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A repost from manthou before this page went up.

Anyone staying home from work again today? (As of now, I am.)

Here's a good civics project. Check out the bills sponsored by our local legislators. It is easy to comment on them.

For starters, here is Benton's list:

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 5:23 a.m.

(And I see CAPTCHA is especially ridiculous this a.m.)

roger — February 10, 2014 at 6:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Word of the day: blatherskite.

Bar complaint against CC Prosecutor Tony Golik. It's hard to tell where this will go, so I look forward to more coverage.

I did mention, a couple of weeks ago, that we need to be looking at this office a little more. He lost 4 deputy prosecutors who were advising the BOCC, for starters. This Alan Harvey investigation shows a different sort of fracture among the ranks.

I am withholding judgment, but I do know prosecutors use all sorts of ploys to get a defense attorney disqualified. Prosecutors also are evaluated by how many convictions they win, which puts pressure on them to take extraordinary measures to succeed. Why did Alan Harvey accuse the defense attorney of perjury?

Does this sometimes make them over-zealous and unethical? Are innocent defendants incarcerated unjustly for years as a result? Are prosecutors immune from prosecution for acts they commit during the course of a trial? Is the pope Catholic?

More light on Golik's office, please. He has a mess on his hands on many different levels. What is he doing about the loss of civil attorneys?

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 6:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Your link, manthou, appears to be a sign in page for AOL.

Drift — February 10, 2014 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Link won't load because it is the wrong one:

From Dictionary dot com:

blatherskite \BLATH-er-skahyt\, noun:

1. a person given to voluble, empty talk.
2. nonsense; blather.

Yeah. I'll admit to blatherskite before someone beats me to it. :)

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 6:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Very timely article in the NYT about the importance of local newspapers (think Columbian) in illuminating the "dark corners" of government shenanigans (think Clark County):

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 7:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ed Ruttledge, one of my favorite, smart FB commenters, the man who won nearly $5000 in his public records settlement with CC, posted this gem in response to the article about the bar complaint:

Is there no end to the wholesale "stupid stuff" going on at the County? We got:

• cronyism
• wrongful prosecution
• litigation for discriminatory hiring
• failure to disclose records in a timely manner
• a department director with no experience, training, or credible qualifications for the job
• lawyers on paid administrative leave
• County lawyers snarking at other County lawyers
• reduction of funding for parks
• fee holidays for rich developers
• ... and the list goes on ...

All with a hilarious counterpoint of a Commissioner preaching to us about "integrity." Said commissioner needs look at his own shop on the "integrity" issue. Just saying.

Good list, Ed. I am sure we will have more items to add to it soon.

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Raining here and it's freezing.

It must be that freezing rain thing.

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 8:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My daughter lives next door. She's been using my Dodge PU (4x4) to go to work for the last week (I put it in four-high). There was a knock on the door a few minutes ago. She wanted my opinion on street conditions.

I started to tell her it should be just fine. The predicted freezing rain hadn't materialized so... And it started to rain.

I suggested she stay home for a couple of hours and then reevaluate. I don't have comprehensive insurance on the truck ;^)

Drift — February 10, 2014 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal

My daughter's driving back from Newberg this morning with 2 wheel drive. Will be relieved when she makes it home.

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Where's the beef? I wanna see that scathing e-mail. Lew's spreading gossip gone bad. I'm sure Benton & Rivers appreciate incompetency on this scale. Can Lew ever be trusted with information again?

Live by the sword-die by the sword I guess. When you write a gossip column, I guess it's not surprising one would get tangled up in it sooner or later.

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal

February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM
"Since I’m still getting hits from the Lazy C dungeon, I had to pop over again and busted out laughing.
Old Nailingit is beside themselves, chomping at the bit to see the email
Funny thing is, for all of them aching to see it, not one has made any attempt to contact me and ask for it, not that I would give it to them"

It sounds like you've let one too many see it already Lew.

So much drama!

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm... "beside themselves"!


nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 6:52 a.m.,

This pissing contest over the Dillon case also appears to tie to Judge Wulle. As you ask, what are the specifics of the perjury charges being thrown around?

Anyhow, I went and checked Dillon and found the following appeal analysis. The conviction for second degree child rape was upheld, despite Dillon's claims (as summarized):

We accept Dillon's concession and now address his remaining issues that: (1) the trial court erred when it failed to directly answer a jury question during deliberations; (2) he was denied his right to present exculpatory evidence on the reasonableness of his belief concerning the victim's age; and (3) there was insufficient evidence for the finding of a "sexual predator" sentencing enhancement. Finding no error, we affirm.

I also discovered an article Paris wrote on this a few days ago, which clarifies that Dillon apparently plead guilty to perjury, and that his defense (Sowder) may have been complicit in promoting whatever the perjury was. Golik later revisits this complicity, and Judge Wulle throws it out.

So, there's a piece to all of this we're not getting. But the only thing that makes sense and would (seemingly) lead to all this is that perhaps Dillon did find out the kid was only 13, and Sowder may have advised him to stick with believing the chat room claim of being 19.

Maybe we'll find out.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.

Wrong. Ed Ruttledge is ignoring the long standing issues we apparently have with our County's judicial system, and is trying to tie this problem to David Madore. Ed's argument back seems to be that anything that happens wrong ultimately falls back on the Commissioners. (The buck stops here argument.) This mess predates Madore.

As I've said a few times before, Madore and Mielke are in office for one reason - because they mounted an opposition to the CRC. Assuming that project is finally resolved before 2016, I suspect they'll both lose their reelection attempts.

While Benton's hiring was the focal point the anti-M&Mers; decided to zero in on, this ultimately goes back to the CRC. Ruttledge and friends are driven by that defeat of the Vancouver City revitalization agenda. Madore, Mielke, and Benton are easy targets - they offer up plenty of fodder to keep the argument going. But they've also set their sights on Ann Rivers, and will definitely lose that battle.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 10:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Not sure about later, but right now it's 41.9 F. on my little WeatherChannel weather station, and not raining. Was earlier but stopped. Eastside CC rec'd less snow here than elsewhere in the county, and both hubby and daughter said roads were good for their commutes. It's only in the neighborhood side streets seem to be slushy according to them. What's the hex sign to ward off freezing rain? The appreciation dinner with the food bank we were to go to this evening is cancelled, so other than heading out later for a food run, the day is mine... the best kind of day!

Way late, but may be handy for any next times... Have a hummingbird feeder on garden window over kitchen sink. Ran out for 3 days straight trying to keep the liquid food from freezing. Saturday hubby sees all the ruckus I was going through and goes out and straps a Hottie to the bottom of the feeder w/ 2 pipe cleaners. Wah-lah! No more frozen hummingbird food. Who knew??!

jacjak — February 10, 2014 at 11:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal

You are right Roger about Ed Ruttledge. He has discredited himself with his constant hammering of the M&M;'s and Benton. I believe if the toilet stopped working he would some how blame the M&M;'s. A lot of this trouble with the prosecutors office should lay at the feet of Stewart more so than the M&M;'s. Evidently there is not much oversite of the prosecutors office by the commisoners either in the past or now. It looks like mistakes have cost the county a bundle and are not done yet.

timerick — February 10, 2014 at 11:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I'm... "beside themselves"!

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 10:26 a.m.

Snort!! ....

jacjak — February 10, 2014 at 11:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak: Oh, so good of your hubby to think of those little hungry birds! They are all over my exposed plants right now, poor things. I am so over snow. You'd never know I was raised with the stuff.

roger: I agree that Clark County problems, many of them, predate M and M. I just want the commissioners to do a better job of plugging the hole in the dyke and not exacerbate problems or create new ones. Too much to ask of any politician, I realize. I hope we learn more about the prosecutor's office. Maybe the four civil attorneys are leaving for reasons other than the commissioners.

nailingit: At the risk of waking a lurking and hateful dragon, let me pose this theory: Kndalai is just another pseudonym for KJ Hinton, aka Rufus Parsenagel, aka Kage McClued. I cannot imagine him hiding in the shadows here, observant and silent. No way.

We welcome all, anyway, and are thrilled to give him material suitable for publication. Just wish he wasn't so snake mean. SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS: ouch.

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Goldie -

We've had this discussion before. Note how kn_dalai argues his point (in the post immediately following yours) without finding it necessary to refer back to the people here. Whereas you say "Regarding the C’s dungeon…why waste your time? You knew those hits would come flying in like seagulls to a smelt run. They’ll say what they say because they believe they’re in safe territory. They know we cannot respond to them so of course, they whine…they bitch…they complain." I've no idea whether Lew was banished by Editor Lou, but your exile is self imposed. Your choice - no problem here. But I can't buy into your finding it necessary to snipe at those who've you disagreed with. There's a concept called Loyalty - And we didn't run you off, so I can't accept the need for this treatment from you. Sorry, old girl.

Lew - Yes, we agree on some things, and disagree on others. In response to your rhetorical, my only real beef with you is that every time you mention this forum, you define us by what Nails says. We've got a wide range of opinions here - much more than is present on your page. But I try to get to your site every week or so to catch up - you've got some good observations worth reading. And I'm very happy to see you taking Ann's side in that pissing contest that Benton seems to want to keep alive - She seems to be committed to the conservative populist movement, whereas Benton long ago sold his soul to the dollar. As for fleas and lying with the dogs, I'd like to think that a direct, two-way conversation will occasionally yield greater understanding on both sides. And Nails does have good taste in music and women, so there is always a common ground that can be reached.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 11:28 a.m.

