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Syrian debate currently on. Menendez is making me ill.

What a way to frame a so-called "debate". I might have to bail in favor of a horror movie. Less frightening.

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What do you guys think? Do we go with our President and Speaker and bomb Syria or do we hold back and let the Arab Nations handle their own problems.Right now I would say we stay out.I am not convinced to go into it.I would like to hear from some of our Vets on this.I have heard from some and all so far say to stay out.

timerick — September 3, 2013 at 1:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Tim...

My opinion??? Number one concern is the children. What has been done is despicable and unimaginable in the western world. Assad needs to be held accountable for what has happened. Number two concern is the distinct possibility that his military has more chemical weapons and he has allies we don't get along with...allies with more fire power. Number three concern is that any US involvement will bring imminent destruction to the Israelis and possible attacks on US soil, whether they be military strikes or terror attacks. Number four and certainly not the least concerning is the fact that no Americans were attacked, provoking any kind of attack on Syrian land and the high likelihood that innocents would be killed.

Do we need a global war which is about to happen if the US strikes Syria??? Does anybody???

I believe international law should play a major factor in this attack and I believe international court should come into play...especially with the evidence collected and pressures from the countries who are against what Assad has done. He needs to be tried and convicted as a war criminal.

And of course...that's my opinion.

goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 2:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — September 3, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.

You trust no Arabs? They're free spirited, sleek riding horses.

Oh...oh...you mean People of Arab descent...8P

Why do you not trust them, holyc??? And just how do you know what an Arab looks like?

You think they'd trust you???

goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 2:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Tim,

We've got no business there. Reports continue to come out that just perhaps the rebels did this to themselves, through mishandling chemical weapons they had hidden. The UN's chief inspector had already determined both sides had chemical weapons, and that both sides had committed so-called atrocities (murders) against the civilian populace. And we also know that al Qaeda in Iraq is fighting on the side of the rebels. This is a civil war; one that has become increasingly bloodier as Russia sends weapons to Assad and we send them to unknown "freedom fighters." So far we've been involved in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, and have deposed "tyrants" in the last two. All three are bloodier and more dangerous today than before we went in. Anyone who believes that outcome will be different in Syria is delusional.

Also, as I've stated before, you cannot win without having people on the ground. We can fire all 3500 of those $1 million Tomahawks we have in our arsenal at Assad's strongholds. So what - He's already dispersing his military and his weaponry. We may take out his Air Force, but his ground troops will survive this. And they will be rearmed in short order by the Russians and by Iran. Both of those countries have made it clear that they will respond to support Assad.

At this point, I'm hoping for China to step up. They seem to be the only ones our government will listen to anymore. (A nice little "secret" our government doesn't like our people to know is about how Iran gets their oil. They can drill, but they can't build the refineries to process it due to our embargo. So they sell crude to the Chinese oil company Sinopec, who in turn sells fuel to the Iranians. The Chinese government made it very clear to us that it's in our best interests to stay out of this, and we have. Look into Sinopec; they're now operating throughout the Mideast. Exxon Mobil may still be the biggest player, but Sinopec is closing fast. And unlike Exxon Mobil, Sinopec works in the best interests of their government.

roger — September 3, 2013 at 2:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Kerry's pissed! He was on his last nerve before Paul started in. Turning out to be a good debate, in what started to be a rubber stamping of Obama's want of war.

Anyone watching? This is covering many nuances and variables of this pending action.

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 2:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Tim: I do not want to send any of our sons and daughters into another war. Since our country has engaged in wars since before its inception, I don't hold out any hope that this reality will change any time soon.

David Madore: Has he come to Don Benton's defense on FB? No, not yet. His new post compares his work at Clark County like that of a pastor in a church.

Oh, Lord. Save us.

manthou — September 3, 2013 at 2:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 3, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.

"Reports continue to come out that just perhaps the rebels did this to themselves, through mishandling chemical weapons they had hidden."

This would be welcome news for those against military action. Any mainstream sources?

So far in this hearing, it's more than a given Assad is behind the recent attacks.

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 2:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Timrick,

Just watched the hearing..Kerry refused to answer about "no boots on the ground". He left the door open on that. Not good.

I still say for the US to stay out of this. My gut keeps telling me to look at Al Qaeda involvement in this mess.

I'd like to know what has happened between Kerry and Assad..seems their friendship they once had, has had a falling out.

ELISI — September 3, 2013 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

I've heard it on the news on the radio today, while driving around at work. Supposedly, a Syrian rebel says they acidently set off their own stored weapons. It sounds pretty much like someone is running with the source I posted yesterday. Our problem remains one that others are also in doubt.

Having said this, there's an article on al Jazeera where the Arab League claims Assad is guilty, but they insist the intervention needs to come from the UN. They want Assad tried as a war criminal. But the UN Sec'y General continues to say No.

roger — September 3, 2013 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Maybe someone has seen something I haven't. Near as I can tell, Obama is hanging his hat on a report from an opposition leader that chemical weapons were used and a French report the opposition did not have the ability to use these type of weapons. If that's all he's got, he should re-consider. As far as US intelligence intercepting coded messages indicating anything, well, fool me once.......

mrd — September 3, 2013 at 3:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Also, they oppress women, they drink and womanize even though their religion does not allow it."

Sounds like a good Baptist.

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 4:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HC I might be wrong but I think outfits like Blackwater were and are used to protect things like water supply,oil terminals and things behind the lines.I don't believe they go out and confront the enemy.That is left to our enlisted ground troops.I am not willing to sacrifice any more of our troops.It is easy to sit back and say go after them.But until you are the one that is being shot at and stepping on IEDs and watching your fellow soldiers die than you can't really know what you are talking about.No one wants chemical and biological weapons used against us or anyone else.That is not what we are saying.

timerick — September 3, 2013 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WMD's? This is sounding awfully familiar.

frobert — September 3, 2013 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — September 3, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.

Makes me wonder if your ancestry is connected to General Philip Sheridan.

goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 5:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


frobert — September 3, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.

This time around, the chemical WMD's were used on the people. During Papa Bush's era, he failed to complete what he started. When Junior had a go of it...he failed to find the evidence, most likely because it had already been shipped to neighboring countries like Syria.

goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"""So, give thanks that we have the best weaponry in the world and that we will set this mass killer straight."""

You sure about that, holyc???

goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 5:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.

Well at least THIS time when I sprayed my mouthful of my drink all over my computer's monitor when I read your comment, it was only water. 8))

goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


RTC meeting now. If you haven't seen Madore, here's your chance.

BoCC at 6:00.

langenthal — September 3, 2013 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal -- September 3, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.

I'm watching RTC and banging my head against the wall (as usual). A visual definition of micromanagement.

pfaffmachine — September 3, 2013 at 5:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 5:24 p.m

Sounds like you've known a few. :)

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frobert — September 3, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.

frobro! What up?

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 6:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 3, 2013 at 5:21 p.m

"This time around, the chemical WMD's were used on the people"

...and we were told then that Saddam used them against the Kurds.

frobert — September 3, 2013 at 6:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You guys crack me up.

Roger is the only sane one among you. Seems it would be prudent (yes, a Bush word) to find out the real story before we start dropping bombs on everything that moves. Wouldn't you think? If we can't find out, stay out. Eventually they'll mess up and overthrow or kill Assad and someone new will take over. Maybe better, maybe not.

hawkeye — September 3, 2013 at 6:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal


And we don't even know for sure that it was Saddam who gassed the Kurds in Halabja - circumstantial evidence (which army used what gas at the time) points to Iran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/a-war-crime-or-an-act-of-war.html?src=pm

Another reason to doubt what we're told now; we have a habit of reinventing "facts" for our own purposes.

roger — September 3, 2013 at 7:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal and pfaffmachine: I have been glued to the TV since 4 pm. What can I say? I have no life. The C-Tran Board next week will be a barn burner. Other Board members are pushing back, finally, and it is worth the price of admission to see.

Without Stewart, Madore and Mielke are doing a lot of back and forth arguing with the citizens giving testimony, rather than listening. Mielke is even scolding. Madore is praising Nasset, showing favoritism.

Listen and smile, make notes and move on.

manthou — September 3, 2013 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou -- I'm glued, too! Ah, that not-so-distant memory of Mielke saying something along the lines of "We're hear to listen" when people were pushing back about Benton. Selective engagement.

pfaffmachine — September 3, 2013 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HC - You sound like the f'ing pogue who went and bought all his medals at the PX before going home to tell the folks at the local Legion what a hero he was.

There are at least three of us you have no business telling what soldiers will or won't do. And all three of us know what it is/was to support a regime that was probably more oppressive than the one we were against. (My first was El Salvador, by the way. And I still doubt there were any good guys in that whole mess with the Serbs, Bosnians and Kosovars.) Also, I sort of suspect we could include Nails in this group; I'm sure that somewhere along the line at State he had similar thoughts about what he was doing. So - Your moralizing and pontificating on such topics as duty falls short - You haven't done squat.

We've outgunned every enemy we've faced since Korea. Home turf, among other things, also counts.

