked to:

“We’re proud to be the only major company making athletic footwear in the USA. One out of every four pairs of shoes we sell in the USA is made or assembled here. Where the domestic value is at least 70%, we label our shoes “Made in the USA.”

Well, one out of four ain’t great, but it’s a lot better than zero out of four.

However, take a tour of their shoes and prices. My quick observation is that the Made in USA are generally more expensive than the Assembled in USA. And also take a look at NB in the retail stores. I think you’ll find that all of their other shoes, the ones that are made off shore, and don’t seem to be offered on their website, are generally much less expensive.

That’s a problem. Cheap foreign labor I mean. At least NB seems to be passing the savings on through a lesser price. Not so much Nike,

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 8:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


When Saucony came out with the Jazz II (about '86) the entire sole came off one shoe on my first pair of them after less than 200 miles. I took a photo and sent it in a letter complaining that I had to pay more than for the Jazz, but got lower quality. Also sniveled about it throwing off my training for an upcoming marathon, because I'd have to back off until I broke in a new pair. About a month later I got a package (in Panama, mind you) with their high end shoe for elite runners to try out - A shoe that Runner's World listed at about $120 back when we thought $50 was steep. They definitely hooked me with that - I figure they've gotten somewhere near $10K from me since then.

roger — August 1, 2013 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Never take anything for granted anymore.

Something I learned today, from my counterpart in Seattle. GSA is getting us Hyundai Elantras as an option for a subcompact model. We both jumped at those, because last year's Ford Focus sucks royally - a total piece of crap that's causing us all kinds of maintenance down time.

Well, it seems Hyundai is having a hard time getting the mileage up to the 40 mpg they like to claim for this car, so they've done a few things to lower the weight. Like there is NO spare tire. Instead, you get some fancy little kit that does the same thing as a $10 can of Fix a Flat.

Damned Koreans are even better at Capitalism than we are.

roger — August 1, 2013 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Sorry, I can't base my shoe selection on where they are made, I have to go with what fits the best and doesn't hurt my feet. I even tried some "special" shoes that were supposed to be fit to me, and they hurt too, to the tune of $200.

hawkeye — August 1, 2013 at 9:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Damned Koreans are even better at Capitalism than we are. -- roger — August 1, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.

South Korean Roger. Not North Korean. There is a difference. Interesting since Capitalist South Korea has prospered, while (the USSR and China suported ) North Korea has been an abomination. A study in differing political ideology: and the results. Even if many of those 20 something y.o. South Korean kids don’t comprehend this themselves. And from what I’ve seen they don’t. I hope they never have to find out how ignorant they are.

Sorry, I can't base my shoe selection on where they are made, I have to go with what fits the best and doesn't hurt my feet. -- hawkeye — August 1, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.

You know hawkeye, you’ve expressed a real Libertarian outlook on this. See anything strange about a unionist having the outlook you’ve just expressed?

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 10:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

You know hawkeye, you’ve expressed a real Libertarian outlook on this. See anything strange about a unionist having the outlook you’ve just expressed?

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 10:23 p.m.

I prefer to think of myself as a "realist", thank you.

hawkeye — August 1, 2013 at 10:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I prefer to think of myself as a "realist", thank you. -- hawkeye — August 1, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.

I’m sure you do. Like all of your union realist comrades.

So since the unions take credit, as they without question have, for higher wages, and, and … la da dah, then just how do you Hawkeye, a proud unionist, snub your nose at Made in America, albeit higher priced products. OH! I’d really like to see you at one of your union meetings, with your shoemaker brothers, telling them how they can take a flying leap ‘cause you want to buy shoes that you actually like.


Oh this is precious. LOL!

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 11:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger, we have an 09 Focus that hs been virtually maintenance free since Day 1, and we bought it new. That car is marvelous. I found out too late that it was put together south of the border as we bought it just before they started indicating on the car where it is made. (Jumping into the discussion here). Managed to lecture Ford people a bit on that. Doesn't do any good but I got it out of the system.