I'm thinking you meant to plug the hole in the dike... with an 'i'.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 11:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

" only real beef with you is that every time you mention this forum, you define us by what Nails says."


I think one or your fleas might have made it over here.

Thanks roger. So much for your concepts! :)) (can someone remove this sharp object from my back?)

Before you suck up too much, remember, the CRC is about the only thing you and Lew have in common ideologically speaking.

My much can a soul be worth.....isn't there a song about that?

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 11:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Ed Ruttledge seems to think he's found a signature way of posting... Lists. And he makes items on the list come or go depending on the subject his posting to. While it may work on occasion, repetitive use makes them monotonous, not to mention uninformative - my opinion. Roger is correct... life is not a list, and what the prosecutor's office, or the sheriff's department does effects lives. Each life, individually. To lump all into a bin titled 'Madore' or 'Benton' (dang it, don't make me defend him after I've spent the morning reading some of his bills and his connection to ALEC) or whoever, is not copasetic, imo. Nor is it conducive to providing a point or opinion on any given subject. Broad brushes don't fare well for those who want answers to a variety of notable situations.... those that involve lives... ours, theirs, his, hers.

Something's up with the judicial system in Clark Co. It started years ago or just slowly eroded from where it should have been all along, and we've got the lawsuits to prove it.

jacjak — February 10, 2014 at noon ( | suggest removal

"nailingit: At the risk of waking a lurking and hateful dragon, let me pose this theory: Kndalai is just another pseudonym for KJ Hinton, aka Rufus Parsenagel, aka Kage McClued. I cannot imagine him hiding in the shadows here, observant and silent. No way."

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 11:28 a.m.

Quite possibly manthou. He stated just a short time ago, (when I called him out for errantly posting here) that he never posted anywhere else but here. And yet here we are discussing one of his many contradictions. Not the first time for knd.

He could be rufus. All the matching attributes are there.

Otherwise take comfort. This type of dragon never sleeps anyway.


...sounds Russian.

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 12:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 11:54 a.m.

No, Lew and I also agree that Vancouver City Council should not be dictating for the rest of the County and we both like Ann Rivers.

Sorry if you took that comment as a knife in the back - Again, my point is that he seems to zero in on you as the "Voice of the Forum", whereas I think we all pretty much speak for ourselves here. (Plenty of fleas to spread around this little den.)

If kn_dalai is in fact all those people, at least he comes here and defends his beliefs. We've tried to get various "movers and shakers" (real or imagined) to drop in.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 12:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak and timerick --

Thanks. Sometimes there are bigger issues to look at, and from his answers to me on facebook, ed refuses to accept that a potential problem in the County Prosecutor's office just might be more important than trying to blame Madore.

And this is one of those times it would be nice to have Alleycat around and discussing something in a calm manner. He seemed to have a lot of info on the inner workings of County.

I do believe young Paris was horrified that I was asking questions about this - I think she thought I was defending the guy. She reminded me twice that he's a convicted child rapist. I sort of recall we're paying $9 mil (to start) to a convicted rapist of his own young children - who wasn't.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 1:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 11:28 a.m.
nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.
roger — February 10, 2014 at 12:37 p.m.

I had a thought lately myself - and if I am wrong, I APOLOGIZE in advance to all and especially kn.
I was actually wondering if Kitty was kn. or Kn was Kitty. Kitty was so over board the last few months, it was almost a caricature of the old Alleycat. And Kn did do a great job a couple years ago as Kendollin running for office, using those speedsheets.

Again, deepest apologies to kn, kitty, and all, if I am way out there. Blame the weather.

luvithere — February 10, 2014 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Man!!! A guy goes to work and look what he (I) misses.

I'm "beside themselves" .

Yes Lew, I'd still like to see the letter, put up or shut up. I know you're reading this, you can't help yourself.

Hawkman — February 10, 2014 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Have you noticed that the Golik Bar complaint story did not stay up on the web's "front page" very long? You have to use the search feature to find it now.

John Harvey, the Bar complainant, made sure an email he wrote in response to this story was published on the FB comments. It is worth a read. Apparently, Paris Achen, decided to leave John Harvey's comments on the cutting room floor, so he made sure his side was known in the comments. But the entire story is harder to find now.

Not cool.

Her responses to you seem too defensive, as well. No matter what someone is convicted of, they are supposed to get equal treatment under the law.

Is the journalist biased in favor of Golik's side of the tale?

Read Harvey's email when you get the chance and get back to me with your impressions, if you wish. I'd love to bat this around a bit.

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal

In the interest of helping give equal time to the "other" pages, I'm posting Temple Lentz's parody of Liz Pike's sub-minimum wage proposal.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 4:21 p.m. --
Interesting. Hopefully that public record we're supposed to watch is on CVTV. Harvey is arguing a point that isn't entirely clear, but his question of why Wulle would order a record sealed before the hearing got to the other judge is a good one. And Paris gave a very evasive non-answer.

I'm thinking maybe - just perhaps - she gets a bit too emotionally involved with child abuse cases to be completely impartial in what she hears, processes, and reports. I know a witness from the Chris Eger case of a few months ago, and he told me there was a lot of evidence that supported Eger's claim his ex-wife had set him up, but this appeared to be brushed aside and ignored. I mentioned it on her article, but I don't recall getting a response.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou @ 4:21
roger @ 5:16

Why do you think Wulle was not mentioned in the lawsuit? Everyone else in the chain of command seems to be. When I read the story earlier, I noticed he release certain parts but kept the part pertaining to the deputy DA locked. Do judges have some sort of immunity? It seems they should, but something does not add up here... why would one Harvey brother have to file anything in the first place if there was reason to appeal for internal review, or whatever it's called, by the DA brother about his case? Certainly not a lawyer, but again, it's taking up loads of reader space in the comments, so there much be more to it than I have ability to puzzle through. Probably way off base because I am not following the dots, but did someone not agree with the findings during the first appeal so filed a lawsuit through a 'private citizen'? I'm thinking there is more than how it's being reported to the public, and I'm missing it.

jacjak — February 10, 2014 at 5:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Clark County is one of the few in the state that video tapes most court proceedings. Such a good thing. The videos are available, but you have to order them by date and hearing. This one was in Superior Court, if Judge Melnick presided.

It is a tough beat, reporting on courts, and it would be easy to get a skewed perspective. Prosecutors get placed in the automatic role of hero, but they are human and need lots of convictions to get good performance evaluations. It puts them in a conflict-of-interest. Many of them have aspirations for political careers and well, what can I say about that.

When prosecutors turn on each other, it gets really ugly, and they know all the tricks and maneuvers. I have said for some time that Golik's office is in crisis and needs a look-see.

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 5:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak: It is a WA State Bar complaint, not a lawsuit. For now, anyway.

Sowder said he was going to file a defamation suit against the CC prosecutor's office, if the perjury allegations mentioned in court by Harvey were not sealed.

I have this to say about defamation in this state: good luck. It ain't easy.

This is a big story and it was pulled from the C's front webpage quickly. I am beginning to sound like roger, :)

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 6:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Roger I just read Ms, Achen's response to you on the Golick case. Boy she can sure walk around the questions. It looks like Mr. Harvey has her pinned. This might get more interesting as more facts come out. I hope the Columbian and Ms. Achen can explain what they have already printed. And yes Manthou it is odd that this front page story got shoved to the back. What is the Columbia trying to hide?

timerick — February 10, 2014 at 6:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey, I almost forgot that Alan Harvey served a search warrant on defense attorney Gerry Wear this summer. Crazy stuff.

Here's what I think in a nutshell. Golik appears to have a rogue deputy prosecutor and he is trying to reign him in any way he can. Maybe he crossed a line, too, in attempting to do this. The ends do not justify any means. We'll see.

What other prosecutors make it big? The nice, cuddly ones? Nope. Chris Christie. Rudy Guliani. Those guys.

And reporters need to separate their disgust of defendants' crimes, which can really be horrendous, and also focus on the behavior of ALL officers of the court in a balanced way.

You can't make this stuff up. Clark County seems to attract a rogues gallery of characters top to bottom.

Better call Saul. Quick!

manthou — February 10, 2014 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I don't know - I just read the article again, and I'm pretty certain there's info in it that wasn't there this morning. But there's no notation to say the article was updated.

Per the article, Judge Melnick said he saw no misdoing on Sowder's part. His focus seemed to be on the irregularity of sealing the records.

As jacjak notes, it is pretty strange that the brother is filing with the Bar, instead of the aggrieved party.

Curiouser and curiouser.

roger — February 10, 2014 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Good find, manthou. It does appear Harvey had a tendency to do things on his own, without clearing these actions through his boss. I wonder why?

roger — February 10, 2014 at 8:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Roger, did you get this email?

Lew!!! if you're reading this, this is for YOU TOO! You NEED something productive to do.

Hawkman — February 10, 2014 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman they have these stand downs a couple times of year. We have them at the new reserve building on 4th Plain. They do very good things for vets. This is the first I have seen in Longview.

timerick — February 10, 2014 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — February 10, 2014 at 2:08 p.m.