We are all saying to proceed with caution - We've gone into many a conflict after being told something dire requires it, only to find out afterward it wasn't true. Syria is particularly dangerous; this has the potential of blowing up into a major conflict. Putin in particular is spoiling to put us in our place.

And you know what? For the past couple of days you've reinvented yourself once again. I'd say you need to join one of those groups itching for the final conflict, or some such crap.

roger — September 3, 2013 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here's a chance to vote in a Columbian poll:

http://www.columbian.com/polls/2013/sep/columbian-did-story-sunday-state-senator-don-bento/

langenthal — September 3, 2013 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HC, and what you keep spewing is beyond ignorant. Sure we might be watching but not really seeing. Not everything is cut and dry. Well, maybe in your black and white world, but for everyone else there ARE shades of gray.

hawkeye — September 3, 2013 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 3, 2013 at 7:54 p.m

Yes, thank you.

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hawkeye — September 3, 2013 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Thanks Roger you said it a lot better than I.It is easy to say what you would do if you have never had your life on the line.We need to go forward with caution.Not blind ignorance.I do not trust Kerry any farther than I can see him.He has shown his colors before.

timerick — September 3, 2013 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal: Thx for the poll link.

pfaffmachine: What really got my attention was Mielke surly interchange with one of the last speakers, a woman. She was one of the Felida Cougar Creek Park advocates. Very articulate and very sure of her information.

She got Mielke to deny, on tape, that he had anything to do with plans to sell part of that park to a developer.

She indicated that the press (Columbian, I assume) was working on a story that would prove otherwise. Mielke said something like, "Well, the press has never been my friend."

Nor should it, Tom.

Hoo, boy. Cannot wait.

manthou — September 3, 2013 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal


New Mexico alt-weekly sues governor for blocking public record requests. She does not like the coverage they have given her (scrutiny, more like it) and this appears to be pay back.

She, like Madore, ran on a platform of "transparency."

Only one way transparency, apparently:

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[1]: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/03/santa-fe-alt-weekly-sues-republican-gov-for-deciding-that-the-publics-business-is-not-public/

manthou — September 3, 2013 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Manthou, Eric Hidle is doing a story on the park situation, of which I know nothing. You're right, that speaker was indeed sharp. Don't mess with the Felida neighborhood association was my takeaway.

The Nasset/commissioner exchange was eight minutes long, FWIW. Somehow I don't think that would have happened if Stuart had been chairing...

pfaffmachine — September 3, 2013 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 3, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.

There’s you roger and there’s timeric. Just curious who you think the third is. No offense to nail, but I always thought he worked for a private company that did work for the military, which was unrelated to any field type operations. Don’t know what that is, but that could be a lot of things. Since you brought this up….

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Last week, I’d have thought that Congress would give the go ahead for the Syria action, mostly in order to back an American President’s line in the sand stance. There’s always the issue of bipartisan support of the President in order to promote American credibility in military actions. With the exception of HC, the opinion here seems to be stay out of the whole thing, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Too many unknowns about what really happened. No real threat to American security other than the usual things. One must wonder just what Obama is looking at here, unless it’s the old “I know things that the rest of you don’t” . As far as I’m concerned, he’s damaged his credibility beyond repair already. Never should have suggested that he was prepared to engage in military action without Congressional approval.

I’m liking drift’s thought that HC is really a student collecting data for a dissertation. HC first came on here near three years ago as phoenix_rising. Then many others after he got booted that first time. Always the same, though he’s actually mellowed a bit. Just the same, he’s always been fun, just to liven things up.

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She got Mielke to deny, on tape, that he had anything to do with plans to sell part of that park to a developer. -- manthou — September 3, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.

Actually, it was also Bill Barron that denied any plans to sell park property. Madore quite specifically questioned Bill Barron on the issue of parks, in response to one of the speakers from Felida who alleged that the county was going to sell some property in Felida which had been purchased for park development. Barron said that an inventory of the parks was being done, (better that ever before as I heard it), and that there has been no consideration to sell any property. Considering the amount of park land in that small area, maybe that SHOULD be on the table, but according to Bill Barron, it is not.

kn_dalai — September 3, 2013 at 9:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Been awhile knd..what's with no avatar?

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Well there you go President Obama. Your ticket to impeachment. (please don't cash it)

Talk about a story with legs...

///Ban Ki-Moon warns against Syria strike///

The U.N. chief says a missile attacks could prompt further turmoil

BY ASSOCIATED PRESS

UNITED NATIONS — U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday warned that any “punitive” action taken against Syria for an alleged chemical weapons attack last month would be illegal without Security Council approval or a sound case for self-defense.

The U.S. and France have blamed Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime for the alleged Aug. 21 attack and are considering military action in response. Such a strike would almost certainly occur without the approval of the Security Council, where Russia and China have consistently used their veto power to block action against Assad’s regime. The Obama administration argues that a chemical weapons attack cannot go unpunished because of the council’s inaction.

“As I have repeatedly said, the Security Council has primary responsibility for international peace and security,” Ban said at a news conference. “The use of force is lawful only when in exercise of self-defense in accordance with article 51 of the United Nations Charter and or when the Security Council approves such action.

He also warned that a military strike against Syria could unleash more turmoil and bloodshed in a crisis that has already killed more than 100,000 people.

“I take note of the argument for action to prevent a future use of chemical weapons. At the same time, we must consider the impact of any punitive measure on efforts to prevent further bloodshed and facilitate the political resolution of the conflict,” Ban said.

President Barack Obama received key support from leaders in Congress on Tuesday for a potential strike.

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/03/ban_ki_moon_warns_against_syria_strike/

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 9:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


You almost have to listen to Ban.How do we know how many countries in the Middle East that do not really care for us have chemical weapons.I agree with kn_dalai,how much don't we really know.No one wants any of these weapons used in any kind of situation.But what we do, I don't think is going to change anything in that part of the world.Look at their history,they have been killing each other since time began.What ever we do will not change them.Religon is a powerful force over there.The sad part is no matter how we feel about this and how much we talk about it is not going to change anything that happens in Washington D.C.I wish it could,but if wishes were horses all would ride.I hope for cooler heads to make the right decisions.

timerick — September 3, 2013 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"No offense to nail, but I always thought he worked for a private company that did work for the military, which was unrelated to any field type operations. Don’t know what that is, but that could be a lot of things. Since you brought this up…."

knd- DOD by day (nothing exciting) and moonlighted in the seedy Asian film industry by night.

The last film I made was titled 'Banana Or Plantain?'
Starring Mi-Yo-Ho, Puddintrain, ShariKari & (yours truly) Hanginglongnleft. (stage name of course)

It was hard going out in public...with my Japanese admirers shouting..."We love you Langing-Wrong-n-Reft!!"

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 10:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal


langenthal — September 3, 2013 at 7:54 p.m.

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langenthal-pfaffmachine -manthou

I caught about 30-40 minutes of the meeting when they first opened it to public discussion. Quite a bit about dusty roads and parks. This park issue is interesting. Meilke dang near gaffawed at the thought they would sell park land. Sure sounds like somebody knows something.

As a side issue, and I don't mean to judge, but what is up with the guys wearing old dirty T-shirts and caps to a public meeting when speaking? Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but.....some of those guys looked in need of a shower and change of duds. Not saying it's right, but they might garner a bit more respect from the pious figures in ties and Jesus flag pins.

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 10:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"You almost have to listen to Ban."

timerick — September 3, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.

He'd better listen to Ban tim. These bogus calls for impeachment will have some teeth if he doesn't. Outside the mess this bombing would cause, and the consequences thereafter, it'd be negative optics in 2014 & beyond for Dems.

All politics are national:)

nailingit — September 3, 2013 at 11:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai @ 9:13 pm: Your comment about Barron denying the Felida park division (sell part to a developer) got me digging for old stories. A 2010 story by Scott Hewitt in the C outlines the discussion of possibly selling a portion to a developer named Bill Huyette. Interestingly, this concept was floated in the story by Steve Stuart. :)

A later story reported that the commissioners had abandoned the idea, as Mielke asserted. The Felida neighbors seem to believe otherwise and they have been nipping at the commissioners heels since at least 2010.

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[1]: http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/au...

manthou — September 4, 2013 at 4:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Tom Mielke to Sharon Nasset last night at the BOCC meeting:

We have no control over the bridge. Said Nasset, "I know, I know, but......"

He reminded her at least twice about that, seemingly acknowledging that it is Oregon's bridge to build. I am waiting for the video to be posted on CVTV archives to watch that interchange again to make sure I was not hallucinating.

He did mention light rail as possibly within WA control, but not the bridge.

Something is still afoot with the Master Class in both states, as Inslee is considering taking the CRC off the transportation package table so those other critical projects in WA can be approved (smart move). Curtis King et al are bringing their dog and pony show to Vancouver and other WA cities soon to hear our feedback on transportation funding (another smart move).

Should be a packed crowd.

manthou — September 4, 2013 at 4:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: You do have a national preference when it comes to politalk, but I am glad to see you checking out the local circus once in awhile. It is full of interesting drama and characters and the plot? Who knows where it will go?