I have been looking for a car for a couple years with good mileage, good mechanics, made here, and so far no luck. So I still drive my 13 year old car that I like best anyway.

Kn, I would prefer to buy American made, but it seems nearly impossible these days to get anything. And I am willing to pay more for this. If we do not support manufacturing here, we might as well close shop.

luvithere — August 2, 2013 at 5:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 11:06 p.m

I like "made in America", it's good for our economy. I usually buy made in America if I can, if I have a choice. My car was made in America, it says so on the door sticker. But like they say, if the shoe fits, wear it.

Also, I'm not going to take your bait, go fishing somewhere else. I need to go to work now for an American company.

hawkeye — August 2, 2013 at 6:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.

I haven't worn Nike brand shoes for many years. I choose USA-made.

frobert — August 1, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.

Nike isn't the only company thriving on questionable labor practices by countries in question. Try to avoid living your everyday life without something from these countries.

goldenoldie — August 2, 2013 at 7:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — August 1, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.

My gut instinct is telling me there's more to this story than the media is telling us. Could it be due to budget restraints as well or is there a bigger terror threat they're not caring to divulge other than with sharing a general concern to the public?


goldenoldie — August 2, 2013 at 7:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Follow the money: Pro-NSA congress members received a higher percentage of campaign cash from defense contractors than those members who voted against continuing this controversial surveillance program.

What a surprise:

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manthou — August 2, 2013 at 8:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — August 1, 2013 at 10:23 p.m.

I spent a year in Korea in '92, and had a couple of KATUSAs working for me. (The KATUSAs were the college educated sons of rich businessmen and other important people pulling their mandatory 2 year military service with us instead of in the Korean military, where life was much rougher.) We had a few conversations about the student protests going on outside our main base in Yongsan-gu up in Seoul. Their take was that we were seen as a stumbling block to reunification, but they also seemed to believe that the people of the North weren't ready to join the South and the vision these guys had for the future. The message that came through (quite clearly) was that they wanted to be allies and equal partners on the international business stage - they were not going to settle for being an economic vassal state. I'd say - 20 years later - that they've definitely achieved that goal. Good for them. It would be interesting to go back for a visit and find out their current views on these matters, but I suspect my lack of status would keep me from getting anywhere near where I'd expect them to be now.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I've also got several 2011 Ford Fusion HEVs (the hybrids) in our fleet. They are very nice cars that get fantastic mileage and have (so far) been virtually trouble free. Far superior to the Prius and other hybrids or electrics.

The tires are expensive (some sort of low friction design), and the dash computer takes an advanced degree to figure out (like with the oil reset).

I'd consider buying one now if not for one thing - the battery. This is not a highway cruiser; you need to drive about half your miles below 50 mph to ensure it gets properly charged. And I'm waiting to see how it holds up after the 5 year battery warranty expires. Over $5K to replace one is a bit steep.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger,question for you.Many years ago when I would bid on the GSA contract we had to confirm that the products we used were all produced in the U.S.A.Is that still the way they do it today?

timerick — August 2, 2013 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 1, 2013 at 5:50 p.m.

There's no way a 192nd Ave bridge could be toll free. It would almost certainly have to be state funded, and Oregon would decline to pay for something which would mainly benefit Washington. Currently, there's not enough business or commuters that far east to make this option plausible. In another ten years I suspect that will change. If this bridge would get built, then I'd also look toward a tolled highway looping around to link up with I5 north. I'm thinking a lot of commercial trucking would find this route into the southern Puget Sound area preferable to going I82/I90 through the passes and then down from Seattle.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick - I think that requirement went by the wayside a while back. I remember a ruling that we have to consider products from countries with free trade agreements with us on an equal level with products made in our country. (Which is how Hyundai can compete with Ford to supply cars.) At one time there was talk about rules about percentages of a product made here vs. overseas (again with cars - the country where the components were manufactured). I'm not sure if this is was ever enacted. And if it was, I suspect we'd be driving Toyotas rather than Fords and GMs.