You never know luvit. But I don't think rufusknd has the imagination to be alleycat.

Unless he was projecting another's life through his avatar to enhance the quality of his existence. Regardless of the possible need for this, this type of activity could weaken an already fragile framework regarding personal stability issues, and lend credence to your observations of aberrant "overboard" behavior as of late.

Any way you cut it-possible couch time.

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 9:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hey Lou-Lew-Tom-whoever has this tell-all e-mail...cough it up!

I can just hear this ClarkCountyConservative pleading with those in power for forgiveness, while excoriating those who broke his trust.

Shucks-Tom most likely didn't know any better. But those others...enough to make someone just throw in the towel all together.

Spreading gossip has a price.

Quit sulking Lew.


nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 9:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The exodus continues.

-Former Florida State Rep. Ana Rivas Logan Leaves GOP Over Immigration, Becomes A Democrat-

"The GOP of today is not the party I joined; it's not the party of my parents," Rivas Logan said in a statement. "It's a party that has been radicalized and held hostage by a group of extremists. It's a party that attacks women and minorities -- and one that asked me, and my former Hispanic Republican colleagues in the Florida legislature, to turn on their own people by supporting extreme anti-immigrant policies. It's a party I was no longer proud to be a part of."


"Her story is a powerful testament to just how far right the GOP has drifted and how many communities it has alienated — especially women and Hispanics," said DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Shultz. "Republicans promised to change their ways following the 2012 election, but instead have doubled down on the same far right policies that drive away voters and public servants like Ana. And particularly in Florida -- where, again and again, Republican leaders have taken a hard line against the state's most underserved people purely for political gain -- we are proud that Ana is standing up to say, enough is enough."

nailingit — February 10, 2014 at 9:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Cloak and Dagger at Clark County resumes:

Paris Achen apparently is receiving anonymous tips about something. Here is a recent tweet from her:

"To the unnamed source who sent me 29 messages through an anonymous email service, I'm missing #28. It's hard to follow up w/missing info."

I suggest taking a gander at reporters' Twitter accounts every so often. They usually do a good job of culling out the good stuff in 140 characters. It is an art that I envy.

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 7:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Could be someone auctioning off the 'Waterloo' transcript.

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 7:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Huh? My brain is still thawing out from the storm. Explains my spelling of late.

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 8:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Maybe better said; 'The WaterLew transcript'. The gossipy errant e-mail destined to provide the C with months of fodder leading into November.


nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 8:41 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: D'oh. Palm-to-forehead.

That letter will be disappointing when we finally get to read it, but it will reveal how nasty internal fighting is in the Repub party. Roach (what an appropriate surname) and Benton have their greasy prints all over that one.

Kinda like what is happening with the CC prosecutors eating each other's young right now. Better than a black comedy. Journalists have won the lottery.

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 9:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"That letter will be disappointing when we finally get to read it,..."

Only if parts have been redacted!

This bizarre little collective of 'conservatives' need to be outed. I'm of the opinion there are still a few reasonable voters on the right who don't pay a great deal of attention to how ridiculous their local org has become. The more exposure, the better choices reasonable folk can make.

The pimple is ready to pop!

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 9:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger- Take it easy on goldenoldie. She has another message for you.

I have to give her props for being the only one to say anything about stemming some of the severe insults and bigotry that continues on that blog. The latest being an admonition to rufus about a suicide quip. I've seen examples of racism that she applies herself to also. No one else keeps that crap in check over there but her.

Not sure why you imagine Lew envisions me/remarks when he criticizes the basement. Not that it matters, I'll wear that mantle. But for you to repeat your assertion after saying it the first time, I'm sure someone as well researched as yourself can provide a factual explanation. :) Honestly, I don't read his blog every week-so maybe you're right-but I sure can't recall his mentioning of me, let alone the type of association you implied.

Politically, I don't agree with goldenoldie all that much, but at least she calls out some of the trashy remarks on Lew's site, which brings a little integrity to this Tea Party gossipy blog.

As for your loyalty charge...after inspection, your bus has a hole in it's muffler.

All that said...goldenoldie-Your latest rant about paying for this website and constitutional rights, the United Nations etc. etc., is a little more than off base. :) Way-Way off the reservation. :))

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 10:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"The new test, which identifies a percentage of THC, takes about four hours and costs nearly $300, Dearmore said."

I don't understand the reported cost. Last month I took a cannabis sample to a lab here in town. They tested for the major cannabinoids and terpenes using a MS/GC. I had the results (emailed) the same afternoon - for a cost of $50.00.

Drift — February 11, 2014 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I personally will identify THC percentages for free.

Why just this morning...

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Front page news!

I know a few in here have expressed their opinions for the 'Don't Do Stupid Stuff' mugs. :) Never a better time for you to own one of these puppies!

Get em' while they're hot!

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 2:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So Governor Inslee has suspended the death penalty while he is in office. Good for him.

Such problems with this form of punishment. Doctors are refusing to participate in it because it violates the Hippocratic oath: First, do no harm. States are having difficulty getting the lethal drugs.

Some whackadoo legislators, unbelievable, are actually discussing bringing back hanging and firing squads. (Shhhhh. Don't give Benton any new ideas. He's looking for something to rehabilitate his rock-bottom image).

The Illinois governor abolished the death penalty after investigative reporter Ken Armstrong (one of the Seattle Times' best) published his expose on prosecutorial error and misconduct in The Chicago Tribune.

Cheering Inslee on for this.

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Which came first, the church goer or the business owner?

jacjak — February 11, 2014 at 4:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 10:59 a.m.,

1. I thought about it, and almost relented - there's some nastiness that's been tossed back and forth on both these forums. And then I thought some more. Goldie always professed to hold to a higher standard, and stuck to that here. Those comments from her the other day were way out of character. So, No - I'm still disappointed that she found it necessary to go that route.

2. Perhaps you ought to read Lew's website more often. It's good to broaden your horizons.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 5:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 3:14 p.m.

I've long been confounded by having one side of the spectrum oppose the death penalty but support abortion, and the other side hold the opposing views. Seems we all have to get around to killing someone. At least in my last profession they got to shoot back.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 5:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Tyler Graf's tweet today about the BOCC hearing:

"Comm. Madore walks up to dreadlocked man in front row: "Are you here for I502 (marijuana) discussion?" Can't tell if intuition or profiling."

Or just plain insensitive.

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: Fair enough. It does seem like a double standard.

But some people "on the left side of the spectrum" might actually be against both. :)

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 6:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 11, 2014 at 6:04 p.m.

Point granted.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 6:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

My Puerto Rican friends are in an uproar on facebook over Laura Ingraham calling Chief Justice SotoMayor an immigrant. Seems Ingraham was giving a speech at Yale Law School, and got into a discussion over the Chief Justice saying it was wrong to call someone illegal - that they should say "undocumented immigrant." Ingraham presents a decent enough argument over the role of an attorney with upholding the law, but then detours into saying SotoMayor apparently has more allegiance to her immigrant roots than to the Constitution.

Puerto Ricans are not immigrants - they're citizens, since somewhere around 1900.

I am a bit puzzled that I can't find this mentioned in any of the mainstream news sources.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 6:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal

2. Perhaps you ought to read Lew's website more often. It's good to broaden your horizons.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.

roger-Now you seem to be shilling for his blog site. I just don't know you anymore! :)

I suppose it's a question of interest and personal standards. Thank you so for your much welcomed admonition roger.

(I knew after Arnett complimented you on FB, you'd be hard to live with.) :))


nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 6:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal

“Law is not made by people voting. It’s made by Congress,” he said --

No, that wasn't Mike Briggs, Mayor Leavitt, or even Jim Moeller.

That was David Madore, in explaining why the County shouldn't oppose federal law and approve marijuana farms. Problem is, David is a champion of the people telling government what we want done. (I suspect our All Politics crowd will think of this, sooner or later, and run with it.)

Steve Stuart was equally lame. He's opposed because we're next to Oregon, and might undergo increased scrutiny for that reason. (How he rationalizes his way to this isn't addressed.)

roger — February 11, 2014 at 6:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 6:30 p.m. --

Kindly recall that I'm one of those fence straddling Independents that both political parties like to slam when taking a pause from beating each other up. I've been reading Lew's page for a long time - Same as I get and read Bernie Sanders' e-mail. (Maybe you'll recall a couple of years ago I commented on him taking on his brethren conservatives over allowing a Vietnamese soldier statue at our State's Vietnam memorial?)

Get yourself a facebook account and join in. I suspect you'll get some accolades, and then we can both sit around being obnoxiously insufferable (or maybe that should be said the other way around).

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal

OK, this is just too funny. GO on Lew's page talking about us.

"It was stated to me many a time when I would spar with the one we knew as alleycat as well as Fiscaltiger and the Humanist…that I should ignore the person and they would go away. Is it wrong for me to share the same sentiment to Lew? Even one who would consistently remind me of that suggestion still came back with condescending comments; typical of one who obviously shows complete lack of respect for a woman’s rights to express her own opinion. I guess turnabout isn’t fair play in the gender game now, is it!!!"