It truly is getting to be a knock-down prize fight and people are distancing and asserting themselves against and from Madore and his tedious filibuster style, with the notable exceptions of Tom Mielke and Jeanne Stewart.

That is going to hurt Jeanne in the election. Alishia Topper and Ty Stober's votes together in the primary exceeded all of hers by nearly double. I assume most of the Stober votes will go to Alishia in November.

Maybe Jeanne's donning a jaunty pink cowgirl hat at the City Council picinic (so out of character for this button-down gal) is a physical attempt to break free and embrace her rogue.

manthou — September 4, 2013 at 5:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Arab League has decided Assad is guilty, but also insists on UN rather than foreign intervention.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/09/20139118235327617.html

And meanwhile Putin puts the pressure on - by sounding "reasonable." He also wants this left in the hands of the UN. (Yes, I know - Russia voted No in the Security Council. But he makes a good point for doing so I find hard to ignore - Assad's forces have the rebels surrounded and have been slowly crushing that movement. We've all seen the pleas for help from the rebels in the news over the past months. Why would Assad resort to this use of chem agents if he's winning? If anything, the argument that this is was desperate move on the part of the rebels gains credibility.) Anyhow, for now Russia has suspended shipment of a potent air defense system to Syria (with a veiled threat it could go elsewhere instead - Iran???).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/putin-syria_n_3863762.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D368121

roger — September 4, 2013 at 5:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

So, do you see any sort of shift in focus at City Council with Topper and Anne McE Ogle (I guess I'll need to learn her full name) seated? Meaning, will they possibly team up with Burkman and create a "new" bloc, or will they just jump in their with Leavitt, Smith and the other guy?

I think Jeanne will do better than the primary suggested; a lot of her supporters counted on Stober and Topper canceling each other out. Whether she wins reelection depends on her campaign - A good one that focuses on her history of opposing the excesses of City Council will play quite well outside the downtown area.

roger — September 4, 2013 at 5:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai,

Actually that number should have been higher. I was thinking of hawkeye, and in my irritation with HC's lecture on duty forgot others who have either served or had family members who have done so. My apologies to all.

roger — September 4, 2013 at 6:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nails,

I didn't realize we were in the presence of royalty. It's hard to go to a market anywhere in the Far East without encountering ladies of all ages selling DVDs - "See me and HLL!!!" And follow up stories from North Korea say Kim Jong-un had his girlfriend shot for saying "Why you not like HLL?"

roger — September 4, 2013 at 6:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger @5:49 AM: I think a City Council with Topper, Mc-Enerny-Ogle, and a re-elected Leavitt can do some real damage to Madore's pet issues. That is why he stayed up late last night to pen a FB blast of the C's story on his BRT pause fail and post links to all the candidates he supports. He sees the writing on the wall and he does not like to lose. What happens at the C-Tran Board meeting next Tuesday will be telling and may forecast a downtrend for him.

It will pretty much leave Bill Turlay out there on his own for many votes. Anne Ogle may side with Turlay on some issues as she was anti-light rail downtown when it was going to be built on Main Street to Kiggins Bowl.

It is an exciting and game-changing local election this year. Even bloggers like Kelly Hinton have taken to attacking the freeholder candidates one at a time with anything he can dredge up. It is a gladiator fight, for sure, and it is getting bloody.

manthou — September 4, 2013 at 6:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"nailingit: You do have a national preference when it comes to politalk"

manthou — September 4, 2013 at 5:12 a.m.

In part because I'm not as familiar with Washington State politics as you guys are. I'm getting to know the players though. 2010 was my first look. YIKES!

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 4, 2013 at 6:42 a.m.

It should be noted ShariKari has a twin sister named HairyShari, who performs mostly in Europe (and parts of Kentucky). I promised her sister I would give her.. a plug once in awhile. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppA...

I've wondered what kind of statement Hill would put out. (figuring she's for intervention) I wonder how many aides she'll go through for not quoting her correctly. :)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-backs-syria-strikes-president-obama/story?id=20145882

My God it's early for all this forum activity. Helps with the coffee.

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Madore has gone into his FB page again and edited his comment about last night's RTC Board Meeting, where he got whipped good.

He is loaded for bear.

I am going to go to the Board Meeting today, just because I can (I love retirement). Atty Chris Horne is scheduled to talk about "C-Tran Board Opinion." Could that be legal advice to be careful what you post on your personal FB page? That any personal attacks against others can get your Board into hot water?

The Columbian reporters have struck gold.

manthou — September 4, 2013 at 8:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nail @7:31 a.m.

Your twin sisters reminds me of this scene from Big Fish. An excellent movie with a touching ending. (It was North Korea not Vietnam.)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J68eGx...][1]

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J68eGx...

kn_dalai — September 4, 2013 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — September 4, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.

Too funny! I fall in love way too easily..

I did know a barmaid named Miho. A sweet kid with a great sense of humor.

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


With all the debates, here and elsewhere, of bombs and interventions, or whatever the hello it's being called, there is little, if any talk of funding. Please tell me we're are not going to be sold a bill of altuism and heart tugs AGAIN, just so we can send our young into harms way AGAIN, and not talk about the money, and unfunded wars AGAIN?! Heavens, that's just about all anybody talks about these days... how we can't afford this and that, how we can't afford big ideas and not even small ones, no empire builder visions of a better America...we can afford it, we are broke, the Chinese owns our souls, etc, ad nauseum. So when do we talk about the money for a new war? Cause that's sure what's it will amount to... another war, another ripping, another memorial. But they can't even manage to pass a budget, and they tell us they will be needing to gut social programs, etc. because of the money.

So, if reasoning about how wrong it is to do this again for the uppteenth time, let's all talk about the money, and how we just can't afford so much as a toothpick in America, no less than White Hats to ride to anybody's rescue, and we must keep out backroom friends happy therefore sanctions are not an option, so let's just talk about funding.

Hey, ranting feels pretty good...

jacjak — September 4, 2013 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hypothetical question, here...

Let's say...our government decides to go after Assad without support of the G20 nations or UN and bomb the living daylights out of his compound; killing innocents...and we later found out it was Al Qaeda cells infiltrating their country, causing the mass destruction of lives prior to our attacks rather than Assad.

What would happen next???

goldenoldie — September 4, 2013 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Why are we so damn stupid and inconsistent?

holycrapola — September 4, 2013 at 1:53 p.m

Lookin in the mirror when you say that?

No limits of anything, it's called "personal responsibility". Ever hear of it?

hawkeye — September 4, 2013 at 2:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


jacjak — September 4, 2013 at 9:46 a.m.

One of my fears is they'll seek further cuts in domestic spending to fund Obama's warpath. Sequestration is supposed to be hurting the Military most of all. If this act of American aggression comes to pass, we should not only place a value on related human carnage, but a dollar amount on each missile, downed drone and other costs related to this over the "90" day period.

Spot on about spending.

We can't stop poking our finger in the Middle East. I think most folks expected more from this President than to be courting the likes of McCain & Graham to start a war.

The Sandbox is getting bigger n deeper.

___

///Senate Committee Votes Yes On Syria Resolution To Bomb Assad///

WASHINGTON -- Overcoming reservations from the left, the right and the American public, a Senate committee Wednesday passed a resolution to bomb Syria in retaliation for President Bashar al-Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons.

In a delayed markup of a resolution to authorize the use of military force, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 10 to 7, with one present, to let President Barack Obama mount a bombing campaign aimed at the Syrian regime's weapons of mass destruction for up to 90 days, albeit within a more limited scope than Obama had requested. Specifically, the committee included language that would prohibit the use of U.S. troops on the ground "for the purpose of combat operations.

Read more @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/syria-resolution-vote_n_3867690.html

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrapola, you are out of sync with the news. According to the Washington Post link below, Obama's going to be quite busy at the G20 summit...hence my making the statement regarding that being a factor:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-g-8-summit-obama-to-seek-support-for-action-on-syria/2013/09/03/4bf2ed68-14a4-11e3-b182-1b3bb2eb474c_story.html

goldenoldie — September 4, 2013 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — September 4, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.

It's no offense to you when I say this holyc, but....

You portray yourself as one who is quite sadistic in nature. Other times...your statements appear almost as if you have a heart of gold.

goldenoldie — September 4, 2013 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.

Eventually, that sandbox will turn to quicksand. Hopefully not in our lifetime.

goldenoldie — September 4, 2013 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"Nail

War is a money making proposition, where have you been?"

holycrapola — September 4, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.

Here & there.

Instead of constantly poking your finger in somebody's eye telling them how wrong they are, try stepping back a bit, learn something once in awhile. I know others in this forum have provided me insight from time to time.

I'll give you the same main advice I gave my kids while growing up. Treat others how you want to be treated.

Anyway, who do you think is making all this money, and to what degree the money from a few contracts will trickle down in our economy. My point is we'll cut needed services, such as education and health care, while boosting defense spending, of which you and I will never see a penny from. Quite the opposite.