All that stuff was far above my pay grade. I was a Contracting Officer's Representative - The "on the ground" person who made sure the terms of an awarded contract were being met. And nowadays I'm mainly a customer - I use whatever GSA provides. The whole game is a racket. My coworker, who handles ordering supplies for all our stations, was on one of her rants yesterday about how she can get a box of mechanical pencils from Office whatever for about $3, but because we have mandatory sources she's going to end up paying over $7 per box. And that's small stuff. The Army started enforcing purchasing rules a couple of years ago, and our cost of doing business climbed about 25% in that area - mainly due to the inflated prices for printer toner cartridges and boxes of paper charged by those mandatory sources.

A link to a page - A quick scan says they've made the rules complicated enough that an army of lawyers needs to review everything to make sure no one goes to jail.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou -

A Wash Post article on that alert, and the closures that were ordered. They lest embassy and consulate closures in the very last paragraph. Included are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. A question that has to be asked (again) is whether our allies in the region are unable to deal with the terrorist problem within their borders, or unwilling to do so.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 10:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger the government works in mysterious ways.In our trade they want the lowest price that is available.And that price is set by a national provider that the rest of us have to follow.The national provider is also the largest part manufacturer and installer in the world.They are in every industrialized country and have bought up every large US installing company from coast to coast.As independent shops we don't stand much of a chance competing.

timerick — August 2, 2013 at 12:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Please let the CC commissioners know how you feel about that "toll-free" language addition to the 192nd Street bridge option when you get the chance.

A simple email will do if you cannot testify about the language at the Monday public hearing.

I am all for gathering public opinion this way, but I think it stinks of manipulation to include the words "toll-free" on ONE option only, the 192nd Street Eastside bridge option.

This is Madore's pet project choice, of course.

They need to just get rid of "toll free" altogether or slap it on all three bridge option choices for reduced bias.

When the majority choose the 192nd Street bridge option because of that "toll-free" qualifier (not necessarily the location), Madore will use it to his personal preference advantage.

"See? The people have spoken! Let's only support the 192nd Street option!"

Amazing cahones on that guy. Is he used to working with stupid? Maybe subservient sycophants.......

manthou — August 2, 2013 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawk, that was funny and had it down just pat.
Manthou, sycophants it is. I bet you nobody ever tells him the truth at his company. Bet you he is the same at his big church in Camas. Gives money and expects sheep to bah along.
A narcissist if ever I saw one.

luvithere — August 2, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick -

The customer has the option on what vendor to use. When I send my notices out to have periodic maintenance done on our vehicles, I steer people away from those oil change places that pretend to give a thorough safety inspection - I want it done by a qualified mechanic who, if he turns up something needing corrected, can explain the issue to GSA's Maintenance center and get the fix approved. We can use anyone on GSA's approved vendor list; I'm told quality of work drives the decision to place someone there - not cost. I've already spoken to my contact here at GSA in Vancouver, who in turn spoke with the person who handles the Bonneville fleet - your shop comes highly recommended, and I was told they push windshield work your way.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 3:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I have never gone to the Clark County Fair. I sure don't want to go on opening day with the "free breakfast" crowd. Yikes. Some look like they could use to skip a breakfast like pancakes once in awhile.

Anyway, any advice or suggestions? Surely here at the Forum there are some fair-going experts.

manthou — August 2, 2013 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou - That e-mail just went out. I asked them to drop the "toll free" part as the State has made it clear all bridge projects will be tolled as part of the funding process. To put something that asks for this is just pandering to the "something for nothing" crowd; they should instead consider a simple, low tolls bridge. I also said that while right now this may not be the best option, I can see where down the road (within 20 years) it would be highly desirable.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Thanks Roger,we do quite a bit of work for Jim at BPA.Very nice man to work with.Most of what we do are BPA heavy trucks and fork lifts.

timerick — August 2, 2013 at 3:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Manthou at least the guy in the orange is running.

timerick — August 2, 2013 at 4:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Use the C-Tran Shuttle from either the 99th Street TC or the Van Mall TC. They've got the schedule posted, and $2 each round trip beats the hassle of parking at the fairgrounds (which costs $6). I drove to their home improvement/garden event a couple of years back, and it took a while to maneuver through the parking. I gather the buses have some sort of restricted route that makes them much faster.