" I will not refrain from stating my opinion just because someone doesn’t like what they read." "And for Roger…if you care to share in discussion with me here on Lew’s site, then I will provide a response IF that’s okay with Lew. "

She really cracks me up. In one statement she's really standing up for herself and in the next she's asking permission to respond.

Hey GO, you are still entertaining, even though you're too good to post here.

Hawkman — February 11, 2014 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal

I really do like to laugh, and going through these comments is going to earn me a trip to the hospital to have my gut sewn back together.

Here’s what I think. Manthou, Hawkman, luvithere, jacjac and nailingit are all really Jim Moeller, who is, in reality, a cardboard cutout being remotely controlled by Al Sharpton, himself being a reincarnation of Abbie Hoffman, which could only have happened by some divinely inspired rift in the space-time continuum.

I tell ya…You People! Now, where’s that ambulance?!


“He stated just a short time ago, (when I called him out for errantly posting here) that he never posted anywhere else but here. And yet here we are discussing one of his many contradictions. – the misanthrope — February 10, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.

Maybe you ought to look up the term: ex post facto. And as roger has described the situation at February 10, 2014 at 10:54 a.m., maybe Ed Ruttledge should also. Maybe the disconnect of time frames is a trait of extremist Leftists? (maybe you ought to also go back and see just what that “errant” post was in reference to, which was not an err after all.)


roger — February 11, 2014 at 5:55 p.m. If one’s view is that – unborn children are innocent; convicted murderers are guilty – then there is no contradiction. (There are other things to also consider and ultimately, my own view turns on other reasons.)

kn_dalai — February 11, 2014 at 7:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

And now for the Democrats.

I received a letter in the mail today - the return address says President Barack Obama. (Jeepers, Nails, The Boss wants my input on something!!!)

The nonprofit org stamp sort of gave it away, so I flipped the letter over and saw it came from DSCC - whoever or whatever that may be.

I opened the letter, and read "Dear fellow Democrat" - Well, that's Strike 1.

Anyhow, the letter is a plea from Pres Obama - Seems he must have read that Wash Post poll I linked to the other day or something, because he points out that the Dems have to defend 21 seats in the Senate, and the nasty Repubs only have to take 6 to have the majority. And he notes that the party that wins the presidential election usually loses seats in the next midterm. But he wants my help!!!

I'm not sure I can recall getting a letter like this from the President of the United States before. It was pretty gloomy; disaster is staring us in the face. Seems seniors will be on the streets starving, children will go uneducated, and the middle class will die away if the Repubs win those seats. (Sounds like maintaining the status quo to me.) Fortunately, we're a tough people - hell, we stared down that Black, Muslim, immigrant, Socialist, whatever else, and survived, haven't we?

Oh yeah - send money. Small print says to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, and not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

Rats. It's not from The Pres after all. Recycle bin time.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal

“Law is not made by people voting. It’s made by Congress,” he said --

No, that wasn't Mike Briggs, Mayor Leavitt, or even Jim Moeller.

That was David Madore, in explaining why the County shouldn't oppose federal law and approve marijuana farms.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 6:45 p.m.

Does this vinticate those of us who've always suspected he's had his eye on greener pastures than little ole' Clark Co.?

jacjak — February 11, 2014 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

kn_dalai — February 11, 2014 at 7:25 p.m.,

Perhaps I could agree with that viewpoint, if our trial system wasn't so heavily contingent on which lawyer can spin the best story and sway the jury toward a decision, regardless of the evidence (or more commonly lack of evidence). And how many millions (tens of millions?) are we now shelling out because of our Sheriff's department and their desire to gain convictions?

I'm not completely opposed to the death penalty - I just want to be positive beyond any doubt before going that route.

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — February 11, 2014 at 7:45 p.m. -- "Does this vinticate those of us who've always suspected he's had his eye on greener pastures than little ole' Clark Co.?"

No. But I hope he washes his feet, because he has a bad habit of sticking both in his mouth.

That would be interesting, though. I believe Benton's term is up in 2016. Are you suggesting?

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.

Are you channeling my mailbox??? Periodically I get huge oversized envelopes from the RNC. Don't ask me how the hello I ended on their mailing list. being the flamin' pinko liberal freeloader protester I've always strived to be. Must have been those times I did not vote party, but voted the person or the issue. (How would anyone *ever* know?!) It contains a huge legal sized, multi-paged 'survey' with such incredible questions I'd have to assume they're composed by Rush, Sarah, and Glen, because the Republican friends I know seem just a bit more comprehensive and encompassing. Maybe I'm just blind because I *like* these friends very much.

And, there is always a solicitation for money, no matter who sends me mail, but the RNC has a box for $2500 to check if so inclined. Not used to seeing that, tho the low amont box is fairly modest, just as the DNC, the DSCC, Disabled Veterans, Doctors Without Borders, or Wikipedia, etc. Everybody wants money. They all like cold hard cash and not above using pity and begging and fear in order to get ye old wallet to yield up the goods.

jacjak — February 11, 2014 at 8:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

"...and then we can both sit around being obnoxiously insufferable..."

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7 p.m.

No need to join FB, we both do that now.


"I'm not sure I can recall getting a letter like this from the President of the United States before."

roger — February 11, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.

It's nice you point out how intimate President Obama can be. Spring of 2011, he was calling me several times a week. I've asked him to dial it back since then. Now, it's about once a month or so. Your personal letter is just the tip of the iceberg.

He always managed to call about the same time 'The Rockford Files' were on. It was annoying as hell.

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 8:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — February 11, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

If you have EVER written a letter or email to JHB, you are on the list. She has your address, phone number and everything else she needs to contact you and she passes it on to the RNC. She thinks that since you contacted her, you must be a Repub or you wouldn't have bothered.

On the flip side, I've been getting emails from the Pres and everyone that works for him. Like one a day. Too many for me, I told them to knock it off. We'll see.

Hawkman — February 11, 2014 at 9:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 11, 2014 at 8:32 p.m. ---

Agreed wholeheartedly. I've been a James Garner fan since watching Maverick as a kid, and Rockford Files was one of the TV shows my wife and I both enjoyed. Anyone who calls at that time should be put on the No Call List (one of the bigger jokes around).

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

RE: Benton's little e-mail tirade.

Read Peter Callaghan's column in today's Columbian - 'Legislating behind closed doors now all too common.' He's discussing House Bill 2369, introduced by a few conservative Repubs to include Brandon Vick, that is going to die in committee. The gist of the bill is to require open committee hearings on bills, to have a mandatory posting period to allow public review and comment, and a few other things geared toward the "open government" goal that crowd professes to believe in. Seems the majority of our legislators (on both sides) don't much care for this idea.

The Senate version of the bill, SB 6560, was sent to committee on Monday, and will also presumably disappear. Benton was a cosponsor.

Callaghan argues that the current practice of having so much legislation being determined behind closed committee doors could possibly violate our legislature's rules, and the State Constitution, which states the doors of each chamber "must be kept open, except when the public welfare shall require secrecy."

As much of an ass as Benton can be, if this is what he's carrying on about, I'm in agreement. Government carried on in secrecy is what leads to tyranny - doesn't matter who's in office or what their motives are.

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: I appreciate your pointing out Callaghan's column today (he and his wife comprise the Pacific NW's dynamic duo journalist pairings, IMHO: she is rehabilitating the Seattle Times very well in her new editor role). His opinions carry a lot of weight with me, for what that's worth…..

I remember Jim Moeller telling a group somewhere, sometime (cannot remember) that public records laws and public meetings laws don't touch our state legislators.

Maybe it is time to amend the state constitution?

manthou — February 12, 2014 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I like being able to watch or hear the legislative sausage-making in Clark County. Voters can then evaluate what they witness and make better-informed decisions.

It helps me and others, for example, determine what politicians like Madore report is accurate, or simply fluff and spin.

Ron Goodman makes this excellent point in response to Madore's assertions that the fee holidays are beneficial in the long term. Well, what happens when over 50% of new businesses are not operating 5 years from now:

Read Ron's good points here:

"And, Mr. Madore, since you want to wave (or waive) 5-year revenue streams at us and proclaim 'there, there kiddies, forget the Traffic Impact Fee bogeyman. Everything will be roses!" Consider this: "Five years after they were started, the Census Bureau finds that 45 percent of the new establishments and 43 percent of the new firms were still alive." In other words, cut your projections by 55-57% because five years down the pike, many of the new businesses will have shuttered their doors, but we will still be left holding the bag for Madore's folly - a bag with a hole in the bottom."

manthou — February 12, 2014 at 8:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger/manthou- I'm more than leery when I hear right wing (or any for that matter) politicians pushing for "transparency". Especially when the ones pushing for change understand nothing will get passed. Nothing more than a stump speech and leaving a "good" impression on the voters to say "we tried".

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:26 a.m.

roger- I highly doubt this latest Benton/Rivers fiasco has anything noble attached to it as you've speculated. Besides, it's not what Benton carries on about that is at issue, it's how he expresses it. The weird, childish and bullying manner reminiscent of a high school bully would express themselves. That in-your-female-face trashy tramp mouthed girl stuff which is beyond the pale.

To lack a moral compass is one thing. To lack the ability or desire to control ones self is another. His behavior is impossible to get through and compromises his ability to execute his job responsibilities effectively.

I now call upon Don Benton to tender his resignation from all of his government salaried jobs.