If you think our country is healthier spending Trillions conducting war a million miles away, I don't know what to tell you. Many of these companies (avoiding taxes and hiring cheap labor) conduct much of their business overseas anyway. War helps corporations procure contracts which make them (CEO's & shareholders) richer than rich, while paying their workers a minimum. Granted, some decent paying jobs in defense, but they're minimal and many times are gained politically.

Who's getting the bucks? How is it accounted for? You've bought the Neo-Conservative BS of nation building and warmongering. Didn't know you were a big corporate guy.

And what about our young (and sometimes old) men & women put in harms way? Only to return disfigured, maimed, crippled, then wait months/years to receive proper care and financial aid. They signed on to protect America, not to be some stat in a corporate shills back pocket.

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 3:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal


///Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion, Harvard study says///

The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.

Washington increased military benefits in late 2001 as the nation went to war, seeking to quickly bolster its talent pool and expand its ranks. Those decisions and the protracted nation-building efforts launched in both countries will generate expenses for years to come, Linda J. Bilmes, a public policy professor, wrote in the report that was released Thursday.

“As a consequence of these wartime spending choices, the United States will face constraints in funding investments in personnel and diplomacy, research and development and new military initiatives,” the report says. “The legacy of decisions taken during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will dominate future federal budgets for decades to come.”

Bilmes said the United States has spent almost $2 trillion already for the military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those costs, she said, are only a fraction of the ultimate price tag. The biggest ongoing expense will be providing medical care and disability benefits to veterans of the two conflicts.

“Historically, the bill for these costs has come due many decades later,” the report says, noting that the peak disbursement of disability payments for America’s warriors in the last century came decades after the conflicts ended. “Payments to Vietnam and first Gulf War veterans are still climbing.”

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq-price-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans

http://www.sigir.mil/learningfromiraq/index.html

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 3:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"I say, bring them to prehistoric levels, rearrange the cards, eliminate the threat. Does it have a cost, hell yeah. What do you want to do? Pay the ultimate price by being a sitting duck like 9/11? Hell no!"

Golden,

"Nothing sadistic about me."

Sigh.....

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 4:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Does Chobani make catnip?

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 5 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HC - Why weren't you at the recruiting station today?

roger — September 4, 2013 at 7:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


HC - Why weren't you at the recruiting station today?

roger — September 4, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.

He was too busy on "Ancestry.Com" See- holycrapola — September 4, 2013 at 4:37 p.m

hawkeye — September 4, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


An organization representing over 360,000 Veterans says over 80% are opposed to intervention in Syria.

"No one starts a war -- or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so -- without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it."

Missile strikes are an act of war. Yet they'll do nothing to stop Assad; if anything, they'll encourage him to strike even harder at his opponents.

And just who are we supporting? Many of the same people we fought against in Iraq.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/the-military-case-against_b_3865965.html

roger — September 4, 2013 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Here goes HC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZ...

roger — September 4, 2013 at 8:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


///Syria Strike Wouldn't Be Cheap///

WASHINGTON — A cruise missile strike against Syria could cost the Pentagon hundreds of millions of dollars in weapons, according to experts and government documents.

Since any type of US military action is expected to last just a few days, the price tag would be similar to costs accrued during the early days of the 2011, five-month NATO operation to overthrow Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, defense analysts say.

The first few weeks of the Libyan operation cost the US about $600 million. About $340 million of that was directly was to replenish munitions, specifically sea-launched Raytheon Tomahawk cruise missiles and air-launched Boeing Joint Direct Attack munitions, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (T-LAMs) cost about $1.4 million each, according to government budget documents.

But unlike the Libyan mission, there has been little talk of establishing a costly no fly zone over Syria.

The US and its allies appear to be planning for a limited strike against the Syrian government, which Western nations claim has used chemical weapons against civilians.

The US Navy has four destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, each with up to 96 missile cells — although experts say these ships are rarely loaded with a full complement of these types of weapons.

Missile-armed submarines are also likely to be in the area, although the US would not confirm their presence. Several submarines, including one SSGN missile sub armed with a capacity of 154 missiles, took part in the Libyan campaign. That submarine, the Florida, reportedly launched as many as 99 Tomahawks at targets in Libya in March 2011 alone.

At least one British submarine also launched missiles against Libyan targets.

Command-and-control and intelligence aircraft — such as E-3 AWACS Airborne Warning and Control System and E-8 JSTARS Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System — which would likely support any type of strike on Syria, could also add to the price tag. During the first 10 days of the Libya operation, the US spent about $1.6 million on these types of missions.

Support from aerial refueling tankers would also add to the cost. During the first weeks of the Libya operation, US Air Force tankers flew for more than 800 hours, costing $9.3 million.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130828/DEFREG02/308280030/Syria-Strike-Wouldn-t-Cheap

nailingit — September 4, 2013 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal



Even those who favor some sort of international response to the use of chemical weapons say the plan being followed will result in a worse situation than currently exists. If Assad was to be taken out, the resulting struggle for power among competing factions in the rebel forces will lead to round 2 of their civil war. Syria would most likely become a battleground between forces aligned with al Qaeda and those with Hezbollah.
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-attack-on-syria-may-have-consequences/1743491.html

roger — September 5, 2013 at 5:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal


An unopposed, short term operation could most likely be financed from an overseas contingency operations plan fund that currently has an excess due to the drawdown in Afghanistan. However, a longer operation, with an expanded use of the military, would result in Congress having to allocate additional funds. Meanwhile, Defense is already hurting from the reduction in funding due to sequestration, and would rather move those contingency operations funds to current operations.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/3/any-long-syrian-operation-likely-to-run-into-spend/?page=1

roger — September 5, 2013 at 5:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Holyc...Mielke, Stuart and Madore have just about as much clout as us in the forum. Their opinion is moot.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, in your honest opinion...is there truly any real answer at all to the situation plaguing Syria...plaguing that entire region??? If so, what would it be???

(And holyc....I don't need to see your response on this one for the umpteenth time. I already know what your response would be. There's hope for your imminent annihilation of the Persian Gulf region yet. Duck Dodgers of the 24-1/2 century might recruit you.)

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 6:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrapola...here's YOUR answer. Yes, it's a cartoon...but the message is there beyond cartoon animation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M9Q1Q...

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 7:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal


@timerick#WincoWeed/howbout it tim-hit the produce witha little Merlot?

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/sep/04/clark-county-approved-15-marijuana-stores/#comments

nailingit — September 5, 2013 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal


We are all puppets on a string being pulled by the master. Hating on people because of their ethnicity is ridiculous and since 9/11? Really??? Gosh this is what makes the world from the lack of movement. Nope U.S shouldn't be over in the middle east but we all know the Government won't listen to the people. Oh well life's a bitch, move on.

Holycrap....Hating on arabs...don't buy your gas at the gas stations because you will be supporting them. Oh now how will you get around?? You are very narrow minded and will not get far. You sound unemployed with a chip on your shoulder because of mistakes you have done that you blame everyone else for. But that's my opinion and I am female.

mxfun118 — September 5, 2013 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Add to your list Mx,

Like ANYTHING made from petroleum..

Clothing, plastic storage and food containers, records/tapes/cd's..
tires, carpeting/and other floor coverings..soles of shoes, just to name a few.

Oh gasp, an image..HC naked in front of his comp cause of his hate for Arab's and their oil. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


oh gag!

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal


You do know there is medication for those spasms you have.

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail I was thinking more along the lines of selling MJ and set aside a corner of the store to sell munchies.I have about 5000 sq ft.It might work?

timerick — September 5, 2013 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Snake? Naw..according to the Chinese zodiac I am a rabbit!

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: Looks like Governor Kitzhaber is calling a special session to try to strike a PERS deal on September 30: much too late, I think, to add the CRC to the discussion. Doesn't funding expire on the 30th?

nailingit and Cap'n Drift: I saw a picture yesterday on Stephanie Rice's Twitter account of a new shirt and nickname for da 'Couv: Vansterdam (with the V being the city's official V logo)! So much better than Vantucky. I think they are being sold at River Maiden coffee? I want one!

Mielke and Madore tabled the discussion of the 5 job vacancies at Clark County, yesterday, much to my chagrin. I don't know if I have the will to come back for a second time, but there were two of us in the room who were new to the Weds Board Time. Met and chatted with Erik Hidle briefly: nice young man. Wish I could Tweet as fast and and as inconspicuously as he does. Wish I could Tweet at all. :)

Atty Chris Horne did explain to Madore that, even though he differed slightly from C-Tran atty's interpretation of the "veto" clause in C-Tran policy, he emphasized that there were several reasonable interpretations that reasonable people could conclude and that it might take a judge to render a decision, ultimately. When Madore asked him to email Tom Wolfendale with Horne's opinion, Horne emphatically declined, stating he did not want to appear to be trying to muck around in C-Tran business.

Madore then went home and published a LTE a Madore supporter published in The Reflector on FB and used it to demonize Steve Stuart (absent that day), his latest villain du jour. Madore-as-victim is not fooling most of us. Really? When is he gonna get Collegiality 101? He is not running against Stuart, but has to work with him for another 3 years.

He is alienating nearly everyone who has to work with him on a Board except for Mielke. The Clark County employees have to put up and shut up or risk losing their jobs. He does not show any self-reflection ability because he is never wrong and woe to the person who ever dares to disagree with him or try to keep him in legal, ethical line.