I haven't been to this one, but county fairs are all pretty much the same - lots of animals and judging of same, lots of food guaranteed to put a few pounds on, and a show or two as the daily main event. If you're looking for a recommendation, I'd go with the bull riding this coming Tuesday evening or the MotoX on Thursday - depending on which way you'd rather see people do crazy and dangerous stuff.

roger — August 2, 2013 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — August 2, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.

Depending on your interests, bring lots of money.

hawkeye — August 2, 2013 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So, ya gotta wonder... Okay, I don't suppose "you" gotta, but I do sometimes.

We're in the midst of this whole NSA thing with the phone snooping and whatnot, right? And numerous U.S. embassies have shut down for security's sake, and there's a travel advisory, and stuff.

What do you want to bet it will be released the intel came from the snooping? I'll go so far as to say it will be released that it was email related (as opposed to phone).

You can put up anything shiny as a bet. Something reflective ;^)

Drift — August 2, 2013 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — August 2, 2013 at 7:15 p.m

I got some real purdy fishing lures but I don't think I'd bet against you on this one. They have to justify it somehow. Just like every time there's a wreck on the I-5 bridge, someone wants to build a new one.

hawkeye — August 2, 2013 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

timerick @ 4:14. Yeah. For a free pancake. Publishing a shot of the crowd rushing the breakfast bar is not the prettiest picture of the Clark County unwashed masses. But it speaks volumes.

roger: Good for you in giving the 3 Amigos your feedback. Let's see what happens to the "toll-free" adjective in the final ballot. I know others who are hopping mad over the blatant manipulation. These guys actually make over one hundred grand each for thinking this stuff up.

Drift @7:15 pm: I remember Homeland Security playing with the color coded warnings when they wanted to scare the citizens into submission and caving to the Patriot Act. You may have a point and be right on about this new travel advisory: they got that info through NSA surveillance and it saved our lives, by God. Or that will be the story.

My favorite line spoken by Alan Arkin in Argo: "When you want to sell a lie, get the press to do it for you."

manthou — August 2, 2013 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

As I’ve said before, the Left does not distinguish between public and private.

(Translation for you hawkeye: this is a private matter and does not and should not involve government.)

If Leftists had their way, they’d use government to force Christian churches to hire Tibetan Buddist priests to lead Sunday prayer services. Diversity is such a beautiful thing.

kn_dalai — August 3, 2013 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — August 3, 2013 at 9:03 a.m

Yes, yes, I know, thanks for spelling it out for me cause we people on the "left" are so dumb we needs you right wingnuts to tell us EVERYTHING!

(Translation for you, kn, blow it out your rectal orifice)

But I'll bet there's going to be a lawsuit there somewhere.

hawkeye — August 3, 2013 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Classy hawkeye, but laughing, with you, anyway:)

Naw, no lawsuit here. Nothing to hang their hat on.

kn_dalai — August 3, 2013 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Just an FYI, Don Benton is going to be on "Straight Talk' on channel 8 at 6:30 tonight.

I'm guessing "straight answers" are not required.

hawkeye — August 3, 2013 at 9:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Not so loud with that Buddhism talk! Gov Inslee may start getting ideas about going to Bhutan like Gov Kitzhaber did.

roger — August 3, 2013 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Mean while some of our troops (Patty Murray where is your support for the troops now?) that are deployed are going without a meal/or hot meals, we the people can't get to the WH, well you can IF you are the privileged hollywood elite..

Feds give laid-off Boeing workers a big helping hand
Local Boeing workers who’ve lost their jobs will receive substantial additional federal unemployment benefits after two unions at the company sought aid under a program for employees laid off due to outsourcing and foreign trade.