Yes. You read it correctly.
(this is big news-let's see if the C puts my quote on the carousel-hey-they put the DDSS mugs on there yesterday)

Waters didn't go into his gossipy, lengthy, self-serving lament over nothing. Although as manthou noted, this isn't the first time LW has sought to garner accolades and praise using this "I'm going to take my bat and ball and go home" whinefest, this time is a little different. The idea the C would publish this latest Rivers/Benton slugfest potentially costing republican votes this year, and all because this CCC blogger shared what his political representatives thought were confidential statements, with God knows who, (blind copy LOL) has him re-evaluating his worth as an influential voice in Vantucky's conservative movement.

As well it should.

nailingit — February 12, 2014 at 9:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I wonder if Lou is sitting on the Benton/Rivers/Waters e-mail till Saturday's 'Press Talk'.

If he has it at all.

This sought after e-mail is a decent barometer gauging the C's influence and investigative reporting if they obtain it.

Anything can be had for a price.


nailingit — February 12, 2014 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I respectfully asked Benton to resign and got one of his signature tirades in return, asserting his talent for the job, amid anger-laced rhetoric. Anita Largent's attorney is in possession of that damning gem now. I suggest you try it, too. I think he has been told to muzzle himself, though.

What would a citizen-centered public servant had done from the get-go? Refused the appointment in the first place because of the inevitable fallout, which does more public harm than good.

Benton's political career is on the skids and this will be his final term of office. Will CC be saddled with this bully windbag until he retires?

You might be right about the right-wing transparency law ruse. No action proposed by a politician is without some hidden agenda. Sad but true.

manthou — February 12, 2014 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

More cities need to do what New Orleans has, maybe, just maybe it would work it's way up into all offices of government.

NEW ORLEANS — A federal jury has convicted former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on charges that he accepted bribes, free trips and other gratuities from contractors in exchange for helping them secure millions of dollars in city work while he was in office.

The jury on Wednesday convicted Nagin of 20 of 21 counts against him.

jasonb — February 12, 2014 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This is amusing, legalize pot and prices go up. High prices will create more theft, burglary, well lets just call it what is.. more crime by those that can not afford the high prices.
Will it help get rid of the drug cartels like so many Dems think it will, not a chance a snow ball has in hell.

Here's How Much It Costs To Buy Weed In Colorado Now

The Huffington Post spoke with owners at many of the roughly 30 dispensaries that sold legal weed on New Year's Day, and they all said the same thing: an eighth of an ounce of marijuana, which would have normally sold for as low as $25, was fetching anywhere between $35 to $70, after taxes.

The proprietor of Denver-based Medicine Man revealed to The Denver Post that, after taxes, the shop was selling an eighth for about $64, and although The Associated Press found at least one shop selling the same amount for as much as $70, found that the average price right now is approximately $65.

jasonb — February 12, 2014 at 3 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jackjack, your response to jasonb's comment has not a thing to do with his (his?) allegation. Not the slightest.

jasonb, your link isn't remotely related to your claim either.

I will respond to jasonb's first paragraph, as everything else is la la.
From what I hear the going (black-market) rate for and 1/8 ounce of cannabis (in VanWa) is 40 bucks. In my mind 50 on the 'white-market' isn't terribly steep. There are several reasons.

One is, the purchaser has the convenience. That is, they don't have to call around to see what connection is holding product. It can be found over at the corner store.

Second, there's some assurance the product wasn't sprayed with a pesticide a week before harvest (bad for return business).

Another, copping from the highschool kid down the street, or paying another ten bucks from the legal store? I'd hope most would choose the latter option.

Further, selection. At the store several strains should be available. Heck, more than several. A person isn't stuck with whatever was harvested by the connection's grower last week.

And the list goes on.

"This is amusing, legalize pot and prices go up. High prices will create more theft, burglary, well lets just call it what is.. more crime by those that can not afford the high prices."
is simply a ludicrous statement.

Drift — February 12, 2014 at 5:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jasonb — February 12, 2014 at 3 p.m.

I know ounces; where I lived we didn't trade in those smaller amounts back in the 60's/70's. ANYHOW, one of the articles covering Colorado's opening day interviewed a local dealer who claimed he sold the same exact thing the stores were selling for around $400 for $230 (give or take). He was quite confident his business wasn't going to suffer. I figure the same will hold true here - I can't imagine those with the contacts who have been buying on the legal market all along are going to willingly pay a 75-100% markup just to say they're now legal.

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

One of the stronger arguments against the CRC in recent times. Nigel Jaquiss at WW providing details to further reveal the bogus claims of the CRC proponents. Port of Portland handles a far lower volume of goods than claimed, relatively few trucks going there use the I5, and the cost to seismically retrofit the current bridges is much lower that is currently being claimed.

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 12, 2014 at 10:03 a.m. ---

Patience, grasshopper.

Your Biblical verse of the day comes from Luke 8:17 -- "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

That Mexican dude Jesus was a pretty smart guy.

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Bacon prices have gone up considerably. I haven't noticed increased crime because of it.



Drift — February 12, 2014 at 5:26 p.m.

Great response. There are many factors to be weighed when the rubber meets the road. I'll enjoy the variety aspect quite a bit. As this industry evolves, it should bring investment in R&D.; I'm hoping for an increase of signature strains targeting different ailments, and access to a variety of edibles and cooking supplements will be cool. Is hash included under 502?

I was fortunate to have acquired a great connect when I first moved here, and your price numbers are about the same in my world, 140.00 for a half. After years of consuming Germany's and Holland's finest, I was concerned about a possible quality drop when moving here. Not to be! Most excellent and plentiful smoke availability has been my experience, and American prices come pretty close to Germany's and Holland's depending on the Euro rate. Overall a little higher in the Dam.

I appreciate your writes about growing targeted strains for your conditions. After my youngest leaves the nest I'll most likely delve into it. People such as yourself pioneer the way for others. Thank you for that.

Aside from your blog, ever considered writing a book about growing pot?

nailingit — February 12, 2014 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 12, 2014 at 10:14 a.m.

Benton's behavior is crazy. I think of the mindset it takes to behave like a Don Benton and it's hard to grasp. I wish our different parties held our elected to higher standards.

Local republican leadership should be more concerned with character than they are. I wouldn't want this guy living next door to me, let alone have him represent my interests. I'm sure many feel the same way.

Ann Rivers, from what I can tell, seems to be a consummate professional and accomplished politician. She shouldn't have to put up with this kind of crap.

nailingit — February 12, 2014 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Comcast will announce a deal to acquire Time Warner Cable in an all-stock deal worth more than $44 billion that will unite the biggest and second largest cable television operators in the country, according to people briefed on the matter.

Can you say Monopoly?

Hawkman — February 12, 2014 at 8:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

So, the County has decided to blow off the decision of a US District Court judge and says they'll refuse to pay Clyde Spencer his $9 million.

Chris Horne, the county's chief civil deputy prosecutor, said since Krause was found to have fabricated evidence, she was outside the scope of her duties as a county employee.


roger — February 12, 2014 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: We're looking at personality disorder with this guy. Lifelong. He also has gotten reinforced for his bad behavior by people who don't stand up to him. That is, until Ann Rivers came along.

I just got through listening to 2 loooong audio hours of the last BOCC Board time, today. It is excruciating, but every tax payer needs to listen to the back and forth on the TIF waiver issue. They don't know what they are doing with them, how to evaluate its efficacy or failure. Stuart tries to answer to Madore's constant rosy predictions, based on nothing but good wishes and fairy dust. They are gambling with your tax dollars and mine and they did so based on gut feeling, not evidence.

manthou — February 12, 2014 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 12, 2014 at 7:45 p.m. (talking about retail sales of cannabis)

In all honesty, it's too early yet to know if this 502 thing will be a success or a big flop. Heck, other than the fact any adult can indulge and/or tote around an ounce, there's really "nothing here to see..."

I don't know anyone knows what the retail prices will be yet. The tax thing has me a bit worried. I'm afraid it -will- make the retail pricing a bit exorbitant. But will folks rather pay the premium rather than go to the black-market? If the pricing isn't -too- outrageous, I think so.

You mentioned hash. Unless there's been a different interpretation since the last time I looked "concentrates" aren't legal under 502. Hash falls in that category. I think there was something about vegetable matter having to be present. Though, I suppose, one could argue trichomes are just that (shrug).

"Aside from your blog, ever considered writing a book about growing pot?"

I could pen a leaflet on the methods and methodology of growing solely under fluorescent lighting. The majority of it would be about pruning, training and light spectrums. That would take, maybe, four or five pages. I know squat about growing under HID lighting. I've never done it.

I think the opening sentence would be something like, "Relax: this isn't hard to do; I don't care what you've read or heard. ;^)

Drift — February 12, 2014 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — February 12, 2014 at 9:36 p.m. ---
"Relax: this isn't hard to do...."

Depends on whether you have a green thumb, I guess. Way back when, my Jamaican plants got maybe 6"-8" tall, sprouted a few leaves, and keeled over from the weight. My Oaxacan ones fared a little better - a few actually got to be about a foot tall. The leaves started turning yellow and falling off. My wife didn't allow me anywhere near her houseplants, and any that I've ever bought to prove a point (I can grow stuff too!) - died. I'll stick to outdoor plants - I've a little better luck there.

roger — February 13, 2014 at 5:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger @ 8:33 PM: Chris Horne is paid to represent the best interests of his clients, Clark County. He does not represent the citizens, who are on the hook for this growing and deserved award to Spencer, plus his increasing attorneys fees.