I need to walk away from this train wreck as I am not able to make a dent in the risks Madore is subjecting us to. Better just find another "hobby." Time to take up painting.

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 9:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal


timerick @8:54 am. Very funny image! I think you are perfectly set up to design and sell some pretty glass pipes to accompany the product. :)

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 9:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/sep/04/clark-county-approved-15-marijuana-stores/#comments

I suppose some folks who appear to be ignorant in reality are simply afraid of something they've no experience with. I'm not necessarily speaking of "hands on" experience, but making any effort to research the subject they are ignorant on. Ignorance is bliss.

Above, I'm writing of some of the commentors to the article.

Does that transpose to the 'puritanical' behavior of both the Commission and Council? Could the ignorance that pervades their rulings be directly related to fear? Are ignorance and fear somewhat like the snake eating it's own tail. Until such time as these folks pull their arse out of their head we are doomed to spin in circles?

Case in point: "Boger said the city would likely enact a global zoning ordinance addressing both collective gardens and retail stores."

When are folks going to get it through their thick skull? A cannabis collective garden is a private activity, not a store front. The legislative branch has already addressed this. It's called RCW 69.51a.085. Authority over that section is now in the hands of law enforcement.

Sheesh.

Ignorance frustrates the bajesus out of me.

Drift — September 5, 2013 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal


And it's a bit embarrassing to carry on about ignorance and then see all of one's misspellings posted to a rough crowd ;^)

Drift — September 5, 2013 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holyc: Madore is trying to control the executive search process, as well. He has less success with that ploy outside BOCC. RTC Exec search, for instance. He tried to micromanage the language of the job description, probably with a crony applicant already in mind.

I care about what he does because my property tax checks will help fund his legal defense, when he needs it. And, believe me, he is gonna need it sooner than later, at the rate he is going.

I am waiting for someone from a protected class of job applicants (veteran, disabled veteran, disabled, GLBT, racial minority, etc) to apply for a Clark County job and be passed over in favor of one of those politician's cronies. Benton's Renton pal Chris Clifford was hired as Program Coordinator for the Clean Water division in July. He is a high school teacher. Nothing against Mr. Clifford. But,,,,,,were there other applicants for this job? Did any of those applicants belong to a protected class?

Is Mr. Clifford is acting as Benton's Brain, calling the shots as a silent advisor and not as the program coordinator he is supposed to be?

Someday, someone is going to scream and holler discrimination and the most powerful voice for that will be a qualified applicant who lost a job to one of these political cronies. If that qualified applicant just happens to be a veteran, racial minority, etc, the complaint will have even more weight.

Matter of time. I can wait.

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 10 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — September 5, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.

Holyc...do you have a problem reading this morning??? IF you go back and read mxfun118's comment, she mentioned she's a female. Of course she'll have no gonads. Duhr!!!

As far as her brain...she's probably got a higher IQ than you.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holyc @ 10:22 am: Alas, you may be right. You most likely are.

I just hope the Columbian keeps up the investigations and pressure where us proletariat seem to be hopelessly powerless.

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Definition of GONAD

:a reproductive gland (as an ovary or testis) that produces gametes

kn_dalai — September 5, 2013 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai...holyc's comment is construed in the gonadotropins characterized by the male persuasion. For a woman to have "gonads," would mean she is either a hermaphrodite or...in the case of a female, highly hormonal. Holyc knows what they meant. No need to take it out of context for him.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 11:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The HC: "Drift, get off the bong, go get an Iphone and start typing away...let's see how you do..

So far, not even with your pot bong and your knowledge of its regulation you are making a dent on the abuse that these "local self-assigned regulators" are forcing on the sick and recreational users by using delaying tactics and insufficient solutions to the implementation of an already passed Law."

And this is exactly why I don't normally read you stuff, man. I wouldn't have read the above, but I caught my name as I was passing by.

I haven't used a bong in years.
I'll pass on the phone, thank you.

There has been one lawsuit related to cannabis collective gardens brought against the City of Vancouver. One. It was withdrawn prior to going before the court for reasons I don't care to elucidate upon here.

One.
And it was a Pro Se suit.

There's an old "biker" adage you should be familiar with, HC. I mean, 'beins you live the lifestyle and all. Mayhap this will ring a bell, "You never really know who you're talking to."

You bore me, HC. Bore me half to death...

I'll go back to skipping your posts.

Drift — September 5, 2013 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Hold on there goldenoldie:)

A gonad produces gametes. In the male the gamete is the sperm which is produced by the testis. In the female, the gamete is the egg which is produced by the ovary. Testes and ovaries are both gonads.

kn_dalai — September 5, 2013 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift: The citizen lawsuit you mention is another sad example of voters needing to be well-heeled in order to keep their government honest and accountable.

No one should have to sue to force them to follow the law.

Politicians force that legal hand because they know there are not many citizens who can afford such follow-through on their own dime.

It vexes me greatly, too.

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 12:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal


a "woody"???

LOL don't flatter yourself HC..barfing is more like it!

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 12:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

I read the WW article about Kitz's special session last night and had the same thought you did - Their HB 2280 said WA's funding had to be in place by Sep 30. It also caps OR's cost at $450 mil. I suppose Kitz is still trying to twist arms, but per the Aug 28 WW article I've linked, there seems to be a bigger concern over the changes to the PERS plan he's trying to make. I gather that the tought is he may gain the one vote needed, but lose two or three others due to not liking the changes. Pete Courtney just isn't happy with all this last minute gamesmanship. And I'm still thinking there's only one way Ted Wheeler will sign off - if they can get I205 tolled. (Which is why I keep pushing the subject on facebook.)

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-21080-grand_bargain_baseme.html

roger — September 5, 2013 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Nail I was thinking more along the lines of selling MJ and set aside a corner of the store to sell munchies.I have about 5000 sq ft.It might work?
timerick — September 5, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.

More than enough space! Half would do! A few tables and chairs, comfortable booths, a laid back sixties lava lamped vibe, great ventilation, and serving the best coffee in the NW. A varied menu to include the best koffee cake around.

Maybe even set aside a night or two for open mic music.

A place that helps break down the divisive walls from Pot being unjustly illegal all these years, and at the same time captures the drugstore romanticism the Sixties and early seventies brought us. A strong discount for those who have served in the military, and the first hit on the house. I'd love to manage it!

Could I be the interviewer for counter girl positions?

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.

Digging the Vansterdam!

Drift- Been a long time and good to see you post.

___

As a separate issue, I'm glad I had to look up DILLIGAF to understand it's meaning. Sometimes ignorance IS bliss.

nailingit — September 5, 2013 at 1:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal


What's a matter HC, the electrolux's suction pulling too much brain matter out?

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 2:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Putin calls Kerry a liar on Syria

Speaking to his human rights council Wednesday, Putin said, "This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans), and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/09/05/obama-kerry-putin-syria-russia-g-20/2769683/

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 2:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Guys! When you have a chance jump over to the other side and check out Wayde Hager's comments on the pot stores thing!

...and they walk among us.

Heh!

Drift — September 5, 2013 at 3:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai — September 5, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.

I stand corrected. Thanks, for setting me straight, Dr. Kn_!!! Either way though, Holyc all but admitted the intent of using the term not in the literal sense.

..

holycrapola...glad to see you're taking it all in stride. Regarding the pyramid...I guess in your description, I'd be on the top. Money??? Yeah, we need it to get by in this society but all it is is a piece of cloth/paper or whatever it is. Rocks used to be considered money. Rocks like salt and even gold or silver which is still being used today. Either way...it's a material possession we've all grown accustomed to doing business with and that's the root of all that is wrong with society. How many people live their lives thinking that the more money, the merrier they are when in fact, there are those with money who are flat out miserable. When it comes to lottery...sooo many people dream "what if I hit the big one just once???" If anybody has heard of the lottery curse, they might think second thoughts about that.

Value of living isn't a dollar sign. It's the quality of values and the quality of time you take to make the world a better place. It's knowing you have to work hard to get what you want, but remembering that sometimes what you think you want might just be an excuse.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 3:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift — September 5, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.

Okay drift...I just read his comments and THEY blew ME away!!! Me...the straight-laced, teetotaler of the forum!!! This guy must be reading some major outdated literature on the effects of cannabis on the human system.

Correct me if I'm wrong, here...but I've heard the term "gateway drug" when referring to marijuana. Isn't it true that the only way cannabis would be a gateway drug for a person is if they were already predisposed to addiction of any kind in the first place?

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 3:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Looks like the thunderboomers are moving up the Willamette Valley. According to the lightning-strikes map on the weather channel website, it's a straight line extending from off the coast, over to Bend where they're expecting hail the size of quarters again.

Weird September weather!!!

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Goldie, I think the statistic for cannabis addiction is around 9%. That is, for people who use it around 9% will become (mentally) addicted. That statistic is right there with coffee. Though, coffee does have certain physical considerations.