The Labor Department ruling also means that if laid-off Boeing workers need to travel, say to California, for a job interview, the government will reimburse 90 percent of the costs.

If they relocate for a new job, the government will pay 90 percent of their moving expenses and provide an additional lump-sum relocation allowance of up to $1,250.

While unemployed, they’ll also get a tax credit for nearly three-quarters of their health-care premiums. And they’re eligible for a grant of up to $25,000 toward the cost of a degree.

And for those workers over 50, if they have to take a lower-paid job after leaving Boeing, the government will provide up to $10,000 over two years in supplementary pay to make up some of the difference.

soul_pancake — August 3, 2013 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I suppose I'll have to look at the hot meal for troops business at some point, but back in the days before we were tripping over contractors we took care of ourselves. And those C-Rats were a lot heavier to lug around than the MREs we have now.

Interesting program there - If you lose your job due to your employer outsourcing overseas, then the gov't has a nice little, poorly advertised program to help you get back on your feet. But if the job moves to a different state - no help. (Nowhere in the article does it say they billed Boeing back for this.) You'd think the Feds would find ways to make it more expensive to move jobs offshore instead.

roger — August 3, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 3, 2013 at 10:24 a.m

Yeah, when he’s over there, maybe he can sell em a bridge with lite rail between Thimphu and Lhasa. Let those people try to deal with him.

kn_dalai — August 3, 2013 at 1:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

soul_pancake — August 3, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.

Government help for displaced workers over outsourcing to Canada or Mexico was part of the NAFTA deal, but this sounds like it’s something different.

kn_dalai — August 3, 2013 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

hawkeye: Thanks for the Straight Talk heads-up. Just finished watching Herr Benton explain why he is qualified to run Environmental Services: I am gonna keep us out of litigation. Laurel Porter tried to play hardball, but she's no Chris Matthews. She asked him several times about not having to interview.

I wish he would clear his phlegm-filled throat. Ick.

So, is that the performance skill he will be evaluated on? Keeping Clark County out of legal trouble?

manthou — August 3, 2013 at 6:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Eric Cantor Pressuring Wife To Try New Political Position///

WASHINGTON—House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has reportedly been pressuring his wife to try new political positions, claiming the same old ones are getting stale after 24 years of marriage. “Come on, baby, let’s try a little pro-gun control, or maybe a little reverse pro-gun control, just to spice things up,” sources overheard Cantor saying to his wife Diana, right after suggesting that she might try getting in the mood by playing with her position by herself a bit before entering into passionate debate. “I’ll role-play a neoliberal who’s been naughty on security issues, and you’ll be a social-conservative minx who wants to deny hospital visitation rights for gay couples all night long. We’ll have a safe word so I can go back to being an ideologically inconsistent Republican if things get too intense.” Diana Cantor commented that while she supports her husband trying to keep the discourse fresh, she is too tired to try any new political positions tonight.,33146/

nailingit — August 3, 2013 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

///Roberts’s Picks Reshaping Secret Surveillance Court///

WASHINGTON — The recent leaks about government spying programs have focused attention on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and its role in deciding how intrusive the government can be in the name of national security. Less mentioned has been the person who has been quietly reshaping the secret court: Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.

Ten of the court’s 11 judges — all assigned by Chief Justice Roberts — were appointed to the bench by Republican presidents.

In making assignments to the court, Chief Justice Roberts, more than his predecessors, has chosen judges with conservative and executive branch backgrounds that critics say make the court more likely to defer to government arguments that domestic spying programs are necessary.

Ten of the court’s 11 judges — all assigned by Chief Justice Roberts — were appointed to the bench by Republican presidents; six once worked for the federal government. Since the chief justice began making assignments in 2005, 86 percent of his choices have been Republican appointees, and 50 percent have been former executive branch officials.

Read more @

nailingit — August 3, 2013 at 8:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I went to the fair yesterday. Took the bus from the Vancouver Mall. Being a senior I got in for seven dollars. Nice!!

I missed the cattle and horses but I managed to see and enjoy just about everything else that was available.