Steve Stuart said something in frustration yesterday at the BOCC hearing, and I paraphrase. You guys (M and M) pinch pennies on so many issues, yet you are giving away the farm on these TIFs. Someone has to stand up for the taxpayer. I hope someone does when I am gone.

'Course, Stuart voted to refuse to pay the settlement, along with M and M.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is regarded as the country's most "liberal." Its judges will uphold the CC jury's award, which grows by the hour and we are paying for it.

manthou — February 13, 2014 at 6:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: I read this and thought you'd like to see it.

Person's who subscribe to Newt's email list get a whole lotta silly. Seems like he is pandering to the underinformed. Big, big surprise:

manthou — February 13, 2014 at 6:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Posturing without proof. Celebrating without cause……"

Finally the Columbian has weighed in editorially on an issue that is draining the little guy's pocketbook:

manthou — February 13, 2014 at 6:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal


I think the blame could be pointed at our Law Enforcement division and not the judicial system. The judicial system looks at the evidence presented and makes a decision on that evidence.
Our Law enforcement folks are the ones at fault. Deliberately keeping evidence from the defense team, destroying evidence and lying and coercing witnesses....WE WILL have a new Sherriff come election time, LUCAS is done. He doesn't have the backing of the rank and file...Just as when he came in and cleaned house after Kanekoa our new Sherriff will have to do the same with the current staff. The county and the public can't afford to have anymore mishandled high profile cases. Our Law Enforcement folks have cost the county MILLIONS and we should be up in arms about how these cases were handled and the folks who mishandled them should be Fired. Including the Pros Atty and their teams. They deliberately withheld evidence for years until outside pressure demanded them to give up what they had, low and behold they had that evidence day1 and didn’t share.. Shame on them

vanwadreamer — February 13, 2014 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"I'll stick to outdoor plants - I've a little better luck there."

Cannabis can be grown outdoors, roger. ;^)

Drift — February 13, 2014 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal

This lawsuit thing is going to become quite the sticky wicket, eh?
I don't believe the county throwing the coppers under the bus is going to work. As a matter of fact, I think the Board's refusal to pay will uncover yet more uglyness.

Drift — February 13, 2014 at 10:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Drift — February 13, 2014 at 10:18 a.m.

I know - My buddy and I tried that route too, in the hills behind the Allenwood minimum security prison. We caught a deer eating our crop. She was damn lucky she was a doe and we didn't believe in killing them. (We were bow hunters and had no qualms about an out of season kill - we had an old guy named Fuzz who butchered for us in exchange for his share - no tag needed with him.)

roger — February 13, 2014 at 2:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Which Washington Repubs have their panties in a wad and are removing their names from the party's majority caucus?

manthou — February 13, 2014 at 3:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 13, 2014 at 3:42 p.m.,

I'd say Benton and the other 3 or 4 are trying to pull a Tea Party minority bloc power play like in the House back in DC. They don't begin to have the numbers or support here. I doubt they'll vote against the Majority on a bill of any significance - it would be political suicide.

I saw this linked at the bottom of your article. Looks like the odds of a state Transportation plan happening aren't looking that good.

roger — February 13, 2014 at 6:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal

The OR House Committee on Transportation and Economic Development voted to approve HB 4116 authorizing the CRC and to send it to the floor of the House. The vote was 6-4. The same group voted 10-0 for it last year - While our pro-CRC crowd is trying to see this as positive, it really shows the loss of support the project has in Oregon. Tina Kotek is going to be hard pressed to drum up a majority vote from the full House, and even if she does, Pete Courtney has been saying it's highly doubtful the Senate will approve the project. We'll see.

When I was on the facebook side, I saw a comment from Mike Briggs - campaigning for the 18th seat held by Vick. He had posted the attached letter, and was talking about how he would work toward the future rather than be an obstructionist like Vick (or words to that effect).

I asked Mike if he was aware he's running in what historically is the more conservative district, and where some of the strongest anti-CRC sentiment has been - I suggested he probably just handed his opponent a few votes.

Within 15 minutes he'd deleted his post (and consequently mine too - meaning he'd posted directly from his facebook page). I found the page, but my comment is gone.

However, I first just typed his name and found his regular page. He really needs a campaign manager - a banner of him in a bar and pretty toasted isn't the greatest advertisement. Neither is the conversation about penetration Noland Hoshino started.

roger — February 13, 2014 at 7:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger: I feel sorry for Mike Briggs. Whether he is motivated by courage or foolishness, he has an uphill battle. I read somewhere that he asked someone to be his campaign manager, but was refused. It might have come from Rufus P, so take that with a grain of salt.
Big picture: With the debt ceiling being raised this time in the House and Senate without a lot of brouhaha, the moderates are gaining power again.

Same thing is happening in the WA legislature: Teapublicans like Benton and Roach are self-marginalizing. Their tantrums are being ignored. Yawn. Will they self-extinguish when they realize no one cares? Unfortunately, they have strong lungs and it will take the voters to boot them out the door.

The CRC: I read some of the "testimony" presented to the OR House Transporation Committee. Stephanie Turlay's consisted of a long-winded threat to boycott tolls. :) I am sure she had Oregon politicians shaking with fear.

I had the opportunity to communicate with the legislative reps in my Oregon district this week. I can't vote, but I pay taxes. Anyway, remember how some Republicans would rather eat a nail sandwich than give President Obama a thumbs up? There are those in the Oregon legislature who may not love the CRC, but they hate WA obstructive senators like Benton more.

Some will be voting yea on the CRC as a way to slap Benton and WA on the butt. Remember: Curtis King was poised to approve the CRC funding with the condition that the Coast Guard green light the project. Then Benton stepped in. Oregon knows this back story and some legislators are not impressed. The WA senate majority is more willing to stand up to Benton now, but it is too late for the CRC.

Anyway, I'd pay to watch Stephanie Turlay's threatened toll protest. I really would. Godspeed, Steph. I mean that. I love the First Amendment.

manthou — February 14, 2014 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I just had this image.

A friend of mine raises cute little Norfolk terriers. We had one in our family for many years and they are spunky, loving, independent and cute as hell.

Anyway, she has to be alert when the dogs all are running on her property in a pack. She had one little girl step on a nettle thorn once and yelped in pain. The rest of the pack were on her like a chicken on a june bug, attacking her. Their instinct to eliminate the weak and wounded kicked in. BTW, my friend intervened quickly and rescued the poor pup from her brothers and sisters.

I see the same thing happening with the local Republican party right now. Benton's power has been significantly weakened by his own bad behavior and the negative press it has generated. He is a politician who is struggling to survive, and his pals know it. Some of his colleagues are interested in finishing him off themselves.

manthou — February 14, 2014 at 8:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Bay 11 to Alien Dog: Take off complete; landing compromised till 13:00.


"He who commits injustice is ever made more wretched than he who suffers it."


Tell that to Bubba's cellmate, Ped-Po-Po.

I don't care if the guy was a cop, no one deserves Spencer's nightmare. Where's the justice?

Move Krause & Davidson into lockup. Unless I missed it, I would think a civil suit would be in order.

Confuscius say; "Plato live in La La land."

[My captcha is "Love" with pics of hearts. I've never been one to gripe about captcha before, but this is too much. Just get rid of the damn thing. It's not a serious tool]

BTW-Happy Valentines Day to all.

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 14, 2014 at 8:21 a.m.

As in Benton's case, some puppies aren't worth saving. Chow time!

The Republican party is destroying itself from within. They are done as a national force. As I've said a few times, I think the party will dissolve itself in the next 3-7 years. What we are witnessing, both at the national and local level is fascinating to watch.


They'll go by way of the Whig's.

America will start leaning more and more into Socialism, in many ways mirroring Europe.

A few decades from now, Americans will be a happier people. And the world will be a better place for it.

Unfortunately that 'history repeats itself' thing might blow my theory out of the water.

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Don't ask me how the hello I ended on their mailing list. being the flamin' pinko liberal freeloader protester I've always strived to be."

jacjak — February 11, 2014 at 8:29 p.m.

Keep up the good fight!

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:09 a.m.
You forgot greed and stupidity as major factors playing a huge influence on behavior of humans. Therefore we will not be all happy in a few decades.

luvithere — February 14, 2014 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

"Therefore we will not be all happy in a few decades."

luvithere — February 14, 2014 at 11:21 a.m.

"Happier", not necessarily happy.