The "gateway drug" thing has been put to bed long ago. If you'd like I can go find some (reputable) sources to cite.
Correlation is not causation and all'a that rot. It has been pointed out, however, that the nature of the black-market exposes cannabis users to an easy availability of other (illegal) drugs. But then, I suppose that's an argument on the pro-side of legalization.

And as you wrote, there's that whole predisposition thing.

What I find hilarious (for some odd reason) is a commenter stating the bar and taverns was posted on Facebook as a favorite place for Mr. Hager. That, after he called alcohol poison. Then, THEN! Mr. Hager wrote he needs to go fix that statement on his FB page.

Funny stuff, Goldie.
Almost like The Onion or something.
Heh.

Drift — September 5, 2013 at 3:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Drift...no need to provide sources. I trust your statement. I'm wondering if that Mr. Hager is for real or if he's posting the most ignorant comments just to get people to talk.

goldenoldie — September 5, 2013 at 3:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Pardon me, all. Off-topic interruption:

Does anyone think that Jaime H-B may decide not to seek re-election?

Her priorities may change.

For the record, the only thing I wish for is her little daughter health and healing. I am just wondering if anyone else thinks she may not want to be spending her time fighting the good fight for others.

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 5:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou, I know as a mom and grandmother I couldn't do it, be away from a seriously ill child. But, that's me.

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 6:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Russian warships cross Bosphorus, en route to Syria

Three Russian warships crossed Turkey's Bosphorus Strait Thursday en route to the eastern Mediterranean, near the Syrian coast, amid concern in the region over potential US-led strikes in response to the Damascus regime's alleged use of chemical weapons.

The SSV-201 intelligence ship Priazovye, accompanied by the two landing ships Minsk and Novocherkassk passed through the Bosphorus known as the Istanbul strait that separates Asia from Europe, an AFP photographer reported.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-en-route-syria-141156573.html

ELISI — September 5, 2013 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou - Interesting question. Per the article, she's staying engaged and planning on getting back to the job in time.

roger — September 5, 2013 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal


RE: The JHB article on the Syria vote. This is the second time Ann Degenshein has written the same basic comment - So sorry about your bad luck, but you plan on riding the government health care and employee routine, while the common folk have to suck it up. That's a bit cold blooded.

roger — September 5, 2013 at 6:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now I ask you. What other political forum in the entire world, discusses gonads and woodys? IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!

Only the basement. We are capable of unleashing more BS, than has ever been released in the history of BS. For one purpose only: to keep our country (fill in the blank).

We expect and demand nothing but the best from each of us misfits. Anything less: we should have joined Facebook.

This might be our C’s webpage, but this is our BS. No one’s had that strange sensation of being booted from here in quite awhile. The C probably got tired of us, and left us alone.

So what do we say? GO BASEMENT, ROLL WHINE!

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRxdr...][1]

BTW HC. You really are messed up. It should be obvioius that the humans here in the basement, who have female gonads, have always been hot for nailingit. He knows how to talk dirty, and they like their bad boys. You’re just not playin in the same ball game bud. Nothing personal.

[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRxdr...

kn_dalai — September 5, 2013 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal


All those ultra conservative types who've been screaming for so many years to bail on the U.N. now have a head scratching moment. That there nonAmerican Muslim illegal President agrees with them - screw the U.N. when they don't see things our way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/us-un-syria_n_3875808.html

Gonna have to get with the boys and figure this out over a few beers. (Damn! - Obummer likes to drink beer too!. We got a crisis on our hands. What in hell's he got to act like us for?)

roger — September 5, 2013 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai,

That inspiring video deserves another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1U5fK...

roger — September 5, 2013 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal


As for Nails, he does have a way of drawing attention, doesn't he? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DybRe...

roger — September 5, 2013 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 5, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.

Especially since congress has to get their healthcare just like everyone else.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/08/14/20021898-congress-isnt-exempt-from-obamacare?lite

hawkeye — September 5, 2013 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Hawkeye - I forgot about that. She'll be paying a whole lot more on the exchange that when under the federal employee system.

roger — September 5, 2013 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 5, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.

I guess that's what some think the eastern Mediterranean should look like soon.

roger — September 5, 2013 at 7:37 p.m.

Don’t know where you came up with that one roger. I never heard of it before. (Neither has anyone else, except you and a couple of Philipinos:) But it looks like it's worth finding out about.

From Wikipedia:

"Rico Suave (Vhong Navarro) is the ultimate ladies' man. In the bayside market where he works, he is constantly grilled by his four quirky friends (collectively known as the F-Poor) for "Suave" tips. Soon they find out that Rico has a problem: when he gets intimate with a girl, his entire body freezes. Rico is miserable. In an effort to help their friend, the F-Poor enlist the services of Venus Marte (Angelica Jones), a sexy con artist. Convinced that Rico is a potential goldmine to exploit, Venus agrees to take on the job. Sparks fly as Venus tries to snare Rico. But, when she finds herself genuinely falling for him, she is caught in a dilemma. Will there be a way out of this rut for Venus? Can Rico regain his old charm as Mr. Suave?"

Notice the word "collectively". :):):):)

Last week we found out that nail is really a cold hearted misanthrope. Now we find out the guy is impotent!

Life is so cruel! Cold hearted orb that rules the night.

kn_dalai — September 5, 2013 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Well...you know what they say. Some got it and some ain't. Some go on about primal instinct, animal attraction, call it what you will. At times it's like a millstone around my neck.....

nailingit — September 5, 2013 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Elisi @ 6:21 PM: I was thinking the same thing myself, from my own eyes and heart as a mother.

I look at that little baby and I know J H-B must be having a heart-wrenching personal conversation with herself. She probably cannot pull herself away easily. She will need to fulfill her commitment to her constituents, but you know her heart and mind must be elsewhere.

No blame from me at all. I do not envy the difficult choices that lie ahead and I wish her and her family only the best.

manthou — September 5, 2013 at 9:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Just read all the comments for the whole week at once. Still in Germany and very early here.
What a bunch of diverse characters in here. Amazing!
I give holy another week before he explodes. On his Vespa, riding into the sunset, ranting about the ignorance of every single person beside himself.

I am totally against any involvement in Syria, like that matters. Seems the rest of my country folks here agree. They have one question though. Why does Obama try to channel the ghost of Bush? Been there, done that with assertions about weapons.
Crazy, just crazy.

luvithere — September 5, 2013 at 10:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


kn_dalai (Sep 5 @ 8:21),

In a previous life a few clues led to research into unknown territory. Nails dropped the hints, and I followed the trail from there.

roger — September 6, 2013 at 6:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Luvithere,

Perhaps the answer lies in that the Germans learned a very hard lesson of their own last century - They've learned to view impassioned proclamations from their leaders with the proper degree of skepticism. From the public response we've seen here the past few days, it appears we're about there ourselves.

roger — September 6, 2013 at 6:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 6, 2013 at 6:27 a.m.

Please explain...I referenced a trip to Angeles City in the past. But given context...

(turn your back for a second and what do they do)

nailingit — September 6, 2013 at 7:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Roger, one thing people here make very clear. Nobody believes anything a politician says. They have their elections this month (Angela will make it again) and the promises from each side are so ridiculous, people just laugh. Worse than in US, hard to believe but true.

luvithere — September 6, 2013 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"On his Vespa, riding into the sunset"

luvithere,

I'm wondering if that vespa is the one I see zipping around 136th/18th and Mill Plain at times. Pretty shiny silver one with saddle bags and windshield. vrooooom vrooooom

ELISI — September 6, 2013 at 7:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere: Reading the entire week's comments in one sitting? Hope you had a cold frothy adult beverage to get you through....we are an opinionated bunch.

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 7:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The restriction of health care services based on religious doctrine:

It has been on my radar lately for a couple of reasons. My new insurance plan (ODS) only pays for hospital services at PeaceHealth here in Clark County, a Catholic-based organization.

PeaceHealth is losing its Kaiser contract as of 10/1/2013, partially due to my first sentence in this post.

It was the lesser of the evils for me. The ACA options in Clark County are just as expensive as my PERS retiree plan options, but offer more physician choices. It offers better nationwide coverage and, for someone who likes to travel, it is a no brainer.

But the only hospital option? Peacehealth. Even the employees (those who still have their jobs) are balking at all the religious limits on patient choice and how they provide medical services.

From the ACLU-Washington website:

"The ACLU of Washington is working to ensure that no patient is refused access to lawful health care because of the religious doctrines of the institutions running hospitals, clinics, or other medical facilities. Health care facilities open to the general public should not refuse to provide reproductive health care and end-of-life care services; nor should they discriminate against LGBT patients and families. Religious ideology should not dictate which health care services a patient may choose."

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 8:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 6, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.

Yet many religious conservatives complain the personal mandate (although a Republican idea) is oppressive. Where would we be without the ACLU? Religion should have zero say in healthcare.

nailingit — September 6, 2013 at 8:11 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Local attorney Tanya Rulli (she used to be a Deputy Prosecutor in Clark County) filed a formal ethics complaint against David Madore based on some of his FB comments.