Now I go to the fair for the fair? food. I admit it. One day a year I go and eat every thing wrong. One of the most enjoyable finds was the foot long hand dipped corn-dog. And those curly fries were something else. I did not know that corn-dogs came in a foot-long. But I also found that they come in 18 inch version as well. You talk about a heart-attack on a stick!!!

Water prices were an issue though. I bought a bottle for $2.50. It was at the grandstand vendor. 2 hours later I bought one from a vendor for $2.00 up by the main walk. Now I expected to pay through the nose for items at the fair but that vendor by the grandstands was a greedy little ....

I had to have the peach shake. The line wasn't too long and the wait was worth it as usual. I took my cousin and she loves ice cream. She had never had a peach shake with real chunks of peach in it. She almost went back for a second one. I don't know where she puts it. She only weighs in at a buck seven.

Elephant ears!! What can I say? And funnel cakes. WOW!

The Blue Oyster Cult was good ol' nostalgia. Just what most were there to see. I saw one cute ol' lady with a walker who was rocking and a swaying to the music. She appeared to have a few generations of kids with her. As I sat there and watched the band I was zoning out. Just like the old days!?

I have just one question about the smoking areas. Over by the grandstands the smoking area was way less than twenty feet from the row of propane tanks. Some people were almost leaning against them. Was that safe? I didn't see one fire extinguisher around the smoking areas. The grass was tinder dry and the butt containers were surrounded by wood wishing well looking structures. Someone had to pour water on one. Note to the smokers; please don't bring your kids to the area. They have enough problems breathing with you smoking around them. They don't need to be exposed to more. If you bring the kiddies to the fair leave your smokes at home.

I know I'm going to pay for this one day of folly but it was worth it!!!!!!!

JohnCasey — August 4, 2013 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal

JohnCasey: Your review of your CC Fair experience was a great start to my day! As I mentioned earlier, I have not yet had the pleasure and was thinking the food just might be the best draw for me, as well. I am a sucker for hand-dipped corn dogs.

I will not be able to attend the Avett Brothers concert because I will be out of town, but their music is beyond good, in my estimation.

Once a year food indulgences are well-earned and probably won't kill us, if we make mostly healthy choices most of the time.

Thanks, much, for your perspective. :)

manthou — August 4, 2013 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Good review, John. But I'm puzzled; doesn't the ban on smoking in public places apply at the fairgrounds? And if the answer is 'No' - Then the proper trip down Memory Lane with BOC would have been to fire up a big fat ol' doobie and pass it around.

roger — August 4, 2013 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Happy Birthday Mr President

roger — August 4, 2013 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — August 4, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.



On MTP this morning, Rick Santorum threw his hat in the ring for 2016.

Shaping up nicely. Santorum-Paul-Cruz- Can't wait!

A little perturbed with folks comparing this current terrorism threat to the bogus threat levels during the Bush Admin. In the 5 years since Obama was elected this hasn't been an issue. This isn't Bush. It appears we have a real threat, to include A-Qaeda leadership declaring such.

Local pop who have hunkered down in their safe, quiet, humble abodes in Clarkistan need to remember something..

..there are folks out there whose life purpose is to do us harm. Real harm. Sustaining harm. They are real, and the enemy is as patient as they are active.

We get crap about Benghazi in the aftermath, but when measures are taken to prevent such then...damned if you do and damned if you don't. The House cutting Embassy security funding doesn't help either. Where's the outrage about that?

I guess it's the American way. Have your cake and eat it too. But sooner or later..

nailingit — August 4, 2013 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Sour grapes before they are picked from the vine. Cautionally sweet to progressive taste. The right continues to set their agenda as one being victimized. Here's some good crying points.

///16 Reasons Why Hillary Clinton Will Win 2016///

Sorry, folks, this race is over. Conservative Myra Adams lists the many reasons Hillary will win the White House in 2016—from gross media bias to groupthink and barrels of money.