Hopefully less war, improved health care, and a system that monetarily rewards hard work over corporate greed. (that last one not so much leaning Europe:)

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:35 a.m.
I can drink to all that!

luvithere — February 14, 2014 at 11:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal

We've been on this path to socialism since 08 when Obama was elected. Whats happened has been the biggest discourse by our elected officials since the Civil war. He has created a bigger divide between races and religions. He has weakened our country in the face of those who want to harm us in many ways, not just by war....
A 2 party electorate is mandatory because without it we would have slipped even further into socialism bordering on communism with our current president in office. We need the checks and balance a two party system fosters. These next two years should be very interesting as we see Obama loose most of his charm to Minorities. All his broken promises to his minority constituents have distanced them form each other. This alone may lead the R to victory in the Senate come November. 8 years of "Hope & Change" that didn't happen. People wanted good change but Obama didn't have any clue how or what the changes were. His Lemmings just got on his bandwagon because he said were going to change.. Shovel ready million jobs my first year with good living wage jobs.. He just said things that people could say yeah lets do this, but how do we do it.. No one asked those questions. And he never presented the actual ideas either.
He has two years left to be remembered for more than a broken presidency with a broken Healthcare program he and the Dems pushed through on the backs of us, our kids and our grand kids to pay for. It's already taken a huge toll on millions of people negatively....Why are we subsidizing people who should be able to pay for there healthcare but with OC they now have the gov't paying some of it.. I also like how everyday the numbers come out saying we have so much signed up, problem is 40% of those signed up arn't paying a dime and on top of this we now have 3 million less without health insurance than before OC kicked in last October..
Less war or no wars would be great, improved less expensive healthcare would be great also.....We already have a system in place that rewards today's workers. Typically one gets paid the "going" wage for the job they are performing. If you don't have a job today you get Unemployment.. Why do we have so many people unemployed?? Great question...Maybe we don't have enough jobs, why is that... Our CEO hasn't figured this out yet, so how do I create more jobs for my peeps??? Obama has done very little to address this question. Yep we may very well look like a broken down Europe in 10 to 20 years... We need change now.....

vanwadreamer — February 14, 2014 at 1:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hopefully less war, improved health care, and a system that monetarily rewards hard work over corporate greed. (that last one not so much leaning Europe:)
nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:35 a.m.

Always hopeful, disgustingly pragnatic...a fairly accurate discription of the disparity I have with many perspectives... or should I say predictions?

That being said, this time I'll rain on this parade, and be sure to keep a rain barrel handy just in case. In a few decades it will not be so much about corporate greed as it will be about water and ariable land that will occupy us all. Privitizing fresh water resources has been an ongoing quest for a while, and has come completely out of the closet in the last decade. And water, along with other natural resources, have ever been a factor for war and invasion. It's just not been so much on the forefront with the innovation and development of storage and delivery, like reservoirs, dams, aqueducts, etc. Lowering regulations is not just about worker / product safety these days... and it ain't just Rick Warren who has a purpose driven life, I'm thinkin. It's about what can be owned privately and who gets to own it all first. Right now it's mostly government, both state and federal who regulate, fund development, protect, and own. But with water it's not just about polluting and depleting, it's also about diverting and controlling. Remember, Malaysia owns half of Singapore's fresh water supply and threatened to cut it off when Singapore criticizied Malaysia's government. And that was over 10 years ago. When we can go to dinner and have conversations about who's buying and trading fresh water and the lobbyists and the politicians, we may need to be moving fresh water way up the list of stuff to worry about, and that includes the major global aquifers. Only 3% of the world's water is fresh, and that's melting fast. Tho, now I think about this, technically even this is about corporate greed.

And, I didn't even mention global population.

On the other hand... it's 56 degrees and not raining, it's valentine's day, I have a kitchen date with a cute guy, and the wine is already breathing. FYI - 'kitchen date' is cooking a new recipe together. Tonight it's wanton wraps stuffed with Nutella and deep fryed then sprinkled w/ powdered sugar.

jacjak — February 14, 2014 at 4:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal

vanwadreamer — February 14, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.

You forgot to mention Benghazi.

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 5:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak — February 14, 2014 at 4:23 p.m.

Your Wantella's sound good. Cheeseburgers with root beer floats on this end.

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 5:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal

" If you don't have a job today you get Unemployment(1).. Why do we have so many people unemployed??(2) Great question...Maybe we don't have enough jobs, why is that... Our CEO hasn't figured this out yet, so how do I create more jobs for my peeps??? "

I've read a lot of stupid chit on the internet, but this rates near the top. (1) Unemployment-it's held out of your check-workers essentially buy insurance protecting themselves if laid off DUE TO LACK OF WORK. Get fired for screwing up? You won't get it.

I know this is one of those facts people ignore, but why aren't there more jobs? Fact is, there has been little government spending, unlike every other recession, to pull us out. Who is spearheading those policies? Baggers & Cruz come to mind. With the bagger mentality rampant in the Congress as they appeal to a shrinking base, waddu spect?

Your peeps? I'm going out on a limb here and assume you're talking of your employees, you know, the folks assuring you of making a profit-all fine and good. But tell me, unless there is an increased demand for your product or service, meaning customers with money, how in the world do you think you can hire more "peeps"? BTW, I was referred to as a "worker bee" by my last employer and quit the next month. Went on my own and haven't looked back since.

mrd — February 14, 2014 at 5:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal

roger — February 12, 2014 at 5:46 p.m.

Yeah right...where's Hoffa?

Tomorrow's the day. Did the C get their hands on the potentially damaging e-mail? If so, will Lou parse out portions of it, week after week, like a crippled Alabama tick at a blood drive? Will Benton & Rivers have another public display of affection, for 'the good of the party'?

Will Lew realize his years of blogging boil down to nothing more than one-long-winded-complaint? The one thing we can be sure of, the one constant, is that he'll allege Jaime Herrera Beutler dialed his home phone number in 2010-twice. Will Clark County Republican leaders Deb & Carolyn seek his support for their future political endeavors? Is this an opportunity for Hinton to capture the imagination, soothe and heal the 12 people who read his blog, and make a supported run for high office?

Hours away!

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 6:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit: Lou's new DDSS (let's nickname it D squared S squared) mug appears to have a new caricature added: David Madore hanging off the ledge by the seat of his pants, sporting that sunny signature grin.

Wonder if Madore can claim copyright infringement?

manthou — February 14, 2014 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 14, 2014 at 8:09 p.m.

That a good question!

I was just thinking about you as we're watching season 2 of 'House Of Cards', and wondering if you've started in on it yet.

The first episode is jaw dropping!

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal

mrd — February 14, 2014 at 5:59 p.m

I'm telling you, there are plenty of jobs. Just no people to do them. The kids are all going to college to learn whatever someone told them was "in" right now. Nobody is learning how to be welders, electricians, plumbers, mechanics, etc. Nobody wants to be "blue collar" workers anymore. They'll bring in Mexicans to do that.

Hawkman — February 14, 2014 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Hawkman — February 14, 2014 at 9:50 p.m.

"The kids are all going to college to learn whatever someone told them was "in" right now."

Some kids go off to college and major in stupid. As if they weren't stupid enough as a high school grad, mama sends them off to get a stupid degree. After they graduate with a stupid degree, stupid places like wireless phone services employ them as stupid assistant managers, who lie to you about the quality of stupid internet service providers.

Damn that guy at Best Buy.....

Math majors...(go figure)

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 10:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal


WHEW!! I was worried our President might be intensifying talks with Syria, visiting our troops, crafting policy, at least headlining another Democratic fundraiser...

It's a relief to know he's binge watching 13 episodes of a TV show.

-Barack Obama Will Watch 'House of Cards' on Valentine's Day-

He did not say whether or not Michelle was invited to binge-watch the 13 new episodes of the political drama with him, but the head of state did tweet that the first lady was "still the best Valentine."

Read more:

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 11:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit @ 8:26 PM: Oh, yeah. We watched the first episode of House of Cards last night. What a shocker scene, eh? We're still juggling that with the final season of Breaking Bad. Good shows.

Pleased that Lou B has encouraged Vancouver City Council to stop admiring the oil terminal problem ad nauseam in his own inimitable way.

We can be the Pacific Northwest's version of Hammond, Indiana: refineries, black smoke belching from sooty stacks, and rail cars getting signal dominance over autos and pedestrians.

My uncle was literally over one hour late for his own funeral there a few years ago because the hearse was stuck behind a series of trains that cut right through the downtown area. It is a family black joke, but I think of it now.

Someone tell me: where in Washington can I live where the residents value and use multi-modal forms of public transportation? Where politicians put environmental concerns over commerce? Where the citizens are informed, not emotional voters? I'm taking suggestions all day. :)

manthou — February 15, 2014 at 7:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal

By the way, I had a dream about Don Benton last night. It's a signal that CC politics have pushed their way too deep into my psyche.

It was a nightmare.

Hey, the Freeholders meeting will be broadcast live this morning at 9. CVTV Channel 12. There will be some statements made about the loss of their favorite staff member, Kelly Sills. It was going to be his job to write the charter they develop. Who in the world is left at CC to do the job?

Madore took some brutal swings at CC's HR Department on his FB page yesterday. If I were Francine Reis, I'd be the next to get the hell outta Dodge. She could have taken a bold stand against the Benton hire, but rolled over like a sick puppy. See where it got her? Madore was going to go after her department one way or the other and she could have gone down a heroine.

manthou — February 15, 2014 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Channel 23.

manthou — February 15, 2014 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Someone tell me: where in Washington can I live where the residents value and use multi-modal forms of public transportation? Where politicians put environmental concerns over commerce? Where the citizens are informed, not emotional voters? I'm taking suggestions all day. :)

manthou — February 15, 2014 at 7:21 a.m.