Tom Wolfendale, the C-Tran attorney he skewered on said FB page so vehemently only last week, issued this opinion:

“The alleged Director Madore Facebook page statements offer the board member’s view of how the agency mission statement is to be applied to bus operations and the board member’s view of whether the agency acted lawfully with regard to a contract authorization. Whether others agree with Director Madore on either or both issues, the member’s quoted statements are fair comment on the current state of the Board, the goals of the Board, and the actions of the Board.

As a general legal principle, an elected public official has a right to express his/her views publicly, including a right to criticize actions or views of the Board and/or individual members. Controlling legal authority in the State of Washington emphasizes that disagreement is crucial to the political process and is an expected part of electoral politics. A board member has the right to espouse his/her views, even through discordant speech. These statements of legal principles are not intended to characterize Director Madore’s statements, but merely to set forth the general parameters of such principles.”

Yep. Hooray for the First Amendment. I think even Mr. Wolfendale would opine the same thing about the scurrilous allegations Mr. Madore published about him.

When people publish what is in their hearts and minds, unedited, uncensored, we get to know them even better.

My question to Madore is: How do you feel about Tom Wolfendale now?

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Some knuckle draggers on the right have introduced (and passed) legislation banning Sharia Law in a few places. It's past time to counter with a movement banning Christian Law.

nailingit — September 6, 2013 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Kn_dalai, roger and nails...your colorful discussion rendered me speechless! I'm laughing my socks off this morning!

That's a rarity....8)))

..

manthou and ELISI:

I believe politicians have a completely different mentality when it comes to families and what would be the right thing to do. JHB is stout in her political views and with the type of family AND community support she has in regards to that angel baby she has, I think she will continue to do the job she was elected to do. Whether or not she runs for re-election, I believe that decision will come when it's time...and her angel baby's condition and care will always be first on her agenda.

goldenoldie — September 6, 2013 at 8:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit @ 8:17 am: I would certainly support legislation that banned legislation based on ANY religious doctrine. We certainly have had laws passed that deny best-practices science.

goldie: I suspect you are correct about Jaime H-B's ability to separate her family from her public duties and to be able to soldier on. I do not have that capacity. When my children were little, I stopped working for awhile because I was struck by the fact that I felt that I was taking better care of other families' children at work better than my own, waiting for me to pick them up from daycare.

Ethnic guilt handed down from a stern Yia Yia, you know, who believed all children in the family were princes and princesses. :)

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


goldenoldie — September 6, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.

I get roped into these things. A victim of circumstance without a doubt.

nailingit — September 6, 2013 at 8:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 6, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.

Must be envy.

goldenoldie — September 6, 2013 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou, I got up way too early this morning and had time. Reading it all in one session is actually very amusing.
PS: need diet after this vacation. The food... Bread...

luvithere — September 6, 2013 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 6, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.

I'm right with you about raising our children. Separation from our babies is definitely difficult when they're so small and vulnerable to the world. Family first is my motto.

I hear ya about Yia Yia's and their expectations of the younger mothers. In my case...it was my mother in law, bless her heart. My mom as well as my mother in law were excellent role models to learn from! I do agree that all little children in the family are princes and princesses. Sometimes the prince(ss) of holy terror, especially about the age of two...8)

They're babes only for a short time. We have one chance with each child to get it right the first time!

goldenoldie — September 6, 2013 at 9:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


luvithere...don't you know the rule of visiting your homeland??? When you arrive, all calories and fat content are nonexistent in everything you eat! It must be something in the air here in the US of A!!!

keep smilin'

goldenoldie — September 6, 2013 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou -- Thanks for going to board time. I've only been once but certainly regretted not taking a flask. I'll go to more because it's the cheapest theatre of the absurd in town. Well, not cheap long-term when considering some of the policies some commissioners are fond of. Glad you met Eric Hidle, who's pretty savvy, methinks.

For those of you who like a not-so-great time, this week's work session recording might fit your needs. Stuart wasn't present, but Mielke took time to display some ignorance, as did Madore (who threw in some hypocrisy as well -- try to be shocked). Link here: http://www.clark.wa.gov/bocc/calendar/AffCare.MP3

Has anyone here used the FOIA process to gather info? I'm hoping someone at The Columbian and/or Crosscut is looking into the Benton/Clifford connection, amongst other intrigues, but am tempted to do so myself if no one else is.

pfaffmachine — September 6, 2013 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal


pfaffmachine @ 10:03 am: I have used, with great success, TARGETED public records requests. I don't ask for the kitchen sink, but honed in on specifics (persons, dates, types of public documents). The treasure trove of information helped seal the fate of a public employee's forced reassignment by his embarrassed, high-profile boss (not Clark County) and provided evidence of reporter/government collusion (we all know the Press is supposed to bird dog government, right?) to promote misinformation and a biased agenda that was not fair or accurate.

I know that the C reporters (who would never collude with Clark County, I am sure)are aware of the recent hire by Benton of a political friend in Clean Water and use the FOIA with skill. Give them time. They are not done with our local politicians and I think we will see something in the future.

What really got me at Wednesday's Board time, was the fact that Mielke and Madore, without much discussion, decided to table the job vacancies agenda item. We'll see what is discussed next week, or if it gets dropped and moved to Executive Session. The weasels.

I don't like to overwork public employees in frivolous public records requests to fish, but go for it, if you are curious. Identify the players and time frame and what documents you think would be helpful. They are getting smarter about emails, unfortunately. That was what sunk the persons I was concerned about.

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal


pfaffmachine: BTW, I would never have had access to a reporter's emails, except for the fact that this reporter was stupid enough to correspond with government officials via email, where the planned collusion was amazingly, beautifully exposed, step-by-glorious-step.

The government official's email correspondence is subject to FOIA, of course.

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Erik Hidle exposing Madore's hypocrisy on APIL today:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://blogs.columbian.com/all-politics-is-local/politics/cant-nice-things/

Yes. Free speech reigns! Should he be more collegial and honest with his critiques of Stuart, Barron, Hamm, Burkman, Lookingbill, Wolfendale and anyone else who dares to challenge him?

Yes. I think so. That's what I would do, but I am not a politician and he is becoming a Master in a few short months.

Brilliant manipulator of truth.

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Holycrapola, with the picture you paint of Clark County's government...it makes me want to pack up and leave the county. Would you please tell me where in the USA which is a pleasant place to live and you have the choice to be self sustainable...someplace where there is no corruption? That is the kind of utopia I seek. Then I know I will have reached the top of that pyramid you mentioned in a past comment.

goldenoldie — September 6, 2013 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Temple Lentz, once again, hits a homer:

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.dailycouve.blogspot.com

manthou — September 6, 2013 at 2:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Another well-articulated FB comment from Ron Goodman with regards to Commissioner Madore's burning bridges with his colleagues. This is why, I believe, even Jeanne Stewart did not join his lonely coalition of two at the RTC voting on Tuesday. She may be needing to distance herself from his obstructionism if she has any hope to be re-elected:

Ron Goodman writes:

"In my letter to the editor - http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/se... - I said Commissioner Madore not only has shown him himself unsuited to co-operation, compromise, and collaboration, but is constitutionally unable to restrain himself from attacking his fellow officials on whom he must rely to get things done.

He is similar to the scorpion who hitched a ride on a frog's back to cross the river, but stings the frog and drowns himself half way across, because he can't fight his own nature.

May 4, Madore berates departing County Administrator Bill Barron on Facebook.

August 24, he took to Facebook to call C-Tran's attorney Tom Wolfendale 'underhanded,' 'double-dealing,' and without 'integrity.'

As noted in this blog post, Wednesday on his Facebook page, he extols a letter to the editor that harshly criticizes fellow Commissioner Steve Stuart.

Madore is bereft of the maturity and judgment we expect in a County Commissioner.

He might have an idea about biblical grace, but is utterly tactless and graceless in human relations."
_______________________
Yes, the First Amendment protects Madore's right to publish his opinion. But restraint may get him farther in building support for his causes. He is alienating voters and fellow Board members so quickly.

Good job, Ron Goodman. The scorpion analogy? Spot on!

manthou — September 7, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal


ProPublica (well-respected source) writes why they joined the NYT and the Guardian in publishing the Snowden leaks about NSA encryption of innocent citizen internet activity. It now includes an update with an NSA response.

[link text][1]

[1]: http://www.propublica.org/article/why-we-published-the-decryption-story?utm_campaign=bt_twitter&utm;_source=twitter&utm;_medium=social

manthou — September 7, 2013 at 7:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal


holycrapola — September 6, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.

Holymoly...it scares me to think we have similar thoughts about the best places to live. Regarding Joseph, Oregon...that is one of my favorite hangouts...but it's becoming too much like a resort town for my liking. I'd probably hang towards Wallowa.

White Salmon...since we've been there a zillion times, I'm quite familiar with White Salmon and Bingen. On the hills above White Salmon rests many wineries and vineyards...not quite what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the ideas, holyc. My question to you is...are you sure about the political hashing going on in these two places??? Just reading the Wallowa County Chieftain gives me a bit of an idea of what is going on in and around Joseph. Still...it's one of the most beautiful regions in Oregon (prejudice on my part, lol).

goldenoldie — September 7, 2013 at 8:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal


49th LD Town Hall just finished. Very civil, even questions from Carolyn Crain.