By the standards of “political time,” where in one day a candidate can go from frontrunner to underdog, the 2016 presidential election is decades away. But from this vantage point, all signs point to Hillary Clinton coasting to the Democrat Party nomination and winning the White House.

As a lifelong Republican, I am not pleased with my own prediction—nothing would thrill me more than if a conservative were to win back the presidency. But my political reality instincts lead me to believe the following. (And I’ve been right before: in January 2011, I cowrote “12 Reasons Obama Wins in 2012.”)

Unless there is a radical change of circumstances within the Republican Party and its crop of presidential wannabes, or some unforeseen cataclysmic national event that dramatically alters the current economic and political landscape, or a serious deterioration in her health, Hillary has it locked up.

Here are 16 reasons why Hillary Clinton is poised to be elected the next president of the United States, in order of importance.

Read more @

nailingit — August 4, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Are investigative journalists criminals?

This is a great NYT article by Adam Liptak about the prosecution of whistleblowers in this new age of NSA citizen surveillance.

"The federal government is prosecuting leakers at a brisk clip and on novel theories. It is collecting information from and about journalists, calling one a criminal and threatening another with jail. In its failed effort to persuade Russia to return another leaker, Edward J. Snowden, it felt compelled to say that he would not be tortured or executed."

Read on: [link text][1]


manthou — August 4, 2013 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, this is going TOOOOOOO far;

A memo which was circulated within local government in Washington state, before being leaked to local TV station KOMO News, advised state workers that they should refrain from using such phrases in official business.

According to the memo, the word ‘citizen’ is offensive to those Seattlelites who are residents in the city, but not US citizens.

The phrase ‘brown bag’ is offensive for its having been used as a verb during racial segregation in the United States. When deciding whether or not a black person was light-skinned enough to enter a private residence, servants would ‘brown bag’ them: using a paper grocery bag to gauge their skin tone.

The memo’s author Elliott Bronstein, who works in the city’s Office for Civil Rights, wrote: "Luckily we’ve got options. For ‘citizens’, how about ‘residents’?”.

“To replace ‘brown bag’”, he continued, tackling the offensive phrase that employees use to describe their packed lunches, “we can go with ‘lunch-and-learn’ or ‘sack lunch’”.

hawkeye — August 4, 2013 at 11:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Next we will be told not to even look at another person, it might be offensive.

Some clothing and color is offensive. When will they require all to wear the same color and style like uniform?

soul_pancake — August 4, 2013 at 1:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal

A comparison between the CEO of McDonalds and a store worker in Chicago. These minimum wage part time jobs make up a high percentage of the ones being created in our alleged economic recovery.

I'm not certain a strike of minimum wage workers or a customer boycott would be effective, like some are calling for.

Store managers have a very effective weapon - the work schedule. You want to be outside on a picket line, and your hours drop. A customer boycott means similar cuts. Anyone who has to survive off of a minimum wage income will suffer much quicker than the store owner will.

And then there's the argument that everyone else will want a similar increase in pay. Hell yeah - The top 1%ers aren't the only ones who should be better off in a recovering economy.

roger — August 4, 2013 at 4:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — August 4, 2013 at 4:34 p.m.

Maybe they can get those "occupy" people to organize it. They will have to organize porta-pottys and get things to drink out on the line since they can't go into the stores they are picketing.

hawkeye — August 4, 2013 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Rog, I wish I coulda but there was way to much fuzz around. And don't forget about the kiddies. Besides it may be legal in our own home but it's still frowned upon in public. As I moved through the crowd there wasn't any familiar odor in the wind if you know what I mean.

But You all knew what I was talking about anyway!!

I had one complaint about the layout for the ADA people, of which I'm one. I still can walk though. If you were sitting there you couldn't see the left side of the stage for all the gear in the way. Bummer dude. Some had assistance in getting a closer view. But once your down on the grass you played merry hell getting out if you needed to. The crush of people was a little disconcerting. But all was well for the most part. Like I said it brought back a lot of memories of concerts past.

JohnCasey — August 4, 2013 at 7:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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