Seattle... central, capital, or queen anne districts all nice. Tho, without knowing, would guess bank robbery may be necessary to add to your skill set.

Deaming about Benton... that's bad. I dreamed about Palin during the 2008 drama-queen flameout. Was truely sorry to realize bubbleheads could actually find a mascot. My son read a couple books about dreams during his college days and still makes references now and again as to a related significance to our daily lives. Think of it as a pressure valve letting off steam. But, avoid going to sleep for a week or so, just in case...

jacjak — February 15, 2014 at 8:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak: King county is certainly Washington's bluest and smartest. The only person I know who maintains a home on Capitol Hill is a member of an old-moneyed family. Robbing banks, indeed. Or taking a page from Walter White's cookbook:)

manthou — February 15, 2014 at 8:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal

nailingit — February 14, 2014 at 6:29 p.m. -- Both the Kennedys and the Mafia dons were good Catholics; Jimmy was bound to lose that fight. His final resting place will have to remain a mystery, just like Area 51, D.B. Cooper, Sasquatch, who was Lee Harvey Oswald really working for, and so many more.

roger — February 15, 2014 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal

jacjak and manthou --- I read an article a short time back that said the Seattle scene is tanking. The artists, gay community, etc, that gave it its flavor are all moving to the suburbs - the wealthy have moved downtown, are building up the neighborhoods, and driving the others out by causing the price of housing to skyrocket. Come to think of it, there was an article on the internet a few years ago that said this is the same thing that happened to Portland. An in depth analysis of the rising housing costs downtown pushing people further and further to the suburbs - and the inability of public transportation to keep up with this movement.

roger — February 15, 2014 at 8:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Where the, Hello?, is Jim Moeller? His voice at these Freeholder meetings is disappointingly silent.

Also of concern: This group is really going to miss Kelly Sills. Who the, Hello?, is going to step in and advise these folks with any authority when he flies the coop for Portlandia?

manthou — February 15, 2014 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou - I thought I read somewhere that Sills was going to continue helping the freeholders get to the end of the process. Is that wrong?

I'm not sure what Moeller's agenda is. He's been more an observer than anything since the start. I haven't watched today, but from what I've seen the 3rd District has been carried by Jim Mains and Temple Lentz - the other three might as well not be there. A lot more participation from the other two districts, though I don't see Garry Lucas, Paul Dennis and (possibly) Tracy Wilson as being in tune with the rest of the crowd.

John Burke - the Libertarian candidate from District 2, has been saying from the very beginning that if this is run by the professional politicians it will fail. It's still too early to make that call, but it's also looking like he may have been correct.

roger — February 15, 2014 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal

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if they're counting from the beginning of my access to 30 days out, why am i not able to post for 1/2 a month...? at this point, i realized with what i was dealing, and didn't respond.

btw, i called a person WHO SHALL ETERNALLY BE UNNAMED, who wasn't exactly approving of lou's/ the c's capricious bases for banning various posters. there was some mention made of upward mobility being involved in the decision.

i wonder how many minutes/days i've got until i'm locked out yet again.

will i also be erased.......?

DeeLittle — February 15, 2014 at 11:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Dee: Reality is, newspapers are a business. If you like to access parts of The Columbian, pay for the product. If you don't like their free access rules or the way they count your views, well, it's their party. Pay the cover charge and enjoy the show with us or watch through the restrictive window.
The vote on the new CC Charter will be, essentially, a referendum on Madore. He has made it clear that he does not support adding 2 more commissioners and two more districts. He claims he cannot afford to do the job on a reduced salary (the same income pot will be divided by 5, not 3).

What will he do to stir up his base? He will claim that, if the new charter passes, he will have to step down. Hoo, boy!

His supporters will nod their bobble heads yes if he proclaimed that the grass in their yards is actually royal blue. They will try to defeat the charter because it does not meet with their leader's approval.

If the charter fails, it will be a good indication that Madore has a stranglehold on CC politics through a very large base of voter fans. If the new charter passes, Madore will use it as an excuse to find bigger pastures with bluer grass. :)

I recommend folks to watch all Freeholder meetings. You can catch up when you can, as they are long. I'd love to hear your perspectives. I did write Jim Moeller yesterday and asked him to share his views more. Even when he shows up, he is mute. Who are the most vocal? Pike, Silliman, Wilson, Mueller, Mains and Lentz. Probably in that order. Nan Henricksen, of course, as well, but she is the Chair and summarizes and probes more than anyone. Does a good job, too.

manthou — February 16, 2014 at 7:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I meant to ask y'all a question: What are your theories as to why Moeller has been so silent at the Freeholder meetings?

I suspect he is keeping his words to a minimum to reduce political fallout with his election ahead. If he doesn't say anything, he cannot be held accountable or it cannot be used against him.

Why did sitting legislators run for Freeholder if they don't have the time or guts to roll up their sleeves, get a little dirty, and participate?

manthou — February 16, 2014 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 16, 2014 at 8 a.m.

Honestly, I think "sitting legislators" should be banned from any other government position. They should be focused on their respective jobs and not have the opportunity to be distracted by another. Neither Moeller OR Benton should be employed, whether paid or not, by any government entity.

Hawkman — February 16, 2014 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal

manthou — February 16, 2014 at 7:54 a.m.,

I will probably vote against the new charter. I don't like that the positions will be partisan ones, because it reinforces the two party system and, at least 99% of the time, keeps other party or unaffiliated candidates from having a more level playing field. (Party funding will usually give their candidates an edge no matter what.) And I definitely don't agree with voting across district boundaries in the generals. That commissioner needs to represent his district, and be answerable to them.

roger — February 16, 2014 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal

roger and hawk: Interesting to note that Jim Moeller tweeted his opinion about CC districting and it does not agree with what the Freeholders in the majority are leaning. Where was his voice in all this when he had the chance? I agree: legislators should not be greedy about hogging the offices available, as their attention is spread much too thin and their effectiveness weakens.

As for a new charter, it appears that the Freeholders don't want to offer up too many changes, which is why they decided to keep the roles partisan. Many spoke in favor of nonpartisan, but, in the end, changed to partisan preference. For me, the most important change is adding 2 more voices to the mix (hoping that those voices are attached to functioning brains) and the addition of an appointed manager for better checks and balance. I'll take partisan or nonpartisan: just make it more difficult for two commissioners to do their own thing and to meddle with the day-to-day functioning of county employees. They need to do their jobs without commissioner interference (think Madore's micromanaging). I also hope that crony political appointments will become extremely difficult with the sharing of legislative powers.

Roger, Kelly Sills is gone for good. His first day in PDX is Tuesday. He will not be consulting with the Freeholders to the end. Marlia Jenkins was announced as taking over all his duties. She is the Program Development Manager at CC.

manthou — February 16, 2014 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal

Having read Dee's e-mail traffic in entirety, I noted Brenda Ratliff's statement that infers this $12 annual on-line rate for hard copy subscribers is only for the first year. If that's the case, then I'll cancel the hard copy when that time comes (next November, I think). And I'll lean heavily toward cancelling entirely and joining the ranks of the 30 view per month crowd - which, based on who comments, is probably the majority of their old readership.

As for "...there was some mention made of upward mobility being involved in the decision." when it comes to banning people, I doubt these decisions were made solely by the moderators. Several went down almost immediately under Matt, and nowadays several different people seem to be making the call. I think a lot has to do if someone gets their feelings hurt and decides to complain, but I'm also of the opinion that some people get more leeway than others.

roger — February 16, 2014 at 10:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal

I think a lot has to do if someone gets their feelings hurt and decides to complain, but I'm also of the opinion that some people get more leeway than others.

roger — February 16, 2014 at 10:57 a.m.

I was put on waivers by Mr. Hill. He said I needed a 6 month vacation because I was too mean to someone. Now, that could have been Lew or Madore. I wouldn't put it passed either one of them to complain. Both of them argued with me several times.

As for the 30 view system goes, it didn't work for me. 30 views means (I think) 30 pages. If it takes you three pages to get to where you're going, that's three down and 27 to go.

Hawkman — February 16, 2014 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Oh, it also could have been Mr. Stevens the Obama hater. I really don't like that guy.

Not that Obama has done the best job, I think he's really trying to make things better but he keeps getting sidetracked by other entities. Stevens blames EVERYTHING on him, including the CRC.

Hawkman — February 16, 2014 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal

ok, people, does THIS not sound like our Kitty wrote it? I have been laughing for a while now.

luvithere — February 16, 2014 at 3:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — February 16, 2014 at 3:05 p.m.

I'm not too sure. It kinda sounds like him but I think he'd be a little more eloquent. If he was going to write to Tim, he'd be more clever about it. That is unless he was REALLY pissed.

Hawkman — February 16, 2014 at 6:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal

luvithere — February 16, 2014 at 3:05 p.m.,

You may be right about that. Richard Stelloh owns his own business and rides a motorcycle. From his business page "I love to ride motorcycles, play on computers and go bowling. I also Love to throw tomato's at large nationwide banks and financial institutions. You might say my interests are eclectic!"

Sounds like the Cat to me.

roger — February 16, 2014 at 7:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal

Where did you find that, Roger?

Except for the bowling part, it's very cat.

luvithere — February 16, 2014 at 8:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal

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