My big takeaway? The 49th LD reps are united in that they will NOT support a transportation funding package that ignores our region. So far, it does, with the loss of the CRC. Moeller, Cleveland, and Wylie will insist that the $450 million lost to the CRC fight be spent here.

The other takeaway: Jim Moeller says that the Democratic-controlled house will never support the "right to work" proposal currently raising its controversial head.

My impression: this is a very cohesive legislative group who work together well.

manthou — September 7, 2013 at 11:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Somedody's got some 'splaainin' ta dooo!

///‘Mission Congo’ Alleges Pat Robertson Exploited Post-Genocide Rwandans For Diamonds///

In the wake of the 1994 Rwandan genocide, which resulted in the deaths of an estimated 800,000 people, one million Rwandans fled to Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo). Many of the refugees were stashed in camps with little to no shelter, running water, or medical supplies. One of these refugee camps was in Goma.

..

The film also presents a video from 1994 that it says plainly shows Robertson palling around in Africa with Colonel Théoneste Bagosora, who then ushers him onto a helicopter. Bagasora was an instrumental figure in the 1994 Rwandan genocide, and was later sentenced to life imprisonment by the International Tribunal Court for Rwanda (ITCR).

Two men who worked as Mining Consultants for the ADC in 1994, Craig Macfarland and Sid Slackman, go on record in the film claiming that Robertson did indeed hire them to help operate a diamond and mineral mining operation in Kamonia. And, since most foreigners needed a well-connected local to help set up a business in Africa, Robertson allegedly employed Pastor Kosongo, who served as a local governor and ADC partner in 1994.

..

Robertson also started a farming operation in then-Zaire that he called “Dumi Farm.” He claimed that the farm was thriving, bringing food to the locals, but Hinkle claims that the farm mostly served as a front to bypass taxes on the mining operation.

“We were supposed to pay a huge import tax on dredging—mining, equipment—but they told the inspectors that it was for the Operation Blessing farm, and it was to clear the water out of the land so they could farm it,” says Hinkle.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/07/doc-mission-congo-alleges-pat-robertson-exploited-post-genocide-rwandans-for-diamonds.html

nailingit — September 7, 2013 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Interesting take from some ill meaning FB folk.

And with the Benton fiasco, some cite Obama or the Columbian as the problem. Just amazing comments from, I guess, Benton supporters? (at least by proxy)

I thought this comment at the tail end of a wild-eyed non-sensical rant from the Petermeister was particularly scary.

"I give your pitiful paper 2 years. Maybe David Madore will do us all a favor and buy it. Then we'll finally get truth in journalism. How refreshing."

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/se...

nailingit — September 7, 2013 at 3:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit — September 7, 2013 at 3:04 p.m.

Now I read ALL of those little posts by all those various persons and NOT ONE of them supported Benton. They didn't defend him, they didn't say he did good things, they didn't post one word of support. All they did was rag on Lou and the "C" and the POTUS and how he got involved, I'll never know except that anywhere you find Mr. Stevens, you'll find him ragging on Obama.

hawkeye — September 7, 2013 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Former CC Commissioner Betty Sue Morris has become the voice of authority and reason on David Madore's FB page.

She is doing a commendable job of counterbalance and it is taking the wind out of the accusations and innuendo, half-truths, and lies of omission.

Wonder when she will be banned?

Free speech is only Free speech when Madore agrees with it. Attorneys and elected official colleagues on Boards are only to be respected when they give you information you like and vote the way you dictate.

Way to go, Betty Sue. I like you.

manthou — September 8, 2013 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal


Man, you can almost hear an echo in here.

Watching Obama's #1 boy Denis McDonough make a case for war. Just ridiculous reasoning, and refuses to answer what will Obama do if Congress says no.

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal


If Obama goes to war-without Congressional approval-this Democrat says Impeachment should be put on the table.

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal


nailingit: Perhaps it is my perseveration on local political issues. Might explain the low voter turnout in August.

No one cares or everyone is sick of it.

The politicians count on wearing us down, so I persist. :)

Our President and Syria: Apparently, there was a video of some Syrian rebels executing Syrian soldiers. It made the journalists who were editing it for public consumption physically sick.

There is brutality and murder on both sides and I agree with you: the US needs to keep its soldiers home because this is just one more unwinnable war.

manthou — September 8, 2013 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal


From McDonough's interview with Candy Crowley --

"McDonough acknowledged to CNN’s Candy Crowley on "State of the Union" that U.S. officials are not 100 percent certain that Assad was behind the chemical weapons attacks, given the inconsistencies inherent in intelligence.

“Now do we have irrefutable, beyond reasonable doubt evidence? This is not a court of law, and intelligence does not work that way,” McDonough said. He added that common sense says Assad "is responsible for this. He should be held accountable."

Anyone want to buy some Iraqi WMDs?

roger — September 8, 2013 at 10:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou- I appreciate your take on local issues. Please don't wear down! Some of those who post here, also post to other cites. (which might explain surges) roger has stated a butt-ton he's involved with, and his latest confession to posting @ Maddow's Blog, I'm thinking he leaves no stone unturned!

This forum remains my only gateway to rant.

Unless it's something else, the video you referenced turned out to be filmed from a different time in 2012. This whole thing wreaks.

___

roger- I was called away and penned this before you came.

Are we still..."your #1?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpxuj...

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 11:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal


"I must warn you young lady -- I am susceptible to flattery."

"Flattery is all right so long as you don't inhale." -- Adlai E. Stevenson

roger — September 8, 2013 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal


The Universe (Creator, fill-in-the-blank, whatever you prefer) works in wondrous ways.

So, I am on a walk in Uptown this morning with my other half and our pooch. I decide it is too hot for me to take our usual lengthy loop and I break away from my family to head back home.

Who do I run into on the street?

Betty Sue Morris.

I had intended to write her to thank her for speaking up and clarifying some of the misconceptions promulgated by David Madore's free speech tirades.

She was surprised that anyone noticed, but grateful for the positive feedback.

We both agree that we are astounded that Madore keeps dissing his fellow board members and consulting counsel with such nasty assertions. Just because you can (free speech rocks), doesn't mean you should. We also agree that he will find it very difficult to forge coalitions because, when he needs a colleague to come on board, they are going to have good memories and leave him high and dry. Except for Mielke. He has no memory.

manthou — September 8, 2013 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger — September 8, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.

"Epoxy can be cured" - Mad Magazine.

hawkeye — September 8, 2013 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Manthou,

I'm not sure if rarefied company is correct, but you certainly manage to meet some interesting people. I read your comments earlier, about her posting to Madore's website and whether he would boot her comments. They're still there. I'm not following his logic for wanting to give up County's veto power on the C-Tran Board, and definitely agree with Kelly Hinton and Betty Sue Morris that this would be an unwise move. I'm all for anything that would give a counter to Vancouver City Council when needed, and this seems to be the implied justification she applies too.

roger — September 8, 2013 at 1:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal


"The gods offer no rewards for intellect. There was never one yet that showed any interest in it..."
- Mark Twain's Notebook

roger — September 8, 2013 at 1:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou-This is what I was referring to @ 11:16

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/pageoneplus/corrections-september-6-2013.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1&

roger — September 8, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.

Remember Michael Parks in the old "Then Came Bronson" days? (perhaps the genesis of the 'Cat')

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


“I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.”
_Groucho Marx

hawkeye — September 8, 2013 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Remember Michael Parks in the old "Then Came Bronson" days? (perhaps the genesis of the 'Cat')

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.

I disagree. "Bronson" was cool.

hawkeye — September 8, 2013 at 2:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


roger: I agree with you, too: Why give up that veto power? Two giants like Vancouver and Clark County better both have it or neither have it.

BTW, Madore has back-pedaled from his scurrilous comments on Steve Stuart on FB, probably due to Erik Hidle's calling attention to it on APIL. He now says Stuart is "learning" to do a better job. Rich stuff. Is it arrogance or Asperger's (no longer in the DSM, I know). I am asking a legitimate question here. Not making fun. Could David Madore be on the autism spectrum? Is that why he misses so many important social cues (like don't shame your colleagues in public on a daily basis)?

nailingit: Oh, my. A correction from the NYT! What a horrible error. I fell for it. Who dropped the ball on that research?

manthou — September 8, 2013 at 3:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal


manthou — September 8, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.

Notice how the Times didn't bother to apologize, just stated they made an error. Journalistically unconscionable, especially when ramping up for war.

David does come off as a bit Asspy. :)

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal


hawkeye — September 8, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.

You're right, poor analogy.

Bronson didn't say much and liked women.

nailingit — September 8, 2013 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal


Now McCain is saying Obama could face impeachment over Syria. The little chubby cheek bugger just loves to hear himself talk, doesn't he?

http://www.mycenturylink.com/tv/3/player/vendor/CNN/player/cnn/asset/cnn-on_syria_obama_could_face_impeachment-cnn/

hawkeye — September 8, 2013 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal


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